Dec 10, 2025 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

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RIGHT. LET'S CALL IT TO ORDER. WHO IS HERE? CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME, SIR? OH. NO. SECRETARY.

I'LL NOTE WHAT I CAN NOTE. I JUST REALIZED THAT. THANK YOU. DAVID. CAN YOU JUST SAY YOUR

[INTRODUCTION OF NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER(S)]

ROBIN'S. YEAH. ROBIN SAYS, I THINK IS OUR OFFICIAL LAST MEETING TONIGHT IS ROBIN AND.

MARLENE'S OUR REPLACEMENT. OH, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YOU GOT ONE MORE MEETING. STAFF LIAISON. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO FILL US IN ON? OH. ALL RIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE. I'LL DO THIS. SO. SO KAREN IS THE NEW LIAISON FOR YOU ALL. AND SHE HAD A CONFLICT, AND SO SHE ASKED ME IF I WOULD FILL IN SOME. I'M THE GUEST LIAISON TONIGHT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC FROM CITY COUNCIL. I WILL JUST PASS ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I TOLD COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL HAD OFFICIALLY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE TASK TO WORK ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT. I ALSO TOLD THEM THAT YOU HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE GOLF COURSE COMMITTEE THAT THEY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE MATERIAL THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AS INPUT FOR THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND SO DAVID HAS THAT COPY CARRYING IT AROUND WITH HIM. THANK YOU. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. AND AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT. DAVID WAS POINTING OUT THAT THERE'S A CONFUSION IN OUR PROCESS THAT TERMS GO THROUGH. THEY SAY THEY GO THROUGH THE DECEMBER OF A CALENDAR YEAR. AND SO IN THEORY, CAROLYN'S TERM ENDS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, HOWEVER, COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE APPOINTING MARLENE FOR A TERM THAT ENDS TWO YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO SO THERE'S THAT OVERLAP OF MINE. MINE EXPIRED TOO, IN DECEMBER, I THINK I ONLY SERVED THROUGH DECEMBER. AND THEN I GOT APPROVED FOR AND YOU GOT REPORTED. RIGHT. SO SO SO IF, IF, IF, IF A PERSON IS REAPPOINTED TO THEIR SEAT AND THEY'RE OVERLAPPING WITH THEMSELVES I GUESS VERY GOOD. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE AT CITY COUNCIL NEED TO CLEAN UP. SO YOU MET ROBIN, RIGHT? A MINUTE AGO. I THINK MY TERM WAS STILL CONTINUING. YEAH I THINK YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. DID I SAY CAROLYN? YOU DID. I'M SORRY. YOU WERE LOOKING AT CAROLYN WHEN YOU SAID YOU MET ROBIN. HE MEANT HE MEANT NOTHING BY THAT RIGHT HERE.

YEAH. SO, ROBIN, ROBIN'S TERM WITHIN THIS THIS MONTH. RIGHT? EXACTLY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND THEN, MARLENE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. AND THERE'S MARLENE. HELLO, SWEET.

HI. OH. COME ON. OH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A NAMEPLATE AND EVERYTHING ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT. OH, I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. NO. APOLOGIES FOR BEING LATE. NO. YEAH. I GUESS YOU NEED TO SHARE CONTACT INFORMATION WITH US, OKAY? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET HOLD OF YOU. OKAY? NO PROBLEM. PAUL JUST SAID HE'S STANDING IN FOR DAVID. IF YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY OR ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO BACK UP. YEAH. AND MISS CLARK CAN INTRODUCE HERSELF, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. HI. YES. SO MY NAME IS MARLENE GUERRERO. I RESIDE ON CHOCTAW COVE HERE IN LAGO VISTA. I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW, AND CURRENTLY I'M GETTING MY ILP. HOPEFULLY I'M GETTING MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN COMMUNITY REGIONAL PLANNING AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS IN THE SPRING OF 2026. JUST WRAPPING UP MY THESIS. AND I ALSO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW CONSULT A CONSULTANT IN THE CLIMATE AND ENERGY SECTOR. SO VERY ACQUAINTED WITH ALL THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STATEWIDE LEVEL AROUND RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND I'M ALSO DOING AN INTERNSHIP WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND BORDER AFFAIRS, DOING BINATIONAL WORK WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO BE IN THIS SPACE, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN UTILIZE SOME OF MY PLANNING SKILLS IN THIS COMMITTEE AND SEE WHAT I CAN CONTRIBUTE AND LEARN FROM EVERYONE ELSE. YES. WELL, FANTASTIC. WELCOME, WELCOME.

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PICKLEBALL. LIKE THE TRAILS, I PLAY SPORTS. YEAH, CAROLYN DAVIS AND I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 13 YEARS AND JOINED ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND HAPPY TO BE HERE. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PARKS AND REC PLANNING AND HIGHLAND VILLAGE, TEXAS, SO WE DEVELOPED AN OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, OPEN SPACE AND PARKS MASTER PLAN AND TIED IN WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. SO EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS ONE AS WELL. SO UNDER GAIL, I LIVED HERE FOR 26 YEARS. I'M THE PARKS MARINE CAMPGROUND MANAGER FOR THE ELBOW ACROSS THE ROAD. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE TRYING TO BOND TOGETHER. AND YES, DEFINITELY GET THINGS GOING. I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY DOING VARIOUS THINGS ALONG A LOT, HELPING THE SCHOOLS AT ISD IS WHAT MY DAUGHTER WAS GOING THROUGH. PLAYGROUNDS IN, AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE CROSS COUNTRY TRACK LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL BEEN AROUND, DONE A LOT OVER THE YEARS. OH, MY NAME IS IKE CORONAS. I OWN THE DOMINOES HERE LOCALLY. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL LITTLE LEAGUE, AND I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT LEAGUE 100%.

AND IN OUR KIDS. BASICALLY OUT OF THE I'VE, I'VE BEEN PRESIDENT OF CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE. I'VE BEEN ON MULTIPLE CITY COMMITTEES, AND I LOVE WORKING WITH SMARTER PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS TO TO MAKE MYSELF BETTER. I'M EXTREMELY EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT RENEWABLE ENERGY AT SUNSET PARK IN THE UPPER FIELD, WHICH IS TO TO BENEFIT, AND THE LOWER FIELD FOR THAT MATTER. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S ME. THANKS. I'M MARK DOUGLAS. WE'VE LIVED HERE.

MY WIFE PAM AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR NINE AND A HALF YEARS. I HAVE SERVED ON A PREVIOUS COMMITTEE, THE GOLF GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M CURRENTLY ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO I'M KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF HOW COMMITTEES RUN. AND I'M PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE AND PARKS. I THINK WE DO BETTER. SO I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS GET THROUGH DAVID AND INTO CITY COUNCIL. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EXECUTE A LOT OF OUR IDEAS. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, DAVID, ACTUALLY, JUST ONE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT. AND I'M GOING TO BRING GEMS UP HERE TO SORT OF HELP MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. AND SCALE IS INVOLVED IN THIS.

IN FACT, I WILL LET YOU PASS THIS AROUND. THERE ARE TWO PAGES TO LOOK AT. THERE'S THAT ONE. AND THEN THE WHERE IS THERE SOMEWHERE IN HERE. YES, IT'S BACK THERE, THE FINISHED PRODUCT. OKAY. THERE AND THERE. OKAY. THE NEW SIGN. YES. YEAH. SO IT'S ALL YOU OKAY. WELL, I REALLY DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I WILL. I WILL GIVE IT MY BEST SHOT. I AM JANICE DDA, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. AND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS A WALL THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PLANNING FOR FIVE YEARS NOW, FIVE YEARS AGO. KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL AND THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN, THE LIONS CLUB, THE WOMEN'S CLUB, THE THE CHURCHES, JUST EVERY GROUP IN TOWN CONTRIBUTED THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO SUPPORT THIS CITY AND SUBMITTED IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S, THE GC, AA AWARD, AND WE WON. I BELIEVE IT WAS $110,000. AND THIS WALL WAS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE

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CORRECT. SO WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS IT ON? OKAY. IT'S ON THAT 1431. IT'S ON THE LEFT.

GOOD. IF YOU'RE HEADING IN ON 1431, IT'S ON THE RIGHT. PERFECT. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I NEED. I BELIEVE IT'S ACROSS FROM TYLER TRAIL. YES, YES YES, YES. IT'S AN OLD FM. YEAH, RIGHT. THE CLOSED OFF SECTION OF OLD FM 1431, DONALD SCOTT. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE. YEAH. IF YOU DRIVE OUT, JUST PAY ATTENTION. IT'S A YEAH. YEAH IT'S A IT'S A TRIANGLE. I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT TRIANGLE CONCRETE WALL ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS JONESTOWN ON TOP OF THE HILL. OKAY. YEAH. JUST ON THE RIGHT IS JUST ALL THAT DIRT AND STUFF THAT THEY'RE USING. YES.

