[IX.4. Discussion and possible action on a proposal from Hines (Tessera) to trade approximately 2 acres of land from Lot 1 Block A Teserra on Lake Travis to the City of Lago Vista in exchnge for .53 acres of land from the City of Lago Vista located on FM 1431 and part of 323.39 acres legal description ABS 2541 SUR 97 FAUBION F F ABS 2291 SUR 201 T & M C R R CO ACR 313.860 & ABS 286 SUR 152 FEHRANKAMP C D ACR 9.5302 (PT OF TRT B8.1) (TOTAL 323.3902AC)]

NUMBER NINE. AND I'M GOING TO START WITH. THE ONE I WANT TO DO. YEAH WELL THEY WEREN'T HERE BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT ANYWAYS. ITEM NUMBER 9.4 DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSAL FROM HINES TO SARAH TO TRADE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF LAND FROM LOT ONE BLOCK A TO SARAH ON LAKE TRAVIS TO THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA IN EXCHANGE FOR 0.53 ACRES OF LAND FROM THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, LOCATED ON FM 1431 AND PART OF 32 3.39 ACRES. LEGAL DESCRIPTION ABS 2541 SIR 97 FABIAN F ABS 2291 SIR 201T AND MC CO ECR 313 .860 AND 8286 SIR

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152 FOR FAHRENKAMP A CD ACRE 9.5302. POINT OF TR B 8.1. TOTAL 323.3902 ACRES. AND I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE CHARLES. ACTUALLY I'M ON DEFER TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THAN I HAVE. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE FOLLOWING ITEM BEFORE YOU, WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE HINES GROUP ON BEHALF OF TESSERA, ALONG WITH THEIR ENGINEERING FIRM. THERE THEY HAVE THE COMMERCIAL TRACTS ON THE FRONT OF THEIR SUBDIVISION.

THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THEM GETTING A DRIVEWAY OFF OF 1431 JUST DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS.

THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS A BIG PART OF THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO A LEFT TURN WHICH CAUSES SOME CONFLICTS WITH THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE THEY HAVE. SO THEY APPROACHED US AND ASKED FOR A LAND SWAP. SO WE GIVE THEM SOME OF THE FRONTAGE SO THAT THEY CAN PUSH THEIR DRIVEWAY BACK FOR TEXDOT CRITERIA, IN EXCHANGE FOR TWO ACRES THAT WE CAN ADD TO CEDAR BREAKS PARK.

IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION INTO THAT PROPERTY, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE LAND THAT THEY ARE DEDICATING TO THE CITY, IT HAS TO BE FOR IRRIGATION. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT IT DOES ADD 4.1 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR FROM OUR DISCHARGE CAPACITY, SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL TEXDOT APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT A SET OF PLANS. THEY CAN'T DESIGN PLANS WITHOUT THE LAND, AND SO THERE'S NO CONFIRMATION ON THAT FRONT. BUT ANYTHING ELSE? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT, MR. PRINCE, IS THIS THE TWO ACRES THAT THEY WOULD BE SWAPPING? IS THAT CONTIGUOUS WITH LAND THAT WE'RE ALREADY IRRIGATING? YES. SO IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO CITY LAND? I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE PIPES IN THE GROUND RIGHT THERE. THIS SWAP ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WOULD HAVE TO AT SOME POINT BUY THE PIPE AND HAVE IT INSTALLED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE.

SURE, BUT IT'S THE LAND BASICALLY, AND THAT'S IT. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. YES. FIRST I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHARI. SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF GETTING INFORMATION ONTO THE COMMUNITY BOARD. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SPECIFICALLY, THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS LAND FOR A SECOND EGRESS. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE RATHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW? YES. SO THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING MID-BLOCK CROSSING OFF THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN TURN AROUND. THE OTHER OPTION IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MID-BLOCK CROSSING WITHIN THE MEDIAN. THAT'S NOT TO SAY. IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THEIR PREFERENCE, BUT IT THERE IS ONE EXISTING AND THERE'S ONE THAT CAN BE BUILT. WE ROUGHLY CHECK THE SPACING AND IT APPEARS TO BE FEASIBLE. MR. BENFIELD, THANK YOU SIR. JUST TAKING COUNCILOR PRINCE'S QUESTION, I THINK A STEP FURTHER IS, UNDERSTANDABLY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO IRRIGATE THESE ADDITIONAL TWO ACRES IS NOT PART OF THE TRADE. I THINK THE QUESTION, PERHAPS, IS HOW CLOSE IS THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IRRIGATING AT CEDAR BREAKS TO THESE TWO ACRES? I'M GOING TO PASS THAT TO PUBLIC WORKS. THEY PROBABLY HAVE A MUCH BETTER ANSWER THAN I DO. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. EVERYBODY ELSE. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DISTANCE, BUT IT'S QUITE A QUITE A BIT A WAYS AWAY FROM. AND LAST QUESTION, HOW HOW I KNOW THE ANSWER WAS 4 MILLION GALLONS. BUT IN THE TOTALITY THAT'S FOUR DAYS WORTH OF AFFLUENT WATER, RIGHT? 4 MILLION GALLON, 4.9 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR FOR A DAY, A DAY A YEAR, I UNDERSTAND, BUT 4 MILLION GALLONS OVER A YEAR IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR DAYS WORTH OF EFFLUENT WATER, BECAUSE WE DO ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS OF EFFLUENT WATER AT PEAK JUST ABOUT. YEAH, YEAH. SO IN YOUR OPINION, HOW ESSENTIAL TO THE CITY IS THESE TWO ACRES? THEY'RE ESSENTIAL. BUT THE COST TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN I REALLY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER FOR THAT. SO. BUT WE DO NEED THE LAND WHEN WE WHEN WE CONSIDER EXPANDING CEDAR BREAKS IRRIGATION OR THE POND, THE VERY BENEFICIAL. THANK YOU SIR. I HAVE MR. HALL, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO AND I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE DRAWING THAT WE RECEIVED WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSES ARE IN RELATION TO THAT AND WHERE THE, THE THAT THAT CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD BE LOCATED. AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO IMAGINE THE EFFLUENT BEING SPRAYED OUT

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THERE IN THAT AREA AND TO WHAT EXTENT THAT IS REALLY USABLE FOR THAT PURPOSE WITH, WITH POTENTIAL PROXIMITY, PROXIMITY OF THOSE THINGS. SO THE START OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO SWAP IS THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSES, AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE FUEL SERVICE STORE. THERE IS ON SITE BUFFERS AS FAR AS WHERE THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT. I DON'T HAVE EXACT CALCULATIONS. THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED ON THE EXHIBIT. JUST BECAUSE IT'S A ROUGH EXHIBIT. IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTION PLANS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR FULL BUFFER IS ON THE RESIDENCE SIDE. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO ADD SOME MORE INTO THE PROPERTY. ON THE FUEL SERVICE SIDE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WILL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PARKING LOT AND LANDSCAPING AND NOT NOT RESIDENTS OR, YOU KNOW, A PARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I FOLLOW UP QUESTION. YEAH, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY GOING TO BE VERY USABLE. I MEAN, IT'S THE SHAPE OF IT. AND BY THE TIME YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SETBACK AND WITHOUT THAT BEING DESIGNED AND WITHOUT THE COST OF THAT BEING ASCERTAINED, IT'S KIND OF QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IN FACT, IF AND WHEN WE WILL EVER MOVE FORWARD TO DO THAT. I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE'S A TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 272, AND ANY CONVEYANCE OF LAND LIKE THIS HAS TO BE SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. THE CITY HAS TO RECEIVE FAIR MARKET VALUE, VALUE FOR THAT. AND THE PROCESS, OF COURSE, HAS TO BE TRANSPARENT. IT IT AND THE GIFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS DOCTRINE. IT MUNICIPAL ACTIONS CANNOT PRIMARILY BENEFIT PRIVATE INTERESTS FAIL TO SECURE EQUAL VALUE IN RETURN, AND LACK OF A LEGITIMATE, LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS IN TERMS OF WHETHER THAT TWO ACRES ACTUALLY IS USABLE, WHETHER WE WILL USE IT, WHETHER THE COST OF USING IT WILL EXCEED THE VALUE OF, OF TRYING TO USE IT. AND, AND THAT WE'RE REALLY DOING SOMETHING WHICH WOULD BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER BUT NOT PROVIDE EQUAL OR GREATER BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND SO, SO THAT THAT'S MY PRIMARY REASON FOR, FOR QUESTIONING THIS. AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEN IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM AGAIN FROM THE DRAWING WHERE THE ACCELERATION LANE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD BE, AND SAFETY CONCERNS, BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY DANGEROUS CURVE AREA.

AND THE FURTHER DOWN THAT YOU PLACE THAT DRIVEWAY, THE MORE THE CLOSER IT IS TO THAT CURVE.

AND SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BEGIN WITH, WHETHER TXDOT WILL APPROVE IT. AND I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING THIS TRADE. SO ON THE TXDOT FRONT, THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT. THEY CANNOT ISSUE APPROVAL WITHOUT A PLAN SET.

BUT ESSENTIALLY OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO FINDING A SOLUTION WITH THE CONSTRAINTS THAT HAVE PRESENTED TO THEM. THEY'LL NEVER ISSUE A FORMAL YES UNTIL THEY RECEIVE PLANS. BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN CORRESPONDENCE THAT SAYS WE'RE WILLING TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WITHIN REGULATIONS AND IS NOT AN ISSUE.

SO, JORDAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH HINES OR NOT REGARDING THIS, BUT IF WE HAD DID NOT CONVEY THIS .54 ACRES TO THEM, WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE WOULD THEY HAVE IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT TXDOT FOR A ACTUAL STUDY? OR ARE THEY JUST THIS ORIGINALLY? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PDP, IT JUST WAS NOT SET OUT TO BE A GAS STATION.

BUT NOW SNACK STOP HAS HAS WRITTEN A LETTER OF INTENT. AND SO THIS IS WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. MY QUESTION IS, IS IF WE'RE IF THEY'RE JUST GUESSING THAT THEY NEED THIS EXTRA .54 BECAUSE TXDOT RECOMMENDS IT, WHY CAN'T THEY CHANGE THE ENTRANCE AND MAYBE DO A SETBACK IF THEY IF HINES DOES OWN THIS PROPERTY BEHIND IT, THEY COULD SET THIS PROPERTY BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO ALLOW THEM A SAFER ENTRANCE RATHER THAN US CONVEYING PROPERTY TO THEM, WHICH IS PRIME REAL ESTATE FOR THE CITY. I JUST DO NOT SEE THE BENEFIT AT ALL. SO HINES IS ON

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THE CALL IF ANY QUESTIONS WILL BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THEM. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY PLANS TO RECONFIGURE THE SITE. THIS, I BELIEVE, IS THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT AT A RESOLUTION. I THEY'RE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS CITY STAFF. THERE IS ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL WHICH DIRECTION WE GO. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION IN REGARDS TO IF THIS WAS TO GO FORWARD, I WENT OUT THERE WITH A WITH A STONE TRIMBLE MYSELF AND WALKED IT WITH A MEASURING WHEEL AND TOOK MY GPS OUT THERE. AND I LOOKED AT THESE TWO ACRES AND COMPARED THEM TO HOW FAR CEDAR BREAKS IS OUT. I'M I'M WITH ARNESTO. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, AND IT ACTUALLY MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO RUN THE LINES OUT HERE AND THEN TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT SPRAYING INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. THIS IS A TWO ACRE LOT, BUT IT IS AN EXTREMELY NARROW TWO ACRES WITH IRRIGATION. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT ACCIDENTAL EXACTLY THE OVERSPRAY. AND WHO WANTS OVERSPRAY IN THEIR BACKYARD? I KNOW, I SURE DON'T AND I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS HERE DON'T AS WELL. MY MY OTHER CONCERN IS, IS IF WE DO NEED THOSE TWO ACRES, WHICH I KNOW WE NEED ACTUALLY MORE THAN TWO ACRES FOR AFFLUENT. IS THIS IS THIS THE PRIME LOCATION THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT? IS THIS A REALLY THE REALISTIC LOCATION? THERE IS SO MUCH OTHER PROPERTY IN TO SARAH THAT THAT COULD EASILY BE WORKED AROUND, AND IT DIDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE THESE TWO. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

DID YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HINES? I DO, YEAH I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SORRY. ARE THEY ON THE CALL? DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM HINES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? AND IF YOU DO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON, PLEASE. I'M NOT SEEING OR HEARING THEM, SO. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER ANY MORE OF THAT OR WE CAN MOVE TO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER POINTS BEFORE I. YEAH, I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO SO MR. BENEFIELD EXPANDED ON MY MY QUESTION. LET ME EXPAND ON HIS EXPANSION. SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA OR A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY OR NOT YET. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW. THE REASON I ASKED SPECIFICALLY IS THIS CONTIGUOUS WITH LAND THAT WE COULD ALSO IRRIGATE, RATHER THAN IS THIS CONTIGUOUS LAND WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IRRIGATING NOW IS THAT I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO USE ALL OF THE LAND THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, AND WE'RE STILL SHORT, RIGHT? AND SO WHILE WE MAY NOT HAVE PIPES UP IN THIS AREA OF CEDAR BREAKS TODAY, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, PRESUMABLY WE WILL. AND IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TWO ACRES WHEN WE'RE USING THE LAND RIGHT BESIDE IT, WILL BE A RELATIVELY LOW EXPENSE TO RUN THE PIPES OVER THERE. ONCE WE'RE IRRIGATING THE LAND RIGHT BESIDE IT. RIGHT. AND THEN SECONDLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PERMIT, THE DENSITY OF EFFLUENT THAT WE CAN PUT ON CEDAR BREAKS IS WAY ABOVE MUCH HIGHER DENSITY DISTRIBUTION THAN OTHER AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOLF COURSE. AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S LIKE A RATIO OF 4 TO 1. SO IN SOME WAYS YOU COULD THINK OF THIS AS, AS THE EQUIVALENT OF EIGHT ACRES SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY DISTRIBUTING EFFLUENT AS OPPOSED TO JUST TWO ACRES HERE. SO CEDAR BREAKS IS PRIME REAL ESTATE FOR EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION. AGAIN, WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD DECISION OR NOT, I'M STILL TRYING TO DECIDE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M I'M INTERESTED IN IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I GET THE FACT THAT THAT THIS IS BACKING ON AT THE BOTTOM TO SOME, SOME LOTS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO ACRES AT THE TOP AND THEIR PLANS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHY COULDN'T IT BE THREE ACRES OR THREE AND A HALF ACRES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP, IF, IN FACT, THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO GO? I DO, I DO WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SENT TO US, IT LOOKS LIKE THE LAND FALLS OFF PRETTY DRAMATICALLY BEHIND THEIR SITE PLAN. SO I THINK THEM MOVING FURTHER AWAY FROM 1431 IS PROBABLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THEM. BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER SOLUTIONS, LIKE AN ADDITIONAL TURNAROUND ON TO SARAH PARKWAY RATHER THAN THIS.

SO SO AGAIN, I WHILE I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING A FEW ACRES, YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH. WE'LL STILL HAVE TO FIND MORE LAND ELSEWHERE. I DO HAVE ONE CLOSING QUESTION. THIS IS FOR ERNESTO. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED AT SOME POINT PROBABLY TO PUT IN ANOTHER STORAGE POND. AND IN MY MIND, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HOW BIG STORAGE PONDS ARE IN ACRES. SO ROUGHLY OUR OUR. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT HOW MANY ACRES THE EXISTING STORAGE

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POND IN CEDAR BREAKS IS IS IT LIKE A COUPLE OF ACRES OR IS IT 20 ACRES? I REALLY HAVE NO CONCEPT. I REALLY DON'T KNOW EITHER. OKAY. TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER POND SOMEWHERE IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS BROUGHT TO US SO FAR, IS IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IN CEDAR BREAKS. AND I ALREADY SAID THAT'S PRIME DISTRIBUTION LAND. IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE TO OFFSET THE NEED FOR A FUTURE STORAGE POND, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. BUT IT TWO TWO ACRES OR THREE ACRES IS IS ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF STORAGE POND. AND MAYBE THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL, BUT IF THAT'S FAR LESS THAN A STORAGE POND WOULD BE THAN NOT SO MUCH. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE INFORMATION, SO I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE CITIZEN COMMENTS HEARING NONE. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR IT. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON IT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. HEARING NONE AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSSION AND REMIND COUNCIL.

IT IS LISTED AS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO, MAYOR. MY OPINION WE REALLY LACK A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. AT LEAST I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. I REALLY WAS JUST WANTED TO OPEN TO COUNCIL ABOUT POTENTIALLY TABLING THIS OR PUTTING IT OFF, BEING THAT THIS IS UNDER A WORK SESSION ITEM, THAT WE THEN BRING IT BACK IN JANUARY WITH FURTHER INFORMATION, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED.

I MEAN, PART OF THAT WAS ERNESTO AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR NEEDS REGARDING THE AFFLUENT AT CEDAR BREAKS, SOME OF THAT IS THAT I HOPE THAT HINES LISTENS TO WHAT WE'VE CONVEYED HERE TODAY AND CAN THEN MAYBE, PERHAPS ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T. IF IF WE ARE OPEN TO HEARING A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION OUT THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL JANUARY. I'LL SECOND THAT, MR. HALL. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO COME BACK IN JANUARY AS A WORK SESSION ITEM. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? NOT ON THE MOTION, BUT I STILL HAD DISCUSSION. I HADN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO.

WE CAN WE CAN DO THE DISCUSSION. WE CAN DO THE TABLE. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY. APOLOGIZE.

MR. BENNEFIELD, I'M HEARING NO OTHER OBJECTIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY, MR. NAY. THE MOTION PASSES 6 TO 1. I WILL NOW MOVE ON TO 9.5. DISCUSSION,

[IX.5. Discussion, consideration, and possible action regarding Ordinance No. 25-12-04- 01; an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Lago Vista, Texas Pursuant to the Texas Local Government Code Chapter 102, Sections 102.007(b) and 102.010, Providing for Amendments to Ordinance No. 24-09-19-01, Municipal Budget for the Fiscal Year Beginning October 1, 2024 and Ending September 30, 2025; Providing for Severability, and Effective Date.]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2512 0401. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 102, SECTION 102.0 07B AND 102.010, PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 2409. DASH 1901 MUNICIPAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND I WILL HAND IT TO CHARLES. ACTUALLY, NICOLE IS ONLINE, SO I'LL LET HER SPEAK. NICOLE, DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA AVAILABLE SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS HERE? YOU GO FROM HER CONFIDENCE. YOU NEED TO UNMUTE. THERE WE GO. YES. SORRY, I AM IN A HOTEL ROOM IN SAN ANTONIO. THESE ITEMS THAT WE BRING FORWARD TO Y'ALL ARE ITEMS FROM THE BUDGET ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH. THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED. IF YOU LOOK AT ATTACHMENT A THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE ONE, TWO, THREE. THERE ARE SIX ITEMS LISTED. THESE. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR FOR. THE CITY TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT WHERE WE STAND AND HOW THE CITY IS LOOKING TO FINALIZE THE YEAR. I WOULD SAY, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THESE ARE VERY MINIMAL. THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED HERE THAT WE NEED BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR ARE ITEMS THAT WERE UNFORESEEN. HOWEVER, THEY WERE ITEMS THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS MADE AWARE OF IN MOST OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEY WERE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. IN MOST OF THESE SITUATIONS. IN THE EXHIBIT, THERE ARE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET BUDGETED AMOUNTS, THE

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AMOUNT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR SO THAT WE CAN MEET, THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED SO THAT WE WILL STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET. AND THERE IS THE EXPLANATIONS. I CAN READ THEM ALOUD IF YOU WOULD LIKE. NO, NO THANK YOU. MANY QUESTIONS FOR NICOLE. I, I YEAH, SO SEVERAL SEVERAL QUESTIONS. SOME OF THESE FOR NICOLE AND SOME OF THESE FOR, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO NICOLE, WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, IT JUMPED OUT AT ME THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE MANY LINE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET WHERE THE ACTUAL SPEND EXCEEDED THE BUDGETED SPEND, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL INCLUDED HERE, JUST THIS, THESE, THESE SIX ITEMS I DID LOOK AND THESE SIX ITEMS, IT JUST SO HAPPENS ARE IN DEPARTMENTS WHERE AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, THE TOTAL SPEND FOR THE DEPARTMENT EXCEEDED THE PLANNED BUDGET. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AND DETERMINE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT EXCEEDED THEIR SPENDING THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED HERE? DO YOU OR ARE THESE THE ONLY CASES OF DEPARTMENT LEVEL SPENDING EXCEEDED THE THE APPROVED BUDGET? THOSE ARE THE ONLY DEPARTMENTS THAT EXCEEDED THEIR SPENDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN THAT COMES BACK TO A QUESTION, BRAD, FOR YOU, IF WE IF WE KNOW WE NEED TO AMEND THE BUDGET FOR DEPARTMENT LEVEL EXCESSES, THEN WE NEED TO DO THIS. IF, HOWEVER, AS SEEMS TO ME FROM THE WAY I AS A NON-LAWYER READ THE THE LEGAL STATE REQUIREMENTS, REALLY THE REQUIREMENT IS IF WE'RE IF WE EXCEED THE SPENDING AT A FUND LEVEL, THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND, THEN WE NEED TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT. SO I'M I'M QUESTIONING WHETHER WE NEED TO DO THESE BUDGET AMENDMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, AT A STATE REQUIREMENT OR NOT. AND IF NOT, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT I HAVE WHY I THINK IT'S NOT GOOD PRACTICE TO DO THEM. SO I'M I'VE BEEN FURIOUSLY LOOKING THIS UP WHILE YOU WERE GONE. AND I'VE GOT A TEXT OUT TO MY PARTNERS. I THINK I HAVE AN OPINION. SO WHAT THE STATE LAW ON THIS REQUIRES BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN OTHER INSTANCES WHICH REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE AND SO FORTH, WHICH YOU HAVE HERE TONIGHT. BUT IN OTHER INSTANCES FOR SMALLER TRANSFERS, THE MUNICIPALITY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CHANGES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE. AND SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING YOUR BUDGETED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY WITHIN FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT TO COVER ONE OR THE OTHER, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING YOUR TOTAL SPEND. BUT I'VE GOT THIS. I'M VERIFYING THAT WITH MY WITH MY PARTNERS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LACK OF THERE'S SOME ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS, BUT THERE'S REALLY A LACK OF CASE LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THIS, THIS ISSUE. AND I'VE LOOKED AT TML GUIDANCE AND EVERYTHING AS WELL. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT COULD BE A CHANGE OR IT COULD BE A REQUIRED ORDINANCE. SO IT'S IT'S VERY FACT SPECIFIC.

SO I'M, I'M WAITING ON A ON SOME ANSWERS. SO IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MINUTE. YEAH. YOU WANT TO MOVE ON. MAYBE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE AND RECALL THIS ONE. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY WE MAY NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THE CHARTER AS WELL. BECAUSE. YEAH. SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT MIGHT BE IN THE CHARTER I DON'T I CAN'T SAY I'M NOT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I DID NOT LOOK AT THE CHARTER. AND SO I JUST GOT A TEXT BACK. AND SO IF THE OVERALL BUDGET ADOPTION ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR CHANGES IN LINE ITEMS IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT, THEN YOU CAN YOU CAN DO THAT OR BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS YOU CAN DO THAT. SO WE MAY NEED TO DO IT. IT MAY BE SPECIFIC TO LAGO VISTA. THERE MAY BE SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THERE. I'M JUST GOING TO LOOK AT YOUR YOUR CHARTER RATHER TO TO ANSWER TO GET A BETTER ANSWER. SO I AT THIS POINT I DON'T I CAN'T MAKE A SOLID RECOMMENDATION. SO IF YOU EITHER WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WE CAN RECALL THIS ONE. OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO TABLE IT ENTIRELY UNTIL WE CAN DO I. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HATE TO DO ON THE FLY RESEARCH. IT ALWAYS MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. OKAY, SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST, AND THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT I'M NOT REMEMBERING, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE CHARTER IT REQUIRES THE CITY MANAGER TO DELIVER A BALANCED BUDGET TO COUNCIL FOR US TO APPROVE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE CHARTER ABOUT DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL VERSUS IT'S JUST ABOUT THE BALANCED BUDGET.

