[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
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          THIS MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. IT IS 2 P.M. PLEASE KNOW WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE HERE. AND WE WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE 
          [II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE. 51 AND WE WILL COVER ITEM NUMBER ONE, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0711 TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING CIVIL ACTION FILED AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. TWO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING CONCERNING ALL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE AS NEEDED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND THREE. CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5510711 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO A COMPLAINT MADE AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA ALLEGING DISCRIMINATION. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL RECESS WE'LL 
          [III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]
RECONVENE IN A REGULAR SESSION AT 3 P.M. YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND I'LL READ THROUGH EACH ITEM TO SEE IF ANY ACTION WAS TAKEN. NUMBER ONE, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0711 TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING CIVIL ACTION FILED AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. IS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR. NO ACTION. THANK YOU. NUMBER TWO, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL CONCERNING ALL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE AS NEEDED. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. IS THERE ANY ACTION, MAYOR? NO. ACTION. THANK YOU. NUMBER THREE, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0711 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO A COMPLAINT MADE AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA ALLEGING DISCRIMINATION. IS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR. NO ACTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL. NOW, IF YOU PLEASE RISE, WE WILL DO OUR PLEDGE. I'M SORRY, IF I MAY. WOULD YOU MIND ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SUMMARIZE THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES. THE CITY ATTORNEY. WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? MAYOR PROVIDED SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON ITEM 9.2, 9.3, 9.5, 9.6 AND 9.7. LET'S GO INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. ARE YOU FINE WITH JUST JUST PROVIDING. THAT'S FINE. AND I THINK WE ALSO DISCUSSED PROCEDURES AROUND MOTIONS THAT WE WILL CORRECT. YES. YES. ON ROSENBERG'S RULES. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAGS. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. WE'D LIKE. PLEASE STAY STANDING FOR VACATION. I HAVE COUNCILOR ALLEN HERE WHO'S LEADING US TODAY. THANK YOU. SO PLEASE JOIN ME AS AND BE REVEREND AS YOU SO CHOOSE. AS WE BEGIN THIS MEETING AND AS WE COME TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH OUR NEWLY SEATED COUNCIL, WE PAUSE TO RECOGNIZE THE RESPONSIBILITY ENTRUSTED TO EACH OF US BY THE PEOPLE OF LAGO VISTA. TODAY MARKS A FRESH START, A RENEWED COMMITMENT AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE WITH INTEGRITY AND PURPOSE. LET US CENTER OURSELVES ON THE VALUES THAT GUIDE GOOD GOVERNANCE, RESPECT, FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY AND A GENUINE DESIRE TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THOSE WE REPRESENT. 
          MAY WE LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER WITH PATIENCE, SPEAK WITH CLARITY, AND WORK THROUGH DIFFERENCES, WITH HUMILITY AND AN OPENNESS TO UNDERSTANDING. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEDICATION OF OUR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR VOLUNTEERS, AND EVERY RESIDENT WHO CONTRIBUTES TO THE STRENGTH AND CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEIR EFFORTS REMIND US THAT PROGRESS IS A SHARED ENDEAVOR. AS WE BEGIN OUR WORK TODAY, MAY WE APPROACH EACH DECISION THOUGHTFULLY. 
          REMAIN FOCUSED ON THE COMMON GOOD AND TREAT ONE ANOTHER WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND KINDNESS. 
          LET OUR ACTIONS REFLECT OUR SHARED COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY, COLLABORATION, AND THE LONG TERM WELL-BEING OF LAGO VISTA. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. WE WILL HEAD INTO ITEM SIX CITIZEN COMMENTS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM ACTING OR DISCUSSING OTHER THAN FACTUAL RESPONSES TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE 
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AGENDA. CITIZENS HAVE THREE MINUTES. I DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. I DO HAVE TWO HERE FOR SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN ITEMS OF 
          [VII. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
COMMUNITY INTEREST. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.0415, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY REPORT ON ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. A EXPRESSION OF THANKS, GRATITUDE, AND CONDOLENCES. B INFORMATION REGARDING HOLIDAY SCHEDULES. C RECOGNITION OF INDIVIDUALS. D REMINDERS REGARDING CITY COUNCIL EVENTS. E REMINDERS REGARDING COMMUNITY EVENTS OR F HEALTH AND SAFETY ANNOUNCEMENTS. AND I WILL START DOWN HERE WITH PLACE ONE. COUNCILOR JEFF, ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? NO, I DO NOT. COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. NO, SIR. 
          COUNCILOR SHAFFER REALLY? NONE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR ALLEN, I WILL JUST SAY THERE MAY BE ONE MORE DAY FOR THE LIONS BARBECUE. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. IF I DON'T FORGIVE ME. BUT IT'S IT'S WORTH IT FOR THANKSGIVING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILOR MENDES. YES, SIR. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND OUR CITY STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND ALSO THE TURNBACK CANYON CONSERVANCY GROUP. WE DID THE TRAIL OPENING AT TURNBACK CANYON, THE FIRST STEPS ON SATURDAY MORNING. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE THERE AND HAD A GREAT TURNOUT. 
          PEOPLE GOT TO WALK THE TRAIL AND CHECK OUT THE STREAM AND THE BRIDGE, AND SOME FOLKS MADE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE COVE. I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY SO I COULDN'T HIKE THE WHOLE THING, BUT I'M TOLD THE FULL TRAIL IS BEAUTIFUL. SO GET OUT THERE, HIKE THE TRAIL. IT'S AT FOOTHILL COVE, RIGHT AT THE TURNAROUND THERE. BUT I THINK JUST BEEN A LONG TIME COMING ABOUT FIVE YEAR EFFORT AT LEAST. AND IT SHOWS HOW CITY AND KIND OF VOLUNTEER PARTNERSHIPS CAN WORK WELL TOGETHER. SO I'M HOPING WE CAN DO MORE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE. NOTHING. MAYOR. 
          HOLIDAY CLOSINGS. CITY HALL WILL BE CLOSED WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK FOR THANKSGIVING. OKAY, TWO THINGS FOR ME. ONE IS COMMUNITY EVENT THAT I ANNOUNCED. SO I ANNOUNCED MAYOR SAM'S HOLIDAY LIGHTING CONTEST. I'M TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO DECORATE YOUR HOUSE. THERE IS A CASH PRIZE FOR FIRST AND SECOND PLACE, SO PLEASE GO TO MY SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES AND SIGN UP FOR THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. THERE'S NO COST TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND HERE IS I DO HAVE A RECOGNITION FOR COUNCILOR DURBAN. YES, PLEASE. OKAY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE AN AWARD HERE FOR COUNCILOR ROB DURBAN. AND RECOGNITION OF THE MILESTONES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO BE BURNED. THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR TIME AND LOYALTY AND DEDICATION. CITY COUNCIL 2019 TO 2025. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'VE SERVED IN OTHER CITIZEN ROLES ON COMMITTEES AS JUDGE, I KNOW YOU'LL CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH YOU AND TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH, IT DOES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS AFRAID. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS, ROB. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCIL, I THINK WE WILL JUMP 
          [X.1. Work session with incoming City Council Members.]
DOWN TO TEN ONE. THIS IS A WORK SESSION WITH INCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND CHARLES WILL LEAD US. THIS FOR THE PUBLIC IS A SORT OF SHORT TRAINING FOR COUNCIL. SINCE WE DO HAVE NEW MEMBERS AND THEY HAVE CREATED QUITE A BINDER FOR US. IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS, OF ALL THE THINGS FOR US TO REVIEW. AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO CHARLES TO GO THROUGH. MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF. WE DID PREPARE Y'ALL A BINDER. I THINK WE WE FOUND SOME OF THE OLD BINDERS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, AND THEY WERE A LOT THINNER, BUT THIS ONE'S A LOT THICKER BECAUSE WE ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD. SO WE ADDED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HANDBOOK THAT'S PRODUCED IN THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND SEVERAL GOOD DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. I DID SEE ONE LITTLE THING WE LEFT OUT OF HERE. I DIDN'T PUT THE CURRENT CHARTER IN HERE, BUT THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT IS CURRENTLY WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO DEVELOP A COMPLETE NEW CHARTER FOR THE CITY, AND THAT BOARD IS WORKING VERY WELL. SO THEY'RE DOING A THOROUGH JOB. I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH 3 OR 4 OTHER CHARTER COMMITTEES IN THIS BY 
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FAR IS THE MOST THOROUGH ONE THAT IS BEING DONE. SO KUDOS TO THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE DOING THAT PROJECT. BUT IN THIS BOOK, YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. AND FOR MAYORS AND COUNCILS, HOW CITIES ARE FUNDED. OH, ALL THE FUN STUFF OF BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE DOING THIS JOB. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE MAIN THINGS IS, IS I REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH ON IS CITY OF LAGO VISTA. WE ARE A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY YOU ALL SET THE POLICIES, THE ADOPT THE BUDGET ORDINANCES, AND THEN IT IS MY JOB TO SEE THAT IT IS CARRIED OUT BY STAFF. YOU ALL ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE AND I'M APPOINTED BY Y'ALL. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S A VERY BIG DEAL. I HAVE TO KEEP FIVE OF Y'ALL HAPPY. SO WHICH IS YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THAT'S AN EASY DO. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE STUFF I'M GETTING TO YOU. BUT I DID PUT SOME STUFF TOGETHER I PASSED OUT TO YOU. YOU KNOW IT'S A BRIEF, VERY BASIC DEAL ON COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. MY INTENTION WAS TO HAVE BRAD GIVE YOU A WHOLE CLASS ON ALL THIS TONIGHT. BUT HE SKIPPED THE COUNTRY AND DIDN'T INFORM HIS REPLACEMENT THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. SO WE LEFT THAT OUT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO NEED ALL OF Y'ALL TO DO, AND THIS MAY INCLUDE SOME OF OUR CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO LOCATE YOUR CERTIFICATES. I NEED EVERYBODY TO TAKE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TRAINING AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT TRAINING. I PROVIDED YOU A LINK TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, WHICH PROVIDES THE VIDEOS AND THE TRAINING FOR THAT. YOU'LL GET A CERTIFICATE AT THE END OF THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO KEEP THAT ON FILE TO HAVE IT A RECORD SHOWING THAT Y'ALL WERE PROPERLY TRAINED AND STUFF. SO THERE IS SOME PENALTIES IF YOU DON'T DO IT. BUT I DIDN'T READ ALL. ALL THE PENALTIES WERE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM. OKAY. IF WE CAN'T BETWEEN NOW AND THE 90 DAY MARK, IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEETING. MEETING THAT'LL BE A LITTLE LONG AND YOU'LL BE WATCHING THE VIDEOS IN HERE AND TAKING YOUR TEST UP THERE ON THE DEAL. SO. OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THIS STUFF TO YOU. I THINK WE'RE ALL ADULTS AND Y'ALL CAN READ THAT YOURSELF. CLOSED MEETINGS, OPEN MEETINGS, WHICH Y'ALL GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATION IN THAT ON HOW WE DO OUR MEETINGS. Y'ALL GOT SOME ORDINANCES AND CHALLENGES COMING AHEAD OF YOU. WE DO APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO SERVE. AND AS NEW MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING, I'LL BE I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. I DO HAVE A FEW YEARS OF SERVICE IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING. AND NO, BUT WE DO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL HERE THAT CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY FIRST TIME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. SO BUT I DO WELCOME Y'ALL AND THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, ALL OF YOU. BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THE JOB IS LIKE. 
          COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CHARLES I'LL TAKE COMMENTS AND CRITICISMS. DO THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD OR I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING THROUGH THE BOOK NOW, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME THAT WAS PUT INTO IT, SO I APPRECIATE IT. WELL, I WOULD TAKE CREDIT FOR ALL THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT CREDIT TO MY CITY SECRETARY. I JUST PUT A LIST OF THINGS TOGETHER, AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW, SHE'S PUTTING THEM ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO DO IT AND SHE TOOK OVER IT AND HAD IT DONE IN NO TIME. SO I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC STAFF MEMBERS HERE AT CITY HALL RIGHT NOW. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ADD WAS THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A GOOD READ TO GET DONE. ALSO, BY DECEMBER 4TH, YOU WERE SENT THE MASTER AGENDA LIST. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU RECEIVED IT. AS YOU SEE ON THERE, WE WILL GO OVER RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH WILL BREAK DOWN HOW WE REALLY WANT TO OPERATE UP HERE. WE'LL GO OVER A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PROCEDURES AND THE ETHICS CODE. SO I THINK THIS WILL HELP LEAD INTO THAT. YEAH. MAYOR. THANKS. 
          I, I THINK I SAW AN EMAIL FROM FROM SOMEONE MAYBE FROM CHARLES WHO TO COUNCIL ABOUT TRAINING. 
          AND I REMEMBER THERE, THERE THAT I DID AT ONE POINT A TRAINING SESSION WHICH WAS A LIVE TRAINING SESSION FOR NEW PUBLIC SERVICE COUNCIL MEMBERS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE CURRENTLY, DOES NOT HAVE ANY SCHEDULED. OKAY. MATTER OF FACT, I MEAN, WE DISCUSSED I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I 
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ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY NOTES HERE. TML PROVIDES A TRAINING CALL FOR NEW NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THE CITY WILL FUND THAT. WE WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY IN OUR. 
          WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY. WE DO ALLOCATE FUNDS EACH BUDGET YEAR FOR TRAINING FOR STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. GO TO SOME OF THESE TRAININGS. BUT IT'S A IT'S A NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENTLY SCHEDULED, BUT THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME ROLLOUT RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THEY USUALLY HAVE THEM RIGHT AFTER NOVEMBER AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THE MAY MEETINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR TWO PRIMARY ELECTION DATES IN TEXAS IS MAY AND NOVEMBER. SO THAT'S THAT'S A BIG DEAL. MATTER OF FACT, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT THAT BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT THEY ATTEND, THAT TRAINING SCHOOL BOARDS ARE REQUIRED TO GO TO TRAINING CITY COUNCILS OR NOT. I REALLY THINK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BENEFIT FROM GOING TO THAT TRAINING, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL HANDBOOK FOR BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER AND HOW YOUR CITY OPERATES. AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, OUT OF THE NUMBER OF CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, A MAJORITY OF THEM ALL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS, SAME ISSUES. 
          IT'S JUST ON DIFFERENT SCALES AND DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. BUT WE ALL DEAL WITH THE SAME THINGS. CITY MANAGERS, WE TALK ALL THE TIME, AND THERE'S VERY FEW SITUATIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE. 
          SO BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHARLES. THERE YOU GO. I TOLD YOU, I KEEP IT BRIEF. I 
          [VIII. CONSENT AGENDA]
GOT MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME HERE. COUNCILORS I WILL GO TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT, THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE TO BE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. COUNSELORS. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I WILL MAKE NOTE THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE MEETING MINUTES, BUT CITY SECRETARY HAD ALREADY CORRECTED IT, SO THEY ARE UP TO DATE. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I WILL NOW CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANY MEMBER WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR PRINCE HAS MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOVE. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR OWEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, I WILL. I GUESS MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO ROBIN. I DID ASK THIS COMPANY, THE AUDITOR, TO DETAIL LATER. ARE THEY ON RIGHT NOW THOUGH? YEAH. EXCUSE ME SO FORTH. OKAY. WELL THEN WITH THAT I WILL START WITH WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA NINE AND I'LL 
          [IX.1. Consideration and Possible action regarding Resolution No. 25-2166; a resolution by the City Council of the City of Lago Vista, Texas providing for the election of a Mayor Pro-Tem.]
START WITH POINT ONE. WE WILL GO TO CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2166, A RESOLUTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR THE ELECTION OF MAYOR PRO TEM. THERE'S NO STAFF REPORT OR COUNCIL REPORT ON THIS. SO I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T HAVE ANY UP HERE. SO GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE IT TO THE COUNCIL AND I AM OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS AND A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE CHARACTER OF NORMAL ACTION ITEMS WITH THE MAYOR WILL NOT LEAD WITH ANYTHING. I THINK THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL SITUATION, SINCE THIS IS THE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD TO COUNCIL THAT COUNCILOR NORMA OWEN WILL SERVE AS MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HER. WE GO BACK TO OUR DAYS. SHE HAS BEEN IN NUMEROUS LEADERSHIP POSITIONS HERE, AND I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN HER ABILITY TO STEP INTO MY ROLE IF I'M NOT HERE. AND SO I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL. OH YEAH, I THINK I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL SELECTION. I FULLY SUPPORT THAT ALSO. MAYOR CHO I, I HAVE. NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS I'VE MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS AROUND, 
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AROUND SELECTING MAYOR PRO TEM THAT IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE WHO'S BEST QUALIFIED AND WHO HAS THE THE TIME AND ENERGY TO DO IT. I THINK NORM WAS A GREAT CHOICE. YOU KNOW, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT MAYOR PRO TEM BEING SOMEONE WHO'S UP ON THE DAIS FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I ALSO THINK THAT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE. AND SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE APPOINT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. COUNCILOR PRINCE MAKES A MOTION TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR BENEFIELD AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I'D LIKE TO ADD MY $0.02 HERE. I THINK PAUL PRINCE CERTAINLY IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE MAYOR PRO TEM, ALTHOUGH I ACKNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN PRECEDENT IN LAGO VISTA THAT A MAYOR PRO TEM ONLY SERVES ONE YEAR, AND IT'S A ONE AND DONE SITUATION THAT IS FAR FROM PRECEDENT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS, MAYOR PRO TEM SERVED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. THEY CAN SERVE, COME BACK AS A COUNCILMAN, AND THEN COME BACK AND SERVE AGAIN. 
          AND HONESTLY, THERE'S NOBODY ON THIS DAIS THAT'S MORE PREPARED TO LEAD THE MEETINGS AND IN SHANE'S ABSENCE THAN COUNCILOR PRINCE. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE. COUNCILOR PRINCE. SO YOU HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY COUNCILOR BENEFIELD TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR PRINCE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. I'M GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT. HAS SECONDED THAT. SO WE ARE NOW ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? AS A REMINDER, THERE'S ALSO ANY COUNCILOR CAN PROVIDE ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT. NORMA OWEN BE APPOINTED AS THE. MAYOR PRO TEM. APPOINT. THAT MOTION IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE AS NUMBER SLOTTED. 
          NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER FOUR, I SEE I DIDN'T DIDN'T HEAR THAT IT WAS ON THE ON THE TABLE ALREADY. SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. IS STILL COUNCILOR BENFIELD'S NOMINATING COUNCILOR PRINCE AND HAS BEEN SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. AND WE'RE STILL ON THAT DISCUSSION. DOES ANYBODY IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DON'T REALIZE THIS, THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO NOT TO SELECT A NEW MAYOR PRO TEM AFTER EACH ELECTION YEAR. SO THAT IS WHY IT'S GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT. MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO IF I'M ABSENT, THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILL FILL THIS ROLE. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST TO SUPPORT WHY I AM NOMINATING MISTER PRINCE. YOU KNOW, BEING BEING ON COUNCIL IS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE I CONSIDER EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL MY FRIENDS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK HONESTLY. AND WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS THE MOST HONEST, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM I CAN POSSIBLY PROVIDE WHILE BEING DOING IT AS KINDLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN. I CONSIDER COUNCILOR OWEN TO BE A PERSONAL FRIEND. I SERVED WITH HER AT THE LIONS. I THINK SHE'S FANTASTIC. AND IF IF WE GET TO THAT FIRST NOMINATION WHERE IT COMES BACK TO COUNCILOR OWENS, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT IT 100%. THE REASON I'M CHOOSING I NOMINATED COUNCILOR PRINCE IS BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU'RE THE MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ROSENBERG RULES. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE DAIS. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO EMOTION. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REGURGITATE IT. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RESTATE IT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEETING IS BEING RUN PROPERLY. AND. I THINK COUNCILOR PRINCE IS JUST MORE EQUIPPED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SEAMLESSLY THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON THE ON THE DAIS. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A FRIENDSHIP THING. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A PERSONAL VENDETTA. IT'S JUST WHO'S MOST CAPABLE. THAT'S IT. IF I COULD IF I COULD JUST SAY I. ACTUALLY DO CONSIDER EVERYONE UP HERE 
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AND AND FEEL THAT EVERYONE IS VERY, VERY CAPABLE. THAT SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. I THINK THROUGH THAT THROUGH THE YEARS, AS I STARTED OFF WITH THEN MOVING ON TO PLANNING AND ZONING, OF COURSE, NOW PRESIDENT WITH THE LIONS AND BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER, ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, YES, I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TIRED, MAYBE NOT JUST DIRECT, BUT I DEFINITELY HAVE RUN NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND WHEN IT COUNTED, I WAS THERE. NOW I CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO SERVE AT THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL. I'D LIKE YOU, COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. WHOEVER IS CHOSEN WILL FULLY BACK. I DO APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S CONFIDENCE IN ME. WE HAVE HAD A REALLY GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP OVER THE YEARS. SO IN THAT I, I, I'M HONORED BY YOU PLAYING FORWARD. AND LIKE I SAID, SHOULD THE COUNCIL CHOOSE ME, I WILL DO MY BEST TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. AND LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY THAT. I'VE HAD QUITE A FEW. SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN MY LIFE THAT HAVE. IN ONE WAY, GIVEN ME A STRENGTH THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT EVER COMPREHEND. AND SO IN THAT REGARD, I THINK THAT ANY ONE OF US THREE TO INCLUDE MYSELF WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE. THE CITIZENS WON'T LOSE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR OWEN. AND I WILL ADD THAT I THINK THAT ALL THREE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED UP HERE ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTHY. I THINK IT'S ALSO SOME PRECEDENCE THAT THE MAYOR TYPICALLY ALSO WEIGHS IN AND MAKES A DECISION. I BELIEVE THEY THINK MAYOR PRO TEM WOULD BE. AND I STILL, AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO HAS OFFERED THEMSELVES. I STILL BELIEVE THAT COUNCILOR OWEN IS THE BEST FOR IT, AND THAT'S WHO I STRONGLY URGE THIS COUNCIL TO GO WITH. AND I GUESS THIS IS WHERE I WAS GOING TO TEST MY OWN SYSTEM AND ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, AM I ABLE TO MAKE MY OWN SUBSTITUTE MOTION AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER? BECAUSE I DID NOT HIT THREE SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS INTO MY RESEARCH OF THAT. AND I'VE ASKED COUNCILOR BENFIELD, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THESE RULES AS WELL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY REASON THE MAYOR CANNOT MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION RIGHT NOW? NO, YOU. AS LONG AS IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL THREE, YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY MOTIONS ON THE BOARD AS YOU WANT. THERE WASN'T AN ORIGINAL MOTION. I DIDN'T MAKE ONE. I JUST SIMPLY SUGGESTED. I THINK THE ONLY MOTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH A SECOND THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT YOU THAT YOU MOTIONED IT AND KAREN SECONDED IT. SHE SAID, I SUPPORT IT 100%. OKAY. WELL, THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION WHEN I SAID IT THOUGH. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS YOU MENTIONED PRECEDENT AND THAT YOU ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, ARE MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION. I'LL JUST REMIND YOU THAT LAST YEAR, MAYOR SULLIVAN MADE THE SAME RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE COUNCILOR PRINCE BE THE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE MR. ROB DURBIN. AND SO I DON'T SEE THE PRECEDENT. YES, THE MAYOR CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION NO DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AT THE SAME CLOUT AND VALIDITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WAS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE MAYOR MADE A RECOMMENDATION NO DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. THE COUNCIL CHOSE. MR. DURBIN, YOU OBVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED MISS ELLEN. BUT RIGHT NOW BEFORE US IS A VOTE ON MISTER PRINCE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? IF NOT, I WILL MOVE TO A VOTE. MORE DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE VOTING ON COUNCILOR BENFIELD'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO PUT FORWARD COUNCILOR PRINCE TO BE MAYOR PRO TEM, WHICH WAS SECONDED BY. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY, NAY. NAYS HAVE IT. I ACTUALLY DID NOT VOTE, WHICH WAS INTENTIONAL. 
          AND JUST FOR THE RECORD. YEAH. SO WE HAVE ABSTAINING COUNCILOR PRINCE SO. SO SUBSTITUTE MOTION FAILS. IS THAT FOR TWO WITH ONE ABSTAINING. SO NOW THAT PUTS US BACK ON THE SECOND MOTION. THE 
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SECOND MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILOR PRINCE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR BENEFIELD FOR MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BEFORE I OPEN UP THE VOTE ON THAT? I SEE NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE SAY NAY. NAY, NAY. THE MOTION FAILS 3 TO 4. AND SO NOW WE ARE BACK ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION BY MAYOR SHANE SAAM, NOMINATING COUNCILOR OWEN, WHICH WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILOR VAN NESS. 
          IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT BEFORE VOTING? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. SOMEBODY ABSTAIN? NO. OKAY. SO THAT'S UNANIMOUS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR OWEN AS MAYOR PRO TEM IS UNANIMOUS. AND WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. I WILL MOVE INTO ITEM TWO AS I DO HAVE A SOMEBODY SIGNED UP FOR COMMENTS ON THAT. SO 
          [IX.2. Consideration and Possible action regarding Resolution No. 25-2167 through Resolution No. 25-2175; resolutions of the City Council of the City of Lago Vista, Texas appointing individuals to serve as Council Liaisons to various Boards/Commissions/Committees for the 2026 calendar year.]
NUMBER TWO CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2167 THROUGH RESOLUTION NUMBER 252175 RESOLUTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, APPOINTING INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE AS COUNCIL LIAISONS TO VARIOUS BOARDS COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR. AND I BELIEVE, CHARLES, I TURN THAT OVER TO YOU. YOU MISSED IT ON THIS ONE. I'M NOT LISTED, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW. THERE IS A RESOLUTION FOR EACH BOARD TO BE THERE. THERE'S BEEN A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD REGARDING THIS ITEM. SO Y'ALL ARE PUTTING OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO WORK THIS VERY FIRST MEETING. YEAH, I THINK WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A MEMO FROM CHARLES IN THERE DISCUSSING WHETHER WE SHOULD EVEN HAVE COUNCIL LIAISONS. WE CAN START THERE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, THIS AGENDA ITEM DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT DECISION, BUT WE CAN SEE WHAT SORT OF CONSENSUS OR NOT, THAT THERE IS ON THAT ITEM. AND GOING FROM THERE WILL DETERMINE THE NEXT STEP, WHETHER WE WANT TO TABLE THIS ITEM OR JUST CONTINUE FORWARD. SO, MAYOR, IF I CAN MAKE ONE COMMENT, I DID ISSUE A MEMO TO Y'ALL JUST GIVING Y'ALL A ONE OPTION OF NOT HAVING LIAISONS, BUT I DO. 
          AFTER READING COMMENTS ON OUR DISCUSSION BOARD AND DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING LIAISONS, JUST WANT THE RECORD. TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU ALL OPTIONS AND ALL INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE. DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR YOUR ONE? YEAH, I WILL I WILL INCLUDE ONE STATEMENT ON THAT THAT I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING COUNCIL LIAISONS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SHOULD HAVE A COUNCIL LIAISON SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD, AND IT IS A AS ONE OF MY CITIES, I PUT IT, THEY ALWAYS PUT IT AS THAT'S KIND OF LIKE YOUR SUPREME COURT. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN BE OVERRIDDEN IS IF IT'S GO TO DISTRICT COURT. SO I JUST DON'T THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT BOARD AT ALL. THAT THAT BOARD NEEDS TO REALLY BE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD ALL BY ITSELF. COUNCILPERSON. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IN THE PROCEDURE FOR DISCUSSION THAT YOU OUTLINED FOR US BEFORE WE HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION, DID YOU WANT TO GO TO CITIZEN COMMENT THAT AS A STAFF REPORT? SO I WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. CURRENTLY I JUST HAVE ONE CITIZEN RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE GET WITH THE CITY SECRETARY TO SIGN UP. BUT I WILL CALL GENE HARRIS. GOOD AFTERNOON STAFF COUNCIL RESIDENTS. MY NAME IS GENE HARRIS. WHEN I WAS KIND OF MULLING THIS AROUND, WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE ADDRESSES THE USE OF COUNCIL LIAISONS AT COMMISSION MEETINGS, PRIMARILY IN TWO KEY PUBLICATIONS THE 2025 HANDBOOK FOR MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT MADE EASY. 
          THESE RESOURCES DESCRIBE COUNCIL LIAISONS AS A PRACTICAL AND STANDARD TOOL IN MANY TEXAS CITIES FOR IMPROVING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND ADVISORY BODIES. 
          THEY DID INDICATE CAUTION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE WOULDN'T. THERE WASN'T A A QUORUM THAT 
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WOULD OCCUR IF MORE OR IF ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDED ANY GIVEN MEETING THAT WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THAT WAS THE ONLY REAL CAUTION THAT I THAT I SAW SOME CITIES USE STAFF LIAISONS FOR COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT LIKE LAGO VISTA, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT USE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AS A COMMISSION MEMBER, I LIKE HAVING COUNCIL LIAISON IN ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS. COUNCIL AND STAFF LIAISON PROVIDE A BALANCE AND ANOTHER TWO RESOURCES, IF YOU WILL, WHEN MAKING DECISIONS. AND ANOTHER CAUTION, I GUESS, THAT I KIND OF CAME UP WITH. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY. I DIDN'T COME UP WITH IT. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO NOT SPEAK IN A WAY TO INFLUENCE THE COMMISSION. AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE IT IS INCUMBENT ON STAFF TO PRESENT ALL THE FACTS ABOUT A TOPIC AND NOT INFLUENCED BY COMMISSION OR OMISSION. SO I FEEL LIKE HAVING BOTH. THERE IS A WAY TO HOLD THE PROCESS ACCOUNTABLE. MORE EYES ON THE MACHINE. MAYBE IT GIVES A BETTER PRODUCT. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN, I GUESS, OUR NORMAL PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE LIAISONS, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA ITEM AS IT'S WRITTEN? COUNCILMAN BENNEFIELD YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO. ADDRESS. CITY MANAGER CHARLES WEST ON THE ELIMINATION OF THE LIAISON FOR THE BOA. I THINK THE LIAISON FOR THE BOA IS JUST AS IMPORTANT, ESSENTIAL AS THE OTHER LIAISONS? YES, IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL, AND BUT YOU STILL HAVE RULES AND PROCEDURES TO FOLLOW. THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATION BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. IF THERE'S CONTINUED VARIANCES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT A COUNCIL LEVEL, ANY BOARD CAN HAVE INAPPROPRIATE ACTION HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD LIAISON. AND I JUST I THINK ALL IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LIAISONS WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING, THEN ALL COMMISSIONS SHOULD HAVE A SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THIS. IF THERE'S CONSENSUS FOR KEEPING LIAISONS THAT WE DON'T MAYBE DON'T HAVE TO DIVE DEEP ON THAT SUBJECT AND GO ON WITH THE APPOINTING COUNCILOR. ALDERMAN, I ACTUALLY JUST I WAS HOPING TO MAYBE CONSIDER EVALUATING THE RISK SIDE OR HAVING THE ATTORNEY JUST LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF HAVING A LIAISON PRESENT ON ANY OF I AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING LIAISONS FOR COMMUNICATION PURPOSES. LIKE YOU'VE STATED. HOWEVER, THE B OF A IS THE LAST STOP BEFORE IT DOES GO TO THE COURT SYSTEM. AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH CHANCE TO GIVE OUR CURRENT COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEEP DIVE IN THIS. I SIMPLY WOULD LIKE TO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE MAKE A REQUEST FOR COUNCIL TO IF WE COULD ALL MAKE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE ASK COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE B OF A IN PARTICULAR, JUST IMPLICATIONS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I. LIKE EVERYONE STATED UP HERE BEFORE Y'ALL STATED I AM IN FAVOR OF LIAISONS IN TERMS OF BEING CLOSER TO THE PEOPLE, BEING A DIRECT REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON KEEPING THE GUARDRAILS STRAIGHT AND NARROW. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR HALL. I THINK THOSE ARE THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT CONCERN FOR APPOINTING A LIAISON TO THE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HAS SOME VALIDITY. HOWEVER, I RECENTLY SERVED ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THAT WAS MY LAST APPOINTMENT, AND I FOUND THE LIAISON EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN IN PROVIDING APPROPRIATE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS THE REALITY AND HOW HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED. AND, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT WAS BENEFICIAL CERTAINLY TO ME AS, AS A MEMBER OF THAT BOARD. AND I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING CONTINUING THAT ROLE. JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH HIM AS WELL. AS LONG AS WE ARE MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, THE RULES AND PROPER PROCEDURES 
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THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR WHAT LIAISON IS AND WHAT THEY ARE OUTLINED AND WHAT ALLOWED TO DO, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD STILL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A QUASI JUDICIAL, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE STILL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL KIND OF PROTECTED IN THAT MANNER AS LONG AS WE'RE ONLY DOING LIAISON WORK. WHERE THAT DOES COME INTO PLAY IS IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SAID, WALKING QUORUM AND THEN ALSO WE CAN'T ACT AS ADVISORS OR INTERMEDIARIES OR ACTING LIKE WE CAN GIVE LEGAL ADVICE DURING THOSE THOSE PROCEEDINGS. YEAH. LIAISON ROLE IS BASICALLY JUST A CONDUIT FOR COMMUNICATION. AND I THINK ELIMINATING THAT, EVEN FOR THE BOA SETS A BAD PRECEDENT IN GENERAL. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. MY SENSE WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE LIAISON POSITION. SO WE'RE CONSISTENT. BUT I DO SHARE COUNCILOR OWENS CONCERNS ABOUT DO WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL LEGAL LOOK AT THAT. AND IS THERE INCREASED LEGAL LIABILITY FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MIGHT SERVE AS THE LIAISON? I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. WE MAY STILL DETERMINE THAT WE WANT TO PROCEED. AND, YOU KNOW, TO DECIDE ON THAT LIAISON TONIGHT, WE CAN ALWAYS, I'M ASSUMING, MAKE A CHANGE. IF WE DETERMINE THAT WE WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR BOA. SO I ACTUALLY COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WITH COUNCILOR VANESSA ON THIS. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF WE WERE TO APPOINT BOA AND YOU SAID GET WITH LEGAL, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT AS WELL FOR THAT PARTICULAR LIAISON, JUST TO GET THEM TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS IF THEY DECIDE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THEIR LANE. GOOD IDEA. LEGAL. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PROCEDURAL THING TO HAVE A LIAISON ON THE BOA. IS THERE A PRECEDENT THAT A CITY SHOULD NOT SHOULD, OR IS IT JUST WHATEVER THE CITY DECIDES BEST YOUR POLICY. HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THOSE LEGAL ASPECTS. IF Y'ALL WANTED TO MOVE IN, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LIAISONS TONIGHT, I THINK IT'S FINE TO IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND APPOINT THAT IN. IF BASED ON ANALYSIS OF Y'ALL CAN WEIGH ANY RISK. MY QUESTION MORE SPECIFICALLY IS IS IT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A LIAISON ON A BOA BOARD? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE STATE OF TEXAS? I, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNCOMMON. OKAY. SO SO IF IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME THAT CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS HAVE VETTED THAT LEGALLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND AS LONG AS THE LIAISON IS OPERATING WITHIN THE REALMS IN WHICH THEY WERE TRAINED AND TAUGHT THAT LEGALLY, IT'S DEFENSIBLE. YES. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK THAT HERE IS CONSENSUS TO GO FORWARD WITH, LIAISONS WITH AND ASK STAFF TO CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE WITH BURBANK. IS THAT ACCURATE? MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME WE ASK THE ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT STUFF, THEY SEND US A BILL FOR IT. AND I THINK MR. BENEFIELD, MR. BENFIELD'S POINT IS GOOD. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES ALREADY DOING THIS, AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO PAY MONEY TO FIND OUT THAT IT'S LEGAL TO DO IT. I THINK IT'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. YEAH. 
          COUNCILOR ALLEN, AND POINT TAKEN, SIR. ESPECIALLY WHEN BOTH OF US ARE LIKE, WATCH THOSE DOLLARS, RIGHT? NO, I WAS NOT THE LEGALITY OF IT. IT REALLY WAS JUST THE IMPLICATIONS. AND SO GOING BACK TO POTENTIALLY INTERNALLY, WE CAN LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS OF SOMEONE SERVING, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE RULES. I APPRECIATED WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA ABOUT MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE BFA. THERE WERE I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVE COME UP IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT, THAT WE'RE WEIGHING ON MY MIND AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. SO APPRECIATE IT. AND YES, I GUESS WE CAN LOOK INTERNALLY FIRST AND THEN IF THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN THEN AT THAT POINT CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCIL. SO FOR NOW, HOLD OFF UNTIL YOU GET FURTHER DIRECTION ON THAT QUESTION OKAY? CORRECT. YES. CHARLES, I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE. LET'S LET STAFF DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON IT. AND THEN I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR AMANDA BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY HER LAST NAME. I'M SORRY. CHAVARRIA. CHAVARRIA. CHAVARRIA. YES, I AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A WRITTEN POLICY ON WHAT THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OF THE LIAISON, NO MATTER WHICH BOARD THEY'RE ON. SO I THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK Y'ALL ARE READY TO GO. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? CHARLES? ABSOLUTELY. ISN'T THAT IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE? WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. RIGHT. SO WE KNOW HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BEHAVE AS LIAISONS. YES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'LL BE BEING UPDATED IN JANUARY PROBABLY OR NOT SOONER. SO OKAY. AND THEN ALSO PROCESS AROUND IF THERE ARE ISSUES, RIGHT, THAT THE 
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COMMITTEE OR COMMISSIONER BOARD CAN BRING TO COUNCIL. YES. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD CHAIR. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH EACH RESOLUTION IN THE ORDER THAT IT'S IN THE PACKET. SO WE ARE GOING TO START WITH RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2167 WHICH IS REGARDING LIAISON FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. AND THIS IS ONE THAT I HAVE HAD. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT, BUT I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE AMANDA CHAVARRIA TO THE AIRPORT LIAISON, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO EXPAND THAT IF I GET A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENEFIELD TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PLACE A SECOND FOR MYSELF, AS WELL AS A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO THANK YOU. OKAY. FULL DISCLOSURE, I THINK YOU BEING ON THE AIRPORT ADVISORY HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. I LOVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE APPLICATION, I DON'T THINK ASSIGNING AMANDA TO BE THE AIRPORT ADVISORY REMOVES YOU FROM THE PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. BY RESOLUTION, YOU'RE ALREADY DEEMED TO BE THE CONTACT PERSON, AND I WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOU BEING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT NEGOTIATES THE CONTRACT AND CONTINUES TO BE THE FRONT PERSON FOR THE 185 APPLICATION. SO I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT YOU HAVING ADDITIONAL HELP OVER AT THE AT THE AIRPORT, HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE AMANDA TO BE THE LIAISON FOR THE DAY TO DAY MEETINGS AND REPORTS BACK TO COUNCIL. AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, NOW THAT YOU'RE THE MAYOR, YOU HAVE A LOT OF I DON'T WANT TO SAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS BECAUSE THE AIRPORT'S OBVIOUSLY HUGELY IMPORTANT, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON THAT I THINK AMANDA COULD FILL IN VERY NICELY THERE FOR YOU. JUST SAYING THAT. I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT ANYBODY I THINK EVERYBODY WHO'S UP HERE, BUT I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE STUNTED IN THE WORK THAT I WAS ABLE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE FORMER MAYOR DID CONTINUE TO INTERACT WITH THE FAA AND BECAUSE OF THAT WAS SORT OF PAUSED SOME THINGS. BUT NOW I AM SCHEDULED TO GO TO WASHINGTON, DC IN DECEMBER, HAVE SOME OF THESE MEETINGS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE BEFORE. IN ALL MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AIRPORT, THEY WANT ME TO CONTINUE THAT WORK. I DO THINK THAT HAVING THE MAYOR BE IN THAT ROLE IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DAMAGE DONE TO THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO I THINK IT DOES TAKE MY TITLE TO HELP US SORT OF LOOSEN UP THOSE THINGS IF THEY'RE ABLE TO BE. AND SO FOR THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN IN THAT POSITION BUT OPEN TO OTHERS DISCUSSIONS ON THAT. COUNCIL. PRINCE. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THE TRANSITION TO YOU BEING LIAISON FOR ARB HAS NOT BEEN THAT LONG AGO. AND THE ARB, I THINK WAS PRETTY RELIEVED TO HAVE THAT TRANSITION. AND TO COUNCILOR BENFIELD'S POINTS ABOUT, THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE ALREADY ASKED YOU TO CARRY THE FLAG ON. 
          NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE TITLE OF MAYOR THAT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, PRETTIER TO THOSE OUTSIDE THE CITY, IF YOU WILL. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT TO ME TO ALSO HAVE YOU STAY ON AS LIAISON OF ARB FOR NOW, BECAUSE THE ARB IS GOING TO WANT TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AS WELL AS YOU WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ARB IS SUPPORTIVE OF EXACTLY HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. SO I THINK FROM AN EFFICIENCY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO JUST KEEP THE MAYOR IN PLACE. AND SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY PREFERENCE ON THE ON THE GOING FORWARD PATH FOR THE NEXT YEAR. IS THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? I CAN MAKE THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND I WILL I WILL PROPOSE A MOVE THAT THE MAYOR BE LIAISON, CONTINUE TO BE THE LIAISON FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. I SECOND THAT COUNCILOR PRINCESS MADE A MOTION TO NOMINATE THE MAYOR FOR TO REMAIN AS THE LIAISON FOR THE AIRPORT. AND COUNCILOR OWEN HAS SECONDED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? MAYOR? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I THINK. COUNCILOR SHOWER WOULD DO A FABULOUS JOB ON THE ARB. SHE'S EXTREMELY TALENTED AND WOULD BE A GREAT COMMUNICATOR, BUT KNOWING THE HISTORY, LIKE COUNCILOR PRINCE, I DO AGREE THAT RETAINING THAT RIGHT NOW AS WE GET MOVE FORWARD TO KILL THAT RELATIONSHIP FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY IS WHY I WENT THAT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. THE ONLY CLARIFYING, THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I'D ASK MAYOR IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CANNOT DO THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ON GOING TO DC AND DOING THESE NEGOTIATIONS THROUGH YOUR RESOLUTION? DO YOU FEEL LIKE 
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YOU HAVE TO BE THE LIAISON TO CONTINUE IN THAT FUNCTION? I DO, I THINK BEING ABLE TO GIVE SORT OF BEING ABLE TO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS AS THE LIAISON AND HAVE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION WITH THE CHAIR IS HELPING US. I MEAN, A LOT OF WHAT I WAS ASKED BY THE ARB WAS TO HAVE A VERY TIGHT, CONSOLIDATED LEADERSHIP CIRCLE THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD IN THE PAST, AND BY BRINGING NEW PEOPLE IN, IT SORT OF UNDOES WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. AND UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN PAUSED AND IT HASN'T BEEN VERY LONG THAT I WAS IN THAT POSITION. AND I THINK THAT KEEPS THINGS AS TIGHT AS WHAT I WAS ASKED TO DO FOR THE AIRPORT. THAT'S FAIR, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANSWERED. THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION. THEN I WILL OPEN IT TO A VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILOR PRINCE TO NOMINATE ME FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD, AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR OWEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE EYES HAVE IT. IT'S UNANIMOUS. 6 TO 1, 6 TO 1. SORRY. THAT WAS ME. OKAY. MY BAD. IT'S OKAY. 
          ROBIN, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT? YES, I GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2168. THIS ONE IS FOR THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. DO I HAVE A MOTION AND EVERYBODY SORRY. EVERYBODY HAS THE SHEET RIGHT. WE SAW PEOPLE'S PREFERENCES THAT WE HAD HERE. FOR BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO EXPLAIN THE SHEET YOU JUST REFERRED TO. YES. SORRY WE ASKED. WELL ROBIN ASKED. CITY MANAGER ASKED EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE WAS, AND THEY NUMBERED THE PREFERENCE FOR WHAT THEY WOULD BE LIAISON FOR. SO SHE CREATED A LITTLE SHEET HERE THAT SHOWED US WHAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER PUT AS THEIR NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE. AND THEN WE EVEN HAD SOME WHO HAD FOUR AND FIVE WITH THE COUNCIL LIKE ME, TO READ SOME OF THESE OR DO WE KNOW, JUST SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. YEAH. 
          SO, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MYSELF FORWARD AS THE LIAISON FOR THE B OF A IF THE OTHER COUNCILOR SEEMED THAT THAT I DO. SO THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, I'VE HAD A AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I'VE GOT A PASSION FOR MAKING SURE THAT IT STAYS ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILOR OWEN THAT SHE BE APPOINTED AS A LIAISON TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA SECONDED. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY. SEEING NO DISCUSSION ON THAT, THEN I WILL TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NO. THAT ONE IS UNANIMOUS. THAT WAS QUICKER. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2169. THIS ONE IS FOR COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. DO I HAVE A NOMINATION? LOOKING THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET HERE I. HAVE I WILL NOMINATE MYSELF FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN. IF SOMEONE ELSE FEELS PASSIONATE ABOUT IT IT WILL NOT HURT MY FEELINGS, BUT I WILL HAPPILY TAKE THAT ONE ON. JUST PROJECTING FORWARD ON WHO'S LOOKING FOR PLACES. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR VAN NESS FOR COUNCILOR PRINCE TO SERVE AS LIAISON TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? AND I DO NOT. THEN LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NONE. AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2170. THIS IS COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? THIS ONE IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO THE EDC. SO EDC WILL PROBABLY LIKELY ONLY EXIST FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO. JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, MAYOR, JUST JUST FOR THE OTHER COUNCILORS, IS THAT IN THE FORMATION OF THE EDC, WE HAD TO GO AHEAD AND NAME THE ORIGINAL BOARD FOR WHICH I'M ALREADY NAMED AND THAT THAT IS ALREADY PASSED. SO I WILL BE SEATED ON THAT PARTICULAR BOARD ALREADY WHEN IT TRANSITIONS. SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. OF COURSE, I HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THIS AND 
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FOLLOWING FOR EDC FOR A WHILE AND. THAT WAS A LOT OF HARD WORK AND A LOT OF HISTORY FOR WHICH I HAVE SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE IN, BUT I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL FEELS IS CORRECT. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MANUEL. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR OWEN TO SERVE AS LIAISON FOR EDC. TO HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR PRINCE. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST. SAY NAY. 
          UNANIMOUS, COUNCILOR OWEN. ELECTIONS TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2171. THIS IS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION NOMINATE COUNCILOR PRINCE FOR LIAISON FOR THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MOTION FROM COUNCILOR VAN NESS TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR PRINCE AS LIAISON FOR GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ACTUALLY HAVE. SO DO HAVE A COMMENT. AND COUNCILOR DEFENSE JUST YOU KNOW, MOMENTS AGO, SHE ASKED IF I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH HER MAKING THAT MOTION, BUT I SIGNED UP FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION IN THE INTERIM, WHICH I HAD NOT PLANNED TO. AND SO I WILL ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION. AND WHAT IS IT? ALTERNATE MOTION. SUBSTITUTE, SUBSTITUTE MOTION. THANK YOU FOR JESS HALL AS THE LIAISON TO THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'M SORRY I JUMPED THE GUN. OKAY, I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR JESS HALL TO SERVE AS LIAISON FOR THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I'D BE HAPPY TO SERVE IN THAT POSITION, AND WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILOR HALL IS LIAISON FOR THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. NOW WE ARE MOVING TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2172. 
          COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. DO I HAVE A NOMINATION? I DO NOT SEE THIS AS A PREFERENCE FOR ANYONE ON COUNCIL. AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MYSELF FOR THAT ROLE. 
          I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA TO NOMINATE YOURSELF TO SERVE AS LIAISON FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, TO ADD A SECOND, SECOND, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR OWEN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT NOMINATION? AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAD IN THE PAST YEAR I'VE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF BOARDS, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, AND HAD RECENTLY TOLD THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR WHEN SHE ASKED ME THAT I WAS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SIGN UP FOR IT AGAIN THIS TIME. 
          THAT'S A GREAT BOARD. THEY RUN REALLY WELL. I THINK IT'S, IN MY ESTIMATION, THE BEST OPERATING BOARD OR COMMITTEE IN IN THE CITY. I THINK YOU'LL ENJOY WORKING WITH THEM. SO THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LAGO VISTA WOMEN'S CLUB, WHICH I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF. SO I BELIEVE WE CAN I CAN HELP THEM IF THEY NEED THAT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUS. 
          COUNSELOR CHAVARRIA IS THE LIAISON FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 25, DASH 2173. THIS IS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT KAREN BE APPOINTED AS THE LIAISON TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. OKAY. COUNCILOR PRINCE HAS MADE A MOTION TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR VANESS TO SERVE AS THE LIAISON TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? THERE BEING NONE. LET'S GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. IT'S UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR VAN NESS IS THE PARKS AND REC LIAISON. THANK YOU. 
          RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2174. THIS IS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING 
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COMMISSION. DO I HAVE A NOMINATION? COUNCILOR? PRINCE MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD BE APPOINTED AS LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION I SECOND THAT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILOR PRINCE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR BENEFIELD TO SERVE AS LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR HALL. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE NOMINATION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. THE NAME IS THE NAYS. AND WHAT WAS THE I? UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR BENEFIELD IS THE LIAISON TO. RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2175. THIS IS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CARRY ON. THE TRADITION OF THE MAYOR STAYING INVOLVED WITH US, BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT TO OTHERS TO MAKE A NOMINATION. I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPOINT MAYOR SALM TO THAT. AND I THINK HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY OF PULLING IN THE YAK. BETTER THAN I'VE SEEN. SO EASY MOTION FOR ME. I'LL MAKE A SECOND FOR THAT AS WELL. I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THE TURNOUT FROM THE STUDENT COUNCIL, AND THE YOUTH COMMISSION WAS VERY PLEASING TO SEE. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE, THE NOMINEE, MAYOR SAM, FOR THE LIAISON TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT NOMINATION? SEEING NONE, I WILL GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. I POINT TO. YEAH. AND? DID I MISS ANY I THINK. NOPE. THAT'S ALL OF THEM. THAT'S ALL I KNOW. IT DOESN'T NEED AN APPOINTMENT. WE HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD SORT OF THESE UNOFFICIAL LIAISON POSITIONS. IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME? I HAVE SEVERAL THAT I WANT TO BRING UP. THERE ARE TWO EXISTING SUBCOMMITTEES OF COUNCIL THAT I'M AWARE OF THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, IRRIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE. AS IT TURNS OUT, BOTH OF THOSE COMMITTEES, ALL MEMBERS ARE STILL ON COUNCIL. 
          AND SO PRESUMABLY, AND IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA TO CHANGE IT. SO I DON'T THINK WE COULD ANYWAY. BUT PRESUMABLY WE'LL JUST CARRY FORWARD WITH THOSE. I ALSO WANT TO CALL OUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH YOU AND I, MR. SAM, HAVE BEEN CO LIAISING FOR. THEY'RE MEETING TWICE A MONTH AND THAT'S A BIT OF A BURDEN FOR ME TO DO ALL OF THE MEETINGS. AND SO I WOULD BE OPEN IF YOU INTEND TO, TO NOT CONTINUE IN THAT ROLE SHARING WITH ME, I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SHARES THE MEETING LOAD OF LIAISON FOR CRC WITH ME. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY ON THE AGENDA HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT OR WE NEED TO. CHRISTINA, WE DID NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO I WOULD DEFER TO NEXT MEETING. OKAY, LISA, I WILL SAY I CONFIRM. YES. I DON'T INTEND TO CONTINUE ON THE CRC, SO I WILL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. IF ONE OF YOU ALL WANT TO CONSIDER BEING THE SECOND LIAISON. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN BACK TO THE UNOFFICIAL ONES. YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY I'VE DONE SORT OF LIKE A GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND A WATER RELATED ONE. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE DON'T TAKE APPOINTMENTS TO DO THESE. WE'VE ALWAYS JUST HAD GENERAL CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL WHO WANTED TO DO THOSE. AND JUST WHEN THAT KIND OF COMES UP TO GIVE THOSE UPDATES, YOU GIVE UPDATES ON THOSE RELEVANT TOPICS. AND SO I WOULD BE GLAD TO STILL CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THOSE, YOU KNOW, UNOFFICIAL LIAISON POSITIONS. 
          AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY'RE ON, OR IF YOU HAVE IDEAS ON A NEW ONE, YOU CAN BRING THAT UP. OR IF YOU WANT TO THROW IT OUT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD LATER ON FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO THINK OF THAT DIDN'T COME UP TONIGHT. WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON THERE TOO. OKAY. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD, THANK YOU, MAYOR, JUST FOR EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE SUBCOMMITTEES, LIKE BE BUILT. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BUILDING ADVOCACY. WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW, MR. DURBIN? IT WAS THE SAME THING. WE JUST REMOVED ADVOCACY. 
          OKAY. YEAH. SO I WAS ON THAT. I PROBABLY NEED TO APPOINT ANOTHER. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF THOSE IF THOSE WERE PUT ONTO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN JUST HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THOSE. CHARLES ROBBINS, GO AHEAD. MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. COUNCILOR ALAN. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE MADE SOME STRIDES AS IT WENT TO THE LDP AND THE LBUSD. AND I REALLY FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON THE TO DO THAT FOR US TO DISCUSS. 
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THEY REALLY APPRECIATED THE LIAISON CONNECTION AND TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WE HAVE A RATHER BROAD LANGUAGE UMBRELLA SO WE CAN DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS INTERACTIONS, CALEB AND ISD AND OTHERS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY, MAY THINK OF. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ORDINANCES TO MAKE THOSE. WE JUST IT'S SORT OF AN INFORMAL ASSIGNMENT THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO APPOINT COMMITTEES AS THEY SEE FIT. CORRECT I UNDERSTAND YES. YEAH. SO CRC WILL HAVE A RESOLUTION, BUT THE OTHERS DO NOT NEED IT. YES. AND I WOULD IN THAT LIST. I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE TRY TO GET A RELATIONSHIP BUILT WITH THE CHAMBER. AND I'LL ADD ONE TO THE CHAMBER. SOMEBODY. YEAH. AND THEN MAYOR AND I THINK KEEPING A LIAISON WITH THE LAGO VISTA PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD BE A WISE MOVE. SO I WOULD INCLUDE THAT YOU HAVE THEM. OKAY. GOOD, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THEN I WILL MOVE ON. WE'VE. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE THAT I HAVE IS CITIZEN ON. ARE ON WATER. OH OKAY. WELL THEN I WILL GO TO THAT ONE. 
          WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA ITEM. ARE THEY ON AGAIN. THAT WAS THE FOUR. OKAY I WILL READ IN NINE 
          [IX.4. Consideration and Possible action to award ABIP, PC as the City of Lago Vista's independent auditor from RFQ 25-08, and authorize the City Manager to negotiate the agreement.]
FOUR AS WE HAVE THOSE FOLKS ON HERE. SO FOR CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AWARD ABIP PC AS THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, INDEPENDENT AUDITOR FROM RFQ 20 5-08 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT, AND I WILL TURN IT TO CHARLES FOR THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY, MAYOR COUNCIL, EVERY FEW YEARS, IT'S RECOMMENDED THROUGH GFOA PRACTICES THAT YOU SELECT A NEW AUDITING FIRM OR A NEW AUDITOR. IF YOUR FIRM IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, YOUR CURRENT FIRM IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE SEPARATE AUDITOR DO YOUR BOOK. OUR CURRENT FIRM HAS SOME OTHER MEMBERS AND STUFF, BUT IT WAS WE PUT IT OUT THERE. THEY DID APPLY. WE HAD A LOT OF HOW MANY TOTAL AREA SIX. WE HAD SIX. IT WAS A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE AND A LITTLE PROCRASTINATION ON OUR PART ON PUTTING IT OFF, BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT WE DID SELECT ABIP AS THE DEAL AS WE FELT THEY WOULD BE THE MOST QUALIFIED TO DO THAT. THEY ALSO, I BELIEVE, DO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BOOKS, AND WE WERE WE WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS THEY HAVE. SO THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS GOING WITH A, A, B IP AND THEY DID SCORE THE HIGHEST ON OUR SCORE SHEETS AND STUFF. CHARLES. ERIC, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT JEREMY BARBATO, THE CPA, JANET PITTMAN ARE ONLINE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE ME. I WILL HOLD THAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF DATE AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ANY TECHNICAL CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES AFTER WHAT HE JUST SAID? IF THERE ARE NOT, THEN I WILL OPEN IT TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND I HAVE A ROBERT OWEN. OH SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU WEREN'T ON THAT ONE. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE AUDITOR? I BEG THERE BEING NONE, THEN I AM OPEN TO A MOTION. I SEE PEOPLE READING. YEAH. MAYOR ON AGENDA ITEM 9.4 I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY STAFF WITH ABIP. AND THAT IS IN RFQ 2508. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR VANESS. SO NOW I WILL OPEN IT TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. COUNCIL BENNEFIELD. THANK YOU. MAYOR. UNDER FINANCIAL IMPACT IT SAYS NOT AVAILABLE YET WILL BE KNOWN ONCE CONTRACT IS RECEIVED IT. I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZING THE NEGOTIATION, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE'RE WRITING A BLANK CHECK. CAN CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS, MR. WEST? UNDER THE AUDITORS, YOU CANNOT. THIS IS CONSIDERED A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE CANNOT TAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CHARGE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING IT. WE ARE GOING TO OFFER THE BEST QUALIFIED OF THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT IS BUDGETED IN THAT LINE ITEM. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THEIR PROPOSAL, WHEN IT IS ALL COME OUT, WILL BE BELOW WHAT OUR BUDGETED LINE ITEM IS. ARE YOU ABLE TO? LET'S JUST SAY YOU DO 
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YOUR BEST NEGOTIATION AND THE PRICE SEEMS UNREASONABLE OR SEEMS HIGH? ARE WE LOCKED INTO ACCEPTING THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE? NO, WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN. IF IF WE GET THE CONTRACT IN THERE AND WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE TO SELECT THEM. 
          I'D BE I'D JUST PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA AS WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          PERFECT. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD. GO TO THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE LINE OKAY. AND REMEMBER, WE DO HAVE THEM ON THE LINE. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. AGAIN I DON'T BELIEVE PRICE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. COUNCILOR MR. WEST, IF YOU CAN JUST REMIND US THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO SPEND WITHOUT COMING BEFORE COUNCIL. IF THERE QUOTE COMES IN ABOVE THAT AMOUNT, WOULD YOU BE BRINGING THAT BACK INTO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? YES. IF IT GOES, IF IT GOES ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE, HAVE ACTUALLY BUDGETED FOR THAT ITEM, I WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL. WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU BUDGETED. BUT THERE'S ALSO WHAT YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO TO DO WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL. RIGHT. SO IF IT'S ABOVE THAT AMOUNT PRESUMABLY TO MR. BENEFITS POINT, IT'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR US TO SEE THE NUMBER. YES. AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR OWENS. YES. AND GOING ON THIS IN TERMS OF QUALIFICATION, I DID REACH OUT TO JASON STONER OF LAGO VISTA ISD BECAUSE ABIP DOES DO THEIR AUDITS AS WELL. I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO READ VERY QUICKLY WHAT HE STATED, JUST TO, IN TERMS OF THEIR QUALIFICATIONS. ABIP HAS DONE OUR AFR FOR FOUR YEARS NOW AND I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE VERY THOROUGH. IN THEIR REVIEW, MICHAEL DEL TORO AND JANET PITTMAN LEAD THE GROUP AND DO A GREAT JOB. WE'VE HAD ANOTHER GROUP PERFORM OUR AUDIT PRIOR TO ABIP, AND I PREFER WORKING WITH ABIP. THEY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTS. HOWEVER, WHEN COMPLETE, THE AUDIT IS THOROUGH, ACCURATE AND IT ILLUSTRATES A TRUE ACCOUNT OF OUR FISCAL DATA. OVERALL, I'VE BEEN PLEASED. THEY ARE NEVER FUN, BUT THEY ARE FRIENDLY, PROFESSIONAL AND DO A GREAT JOB. AND SO I BRING THAT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION. ONE IN TERMS OF THEIR QUALIFICATION. AND BUT FROM A FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY ARE ALSO PINCHING PENNIES AS THEY'VE BEEN AT A DEFICIT THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND SO I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY QUICK TO MOVE IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY WERE NOT GETTING THE VALUE. COUNCIL SALARY. MY ONLY QUESTION WAS IS I'M SINCE I'M NEW TO THIS, CHARLES, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCLOSE THE AMOUNT THAT YOU DID YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR OUTLINE AT ALL? NO. MONEY IS NOT ABLE TO BE DISCUSSED. THANK YOU. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM BEFORE I GO TO A VOTE HEARING? NONE, I WILL. TAKE A VOTE ON. COUNCILOR PRINCE HAD MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THIS CONTRACT FOR RFQ 25 EIGHT. THIS WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILOR VAN NESS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. SEEING NONE, THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION IS APPROVED. AND NOW I WILL GO ON 
          [IX.5. Consideration and Possible action to adopt Resolution No. 25-2178, amending Article 1.1800 of the Code of Ordinances to include new Section 1.1804 - Former City Officials and Employees, establishing a one-year "cooling-off" period before former Councilmembers may be appointed to serve in any unpaid capacity on a City Board, Commission, or Committee.]
TO ITEM NINE FIVE, AS I HAVE A CITIZEN SIGNED UP FOR THAT. FIVE IS CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-21. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK. WELL, I GUESS THEY SIGNED OFF THERE. I WAS GOING TO JUST TELL THEM, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAYBE THAT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2178. 
          AMENDING ARTICLE 1.1800 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO INCLUDE NEW SECTION 1.180 FOR FORMER CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES, ESTABLISHING A ONE YEAR COOLING OFF PERIOD BEFORE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE APPOINTED TO SERVE IN ANY UNPAID CAPACITY ON A CITY BOARD, COMMISSION OR ANY. I DO NOT HAVE A STAFF REPORT, BUT I HAVE A COUNCIL COUNSELOR PUTS US FORWARD. COUNSELOR BENNEFIELD DO YOU HAVE A REPORT YOU WANT TO GIVE BEFORE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW REMARKS ON THEIR SLIGHTLY LENGTHY. I HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THEM DOWN, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL HUMOR ME FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE THOROUGH. AND I'M ONLY BEING THOROUGH BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS, I HAD SEVERAL PHONE CALLS, AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE, I GUESS, AS CLEAR AS I CAN BE. SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHY I PUT THIS FORWARD. ALSO, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT. IT'S NOT LIKE I GOT ON COUNCIL WITH AN IDEA THAT A RESOLUTION WOULD BE PASSED, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A COOLING OFF PERIOD, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT. BUT THIS, THIS CONCEPT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO ME LAST YEAR, THIS EXACT SAME TIME FRAME WHEN ME 
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AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME WERE DISCUSSING APPOINTMENTS AND LIAISON POSITIONS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD SEEN OTHER PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTING TO SERVE ON VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WHICH I AM PREPARED TO SHARE LATER, THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT WHEN YOU'RE OFF COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD JUST BE GONE. AND THAT WAS A CONCEPT I NEVER REALLY HAD THOUGHT ABOUT. IT WAS A CONCEPT I NEVER REALLY HEARD. 
          AND SO I REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR OF CEDAR PARK, JIM, AND I SAID, HEY, WHAT IS IT COMMON FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE ON A COMMISSION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THEIR APPOINTMENT? AND HE'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, NO, THAT NEVER HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE HE SAID, THERE WAS ONE EXAMPLE WHERE SOMEBODY SERVED FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ON COUNCIL, AND THEN THEY CAME BACK 15 YEARS LATER. WE'VE HAD THOSE EXAMPLES, BUT NO. SO I STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH. 
          SO ANYWAY, A COOLING OFF PERIOD IS NOT A BRAND NEW CONCEPT THAT WAS INVENTED THIS WEEK AND PRACTICED BOTH IN LAGO VISTA AND IN NEARBY CITIES. THE IDEA THAT FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY ROTATE INTO A QUASI JUDICIAL OR ADVISORY BODY HAS ALREADY HAD PRECEDENT. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE LATER. WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES IS SIMPLY RECOGNIZE THAT AND PUT A CLEAR, CONSISTENT POLICY AROUND IT. ARTICLE 1.1800 OF LAGO VISTA CODE OF ORDINANCES OUTLINES THE CITY'S ETHICS POLICY AND SERVES AS A GUIDING FRAMEWORK FOR THE CONDUCT OF ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS IN OUR CHARTER. SECTION 3.10. IT PROHIBITS FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ACCEPTING PAID EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY FOR ONE YEAR AFTER LEAVING OFFICE. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION REGARDING UNPAID APPOINTMENTS. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDMENT SIMPLY FILLS IN THE GAP BY ADDING SECTION 1.1804 TITLED FORMER CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES, ESTABLISHING A ONE YEAR COOLING OFF PERIOD BEFORE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE APPOINTED TO SERVE IN ANY UNPAID CAPACITY. SOME OF YOU AND I HEARD IT TODAY BY A MEMBER ON COUNCIL WILL THINK THAT THIS IS A TARGETED ATTACK. 
          IT IS NOT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO SIMPLY REINFORCE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN AN INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIALITY OF CITY GOVERNMENT BY ENSURING A REASONABLE SEPARATION BETWEEN ELECTED SERVICE AND SUBSEQUENT ADVISORY OF OF QUASI JUDICIAL ROLES, THE CITY REDUCES BOTH ACTUAL AND PERCEIVED CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. THIS PROPOSAL MIRRORS THE ONE YEAR RESTRICTION ALREADY CONTAINED IN THE CHARTER FOR COMPENSATED POSITIONS ALIGNED ALL POST SERVICE LIMITATIONS UNDER A CONSISTENT ETHICAL STANDARD. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE NUMBER OF EMAILS AND OTHER CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAVE BEEN SENT TO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE FLUME AND MANAGEMENT, AND OTHER THINGS THAT IT IS DESIGNED TO BE IMPARTIAL. I EXPECT TODAY TO HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. 
          INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS VERY VALUABLE ON CITY COUNCIL, BUT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS A LIABILITY ON QUASI JUDICIAL ROLES. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS EVALUATE EACH CASE SOLELY BASED ON THE EVIDENCE IN THE PACKETS, MEANING A MEMBER OF THE PNC CANNOT GO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER. THEY CANNOT GO MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS. THEY HAVE TO SOLELY DETERMINE, BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE PACKET. THEY CONSIDER ONLY WHAT IS PRESENTED DURING THE MEETING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND AVOID RELAYING ANY OUTSIDE INFORMATION, HISTORY, OR PRIOR NEGOTIATIONS. NOW, IN CONTRAST, CITY COUNCIL HAS PARTICIPATED FOR YEARS IN NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS WITH DEVELOPERS. THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CREATION OF THE PDS AND THE ZONING, OVERLAYS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. THEY HAVE RECEIVED CLOSED DOOR LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE ATTORNEYS. THEY HAVE DISCUSSED LEGAL DISPUTES, VARIANCES, SETTLEMENT STRATEGIES AND OFTEN KNOWS THE DEVELOPERS INTENTS, LEGAL THREATS, AND HISTORICAL CONFLICTS, NONE OF WHICH ARE PUBLIC RECORD. THESE ARE THINGS 
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THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND OTHER BOARDS WOULD NEVER HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT. SO WHEN A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER MOVES TO PNC OR THE BOA, THEY BRING DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF THE WHY BEHIND THE ZONING DEALS. THEY HAVE MEMORIES OF PAST CONFLICTS WITH SPECIFIC APPLICANTS. THEY HAVE AWARENESS OF STAFF'S PRIVATE CONCERNS AND LEGAL VULNERABILITIES AND OPINIONS ROOTED IN OLD DISPUTES OR NEGOTIATIONS THAT THE PUBLIC OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD NEVER SEE. THIS CREATES LEGAL, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, ETHICAL RISKS. IT UNDERMINES OUR DUE PROCESS, THE APPEARANCE OF IMPARTIALITY, FAIR HEARING STANDARDS, EQUAL PROTECTION FOR THE APPLICANTS AND THE INSULATION OF THESE BODIES FROM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, POLITICAL PRESSURE. THIS IS WHY MANY CITIES ADOPT A COOLING OFF PERIOD BEFORE FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN SERVE ON THESE ROLES. MOST PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE SUGGESTS NOT ONE YEAR, BUT THEY SUGGEST TWO YEARS AS BEST PRACTICE TO ALLOW FOR PRIOR NEGOTIATIONS, LEGAL DISPUTES AND DEAL MAKING TO AGE OUT AND REDUCE THE CHANCE THAT FORMER OFFICIALS RELY ON INSIDER KNOWLEDGE WHEN JUDGING NEW CASES. SPECIFICALLY, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, TML, AND THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION SPECIFICALLY CAUTIONED THAT COMMISSIONERS SHOULD SHOULD DECIDE CASES BASED ON RECORD BEFORE THEM AND AVOID HAVING ANYBODY WITH EXTRA RECORD INSIDER INFORMATION TO BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A DECISION. MY PROPOSAL IS EXACTLY THAT, BUT MORE MODEST ONLY APPLYING ONE YEAR, NOT TWO. IN SHORT, IF A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER JOINS PNC IMMEDIATELY, THEY SIMPLY HAVE TOO MUCH KNOWLEDGE. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE ARE LOSING KNOWLEDGE, YES, THAT IS THE EXACT PROBLEM. THEY HAVE TOO MUCH KNOWLEDGE AND THAT STUFF IS IN THEIR HEAD. FROM YEARS OF NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, YOU CANNOT ASK SOMEBODY TO SIMPLY UNKNOW SOMETHING WHAT THEY ALREADY KNOW. I HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE HERE TONIGHT. I'M SIMPLY BRINGING FORTH A RESOLUTION THAT I BELIEVE REPRESENTS THE MOST SOUND MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE AND WIDELY ACCEPTED BEST PRACTICE. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. THIS IS ABOUT PROCESS. IT'S ABOUT ETHICS, AND IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. AND MY LAST POINT, SOME WILL SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS. THIS WILL HURT OUR COMMITTEES. TO THAT I SAY, I DISAGREE. I WENT AND PULLED UP ALL THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE LAST FIVE OR SO YEARS AND LOOKED AT THE VOLUNTEERS WHO CONSISTENTLY PUT THEIR NAME ON THE RECORD, AND YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, THEIR NAMES ARE NEVER SELECTED. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, AFTER BEING ON THE APPLICATION FOR 2 TO 3 YEARS, THEY SIMPLY STOP APPLYING. WE HAVE CREATED A SYSTEM IN WHICH VERY FEW PEOPLE GET SELECTED TO OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. IN MY OPINION, A COOLING OFF PERIOD ACTUALLY EXPANDS PARTICIPATION. IT ENCOURAGES FRESH VOICES, GIVES OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE NEVER SERVED BEFORE, AND IT DIVERSIFIES OUR PERSPECTIVES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY TECHNICAL OR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED? BECAUSE WE WILL DISCUSS AND DEBATE THIS AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS. SEEING NONE, THEN I WILL MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND NOW I HAVE ROBERT ALLEN. ROBERT I'M SORRY. IS THERE A TIMER? OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I'LL JUST START WITH WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE HERE. LAST WEEK WE CELEBRATED ACCOLADES. WE SHOWERED ACCOLADES ON MAYOR SULLIVAN, COUNCILOR DURBAN COUNCILOR ROBERTS AT LENGTH, IN FACT, I PULLED A RECORDING, BUT 
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I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY IT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. THIS WEEK, WE'RE BANNING THEM FROM SERVING FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR CONTEMPLATING BANNING HIM FROM SERVING FOR ANOTHER YEAR. WHAT CHANGED? OH WAIT, NOTHING CHANGED. FOR THIS TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IT HAD TO BE DRAFTED AND SUBMITTED AND PLANNED AND PUT IN THE PACKET A WEEK AGO. SO WHILE WE WERE SINGING THE ACCOLADES AND OFFERING THE VIRTUAL STATEMENTS IN THE BACKGROUND, WE WERE UNDERMINING, THIS IS NOT TARGETED. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THREE PEOPLE. MAYOR SULLIVAN, COUNCILOR, DURBAN COUNCILOR ROBERT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY IT'S NOT TARGETED. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS. NOW LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF AND THE JUSTIFICATION AS PRESENTED. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION EXPOUNDED UPON HERE. ONE, YOU HAVE A GAP IN THE CHARTER. TWO, YOU HAVE PERCEIVED ACTUAL AND PERCEIVED INFLUENCES. CONTINUING AUTHORITIES AND AND SO FORTH. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER GAP. THE CHARTER IS NOT A GAP. THE CHARTER IS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED NARROWLY TO BAN PAID POSITIONS FOR A COUNCILOR TO MOVE INTO AFTER SERVING ON COUNCIL. WHY? BECAUSE THAT COUNCILOR WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE FUNDING OF THAT POSITION, OR WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE FUNDING OF THAT PROJECT OR THAT INCOME STREAM. AND SO THE ONE YEAR COOLING OFF FOR A PAID POSITION MAKES ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A COUNCILOR MOVING INTO A FUNDED POSITION THAT HE OR SHE VOTED FOR. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CHARTER. IT'S NOT A GAP. IT'S AN INTENTIONALLY NARROW PROHIBITION. SCRATCH THAT OFF THE LIST. LET'S TALK ABOUT A PERCEIVED AND ACTUAL CONFLICTS. WELL, UNTIL JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE HAD NO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OFFERED. AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT FORTH SOMETHING TO A CHANGE, ASK THE PLAINTIFF OR THE PROSECUTOR. YOU KNOW, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. ALL I SAW IN THE PACKET WAS VAGUE NOTIONS, BUZZWORDS, AND NO SPECIFIC PROBLEM TO BE ADDRESSED. NO SPECIFIC ETHICAL CONCERN THAT'S NOT ALREADY COVERED BY OUR ETHICS POLICY OR THAT'S NOT ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW. THIS IS A RESOLUTION IN CHASE OF A PROBLEM THAT FRANKLY, DOESN'T EXIST. AND YES, WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY. WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED VOLUNTEERS. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE POOL SPECIFICALLY TARGETING THE MAYOR SULLIVAN, WHO MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE. I SAW HE WAS ON THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY ELIMINATING DURBIN AND ROBERTS FROM CONTINUING. SO LET'S WEIGH THIS OUT. ON THE ONE HAND, AM I OUT OF TIME? ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY, I HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY. AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO QUESTION THAT, I'M AVAILABLE. THANK YOU, MR. ALLEN. I NOW HAVE A MR. ROB DURBIN. I'M SORRY. MR. MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID BY ROB OWEN. SECOND OF ALL, AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, BECAUSE I WAS AT ONE POINT IN YOUR POSITION, BUT THIS COUNCIL IN PARTICULAR HAS A GRAND TOTAL OF NINE YEARS EXPERIENCE FOR SEVEN OF YOU, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ADAM, YOU WERE SAYING THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS GREAT FOR CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL NEEDS ITS ADVISORY BOARDS. IT NEEDS TO GET ADVICE FROM FROM THESE THESE ADVISORY BOARDS AND THE ADVISORY BOARDS NEED AS MUCH HELP AS THEY CAN GET SO THAT THE LIAISON DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN ALL THE TIME SO THAT THE MEETINGS DON'T GO ON FOREVER, BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A MOTION, BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO STOP A DIALOG THAT'S GOING ON BACK AND FORTH FOREVER. BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. I MEAN, AND I'VE SERVED ON HALF OF THESE COMMITTEES, AND I WAS LIAISON FOR PROBABLY HALF OF THE COMMITTEES, AND I WAS SUBSTITUTE LIAISON ON NIGHTS WHEN PEOPLE COULDN'T SHOW UP. I THINK FOR ALL OF THEM, I DON'T THINK I MISSED ONE, WHICH WAS INTENTIONAL. I WANTED TO SEE HOW THEY ALL RAN, WHAT THEY ALL DID. BUT I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT 
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THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED AND HAVE SERVED WITH DISTINCTION AND HAVE SERVED WITH. WITH THERE AND WORKED HARD FOR THE CITY, CAN BE ALLOWED TO SERVE. THE CITY RUNS ON VOLUNTEERS A LOT. I KNOW, MR. WEST, I YOU DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE STAFF, BUT THE VOLUNTEERS ARE IMPORTANT. 
