Jan 08, 2026 Planning and Zoning

[II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

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COME UP FOR A MOMENT. JUST BECAUSE I'VE DEDICATED SEVERAL YEARS OF MY LIFE TO TURN THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE DETAILS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS AND THIS AND THAT AND ALL THE DETAILS IN IT. AND I WENT THROUGH WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB TODAY, WHETHER PROPOSING A PRELIMINARY PLAT. AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND AGREED TO IS BEING MET ON THAT PLAN. SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. ALSO, AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE POA, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DOCTOR TO SEE IF THAT IS WHAT WE ALSO AGREED TO IN CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, HOW TO PLAN OUT.

OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND PAUL ROBERTS, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. JUST BRIEFLY. THANK YOU. WELCOME NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMMISSION. GLAD TO SEE YOU GUYS VOLUNTEERING AND DIVING IN. IT'S GREAT. THERE'S JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO YOUR JOB WHEN IT COMES TO CONSIDERING ADJACENT LAND USE AND WHAT GOES IN TO CHAPTER 14, SECTION 13. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONSIDERING ZONING APPLICATIONS, WHETHER THEY ARE DIVERGENT FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OR NOT, ALL OF THAT IS ONE ASPECT OF YOUR JOB WHEN CONSIDERING THIS APPLICATIONS, BUT SOMETHING WE WORKED ON THAT I DROVE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS BEFORE I FINISHED MY SECOND TERM ON COUNCIL, WAS A GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY. WE HAD AN INTERIM GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY, BUT IT'S A POLICY. IT WASN'T BINDING. BUT IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, WE DID CODIFY THAT INTO A FINAL ORDINANCE, WHICH BECAME CHAPTER 15 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING UP CODES AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK ON EVERY ONE OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS, YOU'RE GOING INTO MEETING CODE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCES AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLIANT. THE BOXES ARE CHECKED, BUT WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IN THERE TODAY IS CHAPTER 15. THAT WAS THE FIRST ITEM I HANDED TO YOU GUYS, THE HARD COPY. YOU CAN FIND IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE UNDER ORDINANCES AND IT HAS THEM LISTED BY YEAR. ONCE THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE ORDINANCE AND IT GETS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR, IT IS THEN PUT ONTO THE WEBSITE. THEY DON'T GET TO THE MUNICODE. THERE'S A THERE'S A LOGISTIC, A LOT OF COST INVOLVED IN THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING ON THAT. AND SO ANYWAY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE COORDINATION ORDINANCE, PLEASE READ IT. IT'S VERY GOOD. AND IT IS A PREREQUISITE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TEN LOTS OR MORE OR TEN ACRES OR MORE THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR NON AGENDA. OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL GO WITH A

[III.1. Routine Reports from City staff.]

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[III.2. Routine Reports from City Council Liaison.]

BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT. OPEN MEETING TRAINING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL THAT MEANS IS YOU ALL NEED TO ONLY MAKE DECISIONS OR DISCUSS PLANNING AND ZONING TOPICS WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN PUBLIC. SO NO PRIVATE DISCUSSION. SO THERE CANNOT BE ANY PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS THAT ADD UP TO A QUORUM, RIGHT? SO IF SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, ENRIQUE TALKED TO JEAN ABOUT SOMETHING, THAT'S OKAY. BUT THE THING YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT ABOUT IS MAYBE JEAN TALKED TO LINDA, AND LINDA TALKED TO JEFF, AND THEN ENRIQUE TALKS. SO IF YOU ADD THAT ALL UP, THAT BECOMES A QUORUM, WHAT'S CALLED A WALKING QUORUM. SO JUST BE CAREFUL TO TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES. COME ON IN DAVE. SO DAVE STEWART IS NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR BOARD. AND HE HE HAD ADVISED LINDA AND MYSELF THAT HE HAD A LONG STANDING CONFLICT. HE'D BE LATE TONIGHT. SO WE WERE EXPECTING HIM RUSHING IN AS SOON AS HE COULD. SO WELCOME DAVE. DID ERIC OR ANY DID YOU GET SWORN IN FOR THIS OR DID. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ERIC WAS LEAVING WHEN HE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK LINDA FOR TONIGHT BECAUSE DAVE IS THE ONE THAT DID NOT GET SWORN IN. I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING THAT THAT REQUIRES VOTING TONIGHT, BECAUSE ERIC DE LA CRUZ WAS SWEARING PEOPLE IN AS THEY ARRIVED, AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO STAY A FEW MINUTES LATER. I'M SORRY, HAVE YOU SPOKEN OUT IN THE PAST YEAR FOR ANY BOARD OR COMMISSION? YEAH. ME TOO. PLEASE FILL TWO OUT IN THE LAST YEAR OF A OATH O OATH, I FILLED OUT THE APPLICATIONS. YEAH. JUST APPLICATION. NEVER MIND. YEAH, I DON'T THINK APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO. RIGHT. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, DAVE. WE HAD ERIC DE LA CRUZ DOING THE LAST MINUTE SWEARING IN, BUT HE LEFT JUST BEFORE YOU WALKED IN. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. AND FOR THOSE THAT THAT THE THREE. YEAH. SO JEFF IS RETURNING. WE HAD ONE RESIGN HIS SEAT A FEW MONTHS BACK. SO THERE'S FOUR BRAND NEW PEOPLE. AND I JUST WANT TO WANT TO THANK THE THOSE THAT SERVED FOR SO LONG AND THANK THOSE THAT ARE RETURNING AND THANK THOSE THAT ARE STARTING NOW. IT'S AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT JOB. AND YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THOSE THAT I INTERVIEWED AND BROUGHT ON BOARD LOOK PRETTY STRONG. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO A GOOD A GOOD COMMISSION. PAUL, WOULD YOU ALSO JUST ADDRESS THE USE OF THE DISCUSSION BOARD, ITS AVAILABILITY? YES. THANK YOU,

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AND IF YOU GO TO THE HOME PAGE OF THE THE CITY WEBSITE, THERE'S A RADIO BUTTON FOR FOR IT'S I THINK IT SAYS DISCUSSION BOARD. NOW IT USED TO SAY COUNCIL DISCUSSION BOARD I THINK IT JUST SAYS DISCUSSION BOARD. IF YOU GO IN THERE YOU'LL FIND A LINK TO CLICK INTO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DISCUSSION. YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A CITY EMAIL IN ORDER TO LOG INTO THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND ACTUALLY MAKE COMMENTS. AND SO THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS THERE THAT THAT STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH, BUT THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT. TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DISCUSSION BOARD. LINDA, ARE THERE SOME THINGS ALREADY THERE FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS? IT'S BEEN ACTIVELY USED BY YOU GUYS? NO, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I LOOK AT ALL THE DISCUSSION BOARDS AND THEY ALL I GUESS GENE SAYS YES OKAY, OKAY. GENE, DID YOU WANT DID YOU WANT TO ASK? I WAS JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION BOARDS. OH OKAY. DID I WAS THAT. NO I JUST YEAH I WAS ABOUT TO SAY WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION BOARD. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. SO. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT ISSUE ON OUR AGENDA IS

[IV.1. Election of Officers (Chair and Vice-Chair) for the upcoming year.]

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YES. THANK YOU. IT'S UNANIMOUS. EXCEPT FOR FOR MR. STEWART WHO CANNOT VOTE TONIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR. YEAH. I NOMINATE GENE. GENE. YES. I SECOND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT THE POSITION ANY ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT. OH OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OKAY. AND THAT ALSO IS UNANIMOUS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. STEWART. YES. OKAY. SO NEXT WE GO ON TO

[V. CONSENT AGENDA]

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THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THE EXCEPTION OF MR. STEWART. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR WORKSHOP.

[VI.1. 25-2905-PDD-REZ: Open a Public Hearing for the Consideration and recommendation on the rezoning of 19708 Boggy Ford Road, ABS189 SUR 98 CAMPBELL M F ACR 7.055 (AKA LOT 32 RAN CHOL CIELO) from TR-1 to a Planned Development District Rezoning pursuant to Section 10 Chapter 14 of the City of Lago Vista Code of Ordinances.]

THE FOLLOWING REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR A PDD. THE MAIN INTENT OF THIS IS TO HAVE A HOTEL. THERE ARE SOME CAVEATS THAT GO INTO IT THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY FIT INTO OUR STANDARD C-2 ZONING. AND SO THE INTENT OF THE PDD IS TO GET THE USES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.

THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF A RESTAURANT, SOME OPEN OFFICE, OFFICE, CONFERENCE SPACE AS WELL, AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY COVERED UNDER OUR CODE. SO THE PD ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT.

THERE'S SOME DESIGN STANDARDS IN THERE. FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT.

THEY'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MEET WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WITHIN WHAT WE EXPECT FROM DEVELOPMENT. WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GATHERED, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REVIEWED, THEY DO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING TO BE APPROVED PER OUR ORDINANCES, AND NOW IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. SO AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FROM STAFF SPECIFICALLY? IS THIS LOT IS IT IN THE. IT'S IN THE CITY RIGHT. YES SIR. THEY ANNEXED LAST YEAR I BELIEVE OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE HIGHLAND LAKES BOARD. HIGHLAND LAKES. WELL WE HAD A AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON FOR ETJ WHERE YOU CAN ONLY USE SOME OF THIS LAND FOR 25% FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER IS.

AND I'M SORRY, I JUST DIDN'T GET A GOOD IS THIS ONE OF THE LOTS THAT THEY CAN ONLY DO 25% IMPERVIOUS COVER? YES IT IS. YES. OH, OKAY. OKAY. AND THE STAFF REPORT DOES NOTE THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY, OKAY. I JUST LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AT 6:20 P.M. I'M OPENING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP. AND I DON'T KNOW, MIKE SEIDEL, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YEAH. MY NAME IS MIKE SEIDEL. I'M AT 20106 VICTORIA CHASE. AND THEN RESIDENT SINCE 2003. AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK PLAINLY THERE. THE PROPOSAL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. INCLUDES A HOTEL AND STANDALONE RESTAURANT ON THE SOUTHERN. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY CRAPPY LOCATION. OKAY, CRAPPY IS A TECHNICAL TERM, SO. BUT EXISTING TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA IS ALREADY NOT VERY GOOD.

SO THE ADDITION OF HIGH DENSITY BUSINESSES LIKE A HOTEL AND A RESTAURANT, OKAY, STANDALONE RESTAURANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS INCLUDED IN THAT PROPOSAL. AND THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GAS STATION THERE, AS WELL AS A RESTAURANT.

I WOULD GUESS. ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT GOING ON WHICH WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC DENSITY. ONCE THAT GETS GOING. IF AND WHEN THAT EVER GETS GOING, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE ROAD IS CURVY AND AND IT'S THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME ACCIDENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF LINCOLN BOULEVARD AND FORD OVER THE YEARS. AND AND GET ANY BETTER

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I'D LIKE FOR IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL STRIP. YEAH. ROMAN FORD SEEMS TO BE GOING THAT WAY, OF COURSE. 1431 BUT WHY IN GOD'S NAME SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO PUT A HOTEL THERE? THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS, BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT. ONCE ALL THAT STUFF GETS DONE, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET GOING TO HAVE THIS. APPARENTLY THIS GAS STATION, THERE'S ANOTHER GAS STATION DOWN THE ROAD AT THE CORNER OF WALNUT, RIGHT. SO YOU CAN HAVE A HOTEL AND ANOTHER RESTAURANT THERE. AND IT'S THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. I CAN TELL YOU THAT TRYING TO GET OUT OF LINCOLN BOULEVARD ONTO BOBBY FORD AT TIMES IS SEVERAL MINUTES ALREADY WITHOUT ANY OF THE ADDITION OF ANY OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA. SO. THAT'S MY SPIEL. THAT'S IT. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. AND COMMON SENSE AND RATIONAL JUDGMENT SHOULD PREVAIL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE YOU MONITORING THE TIME? OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, JAY MENDEZ. I'M DAVID MENDEZ AND I'M A 2010 FORD VICTORIA CHASE ALUMNUS, OF COURSE. AND. I TEND TO APPROACH THINGS FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL POINT BEFORE I GO START LOOKING INTO THE SAYING. SO THE FIRST THING I'LL SAY IS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAVE WHAT YOU APPROVED AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED THAT FIREFLY PLAN. AND COUNCIL'S ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WHATEVER PROJECT BRINGS IN THE CITY NEVER MENTIONED ALL THE DUMB DOWN ASPECT. THE NEGATIVE POSSIBILITIES. AND IN MEDICINE IT'S ALWAYS WHAT'S THE COST AND WHAT'S THE BENEFIT AND WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE. SO WHAT I'M. BASICALLY ASKING ANY SORT OF JUST A PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, IS THAT I KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THIS LAND, AND WE ALWAYS HAD THIS PHILOSOPHY THAT THE LAND. BUT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE RELATED TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THIS IS NOT SO I REALIZE THAT THE CODE IS WHAT YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DECIDE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT BY THIS COMPANY BECAUSE ANOTHER AREA WOULD BE MUCH MORE LOGICAL AND YOU CAN CHANGE SOME WITHOUT DIFFICULTY, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOR THIS CLASS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THAT AREA. AND HONESTLY. THAT IT TAKES LONGER TO GO SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CURVE. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO THAT DANGER JUST A PIECE OF INFORMATION. AND I THINK IT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CONNIE MENDEZ. DID YOU ALSO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? I WASN'T SURE, BUT I THINK OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND ALL KIND OF THINGS.

