Oct 28, 2025 Golf Course Advisory Committee

[I.CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

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ALL RIGHT. 631 WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. MIKE JOINS US. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:31 P.M. THIS IS THE REGULAR GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCTOBER 28TH. WE'LL SHOW THAT ATTENDANCE. WE HAVE. MCDONALD. MR. D'SOUZA, MRS. MUMFORD, MR. DUJARDIN AND MYSELF. WE KNOW THAT CAGE WON'T BE HERE. PERHAPS MIGHT SHOW UP LATER.

SEEING AS NO CITIZENS IN THE AUDIENCE. WELL, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE NO COMMENT, SO WE'LL JUMP

[III. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]

AND SO THAT WAS GOING BACK TO LES HILL, AND HE WAS GOING TO FINISH UP THE DESIGN AND PRESUMABLY PRETTY QUICKLY. I MEAN, HE MAY HAVE DONE IT ALREADY, BUT GREG MAY HAVE UPDATE THERE AND THEN GET STAFF TO LOOK AT IT. AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND COUNCIL DEFERRED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. THEY SAID IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. IF YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY, THEN GO OUT FOR BID. SO I THINK WE'RE REAL CLOSE TO GOING OUT FOR BID ON THE JOB AND GETTING THAT GOING. WITH THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DO A SELECTION AWARD, THE CONTRACT MAYBE GETS YOU INTO THE THIRD MONTH. AND SO I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE FEBRUARY MARCH TIME FRAME IS WHEN, WHEN THE WORK SHOULD ACTUALLY START AND I THINK EQUALS 5 OR 6 MONTHS. LAST I HEARD 5 TO 6 MONTHS TO GET GET THE JOB DONE. SO WE'RE PROBABLY PROBABLY OUT IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME TO BE DONE WITH THE IRRIGATION PROJECT. AND. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY RELEVANT TO THE TO THE TO THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THE CITY HAS HIRED A NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. IF YOU HADN'T HEARD THAT JORDAN STROHMEYER AND SHE'S SHE'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW AND HIT THE GROUND RUNNING EXTREMELY WELL, QUALIFIED, VERY SEEMS TO BE A GREAT CANDIDATE. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND I GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, THE PARKS, NEW PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR WAS HIRED. I THINK WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT HE'S THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS IN LOVE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY BRING THINGS UP AND THE NEXT TIME THEY MEET HE SAID, OH YEAH, THAT'S DONE. SO, SO SO GOOD GOOD PROGRESS. OKAY. STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I WAS GOING TO SAY I, I WENT BACK TO WATCH THE COUNCIL MEETING. I WAS TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, AND THE NEW PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR SPOKE THAT THAT WAS LIKE THE SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING OR SOMETHING. HE SEEMED TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ONLY BEEN HERE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH, I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. HE'S REALLY JUMPED IN AND HE KNOWS HIS STUFF. HE'S HE'S BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES, BECAUSE IN OUR HEARTS, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF ADA VIOLATIONS AND SAFETY, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT MEETING STATE CODE. AND SO HE'S ON TOP OF IT WITH THOSE THINGS DONE. SO IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE GOT A A SOLID PERSON IN OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. YEAH HE'S GOOD. THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE HIS WHOLE LIFE. SO HE'S HE'S BEEN HIS CAREER. YEAH I'VE SEEN THREE SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS. HE DEFINITELY HAS.

IMPRESSED. YEAH. ROUND ONE. YEAH. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HE ALREADY LIVED IN LAGO VISTA.

HE LIVES IN LAKESIDE. TESSERA. AND SO HE WENT WHEN OUR CITY MANAGER FOUND HIM AND STARTED TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THIS JOB, HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING AN INTERIM PARKS DIRECTOR JOB IN CALIFORNIA. AND AS SOON AS THE ISSUE. YEAH, YEAH. SO AS SOON AS HE. I'M JOKING. YEAH. AS SOON AS HE FINISHED THAT, HE CAME BACK TO WORK. HERE. YOU HAVE THE OBVIOUS QUESTION. SO WHY DID YOU END UP WITHOUT A JOB AS. YEAH. ANYONE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR PAUL? IF NOT, I HAVE ONE POINT. LISTENING TO THE LAST COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST COUNCIL

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AND AND WITH THE NEW PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, I WILL ASSUME HE'S HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT.

