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          IT'S 4:03 P.M.. I'M JUST CALLING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. WE HAVE ROBERT OWEN,
PRESIDENT SECRETARY, MARK DOUGLAS, JEN GRUNWALD, GENE HARRIS, OUR VICE CHAIR, AND MYSELF,
LINDA AIRD. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON, MR. PAUL PRINCE. AND PROBABLY JOINING US AT SOME POINT WILL BE CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF
LIAISON, CHARLES WEST. SO IS OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. 
          [3A. Routine reports from City Council Liaison(s).]
WE HAVE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT WE MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS FROM OUR OUR CITY COUNCIL
LIAISON, MR. PRINCE. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE JUST POPS INTO MY MIND IS THIS THURSDAY,
WE ARE WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TO FORMALLY RATIFY THE REQUESTED HIGHER NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR,
AND MR. WEST HAS FOUND AND IS WILLING TO HIRE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE. 
          PRETTY SOON WE'LL GET THE NEW DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PERSON IN PLACE. 
          AND AND THAT'S A WOMAN WHO HAS A PRETTY NICE LOOKING RESUME. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ALL. UNLESS, LINDA, YOU CAN THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT I NEED TO GO. 
          WELL, DID YOU GET A RESPONSE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED
REGARDING BONDING AND IMMUNITY FROM. NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN A RESPONSE ON THAT LIABILITY COVER. 
          YEAH, THE LIABILITY COVERAGE FOR US. YEAH. YEAH,
I DID TYPE THAT UP FOR YOU. 
          DID BUT I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          OKAY. IT'S IN THE MINUTES PAUL IF YOU NEED IT. 
          SO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 17TH,
2025 CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          [4A. Approval of Minutes of September 17, 2025 Charter Review Committee Meeting.]
AND ROBERT HAS DISTRIBUTED THEM TO ALL OF US AND EVEN PUT THEM ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD,
SHOWING OFF THAT HE'S BEEN ABLE TO GET ON AND USE THE DISCUSSION BOARD REALLY EASY. 
          SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THAT, TO THE MINUTES? OKAY THEN. DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND. OKAY. AND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. 
          OKAY I WOULD SAY OKAY. AND JEANNE SECONDED IT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. OKAY. SO WE HAVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL ON THAT. 
          AND SO NOW WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE CITY OF ROCKPORT,
TEXAS CHARTER, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAD AGREED TO ADJOURN THE 
          [4B. Discuss City of Aubrey, Texas' Charter’s terms and applicability to City of Lago Vista.]
MEETING TODAY AT 530. FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO THE MEETING SO THAT WE WANT TO BE SURE
THAT WE GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK AT LEAST I THINK THAT BASED ON THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN PROCEEDING AND BASED ON
THIS CHARTER, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME. SO WITH THAT,
TWO PAGES OF NOTES. 
          OKAY. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO START OUT WITH SECTION ONE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? CHANGES ON SECTION ONE. 
          MARK. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT 1.0 FOR CONTRACTION OF BOUNDARIES. 
          CHAPTER TWO. IF AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ANNEXATION,
THE NEWLY ANNEXED TERRITORY NOT RECEIVING THE STANDARD GOVERNMENTAL AND PROPRIETARY SERVICES OF THE CITY SPECIFIED BY STATE LAW,
THEN A MAJORITY OF THE QUALIFIED VOTERS RESIDING WITHIN ANNEXED TERRITORY MAY PETITION THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY TO ANNEX THE TERRITORY. 
          IS THAT STANLEY DOES THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THIS IS THE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. ROBERT. I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT I'VE NOTICED IT IN,
AND I, I WAS WONDERING, LIKE, WHAT? WHAT, YOU KNOW, COMPELLED THEM TO PUT THAT IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. BUT THEN I THOUGHT,
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT IS THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD PROPERTIES ANNEXED WITH THE INTENT TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          THEY BROUGHT CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANS TO US AND SAY,
WE WANT TO ANNEX FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          AND THEN AND THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND AND ACTUALLY ARE APPROACHING THIS TIME
PERIOD. 
          AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME VALUE IN IT. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I SAW THAT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          AND LIKE YOU, I THOUGHT, MAN, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE THEY PROBABLY BROUGHT SUIT OR,
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT NOT GETTING THEIR,
THEIR THEIR PROMISED SERVICES. 
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I WOULD JUST SAY, NUMBER ONE, WHEN THEY STARTED OFF CONTRACTION OF BOUNDARIES,
I SAID, WHAT A STUPID WAY OF SAYING THIS, THIS ANNEXATION. KEEP IT SIMPLE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          IS THIS ANNEXING. SECONDLY, I FELT OUR PARAGRAPH THAT JUST SIMPLY SAYS CITY COUNCIL MAY BY
ORDINANCE, THIS ANNEX PROVIDED THAT THE TERRITORY IS NOT NECESSARY OR SUSTAINABLE FOR CITY PURPOSES. 
          SIMPLE DOESN'T BIND YOU INTO A BUNCH OF LEGAL REFERENCES THAT MAY CHANGE. 
          AND I FELT THAT WHOLE THREE PARAGRAPHS IS UNNECESSARY GIVEN OUR ONE FLEXIBLE ONE. 
          AND I HAVE TO SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I EXIT IT OUT. 
          HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH MARK THAT IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          WELL, THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT LAWS TWO I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF IT,
BUT BASICALLY IT MAKES A PETITIONER EASIER TO DISMISS. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT'S SUBSEQUENT TO THE DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT,
WHICH IS MAY OF 2023. 
          AND THAT'S THAT THE SENATE. AND SO I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY POINT IN RESTATING THE
LAW. 
          NO. ALREADY GOVERNS I AGREE. ANYWAY, PUT IT IN OUR CHARTER AND THEN LOCKED INTO OUR
POTENTIALLY ARCANE PARTNERS. 
          JUST I WOULD MAKE AND THIS IS SOMETHING I KIND OF NOTED AS I WENT THROUGH IN THAT LITTLE
SUBSECTION TWO OR WHATEVER, WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE PETITION AND THEN IT SAYS IT'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH
AND THEN IT STIPULATES OR STATES THE GOVERNMENT CODE, ACTUAL SECTION IF THAT EVER CHANGES. 
          NOW YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE. AND THAT'S ONE THING I NOTED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. 
          THEY DID THAT REPEATEDLY. AND I LIKE I LIKE. GET RID OF AND JUST SAY STATE LAW. 
          I AGREE, I THINK IT'S A I DIDN'T I WASN'T CERTAIN OF THE STATE LAW. 
          SO IF THAT IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, THERE'S NO REASON. 
          AND I'M LIKE YOU THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CHARTER WHERE THEY'RE REFERENCING SPECIFIC STUFF AND
GETTING VERY DETAILED, THAT'S CONTRARY TO THE PHILOSOPHY THAT WE SAID,
KEEP IT SIMPLE, KEEP IT FLEXIBLE. 
          SO I DIDN'T TAKE MUCH OUT OF THIS CHARTER THAT I REALLY THOUGHT WAS VALUABLE,
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE HEADLINE. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY PROCEED. I THINK WE NEED YEAH,
WE WE SET OURSELVES THE TASK TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY THE THING THAT WAS MOST WELL,
THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT STOOD OUT THAT'S MOST INTERESTING TO ME, WHICH WAS GOING OUT OF ORDER. BUT THE FACT THAT HERE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMP PLAN
APPROVAL AND IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES IN THIS CHARTER THAT THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE MUST HAVE A JOINT,
AT LEAST ONE JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE COMP PLAN GOES. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S JUST
BEEN RECOMMENDED IN THE LAST WEEK. 
          THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED WITHIN THE LAST WEEK THAT WE HAVE A JOINT
MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IT JUST KIND OF STRUCK ME AS LIKE I HAD LIKE,
OH, I JUST READ ABOUT THAT. 
          WELL, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK. SELENA, DIDN'T THEY HAVE OUR LAST TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE COMP PLAN. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD ADDITION AND THIS
HAD IT TO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO GO INTO DETAIL. 
          BUT YES, THAT WAS ONE AREA THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE'S SOME SUBSTANCE HERE THAT MIGHT BE
WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT AND IN THE PNC SECTION, I'M JUMPING AHEAD. 
          THEY HAD SOME PRETTY DETAILED, ALMOST TOO DETAILED STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO PNC. 
          NOW THEY'RE COMPLETELY SILENT ON POA. COMPLETELY SILENT. 
          RIGHT. STANDARDS. RIGHT. BUT PNC HAS ITS OWN SECTION. 
          SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THERE THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WELL, THE COMP PLAN HAS THIS COMP PLAN LANGUAGE DOES HAVE SOME THINGS
IN IT THAT ARE DIRECTLY APPLICABLE TO ISSUES THAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT OR THAT HAVE ARISEN THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE'VE
ADDRESSED YET, BUT THAT HAVE ARISEN. SO I, I WENT BACK AFTER THIS HAS COME UP AND WENT BACK OVER IT AND,
AND LIKED IT EVEN MORE, KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER CHARTER THAT WE WENT THROUGH USED INHABITANTS THAT BECAUSE IT
STRUCK ME INTERESTING THAT THEY USE INHABITANTS IN THIS ONE AND HOW WE HAVE KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH,
YOU KNOW, REGISTERED VOTERS OR QUALIFIED VOTERS OR THIS AND,
AND RESIDENTS AND THIS ONE USES INHABITANTS. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT WAS A UNIQUE CHOICE,
AND THEY DIDN'T DECLARE THEMSELVES TO BE A HOME RULE CITY. 
          THEY DID. WHERE? I DIDN'T SEE IT. IT SAYS HOME RULE,
BUT MAYBE I READ IT RIGHT UNDER ARTICLE TWO. 
          POWERS OF CITY 11 2.01. 2.0. ALL RIGHT. MAYBE ONE. 
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RIGHT UNDER GENERAL POWERS OF THE CITY. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING FOR IT IN ONE,
BECAUSE THAT'S. 
          SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE A BETTER PLACE WHERE WE HAVE IT. YEAH. 
          YEAH. RIGHT UP TOP. OKAY. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. 
          OKAY, JEAN. JUST ONE OTHER THING. BECAUSE THIS THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CHARTER. 
          THIS IS A STUPID LITTLE THING. PERHAPS, BUT FOR MY BRAIN,
I JUST REALLY LIKE IT. 
          ARTICLE ONE. WHEN IT QUITS, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT DOESN'T START RIGHT BELOW IT. 
          YOU TURN THE PAGE. NOW YOU START A NEW SECTION. 
          AND WHEN IT QUITS, IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A PAGE,
IT STARTS UP, THE NEXT SECTION STARTS ON A NEW PAGE, AND THAT JUST MAKES IT REALLY EASY TO KEEP TRACK OF WHERE YOU ARE. 
          I JUST LIKE THAT. SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT. 
          PAGINATION. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. WELL, YEAH. IT'S LIKE,
YOU KNOW, ARTICLE TWO IS ON IT'S OWN PAGE. 
          ARTICLE THREE COVERS SEVERAL PAGES. BUT WHEN IT QUITS,
EVEN IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM UNDERNEATH, LIKE HERE WHERE YOU COULD START ARTICLE FOUR. 
          OKAY. START ARTICLE FOUR. BRAND NEW PAGE. I JUST LIKE THAT. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT? THAT IS DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY, OKAY. IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU NOTICED THAT,
BUT THAT'S ONLY IN THE LINED VERSION, WHICH IS NOT THE ACTUAL VERSION THAT PROMULGATED IN ROCKPORT. 
          BECAUSE THIS THE VERSION THAT I PICKED UP TO WORK ON IS NOT THE LINED ONE. 
          AND IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. WELL, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT OURS IS LIKE THAT IF IT HAS LINE
DOESN'T HAVE LINES. 
          THAT'S ALL. SO, LINDA, WHAT IS YOUR COMPLAINT WITH THE SUBSTANCE OR THE STRUCTURE OF THE
CHARTER? DO YOU HAVE ONE PET PEEVE? WELL, SINCE, YOU KNOW,
I HAVE ONE. 
          DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MY PET PEEVE IS? I DO,
OKAY, A PET PEEVE OF MINE AND ANY. 
          AND ANYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN ON ANYTHING IS IF THERE IS AN A,
THERE MUST BE A B. 
          IF THERE IS A ONE, THERE MUST BE A TWO. YOU CAN'T HAVE YOU CAN'T SAY THERE'S SOMETHING
LIKE SECTION THREE A IF THERE IS NO SECTION THREE B AND THIS IS REPLETE WITH HANGING OUT THERE, SECTION ONES WITH NO TWO. 
          SO ROBERT CORRECTLY CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED AND ANTICIPATED WHAT I WOULD. 
          YES. IS THAT A RESULT OF JUST THE PAGINATION? NO, NO, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. CHARTER. GO TO THE WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S THIS. LIKE THAT. SHE'S GOT HER HAND UP. 
