Oct 09, 2025 Planning and Zoning

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I AM ADJOURNING THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT IS OCTOBER 9TH, AND WE HAVE OUR OUR QUORUM. WE HAVE FRANK ROBBINS, JEFF HEALEY, RACHEL RICH, MYSELF, LINDA AIRD, KATHY KOZA, AND ONLINE, DAVE SCHNEIDER IS JOINING US. ALSO IN ATTENDANCE IS ROB DURBIN, CITY COUNCIL LIAISON, AND CHARLES WEST, CITY MANAGER, WHO IS I UNDERSTAND IS GOING TO BE HANDLING THIS MEETING AND WELL, SAID JORDAN STROHMEYER, THE NEW DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND SO SHE WILL BE HANDLING FUTURE MEETINGS OF THE PMC. BUT THIS MEETING, I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. WEST, OUR CITY MANAGER, IS STILL GOING TO BE DOING THE. OH NO, SHE'S HERE.

SHE HAS FREE REIN TO COMMENT. SO LET'S START WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS. DID ANYONE TURN IN A CITIZEN COMMENT FORM? I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY. OKAY THEN DO WE HAVE A ANY REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF? EITHER APART FROM APART FROM WELCOMING JORDAN STROHMEYER, THE NEW DIRECTOR, APART FROM A BIG WELCOME. AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITY STAFF REPORT? NO. YOU GOT A PRETTY

[III.2. Routine Reports from City Council Liaison.]

WE WANT TO GET ON. THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL'S REQUESTED THAT WE GET ON THE ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA, PREFERABLY SOON. DISCUSSED WHETHER HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS SHOULD STAY A SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, OR THEY SHOULD CHANGE TO BECOME VARIANCES. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BEFORE WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION WATCH THE LAND USE FUNDAMENTALS VIDEO THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY PUT OUT BY BAUCUS'S LAW FIRM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST UP TO DATE. AND HE VERY MUCH GOES INTO DETAIL SPECIFICALLY ON THAT TOPIC. SO I THINK BEFORE WE BEFORE WE ADDRESS IT, WE SHOULD ALL WATCH THAT VIDEO. AND I THINK THAT IT WILL BE UP TO THE CITY TO MAKE THAT VIDEO AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSIONERS LATER. YEAH. OKAY.

WELL, I THINK THE CITY'S GOTTA PROBABLY PAY FOR FOR LETTING EACH OF US, SO I DON'T I THINK IT'S IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MONEY AND A LINK. YOU LEARN ABOUT IT IN CLASS. I WATCHED IT BECAUSE I SIGNED UP FOR IT AND I WATCHED IT, AND SO DID, DIDN'T YOU, JEFF? YEAH. SO. SO HAVING WATCHED IT, I THOUGHT THAT HE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT. AND HE MADE A

[IV. CONSENT AGENDA]

APPROVED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED OR VISITED THE MEETING. THEY JUST NEED TO BE APPROVED. I BELIEVE THEY'RE SO LATE IN BEING APPROVED BECAUSE OF SHORTAGES OF STAFF TO GET THEM PREPARED, OF COURSE. AND SO THEN WOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE QUITE A FEW MORE OF THESE COME THROUGH? YES. OKAY. SUSIE QUINN HAS BEEN WORKING ON DOING LATE, YOU KNOW, OLD, OLD MINUTES FOR A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS AND OTHER THINGS. SHE'S SHE'S DOING A LOT, BUT SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THESE. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. SHE'S SHE IS PROVIDING A VERY VALUABLE SERVICE IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CATCH UP, A LOT OF CATCH UP WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE A LOT, I THINK. I HOPE WE CAN KEEP HER FOR A YEAR.

PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT LONG. WELL, 11 MONTHS. IT'S AN AWFUL EXPENSIVE PERSON TO BE DOING MINUTES, BUT SHE IS GETTING THEM CALLED UP FOR ALL MY BOARDS. SHE MAY BE EXPENSIVE,

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WON'T GET AN ARGUMENT OUT OF ME ON THAT ONE. OKAY, OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? CAN WE CAN WE APPROVE, SAY, EACH ONE, BUNDLE THEM, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO EACH ONE SEPARATELY? DO YOU DO YOU NOT WANT TO BUNDLE THEM? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN. DO YOU WANT TO PULL ONE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PULL ONE, WE CAN BUNDLE THEM. AND YOU DO IT ALL AT ONCE. SO. OKAY, SO. I WOULD. OKAY. YOU'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WAS PROBABLY HERE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE. IS IT THE MINUTES CONSENT AGENDA.

THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE MEETING MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 8TH, 2020. FOR THE MEETING MINUTES.

THE MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 14TH, 2024. AND THE PNC COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF JANUARY 11TH, 2024. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S

[V.1. Consideration and possible action on a site development plan approval from Ameri Tex Builders for a project located at 7303 Spanish Oak Dr Lago Vista, Texas. Project 23-2765 (Lots 1177-1178 Lago Vista Estates, section four, a subdivision in Travis County, Texas, according to plat as recorded in Volume 47, page 71 of the Plat of Records of Travis County, Texas and Lots 1179-1182, Lago Vista Estates, section five, a subdivision in Travis County, Texas according to plat as recorded in Volume 48, page 81 of the Plat of Records of Travis County, Texas save and except a 0.o12 acre tract conveyed to Travis County by instrument of record in Volume 11391, page 771 of the deed records of Travis County, Texas.)]

SAVE AND ACCEPT A 0.012 ACRE TRACT CONVEYED TO TRAVIS COUNTY BY INSTRUMENT OF RECORD IN VOLUME 11391, PAGE SEVEN SEVEN. ONE OF THE DEED RECORDS OF TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS. MR. WEST, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE A STAFF REPORT? MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS PROJECT, I THINK I PUT IT IN MY REPORT HOW THEY GOT STARTED WITHOUT ALL OF THE EVERYTHING BEING DONE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S ON ME BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY STAFF EVERYTHING HAD BEEN DONE. AND WHEN WE SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS AND ALL, I TOLD THEM THAT I DIDN'T KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE TO HOLD THEM UP, BUT THEY DID. THEY HAVE ADHERED TO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE WENT OUT AND TOLD THEM REGARDING THE SITE. THEN I THINK WE'VE SHUT IT DOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES AND LET THEM GO BACK, BECAUSE WE FIGURED OUT IT IS PROPERLY ZONED. ALL OF THE LOTS WERE PROPERLY PLATTED.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS RAISED, CONCERNS OF NOW, I THINK SOME OTHER CONCERNS HAVE BEEN RAISED NOW THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF UNTIL TONIGHT. BUT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM AMERITECH'S IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. JIMMY, THAT'S THAT'S YOUR CUE. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO WOULD YOU LIKE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. OH, BASICALLY WE TURNED IT IN ON 11 2424 AND THEN IT WENT TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. OKAY. WE TURN YOU GOT TO GET CLOSER TO IT. OKAY. WE TURNED IT IN ON 1124 OF 24. AND THEN IT WENT TO THE I GUESS IT WENT TO Y'ALL'S THIRD PARTY ENGINEER. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY APPROVED IT ON THE THEY APPROVED IT. ON SEVEN 125. AND THEN WE CALLED THE CITY TO SEE IF THE PERMITS WERE READY. WE TALKED TO CHARLES AND WE THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD TO GO. SO WE STARTED AND THEN WE GOT STOPPED AND THEN WE STARTED AGAIN. SO ARE YOU CURRENTLY STOPPED OR ARE YOU CURRENTLY WORKING? WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING. CURRENTLY WORKING BECAUSE THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE HOLES IN THE GROUND AND TRENCHES DUG. OKAY. JIMMY, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR PROJECT EXACTLY IS. SINCE IT'S. WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS GOING THERE. YEAH, 3500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AND 6000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE.

CONVENIENCE STORE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A SITE PLAN OR. YES, WE DO, WE DO THAT. WE HAVE ALL THAT. YEAH. AND JUST JUST SO THE AUDIENCE CAN HEAR. IS THERE GOING TO BE A GAS STATION

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THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT COME TO ME. NUMBER ONE, ALL THE FIGURES AND COUNTS THAT THEY TALK ON OVER THESE 5060 PAGES. THOSE FIGURES ARE BASED ON OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC TRAFFIC COUNTS.

DO THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S BEING BUILT AT FIREFLY NOW, AND WHAT'S BEING BUILT AT ALL THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTING THAT TRAFFIC ON LOMAN? MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THIS STORE IS GOING TO GET BUILT AND THE RESTAURANT'S GOING TO GET BUILT, AND THEN A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW, THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO GET STUCK PUTTING IN A $400,000 TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO BASED ON ITS LOCATION AND THE CURVATURES OF THE ROAD, I'M A REGULAR AT SUN HARDWARE. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET OUT OF THERE. I'M ASKING IF THESE FIGURES WERE BASED ON FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, OR IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT REVIEW WAS DONE PRIOR TO MY TIME. IF I RECOLLECT. I THINK THEY JUST LOOK AT CURRENT. THEY DON'T TAKE INTO ANYTHING FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. I DON'T THINK THEY CAN. THEY DON'T BECAUSE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. SO THEY DON'T COUNT THAT. I DO KNOW THAT SUN HARDWARE, THEY HAVE A TURN. THEY DON'T HAVE A TURNING LANE. WE HAVE A TURNING LANE. AND IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CROSS. WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE FRONT PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT. BUT THE TWO SIDE ROADS IS WHERE PEOPLE WILL COME OUT TO CROSS TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S TOUGH TO DO. SO IF FIREFLY IS GOING TO BUILD X NUMBER OF HOUSES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, DOES THIS PROJECT TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT? AND IF IT DOESN'T, IS THE CITY OKAY WITH ONCE THOSE HOMES ARE ALL BUILT AND LOHMAN BECOMES DANGEROUS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC COUNT HAVING PUT IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. IF I IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING, DAVE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF FIREFLY AS THOSE 325 HOMES AND RIGHT NEXT TO IT ON LOHMAN HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR ANOTHER 338 HOMES AT LOHMAN AND BUGGY. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IT'S NOT JUST 325 FIREFLY.

YEAH, IT'S THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE. IT'S 338 PLUS 325. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS ALL THAT BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? I CAN'T DRINK IT SHOULDN'T BE. IT SHOULDN'T BE. WHAT OUR REGULATIONS REQUIRE IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM OR NOT. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. IT'S OKAY IN MY OPINION. I'VE READ THEM BEFORE.