AND THAT'S TO ME THAT MEANS THAT A FUND LEVEL, BUT OF COURSE, INVITE YOU TO LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION. SECONDLY, I THINK THE FINANCIAL POLICY THAT

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THE CITY HAS NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BECAUSE IN THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO DO SOME THINGS AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND MOVE AROUND. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF THAT AT ALL, BUT IT MAY COME INTO PLAY HERE ON, ON THIS. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT ALL OF THESE EXPENDITURES ARE NOT SURPRISE, UNEXPECTED, UNAPPROVED, RIGHT. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, I JUST WENT THROUGH AND AND LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSES IN THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS THE SEPARATION PACKAGE FOR THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND THE PACKAGE FOR OUR INCOMING CITY MANAGER WERE EXPLICITLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. SO SO THAT WAS NOT THE CITY TAKING ACTION. IT WAS CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. NOW THE THE THE SMALL INCREASE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ONE CITY SECRETARY. I WOULD SAY IT'S A SMALL OVERAGE, WHICH IS WELL WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETIONARY LEVELS. SAME THING WITH LEGAL SERVICES. IT WAS A SMALL OVERAGE WELL WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETIONARY SPENDING LEVELS. CITY COUNCIL SAME THING, SMALL OVERAGE WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETIONARY. AND THEN THE THE OTHER BIG ONE IS THIS DEPARTMENT WATER. IT SAYS WATER PLANE ONE I THINK THIS SHOULD BE WATER PLANT ONE. AND AGAIN CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY THE PAPERWORK IS IN THE PACKET FOR THIS. THE CITY COUNCIL EXPLICITLY APPROVED THIS SPENDING. SO I THINK IN ALL CASES THE THE RIGHT PAPERWORK AND PAPER TRAIL IS THERE. SO JUST IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MEET STATE LAW, THEN BY ALL MEANS LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. AND I THINK SO I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'VE GOT I'M, I'M, WE'RE DOING THIS IN REAL TIME HERE. BUT BUT IF THE OVERALL EXPENDITURE FOR A DEPARTMENT EXCEEDS WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THAT DEPARTMENT, THE BEST PRACTICE AND WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE ARGUABLY REQUIRED, BUT CERTAINLY THE BEST PRACTICE IS TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A CHANGE BY ORDINANCE, SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT THAT EXCEEDS ITS ALLOTTED EXPENDITURE, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T, YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T EXCEED YOUR YOUR OVERALL BUDGETED EXPENDITURE OVERALL. SO IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER, I THINK THE BEST PRACTICE AND PROBABLY STATE LAW WOULD, WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT BE DONE BY ORDINANCE. IF IT IS LINE ITEMS JUST WITHIN A DEPARTMENT AND THAT DON'T CAUSE THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET TO GO OVER, THEN I THINK THAT CAN BE DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE WE ARE ON WHICH ONE, WHICH WHICH ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. IS DEPARTMENT LEVEL TOTAL EXPENDITURES OVER DO THAT BY ORDINANCE. AND THAT WAY IT'S CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED. AND THERE'S BEEN THAT DISCUSSION AND IT'S IT'S DOCUMENTED PROPERLY. YEAH. AND SO, SO A LITTLE MORE SO IF IN FACT, WE MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS AND WE INCREASE THE BUDGETED DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN THAT VIOLATES THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT OF A BALANCED BUDGET, BECAUSE OUR REVENUE THAT'S IN THE BUDGET WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE AMENDED EXPENSES THAT WILL NOW BE IN THE BUDGET. WHICH LEADS ME TO THE THE REQUEST THAT I'VE HAD GOING BACK A NUMBER OF MONTHS NOW, THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON COUNCIL BEFORE WILL REMEMBER. I SAID ANYTIME STAFF BRINGS IN A PROPOSAL FOR INCREASING AMENDING EXPENSES, THEY NEED TO BRING IN A REDUCTION IN SPENDING SO THAT IT IS A BALANCED AND THAT'S NOT IN HERE. AND THERE WAS ONE CASE WHERE IT HAPPENED BEFORE YOU WERE ON BOARD, CHARLES. AND I SAID, OKAY, FAIR WARNING, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN. YOU CAME ON BOARD. IT HAPPENED A SECOND TIME. I SAID, OKAY, CHARLES, YOU GET ONE PASS. SO HERE WE ARE A THIRD TIME, AND I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT. AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES IN THE BUDGET WHERE A BALANCE OF REDUCTION OF SPENDING COULD HAPPEN TO OFFSET THIS INCREASE IN SPENDING, BECAUSE THE ACTUAL SPENDING WAS WAY UNDER THE BUDGET. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE REQUEST. I WOULD HAVE TO TO CLEAN IT UP.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT INTERPRETATION. GIVEN THE GIVEN THE BALANCED BUDGET REQUIREMENT IN YOUR CHARTER, ANY ANY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TO RAISE THE THE TOTAL NUMBER. AND I JUST GOT CONFIRMATION THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO FROM ANOTHER PARTNER THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE ALLOCATION OF A DEPARTMENT, THAT OUGHT TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE. AND BECAUSE OF YOUR CHARTER REQUIRING THE BALANCED BUDGET, DEPARTMENT A GOES UP BY $100,000, THEN DEPARTMENT B NEEDS TO GO DOWN BY $100,000. YES, SIR. BUT THE QUESTION WHICH YOUR PARTNER MAY HAVE ANSWERED YOU, BUT I HADN'T HEARD IT YET, IS IF AN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT EXCEEDS ITS BUDGET SPENDING, DO WE HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT BY STATE LAW? DO WE HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT

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FOR THAT DEPARTMENT? I, I THINK YOU PROBABLY DO. OKAY. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY IT IS CERTAINLY THE BEST PRACTICE IF THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT EXCEEDS ITS ALLOTTED BUDGET, IT IS CERTAINLY BEST PRACTICE. AND I THINK THAT I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS AMONG MUNICIPAL PRACTITIONERS WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, BECAUSE YOU'RE INCREASING THE OVERALL SPEND FOR AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN SPECIFIC TO LAGO VISTA, A ANOTHER DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO SHOW A CORRESPONDING DECREASE. YEAH. AND THAT'S JUST I'LL COMMENT.

I'VE BEEN LESS THAN ENAMORED WITH OUR DEPARTMENT STRUCTURE WITHIN HERE, WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS ON DISCUSSION HERE IS A DEPARTMENT OF ONE PERSON, THE CITY SECRETARY. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE UPCOMING UPCOMING BUDGET.

AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT IS I DON'T LIKE IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE HAVE TO DO IT. BUT I DON'T LIKE CHANGING THE BUDGET AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE IT WHITEWASHES THE HISTORY OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. AND I WOULD I WOULD RATHER THE HISTORY SHOW THAT WE EXCEEDED THE BUDGET IN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE CLEAR EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED. OKAY. I'M DONE. THANK YOU, MR. PRINCE. I'LL ADD FOR CITIZENS TO. MR. PRINCE HAD A GOOD HOST ON THIS ON THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION BOARD, WHICH YOU COULD GET TO ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND MAYOR PRO TEM, AND ALSO HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS DOWN HERE? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE EARLIER DISCUSSION. IF IN FACT WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AND IF IN FACT INCREASING THESE DEPARTMENTS, THEIR BUDGETS WITHOUT CURRENTLY IDENTIFYING WHERE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM, DOES THAT CREATE A PROBLEM? SO CAN WE DO THAT, OR DO WE HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFY BOTH OF THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. SO, SO SO THE SO A BUDGET AMENDMENT ORDINANCE FOR LAGO VISTA WOULD NEED TO SHOW IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH YOUR CHARTER, WOULD NEED TO SHOW DEPARTMENT A INCREASING BY $100,000, DEPARTMENT B DECREASING BY $100,000 IN THE SAME ORDINANCE. SO WE REALLY CAN'T APPROVE AS WRITTEN AS WRITTEN, WE NEED TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE TO WHERE IT SHOWS WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM, WHETHER IT BE DEDUCTED FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, OR IF WE'VE EXCEEDED REVENUES IN CERTAIN AREAS. SOMETHING TO BALANCE OUT TO SHOW WHERE THAT FUNDING IS COMING FROM. OKAY, AND FOR THE RECORD, THIS WAS MY POST ON THE THE BULLETIN BOARD THAT THE THE REVENUE THAT CAME INTO THE GENERAL FUND WAS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THE EXPENSES IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH US GETTING IN TROUBLE THERE, JUST SIMPLY MOVING THE ALLOCATIONS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS IS. YEAH.

YEP. OKAY. WELL, WITHOUT NICOLE'S GOT A QUESTION, I THINK. NICOLE, I WAS JUST GOING TO STATE ONE OF THE EXPENDITURES IN THE BUDGET FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS THE TRANSFERS TO THE AVIATION FUND AND TO THE GOLF COURSE FUND, AND WE DO NOT NEED THOSE TRANSFERS. SO RIGHT THERE, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THAT WOULD MORE THAN COVER THE DIFFERENCE. SO IT WOULD BE BALANCED. YEAH. WE JUST NEED TO WRITE THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT WAY IT'S COVERED OKAY. I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES YOU CAN PUT IT. THE THE PERSONNEL SPENDING WAS $1.6 MILLION UNDER IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO YOU'VE GOT PLENTY TO COVER IT THERE. THE, THE PLANTS AS YOU WERE POINTING OUT, THE PLANTS SPEND A TRANSFER TO GOLF COURSE WAS OVER 900,000. AND IN FACT THE ACTUAL NEED IS AROUND 300,000, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. SO YOU GOT 600. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES YOU COULD TAKE IT FROM TO TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. OKAY. I HAVE NO CITIZEN SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM. SO I WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL. IT IS LISTED FOR POSSIBLE ACTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE A TABLING IS A GOOD OPTION. ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION I'LL MOVE THAT. WE TABLE THIS ITEM. WHAT ARE WE ON? 5.5 TO TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. DO I HAVE A SECOND SECOND ON THE 9.50. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL FRANCIS, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN TO TABLE 9.5. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY.

SEEING NONE. THE ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. I'M GOING TO JUMP DOWN TO 10.3, BECAUSE I

[X.3. Consideration and possible action to authorize the City Manager to execute a service agreement between the City of Lago Vista & LJB Engineering for Phase 3 of the City's GIS Refresh- Quadrant 3 with Lidar in the amount of $217,690.]

KNOW ERNEST IS HERE AND IS READY FOR THAT. SO ITEM 10.3, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE

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ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA AND LJB ENGINEERING FOR PHASE THREE OF THE CITY'S GIS. REFRESH. QUADRANT THREE WITH LIDAR IN THE AMOUNT OF $217,690, AND I WILL HAND THAT OVER TO ERNESTO. GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS OUR CURRENT GIS. CAN I PRESENT REAL QUICK? GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MAYOR CHARLES, YOU RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION. THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. I'M SORRY.

POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. DID WE GET SOMETHING? AND I'M NOT. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET OR IN THE PACKET. YEAH. OKAY. SO MAYBE THERE WAS AN EMAIL I MISSED. THERE WAS A PACKET UPDATE THIS MORNING. YEAH. PAGE WHERE AM I AT 75. THANK YOU. YEAH. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT. WHAT THE QUADRANT ONE AND TWO WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE, THE THE PROGRESS OF THOSE QUADRANTS.

I CAN'T PRESENT YOU. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT THERE, CHARLES, COULD YOU MAY BE PRESENTED TO SEE IF I CAN GET IT PULLED UP. THIS IS. I ACTUALLY WANT TO SHOW MY SCREEN. SORRY. VERY GOOD. THE CITY CONTRACTED LGV ENGINEERING 2023 TO MAP THE WHOLE CITY. IT WAS DIVIDED IN FOUR QUADRANTS FOR BUDGET PURPOSES. PART ONE AND TWO WERE COMPLETED AND LAST YEAR. THE.

CURRENT QUADRANT IS BEING REQUESTED AS QUADRANT THREE. BUT THE REASON WHY WE NEED THIS IS BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS TO LOCATE WATER LINES TO SERVICE AS OUR LINES, AND LOCATE WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES ARE. SO WHENEVER THERE'S A LEAK, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THIS SHOP AND OPEN OUR ATLASES AND LOOK FOR WATER LINES ARE PRIME. EXAMPLE WAS DURING OUR LEAK THIS PAST

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WEEKEND. WE WE HAD TO REFER TO THIS QUITE A BIT. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THREE APPLICATIONS THAT WE USE. OH SORRY THAT WE USE TO CROSS-REFERENCE LINES. THE OTHER TWO ARE IN THE SHOP. SHOP. THESE OTHER ONES ARE GOING TO PICK ON THE FIELD. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WHENEVER YOU'RE LOCATING WATER LINES, SEWER LINES AND WHATNOT.

AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO KEEP UP WITH OUR OUR RECORD KEEPING AND WHAT'S EXPANDED.

WE'RE ALL INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE THAT WE DO. THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ON THE ON SECTION THREE WILL INCREASE EFFICIENCY IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO LOCATE WATER LINES TO TO LOCATE SEWER LINES, TO LOCATE ALL THE ASSETS IN REAL TIME. AND ONE OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE MADE IS.

THIS IS QUADRANT ONE AND TWO. THIS IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE MAPPED OUT. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE THE WATER LINES AND THE ASSETS. ACID, MEANING FIRE HYDRANT VALVES, SERVICES. AND WHENEVER YOU CLICK ON THE LINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE INFORMATION. OF EACH. YOU SEE.

YOU SEE THE TYPE OF LINE THERE IS, THE THE AGE. IF IT'S IN SERVICE, IF IT'S WHAT SIZE IT IS, IT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT. YOU CAN ALSO CLICK ON ON THE FIRE HYDRANT AND SEE WHEN IT WAS INSTALLED, WHEN IT WAS LAST MAINTENANCE. AND WE POTENTIALLY PUT IN THERE WITH THE FUTURE REPAIR MAINTENANCE WILL BE. THIS PROJECT WILL BRING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT ON THE STREET PROGRAM BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE STREET ASSET, WHICH IS ALSO THIS IS QUADRANT ONE AND TWO. AND IT GIVES YOU. STOP SIGNS. STREET NAMES. BECAUSE ON ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT TWO COUNCIL MINUTES AGO, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT THE SIGNS HAD AN EXPIRATION DATE.

SO THIS WILL HELP US GET A PROGRAM TO WHERE WE CAN CHANGE THE STREET SIGNS AND STOP SIGNS AND ALL OF OUR STREET ASSETS. THE OTHER. SECTION OF ASSETS IS OUR SANITARY SANITARY SECTION SHOWS GRAVITY LINES, FLOW LINES, MANHOLES, LOCATION OF SERVICES. AND DETAILED INFORMATION OF WHEN THE MAN WHO WAS INSTALLED. AND PREPARE FOR FUTURE REPAIR. FUTURE CHANGES. ANOTHER ASSET THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY IS THE STORM DRAIN. YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE A BIT OF A DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THE WATER STORM DRAIN MASTER PLAN. WHEN THE QUADRANT ONE AND TWO, THEY DID PART OF IT, THEY DID HOME DRIVEWAYS, STORM DRAINS, EVALUATION. THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THAT THEY. IT GIVES YOU THE CULVERT SIZE. IT GIVES YOU THE LOCATION. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THAT WE'RE SUPPORT FOR THE CITY. SO BENEFITS OF THE CITY IMPROVE ASSET MANAGEMENT. YOU ENHANCE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE. AS I MENTIONED A LOT OF TIME GOES INTO GOING INTO THESE MAPS FOR DIFFERENT MAPS. THREE OF THE LARGE ONES AND THREE OF THESE, YOU HAVE TO CROSS-REFERENCE ALL OF THEM IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPUTER. SO THAT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. SO IF WE HAVE THIS NEW QUADRANT, TIME WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOCATE THE AREAS AND PLAN BETTER FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE VALVE. THE FIRE HYDRANTS, MANHOLES AND VALVES. IT WILL IMPROVE COMPLIANCE DOCUMENTATION SO WE CAN KEEP GOOD RECORDS OF OUR MAINTENANCE.

WE ARE IN A GOOD PATH TO GET ALL THAT TAKEN CARE OF, BUT THE AREA THAT WE REQUESTING IS THE MOST CRITICAL ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS A MORE CONDENSED AREA WITH A POPULATION, THERE'S A A PAGE OF COST COMPARISON OF WHAT WOULD HAVE COST IF THE CITY WERE TO HIRE MORE PERSONNEL. SPECIAL

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GIS MANAGERS AND ALL THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE COMPARISON IN THERE OF WHAT IT WILL COST. THE SIGNIFICANT. PRICE INCREASE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. SO WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF IF WE DON'T COMPLETE THE QUADRANT THREE, WE'LL BE AT 50% MAP ACCURATELY. SO THE OTHER CITY WILL GO AND MAP FOR. SO WE GET OUR GIS UNTIL WE GET STAFF TO GO OUT THERE AND VERIFY VERIFY SERVICES. AND IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. WE ARE HIRED AT HIGH RISK OF GETTING CONTRACTED FOR DAMAGE BECAUSE WHENEVER THEY CALL FOR LOCATES AND WE HAVE TO LOCATE THE WATER LINES, IT'S NOT AS ACCURATE AS WE WANT IT TO BE. WE ARE WORKING ON MAPPING THE PRESSURE ZONES AND GET A BETTER INTERCONNECTION ON ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO NOT IMPROVING QUADRANT THREE IS GOING TO DELAY OR PROGRESS INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR MAINTENANCE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE. I REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL. HOPEFULLY WE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH QUADRANT THREE AND FOUR AND INTEGRATE THE DATA INTO PUBLIC WORKS. COORDINATE AND THIS INFORMATION WITH THE NEW MAPPING ON QUADRANT THREE TO GIVE IT TO THE ENGINEERS THAT THEY'RE DOING THE STORM DRAIN MASTER PLAN, AND PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER TO BETTER HAVE A BETTER GIS MAP SYSTEM. AS A SUMMARY, WE HAVE COMPLETED QUADRANT ONE AND TWO. THE MAPPING SIGNIFICANT GROUP CAN IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND PLANNING AND SUPPORT LONG TERM INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS. THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. THANK YOU. MR. I THINK OBVIOUSLY HAVE YOU COME UP HERE? I GOT A FIRST START WITH THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU AND YOUR TEAM DID THIS WEEKEND. OBVIOUSLY, CHARLES WAS OUT THERE FOR A LOT OF TIME WITH YOU GUYS. I GOT TO COME OUT A COUPLE TIMES HOPING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN SOME SLEEP AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON IT.

SO THIS BECAME VERY RELEVANT THIS WEEKEND. YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, Y'ALL DID NOT HAVE TO BREAK THE MAIN WATER LINE TO PROVE THAT TO ME. BUT YOU DID HELP. THAT HELP. YEAH. SO BEING ABLE TO SEE THIS IS GREAT. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I CAN REMEMBER IN MY TWO YEARS OF FINALLY GETTING TO ACTUALLY SEE A MIDWAY THROUGH A PROJECT, WHAT THE PROGRESS LOOKS LIKE AND THE PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE GETTING. AND THAT'S ALL I WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR WHEN I WAS QUESTIONING THIS BEFORE. JUST THIS IS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION AND PRESENTATION THAT HELPS ME MAKE DECISIONS. AND SO FOR THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS KIND OF THE BAR THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO BE AT. AND THIS HAS BEEN VERY GREAT TO SEE. AND SO I, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS NOW.

I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT. AND NOW AFTER THIS WEEKEND WE JUST HAVE. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE MORE JUST ME TRYING TO COMPREHEND WHERE WE ARE REALLY AT. SO THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPORTANT MOMENTS FOR US WAS SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN Y'ALL FOUND THAT VALVE THAT WAS ABLE TO START FILLING THE GOLF BALL WHEN IT HAD, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH GONE EMPTY.

WAS THAT VALVE ON ANY OF THESE MAPS THAT WE'D ALREADY DONE, OR WAS IT IN QUADRANT THREE? IT WAS 23. WOW. UNLUCKY FOR US. RIGHT. SO FOR THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, WE WERE HAVING TO PULL HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE AND THEN YOUR GUYS WERE PHYSICALLY HAVING TO DRIVE OUT THERE TO GO SEE IF THE VALVE WAS THERE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO I SAW HOW THE TIME REALLY MATTERED THEN.

I MEAN, WE HAD ALREADY WE WERE TO LINDA'S POINT, THE COMMUNICATION I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GREATLY IMPROVED. AND WE CAN ALWAYS GET BETTER, BUT IT WAS PRETTY GOOD. AND SO AT THAT TIME ON SUNDAY, WE HAD A MEDIATELY PUT OUT AN EMERGENCY NOTICE BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE VIKING TANK WAS DOWN AND THE GOLF BALL WAS DOWN. AND WE WERE VERY CONCERNED. AND LUCKILY, WITHIN ALMOST 15 MINUTES OF SENDING OUT THAT NOTICE, WE WERE ABLE TO TURN THAT VALVE AND START FILLING IT UP. BUT MAYBE HAD WE HAD THIS AND YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THIS OFF OF A TABLET AND I ASSUME MAYBE YOUR PHONE TOO. MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE FOUND IT SOONER. WE WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN GOTTEN TO THAT EMERGENCY ALERT. THAT ACCURATE? IS THAT HOW THIS COULD HAVE HELPED US THIS WEEKEND? ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR, THIS THIS AREA IS A MORE CONDENSED AREA WITH WATER LINES, SEWER LINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S BEEN ON MY RADAR TO MAP MEANING MAP. GO OUT TO THE FIELD PERSONNEL AND TURNING VALVES SEE WHAT THEY DO.

OBVIOUSLY WE JUST RUN INTO THE RISK OF BLOWING WATER LINES, SEWER LINES OR WHATEVER TESTING SO THAT THAT WILL HELP US IDENTIFY WHICH LINE GOES WHERE AND MAP IT CORRECTLY AND MAP THE VOWS FOR FUTURE LEAKS. NOT TOO LONG AGO, WE ALSO HAD A LEAK THAT WAS THROWN AT 3:00 IN

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THE MORNING BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND THE VALVES, IDENTIFIED THE VALVES THAT NEEDED TO BE SHUT DOWN, THE REPAIR ITSELF AN HOUR, BUT IT WAS MOSTLY TRYING TO LOCATE THE VALVES AND IDENTIFYING THOSE CONNECTIONS THERE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT BEEN KEPT UP. WHENEVER WE WERE DOING. WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, WHERE WE GO AND EXERCISE VALVES AND TEST THE VALVES AND REPLACE THE VALVE IN PLACE. AND WHEN YOU GO INSIDE AND YOU, YOU, YOU TEST THE VALVE AND TEST CERTAIN AREA, IT DOESN'T WORK. THEN YOU HAVE TO EXPAND THE AREA. THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, NOTIFY THE PUBLIC TAKES TIME, TAKES EFFORT. BUT IF WE HAVE A MORE ACCURATE SYSTEM, WE CAN BETTER PREPARE, BETTER TEST AND BETTER MAP THE AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED. SO IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL TO GET YOUR ANSWER.

YES. THAT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL ONLY IF YOU HAD THIS DONE. I KNOW IT REALLY WELL NOW.

I LIKE STRESSFUL WEEKEND. YES, VERY. MAY I ASK, MR. MAYOR? YES. WELL, SO I JUST I WANTED TO TO THANK YOU FOR PULLING TOGETHER. YOU WERE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER NUMBERS COMPARING OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, BOTH IN TERMS OF COST AND THEN THE TIME OPPORTUNITY, COST OF TIME VERSUS DOING IT IN-HOUSE. I KNOW THE LAST TIME I ASKED YOU FOR THAT AND YOU WEREN'T SURE YOU COULD PULL IT TOGETHER. SO I COMMEND YOU FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER. EVEN WITH THE EMERGENCY WE HAD OVER THE WEEKEND. BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF COST, IF WE TRY TO DO IT OURSELVES AND THE OVERALL TIME. RIGHT. AND AS YOU SAID, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE IN THIS AS WE JUST SAW THIS WEEKEND. SO I YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE MADE A REALLY EFFECTIVE CASE, YOU KNOW, OVERALL FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU. THERE IS A CHANGE FOR THE CITY NOT TOO LONG AGO BECAUSE I JUST RECEIVED IT ON MONDAY. MEANING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE LIGHT POLES SURVEYING, AND WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE STORM DRAIN ON OUR WAS FOR THE QUADRANT FOR THIS IS SIGNIFICANT NOT SIGNIFICANT.

BUT THERE'S INCREASED PRICES ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS INCLUDING GUARDRAILS ON QUADRANT THREE, BUT DECIDED NOT TO GO TO COURT ON ONE AND TWO BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. WE WILL TRY TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE, ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET TODAY. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE SENT OUT TODAY WAS THE UPDATED ONE. SO THE ONE IN JUNE. 17,160. AND THE NEW WAS ONE IS 323,100. THAT'S ANOTHER $96,000 PRICE. OKAY, CHARLES, IT WENT TO 223, RIGHT? YES. 223. YEAH. IT'S ABOUT $6,000 INCREASE. THIS ITEM WAS BUDGETED THOUGH. IT WAS THE BUDGET. IT WAS FOR THIS YEAR. CHANGE ORDER. YES, 17 TO 20. YEAH 26,000. 6000. YEAH. I SEE SOMETHING IN MY EMAIL THAT. YEAH OKAY. WE. YEAH. STAFF. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO SURVEY THE STORM DRAIN ON, ON THE RW OR, OR STORM DRAIN. CAN YOU DECODE WHAT YOU JUST SAID THE STORM DRAINS ON THE RW? I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY. YEAH, RIGHT.

RIGHT AWAY. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. TOM. SIR. SORRY, ERNESTO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I ACTUALLY REITERATE EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN HAD SAID WE HAD ASKED YOU FOR FOR NUMBERS, AND YOU CAME BACK WITH NUMBERS. AND THIS THIS DEFINITELY CEMENTS MY POSITION ON THIS AND DEFINITELY THE TIMELINE. I KNOW WE WERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINING A LOT OF IDEAS, MAYBE WITH SOME INTERNS. AND THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN RECENT EVENTS.

ALSO, JUST THE AMOUNT OF STAFFING AND MANAGERS AND TECHNICIANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SUBCONTRACT OR CONTRACT OUT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID THIS WEEKEND. IT REALLY MAKES YOUR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT WAS WAS WELL NOTED BY THIS BY EVERYONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR THOMPSON. SO ON IS THIS WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS WHAT IS THE TOOL NAME IS BEEHIVE. I MEAN I KNOW OF THAT PARTICULAR NAME, BUT WHERE IS THIS INFORMATION GOING WITHIN OUR SYSTEM CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE A HUB BECAUSE IT'S BEING CREATED. WE DO HAVE ACCESS STAFF ACCESS TO IT, BUT ONCE IT'S FULLY FORMED, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE EITHER AFTER LAWS, UNTIL WE CAN MAKE IT READY TO THE PUBLIC OR WHAT WE CAN. BUT IT'S IT'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. GOT IT. OKAY. WELL I'M SORRY, FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION. YES. RELATED I WAS CURIOUS. SO WHEN YOU PULLED UP, WHEN YOU CLICKED ON ALL THOSE THINGS, IT GAVE YOU A BUNCH OF INFORMATION. IS MAINTENANCE GOING TO BE PUT INTO THERE OR IS THIS SPECIFICALLY YOU STILL GOT TO USE SOMETHING LIKE BEEHIVE.

WELL THIS IS IT. COULD IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THERE. I'LL HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND

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SEE HOW WE STOOD WITH YOU AND GET ALL THOSE ITEMS. BEEHIVE IS OUR MAIN MAINTENANCE PORTAL PER SE, BUT WE CAN GO. WE CAN TRACK THEIR MAINTENANCE, BUT THIS IS MOSTLY FOR RECORD KEEPING ON ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH. YEAH. SO FOR ME, I WILL USE IT TO KEEP RECORDS OF THE MAINTENANCE.

I TRY TO OPEN IT UP, BUT COVID-19 IS GOING TO SHOW YOU SHOW YOU ALL WE HAVE TO GO UP.

IT JUST TOOK MY QUESTION. YEAH. SO I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS FOR JORDAN JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE, JORDAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THE GIS AND SOME OF THE CAPABILITIES AS IT REGARD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. CAN YOU RELAY JUST A JUST A FEW OF THE BENEFITS? AND THEN I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR SO AND TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS, THEY'RE ESTABLISHING A HUB AND A SYSTEM FOR US TO USE WITH THE RAW DATA.

WE CAN BRING IT IN-HOUSE AND MODIFY IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WE NEED. THAT'S THE INTENT OF HAVING GIS POSITION ON STAFF. WE SHOULD BE KEEPING A MAINTENANCE LOG. WE SHOULD BE ADDING THAT AS A RECORD, AND IT SHOULD GO INTO HELP THEM WITH THEIR O&M SCHEDULES, WHICH HELPS FINANCIAL PLANNING ACROSS THE BOARD. FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE USE THESE MAPS FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT MEETING WE HAVE. WE JUST HAD ONE THIS WEEK AND IT WAS IN QUADRANT THREE, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I SAID PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT ON SITE WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYTHING IS. WE USE IT TO IDENTIFY PROPERTIES. WE CAN USE IT TO DO TAX REVENUE ANALYSIS, PROPERTY VALUE. THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF CAPABILITIES THAT WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF. THIS IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY.