          JEN, I LIKE ISO. I PULLED THE OTHER ONE, LINDA,
AND I LOOKED LIKE IT'S ME. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES THE SAME THING. I DON'T KNOW,
I NOTICED IT TO JUST DO THAT, BUT I LIKED IT. 
          MAYBE IT'S FROM GOING THROUGH. I LIKED WHERE IT DIVIDED UP INTO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY
ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WITH THE OTHER CHARTERS AND WITH AND,
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THREE NOW TOO. 
          SO. RIGHT. MAYBE IT'S BY VIRTUE OF THAT THAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR LIKE,
ESPECIALLY WITH COMMUNICATION WITH CITY STAFF. 
          RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A BIG THING. OH, IT COULD BE THE CITY MANAGER SECTION LIKE THEY A
LOT OF CHARTERS HAD A CITY MANAGER OR IT COULD BE IN A SEPARATE CITY ADMINISTRATION OR IT COULD BE IN THE CITY COUNCIL. I THOUGHT THIS KIND OF LIKE AT LEAST I KNOW IT'S AN ARTICLE
FOR, OR AT LEAST I KNOW FOR SURE IS IN ARTICLE THREE. 
          THE WAY THEY DIVIDED IT UP, I WOULD BE LIKE,
OH, IT COULD BE IN EITHER ONE OF THEM. 
          BUT FOR ME, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE ORGANIZATION OF IT TOO. 
          OKAY, SO IF WE WERE GOING TO GO ABOUT THIS IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION,
THEN GO BACK TO THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT SECTION TWO? SECTION TWO. YEAH. HANG ON. OH. SECTION TWO. OH,
RIGHT. 
          THAT'S VERY SHORT. OKAY. I, I THIS IS JUST A A NOTE FOR THEIR TERM LIMITS. NO PERSON SHALL SERVE MORE THAN TEN CONSECUTIVE YEARS. 
          THEY JUST LAY IT OUT THERE, AND THAT'S NICE TO HAVE. 
          IT'S REAL CLEAR. IT'S REAL SIMPLE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU. 
          YOU CAN HAVE TWO YEARS AS A MAYOR AND SIX YEARS AS IT'S JUST TEN YEARS,
CONSECUTIVE YEARS ON THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUDES THE MAYOR. MY DEFINITION. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE THREE OF THEM. THAT. OH, YEAH. 
          THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO. WELL,
I THOUGHT NOBODY ELSE DID. 
          AND I'M JUST ON FAST FORWARD. SORRY, I, I HAVE A THOUGHT IN THREE. 
          OKAY. ONE COUNCIL PERSON ELECTED FROM EACH OF FOUR WARDS. 
          SO WE ONLY HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THEY'RE ALL RESTRICTED TO WARDS. 
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I'M AMBIVALENT ON THE WARDS THING. BUT I, I FOR ME PERSONALLY,
I THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY COUNCILMEMBERS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TWO. TOO MANY. REALLY? OH, YEAH. 
          YEAH, I THINK I THINK THE COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE,
YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS OR SO HAVE DEVOLVED INTO SHOW AND TELL OR, YOU KNOW, PONTIFICATING. AND IT'S MORE OF APPEASE AN AUDIENCE,
BE A POPULIST RATHER THAN LEGITIMATE DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND IT SHOWS UP IN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR COUNCIL TO GET DONE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE PUBLIC PORTIONS GO FIVE,
SIX HOURS OR MORE. 
          I LOOKED AT ALL THREE OF THESE CITIES. THE MAXIMUM WAS TWO HOURS. 
          TWO HOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND ROCKPORT IS A $55 MILLION BUDGET. 
          YEAH. SO. OR MAYBE IT'S 65. I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT'S UP. 
          IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S WAY UP THERE. YEAH. I NEVER MADE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN EXTRA COUNCIL
PEOPLE AND THE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PONTIFICATE OR PLAY TO THE PUBLIC OR WHATEVER AS YOU ARE. 
          I NEVER MADE THAT CONNECTION. IT HAPPENS. YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY DO THEM. BUT I JUST NEVER ATTRIBUTED IT TO THE FACT THAT
MAYBE WE HAVE TOO MANY. 
          IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING CONNECTION. YEAH, I'VE BEEN THINKING THAT FOR ABOUT 5 OR 6
YEARS. 
          WHEN I FIRST JUMPED ON BOARD. COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE'S TOWN HALL VIRTUAL TOWN HALL. 
          AND WE WOULD LOOK AT PACKETS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW,
AND PART OF IT IS ALSO PACKETS. 
          THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE BETWEEN 60 AND 100 PAGES. 
          AND THEN THEY WERE SOME MORE AND SOME MORE. AND NOW WE HAVE PACKETS THAT WERE ABOUT 600
PAGES. 
          YEAH. WHICH IS I THINK THAT'S CRAZY FOR ONE MEETING. 
          YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW YOU GET BACK DOWN TO. 
          AND THOSE MEETINGS WERE RELATIVELY SHORT. THEY WERE TWO,
MAYBE THREE HOURS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THE GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE. 
          DO YOU THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL PEOPLE OR THE
PERSONALITIES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FILLING THE COUNCIL POSITIONS? GOOD QUESTION. IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF BOTH. 
          BUT THAT I NEVER MADE THAT CONNECTION. SO IT'S VERY IT'S A VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT FOR US
TO THINK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          ROBERT. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NO, NO,
I JUST I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE TIMES. 
          WHATEVER, HOWEVER MANY. YEAH. MY THOUGHTS ARE. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT,
WHICH IS GOOD TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK. 
          OKAY, MAYBE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME THERE. THERE. 
          RIGHT. INITIAL REACTION IS COMPARING OUR CURRENT COUNCIL TO CITY COUNCIL 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS WHEN YOU RUBBER STAMP EVERYTHING AND STAFF PRESENTS. 
          THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK NOW WE HAVE A COUNCIL THAT IS MORE ENGAGED IN DIGGING INTO
THE DETAILS AND ASKING QUESTIONS AND REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AS OPPOSED TO RUBBER STAMPING WHAT THE CITY MANAGER STAFF WANTS. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN THAT. TWO SEVEN HEADS IS BETTER THAN FIVE WHEN IT COMES TO
EYES ON SOFT TOPIC. DEBATE BACK AND FORTH, DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. 
          YES, IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE LENGTH OF MEETING,
BUT IT ALSO PRODUCES, I THINK, A BETTER OUTCOME BY HAVING A LARGER POOL OF DIVERSE OPINIONS ON A TOPIC, AS OPPOSED TO LET'S CUT IT DOWN TO FIVE IN THE SAKE OF MAKING
MEETINGS MOVE QUICKER. 
          AND THEN THREE SEVEN. VERSES FIVE SEVEN DISPERSES THE POWER,
SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WITH FIVE, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GET TWO ON YOUR SIDE AND YOU CAN SWAY THE POWER OF THE DECISION. 
          OR IF YOU HAVE SEVEN AND NOW YOU NEED THREE OTHERS OR FOUR TOTAL. 
          SO DISPERSING THE NUMBER OF THE AMOUNT OF POWER OF THE VOTE ACROSS MORE HEADS AGAIN,
I THINK WOULD PROBABLY LEND ITSELF TO BETTER OUTCOMES. THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHTS,
GIVEN I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE I THINK THOSE ARE DEFINITELY VALID. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS DURING A COUNCIL MEETING,
THE LENGTH OF TIME, AND I CALL IT MICROMANAGING WHAT THEY DO. BUT I THINK IT DISSUADES PEOPLE FOR,
FOR FROM ATTENDING LIVE. I DON'T ATTEND UNLESS I HAVE SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION. 
          I'M NOT SITTING HERE FOR 5 OR 6 HOURS, YOU KNOW. 
          SO IF I KNOW THE AGENDA, I MAY GO BACK TO A RECORDING AND,
YOU KNOW, JUST WATCH THE SECTION. 
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THAT IS IS SOMETHING I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, WHERE THAT AFFECTS ME. 
          AND IT COULD VERY WELL DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM RUNNING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE BEGGING PEOPLE TO RUN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. I THINK THAT'S
DEFINITELY A FACTOR. 
          OPPOSED NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT. I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY A FACTOR THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH
IS THERE ARE FEWER UNOPPOSED RACES, IS PROBABLY JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND WHEN SPEAKING OF CURRENT COUNCIL SEVEN
PEOPLE GIVES YOU NOT ONLY DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS, BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU DIVERSITY OF EXPERIENCES AND BACKGROUND. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, PAUL NORMAN, GREAT NUMBERS. 
          YOU'VE GOT OTHER COUNCILORS THAT JUST GIVE ME THE TOP LINE. 
          PAUL ROBERTS, GREAT WITH ORDINANCES AND UNDERSTANDING,
PLANNING AND ZONING STUFF AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE WEEDS OF THAT SHANE IN HIS TALENTS AND CONTACTS, BRINGS, YOU KNOW,
ANOTHER THING TO THE TABLE IN TERMS OF OUTREACH AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND WORKING WITH THE INCUMBENT ORGANIZATIONS. SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY,
WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE MORE BACKGROUNDS, YOU HAVE MORE DIVERSE EXPERIENCES,
AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN BRING DIFFERENT THINGS TO THE COUNCIL TO FILL IN GAPS THAT OTHERS MAY NOT HAVE IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE. 
          AND SO, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THAT PROBABLY WORKS TO A BETTER OUTCOME,
HAVING MORE DIVERSITY OF EXPERIENCE, IDEAS, BACKGROUNDS, INTERESTS AND TALENTS AS OPPOSED TO A SMALLER GROUP THAT COULD MORE
EASILY FALL INTO A GROUPTHINK. 
          COVID-19 JUST ANOTHER THING. WELL, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION
BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE HAD BEFORE. AND WE, YOU KNOW, THE MERITS OF SMALLER GROUPS OR LARGER GROUPS. 
          ARE WE DONE WITH THAT ONE? OH, YEAH. I GOT TO SAY,
I LIKE I LIKE THE WAY THEY HANDLED THEIR COMPENSATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN OURS IT TALKS ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR SHALL SERVE WITHOUT PAY. 
          OKAY. WELL, IF THAT CHANGES NOW, YOU GOTTA AMEND THE CHARTER AGAIN. 
          WHEREAS ON HERE THEY TALK ABOUT MAYOR SHALL BE OR THE COMPENSATION SHALL BE DETERMINED BY
COUNCIL BY ORDINANCE. 
          SO IF THEY EVER COMES YOU JUST PASS AN ORDINANCE AND NOW THERE'S PAY SO THAT IT'S EASIER I
THINK. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION THEY SAY RIGHT UP FRONT MAYOR PRO TEM THE MAYOR,
HE SHALL WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, SIGN ALL DOCUMENTS, ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS,
CONVEYANCE, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, JUST GETS IT OVER WITH RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. 
          THAT WAS ALL WELL. AND ALSO I UNDERLINED AS MAY BE IMPOSED UPON HIM USING THE WORD IMPOSE. 
          LIKE THIS IS NOT IT'S IT'S THEY MEAN IT THERE. 
          IT'S LIKE I DO HAVE ONE THING TO SAY AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS SECTION 3.04. 
          AND I'M GOING TO FAST FORWARD TO 3.3.13 AUTHENTICATION RECORDING CODIFICATION. 
          CITY SECRETARY SHALL AUTHENTICATE BY SIGNATURE AND SEAL ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          TO ME, THEY SEEM TO BE IN MAYBE SOME CONFLICT THERE. 
          YOU DON'T THINK? NO. BECAUSE HE'S SIGNING THEM. 
          HE'S EXECUTING THEM. SHE'S JUST AUTHENTICATING THE SIGNATURE. 
          SHE'S JUST SAYING, THIS IS A THIS IS AN OFFICIAL SIGNATURE,
AND IT'S AN OFFICIAL CITY DOCUMENT. 
          SHE'S KIND OF LIKE A NOTARY AT THAT. LIKE A. YEAH. 
          JUST VERIFY. YEAH. AND GOING BACK TO THE COMPENSATION PART GENE IN OUR 3.05,
IT DOES MAKE PROVISIONS. 
          THE COUNCIL AT SOME FUTURE DATE DETERMINED BY ORDINANCE AND COMPENSATION PACKAGE. 
          MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IT IS. 
          SO IT'S SO THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT. IT'S SIMILAR LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. THERE IS PROVISION IN OUR CHARTER THAT WE COULD PAY OFFICIALS AT SOME POINT IN THE
FUTURE. 
          I JUST MISSED THAT. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT I DON'T KNOW,
I THINK ROBERT WOULD MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT SAID THAT IT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY ORDINANCE. SO YOU HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE,
WHEREAS OURS IS LIKE IT'S PROVIDED THAT YOU CAN DO AN ORDINANCE. 