OKAY. IT'LL BE MUCH MORE NOTICEABLE ON THE LEFT. OKAY. IT'LL BE MUCH MORE NOTICEABLE ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS TO PAY ATTENTION 100% OTHERWISE.

BECAUSE IF YOU'VE LIVED HERE MORE THAN TWO YEARS, YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MIND GOING THROUGH THAT STUFF. SO ANYWAY, WELL, THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. I HAVE ONE, I'M EXCITED. ONE SIDE SAYS, EXPLORE OUR SCENIC CITY WITH A SAILBOAT.

THE OTHER SIDE IS JUST LOG. OR IS THAT JUST EITHER SIDE? THE LETTERING? YES, THAT'S. AND AS I SAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING ON THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS AGREED TO FIVE YEARS AGO, WAS RIGHT AFTER WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST SCENIC CITY AWARD. YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IS CHOSEN OR IF IT WAS. YEAH. NO, IT'S A ONE ON ONE SIDE, ONE ON THE OTHER. THAT'S NICE THAT IT'S ON BOTH SIDES. YES, IT'S REALLY NICE. IT'S REALLY NICE. GOOD DIRECTION. WOW. FANTASTIC. GOOD JOB. IS IT GOING TO BE NICER THAN JONESTOWN'S LITTLE. OH. THE ONE, THE ONE THAT CAME AND WENT. NO. IT'S BACK. I'M.

YEAH, I'M. YEAH I'M AWARE. THANK YOU. FANTASTIC. TALK ABOUT PERSEVERANCE. GOOD JOB.

YEAH YEAH. NO KIDDING. NO KIDDING. THAT'S A PROJECT. AFTER THE FIRST TWO YEARS, THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGN AND THE PLANTS. TXDOT HAS FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS. YES. WELL, THE CONTRACTOR HAS MAINTENANCE FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS. YES, YES, THAT'S A NICE DEAL. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S TWO YEARS LONG TIME. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ALL WITH EDUCATION ON MAINTENANCE. YES. THAT'S AWESOME. OKAY. WE'VE GOT

[CITIZEN COMMENTS]

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IT'S AWESOME. SO THE SOFTBALL FIELDS SPECIFICALLY WERE GREAT FOR OUR GIRLS THIS SEASON IN SUNSET PARK, AND THE ONLY THING I WANT TO BRING UP WAS JUST A FEW NEEDS IN THERE. WE'VE NEVER HAD CASES THAT ARE REQUIRED ASSISTANCE FOR OUR YOUNGER GIRLS. IT'S NEVER BEEN UP THERE WITH THOSE KIND OF PLAY INCORRECT, BASICALLY. SO IT'S LIKE A 55 FOOT FACE UP THERE, AND ALSO JUST A NEED FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD TO BE GAME READY FOR SPRING. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN WALK UP THERE AND JUST WALK ALONG WHAT WE NEED JUST FOR THE SPRING SEASON, I KNOW IT'S NOT TILL MARCH, BUT THAT'S WHEN I COME. SO OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND PUT IN PUTTING IN DIRT, WHICH IS A GREAT NEED ON BOTH FIELDS. IT'S GOT A SET THAT DIRT'S GOT TO SET AND BE PACKED AND PROBABLY ADDED TO AND, AND AND THE THE ENTRANCE IS GREAT TOO. AND, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST I WAS A LITTLE BIT IFFY ON WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GOING TO BE SAFER, BUT IT'S FANTASTIC. I MEAN, WE'VE USED IT MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S GREAT. IT'S MUCH SAFER. SO I KNOW BEFORE WHEN I WAS SCHEDULED FOR THE LEAGUE, THEY WOULD SAY, IS THAT THE PARK THAT THE SCARY ENTRANCE. THIS IS MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. I IF I COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, SHARE A LITTLE INSIGHT AS AN UMPIRE FOR DECADES AND A FEW YEARS HERE. YOU KNOW THE BASE LENGTHS IT'S CRUCIAL TO TO MATCH THEM TO TO THE AGE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A MAJOR DEAL TO, TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT, YOU KNOW, SINK THE, THE RECEPTACLE, THE RECEPTACLE UNDERNEATH THE GROUND. AND I MADE, MADE BASES. YEAH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDER THE BLEACHERS I THINK. YEAH.

I'M, I'M BEHIND YOU 100%. YEAH. THE BASEBALL THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELD, BOTH FIELDS AT SUNSET PARK ARE OFF ON MEASUREMENTS. SO FOR YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES ARE PRIORITIES AND WHAT WE NEED TO ATTACK FIRST MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT, BUT I OBVIOUSLY I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT GEO AND HIS COMMENTS. THANK YOU JERRY. YEAH, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. I HAVE GOT SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE

[1. Ball Field Light Replacement at Upper Field]

YEAH. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I JUST IF THE LEAGUE NEEDS IF THE, IF THE LOCAL LEAGUE NEEDS TO TRY AND DO THIS REPLACEMENT, SO BE IT. IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR. AND ACTUALLY GEO MR. PEREZ COULD PROBABLY COMMENT ON THIS. THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR OVER A YEAR. AND TO A DETRIMENT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT FOR OUR KIDS, THAT THESE LIGHTS HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE OR THE CITY NEEDS TO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WHO'S WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE. IS IT GOING TO BE THE LEAGUE OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE CITY? I FEEL IT SHOULD BE THE CITY. THAT'S MY OPINION. THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE COULD SAY OTHERWISE. SO THE REALITY IS, IS THE RULES GOVERNING. SO THE CONTRACT DOESN'T REALLY SPECIFY LIGHTS SPECIFICALLY. SO I'VE GOT A QUOTE FROM IT'S IT WOULD BE $2,055 TO REPLACE THE SIX BULBS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NONFUNCTIONAL. SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO. WHAT IS KIND OF UNCLEAR. AND SO ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS THAT IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY IS A REWRITING OF A NEW AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND LAGO VISTA UNITED BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL. AND ISSUES LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT. THE THE WAY THAT IT IS WORKING PRESENTLY IS THAT THE LEAGUE HAS EXCLUSIVE USE TO ALMOST EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE BALL

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AND IT MARKED IT CLOSED THROUGH JANUARY 31ST SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WRESTLE THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF SO THAT IT'S REALLY, REALLY CLEAR. SO GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE LIGHTS, I THINK IT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE THAT THE CITY GO AHEAD AND AND REPLACE THOSE SIX BULBS AT ITS COST. THAT WOULD BE 20, $35. BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR MOVING FORWARD IN AN AGREEMENT, WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF MAINTENANCE FACILITY, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY EXPLICIT USES. I HAVE A QUESTION. SORRY, JUST VERY NEW TO THIS UPPER FIELD. WHO IS THE CITY? THE OWNERSHIP OF THE UPPER FIELD OR NO. YES, IT IS UNDER YES, IT'S UNDER CITY JURISDICTION. OKAY.

CORRECT. AND IT'S BUT IT CURRENTLY ITS USE IS UNDER AGREEMENT TO. THAT MAKES SENSE.

IF IT'S ONLY BEEN LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE RESERVED USE TO A CERTAIN GROUP RATHER THAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD REPLACE THOSE LIGHTS. I THINK IF THE ACTUAL LEAGUE HAD TO DO IT THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY'D HAVE TO GET TRUCKS OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUCKET TRUCK. YEAH. PETE PSC GOT THAT. AND WITHIN THE CITY. SO YOU KNOW THE TRICKY PART TO BE HONEST, PSC WILL COME OUT AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE LIGHTS. WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT HONESTLY, MR. PEREZ, PROBABLY HE AND I HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. THE REAL THING IS CONSIDERING THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN LAGO VISTA, IN THAT PROPERTY, IS GETTING TRUCKS TO THE LIGHTS, AND IF THEY DRIVE ON THE FIELD, THOSE ARE BIG TRUCKS, THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR UP THE FIELD. AND THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND THEN YOU GOT TO THINK OF THE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. IT'S A TRICKY IT'S A TRICKY DEAL. SO. FOR THE FOR

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OH RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T. YEAH OKAY. YOU WOULDN'T USE YOUR. OKAY. IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE PICKLEBALL LIGHTS. AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY RENTED A POLE BEHIND LIFT. YEAH. WHICH IS SMALLER AND MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE. SO. SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY WILL WORK BETTER OUT THERE. OKAY. THAN A STANDARD FOOD TRUCK. OKAY. SO WHEN DO YOU PROPOSE TO GET THE NEW. I'VE GOT THE QUOTES. ALL I HAVE TO DO IS GIVE THEM APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'LL START WORKING ON NEW. RULES AND REGULATIONS. ALREADY. ALREADY ALREADY STARTED. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. THE FEE SCHEDULE YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE IS I GUESS IT'S RELATIVE TO AREA BALL FIELDS, COSTS FOR LEAGUES AND ORGANIZATIONS OR I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING YOUR FEES. YEAH. SO ACTUALLY I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO MOST OF THE ADJACENT CITIES AND HAVE HAVE THOSE FIGURES FROM THEM. THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M WAITING FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S A CHALLENGE. SO IN FACT, I WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH GEO, AND THAT IS I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT THE DISTRICT USES FOR HIGH SCHOOL FACILITIES, BECAUSE THAT IS A LOCAL COMPARISON. YES. I'M JUST CURIOUS. AND THE HIGH SCHOOL JUST STARTED DOING THAT. SO HAS ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR DAVID ON

[2. Bowden Point Park Swing Set Replacement]

MR. ANDINO WHO IS WELL-KNOWN MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, SHE AND I BASICALLY ADMINISTER THIS.