BUT WE USE THIS DATA IN ALL OF OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS FROM A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STANDPOINT. AND I KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOES AS WELL. I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE THE WEBSITES AND TRYING TO FIGURE STUFF OUT JUST LIKE YOU ARE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO DATE AND ACCURATE AND REFLECTING WHAT IT NEEDS TO, BECAUSE WE CAN TELL PEOPLE THAT WE'RE COMING IN WITH MAJOR PROJECTS. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE UTILITIES YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT MET. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL GO ON SITE, CHECK ON SOME BOOTS AND TRUDGE THROUGH SOME CEDAR AND FIGURE IT OUT. BUT IT IS IT IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR US TO HAVE ALL THIS STUFF. CHARLES. THANK YOU. AND AM I CORRECT? THEY'RE BASICALLY GOING TO BUILD OUR DATABASE AND THEN WITH GIS STAFF, WE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST MAINTAIN IT AND ADD TO IT AS AS THE SYSTEM GROWS. CORRECT. EVERY TIME SOMEBODY YES, THEY'RE BUILDING IT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OVER. WE'LL POST IT LOCALLY ON A SERVER. THERE'S SOME HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE PUBLICLY FACING. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANYTIME CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED TO A CITY, A GIS TECH CAN TAKE THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND MAKE THEM DIGITAL AND UPDATE THE RECORDS AS SOON AS WE APPROVE THE PLAN SET. WE CAN ALSO REQUEST A DIGITAL FILE SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUILD THEM DIGITALLY. AND THEN UPDATES ARE EVERY DAY, SO OUR MAPS ARE AS ACCURATE AS THEY ARE. AT 5:00 OF THAT DAY'S UPDATED PROGRESS. AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC WORKS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, TODAY UTILITIES STAFF HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND DIG OUT A LINE FOR YOU TO SEND OUT A PDF TO VERIFY THE LOCATION. GIVE THEM ABOUT A COUPLE DAYS. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I JUST THE LAST THING THAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT I'M GETTING WORD THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MIC SO THAT PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR. SO BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. ONE OTHER QUESTION. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THAT TODAY? HALF A DAY'S WORTH. HOW MANY HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS ARE OUT THERE? THREE OPERATOR, A SPOTTER AND A DIGGER. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. BENNEFIELD? MY ONLY QUESTION WAS I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED, BUT I JUST WANT TO CODIFY IT IS THAT WHENEVER THIS ALL FOUR QUADRANTS ARE FINISHED, THAT IT'S SUSTAINABLE, THAT WE CAN CONTINUALLY KEEP IT UP TO DATE. IT WOULDN'T TAKE BUT A YEAR TO FOR THIS TO BECOME OUT OF DATE, IF WE'RE NOT ON TOP OF IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO AS LONG AS THERE'S A COMMITMENT THERE THAT THIS STAYS ANTIQUATED IN THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS, I THINK IT'S AMAZING IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT THAT'S UPDATED DAILY, THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE IT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER ON A TABLE. YEAH, YEAH, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO KEEP IT UPDATED AND I WILL KEEP

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IT UPDATED. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WHENEVER THE SUPERINTENDENT I KEPT UPDATED AND I KEPT IT TO GET A GIST ON STAFF AND GIVE IT TO HIM. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. YEAH. BUT YEAH. THIS IS WHAT I KNOW. IT'S GOT NOTES. IT'S GOT IT'S GOT EVERYTHING. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THEN I'LL JUST NOTE AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO. HEARING NONE. THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSSION. AND WE CAN ALSO TAKE A MOTION BEFORE THAT. I JUST ADD THAT IT'S JUST A REMINDER. I'LL BRING IT UP IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL. WHILE THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S VERY NEEDED, THAT'S GREAT. IT'S JUST A REMINDER OF STAFF. WE'RE LOOKING FOR PLACES THAT ARE SAVING MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS WEEKEND WAS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE FIX TOO. SO JUST KEEP THAT TOP OF MIND. AND WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH ELLERBE ENGINEERING FOR PHASE THREE OF THE CITY'S GIS REFRESH. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I GOT ON THAT ONE. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THERE BEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY, THERE BEING NONE. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THE NEXT ITEM IS

[X.5. Consideration and possible action to replace Resolution No. 25-2177 with Ordinance per the advice of legal counsel. (Part 1 of 2)]

MOVING TO IS 10.5. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REPLACED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2177 WITH ORDINANCE PER THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. AND I WILL TAKE THIS TO BRAD.

SO. THE CITY CHARTER GOVERNS. ELIGIBILITY FOR SERVICE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND IT PROVIDES THAT IT SETS FORTH THE CRITERIA, BASELINE CRITERIA FOR ELIGIBILITY FOR WHO MAY SERVE.

BUT IT SAYS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY ADOPT OTHER ADDITIONAL ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA BY ORDINANCE. AND SO, BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS BY ORDINANCE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL I DID WAS I CONVERTED THE RESOLUTION INTO ORDINANCE FORM. AND I'LL BE CANDID WITH YOU. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING NUMBER ONE AT THERE WAS A REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION TO SOMETHING. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, SECTION 1.3 OR 1.0 3 OR 3.0, 1.3. AND I COULDN'T FIND WE COULDN'T FIND WHAT EITHER SECTION OF THE ORDINANCES OR RULES OF PROCEDURE OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT REFER TO. THERE WAS A SECTION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT, THAT THAT ADDRESSED SOME OF THIS, BUT IT HAD A DIFFERENT NUMBERING, SO WE WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY WHERE THAT WAS. SO I LEFT THAT BLANK IN THE VERSION THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED YESTERDAY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD GO IN YOUR, IN YOUR ORDINANCES. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I, I. I APOLOGIZE. I READ THROUGH THE TRANSCRIPT SEVERAL TIMES, AND I JUST WAS UNABLE TO DISCERN EXACTLY HOW TO EDIT THE RESOLUTION TO REFLECT THE FLOOR MOTION. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE IDENTICAL VERBIAGE FROM THE RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF THE MECHANICS OF IT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER THAT MOTION IS AND AND CHANGE THAT.

BUT WHEN I SENT THIS OUT YESTERDAY TO CHARLES AND ROBIN, I'VE SENT IT OUT AS A WORD DOCUMENT. SO MAKING THOSE EDITS WILL BE EASY. AND WE CAN PRINT IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, FIX IT. I JUST COULDN'T TELL EXACTLY HOW TO EDIT IT. AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT I MAKE THE EDITS. RIGHT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS INACCURATE, OR THEN DO IT AFTER THE FACT. AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY WAS THE MOTION THAT Y'ALL APPROVED. SO I JUST WAS UNCLEAR ON EXACTLY HOW TO EDIT THE RESOLUTION AND PUT IT IN THIS DOCUMENT. SO BUT THAT'S THE SHORT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW SHORTER VERSION. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AGAIN OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. YES MR. MAYOR, SO I THINK IN THE SECTION ONE. SO I'LL GO TO THE SECOND PAGE UNDER GENERAL RULE A, NO INDIVIDUAL SHALL SERVE CONCURRENTLY IN MORE THAN ONE CITY BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE. I THINK IN OUR DISCUSSION, WE DETERMINED TO LIMIT THAT TO THOSE THREE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE IN ITEM B, WHERE ARE YOU READING IT? IT'S ON THE DRAFT THAT BRAD GAVE US TOP OF PAGE TWO, RIGHT. GENERAL RULE A GENERAL RULE. YES. UNDER ELIGIBILITY IT SAYS NO.

INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE CONCURRENTLY ON MORE THAN ONE CITY BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE. AND I BELIEVE DURING OUR DISCUSSION, WE ACTUALLY AGREED TO LIMIT THAT TO THESE THREE CRITICAL BOARDS WHERE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT OVERLAP THE BOA BUILDING STANDARDS AND PLANNING AND ZONING. SO GENERAL RULE A, I THINK IS UNNECESSARY. IT'S ACTUALLY B IS THE CRITICAL ONE. AND THEN C THE LIMITED EXCEPTION UNDER C SHOULD PERTAIN TO WHAT IS NOW B, RIGHT?

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IT SHOULD JUST PERTAIN BY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. IF WE FIND THAT WE NEED TO STAFF CERTAIN MEMBERS ON MORE THAN ONE COMMISSION IN ORDER TO FILL A VACANCY, OR BECAUSE WE DETERMINED CONCURRENT SERVICE IS NECESSARY. SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY. BRING THIS UP. SO THE THE EDIT THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THIS I WHINED THROUGH A IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND THEN B BECOMES A AND C BECOMES B. CORRECT. AND C HERE SHOULD REFER TO THE NEW A, RIGHT. SO OKAY. GOTCHA. YEP. SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE'S, THERE'S A PIECE OF WHAT SHE'S POINTING OUT THAT NEITHER OF YOU CAPTURED THOUGH. AND THAT IS THE AT THE BOTTOM OF WHAT IS NOW OR JUST THE LINE ABOVE WHAT IS NOW LIMITED EXCEPTION. SEE, IT SAYS THIS SUBSECTION SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO EXCEPTION. AND I THINK YOU JUST PROPOSED THAT, IN FACT, WE WANT TO ALLOW TO HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT SECTION B, WHICH IS GOING TO BECOME SECTION A, CORRECT. YEP. GOOD CATCH. WE ALSO GET RID OF. AND THEN BRAD, I THINK ALSO ON THAT NO EXCEPTION MAY BE GRANTED TO SUBSECTION B LINE NEEDS TO BE LINED THROUGH AS WELL. THAT LOWER ONE. THIS AGAIN THOUGH OKAY. SO. THIS A IS GONE TO MR. BULLOCK. COULD YOU USE MISS S'S MICROPHONE. YEAH. I'M SO SORRY. YEAH. HERE WE GO. OKAY, SO WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS IN THE DRAFT THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU, I'VE LINED THROUGH ENTIRELY WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A GENERAL RULE THAT'S GONE IN ITS ENTIRETY. SUBSECTION B BECOMES SUBSECTION A, CORRECT. AND THEN WITHIN THE NEW SUBSECTION A, THE FINAL LINE, THIS SUBSECTION SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO EXCEPTION IS STRICKEN THROUGH SUBSECTION C BECOMES B, RIGHT. AND THEN IT SAYS. THE CITY COUNCIL MAY AUTHORIZE AN EXCEPTION TO SUBSECTION A BY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. UPON FINDING ONE TWO, AND THEN LINE ENTIRELY THROUGH. NO EXCEPTION MAY BE GRANTED TO SUBSECTION B, CORRECT? IS THAT YES? YEP. SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I'VE DONE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT I PRESCRIBED. YES. YEP. YES. YEAH. AND THANK YOU. I'M SORRY IF I MAY. YES. MR. I THINK WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IS AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FLOOR DISCUSSION FROM LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I BELIEVE, ALTHOUGH MR. BENEFIT MAY HAVE ANOTHER POINT. HOWEVER, I HAVE A MUCH LARGER CONCERN THAT I WANT TO RAISE BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT ON THIS. AND I'LL PUT THAT ON HOLD FOR A MINUTE IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE HAS. MR. BENNEFIELD THE I UNDERSTOOD IT.

OKAY. YEAH. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT THE EXCEPTION THAT WE DISCUSSED WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION AND TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, NOT TO THE BOA. SO THERE COULD BE A LIMITED EXCEPTION WHERE SOMEBODY COULD SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARD COMMISSION. DID I SAY THAT TWICE THEY COULD SERVE ON PNC AND THE BSC CONCURRENTLY, IF THERE WAS LIMITED VOLUNTEERS AND APPROVED BY SUPERMAJORITY? HOWEVER, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE DOES SOMEBODY SERVE ON THE BOA AND THE BSC OR THE PNC. OKAY, MAYOR. MR. AND WHAT YOU JUST STATED, I BELIEVE IS, IS ENTIRELY ALIGNED WITH THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST TIME.

HOWEVER, AS I'VE DUG INTO THE REALLY DEEP ANALYSIS OF THE APPLICANTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS CYCLE, I THINK WE ARE CREATING A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAN WE'RE SOLVING, AND I WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT ON THIS. SO IF WE'RE READY TO DO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO GO THERE. IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO THERE. JUST CHECKING. MR. BRATTON, WERE YOU DONE WITH THAT QUESTION? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. BACK TO YOU, MR. BROOKS.

OKAY, SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE THE SPREADSHEET OF APPLICANTS THAT WE HAD AND I ADDED TWO PIECES OF INFORMATION TO MY PERSONAL VERSION, NUMBER ONE IS THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APPLICANTS FOR EVERY BOARD. AND THEN SECONDLY, HOW MANY APPLICANTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD OR COMMISSION PUT IT AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, PLANNING AND ZONING, WE HAD 15 PEOPLE APPLIED. TEN OF THEM SAID IT WAS THEIR FIRST

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CHOICE. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT REALLY WANT TO BE ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE TO DO THAT. BUT YOUR CURRENT LIKE I SAID, LIKE YOU NOTED, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE STRUCTURE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT, AND YOU COULDN'T DO THAT ON AN AD HOC BASIS. SO I THINK WE'D NEED TO ADJUST YOUR CODE ACCORDINGLY AND SAY IN THE EVENT OF THEN THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT POSSIBILITY EXISTS. AND IF IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE BY ORDINANCE AS A, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT IF, IF THIS ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH. SO RIGHT NOW IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE RECEIVED, I THINK IT SAID BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAD FOUR OPENINGS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. IN FACT, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND WE WOULD GO TO HAVING SEVEN OPENINGS WITH CIPS SIX APPLICANTS, ONE OF WHOM IS ALSO APPLYING FOR BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND PLANNING AND ZONING. AND SO I DON'T THINK IF THIS ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH THAT, WE CAN WE CAN FILL OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M YOU KNOW, WHILE I VOTED TO DO THIS IN THE LAST COUNCIL, AS I'VE LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION, I THINK IT CREATES A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAN IT SOLVES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. YEAH. SO I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE SPREADSHEET AS WELL, AND I'M NOTICING THAT THERE ARE FOUR APPLICANTS ON HERE THAT DID NOT SELECT PNC AT ALL, OR WSC AS THEIR FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD CHOICE. SO THERE'S AND THERE'S ONE THAT I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THAT MAYBE HAVE PICKED ONE, BUT THEY'VE ALSO DIDN'T EVEN SELECT

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ANY OTHER ONE. SO I THINK WE HAVE FOUR CANDIDATES THAT IT WASN'T EVEN THAT WOULD NOT OVERLAP WITH THAT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS I SEE WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT VERY MANY APPLICANTS. CAN YOU CALL OUT SOME OF THOSE? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE. I'M TRACKING. SURE. SO ON NUMBER 27, CLIFTON MCCLELLAN, HE PUT PNC AS HIS THIRD CHOICE, AND THE BOA IS THE SECOND CHOICE. AND BUILDING AND STANDARDS IS NUMBER ONE. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN WE HAD, I BELIEVE JAMES PECK HE PICKED TWO. HE'S ONLY APPLYING FOR THE AIRPORT. YES. HE'S A GOOD EXCEPTION WHERE HE, HE HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON PLANNING AND ZONING. GOD LOVE IT. AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW APPLICANT, MR. ENRIQUE LOPEZ. I BELIEVE HE'S HE WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN THE CHARTER. SO IF WE COULD GET HIM ON THE CHARTER COMMITTEE. AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE'S PLANNING AND ZONING WAS HIS FIRST. HIS FIRST AS WELL. YES, BUT HE ACTUALLY HAS NEVER SERVED ON A BOARD. SO THERE'S WE HAVE 15 OF THOSE.

AND I MEAN, I KNOW TEN OF THEM ARE FIRST CHOICE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF APPLICANTS THAT WE COULD CHOOSE FROM AND STILL NOT CROSS OVER. THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. OKAY. MR. BENFIELD. POINT WELL TAKEN. I WOULD HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE TO ASK MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING THE NECESSARY INDIVIDUALS TO FILL THE BOA. THIS GO AROUND. AND NUMBER TWO, LIKE WHEN I MADE MY LIST OF INDIVIDUALS THAT I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU NOTED, I HAD ABOUT 15 THAT MADE IT AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE. AND SO I KIND OF RATED THEM IN A SCALE OF 1 TO 10, IF YOU WILL, OR 1 TO 15 SAYING FIRST CHOICE, SECOND CHOICE, THIRD CHOICE. AND I FULLY ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM OWENS TO GET HER SELECTIONS FIRST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE WAS JUST IN THE RIGHT ORDER. AND THEN I HAD MY CONTINGENCY BACKUPS. AND SO IF WE ALWAYS PROVIDE PREFERENCE TO THE BOA. AND I ALSO DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BOA DOES, I THINK IF I THINK IF MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY DID AND HOW THEY DID IT, IT'D PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE MOST FAVORITE COMMISSIONS TO TO SERVE ON. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO COUNCILOR OWEN, IF YOU CARE TO OPINE, DID YOU HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING YOUR VACANCIES? IF THERE IS NOT OVERLAP, RIGHT. NOT NOT CHOSEN. ON TO PNC. I DID GO AHEAD AND MAKE A LIST. I ALSO MADE CONTINGENCIES RIGHT. DEPENDING ON WHO WAS CHOSEN FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. YOU ARE CORRECT. SO WHAT IS THERE? THERE'S UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAP OF WHERE THEY WOULD GO. I KNOW LIKE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT I INTERVIEWED WITH THAT HE DID PUT PMS AS HIS NUMBER ONE CHOICE, BUT HE WAS VERY CANDID, AS OTHERS WERE, THAT THEY WOULD JUST WERE WILLING TO SERVE ANYWHERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS INDIVIDUAL IS IN THE TOP FOUR OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT IF, NORMA, IF YOU WANTED TO TAP ONTO A GUY LIKE HIM, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOUR POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS. REAL QUICK. I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT FOR CITIZEN COMMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT, HEARING NONE, THEN COME BACK TO DISCUSSION. MAYOR PRO TEM, I DID, BASED ON COUNCILOR BENFIELD'S CONVERSATION. AND YES, THAT WAS INSIDE AND THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF MIGHT BE OF A MY CONSIDERATION FOR GOING AHEAD AND BUILDING AND DOING THE BACKUPS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE STATING, REALLY STEMMED FROM A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH JORDAN. I'M GOING TO BRING YOU BACK UP AGAIN IN TERMS OF WE IN PARTICULAR, WE WERE STATING WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE REALITIES OR COMPLICATIONS OR RISKS. NOW TO YOUR POINT, PAUL, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYTHING YET. YET. BUT BUT IF WE CAN MITIGATE RISK, THAT WAS MY. CONSIDERATION. SO, JORDAN, AND IN TERMS OF ANY HAVING CROSSOVERS BETWEEN THE, THE THE THREE COMMISSIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE B OF A, WHAT ARE YOUR PARTICULAR CONCERNS. SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY THE D, E AND D,

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MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL. AND COUNCIL HAS FINAL ACTION ON SEVERAL OF THEIR PROCESSES. THERE'S STILL A BIAS PRESENTED WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THE FACTS. AND SO THE MEMBERS OF PNC ARE ON THE BOA. THERE'S THE BOA IS STRICTLY INTENDED TO BE A SILO. THEY'RE HERE TO ESSENTIALLY CONTRADICT COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING. IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THE DECISION, THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BIAS INVOLVED. NO PRIOR FACTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HEARD.

IT'S STRICTLY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. DO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? DO THEY NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? AND AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THEY'RE THE ONLY BOARD YOU'VE RECEIVED.

DECISIONS MADE BY COUNCIL AND AND AND SO WHEN THESE BOARDS ARE ALL CONNECTED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF SILO MENTALITY. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN COMES IN. THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE IF YOU HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS ON DIFFERENT BOARDS, THEY TALK WHEN THEY PRESENT AT THEIR BOARD. AND SO THERE IS A RISK FOR A WALKING QUORUM ACROSS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT INTENDED. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER INTENDED THAT ANYBODY PARTICIPATE IN MILWAUKEE FORUM, BUT IT TRAVELS BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD COME UP AND YOU COULD SAY, HEY, AT OUR MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND WHEN YOU HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM ANOTHER BOARD, YOU UNINTENTIONALLY TRIGGER WALKING FORUMS AND IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I DON'T THINK IT'S HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TRY OUR BEST, EVEN UNINTENTIONALLY OR INDIRECTLY AT SOME POINTS.

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE SIZE OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WAS INCREASED FROM 7 TO 8, SO THAT IF ONE PERSON WAS MISSING, IT WASN'T THE CASE WHERE ONE PERSON COULD CAUSE SOMETHING NOT TO PASS. SO MAJORITY OF MY IN MY EXPERIENCE, MAJORITY OF DECISIONS THAT WE MADE ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAD TO BE SUPERMAJORITY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THESE APPEALS ALSO HAVE TO BE SUPERMAJORITY, IN WHICH CASE HAVING ANYONE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING OR BUILDING AND STANDARDS RECUSE THEMSELVES SCREWS UP THE WHOLE PROCESS. OR IF THEY'RE SIMPLE MAJORITY AND WE COULD HAVE TWO OR EVEN THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ANOTHER BODY,

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THEY RECUSE THEMSELVES IN THIS UNLIKELY EVENT. SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE'RE STILL GOOD. I, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. SO 11.4 SO WE'RE IN THE VARIANCE PROCEDURE FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR VARIANCE. AND PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER SHALL BE MADE IN WRITING TO THE CITY. AND UPON THE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION BY THE VOA SHALL OCCUR. THE MEETING ACTION BY BOARD AND SUBSECTION D, THE CONCURRING VOTE OF 75% OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SHALL BE NECESSARY FOR ANY DECISION IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT. SO IT'S AN EIGHT MEMBER BOARD. SIX OUT OF EIGHT USED TO BE SIX OUT OF SEVEN. NOW IT'S SIX OUT OF EIGHT, SIX OUT OF EIGHT REQUIRED. BUT THAT'S STILL NOT ADDRESSED. THAT'S VARIANCE. THAT'S NOT ADDRESSING THIS SCENARIO OF SOMETHING THAT GETS DENIED IN PLANNING AND ZONING AND GOES FOR APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IT MAY JUST NOT BE SPECIFIED IN OUR ORDINANCES. I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. I MEAN, SO SO THE 75% RULE APPLIES TO VARIANCES, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'LL HAVE TO HAPPY TO LOOK, BUT I'M HAVING TO FOR PLANNING AND ZONING APPEAL. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM COUNCIL OR THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IS TO AVOID A PROBLEM OF A DECISION BEING MADE IN BUILDING STANDARDS, OR PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT DECISION BEING APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND WE BECAUSE OF RECUSAL REASONS, WE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T RUN IT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, IS IT IS IT A REAL SCENARIO THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? AND BACK TO THE FILLING THE, THE WHEN IN COUNCIL, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COMING UP WITH NAMES, IF THIS ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH, LINDA AIRED GENE HARRIS, FRANK ROBBINS ALL HAVE APPLIED BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE UNLESS LINDA AIRED AND GENE HARRIS RESIGNED THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING SEATS. OH, AND FRANK ROBBINS RESIGNS HIS CHAIR POSITION ON BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO KEEP HIM THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE WE DO HAVE ENOUGH APPLICANTS FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT DOING FURTHER RECRUITING, WHICH IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLE, NOT DIRECTLY. YOU ARE CORRECT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL APPLICANTS THAT HAVE B OF A ON HERE. I BEGAN REACHING OUT TO OTHER MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY HAVE HAD P AND Z AS NUMBER TWO OR SOMETHING. AND SO I BEGAN, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE THAT WERE WILLING TO COME ON OVER TO BE A B OF A. EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT PUT THEM ON THERE. SO I STARTED ONE PERSON I DIDN'T GET A RETURN CALL FROM JUST YET. SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT AND THAT'S GOOD. I WILL SAY, I THINK I'VE MADE MY CASE ENOUGH, SO I'LL TRY TO STOP HOGGING THE FLOOR HERE. SO YEAH, I WAS INDIFFERENT, HONESTLY, ON THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS FELT, YOU KNOW, I WAS WILLING TO GO WITHOUT THE COUNCIL WAS.

BUT I'VE ALWAYS FELT WE COULD JUST HAVE A ASTERISKS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE SOMEWHERE, JUST TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THIS. WHEN YOU'RE MAKING APPOINTMENTS, JUST TRY TO DO YOUR BEST NOT TO RUN INTO THIS ISSUE. AND I THINK THAT WAS ENOUGH. BY MAKING IT AN ORDINANCE, YOU'RE KIND OF COMPLICATING THINGS A LITTLE BIT AND YOU'RE JUST GROWING OUR ORDINANCES WHEN WHEN REALLY IT SHOULD JUST BE A REMINDER TO COUNCIL WHEN YOU MAKE THESE APPOINTMENTS, TO BE WEARY OF THESE ISSUES. OKAY, MISTER, WHO'S WHOSE RECOMMENDATION WAS IT TO MAKE THIS ORDINANCE? I DID BRING IT UP THAT THERE WAS A CITIZEN WHO BROUGHT IT TO ME, THAT THE RESOLUTION READ AS IF THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ORDINANCE. THERE WAS A SECTION IN THERE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS AT THE NEXT ROUTINE TIME THAT STAFF WERE TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE, THEY SHOULD UPDATE BASED OFF OF THIS. AND THEN I ASKED, BRAD, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? HE SAID, YES, I BELIEVE THAT READS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WELL, I MEAN, WELL, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT GOVERNS THIS. IT'S THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR CHARTER THAT GOVERNS THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S. SO I LOOKED AT THAT FIRST, BUT THEN I LOOKED AT YOUR CHARTER. AND SO THE CHARTER IS WHAT GOVERNS IT. I DON'T THINK THAT RESOLUTION CAN BE EFFECTIVE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO IT. I DON'T THINK THAT RESOLUTION CAN BE EFFECTIVE JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR CHARTER. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, IT MUST BE BY ORDINANCE PURSUANT TO YOUR CHARTER. AND I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS DISCUSSION IS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR PEOPLE ON THE BOA, FOR EXAMPLE.