ALSO, AS FAR AS WHAT THE MASTER PLAN OR LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE PARKS ARE. AND SO, GREG, A LOT OF NEW BLOOD IN IT. AND SO JUST I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS INJECTED IN AND NOT AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, BUT IT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. SO YEAH. AND IF THEY WANT TO START WITH THAT DOCUMENT THAT THAT WE DID AND SUBMITTED THAT IN, I'M NOT SURE IT EVER GOT INCLUDED. I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE WENT SOMEPLACE. WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT. YEAH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. SAUL. THANK YOU. MR. YOU'RE OLDER THAN ME I AM I WAS TAUGHT TO CALL MY ELDERS MR. AND MRS. BUT MY AGE OR YOUNGER NOW I CALL THEM BY FIRST NAME ESPECIALLY AT $100,000 MEMBERSHIP COUNTRY CLUBS. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND OUR FISCAL YEAR IS DONE. I WILL GO OVER A FEW NUMBERS FIRST. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ENDED UP

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BUT IT WAS BASICALLY I MET MY GOAL OF 30 SO THAT I THINK HOPEFULLY SHOWS AND TELLS EVERYBODY A FEW THINGS THAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG. THE. NOI, OBVIOUSLY IN THE RED, IT HAS GONE FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, 800 GRAND TO 318. I WAS ALWAYS SAYING AROUND 300. BUT IT ENDED UP AT 318. SO IN TWO YEARS, LOOKING AT THAT, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. THE ONLY NEGATIVE IS STILL IN THE RED. I DIDN'T I DON'T MIND SHARING IT WITH SOMEONE, BUT I ACTUALLY AND COUNCILOR PRINCE YOU HADN'T SEEN IT EITHER. BUT I DID A I DID A PROFORMA FOR 2627 NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT I GAVE TO CHARLES, THE CITY MANAGER. I EMAILED IT TO HIM AND IT IT HAD US A LITTLE OVER 40,000 ROUNDS, ACTUALLY, ABOUT 41, NOT THIS FISCAL YEAR. THIS FISCAL YEAR, MY GOAL IS TO DO 5% HIGHER, BUT THAT'S NEXT YEAR. AND THAT DEPENDED ON EXPENSES, GIVE OR TAKE AND HOW CLOSE THAT IS. THAT PUT US ABOUT 100 GRAND IN THE BLACK. BUT HEY, IF IT'S EVEN OR BETTER AGAIN, I'M GOING BY MY 2 OR 3 PAST YEARS AND WHAT I'VE SEEN. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. I ALSO DEFINITELY EXPRESSED UPON THE POINT THAT MOTHER NATURE AND THAT WAS ALL BASED UPON IRRIGATION BEING FINISHED. MOTHER NATURE, YOU KNOW, US NOT LOSING OUR GREENS.

WE STILL WILL FIGHT PUMP ISSUES ALL THE TIME. RIGHT NOW IT'S FINE BECAUSE TEMPERATURES ARE GETTING COOLER. BUT I THINK THAT'S A VERY REALISTIC NUMBER. AND IT MAY EVEN BE BETTER BECAUSE ONCE WE GET TO THE END OF THIS YEAR, I'M BANKING ON IRRIGATION BEING DONE, THEN IT CAN START BEING MARKETED TO THE 5 OR 6000 PEOPLE IN OUR DATABASE THROUGH MY POS AND TEE TIME SYSTEM, AND I ALSO IN THAT PROFORMA, I THINK I SHOWED A, I THINK MY WEEKDAY WAS LIKE $2 INCREASE ON THE FEES. WEEKEND WAS 4 OR $5, BUT THIS WILL CERTAINLY BE JUSTIFIABLE IN TODAY'S MARKET. AND THEN PASSHOLDERS AND AND PUNCH CARD HOLDERS, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL MEMBERS, I CALL THEM THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL PRIVATE. THERE WAS I SHOWED A 10% INCREASE. SO ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA PEOPLE CAN START HITTING THEIR PHONES NOW. BUT THAT'S VERY MINIMAL. I'M KIDDING BY THE WAY. IF YOU PAY ME TWO GRAND, THAT WOULD BE 2200, WHICH IS STILL ONE OF THE LOWEST AROUND BY FAR. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PROFORMA WAS BASED ON THAT I DID. SO NOTHING DRASTIC OTHER THAN THAT OCTOBER. YOU KNOW, HERE I AM LAST YEAR EVERY SINGLE MONTH WAS BETTER THAN THE PRIOR YEAR. THERE WASN'T ONE MONTH WHERE WE WERE THE SAME OR IN THE RED. AS FAR AS GROUNDS AND GROSS REVENUE. THIS OCTOBER, I'M ABOUT 5% UP OVER LAST OCTOBER, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE GREENS ARE HOLDING THEIR OWN. BUT THIS OCTOBER WAS THE HOTTEST ON RECORD THROUGH LAST SATURDAY. AND THEN THANKFULLY WE GOT AN INCH AND A HALF, TWO INCHES OF RAIN. AND I MEAN, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE PLAYED IT, I KNOW, MIKE, YOU'RE OUT THERE A LOT. YOU'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN. SUSIE'S OUT THERE A LOT. I HAD NO TEE BOXES IN FAIRWAYS. I GOT MY STEPS IN TWO WEEKS AGO AND MOVED 180 TEE MARKERS TO ANYWHERE ON TEE BOXES. I HAD SOME PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THE YARDAGE. HEY, THE SCORECARD SAID THIS. I SAID, LISTEN, RIGHT NOW THE BOXES. I AM TRYING TO PUT THE TEES ANYWHERE I CAN SEE LEAVES OF GRASS BECAUSE TEE BOXES WERE BECOMING SWELLS IN THE GROUND TO WHERE I COULDN'T EVEN TURN WITHOUT SLIPPING. NOW I'M GETTING SPROUTS. I'M PRAYING WITH THE