I KNOW IT MUST BE AN INSURMOUNTABLE TASK AND TO DO THAT. BUT FIRST, BEFORE I GIVE YOU MY LITTLE LIST OF THINGS. PUT YOURSELF IN OUR POSITION. WE LIVE UP. I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO MR. ZIDELL. WE'RE AT 1024 VICTORIA CHASE. AND ESSENTIALLY THIS HOTEL, MAYBE ALMOST IN OUR

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IF YOU GO TO THE INTERNET AND LOOK ABOUT LOOK UP, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT HOTELS AND ENCLOSED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, YOU FIND A LIST OF CONCERNS. NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NOISE.

NOISE CAN BE FROM THE DELIVERY TRUCKS GOING TO THE HOTEL THERE, FROM ALARMS GOING OFF FROM LOUD GAS TO GET DRUNK AND HAVE PARTIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, IN LAGO VISTA WE HAVE THESE HILLS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE CAN HEAR AND I'M NOT BOTHERED BY IT, BUT WE CAN HEAR THE BAND PRACTICING, WE CAN HEAR THE FOOTBALL GAME, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S FINE. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT WE DIDN'T USE TO HAVE BECAUSE WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE TEN YEARS AGO. AND SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THE NOISE TO TRAFFIC HAS BEEN MENTIONED. AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO REITERATE THAT MUCH OTHER THAN TRAFFIC IS ALREADY CONGESTED. THERE IS A TWO LANE STREET. IT REALLY IS MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN COMMERCIAL. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, I THINK. FOR RIGHT NOW, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS INADEQUATE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN TELL ME. I CAN TELL FROM THE PLANT THERE, HOW WOULD THE EGRESS BE? HOW WOULD THESE PEOPLE ANGRY AND HOW WOULD THEY GET IN AND OUT OF THAT? JUST SAID, CAN ANYBODY ANSWER THAT? WELL, IT'S ONE DRIVEWAY. ONE DRIVEWAY. YEAH. I BELIEVE THE ANSWER. SO THAT'S SO ONE DRIVEWAY TO GET IN THERE. AND HOW MANY ROOMS DO YOU LISTEN? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE IT MENTIONED IT. IT DIDN'T TALK ABOUT I READ THROUGH IT. YEAH. IT MENTIONED. YES I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL, YOU KNOW, PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. HOW MANY ROOMS WOULD BE HERE. SO OKAY NOISE, TRAFFIC. THE THIRD THING IS MENTIONED ON THE INTERNET AND THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT THE SEARCH. UNPREDICTABLE NEIGHBORS. MISS MENDEZ, I'M SORRY, BUT YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE APPLICANT WHO CAN POSSIBLY ANSWER. THE LAST THING IS MY PROPERTY VALUE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IF WE DECIDE THAT WE EVER WANTED OR NEEDED TO SELL OUR HOME, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO? ODDS ARE, IS IT GOING TO DECREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUE JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LIVE AROUND THEM? THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING ME. I DON'T DO THIS. WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE APPLICANT. MR. PARNELL, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OR ADDRESS THE THE ROAD IN AND OUT OR THE NUMBER OF ROOMS OR ANY OF THAT APPROACH? PLEASE DO. YES. HI. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M BILL PARNELL, ENGINEERING DIRECTOR FOR THIS PROJECT. I BELIEVE ARUN IS JOINED US VIA THE LOGIN TO. HE COULD PROBABLY TALK AS WELL. WE ARE CURRENTLY I THINK A TIA HAS BEEN SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHICH THE ENGINEER FOR THAT IS A DIFFERENT ENGINEER, BUT HE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND THE COUNTY AND YOUR STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE OR WHAT FISCAL SURETY NEEDS TO BE POSTED FOR OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO OFFSET THE TRAFFIC INCREASE. THE HEIGHT, I THINK IS 65. SO WE'RE GOING FOR AND 90 ROOMS 90 OKAY. AND WE HAVE THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER CITIZEN WHO WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS. MR. OH MR. DID YOU KNOW MR. ROBERTS WANTED TO? RACHEL, ARE YOU INDICATING YOU WANTED TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? CAN I ASK? WE NEED MORE MINUTES FOR THAT I DO I NEED TWO MINUTES OKAY. SOME OBSERVATIONS. OKAY. YEAH I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT OKAY OKAY. SO YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. YEAH OKAY. AND I'LL JUST I'LL JUST

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YOU LOOK AT THE TOPO IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S ROUGHLY 1000FT. ODDLY, I JUST NOTICED ON THIS THAT THEY'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT AT THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S KIND OF ODD TO ME, BUT TO EACH THEIR OWN, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T KNOW, 65FT FROM THE HIGHEST POINT OF THAT PROPERTY ON BODY BOARD. IT'LL DEFINITELY I MEAN, IF I WAS THEM, I WOULD WANT THAT TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OVERLOOK THE FIRE STATION.

LOOKING TOWARD LAKEWAY, LOOKING OVER THERE TOWARD 620. YOU CAN SEE THE LAKE FROM THERE. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE AREA OVER IN MARSHALL'S HARBOR, AND THAT'S WHERE I KNOW REAL FROM WHEN HE REPRESENTED BRYAN ADAMS. BUT SOME OTHER THINGS I NOTICED IN THE PACKET GOING THROUGH IT ON PAGE 13 OF THE PACKET, THERE'S A MINOR PLOT, A MINOR PLOT PENDING THAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE. THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE, COUPLED WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON THERE, THE THE PLUME HAS THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS COMMERCIAL, AND THAT IS ACCURATE AS STAFF. DULY NOTED. BUT YOU'RE JUST TWO LOTS AWAY FROM SEVEN QUARTER. I THINK THAT'S THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S FOR THOSE PEOPLE. SEVEN PORTICO. YOU'RE JUST LITERALLY TWO LOTS AWAY FROM THERE. THAT'S NOT FAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE THESE LOTS ARE. I'M GUESSING 500FT, I'M NOT SURE. BUT THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION LIKELY DIDN'T REACH INTO THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WOULD HAVE ONLY AFFECTED A COUPLE HOMEOWNERS TO THE RIGHT OF THERE. TO WHERE? LOWMAN FORD. WHILE THAT IS COUNTY PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT A SATELLITE VIEW, YOU'LL SEE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THERE. BUT ADMITTEDLY, THAT'S ALSO FOR SALE AND I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO SELL IT UNDER A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION AT SOME POINT. THE 25% IMPERVIOUS COVER MR. ENRIQUE WAS REFERRING TO THE ISLA WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND 25%, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.76 IMPERVIOUS ACRES ON THE SEVEN ACRE LOT. THAT MEANS 1.76 ACRES OF CONCRETE ON A SEVEN ACRE LOT, 25% OF THAT CONCRETE. THAT'S A LOT, IN MY OPINION.

IT'S GONE THROUGH. AND PATIENTS. TRAFFIC TALKED ABOUT. 90 KEYS IN THAT INDUSTRY THEY REFERRED TO AS CHIEFS OR 90 ROOMS. EXCUSE ME. WHEN WE ANNEX THIS PROPERTY BACK IN APRIL OF 2024 ON CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT AND I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 189 OF THE APRIL FOR APRIL FOR CITY COUNCIL PACKET 2024. THE POINTS OUT THAT THEIR ANTICIPATED IMPACT TO CITY SERVICES IS 69,200 ESTIMATED MAXIMUM GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER AND SEWER. THE MATH WORKS OUT TO APPROXIMATELY 215 TO 221. LOUISE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A POPULATION OF ABOUT 13,000 PEOPLE HERE IN LAGO VISTA. OUR WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE BEGAN WORKING ON IN 2024 2025, WAS DESIGNED AROUND ALL OF OUR CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALL HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA, THAT'S SINCE MAY, IT'S BEEN POSTPONED SEVERAL TIMES, IS LOOKING INTO DORMANT PDBS. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THOSE 215 LOVES FROM. IN MY OPINION I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE EXCESS CAPACITY. BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TODAY TO SERVICE THIS PROPERTY WITH WATER. MY CONCERN IS DOWN THE ROAD WILL WE REACH BUILDOUT AND WE GET TO A POPULATION OF AROUND 50,000 PEOPLE, NOT INCLUDING 34,000 PEOPLE FROM THE 689 ACRES IN OUR ETJ AT TWO LOADS PER ACRE. AND THAT'S WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN THAT I JUST ALLUDED TO DOES NOT ASSUME ANY ANNEXATIONS FROM THE COUNTY. IT'S DESIGNED AROUND CURRENT IN CITY ENTITLEMENTS, BUT WE HAVE A WATER MODEL. WE SPENT MONEY FOR THIS WATER MODEL. MY SUGGESTION TO STAFF WOULD BE THAT WHEN THEY GO TO COUNCIL IS JUST RUN THE NUMBERS THROUGH THE WATER MODEL AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THAT CAN HELP ANSWER THE CAN WE SERVICE THE PROPERTY WITH THE LEVEES OR NOT? AND MAKE IT ON TIME? OKAY.

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OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. OTHERWISE I CAN TRY TO CALL HIM AND PUT HIM ON SPEAKER. I DON'T KNOW, WE'VE MET WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT. COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YEAH. YOU MET WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ABOUT THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED AT 35, WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EVENT SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND DURING THAT, THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE MARSHALS ARE LIKE, YEAH, WE HAVE TO SEND EVERYBODY TO CEDAR PARK WHEN WE WANT TO DO TRAINING OR WANT TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CONFERENCE AND GO USE CEDAR PARKS, HOTELS, HAVE A LAGO VISTA FIRE MARSHAL MEETING. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD. SO HE'S DEFINITELY BRINGING SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S NEEDED FOR SURE. AND WE TRY TO APPROACH THIS BY MEETING WITH AS MANY PEOPLE UP FRONT, DOING THE DILIGENCE THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD. SO THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS DEFINITELY ON BOARD.

I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT UTILITIES. MY UNDERSTANDING, EXPLAINING CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH COULD YOU ADDRESS THE POOL? THERE'S A THERE'S A A SWIMMING POOL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. YEAH, YEAH. IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR PUBLIC USE OR IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO PATIENTS OF THE HOTEL THAT YOU IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PUBLIC POOL FOR ANYBODY TO COME AND USE. IN MY.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE RESTAURANT THAT YOU PLAN TO PUT IN? YEAH, HE'S GOT THE IDEA. THERE'S GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT INSIDE. I THINK IT'S I FORGOT 6000, MAYBE 4000FT■S.