THE CITY MANAGER'S INDICATED THAT OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT. IT'S ALSO SOME ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK INTO WITH CHAPTER 11 AND THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. SO I THINK THE ISSUE OF DEALING WITH OTHERS DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF SCOPE WITH WHETHER THIS PROJECT IS APPROVABLE OR NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT, DAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, I THINK THAT MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I'M WONDERING, SO ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY APPLICANT INFORMATION IS JOHN DOE JOHN DOE CONTACT JOHN DOE PHONE NUMBER 555 JOHN DOE. THAT IS THE WAY THEY PUT IT IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. WHY THEY DID IT THAT WAY, I CANNOT ANSWER. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

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YEP. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE GETTING AWAY FROM THAT SOFTWARE AND GOING WITH A DIFFERENT VENDOR. THIS THIS THIS IS THE ACCURATE INFORMATION. I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SPANISH OAK FROM WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING ARE RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT RIGHT? THERE ARE EXISTING HOMES. YES. WHAT WILL THOSE HOMES SEE WHEN THOSE HOMEOWNERS WALK OUT OF THEIR FRONT DOOR? CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT WILL BE A PLEASING EXPERIENCE WORKING ON THE. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE BUILDING RENTS RIGHT NOW.

WE SHOULD HAVE THEM IN LIKE A WEEK AND THEN WE CAN TURN THEM IN. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE NICE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE JUST WILL THERE BE ANY BUFFER OF ANY KIND. YES. THERE'S LANDSCAPING. THERE'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN. I THINK IT GOES ALONG THE WHOLE BACK. OKAY.

SO IT SHOULD BE THE LAST PAGE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THAT AND THE TREES, IF YOU HAVE THE TREE MITIGATION AGREEMENTS ON PAGE 35 IT'S CLOSE TO THE LAST PAGE I THINK PAGE 27 I THINK 28. PAGE 195 IN THE BACK. OKAY. I SHOULD SAY LAST PAGE. OKAY. IS THAT FROM THE BACK? IT'S FROM THE PACKET. THAT'S ALL THE WAY. DOWN. IS THERE ANY FENCING PLANNED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR SERVE AS A BARRIER. BUT WE'RE WILLING TO ADD IT BACK ON THE CAR WASH. THEY WANTED US TO ADD ONE ON THE CAR WASH. WE'RE NOT ABOUT TO TRY TO GET A PERMIT FOR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S A CAR WASH. YEAH. NOT ON THIS ONE. NO, ON ANOTHER ONE. AND THEY, WE ADDED A FENCE TO THE BACK OF THE BRONCO. THE BRONCO. BRONCO. OKAY, I HAD A QUESTION OR JUST AN OBSERVATION ABOUT IT. HAD THIS COME BEFORE US, WE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY LOOKED AT THAT AND LOOKED AT THE HOMES THAT ARE ON SPANISH OAK BECAUSE THE FRONT, THEIR HOUSES FACE THE BACK SIDE OF YOURS AND PROBABLY ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE SCREENING AND BUSHES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

WE'RE WILLING TO DO WORK ON THEM OR SCREENING OR SCREENING. WELL, THAT WELL, WE GET EVEN A COURTESY TO THEIR CAMERAS OFF. HEY, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, YES, YOUR MICROPHONES ARE ON.

OUR MICROPHONES ARE OFF. YES, YOUR MICROPHONES ARE ON. YES. SUPPOSED TO BE MEETING IN THE MEETING. MEETING STARTED AT 6:00. IT'S GONNA MAKE A MISTAKE TO. OKAY, BUT YES, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL, SCREENING ANYTHING OR CHANGING THE LANDSCAPING. THE OTHER THING, TOO, WAS I LOOKED AT THE TREE SURVEY OF THE ONES THAT WERE TAKEN OUT AND THE ONES THAT ARE THERE AND AND SO THERE'S A DISCREPANCY THERE IN ADDITION TO THE LARGE OAKS ON RIDGEVIEW, WHICH YOU'VE COMPLETELY CUT INTO THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE ROOT FLARE, HOW ARE YOU MITIGATING THAT? BECAUSE THOSE TREES WON'T LAST. THEY'RE SAYING THEY WILL. OH, ONCE WE GET THE WALL BUILT AND THE GRAVEL PUT BACK IN AND THE DIRT BACK AROUND THEM, WE'RE LIKE, I THINK 6 OR 7FT AWAY FROM THEM. WELL, I WOULDN'T BET ON THAT. BUT TYPICALLY, DO YOU HAVE AN ARBORIST THAT SAID THAT. YEAH, WE CAN GET ONE. YEAH. I MEAN I WOULD I MEAN IF THOSE ONES BECAUSE TYPICALLY I MEAN, AND I'VE BEEN ON OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY'VE DONE SIMILAR THINGS AND PRETTY MUCH THEY DIED WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONCE YOU'RE BUILT AND IT'S GONE AND THE TREE DIES, THEN THERE'S NO WELL, WE'RE NOT SELLING THE PLACE. WE'RE KEEPING IT. KEEPING IT. OKAY. SO THAT ACTUALLY OPENING THE RESTAURANT. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE TREE MITIGATION, THE ONES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE IN DISTRESS BECAUSE OF THE BIG HOLES. YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS, WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE BUFFERING BETWEEN THAT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEHIND THE OLD SPANISH, SO THAT THE TREE WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO STOP, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE WALL BUILT AND THE THE GROUND AROUND IT STABILIZED AND SOME WATER. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE READY TO POUR CONCRETE ON THAT POND SO WE CAN BACKFILL IT BACK WITH DIRT. THEY'RE POURING CONCRETE. WE ARE READY TO, BUT WE GOT STOPPED. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR CHECKLIST QUESTIONS? WELL, YES, BUT I'M TRYING TO. I'M. I CAN'T

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AND THE ANSWER IS THEY HAVE TO REPLACE. RIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU REPLACE A TEN INCH PLUS TREE. AND THE REGS DON'T SPEAK TO THAT. SO IF IT DIES YOU'RE GOING TO YOU MIGHT HAVE AN INTERESTING PROBLEM BECAUSE A BUNCH OF US ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT THEY THEY THERE IS A REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT IF THEY DIE, I BELIEVE IT'S SO MANY PER INCH THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE PER CALIPER INCH. YEAH, PER CALIBER. AND WE ADDED A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE NEEDED TO. YEAH. NO SIR YOU DIDN'T. WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT NOT FOR THE NOT IF THAT ONE DIES. BUT WE ADDED EXTRAS. IN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. SO YOU ARE INTENDING TO REPLACE WITH YOUR PLANNING NEW. WE ADDED IF YOU SEE THE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IF I CAN. I THINK THIS IS A WHOLE NOTHER. THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP.

RIGHT. IT'S BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN AND CUTTING THESE TREES THAT ARE 50, 80, 100 YEARS OLD. YEAH, THINGS ARE SLAPPING UP SOME LITTLE LEGACY TREE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE INCH. YEAH. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T REPLACE WHAT YOU JUST CUT DOWN. IT'S NOT OKAY. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WANTS IT, AND THEY'RE GETTING AWAY WITH IT. YEAH, I KNOW WHEN I SERVED IN FLOWER MOUND, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DID MAKE DEVELOPERS COME IN. IF THEY DID CUT DOWN A LOT OR LEGACY OR WHAT WE CALL THEM, DIFFERENT SPECIMEN OAKS OR WHATEVER THEY WERE THAT THEY HAD TO EITHER REPLACE IN KIND OR YOU PAID A PRETTY HEFTY FEE FOR HAVING KILLED THOSE TREES. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE YET, BUT I KNOW THAT WE DO STILL HAVE HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING MORE THOUGHT AND WORK TO THE TREE ORDINANCE TREE ORDINANCES. SO BUT TODAY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN EFFECT TODAY. I CAN'T FIND IT NOW. SO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO. YES, MA'AM. YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

YEAH, I PASSED OUT. AND YOU'VE GOT WHAT I CALL A CHECKLIST, AND IT'S. HAVE YOU CHANGED IT? HAVE YOU CHANGED IT FROM WHAT YOU HAD GIVEN US PREVIOUSLY? IS. THIS IS THIS IS THE ONE THAT I CALL THE ONE? NO, IT'S I PASSED IT OUT TONIGHT. SO YOU HAVE COMMENTS. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE CHAIR YOUR POINT IS THE CHAIR. AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, AND I KICKED OUT TO YOU A CHECKLIST. THIS IS THE LATEST CHECKLIST. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. IS THIS THE LATEST. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. AND IT'S IT'S 2 OR 3 PAGES IN FUNDAMENTALLY I MEAN THE TWO ISSUES THAT I THINK THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE. AND I'LL ADDRESS HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THINGS WHEN WE GET TO 6105 WHEN IT VIOLATES THE CITY CODE? I THINK THEY'RE SHORT FIVE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THEY'RE COUNTING A GAS STATION FACES. WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. THEY'RE COUNTING PARKING SPACE AT A GAS STATION AT A AT A GAS PUMP AS PART OF THEIR REQUIRED PARKING. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT COUNTS. HOWEVER,

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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT STANDARDS, IT'S ONE SPACE FOR 100FT■S FOR THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AREA. IT'S NOT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE BUILDING. THAT'S THE YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE KITCHEN, THE BATHROOMS STUFF. THAT'S NOT WHERE PEOPLE SIT FUNDAMENTALLY. AND SO THERE'S A WORKOUT FOR BEING FIVE SHORT, BUT YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THERE IN THOSE SPACES THAT NEED PARKING SPACES. YEAH. ALL I'M SAYING IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS. I THINK BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IT'S IN.

SECTION 7.3 A AND C OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE DESCRIBES A PARKING FOR RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS. RESTAURANTS DO NOT REQUIRE PARKING EXCEPT FOR THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AREA. OKAY.

AND I THINK I PUT THAT IN, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE. HERE'S THE HERE'S A BIGGER I THINK THAT'S A WORKOUT BETWEEN THE STAFF AND AND WHATEVER TO DETERMINE IF THEY'RE REALLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARK FOR 3500FT■S. OKAY. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS TREES FOR ME IS TREES ON LOWMAN. I THINK YOUR THREE TREES SHORT ON LOWMAN. OKAY, WE'RE WILLING TO ADD SEVERAL MORE TREES. SO IT COULD BE THREE. SEVERAL MORE, THERE'S THREE. WE'LL ADD MORE THAN THREE. I KNOW AT LEAST THREE. AT LEAST THREE. WELL.