AND WHEN WHEN THE SWING SET DISAPPEARED, OUR GROUP GOT HOWLS OF COMPLAINTS. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNEW THE INSIDE BASEBALL. I APPRECIATE YOU RESPONDING TO THAT. YEAH. SO I RESPOND TO THAT. AND I THINK THAT TAMED THEM A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE VOLUNTEER TO DONATE A A COMPLIANT SWING SET. THE TWO TWO PEOPLE WERE FORMER COUNCILOR PAUL ROBERTS AND CURRENT COUNCILOR AMANDA CHAVARRIA. SHARIA CHAVARRIA.

CHAVARRIA. THANK YOU. MY BAD. I WAS I WAS STUMBLE ON THAT ONE. I'M NOT SURE. AND I RECALL, DAVID, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND IT. BUT I ALSO RECALL THAT, YOU KNOW, LAGO VISTA KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL ALSO WAS DEAD SET AGAINST, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT LOOK LIKE A PRISON, SO TO SPEAK. SO I WENT OUT AND I TOOK A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THEY'RE CALLED CATTLE PANEL FENCES. THE FIRST ONE I TOOK AND I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO, YOU KNOW, HIS HOME, HE WAS HAPPENED TO BE HOME, LIKE, CAN I TAKE SOME PICTURES? I EMAILED THESE PICTURES TO ALL OF YOU JUST SHORTLY A WHILE AGO, AND I DID THAT PURPOSELY BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO DIGGING IN YOUR EMAIL LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIX HOURS AGO OR SIX DAYS AGO. AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE WOODEN FRAME ONE VERY ATTRACTIVE. NOT SURE IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SUITABLE FOR HARD USE IN THE CITY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, IRONICALLY, IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ON HIGHLAND LAKES. AND THAT'S A METAL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL. I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE COMPLIANT, BUT THEY LOOK NICE. THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A CHAIN LINK FENCE.

I HAVE NO IDEA ON COST. I WOULD BE GLAD TO GET, YOU KNOW, COSTS ON THAT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COSTS ARE ON A SWING SET. MAYBE YOU YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME INSIGHT THERE. I'VE JUST SHARED THAT WITH YOU. THAT'S THE PAPER THAT JUST. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GAZE AT THAT. SORRY.

TOO BUSY TALKING. YEAH. YEAH. SO? SO FOLKS ARE SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE RAISED THEIR HAND WILLING TO DONATE. THOSE ARE THE TWO I KNOW. YEAH. IT'S WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED COSTS ARE. AND SO THE FIRST TWO PAGES OF WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU AND YOU CAN JUST

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IT HAS TO BE SUPERVISED. SUPERVISORS OF CHILDREN HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF BASIC STUFF. AND IT REALLY SERVES AS A BARRIER TO ANY POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF BASIC STUFF. OKAY. SO I THINK THOSE FENCES WOULD COMPLY.

AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN YOUR RUN OF THE MILL CHAIN LINK. BUT THAT MEANS THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT IF WE'VE GOT DONORS I'M ALL FOR IT. YEAH.

BUT YEAH. SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A SENSE A OF SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED.

AND THOSE ARE IN FACT COMPLIANT ELEMENTS. THE OTHER STUFF IS STUFF THAT WOULD BE NEEDED OR MAYBE DESIRED. SO I LISTED SHADE STRUCTURES FOR EXAMPLE. NOT A HAS TO BE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE JUST FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT AGAIN THOSE AREN'T CHEAP AND THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF SHADE AND THERE AREN'T A LOT OF SPACES. SO FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARTICULAR SWING SET, THE SPATIAL REQUIREMENT IS 28FT BY 32FT. AND SO YOU'RE JUST UNDER 1000FT■!S JUST FOR THE SWING SE, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. THERE AREN'T A LOT OF JUST OPEN SPACES IN THE POINT THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO ON PAGE 2 OR 3 OF THAT, YOU SEE I'VE INDICATED WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL LOCATION. AND I WILL SAY THIS, ANDREW IS PROBABLY A WEALTH OF INFORMATION AND A GOOD RESOURCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M CORRECT THAT, YOU KNOW, ARROWHEAD PARK, THAT SWING SET, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF A PLAY STRUCTURE. YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FAIRLY RECENT WITHIN CERTAINLY WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS YOU HAVE 19 OR 20 OR SO.

BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER I CAN REMEMBER ARROWHEAD NOT HAVING THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT THE FENCE UP AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT CAME A LITTLE LATER. OR DID THAT COME AT THE SAME TIME? DID IT? AND YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, WITHIN A FEW MONTHS. YEAH. SO I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR STANDARD, YOU KNOW, BLACK WROUGHT IRON STRUCTURE, WHICH IS VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY DARN EXPENSIVE. IT'S GREEN. AND THEN AFTER THAT I DID PUT THAT, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S ALL IT ALL GOES TOGETHER.

I PUT THAT BIG SUNSHADE UP THERE BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, I GET COMPLAINTS AFTER COMPLAINTS AFTER COMPLAINTS, KITCHENS AND BURNING THE BUTTS ON THE SLIDES AND THINGS. I WAS GOING TO SAY REAL QUICK AS EVERYONE PERUSES OVER, OVER THIS INFORMATION. ONE THING I DIDN'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS. I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD USE PEA GRAVEL ANYMORE. SO GRAVEL IS THE SUBSURFACE. OH, SORRY. YEAH. WAY DOWN. AND SO IT'S NOT RETAINED IN THE MULCH.

OKAY. SORRY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY LITERALLY THE DRAWING UNDERNEATH SHOWS YOU THAT THERE IS. OH, YES. A COMPACTED SURFACE THAN THE PEA GRAVEL THAN A FABRIC SURFACE. AND THEN YOUR REPLACEMENT AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS, IS THERE A. IS THERE A PARKING SPACE RATIO. SO THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES THERE, ONE OF WHICH COULD BE DESIGNATED HANDICAP. RIGHT. BUT IS THERE A PARKING SPACE RATIO FOR THE SWING SET. AND THAT'S WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BASED ON. SO YOU ONLY HAVE TWO. ONE OF THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE HANDICAPPED. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THERE ISN'T YOU KNOW YOU DON'T

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THEY'RE JUST DOING WHATEVER. OKAY, I GUARANTEE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW VERY SHORTLY. SO.

YEAH, BUT THE PARK PARKING LOT HAS TWO SPACES. ONE OF THOSE SIMPLY WOULD NEED TO BE CONVERTED, AND THAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE PARKING THAT IS THERE. YEAH. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE'D HAVE TO EXPAND IT. YEAH. VERY GOOD. SO GIVEN ENOUGH MONEY, IT'S DOABLE. ANYTHING'S DOABLE WITH ENOUGH MONEY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THE ONE THING, THOUGH, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THESE INDIVIDUAL PRICES. DID I SEE A TOTAL ON THAT? I DON'T THINK I DID, NO. BECAUSE THE THE WHOLE LIST OF THINGS ON PAGE THREE, THOSE ARE THINGS FOR WHICH I DON'T HAVE COSTS. OKAY. LIKE FENCING INSTALLATION, THE INSTALLATION OF THE PLATE. NONE OF THOSE ARE COST. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHY I SAY THIS IS JUST A FLAVOR FOR REAL DOLLAR COST FOR SOME OF THE ELEMENTS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S NOT AN INSTALLATION COST REAL REAL QUICK. HAVE YOU BEEN TO LAKELINE PARK IN CEDAR PARK? LAKELINE PARK, PROBABLY.

