* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. INSIDE THE [00:00:01] , INSIDE THE WINDOW THERE, IT [1. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL] APPEARS TO BE ABOUT SIX 30. SO THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION WILL COME TO ORDER OUR REGULAR MEETING. UH, WITH THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE HOLD THE DOWN. THANK YOU. WE'RE TRYING TO BE EXPEDITIONS. WE'RE TRYING TO BE, YEAH. SOMEBODY, FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS TO ROLL. CALL FRANK S I'M HERE. JIM CASON HERE. CRAIG SADLER STAND. STANDFORD WHAT? STALER. STAND HERE. IT WAS GOLF. 400 YARD GOLF. LOWER SOLDER. HERE. JEFF BEL HERE. CLIFF MCCULLOUGH HERE. AND DAVE SNYDER HAS AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. I, NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD GUESS Y'ALL ARE HERE FOR AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA PERMITS WITH, UH, OBJECTION FROM THE COMMISSION. THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE, ASSUME HAVE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE'RE GONNA MOVE [5.B. Discuss and consider forming a subcommittee to look at possible amendments to Chapter 3 concerning permit expiration. ] TO ACTION ITEM FIVE B, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER THREE CONCERNING PERMIT EXPIRATION. AND, AND I ASSUME Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM. YES, SIR. IT MAY. WILL PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR. THANK YOU. YEP. YEAH, AUSTIN ING WITH WAGO HOMES IS OUR COMPANY I WORK FOR. UM, AND SO JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PERMANENT TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY. I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY LOTS OF OTHER, MAYBE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, ME AND MY WIFE MOVED TO WAGO VISTA TWO YEARS AGO. I'VE BEEN BUILDING SPEC HOMES IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND, UM, I'VE BUILT CUSTOM HOMES ALL OVER, AROUND THE AUSTIN AREA FOR ABOUT THE LAST NINE YEARS, EIGHT TO NINE YEARS. AND, UM, IN THE MANY JURISDICTIONS I'VE BUILT IN BEING LAKEWAY AND OBVIOUSLY CITY OF AUSTIN EXTENSIVELY. AND AS OF LAKE, GOT A PROJECT IN JONESTOWN, CURRENTLY UNDER WATER, WATER HOMES, HOMES AS WELL AS POINT VENTURE. UM, I'LL BE COMPLETELY HONEST, HAD NO IDEA THAT WE ONLY HAD 12 MONTH HARD CAP ON OUR BUILDING FROM THE TIME, UM, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. WE HAVE METHODS IN PLACE FOR CONTINUANCE OF WORK INSPECTIONS, AND I HAVE A PROJECT UNDER UNDERGROUND RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT IS ON A, ABOUT A 12 TO 15 MONTH COMPLETION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CO AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. HOWEVER, I WAS ABLE TO SCHEDULE A CONTINUANCE OF WORK INSPECTION TWO WEEKS AGO ON OUR PORTAL, UM, SIMPLY BY JUST SAYING, HEY, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. AND SO THE INSPECTOR THEN SHOWED UP AND CONFIRMED AND SAID, YEP, WORK IS STILL UNDER PLACE. THIS IS AN ADVANTAGE JOB SITE ALL GOOD. AND SO IT, IT EXTENDED THAT PERMIT SIX MONTHS, EVEN THOUGH I ONLY NEED PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS. AND SO, UM, LAST THING I WOULD SPEAK TO. WE HAVE A PROJECT ON CARDINAL AVENUE. THE, UH, ADDRESS IS 2 1 3 1 3 CARDINAL AVENUE. WE PREVIOUSLY FILED, PARDON ME, FOR NOT KNOWING THE EXACT VERBIAGE, BUT I THINK WE PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED THE EXTENSION. UM, AND SO WE ARE GOING UP ON, I BELIEVE THE PERMIT EXPIRES ON THIS MONTH, THE 26TH OF THIS MONTH. LONG STORY SHORT, WHEN I FIRST GOT BROUGHT ON BOARD, UM, WORKING OVER HERE, THE VERY FIRST THING THAT, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION CLIENTS ARE ASKING ME IS LIKE, HEY, GLAD TO HAVE YOU. HOW LONG IS MY HOUSE GONNA TAKE? AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO ME TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 12 TO 14 MONTHS. AND SO, UH, THESE CLIENTS, SPECIFICALLY THEIR LAST NAME IS SHOELESS. THE VERY FIRST THING THAT I TOLD PHIL SHULA IS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT 16 TO 18 MONTHS ONLY BECAUSE THIS IS A FLOOD PLAIN HOME. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DETAILED. THE, THE FOUNDATION TOOK TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AND THE CMU TOOK THREE MONTHS TO GET 24 FEET TALL, YOU KNOW, AND TRUSSES AND ALL THE THINGS. AND SO, LONG STORY SHORT, WE ARE TODAY, CURRENTLY, UM, INCLUDING SOME STOPS THAT WE'VE HAD BOTH ON OUR PART AND ALSO WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE PERMIT PROCESSES THAT WE DISCOVERED, UH, BEFORE ASKING FOREX EXTENSION. WE ARE RIGHT AROUND THAT 14 TO 15 MONTH TIMEFRAME OF ACTUAL WORK ON THE GROUND. AND SO, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT EITHER A PROCESS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SIMILAR TO CITY OF AUSTIN. UM, AND I KNOW MANY OTHERS, UH, I BELIEVE IN THE PAST BEEN DISCUSSIONS. UM, I BELIEVE LINK MIGHT HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS OF JUST CONSIDERING PARTIAL EXTENSIONS. THAT'S ALL. ANY, YEAH. I'LL JUST ADD ON TO WHAT OXY SAID. UM, I'M KIM, KIM SHARP WITH LAGO HOMES. AND, UH, RALPH, MY HUSBAND AND I, UH, STARTED LAGO HOMES HERE IN LAGO VISTA ABOUT 2017, STILL INSPECT HOUSES AND THEN MOVING INTO THE CUSTOM HOMES. AND APPARENTLY WE HAVE A SIGN ON OUR BACK SAYING WE LIKE TO BUILD THE FLOODPLAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND SEE A HOUSE AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU DO MY HOUSE TOO. [00:05:01] UM, SO WE ENDED UP TAKING THOSE PROJECTS ON. AND, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CARDINAL PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF THE, UM, COUNCIL, WE HAD ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION. UM, THE CLIENTS CAME AS WELL AND KIND OF PLED THEIR CASE. UM, AND WE WERE GRANTED AN EXTENSION, WHICH IS SIX MONTHS, NOT ANOTHER FULL YEAR. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY OF ELPA VISTA, UM, THE FEES ARE YOU GET A ONE YEAR, UM, BUILDING PERMIT, UH, BASED ON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE UNDER ROOF. AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS LIKE FOUR OR SOMETHING. IF YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TWO FLOORS THAT ARE IN THE . UM, SO IT'S A VERY HEFTY BUILDING PERMIT. UM, WE WERE GRANTED A SIX MONTH EXTENSION, AND, UM, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE FOR THE, THE FULL YEAR. BUT HAD THEY HAD TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE FULL BUILDING PERMIT FEES AGAIN, FOR ONLY SIX MONTH EXTENSION THAT WHOLE YEAR. AND SO NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA REQUEST A, A MEETING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEE IF WE CAN JUST EXTEND IT A FEW MORE WEEKS, UM, IF WE NEED IT FOR BEYOND THE 24TH OF OCTOBER. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. UM, JUST SO WE CAN FINISH. 'CAUSE WE'RE SHOWING PROGRESS WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE EVERY DAY WORKING, TRYING TO GET THAT, THAT END, UH, TIMELINE. BUT WE MIGHT BE PUSHING IT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A CO, BUT, BUT WE'LL SEE. UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING. SO IF WE HAD TWO YEARS TO BUILD THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, THAT WOULD A LOT EASIER ON US. NON BUILDERS, NON CLIENTS ON THEIR FIRE PHONE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THOSE EXTENSIONS. SO, THANK YOU. WOULD WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, SIR? THANK YOU. SURE. HOW Y'ALL DOING? UM, I'M BUILDING THE HOME ALSO. UH, OVERALL 1307. COULD YOU, SORRY, NAME? CHANDLER ANDERSON. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UH, I, I'M MORE SO I GUESS HAD SOME QUESTIONS. WHERE'S YOUR HOME AT? 1307, ROBIN TRAIL. I THINK I'M DOWN. YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE OFF THE . OH, I DO LIVE OFF HERE. YES, SIR. I THINK , I ACTUALLY PA I WALKED PAST THEIR HOUSE ABOUT THREE TIMES A DAY. YEAH. UM, SO THE PERMIT EXTENSIONS, I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL ARE FEELING ABOUT THIS, TO WHERE IF IT'S UPFRONT AND IT'S DISCLOSED THAT, HEY, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE EITHER, BECAUSE WE KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA ORDER COULD TAKE THREE MONTHS JUST ON OUR OWN AND SLOW THINGS DOWN. UM, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLY EASY FOR THEM TO IMPLEMENT TO SAY, HEY, I NEED A STANDARD 12 MONTH APPLICATION, OR I NEED A 18 MONTH APPLICATION, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, 24 MONTHS MAYBE. UH, MY QUESTION MORE SO IS TO DO WITH WHEN IT COMES TO THESE EXTENSIONS, WHAT THE SERVICES ARE THAT ARE RENDERED AT THE TIME OF THE EXTENSIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THAT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SERVICES? UM, WELL, YOU MEAN LIKE INSPECTIONS AT THE START? UH, THERE, THAT'S PART OF IT. AT THE START YOU DO YOUR PLANNING REVIEW, RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO DO THE ENGINEERING REVIEW. UM, THEY MAY HAVE TO DO THE ROAD IMPACT WHERE THEY COME OUT TO EXTEND THE SEWER LINES. ALL THOSE ARE SERVICES. UM, FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED, AND THIS IS A QUESTION TO YOU GUYS, UM, THOSE EXTENSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BASED OFF THE SERVICES PROVIDED, MEANING THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE IS A HOUSE BILLS DATE, UH, LAW THAT SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO REFLECT REASONABLE, UM, COST TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE EXTENSION, MEANING YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PROFIT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO SEE, DO WE KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY GOES INTO IT? BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN I DID THE EXTENSION, I JUST PAID THE FEE, FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION, AND THE NEXT DAY IT WAS APPROVED. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THERE WASN'T MUCH YES. FOR THE REVIEW, NEW PLANNING, NEW ITEMS THAT WENT INTO THE EXTENSIONS. SO I DON'T THINK THE EXTENSIONS WOULD BE AS BIG OF A DEAL IF THERE WEREN'T SUCH HEAVY FEES ASSOCIATED JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S. YOUR HOUSE, THE GRAY ONE? YES. IT'S CURRENTLY RED TECH, RED TECH TWO BIG SPOT PERMIT. YEP. OKAY. WHICH ACTUALLY THEY CLEARED UP AND SO TO BE GOOD. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S [00:10:01] MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'RE CHARGING THE SAME FEE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO REFLECT SERVICES RENDERED EVEN ON EXTENSIONS. RIGHT? SO IF, IF THEY HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH EXTENDING, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THIS BIG OF ONE, IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY WHAT SHE SAID, 14,000 SQUARE FOOT TIMES, YOU KNOW, 0.75, THEY'RE PAYING $12,000 EVERY SIX MONTHS. RIGHT. I HAD TO PAY 7,000 AND I DID GET IT WAIVED. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MORE OF MY QUESTION TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN APPLICATION THAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR UP FRONT. THIS IS GONNA TAKE LONGER, BUT ALSO WHEN IT'S EXTENDED, YOU KNOW, HAVE US PAY FOR THE INSPECTIONS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE. PAID FOR ANY TIME THE CITY NEEDS TO COME OUT OR ANY TIME ELECTRICAL COMPANIES NEED TO COME OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. AND TO DOCUMENT THAT ON THE PERMIT OR HAVE 'EM PAID PER, PER TIME WHEN THEY REQUEST AN INSPECTION, THEY PAY THAT FEE THEN. UM, BUT THAT'S THE, THE BIGGER THING I SEE HERE IS THAT WHEN THEY GET TO THIS EXTENSION TIME, THEY EITHER HAVE TO SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY TO GET THE MONEY. IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN PLANNING ON THAT AND IT'S A BIG AMOUNT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MAINLY ALL I HAVE IS JUST THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT HOUSE BILL IS? DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF THAT HOUSE BILL YOU WERE REFERRING TO THAT IT'S THE RESTRICTIONS ON, ON THE FEES? YES, IT IS HOUSE BILL 8 52. LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 14 9 0 8. YEAH. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? TWO, UH, TWO 14.908 AND I THINK IT'S FAIRLY NEW. WELL, 2023 IT WAS PASSED. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY, THIS CODE WOULD'VE BEEN UPDATED. I THINK ONLY EVERY 10 YEARS PASSED. AND YOU SAID IT WAS IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE? IT'S A STATE BILL, UH, FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE STATE STATE OVERSIGHT. ONE 16. YEAH, THE TWO FOURTEENS, ACCORDING TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 14 9 RELATED LEGISLATION. THERE'S A HOUSE BILL 52. I WAS THINKING TWO 14 SOUNDING, BUT IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT. AND UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, I THINK MOST PROJECTS THEY'LL TELL YOU UP FRONT THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GO ALONG, SO. WELL, THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR COMING OUT FOLKS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Y'ALL HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? MORE QUESTIONS, ANY FOLKS? NO, WE GOT, SHOOT. YEAH, I JUST, IT MIGHT BE, ANYBODY CAN ANSWER. WHY DOES IT TAKE 12 MONTHS TO BUILD A HOUSE? I MEAN, I BUILD CONVENIENCE STORES FOR A LIVING AND EVEN WITH THE LAYS, UM, IT'S SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS ON THE LONG SIDE. I CAN ANSWER. WELL, FROM MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I STARTED, IT'S, IT'S MORE SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE BUILDING ABOUT THREE HOUSES WHEN THEY'RE ELEVATED LIKE THAT. RIGHT. AND WE KNOW THAT ONE, WHEN WE GET CONTRACTORS, THEY HAVE TO BE CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO DO IT, OBVIOUSLY IN COMMERCIAL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL YOU KNOW, BUT YOU INVENT THEM BEFORE YOU EVEN FILED YOUR PERMIT. RIGHT? YOU HAVE RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THEN SOMETIMES THEIR TIMELINES DON'T LINE UP. THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF. RIGHT. UM, BUT CERTAIN THINGS DO TAKE LONGER. BUT FOR AFTER COVID WINDOWS, WERE ON NINE MONTHS DELAY. RIGHT. I, I'VE GOT ONE STORE THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO TRANSFORMER FOR 12 MONTHS. COVID IS NOT RIGHT UNDER. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THIS STARTED UNDER. UH, I THINK I STARTED MINE 2022 AND THERE WERE STILL, AND I WAS ACTUALLY WORKING WITH HIM PREVIOUSLY WITH RALPH AND THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME UP FRONT TOO, THAT WE NEED TO ORDER THESE WINDOWS SOON AS POSSIBLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GET DELAYED. UM, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THEN WHEN YOU GET CONTRACTORS AND YOU GOTTA GET ALL THESE LIFTS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS DEALING WITH, LIKE I SAID, COMMERCIAL BUILDERS. YOU'RE DEALING WITH RESIDENTIAL BUILDERS, STILL CONTRACTORS. RIGHT. BUT THE PROCESS CONTRACTORS PROCESS IS THE SAME. I'M NOT TRYING TO CHALLENGE 'EM, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF, RIGHT. 'CAUSE I DON'T BUILD RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. BUT I WOULD THINK YOU COULD ORDER YOUR PRODUCT, IT'S GONNA TAKE TO BUILD THE HOUSE AND ALL THAT, GET ALL THAT STUFF READY TO GO AND LINED UP BEFORE YOU EVER FILE YOUR PERMIT. CORRECT. IT'S MORE SO TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTORS. YEAH. I ALSO, IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT. SO WE HAVE, UM, COULD YOU COME TO MY PLEASE? THANKS. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, WE WERE NEVER THE BUILDER OF RECORD FOR CHANDLER'S HOUSE. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. UM, SO, UM, ANYWAY, THE, WE HAVE CLIENTS THAT HAVE BANK LOANS. A LOT OF TIMES THE BANKS WON'T FUND THAT PART OF THEIR DRAW UNTIL THINGS ARE INSTALLED. [00:15:01] SO YES, WE CAN ORDER RIGHT CONSTRUCTION. YES. RIGHT. WE CAN ORDER AND WE DO THAT KIND OF, WE HAVE TO TIME THINGS SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CARRYING, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING 10 HOUSES, WE CAN'T CARRY A MILLION DOLLARS FOR RIGHT. JUST LIKE, JUST JUST IN TIME INVENTORY. WE DON'T HAVE, I MEAN YEAH, WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT LUXURY, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF THOSE. SO, AND UM, AND YES, THERE ARE SOME DELAYS. UM, SOMETIMES IT JUST SUBCONTRACTORS TAKE A WHILE. YOU KNOW, THEY'S, LIKE AUSTIN WAS SAYING THAT, THAT THE SLAB OVER THERE ON CARDINAL IS QUITE LARGE. AND THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF STEM WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE, AND LIKE I SAID, I WALK PAST THE HOUSE TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY, SO I SEEN PROCESS OVER THE TIME. YEAH. SO, AND IT'S ALSO JUST GETTING SUBCONTRACTORS LINED UP BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BUNCH OF EMPLOYEES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAY BE ON THE SITE TOMORROW AND THEY'RE THERE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY'VE GOT OTHER PROJECTS TOO. OKAY. BUT YEAH, MOST OF OUR HOUSES, UM, UH, THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN DO TAKE PROBABLY ABOUT 14 TO 16 MONTHS. UM, THIS ONE'S TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER. 