TECHNICALLY, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES ONE TREE FOR EVERY 40 SQUARE, 40 LINEAR FEET. MADE IT A GOOD JOB OF TELLING US HOW MANY LINEAR FEET THEY HAVE. YEAH, SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO MEASURE IT. BUT IN ANY CASE, WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES IS ONE TREE FOR EVERY 40 LINEAR FEET OF STREET FRONTAGE, AND THE AREA IN FRONT OF THEIR GAS PUMPS IS THE AREA. THEY'RE SHORT. OKAY. AND IF YOU HAD THREE IN MY IN AS A CONDITION, MADAM CHAIR, POTENTIALLY CONDITION TO GET IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, WE COULD APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY ADD THREE TREES SEPARATED BY AT LEAST 20 LINEAR FEET, WHICH IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES IN THAT AREA IN FRONT OF THE GAS PUMPS. THEY'VE GOT A THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE, I BELIEVE, MADAM CHAIR, THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LANDSCAPE PLAN, EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE AREA. IT'S JUST IT'S AN INTERESTING PHENOMENA. NOW, IF I MIGHT. YES, ONE. AND I KNOW YOU AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S ADDRESS. THIS IS THIS CONFUSING BUILDING PERMITTING, WITH SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE THE FIRST PART OF 6.105 SAYS, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S ORDINANCES, THAT'S THE FIRST SECTION OF 6.105. AND SO WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THE CHECKLIST IS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR CITY CODE TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN ACCORDANCE WITH. AND I FOUND A COUPLE OF PLACES. HOW DO YOU FIX THE SITUATION IN WHICH A 6.105 REVIEW, THEY'RE NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WE CANNOT APPROVE. THAT'S A ZBA. ISSUE. WITH ME ON THAT. SO I THINK THE PARKING CAN GET FIXED WITH ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE THE BUILDING PERMITTING, BECAUSE

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AS DAVID MENTIONED, TO GET TO THE SIDEWALKS SO THEY CAN TURN THE WAY THEY WANT TO, AND THEY GET TO LOWER. AND I JUST THAT BOTHERS ME THAT WE HAVE THAT MUCH EXTRA TRAFFIC ON THE RESIDENTIAL ROAD THERE, PLUS DELIVERIES PLUS. YES, DELIVERIES. CAN YOU THINK OF ANY WAY THIS COULD BE REDESIGNED TO TAKE SOME OF THAT IMPACT OFF OF THOSE RESIDENTS? WE CAN'T RESEND IT BACK TO THE PRESENT BECAUSE IT'S IT WENT THROUGH THE WE'VE ALREADY DUG EVERYTHING OUT TO WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED LIKE THAT. IF WE CHANGE ANYTHING, IT'LL CHANGE THE WATER QUALITY. WE'LL HAVE TO TRY TO REDIRECT THE WATER, BUT WE CAN'T PUT LIKE, SIGNS. NO PARKING BACK THERE ALONG THE STREET. SO NOBODY PARKS ON THE STREET. BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN CONTROL PARKING ON THE STREET IS THE CITY. BECAUSE THAT IS A CITY OWNED STREET. WE CAN LANDSCAPE IT WITH ROCKS AND KEEP ON PARKING IT. THAT'S RIGHT ON THE STREET. WHEN? WHEN WAS IT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, WHEN WAS ITS OWN C1-C.

IT'S BEEN ZONED. I DID LOOK UP THAT ORDINANCE. IT WAS DONE IN TWO. 11, 2014. I KNOW, JULY 10TH. YEAH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE EVER SINCE WE BOUGHT IT. SO IT'S IN THE PACKET. WELL, THERE'S TALKS ABOUT IT WAS ZONED C-1. THE ORDINANCE ON THAT DATE IN 2024. WELL NO I SIGNED OFF. NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. ON 20. IT WAS ZONED WELL BEFORE THAT. THE ZONING IS WAY BACK THERE BECAUSE WE FOUND THE ORDINANCE AND I, I THOUGHT I HAD INCLUDED IT IN THE PACKET BECAUSE IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. YEAH, WE HAD ON THE INFORMATION. YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE TWO YEARS AND IT'S ALWAYS YES, IT'S ONE DASH 11 IS DONE IN 2001. WOW. 2001 IS WHEN IT WAS REZONED. CAN I JUMP IN AND ASK EITHER CHARLES OR JORDAN? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE BACKSIDE OF THE PARKING SITUATION OR LIKE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES TO.

ON THE BACKSIDE THERE, YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE HOMEOWNERS ACROSS THE STREET THERE THAT. LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS THAT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T. THAT LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING BUFFER THAT'S BACK THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MITIGATE PARKING, AS YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE A GOOD DETERRENT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PARK THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THERE. RIGHT. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD TRY AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, RIGHT, TO MITIGATE IT. SO THE WAY THAT THE SITE PLAN LOOKS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT POSTING SIGNS WHICH ARE HERE MISS EFFECTIVENESS. ANYWAYS, BOULDERS ARE PRETTY GOOD ALTERNATIVE. MOST STANDARD VEHICLES WILL NOT TRY TO GO NEAR BOULDER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITE GRADING IS. IF THERE IS A DITCH, IF IT'S HARD TO ACCESS, SOME OF THAT WOULD

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NO? WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO. THINK OF WHAT CAN BE DONE TO. TO MAKE IT MORE VISUALLY APPEALING. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH FENCE, WITHOUT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THE SITE, WOULD BE INSIDE TRIANGLES ON THOSE DRIVES. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SEND SOME OF THE THE DRIVE.

I NOTICED AT LEAST BEING AROUND TOWN, THERE'S A LOT OF SITE TRIANGLE ISSUES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BOULDERS ARE LOWER. THEY DON'T WALK USE TREES. I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY USED TO AS FAR AS BEING SAFE RIGHT NOW, DOESN'T THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE OBSCURE, POTENTIALLY MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES? JUST TO ME THERE'S THOSE ARE TWO ISSUES. ONE IS JUST THE HOW VISUALLY APPEALING IT IS FOR THE RESIDENTS TO LOOK OUT THEIR FRONT DOOR, WHAT THEY SEE, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC IS A SECOND ISSUE. AND ACTUALLY, TO ME, THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC ARE SEPARATE ISSUES. YOU KNOW, THOSE DRIVES BACK THERE, THEY BOTHER ME A LOT. ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO CRUMBLE IN FRONT OF THOSE HOMES. WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT IN FRONT OF A HOME. THEY'RE IN FRONT OF EMPTY LOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE TRAFFIC WILL GO BY THE HOMES AS THEY GO TO THE SIDE STREETS. MADAM CHAIR, CAN I ASK A COMMISSIONERS QUESTION RELATED TO THE BUFFERING OR THE VISUAL WITH FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE HOMES BEHIND AND WILL PERMIT IT TO BE BUILT? AND FOR THE NEW STAFF, ARE YOU LET ME START WITH THE NEW STAFF, IF THAT'S OKAY. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PERFORMANCE ZONING, THE BOOK? I DO RECALL A BIT. YES.

WELL. TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE. IS THAT GOING TO WORK FOR YOU? THAT'S MY QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THEY THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD SET OF SCREENING TREES BACK THERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE. RIGHT. BUT THE CONCERN IS, I THINK I HEAR SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE PUT IN. AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY? I AGREE, I AGREE WITH YOU. AND THE SIX FOOT FENCE IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. BUT BASED ON WHAT JORDAN SAID THAT SHE'S VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SIGHT LINES AND AND THE TRIANGLES AND IT MAY BE A NON-ISSUE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THE SITE WELL ENOUGH TO SAY IF THERE IS A ISSUE WITH THE SIDE TRIANGLES OUT THERE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS MADE, STAFF WILL CHECK. AND ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD ENSURE THAT THOSE TRIANGLES ARE MET. SO WE DON'T HAVE POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE US WITH WITH THE COMMISSION, BE COMFORTABLE WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT CONDITIONS THE APPROVAL ON A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AND THE THREE TREES AT LEAST 20FT APART, BUT WITH THE RIGHT, PARDON ME AND THE BOULDERS, BUT BUT THE PRIVACY FENCE TO BE DETERMINED TO BE DETERMINED BY ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS SO THAT IF THAT IS A IF THEY IF OUR ENGINEERS FIND IT VIABLE, THEN IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT. BUT IF THE CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T FIND IT VIABLE, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THE CONDITION WOULD BE WAIVED. WOULD THAT BE A ACCEPTABLE. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SIX FOOT FENCE AND AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. ARE WE SAYING EIGHT FOOT FENCE? THANK YOU. SORRY I HAD TO. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, ARE WE SAYING THAT AN

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YEAH. THE WHOLE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE MARKING STUCCO. EXCEPT THIS OF COURSE, THIS ONE AREA FOR THE GAS PUMPS IS THEN PEOPLE WILL SEE THROUGH THE TREES AND AND SEE THE GAS PUMPS.

YEAH. YOU CAN ADD TREES AROUND THERE TOO IF WE NEED TO. MAYBE THAT'S THE SECTION WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE THE FENCE. JUST. WALK OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR AND SEE GAS PUMPS. ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR SALE. THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING.

WELL, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, THERE ARE I THINK THERE'S 3 OR 4 HOUSES ON THAT STREET AND THAT'S IT. SO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BUILD AFTER THIS IS. YEAH. THANK. WE BUILD A LOT OF HOMES. WE PROBABLY BUILT 50. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.

WE ALWAYS CHECK OUR YOU KNOW WE CHECK TO SEE IS THERE COMMERCIAL. BUY IT WHEN WE BUY THE LOT I MEAN SURE WHEN ANYBODY GOES TO SPEND MONEY ON BUYING SOMETHING, WE USUALLY DO THE RESEARCH WITH THE LANDS AROUND US. IS IT COMMERCIAL? WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE RIGHT THERE. WE DON'T BUY IT THEN. IT'S NEVER STOPPED US FROM BUYING A LOT RIGHT BY COMMERCIAL. BUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE KNOW IT'S COMMERCIAL, OKAY. WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR LOT. YES. THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS EIGHT FEET WHEN YOU'RE ADJACENT.