          AND I THINK FIRST OF ALL, AS A AS A COUNCIL WITH THIS LITTLE EXPERIENCES YOU'VE BEEN AFFORDED, YOU WOULD TAKE ALL THE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE YOU CAN GET FROM FROM ANYBODY THAT'S SERVED BEFORE AND SEEN THESE PROBLEMS BEFORE AND THESE PEOPLE THAT CAN EXPLAIN THESE PROBLEMS TO THE COMMITTEES THEY SERVE ON. BUT THEY ALSO NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERSTAND. THEY UNDERSTAND THE ROLES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'VE BEEN ON MOST MOST OF YOU WHO ARE ON COMMITTEES BEFORE YOU RAN. AND I, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU THAT YOU, YOU GUYS ACCEPT ALL OF THE ADVICE THAT THESE COMMITTEES ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU AND ANYBODY THAT'S WILLING TO SERVE ON THEM THAT HASN'T DONE IT HASN'T BEEN A NE'ER DO WELL TO TO GET TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION. SO EVERY COMMITTEE WE HAVE, WHICH I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BUT THANK YOU. I NOW HAVE A DARCY. I'M SORRY. I'VE NEVER KNOWN HOW TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME. 
          DUBOW DARCY DEVEAUX. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I DIDN'T TURN IN ANY TIME. GOOD MORNING OR GOOD MORNING. AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DARCY DEVEAUX. I'M A CITIZEN OF LAGO VISTA. I HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. OKAY, SO FRANK ROBBINS IS ON A COMMITTEE. HE'S BEEN ON A COMMITTEE FOR YEARS. HE WAS ON COUNCIL. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS LEAVE FROM HERE AND GO ON TO SERVE ON A BOARD. NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF HAVE EVER HAPPENED TO CAUSE AN ETHICS VIOLATION TO HAPPEN. AND I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL, IF WE HAVE ELECTED YOU AND WE CAN'T HAVE YOU GO BACK INTO CITIZEN VOLUNTEERING, WHY ARE WE ELECTING YOU? YOU'RE YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE OF US. AND IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE FROM HERE AND GO A LITTLE BACKWARD AND GO BACK INTO THE VOLUNTEERS AND BEING ON THE COMMITTEES, SO BE IT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT GOES BACK YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. LIKE I'VE ONLY BEEN WATCHING THIS SINCE 2018, BUT IT'S LIKE SOME OF YOU ARE REALLY NEW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO HALF OF THE STUFF THAT'S GONE ON IN THIS TOWN. AND FOR ME, I THINK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP VOLUNTEERING FOR THE CITY AND YOU WANT TO GO BACK ONTO A COMMITTEE, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING. YOU'RE SWEARING AN OATH WHEN YOU GO ON TO THOSE COMMITTEES, JUST LIKE YOU DO WHEN YOU COME ONTO THIS COMMITTEE. AND SO I THINK ANYBODY THAT GOES BACK INTO A COMMITTEE IS NOT GOING TO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? ARE THEY GOING TO INFLUENCE SOMETHING? ARE THEY GOING TO GET SOMEONE IN THE BACK ROOM AND SAY, OH, WELL, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THAT'S AN ETHICS VIOLATION? OKAY. AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS, SHOW ME THE PROOF OF THAT EVER HAPPENING ON ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WENT BACK INTO SERVE ON A BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM HERE? I HAVE A CARD. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. JEAN, YOU'RE ON HERE FOR TWO, SO I CALL JEAN HARRIS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL STAFF AND RESIDENTS. MY NAME IS JEAN HARRIS. BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO RESTRICT FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM SERVING ON CITY COMMISSIONS FOR A YEAR AFTER VACATING THEIR ELECTED OFFICE. NOT THAT LONG AGO, THERE WAS MUCH ANGST ABOUT FREE SPEECH BEING DENIED AND THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO REAFFIRM THE CONSTITUTION TO REMEDY THOSE ACTIONS. NOW THE OPPOSITE IS HAPPENING. I DID NOT FIND A BUNCH OF TEXAS CITIES THAT MANDATE A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD BEFORE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN SERVE AS VOLUNTEERS ON CITY COMMISSIONS. TEXAS STATE LAW, INCLUDING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND ETHICS RULES OVERSEEN BY THE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION, 
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IMPOSES NO SUCH COOLING OFF PERIOD FOR FORMER LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS SERVING IN UNPAID VOLUNTEER ROLES ON MUNICIPAL BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS. KEY WORD UNPAID. I DID FIND THAT THIS ACTION WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY BE FOUND TO BE AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL INFRINGEMENT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF FREE SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION. IF THE RESTRICTION WERE CHALLENGED IN COURT, COURTS HAVE ALREADY STRUCK DOWN SIMILAR REVOLVING DOOR OR COOLING OFF PERIODS WHEN APPLIED TO UNPAID VOLUNTEER POSITIONS. CLYBURN V NEWS WORLD COMMUNICATIONS A ONE YEAR BAN ON FORMER CONGRESSIONAL STAFF SERVING AS UNPAID VOLUNTEERS. 
          CITIZENS UNITED V THE FEC VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY RECEIVES THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION WHEN NO MONEY CHANGES HANDS. CRUZ VERSUS ARIZONA REINFORCED RESTRICTIONS ON UNPAID POLITICAL PARTICIPATION. PARTICIPATION ARE VIEWED WITH EXTREME SKEPTICISM. FURTHER, IN LOOKING AT THIS, I FOUND THAT FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN SERVE ON VOLUNTEER BOARDS. AFTER LEAVING ELECTED OFFICE IN COMMITTEE IN MANY TEXAS CITIES, AS LONG AS THERE IS NO DIRECT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, VIOLATING JUDICIAL ETHICS RULES. AS PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN. THIS RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS A SOLUTION. 
          SEARCHING FOR A NON-EXISTENT PROBLEM, AND INDEED COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL OR NEEDED. IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT A RESIDENT, ANY RESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF THEIR BACKGROUND ON A COMMISSION, DON'T APPOINT THEM. SIMPLE RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS NOT NEEDED. AS THE CITY ATTORNEY WEIGHED IN WITH THE LEGAL OPINION ON THIS MATTER, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT IF ONE HAS BEEN GIVEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO THIS AND COMMENTS AND I AM OPEN TO A MOTION. I HAVEN'T PASSED YET. 
          MY. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I MOVE THE I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE AS WRITTEN. I HAVE A SECOND, I SECOND. SECONDS A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-2178. AND NOW WE WILL GO INTO DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. WELL, ACTUALLY, THE WAY I SAID I WOULD DO IT IS THAT THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL, YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING TO YOU. COUNCIL. CHRISTINA. I BELIEVE THAT AS LONG AS IT'S A IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THIS APPLIED PROSPECTIVELY AND NEUTRALLY, ANY FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO LEAVES, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IF YOU TRULY WANT A DEEP DIVE INTO CONSTITUTIONAL CONSTITUTIONALITY, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TIME. IF YOU TRULY WANT A DEEP DIVE AND A THOROUGH RESEARCHED MEMORANDUM ON THAT BEYOND THE DETAILED SEARCH, ARE THERE EXAMPLES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVING A PROCEDURE LIKE THIS THAT WOULD CREATE A COOLING OFF PERIOD? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO RESEARCH THAT. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY CITY THAT HAS A COOLING OFF PERIOD, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE. OBVIOUSLY IT IS OUT THERE AND OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY. YEAH. MR. WEST, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ANY CITIES THAT HAVE A COOLING OFF PERIOD? YES I AM. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE IS? I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT I HAVEN'T. ONCE MY COUNCIL MEMBERS LEFT OFFICE, THEY USUALLY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK. BUT THE LAST CITY I WORKED FOR DID HAVE A TWO YEAR COOLING OFF PERIOD. ONE OF THE CITIZENS TODAY MENTIONED THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OR EXAMPLES IN 2019, AS A CITY COUNCILOR WAS LOST IN AN ELECTION, OR I GUESS HE RESIGNED AND THEN WAS FILLED BY COUNCILOR PRINCE. THE INDIVIDUAL IMMEDIATELY APPLIED FOR A PNC POSITION, AND COUNCIL FELT LIKE IT WAS BEST TO NOT APPOINT THE INDIVIDUAL. AFTER A 
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YEAR, THAT INDIVIDUAL DID COME BACK AND GET NOMINATED FOR COMMISSIONS. SO YES, THERE ARE ABSOLUTE EXAMPLES OF COMMISSION OR OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE SERVED, WAITED AND THEN CAME BACK AND SERVED AGAIN. I CAN ALSO CITE EXAMPLES, AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE ME TO READ THE TEXTS VERBATIM, I'M HAPPY TO, BUT I HAVE TEXTS IN FRONT OF ME WHERE INDIVIDUALS LIKE CHARLENE OR INDIVIDUALS LIKE MISTER TIDWELL HAVE REQUESTED TO SERVE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME SITTING ON THE DAIS TONIGHT, HAVE SAID, NO, THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD APPOINT THESE PEOPLE ONCE YOU'RE OFF COUNCIL. LET ME JUST READ TO YOU WHAT IT SAYS HERE. I WON'T READ IT VERBATIM, BUT IT SAYS RIDICULOUS. CHARLENE IS MEDDLING. SHE'S NOT EVEN ON COUNCIL ANY LONGER. AND SO THERE HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING PRECEDENT OF MEMBERS ON THIS DAIS THAT BELIEVE THAT WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL IS DONE SERVING, THAT THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD. AGAIN, I, I'M NOT LIKE 100% ON THIS, BUT THERE IS PRECEDENT AND IT HAS HAPPENED TO MORE PEOPLE THAN IT HAS NOT HAPPENED TO. 
          THAT'S IT. THANK YOU MA'AM. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS CONCERNS WITH THIS RESOLUTION OR OPPOSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT? COUNCILOR HALL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES AND THAT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD JUST SPOKE ABOUT ARE THE PERFECTLY THE THE THE REASON WHY THIS IS IS NOT A CONCERN. OUR CURRENT PRACTICE, THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERS WHO IS TO BE APPOINTED TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONS. IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL, AS THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE OR THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE, THOSE ARE APPOINTED. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COUNCIL TO USE OUR JUDGMENT IN WHO WE'RE PROPOSING. AND I THINK THAT SHOULDN'T BE RESTRICTED. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. COUNCILOR, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT? AND I WILL GO BACK TO OPPOSITION. MAYOR, IF I COULD SPEAK FOR JUST ONE SECOND. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I DO HAVE A LIST OF CITIES THAT DO HAVE A HAVE AN EXAMPLE HERE. DALLAS IS ONE YEAR, HOUSTON IS TWO YEARS, LUBBOCK IS ONE YEAR. SAN ANTONIO IS ONE YEAR. THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS IN OPPOSITION, COUNCILOR OWEN, I'M GOING TO. I CREATED THIS TO READ A LITTLE BIT JUST TO ADD A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT IN THAT. NOW, FIRST LET ME JUST SAY AS HAVING AN INTEREST IN B OF A, I REALLY WOULD HAVE LOVED ROB TO PUT HIS APPLICATION IN ON THERE, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD USE THAT WISDOM. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT COOLING OFF PERIODS ARE RECOGNIZED TOOL IN MANY ETHICS FRAMEWORKS. THEY CAN ENHANCE NEUTRALITY, REDUCE POTENTIAL INFLUENCE AND AND SUPPORT PUBLIC TRUST WHEN IMPLEMENTED THOUGHTFULLY. FOR ME, THE KEY QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER A COOLING OFF PERIOD IS VALID IN PRINCIPLE. YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE EMPLOYED IT. THE QUESTION IS HOW IT IS ADOPTED AND WHEN IT IS APPLIED, AND WHETHER IT'S APPLIED CONSISTENTLY AND PROSPECTIVELY, RATHER THAN IN A WAY THAT APPEARS TO AFFECT A FEW APPLICANTS IN THE CURRENT CYCLE. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT INADVERTENTLY CREATING A PRECEDENT WHERE RULES ARE CHANGED AFTER APPLICATIONS ARE RECEIVED. DOING SO CAN CREATE AN APPEARANCE OF TARGETED POLICY MAKING, EVEN WHEN THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. OUR ETHICS POLICY EMPHASIZES AVOIDING EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. 
          THAT INCLUDES ENSURING THAT NEW ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVICE ARE ADOPTED IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS NEUTRALITY AND PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT ANY CHANGE TO ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS BE SUPPORTED BY A BROADER POLICY CONTEXT, NOT JUST A SINGULAR SCENARIO. I BELIEVE YOU WERE TRYING TO DO THAT, COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. I JUST, YOU KNOW, REITERATING LONG TERM ETHICS PROVISIONS SHOULD BE GROUNDED IN BROAD GOVERNANCE GOALS, NOT IMMEDIATE CIRCUMSTANCES. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD CLARIFY WHETHER SUCH A RULE WOULD APPLY 
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PROSPECTIVELY, RETROACTIVELY, OR ONLY FOR FUTURE APPOINTMENT CYCLES. THAT DISTINCTION MATTERS GREATLY FOR FAIRNESS AND TRANSPARENCY. I'M RAISING THESE POINTS NOT TO OPPOSE OR SUPPORT, ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU I AM OPPOSED TO THIS RESOLUTION TODAY. BUT TO ENSURE THAT OUR ACTIONS ALIGN WITH BEST PRACTICES, MAINTAIN PUBLIC TRUST, AND REFLECT WELL ON THE INTEGRITY OF THIS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT OF IT FROM THE CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH AND COME FROM. WE ALSO HAVE A TWO YEAR COOLING OFF PERIOD. IS HAS WORKED WELL IN THE CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH AND WORKED IN. THAT'S ONE THING TO SAY ABOUT IT. ANYTHING ELSE TO, REITERATED COUNCILOR PRINCE. SO MISTER DURBIN SAID, THERE'S NINE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD UP HERE. FIVE OF THOSE BELONG TO ME. AND SO I'M THE SENIOR GUY HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TO RUN AGAIN NEXT YEAR THEN THEN THIS THIS ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO ME AS WELL, WHICH IS FINE. ONE THING I WANT TO SAY IS WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH GETTING PEOPLE TO APPOINT FOR BOARDS AND APPLY FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, EXCEPT FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          TYPICALLY THERE'S 2 TO 3 TIMES AS MANY APPLICANTS FOR THOSE TWO BODIES AS THERE ARE OPENINGS. BUT I'VE BEEN LIAISON FOR A LOT OF COMMITTEES, AND I'VE HAD TO DO A LOT OF HARD RECRUITING TO FILL THEM UP. AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT REALLY THIS MAY APPLY AND FRANKLY, THE THE EXAMPLES THAT AND BY THE WAY, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS THE SAME WAY. IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD TO KEEP BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FILLED OVER MY FIVE YEARS. SO REALLY I THINK IT'S ONLY PLANNING AND ZONING, BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND THE EXAMPLES AND CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED WERE REALLY MOSTLY AROUND PLANNING AND ZONING. AND SO I THINK TO TO MR. HALL'S POINT, COUNCIL ALREADY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S APPLYING FOR A BOARD WHERE WE HAVE TWICE AS MANY APPLICANTS AS WE HAVE OPENINGS, MAYBE IT'S THE BEST CHOICE FOR US TO PICK SOMEBODY OTHER THAN OR MAYBE IT'S THE BEST CHOICE TO PICK THIS PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT I THINK LEAVING IT OPEN TO COUNCIL IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING FOR LAGO VISTA AT AT THIS TIME. COUNCILOR VENICE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, I JUST A FEW THINGS. I THINK I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE AND WHAT HE JUST SAID THAT I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE TO HELP KIND OF PROVIDE SOME GUARDRAILS AROUND THAT. IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS OR MAYORS, I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AROUND FREE ASSOCIATION. IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I GET IT ABOUT THE COOLING OFF PERIOD, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE CRITICAL AROUND AREAS WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT RECEIVE REMUNERATION. RIGHT? SO EMPLOYMENT BY THE CITY OR EMPLOYMENT WITH A VENDOR SELLING INTO THE CITY OR SOME OTHER KIND OF FINANCIAL REWARD THAT THEY MIGHT GET WITHIN THAT YEAR. SO THOSE ORDINANCES OR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE MAKE SENSE TO ME. BUT IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WE HAVE SOMEONE COMING OFF WITH A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. AND AS DARCY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE SWEAR OATH RIGHT WHEN WE SERVE HERE AND WE'RE SWEARING AN OATH WHEN WE SERVE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND SO I WOULD EXPECT THOSE PEOPLE TO BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PARSE OUT ANY PRIVILEGED INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE BEEN PRIVY TO WHILE SERVING VERSUS WHAT THEY CAN DELIBERATE ON AND BASE THEIR DELIBERATIONS ON IF THEY'RE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. SO I TRUST OUR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK I TRUST OUR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN WE'RE APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO MY I GUESS MY SENSE WOULD BE IF I, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TO VOTE FOR THIS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE I'M REALLY UNCLEAR ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF IT AND THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY TO THE CITY. 
          SO IF WE VOTE TODAY, I'D BE OPPOSED IF WE MAYBE MOVE TO TABLE AND LET'S HAVE MORE RESEARCH DONE BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL SO WE UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS BETTER. I'D BE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. I THINK EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE. SO YEAH, I THINK I, I OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS. AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT IS FORMER COUNCILS HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. IF THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO JUST CAME OFF WOULD SERVE THE CITY WELL, AND THAT THEY THOUGHT THERE WERE BETTER CANDIDATES THAN THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. AND I THINK THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. AND I THINK ALSO THE CONCERNS ABOUT A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER SHARING INFORMATION THAT THEY RECEIVED, MAYBE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR ELSEWHERE, THE LAW ALREADY SPEAKS TO THAT. THEY'RE ALREADY NOT TO TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE, WHETHER THEY'RE ON A CITIZEN COMMITTEE OR THEY'RE OUT IN PUBLIC. I THINK IT'S 
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ALREADY ADDRESSED. AND I THINK OUR ETHICS DO AS WELL. AND JUST GENERALLY, I JUST DON'T FAVOR RESOLUTIONS LIKE THIS THAT SPEND A LOT OF TIME THAT TRY TO CONTROL WHAT EITHER CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE DOING OR FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE DOING. RIGHT. THE PEOPLE ELECT THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SERVE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SERVE, AND THEY HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, AND THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR THAT ARE ALREADY SPELLED OUT IN OTHER PLACES. SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. AND I THINK THIS ONE IS IS TO ME, VERY SPECIFIC. I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THE OFF GOING COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO'S APPLYING TO BE ON ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, AND I THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD BE REALLY GREATLY SERVED WITH THAT PERSON ON IT. BUT THAT DISCUSSION IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING WHEN WE GO MAKE APPOINTMENTS FOR COMMITTEES. 
          AND SO I ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO HAS VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC PERSON TO BRING THEM UP. WHEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, IF APPROPRIATE, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN, BUT, COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN. SO I HEARD ONE OBJECTION FROM COUNCILOR OWEN. MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN, APOLOGIZE. YOU HAD SHARED A CONCERN. THAT TIMING THAT IT'S BEING BROUGHT FORTH TODAY. SO WOULD YOU BE WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO APPROVE THIS? IF IT IT, LET'S SAY, STARTED AT THE TURN OF THE YEAR? YEAH. JUST NOT DURING APPLICATIONS. SO IF IT WE'LL SAY WE PUT IT I WOULD CONSIDER IT. I STILL WOULD HAVE CONCERNS SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR VAN NESS. YOU KNOW JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE CROSSING OUR T'S AND DOTTING THE I'S. SO IF THIS WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT. I CAN WITH ALL THAT. YES, I WOULD CONSIDER IT OKAY. AND THEN COUNCILOR VAN NESS, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THIS RESOLUTION AS YOUR CORE CONCERN. IS THAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS, MY BASIC CONCERN IS WE IF SOMEONE ROLLS OFF, THEY BECOME A CITIZEN AGAIN. I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND AS WE'VE STATED, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING FOR BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS, AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH. 
          AND THEY'RE SWEARING AN OATH, AND THEY NEED TO ABIDE BY ETHICAL POLICY NOT TO DO ANYTHING OUT OF BOUNDS WHEN THERE ARE SERVING ON THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SHARING PRIVILEGED INFORMATION OR LEVERAGING THAT INFORMATION WITHIN THEIR DELIBERATIONS. SO I WOULD TRUST SOMEONE ROLLING OFF COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I WOULD TRUST THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO DEAL OR HANDLE IF THAT HAPPENS. I'M NOT SEEING A CLEAR EXAMPLE EITHER. IN THE PAST, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM LAGO VISTA HAS HAD IN THE PAST. SO IF WE'D HAD SOME KIND OF ETHICAL VIOLATIONS AND HAD THOSE CONCERNS AND DECIDED WE NEEDED TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT APPRECIATE IT. 
          I'M READY TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE UNLESS THERE ARE ANY AMENDMENTS, WE'LL HEAR ANY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM IF I REMEMBER THIS RIGHT, I WROTE DOWN COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 252178 AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. COUNCILMAN BEDFORD. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. OKAY, SO I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. JANUARY TO THE FIRST MEETING JANUARY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO GET A LEGAL, FORMAL, LEGAL OPINION ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY. THAT'S AN AMENDMENT REQUEST. COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? YES. OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING OF JANUARY. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, WHO HAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO DO A FORMAL LEGAL STUDY OF THIS, WHICH WAS ACCEPTED BY THE MOTION MAKER, COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          COUNCILMAN PRINCE. JUST THE AMENDMENT OR THE I BELIEVE WE WERE JUST ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          YEAH. IT'S JUST OH YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT'S MY COMMENT. SO SAME COMMENT I MADE EARLIER. I DON'T LIKE US SITTING UP HERE AND SAYING, LET'S GO GET THE ATTORNEY TO SPEND TIME IN CITIZEN'S MONEY INVESTIGATING. I THINK THE CASE HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEARLY LAID OUT BY MR. BENEFIELD. THERE ARE CITIES DOING THIS. AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT. AND I'M FINE WITH SAYING WE'LL DO IT OR NOT DO IT TODAY. I'M FINE WITH US SAYING WE'LL DO IT OR NOT DO IT STARTING IN JANUARY. I AM OPPOSED TO SAYING, LET'S GO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SPEND DOLLARS INVESTIGATING SOMETHING THAT I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DOING IT AND LET'S DECIDE TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT. YEAH. 