          SO MAYBE THERE'S LIKE AN OPTICS THING THERE,
LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BARRIER. 
          IT'S WORDED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT THE THE OUTCOME IS IF LAGO VISTA DECIDED TO PAY
THE MAYOR A STIPEND, THEY COULD DO IT BY ORDINANCE. THEY MAY DO SO. 
          IT DOESN'T. YEAH. BUT SO THE WORDING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          BUT THE PROVISIONS IS THERE. I THINK IF WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE ANYWAY VERSUS HAVING
AN ORDINANCE TO GET PAY, 
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IT WOULD BE IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE LIKE PUSH TOWARDS THAT COULD,
YOU KNOW, INCREASE PARTICIPATION. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, THE THING THAT THIS DOES IS BASICALLY SAY,
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT A PAY STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN'T DO UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL, I THINK OURS DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROHIBIT THAT. 
          SO THEY COULD MAKE IT EFFECT THAT WE GET PAID TODAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING OUT OF THAT PARAGRAPH,
THEN MAYBE THAT LAST LINE ABOUT. 
          IN TERMS ELECTED AT THE NEXT REGULAR ELECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT. 
          AND I LIKE JEAN'S POINT TWO THERE. 3.04, MUCH LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH OURS SAYS THE
MAYOR SHALL SIGN. 
          WE WEAKENED OURS BY SAYING THE MAYOR PRO TEM SHALL SIGN. 
          BUT IT STILL SHALL SUFFER. YEAH. AND OF COURSE,
NOW WE CAN GO BACK TO MAKING RECOMMENDATION OVERRIDES OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION IF WE JUST WANT TO. 
          WASN'T THERE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE WORD WOULD BE,
SHALL OR MUST? YES, WE YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AD NAUSEAM. 
          YEAH. I'M SURE. BUT NOW WE CAN GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CHARTER, WILL WE SETTLE ON WILLS? YEAH. I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE COULD TACK ON AT AT THE END HERE. 
          AND A FAILURE OF THE MARRY DO SO IS A FAILURE TO PERFORM HIS DUTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH. 
          BLAH BLAH BLAH. THAT WAY AT LEAST GOES TO A SECTION OF THE PROCEDURE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND
THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE ANY AMBIGUITY, FOR THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM,
POTENTIALLY, AND MAYBE TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF SHALL OR MUST OR WILL IF WE HAVE IT EXPLICITLY IN THERE. 
          ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER NOW WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY. I THINK BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT FAILURE TO
PERFORM A DUTY. 
          YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO SANCTION, AND IF YOU FAIL TO SIGN,
YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO SANCTION. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT IN THE PROHIBITIONS OR I DON'T,
I DON'T REMEMBER I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THIS CHARTER WHERE IT SAYS, IF YOU DON'T, IT MIGHT BE IN HERE. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER. 
          BUT IF YOU DON'T FULFILL SOME SPECIFIED DUTY AS A MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER,
YOU'RE OPEN TO SANCTION BECAUSE OURS, OUR CURRENT ONE, DOES HAVE WORDING IN THERE TO THAT EFFECT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THIS ONE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCES IN IT. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE OUR OLD VERSION. YEAH. AND OUR OLD VERSION. 
          WE ONLY CHANGED IT BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WE SITUATIONS IS THAT WE WANTED. 
          WELL, WE DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY SO FAR TO SPECIFY THIS IS A YEAH. 
          BE ELIMINATED. I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED DOING THAT. 
          MAYBE. BUT WHEN WE GO BACK AND REVISIT OUR FINAL DRAFT,
LET'S DO SOME CONSIDERATIONS. 
          IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IN THERE IN NUMEROUS IN SEVERAL SPOTS
AND CREATE EXTRA REMOVING IF IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO TACK IT ON, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS PARTICULAR
TRIAL. 
          I DON'T THINK IT IS. THEY'LL PROBABLY PUT IT IN WHEN THEY HAVE A SITUATION THAT ARISES. 
          SOMETHING DOESN'T GET SIGNED AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY, IN 3.11, I REALLY LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO FIVE AND SIX AND SEVEN. 
          OH, OKAY. GO AHEAD. I'M JUST REREADING SOMETHING BECAUSE I HIGHLIGHTED LINE 126. 
          I THINK MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS READING THAT AND I KIND OF WENT A LITTLE BIT. 
          OH, I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT WAS TALKS ABOUT. IF THE MAYOR IS REMOVED OR DIES,
WHATEVER, THE MAYOR PRO TEM BECOMES MAYOR. THEREBY VACATING THE COUNCIL PERSON'S COUNCIL POSITION. 
          THE MAYOR PRO TEM, WHO'S A COUNCIL MEMBER, THEY BECOME MAYOR. 
          WELL, DO THEY JUST REMAIN MAYOR WHEN THEY HAVE THE ELECTION TO FILL THE COUNCIL POSITION? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. 
          I GUESS THEY'RE MAYOR UNTIL THEY'RE. NORMAL. OH,
MAYOR MAYOR. 
          OVERALL ELECTION TIME COMES AROUND, I MEAN IT. 
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GO AHEAD. SO THE WAY I READ THAT IS IS. YES. IF THE MAYOR'S POSITION IS VACATED AND YOUR
PRO TEM, WE HAVE COUNCILMAN OUR PRO TEM, I THINK. IS HE FOR I FORGET WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT ANYWAY SO THE PRO TEM THEN BECOMES THE MAYOR AND IS SERVING THE REMAINDER OF THE
MAYOR'S TERM. 
          AND WHEN THEY GO OUT TO FILL THE VACANCY, THEY'RE FILLING THE PLACE FOR VACANCY IN THAT
EXAMPLE, NOT THE MAYOR'S VACANCY, BECAUSE THE MAYOR WAS FILLED BY THE PRO TEM. 
          RIGHT. SO IF THE MAYOR HAS TWO YEARS TO RUN AND A THREE YEAR TERM PRO TEM HAS ONE YEAR
REMAINING, WELL, THEN THE PRO TEM WOULD GO INTO THE MAYOR CYCLE AND HAS TO FINISH OUT THE TWO YEAR
MAYOR TERM. 
          AND THE ONE YEAR PRO TEM TERM WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S OPEN FOR APPOINTMENT OR ELECTION. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET. 
          MR. CHAIRWOMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE,
BUT I HAD I HAD A BIG OLD QUESTION MARK ON SECTION FOUR, TOO. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NEXT SENTENCE THERE TWO VACANCIES IN THE COUNCIL OTHER THAN
THE MAYOR, SHALL BE FILLED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE REMAINING MEMBERS FOR 12 MONTHS OR LESS. 
          I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS THE WHOLE SECTION. I MEAN,
THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND. RIGHT. COMMON SENSE CAN DICTATE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS PRESCRIPTIVE THAN IT
SHOULD BE. 
          JUST THAT SECTION AND A LITTLE BIT VAGUE. I THINK I THINK FOUR IS A LITTLE CLUMSY. 
          BECAUSE THEY ARE FILLING THE MAYOR WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM,
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO APPOINT A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL SEAT. 
          IF IT'S LESS THAN 12 MONTHS AND THEN, YOU KNOW,
THE FOLLOW UP IS IS IN THE EVENT OF A REMAINING TERM FOR MAYOR OR COUNCIL IS EQUAL TO OR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION. 
          WELL, I THINK THE THING TO REMEMBER AS WE GO THROUGH THIS IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT
WE WANT TO ADOPT FOR OURSELVES, AND WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO FOCUS TOO MUCH ON THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT AS WELL DONE AS THEY
COULD BE. 
          AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING SUGGESTIONS TO THEM. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF OF BUMPING THE MAYOR PRO TEM UP TO THE MAYOR? I THINK THAT MAY HAVE SOME VALIDITY. AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STRAIGHT APPOINTMENT,
YOU KNOW, PROCESS FOR. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE. 
          BUT THE MAYOR PRO TEM BUT I DON'T WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU IN OUR CHURCH. 
          WE IF THERE'S A VACANCY IN MY RECOLLECTION, IS WE JUST EITHER ELECT A MAYOR. 
          THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY ADOPTED. 
          IT'S MORE CEREMONIAL IN TERMS OF CONDUCTING MEETINGS. 
          PERHAPS I'M WRONG. AND SIGN ORDINANCES AND SIGN ORDINANCES. 
          AND THAT GOES TO. YES. BUT KEEP IN MIND, MAYOR PRO TEM ARE NOT ELECTED BY THE ELECTORATE. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL ITSELF. 
          AND SO I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE STANDING FOR MAYOR RATHER THAN
AUTOMATICALLY BUMPING UP PRO TEM, IT WAS APPOINTED BY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF A POSITION IS GOING TO GO TO A SPECIAL
ELECTION, THE MAYOR POSITION THAT IS VACANT SHOULD GO TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION,
NOT THE PRO TEM EM AND THEN PRO TEM IN THE MAYOR AND THEN HOLD A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE OPEN COUNCIL POSITION. I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S GAMES THAT COULD BE PLAYED,
IF YOU GO TO THREE YEAR STAGGERED TERMS IN TERMS OF A MAYOR THAT HAS JUST REELECTED AND STEPS DOWN AND SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO
FACE A REELECTION AND GETS IS TIM GETS SLOTTED IN TO BE MAYOR AND GETS A LONGER TERM AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          AND AND DOESN'T HAVE TO RUN IN A VULNERABLE SEAT OR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M BEING A CONSPIRACY THEORIST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IT,
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT OPENS UP GAMESMANSHIP. 
          WELL, YEAH. TO BE TO BE FAIR TO ROCKPORT IT DOES SPECIFY IF 12 MONTHS OR LESS THAN THE
MAYOR PRO TEM BECOMES THE MAYOR. 
          OKAY. IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, THEN THERE'S AN ELECTION. 
          YEAH. SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE HITCH THERE. 
          YEAH. AND IT'S WORDED VERY HIGH, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AND MAYBE HAS SOME
VALIDITY TO JUST SHIFT THAT MAYOR PRO TEM INTO THE MAYOR SLOT FOR LESS THAN 12 MONTHS. 
          IN 3.07. I THOUGHT THE IN SECTION THREE, THE CONSULT WITH THE CITY MANAGER SHALL CONSULT
WITH THE COUNCIL, 
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AND CITY MANAGER SHALL CONSULT WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE HIRING AND REMOVAL TO CONSULT
WITH IS KIND OF WEAK. 
          YOU'RE ON (307) 307-3073 AND FOUR TALKS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SHALL CONSULT WITH THE
COUNCIL BEFORE THE HIRING OF ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE PROMOTING, AND THE CITY MANAGER SHALL CONSULT WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE REMOVAL OF
DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          I JUST THOUGHT THAT CONSULT WITH IS JUST KIND OF WEAK. 
          SO BUT AGAIN IT JUST MEANS WE DON'T WANT TO ADOPT IT. 
          NOT THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE IT. 
          GENE. WHAT IS THIS? I I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE MOVING ON. 
          SO IN 311 I THINK ON LINE 203, IT SAYS THAT PROPOSED ORDINANCE SHALL BE READ AT TWO CITY
COUNCIL MEETINGS. I THINK OUR CHARTER SPECIFIES ONE READING AND I KNOW IT WOULD TAKE TAKES LONGER, BUT I KIND OF LIKE HAVING IT. I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF TWO,
BECAUSE IN THAT WAY, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO ONE EXAMPLE COULDN'T MAKE THE FIRST MEETING TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST AN ORDINANCE. 
          NOW, YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT GIVES YOU A THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN,
KIND OF LIKE HAVING SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS INSTEAD OF FIVE. YOU'VE GOT MORE EYES ON IT. 
          YOU HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU WANT. 
          AND THEN IF IT'S BEEN AMENDED, LIKE SAY ON THE SECOND READING,
WELL, NOW IT GOES BACK TO A FIRST READING. 
          AND I JUST LIKE THE PROCESS. IT JUST. SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE REALLY
GETTING WHAT IT IS THEY WANT. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR BECAUSE RIGHT NOW,
72 HOURS AHEAD OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, IT CAN BE ON THERE. DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST IT BEFORE IT HAS ITS FIRST
READING? AND THAT'S JUST TWO WEEKS LATER AFTER YOU'RE IN KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT IN 313. 
          SECTION TWO TALKS ABOUT ORDINANCES, AMENDMENTS. 
          THEY'LL BE POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR. 
          I DON'T THINK OUR CHARTER DOES THAT. IT SAYS SOMETHING,
BUT I LIKE THAT TOO. 
          IT PUTS IT OUT THERE WHERE IT'S IT'S REALLY EASY TO FIND. 
          WE DO HAVE OUR ORDINANCES POSTED HERE EVERY BY YEAR AND EVERY ORDINANCE AS THEY'VE BEEN
PASSED. 
          WE'RE BEHIND RIGHT NOW, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT BEHIND. 