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THANKS, YOU KNOW, FOR DOING THAT. DAVID'S OUT THERE EVERY MORNING. YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, I'VE SEEN AND THAT'S THE NEW PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, AND I'LL SEE HIS TRUCK OVER THERE, AND I'LL GO OUT THERE AND HE'S KIND OF OVER BY THE COURTS. I MEAN, THIS IS GOOD. I LAUGH AS A BUT HE AND I LAUGHED TOGETHER AND I'M GOING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I COUNT THE NUMBER OF GOLF BALLS UP AGAINST THE FENCE, AND HE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE HE REPORTS THIS TO THE COMMITTEE. I'M GOING. ALL RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN THE OLD DAYS, THE HALF NET THEY HAD, NOTHING WAS THERE ON THE LINKS. IT WAS JUST AT THE TOP OF THE FENCE UP, AND A LOT OF BALLS WOULD GO IN THROUGH THERE. YES, THERE ARE STILL BALLS THAT GO OVER VERY RANDOM AND ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT NOTHING LIKE IT USED TO BE. BUT THE COUNT HE HAS THAT ARE THE BASE OF THAT FENCE. BELIEVE ME, THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW GOLF BALLS THERE THAT HADN'T CHANGED.

WELL, JUST THINK OF IT AS HE'S MEASURING THE SUCCESS OF YOUR NET. YEAH, WELL WELL, NO, NO, NO, I'M TELLING THE STORY. I'M NOT TALKING GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU. SIR. IT'S NOT MY NET. IT WAS JUST A SIMPLE FIX. THERE'S STILL THERE'S STILL ONLY ONE ULTIMATE THING TO STOP IT. AND THAT'S THE COURTS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO. AND I'M I SIGNS.

I DIDN'T PUT PICKLEBALL COURTS OR TENNIS BALL COURTS. I PUT COURTS. SO BECAUSE OF TODAY, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT SPORTS ON A COURT THAT HAS CHANGED WITH OUR TIME. WE YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT THE PUMPS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE LAST WEEKEND HIT WEATHER WISE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A LEAK. WE'VE KNOWN THIS IN 17 IN THE AFFLUENT POND. AND THEY'RE HAVING TO PUT WATER OUT. SO THEY WERE PUTTING MORE WATER OUT ON CEDAR BREAKS. SO OUR PRESSURE WENT LOW ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO ON THE PUMP. SO WE COULDN'T RUN ANY IRRIGATION ANYMORE. IT TOOK US SIX MONTHS TO GET PUMP FIXED. NUMBER TWO PUMP. SO THE JOCKEY WOULD KICK IN AND WE COULD DO IT WITHOUT THE STAFF SHOWING UP AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING. BUT. WE COMMUNICATED. I'VE GOT A MEETING THURSDAY MORNING. YOU KNOW, WE PUT CHEMICALS DOWN WITH KIND OF PREEMPTIVE. THIS IS TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED. WE PUT STUFF DOWN ON THE GREENS. WE HAD TO WATER THEM IN. WE HAD NO PRESSURE. WE GOT WATERED IN. WE HAD WATER. I MEAN, WHICH IS FINE. IT JUST TAKES LONGER AND YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE MORNING BEFORE PLAY. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT FIVE HOURS LATER THAT THIS WAS A SITUATION, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PLAY 17, YOU LOOK OVER AT THE EFFLUENT. NOW IT'S 12FT LOWER. YOU SEE THE LINE OF WHERE IT USED TO BE. SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS BETWEEN ERNESTO, WHO IS THE NEW TITLE WISE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND I HAVE A GOOD RAPPORT WITH HIM, I SUPPORT HIM, I THINK HE'S GOOD, AND COMMUNICATION WITH VICTOR, THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND THEN JORGE, OUR SUPERINTENDENT, MYSELF, WE'RE MEETING THURSDAY MORNING AT NINE JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT EFFLUENT NEEDS WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR ISSUES, BUT WHAT THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS AND HOW WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE. AND IF WE COMMUNICATE, LITTLE THINGS WON'T HAPPEN. SO THAT'S A POSITIVE. AND ALONG WITH WEATHER, I'M NOT STRESSED OUT ABOUT THAT ANYMORE. BECAUSE OF THE COOLER TEMPERATURES AND TWO INCHES OF RAIN. THE GOLF. ALSO MET TODAY WITH HER NESTO HE CAME BY. I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE BRING UP ISSUES. I BROUGHT THIS UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. COUNCIL FRIENDS PROBABLY KNOWS ABOUT IT, BUT COUPLE CITIZENS ABOUT WHEN YOU PULL OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOWARDS THE DRIVING RANGE, BUT THE NORTH SIDE. LIKE I'M GOING TO DRIVE TO CITY HALL. BOTH THE ENTRY SIGNS, LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE

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ERNESTO IS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. HE AGREED WITH WHAT WE WERE SAYING. BOTH THOSE SIGNS HAVE THE OLD LOGO FOR THE GOLF COURSE ON IT, WHICH NEEDS TO HAVE THE NEW LOGO ON IT. SO THE ONE SIGNS. FINE. I CAN TAKE CARE OF THE LOGO. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE THAT OTHER SIGN, BUT HE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE OF THE GUIDELINES, DISCUSS IT WITH CHARLES CITY MANAGER, 30 ML CONFERENCE IN FORT WORTH WHEN THEY GET BACK NEXT WEEK. AND WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT THAT WAS A GOOD MEETING AND MADE A COUPLE OF CITIZENS HAPPY, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. MOVING ON. THE GREEN THAT WAS RAINED OUT LAST FRIDAY IS THIS SATURDAY. THAT'S MORE OF A FOOD AND BEVERAGE EVENT COORDINATOR, BUT THEY HAD A GOOD SHOWING LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DID IT. AND THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA WEEKENDS. AS YOU GOLFERS KNOW, YOU KNOW IT'S SLOWING DOWN NOW BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF YEAR, THE TIME CHANGE. BUT OUR PARKING LOT IS FULL ON A SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AT TEN, 11:00 AND THEN THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK. SO THEY GO TO THE OVERFLOW UNLESS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE. SO I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT, HEY, I'VE GOT A SIGN COMING THAT SAYS OVERFLOW GOLF PARKING. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE POTHOLES IN THERE. NO STRIPES REALLY FADED. SO CHARLES, THE CITY MANAGER, IS AWARE HE'S GOING TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO TO HELP ME MAYBE GET THAT DONE. ANYTHING AGAIN WE CAN DO TO SPRUCE UP THE CLUBHOUSE AREA IS GREAT, BUT THAT'S ALSO A PARKING LOGISTIC SAFETY FACTOR WHEN WE'RE REALLY BUSY AND IT INVOLVES ANYONE THAT'S PLAYING TENNIS, PICKLEBALL, DRIVING RANGE, SO ON AND SO FORTH, OR PLAYING MUSIC IN THE BUNKER. SO YEAH, EXACTLY. SO I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IS IS GOOD. OH, I DID TWO SIDE VISITS. I DID WANT TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR STAFF MEETING LAST WEEK. I WENT TO HIDDEN FALLS IN MARBLE FALLS, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST COMPETITOR IN OUR PRICE RANGE THAT HIT BLACK LAST YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME, DID A SITE VISIT, TALKED TO DAVID, THEIR GOLF PROFESSIONAL, FOR A WHILE. THEY'RE ON TRACK TO DO ABOUT 44, SO A LITTLE BETTER THAN LAST YEAR. SO THEY'LL BE IN THE BLACK AGAIN. DELAWARE SPRINGS TALKED TO DONOVAN. THEY'RE DOING 55,000 ROUNDS AND THEY'RE KILLING IT LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN.

SO I MEAN, I, I KNOW THIS I JUST EVERY YEAR TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF, HEY, IT'S YOUR YEAR FLAT. YOU GUYS ARE HURTING. YOU'RE GOING UP. AND I DID GET A COMMENT. THIS WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF FUNNY. I WENT AND SAW ONE OF MY BUDDIES WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY OF. I'M HAVING A BRAIN LAPSE IN MY EARLY MIDLIFE AT 61. WEST OF HERE BEGINS WITH A K PLANE. THANK YOU THAT HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 22 YEARS AND HE RETIRED WITH THE CITY, AND NOW HE'S THE HEAD GOLF PROFESSIONAL AT THE LEGENDS IN KINGSLAND, OKAY. AND THEY'RE A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF OUR MARKET, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN THEM ANYWAY. BUT HE I WALK IN AND I WENT THERE TO PLAY ON AS WE KNOW THAT I GO AWAY TO PLAY SO I CAN PLAY GOLF AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WORK. BUT AND HE SAID, GREG, CONGRATULATIONS. I GO, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE GOES, WELL, I'VE HEARD THAT YOU GUYS MAY GET SOME WATER. SO BUT HE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ROUNDS. WE ALWAYS TALK, ALL OF US. AND HE KNEW THAT. YEAH, I HEAR YOU GUYS ARE A LOT BUSIER AND THINGS ARE LOOKING UP. AND THAT'S GREAT FOR GOLF. AND SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILOR PRINCE TALKED ABOUT ON IRRIGATION, I AGREE WITH I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO VICTOR. AND NOT ONLY ARE WE MEETING THURSDAY ON A FLUENT, WE'RE ALSO MEETING TO PREPARE TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE FOR LOGISTICS FOR WHEN IRRIGATION ACTUALLY STARTS. I GAVE YOU MY TIMELINE ON THE LAST THING I HEARD ANEW. I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, YADA YADA YADA. HE SAID, YEAH, DON'T GIVE HIM A SPECIFIC DATE. AND I SAID, WELL, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DATES EVER, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE RFP WILL GO OUT, NOT DECEMBER 1ST, BUT SOMETIME IN DECEMBER. I FEEL LIKE WE WILL HAVE