AND WE'RE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. BUT THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. PEOPLE CAN COME AND, YOU KNOW, USE THE RESTAURANT FOR SURE. AND IS THAT GOING TO BE CASUAL OR FINE DINING? I BELIEVE IT'S CASUAL, CASUAL TO FINE DINING. I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE CONFERENCES, YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT COULD COME AND GET TOGETHER AND MEET AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER. AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD COME TO THE SITE AND NOT LEAVE. I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND INCREASED TRAFFIC. AND WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY PAY OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR. OR DO I THINK THERE'S AN IDEA OF PUTTING A, YOU KNOW, A RIGHT TURN LANE AND DECELERATION LANE IN RIGHT AND LEFT, COMING OUT AND THEN WORK. THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE AT DAWN. AND LOWMAN

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I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS GREAT LOCATION, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS DEVELOPED ON THE TWO LOTS OR ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU. AND YES, YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC. I'M SURE YOUR DAY IS GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT THIS STAGE VOTING ON THIS. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I KNOW ENOUGH. OKAY, WELL, LET'S LET'S HAVE OUR DISCUSSION WHEN WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH ASKING THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS. OKAY? OKAY. DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. WELL, I HAD A I HAD A QUESTION. TWO QUESTIONS. HAVE YOU DONE ANY FINANCIAL ANALYSIS HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE THE CITY'S GOING TO BE RECEIVING FROM SALES TAX. SO OKAY. WELL NOT BUT I'M TALKING MAYBE I'LL RUN THAT SOUND YET OR NOT. BUT HE'S DONE AN EXTENSIVE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS ON THE ON THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS PROJECT AND BRINGING IT TO BIOGRAPHIES. YES. OKAY. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE I GUESS THIS LOOKS LIKE A POTENTIAL SITE PLAN. THE THESE THIS LOOKS LIKE MORE THAN 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER. ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE PARKING LOT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE PERVIOUS CONCRETE OR WHAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE INTENT IS TO STAY WITHIN THE CODE WOULD BE ALLOWABLE CODE. AND THEN, YEAH, WHEREVER WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PERVIOUS PAPERS OR THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ASPHALT, IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A UPHILL BATTLE TRYING TO GET THAT 30% OR 25%. RIGHT? RIGHT. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IF IT WAS ONCE YOU NOW ONCE YOU SITE INSIDE A CITY LIMITS ISN'T THE IMPERVIOUS DOESN'T THE IMPERVIOUS COVER JUMP TO 30% INSTEAD OF 25%? THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DECIDE IS PDE. AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THERE OR NOT, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE'RE PART OF THE CITY, WE'RE NOT PART OF THE TRAVIS COUNTY RESTRICTION. SO WE'RE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. SO WE'RE PART OF THE CITY OF VISTA. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE 30%. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, NOT THE NOT THE TRAVIS COUNTY. YEAH. AGREEMENT. I THINK THERE'S SOME FOLKS ONLINE THAT ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. SO AIM THE MIC HIGHER AND STEP YOUR FOOT. IS IT IS IT ON 020 MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN ON. TWIST THE GOOSENECK UP THAT WAY. YOU WANT IT TO HANG ON TO IT. SURE. IF IT'S ON IF IT'S ON, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE. NOW IT'S ON TEST, TEST, TEST. YEAH. RIGHT. ARUN, CAN YOU CAN YOU TALK OR. NO, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPEAT EVERYTHING AGAIN. I'M SORRY. IT'S GOOD PRACTICE. PRACTICE? YEAH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COULD YOU ADDRESS THE CONFERENCE SPACE? YOU YOU REFERRED TO THE CONFERENCE SPACE. IS IT GOING TO BE ONE BIG CONFERENCE ROOM, MULTIPLE MEETING ROOMS OR WHAT? WHAT IS A BIG SPACE THAT CAN HOLD? I THINK THAT'S A 200 PEOPLE. AND THEN SEVERAL BREAKOUT ROOMS, SMALLER ROOMS LIKE OF THIS SIZE COMMENSURATE WITH THIS SPACE.

YEAH. SO HE PLANS TO OFFER A VARIETY OF SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, PLACES OF ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, BARS OR LITTLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE RESTAURANT. I THINK THERE'S CASITAS THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND STAY IN THE CASITAS IF THEY WANT TO STAY IN THE HOTEL. SO, YEAH. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEN I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 608. THANK QUICK QUESTION, WHICH MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER. DAVID KING WOULD BE

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OR IF THERE IS A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING, MAYBE WHO THEY ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION. OKAY. I'M NOT PRIVILEGED TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THAT, SO I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO MR. RUBIN, ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN YOUR VOLUME ON? CAN YOU GIVE YES OR NO GESTURES? OKAY, OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU HEARD THAT RECENT QUESTION, IT PERTAINED TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY ALREADY. AND AND IT'S YOUR QUESTION ALSO IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE IF THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE THE BUILDER OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO SELL OFF THE ENTITLEMENT, IS THAT THE QUESTION ESSENTIALLY THEIR PLAN ABUSIVE? OKAY. COULD YOU COULD YOU INDICATE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO OH WAS THAT YOU. OKAY. GOOD. GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. HEY LET ME BE THE LAST QUESTION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES, YES. OKAY. THE LAST PERSON'S QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE VESTED IN IT. YES, WE ARE VESTED. WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH ITG HOTELS TO BUILD AN INDIGO HOTEL. IT'S AN IT'S A LUXURY BRAND WHICH IS BUILDING OVER THERE. IT CREATES AN IMAGE TO THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. ONE. IT IS A BRANDED HOTEL. ONE. THE SECOND THING IS THE EVENT CENTER, WHICH WE ARE TALKING. YES. MR. VILLE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED TO YOU IT'S A 200 300 PEOPLE EVENT CENTER WHICH CAN BE USED BY MULTIPLE COMPANIES OR CITY OR US EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND OTHER THINGS. AND WE HAVE ALREADY CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THERE ARE LITTLE OR NO BOTTLENECKS BECAUSE OF THIS TRAFFIC. AND THE TRAFFIC THERE IS. WE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO THE CITY ALREADY. IT IS IN THE PROCESS.

FREESE AND NICHOLS IS ALREADY REVIEWING IT. THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED. ALL THE CONCERNS, ANSWERS TO THE CONCERNS WHICH THEY HAVE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD REPEAT IT, I CAN I CAN TELL YOU, SORRY, I KIND OF MY COMPUTER DID NOT REALLY CATCH UP MY MIC, WHICH IS THE REASON I COULD NOT REALLY SPEAK AT THE TIME. WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU CONCLUDE THE THE PROJECT ITSELF IS ENOUGH. IT IS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AND. THE WE ARE ADHERING TO THE CITY STANDARDS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONLY TWO VARIANCES. THAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. I GUESS THAT IS THE ONLY THING WHICH WE ARE ASKING BASED ON. WILL SPRING WILL'S CONCEPT PLAN. AND WE ARE IN AN ADVANCED STAGE OF WORKING WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND FUNDING COMPANIES TO FUND THIS HOTEL.

AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. WELL, DO YOU HAVE ARE YOU DO YOU HAVE PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OR BACKGROUND IN MANAGING HOTELS OR OR SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS? HAVE PARTNERS HAVE IT? WE WE ARE A DEVELOPER COMPANY AND WE HAVE PARTNERS, GENERAL PARTNERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING IN RUNNING THE HOTEL. AND WE ARE NOT. BASICALLY THE HOTELS ARE RUN BY THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, THE HOTEL OPERATORS. WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY WE OVERSEE. WE ARE THE OVERARCHING COMPANY WHO WILL BE MANAGING THE HOTEL OPERATORS, WHO MANAGES THE HOTEL FOR PER SE, AND THE BIGGEST COMPANY IN US, AIMBRIDGE AND REMINGTON.

THESE ARE THE TWO COMPANIES WHICH ARE COMPANY. THOSE ARE THE HOTEL OPERATORS, THE LUXURY HOTEL OPERATORS. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPERATING THIS HOTEL OR THE RESTAURANT AND THE

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SO THE RESTAURANT IS DESIGNED AND IT IS BASICALLY A MULTI-CUISINE RESTAURANT, WHICH WILL IT IS MORE LIKE A FULL SERVICE FINE DINING OR FINE DINING. IT IS LITTLE. OFTEN IT IS A BLEND OF CASUAL AND FINE DINING. IT'S IT IS. IT WILL BE IN THAT KIND OF RANGE. AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. HAVE YOU NOW AND THIS IS MAYBE THROUGH THE CITY AS WELL.

HAVE YOU CONTACTED YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE IS WHEN THEY WHEN THERE'S A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE LIKE THIS, THEY USUALLY TAKE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND HAVE EASEMENTS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS FOR EACH LOT NEXT TO IT, THEY SHARE A DRIVEWAY, A JOINT DRIVEWAY, WHICH WILL, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY IT'LL MAKE THE ACCESSING INTO LOWMAN FORD A LITTLE SAFER BECAUSE NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS FOR EACH LOCATION, YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST ONE. SO HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANY OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ONE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, DOING AN EASEMENT IN ONE DRIVEWAY INSTEAD OF TWO ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS? YES, ACTUALLY, THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY. IT'S MORE LIKE A RESORT. IT IS NOT. IT IS MORE LIKE A RESORT. NOW. IT HAS THE PEOPLE COMING IN. WE CANNOT HAVE A ROAD COMING FROM THE GAS STATION INTO MY PROPERTY. WE CANNOT DO THAT ONE BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE A RESTAURANT. IT IS NOT A RESORT SIDE OF PROPERTY. IT IS IN THE LUXURY SEGMENT. IT IS. IT IS NOT AN IMMORTAL SIX SORT OF THING. IT IS A LUXURY SEGMENT WHICH WE ARE. WE CANNOT HAVE AN IT IS HAVE. WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS CITY, DEFINITELY TWO THE IHG, WHICH WE ARE PARTNERING WITH. SO WHEN WE ARE SAYING THAT IT'S A LUXURY BRANDED HOTEL, WE CANNOT HAVE A THOROUGHFARE GOING THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I WASN'T REFERRING ALL THE WAY FROM THE FROM THE GAS STATION. I'M JUST I WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ADJACENT THREE NEIGHBORS, TWO NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE BOTH 5 TO 7 ACRE LOTS ON EACH SIDE OF YOU. CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. SO MY INTEREST IN PROPERTY ON MY IF I'M LOOKING AT MY PROPERTY ON MY RIGHT, IT IS A FIVE ACRE PROPERTY. AND THE PROPERTY WHICH I'M ON MY LEFT, WHICH IS A TEN ACRE PROPERTY, I GUESS, WHICH IS A GAS STATION. ALL THE FUTURE GAS. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S A FUTURE GAS STATION. OKAY. SO THE TRAFFIC. BOB, TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED. THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL THE THINGS UNTIL UNTIL THE DAWN. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT NUMBER OF NUMBER OF CARS GOING IN, NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING IN. THEY HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THEY CAN TAKE IN THOSE NUMBERS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY ARE DESIGNING, WHICH IS THE REASON WILL HAS MENTIONED TO YOU ABOUT A SERVICE LANE GOING INTO PROPERTY. WE ARE NOT USING. ANYBODY ENTERING THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE USING THE THOROUGHFARE. THEY WILL BE HAVING THEIR OWN ACCESS ROAD TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'LL BE GLAD TO ASK. NO. OKAY.

I THINK IT WAS A FULL THREE MINUTES. YES YOU DID, SHE DID, I DIDN'T OKAY, YOU KNOW THAT.

LET ME JUST MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT. THERE'S AN INDIAN. YOU CAN'T SPEAK. YOU CANNOT SPEAK FROM OUT THERE. IF THE CHAIR IF THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES YOU, YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, I JUST. CAN BE VERY QUICKLY. SORRY. THERE'S AN INDIGO HOTEL THAT THEY THEY RUN IN AUSTIN.