'CAUSE AS OFTEN MENTIONED, WE RAN UP AGAINST THE, THE, UM, BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRING. RIGHT. AND WHILE WE WERE, UM, TRYING TO GET THAT EXTENSION, WE COULDN'T DO ANY PERMIT. WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING IN THE HOUSE, UM, THAT WE COULD BE CONTINUALLY TO WORK. HAD WE GOTTEN OUR INSTALLATION DONE BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT PERMIT EXPIRED, THEN MAYBE WE COULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT, YOU KNOW, VIOLATING PERMIT, UH, REGULATION. SO, UM, YEAH. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH CONSTRUCTION LOANS. GOTCHA. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, SO ARE YOU HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE HOUSE YOU BUILD THAT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN? WELL, YEAH. WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE ALMOST ALL TAKING MORE THAN 12 MONTHS. YEAH, THE FLOOD, YEAH. FLOOD PLAIN HOUSES. YEAH. THEY DO TAKE LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS. SO YEAH. IF THERE WAS A WAY, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE'RE ALL HERE, IS TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT IDEAS OF WHAT WE COULD BE DOING IS, UM, IS IS IF THERE WAS A PACKET AHEAD OF TIME TO SAY THIS IS GONNA TAKE 18 MONTHS, OR THIS IS GONNA TAKE 24 MONTHS, MAYBE THE PERMIT FEE IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN IT WOULD BE AT 75 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT UNDER ROOF. MAYBE IT IS A DOLLAR 25. IS THAT JUST THE LIV, THE LIVABLE AREA? OR IS THAT EVERYTHING ROOF, EVERYTHING UNDER THE, THE HVAC SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 3,900 SQUARE FEET. 39, 42. SO THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS DID THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF THAT ONE TOO, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THAT ONE TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THAT WAS RIGHT. . BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT ONE TOOK PROBABLY ABOUT 16. YEAH. EX CONTINUING CIRCUMSTANCES. YEAH. SO, UM, YOUR QUESTION, DID I ANSWER THE QUESTION? YES. SO I HAVE ONE, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA SHOW MY IGNORANCE BECAUSE I'M NEW TO THIS. UH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY BY, BY PUTTING THESE HIGH FEES FOR THE, THE RENEW IS TRYING TO GIVE INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE SOONER. NOW WE'VE HAD WHY, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CITY'S PURPOSE FOR TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT CITY WAS? WHY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CITY'S CITY'S INTEREST IN GETTING IT DONE QUICKER? WELL, I I PROBABLY, I, I WOULD HAVE TO GUESS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, IF IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT, LIKE THE PERMIT TIMELINE HAS, 'CAUSE A LOT OF OUR HOUSES THAT WE'VE DONE THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. YEAH. WE'VE GOT 'EM DONE IN THE 12 MONTHS. IT'S A FLAT LOT. EVEN IF IT'S ON A SLOPE. AND WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH TRYING TO GET A HOUSE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDABLE OR THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THAT AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS JUST DO A STEM WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE SLOPE, THAT'S, THAT'S EASY. UM, AND WE CAN GET THAT DOWN TO 12 MONTHS. BUT IT'S THESE FLOOD PLAIN HOMES THAT TAKE LONGER BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA, AS CHANDLER SAID, BUILD THREE HOUSES. UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET IT UP OUTTA THE FLOOD PLAIN. YEAH. IT'S 14,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT. NOT, NOT ALL. I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ALL USABLE. IT'S NOT ALL HVAC. IT IS USABLE LIKE FOR STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BOTTOM, BOTTOM HALF OF THE BUILDING'S, THIRD OF THE BUILDING'S GARAGE. YEAH. TWO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT WHOLE DOWN HERE. I DUNNO IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO WALK THROUGH IT, BUT NO, I DON'T WALK. ALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS LOOK SEPARATE. THANK YOU. COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF. I THINK THERE'S SOME MISINTERPRETATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, THE WAY I READ THE ORDINANCE, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO EXTEND THE PERMIT SIX MONTH AND SIX MONTH INCREMENTS UP TO 36 [00:20:01] MONTHS. IF YOU CAN'T GET A HOUSE BUILT IN 36 MONTHS, WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM. NO OFFENSE. I AGREE. IF YOU CAN'T BUILD IT IN THREE YEARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, A MALL OR SOMETHING ELSE. UM, AND THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SPECIFIES THAT THE EXTENSION FEES ONLY IS FOR THAT PORTION OF THE PERMANENT, PERMANENT FEE, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY A, IT EXCLUDES THE, UH, PORTION THAT'S IDENTIFIABLE AS A REVIEW FEE. SO RIGHT NOW THAT FEE, I'M NOT, I HATE TO SAY THIS IN THE DEAL, BUT THEY'VE PROBABLY BEEN OVERCHARGED IN THE PAST FOR THE PERMIT FEES. 'CAUSE UH, OUR FEE IS BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO PARTS. ONE PART OF IT IS, GOES STRICTLY TO STREETS. AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS STRICTLY THE PERMIT AND THE STRICTLY THE PERMIT PART IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE BEING CHARGED, WHICH IS A THIRD OF THE, UH, PERMIT FEE COST. SO I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A SOLUTION IN PLACE. JUST, JUST JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ORIGINAL PERMIT THAT'S FILED HAS TWO PARTS FOR THE MONEY THE PERMIT, ONE PART FOR THE PERMIT FEE IS 0.75 RIGHT. PER SQUARE. JUST HOLD ON, LET, LEMME CLARIFY WITH MY THOUGHT PROCESS. SO THE, THE, THE INITIAL PERMIT FEE CONSISTS OF TWO PARTS, PART FOR STREETS OR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN PART FOR THE FEE ITSELF, RIGHT? YES. SO ANY EXTENSION, THE PART FOR INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCES. YOU, YOU GOT THREE THINGS. THE, IF YOU HAVE TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER, YOU WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT? MM-HMM . WHEN YOU SAID EXTENSION, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, THAT'S, THAT'S PERMIT FEE. NO. SO WHEN THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SERVICES, WATER AND SEWER, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PERMIT FEE? NO. THAT'S A DIFFERENT FEE. IT GETS STARTED. THAT'S, YOU JUST PAY THE ACTUAL COST OF TO, I GUESS I'M MISUNDERSTAND 'CAUSE I JUST ASKED THAT QUESTION POINT BLANK. WELL, THERE'S A, WHEN YOU DO YOUR INITIAL PERMIT, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU DO YOUR INITIAL PERMIT, YOU DO PAY A ROAD IMPACT FEE AND PARTS A SEPARATE, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FEES, WATER AND SEWER EXTENSION FEE, I THINK IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, A SEWER EXTENSION FEE. RIGHT. BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S GETTING AT IS WHEN YOU GO TO DO THE RENEWAL, YOU GET TO PAY THE SAME EXACT FEE AGAIN. SO IN MY, IN MY CASE, THE IMPACT FEE WAS $2,300 AND SOMETHING ELSE. AND IT ALL ADDED UP TO 7,000. SO WHEN I GO TO DO THE RENEWAL, THEY TELL ME I HAVE TO PAY THE 7,000 AGAIN. SO HE IS PAYING TWO FEES IN INFRASTRUCTURE FEE, BASICALLY FOR WATER, ELECTRICAL, WHATEVER. THEY DO THAT AT THE, AT THE INITIAL DEAL. I, I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THAT'S 'CAUSE WE WERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE AN ITEM WAS BEING TAGLINE TO THE PERMIT FEE FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES 0.75 PER SQUARE FOOT 0.50 OF THAT GOES TO ROAD IMPACT FEE, WHICH IS NOT THE IMPACT FEE. SO THE ACTUAL FEE FOR THE PERMITS ONLY 25 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT. YES. IF I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE PART. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN PAYING WHEN THEY DID A RENEWAL, IS JUST THE 25 CENTS THAT COVERS THE COST OF THE INSPECTORS AND THE SOFTWARE AND ADMINISTRATION. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED, UM, SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET LUMPED UP AGAIN. AND THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT JUST THE STANDARD TIME AND TIME I INPUT. I REALLY DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TO REALLY BE DISCUSSED. I MEAN, 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN EXTEND IT OUT TO 36 MONTHS. I'VE ALREADY TAKEN STEPS TO CORRECT THE ISSUES ON THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO I THINK THE PROBLEM HAS ALREADY SOLVED ITSELF. IT'S JUST PAST INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCES. NOBODY TOOK THE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ THE FULL ORDINANCE AND THEY WERE JUST CHARGING THE WHOLE FEE JUST LIKE YOU WERE STARTING OVER AGAIN. WHEN YOU COME TO GET YOUR SIX MONTH EXTENSION, THEY'RE CHARGING THEM WHAT THEY WERE PAYING FOR THE 12 MONTHS, WHICH IS TOTALLY NOT FAIR IN MY OPINION. I'VE BUILT HOUSES BEFORE AND I'D HAVE SCREAMED IF I HAD TO DO THAT. UM, BUT SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE, CAN YOU, COULD YOU STEP UP TO THE MIC PLEASE? MIGHT JUST, YOUR, YOUR EXTENSION FEE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD THIRD, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY ALSO HAVE, WHEN WE REQUEST THE EXTENSION, WE CAN REQUEST IT FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS? NO, IT CAN ONLY BE, IT CAN ONLY BE DONE IN SIX MONTH INCREMENTS UP TO 36 MONTHS. THAT WAS, THAT'S ALL. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON INITIAL SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, [00:25:01] YES SIR. FOR THE PERMISSION TO CONSIDER ON, UH, CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO UNDER K ONE A, B, C AND D. YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'VE GOT THOSE COPIES. YEAH. SO ON THE FIRST PAGE, UM, IT DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT MISCELLANEOUS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURAL PERMITS ARE SIX MONTHS UNDER B RESIDENTIAL OR SITE WORK PERMITS ARE 12 MONTHS. ON THE SECOND PAGE, SEE MULTIFAMILY AND NONRESIDENTIAL PERMITS, 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ARE 12 MONTHS. AND MULTIFAMILY AND NONRESIDENTIAL PERMITS GREATER THAN 5,000 IS 24 MONTHS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHAPTER ALREADY CONCEDES OF THE FACT THAT CERTAIN SIZE STRUCTURES ARE INHERENTLY GONNA TAKE LONGER. RIGHT. SO IN LAG VISTA, WHERE WE HAVE A TOPOGRAPHY AND B FLOODPLAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMES THAT ARE 12, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE 14,000 SQUARE FEET. MR, MR. HEY SON, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE. OH, I APOLOGIZE IF I DID SOMETHING WRONG. YOU'RE GETTING READY TO INDICATE WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. NO, NO, NO. I WAS JUST THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL. I APOLOGIZE IF YOU INTERPRETED IT THAT WAY. THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED. OKAY. I DID NOT MEAN FOR YOU TO INTERPRET IT THAT WAY. I APOLOGIZE. UM, ALL I'M, ALL I'M INDICATING IS THAT THE CHAPTER SEEMS TO ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT CONSIDERATIONS WERE MADE FOR CERTAIN SIZE PROPERTIES. AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MR. WEST SAID ON THREE SECOND SENTENCE, I'LL JUST READ IT FOR YOU. I'LL OFFER AN OPINION. IT JUST SAYS, PURSUANT TO THIS PAYMENT OF A FEE IN THE, AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE ORIGINAL PERMIT FEE OF A SCHEDULED RENEWAL FEE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY AUTHORIZE A SIX MONTH EXTENSION. SO IN, IN THAT SENTENCE, EQUAL TO THE SCHEDULED RENEWAL FEE OR THE ORIGINAL PERMIT FEE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, IS THAT TERM ORIGINAL PERMIT FEE INCLUDING THE, THE ROAD IMPACT FEE AS WELL, OR? I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE INSURANCE AND THAT'S, I AGREE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY MANAGERS INDICATED HE'S GONNA FIX OR HAS FIXED. WELL THEN I'VE GOT A QUESTION. IF THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IT'S GONNA BE THE GREATER OF THE TWO FEES, THE ORIGINAL FEE OR THE, THE, UM, RENEWAL FEE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, SHALL BE CHARGED. WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO THEY'RE PAYING THE FULL FEE. SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE RENEWAL FEE IS GONNA EXCEED THE ORIGINAL FEE. BUT I THINK THE WAY IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED IS THAT THEY'RE ALSO INCLUDING THE IMPACT FEE, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE DONE. SO WHEN THEY PAY RENEWAL FEE, BASICALLY THEIR RENEWAL FEE SHOULD ONLY BE 25 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT. IF I REMEMBER FROM EARLIER CONVERSATION. WELL, UNLESS IT'S BROKEN DOWN THAT THE ORIGINAL AND AIR QUOTES, THE ORIGINAL PERMIT FEE AND THE ROAD USE IMPACT FEES ARE SEPARATED, THEN I COULD READ IT THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. TELL ME POINT SOME OUT TO THE COMMISSION. WE CAN SORT THIS OUT THIS EVENING OR WE CAN FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO ACCEPT YOU ALL IF YOU WANT TO JUST, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING. YEAH. OKAY. SUPER. JUST TO YOUR POINT, I BELIEVE, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO, THE FEES ARE BROKEN DOWN THAT WAY, LIKE I SAID, AND THEN WHEN I, I, I'D ASKED SOMEONE IN DEVELOPMENT WHEN I WENT TO DO THE RENEWAL, SAME QUESTION. I'M NOT DOING ALL THESE. AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT SAYS THOSE FEES, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANS. SO I WAS LIKE, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. 'CAUSE IF IF THE ORIGINAL YEAH, THE ORIGINAL IS, IS BROKEN DOWN INTO SEPARATE PIECES WHERE THE PERMIT IS A CERTAIN PRICE, THE PERMIT FEE, AND THEN HERE'S ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, THEN I COULD SEE HOW YOU COULD BE READING IT AS, AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS SAID. AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE WHICHEVER IS GREATER IS LITTLE CONCERNING JIM. I MEAN, I'D RECOMMEND SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE YOU, YOU, IF YOU TRY TO DO THIS THING, THIS STUFF RIGHT NOW REAL QUICK AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST MY RECOLLECTION. THINK, BUT I DON'T CARE. THIS REVAMPED, PARDON ME? I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE REVAMPED MYSELF. YEAH. WHY DO YOU, WHY DO WE NEED TO DELINEATE MULTI-FAMILY NONRESIDENTIAL IN IN THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE? [00:30:01] IT SHOULD JUST BE PER SQUARE FOOT. IF THEIR HOUSES ARE 14,000 SQUARE FEET FROM THE GETGO, IT SHOULD BE 24 MONTHS FROM THE GET GO. MIND IF I ASSIST? YEAH. COME ON UP TO THE MIC. SPEAKING TO THAT ONCE AGAIN, AUSTIN LOG HOMES. UM, SPEAKING TO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE MY TURN A LITTLE BIT, THE QUESTION YOU ASKED EARLIER IS WHY CAN'T WE BUILD A HOUSE WITHIN 12 MONTHS? I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. WHAT WAS SAID FURTHER? A LET'S CALL IT STANDARD HOME OR MAYBE LESS COMPLEX HOME IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. UM, THE ONLY KIND OF CAVEAT IS A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE AVERAGING CONDITIONED ABOUT SIX TO NINE BUCKS SQUARE FOOT CONDITION. UM, NOT A LOT OF 'EM ARE IN WAGO. MOST ARE IN JAMES COUNTY AND GOT THREE MORE IN TRAVIS COUNTY RIGHT ALONG . SO THOSE HAVE BEEN UA LITTLE UNIQUE AND HAD SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY PER SE. SO I I DO AGREE WITH YOUR MAYBE QUESTION OF DIFFERENCE AT THE ABOVE 5,000 4 4 4 LESS AND THEN MULTIFAMILY VERSUS WE. SO I AGREE. AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TACKLED TONIGHT. THAT COULD BE TO GET INTO A SUBCOMMITTEE. THERE'S A LOT HINGING ON THE EXACT WORDING OF THIS RATHER THAN TRYING TO IRON IT OUT COMPLETELY TONIGHT. IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO TAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS APPROACH TO IT TO GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL. YEAH. SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE DO A SUBCOMMITTEE SURE. SHARE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW, UH, CHAPTER THREE, UH, TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT. ALL RIGHT. SECTION 3.110, UH, TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT SIZE VARIATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO ACCOMMODATE MORE TIME THAN . JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU'RE LOOKING, YOUR MOTION TALKS ABOUT CLARIFYING SIZE, MULTI-FAMILY, NON-RESIDENTIAL AND TIMELINES. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT. YES. MY MY MY AND WE'RE GOING TO, THERE'S, IS THERE A SECOND ALSO, MY ISSUE WITH THE MOTION IS THAT I THINK IT ONLY HAS TO DO WITH SINGLE FAMILY. YOU MAY FIND SOME STUFF IN 3.100. IT'S WRITTEN THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT. YES, SIR. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THIS CHAPTER IS PART OF THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC THAT IS CURRENTLY STARTED WITH RECENT NICHOLS. AND THAT CODE DIAGNOSTIC WITH ALL RECOMMENDATION IS SCHEDULED TO BE PRESENTED BACK TO THE CITY NO LATER THAN FEBRUARY. AND THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC, THEY ARE GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THEY ALL FLOW TOGETHER. OR WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN AND IDENTIFY ALL OF THE DISCREPANCIES. THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS. UH, WHO'S, WHO'S THEY? ESON NICHOLS CITY'S CONSULTING ENGINEERS. GOTCHA. THEIR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER SAN MARCUS IS ONE'S HEAD WITNESS. Y'ALL, Y'ALL STILL WANT TO STAY WITH JUST SINGLE FAMILY? ISN'T THAT THE CORRECT CITY ISSUE SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT SECTION 3.1, 1 10, 1 10. CHAPTER THREE IN TOTAL. THAT'S FINE IF WE HAVE, WELL YEAH, LEAVE IT. MARTY, DO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? [00:35:01] JUST SIMPLIFY IT. THAT WE MOTION JUST TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE. ALRIGHT, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION. SO I MOVE THAT WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW SECTION 3.110. I'LL SECOND IT. NO. JIM, YOU OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? YES. A MOTION AND A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL US IN FAVOR? UH, MOTION PASSING NATIONALLY. NOW WE GET THE FORM OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. WHO'S VOLUNTEERING? I'LL VOLUNTEER. I'LL VOLUNTEER. HOW MANY DO YOU WORK? AND I'M A VOLUNTEER. MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU ONLY HAVE THREE? THAT'S THREE. OH, DID WE, WE HAVE, LOOK, I'M SO MISSED. SOMEBODY, MS. CLIFF. YEAH, I'M SORRY. NOW WE GET THE VOTE ON THE MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, BUT THE COMMISSION MAY ALSO CONSIDER STAFF. UM, OH GOODNESS. WELL, YES. LET ME GET TO THAT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE CRAIG, LAUREN CLIFF. IS THERE A MOTION FOR THAT TO FORM THOSE FOLKS AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE? I MAKE A MOTION FORM THOSE. UH, MOTION AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND I SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IS IN FAVOR. SUPER. WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER THE NICHOLS UNDER WHEN I COME BACK TO THAT ITEM. AND I'D LIKE TO IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN WE COME TO BACK TO ROUTINE REPORT FROM LIAISON AND THE CITY MANAGER. SO WE'LL COME BACK TO FREEZE THE NICHOLSON, WHATEVER ELSE YOU GUYS MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. NEXT [4.A. Discuss definitions in the code of ordinances. ] ITEM IS DISCUSS DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. ITEM FOUR A MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH, WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE. PARDON ME? THE, THE COMMISSION'S GONNA FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS. GREAT. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. BUT Y'ALL KNOW NOW YOU CAN GET TO 36 MONTHS. RIGHT? AND THAT THE FEES MAY NOT, FEES WON'T ME KNOW. HERE. HE'LL JUST COME TALK TO ME. OKAY. , WHAT IF WE ONLY NEED TWO WEEKS? OKAY. . WELL, WHAT, WHAT? THE CITY COME TALK TO ME THE, OKAY. THE CITY MANAGER'S GOT A LOT OF STUFF. WHEN HE HEARD THAT YOU WENT TO THE COUNCIL TO GET AN EXTENSION. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED, BUT THAT WAS JUST WRONG. AND HE'S TRYING TO FIX THIS STUFF. OKAY. APPRECIATE HELP, APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. AND, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS BUILDERS IN THE AREA TOO, JUST TO STAY INFORMED, THIS COMES TO MEETINGS AND THAT'S, THAT'S, COULD YOU GUYS LEAVE US SOME CONTACT INFORMATION? INFORMATION? ABSOLUTELY. UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SEND IT. OKAY. SUPER SUBCOMMITTEE. MAY WANT TO VISIT IT WITH HER AND THE STAFF. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WAS THAT, THAT SECTION RIGHT NOW, STEP UP TO THE MIC. THAT THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PART THAT HE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CLARIFICATION ON THE FEE? YES. AND ORCHESTRATOR. IT'S TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES. SO, BUT IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. THESE WILL BE FIXED WHEN WE DO OUR NEXT PIECE. OKAY. MR. BEMAN FIELD, IS THE COMMISSION GONNA CONSIDER APPOINTING ANY CITY STAFF TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE? NO, SIR. OKAY. WE TO, WE ONLY APPOINT FOLKS THAT ARE UP HERE IN THE PAST. OUR SUBCOMMITTEES ALWAYS WORK WITH STAFF AND THAT'S UP TO CHARLES AS TO WHO HE WANTS. AND CHARLES AND I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT INCLUDING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HIS CALL. ACTUALLY, THIS IS MY LAST TIME TO ATTEND THIS MEETING BECAUSE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS GOING TO BE THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THIS BOARD. THIS . HE WAS NOTIFIED TODAY. . WELL, CONGRATULATIONS. [00:40:01] HE DID. IF HE CAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF UNBELIEF. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF BEFORE THEY LEAVE. YES SIR. IS THE OVERCHARGES THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED ON THEIR EXTENSION GONNA BE ADDRESSED? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU HONOR. UH, LET'S SEE. WE'RE BACK TO FOUR A, UH, DEFINITIONS. THIS WAS YOUR DEAL, SIR. THERE'S A PIECE IN THE PACKET THAT I WROTE. DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING AFTER WITH RESPECT TO DEFINITIONS, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS. WELL, NO, NO. YOU HAD SUGGESTED IN A MEETING FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED. DEFINITIONS. THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE. AND I PUT TOGETHER A PAPER ABOUT DEFINITIONS. BUT AGAIN, I'M SURE THAT ADDRESSES WHAT, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT CRAIG'S, UH, ISSUE WAS THAT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A, A FLOW OF DEFINITIONS. 'CAUSE THE DEFINITION WAS 1, 2, 3 IN ONE SECTION AND IT WAS 1, 2, 4 IN ANOTHER. AND IT, YEAH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF A DEVELOPMENT WAS DEFINED THROUGH ALL OF THE CITY CODES. RIGHT. I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, WHAT ALL WOULD BE UNDER THAT LIST OF DEFINITIONS. LIKE WHAT TERMS WOULD BE UNDER THAT LIST. RIGHT. I WOULD JUST, I WONDER IF MAYBE THERE'S EXAMPLE, 'CAUSE YOU PUT EXAMPLES IN HERE FROM OTHER, OTHER CITIES AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS. UM, UM, MAYBE WE COULD PAGE FIVE. WELL, I, I MEAN I I AGREE. I THOUGHT THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE HAD DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE, OR IN THE CASE OF THE BUILDING ORDINANCE DID NOT HAVE A DEFINITION FOR DEVELOPMENT. YES. WAS PART OF THE DRAINAGE STUFF. AND WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IT? WELL, 'CAUSE I THINK WE WERE, MOST OF US, IF I THINK OF DEVELOPMENT FROM, FROM MS DAIS, I'M THINKING OF A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT THINKING OF I WANT TO MOVE MY SIDEWALK. IT'S STILL DEVELOPMENT. SEE, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S IF IF BEING TOUCHED, IT'S DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? ANY MAN MAY CHANGE SEVEN PLUS WORDS. RIGHT. YEAH. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MAYBE IF THERE'S A STANDARD, MAYBE NOT A STANDARD, MAYBE THAT'S THE WRONG WORD. AN EXAMPLE FROM MAYBE ANOTHER, UM, UM, JURISDICTION SOMEWHERE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS HAS A, YOU KNOW, A CODIFIED LIST OF VERBIAGE WITH DEFINITIONS, YOU KNOW. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE CONSULTANTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS OR WOULD BE DOING? YEAH, WE'RE LOOK AT IT. 