TECHNICALLY, THIS IS NOT ADJACENCY BECAUSE THERE'S A STREET, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT 6.105 THAT SAYS WE CAN ADD CONDITIONS. SO MAYBE EIGHT FEET. AND THE ISSUES CAN ALSO GOING TO BE THE TREES ARE GOING TO BE THE REALLY THE REAL SCREENING DEVICE OVER TIME. AND SHRUB SHRUBBERY TREES. AND SO I THINK THE POINT WOULD BE WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO IS WE COULD GO TO CONDITION TO ADD AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING FENCE ALONG. THAT STREET. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE MORE MORE TREES AND SHRUBS VERSUS I AGREE BECAUSE WHO WANTS ORGANIC I DON'T THINK THEY'D LIKE TO SEE. I AGREE WITH THAT. WALKING OUT

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WELL IT DOES SAY THAT THEY WILL. YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE FENCE IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FEED OF SCREENING. YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT. THE TREES ARE ABOVE THAT. HOW MUCH BETTER IS A FENCE THAN THE BACK OF A CONVENIENCE STORE? WELL, I'M THINKING MORE OF THE FENCE ALONG THE GAS PUMPS. I WOULD BE OKAY. MAYBE WITH THE BACK OF THE STORE ITSELF BEING SEEN BY THE RESIDENTS IF IT WAS AN APPEALING EXTERIOR. IN FACT, AND I WOULD NOT WANT A FENCE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF A, OF A, OF AN OCCUPIED STRUCTURE, THAT'S, GENERALLY SPEAKING, NOT THAT'S GENERALLY SPEAKING, A FIRE HAZARD WHICH FIRES. SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FENCE ALONG THERE ON SPANISH OF INSIDE THE TREES. TO BLOCK THE GAS PUMPS AND THEN PERHAPS OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE PARKING IS BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT AND THE STORE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHEREVER IT IS NEEDED AND WILL WORK FOR US.

OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD GO ALONG WITH. YES. I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE VISUALLY.

YEAH. JUST HAVE SHRUBS AND TREES. YEAH I AGREE. YEAH. I THINK IT'LL LOOK BETTER PART OF A FENCE AND THEN IT'LL BE A DRIVEWAY AND THEN IT'LL BE SHRUBS AND TREES AND BOULDERS THE WHOLE WAY, AND THEN IT'LL BE PART OF A FENCE AND JUST I JUST DON'T KNOW, I DO TOO. I'M MUCH MORE INCLINED TO GO WITH TREES, SHRUBBERY, BUSHES THAN A FENCE. I. IN MY PAST LIFE, I GOT PERMITS TO BUILD AND. PUT OIL ROADS IN CITIES UP IN THE BARNETT SHALE. YES. AND WE WERE IN A. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY REQUIRED US TO DO WAS HEDGE HEDGES. AND THEY UP THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER HEDGE WOULD BE DOWN HERE, BUT THEY'RE THEY'VE ALWAYS ORDERED US TO PUT IN RED CHIPS FOR KIDS AND, AND YOU KNOW THAT PROBABLY PRETTIER THAN A FENCE. YOU COULDN'T SEE THROUGH IT ANY BETTER THAN YOU COULD ADVANCE. JUST A SUGGESTION. AND THOSE ARE VERY THOSE ARE VERY PRETTY, ARE THEY, DEAR? THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO I KNOW WHEN WE DID THAT BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THAT TOO, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SAYING THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DID. YEAH. NO, SOMEBODY SAID THAT. BUT WE ALSO MADE THEM HIDE THE SAID OIL. ONE OF THEM LOOKED LIKE A WINDMILL. ONE OF THEM LOOKED LIKE AN OIL DERRICK. WE DID OTHER THINGS.

WE HAD STRUCTURES AROUND THEM THAT MADE IT LOOK BETTER SO THAT YOU COULD HIDE THOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE ADJACENT TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. I THINK IN THIS CASE, I, I'M TRYING TO ENVISION FENCE. FENCE NO, FENCE ROCKS. I THINK IT LOOKS JUMBLED, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE PARK LIKE IN THIS INSTANCE WHERE YOU DO HAVE THOSE SHRUBS. I WOULDN'T DO RED TAPE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SHRUBS THAT ARE EVERGREEN AND PRETTY AND AND WILL HELP TO FILL IN THAT AND, AND THEN HAVE THOSE TREES BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOU'RE SAYING NOTHING BELOW EIGHT FEET.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY MET THE REQUIREMENTS AND YOUR CANOPY. YOU'RE AT READING. IT'S TINY.

BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FILL UP, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN THAT THOSE OAKS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON PLANTING AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WILL LOOK BETTER AND SOFTEN THAT ALSO MORE NOISE ATTENUATION THAN YOU WOULD WITH A FENCE. SO SO YOU'VE GOT MORE HARDSCAPE ON HARDSCAPE ON HARDSCAPE. AND I LIKE THE THE LANDSCAPING FOR SOFT SCAPE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO A NOISE. IT HELPS WITH THAT. SO DAVE DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO GIVE ME ONE MORE CHANCE? YES. ALL RIGHT I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE BEHIND THAT STORE WOULD PROBABLY RATHER SEE LANDSCAPING THAN A WALL. I KNOW

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WE. WHATEVER MISTAKES WERE MADE IN THE PAST, HOWEVER, WE GOT TO THIS POINT, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

I THINK THAT WE ARE DOING THIS CITY A DISSERVICE. AND FRANK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS. I'M JUST GOING TO VOCALIZE THIS NOW SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT. I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING THE CITY DISSERVICE BY LOOKING AT OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ONLY THROUGH 2025 BUILD OUT, BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE STORE IS DONE AND 600 MORE HOUSES GET BUILT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THERE. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO PAY FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR WHO'S BUILDING THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN, WHEN YOU BUILD A SECTION OF HOMES OR YOU BUILD, YOU BUILD COMMERCIAL, THEY LOOK AHEAD AND IF IT'S GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, AND I AND I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, FRANK, YOU PROBABLY CORRECT ME ON THIS.

YOU'VE GOT MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE, BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING THREE MONTHS AHEAD INTO A YEAR WHERE WE'RE BUILDING NOTHING. AND WHAT POTENTIALLY IS GOING TO BE ON LOMAN FORD OVER THE NEXT 1 TO 5 YEARS. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS THERE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS THEM THROUGH TONIGHT.

WE'VE MADE MISTAKES TO GET TO THIS POINT. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO BETTER AS A COMMISSION, AS A CITY COUNCIL, AND FOR THE BUILDERS THEMSELVES. THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM TEXAS, I THINK I THINK HE NEEDS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL. SO THAT'S JUST MY SOAPBOX ADDRESS.

THE REST OF IT. I GET FRANK'S POINT. IF HE'S MET THE REQUIREMENTS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO PASS IT THROUGH. WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THIS OTHER STUFF LATER. I'M JUST VOICING IT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC BACK ROADS IN. DAVE, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. THE INTERSECTION AT LOMAN AND BOGGY IS GOING TO BE VASTLY IMPROVED, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID PARTLY BY THE LUNAR RIDGE AND PARTLY BY THE FIREFLY COVE DEVELOPERS AND WHATEVER OTHER DEVELOPER ENDS UP GOING ON THE THE EAST SIDE OF THAT IS THAT IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION GOING TO ALLAY SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? NO. NO, I THINK OUR TRAFFIC VOLUME COMING FROM LOWMAN, ALL THE WAY FROM POINT VENTURE, ALL THE WAY TO 1431, IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. AND FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT I'VE SAT ON VARIOUS COMMISSIONS ARE ALL OUR CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRAFFIC GETTING IN AND OUT. WELL, NOW WE'RE INTRODUCING TWO MORE DRIVEWAYS WITH CROSS TRAFFIC FROM A RESTAURANT AND A CONVENIENCE STORE, AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET HARDER AND HARDER. AND THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY TOUGH CORNERS. AND MY CONCERN IS THE ACCIDENTS TO BEGIN WITH. BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE BACKING UP ON THOSE STREETS. THEY TALK ABOUT VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IN THE QUEUE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SITTING THERE WAITING 50S TO GET OUT, AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY GET IMPATIENT AND THEY START FORCING THINGS. AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO BETTER THAN TO JUST LOOK THREE MONTHS AHEAD AT WHAT'S BEING BUILT. AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

MAYBE, LIKE WE SAY, LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING, THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH. NOW I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD. WE NEED TO DO BETTER BECAUSE IT'S COMING. AND WE TALK ABOUT MAKING CORRECTIONS. WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING FOR FUTURE GROWTH. AND HERE WE ARE. AND WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 2025 BUILD OUT. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOOL THERE. HOW DID THEY MANAGE IT. THEY HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS A COUPLE MILES UP THE ROAD. AND THEY YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SIGNALIZATION THERE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO KEEP THOSE KIDS SAFE UP THERE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER. THEY'RE GOING TO GET 600 MORE HOUSES DROPPED ON THEM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN THOSE HOMES GET BUILT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO DO IT TWICE AND PICK THEM UP. WE COULD NEVER GET IN AND OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THE STREET THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS BIG OF A PROBLEM AND THERE'S NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, I THINK WIDENING THE ROAD AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, TOO. BUT I I'VE GOT A COMMENT, PLEASE TEXT IT TO ME.

AND THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN BE HEARD WITH ME IS FRANK. SO MOVE YOUR MICROPHONES CLOSER AND SPEAK INTO THEM, AND YOU STAND CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. I

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SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND DISCUSSION. WE HAVE. NO, NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE I KNOW THERE'S TWO RETENTION PONDS THAT WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE OAKS THAT ARE ON THE CORNER OF RIDGEVIEW AND THOSE THAT HAVE THE DRAPE AND THE GIANT HOLE, THAT THOSE ARE ALSO BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING CREDIT FOR SAVING THOSE WITH CALIPER INCH, IF THOSE DIE WITHIN THE TIME THAT BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN UP AND RUNNING BECAUSE OF THE CHOMPING INTO THE TREE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE, THOUGH, RIGHT? YOU SAID IF THEY DIE WITHIN A CERTAIN. NO, NOT NOT REAL NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH, RIGHT.

RIGHT. IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIE, BUT THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN CREDIT FOR SAVING A CALIPER INCH TREE.

SO LEGACY OR WHATEVER TYPE OF TREE. AND THOSE ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE BY CALIPER. SO THEY GET CREDIT FOR SAVING A, YOU KNOW, 30 INCH CALIPER TREE AND IT DIES. THEN THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PAYBACK. THERE'S NO. SO SOMEHOW THERE IS A SOMETHING IN THOSE ORDINANCE ABOUT ORDINANCE WHATEVER THE TREE LITIGATION OR WHATEVER THAT IF I THINK IF WE IF THEY DIE OR WE REMOVE THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR REPLACE. REPLACE. YEAH PER CALIFORNIA. YEAH. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I'M AFTER SEEING THAT I'M NOT SO CERTAIN THOSE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT. BUT BUT THEY ALSO GOT CREDIT FOR SAVING THOSE GIANT TREES. SO I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

WELL WE HAVE TO WELL WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OFFICIAL MOTION SO THERE'S NOT REALLY. OH YEAH.