          YEAH. BUT I AND MAYBE I MISSED IT AGAIN, BUT I DON'T I DIDN'T THINK I SAW ANYTHING THAT
SAYS WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING NEW IT WILL BE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. 
          NO, NO, FOR A YEAR. NOT IN SOME VOLUME ON THE SHELF,
YOU KNOW, TYPE OF THING OR WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO SEARCHING FOR IT ONLINE. 
          IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE ON THE WEBSITE FOR A YEAR. 
          I JUST LIKED THAT. I THINK TO YOUR POINT, LINDA,
THAT'S THE CURRENT PRACTICE OF THE CITY. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT'S CODIFIED IN OUR CHARTER. YEAH,
IT IS A PRACTICE TEAM THEY'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE WEBSITE FOREVER. 
          I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE THERE FOREVER, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS WHEN IT'S NEW,
IT'S. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THIS, BUT IT'S IN LIKE A SEPARATE SECTION,
PERHAPS ON THE WEB. 
          MAYBE I SHOULD GO AND LOOK AT IT ON THE ON THEIR WEBSITE. 
          NEW CITY ORDINANCES SINCE AND THEN A DATE, YOU KNOW,
SO THAT YOU KNOW THESE ARE THESE ARE NEW. 
          WELL THE WAY THE CITY WEBSITE SAYS 2025 ORDINANCES AND THEN THEY'RE LISTED IN JANUARY,
FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE. SO THAT SO IT'S I'M LOOKING AT HERE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ON THE CITY HOMEPAGE DO THE GOVERNMENT PULL DOWN. 
          YEAH. THERE IS A CODE OF ORDINANCES LINK. AND IF YOU GO TO THAT PAGE I JUST REMEMBER
SEEING THE 20 2524. 
          SO YES. YEAH WE'RE BEHIND RIGHT NOW. THAT'S 2020 ONE,
TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE ARE ALL LISTED. 
          EVERY SINGLE ONE FOR THOSE YEARS. YEAH. NO, I JUST HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S A PRACTICE. YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE CODIFIED
IN THE CHARTER. 
          ROBERT, I WAS JUST TO SAY OUR OUR CHARTER DOES REQUIRE THAT IT BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          IT DOESN'T SPECIFY FOR YOUR MINIMUM. IT JUST SAYS UNTIL IT'S CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCES. 
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YEAH I READ THAT. SO IT'S THERE IS PROVISION THERE TO MAKE SURE IT GOES ON THE WEBSITE
UNTIL IT'S IN THE ORDINANCES. 
          AND JUST KNOW WHAT YOUR REQUIREMENT OF A MINIMUM. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT ADDS. WELL, I THINK THAT INTERIM PERIOD IS WHERE WE WE'RE FALLING
DOWN BECAUSE OUR PROCEDURE IS ACTUALLY ONCE THEY'RE ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS PASSED,
IT IS POSTED UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, BUT THE DEPENDING IS NOT NECESSARILY POSTED FOR ALL TO SEE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT WAS REALLY WOULD BE I WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR US. 
          MARK. HOW FAR DOES THAT GO BACK 20 TO 21. SO NOTHING NOTHING PRIOR TO 2021 IS IS NO. 
          SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY. RESTATE WHAT WHAT LINDA WAS JUST SAYING. 
          SO THERE IS AN ONLINE CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE ORDINANCES FROM THE
PAST, PAST FIVE YEARS ARE ALREADY INCORPORATED IN THAT SOME OF THE MORE RECENT ONES HAVE NOT YET
BEEN INCORPORATED. 
          SO ANYTHING FROM BEFORE THAT CERTAINLY IS IN THE ONLINE CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS LIST LETS YOU SEE,
OH, THIS ONE CHANGED PRETTY RECENTLY. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT'S I THINK THE DISTINCTION MY MY QUESTION IS WELL THIS GOES INTO LIKE PART
D OF THIS. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY OF PURGING OLD ANTIQUATED OUT OF DATE ORDINANCES WHEN ONE THAT COMES TO
MIND IMMEDIATELY. 
          GOLF CARTS. YOU KNOW, FAIRLY RECENTLY THE COUNCIL PASSED THAT YOU HAVE TO BE,
YOU KNOW, 16 YEARS OLD TO A LICENSED DRIVER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE WAY TO GOLF COURSE ANYMORE,
BUT IT CHANGED. 
          AND THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO THAT,
THERE WAS ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT DICTATED THE USE OF GOLF CARTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          IS THAT STILL ON THE BOOKS WHEN THOSE ORDINANCES. 
          OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? I WAS GOING TO SAY WELL,
IT'S NOT ON THE BOOK, SO TO SPEAK, IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT GIVEN OUR WEBSITE DESIGN,
IT'S PROBABLY STILL OUT THERE. 
          NOW, IS THERE A MENU STRUCTURE IS NOT ALWAYS THERE TO POINT TO SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE ELECTION CANVASING,
WHEN WE DID THE ELECTION IN OUR HOUSES, THAT'S THERE'S NO MENU. YOU GO YOU DON'T GO TO A WEB PAGE. 
          SHOW ME YOUR ELECTION CANVASING. THAT WOULD GO BACK FOR YEARS. 
          BUT IF YOU SEARCH, THE DOCUMENTS ARE THERE. YOU JUST HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THEM. 
          AND THEN THE LIST COMES UP. OR GOOGLE THEM FOR THE LAGO VISTA,
TEXAS DOMAIN. 
          AND YOU CAN FIND THEM THAT WAY. SO THEY'RE NOT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING. 
          IT'S CUMBERSOME. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PURGED. 
          AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM PURGED. FOR EXAMPLE,
NORM AND I WERE RESEARCHING SOMETHING RECENTLY AND THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, WHAT DID THAT LOOK LIKE? IT WAS CHANGED IN 24,
BUT WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE IN 23? AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THE DOCUMENT AS IT EXISTED IN 23 BECAUSE IT HAD NOT BEEN. 
          OKAY. BUT IT, IT WAS NOT A WEB PAGE MENU THAT YOU COULD CLICK THROUGH TO FIND IT. 
          YOU HAD TO ACTUALLY USE THE SEARCH BAR. SO YOU HAVE BUT WHAT ONE OF THE,
ONE OF THE WHEN YOU USE THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, MARK, FOR THAT TYPE OF THING FOR FOR THINGS THAT CHANGE THE ACTUAL CODE. 
          THE CODE IS ACTUALLY CHANGED. AND SO THE CODE WHEN YOU READ IT IS UPDATED WITH THE CHANGE. 
          IT ALSO THOUGH SAYS IN THE CODE IT WILL IT WILL SPECIFY THE PRIOR DATES OF THE CODE THAT
IT'S BEEN CHANGED. 
          SO YOU CAN LOOK AT. SO LET'S SAY THAT WILL HAVE A 25 DATE,
BUT IT'LL ALSO HAVE A IT'LL SAY SOMETHING LIKE AMENDING THE THE ORDINANCE OF, YOU KNOW, 2022 OR WHATEVER. AND SO THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THERE AND PULL THAT
ONE OUT SO THAT THERE IS THAT TRAIL IN THE, IN THE CODE RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. AND JEAN, YOU ALREADY MENTIONED AT 11.13 THAT YOU REALLY LIKED. 
          THE ORDINANCE'S AMENDMENTS WERE GOING TO BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP? I THINK YOU. 
          I DON'T WANT TO SKIP OVER THAT. I THINK YOU WELL,
I THINK I'M GOOD ON THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M JUST GOING TO DO SOME STUFF ON MY OWN INSTEAD OF
PROLONGING THIS ABOUT DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAT DOESN'T I DON'T THINK NEEDS TO BE HAD WITH ANOTHER QUESTION. I HAVE SOMETHING I CAN ANSWER. 
          OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO SECTION OR ARTICLE FOUR? 
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OKAY. LET'S MOVE TO ARTICLE FOUR. ANY ANY COMMENTS ON THE FIRST SECTION? ARTICLE 4.01 CITY MANAGER. SECTION THREE THERE'S THERE'S IS AT WILL AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO HAVE IT. 
          AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHICH ONE I REALLY PREFER. 
          I KNOW OUR CITY MANAGER PREFERS A CONTRACT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THEN IT MAKES IT HARDER TO GET RID OF CITY MANAGER. 
          IF YOU. IF YOU DECIDE THIS ISN'T REALLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING. 
          BUT I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THAT BECAUSE I THINK,
OKAY, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THIS ON ANOTHER CITY CHARTER, CHARLES WAS HERE. YES. AND HE KIND OF MADE THE COMMENT THAT,
WELL, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK GETTING A CITY MANAGER WITHOUT A CONTRACT,
RIGHT. 
          SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS INTERESTING THAT IT SAYS NOT A CONTRACT,
BECAUSE THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, THEN APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME, SOME PEOPLE WHO WORK WITHOUT A CONTRACT BECAUSE
THAT'S HOW THEIR, THEIR CHARTER READS MAYBE. YEAH. WELL OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND FOR WHERE SHOULD THE CITY MANAGER SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO TO ME THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS
SAYING THE CITY MANAGER MUST. 
          AND SO WHEN IT SAYS, THE CITY MANAGER SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO SEE THAT ALL STATE LAWS AND
CITY ORDINANCES ARE EFFECTIVELY ENFORCED, THEY MAY HAVE THE POWER TO SEE TO IT, BUT I PREFER THAT THAT THEY MUST SEE TO IT. 
          AND ACTUALLY THEY MUST DO IT. THEY MUST. SO I THOUGHT I DIDN'T LIKE THE I THOUGHT IT WAS
VERY WEAK. 
          AND I LIKE I LIKE OURS MUCH MORE. STRONGER STATEMENT. 
          I DO HAVE A NOTE ON 300 LINE 307. KEEP THE CITY COUNCIL FULLY ADVISED,
AT LEAST QUARTERLY, AS TO THE FINANCIAL CONDITION AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THE CITY. 
          HOW OFTEN DOES THE CITY MANAGER HAVE TO DO THAT WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT IT? JUST ONCE A YEAR. I THINK NOW THEY JUST DO IT WHENEVER THEY'RE ASKED. 
          YEAH. THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A DEFINED TIME. 
          BUT WE HAVE IN IN CITY COUNCIL EVERY SESSION THERE IS A STANDING AGENDA FOR STAFF UPDATES, WHERE THE CITY MANAGER CAN BASICALLY BRING UP ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO. 
          AND THEN WE WE HAVE HISTORICALLY, OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF SEVERAL YEARS,
HAD A WORK PLAN THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD COMMENT AND PROVIDE UPDATES ON ON ROUGHLY A QUARTERLY BASIS. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING SPECIFIC AROUND BUDGET. 
          OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE YOU CAN CUT OFF AT THE PASS BEFORE
SOMETHING GETS TOO FAR OFF THE RAILS. 
          IT'S SOMETHING. IT'S AN OVERRIDE. I HIGHLIGHTED THAT. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK I THINK DOING THAT IN COORDINATION WITH THE WORK PLAN,
BECAUSE THE WORK PLAN UPDATE THAT IS CODIFIED SOMEWHERE, THERE HAS TO BE THAT THAT OFFICIAL FORMAL CITY MANAGER WORK PLAN UPDATE AND TO PUT IT IN
THE FINANCIAL UPDATE WITH THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA. BUT THAT THAT UPDATE OF THAT PLAN ISN'T IN THE CHARTER. 
          IT'S I THINK IT'S IN SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE. 
          BUT IT'S DONE. BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO ADD IF IT'S NOT IN THERE BECAUSE THE CITY
MANAGER DOES DO A FORMAL, YOU KNOW, THEY ISSUE A REPORT. IT'S A FORMAL UPDATE OF THE OF THE PLAN. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S QUARTERLY, THOUGH. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE SEMIANNUALLY. 
          OR WHEN TRACY WAS DOING IT, SHE WAS DOING IT ABOUT QUARTERLY. 
          SHE WAS. YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE, SINCE TRACY WAS NO LONGER CITY MANAGER HAS DONE
SO. 
          YEAH. AND THAT'S YEAH THAT'S GOOD CHATTER HOW YOU KNOW MARK CAN I ASK YOU YOU REFERRED TO
A LINE PAGE NUMBER. 
          THE VERSION I'M LOOKING AT APPARENTLY IS AN OLDER ONE. 
          MAYBE THEY GOT DISTRIBUTED. DOESN'T HAVE LINE NUMBERS. SO THAT WAS THE SECTION 4.04.01
SECTION SUBSECTION FOUR AND LETTER H. THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU DO HERE CHAD OR I DO ANYWAY. ONLINE ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET. 
          NOT REALLY. OH YOU DO? YEAH. VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          TRANSPARENT. OH. YOU DO? OKAY. SO, SEE, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT AWARE OF AT ALL. 
          LIKE, IT'S A SMALL BUT VOCAL. PUT IT THAT WAY. 
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OKAY. ROBERT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR LIAISON,
THE CRC DISCUSSION BOARD. 