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AND I SUPPORT THAT. SO THIS IS STILL A DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. CAN I RETRACT. CAN I RETRACT MY AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT MY PROPOSAL TO THE YES OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THAT BECAUSE I AGREE THERE'S PROBABLY A PRECEDENT, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF IT. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXTEND THAT PEACE OFFERING HERE. SO WE ARE WITHDRAWING THE AMENDMENT AS YOU ARE SO GOOD AS A SECOND. OKAY. SO NOW WE ARE BACK ON THE MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENEFIELD, WHICH IS SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 TWO AND SEVEN EIGHT. MAYOR, I THINK WE BACKED UP JUST A HALF STEP TO THE TABLING MOTION TO TABLE IT. THIS IS THE MOTION TO TABLE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO TABLE? WELL I GUESS CAN I ASK TO COUNCILOR PRINCE'S POINT IF IF WE FEEL WE HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AND DON'T NEED LEGAL REVIEW, DO WE TABLE IT AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME THING IN JANUARY. SO I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY IF THAT'S HOW YOU OR I FEEL WE WOULD VOTE AGAINST THE TABLING AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE VOTE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. RIGHT? RIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO TABLE BEFORE I TAKE IT TO A VOTE? OKAY. ALL THOSE THAT SUPPORT SAY I, I'M SORRY. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY, NAY, NAY. THE NAYS HAVE IT. 
          THE MOTION FAILS TO TABLE. SO WE ARE BACK ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE, WHICH WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THAT TO A VOTE? I SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN SUPPORT SAY I ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NAY. THE NAYS HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THE THE THE MOTION FAILS. OKAY, THEN I WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH WE DO. GET. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. RIGHT. FIVE. SO WE'RE ON TO SIX. ITEM NUMBER 
          [IX.6. Consideration and Possible action to authorize the City Manager to execute a service agreement between the City of Lago Vista & LJB Engineering for Phase 3 of the City's GIS Refresh- Quadrant 3 with Lidar in the amount of $217,690.]
SIX CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA AND LJB ENGINEERING FOR PHASE THREE OF THE CITY'S GIS. REFRESH. QUADRANT THREE WITH LIDAR AND THE AMOUNTS OF $217,690. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHARLES FOR THE STAFF REPORT. MAYOR, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ARNESTO, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND OUR PROCUREMENT MANAGER, ERIC DE LA CRUZ, FOR THE QUESTIONS AND STUFF. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. CHARLES. SO THIS WAS APPROVED DURING THE BUDGET SESSION AND IT'S A QUADRANT THREE TO ASSESS THE WATER LINES, SEWER LINES. AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO CULVERTS, GUARDRAILS AND STREETS, STREET SIGNS AND MAP THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY. RIGHT. SO I'LL DO I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON IT. SO THIS WAS AWARDED BY COUNCIL FEW YEARS AGO. THE VENDOR ESSENTIALLY SEPARATED THE CITY INTO FOUR QUADRANTS. WE'VE COMPLETED PHASES ONE AND TWO QUADRANT. THIS QUADRANT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LARGEST, WHICH IS WHY THE PRICE IS A LITTLE HIGHER LAND WISE. BUT IT CONTINUED PROJECT TO ESSENTIALLY FIND OUT WHERE ALL OUR UTILITIES ARE AND HELP PUBLIC WORKS GET KNOW WHERE IT IS, HELP CITIZENS IN CASE OF WATER, BREAKAGES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. YOU SAID THIS WAS AWARDED COUNCIL'S AGO OR FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, CORRECT? DO YOU RECALL THIS? THE DETAILS OF THAT CONTRACT ARE WE TIED TO. WE MUST. THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY. WE MUST GO THROUGH WITH THIS, YOU KNOW. SO I DON'T REMEMBER. IT WAS PRIOR TO WHEN I CAME ABOARD. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY SEPARATED IT OUT WHERE WE'D HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE EACH ONE. SO. 
          AND YOU SAID THIS IS THE FOUR QUADRANTS. I SAW A MAP OF THIS QUADRANT. HAVE COUNCIL, HAS COUNCIL BEEN SHARED THE WORK PRODUCT OF THE PREVIOUS TWO QUADRANTS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT IT'S QUITE A LOT OF INFORMATION, USEFUL INFORMATION. WE JUST RECENTLY BEEN LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE DATA. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY STREET SIGNS THAT WERE MAPPED. DRIVER CULVERTS, WATER, WASTEWATER, WATER BOXES, METER BOXES, SEWER SERVICES, A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION. IT IS IN OUR WEBSITE BASED. I CAN SHARE THE LINK SO YOU GUYS CAN ACCESS IT. 
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AND IT'S IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. SO THIS IS A THE ONE BEFORE THE LAST QUADRANT OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE HAVE A WHOLE CITY MAP OKAY. ANY OTHER TECHNICAL OR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF. YEAH. MAY I ASK WHAT'S YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE QUALITY OF THE WORK AND THE VALUE THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM THE OUTPUT? VERY GOOD, VERY INFORMATIONAL. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH DATA THAT WE'RE COLLECTING UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE STARTED LOOKING INTO DETAIL WHAT IT WAS, AND AS WE WERE LOOKING INTO SURVEYING LIGHT POLES, STREET SIGNS AND STOP SIGNS, ALL KINDS OF SIGNS, AND WE BONDED ALREADY IN THERE. IT WAS JUST NOT BEING REALIZED. AND WE TAKE IT OVER TO DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH A LOT OF STUFF, SO A LOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION. COUNCIL PRINCE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE IS THIS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. FORGIVE ME. IS THIS THIS PROCESS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO EVERY YEAR, EVERY TEN YEARS, EVERY 20 YEARS? OR IT'S A ONE AND DONE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHOULD WE EXPECT TO DO THIS AGAIN? AS THE CITY GROWS AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET A GIS TECHNICIAN ON BOARD, WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET THAT GIS TO CONTINUE THE THE MAPPING OF THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERY YEAR. BUT IF WE DON'T KEEP UP WITH IT, IT MIGHT COME UP. YEAH. SO IF WE DON'T KEEP GOOD RECORDS UNFORTUNATELY HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TO DO IT. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT, MR. WEST? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS AROUND THE BUDGET, AND I HAD SENT YOU TWO GUYS THIS IN ADVANCE. I SEE IN YOUR BUDGET YOU GOT $300,000 IN FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THIS CHOOSE UP 217 218,000 OF THAT. THE OTHER TWO ITEMS IN THERE. ONE WAS BEEHIVE AND IS THE REMAINING 82,000 SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT YOU THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THINGS YOU NEED TO DO THIS YEAR? YES, SIR. THAT'S A MATTER OF FACT. THEY'RE ALREADY PAID FOR IT. THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE LINE. ITEM IS REMAINING PROJECT OKAY. AND YOU'LL STILL BE UNDER 300,000 TOTAL FOR OKAY. 
          GOOD. IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY MORE CHANGES TO WHAT WE WANT. OKAY. YEAH. MY QUESTION IS, IS, ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED AND WE ARE WORKING TO MOVE GIS IN HOUSE ARE AS LONG AS WE HAVE GIS PERSONNEL IN HOUSE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS DATA UPDATED AND GROW IT. IF THE CITY GROWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY, THAT WAS MY BIG QUESTION. COUNCILOR. I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. AND THAT IS HOW IS THE CHARGE FOR THAT? THE AMOUNT HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE THE CHARGES FOR THE PREVIOUS WORK? AND DOES THAT SEEM TO BE IN LINE WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEING REQUIRED? IS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING IS FOR WHAT THE WORK THEY'RE DOING? WELL, THEY DID THE OTHER TWO QUADRANTS. YES, YES. SO THE FIRST QUADRANT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BECAUSE THE IT WAS MORE DATA INPUT. AND THEY SCANNED RECORDS. THEY UPLOADED THE WHOLE WHAT WE GAVE THEM CLAIMS FILES, HISTORIC RECORDS, EVERYTHING. SO THAT WAS A LOT HIGHER. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HIGHER, BUT I KNOW IT WAS A LOT MORE WORK. THIS ONE IS MORE CONTINUATION. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR RECORDS. THEY JUST HAVE TO COME IN THE FIELD, MAP THE AREA, PUT FLAGS AND START THAT PROCESS, BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT AND START DOCUMENTING, AND THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO CORROBORATE THE INFORMATION THEY GET FROM US TO WORK WITH ME. COUNCILOR ROHAN. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO THIS GIS DATA THEN IS AVAILABLE WITHIN CITY OF LAGO. ET CETERA. RIGHT. FOR FOR TO GO MAYBE BEYOND JUST OUR PUBLIC WORKS. IS THAT GIS DATA. THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR YOU AND ALSO FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. CAN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ALSO UTILIZE THIS DATA FOR PROJECTS? THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. GIS IS A HUGE TOOL THAT WE USE IN WHAT WE DO FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. GIS TECHNICIAN SHOULD BE TAKING CONSTRUCTION PLANS, PLAT SURVEYS AND PUTTING THAT DATA INTO. SO THE MAINTENANCE ONGOING AFTER EVERYTHING IS CATALOGED SHOULD BE A CONTINUING THING EVERY TIME WE HAVE A PROJECT. BUT I USE GIS EVERY DAY. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES UP. I THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST REQUESTS WHEN I CAME IN TO GET ACCESS TO THE SOFTWARE. IT'S A PRETTY REGULAR THING THAT WE USE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ALL UP I HAD IS A CLARIFICATION. CLARIFICATION ON TASK TWO, THE DATA COLLECTION. SO THEY ARE GOING TO OUTSOURCE THIS PART 121,000 TO THE SPICER GROUP. AND AM I CORRECT THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY DO MOBILE LIDAR, BUT ONLY FOR TWO DAYS. 
          THEY'LL HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON SITE FOR TWO DAYS, AND THAT'S THEIR COMPONENT OF IT AS ANY OTHER 
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PART. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS ANY OTHER PART OF THIS PROJECT OUTSOURCED TO SOMEBODY ELSE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE ENGINEER, THE JAZZ FIRM DOES IT ALL SO THAT THE SOLE GUESS CONTRACT OWNERS AND THEY SUBCONTRACT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. PLEASE SUBTRACT. SUBCONTRACTOR SPICER OKAY FOR THAT TASK. RIGHT. THE LIDAR PART OF IT. AND THEN JORDAN, MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO I BRIEFLY MENTIONED TO US BEFORE I DID WHAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO. AND I WENT ON CHATGPT AND I SAID REVIEW THIS IS IT. RELATIVE TO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO DO THIS FOR MUCH LESS. AND IT SPIT BACK WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE REAL DETAILS. RIGHT? IT HAS CHATGPT DOES MAKE MISTAKES, BUT WHAT IT SAID WAS ABSOLUTELY. IT SAYS THAT THERE IS NATIONAL AND STATE LIDAR THAT'S ALWAYS GOING ON. YOU CAN PAY MAYBE A THOUSAND BUCKS A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S A SERVICE THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU GET ALL THE LIDAR ELEVATIONS AND ALL THAT, AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY, YOU CAN PURCHASE SOME OF THE SAME EQUIPMENT FOR LESS THAN 50 GRAND, AND YOUR OWN STAFF CAN GO OUT AND TAG AND IDENTIFY THESE THINGS. AND THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY THAT PEOPLE DO THIS. CONSIDERING THIS IS A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION ALMOST. IS THAT AN OPTION THAT WE LOOKED INTO? IS THAT ACTUALLY FEASIBLE OR IS THAT TOO FAR OUT THERE? SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT FOR THE LIDAR YOU HAVE TO GET TRAINED TO USE AS WELL. YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT. SO ON THE LIDAR FRONT, THERE ARE SERVICES LIKE NEARMAP THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE A YEARLY SUBSCRIPTION AND DOWNLOAD LIDAR AS THEY UPDATE IT. THEY ALSO DO 3D BUILDINGS SO THEY COME OUT SCAN. 
          YOU HAVE TO PAY THE YEARLY SUBSCRIPTION, BUT YOU CAN REDOWNLOAD THE DATA THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS YOU NEED IT AS IT UPDATES. IT'S TYPICALLY UPDATED YEARLY, ESPECIALLY IN MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS, WHICH WE'RE IN. THE EQUIPMENT SPECIFICALLY IS A BIG QUESTION BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR EACH, IT'S A TRIMBLE. IT'S A LITTLE HANDHELD DEVICE. THEY'RE ABOUT $5,000. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SOFTWARE AND THE LICENSING THAT GOES WITH IT, BUT IT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO OUR GIS SYSTEM. THE BIGGER, I GUESS CONCERN OR QUESTION IS THE STAFF TIME AND THE RESOURCES THAT GO IN TO SENDING THESE TEAMS OUT IN THE FIELD. A LOT OF LARGER CITIES ARE DOING IT IN-HOUSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT. THERE'S A FEW CITIES THAT HAVE ENTIRE DEPARTMENTS AND PUBLIC WORKS THAT JUST HANDLE MAPPING WHAT'S ON THE GROUND. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ANYWHERE NEAR BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          EVERYTHING'S POSSIBLE WITH TIME AND MONEY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WE DISCUSSED THAT. YOU SAY IS THE POSSIBILITY IN OTHER PLACES YOU'VE SEEN OR MAYBE YOU'VE WORKED THAT INTERNS COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO INTERNS CAN ABSOLUTELY BE A TOOL THAT WE USE TO SEND OUT TO THE FIELD. YOU HAVE TO TRAIN THEM HOW TO OR HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT, HOW TO ACCURATELY REPORT. INTERNS ARE SEASONAL, THOUGH, AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CONSISTENT THING THAT WE CAN HAVE YEAR ROUND. IT ALSO TAKES A STAFF MEMBER WATCHING OVER THOSE INTERNS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT, AND THAT IT'S REPORTING RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT JUST GOES BACK INTO THAT TIME AND MONEY. THANK YOU. ANY MORE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OKAY. THANK YOU. DON'T GO FAR. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP RIGHT NOW, BUT GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY. I WANT OKAY. GOING TWICE. KEEP IT CHARLES ANOTHER MOMENT AND OKAY SO NO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THAT. AND I AM OPEN TO A MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER MAYOR I MOVE TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL ALTERNATIVE METHODS CAN BE EXPLORED. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WOULD SECOND IS SECONDED BY MAYOR SOP AND NOW OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. AND COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD, YOU MADE THE MOTION. SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT. TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR SAM, THE QUARTER OF $1 MILLION IS JUST FOR QUADRANT THREE. THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR QUADRANTS. THERE'S ONE AND TWO HAVE ALREADY BEEN NEAR COMPLETION. AND THEN THIS IS QUADRANT THREE I. YES, SIR. QUADRANT ONE AND TWO ARE DONE. OH THEY'RE DONE. YEAH. IT JUST SAID THEY WERE IN THE ARE WORKING TO COMPLETE. SO THEY'RE FINISHED OKAY. SO THIS IS QUADRANT THREE. BUT AFTER THIS THERE'LL BE A QUADRANT FOUR. ONE COULD REASONABLY ASSUME THAT QUADRANT FOUR IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER QUARTER OF $1 MILLION. SO. YES, SIR. MOVE TO QUADRANT THREE BECAUSE IT HAS THE MOST POPULATION. 
          QUADRANT FOUR IS LESS HOMES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE WILL DO THAT IN-HOUSE. AND POTENTIALLY 
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WHERE YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING GET EQUIPMENT. AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE'LL HAVE GIS STAFF ON BOARD THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM DO THAT. BUT THIS WOULD THIS THIS IS A DENSE AREA WITH A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON ON INFRASTRUCTURE. I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE YOU VALIDATED MAYBE MY TABLE BECAUSE IF THE GOAL IS ULTIMATELY TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THIS LIGHT, OUR INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AS YOU LOOK INTO THAT, MAYBE YOU START AT ZONE QUADRANT FOUR, GET FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, GET FAMILIAR WITH THE PRODUCT AND THE LESS DENSE AREAS. AND BY THE BY THE TIME YOU'RE PROS, WE COME AND DO QUADRANT THREE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT. I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING. SURE. SO CHARLES, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK. I THINK I RECALL WE ARE BRINGING WE ARE HIRING A PERSON TO DO THE CONTINUED GIS AND GETTING THEM TRAINED AND UP TO SPEED. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. 
          WORKING ON IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON WORKING ON IT? I KNOW ESTIMATED WE HAVE. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GIS PERSON ON STAFF, BUT THEY ARE OUT ON MILITARY LEAVE AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK OR NOT. OUR PART TIME PERSON HAS NOT DECIDED IF THEY WANT A FULL TIME JOB WITH US YET OR NOT. SO. YOU KNOW THE TIMING OF IT AND US DOING IT. I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE DOING THIS IN-HOUSE, BUT I THINK FOR TIME'S SAKE AND GETTING THE BEST BENEFIT OUT OF THIS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO SPEND THE FUNDS NOW TO GET THIS DONE, BUT MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO KEEP IT UPDATED. AND HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE GET TO QUADRANT FOUR, WE HAVE THE STUFF TO DO IT IN-HOUSE AND DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY. COUNCILMEMBER PRINCE SO YOU KNOW, MAKING UP NUMBERS EDUCATED GUESS HERE. WHAT I HEAR FROM STAFF IS WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF. 
          IT WOULD BE A HEAVIER LOAD ON OUR EXISTING STAFF TO MANAGE THE NEW STAFF. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INSTEAD OF 217,000, WE SPEND EFFECTIVELY 120 OR 130,000. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE SAVED. BUT IT'S OVERHEAD ON STAFF. AND SO MY QUESTION IS AND THIS COMES SORT OF TIME VALUE OF MONEY TIME VALUE OF EFFORT. HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR US TO GET THIS Q3 THIRD QUADRANT OF LIDAR DATA DONE NOW VERSUS A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW? IF WE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES US A WHILE TO WORK THROUGH DOING IT OURSELVES. THE AREA THAT QUADRANT THREE IS GOING TO MAP IS THE MOST UNKNOWN BECAUSE IT HAS THE MOST WATER LINES, SEWER LINES THAT ARE THAT HAS VALVES THAT ARE NOT WORKING EFFECTIVELY. WE CANNOT SHUT DOWN THE WATER AT A SMALL PORTION. SO WE HAVE TO DIG OUT THE LINES AND FIND THEM BY DIGGING. IT'S A LOT OF TIME AND STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, MONEY THAT YOU SPEND TRYING TO LOCATE THE LINES, REPAIR THE VALVES. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO PLAN TO INSTALL VALVES STRATEGICALLY SO WE CAN ISOLATE THE WATER. THAT'S ONE PORTION. THE SEWER IS THE OTHER SECTION. IT ALSO HAS A LOT OF EFFLUENT LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THIS WHOLE AREA. THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS THE STORM DRAIN. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO A STORM DRAIN INSPECTION AND LOCATION SO THAT WE CAN YOU CAN HELP WITH OUR STORM DRAINAGE STUDY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL. THIS QUADRANT. I REALLY LIKE IT TO GET IT DONE. BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL OR THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WILL LOOK INTO IT. CAN I MAKE CAN I MAKE A FOLLOW ON TO THAT. YEAH. 
          SO TO ME THIS IS A CLASSIC MAKE BUY KIND OF DECISION. RIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS CHEAPER TO DO THINGS YOURSELF THAN TO OUTSOURCE THINGS. BUT YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING YOURSELF. AND WHERE MY WHERE I'M COMING DOWN ON THE DECISION TO DO THIS EXTERNALLY WAS MADE SOME YEARS AGO. WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH. CITY STAFF IS SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. WE NEED TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY. YES, WE COULD DO IT OURSELVES, BUT THAT'S GOING TO DISRUPT THE TIMELINE. SO I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. WELL, YES. AND TO FOLLOW ON. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT'S THE SENSE OF TIMING OF COMPLETION. QUADRANT THREE VERSUS IF WE WAITED. AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO TRY TO HIRE STAFF AND GET EQUIPMENT AND LICENSES, ETC. ETC. IF IT GETS APPROVED TONIGHT, THEY WILL BE ON THE GROUND IN DECEMBER, BE DONE BY JANUARY OR FEBRUARY WITH ALL THE DATA COLLECTION, EVERYTHING POTENTIALLY DONE BY END OF FEBRUARY, BEGINNING OF MARCH, AND THAT'LL BE DATA AND REPORTING THAT YOU GUYS CAN THEN LEVERAGE IMMEDIATELY FOR THE SEWER WORK AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE VALVES, ETC. 
          AND THEM HAVING ALREADY A LOT OF OUR INFORMATION OR KMC FILES, A HISTORICAL MAPS AND ALL THAT, 
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HONESTLY PROBABLY TAKE THEM A LOT LESS. NO ONE ELSE IS THEIR FIRST COMMENTS I GUESS I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE REASON THAT I DO FAVOR TABLING THIS AND DOING THIS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WORK PRODUCT ALREADY, RIGHT? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, HOW YOU ACTUALLY USE IT. I COULD GET IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I JUST NEED TO SEE MORE. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WANT TO SEE MORE THOROUGH AGENDA PACKET DOCUMENTATION. IF I'M GOING TO APPROVE A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION, I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE GETTING. AND WE'RE ALREADY HALFWAY THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF IT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING. SO JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T FEEL THAT I'M EDUCATED ENOUGH ON THIS TO GIVE IT A GO AHEAD. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS GIVING ME CONSTERNATION. IS THAT WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IS, YOU KNOW, JUST RECENTLY CHARLES WAS TELLING ME ALL THESE ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING AT WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONE AND THE PRESS. SO I'M SEEING DOLLAR SIGNS. I NEED TO FIND PLACES TO CUT MONEY. AND IF THIS IS A PLACE TO CUT MONEY, THAT ISN'T AN EMERGENT NEED, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST CONTINUING ON THE PLAN. I JUST LIKE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY TABLING MAKES SENSE AT THIS POINT. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL JUST ADD ONE COMMENT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND COUNCILOR PRINCE'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY VALID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT BECAUSE OF TIMELINESS? I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN WHEN IT HAS TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE TWO DAYS TO TO TO DO THIS MAPPING. AND I'M THINKING THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I KNOW THERE'S MORE THINGS INVOLVED WITH IT, BUT BUT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF IF THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO CUT THAT EXPENSE. 
          THAT'S WRONG. YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT. I'M SENSITIVE TO THE NEED BECAUSE I'VE TALKED WITH ERNESTO AT LENGTH ABOUT WHEN WHEN THEY HAD HER BASICALLY A WATER BREAK AND THEY WERE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR RESIDENTS. THAT SAID, I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THE ABILITY TO STUDY IT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T DRAG OUT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THIS COULD RETURN ON OUR VERY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT GIVES US A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, HOPEFULLY DOES NOT DELAY THE TIMELINE TOO MUCH FOR YOU AND ESTO. I DON'T THINK SO. IF IT'S JUST FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK WE SHOULD BE FINE. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WELL VERSED IN IT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE GETTING AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. IF WE TABLE IT AND DON'T SAY A SPECIFIC DATE, IT'S GOT TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ERNESTO, BY GOING TO THE NEXT MEETING, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PUT A PRESENTATION TOGETHER TO SHOW THEM SOME OF THE DATA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED IN THE FIRST QUADRANT? FIRST TWO QUADRANTS? YES I CAN YEAH. MAKE THAT CHART ON THIS COUNCIL. 
          PRINCE JUST GOING TO SAY TO ME I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO. YEAH. LET'S WHAT DOES THE DATA LOOK LIKE AND HOW DO YOU USE IT. AND ARE WE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THAT'S USEFUL. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR JOB RIGHT. THAT'S CITY STAFF JOB. OUR MY GREATER CONCERN IF WE'RE GOING TO DEFER IT. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS WORTH DEFERRING IT FOR IS IF STAFF IN TWO WEEKS CAN COME BACK AND SAY, IF WE WERE TO DO IT OURSELVES, HERE'S HOW MUCH WE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COST THE CITY AND WHEN WE CAN GET IT DONE. SO $217,000, WE GET IT IN JANUARY ISH TIME FRAME, I THINK IS WHAT WE HEARD. AND IF THE CITY DOES IT OURSELVES, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND X PRESUMABLY LESS THAN 217. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HIRE AND TRAIN AND DO THE WORK AND WE'LL GET IT DONE BY SOME DATE. AND IF THAT NEW DATA ISN'T OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MAKE A DECISION TO TO DO THIS. AGAIN, MAKE VERSUS BUY. CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? AND 2019 WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING HERE, THEY STARTED WITH DIGITIZING ALL THE WATER METER BOXES. IT TOOK US ONE STAFF MEMBER SIX MONTHS JUST TO DO THE WATER BOXES ONE MONTH. AND THAT WAS FROM BEGINNING FROM THE SUN CAME OUT TILL THEY WERE OFF THE SHIP. THERE WAS CONSTANT ISSUES WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD THE BEST AT THE TIME, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT IT DID TAKE THEM SIX MONTHS. THAT WAS THE FIRST STEP TO THE NEW ERA, AND THEY HAVE VERY HELPFUL TO LOCATE WATER BOXES. AND WE WOULD TRANSFER TO THE NEW METER SYSTEM. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. SO A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF HOW LONG IT KIND OF TAKES. SO THERE'S ONE PERSON SIX MONTHS AND YOU MAY I KNOW MR. HALL, YOU HE, HE SAID THE TWO PEOPLE TWO DAYS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC SUBTASK WITH THAT I ASSUME THE WORK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO HERE IS A LOT MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE. TWO DAYS WORTH OF WORK, WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, STREET LINES, WATER SERVICES, SEWER SERVICES, VALVES, STREET SIGNS, CULVERTS. GUARDRAILS. I CAN'T RECALL WHAT ELSE. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THE STREETS. STREET LIGHTS WILL BE REMOVED BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A KMC FILES WITH STREET LIGHTS. OKAY, SO WHEN YOU NAME THOSE ITEMS, YOU'RE SAYING SO THE IN THE SCOPE HERE 
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IT SAYS TWO DAYS TWO PEOPLE. YOU'RE SAYING TO DO ALL THOSE OTHERS. THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON SITE MORE DAYS THAN WHAT'S LISTED IN HERE TO DO THOSE THINGS. MORE LIKELY. I NEVER BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW. I WAS PART OF THE OTHER ONE WHEN IT WAS GIVEN DATA AND INFORMATION AND LIKE, HEY, WHAT IS THIS? CAN YOU COME LOOK AT THIS? WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? WHAT IS THIS DO? WHAT IS THAT? TO CORROBORATE WHAT THEY WERE PUTTING, CROSS-REFERENCE OUR HISTORIC MAPS. TO WHAT? WHAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING. BECAUSE I SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS LOOKING AT WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE GROUND THAT I DUG UP, THAT VALVES THAT I'VE TURNED. AND IT'S JUST NOT ON THE GROUND. 