IT IS NOT RATED LUXURY. IT IS NOT WHAT IT IS NOT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IT IS A CHAIN. OKAY,

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IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 658. ONE MORE THING, ACTUALLY. RUNOFF WATER. DID DID SHE MENTION ABOUT RUNOFF WATER IN THAT IN IN HER CONVERSATION? NO WE DIDN'T. I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A RETENTION POND, RIGHT? YES A RETENTION POND. YEAH. WE HAVE A BIG DETENTION POND. IT IS MORE THAN HALF AN ACRE OF DETENTION POND OVER THERE. OKAY. NO WATER GOES UNDER THE STREET. I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. IF YOUR PROJECT IS APPROVED, ARE YOU GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO CONTROL THE THE LIGHTING SITUATION, HOODED LIGHTS OR THE CONCERNING TO THE DARK SKIES? IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A BLAZE OF LIGHTS AND PARKING LIGHTS AND WE RESPECT THE DARK SKIES WE RESPECT AND WE WILL BE ADDING TO THOSE STANDARDS. THAT MUCH I CAN SAY. AND WE HAVE PLENTY. I WE WE ARE SPEAKING TO OUR BUILDERS HOW WE CAN RESPECT THE DARK SKIES. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE. WE WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE DARK SKIES RULES WHICH LOG OFFICE DOES PUT IN PLACE. THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO.

THEY WILL. OH YEAH. NO THEY HAVE TO. BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S IT HAS TO IT HAS TO BE. YEAH.

LET'S SEE. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER. NO. THANK YOU. CONTEXT. IT'S CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY TO APPROVE THIS PDC. THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCES.

MY SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS, TALK TO STAFF, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TRY TO COME UP, FIND IDENTIFY WITH THE PRIMARY OBJECTION. OBJECTIONS ARE AND SEE IF YOU AND YOUR PARTNERS CAN DEVELOP A PRODUCT THAT IS AGREEABLE. YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO COME UP WITH A PROJECT THAT IS THE MOST SUPERIOR PROJECT POSSIBLE, THAT YOU CAN GET SIX OUT OF SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR. THANK YOU. LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WE HAVE CONDUCTED TWO MEETINGS WITH. WE CALLED FOR TWO MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL ALL THE ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE SURROUNDING MY PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE GIVEN THE RECORDINGS TO THE WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE RECORDINGS TO THE WHEN WE ARE GIVING SUBMITTING THE PAPERWORK AND THE RECORDINGS ARE THERE, BUT NO OTHER NEIGHBOR OR MY. THE NEIGHBORS HAVE REALLY

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DEPENDING ON THAT, WE WILL KNOW HOW MANY TREES WILL BE PUTTING, BUT THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT FEE THAT WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF. SO YOU CAN'T TELL HOW MANY TREES ARE GOING TO BE CUT OUT BY THE PLACEMENT OF YOUR PARKING LOT, YOUR RETENTION POND, YOUR POOL AND CABANAS, ALL THAT STUFF. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY TREES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT TO BUILD THOSE. WHEN IT COMES TO RETENTION POND, WE ARE NOT. THERE ARE NO TREES THAT THAT IS AFFECTING THAT IS AFFECTED. THERE ARE WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING ENVELOPE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TREES OUT THERE WHICH NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED, OR WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM WITH NEW TREES. OKAY, OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT, NOTHING TO SAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:04 P.M. AND I'M GOING TO OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS. AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT MR. ROBERTS DID ALLUDE TO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE TODAY IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING A FINAL APPROVAL TODAY OR A FINAL DENIAL. WE ARE JUST GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, SO WITH THAT COMMENT, WHO WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION? IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S A VERY LOW DENSITY PROJECT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED LIKE FIREFLIES. PLEASE EXCUSE ME, PLEASE, CAN YOU PLEASE PULL YOUR MICROPHONE DOWN? THANK YOU.

SO TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S VERY LOW DENSITY IN LOW, LOW TRAFFIC SITUATION. UNLIKE TURN BACK RANCH AND OR BARTLETT, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THAT.

AND JUST AS A REFERENCE, I'M FROM A TOWN CALLED ODESSA, TEXAS IN DOWNTOWN ODESSA, TEXAS.

IT WAS REALLY HORRIBLE. AND SOME PEOPLE PUT IN A VERY NICE MARRIOTT. IT'S REALLY STARTING TO REVITALIZE THE CENTER OF TOWN, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY A FAIRLY DECENT NEED FOR LAGO VISTA. OKAY. LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. THANK YOU. I THINK IN GENERAL I LIKE THE CONCEPT, BUT THERE ARE SOME STICKLERS THAT THAT ARE BEARING ME AWAY FROM WANTING TO APPROVE THIS. AND NUMBER ONE IS THE HEIGHT VARIANCE. I THINK THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR REASON. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT REASONS THAT THAT I SEE FOR THEM IS IT HELPS TO PRESERVE OUR SCENIC BEAUTY WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IN TURN HELPS PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER. WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE LOOK OUT ACROSS THE HORIZON AND SEE THE BEAUTY OF OUR AREA IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND I LIKE TO SEE MORE TREE TOPS THAN ROOFTOPS. SO AND THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT IS A BIG STICKLER FOR ME ON THIS ONE. I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THIS AREA. I MEAN, THIS IS APPARENTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR. BUT I DO WONDER IF IF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FLUME IS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA AND WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONSIDER

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AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS SOMETHING THAT JEAN BROUGHT UP IS THE TREES TO BE REMOVED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY WHICH TREES WOULD BE REMOVED, WHETHER THEY WHETHER THEY PLAN TO REPLACE THEM OR NOT. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE WHICH ONES WOULD BE REMOVED WITH A FEE IN LIEU, AND WHICH ONES WOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER CONSIDERATION TO THINK ABOUT IS, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IF IT'S DONE WELL AND IT FITS INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD USE FOR THIS, THIS AREA.

AGAIN, IF I SAY IF IT DOESN'T HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC AND OUR NEIGHBORS. SO THE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, WHAT MIGHT SOMEONE ELSE DO IF THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, HEY, WE THINK, WELL, THIS MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY IT BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND BETTER WORDS. THE LESSER OF, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 100 EVILS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. DAVE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? YEAH, I'VE GOT FIVE THINGS. OKAY, OKAY. I SPENT 33 YEARS WORKING FOR THE CITY. AND I KNOW THIS TOWN INSIDE OUT. WHETHER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PIPES OR ROADS. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH BOGGY FORD. SO BOGGY FORD IS A FOUR LANE ROAD. IT'S JUST PAVED FOR TWO. AND TO PENALIZE ANY DEVELOPER IN THIS SECTION OF BOGGY FORD FOR WANTING TO IMPROVE THEIR PARTIES ON THE CITY. THE CITY SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF A PLAN TO BRING BOGGY FORWARD TO FOUR LANES, WITH THE APPROPRIATE TURN LANES AT LOMAN'S FORD GOING TOWARDS JOINT VENTURE AND THAT AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE TRAFFIC THING. NOW WHEN WE DO. TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES AND YOU GET SOME IMPROVEMENTS FROM FIREFLY AND YOU WIND UP GETTING SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE BUILDING PIECEMEAL, EXPANDING BOGGY FORD TO ITS BUILD OUT FOUR LANE THING. AND TO ME, WHAT IF IF I WAS IF I WAS IN CHARGE, I'D BE PROPOSING THAT WE COMBINE THE MONEY FROM FIREFLY WITH THE MONEY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEN ASSESS OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD ALSO IMPACT IT, AND THEN BUILD THE ROAD. AND WHEN THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED, THEY WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY AND THE WHOLE THE ROAD PROBLEM GOES AWAY. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PIECEMEALING THIS, THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE THE SAME CONVERSATION AGAIN AND AGAIN. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE THE CHOKE POINT FURTHER DOWN. SO THE ROAD'S A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S NOT BEING CAUSED BY FIREFLY OR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE BEHIND THE CURVE. ON GETTING BOGGY FORD BUILT PROPERLY. SO ON THE LOUISE PROPERTIES USING IT'S CHANGED SINCE I LAST CALCULATED THEM. BUT THERE'S A HYBRID AND IT'S NOT ONE ROOM IS ONE LOU. IT MAY BE ONE ROOM IS 0.6 LOU. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANTS WOULD BE. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CALCULATION THAT WOULD BE DONE BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE 94 DOORS. YOU HAVE 94. LOUISE. THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE. I THINK THE INN ON LAKE TRAVIS WAS. WE DID EVERY ROOM WAS 0.7 OR 0.6, LOUIS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S A MATH PROBLEM AS FAR AS THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER CAPACITY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO BE ON PNC. THE WATER LINES AND THE WASTEWATER LINES ON BOGGY FORD HAVE NO SURPLUS CAPACITY. AND. WELL, THE WATER DOES. OKAY, I'LL TAKE THE WATER OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE WE GOT THE VIKING TANK ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE. IT HAS NO SURPLUS CAPACITY AND IF YOU SELL THE CAPACITY IN IT, THEN YOU'RE DENYING PEOPLE FROM OLD LOGO DOWN HIGHLAND LAKES

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CLOSE THAT THERE IS NO ELEVATED STORAGE FOR THEM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO PUT THAT THIRD TANK OVER THERE. SO THERE AGAIN, I WOULD TAKE THE MONEY FOR THIS THING AND PUT IT IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT. AND THEN AS LONG AS WE COULD, THE WATER THAT WE HAVE IN THESE TWO TANKS IS FOR OLD LAGO. THEIR TAXES PAID FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION. BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY. WE CAN'T LOAN IT, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD THAT OTHER TANK AND WE START ACCUMULATING THIS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $4 MILLION TANK. WE TAKE THESE ESCROWS, WE TAKE THE OTHER ESCROWS, AND WE PUT THEM TOGETHER, AND THE CITIZENS DON'T PAY FOR THAT 400,000 GALLON TANK LIKE THE WATER MASTER PLAN SAID. WE GET THE DEVELOPERS AND THE USERS WHO ARE BORROWING WATER TO PAY FOR THAT TANK, AND THEN THE CITY ONLY PAYS FOR THE SURPLUS TO FILL IN THE HOUSES THAT THE GOLF BALL AND THE VIKING TANK CAN'T DO. THEN THE LAST THING, IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME TO PUT THE HOTEL IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE TOP, BECAUSE IS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR LANDMARK. I WOULD MOVE IT DOWN TO THE LOWER ELEVATIONS AND NOTCH IT INTO A HILL, AND IF I WAS TO PUT ANYTHING UP TOP, I'D PUT THOSE THAT THE SMALLER BUSINESSES AND STUFF UP THERE, AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT I'M HEARING. BUT, I MEAN, IF THEY COULD COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATE PLAN. SO I SEE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAVID, A QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, JORDAN, BASED ON A COMMENT THAT. JEFF MADE REGARDING TRAFFIC, FIREFLY AND LUNA RIDGE AND THE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF LOWMAN ARE ALL GOING TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE BOGGY LOWMAN INTERSECTION, THAT WHEN THAT INTERSECTION IS IMPROVED, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ASSESSED A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT HAS THIS DEVELOPMENT BASED ON WHERE IT IS, IS, IS ARE THEY GOING TO BE ASSESSED A CONTRIBUTION. SO IT WILL BE

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THERE'S THE STREET IMPACT FEES AS WELL AS WHATEVER THE TIA SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO DO AS IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT IT IS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT WILL BE ASSESSED AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMENTS. WELL, YEAH, I FOUND THE TREES. IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN. I JUST DIDN'T NOTICE IT BEFORE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE SITE DATA TABLE, IT STATES IN THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVER 37.37% I THINK IS WHAT IT SAYS. SO HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT THIS 25% CAP? SO IF I MAY, AND THE ENGINEERS HERE AS WELL, THIS IS MORE OF A CONCEPT PLAN THAN ANYTHING ELSE. IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, THEY HAVE TO GET INTO FULL CIVIL SETS. AND BEFORE MOVING TO FULL CIVIL SETS, GETTING THE ZONING IS TYPICALLY A A WAY TO NOT GET IN OVER YOUR HEAD, OVER WITH ENGINEERING FEES. SO THEY HAVE DONE A PRELIMINARY CONCEPT JUST BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AT HAND. IF THEY DO GET THEIR ZONING AND THEY KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THEN WE WILL GET THE DETAILED PLAN. WE'LL GET THE SITE PLANS THAT ARE MUCH MORE IN DEPTH. THIS WAS TO SHOW THIS IS THE INTENT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S NOT FINAL BY ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. AND TO TO CONFIRM THIS, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE ZONING. BUT ONCE THE ZONING RECOMMENDATION GOES FROM HERE TO COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OUTCOME IS, THAT PLAT WILL NOT THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PLAT WILL NOT COME BACK TO US AT ALL. THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TIME P AND Z EVALUATES THIS PROJECT. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE PLAN IS A MINOR PLAT. IT'S JUST THE ONE LOT THERE. CLEANING UP SOME STUFF ON A PREVIOUS PLAT THERE, ADJUSTING SOME EASEMENTS. AND SO IT'S MINOR PLAT. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD. IF COUNCIL HAS NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND APPROVES IT, NO, IT WOULD NOT COME BACK. THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS I DON'T BELIEVE WOULD REQUIRE ANY PUBLIC NOTICE. I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE A TRIGGER TO COME BACK BEFORE A COURT AFTER THE ZONING IS APPROVED. UNLESS I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT. I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THAT THIS WOULD, THAT THIS WOULD COME TO US. MAYBE A VARIANCE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, BUT THE ZONING IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR FOREVER. SO IF THERE WAS A VARIANCE ON A MINOR PLAT, WOULD WE HEAR THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR CODE, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A MINOR PLAT. YEAH, YEAH, IT'D BE SO MINOR THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE IS THAT LAGO VISTA HAS VERY FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES FOR SALE. I MEAN, I'M A REAL ESTATE AGENT. IT HAS VERY FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND WE HAVE LESS PROPERTIES THAT ARE THREE ACRES AND AND ABOVE. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND LAGO VISTA, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, LOWMAN FORD 1431. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF MAYBE QUARTER ACRE LOTS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO EVER WANT TO HAVE AN HEB OR SOMETHING GRAND, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START ANNEXING PROPERTIES WITHIN OUR ETJ. AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AMICABLE OR NOT.