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SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ENOUGH OF LISTENING TO ME. QUESTION ANY SENSE, YOU THINK HOW MANY BIDS WILL GET FROM THE RFP? I'M SORRY ON THE RFP. ANY SENSE? HOW MANY BIDS WE GET? IT'S GOING TO BE ONE BIDDER. I CAN'T SAY THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS ALREADY OUT. SOMEONE ACCEPTED. PEOPLE TALK IN THE INDUSTRY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. USUALLY IT'S IT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE SHOULD TALK IN OUR INDUSTRY. WE MAY GET TWO AND WE MAY GET SIX. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DID WE RECEIVE LAST TIME? TWO. TWO. I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON PEOPLE THOUGHT THERE WERE MORE. YEAH, THE STUFF I SEEN, THERE WAS TWO I DON'T KNOW. COUNCILOR PRINCE MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA. I THOUGHT THERE WAS THREE, BUT MAYBE OFFICIALLY TWO. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, VICTOR'S OUR PROJECT MANAGER AS FAR AS MAKING THE RFP, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS INKED AND LEGIT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. GEORGE KNOWS LESS WELL WHO'S DONE OUR DESIGN. LESS IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS I KNOW LESS. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CORRECT. THERE'S 600 LESS HEADS. IT'S GOING TO SAVE THE CITY A LOT LESS MONEY. THAT'S ALL I REALLY CAN SAY. RFPS. THAT'S NOT THE PROCUREMENT MANAGER. ERIC AND AND VICTOR WILL GET ON THAT. I'M NOT. THAT'S THE LEAST OF MY CONCERN. QUESTION FOR YOU, GREG, ON THAT SIGNAGE THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO SIGNS THAT ARE UP. I SEEN THAT EMAIL FROM GINA. IT SEEMED LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALONG THE STREET OUT THERE, ALSO ON RIMROCK. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT FROM WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THE STREET. I DON'T REALLY NEED TO BRING THAT UP YET BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CODE. AND. GUIDELINE LAW AS FAR AS STREETS GO. AND BANESTO IS I'M SORRY ANASTO HE IS. I SHOWED HIM THAT THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNCILOR PARENTS. IT'S TOWARDS THE DRIVING RANGE AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T SEE THE OVERFLOW THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL PARK ON THE CURB. THAT GOES FROM RIGHT NEXT TO OUR CLUBHOUSE, DOWN TO THE DRIVING RANGE. BUT OUR STANDARD STREETS IN LARGO, AS WE ALL KNOW, ARE TWO LANES. YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE IT'S CURVED UP BY THE CLUBHOUSE, HAS MORE THAN A NORMAL LANE WIDTH. SO WHEN A CAR PARKS THERE, THE STREETS ARE JUST AS WIDE, BUT IT CAUSES MORE TRAFFIC. PEOPLE GETTING GOLF CLUBS OUT, PEOPLE FINISHING AROUND DRIVING A GOLF CART OVER THERE. IT GETS HECTIC AND BUSY.

A LITTLE KID, ESPECIALLY WITH PARENTS NOT WATCHING THEM DART OUT REAL QUICK. IT'S IT'S A IT'S A VERY GRAY AREA. BUT I DISCUSSED THAT IN DEPTH THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED. BUT THAT'S IN PUBLIC WORKS HANDS NOW AND I'VE ADDRESSED IT AND I SO WE'LL LISTEN TO HIM AND NO, NO. AND THAT'S CARS PARKING THERE. IT OBSTRUCTS VIEW. ALSO I KNOW WHEN I PULL OUT MY GOLF CART, IF THERE'S A VEHICLE PARKED PRETTY CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY, I INCH UP PRETTY CLOSE. OH YEAH, WITH YOUR GOLF CART AND LOOK DOWN TO THE RIGHT TO SEE NOBODY'S COMING. OH NO QUESTION.