          JUST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT USEFUL IF IT GETS TABLED. I THINK I'D LIKE THAT. CLARIFYING PROBLEMS. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS IF WE DO IT OURSELVES AND WE HIRE STAFF THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS AFTER WE GET IT DONE, WHAT DO I DO WITH THOSE STAFF MEMBERS? WELL, MY THOUGHT WAS YOU'RE NOT HIRING NEW STAFF TO DO ALL THIS. THE PART OF IT IS A SIMPLIFIED YOU'RE GOING AROUND GEOTAGGING THINGS. THAT'S AN INTERN JOB, I'D SAY. LET'S DIG INTO THIS SCHOOL, LBJ SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UT TEXAS STATE, AND WE SEE IF WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM DO SUCH A MUNDANE TASK. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE RESEARCHED MORE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'M JUST NOT INFORMED ENOUGH AT THIS TIME. THAT'S FINE. AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN QUESTIONING THIS PROJECT FROM THE DAY I GOT HERE. SO I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE THIS WAS STARTED BEFORE MY TIME, AND THEY'RE THE EXPERTS ON WHAT THEY NEED AND DON'T NEED. NOT ME COUNCIL. SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, WHAT I, COUNCILOR HALL WAS REFERRING TO, WAS THE FEE STRUCTURE 121,000. 
          HERE HE WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHERE IT SAYS TWO PEOPLE ON SITE FOR TWO DAYS MARKING ASSETS NOT VISIBLE. SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ENTIRE SCOPE. IT ALSO GOES THROUGH AND TALKS ABOUT THE MANHOLES, THE FEATURES NOT COLLECTED AND AND ALSO VISIBLE BY LIDAR. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SCOPE IS ACTUALLY QUITE LONGER AND MORE THAN JUST TWO DAYS. I THINK THEY WERE JUST SAYING TWO DAYS FOR THE NON-VISIBLE. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM NINE MONTHS. EXACTLY. SO THE TWO, THE TWO DAY PORTION HERE WHERE IT SAYS TWO PEOPLE ON SITE FOR TWO DAYS, THAT'S JUST MARKING ASSETS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROADWAY. SO THE 121 ON THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE WHEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THAT'S ALMOST HALF THE PROJECT. SO I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SHOP THAT THEY'RE USING THIS VENDOR. MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PORTION TO BE DONE BY US. IF IT'S A TWO DAY, TWO PERSON JOB, COULD THE CITY TAKE ON THAT TWO PERSON, TWO DAY JOB AND SAVE US 121,000? IT'S NOT, I THINK, SOMETHING ELSE WHERE YOU NEED TO TAKE IT. SORRY, I NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED, BUT IS WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT WAS SIGNED WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY AWARDED? I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING THE CONTRACT, THAT WE'RE ALREADY CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DO THIS. IF THE COST IS JUST BROKEN DOWN ON THE MANHOLE. I FORGOT TO MENTION THEY ACTUALLY GIVE US THE DEPTH AND THE WIDTH. THE THE SIZE OF THE MANHOLE AND THE CONDITION OF THE MANHOLE. 
          YEAH. SO CAN I ASK? I HAVE A I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT SAYS ANY ASSETS THAT ARE BURIED AT THE END OF THE TWO DAYS ON SITE WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. AND SO. SO ANYWAY, IT'S JUST MY READING OF THIS. I'M JUST UNCLEAR AS TO EXACTLY WHAT WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BEYOND THE TWO DAYS, IF THE LEADER WILL IN FACT MAP ALL ALL THAT'S THAT'S VISIBLE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY LIST. THEY LIST EVERYTHING THAT'S VISIBLE. FOLLOWING ASSETS WILL BE COLLECTED IF VISIBLE BY LIDAR. AND THEY HAVE A LONG LIST OF, OF ITEMS. SO I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I AGAIN I'M JUST NOT CLEAR ON ON THE SCOPE OF WORK AND AND WHY WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT FAR LESS EXPENSIVELY. BUT BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY, MY LACK OF EXPERTISE KNOWLEDGE ON THIS SUBJECT. COUNCILOR. DID YOU COMMENT? YES. I WANTED TO ASK IF IT'S SUFFICIENT TIME IF THIS GOES TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, DECEMBER 4TH, FOR YOU GUYS TO PULL TOGETHER. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CONSIDERATION OF CHEAPER, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF STAFF HAVING TO HIRE QUALIFIED STAFF EQUIPMENT? WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE TIMELINE TO GET IT COMPLETED? BECAUSE TIME ADDS MONEY TO AND COST SUPERVISORY OF OUR CURRENT STAFF THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY OFF WOULD BE BETTER SERVED DOING OTHER THINGS. RIGHT. SO DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO PULL ALL THAT ESTIMATE TOGETHER? NO. TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES. YES. AND WHAT IT WAS DONE PREVIOUS, WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACT AND QUADRANT ONE AND ALL THAT. YES. TO GET THAT DATA. PROBABLY NOT. OKAY. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. IF WE TABLE IT, I KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE A 
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TIMELY DECISION IF WE DO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD SO YOU GUYS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. 
          BUT IF WE TABLE IT, THAT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION I'D WANT TO SEE. AS COUNCILOR PRINCE SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF OF MAYBE TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND COULD WE EVEN DO IT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S EVEN DOABLE AND WOULD SAVE US THAT MUCH MONEY. 
          MEANWHILE, WE'RE WASTING TIME AND NOT GETTING THE WORK DONE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS FOR FULL CONSIDERATION. WE'D HAVE TO TABLE IT FOR EVEN LONGER TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE TRIED TO DO IT ALL IN-HOUSE. SO THAT'S JUST CONCERN I WANTED TO EXPRESS. I LIKED YOUR IDEA OF THE INTERNS, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT BASED ON THE TIMELINE NOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD WE WOULD HAVE TO GET INTO UNDER CONTRACT WITH AN INTERN, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GET WAIT TILL SUMMER TO DO SO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM RIGHT NOW FOR SPRING SESSION. SO THEY WOULD START IN JANUARY AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH MAY. SO THOSE INTERNS ARE GOING TO BE HARD TO COME BY RIGHT NOW. VERY HARD CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET AN AGREEMENT FORMULATED FOR THE SUMMER. WE COULD ASK TEXAS STATE, WE'RE ON AN ISLAND WITH THEM. YEAH. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO TABLE? OTHERWISE I WILL MOVE TO A VOTE AND WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE ANOTHER MOTION IF THAT GOES A DIFFERENT WAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COUNCILMAN BENFIELD'S MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM, SECONDED BY MYSELF, SAY I, I ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. YES. ONE. TWO 343. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION TO TABLE SUCCEEDS. I WILL MOVE ON TO. SEVEN. NOW, MAYOR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I DON'T I DON'T RECALL YOU TAKING ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. I THINK YOU STARTED TO READ IT, AND 
          [IX.3. Consideration and Possible action to pass Resolution No. 25-2176, updating the City's authorized signatory list by removing former City employees and Council members, and adding new employees and Council members to the signature list.]
THEN WE HAVEN'T SKIPPED IT YET. OKAY, I CAN GO BACK TO THREE. ITEM NUMBER THREE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO PASS RESOLUTION. NUMBER 20 5-2176. UPDATING THE CITY'S AUTHORIZED SIGNATORY LIST BY REMOVING FORMER CITY EMPLOYEES AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND ADDING NEW EMPLOYEES AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE SIGNATURE LIST. AND CHARLES, WHO IS THE STAFF PERSON FOR THIS? WELL, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT MY FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S ME. THIS IS JUST TO GET THE SIGNATORY DEALS BECAUSE I'M NOT A SIGNER ON OUR BANK ACCOUNTS AT THIS TIME. I BELIEVE CURRENTLY THAT ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SIGNATURES ON OUR ACCOUNT, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF STAFF SHORTAGES AT THE TIME. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CUSTOMARY TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER BE A SIGNER ON YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS GFOA PRACTICES. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO LIMIT THAT NUMBER TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE PERSON THAT'S WRITING THE CHECKS BEING THE ONE SIGNING THE CHECKS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE LIMITED THAT AND WAS UTILIZING COUNCIL. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE BACK UP TO STAFF AND WE'VE GOT PROFESSIONAL STAFF, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS MYSELF, THE CITY SECRETARY, FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM BE THE SIGNATURES ON THE BANK ACCOUNTS. THAT KEEPS IT AT FIVE. AND WE CAN'T CHANGE ANY OF THIS. THE BANK WON'T CHANGE ANY OF THIS UNLESS WE BRING THEM ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION THAT THIS WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE THE SIGNERS ON THE BANK ACCOUNT. ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? I WASN'T LISTENING. 
          DID YOU MENTION THAT IT WAS ALSO REMOVING, LIKE, OLD CITY MANAGERS AND WHATNOT? YES. IT'S REMOVING EVERYBODY BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU CHANGE THE PAPERWORK ON THE BANK, NOW IT'S YOU START OVER FROM SCRATCH. IT'S JUST LIKE A BRAND NEW ACCOUNT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, I WILL MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THERE BEING NONE, I AM OPEN TO A MOTION. COUNCIL PRINCE MAYOR I. MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 22 DASH 2176 WITH ONE CHANGE. HISTORICALLY, I KNOW CITY STAFF HAS TRIED TO HAVE JUST COUNCIL MEMBERS SIGN CHECKS, AND THE PROPOSED LIST IN HERE CURRENTLY ONLY HAS TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO I THINK HAVING AT LEAST ONE MORE COUNCIL MEMBER, AND IF HE'S AMENABLE TO IT, I WOULD SUGGEST ADAM BENEFIELD BE THAT THIRD PERSON SO THAT THE LIST BE EXTENDED TO BE CHARLES WEST, ALEXANDER NAVARRO, ROBIN SMITH, SHANE SALM, NORMA OWEN AND ADAM BENEFIELD. AND I MOVE WITH THAT, CHANGE THAT RESOLUTION 25 DASH 2176 BE APPROVED. I SECOND THAT MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL PRINCE, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 521 76. WITH THE CHANGE OF ADDING COUNCILOR ADAM BENEFIELD. 
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IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MY ONLY QUESTION, AND THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY LOVE SIGNING CHECKS BECAUSE YOU GET TO SEE THE MONEY AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND WHO IT'S BEING WRITTEN TO, AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROCESS, TO BE QUITE HONEST. CHARLES, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SIGNERS. WOULD, WOULD ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL ONE BE OF CONCERN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING ONE MORE OWNERS? I, I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVERKILL WHEN YOU HAVE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE. WE HAD WE HAD FIVE, WE HAD FIVE. I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR QUINN'S POINT, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT NORM HAS BEEN OUT OF TOWN OR, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CALL ME UP SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU RUN UP HERE REAL QUICK AND SIGN? AND I THINK 90% OF THE TIME IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY TWO PEOPLE. BUT THERE WERE TIMES THAT THAT THIRD PERSON BECAME VERY AND 1% OF THE TIME THEY WENT TO ME. AND BACK UP TO YOU. YES. OKAY. SEEING NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'M READY TO MOVE TO A VOTE ON COUNCILOR PRINCE'S MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 2-2176, WITH THE CAVEAT OF ADDING. COUNCILOR BENEFIELD SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. NOW I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. CONSIDERATION OF 
          [IX.7. Consideration and Possible action to adopt Resolution No. 25-2177, establishing Section 1.3005 of the Code of Ordinances to prohibit concurrent appointments to multiple City Boards, Commissions, and Committees and directing staff to incorporate the policy into Article 1.300 during the next code update.]
POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2177. ESTABLISHING SECTION 1.3005 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT CONCURRENT APPOINTMENTS TO MULTIPLE CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES, AND DIRECTING STAFF TO INCORPORATE THE POLICY INTO ARTICLE 1.300 DURING THE NEXT CODE UPDATE. I BELIEVE THIS IS COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR SOME TIME. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE HAVE THE BUILDING STANDARDS. WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AS OUR THREE PRIMARY COMMISSIONS. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT COURAGEOUSLY SERVE, BUT THEY SERVE ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND THE PNC OR THE PNC AND THE BOA. AND IN ONE CASE, WE HAVE SOMEONE ON THE BOA, THE PNC AND THE BS. AND SO. SO IT'S NOT A NEW TOPIC OF CONCERN. ONE THING THAT HIGHLIGHTED THIS WAS THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT THE PNC DISCUSSED THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCE, AND THEN THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WENT TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION THAT DISCUSSED THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCE. AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS OR IS IS YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, DRAINAGE. AND THEN THEY WOULD SLIDE RIGHT OVER HERE AND GO TO THE TO ANOTHER COMMISSION AND TALK ABOUT THE EXACT SAME THING. AND IT PUTS THESE COMMISSIONERS AT RISK OF AN OPEN MEETINGS ACT VIOLATION UNINTENTIONALLY. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AN INTENTIONAL THING. IT JUST IT JUST HAPPENS. SO AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, WHICH YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THIS SUPREME COURT SETTING SERVING ON THE PNC AND THE BSE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I PUT FORWARD IS THAT IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE BSE AND PNC, THAT'S FINE. ALLOW THAT TERM TO KIND OF RIDE OUT. NO CHANGE THERE, BUT THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE TRY TO FIND PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY. IF VOLUNTEER APPLICATIONS ARE LOW, WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT CROSS. WE CAN STILL APPLY PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT TO TO THE SAME COMMITTEES, BUT WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO PREVENT THAT. MY RECOMMENDATION IN THE PACKET IS THAT IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY ON THE BOA, YOU MAKE A DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THE BOA OR DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THE PNC? DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THE BOA OR DO YOU WANT TO BE ON BSE? BUT LET'S CLEAN THAT UP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT THAT ISSUE. SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHARLES. YEAH. IF I COULD MAKE ONE COMMENT, THE BIGGEST CONCERN TO THIS, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THIS TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, IS CURRENTLY THE MEMBERS OF THE PNC, AND THERE IS A ENOUGH MEMBERS ON THE BOA OF THOSE TWO BOARDS THAT IT CREATES A QUORUM NO MATTER WHICH BOARD IS MEETING. AND THAT TO ME IS A BIG RED FLAG. BRAD WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE CLOSER, AND HE HAD SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM HIM. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE A QUORUM OF PNC MEMBERS. AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND THEY'RE THE SAME QUORUM FOR BOA, BECAUSE YOUR BOA IS WHO SOME OF YOUR PNC DECISIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BOA. SO THAT'S 
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JUST A REAL CONCERN FOR ME. ANY OTHER TECHNICAL CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? I DO IT. THE LANGUAGE IS GENERIC ACROSS BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, BUT ALL OF THE PROBLEMATIC EXAMPLES HAVE BEEN ARE THREE COMMISSIONS. AND SO DO YOU SEE AN ISSUE, MR. BENNEFIELD, IF THIS WAS NARROWED DOWN TO JUST BE THE SCOPE OF THOSE THREE COMMISSIONS. SOUNDS LIKE RAIN. YEAH, YEAH, JUST WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THOSE FOUR, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT THOSE THREE MEETINGS. OKAY. MAYOR, IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT AS FAR AS CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THAT'S A ONCE EVERY FIVE YEAR COMMITTEE. SO THAT ONE, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING DUAL PEOPLE THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IN FACT THANK YOU COUNCIL BECAUSE IF YOU HADN'T BROUGHT IT UP I WOULD HAVE I FELT LIKE THIS WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU COUNCIL, FOR PUTTING IT FORWARD WITH THE QUASI JUDICIAL COMMISSIONS. BUT IN REGARD TO BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING ELSE, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SMALL TOWN, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE I KNOW WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS MANY VOLUNTEERS ENGAGED AS WE CAN, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD CUT US REALLY, REALLY SHORT IF WE DIDN'T OPEN THAT UP. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO SAY I AGREE AS WELL. IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE THREE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE MOST APPLICANTS FOR, SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD HAVE THAT OVERLAP GOING FORWARD. I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY ALLOW THEM TO SERVE OUT THEIR TERM, SO WE'RE NOT INFRINGING UPON THAT. I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SEVERAL THAT WILL BE TURNING OUT THIS THIS DECEMBER, BUT SOME DON'T TERM OUT UNTIL 2026. I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT TO GO FORWARD AS LONG AS BRAD, OUR COUNCIL DOESN'T LEGAL COUNSEL DOESN'T ADVISE US. OTHERWISE. I'D LIKE TO GO TO CITIZEN COMMENT BEFORE WE GET BACK IN. WE'RE LEAKING IN A DEBATE. DID ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP THERE BEING NONE. LET ME GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT OPEN TO A MOTION. COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.7. TO A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CHAVARRIA. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 252177. AND NOW I OPEN UP DISCUSSION ON THAT. WELL, I, I SUGGESTED A MODIFICATION, BUT IT WAS NOT IN YOUR MOTION. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY? I'LL ACCEPT YOUR. YEAH, MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT THE THE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE COVERED BY THIS WOULD BE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND BUILDING AND PLANNING AND ZONING I SECOND THAT. IN CASE WE NEED A SECOND AMENDMENT REQUEST. REQUEST? IS THAT GOOD WITH. BUT MAY I ASK THOUGH COUNSELOR CHAVARRIA ALSO MENTIONED CURRENT COMMITTEE COUNCIL MEMBERS. RIGHT. ARE KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN THROUGH THEIR TERM. SO I THINK THE LANGUAGE ON POINT THREE, I GUESS NEW APPOINTMENTS, UNLESS IT ADDRESSES RECURRING. BUT DO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO SOMEONE'S ALREADY ON THE BOARD? THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN OR DISCUSSED THAT. SO YEAH, BY ALL MEANS WE CAN DISCUSS IT. SO I DO ACCEPT THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR AMENDMENT. YES. IT SHOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE THREE PLANNING AND ZONING, BSC AND BOA. THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, UNLESS I WROTE IT INCORRECTLY, IS THAT ANYBODY SERVING ON THE BSE AND P AND Z WOULD WRITE OUT THEIR TERMS UNTIL COMPLETION, AND THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING, THAT WE WOULD CORRECT THE VOA IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. GOTCHA. SO FOR FOR EXAMPLE, I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME USING YOU AS AN EXAMPLE. MR. HARRIS, I WOULD ASK THAT I WOULD HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. YEAH, WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING YOU'RE A YOU'RE A YOU'RE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF AN INDIVIDUAL ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AS WRITTEN, THERE WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH MR. HARRIS SAYING, WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE ON THIS ONE, OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE ON THIS ONE AND ALLOW HIM TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT PREFERENCE? AND THEN ONCE HE PROVIDES THAT PREFERENCE, THEN WE WOULD FILL THE OTHER ROLE AS NECESSARY. YEAH. MY 
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CONCERN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE GIVEN THE CHOICE NOT TO SAY YOU'RE OFFERING THIS WHICHEVER. 
          YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO I AM GOING TO STATE ON THIS ONE THE SAME AS THE OTHER AND THAT WE ARE IN THE APPLICATION PERIOD. AND SO WE HAVE BASICALLY BY PUTTING THIS FORWARD WE ARE CHANGING THE RULES OF THE GAME IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR APPLICANTS. AGAIN, I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A A GOOD IDEA. I AM JUST THAT I AM CAUTIOUS WHEN WE START CHANGING THE RULES. I MEAN, SOME OF TO OUR POINT THAT GENE DID NOT KNOW THIS INFORMATION RIGHT PRIOR TO THIS COUNCIL. SO THERE WAS ALREADY APPLICATIONS GOING OUT. IT WAS ASSUMED THAT HE COULD POTENTIALLY DO BOTH. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR TERMS HAVE ENDED, GENE. I'M JUST USING YOU AS A AS AN EXAMPLE. AND SO I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ACTUALLY BE INSTITUTED IN THE FUTURE. NOW WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ALL OF US AGREE THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW, HERE, RIGHT NOW. AND EACH OF THE LIAISONS CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS OVERLAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO FOR THE FUTURE RATHER THAN IN CURRENT TERM. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I WOULD NORMALLY AGREE, BUT WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE APPLICATIONS YET. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ACCEPTING THEM, WE HAVE NOT FORMALLY REVIEWED THEM. SO I DON'T BELIEVE LEGALLY WE WOULD HAVE ANY ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION. SO I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT FROM COUNCILOR OF YOUR AMENDMENT TO COUNCIL. AMENDMENT WAS. TO ADDRESS B OF A NOW AND LET EVERYTHING ELSE RIDE OUT THEIR REGULAR TERMS. IS THAT NO. I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. I WAS WHEN I REREAD THE THE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. I THINK ITEM TWO COVERED. WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT PEOPLE CURRENTLY SERVING WILL BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR CURRENT POSITIONS. OKAY, SO COUNCILOR VENICE HAS WITHDRAWN HER AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO WE ARE ON A DISCUSSION OF COUNCILOR PRINCE'S AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THAT THIS RESOLUTION ONLY APPLIES TO BUILDING AND STANDARDS B OF A AND P AND Z, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK A CLARIFICATION IS IMPORTANT FROM WHAT MISS VENICE JUST SAID. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE IN THE EXISTING LANGUAGE, WHICH WE WOULD APPROVE. ACCORDING TO MY MOTION, HAS THE ACT NOW ON FIXING THE VOA PROBLEM? IT HAS MISTER PENFIELD DESCRIBED. YEAH, OKAY. 
          COUNCILOR BENEFIELD, AND THE ONLY REASON I STILL STAND BEHIND THAT IS TO MISTER WEST POINT. IF WE'RE IDENTIFYING A PROBLEM WITHIN OUR PROCESS, WHETHER THAT'S TODAY, TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK, WE NEED TO FIX IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM IDENTIFIED. AND REGARDLESS IF IF WE WERE TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR THREE WEEKS PAST THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE NEED TO FIX IT. ALRIGHT. CHARLES. YEAH, I THINK THIS PROBLEM IS ACTUALLY GOING TO CORRECT ITSELF BECAUSE YOU'LL BE APPOINTING NEW MEMBERS AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THERE IS NO MEETING SCHEDULED, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UNTIL MAYBE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. IF THERE'S EVEN ANYTHING, THEN BECAUSE VOA DOES NOT MEET REGULARLY. WE DID HAVE A PERIOD THERE WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE MEETING ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT HAS SLOWED DOWN. AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. JUST MY $0.02 ON THAT. DO YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT? I JUST STILL WANT TO CLARIFY. REGARDLESS OF THAT POINT, THE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS WHAT MY MOTION IS, IS, IS TO MOVE NOW ON FIXING THE VOA PROBLEM AND THEN MAKE IT APPLY TO FUTURE FOR PNC AND BUILDING AND STANDARDS. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE MOVE DOWN VOA, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR. COUNCILMAN. AND WHEN YOU SAY MOVE CORRECT. NOW, I THINK THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT TO CORRECT IT TODAY, BUT RATHER TO CORRECT IT AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING IN THIS PROCESS, DURING THIS, THIS PROCESS, THAT AS THE LIAISON'S LOOK AT THEIR APPLICANTS, WE ARE MINDFUL ABOUT THAT. THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF 
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DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD OR ONE ON ONE THAT TRIES TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE VOA. YEAH, I THINK WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. 
          THE AMENDMENT WAS FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. AND SECOND TO THAT AGAIN. MAYOR PRO TEM NORMAL. AND THAT IS TO CORRECT THE VOA, VOA ISSUE DURING THIS CURRENT PROCESS AND TO LIMIT THIS RESOLUTION TO BUILDING STANDARDS. VOA, PNC, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE AMENDMENT IS APPROVED. AND NOW WE ARE BACK ON THE MOTION. WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE. NO NO NO NO EIGHT. ITEM EIGHT. YEAH. 