          YEAH. SAMPLE CHARTERS, DISCUSSION. THE ROCKPORT CHARTER WITH LINE NUMBERS,
AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG. 
          THANK YOU. I JUST WENT BACK TO AN EMAIL THAT LINDA HAD DISTRIBUTED AND I THREW IT OUT ON
THE DISCUSSION BOARD. 
          SO IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN,
RELYING ON ME FOR. 
          EVEN THE WHEN I WERE WORKING WITH. IT'S NOT LIKE OH NO. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I NEVER EVEN NOTICED IT. WELL,
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO USE LINE. 
          I MEAN, I JUST I KNOW AND I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH A LOT,
AND I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT LINES, BUT IT DIDN'T EVEN. YEAH. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE ON THE SECTION WITH CITY SECRETARY. 
          I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S. 
          YEAH. CITY SECRETARY, LINE 315. AND THEN ALSO IN LINE 354,
SAME THING. 
          THEIRS IS EXACTLY FLIPPED FROM OURS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD OR INDIFFERENT. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          WHEREAS IN HOURS IT SAYS THE CITY MANAGER, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL. 
          THEY'VE FLIPPED THE TWO POSITIONS AND I'M JUST,
WELL, DOES IT MATTER? I DON'T KNOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INSIGHT THAT YOU CAN ADD TO THAT? MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT MUST MATTER BECAUSE OURS IS ONE WAY AND THEIRS IS ANOTHER
WAY. 
          WHICH ONES IS ONE WAY BETTER? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT TO ME,
THAT WHAT I READ IN THE ROCKPORT CHARTER HERE IMPLIES THAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING THE WORK TO FIND AND HIRE THE CITY SECRETARY. 
          THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I GOT. AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A CITY MANAGER DOING THE WORK TO
FIND AND HIRE. 
          YEAH. AND THEN WHOEVER'S THE OTHER PARTY. SEEMS LIKE THE MANAGER SHOULD BE DOING THAT
LEGWORK, NOT COUNCIL. I MEAN, THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO DECIDE. 
          BUT THAT'S THE WAY I READ THIS. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I CAME UP WITH,
BUT I WANTED TO HEAR SOMEBODY ELSE SAY IT. 
          I AGREE, IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT PUTS THE ONUS ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO THE RECRUITING,
AS OPPOSED TO JUST APPROVAL AS OURS IS WRITTEN. OKAY, THAT WAS ALL I HAD. OKAY. 
          SO THEN DO WE HAVE SECTION ON MUNICIPAL COURT WHICH IS APPLICABLE FOR US FOR OUR COUNSEL. 
          TOMORROW. CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED JUDGE. BECAUSE THEY'RE APPOINTING AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE
TOMORROW. 
          AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT. I THINK,
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, STRUCTURALLY BREAKING UP THE SENTENCES IN THE PARAGRAPH IN SECTION MEMBERS. I THINK JEAN POINTED THIS OUT IN ONE OF THE ONES BEFORE,
WHERE OURS IS JUST A FULL RUN ON PARAGRAPH. 
          IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE READABLE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK THIS IS MUCH MORE
READABLE. 
          YEAH, JUST BREAK IT UP INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE PARAGRAPH THAT COVERS THE WHOLE PAGE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE AWAY IN OUR FINAL DRAFT. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION,
BUT ALL SECTIONS. 
          IN GENERAL, WHEN WE SEE LONG PARAGRAPHS IN OUR CHARTER,
WE WANT TO BREAK THEM DOWN. 
          YEAH. ARE YOU MAKING THOSE NOTES ROBERT. I'M TRYING. 
          YES. I THOUGHT SO. 
          I HIGHLIGHTED JUST TWO THINGS UNDER CITY ATTORNEY. 
          CITY ATTORNEY, WITH APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL,
MAY SELECT ADDITIONAL ATTORNEYS. 
          IT LAYS IT OUT IN THE CHARTER, AND I COULDN'T I DIDN'T FIND IT. 
          MAYBE I MISSED IT AGAIN, BUT I DON'T THINK OUR CHARTER REALLY ADDRESSES THAT. 
          MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S. THIS IT'S VERY CLEAR THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          I CAN'T BE THERE. I'M GOING TO HAVE JOE SHOW UP OR MARY SUE. 
          AND THEN THEY ALSO SPELL OUT THE TERM CITY ATTORNEY MAY REFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR FIRM. 
          YEAH. SO AND. I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND I'VE SEEN THE CONTRACTS THAT THE CITY
ACTUALLY WE HIRE WE HIRE LAW FIRMS EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE WE ARE WHEN WE ARE INTERVIEWING OR WHEN THE
COUNCIL IS APPOINTING THEM. 
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THEY'RE ACTUALLY THEY DO HAVE THE ATTORNEY THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR ATTORNEY HERE MAKING THE
PRESENTATION. 
          SO IN EFFECT, THE CITY COUNCIL IS CHOOSING A PARTICULAR LAWYER OUT OF THE FIRM TO BE THE
CITY ATTORNEY, EVEN THOUGH THE CONTRACT IS WITH THE LAW FIRM. 
          DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? AND THIS THIS CHARTER WHICH GIVES THE COUNCIL THE REQUIREMENT TO APPOINT A CITY ENGINEER I THOUGHT WAS
INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE LEAVE TO THE CITY MANAGER,
RIGHT? WELL, IT'S IT'S IT'S THE SAME THING THERE. IT'S FLIPPED THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CONSULTING
AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY MANAGER, RIGHT AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE COUNCIL. SO IT'S JUST IT'S ODD THAT IT'S SEEMS LIKE IT'S
TURNED ON ITS HEAD. 
          YEAH. AND THEY DIDN'T MENTION THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN HERE? NO, NO, I NOTICED THAT. AND I LOOKED FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I WENT ONLINE AND FOUND OUT
IT'S A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY MAKE CONTRACT WITH THE LOCAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO. 
          KNOW THEY HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT. ROCKPORT. 
          OH. DO THEY? YEAH. OKAY. ROCKPORT POLICE? YEAH. 
          I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED. MADE SURE THEY HAD ONE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T IN HERE. THEY CONTRACT,
BUT THEY HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          ARTICLE FIVE WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE. THEY HAVE SEEMS LIKE A MORE STRINGENT WHICH. 
          I STILL KIND OF PREFER THAT, I SUPPOSE, BUT,
YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 502. 
          SHE TALKS ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE VOTERS EQUAL IN NUMBER TO 30% OR 50,
WHICHEVER ONE IS LESS. 
          YEAH. AND THROUGHOUT, ON SEVERAL OTHER THINGS,
THEY HAVE A HIGHER BAR THAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF OURS, WE WERE PROPOSING 5%. AND THAT'S JUST LIKE IT JUST SEEMS REALLY LOW. 
          THAT'S THERE'S A, THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          I THINK THAT'S FOR A RECALL. HERE'S A PETITION JUST TO RUN. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. WHICH I THINK IS, IS I, YOU KNOW,
EYEBROW RAISING ME TOO WELL. 
          AND I ACTUALLY WROTE DOWN A THOUGHT ON THAT. YOU KNOW,
IF YOU GOT TO GET 30%, IT MIGHT HELP SHOW THAT THE CANDIDATES REALLY VIABLE,
THAT THERE ARE SUPPORT SUPPORTERS FOR THAT PERSON AND THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST THROWING THEIR HAT IN THE RING TO MUDDY THE WATER, SIPHON OFF BOATS,
WHATEVER. 
          YOU KIND OF LIKE ROBERT, THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE? WOULD THAT ENGAGE MORE PEOPLE TO TRY TO RUN IF THEY KNOW
THEY HAVE TO PETITION, OR WOULD THAT DISSUADE THEM? WOULD PROBABLY DISSUADE THEM. 
          BUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT A BAD THING EITHER. WELL,
NO, I DISAGREE. 
          I WON'T CONTESTED RELEASES IN AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE RACE OFFERING OPINIONS AS POSSIBLE. 
          I'M I'M SURE IT'S LEGAL. I HAVE TO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LEGAL,
REQUIRING A 30% PETITION JUST TO GET YOUR NAME ON THE BALLOT, OR 50, 50, 50, 50 PEOPLE. WELL, IT'S 30% OR 50. 
          YEAH. IF IT'S A SMALL NUMBER, THEN IT. ANYWAYS,
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          WELL, I THINK I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN ROBERT. 
          BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD ELIMINATE A FLAKY RUNNER. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY I WOULD. I WOULD MEAN SOMEBODY WHO WAS. 
          WELL, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY ROBERT DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN ANYONE. 
          FLAKY. BUT I, I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE,
ALTHOUGH WE DON'T DO NOT HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF CANDIDATES TO HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO MAYBE NOT BE, LIKE, GENUINELY SERIOUSLY VIABLE JUST MIGHT BE KIND OF A JUST TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET
ON. 
          YEAH. IT JUST MIGHT BE KIND OF A DISTRACTION TO A MORE TO SERIOUS CANDIDATES. 
          I I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU RECALL, BUT I MENTIONED THIS IN AN EARLIER MEETING. 
          THERE'S A COMMENT BY COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE ABOUT DOING ONE BALLOT ISSUE OR INITIATIVE ON
BALLOT ITEM FOR COUNCIL MEMBER. 
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IF THERE ARE THREE OPENINGS, YOU TAKE THE TOP THREE VOTE GETTERS. 
          SO IT'S AN OPEN RACE FOR SIX OR 7 OR 8 PEOPLE,
HOWEVER MANY YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, AND THAT ENSURES YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN UNCONTESTED WINNER FOR ANY ELECTION. IS THERE ANY COUNCIL SEAT? AND YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR TOP THREE OR TOP TWO OR WHETHER WE GO TO THREE
TIMES OR NOT? YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THEY'RE ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC,
AND THE PUBLIC IS ENGAGED WITH THEM AND HELP DEVELOP THEM. 
          AND THAT THAT RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DID TALK A LOT ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, AT OUR FIRST GO AROUND, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE POLL DOES IT. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS AND WE'VE EVEN DISCUSSED IT SINCE WE'VE HAD
SINCE THIS NEW GROUP IS CONVENED. 
          BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE ABOUT THE POWER OF CERTAIN GROUPS LIKE THE GOLFERS AND THE ALLIANCE CLUB. 
          AND THAT WAS REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE PEOPLE WERE LIKE,
WELL, MAYBE THE RANKED CHOICE, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT MAY NOT BE AS EQUITABLE AS WE HAVE A CONCERN. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY I THINK EVERYBODY HAS BEEN,
EXCEPT FOR ONE FOR YEARS, PRETTY FAMOUSLY, THERE'S THERE'S ONE OF THE CITY LIONS THAT LOVES TO STEP UP TO THE MIC AND ADDRESS THE LIONS. 
          AND ONE PERSON WHO I WILL NOT NAME, WHO IS NOT A LION ON COUNCIL. 
          SO SIX OUT OF SEVEN ARE SO WERE THEY LIONS BEFORE? THEY THREW THEIR HAT IN THE RING OR WERE THEY BECOME LIONS AFTER THEY WERE ELECTED? SO USUALLY WHEN THEY START TO, WHEN THEY CONSIDER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUN. 
          THEY BECOME A LION. IT'S LIKE. RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT MORE THAN ONE PERSON THAT IS A LION,
THAT THEY WOULD NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE IF THEY WERE NOT ALONE. 
          REALLY? OH, REALLY? IT'S A LOW BAR TO TO JOIN THE LIONS CLUB AND THEN,
YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF LIONS PARTICIPATE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. YEAH, I, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY WOULD EVEN SAY THAT,
BUT I'VE HEARD IT MORE. 
          WOW. OH, MORE THAN ONE. OH, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ONE OF THOSE. 
          YEAH. WELL, ANYWAY, TO GO BACK TO, THAT'S WHY WE. 
          YEAH, WE'RE IN ELECTIONS. BUT SEE, IT KEEPS COMING UP. 
          WE DISCUSSED IT THEN WE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS GROUP IS DISCUSSING IT. 
          SO IT DOES KEEP COMING UP. ROBERT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT. 
          LOOKING AT OUR HISTORY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A BAD HISTORY WITH FLAKES. 
          TO RUN FOR OFFICE. THERE'S A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO FILE DISCLOSURES, YOU GOTTA FILE FINANCIALS,
YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW ALL THE LAWS, OR YOU'RE PERSONALLY AT RISK OF, YOU KNOW, GOING TO JAIL FOR AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER POSITION. 
          YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FLAKES WILL NECESSARILY COME OUT. 
          AND FOR THE POTENTIALLY ONE ISSUE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE HAD ONE,
WE FIXED THAT BY GOING TO REQUIRING A MAJORITY VOTE VERSUS PLURALITY. AND THEREFORE YOU DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE CAN COME IN
WHEN YOU HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE AND RUNOFFS, YOU DON'T HAVE A SPOILER THAT CAN COME IN FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPLITTING THE VOTE AND
GETTING THE NUMBER TWO CANDIDATE IN. 