BUT ONE OF AGAIN, GOING BACK, LAGO VISTA AT THIS POINT IN TIME HAS VERY FEW LOTS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL OF THIS SIZE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT IS INCOME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE MAJORITY OF THE TAX BURDEN IS CARRIED ON OUR SHOULDERS. THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S A FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HERE, SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAXES, THE MAJORITY OF THE BURDEN IS CARRIED ON THE ON THE CITIZENS. AND HENCE WE CAN'T DEVELOP, WE CAN'T PAVE ROADS, WE CAN'T PAY THIS. WE REALLY HAVE TO PICK OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE CALL IT THE LACK OF REVENUE. OKAY. ONE SURE WAY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF WATER SUPPLY SEWER LINES.

HECK, EVEN MAYBE SIDEWALKS IS TO START GETTING INCOME FROM OTHER SOURCES. AND THE BEST WAY

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AND I DON'T PROBABLY MORE TAXES THAN I CAN SHAKE A STICK AT. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE JOBS, OKAY. RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE WHO LOVE LIVING IN LAGO VISTA HAVE TO WORK IN CEDAR PARK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO RESTAURANTS TO SPEAK OF BY THE WEATHER POPULATION TO SUPPORT SOME OF THESE COMMODITIES. NOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I'VE I'VE HEARD HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HEARD THIS MANY TIMES IS WE DON'T HAVE A NICE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, AM I LIKE, WELL, HERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE.

THE BEST LOCATION, IN MY OPINION, FOR THIS HOTEL WOULD HAVE BEEN ON LOWMAN FORD ROAD ON 17 ACRES. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE 17 ACRES WAS BOUGHT BY THE BY THE LAGO VISTA ISD. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH 17 ACRES WORTH OF POTENTIAL REVENUE. NOW IT'S OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY TAXES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF REVENUES OFF OF THAT. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STUDENTS IF OR UNLESS THEY DECIDE TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL OR MAYBE A DOMAIN OFFICE. I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT 17 ACRES.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THIS RESTAURANT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BOUGHT IT AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE BIG LOCATIONS LIKE BIG, BIG LOTS LIKE WE DO HERE ON ON LOWMAN FORD. OKAY. NOW ONE OF THE THINGS IS THEY DECIDED TO GET ANNEXED BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING.

BUT REALLY, IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO, THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE JUST REMAINED ON ANNEXED, PUT A WELL AND A AND A HECK OF A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND MAYBE NOT BUILD SUCH A BIG PROJECT, BUT THAT WAS THEY DECIDED TO WING IT AND I THINK THEY SAW THE NEED. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A HOTEL OR RESTAURANT IF THEY DON'T SEE THEIR THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE MARKET, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH MARKET ANALYSIS, AND THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ENGINEERS. AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT'S A FLY BY NIGHT. SO I THINK THAT IN THIS SITUATION, IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST LOCATION FOR A RESTAURANT OR A HOTEL, BUT IF WHAT WE DO HERE IS GOING TO BE IS GOING TO LAY A PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF LAGO VISTA, IF LAGO VISTA, IF WORD GETS OUT THAT AND WE KNOW WE NEED A HOTEL, THAT'S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE. IF WORD GETS OUT AND WHEN I SAY WORD GETS OUT, I'M TALKING DEVELOPERS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH MONEY THAT WANT TO. MOVE TO LAGO VISTA. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR MANY YEARS. DEVELOPERS DON'T WANT TO COME TO LAGO VISTA BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS AN UPHILL BATTLE. AND WHAT HAPPENS NOT TO MINIMIZE OR ANYTHING, BUT IF AND AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU OWN SOME OF THESE HOMES, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE WATERLOO HOMES FROM BROWN HOMES, THEY CAME IN AND LOOK WHAT THEY DID. WHY? BECAUSE WE WERE NOT FLEXIBLE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE ASKED THE WATERLOO HOMES TO PLEASE DO ANOTHER, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FLOOR PLAN. JUST GIVE US A DIFFERENT ELEVATION SO EVERY HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME. SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BEND AND SAY, OKAY, LISTEN, DO WE WANT QUALITY INVESTORS AND QUALITY PRODUCTS AND QUALITY, INCREASED QUALITY WAY OF LIFE? THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SACRIFICE SOMETHING. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE I MEAN I'M IN THE BUSINESS AND PEOPLE TELL ME I'LL NEVER SELL MY HOUSE. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT GOING UP IN VALUE. BUT EVERY PERSON SELLS THEIR HOME WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE IN WITH THEIR GRANDKIDS, OR THEY WANT TO MOVE TO THE GRANDKIDS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY START WORRYING ABOUT, WELL, GEE, WHY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MY PRICE? YOU KNOW, CEDAR PARK, YOU CAN SELL A HOUSE FOR TWICE AS MUCH AS HERE. WHY IS THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SAY YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE GROWTH AND IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP, IF NOTHING ELSE, WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES. OKAY. SO THAT'S MY INPUT. AND I REALLY I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD THAN WHAT I, WHAT I ORIGINALLY MENTIONED. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ADJACENT PROPERTY, DEFINITELY TRAFFIC, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS BROUGHT UP DURING THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS VALID. I DO ALSO THINK THE

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SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED 25 TO 905 PD REZ. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR I, I. I WILL VOTE TO I WILL VOTE IN THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND LET COUNCIL EVALUATE IT. AND THEN AND AS WAS POINTED OUT, THEY WOULD NEED A SUPERMAJORITY AND I WOULD I WOULD LET THIS MOVE FURTHER FOR COUNCIL. YES. YEAH.

THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE OBSTACLES. THIS IS THE FIRST OBSTACLE. YEAH. THEY'RE GOOD. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO SAY OKAY, WE WANT THIS MANY TREES.

WE WANT THIS, WE WANT THAT. THEY'LL GIVE THEM A LIST FULL OF. IDEAS, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK AS LONG AS WE GET THE PUT THE BALL IN THEIR COURT, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HAPPY BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM A LOT MORE PEOPLE JUST FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE. ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE VOTING STARTS. SO IF YOU WILL, CHAIRPERSON, GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE I THINK YOU GOT FOUR IN FAVOR. AND YOU WERE PROBABLY ABOUT TO CALL FOR THOSE AGAINST.

I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TO CALL FOR THE WHO WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. OKAY. AND WHO WOULD ALL AGAINST. YES, I, I KNOW. AND WE ASKED MR. CHAIRMAN NOT TO VOTE. OKAY, OKAY. WELL CAN WE KNOW WHAT DAVE WAS GOING TO VOTE? OR IS IT LIKE I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED HIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND I DON'T OWN IT. HE OWNS IT. YEAH, AS LONG AS IT'S BUILT ACCORDING TO CITY CODES.

BUT I DO THINK THE CITY'S GOT TO REDO HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE ITS INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE THAT SECTION OF BOGGY FORD IS EXACTLY HOW YOU DON'T DO IT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES THAT AGENDA ITEM. AND WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT IT GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR EVALUATION. THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO HAS GIVEN INPUT ON THIS WHEREBY IT.

WELCOME YOU TO COME GET IT. AND WE WE LIVED IN ODESSA AND ODESSA IS NOTHING LIKE A VERY OR A HOTEL. I MEAN I, I GREW UP THERE. YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO PLACES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. YEAH, THAT'S. EXCEPT FOR THE OIL. YEAH. IT HELPED. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO A

[VIII.1. Presentation and Discussion on the Preliminary Code Diagnostic Report from Freese and Nichols.]

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THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT, ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY HAVE MISSED. AND THEN FROM THERE THEY WILL FINALIZE THEIR REPORT, WHICH WE SHOULD RECEIVE LATER THIS MONTH. THAT WILL BE FORWARDED AS A JOINT WORKSHOP TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT I'LL LET THEM TAKE OVER. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S A YELLOW LIGHT. GOOD. OKAY, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSION. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS WORK SESSION OVERVIEW OUR WORK PRODUCT. WE'RE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU THE RESULTS OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC AND REPORT OUT TO YOU AND GIVE YOU A RECAP ON THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. SO MY NAME IS EVAN. I'M AN URBAN PLANNER WITH TREES AND VEHICLES, AND I'M MANAGING THIS PROJECT. AND I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY LAURA ZACARIAS, ALSO AN URBAN PLANNER, AND OUR FIRM ON THIS TEAM. WE ALSO HAVE CHANCE SPARKS, THE URBAN PLANNING GROUP MANAGER, WHO'S OUR SENIOR ADVISOR. AND THEN WE HAVE PROJECT ENGINEERS GEORGE FOWLER AND MICHAEL LOCATI. SO THESE ARE ALL FOLKS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE HELPING OUT STAFF HERE WITH DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS. SO WE KIND OF SELECTED THIS TEAM TO BRING IN PEOPLE WITH SOME MORE FAMILIARITY WITH DIFFERENT PARTS OF YOUR BRAIN. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS. WE GOT UNDER CONTRACT IN SEPTEMBER TO DO THIS DIAGNOSTIC REPORT ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS WE TALK TO FOLKS AND GATHER IDEAS, AND THEN WE READ YOUR CODE. AND THEN BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, WE MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, POTENTIAL WAYS THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OR IDEAS THAT WERE BROUGHT OUT. SO THIS PROCESS GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SIDE SHOWS WE STARTED WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS. SO TALKING WITH CITY STAFF AND THEN WE MOVED ON TO EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS. IT SEEMS LIKE DEVELOPERS, LOCAL LANDOWNERS DO WE PREPARE THIS KEY ISSUE SUMMARY. AND RIGHT WHERE THE LITTLE STARS TONIGHT, THIS PUBLIC MEETING TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET. SO I WANT TO START BY TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT THE DIAGNOSTIC IS AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT. AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THAT OVERVIEW OF SPECIFIC THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT. SO BACKGROUND ON DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. IN ESSENCE WHAT IT IS IS INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S PLANS AND INFORMATION FROM CITY STAFF, FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION FROM EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, ALL SORT OF COMBINED TOGETHER TO POINT TOWARDS THE GOALS OF THE CITY'S IDENTIFIED IN THINGS LIKE YOUR INTERIM GROWTH PLAN OR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT IS TO DIGEST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PROVIDE YOU WITH SOMETHING LIKE A ROADMAP FOR MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS IS, BUT TO GIVE YOU SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU MULL OVER THE NEXT STEPS. SO THIS IS NOT THE FINAL SAY. THESE ARE JUST IDEAS FOR HOW THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS CAN BE MET. SO THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN PREPARING THIS DIAGNOSTIC WERE THE INTERIM GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY, THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND PARKS MINISTER, ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS DRAFTING STANDARDS. AND THE GOAL IS FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO FROM THE PLANS TO FEED INTO OUR REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS SHOWN ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. THAT'S YOUR BUILDING SITE DEVELOPMENT SIGNS, SUBDIVISIONS, UTILITIES AND ZONINGS AND THEN SYNCHRONIZING THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM THESE. SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHO WE TALKED TO. WE HELD AN IN-PERSON STAFF INTERVIEW SESSION AND WE HELD IT HERE IN THIS ROOM. IT WAS KIND OF A COME AND GO EVENT WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME AND DISCUSS THINGS THAT THEY'VE NOTICED OVER TIME IN THE CODE, OR THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THINGS TO BE. AND WE ALSO WENT ON A CITY TOUR WITH DWAYNE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND WE GOT TO VISIT SOME PRETTY COOL PLACES. THERE'S SOME SUBDIVISIONS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. WE WENT TO TESSERA. WE WENT OVER BY THE AIRPORT JUST TO LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE. AND THEN AFTER THIS, WE HAD TEN PHONE AND VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING ENGINEERS, DEVELOPERS, LANDOWNERS AND SURVEYORS, BASICALLY ASKING THEM WHAT WERE THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH CODE FROM THEIR ANGLE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS PUT TOGETHER THIS INFORMATION INTO OUR KEY ISSUES SUMMARY, WHICH IS OUTLINED HERE. THIS REFLECTS