I WAS JUST ASKING DID I, DID I HAVE AN ATTEMPT AT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A MOTION TOO, BUT DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION. LET ME, LET ME. COULD I TRY TO SUMMARIZE, MADAM CHAIR? SURE. I'M SORRY. SURE. WHAT IS THE THE ISSUE OF WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE TREES DIE WHEN THEY GET CREDIT? WHAT, WHAT? WHAT'S THE WHAT IS A CONDITION OF THIS APPROVAL? WHAT? THEY HAVE TO PLACE ONE INCH PER ONE INCH, FOR INSTANCE. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S A FEE IN LIEU OF. OR IF THEY DO DIE, THERE'S SO MUCH SINCE THEY GOT CREDIT FOR DOING THAT THEY SHOULD REPLACE. BUT I YOU KNOW. BUT WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE THEY ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR IF THEY DIE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S. GIVE ME A SECOND.

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REPLACEMENT OF PROTECTED TREES REQUIRED. SO IF YOU ARE SELECTING A REPLACEMENT TREES, THE TREES LISTED IN OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF THREE INCHES PER CALIPER.

MEASURE 40IN ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL. SO THERE ARE ONES IN TERMS OF CALIPER. INCHES OF PROTECTED TREES IN THE ALLOWABLE BUILDING AREA SHALL BE REPLACED OR ASSESSED AS THE RATIO OF 1 TO 1. SO WHATEVER WE ASSESS THAT TREE THERE IS A REPLACEMENT. IT WOULD IT WOULD TIME. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE IS OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN WE DO CHANGE. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A CONDITION OF A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, THEY THEY COULD MAKE A MOTION WITH A CONDITION OF IF SOMETHING THE TREES DIE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, THEY COULD BE IN A MOTION TO BE CONSIDERED. I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE TREE ORDINANCE, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THOSE ARE NON ASSESSED AT 36IN MEASURED 40IN ABOVE THE GROUND. WE DO. WE DID HAVE A A REPLACEMENT IN MITIGATION BUT THAT'S FOR OUTRIGHT. THEY'RE ALREADY SAFE TRYING TO SAVE THE TREE. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE IS HOW DO WE CREDIT GRANTED FOR PRESERVE TREES. BUT BUT HOW WHAT TIME I'M LOOKING AT REAL QUICKLY WHAT TIME FRAME DO WE HAVE FOR IF THEY DIE. SO AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO. WE DON'T. LET ME. YOU HAD SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DIE. NO, I SAID THEY WILL DIE. I'M NOT SURE. LET ME. BECAUSE OF HOW HOW WHAT'S THE.

I HAVE GOT IT. DO YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW BIG THOSE TREES ARE? THE ONES ON THE CORNER OF RIDGEVIEW ARE ARE DEFINITELY. I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW MEASURE MYSELF. BUT THEY ARE. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND HERE WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE. YEAH THE PLAN CALIPER. I CAN'T READ IT. IT'S TOO SMALL ACTUALLY. IT'S LIKE IT'S A MULTI TRUNK. YEAH. MULTI TREE. YEAH IT'S A MULTI TRUNK. AND I CAN'T REALLY READ THE.

BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE ON THERE IS A 25 AND THE 25. SO THAT HAS TO BE THE ONE ON RIDGEVIEW. SIX AND 3736, 1436 AND 1437 WHICH IS. THOSE TWO. YEAH. LET IT BE SO. I HATE TO SAY YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT IF IT DIES WITHIN A YEAR BECAUSE YOU SCREWED IT UP AND YOU CUT INTO THE TREE AND YOU'RE WEIGHING WITHIN THE DRIP LINE, WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. SO HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT SAYING, HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT? IS IT WITHIN A YEAR OR YOU KNOW, OF COMPLETION OR WHATEVER? BECAUSE I KNOW EIGHT YEARS, PROBABLY NOT LONG ENOUGH. NO PART PART OF THIS IS GOING TO BE HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND WHO'S GOING TO BE LOOKING RIGHT, AND WHO WILL SEE IF THAT TREE DIES. WE HAVE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE DEAD. YEAH. AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE AT BOGGY IN 14 AND 14. BOGGY AND LOMA, THEY'RE DEAD. SO WHO'S WHAT? WHO'S GOING TO WATCH AND REQUIRE THEM TO REPLACE ANYWAY? WHAT WOULD THE COMMISSIONERS BE INTERESTED IN? IT? 2 TO 1 CALIPER. WELL, WE DO SAY 2 TO 1 IN THE REGULAR ORDINANCE. SO YEAH. YES I THINK THE TIME LIMIT IS THE KEY. IT DOESN'T MATTER THE TIME, MADAM CHAIRMAN. YEAH. IF IT DIES THE ISSUE WAS WHO'S GOING TO SEE IT AND WHO WILL ENFORCE IT AT 5 OR 6 YEARS. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED MIGHT WORK IF YOU HAD SOME, SOME, SOME OF THE. ANYWAY. SO 5 OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WHO'S GOING TO SEE THAT IF THOSE TREES DIE? BUT I THINK THREE YEARS WE WOULD PROBABLY

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LET ME GET UP. PARDON ME. THAT DISTURBING INDICATED RED TAPE. AND I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT IN REALLY BAD DIRT IN MY BACKYARD, RED TIPITINA'S ARE 15FT TALL FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP, BECAUSE THEY ARE. AND THEY'RE 20 AND THEY'RE 20 YEARS OLD. YEAH. SO YOU GET A SOLID SCREENING, RIGHT? THERE YOU GO. I GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION TO FOLLOW. YEAH. YOU KNOW, FRANK, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU I THINK CAN BE REALLY GREAT FOR TALL SCREENING. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THAT MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK FOR SOME NATIVE ALTERNATIVES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE ON THIS. I AGREE, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE. WE SHOULD BE DESIGNATING THE TREE. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET THAT. NO, NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING TREES. I'M SUGGESTING SOMETHING THAT'LL GET YOU FROM 0 TO 6 OR EIGHT FEET. THERE ARE A LOT OF SHRUBS AND THAT'S THAT'S THE RED TIP. CONTINUED SOLID. AND UP NORTH, IT'S OUR BRAVADA. OKAY, I THINK WE SHOULD. I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE THE VENDOR WHO'S GOING TO BE PROVIDING THE TREES. WE WANT TREES OF A CERTAIN HEIGHT. AND LET'S NOT TELL LET'S NOT DECIDE WHAT KIND OF TREE THEY SHOULD BE. WELL, MADAM. SHRUBS. SHRUBS. YES, I THOUGHT THE COMMISSION WAS INTERESTED IN ADDITIONAL TREES IN THE BACK. PLUS SHRUBS, WHICH GIVES YOU A SOLID SCREEN. THEY DO OKAY, RIGHT? YES. SO IT'S GOING TO BE TREES AND SHRUBS OR TREES AND SOMETHING ELSE. NOW THE OTHER. LET ME NOT GET INTO SPECIES. I'M SORRY. WELL, WELL HAVE YOU ALL SEEN A REALLY TALL PURPLE SAGE? YEP. I GREW UP PRETTY FAST TOO. AND THEY GET TALL. IF YOU DON'T, THEY DO.

YEAH. LOROPETALUM DOES. THERE'S A THERE'S A GOOD DEAL OF SHRUBS THAT ARE NOT AS DISEASE PRONE AS RED TIP PHOTINIA ARE. SO I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT. WELL, THERE ARE RED PETUNIA BUSHES AND RED TIP PHOTINIA TREES ARE THE SAME. THEY'RE THE SAME. THEY'RE NOT ANY DIFFERENT. SO THANK YOU. LET'S NOT TALK PARTICULAR SHRUBS THEN. OKAY. WELL, SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME A SECOND. OKAY. IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME A SECOND. OKAY, OKAY. TAKE A SECOND. DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A MOTION OR. YES PLEASE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE. SO. YES. YES. GO AHEAD. START WRITING. START START WRITING. THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD THING. WELL FRANK IS DOING THAT. JUST A QUESTION CHARLES AND GEORGE AGAIN HAVE YOU SEEN OR DO YOU KNOW OF ANY CITY THAT DOES LIKE A CLAWBACK SENTENCES? IF THEY DO OR DOES? WELL, VERDE DOES. YEAH. IT'S. OKAY. SO I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT SOMEONE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU SOMEONE SOMEBODY LOOK INTO THAT THIS BODY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. MR. PARLIAMENTARIAN. AND ASK THAT WE PUT ON THE AGENDA OR IF

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CORRECT? NO. THEY MUST SPECIFY. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A SPECIES. IF WE DON'T DESIGNATE IT'S SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ASK WANT TO GO WITH IT. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR DECIDING ON THE SPECIES OF. THEY HAVE SPECIES LISTED FOR THE TREES. THEY HAVE SPECIES LISTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT NOT SHRUBS. WELL I'M DOING I'M DOING THE SHRUB ISSUE. OH OH. OH, SURE.