SO YEAH, WHEN IT'S FULL, THAT SOUNDS, SOUNDS SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT YOU GOT IT ON THE LIST, SO NO PROBLEM. YEAH. THANK YOU. OH YOU'RE WELCOME. DID YOU I KNOW ON THE SUMMER MONTHS BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIT COOLER AND WETTER UP UNTIL PROBABLY AFTER JULY, THE END OF JULY WHILE SUMMER ROUNDS WERE UP. THE HOTTEST THING DID DID THEY KIND OF HOLD THEN THROUGH AUGUST AND

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BUT IN JULY, AUGUST. I'M GOING TO DO HALF THAT HERE. IT'S MORE ABOUT I'VE HAD MORE STEADY INFLUX OF PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT BASICALLY 32,000 ROUNDS AND YOU'RE DOING 2700, 2800 ROUNDS A MONTH AVERAGE. MY BEST MONTH. I NEVER TOUCHED FOUR, BUT I GOT OVER THREE, AND I HADN'T SEEN OVER THREE HERE IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS. SO IT'S MORE CONSISTENT, LARRY.

BUT ONCE WE GET IRRIGATION, THEN YOU'LL START SEEING, OKAY, WOW, WE DID 4000 ROUNDS PLUS, BUT I STAYED PRETTY STEADY BECAUSE OF THE GREENS. YEAH, IN THE SUMMER IT IS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WHEN I LEFT IN KIND OF EARLY AUGUST, IT WAS STILL PRETTY NICE FROM ALL THE RAIN IN JULY, IT WAS STILL KIND OF HOLDING AND THE GREENS HAVE BEEN GOOD AND THE GREENS KEEP GETTING BETTER. YEAH, WONDERFUL. WE GOT STRESSED TWICE I KNOW. BUT IT'S THERE'S STILL COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH. NO I UNDERSTAND SO MUCH BETTER I AGREE 100%. BUT COMING BACK THE FAIRWAYS WERE DIRT. YOU KNOW THAT I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOU CONTINUE TO GET THAT LEVEL OF PLAY, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT PEOPLE COME OUT AND THEY BEGIN TO SEE THAT AND GO, WELL, IS THIS WORTH PAYING OR NOT? WE HAVE A FEW. I MEAN, I'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS, BUT ONCE, IF THEY'RE EDUCATED CORRECTLY, IT'S ALL GOOD. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T. BUT IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE AND THE STAFF AND MYSELF AND I KNEW HOW TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT, BUT JUST GETTING POUNDED ON. I SHOULDN'T HAVE PAID YOU $10 TO PLAY OUT HERE. I CAN'T EVEN PUT ON A GREEN EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT I GOT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. ACTUALLY, I DON'T GET THAT ANYMORE. WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE STATS ON THE GOLF. GOLF NOW REVIEWS. HOW MUCH LOWER WAS TWO YEARS AGO AND HOW. YEAH. AND HOW. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IT IS GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO THE

[IV. 1. Approval of minutes for August 26, 2025, Golf Course Advisory Committee meeting. ]

[IV.2. Consideration and Possible action regarding GCAC 2025 work plan activities.]

ANYTHING TO REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE AND I MET. HE KNEW HIS SURGERY IS COMING UP. SO AFTER THAT HE'S GOING TO REACH OUT TO SHANE, WHO WILL BE OUR NEW MAYOR AND OUR NEW CITY MANAGER. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SET NO ONE ON ONES, NO. GAGE AND I, WITH EACH OF THOSE THAT JUST GET BOTH OF THEIR VIEWS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND YOU KNOW WHAT REPORTS THEY GET, DON'T GET. WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE CHANGES TO THAT ANY EXPECTATIONS OF US AS A COMMITTEE. SO SORT OF GET, YOU KNOW, THE TWO PROBABLY MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE FOR NEXT YEAR GET THEIR LATEST VIEWS. OKAY. YOU EXPECT TO DO THAT SOMETIME THIS YEAR. YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD THINK WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH FOR SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO. I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION HE SAID HE DID A PROFORMA. GREG DID A PROFORMA. I WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING HE'D BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH US. OR MAYBE AT SOME