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AND ALSO TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS AS COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES AND AS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE AND THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT DEVELOPERS AND CITIZENS ASK ABOUT THE CODE TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE SHOULD INCLUDE.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO MENTION. SO I'M GOING TO PASS THE MIC TO LAURA AND SHE'S GOING TO GO OVER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. AND IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME LET ME KNOW. I TEND TO GET A LITTLE QUIET AS I SPEAK, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IS ORGANIZATION. SO A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, NOT ONLY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, BUT STAFF AND JUST GENERAL USERS OF THE OF THE DOCUMENT, IS THAT IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY ORGANIZED IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR NAVIGATION, FOR A DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT'S LISTED ON THE SLIDE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT IS BROKEN OUT INTO FOUR KEY ITEMS. THE FIRST BEING CONSOLIDATING THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT CHAPTERS. SO YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT SIGNS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, ZONING INTO A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. REALLY. THAT'S NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU THROW OUT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND YOU REPLACE IT WITH THIS NEW SHINY THING. WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S ORGANIZING THOSE THINGS IN SUCH A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO USE THE CODE, THEY CAN GO TO ONE PLACE TO KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR PROPERTY, ONE PLACE TO KNOW HOW TO DIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO IT'S JUST MAKING THAT A LOT MORE USER FRIENDLY. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS CONSOLIDATION OF TECHNICAL STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS INTO AN ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL. SO BASICALLY TAKING ALL OF THESE RULES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DESIGN OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUTTING ALL OF THOSE WITHIN ONE MANUAL, SAME CONCEPT AS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PERSPECTIVE. THIRD IS CONSOLIDATION OF APPLICATION AND SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS, FORMS AND CHECKLISTS INTO A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION MANUAL, WHICH WOULD SERVE AS A DEVELOPMENT GUIDE. SO TAKING WHAT'S IN THE CODE AND THAT ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL AND THEN OPERATIONALIZING IT INTO WHAT ARE YOUR APPLICATION FORMS LOOK LIKE, WHAT DOES THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE AND MAKE THAT REALLY PALATABLE FOR THE END USER, SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE WALKS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OFFICE, THEY CAN BE HANDED THIS DOCUMENT THAT CAN GET THEM FROM POINT A TO POINT Z ON A DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. HEY, I'VE GOT RAW LAND, I WANT TO DO THE WHOLE THING. OR THEY CAN SPEAK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND SAY I HAVE X, Y AND Z DONE.

WHERE DO I GO FROM THERE? AND THAT IT'LL KIND OF GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THE APPLICATION AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT GOES INTO THAT KIND OF A THING. AND THEN FOURTH IS CREATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE FEE SCHEDULE. AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS TAKING THERE'S REFERENCES WITHIN THE CODE TO FEES THAT MAY BE OUTDATED OR CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. AND SO TAKING ALL OF THE REFERENCES TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT AND PUTTING THAT INTO A COMPREHENSIVE FEE SCHEDULE THAT CAN BE REASSESSED EVERY YEAR WITH THE CITY COUNCIL DOES THEIR BUDGET. AND SO MAKING THAT A LOT MORE FLEXIBLE AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PRICES ARE TRANSPARENT AND NOT HIDDEN WITHIN THE CODE, BUT TO ABLE TO BE ASSESSED ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THE NEXT KEY ITEM AND THOSE TWO THINGS KIND OF WORK HAND IN HAND. BUT THE NEXT KEY ITEM WAS REGARDING CODE USABILITY. SO THE OTHER MAJOR PORTION OF FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IS THE CODE IS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO USE. AND THERE WERE AREAS OF THE CODE THAT CONFLICTED WITH EACH OTHER, WHICH MADE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE VERY DIFFICULT FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE. AND SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE BULLET POINTS AS WELL. SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REVISE THE CONTENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR COMPLIANCE

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SO THERE THERE IS A PLACE FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. THE CODE IS MEANT TO BE A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY. IT'S YOU SHALL DO X, Y AND Z. AND THEN THE MORE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS, THE THE RECOMMENDATION DOCUMENTS CAN COME MORE IN GUIDES AND ASSISTIVE HANDOUTS, INFORMATIONAL DOCUMENTS. BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE CODE, THAT'S THE LAW. AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO DO X, Y AND Z. IT SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR, STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TRANSPARENT.

NUMBER THREE IDENTIFY AND ILLUSTRATE THE APPLICABILITY OF REGIONAL ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS, SUCH AS THE HIGHLAND LAKES WATERSHED ORDINANCE THROUGH GRAPHICS, FLOWCHARTS, CROSS-REFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THE UDC. SO ESSENTIALLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL REGULATORY DOCUMENTS THAT GOVERN PROPERTY WITHIN LAGO VISTA. THE HIGHLAND LAKES WATERSHED ORDINANCE WAS ONE THAT CAME UP QUITE A BIT IN OUR DISCUSSION, AND JUST IN OUR EXPERIENCE IN NAVIGATING LAGO VISTA DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR WHEN THAT APPLIES AND WHEN IT DOESN'T, AND WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE, IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND ALSO JUST FLOWCHARTS, GRAPHICS, CROSS-REFERENCES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'M A I'M A VISUAL PERSON AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE. AND SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION PUT INTO THE CODE AND DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN ABSORB IT AND USE IT EASILY, IS REALLY ONE OF OUR KEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT LEADS INTO THE NEXT ONE. CREATE TABLES AND GRAPHICS TO MAKE THE REGULATIONS MORE IMAGE BASED. IT JUST MAKES THEM MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE END USER.

AGAIN, RELOCATING SPECIFIC FEES AND SEPARATE FEES INTO A FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH CAN BE UPDATED ADMINISTRATIVELY. WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT ALREADY AND THEN CREATING TEXT, TEXTUAL, TEXTURAL, BUT TEXTUAL CROSS-REFERENCES AND HYPERLINKED CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE RELATED SECTIONS OF THE UDC ESSENTIALLY MAKE THE UDC FUNCTION WELL WHEN YOU'RE ONLINE, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ACCESSING YOUR CODE NOWADAYS IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR A PAPER COPY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON MUNICODE OR GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT. AND SO MAKING THAT FUNCTION REALLY WELL, SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING UP, LET'S SAY THE SIGN REGULATIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND IT MAKES A REFERENCE TO A ZONING SECTION THAT THEY CAN CLICK ON THAT AND IT'LL GO TO THE RIGHT PLACE. I KNOW THAT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, VERY BASIC RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE TO A USER WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT. SO AT THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO EVAN.

EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU LAURA. SO OUR THIRD KEY ISSUES RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE ZONING UPDATES GENERALLY. NOW THE INSPIRATION FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME FROM THE EXISTING COMP PLAN AS WELL AS THE DRAFT COMP PLAN, WHICH WE'VE HEARD THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN LOOKING AT THE COMP PLANS IDEAS WAS WHAT ARE SOME BEST PRACTICES THAT WE'VE SEEN WORK IN OTHER CITIES. SO THE DRAFT COMP PLAN POINTS TOWARDS A MORE FORM BASED CODE, WHICH IS INSTEAD OF USE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE AT JUST HOW A BUILDING LOOKS AND HOW IT SITS ON THE LOT. SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN MOST SUCCESSFUL WITH FORM BASED STRATEGIES IS KIND OF BLENDING THEM WITH CONVENTIONAL ZONING, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE ARE. SO INTRODUCING THINGS LIKE POINTS BASED SYSTEMS. SO IDENTIFYING IDEAL THINGS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN NEW DEVELOPMENT, CREATING A LIST OF THAT AND THEN REQUIRING A MINIMUM NUMBER OF THOSE FEATURES IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU CAN TIE THAT IN WITH INCENTIVES TO OFFER THINGS TO ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERED PARKING FORGIVENESS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF MORE OF THOSE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN EACH DEVELOPMENT. SO IT GIVES A WAY TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR APPLICANTS AND ALSO ENSURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING HIGH QUALITY PARKING. SO COROLLARY TO THAT, WE CAN ALSO CREATE OR

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ARE THEY GOING TO LISTEN TO THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL, OR IS IT JUST FOR THE FROM HERE IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL. AND THEN ANYONE, ANY MEMBER OF ANY BODY CAN LISTEN TO THEIR PRESENTATION AND COUNCIL. BUT WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL IT WILL BE AFTER THE JANUARY 20TH FULL REPORT IS ISSUED. OKAY. SO THIS IS THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY. AND THEN IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN THEY'LL THEY'LL DECIDE WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. OKAY. I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THESE BEING IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 30 YEARS, IT SEEMS THAT I WAS NEVER ABLE TO FIND IMPACT FEES EVER IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN ANY CITY. EVER WORKED IN YOUR FEE SCHEDULE WILL HAVE PERMIT FEES, I ASSUME. EITHER FEES, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF WILL ALSO HAVE IMPACT FEES WILL BE THERE ROADWAY OR SEWER OR WHATEVER IT IS. EVERYTHING WILL BE IN ONE PLACE. IS THAT THE INTENT? TYPICALLY THOSE THINGS ARE ALL ADOPTED SEPARATELY. THE IDEAL FOR A COMPREHENSIVE FEE SCHEDULE IS THAT IT COLLECTS ALL THE INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE, AND THE REASON THAT WE RECOMMEND IT TO BE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT IS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN AMEND WHEN THE DIFFERENT CYCLES OF THINGS APPLY, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE WHOLE COUNTRY. YEAH. I WAS CURIOUS. IS THIS

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SO EVAN AND I ARE BOTH FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR. WE WORKED FOR CITIES IN THE PAST. SEVERAL OF OUR OTHER GROUP MEMBERS HAVE ALSO DONE THE SAME. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. AND WE'RE PROVIDING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS PLANNERS, BUT ALSO AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED CODES BEFORE. JUST OUR BEST RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS Y'ALL'S CODE. AND SO THAT'S WHY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS KEY ISSUE SUMMARY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GATHERING Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK SO THAT THAT FINAL REPORT THAT AIRED WAS MENTIONING THAT THAT WILL CONTAIN A BREADTH OF WHAT FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN, WHICH INCLUDES YOURS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I KNOW I THINK PART OF THE IMPETUS IS OUR CURRENT CODE HAS LOTS OF PLACES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT AND MAY HAVE CONFLICTS, AND SO SOME OF THE PROPOSALS WILL HELP IRON THAT OUT. WE ALSO PROPOSE A PROCESS TO KEEP THAT FROM COMING BACK TO US AND REOCCURRING IN THE FUTURE, AS MORE CODE CHANGES ARE MADE AND NEW ORDINANCE ARE PASSED. YEAH. SO NATURALLY, AS STATE LAW CHANGES, AS YOU KNOW, THE BEST PRACTICES AND STRATEGIES EVOLVE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE UPDATES NEEDED TO THE CODE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS RECOMMEND THINGS THAT ARE LOOKING FORWARD. STRATEGIES USED BY OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE FOUND SUCCESS WITH THINGS LIKE IMPLEMENTING THE FORM BASED CODE AND TRYING TO SET YOU UP SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK DOWN THE ROAD FOR DEVELOPMENTS, GO OKAY.