'CAUSE ONE OF MY THINGS IS, IS I THINK ANY DE ANY DEFINITIONS THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODES, BUILDING CODES, ANYTHING THEY ALL NEED TO MANAGE. THEY DO, THEY NEED TO BE UNIVERSAL ACROSS ALL OF THE ORDINANCES. I MEAN, MAYBE THAT WAY THERE'S NO CONFUSION. MAY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS AN EXAMPLE. IF HE'S A CITY ATTORNEY FOR MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS, MAYBE HE CAN, YOU KNOW, PULL IN AN EXAMPLE AND BE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS A, THIS IS A TEMPLATE TO USE AS A STARTING POINT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD TO IT, TAKE AWAY FROM IT. BUT I'M, I MEAN, I'M SURE WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. I'M SURE IT'S ALREADY EXISTS SOMEWHERE. MR. A COUPLE OF WAYS WE CAN PROCEED WITH THIS ITEM. CONTINUE. I MEAN, WE CAN KEEP VISITING ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THERE'S TWO POINTS. CHAPTER THREE PROBABLY NEEDS THE DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? WELL, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE TERMS THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DEFINED. WELL, BUT I, I'M GOING THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE, WHATEVER THAT WORD IS, SHOULD BE DEFINED THE SAME WAY ACROSS THE CODE. RIGHT. I WOULD THINK THAT SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY CODE THERE WOULD BE A SECTION THAT IS TITLED DEFINITION OF TERMS. THAT'S GOT, [00:45:02] YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WHY? BECAUSE THE DEFINITIONS ARE IN EACH CHAPTER. RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAVE A CITY CODE THAT APPLIES, IF YOU SEE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY CODE, IT MEANS THIS VERSUS HAVING TO DO IT. I MEAN, REPEATEDLY PER EVERY CODE IF YOU YEAH. BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE CODES WORK. NO CITY HAS IN ITS CODE OF ORDINANCES, AN ORDINANCE LISTING ALL THE DEFINITIONS. SO WHY DOES IT SAY WE CAN'T, JUST A QUESTION, JUST 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T SET AN EXAMPLE AND BE LIKE, HEY, MONGO VISTA, THEY'VE GOT A SUBSECTION OR A SECTION AS AN APPENDIX OR WHATEVER THAT TERMS AND DEFINITION, DEFINITION OF TERMS THAT APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE CITY CODE. A HOUSE MEANS THIS PROPERTY MEANS THIS. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN EACH CHAPTER? SO IT, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT, ON OUR, IN THAT HANDOUT ON PAGE FIVE, THE BIG BIG FIVE JUST UNDER DEVELOPMENT FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT'S SPECIFIC TO FLOODPLAIN ISSUES. WHEREAS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS MORE OF WHAT I WAS THINKING OF DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT. THAT'S WHY. SO THAT HAPPENS. MM-HMM . HAPPENS IN OUR CODE, HAPPENS IN CEDAR PARK. WELL IT JUST LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT. IF WE TRIED TO DO A DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ENCOMPASSED ALL POSSIBLE AREAS THAT IT COVERED, I THINK IT'D GET, GET CONFUSING. IF I CAN SUGGEST IF WE HAD A SECTION UP FRONT IN THE, IN THE CITY CODE WITH UNIVERSAL DEFINITIONS, AND THEN WITHIN EACH SECTION, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC VARIANCE TO THE, THE DEFINITION IN THAT, THAT BASIC LIST, IT WOULD BE DESCRIBED IN THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO LIST ALL THE DEFINITIONS, JUST THE ONES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT PART OF THE CODE. CORRECT. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS PACKET. I'M FINDING ALL THESE DEFINITIONS SAY THE SAME THING. THEY JUST WORD IT DIFFERENT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S UNDER LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, ZONING. THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING. JUST USE DIFFERENT VERBIAGE. AND THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU CHANGE ONE OF 'EM, YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AND CHANGE ALL OF 'EM. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA BE INCONSISTENT AND IT'S GONNA JUMP UP AND BITE US AT SOME POINT. WELL, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE A LIST OF DEFINITIONS FOR EACH SECTION. THERE'S NO, THERE ISN'T. NOW THERE'S A SET OF DEFINITIONS THAT USUALLY LEADS OUT THE BEGINNING OF EACH CHAPTER OF THE CODE. SO WE HAVE 15 CHAPTERS. THERE'S A SET OF DEFINITIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE CHAPTERS. RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING IN ONE OF THE CHAPTERS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA BE REFERRING BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS IN THAT CHAPTER. YEAH. AND BY DOING IT THAT WAY, IT ALLOWS MORE SPECIFICITY IN YOUR DEFINITION ADDRESSING THAT CHAPTER THE WAY IT'S USED IN THAT CHAPTER. MM-HMM . IF YOU TRY TO HAVE ONE DEFINITION FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT APPLY ACROSS ALL CHAPTERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ENCOMPASS EVERY POSSIBILITY IN THAT DEFINITION. AND THE DEFINITION'S GONNA GET LONGER AND LONGER AND LONGER. THE ONE HERE FOR DEVELOPMENT, ANY MANMADE CHANGE IN IMPROVED UNAPPROVED REAL ESTATE, INCLUDING NOT LIMITED TO BUILDINGS OR OTHER STRUCTURES, MINING, DREDGING, BILLING, GRADING, PAVING, OR EXCAVATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION. PERMANENT STRUCTURES ON THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE AGRICULTURE. SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DEFINITION. THAT WOULD APPLY ANYWHERE THAT YOU COULD APPLY TO ANY OF THE, I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU COULD PUT THAT IN A DEFINITION OF TERMS SECTION AND HAVE IT APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. WELL WHEN, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT UNDER DEVELOPMENT, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD BE DOING TO THE WHOLE AREA, NOT JUST ONE PIECE OF LAND. WELL, [00:50:01] WHETHER THE ONE PIECE OF LAND IS A LOT OR THE WHOLE PIECE OF LAND IS 60 ACRES FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT APPLIES TO SAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU JUST UNDER THE TERM DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT. WHERE IT SAYS FROM CHAPTER 10 SUBDIVISIONS, IT'S THE SAME THING AS THE OTHER DEFINITIONS. , I DON'T CARE HOW WE IMPLEMENT IT. MM-HMM . IT, IT JUST SO LONG THERE'S DEFINITIONS. YEAH. AND I'M, I'M ABOUT KEEPING IT SIMPLE. IF THERE'S, YOU CAN HAVE ONE SECTION, I MEAN, VERSUS SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THAT'S NOT SIMPLE. IT'S, IT'S NOT SIMPLE. IT'S MORE COMPLICATED. WHY WHEN YOU GO TO CITY TO LOOK AT WHAT THEIR RULES ARE WEIGHED OVER, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TERM, ANA PARALYSIS. BY ANALYSIS, I MEAN IT'S LIKE WHAT WE DID LAST, LAST MONTH, RIGHT. WHICH WE KNOW . NO, I ASK A QUESTION. WHEN YOU GO TO CITY AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR RULES ARE, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE BUILDING CODE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THE DEFINITIONS. OKAY. YOU DON'T NEED ENOUGH SET. YOU WON'T KNOW. AND NOBODY ELSE DOING DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING WILL KNOW. HEY, THE DEFINITIONS ARE ACTUALLY IN CHAPTER 16. ALL YOU NEED IS ONE SENTENCE AT THE BEGINNING OR NEAR BEGINNING OF EACH PART OF THE CODE STATING THAT THE DEFINITIONS THAT APPLY ACROSS ALL THE SECTIONS ARE IN APPENDIX A. YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, I'M LIQUID ON THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION, HOW IT'S EXECUTED. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE ONE APPENDIX OR INDEX, HOWEVER YOU WANNA WORD IT WITH A STANDARD TERM THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD. JUST 'CAUSE I'M A SIMPLETON, RIGHT? I, I LIKE LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT MORE GOVERNMENT. TO ME, A MANUAL OF 500 PAGES WHEN YOU CAN MAKE IT IN A HUNDRED PAGES IS MUCH SIMPLER. I'M A BULLET POINT GUY, NOT A PARAGRAPH GUY. SO YOU JUST ADDED A, YOU JUST ADDED A WHOLE NEW CHAPTER TO THE CODE THAT IT HAS CONFUSION DEPENDING ON PERSPECTIVE. WELL, YOU SAID KEEP IT SIMPLE. SO LET'S ADD A TERM OF DEFINITIONS TO EVERY SINGLE CODE THAT THERE IS. I'M OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T CARE HOW WE DO IT. I WOULD PREFER A SIMPLE INSERTION INTO THE CODE. THAT'S AN APPENDIX THAT HAS A TERMS OF DEFINITIONS THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT 'EM IN, IN EACH INDIVIDUAL CODE, WELL, IT'S JUST A WORK SESSION AND WE CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING. BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS AND POSSIBLY SOMETHING AND WE'LL COME, WE'LL GO BACK TO FREEZING NICHOLS. MR. WEST IS, ACCORDING TO THE, AND I SPOKE TO THIS WHEN WE MADE A PRESENT ANNUAL REPORT, IS FRIESA NICHOLS GONNA COME TO BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND OR ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION? YEAH. WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT ALL THE DETAILS NOW, BUT YES, THEY'RE GOOD. THEY PLAN ON HAVING, I KNOW, A MINIMUM OF TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET INPUT FROM OTHERS. BUT STAFF AND COMMITTEES WILL HAVE THEIR OWN MEETINGS WITH . THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS. UNLESS IT GOT AMENDED. IT GOT AMENDED A LITTLE BIT. WELL, CONTRACT SAID THEY WERE GONNA GO TO P AND C. WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME TO Y'ALL TOO. 'CAUSE I HAD THAT MEETING YESTERDAY. OKAY. WE HAD OUR KICKOFF MEETING. Y'ALL. THIS GROUP WAS INCLUDED. OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, NO. SHOOT. I DON'T CARE HOW IT GETS IMPLEMENTED AS LONG AS WE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S A TERM OF DEFINITIONS BY CODE, UH, CONSULT. THE FIRM WANTS TO BRING A TEMPLATE FORWARD THAT WE CAN INSERT INTO EACH CODE AND TAILOR IT TO THAT CODE. THAT'S WHY AN APPENDIX INSERTION FOR THE ENTIRE CODE, I DON'T CARE. AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN USE. TEMPLATE CODE. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THIS ISSUE OF HAVING A SINGLE SET OF DEFINITIONS THAT APPLY ACROSS THE CODE, EACH CHAPTER. IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT? I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I'M GOOD EITHER WAY. THAT'S MY OFFICIAL POSITION I'LL APPROACH. [00:55:03] SO THERE'S NO CONSENSUS ON THAT. IT'S A GREAT CON CONVERSATION. I'M GOOD EITHER WAY, AS LONG AS IT'S THERE. IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON DEFINITIONS? ? IT'S A WORK SESSION. NO. MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER STAKEHOLDER SITUATIONS IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A PRIMARY PLACE FOR DEFINITIONS THAT APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. IF THERE IS MORE SPECIFICITY NECESSARY, THEN THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. YES SIR. I'VE SEEN THAT. AND FEDERAL REGS WOULD BE DONE THAT WAY, BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF WORK WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO COMPARED TO WHAT WE GOT. NOW WE, WHEN WE NEW GREG, DO WE GO LOOK FOR THAT AND THAT SPECIFIC SESSION? CLEARLY WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THAT. . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU. SUPER. NEXT [5.A. Discuss and consider making a recommendation to the City Council concerning amendments to Article 9.800, Chapter 9. Code of Ordinances, concerning the Building and Standards Commission's duties and powers.] ITEM IS FIVE A DISCUSS AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. CITY COUNCILS CONCERNING AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER TO ARTICLE 9.8 HUNDRED CHAPTER NINE, CODE OF ORDINANCE CONCERNING THE COMMISSION'S, DUTIES AND POWERS. AT THE LAST MEETING, THE UH, COMMISSION ASKED FOR AN ORDINANCE, DO YOU HAVE IT? IT WAS TRULY DRAFTED. IT, THE CONCEPT WAS TO SIMPLY ADD B TO OUR DUTIES. DOESN'T, IT'S ON PAGE NINE. YEP. BIG BIG NINE. AND THAT'S WITH ONE SMALL EXCEPTION IS VERBATIM FROM THE DOCUMENT CAME FROM THE COUNCIL, WHAT'S THE EXCEPTION? CHAPTER 11 RIGHT AWAY AND ACCESS THE , WHICH THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL AND WHICH WAS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR ANNUAL REPORT. AND, UH, AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, UH, FREEZE NICHOLS IS SUPPOSED TO COME BY NOW, WE VERIFIED A COMBINED VISIT WITH US ABOUT CHAPTER 11. SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, COMMISSIONER STANFORD, UM, HIS PROPOSAL WAS THAT THE SECTION B BE CUT OFF AT THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT, BUT WHAT WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MOTION WAS THAT, THAT ALL THAT B WOULD I THINK, I THINK THE MOTION WAS TO JUST, UM, WELL, CLEARLY THE FIRST PART IS CORRECT TO, AS FAR AS MY MEMORY SERVES ME, UH, THAT THE PARAGRAPH A WAS THE INTRO PART AND THEN THE PARAGRAPH B WOULD BE THE, THE NEW ONE AND THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE WAS THE PROPOSED DRAFT LANGUAGE AND COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR, UH, PROPOSED JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE AND LEAVING THE REST OFF THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT COVERS THE REST [01:00:01] OF IT. RIGHT. ALL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCES THAT FALL WITHIN THE PROVE OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION SHALL FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. WHAT ARE THOSE ORDINANCES? WELL, THEY AREN'T WHAT YOU'VE GOT LISTED HERE NOW. YES. BUT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE LATER. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK. WELL, HE DOES SAY THIS INCLUDES . I'M OKAY WITH THE VERAGE HE'S GOT, I MEAN, YOU, IF YOU SAY, IF YOU JUST USE THAT FIRST SENTENCE, YOU COVER EVERYTHING THAT THE BUILDING IS STANDARDS HAS NOW OR WILL EVER HAVE UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION. YEP. RIGHT NOW I THINK THE DEBATE WAS WHEN YOU HAD CHAPTER A AND WE DON'T, I DIDN'T COPY THE WHOLE ORDINANCE, ACTUALLY HAD MY NOTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, BUT I ACTUALLY SHARED THEM TO THE, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD KEEP WHICH CHAPTERS THAT BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION HAS JURISDICTION TO REVIEW BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO LIST THOSE. OTHERWISE NOBODY FOLKS WON'T KNOW. UH, FURTHERMORE, A AL ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, CORRECTIONS TO THE EXISTING LANGUAGE. UH, IT ORIGINALLY READ THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING COMMISSION WILL HAVE AUTHORITY AND THEN AT THE VERY END, THE BUILDING COMMISSION MAY MAKE. SO WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT THE WORDS END STANDARDS. THAT WAS CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. AND I GOT A LIGHT BULB THAT'S FROM LAST MEETING. DOES A BILLING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION HAS UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING? HIM WILL BE RECOMMENDED OR IT COULD BE HE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING. EITHER ONE OF THOSE WORDS. THE WEB CASE WRITTEN NOW DOESN'T WORK. WHERE, WHERE THE FOURTH, WHERE IS OKAY. UH, YEAH. TAKE OUT THE WORD HATS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN PUT IT, WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO SAY, RECOMMENDS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON PAGE EIGHT BEFORE YES. PAGE AJ, YOU CAN SAY, HAS UNANIMOUSLY OR TAKE OUT THE WORD HAS AND SAY UNANIMOUSLY YOU RECOMMENDS OR LEAVE THE WORD HAS IN THERE AND SAY, HAS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING MEMO IN WHAT? HOW ABOUT RECOMMENDED I SUPPORT. RECOMMENDED. OKAY. WHICH LEAVES US WITH THE ISSUE OF LISTING THE ORDINANCES OR NOT. I THINK RICK SAID HE'S OKAY WITH IT THIS WAY. THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE COUNSEL SENT TO US. YEAH. I SAID THIS INCLUDES BUT NOT LIMITED TO. I'M FINE WITH IT SAYS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THAT COVERS ANYTHING ELSE. I JUST, I'M ABOUT SIMPLE TO, SO IF IT WAS JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. THE WAY IT'S, IT'S JUST, OKAY. I HAVE TO, I MAKE THE MOTION. OH, GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, UH, MR. CHANNEL, BUT ON PAGE EIGHT, FIRST PER, UM, OMITS CHAPTER SIX, . IT DOES, IT GOES FROM FIVE TO 11. [01:05:03] THANK YOU. SOMETHING NEFARIOUS IS THAT QUESTION. OH, NO. CHAIRMAN'S NOT GONNA LEAVE SIGNS OUT. I HAVE THREE AMENDMENTS THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON FIRST WHERE ATS FOURTH, WHERE ATS AND, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT'S IN A TO A TWO F BUILDING AND STANDARDS CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, RECOMMENDED REVISIONS THAT ARE MADE. UH, TABLE THE SUBJECT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN REVIEW IT WITH REVISIONS MADE IN IT AND THEN MAKE A VOTE ON IT. THEN SECOND. TOMORROW A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SO, MOTION IN A SECOND. WE WILL SEE THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING. ALL THIS IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES IN UNANIMOUSLY. [3. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS] NOW WE'LL GO TO ROUTINE REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL LIAISON. NO NEW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN. I, UH, TOMORROW THE CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA BE DISCUSSING THE DRAINAGE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, YOU GUYS MADE. SO, UH, YOUR HARD WORK AND FRUITS WILL BE DISCUSSED TOMORROW. AND WHAT TIME ZONE THE MEETING STARTS AT THREE O'CLOCK. NO OTHER RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME? OVER OVERRULED. I THINK THERE'S FOUR INITIATED DEALS ON THAT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM ARE COMING. EVIDENCE. I DON'T REMEMBER. I DON'T THINK SO. UH, ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF ONLY ROUTINE REPORT I GOT IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS BEEN APPOINTED IS THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THIS COMMITTEE. AND YOU'LL BE ONE IN ATTENDANCE IN ALL FUTURE MEETINGS. WHAT'S HIS BACKGROUND? ALL I DO IS HE BILL AN OFFICIAL, HE WAS HERE WHEN I GOT HERE. GOTCHA. ALL I KNOW IS HE'S A BUILDING INSPECTOR. HE USED TO BE A PLUMBER WHO'S GONNA DO OUR MANAGE, UH, CARMEN HERE, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE'LL START ATTENDING MEETINGS TO TAKE MINUTES. AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED A NEW, UH, THING ON OUR LIVE STREAM TO WHERE ALL OF THE MEETINGS ARE ACTUALLY HAS A, UH, TYPE TRANSCRIPT OUT