          ROBIN, DID YOU CAPTURE THAT? IT'S APPROVED AS AMENDED. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE ARE 
          [IX.8. Consideration and Possible action of the holiday schedule and future meeting start times.]
ON TO NUMBER EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION OF THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AND FUTURE MEETINGS START TIMES. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP, I HAD PROPOSED WITH CHARLES AND CHARLES AND I DISCUSSED ABOUT CANCELING THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER. AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY AS ON NEW YEAR'S DAY. 
          AND I THINK CHARLES AND STAFF HAD A PROPOSAL OF A DATE FOR THAT ONE. IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS. 
          I THINK YOU SAID THE SIXTH, BUT SIXTH IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES, MAYBE WITH SOME STAFF AVAILABILITY. WE HAVE PNC ON THAT FOLLOWING THURSDAY INSTEAD, AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T JUST PUSH IT TO THE NEXT THURSDAY. AND THEN I THINK AFTER IT'S A TUESDAY. OKAY. SO SORRY, THIS IS JANUARY, JANUARY. THIS WOULD BE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE SECOND MEETING DECEMBER AND THEN MOVING THE THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY TO POSSIBLY JANUARY 6TH. BUT WE ARE OPEN TO OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S NO CLEAR. ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING JUST DECEMBER 4TH ONLY WOULD BE THE ONLY MEETING IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN JANUARY 6TH AND THEN BACK ON THE NORMAL SCHEDULE WITH JANUARY 15TH. AND THAT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION. MAYOR. YES, COUNCILOR. ARE YOU IS THE PROPOSAL TO KEEP THE MEETING ON JANUARY 15TH, OR IS ARE YOU CONSIDERING WANTING TO ALSO CHANGE THE 15TH INTO THE 22ND? SO THERE'S NO JUST KEEP WE'RE KEEPING THE 15TH, 15TH AS IS, BECAUSE ON THE 22ND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF OUT OF TOWN FOR ELECTION LAW SCHOOL. GOT IT I UNDERSTAND. SO THERE'S NO MORE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND I OPEN IT TO CITIZEN COMMENT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. DO ANY WISH TO. CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS AND I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE BY CANCELING THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 18TH AND MOVING THE MEETING FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2026 TO TUESDAY, JANUARY 6TH. AT OUR NORMAL TIME, AT OUR NORMAL TIME THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SET. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENEFIELD AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE TO CANCEL THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER AND TO MOVE THE JANUARY 1ST MEETING JANUARY 6TH AT OUR REGULAR TIME. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOVE? NOT HEARING ANY. I'M READY TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION IS APPROVED. I BELIEVE WE'RE NOW BACK ON WORK SESSION. MAYOR, I THINK Y'ALL WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT START TIMES OF THE MEETINGS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. 
          JUST SAY THAT OKAY. SO NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT START TIMES. OBVIOUSLY TODAY WE STARTED AT 2 P.M. WE HAD BEEN STARTING AT 1 P.M. BUT WE WERE DOING TWO HOURS OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE TRIMMED BACK TO AN HOUR TODAY. WE PROVED IT TO BE A FIT, BUT THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR Y'ALL. 
          THE REASON THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MOVED THIS FROM LATER. OUR MEETINGS WERE GOING UNTIL 11 OR 12 AT NIGHT, SOMETIMES ONE IN THE MORNING. I DIDN'T THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE VERY BENEFICIAL AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. I KNOW I'VE ASKED SOME OF Y'ALL PRIOR TO YOUR ELECTION IF YOU'RE STILL OKAY WITH THE SCHEDULE. IT STILL WORKS WITH MY SCHEDULE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. IF IT MEETS YOUR SCHEDULE OR IF CHARLES AND THE TEAM HAVE ANY CONCERNS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEETING A MONTH, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE THE WAY IT IS NOW, STAFF IS CONSTANTLY IN A DEAL OF CONSTANT PREPARING FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY SET, BECAUSE WE BASICALLY HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK AND WE LIKE TO GET ALL THE AGENDA IN THE PACKET OUT A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME, SO IT MAKES IT HARD. SO 
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ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT I HAD DISCUSSED WITH MAYOR SAAM IS FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, BE A WORKSHOP TO WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS DIFFERENT THINGS AND ITEMS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH, THE ACTUAL ACTION ITEM MEETING. BUT THAT'S JUST ONE DEAL. IT'S Y'ALL'S I MEAN, STAFF'S GOING TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE EITHER WAY. IT'S JUST HAVING A COUNCIL MEETING THAT IS GOING 4 TO 8 HOURS EVERY OTHER WEEK AND FOR STAFF TO PREPARE FOR IT. STAFF SPENDS ALL THEIR TIME PREPARING FOR MEETINGS AND NOT ALLOWING US THE TIME WE NEED TO DO OUR DAILY DUTIES. I THINK I'LL CLARIFY. I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT ONE MEETING A MONTH. WE'RE STILL MEETING TWICE AS COUNCIL. JUST THAT FIRST ONE IS A WORKSHOP AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO JONESTOWN. WHO DOES THIS? THAT IS A LABOR INTENSIVE MEETING FOR THE STAFF. THE STAFF WILL STILL. THAT'LL BE THE MEETING. THEY PREPARE EVERYTHING THEY CAN IN THE DOCUMENTS FOR US TO DISCUSS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE OPEN ENDED CONVERSATION AND WORKSHOP, BUT THE IDEA BEING ONLY THOSE ITEMS THAT WE BELIEVE HAVE BEEN TRULY VETTED AND ARE READY TO GO ON TO AN ACTUAL ITEM WILL GO TO THAT SECOND MEETING. AND THE THEORY, THE WAY IT WORKS IN JONESTOWN IS BY THAT SECOND MEETING, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED SO MUCH THAT A LOT OF ITEMS STAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IN THAT SECOND MEETING MOVES PRETTY QUICKLY. AND FOR STAFF, MOST OF THE DOCUMENTATION, EVERYTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND IT'S JUST CARRYING IT OVER AND MAYBE ADDING A FEW THINGS. SO AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT ON THAT WORKSHOP, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ACTION FROM THE COUNCIL AND ALL, THERE'S NOT A REASON YOU COULDN'T ADD THAT AN ACTION ITEM TO THE WORKSHOP. WE'RE JUST WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE IT THINGS. SO WE'RE BEING. ALLOWING STAFF TIME TO DO THEIR JOBS, BUT GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS AND ALSO KEEP YOU FROM BEING UP HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS, TWICE A MONTH. COUNCIL MEMBERS CLEARLY ALREADY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY. IF TWO OF YOU WANT AN AGENDA ITEM ON THERE, YOU CAN STILL PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON ANY AGENDA AND THE PUBLIC IS STILL PARTICIPATING IN THE WORK WORK GROUP ONE AS WELL. YES. AND MAKE SURE WE UTILIZE THE DISCUSSION BOARD. YES. THAT'S RIGHT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO USE THE DISCUSSION BOARD, AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE USING THE DISCUSSION BOARD TOO. SO WE ARE GIVING MORE OPPORTUNITY TO TO WEIGH IN ON THESE. BUT THIS COUNCIL, THIS ISN'T A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR TODAY IS IT. THIS WASN'T POSTED. HE DELETED IT INTO I GUESS THE START TIME. 
          START TIME OF THE MEETING IS THE MAIN THING. BUT THAT PART OF IT, THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON SORT OF THE STRUCTURE OF IT. BUT TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TIME WE'RE STARTING AT. IF YOU IF THAT'S THE SCHEDULE, IF THAT CHANGES YOUR MIND AT ALL ABOUT WHEN WE SHOULD START, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST ASK CITIZENS REAL QUICK. ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL ACCEPT. MAY I ASK, ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT START TIMES? ARE WE PROPOSING A DIFFERENT START TIME? OKAY. SORRY. AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE MOTION OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. DO A MOTION ON THE START TIME. MEETING START TIME. I ACTUALLY PROPOSE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO COMMENCE AT 4 P.M. LAST ONE HOUR. AND THE COUNCIL MEETING TO COMMENCE AT FIVE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE CAN MOVE IT TO DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR PRINCESS. SECOND IT. AND WE ARE DISCUSSING THAT MOTION. SO STARTING EXECUTIVE SESSION AT FOUR. COUNCIL MEETING STARTING AT FIVE. COUNCILOR PRINCE I ACTUALLY ONLY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION KNOWING THAT THERE ARE WORK SCHEDULES TO BE ACCOMMODATED. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF WE NEED A SECOND HOUR FOR THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE COULD POP THAT ONTO THE END OF AN EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL THAT TWO HOURS IS NECESSARY. TODAY. WE, EVEN WITH THIS NEW BEING IN THERE, NEW, WE ONLY UTILIZE 45 MINUTES OF THAT AND ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OF IT WAS BANTER. SO I DON'T I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF WE USE THE DISCUSSION BOARD. COUNCIL. SO I GO BACK TO WHEN WE, WE, WE USED TO MEET AT 530. AND THEN THE MAIN OPEN SESSION STARTED AT 630 AND WE WERE GOING TILL MIDNIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO WE HAD A LONG DEBATE IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS. AND WE HAD A SPLIT DECISION UP MOVING. I THINK EVERYBODY WAS IN FAVOR OF MOVING EARLIER. THE QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH EARLIER? AND THE SPLIT DECISION WAS TO START AT 1:00. I PERSONALLY HEARD A LOT OF CITIZENS WHO SAID, I CAN'T GET THERE AT 1:00, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO. SO SO AT THE TIME, I HAD PROPOSED TO MEET IN THE 
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MIDDLE AND I THINK A 4:00 START WITH AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH 5:00 FOR THE MEETING IS FOR THOSE CITIZENS WHO EXPRESS THAT BOTH BOTH TO SHOW UP AS CITIZENS AT MEETING. AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAID TO CONSIDER RUNNING FOR COUNCIL. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT FOR THAT REASON. THE THE BIGGEST DOWNSIDE TO ME IS THAT MEANS WHEN WE DO THAT, STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE HERE MUCH LATER FOR THAT, THAT MEETING. SO I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING STAFF FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT WE HATE OR WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH MAKING THAT WORK. AND I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF LET'S MAKE THE MEETING MORE EFFICIENT, WHERE WE KIND OF PARSE OUT WHAT'S DONE, THE FIRST MEETING IN THE MONTH AND THE SECOND MEETING IN THE MONTH, AND WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT HOUR MEETINGS. THEN I THINK TO ME, I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK. I'D LIKE TO. SORRY, COUNCIL. I JUST CONCERNED THAT WHEN IT WAS WHEN YOU WERE MEETING LATER IN THE DAY AND YOU WERE RUNNING TILL MIDNIGHT, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE AWFUL, BUT I CAN SEE US RUNNING PRETTY LATE IF WE'RE ACTUALLY STARTING THE COUNCIL MEETING AT 5:00. AND, AND IT COULD EASILY RUN TO TEN, 11:00 OR LATER, EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENT DISCUSSION OF AGENDA ITEMS. SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT DOING THAT. AND AND I THINK THAT WE ARE SHORTENING AT LEAST WE'RE MOVING IT FROM 1:00 TO 2:00 WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE STARTING, WHICH IS. THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL. AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD MOVE IT A LITTLE LATER THAN THAT, BUT BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING IT TOO LATE. AND THAT'S BEING HERE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, AND KEEPING STAFF HERE UNTIL LATE, VERY LATE IN THE EVENING, COUNCILMAN. 
          I SUPPORT THE THE START TIME AT FOUR WITH THE ONE HOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. I THINK THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION LAST YEAR WAS THAT WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES. I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND PROCEDURES OF A MEETING, THESE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE FASTER. IT'S EVIDENT BY TODAY. WE'RE WE'RE ONE AGENDA ITEM AWAY FROM BEING FINISHED. AND WE HAD A HEAVY AGENDA PACKET. I MEAN, IT WASN'T A LIGHT PACKET. 
          AND FURTHERMORE, ADDITIONAL MEASURES ARE BEING TAKEN BY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING FORWARD THESE WORK SESSIONS WITH EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, THESE WORK SESSIONS, FOLLOWED BY A SECONDARY MEETING THAT'S GOING TO STREAMLINE THINGS. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STREAMLINE AND THEN STREAMLINE AND THEN STREAMLINE, THESE MEETINGS SHOULD GET PRETTY TIGHT. AND WITH THAT WE HAVE TO BE COGNITIVE OF THAT. WE'RE NOT FINISHING OUR MEETINGS BY 5:00. RIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK 4:00 START TIME, 5:00 FOR THE FOR THE CITIZENS BE DONE AROUND 8:00. I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR AND REASONABLE TO, TO DO. MAYOR TOWN. SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE GRANDMAS AND RESIDENTS HERE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YES, I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO ACCOMMODATING. COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE THAT ARE WORKING. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD WITH RUNNING THIS LATE IS THAT IF WE HAD AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAD OUR RESIDENTS VERY VOCAL ABOUT, MANY OF THEM SENIOR, IT HELPED TO HAVE BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AGENDA ITEM WHEN THERE WAS STILL LIGHT OUTSIDE, SO THAT THEY COULD DRIVE HERE AND DRIVE HOME. I KNOW THAT'S A CRAZY, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD INCREASED ATTENDANCE WHEN WE MOVED THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT SO SURE I'M ACTUALLY GOING. OKAY, 330 TO 430. SO WE HAVE 30 MINUTES OF LIGHT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO RESIDENTS THAT WOULD COME. AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR PROCESS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT AS A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE THOUGHT POTENTIALLY THAT PARTICIPATION WOULD ACTUALLY BE REDUCED AFTER WE MOVE THE MEETINGS UP AND THEN ACTUALLY INCREASED FROM OUR RETIRED POPULATION. LET ME JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, I, I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION ON THAT. THANK YOU. I THINK I AGREE WITH BOTH WHAT YOU SAID AND WITH OUR COUNCIL IS NOT HERE. SO THAT'S WHAT'S TOUGH ABOUT IT IS THAT YOU START AT THE 2 P.M. WHICH I LIKE. WE REALLY COME IN HERE AT THREE, 
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BUT THEN WE DO RECAP EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE TAKE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WE DO AN INVOCATION. 
          THERE'S A LOT IN THERE THAT CITIZENS AREN'T INVOLVED IN. AND SO THEY'RE STILL GETTING THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL AND WHATNOT. AND THEN COMING HERE. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN IT BE SUCCESSFUL. I THINK YOU GET THE OPPOSITE ARGUMENT. IF WE GO PAST 8 OR 9 P.M. CITIZENS START SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PASS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN I'M TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP TO GET MY KIDS TO SLEEP? AND SO YOU YOU JUST KIND OF LOSE BOTH WAYS. AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND. BUT THAT BEING SAID TO COUNCILMAN BENFIELD'S POINT, IF ANYBODY UP HERE IS SAYING THAT YOUR WORK SCHEDULE PROHIBITS YOU FROM MAKING THAT 2 P.M. THEN I WOULD ABANDON THAT. AND I WOULD SAY, IF YOUR WORK COMES FIRST AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THEN JUST LET US KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. MAY I ASK, COULD WE CONSIDER MEETING IN THE MIDDLE? SO. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR ALL THE COUNCILORS. LIKE START AT THREE, EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THREE, AND COUNCIL STARTS AT FOUR. I MEAN, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. I DON'T WORK ON THURSDAYS. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO THROW EVERYBODY ELSE A BONE WHO MIGHT. SO COUNCIL PRINCE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. PERSONALLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE START TIMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CITIZENS WHO EXPRESSED GOING TO 1:00 KIND OF CUTS ME OUT. AND TO COUNCILOR OWEN'S POINT, GOING LATE CUTS OTHER PEOPLE OUT. SO NO MATTER WHERE WE LAND, THERE WILL BE CITIZENS. I HAD PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, SUGGESTED MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO PUT SOME CONTROLS IN PLACE SO WE DON'T GO TILL MIDNIGHT. AND I THINK IN THIS DISCUSSION OF THE WAY WE'VE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, WORK DISCUSSION, WORKING, PLANNING, DISCUSSIONS AND DECISION, I HAD PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED MAYBE WE WANT TO SAY AT AND PICK YOUR TIME, WHETHER IT'S 7:00 OR 8 P.M. OR 9 P.M. 
          WE WILL NOT START A NEW AGENDA TOPIC AFTER X TIME 8:00 PM. AND IF THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BLEED OVER TO THE NEXT TIME. AND OF COURSE, COUNCIL BY SUPERMAJORITY CAN OVERRIDE EVERY KIND OF RULE THAT'S IN PLACE. RIGHT? BUT I WONDER WHETHER A START TIME THAT'S KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE OF 3:00. AND LET'S JUST PUT IN PLACE THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'RE NOT GOING TO START NEW THINGS AFTER THE TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE FALLING ASLEEP BOTH UP HERE AND IN THE AUDIENCE, AND WE'LL JUST BLEED THEM OVER TO THE NEXT TIME AND TRY TO REALLY MANAGE OURSELVES. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, BUT I'M FINE WITH ANY OF THE TIMES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED. YES, I MEANT TO ASK FOR COUNCIL. WAS THAT A AMENDMENT TO THIS MOTION? OH SURE. UNLESS THERE'S SURE. LET'S THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT, RIGHT? YES. I WOULD MOVE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUS MOTION THAT WE START EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 3 P.M. AND THE PUBLIC CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT 4 P.M. GOING FORWARD. SECOND I SECOND THAT. 
          COUNCILOR. JUST ONE COMMENT. I DON'T I DON'T OPPOSE THAT, BY THE WAY, BUT JUST THAT IF WE ARE ALSO MOVING TO HAVING MOST OF OUR. OUR, OUR MEETINGS GOING TO BASICALLY ONE WITH THE OTHER ONE BEING MORE OF A WORKSHOP, THAT THAT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE OF A CHALLENGE GETTING WHAT WE'RE NOW DISCUSSING IN TWO MEETINGS, GETTING THAT KIND OF CRAMMED INTO TO, TO THE ONE. 
          SO BUT AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HAPPY FOR IT TO, TO WORK OUT. BUT WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THE IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEMS IF WE'RE TRYING TO, TO HAVE THOSE IN THAT ONE MEETING DURING THE MONTH. MY COMMENT TO THAT WAS THAT I THINK CHARLES MISSPOKE WHEN HE SAID ONE MEETING, AND HE REALLY MEANT ONE WORKSHOP MEETING AND THEN A SECOND MEETING. SO IT'S STILL EFFECTIVELY TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. IT'S NOT ELIMINATING ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          IT'S JUST CHANGING THE WAY THAT STAFF OPERATES CURRENTLY, IF THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S JUST THERE'S NO ACTION AT ALL. GENERALLY, THERE WILL BE NO ACTION ITEMS ON THE WORKSHOP, FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH. NOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOMETIMES THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD THAT. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT YOU GET IN THAT SECOND MEETING, WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT ONCE. 
          WE AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE IT WILL HAVE BEEN ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. SO THAT SHOULD IN THEORY GO QUICKER. AGAIN, SOME THINGS CAN GET ADDED ON THERE. IF I MIGHT MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS HERE. THIS IS THE ONLY CITY I KNOW THAT HAS TWO MEETINGS A MONTH THAT WE GO EIGHT HOURS. 
          MOST CITIES OUR SIZE HAS ONE MEETING A MONTH, THREE HOURS AVERAGE. EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A MEETING THAT WOULD GO BEYOND TIMES, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. LAGO VISTA IS UNIQUE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL. BUT YES. COUNCILMAN, COUNCILPERSON CHHABRIA IS CORRECT. I WASN'T SAYING ONE, JUST ONE MEETING. NO ONE WERE THE FIRST MEETING. BE THE WORKSHOP SO WE CAN GET ALL THE STUFF, GET ALL THE CONVERSATIONS AND ALL. SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT SECOND MEETING, STAFF'S GOT ALL THE 
          [03:05:04]
STUFF DONE. AND THE OTHER THING I THINK YOU'RE SEEING THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE STAFF, PROFESSIONAL STAFF, CAPABLE STAFF WORKING FOR THE CITY, I THINK YOU'RE SEEING MEETINGS GO A LOT FASTER NOW. SO AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT TO EVEN CONTINUE MORE NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE STAFF ON. SO CAN I ASK, SO CHARLES, YOU AND OTHER STAFF HERE CARE TO COMMENT? THE TIMING WE'RE PROPOSING NOW AND THE AMENDED MOTION 3 P.M. 4 P.M. 3 P.M. THAT MOVES STAFF TO LATER, RIGHT ON THOSE EVENINGS. SO 3 P.M. IS FINE WITH ME BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE TONIGHT. I TOLD THEM THAT I THOUGHT WE'D BE THREE BY SIX. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF HERE BY 630, I FEEL LIKE. BUT I THINK I'M AFRAID THAT WHAT WAS MAKING SOME OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS GO SO LONG IS WE WERE STARTING AT ONE. NOBODY FELT RUSHED. THEY JUST KIND OF WERE TAKING THEIR TIME. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE THINGS THAN JUST THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. WE WERE EXPANDING ON THEM A LOT MORE. AND AND I THINK IF WE ARE FOCUSED IN HERE TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, I THINK WE CAN GET THINGS DONE A LOT, A LOT MORE EFFICIENT. AND THE MAIN THING I LIKE IS GOING TO CUT BACK ON MY LEGAL BILL. OKAY. COUNCILMAN. SO LET'S JUST ASSUME FOR A SECOND THE PROBLEM'S FIXED, BUT WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT HOW LONG OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN. LET'S JUST FOCUS ON WHAT OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE. RIGHT. SO TYPICAL CITY 3 TO 4 HOURS OR THREE HOURS. WHICH ONE IS IT? THREE HOURS. THREE HOURS. AND WHAT TIME IS A REASONABLE TIME THAT THOSE CITIES WOULD TYPICALLY BE FINISHED BY? LIKE WHAT'S REASONABLE FOR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND STAFF TO BE OUT TILL. HONEY TO ME, TO ME, STARTING AT THREE AND HAVING THE MEETING START AT FOUR. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE OUT OF HERE BY 8:00, I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE. I THINK 8:00 IS REASONABLE TOO. SO THAT'S MY THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. IF IF IT'S A THREE HOUR MEETING, THEN WE SHOULD START AT FOUR WITH A FIVE HOUR START TIME HERE. IF IT'S A FOUR HOUR MEETING, WE START AT THREE WITH A FOUR HOUR START TIME IN HERE. SO I THINK GOING TILL EIGHT IS A VERY REASONABLE EXPECTATION. IT DOESN'T STAY DARK LIKE THIS ALL YEAR ROUND. I MEAN, THE OTHER HALF OF IT IS IT'S GOING TO BE DAYLIGHT TILL 930. SO FOR THOSE GRANDMAS OUT THERE THAT WANT TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LOOK AT TODAY ON A RAINY DAY AND SAY IT'S DARK OUT TODAY AND IT'S THAT WAY ALWAYS. ME PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE 3:00 START TIME BECAUSE THAT LETS STAFF HAVE A HALF A DAY TO WHERE WE CAN GET SOME OTHER STUFF DONE. THE STARTING AT 1:00, IT'S LIKE, OH, WE GOT TO RUSH TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THIS MORNING. I THINK 3:00 IS A IS A GOOD NUMBER. MAYOR TOM. 
          YEAH, I WAS GOING TO GO BACK. SO THE THE RESIDENTS AND GRANDMAS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THAT. ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN IS IN THE SUMMER COUNCIL. BUTTERFIELD I JUST WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD HAVE AT LEAST BECAUSE NOW WITH STANDARD TIME, YOU KNOW, IT GETS DARK ABOUT 5:00. SO WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING AT 4:00 OR 430 IF WE STARTED THREE, OR REALLY KIND OF 430 BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH THINGS AND THEN THEY CAN GET HOME PRETTY QUICKLY WITHOUT IT BEING DARK, YOU KNOW, YEAR ROUND. SO I JUST IF PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES ACCOMMODATED THE 3:00, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND TO THE SENIOR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO HAS A BENEFIT OF ALSO AIDING THE STAFF MEMBERS TO BE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. RIGHT LEANING, LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WHAT I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL ON IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY COUNCILOR VAN S AND WAS SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM, WAS ACCEPTED BY THE MOTION. IT WAS ACCEPTED. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE ON THE MOTION AS IT WAS AMENDED. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION THAT REPEAT? THAT IS A 3 P.M. 
          EXECUTIVE SESSION, 4 P.M. START TIME. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NAY. SO THAT'S 5 TO 2. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. WE WILL START EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 3 P.M. AND REGULAR SESSION AT 4 P.M. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS ON THAT ITEM? I THINK, MAYOR, IF I MIGHT MAKE A COMMENT, I MISSPOKE ABOUT CITY HALL BEING CLOSED NEXT WEEK. WE ARE CLOSED THURSDAY, FRIDAY, NOT WEDNESDAY. THURSDAY. STAFF WILL BE HERE. IT'LL BE A SKELETON CREW ON WEDNESDAY, BUT WE WILL HAVE STAFF HERE FROM 
          [03:10:01]
MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. THANK YOU. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC 
          [X.2. Discussion on Emergency task force preparedness.]