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RIGHT? JUST LIKE JANICE DID, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, TEXTED ME AND SAID I WOULD, I WOULD APPLY. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE SHORT, I WOULD APPLY, I WOULD DO IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT SENTIMENT WOULD BE FELT AMONGST A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TODAY, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE FOUR APPOINTMENTS ON THE BOE. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER CROSSOVERS UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT RESIDES. BUT IF A NEW CAMPAIGN HAD TO GO OUT SAYING, HEY, WE'RE THREE SHORT ON THE BOA, OR WE'RE THREE SHORT ON THE PNC, OR WE'RE THREE SHORT ON BSE, WE NEED A MORE ROBUST RECRUITMENT. I THINK PEOPLE WOULD RISE TO THE OCCASION, AND I HAVE 7 OR 8 PEOPLE THAT I WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO APPLY TO THE PNC, THAT I THINK I GUARANTEE YOU, IF WE CALLED THEM UP AND SAID, HEY, WE DIDN'T GET YOU ON THE PNC, BUT WE GOT IT OPENING ON THE BOA OR THE BSE, I THINK THEY WOULD JUMP AT THAT OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S JUST MY FEELING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL. PRINCE FEELS LIKE EVERYONE'S HAD A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. I WILL SAY CAN I, MR. MAYOR? SORRY. YEAH. SO I, I KIND OF SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. I'M AGNOSTIC ON THIS AND I'M SEEING THE POINTS ON BOTH SIDES. SO I'M WILLING TO GO WITH THE MAJORITY. BUT IF WE DO PROCEED WITH THIS, THERE'S SOME EDITS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO SECTION TWO. SO I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT ADDITIONAL EDITS OKAY. TO CONFORM. I THINK I KNOW WHERE THIS NEEDS TO GO IN YOUR ORDINANCES. AND I'VE GOT THOSE EDITS IN HERE NOW THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON. NOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBSTANTIVE OR WHATEVER, HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THAT. BUT I JUST FYI, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON. OKAY. NO. WELL SECTION TWO IMPLEMENTATION AND TRANSITION. SO THERE'S A PART A IS IMMEDIATE COMPLIANCE FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IT'S STILL REFERRING TO ANY OTHER CITY BOARD COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE. AND THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED SPECIFIC TO BUILDING AND STANDARDS. AND PNC. AND THEN THEREFORE B SECTION TWO B BECOMES NON NOT APPLICABLE. THAT CAN BE EDITED OUT. THE PHASE COMPLIANCE OR OTHER BODIES. WE DON'T NEED THAT THEN. WELL MR. BENFIELD THAT'S RIGHT. JUST JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT COMMENT PHASE APPROACH MEANS, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS A ORIGINAL DESIRE AT LEAST TO REQUIRE PEOPLE ON THE BSE OR THE PNC TO TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY. IT WOULD JUST PHASE OUT AS THEIR TERMS CAME DUE, BUT THAT WOULD THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE BOA EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY OR EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST. OKAY. SO THEN TWO B IS STILL STAYS, BUT IT NEEDS TO THEN BE SPECIFIC TO BSE AND P AND Z THEN RIGHT. NOT TO ANY OTHER CITY BOARD COMMISSIONER COMMITTEE. SO OKAY, SO I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE EDIT IS THAT FOR. FOR B, I BELIEVE THAT SHE IS STATING THAT IT NEEDS TO ONLY WHERE IT SAYS OTHER BODIES.

IT NEEDS TO REFER TO THE BSE AND PNC. I THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE FIRST LINE OF THAT PARAGRAPH IN TWO B BRAD CURRENTLY SAYS CONCURRENT SERVICE ON OTHER CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS OR COMMITTEES. IT SHOULD SAY CONCURRENT SERVICE ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND BUILDING AND STANDARDS. OKAY, MAY I CONTINUE? YEP. MAY CONTINUE. WELL, THE REST OF THE PARAGRAPH PHASE. YEAH. PHASE COMPLIANCE IS PHASED. RIGHT. SO THE CONCURRENT SERVICE ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND BUILDING AND STANDARDS MAY CONTINUE THROUGH THE EXPIRATION.

SO TWO A SAYS IF IT'S A CONFLICT ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FIX IT IMMEDIATELY TO B SAYS IF IT'S A CONFLICT ON BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND PLANNING AND ZONING, LET IT SORT ITSELF OUT OVER THE APPLICATION PROCESS. AND WE'VE ALREADY EXCLUDED ALL THE REST OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. YES. SO THIS IS MAYBE A PROCESS QUESTION, BUT BRAD'S GOT TO DO ALL THESE EDITS RIGHT. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON SOMETHING UNTIL I SEE A CLEAN VERSION OF THE DOCUMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WHAT'S HOW CITY COUNCIL TYPICALLY PROCEEDS WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WELL, WE'RE WE'RE MAKING SUBSTANTIVE ELEMENTS, EDITS I DON'T LOVE, I DON'T LOVE I MEAN, I'M AT A POINT NOW WHERE I'VE GOT A LOT OF CHICKEN SCRATCH ON HERE. SO I, YOU KNOW, AS THE SCRIVENER HERE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ITEM, I CAN MAKE THESE EDITS IN WORD, AND WE CAN TRY AND PRINT IT OUT, AND YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT LATER ON AND BRING IT BACK UP, OR TABLE IT AND DO IT ANOTHER DAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION BEFORE. SO MR. PRESIDENT, I MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT DO THIS ENTIRELY AND SEE IF THAT PASSES. IF THAT FAILS, THEN LET'S GET IT DONE RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION. THAT MY MOTION THAT WE WE LET'S SEE WHAT AGENDA ITEM GET MY MOTION CORRECT HERE. ON AGENDA ITEM 10.5 I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE THE ORDINANCE THAT'S PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.

MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR VAN NESS. ANY

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DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD, IS IT YOUR INTENTION, IF THAT WAS TO PASS, TO NOT HAVE A STANDARD POLICY, THEN WITHIN CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE THIS OVERLAP, MEANING YOU WOULD BE FULLY COMFORTABLE WITH INDIVIDUALS SERVING ON THE BOA AND THE PNC. DESPITE SOME OF THE ASSERTIONS THE CITY MADE TONIGHT. OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT DON'T PASS THE ORDINANCE, BUT LET'S HAVE A STANDING POLICY AMONGST OURSELVES TO HAVE A HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT HAVING A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING, HAVING GOOD PRACTICE, HAVING, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S TRY TO AVOID THIS. IF WE HAVE IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AVOID IT, I THINK THAT'S ALL GOOD. WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO WRITE THAT DOWN, HOW TO DOCUMENT THAT. BUT HAVING AN ORDINANCE I THINK IS A MISTAKE. MAYOR PRO TEM, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TO THAT HOWEVER WE DO IT, THERE'S A TERM AND THAT I BECAME AWARE OF AS I WAS RESEARCHING ALL THIS. IT'S CALLED INVOKE THE RULE IN TERMS OF EXCLUDING WITNESSES FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

SO TO JORDAN'S POINT, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS CAME. THERE WAS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION BEYOND, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE OKAY, SO I AM FINE AS LONG AS WE SOMEHOW SAY BY DOCUMENTED SOME HOW THAT WE DON'T, WE TRY TO KEEP THE EXCLUDED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I I'LL SAY BASED JUST BASED OFF A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE AS WELL, IS THAT MOST CITIES DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR BOA TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE. SO I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS, AS, BUT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ON THE FLY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OTHERWISE WE WOULD DEFINITELY. I'D BE WANTING TO TABLE THIS AS WELL AND COME BACK FOR IT. WELL, MR. BRANDO, FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG, BRAD, BUT THE WAY THAT COULD WORK IS EITHER YOU COULD SEND AN EMAIL OUT FOR US TO CONSIDER TONIGHT, OR WITH CONSENSUS, WE COULD AGREE ON THIS, AND THEN IT COULD JUST SIMPLY COME BACK ON THE 1ST JANUARY MEETING ON CONSENT, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT'S AN OPTION, CERTAINLY. YES. I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN I'VE GOT THE WORD DOCUMENT AND I CAN MAKE THE EDITS AS I UNDERSTAND THEM AND SEND IT OUT. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND CONTINUE THE BUSINESS. AND THEN YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT LATER AND BRING THIS ITEM BACK UP AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION. AT THAT POINT, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE IT ENOUGH TO REVIEW TONIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION, OR YOU CAN STILL TABLE IT AT THAT TIME LATER ON? ANOTHER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. LET'S DISCUSS THAT IN A MOMENT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MOTION RIGHT NOW BEFORE US. MY COMMENT ON THAT IS, YES, I DID VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION, BUT AFTER THIS ISN'T BROUGHT UP TO ME, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, MY PREFERENCE IS NOT TO KEEP STACKING ONTO OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL COULD DO ON ITS OWN. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

SO I BELIEVE THAT'S ENOUGH DISCUSSION. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR VAN NESS TO NOT APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM 10.5, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2177. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NAY. IT FAILS. THREE PASSES, 4 TO 3. YOU SAID YOU WERE A YAY. NO, I WAS FOUR. OH SORRY. BECAUSE I UNTIL I SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING. NO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF TABLING. YOU'RE VOTING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCE AT ALL. OH. WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST VOTING TO THE CLARIFICATION. I THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING TO TABLE THIS. IT'S A MOTION. OKAY. WELL, I YEAH, I'M NOT VOTING FOR THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO IT FAILS 3 TO 4. SO SINCE THAT MOTION FAILED I'M OPEN TO ANOTHER MOTION. MR. MAYOR I MOVE TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO ALLOW MR. BULLOCK AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRODUCE A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN REVIEW, AND AT THAT TIME, WE CAN CONSIDER TO GET CONSENSUS OR APPROVAL. SECOND THAT. TO CLARIFY, YOUR MOTION TO TABLE IS TO TABLE FOR WITHIN THE WITHIN THIS MEETING. OKAY. SO MR. BENNEFIELD HAS A MOTION TO TABLE WITHIN THIS MEETING SO THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN GET HIM SOMETHING BACK. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY CONVERSATION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY. NAY. MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2. AND SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT

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ITEM. ITEM I WAS GOING TO DO WAS TEN SEVEN. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION PERTAINING TO

[X.7. Discussion and possible action pertaining to City Council’s role in the confirmation process for Chief of Police of LVPD.]

CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE IN THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS FOR CHIEF OF POLICE OF LVPD, AND I HAVE COUNCILOR VANESS ON THIS. GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT. I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE, BUT YEAH, BASICALLY THE AGENDA ITEM WAS TO HAVE A FULSOME DISCUSSION OF CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE UNDER OUR CITY CHARTER, ALTHOUGH THE CITY MANAGER, OF COURSE, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONDUCTING THE HIRING AND APPOINTMENT OF THE POLICE CHIEF, IT'S SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. SO OUR CHARTER GIVES US THE RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPOINTMENT. SO I THINK WE HAVE THE INHERENT AUTHORITY TO AND RESPONSIBILITY ACTUALLY TO DISCUSS WHAT INFORMATION OR EVEN ELEMENTS OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS. WE AS A COUNCIL FEEL WE NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ONCE MR. WEST COMES WITH HIS RECOMMENDATION FOR HIRE. SO BASICALLY, I HOPE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND EXPECTATIONS AND REVIEW STEPS COUNCIL INTENDS TO USE BEFORE VOTING ON WHETHER TO CONFIRM THIS CRITICAL DEPARTMENT HEAD.

AND I ALSO THINK IT'S SUPER HELPFUL AND ADVISABLE TO HEAR FROM MR. WEST ON HIS PLAN OF ATTACK AND UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ANY GAPS BETWEEN THIS AND COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS ON SUCH A CRITICAL HIRE. NOW, THERE MAY NOT BE A SPECIFIC ACTION ITEM ARISING FROM THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I THOUGHT IT PRUDENT TO DISCUSS IT NOW IN THIS MEETING, BECAUSE MR. WEST HAS CONVEYED AN ASSERTIVE TIMELINE AND THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP. SO IT MADE SENSE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, AS A CITY AND AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, WE FACE A LOT OF CHALLENGES IN RECRUITING AND RETAINING QUALIFIED OFFICERS, INCLUDING THE CHIEF OF POLICE WITHIN THE LVPD. AND SO RECENT ISSUES WITH SPECIFIC EVENTS. AND I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR ENFORCEMENT VISIBILITY, DISPATCH AND TRAINING AND COMPENSATION FOR THAT MATTER, COMBINED WITH THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY, NECESSITATE A THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH RECRUITMENT AND SELECTION PROCESS. IN SHORT, I'M HOPING WE CAN CONFIRM A PROCESS AND CRITERIA THAT ENABLE US, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN APPROVING THE HIRING RECOMMENDATION MADE BY OUR CITY MANAGER. NOW, MR. WEST HAS MADE TWO EXCELLENT DEPARTMENT HIRES ALREADY, WHICH IS HEARTENING. SO I COMMEND HIM ON THAT AND SOMETHING THAT HE AND I HAVE ALREADY DIALOGED ON, ALONG WITH MAYOR SAM, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NONBINDING, SELECT, NONBINDING SELECTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I RECOMMEND IT, ALONG WITH SOME CITIZEN REPRESENTATION THAT WE INCLUDE TO RETIRED QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF LAGO VISTA, WHO COULD BE USED TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER DURING THE RECRUITMENT, INTERVIEW AND SELECTION PROCESS. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I'VE RECOMMENDED THESE ALREADY TO MR. WEST, AND HE'S ALREADY COMMUNICATED OUT AND HE CAN TALK TO HIS PLANS. BUT HE HAS CONFIRMED THAT HE INTENDS TO HAVE A WELL-ROUNDED SET OF ADVISORY MEMBERS ON THE PANEL. SO I THINK THEIR PARTICIPATION, ALONG WITH THE CITIZENS THAT MR. WEST SELECTS, CAN SUPPORT TRANSPARENCY, STRENGTHEN THE COMMUNITY'S TRUST IN THE PROCESS, AND PROVIDE MR. WEST AND CITY COUNCIL WITH ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVES. DURING A KEY LEADERSHIP DECISION. SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS I BROUGHT UP IS ANY ADDITIONAL MECHANISM, IF DESIRABLE, FOR GATHERING COMMUNITY OR STAKEHOLDER INPUT AND MEANING IN ADDITION TO CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVES ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OR DO WE THINK HAVING THAT CITIZEN REPRESENTATION ON THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT? POSSIBLE INCLUSION OF COUNSEL AND FINALIST INTERVIEWS IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE? I'M NOT CERTAIN IF WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WITH OTHER HIRES. I THINK MAYBE WE HAVE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS. AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR REVIEW BEFORE WE GO TO A CONFIRMATION VOTE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN GIST OF THE DISCUSSION HERE. AND THEN I'LL JUST ADD I POSTED THIS ON THE COMMUNITY BOARD, SO I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT I THINK LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX THIS TIME. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EXPAND OUR CANDIDATE POOL. ARE THERE ANY VIABLE FEMALE CANDIDATES AS ONE EXAMPLE? ARE THERE ANY VIABLE CANDIDATES WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN PD'S OF OTHER SMALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS? BUT LET'S LOOK AT BREADTH OF BACKGROUND, RIGHT? NOT JUST THEIR RANK, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE REALLY EXCELLENT COMMANDERS, LIEUTENANTS AND SERGEANTS WHO HAVE LED MAJOR REFORMS IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND COULD BE FULLY ACCEPTABLE AND QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT. AND SOME OF THE CRITERIA I'M LOOKING AT ARE THEIR LEADERSHIP AND PHILOSOPHY AND VALUES, PROVEN ABILITY TO MODERNIZE A DEPARTMENT, EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND TRAUMA INFORMED LEADERSHIP, INNOVATION AND ADAPTABILITY, COMMUNITY CO-PRODUCTION OF SAFETY, MODERN PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT AND CULTURE. BUILDING INTEGRITY IN

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THE FACE OF POLITICAL PRESSURE, MEANING STANDING UP TO CITY MANAGERS AND COUNCIL SOMETIMES IF THEY DON'T AGREE, AND THEN BEING A GOOD TO LEVERAGE AND ESTABLISH GOOD EXTERNAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH BOTH LOCAL AND NATIONAL GROUPS, STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION AND PUBLIC PRESENCE. AND THEN, AS I SAID, BREADTH OF BACKGROUND. NOW, LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR I'M NOT DISPARAGING OUR CURRENT POLICE FORCE. AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, MY SPOUSE IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT VETERAN, 28 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOW RETIRED, BUT STILL DOING THE WORK, STILL GOING OUT THERE CONSULTING AND WORKING WITH AGENCIES ALL OVER THE STATE AS WELL AS NATIONALLY.

AND I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO ARE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BOTH ACTIVE DUTY AND RETIRED. SO NOT DISPARAGING ANYTHING GOING ON ON A POLICE DEPARTMENT TODAY, BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU DESERVE GREAT LEADERSHIP, AND WE NEED TO LOOK FROM SOUP TO NUTS AS WELL. IN THE DEPARTMENT, GENERAL ORDERS AND SOPS THROUGH TO TRAINING AND PROVIDING MORE RESOURCES AND TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, COMPENSATION. SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED A FULL REVIEW, AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A MORE FULSOME DISCUSSION OF THAT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS. BUT I DO SUPPORT YOU GUYS. I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A REALLY GREAT LEADER IN FOR OUR PD. SO I'LL CONCLUDE THERE. THANK YOU. TO HEAR FROM MR. WEST. YES. OH, I THINK COUNCILPERSON VAN NESS PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT THERE. YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE POLICE CHIEF, NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM MY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE VERY CRITICAL DEPARTMENT HEADS. I MEAN, I HAVE I SEE FIVE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT SIX. SORRY, ERIC, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HAVING BEEN AN OFFICER AND HAD MY LICENSE FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS NOW. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A SPECIAL PLACE FOR ME, AND IT'S A VERY ONE THAT I HAVE A LOT OF. I'M GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP IN THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE POLICE DEPARTMENTS GET A BAD NAME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN KICKED SO MUCH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PART OF THAT REASON. ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I CAME OUT OF IS RECENTLY JUST HAD AN OFFICER ARRESTED, AND THAT REALLY I DON'T LIKE THAT. I MEAN, YOU CANNOT HAVE BAD APPLES IN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND IT ALL COMES BACK FROM LEADERSHIP. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON LEADING THAT DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE. SO THE SELECTION FOR THE POLICE CHIEF IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE STRINGENT. EVEN THOUGH I'VE HAD PRETTY STRINGENT ON MY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, THIS ONE IS GOING TO GET A LOT MORE SCRUTINY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ME BEING INVOLVED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE POSITION ITSELF AND THE PUBLIC FACING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS. BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE REFLECTION OF YOUR STAFF AND YOUR OFFICERS, IT ALL STARTS WITH WHOEVER'S LEADING THAT DEPARTMENT. AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS ONE RIGHT. AND MY GOAL IS TO DO THE SELECTION PROCESS, GET THE TOP THREE CANDIDATES, AND THEN HAVE A MEET AND GREET AND LET THEM MEET WITH THE CITIZENS AND STAFF AND OFFICERS AND KIND OF DO A PUBLIC INTERVIEW SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE CITY MANAGER SELECTION PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS A POSITION THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY PUBLIC FACING. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU, MR. WEST. BEFORE I GO TO OTHER COMMENTS, JUST TO KIND OF FURTHER SET THE TABLE, THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM TO THE PROCESS OF HIRING THE POLICE CHIEF. WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN, A STRATEGIC WORK PLAN COMING UP LATER, WHERE WE WILL GET MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT EACH DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM ON THE OVERALL POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I JUST ASK THE COMMENTS. STAY VERY FOCUSED ON THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF THE HIRING. AND HOPEFULLY IF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN LAID OUT BY MR. WEST AND COUNCILOR VAN NESS, I DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. I WILL ADMIT, WHEN THIS AGENDA FIRST HIT, I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO TAKE THE PROCESS AWAY FROM ME. ON HIRING, I TALKED TO COUNCILPERSON VAN NESS AND MAYOR SOM, AND WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS PROCESS IS TRYING TO DO. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I PRESENT TO THEM A CANDIDATE, THEY HAVE A WAY TO ENSURE THAT IS THE RIGHT CANDIDATE FOR THE POSITION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? MR. FRANK? REALLY SIMPLY. SO WHEN WE HIRED THE

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LAST POLICE CHIEF, WERE YOU WERE YOU ON COUNCIL FOR THAT? SO I WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT WAS HERE FOR THAT. I GUESS WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT WAS CITY MANAGER CONDUCTED A SEARCH AND BROUGHT, I THINK, THREE NAMES. I THINK THERE WERE THREE. HOWEVER, ONE OF THOSE THREE BACKED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND TWO OF THEM CAME FOR A PUBLIC MEET AND GREET IN INTERACTION WITH COUNCIL AND PUBLIC AND COUNCIL OVERWHELMINGLY PREFERRED ONE OF THOSE TWO CANDIDATES, AND THAT CANDIDATE OPTED OUT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO STRENGTH OF THE FINAL THREE. I DON'T BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS INVOLVED IN THE SEARCH AT ALL.

WINNOWING DOWN TO THE FINAL THREE. AND SO I WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE WITH SOME SUBSET OF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW. AND CLEARLY MISS VENICE HAS A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF HER RELATIONSHIPS THERE. SO PERHAPS HER AND 1 OR 2 OTHERS BEING ENGAGED IN THE IN THE SEARCH PROCESS SO THAT THERE'S AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF VISIBILITY EARLIER ON. BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THINGS, THE WAY MR. WEST HAS LAID OUT HIS PLANS. MR. BENNEFIELD OKAY, I SUPPORT THIS 99.8%. EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE LAID OUT, I AGREE WITH 100%. THE ONLY POINT TWO I DON'T AGREE WITH IS THE POSSIBLE ACTION, AND THE ONLY REASON I DON'T AGREE WITH THE POSSIBLE ACTION IS BECAUSE THAT DOES TAKE THE AUTHORITY AWAY FROM THE CITY MANAGER. THIS BY THE CHARTER, THIS THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE FULL RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO HIRE OR DO THE PROCESS HOWEVER THEY DEEM NECESSARY. BUT I DO LOVE THE DISCUSSION OF PROVIDING HIM THE GUIDANCE SO THAT BY THE TIME HE COMES TO US WITH HIS FINAL SELECTION, HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THE CRITERIAS ARE GOING TO BE. AND SO THAT THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS VERY SMOOTH. SO I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE. I SUPPORTED 100%, 99.8%. IT WAS JUST THE ACTION PART THAT, YOU KNOW. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ON THE ON THE COMMITTEE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE COMMITTEE. AS LONG AS THAT'S BEING AT CHARLES'S DIRECTION, HE GETS TO CHOOSE IT. HE GETS TO SELECT IT. AS LONG AS THE WHOLE PROCESS IS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION, AND THEN HE HAS THE GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR OR WANT, SO THAT IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROCESS TO WHERE HE COMES TO US AND SAYS, THIS IS MY INDIVIDUAL, AND WE CAN JUST SAY, WOW, YOU DID PERFECT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU LAID OUT HERE. IT WAS JUST THE ACTION PART THAT HAD ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. SO I APPRECIATE CHARLES CLARIFYING THAT DURING THE INITIAL DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND IF I MAY. YEAH. AGREED. AND SO POSSIBLE ACTION WAS MORE IF IN MY MIND IF CITY COUNCIL DETERMINED WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF AN OUTPUT DOCUMENT MEMORIALIZING WHAT WE MAY HAVE ALL DISCUSSED AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND A POLICE CHIEF, OR IF WE HAVE ANY KIND OF SUGGESTIONS FOR CHARLES OR RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THE THE PROCESS ITSELF, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOR US TO DIRECT OR TAKE PART IN ANY PART OF THE PROCESS.

AND CHARLES AND I DIALOGED ON THAT WHEN HE SAW MY AGENDA ITEM. SO I PROBABLY COULD HAVE WORDED IT BETTER, BUT THE ACTION ITEM WOULD BE IF CITY COUNCIL FEELS WE NEED TO MEMORIALIZE ANYTHING, IT'S NOT TO DIRECT CHARLES TO ANY PURPOSE. SO I THINK YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. IT WAS JUST MY ONLY CONCERN NOT HAVING TALKED TO YOU. YEAH. GOTCHA. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I WOULD WANT TO ADD TOO IS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PROCESS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS ALWAYS THAT YOU'RE HIRING WITHIN AS WELL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF THERE ARE ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND AND HAVE A COUPLE WORDS ON THAT. MAYOR MR. CHARLES HAS BEEN DOING HE'S BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB OF HOW HE'S BEEN FAIR WITH EVERYTHING AND DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. SO I KNOW SOME OF OUR OFFICERS ARE CALLING DID APPLY FOR THIS POSITION. SO THERE WILL BE SEVERAL. YEAH. SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. I WILL MENTION ONE CONCERN. I NOTICED THE POSTING ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND NOTICED SEVERAL QUALIFICATIONS THAT WOULD PRECLUDE ALMOST THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE HERE, SO THAT WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ALL THE APPLICANTS APPLY THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AND MOVE PEOPLE UP, BUT THE AS WRITTEN FOR THE APPLICATION, WHERE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE, YOU'VE ACTUALLY EXCLUDED 95% OF YOUR YOUR POLICE FORCE. I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THEY USED THE PREVIOUS

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POSTING. BUT I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THAT.

MAYOR. MAYOR TOM. I ALSO NOTICED ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS, AND SO I DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF ELABORATING ON THE ON THE COUNCIL FORUM, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE COUNCIL FORUM. I SO APPRECIATED THAT DIALOG WITH ALL OF US PUTTING STUFF ON THERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE END, COUNCIL MEMBER VENICE, WE YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF ENCAPSULATING ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS AND WISHES FOR OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF. SO I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT AND I DO LIKE THE APPROACH. I APPRECIATED THAT YOU WORKED WITH CHARLES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR IN TERMS OF, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE OVER WHAT HE DOES. THANK YOU FOR THAT, LIEUTENANT. COUNCIL MAYOR, I'M LIEUTENANT THOMAS RULES. I'M ONE OF THE NEWEST PATROL LIEUTENANTS. WE HAVE CHIEF OPERATIONS. LIEUTENANT. MISS AVERY ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A SOLID POINT. SO WHENEVER THE POSTING WAS PLACED, I WAS ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTED IN APPLYING MYSELF. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE SPECIFIC WORDING OF THE POSTING, I WASN'T GOING TO APPLY. I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO BUILD A STRONG POLICE FORCE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HIRE FROM WITHIN. AND BY DOING THE POST I DID, IT EXCLUDED ALMOST EVERYBODY THAT WANTED APPLY WITHIN. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT POINT TO THAT. THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO BE MADE. WE WISH FOR THAT TO BE LOOKED AT. THANK YOU SIR. WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS.

COLLEGE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. THAT IN OF ITSELF, THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY GROW ON AND EXPAND ON. IF YOU PUT THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO YOUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS CAN BE MADE FOR EDUCATION. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE IN IT. BUT IF THE CHANCE WAS GIVEN TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE MASTER'S DEGREE, THAT'S FINE. LONG STANDING. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO SAYING, IN TWO YEARS I NEED TO HAVE AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE? FOUR YEARS I NEED TO HAVE A BACHELOR'S, SIX YEARS. I HAVE MY MASTER'S.

YOU ARE PUTTING INTO ME AS FAR AS MY EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. I'M PUTTING BACK INTO THE CITY WITH THAT LOYALTY. THAT WOULD BE MY POINT TO THAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. MR. MAYOR.