THAT WILL BE PREPARED FOR EACH MEETING THAT IS VIDEO RECORDED AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. UM, BUT THERE'LL BE A MANUSCRIPT THAT IS TYPE THAT IS PRINTED OUT TO ALLOW THE ACCURACY OF THE MINUTES. THE, THE CITY COUNCIL'S MINUTES ARE JUST A FUNDAMENTALLY THE ACTED. AND THAT SAID YES OR NO. THEY, THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW OF VERY MANY CITIES THAT DO VERBATIM MINUTES. IT'S USUALLY, IT'S JUST WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN ON THAT ITEM. UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS SPECIFICALLY, I WANT THIS ITEM TO BE SHOWN IN THE RECORD. AND THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE THAT'S THE WAY OUR MINUTES HAVE USUALLY DONE ON ANY, ANY BOARDS THAT I'VE EVER DEALT WITH. THAT'S HOW THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE. NOW Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON OUR PAST MINUTES. WE HAVEN'T HAD MINUTES FOR ABOUT A YEAR. THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. SUSIE. SUSIE, I SAW SUSIE. YEAH. SUSIE'S WORKING ON ALL THE PAST MINUTES SO WE CAN GET ALL OF THOSE DONE AND UPLOADED TO THE INTERNET. AND SO ONE OF THESE NIGHTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE 12 OR 15 SETS OF MINUTES. YEAH, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT USING ANY KIND OF AI TECHNOLOGY TO TAKE MINUTES FOR A MEETING? I DO IT EVERY DAY OF WORK ON TEAMS. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING ON NOW WITH THE TRANSCRIPT. GOTCHA. ANY FURTHER? THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU. WHEN'S THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR COMING IN? SHE STARTS MONDAY. IF SHE'S NOT HERE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK MONDAY MORNING, I'M SITTING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GO FIND HER . THEY MAY BE IN ANOTHER CITY. UH, NOW WHEN WE, WHEN [01:10:01] THE SUBCOMMITTEE GOES TO WORK, WILL SHE BE INVOLVED IN THAT TOO? YES, SIR. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION? WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE JUST CREATED TONIGHT IS WHAT'S THE NEXT ACTION ON IT? WELL, WHAT, SOMEBODY ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WHO WE GOT TWO, THREE AND YOU'RE ON IT TWO, RIGHT? NO, I'M, I'M NOT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE. CAN'T BE, CAN'T BE FOUR. IT'S ONLY THREE. OH, GOTCHA. SOMEBODY AND, AND Y'ALL CONFESSED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE BREAK UP, SOMEBODY WOULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHEN IT'S A GOOD TIME TO MEET WHERE WE COULD MEET SOME, SOMEBODY KEEPS TRACK OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A MEETING AND USUALLY IT'S A DOCUMENT, YOU CAN TAKE THAT DOCUMENT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN YOU BRING A DOCUMENT TO THE COMMISSION, TYPICALLY IS WHERE THAT WORKS. DOES HAVE TO BE PERSONAL. PARDON ME? MEETINGS HAVE TO BE IN PERSON. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IN PERSON? THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PERSON. YES. OR CAN THEY SIT NOW IF THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR YOU, BUT YEAH. CAN'T ZOOM OR GOOGLE MEET OR, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN VIDEO CONFERENCE HIM AT THIS MEETING IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT PARK. I DON'T KNOW. THOSE OF US HAVE BEEN ON SUBCOMMITTEES WHERE WE'VE HAD PAPER FLOATING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE AND LOOKING AT SCREENS AT JIM'S HOUSE. I DON'T THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMMITTEE'S ISSUE. THAT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE ISSUE IN THE PAST. WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. BUT THAT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE ISSUE. YES, SIR. Y'ALL CAN SORT THROUGH THAT QUESTION HERE. ONE THING I WAS ALSO GONNA ENCOURAGE IS YOU, YOU SHOULD NOW HAVE ACCESS TO THE ONLINE DISCUSSION BOARD. SO AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETS, UM, ALTHOUGH THEY CAN, IF YOU CHOOSE, WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN CORN, UM, ON THAT DISCUSSION BOARD. SO IT MIGHT HELP YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS A LITTLE MORE PREPARED, HAVE YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND IT HOPEFULLY WILL LIMIT THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS ARE UP HERE AND HOW SHE CAME UP. SINCE I'VE NOT USED THE DISCUSSION BOARD BEFORE, SINCE I JUST GOT MY ACCIDENT. DO WE, ARE WE NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION BOARD NEEDING OUR ATTENTION OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO GO CHECK OR? YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A SETTING THAT YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND SAY, PLEASE NOTIFY ME WHEN A NEW THREAD IS CREATED. OR YOU CAN ON THE SIDE SAY, UM, PLEASE NOTIFY ME AS COMMENTS. RENEE, UM, STAN WITH IT CAN HELP YOU TO SET THAT. YEAH. STAN, STAN. STAN, EXCUSE ME. NO, NO, GO AHEAD. NO, YOU'RE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY STAN CAN HELP YOU, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S GOOD. UM, SOMETIMES CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL SEND OUT AN EMAIL SAYING, DO NOT RESPOND, BUT I JUST MADE A POST ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. WE HAVE A MOMENT. GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND THAT IS KIND OF A FLAG TO US TO GO IN THERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE 20, 30, 40 COMMENTS WHERE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH HAVING VERY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON SUBCOMMITTEE AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THE FOLLOWING DAY, A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO FOR ME, 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO STAN YESTERDAY, THE DAY BEFORE ABOUT ACCESSING MY CITY EMAIL. AND UM, I'LL ONLY BE RESPONDING AND CHECKING IT ON MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. 'CAUSE IF I TRY AND SET IT UP ON MY PHONE, WHICH I USE FOR WORK, THEN THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO WHATEVER. 'CAUSE THERE WOULD BE CITY INFORMATION READ ON THAT. SO THAT'S NOT HAPPENING IN MY HOUSE. SO FOR ME, I'LL BE LOGGING IN ON A REGULAR BASIS PROBABLY EVERY OTHER DAY TO CHECK MY EMAIL VIA THE INTERNET ON MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU'VE RAISED. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT ABOUT HOW YOU, WHERE WHAT CAN BE SEARCHED, DON, HOW THAT WORKS. SOMETHING. ANY, ANY, ANY PERSONAL DEVICE THAT YOU'VE USED TO ACCESS CITY BUSINESS CAN BE SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW AND ANYTHING ON THERE. EVEN YOUR PERSONAL STUFF. 'CAUSE IT'S TIED TO A CITY, WHATEVER. SO FOR ME, NOT THAT I'VE GOT ANYTHING TO HIDE, BUT I'M A VERY COMPARTMENTALIZED PERSON AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M NOT GONNA [01:15:01] USE MY WORK COMPUTER TO ACCESS ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CITY EMAILING, SO BE MY WIFE'S PERSONAL COMPUTER FOR ALL INTERACTIONS WITH THIS WHERE THERE'S RECORDS KEPT OR EMAILS SENT BACK AND FORTH. ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT, THE REASON WE GAVE EVERYBODY CD EMAIL ADDRESSES IS ALL OF THOSE ARE ARCHIVED. SO ANYTHING THAT IS NEEDED, WE HAVE IT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR PERSONAL ADVICE. WELL, LIKE WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE COMMITTEE OR THE COMMISSION, I CREATED A GMAIL SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, WHICH WHEN I WOULD INTERACT WITH CITY OFFICIALS STILL GETS ARCHIVED BECAUSE THERE'S A CITY OFFICIAL ON THE THREAD. SO, BUT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A AN OFFICIAL CITY EMAIL ADDRESS, I'M NOT GONNA BE ACCESSING IT ON MY PHONE. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND? CORRECT. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT SINCE WE HAVE THE CITY EMAILS NOW AND THERE'S THAT OPEN DISCUSSION FORM, RIGHT? ANYTHING THAT YOU, YOU, ANY DEVICE THAT YOU USE TO ACCESS THAT HAS TO BE REGISTER, YOU'LL REGISTER WITH ZIP THAT I HAVE TO, THEY'LL SEND YOU A CODE AND ALL THAT STUFF. I STARTED WITH MY PHONE AND I'M LIKE, NOW I BACKED OUT. SO I'M ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE DEVICE THAT I USE AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE ACCESS TO MY AMAZON RECORDS. WE ALREADY ADJOURN. NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. YOU NEED A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING. SECOND, THIRD. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THIS IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. WE'RE UP HERE. WE'RE NOT, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN HANG AROUND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.