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THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD PLACE TO GET IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE THINK WE DO AS A COMMITTEE IS MAYBE SORT OF BUILD A PRO FORMA MODEL THAT WOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL OR ANY CITIZENS A SENSE OF, LOOK, IF THIS SORT OF RANGE OF ROUNDS HAPPEN, HERE'S SOME BALLPARK FINANCIAL RESULTS YOU COULD EXPECT FOR IT. SO I THINK THE TOP LINE BECOMES, IN MY MIND, PRICE. NOT EASY TO DO. THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES IS WHAT IMPROVEMENTS DO YOU NEED AS ROUNDS GROW. RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE HE'S TALKED ABOUT HIS TEE BOXES, HIS FAIRWAYS. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL SPENDING NEEDED TO IF HE'S EVER GOING TO GET TO LIKE 40,000 ROUNDS. SO SO HE LEFT. BUT ON ON THAT SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING ON DISCUSSIONS, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CIP PROGRAMS, ANY INVESTMENTS. AND ONE OF THE ONES I THINK, PAUL, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION WAS, WAS THERE ANYTHING OR SOMEBODY DID ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY THING IN THAT FOR THE GOLF COURSE? AND HIS COMMENT WERE NOT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN NOW, FISCAL YEAR 26, BECAUSE UNTIL YOU GET THE IRRIGATION AND THERE ISN'T. BUT I THINK HE FULLY EXPECTED THAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT THERE WOULD. SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE COULD WORK WITH WITH HIM ON. AS FAR AS WHAT IS THAT HELP PROMOTE THAT? OKAY. IS, AS I RECALL, I THINK A BIG ONE IS GOING TO BE ON THE LABOR FRONT. I THINK WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS ALL THAT TIME WE WERE WASTING PATCHING UP THE EXISTING SYSTEM, IT'S GOING TO FREE OUR GUYS UP TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY DO ON A REGULAR GOLF COURSE. SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOT A, NOT A THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW COSTS ON THE LABOR SIDE. WE'RE JUST TAKING ALLOCATING TIME, REALLOCATING TIME, ALONG WITH WHATEVER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THERE IS ON THE MATERIALS. WELL, HE DID HE DID SAY IN THAT THAT THAT THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR STAFF. ONCE YOU GET TO THAT, ONCE PLAY GETS UP TO THOSE LEVELS, YOU NEED MORE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE EATING, MORE STAFF, GOLF CART STAFF, THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I THINK HIS EXPECTATION IS THERE COULD BE SOME GROWTH IN PERSONNEL AT THAT POINT. BUT THAT'S AFTER YOU GET TO IRRIGATION, THE COURSE IMPROVES AND YOU START DOING YOUR MARKETING. THEN YOU CAN DO THAT. SO OKAY, VERY GOOD.

THAT'S IT. ANYTHING DOWN ON THIS END? NO NO NO WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. I GUESS

[IV. 3. Consideration and Possible action regarding GCAC Future Meeting Dates.]

IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT ARE. I KNOW IT'S VEGETATION REPLACEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE TREE MITIGATION FUND IS BASICALLY THE FUNDS THAT BUILDERS PAY WHEN THEY CUT DOWN TREES AND DON'T REPLACE THEM KIND OF THING. SO RIGHT NOW THE FUND IS LARGER THAN NORMAL BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES. RIGHT? WELL NOT REALLY. YEAH. NO, NO BECAUSE IT'S OH NO NO IT'S. OH OKAY. WHY AS, AS AN EXAMPLE DOWN AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME, THEY BUILT A NEW HOUSE AND I WALKED BY THERE ONE DAY AND THERE'S THIS RV BOAT STORAGE GARAGE BEING BUILT ON THAT. AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT IS THIS OAK TREE ABOUT THAT BIG AROUND. I WENT, WOW, THIS IS INTERESTING. THAT'S COSTUME AND CHECKED ON IT. AND THEY HAD THEY HAD NO PERMIT. THAT WASN'T PART OF THE WHOLE THING. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, THEY DIDN'T REPLACE IT SOMEHOW BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE WITH EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF INCHES OR SOMETHING OR COMPLICATED. MOSTLY IT'S MOSTLY IT'S FRINGE, RIGHT. SO IF YOU CUT DOWN A TEN, IT STARTS WITH TEN INCHES DIAMETER, MEASURED 30IN ABOVE THE GROUND. AND THE REASON I SAID THAT TO SARAH HILL DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE A LOT OF MONEY IS BECAUSE THAT WAS ALMOST ALL.