COUNCIL. FRANK, I'VE BEEN A DETECTIVE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE JUNE OF 2014, AND I'M RECENTLY PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT. I PERSONALLY DO NOT PLAN TO APPLY FOR THE POSITION, BUT I WILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT ANY ONE OF THESE THREE. HAVING BEEN INVOLVED PERSONALLY IN THE LAST HIRING PROCESS THAT WE DID FOR THE CHIEF CHIEF'S POSITION, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DID NOT TURN OUT AT ALL WITH THE WAY THE COMMITTEE VOTED AND ANY OF THE INPUT THAT WAS GIVEN AT THE TIME WITH THE PREVIOUS. PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED, SUCH AS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COMPANY THAT WAS HIRED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROCESS, NO INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS HEARD, AND THEY WENT THE WAY THEY WENT. AND NOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT AGAIN. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ECHO WHAT LIEUTENANT COLONEL SAID AS FAR AS THE QUALIFICATION PROCESS.

AGAIN, I DO NOT PLAN TO APPLY, BUT I WILL 100% STAND BEHIND ANY ONE OF THESE THREE MEN BACK HERE. PERSONALLY, I'VE WORKED WITH CAPTAIN CRANE FOR THREE YEARS AS A DIRECT REPORT TO HIM, AND SEB AND I WOULD FOLLOW HIM THROUGH THE MUD REGARDLESS. WELL, NOW, ASSISTANT CHIEF FRANCO, HE WAS MY PATROL SERGEANT. HE WAS MY PATROL LIEUTENANT, AND NOW HE'S MY ASSISTANT CHIEF. I WOULD BACK HIM REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED. I JUST NEED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. TO KNOW THAT PUBLICLY. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK, SIR? MAY I ASK SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE, SO THERE WERE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PD THAT WERE PART OF THE SEARCH COMMITTEE. OKAY. BUT YOU FELT LIKE THE INPUT YOU GUYS PROVIDED HAD WERE DISREGARDED OR NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION MYSELF. AND I WON'T NAME THE OTHER THE OTHER OFFICER. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THEM IF THEY DECIDE TO DO SO. WE GAVE THEM CERTAIN INFORMATION AFTER THE INTERVIEW WERE COMPLETED THAT BASICALLY SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO LEAD. AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. IT TURNED OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY DIDN'T LISTEN.

WE KNEW INDIVIDUALS AND HAD TALKED TO INDIVIDUALS THAT WORKED WITH THE CHIEF THAT WAS PICKED AFTER THE ONE PULLED HIMSELF OUT OF THE RUNNING, AND THE OTHER ONE WOULDN'T COMMIT TO THE FIVE YEAR TERM THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR. WE ENDED UP WITH SOMEBODY WHO WAS JUST ON THE LIST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE PROCESS AGAIN. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP FOR THIS EITHER. AGAIN, I THINK WE DISCUSSED WE DIDN'T

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NECESSARILY NEED ACTION ON THIS ONE. CORRECT? YEP. SO IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION THEN I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. ALL RIGHT. I WILL JUMP BACK TO 9.1 DISCUSSION AND

[IX.1. Discussion and workshop on preparing the City of Lago Vista Strategic Work Plan for Fiscal Year 2025-2026.]

WORKSHOP ON PREPARING THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA STRATEGIC WORK PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND 2026. AND THIS WAS MY ITEM THAT I PUT ON THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DO A WORK PLAN EVERY YEAR.

MR. PRINCE, YOU'VE GOT THE MOST EXPERIENCE DOING IT. MY INPUT I ALREADY PUT OUT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD WHAT I'VE SORT OF ASKED STAFF AND OTHERS. I MY HOPE IS, IS IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DETAILED QUARTERLY PLAN FROM EACH DEPARTMENT. I'D LIKE TO SEE TRUE GOALS FOR US TO REACH OUT TO. I UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY, SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME VERY OVERARCHING GOALS AND DESIRES, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE TO THE CITY, ETC. I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR YOU TO BE VERY REALISTIC OF WHAT DO YOU THINK IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN TRULY GET DONE IN 2025 AND 2026. AND IF YOU READ MY DISCUSSION BOARD YESTERDAY, YOU'VE ALREADY KNOWN THAT I THINK THAT WATER IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT'S FACING THE CITY AFTER THIS WEEKEND, I THINK EVEN MORE SO. AND I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, MINDFUL THAT THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FACING THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT THAT PROBLEM IS ACTUALLY GROWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. I THINK THE PREVIOUS PLAN ON BOTH OF THE EXPANSIONS, ESPECIALLY THE DRINKING WATER ONE, I THINK MAYBE I MISPERCEIVED IT, BUT TO ME IT WAS WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONE GOING FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. BUT I THINK WHAT I SAW THIS WEEKEND IS I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CRITICAL THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A LONG TERM BACKUP TO WATER TREATMENT PLANT THREE. AND I THINK WHEN THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS HERE, THEY ALSO SUGGESTED TO US AS THEY SAW THE PLANT, WHY WOULDN'T YOU GUYS PUT IN A REHAB PROJECT THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR THAT FUNDING, AS WELL? AS THEY EASILY SAW THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT. AND SO KNOWING THAT WE HAVE ONGOING CURRENT MAINTENANCE ISSUES. RIGHT. I SAW OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, BUSTING THEIR BUTT AND, YOU KNOW, WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONE IS WORKING AGAINST US. THE LACK OF MAPPING IS WORKING AGAINST US. THE SOME OF THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE IS WORKING AGAINST US. I WANT US TO BE REALISTIC. YES, WE HAVE LOFTY GOALS, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON NEEDS OVER WANTS. AND SOMETIMES IN THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE HAVING TO PRIORITIZE SOME NEEDS OVER OTHER NEEDS. YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TEN REALLY SIGNIFICANT NEEDS, BUT 2 OR 3 OF THOSE NEEDS ARE SO IMPORTANT AND SO HARD AND SO LABOR INTENSIVE THAT THAT IS GOING TO CONSUME SO MUCH OF OUR TIME. SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO GIVE THAT CAVEAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WHEN I DO THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I JUST WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO IN Q1 TWO, THREE AND FOUR. CLEARLY EMERGENCY ITEMS WILL POP UP AND WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON IT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE PUT LESS FLUFF IN THIS, AND IT'S A REALISTIC PLAN. AND I SPELLED OUT WHAT'S IN MINE. SOME OF THOSE ITEMS CAN CLEARLY CHANGE THE WAY I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO GO. IS EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ARE WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO Y'ALL IN 2026 THAT YOU REALISTICALLY THINK WE CAN DO AND REALLY KIND OF STATE IT IN A WAY THAT TO OUR DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE GOING TO GO WORK ON THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS AND BRING THAT BACK TO US IN JANUARY. AND I'M HOPING BY THE END OF JANUARY, MAYBE EARLY FEBRUARY, WE ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE THIS. WE CERTAINLY CAN DO IT QUICKER IF WE'RE USING THE DISCUSSION BOARD. YOU KNOW, I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME GOING ON THE DETAILS OF MINE BECAUSE I ALREADY WROTE IT OUT THERE, BUT AT LEAST SO OUR STAFF CAN KNOW, MY EXPECTATION WAS NOT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A COMPLETED STRATEGIC PLAN COMING IN TODAY. IT'S THAT YOU GET GUIDANCE THAT YOU NEED FROM US. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, IF EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ARE HERE WANT TO COME UP AND KIND OF TELL US A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU THINK WE CAN REALISTICALLY GET DONE THAT COULD MAYBE HELP SHAPE THIS. AND I KNOW THIS MORNING, IF YOU GUYS DID NOT ALREADY SEE THE EMAIL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID PROVIDE A VERY DETAILED, VERY GOOD STRATEGIC PLAN. SO YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MAYOR, I CAN TELL YOU DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS ONE, PUBLIC WORKS HAS ONE. PARKS HAS ONE. I BELIEVE GOLF HAS ONE AND LIBRARY HAS ONE. ERIC I THINK ERIC'S WORKING ON ONE TOO, BECAUSE I'VE VISITED WITH HIM THIS WEEK. SO I THINK I THINK WE HAVE THEM ALL. WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THEY ALL GAVE ME WHAT I ASKED FOR. I ASKED THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OUR STAFF MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT'S REALISTIC AND ACHIEVABLE, AND THEY'VE ALL CAME TO THE TABLE WITH THAT, AND THEY'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT. IF Y'ALL WANT TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT OR HOWEVER Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED AS COUNCIL. JUST I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, FOLKS. I JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU TO CHECK YOUR EMAILS. IF YOU HADN'T ALREADY. DID I SEND OUT THE REDLINE AND CLEAN VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE? THANK YOU. AND I JUST REPLY TO YOU. OKAY, MR. PRINCE MICHELLE, I LIKE WHAT YOU STARTED ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. MAYOR. I THINK IT'S GOOD. I WE HAD EARLY IN MY TENURE, THE CITY HAD A WORK PLAN, WHICH WAS JUST SORT OF A LAUNDRY LIST, AND THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WE COULD REALLY HAD A COUNCIL LEVEL EFFECTIVELY TRACK THAT AND USE IT TO MANAGE

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THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS REALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF THE WORK PLAN, IN MY VIEW. AND, AND I THINK OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, IT'S GOTTEN BETTER AT BEING SIMPLER, BUT IT STILL HAS TOO MUCH LAUNDRY LIST STUFF IN IT. SO FOR ME, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE QUARTERLY DELIVERABLES, BUT LET'S NOT AT A CITY WORK PLAN. LET'S NOT GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS. AND WHILE I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A MULTI-PAGE PLAN AND THAT'S REALLY SUPER HELPFUL, I THINK WHAT WE WANT IN OUR CITY WORK PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE THE PLAN THAT THE, THE FOLKS FROM PD SENT OUT. I WILL, BUT IF THAT CAN BE BOILED DOWN TO SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, THAT CAN BE SOMEHOW GRADED. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE STRATEGIC THE. THE TYPICAL WAY TO DO GOALS THAT ARE THAT ARE HELPFUL IS TO HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, BE SPECIFIC AND MEASURABLE AND ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE ACRONYM IS YOU GUYS ALL PROBABLY KNOW. SO LET'S MAKE IT THAT WAY. MAKE SURE THAT THESE GOALS ARE VERY SPECIFICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS QUARTER WE INTEND TO DO X AND IT NEEDS TO BE MEASURABLE.

IF ONLY 80% OF X GOT DONE RIGHT, THEN THEN WE CAN REPORT THAT WAY. SO KEEP IT SIMPLE. KEEP IT SPECIFIC. KEEP IT MEASURABLE. AND I THINK THAT'LL BE GREAT. I DO REALLY APPRECIATE A COUPLE OF THE POINTS THAT COUNCILOR VANESSA MADE IN THE DISCUSSION BOARD, WHICH I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS AROUND PARKS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO CITIZENS IN ALL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSIONS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, PARKS AND TRAILS ARE A REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL TO OUR CITIZENS. WHILE I AGREE THAT WATER IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DEAL THAT WE NEED TO BE MANAGING, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SPEND MOST OF OUR MONEY TO OUR CITIZENS, PARKS AND TRAILS ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO WE NEED SOME SOME VERY MEATY THINGS IN IN THOSE, IN THOSE FRONTS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FOR TONIGHT, WE KEEP THE DISCUSSION AT A QUALITATIVE LEVEL AND MAYBE MAKE SOME POINTS THAT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS CARE ABOUT, AND THEN LET STAFF GO OFF AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH THE OUTLINE THAT YOU'VE CREATED, MAYOR, AND BRING THAT BACK TO US FOR. FOR MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR. YES, SIR. SO I'VE GOT KIND OF MY LIST, IF YOU WILL, OF TOP 5 OR 6, WHICH I'LL PUT THE FULL SET ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE HIRING PROCESS. AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND RECOVERY PLANNING REALLY CRITICAL I KNOW THAT'S AN ITEM. THE MAYOR WATER MANAGEMENT, BOTH OUR WATER TREATMENT AND WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO WATER RESOURCES AND CONTINUING SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AROUND CONSERVATION AND COORDINATION WITH ADJACENT COMMUNITIES AND THE RELEVANT AGENCIES. THE OTHER KEY PIECE FOR ME IS TO UPDATE AND COMPLETE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE STARTED THAT PROCESS AND IT'S KIND OF STALLED OUT A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE GOT SOME ASSIGNMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO PNC ON LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND THE FLUME RECOMMENDATIONS, AND ALSO TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO HAVE THAT AS A PRIORITY THIS YEAR TO GET IT DONE. WE'VE ALREADY HAD, I THINK, SUBSTANTIAL AND SUFFICIENT CITIZEN INPUT THROUGH SURVEYS AND TOWN HALLS, AND WE CAN ALWAYS UPDATE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TO GO ON. NOW IT'S TIME TO KIND OF CRUNCH TIME TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT AND MAKE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PLAN. SO WE'RE ALL HAPPY WITH IT AND CAN USE IT AS A TOOL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, PARKS AND TRAILS, COUNCILOR PRINCE SAID. AND THEN I ALSO MENTIONED AN AI POLICY. WE NEED TO DEVELOP AN A POLICY FOR CITY AND FOR COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT FALLS UNDER OTHER TECHNOLOGY RELATED PRIORITIES THAT THE MAYOR IDENTIFIED. AND THEN I'LL JUST MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE JUST HAVING MANAGED BOTH SMALL BUSINESS UNITS AND ENTIRE BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS, IT YOU CAN TYPICALLY ACHIEVE MAYBE 3 TO 5 BIG INITIATIVES IN A YEAR, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT TO REALLY KEEP IT SIMPLE. I THINK FOR CITY COUNCIL IT COULD BE THAT HERE'S OUR FIVE, OUR HANDFUL 5 OR 6 MOST CRITICAL THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO MONITOR CAREFULLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND AND REALLY HOLD HOLD YOU GUYS TO ACHIEVING. AND THEN WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT, I PROBABLY I WOULD ASK YOU TO IDENTIFY YOUR TOP THREE TO MAYBE TOP FIVE MAX KEY OBJECTIVES FOR THE YEAR. AND THEN LET'S TIMELINE THEM OUT QUARTER BY QUARTER. AND THEN, AS COUNCILOR PRINCE SUGGESTS, AND HIS COUNCILOR OWEN HAS BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF, LET'S COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A DASHBOARD SYSTEM. SO IT MAKES THE REPORTING TO BOTH COUNCIL AND TO OUR CITIZENS A LOT MORE TRANSPARENT AND MAYBE EASIER FOR YOU GUYS. WE'LL HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT YOU GUYS CAN USE TO UPDATE US ON WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, CADENCE WE THINK MAKES SENSE. SOME SOME THINGS MIGHT

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BE MONTHLY. SOME THINGS COULD BE QUARTERLY EVERY SIX MONTHS DEPENDING ON IT. BUT ANYWAYS, JUST A FEW POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM. SO JUST TO ADD THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION AND I AM ALL ABOUT SIMPLIFYING AND THE FEW TOP GOALS. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IS THAT WE'VE DONE THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT THEN THE REPORTING WAS MUCH MORE OF A NARRATIVE. WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A SENSE OF PROGRESS. AND SO I PLACED ON HERE. IF I WERE TO TAKE THE FIVE THAT I HAD, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. AND THAT IS THE OF COURSE, THE GIS BASED CIP DASHBOARD PROCESS THAT GOES TO SPEAKING TO OUR CIP PROJECTS, EVEN THE STREET PROJECTS. WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHERE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINES? NOT SPECIFIC DATES, BUT SEASONS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THAT ALSO APPLIES TO I HAVE DOWN HERE A CITY HEALTH DASHBOARD. SO I'M GOING TO GO TO THOSE TOP FIVE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER OUR CITY HEALTH DASHBOARD IN TERMS OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN MOVING FORWARD. AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, RED, YELLOW, GREEN. WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS? THAT SHOWING OF THAT MOVEMENT. AND SO I HAVE I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF POINT ONE THING OUT. I KNOW DURING THE PROCESS OF THE LVPD THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT AND AND RESURRECT SOME OF THE STATISTICS THAT Y'ALL WERE PUTTING OUT EARLIER, THE LAST ONE, I THINK WE HAD THE CUTE LITTLE INFOGRAPHIC, YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAY. ET CETERA. SO I DID HAPPEN TO SEE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THAT Y'ALL PUT FORWARD, BASICALLY PUTTING THE TOOLS TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO AND THE PERSONNEL TO BRING THAT FORWARD. SO ON THAT ONE IS REALLY SIMPLE TIMELINE. AND THEN HOW ARE WE PROGRESSING IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO RED, YELLOW, GREEN. SO JUST AS A AS, AS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS. LASTLY I AM GOING TO JUST PLUG ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE LONG RANGE CASH FLOW AND INFRASTRUCTURE MODELING. AS MAYOR, AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT, AND ALL THE COUNCILORS HAVE STATED UP HERE, OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST A PARAMOUNT. WE'RE REALLY IN THE MIDST OF TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON NOT ONLY THE GROWTH THAT WE NEED TO GET READY FOR, BUT ALSO THE REPAIRS THAT ARE DUE RIGHT NOW. AND I REALLY FEEL THAT HAVING A TOOL NOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'VE CREATED A TOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROJECT, BUT I THINK THE CITY NEEDS ITS OWN TOOL TO BE ABLE TO PROJECT ON AN ONGOING BASIS BASED ON CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. I THE REPAIRS THAT YOU HAD TO DO RECENTLY OR NOT. SO. AND SO THAT GOES WITH I THINK YOUR TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS UPDATES THAT YOU ARE ALREADY PROJECTING. AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S MY KEY ITEMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. AVERILL. I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY HIT ON ON THE MAJORITY OF EVERY PROBLEM THAT I CAN EVEN THINK OF. BUT I WILL SAY THAT ONE THING THAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE RECEIVED FROM LVPD TODAY INCLUDE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALL LOOKING FOR METRICS, AND THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC IN HERE ON THEIR ON THEIR STRATEGY. AND I HOPE THAT EACH DEPARTMENT WILL FOLLOW THAT AND BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO US QUARTERLY AS TO WHAT THE WHERE THEY'RE LEVELING AT ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, REGULAR GREENS. GREAT. I'M A NUMBERS PERSON. I LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW WE'RE AT 60% COMPLETION AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE 40%. BUT COMPLETION RATES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. AND THEN IF THERE IS A ISSUE I WANT TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT QUICKLY. I DON'T WANT TO BE SURPRISED AT A QUARTERLY THING. YOU KNOW, IT'S SAY WE HAVE ISSUES WITH BUDGETING. LIKE I WAS SAYING, WE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY FINANCIAL HEALTH OR THE CITY DASHBOARD. HEALTH DASHBOARD WOULD BE A WONDERFUL TOOL. BUT ALSO, I THINK AS A DEPARTMENT, I KNOW THAT CHARLES IS, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF A LOT OF THAT, AND THESE THINGS GET REPORTED TO HIM A LOT. BUT SOMETIMES WE GET THESE SURPRISES, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD THAT SAYS, OH, WELL, REMEMBER THAT THING THAT WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT? WE NEED WE NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT. AND SO I THINK METRICS, THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND JUST KEEPING ON TOP OF THAT

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QUARTERLY IS, IS WHERE I'M, I'M AT, I'M, I'M A RESEARCHER. AND SO NUMBERS DATA TABLES METRICS IT'S ALL IT'S ALL IT'S ALL WHERE I'M GEARED FOR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD. I'M GOOD DISCUSSIONS. BEEN GREAT. MR. HALL, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ON NARROWING IT DOWN AND FOCUSING ON THREE, THREE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TRACK. AND SO I, I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. THERE ARE I ALSO DO NOT HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE. SO THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. CAN I JUST ASK? PROBABLY A DUMB QUESTION, BUT THE POLICE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS SENT, WHERE IS THAT LOCATED? IN AN EMAIL THIS MORNING. OKAY, I DIDN'T SEE THE EMAIL. SO YEAH. OKAY. THIS MORNING ABOUT 1230 OKAY. I'LL LOOK FOR IT AND WE'LL EMAIL YOU THE OTHER ONES FROM PUBLIC WORKS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PARK. I HAVE THEM ALL IN MY EMAILS. I WAS JUST GOING TO LET THEM PRESENT AND DISCUSS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE IT IS. I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF THE ITEMS Y'ALL HAVE HIT ON ARE THE SAME ITEMS THAT WE'RE ALREADY ADDRESSING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THE STATE ACTUALLY IS REQUIRING US TO DEVELOP AN AI POLICY. SO I'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DYER. THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT, AND I HAVEN'T DECIDED IF I'M A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT OR WHAT, BUT I SIGNED UP FOR A CLASS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AI AND MACHINE LEARNING, AND IT'S TURNED INTO A LOT OF WORK. BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DEAL, IT'S GOING TO BE WORTH THE INVESTMENT AND HELP US IN THE LONG RUN. MOVING FORWARD, OUR PLAN IS TO NOT ONLY HAVE MONTHLY REPORTS, BUT A QUARTERLY BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING, BECAUSE BY LAW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE YOU A QUARTERLY FINANCIAL BREAKDOWN OF ALL OF OUR INVESTMENTS. SO AT THAT SAME MEETING, WE WILL BE GIVING YOU A QUARTERLY REPORT OF ALL OF OUR WHERE WE'RE AT AND ALL OF OUR METRICS AS FAR AS OUR STRATEGIC PLANS AND ALL THIS DEVELOPED. YEAH, I MEAN, I ONLY GOT TO SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO JUST I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE ONE THAT YOU ALL PUT OUT AND IT WAS HIT. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO COVER EVEN HAS SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE STUFF, LIKE THE CHAPLAIN. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND SO JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUTTING THAT FORWARD AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY ELSE'S. SINCE, I DON'T KNOW, I NEED SOMEBODY TO START MY VEHICLE BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME UPSET DEPARTMENT HEADS SINCE THEY DID ALL THIS WORK AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING TO PRESENT TONIGHT. OH, WELL, WE'LL GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEXT MEETING.

AND I ACTUALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE, WHENEVER CHARLES SIGNS OFF ON IT, IT'S COMPLETED. PLEASE USE THE DISCUSSION BOARD. THAT WAS ALWAYS MY HOPE THAT THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD START USING THE DISCUSSION BOARD TO AND GIVE COUNSEL AS MUCH TIME

[IX.2. Discussion regarding City Council’s preferred approach to policing and provision of general direction to the City Manager and Interim Chief of Police consistent with Council consensus.]

AS POSSIBLE TO GO THROUGH YOUR STUFF, AND NOT JUST THE ONE WEEK BEFORE COUNCIL MEETINGS.

OKAY, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO 9.2 DISCUSSION REGARDING CITY COUNCIL'S PREFERRED APPROACH TO POLICING AND PROVISION OF GENERAL DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE, CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL CONSENSUS. AND I HAVE MR. BENEFIELD. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE. THE HOPE AND THE DESIRE OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS NOT TO OVERLAP WITH ANY OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, BUT RATHER JUST RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE MANY EMAILS THAT I GET REGARDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I'M GOING TO READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER BACKGROUND, AND THEN I'LL JUST QUICKLY SUMMARIZE THE REST OF EVERYTHING. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PLAYS A CENTRAL ROLE IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, QUALITY OF LIFE AND COMMUNITY TRUST. IN LAGO VISTA, THERE HAVE BEEN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW OFFICERS SHOULD PRIORITIZE THEIR TIME AND ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS, MEANING THE BALANCE BETWEEN VISIBILITY, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, RESPONSE TO CALLS FOR SERVICE, EXPECTATIONS, FOR COMMUNICATION AND INTERACTION WITH RESIDENTS, TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION STANDARDS FOR OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT DECLINING RESPONSE TIMES. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE USED TO GET THESE REPORTS AND IT WOULD SHOW LIKE REPORT RESPONSE TIMES IS THREE MINUTES, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY THAT BECAME SIX MINUTES AND THEN THAT BECAME SEVEN MINUTES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE THE SEVEN MINUTES WAS JUST LIKE THE REALISTIC EXPECTATION ALL ALONG OR IF THERE REALLY WAS DECLINING RESPONSE TIMES. ANYWAY, THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP AS WELL AS THE REDUCTION IN REGULAR REPORTING, MEANING RECEIVING THESE WEEKLY SUMMARIES OF TRAFFIC STOPS, CODE COMPLAINTS WHICH YOU WOULDN'T DO ANYMORE, ARRESTS OR OTHER STATISTICS. GIVEN THESE DISCUSSIONS IN THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC INTEREST AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, I FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE AS A POLICY MAKING BODY TO PROVIDE GENERAL EXPECTATIONS TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND POLICE CHIEF FRANCO, SO THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT THEM OPERATIONALLY.

SOME OF THOSE MAY INCLUDE POLICING PHILOSOPHY, ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES,

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COMPLAINT AND CALL TYPES, STAFFING, TRAINING, CERTIFICATION, EVEN PHYSICAL FITNESS AND COMMUNICATION. AND THESE ARE ALL OUTLINED IN THE PACKET IF YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT READ THEM. SO THE GOAL WAS IS JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE POTENTIALLY WANT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK LIKE. TO EXPAND ON THAT PERSONALLY. YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DRIVE THROUGH JONESTOWN, IF YOU'RE GOING ONE MILE AN HOUR OVER, YOU'RE GETTING PULLED OVER. I MEAN, I'VE I'VE BEEN PULLED OVER MORE TIMES. DO NOT LOOK ME UP IN JONESTOWN. YOU KNOW. AND SO THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WHAT KIND OF POLICE DEPARTMENT WE WANT, DO WE WANT THAT KIND OF RIGIDITY, THAT KIND OF RIGID, YOU KNOW, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, LET'S ISSUE CITATIONS AND LET'S BE VERY KIND TO OUR CITIZENS AND BE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO SEE THEM OUT RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROADS? YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THE DISCUSSION WAS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR? I FELT LIKE IT WAS RELEVANT AS WE GO INTO A NEW YEAR WITH THE NEW POLICE CHIEF AND NEW HIRING, TO MAYBE SET SOME OF THOSE EXPECTATIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS? SURE.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD HAS TEED UP.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU SOMEWHAT DOVETAILS WITH THE THE HIRING AND DECISION MAKING ON A NEW POLICE CHIEF. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE DIALOGED WITH MR. WEST ON IS IN CONCURRENT WITH THE PROCESS OR RIGHT AFTER THE CHIEF IS APPOINTED OR COMES IN, IS LET'S DO A DEEPER DIVE, LET'S LEVERAGE SOME OF OUR SAME LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES THAT WE MAY USE ON THE SEARCH AND IN CONCERT WITH OUR SWORN OFFICERS AND STAFF. LET'S DO A DEEPER DIVE. AND AS I SAID, LOOK INTO EVERYTHING FROM SOUP TO NUTS. YOUR GENERAL ORDERS AND SOPS, TRAINING PRIORITIES AND IDENTIFYING RESOURCES, LOOKING AT MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP COMPENSATION, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BETTER RETAIN OUR OFFICERS AND THEN REWARD THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE FORCE FOR SO LONG? AND THEN ALSO TO MR. COUNCILOR BENEFIELD, YOU KNOW, POINT IS, WE WANT VISIBLE ENFORCEMENT. WE ALL KNOW THE ROADS WHERE PEOPLE SPEED THAT ARE SUPER DANGEROUS. SO WE WANT THAT VISIBILITY OF ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE NEED THAT KIND OF JUDGMENT AS WELL. JUDGMENT CALL ON THINGS. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS SO IMPORTANT, BOTH HERE WITHIN LAGO AND THEN REACHING OUT TO OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, STATE AND COUNTY RESOURCES, AND EVEN NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. SO MY HOPE IS MAYBE WITH THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW CHIEF, WE COULD MAYBE CONSIDER DOING THIS KIND OF A DEEPER DIVE. AND THEN MY SENSE IS, THIS IS A LOT FOR US CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EVEN BEGIN TO DISCUSS, AND WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN THIS AREA.