JUST PUT THE TWO THAT WERE MENTIONED. PARDON ME. THE TWO THAT WERE MENTIONED. YOU MENTIONED THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKYARD. WELL MY BACKYARD RED TAPE IS WORK LIKE THAT. JUST A REALLY, REALLY WELL. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE NATIVE, WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF IS THE NATIVE SPECIES. SURE, THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET UP THERE, BUT THE THEY'RE REALLY ATTRACTIVE. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T LIKE THE PURPLE SAGE. THE TEXAS SAGE. NO, I HAVE STATE AND THOSE ARE NATIVE. AND I HAVE STATES THAT ARE THEY GROW PRETTY FAST. I'M JUST SAYING THEY DON'T TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET UP THERE. SO ANY OF THESE, THOSE SHRUBS, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHRUBS THAT ARE EITHER NATIVE, EITHER OF THOSE TWO. WELL, MY POINT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE GENERALLY WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE MOTION, WHICH IS AS DETERMINED BY EITHER WE SAY WHICH ONES OR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT. NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ALSO ADD THAT THERE'S A DEFERENCE TO NATIVE SPECIES. YES. NATIVE SPECIES IN GENERAL ARE USUALLY BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. THEY USE LESS WATER. YEAH. I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT. IF I MAY, I WOULD RECOMMEND. PRESERVATION FOR NATIVE SPECIES WITH I WAS FACING. YES. BY GOVERNMENT SERVICES. AS WE GET TO THAT POINT, EVERY NATIVE SHRUB HAS A DIFFERENT SPACE REQUIREMENT BASED ON THEIR FULL GROWTH. SO I WOULD HATE TO LIMIT OR END UP KILLING SHRUBS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SQUISHED. WE'RE DESIGNATED. YEAH, JUST THANK YOU. THIS IS GETTING EXTRAORDINARILY TECHNICAL, MADAM CHAIR. I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. THE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES ONE TREE FOR EVERY 20FT, AND I THINK THEY'VE MET THAT STANDARD ON SPANISH OAK. IF YOU PUT THEM, IF YOU PLANT TREES CLOSER THAN 1 TO 20FT, YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER KIND OF PROBLEM. SHRUBS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO WHAT'S YOUR IF WE DEFER THIS FOR TWO WEEKS WHILE THIS MOTION IS CONSIDERED AND REFINED, IS THAT GOING TO POSE A PROBLEM FOR YOU? YES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TREES. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO GET THE DIRT BACK AROUND THE TREES. OKAY. SO SO I'M THINKING ABOUT ADDING TWO NATIVE SHRUBS THAT REACH A HEIGHT OF SIX FEET BETWEEN THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN ON ON SPANISH. THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE THE TREES THAT THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNING ON DOING. I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO ADD ANY MORE TREES IN THE BACK. WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS ADD THE SHRUBS IN BETWEEN THE TREES, THE ROCKS, AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING BOULDERS BEYOND THAT TO PREVENT THE PARKING. THEY'RE DOING THE THREE EXTRA TREES IN THE FRONT THAT ARE MISSING FOR THE SCREENING PURPOSES, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THE WHATEVER THE LOSS OF. AND THEN

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OKAY. AND AND THAT IS THAT THE PARKING BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE AS DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE. YOU WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. OKAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CUSTOMER SERVICE AREA IS ACTUALLY ON THE BUILDING PLANS, BUT YOU CAN MEASURE THAT STUFF PRETTY EASILY. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES. RACHEL APPROVES THAT AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT. I WILL APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO THAT WAS A SECOND TO RACHEL'S AMENDMENT.

AND ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. DAVE. OKAY. IT'S GENE. DID YOU APPROVE? YES, I SAID I OKAY. UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LET ME LET ME JUST SAY SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU STARTED IN 2024. YEAH. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WHO'S THE GAS COMPANY? OH. SHELL. OKAY OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM CONSIDERATION

[V.2. Consideration and possible action on a subdivision variance request from Edify Asset Management LLC, to allow a cul-de-sac length greater than 600 feet as it is currently prohibited to have a length greater than 600 feet and to only require a sidewalk on one side of the street instead of the current requirement of requiring sidewalks on both sides of the proposed street.]

AND WE CAN MAKE A NOTE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS APPROVED THE THE GREATER THAN 600FT. AND SO THE REQUEST IS TO CONFIRM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S APPROVAL AND TO HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THE SUBDIVISION IS, BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS NOT WHERE THE HOMES ARE. YEP. IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DOES THE APPLICANT NEED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. MADAM CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND REPROVE THE TWO VARIANCES AS INDICATED IN THE.

WITH RESPECT TO THE CUL DE SAC LENGTH AND THE SIDEWALKS. OKAY. A SECOND SECOND OKAY. THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. AYE AYE OKAY. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. AND NOW WE MOVE ON

[V.3. Consideration and possible action on a final plat request by Edify Asset Management LLC to establish a new subdivision development referred to as Santa Vista Way. The proposed subdivision is located at 21201Santa Vista Way, Lago Vista, Texas. Project 23-2770 (32.410 acres of land, (called 32.42 acres) more or less, out of the H&O. B. Railroad survey no. 35, situated in Travis County, Texas and being more particularly described by metes and bounds in deed recorded in Volume 12790, page 2082, Real Property Records, Travis County, Texas and Lot 26257, Highland Lake Estates, section twenty-six amended as recorded in Volume 68, page 23 of the Plat Records of Travis County, Texas.)]

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HAVE THE 20 STAFF COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET BEEN ADDRESSED? THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION. ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

WHAT DID YOU SAY, MR. WEST? ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND WITH THE POSITIVE ALL IN THE POSITIVE. OKAY, THE FINAL PLAT SHOWS THE SIGNATURE BLOCK FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR, SUPPOSED TO BE THE PNC CHAIR. YES. SO YOU GET TO SIGN IT? YES. THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IF YOU WILL, MADAM CHAIR. YES. WHO'S GOING TO QUESTION? AND THIS CAME UP AT THE TOUR AT LEAST TWO TIMES. WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ISLAND? THAT'S IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY. YES, SIR. PARDON ME. YEAH. GO AHEAD. THERE IS NO ISLAND. IT'S JUST A STRIPING. PARDON ME. NO, IT'S A STRIPING. STRIPING, PAVEMENT STRIPING, PAVEMENT MARKING. THANK YOU. DAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK YOU. IF CHARLES SAYS ALL 20 OF THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF HIS SATISFACTION, I'M GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO THE EXISTING HOMES ON ON SANTA ANA, THAT IS SANTA ANA, RIGHT? SANTA MONICA MAYBE. YEAH. ONE OF THESE MAPS SAYS IT'S BUILT ON MISLABELED. BUT ANYWAY, THE HOMES DIRECTLY BEHIND WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. HOW ARE THEIR CURRENT VIEWS BE AFFECTED BY YOUR DEVELOPMENT? WELL, I THINK THERE ARE ANY HOUSES ON ON OUR SIDE OF SANTA MONICA AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IN THE HOUSE. THAT WAY YOU CAN ASK AGAIN. OKAY. WE DID HAVE ONE PERSON, AS I RECALL, WHO SPOKE OUT IN OPPOSITION, THAT ON THE I BELIEVE THEY SENT A LETTER SAYING THAT THEIR VIEW WOULD BE IMPACTED AND THEY'D SPENT X NUMBER OF DOLLARS ON THEIR LOT AND THEY WOULD BE UPSET IF THEIR VIEW WAS IMPACTED. I'M JUST I'M JUST GOING OFF MY MEMORY OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT GENTLEMAN? I DO HAVE A COPY HERE, BUT I'M I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING THEIR VIEW OF THE IMPACT. IT'S ALWAYS ASKING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, CAN YOU TELL US WILL SOMEONE ELSE'S VIEW TRULY BE IMPACTED BASED ON THE HEIGHT OF THESE STRUCTURES? WELL, THESE HOUSES ARE IN FLOODPLAIN, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ELEVATED, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT OTHER THAN THE FLOODING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS TRY TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN SPACE. THOSE THOSE LOTS WAS ONLY 15, 20, $15 AND 33. SO WE CAN DO THE VERY BEST WE CAN TO DISPLACE THOSE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, STILL SOME VIEW UNOBSTRUCTED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE NATURE OF IT. PRETTY MUCH LIKE EVERY OTHER HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE IF THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER POSITION A OR NOT PURCHASE A LOT OR PURCHASE. BUT, BUT, BUT BUT THAT SAID, I THINK WE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING WE CAN. THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BUILT QUITE A FEW OF THESE TYPES OF HOMES. SO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A HISTORIC FLOOD, AS WE'VE HAD OVER THE 1999, I THINK IT WAS. PROBABLY THE HIGHEST ONE WE'VE HAD. ARE THERE ANY SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS

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RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TWO WE HAVE TWO STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS THAT, YOU KNOW, HELP US IN THE DESIGN OF THESE THINGS. SO FROM A STRUCTURAL PERSPECTIVE, THE HOUSE IS MORE THAN SOUND FROM A FLOOD PROTECTION OR SAFETY. THERE'S I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO MY KNOWLEDGE, TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE STANDARD 1 TO 10 WARRANTY. SO SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YEAH. I MEAN, THE BUYER IS GOING TO BE MADE AWARE TRYING TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT RISKS THEY'RE TAKING WHEN THEY BUY THEM. YEAH. YEAH. AND WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE DISCLOSURES WHEN THEY'RE BUYING THE LOT. THEY GET THROUGH ALL THE DISCLOSURES THROUGH DESIGN. WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN THE PROCESS. FOR SURE. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL RISK AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY. YEAH. OKAY. JEANNE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING. YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I. AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THOSE LOTS THAT ARE ALONG THAT EDGE OF THE REALLY LONG CUL DE SAC, THOSE ARE IN ESSENCE, PASS THROUGH LOTS, I GUESS. OR WOULD THEY NOT BE, SINCE THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD NOW PASS THROUGH LOT CANNOT BUILD A SOLID FENCE. WHOEVER BUYS THOSE LOTS MAY WANT TO BUILD A SOLID FENCE TO SCREEN OFF THEIR BACKYARD. FROM FROM THAT AREA. SO MY MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THOSE BE CONSIDERED PASS THROUGH LOTS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD AN OPEN FENCE. THEY COULDN'T BUILD A CLOSED FENCE. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WOULD YOU BE ADDRESSING THAT IN THE HOA DECLARATION THAT, WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HIS HOMEOWNERS. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THOSE BUILDING ON SANTA MONICA. OH, OKAY. COULD YOU SHOW ME I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. YEAH. NO, NO. YEAH. WHEN SOMEONE BUILDS HERE, IF THEY WANT TO

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THIS IS NOT YOUR PEOPLE. THAT THESE PEOPLE. SO THIS IS TECHNICALLY A PASS THROUGH LOT BECAUSE THERE'S A STREET ON BOTH SIDES, BUT MAYBE IT'S A MOOT POINT SINCE IT'S A PRIVATE STREET THAT'S GATED OFF I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YOU CAN COMMENT.

I WANTED TO FENCE ON BOTH SIDES. I CAN ASK FOR A VARIANCE. BUT NOW THEY'RE SUBJECT TO HAVING TO GET A VARIANCE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A PASS THROUGH LOT BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY BACK THERE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. SINCE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN MY OWN MIND. I DON'T AGREE, BUT. THE STREET SAID STREET PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION. YOU'RE THE CHAIR. THE CITY MANAGER IS MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET. AND WHETHER IT FOLLOWS AN ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH THIS PLAT. I DON'T EITHER. WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON HERE. OKAY, DOES THIS FINAL PLAT CONFORM TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED? AND POINT OUT? SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'VE GOT A QUESTION. HOW MANY KITCHENS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE IN THIS HOUSE. HOW MANY KITCHENS. YES ONE. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FOR A TRICK QUESTION HERE. I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE A BIG ONE, BUT YEAH, THIS ONE YEAH I GET YEAH. YOU KNOW WHY I ASK I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'M NOW YOU GOT ME. YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE KITCHEN.