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WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDS ON WHERE THEY CAN DO SO. FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S A FEW MORE I WOULDN'T MIND THEM CUTTING. YEAH. KEEP GETTING IN THE WAY OF YOUR BALL. YES. I WANT A WHOLE TEN ESPECIALLY. AND I THINK IT PROBABLY IS PLACES ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION WITH GREG, YOU YOU ALL WERE TO SAY IT'D BE NICE TO GET SOME TREES PLANTED HERE OR TO TRY TO ADD SOME SHRUBBERY OR GREENERY. THEN I THINK THAT IT COULD WELL BE CITY PROPERTY, AND IT'S MEETING THE EXACT INTENT OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT TO REFURBISH THE CLUBHOUSE. NO NO NO NO NO NO, I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING ON THE GROUNDS. BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GOLF COURSE AND IT'S LIKE, WHERE DOES THAT FIT ANYWAY? I JUST THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE THREE TIMES AND I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THAT. SEE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO LEVERAGE ALL THESE POOLS OF MONEY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW SHOULDN'T IGNORE IT. SO ALL RIGHT, LAST ITEM. FUTURE MEETINGS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY REASON I GUESS TO CLARIFY SO THAT THE NOVEMBER DATE IS THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING, TWO DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING. SO IN MY MIND, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A QUESTIONABLE DATE TO HAVE A MEETING. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, IT'S ALSO CHRISTMAS WEEK, WHICH IS EVEN WORSE. AND TYPICALLY WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT ONE VOICE CANCELED THAT ONE. MAYBE HOLD ON NOVEMBER 1ST. BUT THE DECEMBER 1ST WE NEVER HAD. SO I GUESS I'LL ASK, DOES ANYONE SEE ANY REASON TO HOLD A MEETING IN NOVEMBER? AND IF THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH GOING ON, WELL. UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO GIVE US A REPORT ON YOUR MEETING. BUT THAT COULD ALWAYS WAIT, RIGHT? THAT'S GOING TO BE IN 30 DAYS. SO, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY LIKELIHOOD OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S GAGE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT. SO HE USED HIS CONNECTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO SET THAT UP. SO THE LIKELIHOOD YOU'D HAVE TO I WOULD THINK IF THERE WAS A MEETING IN NOVEMBER, YOU'D WANT TO TRY TO SCHEDULE IT AT A DIFFERENT DATE THAN THE REGULAR DATE. OH, ABSOLUTELY. NO. SO THAT PUSHES YOU BACK UP INTO ABOUT THREE WEEKS, THE SAME THING THREE WEEKS FROM NOW. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE AND THEN YOU'D GET INTO DECEMBER GETS KIND OF HECTIC. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE NO MORE MEETINGS FOR THE YEAR UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING AND THERE'S SOMETHING COMES UP THAT'S NEEDED. WE COULD DO A SPECIAL CALL ME THAT WORKS. SO THAT WOULD BE JANUARY 27TH. SO THE NEXT MEETING, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING THEN WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN OF THE YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 27TH. YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH. I'M OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY. OH WELL. AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. WHAT DID HE SAY? HE'S OUT OF TOWN. OUT OF TOWN? YEAH. THE TUESDAY BEFORE THAT TO. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ELECTION OF OFFICERS TIME. YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BE OUT OF TOWN.

I'M ON A CRUISE SHIP, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S CHANGING. YES, PAUL. SO AS YOU POINTED OUT IN YOUR EMAIL, LARRY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST HERE WHOSE TERM IS EXPIRING THIS CALENDAR YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO THAT IS JACK. GAGE. AND SO OUR OUR DAYS

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AND SO THEN PROBABLY A WEEK AFTER THAT, THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO SWEAR IN THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE OLD ONES THAT ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ON THERE. AND THEN THE THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE THE 20TH, PROBABLY ON THAT AGENDA. NEW LIAISONS WILL BE SELECTED. AND FOR EVERY COMMITTEE. AND THEN THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER WOULD BE WHEN ALL OF THE, THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE, WOULD BE MADE. SO THAT'S IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY NOT NOT A BAD IDEA FOR YOU ALL TO SKIP NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ANYWAY. JUST WORKING AROUND THAT AS WELL. BUT BEFORE THAT JANUARY MEETING, THE ALL OF THE ASSIGNMENTS THAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE DONE. RIGHT. AND I'VE SEEN SOME PLACE OUT THERE, I WAS LOOKING FOR IT WHEN I SENT THAT EMAIL OUT, REMINDING EVERYBODY THAT THERE WASN'T A DATE. AND THEN I SEEN SOMETHING RECENTLY. IN FACT, I THINK IT WAS IN THE THE LAST NEWSLETTER THAT CAME OUT WITH THE WATER BILL THAT SAID THAT NOVEMBER 6TH, NOVEMBER 6TH WAS THE COUNCIL CUTOFF FOR SUBMITTING. APPLICATIONS FOR COMMITTEES, SO THAT ALL THAT, ALL THAT ALL SYNCS UP TOGETHER. SO, ALL RIGHT. ARE WE LOSING ANYBODY? EXCUSE ME? ARE WE LOSING ANYBODY? YES THEY DO. OH, I THINK SO. WELL, JACK, SUSIE AND YOU ARE ALL RIGHT. YOUR TERM IS ANYBODY YOU'RE SIGNED UP TO GO AGAIN? I SAY GAGE TOLD ME HE'S SIGNING UP TO DO IT AGAIN. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. OKAY. OKAY.

OFFICIALLY THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY 27TH OF 2026. AND WITH THAT, AT

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.