SO I THINK INPUT FROM OUR CURRENT SWORN OFFICERS AND STAFF AND A DEEPER DIVE, LEVERAGING LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES AND PERHAPS CITIZEN INPUT ON THIS TOO. THEY COULD THEN BRING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL THAT WE COULD THEN CONSIDER TO BE ABLE TO SET KIND OF THOSE HIGH LEVEL EXPECTATIONS AND STANDARDS THAT I THINK ARE SO IMPORTANT THAT COUNCILOR BENEFIELD IS BRINGING UP HERE. SO. I'M ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY HAPPY THAT THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA. I, TOO, HAVE BEEN RECEIVING FREQUENT EMAILS, TELEPHONE CALLS REGARDING NOT JUST TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO JUST CODE VIOLATIONS, WHICH IS NO LONGER UNDER THE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE GROWING CONCERN OF DRUG TRAFFICKING THAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR AREA.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SAY, OH, WE HAVE MUCH BIGGER FISH TO FRY. WHY ARE YOU ALL WRITING ME WARNINGS FOR ALL THIS SPEEDING WHEN I KNOW THAT MY NEIGHBOR IS COOKING METH IN THE BACKYARD, OR THERE'S FENTANYL RUNNING THROUGH HERE? AND SO I THINK COUNCIL. VANESSA, COUNCILWOMAN VANESSA'S VERY, VERY SPOT ON WHEN SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SOPS AND GETTING THIS NEW, NEW CHIEF IN HERE TO REALLY REALIGN AND REPRIORITIZE WHAT THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON, ESPECIALLY IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M GETTING WHY AM I GETTING THESE TYPES OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS? THAT IS A THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG TO ME. I'M LIKE, I'M THE WRONG PERSON TO BE CALLING FOR THAT. I MEAN, I HAVE FAMILY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IT IS AND IN THE MILITARY. AND SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH MY FRIENDS. BUT IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING WHEN THEY FEEL THAT THAT IS THE ONLY OUTLET THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING HEARD OR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD ENOUGH AGENCY TO BE ABLE TO ENACT OR ACT ON THESE CONCERNS. I THINK QUITE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, PD HAS FELT STIFLED. ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZEN COMMENT BACK AND FORTH ON DISCUSSION BOARDS, JUST REALLY, REALLY NEGATIVE PERCEPTION OF THEM. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,

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ALMOST A, A PR LIKE WHAT IS IT? A PR CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF TO REENGAGE THE CITIZENS. I MEAN, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WAS WAS GREAT, BUT I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS. AND IT MAY COME DOWN TO A TOWN HALL. WHAT DOES OUR CITY OR WHAT DO OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? DO THEY EXPECT PASSIVE OFFICERS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, LET PEOPLE SPEED UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THEN THEY COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT WANTING A SPEED REDUCTION. YOU KNOW, I WANT NOW I WANT IT TO BE 30MPH BECAUSE NOBODY'S WRITING TICKETS. OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE UPSET THAT WE ARE WRITING TICKETS NOW? AND ARE WE JUST GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE SAKE OF REVENUE? SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THIS ON HERE. AND HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET A NEW POLICE CHIEF IN, WE CAN GET THESE GOALS IN LINE AND WE'LL START SEEING BETTER OUTCOMES. SO THANK YOU ALL. I THINK MOST OF IT HAS BEEN COVERED. I'M YOU KNOW, ME GOING BACK TO POLICY LEVEL AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I DID WANT TO CONVEY, SINCE WE HAVE OUR GOT OUR FINEST RIGHT HERE, WAS THAT BY REINSTITUTING, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF VISIBILITY ON THE ON THE METRICS THAT GIVES US MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH AS TO. SOMETHING GOING WRONG, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A RESOURCE THAT WE NEED TO HELP YOU GUYS GET RIGHT TO BETTER DO WHATEVER WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND SO FOR US TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VISIBILITY, I DO AGREE. COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVARRIA YOU KNOW, BEING OUT, BE INVISIBLE. YOU KNOW, THAT DOES HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH BEING APPROACHABLE, RIGHT? JUST IN COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN VOICE THOSE CONCERNS. BUT THE OTHER WAS THE ONGOING I THINK THERE WAS NOT ONLY THE METRICS THAT WERE BEING PUT OUT IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND THROUGH OUR OUR CHANNELS, THROUGH OUR CITY WEBSITE, BUT ALSO. YEAH, THE INFOGRAPHICS WERE GREAT, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING EACH OF YOU GUYS, RIGHT? IT BECOMES MORE PERSONABLE. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. I THINK THAT HELPS THE COMMUNITY FEEL MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HELPING OUR STAFF OVERALL BE ABLE TO BE VISIBLE. I THINK THAT REALLY INCREASES ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR RESIDENTS HERE. AND THAT WAY WE CAN REALLY BUILD A REALLY COHESIVE TEAM, AND THE COMMUNITY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL ECHO A LOT OF WHAT WAS BEING SAID, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF YOU ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT'S GOING ON. AND I THINK THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT YOU GAVE IS COVERING A BUNCH OF THESE THINGS. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK CLEARLY IT'S NEEDED TO BE SAID. RIGHT. YOU GUYS GOT TO BE STAFFED UP TO BE ABLE TO FULLY FUNCTIONAL. AND WE'RE NOT THERE.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE TOP TARGETS OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IN 26 IS TO IMPROVE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. YOU KNOW, I WAS AT AN ALEC CONFERENCE THIS WHOLE WEEK OUT AS A THINK TANK, AND THERE'S A PORTION OF ALEC THAT'S JUST FOR CITY AND COUNTY OFFICIALS. AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT FOR FOUR HOURS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT CITIES CAN SMALL CITIES CAN REALLY TAKE ON? THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT THAT WE TRULY CAN TAKE ON. AND ONE OF THE TOP THREE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT IS POLICE DEPARTMENTS. AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT THEY SAID TO IMPROVE YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS TO IMPROVE RETENTION AND RECRUITING. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS TO LEVERAGE LOCAL REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS AND THESE OTHER ISSUES. AND YOU GUYS HAD THAT IN THERE AS WELL. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRUG ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW HOW BIG IT IS, BUT WE KNOW IT'S A STATEWIDE PROBLEM. AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE METH. FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT FENTANYL. I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALEC THIS WHOLE WEEK, AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GROWING SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE. FENTANYL HITS OUR HITS KIDS AT TIMES TOO. AND THEY TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG. AND IT'S LACED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T EVER WANT TO BE SITTING UP HERE AS MAYOR TALKING ABOUT ONE OF OUR KIDS PASSING AWAY FROM GETTING SOMETHING IN OUR TOWN. AND SO WHEN WHEN MR. BENEFIELD TALKS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY WE WANT TO BE, WHAT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE IS A PLACE WHERE CRIMINALS THINK THAT THIS IS SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN COME, OR THIS IS SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN PASS THROUGH. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY TASK YOU ALL WITH. AND I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT FULLY STAFFED, THAT'S REALLY HARD TO DO. BUT HOWEVER WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET'S DO THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS AND YOUR STRATEGIC

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PLAN, ONE THAT I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, I KNOW YOU MAYBE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH THESE QUALIFICATIONS ON THE DEPARTMENT. IT'S JOINING THE TRAVIS COUNTY NARCOTICS TASK FORCE. I WANT US TO HAVE SOMEBODY INVOLVED WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT AT LEAST GIVES US SOME KNOWLEDGE AND SOME RESOURCE WHILE WE'RE THERE. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE PRIORITY.

AND I'LL ECHO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION PART. I MEAN, I THINK MORE THAN EVER, YOU HAVE A COUNCIL WHO IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ALL THE TIME, AND WE WOULD GLADLY. I MEAN, I KNOW I'LL SPEAK FOR ME, I GUESS, RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW THEY WOULD TOO. I WILL GLADLY PUSH ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT YOU GUYS WANT HELP PUSHING OUT THERE. I WILL GLADLY COME TO THE PD AND LEARN AND DO WHATEVER I CAN AND RECORD IT AND SEND IT OUT THERE. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT POLITICIANS DO. SO OKAY, HAPPY TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH IT. AND THEN I KNOW YOU KNOW, JORDAN AND HER TEAM AND JILLIAN ARE WORKING ON THE CITIZEN'S ACADEMY. I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS LEAN INTO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE, TOO, ON THE PR SIDE OF STUFF. AND EVERY DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO GET THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY USEFUL TO YOU GUYS. MR. PRINCE, SMALL COMMENT, GREAT DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A SMALL TOWN. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE ARE ARE NOT BEING STRICT ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THEY SHOULD IF YOU'RE ONE MILE OVER, GIVE THEM A TICKET. AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, GET OUT OF MY SHORTS, RIGHT, AND LEAVE ME ALONE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ALL THE TIME. THERE THERE ARE AS ANY AS WITH ANY CITY, THERE ARE A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING PERSECUTED BY THE POLICE. AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS KNOW WHO THEY ARE, RIGHT? I WONDER WHETHER IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. IN ADDITION TO HAVING A PIO, HAVING SOMEONE THAT IS SORT OF THE COMMUNITY OMBUDSMAN TO, TO TO INTERFACE WITH PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, UNFAIRLY TREATED SO THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF OFFICIAL WAY TO HANDLE THEM RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THEM SAYING, OH, I WENT TO THE CHIEF AND AND HE BLEW ME OFF. RIGHT. MAYBE THEY END UP GOING TO THE OMBUDSMAN, AND THE OMBUDSMAN BLOWS THEM OFF, I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. IS THAT WORTH HAVING, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE GOOD THINGS? BECAUSE I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP OF PD TO THE COMMUNITY IS VERY IMPORTANT. RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS NEED TO OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO EARN THE RESPECT, BUT YOU NEED TO BE RESPECTED AS WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE COMMUNICATION PIO AND SOMEBODY THAT CAN FIELD THOSE NEGATIVE THINGS AND ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THEM, I THINK MAY BE HELPFUL. I WOULD SAY I ACTUALLY LOVE THE OMBUDSMAN IDEA I'VE SEEN THAT UTILIZED IN OTHER CITIES. IT BASICALLY IS LIKE AN INTERMEDIARY AS TO THAT. AND IT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS I GET. AS TO COMPLAINTS, I WOULD SAY, I WILL SAY ON THAT, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT IT UP LAST YEAR. WE DID LOOK INTO HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO TRAIN, AND THERE WERE STAFF HERE INTERESTED THAT COULD GET THE TRAINING TO BE AN OMBUDSMAN. AND I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE COST. BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM WAS THEY DID ALL THE TRAINING ON FRIDAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO YEAH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE REALLY WANT TO, WE CAN LOOK BACK INTO. AND I THINK THERE WAS INTEREST OUT THERE. GOOD.

YEAH. GOOD IDEA. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THE GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE COUNCIL, ALL OF US UP HERE, I ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL BLOWN AGENDA ITEM THAT I HAD DONE FOR A CITIZEN ADVOCACY GROUP. NOW THAT WAS MORE OF A TEAM, YOU KNOW, THAT PROVIDED THAT OMBUDSMAN, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I IT ACTUALLY SAID DO NOT DO THIS RED FLAGS. THERE WERE SOME THINGS FOR THE TRAINING.

YOU HAD TO GET THROUGH THE TRAINING IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DIDN'T OVERSTEP BOUNDS.

RIGHT. BUT I'M HAPPY. SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT COME UP, I CAN PROVIDE, WE CAN TWEAK IT.

WE CAN BRING IT FORWARD. OKAY. I'LL ADD I DO NOT HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS AND GO BACK TO MR. BENEFIELD. GREAT DISCUSSION. IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH 100% ON THE DRUGS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS SAW THE ARTICLE WHERE THERE WAS A RING OF THIEVES THAT WERE GOING DOWN TO THE FORMULA ONE TRACK, AND THEY WERE STEALING WATCHES AND WALLETS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AND THEY LATER FOUND OUT THAT THAT LAGO VISTA WAS THE HUB OF WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE STAYING IN AIRBNBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGREE.

AGREE ON EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT I HEAR IS. BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT MOVED OVER TO THE CITY, ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY GLAMOROUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE POLICE SHOW UP TO DO A CODE OF COMPLIANCE COMPLAINT, I THINK IT ESCALATES THINGS. SO I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD MOVE FOR SOME REASONS. BUT. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I APOLOGIZE, BUT. I APOLOGIZE, BUT. YEAH. WELL, SO YEAH, SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT I OFTEN GET IS NOT ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT ON SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE

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WORKING THROUGH THIS STR ORDINANCE, WHAT CAN AND CANNOT OCCUR ON OUR STR, THE OVERLYING OVERWHELMING THEME I CONTINUE TO HEAR IS THAT THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH COMPLIANCE ON NOISE COMPLAINTS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PEOPLE CALL IN AT 10:00 AT NIGHT. PEOPLE ARE HAVING A PARTY. THEY'RE CLEARLY TOO LOUD. I THINK IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO GET SOME OF THESE OTHER PROBLEMS FIXED IF WE CONTROLLED SOME OF OUR OTHER PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW. SO LIKE IF, IF SOMEBODY CALLED IN AND COMPLAINS THAT, HEY, THEY'RE HAVING A PARTY NEXT DOOR, IT'S 11:00 AND YOU GUYS SHOW UP AND ARE SOMEHOW ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT PARTY, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO GET THE STR PEOPLE THAT DON'T THAT DO NOT WANT STRS IN OUR COMMUNITY MORE ON BOARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND. SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, AND I APPRECIATE THE GREAT FEEDBACK FROM TODAY. OKAY. I THINK I THINK WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE

[IX.3. Discussion regarding City Council’s preferred approach to Code Compliance and provision of general direction to the City Manager consistent with Council consensus.]

NEXT ITEM. 9.3 DISCUSSION REGARDING CITY COUNCIL'S PREFERRED APPROACH TO CODE COMPLIANCE AND PROVISION OF GENERAL DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER, CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL CONSENSUS. AND THIS IS MR. BENFIELD. AS COUNCILMAN PRINCIPAL SOON FIND OUT. I'M SURE IT IS VERY FIRST MEETING AT THE BSE. THEY ARE GOING TO SAY OUR BIGGEST FRUSTRATION IS, IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE CODES AND ORDINANCES AND WE SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME WRITING AND CODIFYING AND AMENDING, AND YET IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO GO ANYWHERE. I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAVE SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT. THERE HAVE BEEN IN A PLETHORA OF EXAMPLES OF WHERE ONE NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES NEXT TO SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY STRINGENT AND WILL CALL IN ALL THE TIME AND COMPLAIN ON THEM AND FORCE THEM TO GO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO COMPLY WITH OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES. RIGHT. WHEREAS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HAS A NEIGHBOR THAT MAYBE DOESN'T CARE SO MUCH, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET AWAY BY NOT COMPLYING WITH OUR ORDINANCES BECAUSE IT'S ALL COMPLAINT DRIVEN. RIGHT. AND SO THE HOPE OF THIS DISCUSSION TODAY WAS TO PROVIDE GENERAL DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND TO OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR TO SAY, WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO ON OUR CODE COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO BE A CITY THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN? AND WHAT WE'LL SEE THERE IS WE'LL SEE LITTLE POCKETS OF COMPLIANCE NEXT TO VERY ISOLATED HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WILLING TO COMPLAIN. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LARGE PORTIONS OF OUR AREA THAT HAVE NO REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS AREN'T GOING TO COMPLAIN. EVERYBODY MINDS THEIR OWN BUSINESSES ON THAT STREET. RIGHT? YOU'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE SPENDING THE MONEY TO COMPLY AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT.

DO WE WANT TO BE AN EDUCATION FIRST? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYOR SAM HAS OFTEN ADVOCATED FOR. IF YOU KNOW THAT WE GO AND WE EDUCATE, WHEREAS THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED TO MY MESSAGES THAT SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO BE EDUCATION FIRST. WE WANT THE HAMMER, WE WANT COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW? AND MY GUESS IS SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS THIS BEAUTIFUL BALANCE BETWEEN EDUCATION AND COMPLIANCE AND. SO THAT WAS THE HOPE OF THE DISCUSSION. I THINK WE ALL DRIVE BY UP AND DOWN THE STREETS. WE ALL SEE THE SAME ORDINANCES THAT ARE BEING VIOLATED. AND MY PERSONAL MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCES, LET'S REMOVE THE ORDINANCES. IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE SIDES OF THEIR YARDS IN THE DIRT, THEN LET'S MODIFY THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO COMPLY AREN'T OUT THERE SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO COMPLY, WHILE THIS NEIGHBOR OVER HERE SAYS, I DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR'S COOL WITH IT, YOU KNOW? AND SO I WOULD JUST I WOULD RATHER SEE GENERAL COMPLIANCE OR A MODIFICATION OF OUR ORDINANCES SO THAT THERE IS COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO HEAR PROBABLY FROM MR. WEST AND THEN JORDAN. OKAY. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS A VERY DELICATE BALANCE. AND THERE IS A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. THE STATE LAWS LAY OUT A PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE DON'T GET TO GO OUT HERE AND JUST WRITE TICKETS RIGHT OFF THE BAT. WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM NOTICE, GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO FIX THE PROBLEM. AND THAT'S WHERE THE EDUCATION COMES IN, IS YOU'RE EDUCATING THEM THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION HERE. AND 90% OF THE TIME THAT FIRST INITIAL CONTACT IS SAYING, HEY, YOU GOT A VIOLATION HERE. THE PERSON TAKES CARE OF IT. SO YOU GOT TO DO THAT. I TOTALLY AGREE, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE, IT NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED. DON'T, DON'T DON'T GIVE ME A BUNCH OF LAWS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE ENFORCED. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. SO I DON'T I'M NOT A FAN OF COMPLAINT DRIVEN CODE

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ENFORCEMENT. CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO BE FAIR AND APPLIED EQUALLY TO EVERYBODY, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE OR WHO THEY KNOW. AND AND ALL OF THAT. ME AND JORDAN HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON CODE COMPLIANCE. AND AND IF YOU'LL LOOK, MOST CITIES HAVE CHANGED THE NAME.

THEY DON'T CALL IT CODE ENFORCEMENT ANYMORE. IT'S CALLED CODE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ULTIMATELY WANT IS YOU WANT COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR ORDINANCES. SO HOW YOU GET THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS. FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO WAS EDUCATE OUR TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND GET THEM LICENSED. THEY ARE LICENSED, AND I THINK THEY'RE STILL AN EDUCATION PROCESS, GOING THERE TO GET THEM TO LEARN THE PROCESSES, WHICH JORDAN CAN CLARIFY BETTER THAN I CAN. THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY ON IT, IS IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, LET'S ENFORCE IT. BUT LET'S BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY AND ENFORCE IT EQUALLY. AND I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH MR. WEST. THERE'S A LOT AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR CODE, AS I'M SURE YOU MAY BE AWARE, IS QUITE OFTEN CONFUSING AND CONVOLUTED AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT EASY TO TRACK SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED. IT'S REALLY THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE AND THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM. THEY'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE SOME WHO ARE CHOOSING TO NOT DO SO, AND THEY WILL BE RECEIVING LETTERS HERE SHORTLY IN THE MAIL STATING EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, WHERE OUR CODE SAYS IT'S NOT OKAY. FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED HISTORICALLY, THERE HASN'T BEEN, AS YOU MENTIONED, CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT AND EFFORTS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND SO I THINK THE MORE THAT WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE MORE WE'RE EDUCATING, WE'RE EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY, THE MORE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH AND ENFORCING. YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES EVEN OUT AND BALANCE ACROSS THE CODE. ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE GOING TO ADDITIONAL TRAINING STARTING IN JANUARY. WE I'M A FIRM BELIEVER, JUST LIKE MR. WEST, THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATION CERTIFICATION TRAINING. IT'S ALL PART OF WHAT WE DO. LAWS ARE CHANGING EVERY DAY, AND SO IT'S STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH OF GETTING TRAINING AND GETTING CERTIFICATIONS. AND WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT IN ANY WAY. BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN ASPECT OF EDUCATION THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO IT. OUR CODE IS JUST NOT EASY TO TO READ. THERE'S SPOTS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY ONE THING AND THEN IT'S CONTRADICTED LATER ON. AND SO IT'S ALL KIND OF TIED TOGETHER, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND MAKING BEST EFFORTS. AND YOU'LL EVEN SEE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN THERE'S STUFF TO REMEDY THAT. I ASKED FOR PATIENCE. I ASK FOR PATIENCE. IT'S GROWING PAINS, TO AN EXTENT THAT WE'RE SURE. MAYOR, CAN I ADD SOMETHING JUST JUST TO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT JORDAN IS SAYING, OF COURSE, IT CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT PROCESS, BUT IT IT ENDS UP IN MY OFFICE IS WITH MUNICIPAL PROSECUTION. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT THE CITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISMISSED. SO TO JORDAN'S POINT ABOUT EDUCATION AND EVERYTHING, IF I CAN'T PROVE UP SERVICE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME. CITY'S TIME AND MONEY TRYING TO PROSECUTE SOMETHING I KNOW I CAN'T GET A CONVICTION ON. AND SO THAT'S THAT THAT, THAT EDUCATION AND COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I WILL ALSO CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I'VE HAD TO READ YOUR I MEAN, IT TAKES ME A LITTLE WHILE. I'VE DONE THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT TAKES ME A LITTLE WHILE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS OR PROHIBITS. SO THERE THOSE THOSE EFFORTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED ON OUR END, BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO TRY. AND IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO FIGHT IT, WE HAVE TO TRY AND GO AND PROVE IT. AND THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT. AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY BEEN WEEKS SINCE YOU GOT CODE COMPLIANCE UNDER YOU. WHERE IN THE PROCESS ARE YOU SORT OF SPELLING OUT THIS, HOW THIS IS WORKING, AND HOW LONG UNTIL YOU FEEL LIKE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO SEE CHANGE IN A DIFFERENCE? SO I HAVE HAD THEM FOR THREE WEEKS OFFICIALLY ONE WEEK ONCE TRAINING, ONE WEEK WAS STUDYING, ONE WEEK WAS TESTING. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF SETTLING INTO THIS, THIS NEW ROUTINE. AND WE HAVE ALREADY DRAFTED SEVERAL LETTERS OF PLACES THAT WE KNOW NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION WITH, I DON'T KNOW, A TIMELINE ON STARTING TO CHANGE. I WOULD LOVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, 3 TO 6 MONTHS AND WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING SOMETHING, BUT REALLY IT'S THE IT'S ALMOST THE COLLECTIVE ATTITUDE OF THE CITY.

I CAN'T PREDICT THAT WE WILL BE DOING OUR JOB. WE WILL BE ENFORCING UNDER THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR ORDINANCES, UNDER THE FULL EXTENT OF STATE LAW. BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY WIDE MENTALITY, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO START TO SHIP. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SEE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM AS THE BAD GUY OR, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF NOT SO SAVORY WORDS. AND

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HISTORICALLY, I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A CONTENTIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PUBLIC, AND IT TAKES TIME TO DO THESE THINGS. SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY HOPEFUL AND SAY, 3 TO 6 MONTHS, BUT PLEASE DON'T SHOOT ME IF THAT'S OKAY. WELL, THEORETICALLY, IF THERE WAS A FORMER CITY GOLF COURSE THAT'S NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, IS THAT ON A LIST OF ITEMS BEING TAKEN CARE OF? HYPOTHETICALLY, YES. OKAY. THAT WAS FOR BRAD. SO I WILL SAY THAT I, I'M FROM A TOWN THAT WE UTILIZE CITY MARSHALS AND I WILL SAY I OWN AN STR AND WAS ACTUALLY CITED THIS AND I HAD TO GO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. APPARENTLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE. MY OAK TREE WAS HANGING 12 FOOT OVER WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT HAS TO BE 14 FOOT. SO SO I HAD 30 DAYS TO ADDRESS IT. I HAD TO CUT DOWN A LIMB, GET IT HAULED OFF. LUCKILY, THE EDUCATION AND CITATION PROCESS WAS VERY EASY FOR ME, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT WAS NOT COMPLAINT DRIVEN BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS LOVED MY TREE. THEY LOVE THE SHADE, THEY LOVED THE HAMMOCKS, THEY LOVED ALL OF THAT. WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO WAS A CITY MARSHAL DRIVING AROUND. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, I KNOW THAT WE ARE MOSTLY A COMPLAINT DRIVEN CURRENTLY. I HATE THAT BECAUSE THAT TURNS NEIGHBORS UPON NEIGHBORS. SO ARE YOUR OFFICERS OR YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OR COMPLIANCE PERSONNEL? ARE THEY SITTING IN AN OFFICE JUST MONITORING THESE PHONE CALLS AND GETTING EMAILS, OR ARE THEY ACTUALLY OUT LOOKING FOR VIOLATIONS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, HELP, MAYBE SOME REEDUCATION? SO AGAIN, IT'S ONLY BEEN THREE WEEKS. WHAT HAS BEEN THE CASE IS THAT IN THE MORNINGS THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD. THEY'RE SPOTTING THINGS. THEY'RE NOTICING THINGS. THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS. THEY'RE ANSWERING COMPLAINTS THAT ARE COMING IN TO THE REQUEST TRACKER. THEY'RE VERY MUCH OUT AND ABOUT IN THE AFTERNOON.

THEY'RE IN THEIR OFFICE, AND WE'RE TYPING UP ALL OF THE MONSTER LETTERS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO ACTUALLY ENFORCING OUR CODE. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO ADD ALL THE ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO ADD THE REASONS, YOU HAVE TO ADD MITIGATIONS WITH PICTURES AND HISTORY. LIKE IT. THEY'RE PRETTY BIG DEALS. AND IT'S NOT 1 OR 2. YEAH. MY MY LETTER WAS ABOUT THREE PAGES LONG WITH PHOTOS AND THE ORDINANCE. EXACTLY. AND SO OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IS NOT SMALL. I CAN I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 46 LETTERS THAT ARE DONE AND READY TO BE SENT RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S STILL MORE ON OUR LIST.