YOU'RE NOT SINGLE FAMILY THAT TURNS INTO AN STR. OH NO. THESE ARE. YES. ONE KITCHEN. ONE KITCHEN. AND SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE PROJECT AGENDA ITEM B-3 PROJECT 20 3-2770. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. OKAY. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. NOW OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR ACTION ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION

[V.4. Consideration and possible action on the creation of subcommittees to propose changes and recommendations of the recent comprehensive plan update proposal that was prepared by Half and Associates.]

TO TO BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. AND THEY ARE GOING TO THEIR INTENTION IS TO PUT ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND INPUT INTO THE PACKET FOR THE COUNCIL PEOPLE TO TO CONSIDER PRIOR TO THE JOINT SESSION ON THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING. THEY'VE ASKED THAT WE ALL ATTEND AND THEY SCHEDULE THAT MEETING FOR 5:30 P.M. SO THAT THOSE WHO WORK WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND. SO THAT GIVEN THAT CHANGE WHICH HAS COME UP SUBSEQUENT TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT OR THE THE MOTION THAT WE MADE ON OUR LAST MEETING, AND TODAY, WE NOW NEED TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANT TO CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES AND. GO FORWARD WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEES OR IF WE WANT TO WAIT, WAIT AND AND GIVE OUR COMMENTS AND INPUT TO THE THE COUNCIL AND HAVE OUR JOINT SESSION AND THEN DETERMINE WHERE WE WANT TO GO. SO LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT. THAT'S MY IDEA. GENE. I JUST IF IF WE WENT AHEAD AND FORMED THE

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SO WE WERE WE WERE GOING TO GOING TO CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES TO WORK ON THE COMP PLAN BASED ON THE ON HAVING THAT THAT TYPE OF MAP. SO WHERE DO WE HAVE THAT MAP? IS THAT MAP AVAILABLE? IT'S NOT PRINTED, BUT WE DO HAVE A MAP. SO IT COULD BE PRINTED TODAY TONIGHT, TOMORROW MORNING WE COULD PROBABLY PRINT IT NEXT WEEK BECAUSE TOMORROW MORNING NOBODY WILL BE HERE.

YES WE CAN GET SOME BECAUSE I HAD NEW MAPS CREATED. SO THERE IS A THERE IS A NEW FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWING THE STREETS AND THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS. IT'S GOT THE PDS MARKED ON IT. SO WE WANT TO KNOW THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS. NOT JUST THAT IT'S BDD. WE KNOW WHEN THE BDD IS JUST ZONING, ENTITLEMENTS ARE. YEAH, BDD IS JUST A ZONING DESIGNATION. WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE WITHIN THAT BDD, CORRECT? YEAH. YOU'D HAVE TO JUST I CAN'T PUT THOSE ENTITLEMENTS ON THE MAP, BUT WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT PD IS AND GIVE YOU A COPY OF THAT PD THAT HAS THE ENTITLEMENTS LISTED IN IT, IN THAT ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THE PD. OKAY. SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN RESEARCHED AND IT'S ALL AVAILABLE. SO WE COULD GET STARTED AND WORKING ON IT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO. YES MA'AM. BECAUSE WE I THINK WE'RE EVEN HELD BACK FROM MAKING OUR COMMENTS AND INPUT TO YOU AND TO JORDAN PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.

WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, I MEAN THE COMMENTS AND INPUT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE ARE REALLY DEPENDENT ON SEEING THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THE WITH THE ENTITLEMENTS. SO SO UNTIL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, YOU KNOW, I THINK HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE MAKING THAT INPUT? I WOULD AGREE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GENERAL OR IT COULD BE NOT POSSIBLE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MIGHT MAKE BASED ON WHAT ENTITLEMENTS THEY ALREADY HAVE. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED MY COMMENTS AND WITH GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING SOME UPDATED BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. OR MAYBE IT'S BEEN DONE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT.

COMMENTS. THOSE COMMENTS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING AND GIVE TO COMMISSION MEMBERS TONIGHT I PRINT OUT SO THE SAME GUIDANCE OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO GIVE TO THE COMMISSION. HERE IS WHAT I SENT TO THE COUNCIL. AND IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, I'LL GIVE YOU COPIES OF MY COMMENTS TONIGHT. OKAY. WELL THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GREAT. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WERE PROMISED THIS MAP WITH THE WITH THE ENTITLEMENTS. AND SO THAT'S THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THAT MAP, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION BY 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT WAYS HERE. SO BUT ME AND JORDAN HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, AND WE HAVE OUR VIEWS OF THE COMP PLAN AND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. AND I WILL TELL YOU MY SUGGESTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL IS DON'T RUSH THIS. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING RUSHED AT THIS TIME. RUSHING IS WHAT GOT US INTO THIS POSITION. AND IF WE CONTINUE TO RUSH THROUGH ALL OF THESE STEPS AND ALL, ALL IT'S GOING TO DO IS CREATE MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE OUR TIME, DO THIS CORRECTLY. HAVE THE IF YOU'VE GOT SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU'VE GOT SUBCOMMITTEES. I

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THAT'S WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO. AND I, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH CITY STAFF THAT THIS WE SHOULD WE SHOULD HOLD TIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT WAS OUR PLAN. THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO. OUR LIAISON THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK WE FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RUSHED AND TRY TO GET ANYTHING DONE BY A JOINT MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING SUBCOMMITTEES. WE JUST WING IT AND THROW IT UP AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS. YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANY I DON'T I KNOW ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BEFORE THE JOINT MEETING BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE COUNTER. IT COULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I AGREE, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE HAVE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS AND INPUT TO GIVE TO, TO CITY STAFF, WE CAN DO THAT. I KNOW I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS OR INPUT ABSENT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN REQUESTING FOR MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT BEFORE THE WORK SESSION SO WE CAN COME PREPARED. SO WE NEED THE LIST OF PDS AND THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ENTITLEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE, OR ANYTHING THAT THEY COME BACK AND GOT ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS OR WHATEVER. AND THEN THE DETAILED MAP. AND THEN I THINK BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO. FRANK. A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF POINTS AND ONE, ONE BIG QUESTION WAS THE SUBCOMMITTEE RAISED A TON OF SORT OF MAJOR ISSUES AT THE LAST MEETING. RIGHT. WAS WERE YOUR ISSUES FUNDAMENTALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLUME OR OTHER PARTS OF THE PLANT? THERE WERE A FEW IN THERE THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLUME. I WENT AHEAD AND SENT MY COMMENTS FORWARD. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE AND IT'S NOT DETAILED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DETAILED MAP. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE FOR THE CURRENT PDS. SO THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK I'VE GIVEN. IT'S NOT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO DO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SECOND POINT, I THINK THE COMMISSION IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND HAS BEEN SINCE FOR A WHILE. AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO ALDERMAN, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WHICH IS YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO GET RIGHT FUNDAMENTALLY. AND I'VE SENT AN EMAIL OUT THERE AS AN OPTION TO APPROVE. BUT THEN PNC COMES BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND FIXES IT. WHY DO THAT? YOU WITH ME ON THAT, MADAM CHAIR? SOME SOME OF THIS IS PERSONALITY AND I GET IT.

AND POLITICS. I'M STILL PUTTING ON MY SVP DEAL AND GO AND LET'S GET IT RIGHT. AND THAT'S A PNC RESPONSIBILITY. NOW WHAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO ON THE 16TH IS WHATEVER. I MEAN, THEY

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[Items V.5. - V.9.]

BUT WE HAVE NOT ALL HAD ALL OF THE MATERIAL RELEVANT TO CONSIDER THESE ITEMS. FOR MORE THAN 72 HOURS. SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER ACTION OR CONSIDERATION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE UNTIL A SPECIAL CALL MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WHERE WE WILL TAKE UP THESE ITEMS. DO I NEED TO? READ EACH ONE OR CAN I JUST REFER TO ITEMS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE OF THE AGENDA ITEM? EIGHT NUMERIC NUMBERS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A SECOND OR HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT. CAN I ADD SOMETHING? LINDA. YES. FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, AND I REALIZE THAT IT MAY NOT MEAN ANYTHING, BUT IN TWO WEEKS I WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE ON THAT THURSDAY FOR A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. I'M JUST SAYING I'LL HAVE TO BOW OUT OF THAT ONE. DO IT IN THREE WEEKS OR. WHAT'S THE DATE? THE THE TWO WEEKS IS THE 23RD. WHAT ABOUT AND I SEE I CHECKED THE CITY CALENDAR SCHEDULE TO SEE WHAT WHEN THERE WAS AVAILABILITY FOR MEETING HERE. WHAT ABOUT THE 27TH?

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IF I DO IT THE 23RD AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT AND I'LL JUST GIVE GIVE MY THOUGHTS TO TO YOU AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS AND YOU CAN DO IT THE 23RD. YOU CAN ALSO WAIT TILL THE 30TH. I'LL.

OR WAIT TILL THE 30TH WORK. IT DOES NOT. BUT IF THERE IF IT'S ABOUT THE TREE STUFF, YOU GOT IT. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS ANYWAY. SO. YEAH. THIS 23RD AND HAVE TO GIVE THIS RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE KATHY 23RD, 23RD. OKAY. AND YOU WERE ON THE TREE. YOU. YES. YOU'RE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON TREES. COULD BE SO. SO I THINK THE 23RD. SORRY. YEAH. SORRY. THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE. OKAY. IS THAT. YEAH THAT'S FINE. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE TREE ISSUES, WE HAVE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IS CALLED OUT IN THE AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. LINDA. YES. JUST JUST ONE MORE THING. AND I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE DONE TODAY, BUT I DID LOOK THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT, AND I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THEM THAT MIGHT HELP IF WE ASK THEM NOW SO THAT WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEED AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE, FOR INSTANCE. OKAY. THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FEE IN LIEU OF FOR THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, STAFF WAS GOING TO OR WE HAD REQUESTED FROM MR. DURBIN TO BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE FUNDS TO GIVE TO STAFF TO GO AND DO A MARKET ANALYSIS AND FIND OUT WHAT THE COST PER LOTS WERE SO THAT WE COULD MAKE A DECISION ON IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE THESE FEES. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET, THERE'S NO POINT IN EVEN REVISITING THIS YET UNTIL WE'VE GOT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DECIDED AT THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT WE WANTED THOSE NUMBERS TO LOOK AT OUR FEE STRUCTURE. I REMEMBER THAT MEETING CORRECTLY, RIGHT. RELATIVELY CORRECTLY. OKAY.