I'D NEVER. I'D NEVER SEEN IT. IT'S OFF A LITTLE ELM BETWEEN LAKELINE AND 183. SO OUR FOURTH GRADERS WENT THERE TODAY, AND I WAS A CHAPERON. I NEEDED A NAP WATCHING THEM RUN AROUND, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT PARK IS I THINK IT HAS A LOT TO I THINK IT HAS A LOT TO OFFER. AND IF IF WE COULD PUT THAT IN OUR MEMORY BANKS GOING DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA. I JUST WANT TO DROP THAT NUGGET SINCE THAT THAT HAPPENED TODAY. YES, SIR. IS IT ON TWIN PARKS ON 183? NO. IT'S. SO YOU'RE THINKING OF TWIN PARKS LIKE YMCA. THAT'S ON THE THE EAST SIDE OF 183. THIS IS THE PARK I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED. AND BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE 183 A AND THE TRAFFIC GOING UP ONTO 45 AND EVERYTHING FROM THE DISTANCE. BUT THERE'S A BIG POND AND IT'S GOT ZIP LINES AND TONS OF SWINGS. KIDS WERE THERE FOR HOURS TODAY. I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY NEW, AND THERE'S A WHOLE THING IN. LEANDER'S ABOUT EXPANDING IT EVEN MORE. REALLY? YEAH. WELL, THIS ONE, THIS ONE'S, THIS ONE'S CLOSE TO LAKELINE MALL. RIGHT. IT'S THAT.

YES. IT'S. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S I THINK IT'S IN ONE OF THEIR 11 PARKS THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH. IT'S LITERALLY ACROSS 183 FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING FROM TWIN FROM THERE'S MUCH DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. EXACTLY. I HAD A QUESTION ON THE PARK ON THE SWING. AND AGAIN, I HAVE I THINK I SEEN IT AND WHY NOT. BUT IS THERE ENOUGH LIGHTING IN THE PARK AT THE MOMENT. NO. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE PURELY A DAYTIME ACTIVITY. JUST DAYTIME GIVEN ITS LOCATION. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE DATE NIGHT TEN YEARS. OKAY.

RIGHT. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MAJOR STREETS ON BOTH SIDES IS THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PARKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CLOSE AT SUNSET. YEAH. MOST PARTS. GOOD EVENING HOURS.

GOOD. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE A, NOT A NOT A TYPICAL WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET IF YOU, IF YOU LIGHT IT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE NO SHADOWS. AND IT ONCE YOU'VE GOT THINGS UP IN THE AIR, YOUR SHADOWS EVERYWHERE. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT LIGHTS EVERYWHERE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND, NOT JUST OUR TOWN, IF YOU LOOK AROUND CEDAR PARK NOW, YOU'LL NOT FIND A PLAYGROUND LETTER BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. YEAH. CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT EMAIL TO US OR. YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. DAVID. THE PERIMETER. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FENCING THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OR JUST AROUND THE PLAYSCAPE? SO THAT WAS THE PLACE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING THERE, YELLOW, THE INTERIOR YELLOW BOX, THAT'S SORT OF THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE PLAYGROUND. RIGHT. AND THEN BEYOND THAT THERE IS A CHECK LINE THAT INDICATES THE FENCE LINE. OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST A FENCE PRETTY MUCH AROUND THE PLACE. AROUND THE PLACE. YES.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE DISCUSSED. ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS TO TRY AND FENCE THAT ENTIRE BOWDEN POINT JUST SEEMED OBNOXIOUS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. WOULD BE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. YES. YEAH. AND THAT YEP I CONCUR. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST AN AREA JUST FOR THE NOT RUNNING ROOM. IT'S JUST AROUND THE PLACE. YES. YEAH, IT LITERALLY WOULD BE

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KIND OF LIKE ARROWHEAD. YEAH. MAYBE. MAYBE EVEN CODY. CODY HAS A FENCE AROUND IT TOO. BUT I MEAN, YES, I MEAN, IF WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS, THAT'S A BIGGER ONE. I SUGGEST YOU YOU PUT A BUFFER OF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EIGHT, TEN FEET BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE BENCHES IN FOR PARENTS TOO. YES. THAT'S KIND OF I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS IT SEEMS A BIT SMALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. NO. IT'S YOUR FIRST STOP. YEAH, YEAH. BUT NO, ANYTHING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. OKAY. JUST. YEAH. MORE FENCE, MORE MONEY. YEAH. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT DOWNERS AT THE OTHER END OF THE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND RELATIVE TO OTHER THINGS WE DO. OKAY. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND FOR THE RECORD, THAT PROPERTY WHICH IS ACROSS NATIONAL FROM THE PARKING SPACES, IS OWNED BY SOMEONE NAMED YOLANDA VILLANUEVA. AND SHE HAS A HOUSTON ADDRESS. I THINK I LOOKED INTO THAT ONCE BEFORE BECAUSE I WAS SMILING LIKE, YOU KNOW THAT NAME? WELL, I'M FROM HOUSTON. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN OF US THAT ARE FROM THAT ARE FROM HOUSTON, BUT NO VILLANUEVA. HOUSTON. WELL, ONE OF MY BEST FRIEND'S NAME IS SAUL VILLANUEVA. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL GET. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. YEAH, I MIGHT BE BUYING SOME PROPERTY. IT'S THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. OH, THAT'S NOT BAD. THAT'S NICE. YEAH, I THINK IT WASN'T IT. AT ONE POINT WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT.

THE ZONING CHANGE FOR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I REMEMBERED SOMETHING A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT THAT ACQUISITION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. LONG TERM AS ANYBODY ELSE. GOT ANYTHING ON THIS SUBJECT? OH, I'VE GOT SOMEBODY OUT THERE ABOUT TO. YOU PREPARED TO FIELD THAT? DAVID, THAT'S UP TO YOU. WELL, NO, WAIT A MINUTE. NO, I AGAIN I DID NOT COME PREPARED TO SPEAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL HAS REALLY INVESTED AN AWFUL LOT IN POINTS. YOU HAVE AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON OUR OWN PLAN, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT I'M HERE SO THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE BECAUSE OUR LONG TERM PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS MET AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. A PLAYSCAPE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY REPLACING THE SWING SET THAT WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, SMALL SWING SET. THAT'S ALL THIS COULD BE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE KIND OF WANTED IN THE SAME PLACE. IT'S UNDER A SHADE. YEAH. TAKE IT, TAKE A PEEK. OKAY. YEAH. TAKE A PEEK. TAKE A PEEK. YEAH OKAY. YES. THIS IS EXACTLY I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MEETINGS BEFORE THAT WE WANT TO BE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM. RIGHT. WE WE LIKE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT PLAYSCAPE. YEAH A CATTLE FENCE. IT'S PROBABLY JUST SO INCORRECT TERMINOLOGY. YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE LOOKING AT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THERE WE KNOW OF ONE PERSON WHO HAD VOLUNTEERED TO DONATE A SWING SET. WE'RE LOOKING AT FENCING AROUND IT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GROUND UNDERNEATH. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT PUTTING AN ADA ACCESSIBLE TRAIL THROUGH THE PARK, SETTING UP POINTS WHERE WE INTEND TO PUT ART DISPLAYS, SCULPTURES. WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT LOCAL ARTISTS AND FEATURING THEM ALONG THIS PATHWAY, AND IT WOULD BE ADA ACCESSIBLE. TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT EXPANDING THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT, NOT A WHOLE LOT. NOT GOING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THAT PARKING SPACE OUT A LITTLE BIT. AND WE STILL LOOKED AT ONE ADA SPOT THAT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE NUMBER THAT WE HAD. I THINK IT'S LIKE ONE ADA ACCESSIBLE SPOT FOR 100 OR MAYBE 200 PARKING SPOTS. BUT ANYWAY, WAY MORE THAN I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DAVID THROUGH THE PROCESS. OKAY. BUT NOT AS AN ORGANIZATION. NOT NOT ENTIRELY AS MUCH. YOU KNOW, DAVID HAS CERTAINLY TALKED TO US ABOUT ADA ACCESSIBILITY AND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO CERTAINLY HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING IN WALKWAYS AND THINGS IN OTHER PLACES. SO YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADA ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY THROUGH THE PARK, TALKING ABOUT FOOTBRIDGE THAT WOULD ALSO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. WE HAVE FUNDING FOR SOME OF IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU CAN BRING IT BEFORE THEM.

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YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU. WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL. DEFINITELY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'M JUST LIKE PROCESS. YEAH. THIS IS IN CONVERSATION OKAY OKAY. NO I MEAN I'M. YEAH.

RIGHT. IT SOUNDS GREAT. I JUST GOT AN ADA PATH GOING TO THAT, YOU KNOW. SO I MEAN IT ALL IT ALL INTERLINKS IF YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN. YES. YES, DEFINITELY. AND YOU KNOW, JUST I WOULD JUST KIND OF LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS I THINK THAT MOST OF YOU KNOW, DAN AND THE SELLERS AND THIS IS REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT PLACE FOR THEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY INFLUENTIAL IN, IN THIS CITY AND CERTAINLY IN BEAUTIFYING THE CITY FOR THE REST OF YOUR EVERYTHING. SO JUST KIND OF KEEP KEEP US IN MIND. AND YEAH, WE WOULD SO I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE PLANS TO PRESENT SOMETHING HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY TO CITY COUNCIL. SO COULD YOU PRESENT IT TO US AT THE SAME TIME OR BRING IT TO ME. YEAH. BEFORE I WILL, YOU KNOW, I WILL SEND YOU, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I HAVE, WHENEVER I HAVE IT. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO ASK TOO MUCH OF DAVID, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION WITH DAVID AND THEN WORK ON A PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMITTEE BEFORE SHE GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO ME. YEAH, NO IT SHOULD. OR YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL. PARKS FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMITTEE. SO IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION HERE. OKAY. AND SO YEAH. YEAH. SO ACTUALLY MUCH OF WHAT JANICE JUST OUTLINED ACTUALLY SHE, DAN AND DENISE AND I ACTUALLY CHATTED RIGHT OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL HERE ABOUT SIMILAR KINDS OF THINGS. AND, BUT IT'S ALL STILL SORT OF IN THE FORMULATION STAGES, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE FLESHED OUT.