I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY NO PERFECT ANSWER, BUT I CAN, I CAN I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AND I'LL SAY THE SIX LETTER WORD IN AUSTIN. THEY ARE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IMPLEMENTING NEW CODE AND THEY ACTUALLY ADDED A NEW CHAPTER TO THEIR CODE JUST FOR WILDLIFE WILDFIRE.

BUT WITH THAT, THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR EXISTING BUILDING STANDARDS AND ALSO WITH THEIR OTHER EXISTING FIRE CODE, AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS ENACTED THEN WAS CHANGED IN ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PLACES TO TO KEEP EVERYTHING CONSISTENT. AND SO THAT'S ONE THING, I GUESS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, IS WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS FOLLOWED SO THAT WE MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY GOING FORWARD. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN INCLUDE WITH YOUR EFFORTS, THEN AS A RECOMMENDATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YES, SIR. I DO HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT IN CODE USABILITY. YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE NON-REGULATORY IN GENERAL AND RECOMMENDED PROVISIONS, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT POINT OF VIEW. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THOSE THINGS ARE OFTEN I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY KIND OF SPEAK TO OUR VISION OF HOW WE WANT LAGO VISTA TO LOOK, NOT JUST NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE. AND NOW, WITH AS THOSE BEING RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THEY'LL BE FOLLOWED. BUT I DO THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE RETAINED IN SOME WAY. PERHAPS THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE THE WAY THEY ARE. BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD STILL BE COMMUNICATING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS AND ANYONE ELSE THEY PERTAIN TO. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR LANDSCAPING CODE RECOMMENDS USING NATIVE LAND COVER, NATIVE GRASSES FOR LAWNS, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, SUCH AS. BUFFALO GRASS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO IT, PROBABLY VERY FEW DEVELOPERS, BUT I DO THINK WE STILL NEED TO COMMUNICATE THE INTENTION OF WHAT WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANY OTHER NOTES. MY COMPUTER WENT TO SLEEP HERE. LET'S SEE WITH THE THE FEES FOR FEE IN LIEU OF PARKLAND AND

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AND WHEN Y'ALL GET TO THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING SOMEONE OR DOING IN-HOUSE THE CONVERSION TO A UDC, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION IN SAYING WHAT GOES INTO THAT ISSUES SOME ELEMENTS OUT, BUT TYPICALLY PROCEDURES, ZONING, AND SUBDIVISIONS ARE THE CORE THINGS THAT GO INTO THOSE. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CAUGHT MY EAR, YOU MADE A REMARK ABOUT SOMETHING. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO MISQUOTE YOU.

I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO QUOTE YOU, BUT ABOUT CLARIFYING THE KINDS OF BUILDINGS THAT CAN GO ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT CAUGHT MY EAR BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME STUFF, SOME ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE WHERE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY TURNING SOME SINGLE FAMILY LOTS INTO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO BE BUILT IN THOSE LOTS. THAT WAS TO ILLUSTRATE ABOUT THE FORM BASED STANDARDS. MAYBE IF I CAN PROVIDE A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE. SURE. IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU IN A REGULAR USE BASED ZONING SCHEME, YOU MAY SAY THESE FOUR TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED HERE IN A FORM BASED SCHEME. YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN HAVE A TYPE WHERE THE BUILDING IS UP ON THE ROAD AND THE PARKING IS BEHIND IT. YOU CAN HAVE A TYPE THAT'S STRUCTURED LIKE A STRIP MALL.

YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING TYPE WITH A COURTYARD, AND IT'S BASICALLY MORE ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT. OKAY, BECAUSE YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID MOTHER IN LAW QUARTERS LIKE A SEPARATE LITTLE UNIT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE SEPARATE LITTLE UNITS? I GUESS THAT WOULD STILL BE GOVERNED BY THE CODE. BUT LIKE I SAID THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE I'M NOT SURE I LIKE WHERE THAT'S GOING. OKAY. WE CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AS WELL. AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OR CITIES THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH, HAVE YOU DEALT WITH HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS LIKE WE HAVE HERE IN LAGO VISTA? BECAUSE I MEAN, HERE THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE. STRICT. YOU KNOW, WE I THINK THE HIGHEST POINT FOR RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW, IT'S 19, 18 OR 19FT. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HIGHEST POINT. HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED INTO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES, OR ARE YOU MORE INTO THE PROCESS OF. THIS IS MORE THE GENERAL HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW? OKAY. LOOKING INTO AND CALIBRATING THE THINGS LIKE HEIGHTS, YOUR SETBACKS FOR THE DIFFERENT ZONES, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE CAN GET A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THAT. OKAY. PROBABLY OUR RECOMMENDATION JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WOULD BE ALIGN WITH WHAT YOUR COMP PLAN SAYS. IF YOU LIKE THAT, OR LOOK FURTHER INTO IT AND KIND OF CUSTOMIZE IT. Y'ALL AREN'T CHANGING ANY ZONING ORDINANCES. YOU'RE JUST REORGANIZING WHAT WE HAVE. SO IF IT'S 18FT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT. NO, BUT BUT THEY'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BUT IT'S OKAY. NO, NO NO YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOU MIGHT SAY YOU WE RECOMMEND YOU LOOK AT THE HEIGHTS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY SPECIFICALLY OKAY. BUT YOU ARE.

WE WOULD BE CHANGING OUR ZONING CATEGORIES. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO YOU.

IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING CATEGORIES, WE WOULD JUST BE REDEFINING THE WAY THAT WE DEFINE THE EXISTING ONES. YOU COULD ADOPT THE STANDARDS IN THE EXISTING DISTRICTS. YES, SIR. MISS LINDA, TO ME, TO MEET THE FORM FACTOR I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF I MAY, THE REPORT ITSELF IS ESSENTIALLY A PLACE FOR US TO SAY THIS IS OUR GROUND ZERO.

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AND SO IT'S FIGURING OUT WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHAT THE CITY ACTUALLY NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE AND FEEL LIKE. AND SO THE PROPOSAL FOR THESE ZONING REVISIONS TO THE FORM BASED, DOES THAT ALSO SPEAK INTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM? TO AN EXTENT? OKAY. PERFECT. SO I WILL MOVE ON TO THE DETAILS OF THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS. SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE STAKEHOLDER INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE OUR DESTINATION WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO GO. AND THIS DIAGNOSTIC, WE WANT TO COLLECT UP ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND BASICALLY PROVIDE YOU A MAP THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S ALL THE DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT WE COULD TAKE IN THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IS A FULL DRAFT OF THIS DIAGNOSTIC. AND THIS THIS MEETING HERE IS SORT OF OUR FINAL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. CHECK IN ON THESE KEY ISSUES BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE CHAPTERS ONE BY ONE. SO WE HAVE OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR PLANNERS ALL WORKING ON GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN AREAS IN THE CODE AND MAKING COMMENTS. SO THE NEXT STEPS SECTION THAT SECOND BULLET TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED STEPS THAT WE MAKE LOOKS LIKE. SO WHAT WOULD IMPLEMENTING A UDC CODE OR ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL LOOK LIKE? IF YOU FOLLOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? AND THEN THE THIRD POINT IN THAT OUTLINE IS THE RECOMMENDED CODE OUTLINE. SO SAYING ONE POTENTIAL WAY OR ONE LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE IN A UDC AND SHOW HOW YOU COULD ADAPT THE CURRENT CODE TO FIT INTO THAT. SO I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN HERE AND SHOW OUR PROJECT SCHEDULE RIGHT HERE. SO LIKE MR. CHAIR MENTIONED, WE'LL BE TURNING INTO DRAFT REPORT VERY, VERY SOON IN FEBRUARY, THE CITY COUNCIL MAKING A PRESENTATION OF ALL OF THE DETAILED RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AT 806. AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON IT, AND THAT IS MR. ROBERTS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. WE CONTRACTED WITH YOU TO PERFORM A CODE DIAGNOSTIC SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK FOR CONFLICTS IN THE CODE CONTRADICTIONS AND STUFF. IT SOUNDS THOUGH, HOWEVER, LIKE. AND I'M PRESUMING THIS IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE

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REORGANIZATION. I THINK A UDC IS A GREAT IDEA HAVING THE HYPERLINKS IN GREAT IDEA, BY THE WAY, MY WAS GIVING ME HIS THREE MINUTES, BY THE WAY. HEY, WHAT? MIKE WAS GIVING ME HIS THREE MINUTES. I GUESS I CAN GO ALONG. THE ENGINEERING. YOU RECOMMEND BREAKING THE CODE INTO A UDC, ENGINEERING THE ECM AND THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION MANUAL. MOVING FEES TO SEPARATE SHEETS. GREAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT IT CAN ALSO CREATE A COMMON PITFALL, WHICH IS. BIG AND MOVING FEES TO SEPARATE SHEETS. SUBSTANTIVE STANDARDS CHANGES GET BUNDLED INTO A REORG AND CAN BECOME HARDER FOR THE PUBLIC TO NOTICE AND TRACK. ONE THING ABOUT LAGO VISTA IN OUR COMMISSIONS AND OUR COUNCIL IS WE REALLY DO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND THE CITIZENRY AND WHAT THEY WANT, AND THE CITY IS VERY IT BEING SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY WATER, WITH A POPULATION RIGHT NOW OF 13,000 PEOPLE, ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, WE CAN'T GROW INDEFINITELY LIKE THEY CAN IN ODESSA, OR LIKE THEY CAN IN ELGIN OR MAYNARD. SO WE HAVE GEOGRAPHIC AND TOPICAL LIMITATIONS THAT PLAY INTO HOW WE DEVELOP. YOU CAN'T PUT HIGH DENSITY ON THE SIDE OF A HILL. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. THE CUT AND FILL EVERYTHING IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. AND SO BY NECESSITY, YOU CAN'T REPLICATE ON THE EAST SIDE OF LOWMAN FORD WHAT THE WEST SIDE OF LOWMAN FORD LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN HAVE LOWMAN FORD EIGHT LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.

IT'S STILL TERMINATES UP AT 1431. WE CARE ABOUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE OUT HERE. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. SO WHEN WE SEE YOU TALK ABOUT POLICY DIRECTION EMBEDDED IN BEST PRACTICES, SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT JUST HOUSEKEEPING. THEY'RE POLICY CHOICES, A SHIFT TO A MORE FORM BASED APPROACH. YOU YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT ENABLING, QUOTE, MISSING MIDDLE ADUS, INFILL TYPES. THAT'S ALL ABOUT INCREASING HIGHER DENSITY. I MENTIONED IN ONE OF OUR PRIOR AGENDA ITEMS THAT OUR CURRENT WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE OUR CURRENTLY ENTITLED PROPERTY OWNERS. NOTHING BEYOND THAT, NOT FROM THE ETJ AND NOT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY JUDICIOUS WITH THESE LAWS AND WITH THE INCREASED DENSITY. WHERE CAN WE GET IT FROM? WHAT ABOUT THE DORMANT PDS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING OUT THERE FOR TEN AND LITERALLY 20 YEARS WITH 1500, 500, 300? THERE'S A PENDING AGENDA ITEM THAT'S BEEN HERE BEFORE PNC SINCE MAY OR JUNE TO LOOK AT THAT AND COME UP WITH A PROCESS FOR DISCERNING BASED ON THE, THE ON A BASIC LEGAL CRITERIA. WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO INITIATE A CITY INITIATED ZONING APPLICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THE POINT BASED, POINTS BASED INCENTIVES FOR DESIGN FEATURES IN EXCHANGE FOR INCREASED DENSITY COVERAGE. THOSE GENERALLY DON'T FIT IN LAGO VISTA. THE PREFERENCES FROM THE CITIZENS HERE, THEY SHOULD BE TREATED AS POLICY FORMS THAT REQUIRE EXPLICIT ELECTED DIRECTION AND PUBLIC BUY IN, NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENS BECAUSE IT'S MODERN. WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE PORTLAND, WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE MANOR.