THERE WAS NO NUMBER GIVEN TO ME. SO I DIDN'T GIVE A NUMBER TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. I SAID THAT YOU WOULD BE COMING AND ASKING FOR OKAY. AND THEY AND GOT A LOT OF AFFIRMATIVE NODS, BUT NOBODY TOOK A VOTE ON IT OR ANYTHING SINCE I WAS JUST SPEAKING AS LIAISON. SO IF THERE'S AN AMOUNT. AND IT ASKED FOR IT OR, OR A PARTICULAR GROUP, YOU WANT TO USE SOMEBODY THAT WE CAN INVESTIGATE AND FIND OUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE BEFORE WE APPROVE IT. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, IS THAT NOT PART OF THE PARK, THE THAT ORDINANCE OR THAT THAT COMMISSION, THE PARKS? AND. YEAH, IT'S A COMMITTEE. OKAY. BUT ARE THEY NOT ALSO DOING SOMETHING WITH PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE IN LIEU OF AND ALL THAT. ISN'T THAT UNDER THEIR PURVIEW? I THINK THEY'RE DOING SOME ZONING ORDINANCE. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THEY MAKE SUGGESTIONS. THEY CAN'T THEY DON'T. RIGHT. WONDER WHAT THOSE WERE. THE THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I STILL HAVE OPEN IS WOULD YOU AND DAVE, IF I'M INTERRUPTING YOU I APOLOGIZE I. I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON THAT DATE. ADD ON TO THIS THE DRAINAGE REFERRAL FROM COUNCIL. SO IN ADDITION TO ITEMS FIVE THROUGH NINE, I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THE DRAINAGE REFERRAL THAT'S BEEN PENDING. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T ON HERE. DAVE, DO YOU HAVE MORE? DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? DAVE. WELL, THAT WAS MORE OF AN EXAMPLE. I JUST BECAUSE I, WE, I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP COMING TO THESE MEETINGS AND WE'RE NOT COMING WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND THIS WAS ONE THAT JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I. AND MR. DURBIN'S RIGHT, THE WAY WE LEFT, IT WAS MORE OF A HERE'S THE THING THAT WE'RE

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THE NATURE OF A. APPRAISER BUDGET FOR FOR. I THINK IT WAS SOMEONE TO RECOMMEND. WHAT THE FEES, WHAT THE LEGAL FEES COULD BE. I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT IF FEES WERE TOO HIGH AND WE CONSIDERED TAKING. AND WE WANTED TO KNOW THE, THE AVERAGE, THE, THE VALUE, THE VALUE OF THE LOT, THE VALUE OF LAND THESE DAYS, THESE CURRENT, THE CURRENT VALUE OF LAND. THAT WAS I CAN TELL YOU THE VALUE IS TOO HIGH IN THIS STATE. SO YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT YOUR POINT, JEFF, IS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT UP TO US TO SET A FEE, REQUEST OR DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE JUST NEED TO ASK COUNCIL TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. HOWEVER THEY ARE, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN USE FOR SPECIFICS. AND THAT'S WHY I SAY, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER ON HAND? DO WE HAVE AN EXPERT? THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND IF NOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE'LL FIND A LOCAL REAL ESTATE. YEAH. WITH ALL OF THESE BEING PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ALL, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE COVERED IN THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY BY FREESE AND NICHOLS. AND THAT REPORT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED AND PRESENTED BACK TO COUNCIL AND STAFF IN FEBRUARY. OH WELL, CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT. WE DON'T I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT. AND I THINK I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED LIKE THE MOST PRECISE, PERFECT ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE LAND IS COSTING RIGHT NOW. WE COULD, WE COULD I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS YOU ALL ASKED FOR ATTENTION. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I MEAN, COULDN'T WE ASK, LIKE SOME OF THE MOST ACTIVE REALTORS IN LAGO VISTA AND ASK EACH OF THEM JUST TO SUBMIT WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE THE MOST REASONABLE COST OF OF LAND CURRENTLY PER ACRE? THIS IS YOUR COMMISSION. YOU COULD DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I MEAN, WE WE USED TO HAVE A DESIGNATED REALTOR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE ANYMORE, DO WE? WE USED TO, WE USED TO HAVE WE USED TO HAVE CLIVE RUTHERFORD'S REAL ESTATE FIRM AS OUR CITY REALTOR. DO WE, DO WE COUNCIL. YEAH. DO DO WE STILL USE THAT ONE OR DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE I BELIEVE I THINK WE STILL USE BY DESIGN FIRM CLIVE SPERM, I THINK I DON'T RECALL EVER CHANGING TO A DIFFERENT FIRM. CLIVE ISN'T THERE, BUT I THINK WE STILL USE 1431 REAL ESTATE. I, I BELIEVE YOU, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.

BUT DON'T HOLD ME TO IT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW AND AND CHARLES DOESN'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH ANY REAL ESTATE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH, YEAH. AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CITY COUNCIL REPORT, IT'S ALSO WE DO HAVE ESTABLISHED WE HAVE ONE ACRE PARK LAWN FOR EVERY 30 DWELLING UNITS AT OR PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF LAW 1000.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT THEN AS I'M READING THAT I WAS READING OVER THE PAUL ROBERTS WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IN OTHER CITIES, A TRAIL DEDICATION ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE WHICH REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT OF TRAILS MASTER PLAN. THERE'S ALSO OTHER OTHER THINGS IN THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE AS WELL, SO THAT THE ISSUE IS THAT BRINGING ALL THAT, NOT JUST THE FEE IN LIEU OF, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE. SO JUST FOR INSTANCE, FLOWER MOUND, I KEEP SAYING THAT WE

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YOU DON'T JUST GIVE US RAW DIRT THAT YOU DEVELOP A PARK. AND SO PART OF THAT IS THE ISSUE WITH LAGO IS THAT THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS. THERE'S HARDLY EVER SUBDIVISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO. THIS CHUNK IS GOING TO BE A PARK, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PLAYSCAPE, A TRAIL OR WHATEVER TO IT. AS IN OTHER CITIES, LAGO VISTA IS UNIQUE.

SO IF IF WE DID THOSE IT HE'S LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THOSE AND CONNECTING THE TRAILS. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THING WAS GOING TO BE PART OF. AND. YEAH YEAH IT TALKS ABOUT TRACK RIGHT. THERE'S A PARKS PLAN SPECIFICALLY RIGHT THAT WE GOT ALONG WITH THAT. YES. SO THAT'S YOU KNOW IMPLEMENTING THAT OR MAKING THAT PART OF YOUR FEES IN LIEU OF AND AND YOU'RE NOT GIVING YOUR DIRT. IT'S A IT'S A COMPLETE PARK AND IT'S THIS SIZE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS MUCH HOUSES THAT YOU'RE BUILDING WITH DEVELOPMENT AND SO ON. AND SO WE, WE WHILE WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE LOOKING AT PAUL ROBERTS AND STUFF, HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT. CAN WE DO BETTER? CAN WE HAVE MORE TEETH OR OR BE A SPECIFIC THING IN OTHER CITIES AND COMMUNITIES? PARK, GEORGETOWN, FLOWER MOUND, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON AND ON HAVE HAVE DONE THESE SORT OF THINGS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT. IF WE GET TOO MUCH PARK LAND, THE CITY HAS NO WAY TO NO WAY OF MAINTAINING IT. THEN ALL WE HAVE IS A BUNCH OF OVERGROWN LOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED THE DOLLAR WISE.

ALSO IS THE MAINTENANCE. AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKS. YES THEY DO. THERE'S TONS OF PEOPLE THAT TALK ABOUT THAT NOT BEING PART OF THE POA, AND THEY'RE ALL OFF ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NO PARKS, SO I DON'T I'M NOT AFRAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXCESS PARK LAND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN. I STILL THINK THAT THE ONE PIECE OF DATA TO TO MAINTAIN PARKS, AND IT TAKES THEM ALL DAY JUST TO MAINTAIN SUNSET PARK, JUST ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. THIS IS THE COST OF MAINTAINING THESE PARKS. IT'S NOT JUST I'M ALL FOR PARKS.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST THEM. I JUST A BUDGET IN PLACE. WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FUNDING TO MAINTAIN THESE PARKS. AGREED. BUT ALSO ALONG WITH THIS, WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, DEDICATING THE PARKLAND IS GIVING US TAX REVENUE. YES. OKAY. BUT ALL OF THIS WE CAN DISCUSS WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING THESE, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THESE ORDINANCES RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ONLY DISCUSSING THE THE DATA THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK FOR PRIOR TO HAVING THE THE MEETING ON THE ORDINANCES. SO IS THERE DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO PROVIDE TO US PRIOR TO HAVING OUR MEETING ON THE ON THE 23RD, I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT THEY HAD TO CREATE A CHAIR. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK COUNCIL IF YOU CAN DISCUSS WITH MR. WEATHERFORD'S FIRM SOME ACREAGE COSTS? SURE. OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SO WE WILL DO THAT IN THE INTERIM PRIOR TO OUR MEETING ON THE 23RD. ANY ANY OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? WELL, LOOKS LIKE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE. WE JUST WE WE HAVE PUT OFF THIS WE HAVE PUT OFF CONSIDERATION OF AGENDA ITEMS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE. WE HAVEN'T YET. BUT BUT WE WILL. OKAY. UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. NOW. WE HAVE MORE THAN 72 HOURS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THEM. WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED AND THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR PREVIOUSLY, AND WE ALSO WANT TO ADD THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCE. WE WANT TO ADD THAT ON. WOW. THE DRAINAGE I DON'T THINK. PARDON ME, I THINK THAT TAKE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA AT A TIME. SO WE SHOULD WE SHOULD MEET. AND SO WE'RE ON PARKLAND. WELL WE'RE WE'RE THE MOTION OKAY. THE MOTION THAT I'M MAKING IS WE ARE GOING TO DEFER CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE UNTIL A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON OCTOBER 23RD AND ON OCTOBER 23RD. WE WILL ALSO CONSIDER THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCE REFERRAL THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM

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THANK YOU. SEE YOU ALL AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 23RD, 6 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.