AND I AM ATTENDING THEIR MEETINGS AS I WILL BE TOMORROW AFTERNOON. YEAH. I'LL PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA. NO. WELL. WELL PLAYED. WELL, WELL PLAYED. JUST SO THAT THAT COMMUNICATION GOES BACK AND FORTH. AND AGAIN THE SAME THING IS TRUE, JANICE, WITH THIS, THIS IS LITERALLY A DISCUSSION ITEM. THAT'S THAT'S ALL IT IS. AND SO IT IS LITERALLY NOTHING MORE THAN A SWING SET WITH A FENCE AROUND IT AND A NECESSARY SURFACING AND A PATH TO IT IN THE SAME BASIC LOCATION AS WAS PREVIOUS. BUT IT CAN'T BE IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE HIGH CLEARANCES AND OTHER CLEARANCES. SO IT LITERALLY IS JUST SLIGHTLY SHIFTED OVER. BUT IT'S IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA. AND I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION AS I WAS LOOKING AT SWING SETS, THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE EIGHT FEET AND SOME THAT WERE TEN FEET, AND I WASN'T SURE FROM WHAT I WAS READING AT EIGHT FEET WAS ACCEPTABLE 8FT OR 10FT. YEAH, BOTH OF THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE. THEY SIMPLY DETERMINE HOW MUCH SURFACING YOU HAVE. RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THAT IS AN EIGHT FOOT TALL OKAY. SO IT REQUIRES NINE INCHES OF SURFACING. BUT THEY TELL YOU TO EXPECT 25% DISPLACEMENT. SO YOU AUTOMATICALLY NEED LOVE EDGES.

RIGHT OKAY. ALL RIGHT I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL. CORRECT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU YOU KNOW OF A DONOR. IS IT WOULD THAT BE A THIRD DONOR BESIDES THE TWO I KNOW OF OR IT'S ONE OF IT'S EITHER A MAN OR THE TWO. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S TOO BAD. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IN ADDITION TO MONEY FROM THE CITY FOR THE WALKWAY, CALEB DOES HAVE SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT WE THAT WE COULD USE FOR SUCH A PROJECT. YES, YES, THAT COULD BE REMEMBERING WRONG, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET MONEY FOR CALEB TO COVER THAT WALKWAY. NO, WE HAVE REQUESTED IT. YEAH, AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN WHAT THE CITY ALLOTTED TO US THIS YEAR. BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT THE FUNDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT IS A TRAIL THAT IF WE PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S ADA ACCESSIBLE, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET MONEY FROM THE TREE FUND AND THAT CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, THAT'S VERY LIKELY. I DON'T KNOW WHO TOLD YOU THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. YEAH. IT WASN'T A GUARANTEED COUNCIL HAS NOT HAS NOT ACTUALLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION. NO, NO THEY HAVEN'T. AND IT

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SO YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED. WELL, NOT WHEN WE FIRST, BUT RECENTLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AGAIN, THE THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE DRAFT OF THE PARKS PLAN. AND BOWDEN POINT WAS ON THAT. AND SO WE KIND OF TOOK THAT ON AS WELL AS THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AT PLANNING TO DO AT THIS POINT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. BUT I'M VERY NEW. BUT I THINK, YEAH, THE STREAMLINING IS GOING TO BE VERY CRUCIAL MOVING FORWARD.

YEP. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE WORKING ON A PLAN FOR THE CIRCLE, IS THAT WHAT IS THAT INSIDE THE CIRCLE AT DAWN. WERE Y'ALL BEAUTIFY THAT OR IS THAT ACROSS THE STREET AT THE ANNE MORROW 4TH OF JULY CIRCLE? THAT'S THE I THINK Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SPOT. I THINK YOU ARE. I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SPOT. NO, WE THE ONE WE THE ROUNDABOUT. INSIDE THE ROUNDABOUT. YEAH. SO ROUNDABOUT. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. AT THE END OF DAWN. YEAH. THAT PART OF DAWN HAS, HAS DONE SOME PLANTING THERE IN THE PAST. WE HAVE A CACTUS GARDEN THAT WE TAKE CARE OF OVER THERE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN AROUND DOING STUFF FOR A LONG TIME. RIGHT. YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF NEW TO THE BUSINESS. SO WE CHANGED IT TO P1 B JUST RECENTLY. EXCUSE ME. WE CHANGED IT TO A, P1 B THAT AREA AT THE END OF THE PARK AT THE END OF DAWN, WHERE THE OLD WATER TANKS USED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I PROBABLY YES ACROSS FROM US. RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT PLANS FOR THAT AND YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE AS WELL.

SO BUT YEAH, WELL THIS THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND WE DO HAVE APPROVAL FOR FUNDING FOR THAT. BUT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING AND TRAIL WISE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A TRAIL THROUGH THERE AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

YEAH, THAT THAT WAS BEYOND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING. RIGHT. YEAH, I GUESS WE, I GUESS WE WE'RE GETTING WIRES CROSSED THERE, DAVID, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

YEAH. WELL SO THERE ARE SO YOU'VE GOT THE CIRCLE AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS, RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT THE SMALL PARCEL. IT'S BISECTED BY A DRIVEWAY. YEAH. IT'S LIKE TWO ACRES PARCEL, THE TWO OF WHICH PROVIDES ABOUT 2.2 ACRES. YEAH. THE NOW NOW, I'M NOT SURE THE LARGER PARCEL OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS TRAILS. THAT WAS MORE PARK. CORRECT. RIGHT. WE CHANGED IT TO P1 B'S TO MAKE IT A PARK SO WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THINGS TO IT. RIGHT. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LARGER PARCEL OR THE SMALLER ONE THAT'S BASICALLY BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE AND THE STREET LEADING TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE? NOT ME. BUT I THINK IF THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE PARKING SPACE BACK THERE, AND IN FRONT OF THAT, THERE'S A TREE THERE AND YOU'VE GOT A BENCH THERE, THAT'S THE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. YEAH. YEAH. YES.

THAT THAT AREA GETTING IN THERE AND DOING SOME MORE WORK IN THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY. NOT NOT REALLY THE REST OF THE PARKING AREA WHICH CROSSES THAT. THERE'S KIND OF A DRIVEWAY THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S THE ON THE ACTUALLY ON THE CORNER. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THAT WHEN, WHEN WE PLANNED THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AGAIN AT, AT THE PLAN THAT YOU ALL HAD PUT FORWARD IN THE, THE DRAFT WHEN WE WENT TO CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. SO THE, THE SIDES OF IT, WE'RE NOT OVERLAPPING. WELL MAYBE NOT REALLY. OVERLAPPING DESIGNS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER.

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THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN STUFF OUT. WELL, YEAH. YOU KNOW, DAVID, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MAYBE A MORE COORDINATED COMMUNICATION EFFORT TO STREAMLINE WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS ARE BEING DONE BY, I THINK, BEAUTIFUL AND BEAUTIFUL. AND THEN THE PARKS AND RECREATION. AND PERHAPS YOU CAN TABLE THAT, WHICH IS WHY I NOW ATTEND THE MEETINGS. OH GREAT. OKAY. YEAH I KNEW YEAH. SO YEAH BECAUSE I AM PLAYING CATCH UP OKAY. GREAT. FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NEW THIS BEAUTIFUL AND HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2015 OR 2015 AT LEAST WE WERE ESTABLISHED BY PROCLAMATION FROM MAYOR, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS ALL OVER THE CITY PARKS. AND THIS GROUP IS WHAT, FIVE YEARS OLD? YEAH, JUST JUST BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. A LONG OH, OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT. NO, THIS WAS A NEWSROOM. OKAY. I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT NONETHELESS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION IN THE PAST. IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THERE'S REALLY NO MONEY FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. THAT WAS THE THING THAT CAME UP AN AWFUL LOT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE MONEY, WE DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEES, WE DON'T HAVE THIS. AND MR. BEAUTIFUL SAID, WELL, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING OUT INTO SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE. AND SO, HEY, I'M PRESIDENT, I'M HERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. STEVE WAS GOING TO BE ALL THE EYES IN BETWEEN. YEAH, YEAH. AND IT'S 503. IS THAT RIGHT? WE ARE NOT A5113A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. WE ARE A NONPROFIT. OKAY. STRAIGHT.