AND SO HALF THE DAY, YES, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE FIELD SPOTTING THINGS. THE OTHER HALF, THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE HUNKERED DOWN TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS. BUT WHEN WE GET THOSE LETTERS SENT AND START GETTING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES MITIGATED AND WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THAT SHIFT WHERE THEY'RE OUT AND ABOUT MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING SUCH MONSTER CASELOADS AT ONE TIME. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT OF OUR OFFICE IS EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. MAKES THE ATTORNEY HAPPY, OBVIOUSLY, AND HAVE AN ACTUAL RESPONSE THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO START ENCOURAGING WILLFUL COMPLIANCE. AND THAT ALL GOES INTO IT. ONE COMMENT ON THAT IS WE HAD ACTUALLY POSTED THIS OR I, ADAM BENEFIELD, HAD ACTUALLY MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND I HAD MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT CITY MARSHALS, AND IT GOT SOME TERRIBLE FEEDBACK. IT WAS IT WAS, OH, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL NEED TO BE OUT LOOKING FOR WRITE TICKETS. AND REALLY, I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. I LOOKED AT IT AS A CHANCE TO REEDUCATE AND ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE. YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE. FOR ME, IT WAS 30 DAYS. I'M NOT SURE HOW OUR OUR READS RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK UP ON THAT. THE I THINK A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO PR AS WELL, BECAUSE IF WE DO START HAVING CODE COMPLIANCE OUT ON THE STREETS MORE AND MORE, AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HALF OF THE DAY IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOW, ARE GOING TO BE SCARED AND NOT NECESSARILY IS THAT A BAD THING? MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING ORDER OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND BUT I WILL SAY THAT JUST TO BE A LITTLE WARY, AND I DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES. WELL, I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR OFFICERS AND I TOLD THEM VERY MUCH. SO WE ARE A VERY PUBLIC FACING DEPARTMENT.

JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DO DEALS WITH THE PUBLIC, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN RESPECT THAT GOES INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP. BUT THEY'RE NOT EXPERTS. RESIDENTS ARE NOT EXPERTS IN OUR CODE. I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE, ESPECIALLY IF EVEN ME AND OUR ATTORNEY ARE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS NOT SUPER EASY TO READ. AND SO SITTING DOWN WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NOTICE SOMETHING AND SOMEBODY'S HOME AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE YARD AND SAY, HEY,

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YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON, THIS IS WHAT I NOTICED. HOW CAN WE RESOLVE IT? HOW CAN WE HELP? JILLIAN, OUR PROGRAMS COORDINATOR, IS VERY MUCH SO WORKING ON COMMUNITY BASED EFFORTS FOR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION. I KNOW THAT THIS IS ON OUR PRIORITY LIST. THE CIVIC ACADEMY, SAME THING WITH ANIMAL CONTROL. I KNOW THAT'S ALSO A LITTLE CONTENTIOUS AT THE MOMENT AS WELL. ALL OF THIS GOES INTO IT, AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE LASTING IMPACTS. NOT FOR THE BETTER. CAN I ASK ONE ONE THING AS WHEN YOU ALL COME ACROSS THESE ORDINANCES AND CODES THAT ARE JUST SO QUESTIONABLE THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING TROUBLE DECIPHERING THEM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE OUR PUBLIC AND THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE DECIPHERING THEM. ARE Y'ALL ARE Y'ALL LETTING CHARLES KNOW? OR Y'ALL KIND OF LIKE FLAGGING THOSE AND SAYING, HEY, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING COUNCIL PROBABLY NEEDS TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, REWORD DIAGNOSTIC. SO SO Y'ALL ARE DOING CO-DIAGNOSTICS. YOU'RE DOING CO-DIAGNOSTICS WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A DAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT I'VE NOT WALKED INTO CHARLES OFFICE AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU. I KNOW I HAVE A RUNNING LIST. I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS HAS A RUNNING LIST.

FREESE AND NICHOLS HAS SENT A DRAFT OF THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. THERE WAS STUFF THAT WE WERE. I SENT THEM COMMENTS ON THROWING MORE STUFF IN BECAUSE THERE'S IS THIS, YOU KNOW, UMBRELLA THING. BUT THERE'S LITTLE THINGS THAT WE FIND DURING THE DAY. I MEAN, I'VE EMAILED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE ABOUT STUFF THAT'S COMING UP THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AND IT WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST. THE PROBLEM IS IT'S SO EXTENSIVE THAT FIXING IT IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY. AND IF WE PATCHWORK IT AND PIECEMEAL IT, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF CONTRADICTIONS AND POSSIBLY LIKE ORDINANCES. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR OR SPLIT OVER TWO FISCALS, IS WE DO A REWRITE BECAUSE IT'S. THERE'S A LOT I THINK THE NICHOLS REPORT IS 18 PAGES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S JUST THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY.

THAT'S NOT EVEN THE THAT'S THAT WAS KIND OF MY WHERE I WAS GETTING AT. BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO OUR WHAT IS IT MUNICIPAL CODE WHERE YOU GO IN AND YOU CAN JUST SEARCH THE ORDINANCES OR, AND, OR BREAKS DOWN YEAR BY YEAR. I ACTUALLY WAS SEARCHING FOR SOME, SOME POSSIBLE CODE VIOLATIONS THAT I MIGHT BE DOING, AND IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO FIND. AND SO FOR JUST A REGULAR LAYPERSON TO COMB THROUGH THERE AND TRY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, AND THEN I FOUND MAYBE 6 OR 7 THAT ACTUALLY CONTRADICTED EACH OTHER, AND THERE WAS NO WAY THAT YOU COULD DECIPHER WHICH ONE WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE COMPLIANCE. EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE. WELL, THAT'S OUR JOB IS IS TO ENFORCE THE CODE REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS. DEVELOPMENT, PERMITTING, BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO OUR CODE IS OUR WORKBOOK. IT'S THE BOX THAT WE GET TO OPERATE IN. AND RIGHT NOW THE BOX IS LIKE A SQUISHY PACKAGE ON THE FLOOR. IT IT IS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS. AGAIN, HOW WE DO IT IS LARGELY BASED ON BUDGET AND TIMING AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT'S JOB EASIER IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT IT'S. I JUST PICTURED ACE VENTURA WITH THE BOX. YEAH, YEAH. SO I'LL KEEP IT REAL SHORT, BUT I AM GOING TO STATE WHEN THOSE CUTE LITTLE INFOGRAPHICS WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT NUMBERS WENT OUT, IT SEEMED, AT LEAST TO ME ON FACEBOOK, THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE CALM REGARDING ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT THINGS WERE BEING DONE. THE SECOND PIECE OF IT, I'M GOING BACK TO THE RED, YELLOW, GREEN. IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY STARTED FROM RED. YOU'VE MADE, YOU KNOW, LIKE 3 OR 4 STEPS ALREADY GOING TOWARD YELLOW, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF GETTING THE DEPARTMENT UP AND RUNNING AND UP TO SPEED. AND LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I AM IN I SUPPORT LOOKING AT THE THE CODE. I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS JUST BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE UP HERE IN COUNCIL ON ON PNC, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT THROUGH. BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A WORTHWHILE PROJECT. THANK YOU, MR. BENFIELD. SO SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL OR FROM YOU JORDAN, BUT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I TOTALLY AGREE ON THE UNIVERSAL APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE ACROSS THE BOARD. NOT JUST BEING COMPLAINT DRIVEN, BUT JUST GENERALLY ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNQUESTIONABLE, IN MY OPINION, SAFETY HAZARDS, CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT PERMITS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SHOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULT TO NOT APPLY TO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SUGGEST. AND IF I MAY, MOST OF THAT STUFF FALLS UNDER THE AUTHORITIES OF BUILDING OKAY. AND OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHICH AT THE MOMENT IS MYSELF,

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WE CAN IMMEDIATELY ISSUE STOP WORK ORDERS AND START ENFORCEMENT THAT DAY. IF IT'S PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OR BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT IS A LITTLE. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY DID NOT APPLY TO THAT SITUATION, BUT SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN AS AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ORDINANCE BY ORDINANCE AND YOU'RE CLEANING THINGS UP, I WOULD ALMOST BE INTERESTED IN HAVING YOU BRING THOSE BACK TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY'RE STILL CONSENSUS ON THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES. IN 2028, THERE'S GOING TO BE A UNIVERSAL ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES THAT SAYS EVERY SINGLE HOMEOWNER IN THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA HAS TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE. RIGHT.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN THAT'S GOING TO WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO START RECEIVING CITATIONS OR WARNINGS OR EDUCATION NOTIFICATIONS LEFT AND RIGHT, RIGHT. LOVE IT. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. BUT THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE FUTURE WILL OF COUNCIL. THERE MAY BE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ADOPTED THIS DARK SKY ORDINANCE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NECESSARILY WANT TO FORCE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH. RIGHT? SO IT'D BE JUST INTERESTING BEFORE WE WENT ALL THE WAY INTO THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY MAYBE CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE. I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE. I ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR EXAMPLES.

ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE LIKE. BOATS OR JET SKIS OR VEHICLES. PARKING ON A NON IMPERVIOUS LIKE IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE RIGHT. IT WOULD JUST BE INTERESTING IF COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A DATE AND TIME THAT WE WANTED THERE TO BE PHYSICAL CONCRETE ON THE GROUND. BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF THEY DID RIVER ROCK AND THEY IMPROVED IT.

SO IN A CERTAIN WAY WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. AND MAYBE WE MODIFY THAT ORDINANCE AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THESE BIT BY BIT, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE OLDER ORDINANCES ARE UP TO DATE. SO SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE PARKING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE GRASS, CLEANING UP VACANT LOTS, YOU KNOW, FOR FIREWISE AND OTHER TYPES OF JUST GENERAL ESTHETIC IMPROVEMENT. LIKE DO WE WANT THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S AN ORDINANCE, BUT DO WE WANT THAT PARKING ON STREETS? ANOTHER ONE THAT I GET PROBABLY MOST IS BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RUNNING HOME BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, LAWNMOWER REPAIR SHOPS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE NEXT TO ONE. BUT IF I DID, I COULD APPRECIATE HOW DISTURBING THAT WOULD BE. JUST SOMEBODY OUT THERE JUST CRANKING A LAWNMOWER ALL DAY, TRYING TO GET IT TO START FINALLY STARTS, AND THEY'RE REVVING IT AT FULL SPEED TO TRY TO GET THAT. SO IT WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST BE I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS WHAT COUNCIL WOULD THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING YOU COME FORWARD ON AN OCCASIONAL BASIS. AND THEN THE LAST POINT IS I RECEIVED A TEXT WHILE WE WERE UP HERE SAYING THAT IF LET'S SAY WE DID SAY, YEAH, LET'S YOU HAVE TO PARK ON CONCRETE. MAYBE THERE'S AN EMAIL THAT GOES OUT TO THE CITIZENS SAYING, HEY, FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE TAKING A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT THIS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND AFTER THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO START RECEIVING A NOTIFICATION THAT AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE EDUCATION. MORE THAN HAPPY WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING GRACE PERIODS AND ALL OF THAT. HOWEVER, YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE THESE CONFLICTS THAT WE KNOW IN OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE DISCUSSION BOARD, WHETHER IT'S AN EMAIL THAT GOES OUT ONCE A MONTH OR QUARTER OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND THEM. WE DO KEEP A RUNNING LIST. I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS DOES AS WELL. AND SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO BRING IT UP AND TO WORK THROUGH IT, AT LEAST IN A GENERAL SENSE. ANY GUIDANCE YOU PROVIDE AS A BOARD HELPS US FIGURE OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE MOVE INTO CODE REWRITES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IF THERE'S GENERAL DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, FINE TUNE AS WE GO ALONG. SO I'M ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO HOWEVER THE INFORMATION SHOULD BE RECEIVED IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT. WE CAN DO PRESENTATIONS, HOWEVER OFTEN. WELL, MAY I JUST I KNOW MY PREFERENCE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE SYSTEMATIC ABOUT IT. SO I DON'T THINK WINGING IT OUT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND YOU GET A FEW PEOPLE TO OPINE ON IT. I'D RATHER YOU AND YOUR STAFF DO ALMOST A RISK BASED ASSESSMENT, WHERE THE CODE VIOLATIONS YOU THINK ARE THE MOST IMPACTFUL OR SERIOUS, OR THE ONES WHERE MAYBE WE GET THE MOST CITIZEN COMPLAINTS. I DON'T KNOW, YOU GUYS COULD DO SOME KIND OF A RUBRIC TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE AND MAYBE BRING THOSE MORE SYSTEMATICALLY TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER YOU AND BRAD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW AND MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE BETTER, OR WHERE YOU SEE A DISPARITY BETWEEN THAT, WE NEED TO CLEAN UP. THAT WOULD, I THINK, BE SUPER HELPFUL. BUT WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SEE, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A LOW COST WAY FOR YOU TO DO

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THIS, IS YOU HAVE A PDF OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND YOU GUYS CAN HIGHLIGHT AND CREATE NOTES AND NOTE THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE READ ONLY ACCESS AND WE CAN GO THROUGH AND SEE IT. AND THE TWO THINGS, THE REASONS WHY I WANT TO SEE THAT IS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE CURRENT PLAN. YOU WANT TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH AND REWRITE OUR ORDINANCES. AND SO, MR. BENFIELD'S POINT, THOSE AREN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS, RIGHT? I'M REALLY WORRIED. WE HAVE A TRACK HISTORY OF CONSULTANTS WHO HAVE GIVEN US COOKIE CUTTER RESULTS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN OTHER CITIES, AND HOW IF THEY DON'T SPEAK TO US, HOW WILL THEY EVER KNOW THAT THE ORDINANCES OUR CITIZENS ARE TELLING US WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS, AND IF THEY DON'T PRIORITIZE OUR INPUT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME CRAP PRODUCT AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT. AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THE EASIEST WAY TO PREVENT THAT IS IF YOU AT LEAST CAN SHOW US ALREADY. AND I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE READ ONLY BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TOMA ISSUES AND, AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW THE SAME THING. THE DISCUSSION BOARD WILL TURN INTO TOO MANY COMMENTS IN A RUNNING DOCUMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S THE LIVE DOCUMENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY FEAR IS, BECAUSE I THINK TO COUNCIL BENFIELD'S POINT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REFLECTING WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS BASED OFF OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM CITIZENS. I DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD FROM ANOTHER CONSULTING FIRM WHAT THEY'VE TOLD OTHER CITIES, SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT REASON. WE WILL BE PROVIDING IT IN A WORKSHOP. THEY WILL BE HERE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU, HERE TO HELP. THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE IN MARCH, GIVE OR TAKE BUSINESS. HAVING A CONSULTANT DO IT. YOU'RE A CONSULTANT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DIRECTION OF STAFF. AND SO I AM VERY ADAMANT THAT THERE IS A HUGE PUBLIC OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE CONVERSATIONS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNCIL SETS DIRECTION AND OUR JOB IS TO MAKE THAT COME TO FRUITION. THE PERSPECTIVE THAT MOST OF STAFF SHARES. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TAGGING A PDF. MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A REWRITE, IT IS A VERY TECHNICAL DOCUMENT THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH OTHER STUFF GOING ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ESPECIALLY TODAY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT IN-HOUSE. IT'S NOT THAT I'M SAYING DO IT IN-HOUSE, IT'S THAT WE WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY UP HERE.

THIS SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY US. WE SHOULD BE THE ONES TO DO IT. SO THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PART OF IT IS RESPECTED, BECAUSE TO ALREADY HAVE FREESE AND NICHOLS ON THE LINE TO START DOING THIS, IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SOME OF FREEZING NICKELS PRODUCT, AND IT IS A DUPLICATION OF OTHER CITIES, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE TIME.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DRIVE THAT VOTE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE A VERY ACTIVE AND INVOLVED LEGISLATIVE GROUP UP HERE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME GOOD RESULTS FROM US, TOO. BUT CLEARLY WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN CONCERT WITH Y'ALL WHO ARE SEEING AND DEALING WITH IT EVERY DAY. YEAH. AND IT'S AGAIN, YOU'RE ANY MASTER PLANNING REVIEW, ANY CODE REWRITES. YOU DO. IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR STAFF BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT I BELIEVE HAPPENED WAS COMPREHENSIVE ATTENDANCE, THAT THERE WAS NOWHERE ON A STAFF LEVEL PUSHING IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND KEEPING THEM IN THEIR BUBBLE, SO TO SAY. AND SO IT JUST NOT THAT IT'S RIGHT, BUT IT JUST ENDED UP BECOMING WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IS A DRAFT, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THAT STAFF GUIDANCE AND PEOPLE STAYING ON TOP OF IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WAS REFLECTIVE. AND SO I DON'T THINK YOU WILL EVER SEE A SUBPAR PRODUCT COME OUT OF YES ON HERE. OKAY. THE OTHER THING, I WANT TO STEP BACK REAL QUICK, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS CONVERSATION WHILE I'M STILL THINKING OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I KIND OF GO BACK TO MY GOVERNMENT PHILOSOPHY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A MAGIC GENIE BOTTLE THAT YOU CAN RUB AND SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM IN THE CITY. AND SO I HAVE CREATED THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON FAITH AND SERVICE. I HAVE ALL SEVEN CHURCH LEADERSHIP GROUPS THAT HAVE AGREED. WE'RE GOING TO DO A FORUM IN JANUARY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW THE CHURCH COMMUNITY AND NONPROFITS TIED TO THEM AND OTHER CITIZENS CAN HELP OUT. AND ONE OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE TIMES IS CODE COMPLIANCE, AND SOMETIMES THE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT NEIGHBORS TELL ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR YARD, OR SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST TEMPORARILY IN A HEALTH SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO. AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF OUR CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM COULD BE OPEN TO WORKING WITH WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THIS FORUM, AND THEY WILL GLADLY GO OUT WITH VOLUNTEERS AND HELP OUT IF THEY HAVE THE TARGET LIST OF PLACES WHERE WE CAN GO TO. NOW. THAT'S NOT A FOREVER ANSWER FOR THAT PROPERTY, BUT ON AN INITIAL PROBLEM THAT'S GOTTEN TOO BIG FOR THEM, THAT'S A SOLUTION WHERE WE CAN TURN TO OUR CITIZENS. AND THIS IS A VERY FAITH DRIVEN AND A VERY VOLUNTEER READY CITY. WE HAVE SO MANY VOLUNTEERS HERE THAT I THINK YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF HELP, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE

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SURE THAT WE DON'T TRY TO TACKLE EVERY PROBLEM THAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO THE CITY BY THINKING SOMEHOW WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT, OR Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WANTS TO DO IT, BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER AND THE FACILITIES TO DO IT.

BUT YOU DO HAVE THE HELP FROM THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND SO KEEP THAT OPEN MIND. LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO CREATE THESE RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO WORK HARD FOR, AND IT'S DEFINITELY ON THE TABLE FOR YOU, SO WE APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH JILLIAN ABOUT ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT. ONE OF THEM, JUST AS A FOREWARNING BECAUSE IT IS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IS A TOOL LOAN PROGRAM. THE CITY OF TEMPLE HAS LED BY EXAMPLE AND HAS. ABSOLUTELY.

AMAZING THINGS. AS A CITY. THEY HAVE A TOOL SHED. AND SO IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, THIS PROPERTY IS OUT OF WHACK, SOMETHING'S WRONG. INSTEAD OF SENDING CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY SEND HELP. THEY SEND VOLUNTEERS TO GO RENT TOOLS TO THE CITY PROVIDES WITH TO GO HANDLE THE ISSUE WHEN THERE'S A NEED FOR IT AND THE PERSON CAN'T DO IT THEMSELVES OR DOESN'T HAVE THE MEANS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, I KNOW JILLIAN'S TALKED WITH TEMPLE DIRECTLY ABOUT THEIR STRUCTURE. I'VE ASKED HER TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL AND START GETTING THAT IMPLEMENTED AND WORKING WITH VOLUNTEERS. ONE OF THE PRIORITIES FOR THAT SIDE OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS GOING TO BE BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND ATTENDING THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALONE, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY. I'VE SEEN IT JUST BEING NEW HERE. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HELP. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP AND BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. AWESOME. THANK YOU. I THINK, CHARLES, YOU WERE WANTING TO SPEAK ON THE CODE. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, IS ONE OF THE CITIES THAT I WAS A CITY MANAGER OF OUR CODE. I HAD A CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER, AND WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO WHEN YOU GET A WIDOW LADY, ELDERLY, NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HER PROPERTY ANYMORE AND ALL, WE HAD A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS SHOW UP ON A SATURDAY AND WE GOT OUR YARD CLEANED UP. AND THEN THAT SAME GROUP, AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, WENT OVER THERE AND SHOWED HER YARD. AND IT WAS STRICTLY VOLUNTEERS. I MEAN, THE CITY HELPED WITH THE INITIAL CLEANUP. I PAID FOR LUNCH AND WE GOT IT KNOCKED OUT, AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD PROGRAM. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE STILL DOING THINGS LIKE THAT IN THAT CITY. AND I THINK THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE DID, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS IN OUR CITY. SO AND IT GETS TO THAT POINT, I KNOW I'VE GOT PARENTS THAT'S GETTING TO THAT POINT. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR 20 ACRES OR TWO ACRES OR A QUARTER ACRE. THEY NEED THAT EXTRA HELP. SO I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM OUT, I THINK IT'S GOOD PR FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S IT'S JUST BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. IS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.

ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. I HAVE NO CITIZEN SIGN UP FOR THIS ONE EITHER. SO I

[X.5. Consideration and possible action to replace Resolution No. 25-2177 with Ordinance per the advice of legal counsel. (Part 2 of 2)]

WILL MOVE ON. I THINK WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK UP 10.5 IF YOU CHECK YOUR EMAILS. BRAD WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER HIS RED LINES. SO I SENT IN A SECOND, JUST I BET BECAUSE MR. BENEFIELD POINTED OUT AN ISSUE. SO I MADE AN EDIT. SO THE SO LOOK FOR YOUR SECOND 2.0 NEW AND IMPROVED 2.0 VERSION THAT I SENT OUT. I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE TO READ THIS BACK IN. I JUST WILL THEN CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REPLACE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2177 WITH ORDINANCE PER THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE NEW RED LINE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR EMAIL? JUST A LOGISTIC THING. SO THERE'S TWO ATTACHMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT. YES, SIR. ONE OF THEM'S A RED LINE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE EDITS THAT I MADE FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PACKET. AND THEN IT'S A CLEAN VERSION SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO READ. MR. BENFIELD I READ THROUGH IT MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THE FINAL DRAFT APPEARS TO BE EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. THE. SO I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT WAS WRITTEN. OKAY. AND I JUST JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THE THE THE CHOICE OF SECTION OF YOUR CODE. WAS SEE, I CHOSE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO ALL IN CHAPTER NINE OF YOUR CODE IS PERSONNEL, AND THEN WITHIN THAT YOU HAVE THE ARTICLES. YOUR ARTICLES ARE OF ALL YOUR COMMITTEES. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE ARE LISTED UNDER THEIR ARTICLES. SO ARTICLE 9.100 WAS JUST GENERAL

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PROVISIONS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT 9.100 GENERAL PROVISIONS, IT'S ACTUALLY BLANK BECAUSE IT ORIGINALLY, AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST PERTAINED TO A DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THAT WAS DELETED IN ITS ENTIRETY. SO YOU HAVE A BLANK SECTION 9.10, WHICH IS JUST GENERAL PROVISIONS, SEEMED LIKE THE NATURAL PLACE TO PUT ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE ALSO PART OF THAT CHAPTER. SO THAT'S WHY I CHOSE THAT. OKAY, OKAY. EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE READ IT AND CHECKED FOR ALL THE UPDATES. YOU ALL WANT TO KNOW COUNCILOR VAN NESS. YOU HAD A NUMBER OF ITEMS YOU SEE AND EVERYTHING IN THERE. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE ALL EDITED CORRECTLY. OKAY.

WELL, AGAIN, I HAVE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS, SO I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.5 AS DRAFTED 2.0 FROM CITY COUNCIL OR FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENEFIELD, A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'LL JUST REITERATE I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I THINK LOCKING THIS IN COULD GET US IN TROUBLE WITH THE STAFFING, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. ANY OTHERS HEARING? NONE.

ALL THOSE IN SUPPORT SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY, NAY, NAY. THE MOTION PASSES 4 TO 3. OKAY. WITH THAT I WILL MOVE ON TO. ITEM NUMBER 10.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE

[X.2. Consideration and possible action regarding Resolution No. 25-2187 resolution of the City Council of the City of Lago Vista, Texas appointing an individual to serve as Council Liaison to the Charter Review Committee for the 2026 calendar year.]

ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2187 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS APPOINTING AN INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE AS COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR. I THINK EITHER I OR COUNCIL PRINCE POINTED THIS OUT.

ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT IS IN THE RESOLUTION, IT SHOWS TWO BLANKS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY COUNCILMAN PRINCE IS STAYING ON THAT COMMITTEE. WE'RE JUST ADDING ONE OTHER PERSON AS I WON'T BE FILLING THAT ROLE ANYMORE. AND I GUESS I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL PRINCE SO I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. YEAH. SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A TIME LOAD THING THAT THE COMMITTEE MEETS TWICE A MONTH. THIS COMMITTEE IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. I DID CHECK IN WITH THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, LINDA AIRD, TO SEE IF SHE HAD ANY OPINIONS ON WHO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY HELPFUL TO HER AS A CHAIR LEAD. AND HER ONE AND ONLY COMMENT WAS THAT SHE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE OF THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, SO THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY INPUT THAT I, THAT I GOT FROM HER. SO I GUESS IT'S A MATTER OF WHO FEELS PASSIONATE ABOUT DOING THIS. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, REMIND YOU THAT STANDARD RULES OF LIAISONS APPLY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT INFLUENCING WHAT THEY WHAT THEY SAY. IT'S ABOUT HELPING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, STAY ON THE PATH OF THE RIGHT PROCEDURAL STEPS. AND WHAT THEIR DISCUSSIONS DO IS STAY ON TRACK. AND PROBABLY WITH THIS GROUP, MOST IMPORTANTLY DELIVERED, BRINGING QUESTIONS THEY HAVE TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD ABOUT COMING UP WITH SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR FEEDBACK. SO WITH THAT, I I'M OPEN TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE IF THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER FOR IT. MAYOR, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S STEPPING OUT OF THE POSITION. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT? WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP FOR THAT, SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE MOTIONS. I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. I THOUGHT ONE OF THE TWO NEW MEMBERS, I THOUGHT MAYBE MR. HALL, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ON IT. SO I FIGURED WE CAN ASK IF HE HAS ANY INTEREST IN FILLING THAT SECOND ROLE. I DO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO TO JUMP INTO THE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WHAT THE TIMETABLE IS AND, AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANYBODY. OTHERWISE, I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE, JUST ALL FOR LIAISON TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD, TO

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APPOINT COUNCILMAN CHESS HALL TO SERVE AS THE SECOND LIAISON FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, I THINK. COUNCILMAN PRINCE WILL ATTEST THEY ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB AND THEY'RE GREAT TO WORK WITH. AND HE DID MANY MORE OF THEM THAN I DID BECAUSE JUST THAT'S HOW THE SCHEDULE WORKED OUT. OKAY. ARE.