          SO I, I ALL THAT KIND OF OFFSETS THIS REQUIREMENT OF GETTING 50 SIGNATURES OR A 30%
PETITION. 
          I WASN'T IMPRESSED WITH THAT. I DID HIGHLIGHT IT ONLY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY
INTERESTING AND ANTI FLAKE. 
          I ONE LAST ISSUE BEFORE WE LEAVE ON THE ELECTIONS. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE FIND IT ODD THAT THEY, THEY DO THEIR ELECTIONS IN MAY AS OPPOSED TO
NOVEMBER? WELL, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT IN MAY. YEAH. 
          A LOT OF MUNICIPAL DO IT IN MAY. IT'S THAT'S NOT PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL. 
          YEAH. DO THEY GET BETTER TURN OUT THAT WAY OR LESS TURNOUT I WOULD THINK. 
          IN FACT OUR CHARTER UNTIL I DON'T REMEMBER IT WAS 21 OR 18. 
          ONE OF OUR RECENT CHARTER CHANGES WAS TO MOVE FROM THE MAY ELECTION TO THE NOVEMBER
ELECTION. 
          YEAH, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING A MAY ELECTION IF WE WANT TO HOLD ONE IN MAY. 
          WE STILL HAVE THAT OPTION IF WE CAN GET THIS CHARTER KNOCKED OUT AND THE COUNCIL THERE IS
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AND THAT IS ROBERT BALLARD. 
          LINDA IS SKEPTICAL THAT WE COULD DO IT. I BELIEVE WE CAN. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHERE WE LAND. YEAH. 
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AND I NOTICED THAT THEY THEY GO BY PLURALITY AND MY NOSE WENT UP IN THE AIR IMMEDIATELY
WHEN I SAW IT. 
          YEAH, I DID. I NOTICED THAT TOO. I LIKE THE ORDER OF THE NAMES BEING. 
          DO WE DO THAT IN THE ORDER OF THE NAME? YES,
WE DO THAT THE SAME WAY. 
          YEAH. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PETITIONERS COMMITTEE ONLY TAKING NEEDING TEN QUALIFIED VOTERS IN ORDER TO GET A PETITION GOING IN. 
          WHAT? WHAT SECTION IS THAT? SIX. IT'S 6.02. RIGHT. 
          AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IT IN LINE 510. THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT A QUALIFIED VOTERS. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. THEY PUT IT RIGHT IN THERE WITH. 
          IN THE DEFINITIONS. THAT'S FUNNY. THEY JUST HAVE DEFINITIONS IN THAT ONE SECTION. 
          NOW YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE, WE HAD PUT A WHOLE SECTION AT THE FRONT. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A BAD WAY TO DO IT THOUGH INSTEAD OF. 
          ANYWAYS. BUT I JUST NOTICED THAT. I REALLY LIKE OUR DEFINITION SECTION AND I REALLY THINK
THAT'S A YEAH CONTROLS ALL. YEAH. JUST BE THE TABLE. YEAH. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET ONE. 
          IT'S APPROVED. YEAH. IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED IN 2018 BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          OH REALLY. YEAH. YEAH. ONE OF THE BALLOT INITIATIVES WHEN WE WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED WAS
ADDING A TABLE OF CONTENTS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2018 ELECTION. YEAH. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEN THE NEXT CHARTER 21. 
          STILL NO TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER. SHOULD PROBABLY SPECIFY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING
THE TABLE OF CONTENTS. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I MAY GET THE PAGINATION DONE OUT OF TABLE OF
CONTENTS. 
          IT'S ALREADY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. DOES ANYONE HAVE TO GO ON THE BALLOT? JUST DO IT. BUT
ACTUALLY, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY SINCE IT
SINCE IT WASN'T DONE BEFORE AND IT WAS APPROVED AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO. 
          AND I JUST NOTICED THAT THEY, THEY SPECKED OUT QUALIFIED VOTERS JUST LIKE OURS DOES. 
          AND WE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY. 
          SO WE'RE STILL ON SECTION SIX. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON SECTION? I JUST THINK THEY PUT A LOT OF SPECIFICITY INTO THE CHARTER. 
          IT'S BETTER HANDLED BY ORDINANCE OR THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE SPELLED OUT IN THIS LEVEL OF
DETAIL IN THE CHARTER. 
          AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE SETTLED ON 10%. I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD,
5% FOR RECALL. 
          THAT WAY YOU CAN'T GET TO INFLATES TOGETHER AND FORCE IT. 
          YEAH. COUNCIL SPENDS TIME ON SOMETHING. BUT ANYWAY,
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL EVER GOT TO THE POINT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE THEY GAVE US THEIR
FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          NO, IT WAS KIND OF OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS, AND WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO REWRITE THE WHOLE
THING. 
          YEAH. SO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION OR NOT. 
          ONLY 1 OR 2 THAT WERE PRESENTED EARLY, GOT ANY FEEDBACK ON THE OTHERS,
WERE KIND OF JUST LEFT OUT THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AS LIAISON SHANE OR I COULD TAKE SPECIFIC
QUESTIONS TO GET A DISCUSSION CONSENSUS ON OR PROBABLY BETTER YET, YOU CAN POST THEM ONTO THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND ASK FOR COUNCIL TO
COMMENT ON IT. 
          CAN COUNCIL COMMENT ON THE DISCUSSION? I WAS JUST IN MY MIND I WAS QUESTIONING THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT I AM THE LIAISON IS A MEMBER OF OF THE BOARD THEY'RE LIAISON FOR. 
          SO I ASSUME THAT I COULD COMMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          DO YOU KNOW ADAM IF NON LIAISONS CAN COMMENT. 
          LIKE COULD YOU COMMENT ON THE CRC. I'M GOING TO TRY IT. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S GOING TO BE CONFIRMED. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE WEIRD BECAUSE IF YOU COULD COMMENT ON THE OTHER COUNCILORS COULDN'T THEN
THEY WOULD SAY THEN THAT'S THE SAME AS YOU INFLUENCING US HERE, WHICH WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. I KNOW THAT'S TRUE. LIKE ON COMMISSIONERS. 
          YEAH. YOU KNOW, I CAN COMMENT ON BSC, BUT YOU CANNOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HOLDS TRUE. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY I CAN SECOND THAT. 
          I CAN SEE THAT AS BEING APPROPRIATE IN THE SAME AS LONG AS THE LIAISON IS COMMENTING IN
THE SAME WAY THEY WOULD IN THE MEETINGS, WHICH IS TO CLARIFY OR, YOU KNOW, NOT RENDER THEIR PERSONAL OPINION. 
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THEIR OPINION. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WOULD SEEM INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE LIAISON TO RENDER THEIR
OPINION. 
          BUT NEVERTHELESS, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS,
YOU CAN EITHER TELL, TELL ME OR SHANE ABOUT IT. 
          AND WE CAN POST. WE CAN BRING IT UP IN COUNCIL OR WE CAN POST IT ON THE COUNCIL BOARD,
COUNCIL BOARD AND DISCUSS IT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, SINCE IT SINCE IT CAME UP, I THINK IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING TO,
TO FIND OUT, LIKE WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE HAD CHANGED THE PERCENTAGES
AND SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING TO TO KNOW LIKE WERE WE OF COURSE, COUNCIL IS GOING TO CHANGE. SO MAYBE WE DON'T CARE WHAT THIS COUNCIL. LET ME
JUST SAY, I THINK THERE WERE MULTIPLE PAGES OF IDEAS FOR CHANGES,
RIGHT? ARE YOU ONLY ASKING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THE PERCENTAGES FOR RECALL SESSION? THAT WAS MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH, BECAUSE IT CAME UP AND I WAS LIKE,
WELL, WE NEVER GOT LIKE WE DID HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAKING IN GENERAL ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT THAT RECOMMENDATION KIND OF I DON'T RECALL HEARING ANYTHING
ABOUT. 
          BUT AND MAYBE IT'S MOOT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW COUNCIL,
BUT IT JUST WOULD BE INTERESTING. 
          INTERESTING. BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S KIND OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY,
I KNOW, TO DRAFT THE CHARTER. 
          I KNOW THEY CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE. I KNOW. DO YOU WANT TO INVITE THE INFLUENCE NOW AS
WE'RE DRAFTING, OR WOULD YOU RATHER BE. NO. OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? AND I THINK IT WOULD WITHDRAW MY INTEREST, MARK. 
          I WILL SAY THIS. THIS IS NOT REALLY TECHNICALLY FOR COUNCIL,
BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WOULD HAVE, AT LEAST ON AN ONLINE MEETING. 
          YEAH. MEMBER OF THAT FIRM HERE. THAT WOULD BE IN REAL TIME. 
          VERY VALUABLE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR,
YOU KNOW, YOU GET ALL. 
          I THOUGHT SO, TOO. YES. AND FOR THE FOR THE RECORD,
I TRIED TO JOIN THE GO TO MEETING. 
          SO WE HAVE A GO TO MEETING SESSION GOING UP THERE. 
          YEAH, I TRIED TO JOIN THE GO TO MEETING SESSION USING THE LINK THAT IS IN THE AGENDA FOR
TODAY. 
          YEAH. AND IT TOOK ME TO A MEETING WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN STARTED. 
          SO THE MEETING THAT IS RUNNING IS NOT THE SAME MEETING NUMBER THAT'S IN OUR AGENDA,
APPARENTLY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CITY ATTORNEY OR DELEGATE TRIED TO JOIN IN THERE. 
          WAS UNABLE TO. JUST LIKE I WAS UNABLE TO. YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT. IT'S KIND OF CONCERNING. THE MEETING IS STILL BEING RECORDED AND YOU CAN ALWAYS
CITIZENS CAN ALWAYS GO BACK, OR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND WATCH IT ON THE RECORDING. 
          BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO GIVE INPUT. THERE'S NO WAY TO THERE'S NO WAY FOR A PERSON,
CITY ATTORNEY OR MYSELF OR CITIZEN TO JOIN THIS MEETING THAT I OBSERVED. I THINK IT'S JUST AN ISSUE FOR THIS ONE SPECIFIC MEETING. 
          WELL, SEE, WE KEEP GETTING THE SAME GO TO MEETING NUMBER. 
          AND I'VE QUESTIONED THAT ON THE AGENDAS. AND I WAS TOLD I ACTUALLY MADE A AND THIS GOES
BACK A WHILE, I ASKED WHY THIS DOESN'T CHANGE. AND I WAS TOLD,
NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT. 
          IT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME. BUSINESS. KEEP MOVING ON THE CHARTER. 
          OKAY. GOOD POINT. BECAUSE WE. OKAY. BECAUSE. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE HAVE A CUT OFF. THE MEETING IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA,
SO IT'S A POINT OF ORDER. 
          WELL, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY KEEPING ME IN LINE TODAY. 
          OKAY, SO ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT SECTION SEVEN? ARE WE READY FOR SECTION SEVEN? YOU GUYS ARE SO ANXIOUS TO MOVE ON. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A THING TO SAY. 
          I HIGHLIGHTED LINE 738 WHERE ONCE AGAIN, IT TALKS ABOUT POSTING THE FINAL APPROVED BUDGET
FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR ON THE CITY'S INTERNET WEBSITE. DO WE DO THAT? WE DO DO THAT,
YES. 
          I DIDN'T GO, I DIDN'T GO IN. THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET IS POSTED IN MULTIPLE YEAR BACK. 
          YEARS ARE POSTED. YEAH, OKAY. 
          I QUESTIONED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS,
BUT I DIDN'T REMEMBER ABOUT IN SECTION 7.07 ABOUT THE APPROPRIATIONS LAPSING IF THEY'RE NOT EXPENDED. DID WE ADDRESS THAT IN OUR,
OUR CHARTER THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A 
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CONVERSATION? AND MIKE BROUGHT IT UP, TOO, ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD LAPSE OR CARRY OVER
NONCAPITAL ITEMS. NON-CAPITAL. RIGHT. AND. AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I DID I DID WE HAD THE DISCUSSION. 
          I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE PARTICULARS OF IT. SO. 
          I HIGHLIGHTED THAT AS ALSO AND ALSO THE DEEMED ABANDONED. 
          IF THREE YEARS PASSED WITHOUT ANY DISBURSEMENT,
THAT WOULD BE A CAPITAL THING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN ROLL OVER. 
          WELL, COULD COULD YOU MAKE A NOTE, ROBERT, FOR US TO JUST TO ADDRESS IT WHEN WE LOOK AT
OURS? THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT MADE TO. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT OURS
CURRENTLY HAS WRITTEN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT IT UNLESS IT'S A CAPITAL ITEM, IT EXPIRES. 