STRICTLY VOLUNTEER. OKAY OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO. NUMBER

[3. Trail Markers and Designated Parking at Turnback Canyon Trail]

SO I DO THE WHOLE HOUR SPLIT. IT'S FUN. IT'S GREAT. AND I NOTICED LIKE IS THERE A LIKE WHEN I WAS WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE REALLY PUSHED FOR SIGNAGE FROM TEXDOT TO ACCENT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFICE. THAT'S 1431 CONTROLLED. OBVIOUSLY BAQUET IS NOT 1431 CONTROLLED. THAT WOULD BE CITY, I'M ASSUMING IS LIKE THE SIGN. IT'S DID THE PO DO THAT SIGN? THAT DIRECTS THE TURN BACK. SORRY. THE NEXT POINT, THE TRAIL MARKER SIGN AT THE END OF FOOTHILL. IT'S IT'S ON BAQUET AND FOOTHILL COVE, JUST LIKE, CAN WE CAN WE GET BETTER SIGNAGE IS YEAH. WHAT WHAT COULD WE DO TO GET BETTER SIGNAGE? SO THE ISSUE ON SIGNAGE IS EDAC IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH SIGN STANDARDS. WE DON'T HAVE A. SO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY THE SPORTS COMPLEX RIGHT THERE ASSIGNED SOMEBODY HIT THAT MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS JUST CARTED OFF. AND THERE'S NO SIGN OUT THERE. THE SIGN THAT LITERALLY IS AT THE TRAILHEAD, FOOTHILL IS, YOU KNOW. 4X4 UPRIGHTS AND A SHEET OF PLYWOOD TO WHICH WE'VE AFFIXED A BANNER, SUNSET PARK. OBVIOUSLY, THE NEW ENTRY, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE. AND THE OLD ENTRY AT SOME POINT WILL BE CLOSED OFF AND MADE INACCESSIBLE. AND THE LITTLE SIGN THAT THAT'S THERE REALLY DOESN'T SERVE ITS PURPOSE. SO WE'LL REMOVE IT AND PUT IT ACTUALLY INSIDE THE PARK. SO WHERE THE MILL'S CONSTRUCTION SIGN IS CURRENTLY, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL PUT, AGAIN, TEMPORARY BANNERS INDICATING SUNSET PARK. SO UNTIL THE CITY HAS FORMALIZED SOME SIGN STANDARDS, I DON'T WANT TO PLUNK IN A BUNCH OF MISCELLANEOUS SIGNS THAT JUST AREN'T CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE, ETC. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE DESTINATION SIGNS, THERE WILL BE WAYFINDING SIGNS, ETC. AND ALL OF THOSE SHOULD HAVE A VERY CONSISTENT APPEARANCE. AND THEY DON'T CURRENTLY. BUT TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS CAN GET TO TURN BACK TRAIL ONE, IT IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AT THE END OF THE STREET, BUT ALSO THERE AT BERKELEY AND FOOTHILL. THERE ARE SIGNS SAYING GO THAT WAY FOR THE TRAIL, RIGHT? RIGHT ON SIGNS. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHY THOSE THINGS EXIST CURRENTLY BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING

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SMIRK, SLAP ANYTHING TOGETHER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING UP TO BE UP FOR DECADES. OH NO, I REALLY WANT SOMETHING QUALITY. AND SO THE APPEARANCE, THE DESIGN, ETC. THAT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY CHALLENGING. AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT IT TAKES A WHILE TO DEVELOP STANDARDS LIKE THAT. OKAY, I'M JUST NOT. EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION. YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT'S THAT'S THE THING. AND ALSO SAY THAT EDC AND THE CITY HAS BEEN UNDER DISCUSSION OF FORMING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND EDC, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. EDC IS JUST AN ADVISORY. SO EDC HAS ON ITS PLATE KIND OF GETTING READY TO CEDE THE EDC AND SIGN STANDARDS PROBABLY IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON THE AGENDA. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE FOR THE DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET IT DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BUT AS TO WHY IT'S AN INCENTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, TOURISM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT THE PUSH WOULD ULTIMATELY GO TO THE CITY'S GENERAL APPEARANCES BACK. EXACTLY. OKAY.

I THINK WE KILLED THAT ONE. HOW ABOUT WE DIDN'T DO PARKING? WE'RE WE'RE WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO PARK RIGHT NOW? JUST ON THE STREET. SO CURRENTLY. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE THAT I'M NOT SURE WE OVERCOME. THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU MAY RECALL ONE CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WHERE WE SAID THE CITY OWNS A PROPERTY RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER. IT'S A WE ALL GOT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT WITH AN ENORMOUS DRAIN PIPE STICKING OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF IT. SO NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO LITERALLY THE NEAREST PARKING THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY IS WHAT WE DID THE MORNING OF THE DEDICATION. AND THAT IS AT THE THE POOL. THERE REALLY ISN'T ADEQUATE SPACE ON BARQUET FOR FOLKS TO PARK THERE, AND THAT'S ABOUT 4/10 OF A MILE UP, ACTUALLY ABOUT A QUARTER MILE UP TO THE TRAILHEAD AT FOOTHILL.

ALONG FOOTHILL, IT IS TOO NARROW TO PARK ANYBODY ALONG THE ROADSIDE. YOU COULDN'T GET A CAR PAST IF SOMEBODY WERE PARKED THERE. SO RIGHT NOW YOU LITERALLY CAN ACCOMMODATE 3 OR 4 VEHICLES, DEPENDING UPON THEIR SIZE. DOWN AT THE CUL DE SAC ITSELF WHERE THE TRAILHEAD IS. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE OVERCOME THAT PROBLEM, EXCEPT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARK AT THE POOL. IF THEY DID, IF THEY WALKED THE FULL LENGTH OF THE TRAIL AND COME BACK, THEY'RE GOING TO BE JUST UNDER FIVE MILES. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE OUT FOR A WALK. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. WE'RE GOING FOR A WALK. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S GOT COMPLAINTS TOO LONG. THAT'S RIGHT. FIVE MILES. I THOUGHT THE TRAIL WAS .75. YEAH. SO. SO WHAT I CALCULATED WAS THE DISTANCE FROM THE PARK TO THE TRAILHEAD IS, IS ABOUT 4/10 OF A MILE. OKAY, SO YOU DO THAT UP AND BACK. YOU'RE 8/10 OF A MILE. YOU'RE 8/10 OF A MILE EACH DIRECTION. SO BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE I'M SORRY. IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES OKAY I WAS YEAH. SORRY. YEAH.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF A MILE IN EACH DIRECTION. YEAH OKAY. THAT'S FOUR TIMES.

[4. Turnback Canyon Trail Phase 2 Update]

[01:05:07]

THE OTHER PART IS, WHEREVER THAT ALIGNMENT GOES, THE FIRST NEXT BIG STEP WILL BE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR PHASE ONE. AND THAT WILL JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO COMPLETE AND GET A FINAL REPORT, AND THEN THEY WILL TELL US WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD HAVE TO SHIFT THAT ALIGNMENT IN ANY WAY BASED UPON ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY FIND, WHICH I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE, THEY DID PHASE ONE AND WE JUST WORKED AROUND IT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO KIND OF PIECES. THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY IS AN EASY ONE. WE JUST HIRE SOMEBODY AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE EFFLUENCE DISPERSAL AND HOW PUBLIC WORKS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO WORK THAT OUT. SO IS THERE ANY GRANTS ON PHASE TWO? YEAH. SO PHASE TWO IS COVERED BY GRIT. WE HAVE FUNDING FOR PHASE TWO. WE JUST DON'T HAVE FOREVER. RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY. YEAH WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS LEFT SO WE'RE TOTALLY FINE. YEAH. TOTALLY FINE ON THAT. PAUL, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. IS THE OLD HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE PART OF THE EFFLUENT DISPERSAL FOR THE CITY? SO THE ANSWER IS YES, IT COULD BE. SO WE WE CONTRACTUALLY HAVE RIGHTS ON THE PROPERTY TO DISPERSE EFFLUENT. BUT THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO MAINTAIN ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT YOU CERTAINLY COULDN'T COUNT ON IT TO WORK WITHOUT SOME INVESTMENT.

WE DO HAVE T-C-E-Q. I'M A LITTLE FUZZY ON ACTUALLY THE STAT AND I WENT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT SENTENCE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE TC APPROVAL FOR THAT OR NOT, WHETHER IT WAS IN OUR EARLIER RIGHTS, BUT IT IS. IT IS GOOD PROPERTY TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON. AND SO IN TERMS OF THE LONG TERM PLAN AND OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US, IT WOULD BE ON THE TABLE. NOW, ONE THING I'LL SAY IS THAT THE CURRENT PERMIT THAT WE HAVE FROM TCDC ALLOWS US TO DISPERSE A CERTAIN DENSITY OF EFFLUENT ON CEDAR BREAKS AND A CERTAIN DENSITY OF EFFLUENT ON THE GOLF COURSE.