[X.4. Consideration and possible action regarding the reconsideration of Resolution No. 25-2174, designating Councilor Benefield as the Council Liaison to the Planning & Zoning Commission, and possible action to appoint an alternative Councilor to serve as Council Liaison to the Planning & Zoning Commission.]

GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 10.4, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE RECONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2174. DESIGNATING COUNCILOR BENEFIELD AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPOINT AN ALTERNATIVE COUNCILOR. TO SERVE AS COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

AND I HAVE MR. HALL ON THIS ITEM. I RECEIVED, AND I WILL SAY I HAD SECONDED THE THE MOTION TO TO APPOINT HIM ORIGINALLY, BUT I RECEIVED CONSIDERABLE INPUT FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHOSE OPINIONS AND I HIGHLY RESPECT, WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE VARIOUS COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. AND THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, I AND I, I THINK IT BOILS DOWN TO JUST A CONCERN THAT AS AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, WHICH IS THAT WE NOT HAVE LIAISONS TO ANY OF THE COMMITTEES BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL TO INFLUENCE THEIR DECISIONS. AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE INPUT I HAD IS THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT WITH MR. WITH COUNCILOR BENFIELD'S PASSION FOR THE FOR THE SUBJECT AND ETC. THAT THAT THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. SO TO TO TO USE A PHRASE THAT WAS USED RECENTLY OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I THINK THAT IT IS WISE, SINCE THIS IS THE ONLY LIAISON APPOINTMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF, THAT HAS HAS GENERATED INTEREST IN CONCERN THAT WE APPOINT ANOTHER PERSON FOR THAT. FOR PNC AS THE LIAISON. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HALL. I DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED UP FOR THIS. WE COULD GO THERE OR IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WANTS TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE THAT. IF NOT, THEN I WILL CALL MR. GENE HARRIS. HE IS ONLINE. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF AND LAGO VISTA RESIDENTS. MY NAME IS GENE HARRIS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK REMOTELY AS I AM OUT OF TOWN. I'M ON PNC AND BOA, SO THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PASSED DURING THE NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING AND NOW HAS BEEN AMENDED, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. I'M JUST CARRY ON SAYING THAT A PERSON CAN'T SERVE CONCURRENTLY ON BOTH BOARDS, POTS AND PANS, AND BOA CAN'T SERVE ON BOTH BOARDS. THAT WILL APPLY TO ME SINCE I'M ON BOTH OF THOSE. AFTER THAT MEETING, I SPOKE TO MR. BENEFIELD, WHO WAS APPOINTED LIAISON TO PNC THAT NIGHT. I TOLD HIM I WASN'T SURE IF MY APPOINTMENT WAS FOR 1 OR 2 YEARS, AND HE SAID HE WOULD CHECK. I SAID I WOULD STEP DOWN FROM PNC AND REMAIN ON BOA IF THAT BECAME NECESSARY, OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. I DON'T REMEMBER MY EXACT WORDS. I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT DECISION AND THE NEXT DAY I DID SEND AN EMAIL TO MR. BENEFIELD AND I WILL READ THAT TO YOU. THIS IS ADAM. I WENT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND SAW MY APPOINTMENT FOR PNC IS THROUGH DECEMBER 2026. AFTER RECONSIDERATION, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY COMMITMENT TO PNC. I WILL STEP DOWN FROM BOA WHEN THAT BECOMES NECESSARY. I COPIED MAYOR SAM AND PNC CHAIR LINDA AIRD. THANK YOU. I RECEIVED A REPLY FROM MR. BENEFIELD AND I WILL READ THAT.

MR. HARRIS, I WILL CONSULT WITH LEGAL AND GET BACK WITH YOU. I THOUGHT THAT WAS SORT OF AN ODD RESPONSE, SINCE ALL THAT WAS REALLY NEEDED WAS, IN MY OPINION, OKAY. THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO RESIGN FROM A BOARD OR COMMISSION. A LETTER MUST BE SENT TO CITY SECRETARY

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SAYING I NO LONGER WANT TO SERVE. A CONVERSATION WITH LIAISON IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO RESIGN. MR. BENFIELD'S REPLY SEEMED TO IMPLY THERE WAS SOME SORT OF LEGAL PROBLEM, AND AS SUCH I FELT PRESSURED ABOUT MY DECISION. THIS ISN'T THE ONLY TIME I'VE HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH MR. BENFIELD REGARDING CITY BUSINESS. THE FIRST WAS THE JUNE 26TH MEETING REGARDING REAFFIRMING THE CONSTITUTION AGENDA ITEM TEN G AND WHERE I FELT PERSONALLY ATTACKED BY MR. BENFIELD. THE VIDEO OF THAT CAN BE VIEWED AT APPROXIMATELY FOUR, 2031 AND 443 ON THE RECORDING.

ALL THAT TO SAY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MR. BENEFIELD AS THE PNC LIAISON. I AM NOT RESIGNING FROM PNC, AND I WILL RESIGN FROM BOA IF AND WHEN THAT BECOMES NECESSARY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HARRIS. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CITIZENS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ITEM, SO I BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE MOTION. AGAIN, THIS IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, SO I BELIEVE IT NEEDS A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO BE MOVED FORWARD. JUST WANT YOU ALL TO REMEMBER THAT. SO. SO, MR. MAYOR, MAY I. SO I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY I ALSO RECEIVED CALLS FROM MULTIPLE CITY RESIDENTS, SOME OF WHO SERVE ON PNC, OTHERS WHO MAY BE PREVIOUSLY SERVED. AND I'M JUST GOING TO I JUST PICKED OUT THE HIGH, HIGH POINTS, THE COMMON THEMES. THEY ASKED NOT TO BE NAMED DUE TO FEAR OF RETALIATION. THEY USE WORDS LIKE AFRAID OF COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. THEY BELIEVE HE DOESN'T HANDLE DISAGREEMENT WELL AND EVEN DESCRIBED AS DANGEROUS IF THEY DON'T AGREE OR VOTE WITH HIM, AND FEEL THAT ANY DISAGREEMENT AS A RESULTED IN SOME EXTREME REACTIONS AND EVEN THEIR PERCEPTION OF PERSONAL VENDETTAS. PNC MEMBERS INDICATED THEY DO NOT WISH TO WORK WITH HIM. FORMER PNC MEMBER DID NOT SEEK REAPPOINTMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED IN CASE COUNCILOR BANFIELD WOULD BE NAMED AS LIAISON. ALSO REPORTED, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALLEGED BUT ATTEMPTED IMPROPER INFLUENCE BY INSTRUCTING THEM TO OVERTURN A PRIOR DECISION MADE BY PNC. AND THEN I HEARD FROM A COUPLE MEMBERS, SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. HARRIS JUST REPORTED, ABOUT, HOW WHAT THEY PERCEIVED AS VEILED THREATS ABOUT HAVING TO GO TO LEGAL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH LEGAL IF THEY DIDN'T MAKE AN IMMEDIATE DECISION TO RESIGN FROM EITHER BOA OR PNC. SO THEY FELT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. I KNOW PNC OFTEN DEALS WITH ISSUES FOR WHICH MEMBERS AND EVEN CITY RESIDENTS HAVE STRONG FEELINGS, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL AND REASONABLE.

I THINK OUR CITY VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVE ON OUR BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS DESERVE OUR RESPECT AND SUPPORT, AS DO OUR CITY STAFF. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH BULLYING AND INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR OR ACTIONS THAT POTENTIALLY VIOLATE OUR ETHICS POLICY OR RULES OF PROCEDURE, IN PARTICULAR, PROVIDING DIRECTION OR ATTEMPTING TO ASSERT UNDUE INFLUENCE OVER DECISIONS. SO I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS REPORTED BEHAVIOR. I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE FOR ANY OF OUR CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS OR BE AFRAID ABOUT THIS. AND SO I UNFORTUNATELY FEEL I HAVE TO SUPPORT JESS HALL'S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. SO. THAT'S WHAT I GOT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I ALSO RECEIVED CALLS.

SOME WERE COMMISSIONERS. THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT WERE NOT ON THE COMMISSION, AND SO LIKE.

COUNCILOR VANESS, I ALSO AGREE, IF THEY ARE NOT COMFORTABLE, THEN I THINK A CHANGE SHOULD BE I SHOULD BE MADE IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. AND, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND AND ALLAY SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. IF IT WAS JUST 1 OR 2, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE CHALKED UP TO PERSONALITIES. BUT THIS WAS ACTUALLY. I'VE HAD SIX CALLS IN REGARD TO THIS. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME PASSION ABOUT IT. AND SO I ALSO SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILOR ALONG THE STATE ARE PUTTING FORWARD. MR. BENNEFIELD. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THE MOST COORDINATED EFFORT BY A BUNCH OF MISINFORMATION IMAGINABLE. BUT THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS ON ALL THIS IS I HAD A FRIEND ONCE TELL ME, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. SO FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I DO THAT. I DOCUMENT EVERYTHING METICULOUSLY, AND THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING THE

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NARRATIVE THAT IS VERY INCORRECTLY BEING SUPPLIED IS FALSE 100% SO FAR. FALSE THAT WHEN ASKED FOR ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY OF THIS, NOBODY WILL SUPPLY ANY FACTS. THEY WON'T SAY WHO, WHY, WHAT, WHERE OR WHEN. THEY WILL JUST SAY THEY'VE RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS FROM SIX DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. WELL, LET'S LET'S SPELL THIS OUT VERY CLEARLY. OKAY? I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM COUNCILOR OWEN, AND I ASKED COUNCILOR OWEN DURING THAT PHONE CALL WHAT BOARD OR COMMISSION SHE PLANNED TO SERVE ON, AND SHE SAID THAT SHE PLANNED TO SERVE ON THE BOA.

AND I EXPLAINED TO HER THAT MY INTENTION WAS TO BE ON THE PNC, AND SHE SAID THAT WAS A FINE PLAN. ABOUT A WEEK LATER, SHE CALLED ME BACK UP, THIS TIME WITHOUT POKER FACE. SHE VERY INSECURELY SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO TRY TO BE ON THE PNC. I SAID, OH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

YOU SAID YOU HAD NO INTEREST TO BE ON THE PNC. AND HER RESPONSE WAS, WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT DOING IT NOW. AND I SAID, NORMA, THERE'S ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT YOU IS YOU DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD POKER FACE. AND SHE SAID, I, I KNOW. AND I SAID, WHO IS PUTTING YOU UP TO THIS, NORMA? IS IT A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER? AND SHE SAID, YES, I AM BEING PRESSURED. AND FORTUNATELY I HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FULLY DOCUMENTED. SO THEN AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, WE HAD THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND TO MY SURPRISE, I WAS NOMINATED TO BE THE LIAISON. AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT MEETING, AND I WILL CORRECT YOU, MR. HARRIS. IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, MR. HARRIS CAME TO ME WHILE I WAS SITTING RIGHT HERE. WELL, BACK UP, BACK UP TWO WEEKS BEFORE ON THE VERY FRONT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. HE WAS OUT THERE TALKING TO MR. ROBERTS, AND HE TOLD MR. ROBERTS THAT IF HE HAD TO CHOOSE, HE WOULD LIKE TO RESIGN FROM THE PNC. AND I WAS THERE PARTICIPATING IN THE CONVERSATION. THEN AT THIS LAST MEETING, JEAN HARRIS CAME UP TO ME AND HE SAID, KNOWING THAT I CAN'T SERVE ON BOTH, I WOULD LIKE TO RESIGN FROM THE PNC.

AND I SAID, OH, WHY? BECAUSE DURING THAT MEETING, IF EVERYBODY RECALLS, I VERY CLEARLY SAID ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS CAUGHT IN A OVERLAP COULD CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES WHICH COMMISSION THEY COULD SERVE ON. AND THAT APPLIED TO MR. HARRIS AS WELL. MR. HARRIS STOOD RIGHT HERE AND HE SAID THAT HIS ENTIRE LIFE HE HAD TOLD HIS WIFE THAT WHEN HE RETIRED, HE WOULD GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH HER, AND THAT SINCE HIS RETIREMENT, HE HAS DONE EVERYTHING BUT THAT, THAT HE HAS BEEN VERY BUSY SERVING ON CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THAT PNC WAS VERY BUSY AND VERY ACTIVE, AND THAT IF HE HAD HIS PREFERENCE, HE WOULD PREFER TO SERVE ON THE BOA. I SAID, OKAY, NO PROBLEM, THANK YOU.

THAT NIGHT IT WAS ON MY MIND. SO I TYPED UP AN EMAIL AND IT WASN'T AN EMAIL TO JEAN. IT WAS A VERY GENERAL EMAIL TO LINDA AIRD, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE THAT I WOULD REACH OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PNC, BUT I DIDN'T JUST EMAIL HER. DID I KNOW I EMAILED JORDAN AND COPIED HER ON THE SAME THREAD AND APPROPRIATELY, I COPIED MR. WEST ON THE SAME THREAD AND I SAID, MR. HARRIS CONFRONTED ME AFTER THE MEETING AND SAID THAT HE FELT LIKE PNC WAS GOING TO BE TOO MUCH TO HANDLE. WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY OPENINGS AVAILABLE, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN NORMAL. AND THEN I SAID, JORDAN, LINDA, WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS WITH ME? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE INTERVIEWS WITH ME? JORDAN, VERY APPROPRIATELY THE NEXT MORNING CONTACTED ME BACK AND SAID, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS. MEANWHILE, MR. HARRIS CONTACTED ME AND SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER WHAT I SAID TO YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO RESIGN NOW, WHY THAT OCCURRED, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME PRESSURE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE BEING INFLUENCED BY AS WELL. THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

I'M FINE EITHER WAY. RIGHT. THE REASON, MR. HARRIS, I SAID THAT I WANTED TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MR. HARRIS. IT HAD TO DO WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT I WAS HAVING WITH MR. SAM. MR. SOM, AT THE SAME TIME WAS ASKING ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS. SO WE

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WE HAD ALREADY CREATED A THREAD WHERE WE HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ASK, HOW WOULD THIS RESOLUTION BE APPLIED? ARE WE APPLYING IT IMMEDIATELY ON THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING TODAY, OR WOULD IT BE APPLIED AT THE DECEMBER 31ST MEETING, MEANING AT THE END OF THE AT THE END OF THE YEAR? AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT NEEDING AN ORDINANCE. SO MR. BULLOCK CREATED A NEW ORDINANCE AS A PART OF THAT THAT MEET ME SAYING WE NEED TO CONTACT THE LAWYER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF INTIMIDATION. IT WAS SIMPLY JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION THAT I HAD. RIGHT. MEANWHILE, LINDA THEN REACHES OUT TO ME AND SAYS, NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AT ALL. THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU DO. TWO HOURS LATER, MR. SAM CONTACTED ME BY EMAIL TELLING ME ABOUT ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT I'M TRYING TO INFLUENCE THEM. NOW I WILL TESTIFY UNDER PERJURY OF OATH. I TALKED TO TWO PEOPLE. THOSE TWO PEOPLE WERE ONE, JEAN HARRIS, WHO CONFRONTED ME AT THE DAIS, WHO THEN RESCINDED HIS DESIRE TO RESIGN. BY THE WAY, HE DID THAT TWICE. AND THE SECOND PERSON I SPOKE TO WAS LINDA AIRD, LETTING HER KNOW OF MR. HARRIS'S DESIRES. NOW, I THINK, ACTUALLY, I DID EXACTLY WHAT A LIAISON IS SUPPOSED TO DO. I FOLLOWED TO THE T EXACTLY THE ROLE OF A LIAISON. I CONTACTED THE CHAIR OF A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, EXACTLY HIS DESIRES. I COPIED JORDAN ON IT AS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, AND I ALSO COPIED MR. WEST AT A LATER DATE. I EVEN COPIED MR. BULLOCK. NOW, IF I'M GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO DOING THE JOB THAT I DID, THEN THAT IS A VERY, VERY SAD STATE. AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING ACTION. IF IT GOES THROUGH THE FACT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IT WITH ME NEVER EVEN SERVING ONE DAY SHOWS THAT IT'S A POLITICAL HIT JOB. AND THAT IS VERY, VERY SAD. AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIMING OF EVENTS. AND TO ALL THOSE CITIZENS OUT THERE, I WILL PROVIDE ANY LEVEL OF EVIDENCE THAT YOU ASK FOR THROUGH ANY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. THANK YOU, MR. BENNEFIELD, REAL QUICK. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN ON IT YET, SO I SAY I HAD HAD MULTIPLE CITIZENS REACH OUT ABOUT IT. TO ME, IT'S MORE ABOUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO JUDGE OR LITIGATE IT. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE CITIZEN LED COMMITTEES. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CITIZENS. IT'S NOT ABOUT US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WHO THE LIAISON IS. I WAS A PART OF ONE OF THESE BEFORE, WHEN MR. DURBIN WAS ASKED TO RELINQUISH HIS LIAISON POSITION WITH THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THEY WANTED ME, AND IT WAS NOT A SAME SITUATION, BUT A SITUATION WHERE, AGAIN, MR. DURBIN COULD MAKE EVERY ARGUMENT THAT HE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, THAT HE COULD POSSIBLY DO. THEY JUST WANTED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO FOR ME, IF THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING THEY WANT A DIFFERENT LIAISON, IT'S THEIR COMMITTEE, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. I HEARD FROM ENOUGH THAT I'M WILLING TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. I AGREE, AND I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN CONSIDERING CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION. AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION, OKAY, I BELIEVE THIS IS A SUPERMAJORITY.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO DEBATE. OKAY. HANG ON, JUST A CALL A QUESTION. YES. CALL THE QUESTION. YES, SIR. I CAN'T RECALL. IS THAT ONE? NEED A SECOND? THANK YOU SIR, I THINK I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE ONES. THAT'S JUST A DIRECT TO THE VOTE. LIMIT DEBATE. OFF OUR SECOND IT SAYS YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO I BELIEVE IT REQUIRES A SECOND. YEAH IT DOES.

HERE'S YOUR CHEAT SHEET MOTION A QUESTION OR A MOTION TO LIMIT THE DEBATE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND I HAVE A SECOND. THERE'S NO NO DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL THOSE AGAINST SAY NAY NAY. OKAY. SO IT'S IT IS APPROVED. MR. BENNEFIELD, AS THE LONE DISSENT. SO THE DISCUSSION ON THAT IS OVER. SO NOW WE ARE BACK TO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WHAT THEY JUST DID IS SILENCED ME FROM BEING ABLE TO TELL THE TRUTH. LET THAT RING IN, MR. BENNEFIELD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE ARE BACK TO THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER

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MADE BY MR. HALL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VAN NESS.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ME SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL THOSE AGAINST A NAY. NAY. MR. DID YOU VOTE ON THAT ONE? I'M NOT GETTING I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE TIME OF DAY OF MY VOTE. YOU DON'T DESERVE IT. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. 5 TO 1 WITH ONE ABSTAIN. SO NOW THAT PUTS US BACK ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2174. SEEKING TO APPOINT SOMEONE AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. DO I HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT? I DON'T I WOULD ACTUALLY JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPOINTING COUNCILOR PRINCE AS THE LIAISON. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND. A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VAN NESS, TO APPOINT MR. PRINCE AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO PNC. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? I YEAH, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS. I HAD PUT PLANNING AND ZONING ON MY LIST OF ONES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR. I HAD NOT PUT BUILDING AND STANDARDS ON MY LIST, BUT WHEN WE GOT TO THAT IN ASSIGNMENTS, NOBODY ELSE HAD IT ON THEIR LIST EITHER, AND THERE WAS A NEED TO DO IT. AND SO I VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT. ALSO ON THE RECORD SAY THAT I, I MADE THE MOTION TO APPOINT MR. BENNEFIELD TO THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD JUST MOVE ON AND MAKE IT AS NON ACRIMONIOUS AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO IF IN FACT APPOINTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING, ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER APPOINTING SOMEONE ELSE IN MY PLACE FOR BUILDING AND STANDARDS. PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. MY QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IS WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AT A LATER DATE, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT WE GO AND HE WANT TO REDO SOMEONE FOR BUILDING AND STANDARDS, I DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION TODAY TO TO CHANGE THE LIAISON FOR BUILDING STANDARDS. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. I DON'T BELIEVE I'M PULLING UP THE. YEAH. AND LOOKING THAT UP I'LL JUST I'LL JUST SAY I, I FEEL WE COULD DO THAT AT A LATER DATE. YEAH. I NEEDED TO COVER BOTH MEETINGS FOR ONE MONTH. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME. OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON IT, MR. HALL? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS EXACTLY APPROPRIATE, BUT I WAS I HAD WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT KAREN VAN NESS, AS I THINK SHE'D BE A DO A GREAT JOB AND AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF INTRODUCE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW PERSON TO SERVE AS THE LIAISON THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR OUR DISCUSSION. I GUESS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, I WOULD TAKE THAT AS A MOTION TO AMEND. AND SO THEN I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE INITIAL MOTION MAKER. ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT AMENDMENT? NO I'M NOT.

SHE'S NOT. SO WE ARE BACK ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED. SIX ZERO WITH ONE ABSTAIN. FIVE. MR. HALL WAS AN A, I THINK. WHAT ARE YOU AN A ON THAT I WAS AN A YES. FIVE.

YEAH. JUST FOR THE, FOR THE REASON OF MY ORIGINAL COMMENT. YEAH. WELL I HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING AT THE END HERE SO I CAN SEE I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL BAD IT'S ALWAYS TO YOU, MR. HALL, AND YOU'RE IN THE SAME POSITION I WAS. YEAH. YEAH, I'M INVISIBLE DOWN HERE, SO.

[X.1. Consideration and possible action regarding Resolution No. 25-2179 through 25- 2186; resolutions by the City Council of the City of Lago Vista, Texas appointing individuals to serve as members on various Boards, Commissions and Committees.]

OKAY. MOVING ON. WE ARE ON 10.1 CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 2179 THROUGH 25 2186 RESOLUTIONS BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS APPOINTING INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE AS MEMBERS ON VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES. SO THIS IS A SERIES OF RESOLUTIONS, JUST LIKE WHEN WE DID LIAISONS. SO LET ME BRING IT OPEN AND I'LL JUST GO IN THE ORDER THAT I HAVE THEM IN THE PACKET. SO THAT MEANS. OKAY, FIRST ONE

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THEN IS RESOLUTION 25 2179. THIS IS APPOINTING FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FILL EXPIRING TERMS FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. MY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE IS THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT I WAS LOOKING TO PUT FORWARD ARE JIM EWALT, GLENN CHAPPIE, NICHOLAS HARGROVE, AND JAMES PECK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? THERE'S NOT. AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT THOSE ARE THE FOUR THAT I WOULD APPOINT. DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM MAYOR PRO TEM DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. NO, I DID NOT VOTE.

OKAY. IT IS SIX ZERO AND ONE ONE ABSTAINING. MAYOR, CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? YES.

MR. THIS IS THE FIRST. MR. PENFIELD, IF YOU IF YOU INTEND TO ABSTAIN FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO, BUT YOU SEEM TO BE DOING THAT. DO WE CONTINUE WITH MR. BENEFIELD ON THE DAIS, ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT PARTICIPATING IN ANY OF THE VOTES, OR DOES HE? SHOULD HE STEP DOWN? DO YOU INTEND TO CONTINUE MAKING A VERY LARGE ASSUMPTION THAT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE? MY FIRST QUESTION WILL YOU BE PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING AND VOTING GOING FORWARD? IT DEPENDS ON THE MOTION. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ABSTAIN FROM A VOTE. OKAY. I CAN ABSTAIN FROM A VOTE FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. OKAY. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION 25 2180. THIS IS TO APPOINT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FILL EXPIRING TERMS MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND I HAVE COUNCILLOR OWEN ON THAT. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE FOUR MEMBERS ARE JAMES PECK, JENNIFER GRUNWALD, ENRIQUE LOPEZ AND NELSON MINYARD. I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THOSE AGAIN? SURE. JAMES PECK.

JENNIFER GRUNWALD. ENRIQUE LOPEZ. AND NELSON MINYARD. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? YOU HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY. THESE ONES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO DO DISCUSSION WHEN THEY LIST THE LIST WHO IT IS AND THEN EMOTION AND THEN DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OR CAN WE JUST BEGIN WITH EMOTION? SINCE THE LIAISON'S ARE ALL CHOOSING YOU CAN YOU CAN OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION OR DEBATE. IF THERE IS NONE, THEN YOU CAN PROCEED STRAIGHT TO THE VOTE. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO START WITH THE MOTION AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE MOTION. YES, SIR. THAT'S THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. OKAY. WELL THEN I WILL TAKE THAT AS A MOTION. THEN I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. I BELIEVE IT'S 601 WITH ONE ABSTAINING. AGAIN IS APPROVED. NEXT. RESOLUTION 25 2181. THIS IS TO APPOINT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FILL EXPIRING TERMS AS MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARD COMMISSION. AND THIS IS COUNCIL PRINCE. YES. SO THE THE FOUR COMMISSIONERS WHOSE TERMS ARE EXPIRING ALL EXPRESS WISH TO TO BE REAPPOINTED. AND I AM RECOMMENDING THAT SO JEFF COBLE AND CLIFTON MCCULLOUGH, FRANK ROBBINS AND DAVE SNYDER. AND THEN THERE WAS ONE POSITION THAT OPENED UP DUE TO A RESIGNATION BY MR. WHERE DO I HAVE IT? I DON'T HAVE THE NAME FOR THAT, BUT THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL ONE, AND FOR THAT ONE ADDITIONAL ONE, I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPOINT MR. JAMES LEE, WHO HAD THIS AS HIS FIRST CHOICE FOR BILLING AND

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STANDARDS. OKAY. MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. SECOND, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. UNDER RESOLUTION 25 2182. THIS WILL BE APPOINTED FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FILL EXPIRING TERMS AS MEMBERS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAVE MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. AND THESE ARE CURRENT MEMBERS THAT HAVE ALL REFILLED. THE FIRST IS JUSTIN LOUCKS. COREY WRIGHT. RUSSELL MURPHY. AND DON JOHNDROE. WE DID HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL, THOUGH. IT SAID FOUR ON THERE THAT WE HAD AN OPEN SEAT ON IT. AND SO I HAVE DONE HERE DAVID KING AS A ONE TO PUT FORWARD. BUT JUST ONE QUESTION IN THE SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF ME, JOHN AUTRY IS ALSO AN INCUMBENT THAT REAPPLIED. IS THAT NOT TRUE? HE DID. WHAT HAPPENED WAS JOHN AUTRY IS THROUGH DECEMBER OF 26 AND JEFF IS ALSO THROUGH DECEMBER OF 26.

THEY THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T REMEMBER THEIR TERMS AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND PUT APPLICATIONS IN. SO MR. AUTRY WILL CONTINUE, WILL CONTINUE HIS TERM. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN. SECOND. I'LL SECOND. WE'LL GIVE THAT ONE TO COUNSELOR DENNIS. ALSO TIE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.