          AND I THINK MIKE'S ARGUMENT WAS, WELL, DOES THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO AND SPEND RIGHT AT
THE END OF THE YEAR? THAT'S RIGHT. UNNECESSARILY, JUST SO THAT THEY CAN PRESERVE THAT AND HAVE THAT AS A
BASELINE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR? YES. I THINK WE KIND OF SETTLED ON THAT'S A MANAGEMENT THING. 
          SOMETHING THAT, YES, THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO WATCH FOR. 
          OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE NOTE TO REVISIT THAT OR. 
          NO, NO, BECAUSE I THINK WE KIND OF RESOLVED IT AND NOBODY IS LIKE BRINGING IT UP NOW AS A
DISCUSSION ITEM LIKE IDENTICAL CHARGE. ACTUALLY, NOW THAT I LOOK AT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN OUR CHARTER,
BUT OUR FINANCIAL PRACTICE HAS BEEN THAT BASICALLY IT'S A USER ILLUSION EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
          AND IN ORDER, WHETHER IT'S CAPITAL OR NON CAPITAL EXPENSE,
IF IT'S NOT SPENT, IT COULD BE APPROPRIATED AGAIN IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T ROLL OVER BY DEFAULT. CORRECT. 
          WELL CAPITAL. I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR EVERYTHING CAPITAL DOES IN OUR PRACTICE. 
          REALLY, CAPITAL DOESN'T ROLL OVER. CAPITAL DOES NOT ROLL OVER. 
          WE HAVE A EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BUDGET FOR THAT YEAR. 
          AND WE MAY OR MAY NOT SPEND IT IN THAT YEAR,
JUST LIKE WE MAY OR MAY NOT SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON PERSONNEL OR SERVICES IN THE BUDGET EITHER. RIGHT. AND THAT MONEY, THAT UNSPENT MONEY DOES NOT ROLL OVER BY DEFAULT INTO THE
NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          BUT THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING,
FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE GOING TO PUT A NEW ENTRANCE INTO SUNSET PARK. 
          IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT GOT PUT IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET,
DIDN'T HAPPEN, GOT PUT IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          SO THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN TO ROLL IT INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BY DEFAULT. OKAY, BUT BUT THE CHARTER WOULD ALLOW FOR THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. BUT OUR CHARTER SAYS AN APPROPRIATION FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE SHALL CONTINUE IN
FORCE UNTIL EXPENDED, REVISED OR REPEALED, BUT THE APPROPRIATION SHALL EXPIRE THREE YEARS PAST. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ROLLS OVER TO ME. IT DOES. 
          I THINK FOR THREE YEARS OUR CHARTER ALLOWS IT. 
          I THINK WHAT PAUL IS SAYING IS THAT OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN MORE RESTRICTIVE IN THAT WE
REAUTHORIZE IT EVERY YEAR. 
          WE EITHER REAUTHORIZE IT EVERY YEAR OR WE DON'T. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE EXPLICITLY NOT REAUTHORIZED IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT OKAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, THE THE ASPHALT GREEN REDOING THE ROADS. 
          THAT WAS A FIVE YEAR PLAN AT LEAST. SO, YOU KNOW,
IF YOU'RE NOT ROLLING OVER SOMETHING OR IF YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUDGET YEAR TWO,
THREE, 4 OR 5, WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED IN THE MEANTIME? YOU'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND THE CITY SAYING,
DISAGREE. 
          WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO DO
ANOTHER BATCH OF THE OF THE ASPHALT, WE ARE LETTING GOING OUT FOR ANOTHER PROPOSAL AND GETTING BIDS FOR THAT,
FOR THAT BATCH, THAT PHASE. 
          YEAH. BUT THE PROJECT ITSELF WAS APPROVED OVER THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. TWO YEARS AGO. AND WE AUTHORIZED COUNCIL PRINCESS POINT. 
          YEAH. AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL PHASE HAS BEEN OUT SEPARATELY. 
          I DID HAVE A NOTE ON THAT LAPSE OF APPROPRIATION THAT WE'D LIKE AUBREY'S 7.07,
AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THAT. 
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SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS. DID YOU FIND. 
          YEAH. IT'S OPERATE LINE. 907. THERE ARE SECTION 707. 
          WE HAD MADE A NOTE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT,
BECAUSE WE LIKE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOR UNUSED APPROPRIATIONS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO ANY ITEM. 
          THE NUMBERS ARE ALL CUT OFF ON AUBREY. IT'S SECTION SEVEN. 
          SECTION 7079907. I HAD JUST MADE A NOTE AND STARTED TO COME BACK TO REVISIT BECAUSE WE IT
WAS A CONSENSUS THAT WE LIKED THE WAY THEIR SECTION OH SEVEN WAS WRITTEN VERSUS OUR 806. 
          YES. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S ON MY NOTES FROM AUBREY,
TOO. 
          YEP. SO WE SHALL REVISIT THAT SECTION AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. 
          SHALL WE MOVE ON? CHAIR? YES, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD,
BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TO. 
          SECTION. ANY ANYTHING ON SECTION EIGHT? I HAD NOTHING ON EIGHT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST CURIOUS. IT GOES 804 TO 806. 
          THERE IS NO 805. IT'S NOT EVEN ON THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER THERE. 
          WELL, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF ONES AND NO TWOS. SO I THOUGHT THAT SECTION 805 I DON'T YEAH,
I DON'T HAVE IT. YEAH. BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE WITHOUT THE PAGE,
THE LINE NUMBERING. 
          THAT'S AND THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERING SCHEME. YEAH. 
          THE ONE WITH THE LINE NUMBERS IS VERSUS THE NUMBER EIGHT. NOT ROMAN NUMERALS. 
          REALLY? ARE YOU ON PAGE H? WELL, MY PAGE IS. MY PAGES AREN'T NUMBERED. 
          AM I WRONG? WITHOUT LINES DOES NOT HAVE ANY ZERO FIVE MAKE A MOTION. 
          WELL, SEE WHAT YOU WERE COMMENTING ABOUT THAT YOU LIKED ABOUT THE ENDING AT CERTAIN. 
          MINE DOESN'T. AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING,
BUT MINE DOESN'T. 
          WELL, THIS ONE DOES. MINE DOES. I KNOW YOURS IS BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT YOURS AND I WAS
LIKE, WHAT IS HE TALKING? I LOOKED AT YOURS AND YOURS DOES,
BUT MINE DOESN'T LIKE MINE. 
          THEY JUST RUNS RIGHT IN. OKAY, THAT WAS A RABBIT TRAIL. 
          WELL, I LOOKED AT YOURS AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH,
I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          BUT I LIKE IT. OKAY. ARTICLE NINE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          THERE WAS SOME AT LEAST SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS ON THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THEM WAS THE, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          THEY PROVIDE FOR A CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND SECRETARY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ADOPT,
BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE THE CITY SECRETARY SITTING IN ON EVERY PNC MEETING AND SHE WAS THE SECRETARY, BUT WE NO LONGER DO. AND SO NOW IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THAT SECRETARY, BECAUSE WE REALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FORWARDING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          AND LIKE I KNOW THAT I FORWARDED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS EVEN THIS MORNING TO COUNCIL FROM
PNC MEETINGS. 
          AND SO IF WE HAD A SECRETARY, THAT PERSON WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW. NO. AND NO, WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY
RESPONSIBLE. 
          BUT I MY MY MEMORY FROM MY TIME ON PNC AND WHEN I WAS A LIAISON WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE
CITY ACTED AS SECRETARY. 
          BUT IT WASN'T THE CITY SECRETARY. OH, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IT WAS THE SECRETARY FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          YES, YES. BUT NEVERTHELESS, I WAS ALICE. THAT'S RIGHT,
THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ROY'S PRACTICE WAS TO HAVE FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO HAVE A CITY EMPLOYEE ACT AS SECRETARY
FOR THOSE MEETINGS. 
          YES, BUT FOR COMMITTEES THAT WERE NOT JUDICIARY OR WHATEVER THE WORD IS,
THEN THEY WOULD ELECT THEIR OWN SECRETARY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF PLANNING AND ZONING CURRENTLY HAS A CITY EMPLOYEE ACTING AS SECRETARY. 
          WE DON'T WE DON'T. AND AND. OKAY. AND I'M I'M HELPING YOU GO DOWN A TOPIC HERE THAT'S NOT
ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BUT ANYWAY. OKAY, BUT SEE,
IT IS MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE A CHAIR, A VICE CHAIR AND A SECRETARY. AND ANYWAY, I,
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WE DON'T IN OUR CHARTER, 
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WE DON'T SPECIFY THESE POSITIONS. AND SO I WILL JUST BRING IT UP WITH P AND Z STUFF AND
NOT BELABOR IT HERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING THEY DO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY THAN OURS. 
          OURS IS REAL SIMPLE. WE'LL HAVE A PNC. IT'LL BE APPOINTED BY ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE AND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE DEFINE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          RIGHT. SO I GUESS THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REVISITING OF HOW MUCH OF THEIR OTHER STUFF DO WE
WANT TO CODIFY. 
          RIGHT. CHARTER VERSUS NEW, THE WAY WE HAVE IT TODAY. 
          IT ONLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE,
OH YEAH. AND I DID NOTICE THAT THEY DO THREE YEAR TERMS. BUT SEE, THAT'S REALLY STUFF THAT BELONGS IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE RATHER THAN OUR
CHARTER. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH IT HERE. THE GOING BACK TO NINE THERE'S NO GO BACKS WHEN WE
HAVE A 530 CUT OFF TIME. WERE YOU SKIPPED? LINE 898. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT ALL BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES SHALL KEEP AND MAINTAIN MINUTES OF
THE PROCEEDINGS AND SHALL SUBMIT A WRITTEN REPORT OF SUCH PROCEEDINGS TO COUNCIL. AGAIN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SPECIFY IN THE CHARTER? AND WHAT WOULD THAT WRITTEN REPORT LOOK LIKE? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE
DIRECTION AND AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE CITY COUNCIL BY DOING THESE THINGS. 
          AND NOT EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION HAS BEEN DOING. 
          I THINK WE CURRENTLY ARE PRACTICES AN ANNUAL REPORT FROM EACH OF THE BOARDS AND
COMMISSIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A RULES OR PROCEDURE OR IF THAT'S JUST A EXPECTATION AND A PRACTICE
THAT'S EVOLVED. 
          OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CODIFY IN THE CHARTER? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED A DECISION OR DISCUSSION. 
          THERE IS SOMETHING IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE ABOUT THAT. 
          THE EVERY YEAR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, ETC. HAVE TO GIVE A REPORT TO COUNCIL. 
          I THINK MAYBE IN THE INSTANTIATING ORDINANCE,
BECAUSE EACH COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION HAS A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE A GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND A BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND I THINK IN THAT PARAGRAPH FOR WHATEVER
COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION, THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS, DO A WORK PLAN AND REPORT OUT TO COUNCIL ON PROGRESS AGAINST. 
          OKAY. SO I'M NOT LEAVING MY ORDINANCE LIKE WE DO NOW. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THEN OF COURSE, I THINK THAT WE ALL WERE TAKEN WITH A TON OF INTEREST WHEN THEY HAD A SECTION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT IN
THEIR CHARTER. 
          YEAH. LINE 25. DO WE? DOES PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          IS THAT WHAT KIND OF WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT? SUBMIT ANNUALLY TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          NO. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE TO. WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          ACTUALLY. WHAT? SHE HAS TO SUBMIT A BUDGET OF OF YEAH,
YEAH. 
          PROJECTS. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S WAY OVERKILL. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONERS GOING OUT AND GETTING
FUNDING. 
          YEAH. IT'S LIKE PUTTING TOGETHER A BUDGET TO SUBMIT TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR FOR CIP PROJECTS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO MANDATE THAT ON OUR COMMISSIONS. 
          I DID THINK IT WAS INTERESTING THAT AND MAYBE IT'S JUST STRUCTURAL THAT THEY PUT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A SUBSET UNDER PNC. 
          SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE GIVING OWNERSHIP OF THE COMP PLAN TO TWO PNC VERSUS HAVING THE
COMP PLAN. 
          IT'S KIND OF ITS OWN STANDALONE SECTION. SO WELL,
I GUESS TO ME IT WAS BECAUSE THE PNC HAS TO AFTER THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE DOES ITS WORK, PNC HAS TO ADOPT IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL REGARDING IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT, YOU KNOW,
IN REAL LIFE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN IMMERSED IN THAT PARTICULAR DETAIL. AND SO THAT'S. 
          WHAT I WAS SO INTERESTED IN, IT IS FLESHED OUT A LITTLE MORE WITH CHARTER OR SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD REVISIT. 
          RIGHT. I, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT IN THE CHARTER LIKE IT IS HERE. I DON'T I WAS ONLY INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES
SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY PNC IS FACING RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF EXTRANEOUS TO YEAH,
I WOULD JUST SAY IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN HERE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. 