AND THE DENSITY AT CEDAR BREAKS IS MASSIVE. IT'S LIKE FOUR TIMES AS MUCH WATER PER ACRE AS WE CAN PUT AT THE GOLF COURSE. AND SO WITH RESPECT TO EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION, THAT CEDAR BREAKS LAND IS OUR BEST PLACE TO GET RID OF A LOT OF EFFLUENT. IT'S THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS PER DAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY USES ROUGHLY WHAT, 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. YES.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE ORDER OF, YOU KNOW, 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER USAGE AND PROBABLY TYPICALLY MORE LIKE THREE, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF EFFLUENT THAT WE NEED TO DISPERSE. I THINK THE PEAK IS I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN A

[01:10:03]

NO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE THAT GOES. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH I THINK IS THAT CONSIDERED A PARK? THE GOLF COURSE. THE OLD GOLF COURSE. YEAH. THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. NOT NOT NOT ONLY WOULD IT WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED ONE. SORRY.

YEAH. IT'S ZONED AS GOLF COURSE AND IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED. RIGHT. THE CITY. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE, WE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT WE NEED 90 MORE ACRES FOR EFFLUENT. IS THAT AT CEDAR BREAKS AND THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE CITY NEEDS TO ACQUIRE THE 90 MORE ACRES. THEY HAVE TO DISPERSE OVER 90 ACRES.

HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS SO THEY OWN THE 90 ACRES. THEY JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO AND CONSIDER WHAT IMPACTS THAT RESULTS IN WHAT AREAS. YEAH. OKAY. SO LET'S JUMP INTO NUMBER

[5. Former 9-Hole Golf Course As Prospective Future Parkland Acquisition]

YOU KNOW COULD WE ACQUIRE IT FOR A PARTNER THROUGH THE TREE FUND. I MEAN I WAS KIND OF THINKING THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I MEAN, I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT 66 ACRES. I KNOW YOU NEED 90 ACRES. I MEAN, THAT WOULD MOVE THE NEEDLE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NEAR THE LINE AT THE MOMENT. YES. SO LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, SO THAT THE 90 ACRE DISCUSSION IS A NEAR TERM. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPGRADING OUR WASTEWATER. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO GET ENOUGH ACREAGE TO COVER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHICH IS A PERMIT TO GO TO 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL ACREAGE TO GET TO 1.5 MILLION GALLONS, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED FOR THE WITH THE PLAN. HOPEFULLY I'M HOLDING THE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE. AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO GET WELL BEYOND 1.5 MILLION. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE MORE. RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES. WELL, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES, BUT THERE ARE A FEW POSSIBILITIES. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY ACTIVELY DISPERSING ON HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. THIS NINE HOLE COURSE IS IS CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR DOING SOME DISPERSEMENT DISPERSING ON PO PROPERTIES, WHICH I KNOW THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TALKED WITH SOME PO FOLKS ABOUT. BUT BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, BAKED PLANS. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS AND THEN ASK YOU A QUESTION. ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES, YOU HAVE TO SAY, WHAT'S THE COST OF GETTING THE EFFLUENT TO THAT PROPERTY. AND THERE'S ALREADY PIPING TO GET EFFLUENT TO HIGHLAND LAKES. THAT NINE HOLE WOULD REQUIRE PRETTY LARGE INVESTMENT ON THE CITY TO LAY PIPES THAT DON'T EXIST, TO GET THE EFFLUENT TO THAT PART OF THE CITY. WHO OWNS THAT? YEAH, IT'S PRIVATE LAND. I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER. DID THEY CHANGE IT? BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IT COULD BE AN RV PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY CHANGED THE ZONING ON IT, BUT THE WAY IT'S ZONED, IT'S IT'S I THINK IT'S GOLF COURSE ZONED. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I BETTER I, I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT HERE. SO I'M GOING TO STOP MYSELF. BUT BUT WHATEVER THE ZONING IS, THE CURRENT OWNERS HAD IN THAT ZONING, THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD BUILD 20 HOUSES ON LARGE LOTS, AND THEY PURSUED THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

AND THAT PROBABLY WAS WAS POSSIBLE UNDER THE ZONING. BUT I THINK I DON'T THINK ANYTHING

[01:15:08]

I MEAN, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY IN THE TREE FUND. THE TREE FUND HAS UNDER $1 MILLION. AND YOU KNOW, MARK OVER HERE IS ASKING ABOUT BUYING PROPERTY THAT WHEN WE SOLD IT WAS ALMOST $1 MILLION. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING PROPERTY, WHICH IS PROBABLY ALSO GOING TO BE ABOUT $1 MILLION. MY GUESS I DIDN'T THINK YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THAT MUCH WAY, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK WHEN. AND IN ORDER TO RUN EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION. NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING TYPE ONE. I'M JUST SAYING AT THE MOMENT WE CAN PUT IT IN AS A PARK.

YEAH. AND DEVELOP IT AS A PARK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FUTURE USE YOU GET IT TO TYPE ONE. NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PARK TO IRRIGATE. HERE'S MY SUGGESTION BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE THE LIAISON, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS. YEAH. WE'RE GIVING YOU A GUERRILLA.

YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE A PLAN AND GET MY FEEDBACK ON IT, WHICH I THINK IS YOUR LIAISON ROLE. MY SUGGESTION IS START TALKING ABOUT NUMBER SIX, YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME OF THESE IDEAS POTENTIALLY ENCOMPASSED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET THAT IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. AND AND MAYBE IT BECOMES MAYBE THERE'S A LONG RANGE PLAN TO DO SOME SERIOUS FUNDING AROUND SOME OF THESE THINGS. AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THESE KIND OF IDEAS. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL

[6. Parks Master Plan Subcommittee]

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY, DON'T GO OFF AND HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS AND COME UP WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF IDEAS WITHOUT BRINGING IT BACK INTO THIS KIND OF PUBLIC FORUM, FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS FOR UPDATES AND DISCUSSIONS. OH, YEAH. I MEAN, BUT IF YOU END UP IF IT ENDS UP BEING MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE DYING TO BE ON SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK THAT'S NOT VIOLATING EXPLICITLY VIOLATING ANY RULE THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE FOR THIS BOARD. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, IF I MAY, I DID SERVE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND OUR TASK WAS TO PRESENT THE PRESENTATION OR ACTUALLY CREATE THE PRESENTATION THAT WE TOOK TO COUNCIL. AND WE DID EVERY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EVERY MEETING. WE UPDATED THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE AS TO

[01:20:03]

I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF PARTS THAT ARE PLANNING AND ZONING SPECIFIC. AND SO THAT'S REALLY NOT ENTIRELY GERMANE TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO BUT WHAT YOU DO HAVE IS REALLY KIND OF ESSENTIAL STUFF THAT'S RELATED TO PARKS. SO THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS, IS TO GO THROUGH THAT SO THAT YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED, AND THEN. WE CAN SORT OF TALK THROUGH, AS I SAID, THE CHEAT SHEET THAT I SORT OF PROVIDED THERE. AND THE FIRST THING THAT THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE WORD COMMUNITY, RESIDENT OR SOME RELATED IS INCLUDED IN EACH ONE OF THESE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE. BECAUSE THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT ANYBODY WHO IS SERVING ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR BIAS AT THE DOOR, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY'S DOCUMENT. THIS IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT REALLY OUGHT TO GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE DECISION MAKING, ETCETERA. RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO PARKS, TRAILS, OPEN SPACE, AND EVEN ULTIMATELY, RECREATION. WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT IN THE WAY OF PROGRAMING, THE ASSUMPTION IS AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS, THE NEEDS CHANGE. THE MASTER PLAN IS TO ADDRESS THOSE CHANGING NEEDS. AND SO AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST SORT OF LOOK AT THE CHEAT SHEET SO THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION HERE IS THAT EACH OF YOU WHO IS CONSIDERING SERVING IN THE CAPACITY OF, OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE UNDERTAKING AND TO UNDERSTAND I IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. I EARLIER MADE THE CUT THAT I'M 100% HERE FOR THE LEAD, WHICH IS TRUE. BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO THIS CONTEXT, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE LEAGUE IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF ALL OF THE BROADER COMMUNITY, AND IT'S THE NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND ITS TOTALITY THAT ARE CONSIDERED AS AS YOU DEVELOP THE MASTER PLAN. THE OTHER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST NOTE THE BOOK THAT I HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF ME. THIS WILL INVOLVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH, AND IT WILL INVOLVE SOME DIGGING INTO A UNDERSTANDING WHAT A MASTER PLAN IS, LOOKING AT EXAMPLES OF REALLY EFFECTIVE MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY A VARIETY OF CONSULTANTS, SO THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE DO BRING BACK IS A DOCUMENT THAT REALLY IS USEFUL IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S VISION IS FOR WHAT PARKS AND RECREATION OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE, AND TRAILS WHAT THOSE THINGS OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A A DOCUMENT THAT IS REASSESSED EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE IT NEEDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DYNAMICS, ALL OF THAT CHANGES OVER TIME. AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, POPULATIONS GROW, THEY EXPAND, THEY CONTRACT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE FACTORS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, AND THIS BODY WILL BE PART OF OF A REVIEW OF THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL AS ITS INITIAL DRAFTING. BUT SO AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU, TO LOOK AT THE CHEAT SHEET TO UNDERSTAND THE POINT AND THE PURPOSE OF A MASTER PLAN AND AND THE WORK THAT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE FOR US TO DRAFT SOMETHING. NOW, WE MAY FIND IN READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT THAT EXISTS THAT NOT MUCH CHANGE IS NECESSARY. THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND DATA THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT. THERE'S SOME DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION THAT'S THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT. AND I HAVE SOME OF THAT RAW DATA THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE

[01:25:03]

SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF WHAT THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WORKING ALONGSIDE THE USING THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT IS PROVIDED TO US TO DEVELOP A PLAN THAT WE THINK IS USEFUL BECAUSE IT'S POINTLESS IF IT ISN'T THAT BUT THAT SOMETHING THAT IS CLEAR IN TERMS OF ITS GUIDANCE THERE THERE'S A VISION THAT'S SET FORTH. THERE ARE GOALS, AND THERE ARE YEAR TO YEAR ACTION POINTS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING SO THAT WE CAN MEASURE PROGRESS AS WE GO ALONG, AND WE CAN CONTINUOUSLY EVALUATE WHERE WE ARE IN OUR TEN YEAR PLAN. SO AGAIN, IT'S THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU TONIGHT IS SORT OF HOMEWORK. IT'S TO GO BACK TO REVIEW THE STUFF AND TO COME BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A COMMITMENT THAT YOU CAN AND ARE WILLING TO MAKE, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AMONGST YOURSELVES VIA VOTE, WHETHER IT'S TWO FOLKS, THREE FOLKS, OR WHAT HAVE YOU WHO SERVE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE WE BEAR DOWN AND SPEND THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY MONTHS WORKING TOWARDS BRINGING BACK A FINISHED PRODUCT THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A QUESTION. I WAS JUST KIND OF SKIMMING THROUGH THE PACKET.

THERE WAS A VISIONING PROCESS ALREADY CONDUCTED, SO THE CITY PAID A CONSULTANT TO DRAFT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS 166 PAGES TOTAL, AND IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT IS WHAT IS REFERENCED AS THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. SOMETIMES THEY'RE INCLUDED, SOMETIMES THEY'RE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS. IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WAS BUILT IN TO WHAT'S THERE. SO YES, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU ARE ALL OF THE GERMANE ELEMENTS OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM WHICH WE WOULD DEVISE A PARKS MASTER PLAN. GOT IT. SO WAS THERE ALSO BILINGUAL CONTENT THAT INCLUDED THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY? DID IT BE PART OF THIS PROCESS? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ENGAGEMENT THERE WAS WITH THE NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY. I CAN LOOK BACK AT THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE RECEIVED, TAKE A LOOK AT. I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANYTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME.

THIS DOCUMENT. SO. BASICALLY WE'VE GOT TO READ WE'VE GOT TO READ THIS. DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ON. WE'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OFFLINE DISCUSSION. AND THEN YOU KNOW I GUESS JANUARY WILL VOTE ON WHO WILL MAKE UP A SUBCOMMITTEE. I MEAN, DOES THAT SOUND FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A DISCUSSION BOARD, RIGHT? THAT YOU CAN DO ONE ANOTHER.

THE CITY'S CITIES, THEY CALL IT MESSAGE BOARD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO I MEAN, AGAIN, SO WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS LITERALLY JUST INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN USE AS A STARTING POINT FOR THAT DISCUSSION. IT IT SHOULD FACILITATE SOME QUESTIONS. AND YOU GUYS CAN WRESTLE WITH SOME OF THAT VIA THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND THEN HOPEFULLY IN A MONTH'S TIME YOU'LL COME BACK AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE LIKE, THIS SOUNDS A BIT OVERWHELMING TO ME. I'D LIKE INPUT, WHICH THE CLERK WILL OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE, RIGHT? VERSUS BEING IN THE TRENCHES FOR THE NEXT THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX MONTHS. YOU KNOW, DOING THE RESEARCH, READING ALL OF THE MATERIAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE BRING BACK ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO PRACTICE, ULTIMATELY WHAT'S DEVELOPED THAT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO BEING IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT THAT WILL ENTAIL. I HAVE A QUESTION, PAUL, YOU HAD MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF LAID OUT THE LAY OF THE LAND OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ITSELF. YOU SAID THAT OTHER COMMITTEES CAN BE PART OF IT, OR THEY CAN SORT OF LIKE ATTEND THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. NO,

[01:30:07]

THAT ALLOWS THOSE BOARDS IF THEY WANTED TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DIDN'T FINISH TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. LET'S FIVE OF US GO UP TO THE BREWERY AND AND TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE AND TRY TO FLESH IT OUT SOME MORE, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN FOR THE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WHEREAS UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A QUORUM AND WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED. RIGHT. SO SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS BOARD HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU DO DISCUSSIONS THAT AREN'T IN THIS FORMAL SETTING, MORE THAN A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BILLING AND STANDARDS AS TO. YEAH, PROBABLY. AND I YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE WE JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN AND AND YOU COULD DO IT. AND I JUST DAVID WAS MENTIONING THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND SO IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S HOME PAGE, ONE OF THE LITTLE ICON LINKS IS THE IT SAYS IT'S CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION BOARD. IF YOU CLICK THAT LINK, THERE'S NOW ACTUALLY A PLACE WHERE EVERY SINGLE BOARD CAN POST DISCUSSIONS AND AND HAVE ONLINE DISCUSSIONS THERE. I KNOW THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS BEEN USING THEIR PAGE. I JUST LOOKED AT THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. NOBODY'S EVER POSTED A THREAD ONTO IT, SO THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ONE TO START PUTTING. THERE IS DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE MASTER PLAN AND THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND READ. THAT'S ONLY THIS COMMITTEE WHO CAN WHO CAN POST CONTENT ON YOUR YOUR PAGE. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE BE GOOD FOR YOU TO START DOING IT. IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, ASK THE CITY STAFF IS ONLY BECAUSE I WANT TO TAKE THIS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THIS PACE. DO YOU THINK, DAVID, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SET ANY EXPECTATIONS AROUND A TIMELINE, PRELIMINARY TIMELINE FOR A PARKS MASTER PLAN? I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT TAKES THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS OR IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY? MY GUT IS. IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO SAY ONLY IN THAT THIS BODY, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE ANYBODY HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW WHAT EXISTS. AND THEN TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES OF GOOD MASTER PLANS TO SORT OF FLESH OUT WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR, AND THEN HOW MUCH WORK IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO GET US THERE. SO SO THAT'S WHY I SAY, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THE TRENCHES FOR THE NEXT THREE, FOUR OR 5 OR 6 MONTHS IS. YEAH, NO IDEA. IT'S I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT OF A LEARNING PROCESS FOR FOLKS TO WORK THROUGH IF THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT. THANK YOU. IF I MAY. I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, BUT WE DID A PARKS AND REC PRESENTATION THAT IN JUNE, JULY, JUNE OR JULY. YEAH. YES, YES, JUNE. AND WE WE DID WE, WE YOU KNOW, WE DID GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE HALF PRESENTATION. WE WEREN'T ALL THAT IMPRESSED QUITE FRANKLY. BUT IT YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD LAUNCHING POINT. IT SHOWED WHAT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC'S DESIRES ARE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF THE DESIRE. YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF GREEN SPACE, PARKS, TRAILS, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

AND THEN WHEN THE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, AN INCREASE IN TAXES? IT WAS ABOUT A 5050 SPLIT. PAUL SAW THAT AS HALF AS THE GLASS, HALF FULL.

I'M A CONTRARIAN. I SAW IT AS THE GLASS HALF EMPTY, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I WANT THIS, I WANT THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, BUT ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF A STUMBLING BLOCK. BUT IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. THIS WHOLE THIS THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT DIDN'T REALLY LAY OUT A WORK PLAN, YOU KNOW. SO IT, IT SAID HERE'S,

[01:35:01]

I'M GOING TO ADJOURN IT AT WHATEVER TIME IT IS. 8:11.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.