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WENT OUT. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. MOVING ON TO WORK. SESSION TWO WHICH SHOULD BE REALLY QUICK. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON THE EMERGENCY TASK FORCE. EMERGENCY TASK FORCE PREPAREDNESS. WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY TASK FORCE ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. THIS WAS MORE OF A I DISCUSSED THIS IN MY SPEECH LAST THURSDAY. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE FEEDBACK, OR IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS FROM YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. IT'S REALLY JUST TO PREPARE ME AND MY ROLE IN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. AT SOME POINT, I COULD SEE ME COMING BACK TO YOU ALL AND ASKING IF WE WANT TO MORE FORMALIZE THIS AS A SUBCOMMITTEE OR SOMETHING. THAT WAY THEY CAN HELP ME REVIEW MAYBE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, SOPS OR ANYTHING THAT CITY RELATED. BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS SIMPLY ADVISORY TO ME TO HELP ME GET UP AND GOING. AND I MAKING IT UP OF A NUMBER OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE BACKGROUND IN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, ETC. AND THOSE FOLKS WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WHEN THEY ARE ABLE TO BE. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD, MAKE SURE ANYBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT OPERATES, OR WANTED TO KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING WITH THAT. DO YOU COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE ON THAT IN THAT ADVISORY ROLE? I DO, BUT NOT ONE THAT I CAN RELEASE YET. A COUPLE OF THEM NEED TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THEIR WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE CERTIFIED FOLKS THAT WORK FOR OTHER ENTITIES. COUNCILOR HALL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BE ABLE AND PREPARED TO RESPOND MORE QUICKLY IN CASE OF A DISASTER, WITH A LESS CONFUSION AND LESS OVERLAP, IS GOING TO BE OF GREAT BENEFIT. AND SO I SUPPORT THAT. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD, MAYOR, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ESD DID A MAGNIFICENT JOB. HOWEVER, THERE WERE OTHER COMMUNICATIONS I THINK, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY HAD WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN THROUGH SCENARIOS AND PLANNING A LITTLE BIT. THE ONE ASK I WOULD HAVE IS THAT IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW VOLUNTEERS THAT WERE READY TO GO FROM HOUR ONE INTO HELPING AND IN SOME CASES ENDED UP HURTING. AND THE COMMUNICATION TO, LET'S SAY, LIKE NONPROFITS AND INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY MADE THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. WE DIDN'T HAVE PRIOR EDUCATION GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT KIND OF THING. SO JUST TO CONSIDER THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION PREPAREDNESS WOULD BE APPRECIATED. TO ADD ON TO THAT, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF MY IDEA IS THAT TO HELP ASSIST THE ESD, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY ARE DOING SEARCH AND RESCUE. THIS GOES ON. SO I WAS HOPING THAT THROUGH THIS TASK FORCE, WE CAN WORK ON SOME SORT OF WAY THAT I CAN MAYBE TAKE ON THE LOAD OF THE INTERACTION WITH THE CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS AND THEN KIND OF SEGUE INTO HOW WE WORK WITH ESD AND THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS TASK FORCE IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE INVOLVED IN THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THOSE CITIZEN LED EFFORTS TO. GOOD. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR DOING THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I RAN ON. I REALLY THINK WE'RE BEHIND THE CURVE IN DISASTER PREPAREDNESS, ESPECIALLY WILDFIRES. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED ANY ASSISTANCE ON THAT, I'M HAPPY TO HELP OUT. I THINK COORDINATING BETTER WITH THE ESD TABLETOPS, SCENARIO PLANNING, ETC. AS COUNCIL OR MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN SAID IS REALLY VITAL. AND GETTING THAT WORD OUT ON THE SCENARIO PLANNING TO OUR RESIDENTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER 4TH WILL ALSO BE A STRATEGIC PLANNING DAY, AND I ASSUME THAT THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PORTION OF THAT WE WILL GET MORE THOROUGH ON GOOD. ONE QUESTION. WOULD THIS ALSO INCLUDE CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS THAT MAYBE HAVE SPECIALTIES OR CERTIFICATIONS? WOULD YOU SAY LIKE I'LL CALL THEM LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD CHAMPIONS, THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN AS LONG AS THEY WERE WELL TRAINED AND QUALIFIED? YEAH. YEAH. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO ACTION NEEDED ON THAT. THIS IS 
          [XI. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]
A WORKSHOP. SO NOW I THINK THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE IS ITEM 11 STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. AND WE WILL START WITH ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF. AND I WILL KICK IT TO CHARLES. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ROUTINE REPORTS TODAY. WE ARE. BUSY WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING. THINGS ARE STARTING TO FALL INTO PLACE. I THINK Y'ALL WILL NOTICE THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING A FEW REPORTS OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT A LITTLE MORE REGULAR, AND I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO BECOME EVEN MORE REGULAR COMING UP, AND Y'ALL WILL START RECEIVING WEEKLY UPDATES FROM MYSELF AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, BASICALLY A A 
          [03:15:07]
LITTLE BIT DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE PROVIDING A MONTHLY REPORT WHICH ARE BEING POSTED ON THE WEBSITE NOW, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT CITY HALL, JUST TO KEEP YOU ALL IN THE LOOP. OKAY, NORMALLY WE JUST GO DOWN THE LINE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THREE OF OUR MEMBERS DON'T HAVE ASK A QUESTION AND THE CITY MANAGER, MR. WEST, I HAD SENT A NOTE TO YOU AND NICOLE ASKING WHEN THE FINAL TWO MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORTS FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE OUT, WHICH WOULD BE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. SO WE'VE GOT JUNE AND JULY RECENTLY SHOWED UP. I DON'T KNOW IF HERE SHE COMES. THERE'S MY QUESTION I WAS JUST ASKING IS, DO YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF WHEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUBLISH THE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER UNAUDITED MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORTS? SO I WANT TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE. I JUST EARLIER TODAY FINISHED BALANCING AUGUST. AND THEN I AM WORKING ON SEPTEMBER. I WILL BE WORKING ON SEPTEMBER THIS WEEKEND TO HOPEFULLY FINISH BY THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK, SO THAT OUR NEW AUDITORS CAN COME IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO MY HOPE IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING PUBLISHED BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A SHORTER WEEK NEXT WEEK. BUT WE'RE BALANCED THROUGH AUGUST. AS FAR AS BALANCING GOES, I JUST HAVEN'T DONE THE ACTUAL FINANCIALS TO POST BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING BALANCED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN I MET ROSE. YES, SHE THAT WAS NEW STAFF. THAT STATEMENT IS FINANCE IS FINALLY BACK TO FULL STAFF. SO SHE HAS ROOM TO BREATHE IN THE COFFEE BREAK ROOM AND SAID HI I'M ROSE, I'M NEW. AND GREAT PERSON. SO IS THAT IS YOUR OUTLOOK THAT THE MONTHLY REPORTS WILL BE A LITTLE CLOSER TO MONTH CLOSE AS WE GO INTO THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR? YEAH. SO IT'S BEEN DELAYED AGAIN BEING SHORT STAFFED. AND THEN WE HAD CATCHING UP THEN WE HAD BUDGET. YEAH. SO WITH HER THAT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OFF OF MY PLATE. 
          AND WE HAVE SUSAN. SO LUCKILY AND HOPEFULLY THE WORK CAN BE DIVIDED A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          SHE IS ALREADY EXPERIENCED SO SHE HAS CAUGHT ON VERY QUICKLY WHICH IS AMAZING. SO YES GOOD ANSWER. SHORT ANSWER. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THEN I WILL MOVE INTO COUNCIL COMMITTEE LIAISONS. I'LL ACTUALLY START DOWN THERE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE, CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE CONTINUES TO MEET. THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH NOW I WOULD SAY THE HARDEST SO THAT THEY SPENT TIME REVIEWING CHARTERS FROM SEVERAL CITIES AS REFERENCE AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL CITY LEAGUE, NCL, WHATEVER THAT ACRONYM STANDS FOR. AND NOW THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH OUR CHARTER TO TRY TO CONSOLIDATE THEIR THINKING. THEY'RE IN THE HARDEST PORTION OF OUR OUR CHARTER RIGHT NOW, ARTICLE THREE, BUT CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH IT AND AND CONTINUING TO DO A GOOD JOB ON THAT. AND THEN FOR MY OTHER, OTHER COMMITTEES, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT. YEAH. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, COUNCILOR PRINCE COVERED CRC. I WAS NOT THERE. THANK YOU AS ALWAYS. SO TO THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS IS WHERE I KIND OF GET INTO THE UNOFFICIAL ONE. SO SOME OF MINE THAT I THINK ARE WORTH LIKE THE GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS I DO, I DO WATER ISSUES. MY UPDATE ON THERE IS WE HAD THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD COME HERE ON MONDAY AND TAKE A TOUR OF OUR FACILITIES. AND THE MEETING I THOUGHT WAS EXTREMELY USEFUL. THEY DO NOT DO THAT IN EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY. NOT ALL COMMUNITIES ASK. AND I WAS VERY HAPPY BECAUSE I THINK WHEN THEY CAME, THEY CAME PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT OUR DRINKING WATER APPLICATION, WHICH WAS OUR FIRST YEAR APPLYING TO THAT. WE SCORED TERRIBLY. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO WORK ON THERE, BUT THE ONE WE WERE REALLY MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE CLEAN WATER ONE, WHICH WE SCORED PRETTY HIGHLY. WE HAD A SCORE OF 84 AND 86. I THINK WE WERE RANKED 22ND OR 23RD. WE'RE REALLY CLOSE AND THAT WAS A VERY FRUITFUL CONVERSATION. AND COUNCILOR OWEN WAS THERE WITH ME, AS WELL AS CHARLES AND STAFF, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY POINTS THAT WE LEFT ON THE TABLE THAT ARE EASY TO GET. I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST SIMPLE REPORTS ON THINGS THAT I THINK WE ALREADY DO. AND AND THEY TOLD US, I MEAN, 80S AND 90S IS THE SCORES THEY GET FUNDED. SO WE'RE ALREADY IN THE MID 80S. WE KNOW THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THAT WE CAN SIMPLY CLEAN UP THAT PUTS US REALLY CLOSE TO 90, WHICH MAKES US FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE COULD BE ON THAT APPLICATION NEXT YEAR. AND I DID THINK THAT THEY STILL LEFT THE DOOR SOMEWHAT OPEN, THAT IT'S POSSIBLE IF SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS AHEAD OF US DO NOT GO FORWARD, SOME OF THESE CITIES, THAT WE ARE STILL POTENTIALLY ON THAT LIST FOR THEM TO COME TO NEXT. I'M NOT HOLDING OUT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKELY, BUT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF THAT. AND THEN WE TOURED THE PLANTS AND THEY GOT TO SEE THINGS UP CLOSE AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING THEM OVER TO A WATER TREATMENT PLANT, ONE WHICH IS OUR OLDEST, IT'S NOT VERY PRETTY. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO STICK IN THEIR MEMORY OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING 
          [03:20:04]
WITH. AND THIS IS WHY WE THEN TOOK THEM OVER TO WATER TREATMENT PLANT THREE AND SEE THE NEWER ONE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND. AND I THINK THAT THAT JUST LEAVES A GOOD IMPRESSION. SO I FELT GREAT ABOUT THE MEETING. I REMEMBER ASKING THEM WHEN THEY WALKED AROUND, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY COME AND LOOKED AT A PLANT? AND SOME OF THEM SAID YEARS. SO I THINK WE'RE ON A SHORT LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE IN THEIR MIND WHEN THEY LOOK THROUGH THAT. AND THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP BUILDING IS SUPER HELPFUL. ANOTHER MEETING I HAD WAS WITH CAPMETRO. THIS WAS TO CONTINUE THE EFFORTS OF MAYOR SULLIVAN. I JUST WANT TO KEEP THINGS GOING. THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO ADD MORE SERVICE TO THE REST OF THE CITY, AND THEN HOW DO WE ADDRESS SPECIAL EVENTS, YOU KNOW, BALLOONS AND BALLOONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY STILL FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COVER ALL THOSE THINGS. AND SO THAT WAS A GOOD MEETING AS WELL. AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT I DID AS WELL IS I'VE REACHED OUT TO TRAVIS COUNTY AND PACE BEND PARK. I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT FROM DARK SKY COMMUNITIES. IT'S PRETTY HARD FOR US TO BE A DARK SKY COMMUNITY WHEN JUST TO THE WEST OF US, THEY ARE BLASTING LIGHTS OVER THERE. THERE IS A YOUTH CAMP AT THE NORTH OF IT THAT IS NOT PART OF THE THE COUNTY THAT I'VE HEARD MANY FOR YEARS COMPLAINTS. THE LIGHTS ARE BRIGHT, THEY FLY OUT EVERYWHERE. SO I REACHED OUT TO THEM AS WELL. AND I'VE ASKED COMMISSIONER SHEA AND TRAVIS COUNTY IF THEY CAN KIND OF HELP US IN THAT RELATIONSHIP. JUST WANT TO GIVE FOLKS AN UPDATE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I AM WORKING ON AS WELL. AND FOR THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS SIDE OF THINGS, I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CHARLES IN THE COMING WEEKS AND EACH STATE AGENCY THAT IT MAKES SENSE. I JUST WANT TO REINTRODUCE MYSELF TO THEM AS THE MAYOR NOW AND CONTINUE THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION. TEETON WAS ANOTHER GOOD ONE. I'M LOOKING TO DO ALL MY DISASTER PREPAREDNESS TRAINING AS MAYOR, AND THEY GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME ACTUALLY TO LAGO VISTA. WE WILL HOST ONE OF THESE TRAININGS. AND SO CHARLES AND I ARE WORKING ON JUST FINDING THE CORRECT LOCATION, BUT THAT COULD BE IN THE SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY EXCITING TO HAVE THEM OUT HERE FOR THAT. AND THAT'S IT FROM MY UNOFFICIAL THINGS. 
          AND I WILL GO TO MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN, THANK YOU. SO THE ONLY ONE I REALLY HAVE IS ON THE GRANT. WRITER IS COLLECTING DATA AND MATERIALS TO APPLY FOR TWO MORE UPCOMING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. SHE ALREADY HAD ONE IN, AND SO SHE'S ROCKING AND ROLLING. AND THIS IS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY ACTUALLY EXPLORE PLANNING EFFORTS FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER. RIGHT. OR SPACE LIKE THAT. YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. SO GOT TO START WITH PLANNING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY LEGAL. THE CREATION DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE OFFICE FOR APPROVAL AND CREATION. SO THAT IS GETTING VERY, VERY CLOSE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. ASIDE FROM THAT, I'M ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF A FAMILY EMERGENCY. I DIDN'T ATTEND THE LVP MEETING, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK COUNCILOR VANESS IF SHE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR WANTED TO REPORT ANYTHING ON THE PO. WELL, IT'S MY LAST PO BOARD MEETING OTHER THAN THE ANNUAL MEMBERS MEETING. SO AFTER SEVEN YEARS, I THINK THE ONLY THING TO ALERT YOU ALL TO IS THERE'S BEEN A BILL. I'M GOING TO GET HIS NAME WRONG. BILL MCCORD, I THINK HE HAS HAD ISSUES WITH ADJACENT DWELLING, AND IT WAS BEING BUILT WITHOUT PROPER PERMITTING. AND THERE'S NOW A CEASE AND DESIST ON THE CONSTRUCTION. BUT IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR HIM, AND HE'S AFTER BOTH THE CITY AND THE PO, SAYING WE'RE BOTH CULPABLE IN TERMS OF NOT ENFORCING DEED RESTRICTIONS OR NOT, YOU KNOW, DOING PROPER CODE ENFORCEMENT OR MAKING SURE THINGS ARE PERMITTED PROPERLY. SO I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HE HAS WITH THAT. SO JUST BE ON THE ALERT FOR THAT. AND I THINK ED CAN PROBABLY UPDATE YOU MORE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSION WITH HIM LAST NIGHT DURING OUR MEETING. SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO I JUST LEARNED TO THAT THE LIFE VEST DONOR PROJECT IS GOING FORWARD AND A LOCATION WAS PICKED. YES. AND SO I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THAT'S CONTINUING ON. SO THANK YOU ALL. YES. YEAH. THAT SHOULD BE BUILT FAIRLY QUICKLY TOO. SO WE HOPE TO HAVE IT IN. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY PEAK PEAK PEAK SEASON STARTS MORE MARCH TIME FRAME. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE STATION BUILT. WE HAVE THE LIFE JACKETS ALREADY THERE SITTING IN THE PO OFFICE. SO WE'RE READY TO PUT THEM OUT. AS SOON AS THAT THING GETS BUILT, WE'LL PROBABLY DO MAYBE A SMALL LITTLE, NOT A BIG CHAMBER RIBBON CUTTING, BUT SOME SMALL LITTLE EVENT ACKNOWLEDGING IT TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE THAT IT'S THERE AND THE VESTS ARE AVAILABLE AT CODY PARK. YEP. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF AS YOU COME INTO CODY, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE IN THE DIRECTION NEAR THE PAVILION, BUT IN THE DIRECTION YOU HAD TO GET DOWN TO THE BEACH. SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO COME GRAB THE LIFE JACKETS WHEN THEY'RE HEADING DOWN, AND 
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THEN DROP THEM OFF AGAIN WHEN THEY'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR DAY AT THE PARK. SO YEAH, THANKS FOR MENTIONING THAT, COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT REPORT AT THE MEET THE CANDIDATES FOR THE PO. WHAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL'S NAME THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT LEAD RIGHTS? I'M MESSING UP HIS NAME, SO I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH CRYSTAL OR ED TO. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I LISTENED TO WHAT HE SAID, AND I WENT HOME, AND I. I KNOW CHAT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT I DROPPED ALL OF MY PO DOCUMENTS IN THE CHAT, AND. I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT MAYBE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ROLE THE PO AND THE CITY HAVE. BASED ON MY RESEARCH, THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE VARIANCES AND SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS TAKEN OVER OR NOT COUNCIL NECESSARILY, BUT VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERED OVER THE YEARS WITHOUT PO APPROVALS AND. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TOPIC OF CONSIDERATION FOR A FUTURE MEETING. YES. AGREED. 
          I'LL HAVE TO SPEAK HIGH LEVEL. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY REVIEWED THIS WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE PREDATE PROBABLY MOST OF US LIVING HERE IN LARGO. 
          RIGHT. THIS WAS LIKE EARLY 1980S, MID 1980S DECISIONING FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON A LOT OF THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND DETERMINATION ON VARIANCES. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM OUR ATTORNEY THAT THE CITY TRIED TO MIRROR WHAT WAS IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR PO PROPERTIES FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES OR SUBDIVISIONS, IF YOU WILL, WITHIN THE PO. BUT VERY EARLY ON THE CITY TOOK THAT OVER. SO THE PO TRADITIONALLY HAS NOT DONE ANY OF THAT KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT IS STILL IN THE CCRS, IT'S IN THE DEEDS, SO IT'S WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. I WOULDN'T SAY THE PO IS REALLY THE ENTITY TO TAKE ANY OF THAT BACK ON AGAIN. WE'VE NEVER FUNCTIONED THAT WAY, SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY TO DO IT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS FROM THE ATTORNEY THAT THERE WAS AN EFFORT MADE TO MATCH SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS, LIKE AROUND MINIMUM SIZE AND THREE THREE SIDES OF THE HOUSE HAVE TO BE COVERED IN STONE AND HEIGHT VARIANCES. YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN AREAS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SINGLE STORY, NOT TWO STORY. AND I THINK IN MORE RECENT YEARS, THE CITY HAS GONE AND APPROVED A NUMBER OF VARIANCES AROUND THAT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CREATED SOME ISSUES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING THIS INDIVIDUAL. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. MAYBE NOT. 
          WELL, YEAH. TO GET TOGETHER PO IN THE CITY AND PROBABLY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND CITY LEGAL COUNSEL TO, TO TO DO A LITTLE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THAT. BUT YEAH, I WILL NOTE THE CITY CANNOT ENFORCE CC OR DEED RESTRICTIONS OF ANY TYPE. WE CANNOT. CORRECT. CORRECT. WE DO. 
          WE WILL BE IN TROUBLE AS A CIVIL MATTER. PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. NO RIGHT I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A DEED, A DEED RESTRICTION FOR THE PO OR IF THEY HAVE IN THEIR IN THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE PO SAYING THAT A HOUSE CAN ONLY BE A SINGLE STORY, AND THEN THE CITY OFFERS A VARIANCE SAYING IT CAN BE A TWO STORY. NOW THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE. 
          THE CITY OFFERED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO SUE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THAT'S THAT'S I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING WE INTERVENE. WHAT I WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THIS COHESIVE RELATIONSHIP? I GUESS I'M NOT. I DON'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY. LIKE WHOLE CITY PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION. ALL THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH ARE LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO BUT MY EXPERIENCE FROM MY PREVIOUS CITY WHEN I DID LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT DEED RESTRICTIONS OR DEED RESTRICTIONS AMONGST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND VARIANCES, THEY CAME UP AND ASKED US FOR VARIANCE. WE ADDRESSED IT FROM A CITY STANDPOINT OF WE CAN WE WILL GRANT IT OR WE WON'T. YEAH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS DEALT WITH EACH OTHER AS FAR AS OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, WE DID NOT GET INVOLVED. YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF THIS CAN BE CLEARED UP. 
          SORRY IF THAT'S OKAY. ANYBODY IS AS WE GO THROUGH OUR CODE DIAGNOSTIC AND START REWRITING SOME CODES, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR A LOT OF THIS UP AND CLEAN IT UP. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING SECTION 209. IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS WITHIN I THINK FOUR YEARS, IT'S LONGER THAN FOUR YEARS, THEN YOU'VE LOST THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THEM. AND SO IT'S LIKE IS THAT ON A PER CASE BASIS, LIKE SOMEONE BUYS A PO LOT, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT IT FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS AGO OR LONGER. WE HAVE WE'VE ABROGATED THAT RIGHT TO ENFORCE. BUT IF SOMEONE BOUGHT IT TWO YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE BUILDING NOW, WE CAN ENFORCE. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND THAT BECAUSE WE JUST HAVEN'T PURSUED IT AT ALL. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY BEEN A CITY FUNCTION TO LOOK AT THAT. SO WE MAY WRAP THAT UP. MAYOR, 
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I THINK WE'RE OFF THE AGENDA. YEAH WE ARE I THINK WE YES. SORRY. COUNCIL. DID YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM YOUR COMMITTEE? I'VE GOT ONE MINUTE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN END IN TIME. MET WITH COVID. THEY HAD A FANTASTIC MEETING. THEY HAD 314 VOLUNTEER HOURS LAST MONTH AND COLLECTED 57 BAGS OF LITTER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAD A LARGE TRASH PICKUP. AND IN THAT TRASH PICKUP, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAD ABOUT 70 VOLUNTEERS, 20 FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. THEY PICKED UP AN ADDITIONAL 66 BAGS, LARGE BAGS OF TRASH AND 30 SMALLER BAGS. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAD TIRES, SCOOTERS. THE LIONS PICKED UP AN ADDITIONAL 14 BAGS DURING THAT ACTIVITY AT THE SAME AT THE SAME MEETING. AND MAYOR, YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THE THE DONATION THAT WE RECEIVED. OH YES. YOU WANT TO COME TO THE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS MARY FEAR. I'M A RESIDENT HERE AND I AM A TREASURER OF KLB. AND WE DID RECEIVE A $1,000 DONATION FROM MRS. GEORGE EADS FOR IN IN HIS MEMORY. APPARENTLY, HE PASSED LAST SUMMER, AND THAT WAS UNEXPECTED AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. YEAH, VERY GENEROUS DONATION, VERY GENEROUS. SO AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE LAST THING AND I REACHED OUT TO MR. WEST AS A COMMITMENT TO THE CLUB, WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE AIR FORCE MUSEUM ON GETTING THE AIRPLANE AT THE AIRPORT PAINTED. 
          AND THE ADVICE IS, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A THUMBS UP FROM SOMEBODY. AND MR. TIDWELL WAS AT THAT MEETING AND HE SAID, YEAH, THIS IS THE PLACE TO GO TO. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO HOW TO GET THAT APPROVAL. OKAY. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, MY DESK IS CLEAR. IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, THEN ONE LAST COMMENT. THANKS TO OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, THE BLEACHERS AT SUNSET PARK HAVE SHADE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DAVID. AND IT HALF THE ESTIMATED COST. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. YAY! WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THE LAKE VISTA CITY COUNCIL AT
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