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ARTICLE 11. I HIGHLIGHTED THE LINE 1013. IT'S 11 05H. THE FRANCHISEE SHALL FURNISH TO THE CITY A MAP OUTLINING ALL OF THEIR STUFF THAT THEY DID. I DON'T KNOW IF IF WE REQUIRE THAT NOW. 
          I KIND OF SEARCHED AROUND. I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT THIS THE TERM RIGHT OUT OF MY HEAD. 
          ANYWAYS, THE MAPPING TO SHOW DRAINAGE AND I FORGET THE TERM THE THE RADAR LIDAR LEADER. 
          THANK YOU. I KNEW IT WAS RADAR OF SOME KIND,
BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT SHOW GAS LINES. ELECTRICAL LINES,
BLAH BLAH BLAH. 
          SO IF SOMEONE IS DOING SOME WORK, THEY HAVE TO CREATE A GOOD MAP TO GIVE TO THE CITY TO
SHOW WHERE THEIR STUFF IS. 
          I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD IDEA. YEAH,
I THINK IF WE DON'T REQUIRE CONTRACTS THAT I'VE BEEN AWARE OF, PART OF THE CONTRACT IS TO DO THAT. DELIVER THE AS BUILT IS WHAT THEY USUALLY CALL IT THE
AS BUILT. 
          BUT I MEAN IT'S WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CALLED OUT IN THE CHARTER,
WHETHER THAT'S JUST PRACTICE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST HIGHLIGHTED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. 
          MAYBE WE DON'T NEED IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THAT BECAUSE
YOU'RE GOING TO OUTLINE. 
          WELL, I GUESS IF YOU'RE HAVING PVC OUTLINE ON A MAP AND SOMEBODY GOES DIGGING AND
ELECTROCUTES HIMSELF. 
          HOW ACCURATE IS THE MAP THAT WOULD BE? IS IT? YOU KNOW, HE SEES PLASTIC PIECES. LIABILITY PROBABLY. 
          RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AS A HOMEOWNER, I JUST CALL 811 AND THEY PAINT IT ON THE GRASS. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. YEAH. SO
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ELECTROCUTE YOURSELF. YOU'RE KIND OF ON YOUR OWN. YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT IS THAT REDUNDANT, HAVING A MAP? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT VALUE THE NOT THAT THERE ISN'T ANY,
BUT I CAN'T FIX IT. 
          TALKING TO HIM FOR A LONG TIME AND TO RELY ON A MAP MAY NOT BE AS UP TO DATE AS RELYING ON
THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CALL THEM IN THE MOMENT. BUT,
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLENTY OF SUBCONTRACTORS OR CONTRACTORS OUT THERE. 
          THEY'RE HACKING INTO WATER LINES ALL THE TIME,
WHICH IS ALL THE TIME. 
          YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING THOSE EMERGENCIES. 
          TRUE. AND I THINK IT'S A PRACTICAL MATTER THAT HAPPENS. 
          MAYBE WE'RE. JUST COMING FROM A TELECOMMUNICATIONS BACKGROUND,
WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF PLANTS ALL OVER THE PLACE, IN THE GROUND, IN THE AIR. THAT'S ALL PROPERTY THAT HAS TAX VALUE THAT YOU'VE GOT TO
MAINTAIN AND REPORT ON AND PAY YOUR TAXES ON. AND JUST LIKE IF YOU OWN A HOUSE. SO I'M SURE THERE ARE VERY DETAILED STUFF AND
WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THE CHARTER OR NOT. 
          BUT THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, NUMBER ONE. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, SOME OF IT IS QUITE SENSITIVE,
PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING TELECOMMUNICATIONS. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOUR POINTS OF VULNERABILITY TO BE TOO WIDELY KNOWN. 
          PUT IT THAT WAY. YEAH. NOT TO. WELL, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING POINT IN. 
          12. SO NOW WE'RE ON 12. REALLY THE ONLY THING OF INTEREST THAT I HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE I'VE SAID IT IN THE PAST WHEN? BEFORE Y'ALL JOINED US. BUT HAVING A CHARTER OR ANYTHING THAT SAYS HE SLASH SHE. 
          THAT JUST DRIVES ME CRAZY. AND IT JUST IT'S IT TALKS ABOUT THAT GENDER OF WORDING. 
          IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A GIVEN. YEAH. YOU KNOW IT'S THEY'RE NOT NO ONE'S BEING DISMISSED. 
          IT'S JUST FOR EFFICIENCY. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ALWAYS REMEMBER TO GO HE SHE YEAH I AGREE. 
          I LIKE THAT. YEAH. MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE CHARTER I DON'T KNOW,
BUT I LIKED IT. 
          BUT WE'VE COME ACROSS IT IN OTHER CHARTERS. SO I THINK IT'S IT'S A VALID THING TO PUT IN
THERE. 
          ESPECIALLY IN THIS ERA I THINK IT'S IT'S NOT TO DISMISS ANYBODY. 
          IT'S JUST BUT HAVING IT IN THE CHARTER. BASICALLY. 
          YEAH. YEAH. LET ME SPELL IT OUT. YEAH. WHICH KIND OF IS SOMETHING PEOPLE NEED THESE DAYS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A POLICY THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THAT CUTS DOWN ON LIABILITY. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M DONE. THE ONLY THING I HAD IN 12 WELL,
A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
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ONE, THE CHARTER REVIEW SPECIFIES FIVE PEOPLE,
NOT UP TO SIX. 
          YEAH, NOT 3 TO 6. SO THEY SPECIFY A HARD NUMBER. 
          A LITTLE MORE FLESHED OUT, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THEY SHALL NOT HAVE A COMMISSION FOR MORE
THAN SIX MONTHS. 
          WELL, THAT SEEMS LIKE RUSH, RUSH, RUSH. SO I,
I KIND OF LIKE THE FIRST PART ABOUT SPECIFYING A HARD NUMBER OF 5 OR 7 OR WHATEVER IT IS, NOT 3 TO 6. I DID NOT LIKE LINE 1150 WHERE IT SAYS SIX MONTHS. 
          YEAH, I HIGHLIGHTED YEAH, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT ONE TOO. 
          AND THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING ONE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS OPPOSED TO FOR. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY VALUE IN THAT OR NOT. 
          THAT WAS MY OBSERVATIONS THERE. AND THEN I LIKE THE RENUMBERING SECTION. 
          I THINK WE'D ALREADY ADDRESSED I THINK YEAH WE DID. 
          YEAH. WELL THE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE 3 TO 6,
RATHER THAN STIPULATING LIKE A FIRM NUMBER LIKE FIVE, IS THAT DEPENDING ON THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN,
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT. 
          AND THAT KIND OF LEAVES GIVES THE COUNCIL A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO. WHEN WE STARTED WITH SIX AND DROPPED DOWN TO FIVE YOU
HAVE TO STOP ALL WORK. 
          RIGHT. TO GET A SIX LIMIT. YEAH. SO THERE'S NOT EVEN THAT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS NEXT NEXT MEETING. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NCL CHARTER AND THAT IS ALMOST 100 PAGES. 
          SO EVERYONE PLAN AHEAD BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTARY. 
          THERE'S A LOT IN THERE, AND IT'S TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. 
          SO IN TWO WEEKS WE'VE GOT LIKE 100 PAGES TO GET THROUGH. 
          SO I WILL SAY TOO, THAT WHEN WE STARTED ALL THIS. 
          YEAH. I DID A CHAT GPT I CAN, I KNOW I SENT IT TO LINDA AND JEAN EARLY ON, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND RESEND THAT OUT TO THE CHAT. 
          GPT COMPARISON OF THE NCL VERSUS OUR CHARTER. 
          OKAY. ACTUALLY, WHAT I'LL DO IS EVERYBODY ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD NOW AND JEN IS MAKING A
FACE. 
          I WROTE IT DOWN AND DO IT THOUGH I CAN GET ON IT. 
          OKAY. IT'S REALLY EASY. SO I'LL PUT IT OUT. I'M NOT MAKING A FACE,
BUT I'M NOT ON IT. 
          I WAS MAKING A FACE. I WAS MAKING A FACE FOR HER. 
          SO SINCE YOU'RE NOT ON IT, I ALSO ASSUME THAT YOU'RE NOT USING YOUR CITY ISSUE. 
          SHE'S NOT. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO. I WAS TRYING NOT TO CLOG PEOPLE'S PERSONAL
MAILBOXES. 
          I'VE NOT USING THE CITY'S EMAIL ADDRESSES BECAUSE IT'S OKAY. 
          I JUST NEED. YES. YOU WILL. OKAY, WELL THAT'S GOOD. 
          IT'S THE KIND OF A THING I WOULD PUT OFF INDEFINITELY IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T MAKE ME DO IT. 
          I WAS ABLE TO GET IT DONE, SO IT'S NOT HARD. SO THERE'S PUTS AND TAKES THERE. 
          THE CITY EMAIL. IF YOU WANT TO USE IT ON YOUR PHONE OR TABLET,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE CITY HAVE FULL ACCESS TO YOUR PHONE CONTENTS AND SECURITY SETTINGS, WHICH I'M NOT WILLING TO DO. YOU CAN GET ON THE CITY EMAIL USING A WEB BROWSER,
YOU KNOW, OUTLOOK.COM OFFICE, AND THEN LOG IN WITH YOUR CREDENTIALS. 
          AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ACCESS TO IT. FULL ACCESS TO YOUR PC BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO A
WEB PAGE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO USE YOUR PHONE OR TABLET. THEN YOU GOTTA GIVE IT ACCESS TO YOUR
SECURITY SETTINGS AND POTENTIALLY THE CONTENT, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET INTO THE WHOLE OPEN RECORD STUFF AND ALL THAT RECORDS REQUESTS. 
          SO THIS PUTS AND TAKES THIS TRADE OFFS. I AM NOT PUTTING CITY STUFF ON MY PHONE OR TABLET. 
          I CAN'T I WILL ACCESS IT THROUGH A COMPUTER WEB PAGE. 
          OKAY. THAT'S IT. BUT IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION,
THEN I CAN CONTINUE TO EMAIL. 
          OR WE CAN CONTINUE TO AGREE TO EMAIL OUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES. 
          AND THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. IT'S JUST WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE CITY BUSINESS OUT OF OUR
PERSONAL ACCOUNTS. 
          YEAH. SO WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS THERE AS TO WHEN I SEND SOMETHING OUT LIKE MINUTES? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO USE? I WOULD LIKE THE CITY EMAIL FOR ME. 
          AND IF LINDA WANTS TO STAY ON HER PERSONAL. I MEAN,
I KNOW THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, GENE, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT ACCESS TO THE GENE ONE CITY. 
          WHAT DO YOU WANT? CITY. DID YOU SAY? DID YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO HELP ME? YEAH. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT THE WAY HE RECOMMENDED? YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I DID IT. I DID IT ON MY COMPUTER. 
          OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO USE YOUR PERSONAL OR DO YOU WANT US? NO. DO IT THAT WAY. AND THEN? THEN THEN I'M MUST. 
          [01:40:01]
I MUST GET ON IT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FIRST TIME. 
          WHAT? I WOULD DO, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE I'M VERY,
VERY SELDOMLY OPEN UP THE MACHINE. 
          SO I WOULD NEVER, HARDLY EVER CHECK THIS. AND LIKEWISE,
I MAY CHECK THE CITY EMAIL. 
          I TRY TO ONCE A DAY, AND THERE'S USUALLY NOTHING THERE. I MAY SKIP A DAY OR TWO. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO EMAIL ME AND YOU WANT A RESPONSE RELATIVELY QUICK,
I WOULD SEND IT TO YOU FIRST. 
          YEAH. OKAY. WELL. WE HAVE THIS. LET'S LET'S FRAME IT THIS WAY. 
          WE HAVE THE CITY EMAIL ADDRESSES ISSUED TO US,
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A CITY CREDENTIAL TO GET ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE CITY EMAIL FOR OUR
PRIMARY MODE OF COMMUNICATION. 
          OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO OKAY, OKAY. 
          THERE WAS SOME CELEBRATION VERSUS YAY, WE HAVE A CITY EMAIL. 
          WE CAN GET CITY BUSINESS OUT OF OUR PERSONAL. 
          AND GENE'S STILL LEANING THAT WAY AND I RESPECT THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THE OTHER FOUR OF US ARE STAYING PERSONAL. 
          OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT I STILL NEED MINE SET UP BECAUSE I CAN'T GET ON THE DISCUSSION
BOARD. 
          ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, IT'S YOUR CREDENTIALS TO GET ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD,
SO YOU DO NEED TO SET IT UP. 
          I DO NEED TO SET IT UP, BUT I WON'T USE IT. OKAY I LIKE THAT. 
          THAT IS OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS A VERY GOOD CONCLUSION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          05:45 P.M.. THANK YOU EVERYONE. SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE NCL MODEL CHARTER. OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.