AND WHEN WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. WHEN IT'S A TALK ABOUT NICE RESTAURANTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT JUST DISPOSABLE INCOME AND DISCRETION, NOT JUST DISCRETIONARY INCOME, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME. THE AVERAGE MEDIAN, THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY, HAS ONLY $600 A MONTH IN DISPOSABLE INCOME. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO A NICE RESTAURANT. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU DO HAVE HIGHER INCOME EARNERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO CAN HELP SUSTAIN NEGATIVE CASH FLOW. WHEN THAT BUSINESS IS RAMPING UP, THAT WILL DO A PROPER FEASIBILITY STUDY, FISCAL ANALYSIS. AND IN DOING SO, YOU BRING IN ANYWAY I CAN GO ON FOR HOURS ON THAT PARKING, MINIMUM ELIMINATION, BIG DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS. THERE'S A IT'S PROPOSED TO ELIMINATE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND RELY MORE ON SHARING CROSS CONNECTION SCREENING. THIS CAN WORK IN SOME ENVIRONMENTS, BUT IN AUTO DEPENDENT COMMUNITIES LIKE LAGO VISTA, IT CAN ALSO PUSH PARKING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND ONTO STREETS AND BECOME A

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WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE ASKED FOR AT LEAST A 30 DAY LEAD WAY BEFORE A JOINT WORKSHOP TO GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO REVIEW IT, BUT IT MAY BE CLOSER TO 45 DEPENDING ON WHEN EVERYTHING FALLS. I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO TO GET, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATED QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CALL FOR A JOINT WORKSHOP THAT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY. I KNOW THERE'S BOARDS THAT ARE GOING TO ATTEND THAT, INCLUDING PARKS AND AIRPORT, AND THERE'S SOME INTEREST THERE. AND AT THAT POINT THERE WILL BE FURTHER DISCUSSION, AND I HOPE, A GAME PLAN FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. YOU MENTIONED THE PART OF THE PROCESS, AND THE CONTRACT IS TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS. I HEARD ENGINEERS AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR A REFERENCE TO ANY CITIZENS. MR. ROBERTS, YOU'RE WAY PAST YOUR SIX MINUTES AND I WANT WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE FOR JORDAN TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL, WITH THE COMMISSION, THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD TWO NIGHTS AGO, WHICH IS KIND OF THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION.

QUESTIONS. YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING INVOLVED. SO IF I MAY AND MR. CHAIR, LET ME DO A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY AND THEN JORDAN CORRECT. OR ADD TO YOU KNOW IF I. YEAH. WELL TWO, TWO DAYS AGO WE HAD A COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THIS. AND TO ME IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S CONFUSION IN THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M HEARING OF, YOU KNOW, THE POINT OF THIS ANALYSIS WAS TO ANALYZE WHAT WE HAVE, NOT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT NEW THINGS ARE NOW STRUCTURAL ORGANIZATION. THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE. BUT BUT WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WE WANT TO SEE COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE THE WHOLE THING JUST AS CITIZENS DO. RIGHT. AND YOU ALL WERE ANXIOUSLY LOOKING FOR THAT.

WE DO HAVE A PLAN. AS JORDAN JUST ALLUDED TO, THERE WILL BE A JOINT WORKING SESSION OF COUNCIL ON PLANNING AND ZONING. OTHER BOARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL ASKED LAST NIGHT WAS BY CONSENSUS, WAS FOR STAFF TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR MAYBE SOME WORK GROUPS SO THAT

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YOU CAN WEIGHT THEM DIFFERENTLY IF YOU FIND LANDSCAPING MORE IMPORTANT. IF YOU FIND LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT LIKE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, MORE IMPORTANT, YOU CAN WEIGHT THAT TO GIVE MORE POINTS. BUT BASICALLY IT JUST SETS A MINIMUM STANDARD. OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THE WAYS TO GAIN POINTS. WHAT ARE THE POINTS USED FOR. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF. OH MAN, I GOT 100 POINTS ON THIS PROJECT. AM I GOING TO GET X NUMBER OF DOLLARS OFF OF MY ASSESSMENT FEES? WHAT'S WHERE ARE THESE. WHAT'S WITH THE POINTS? YOU COULD TIE IT TO INCENTIVES LIKE MORE DENSITY OR. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

TIE IT TO MORE DENSITY. AND THAT KIND OF FRIGHTENS ME JUST TO GET HIGH QUALITY DESIGN.

YEAH. WELL, MORE DENSITY IS, I THINK, WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE, YEAH, YOU GET MORE POINTS IF YOU SLAP SIX PEOPLE INTO THIS ONE PERSON LOT. RIGHT? AND IT MAY NOT BE DENSITY BASED INCENTIVES. IT CAN BE EVERYTHING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. IT CAN BE. WE HELP WITH SIGNAGE OR, YOU KNOW, WE ALLOW FOR CERTAIN. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DENSITY. IT'S JUST SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT AS A CITY AS A WHOLE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE IN RETURN FOR YOU GOING ABOVE AND

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OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THE ON THE WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? CAN YOU HELP ME RECOMMEND A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY ESTABLISH A SUBCOMMITTEE AT THEIR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT THE NEXT STEPS TO BE HANDLED? CAN I JUST OR SOME OTHER MOTION THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PRESENT? OH, NO. I THINK THAT MOTION IS PRETTY GOOD UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER MOTION. SO I RECOMMEND I MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE THIS, HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL. RECOMMEND A SUBCOMMITTEE. HEY, IT'S MY FIRST MEETING AND MY JARGON IS NOT WAIT. AND I'LL START TALKING LIKE LIKE A CITY FOLK HERE. YEAH. SO ANYWAYS, I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SUB SUB SUBCOMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON HOW THEY WANT THE NEXT STEPS TO AND HOW THEY WANT THE NEXT STEP TO BE. GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD HAVE BEEN UPSET. THERE WAS NOT A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IF I MAY, WHO? SECONDED. NELSON. NELSON? DAVE, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED IF YOU WERE VOTING? OH, YOU ARE I. EVEN VOTED TO ADJOURN. OKAY. AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL AGENDA ITEM FOR THE EVENING.

[VIII.2. Discussion and Clarification on the Future Land Use Map Land Use Categories]

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MY GENERAL FEEDBACK OR GENERAL GUIDANCE AS A PLANNER AND AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC, IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE COMPLICATED. THE MORE COMPLICATED YOU MAKE IT, THE MORE DISTRICTS YOU ADD. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY MOVING TO ZONING. AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE PROTECTIONS AS IT DOES GUIDE OUR ZONING DECISIONS, BUT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE 20 CATEGORIES WITH SUBCATEGORIES.

AND IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS CONCERNS, COMMENTS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND TRY TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY. WE'RE HERE TO TO HELP TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SHOULD WE DIRECT QUESTIONS TO YOU NOW OR TAKE THE COMMENTS FROM THE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO, TWO PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE FLUME. AND THEN WE WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS TO YOU DURING OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:30 P.M. AND MR. ROBERTS, YOU WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS? YES, PLEASE. JORDAN IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. OKAY.

I'VE SEEN SEVERAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGERS COME THROUGH HERE. SHE'S GOOD. BEFORE YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS, TALK TO HER, REACH OUT TO HER, GO THROUGH THE PACKET, 2 OR 3 OF YOU WITHOUT CREATING A VISIT ABOUT IT. TALK ABOUT IT. ORGANIZE YOUR THOUGHTS. COME UP WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. MEET WITH HER. I GUARANTEE YOU SHE'LL MEET WITH YOU. PLEASE DO. THE WORK PRODUCT SHE PUT IN HERE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY CAPTURED THE RIGHT IDEA. SHE'S TRYING TO GIVE SOMETHING AND WHEN YOU READ THEM, WHAT YOU SEE IS VERY DESCRIPTIVE. WHAT I HANDED Y'ALL BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED WAS A COPY OF WHAT A PNC SUBCOMMITTEE HAD CREATED FOR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMP PLAN. ON PAGE TWO OF THAT, I CIRCLED WITH A YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER AND I GAVE YOU GUYS A COPY AS WELL. WHAT THIS WHAT? A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE PNC HAD, WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ON THE VERY ON THIS VERY TOPIC TONIGHT BEFORE YOU, WHICH IS LAND USE. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE LAND USE CATEGORIES OR DESIGNATIONS WITHIN THE ONE ELEMENT THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IN THE PACKET IS WHAT IS THE DENSITY LOOK LIKE FOR EACH OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WHAT I DID IS I PLUGGED INTO CHATGPT, I TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAME UP WITH, AND THEN I TOOK JORDAN'S DESCRIPTIONS, LAND USE DESCRIPTIONS. SHE HAD SEVEN, THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAD SIX. AND THEN I SIMPLY SAID, HEY, CAN YOU MAKE THESE MERGE? WHAT KIND OF A FIND A FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND, THE HARMONY ET-CETERA. AND THAT OUTPUT IS WHAT I PRINTED OUT AND SHARED WITH EACH OF YOU. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. SO HOW DO YOU MARRY THOSE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT JORDAN CAME UP WITH? WITH THE DENSITY DESIGNATIONS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAME UP WITH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL FIND IN THERE THAT IN THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, YOU KNOW I'M VERY MUCH ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE ALONG WITH THIS. THAT MEANS I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG, AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IS. I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? JIM AND I, WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER. THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN FIVE ACRES. THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS BRINGING THAT DOWN TO THREE

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BECAUSE REMEMBER, THOSE DESIGNATE THE ACTUAL ZONING AND EVERYTHING. IT'S A PD, SO IT'S A PD ZONING. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT THE PAPERS ARE IN FRONT OF ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MR. KING, YOU ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK ON BOOM. AMICABLE TO IT. IT WAS REALLY WANTED TO COMMENT AS THINGS CAME UP IF IT BECAME RELEVANT. BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF THE CONTENT WILL ACTUALLY BE HERE YET, SINCE IT'S NOT A DEFINITIVE FLUME. SO. RIGHT. THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE A DISCUSSION OF THE CATEGORY. I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MORE TO ADD. OKAY, SO GIVEN THAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO UNDERSTAND THE THESE CATEGORIES AND BE CLEAR ON WHAT THEY REPRESENT, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ASK JORDAN ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON WHAT WHAT WHAT IS IN THE PACKET? I HAVE A COMMENT OKAY. I WAS ALREADY GOING TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE PAUL BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I THINK THAT THE DENSITY REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THESE SEVEN CATEGORIES. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. ANYWAY. PARTICULARLY FOR GIVING POINTS. CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A REAL QUICK. OKAY. HE WASN'T YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN I PASSED THESE OUT. THIS IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO OKAY. IF YOU EMAIL ME AND IF I MAY, WE WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE DENSITY TONIGHT.

WELL, I KNOW THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IT OUGHT TO BE PART OF THIS. IT WILL BE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ME AS THE DIRECTOR THAT'S REWRITING THIS, IT'S ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THE CATEGORIES THEMSELVES AND THE INTENT OF THOSE DISTRICTS. AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SEVEN AND THE INTENT OF THOSE, WE CAN GO THROUGH WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB AND ENSURE THAT ALL THE APPROPRIATE USES ARE CORRECT, AND THEN FIND SOME WAY TO MARRY UP THE DENSITIES AND BRING THOSE BACK FOR ESSENTIALLY APPROVAL TO AN EXTENT. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CATEGORIES DONE TO START THE MAPPING. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A STANDSTILL ON THIS SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT. WELL, I GET ALL THAT. MY BIG POINT IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OPEN THE BACK DOOR FOR SOMEBODY TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS IT PROPERLY IN THIS. ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS IS THIS IS A COMMENT. FIRST, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS TO TO GET THESE CATEGORIES RIGHT. THIS IS LIKE VERY CRITICAL. IT'S VERY CRITICAL COMPONENT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO THIS YEAR. AND I WANTED TO TO KNOW IF YOU FEEL LIKE SINCE YOU WERE JUST APPOINTED AND JUST GOT THE PACKET, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST THIS, ANALYZE IT, THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE. BEFORE GIVING FEEDBACK TO STAFF. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER IS THAT SINCE WE DID NOT HOLD THE TURN BACK HEARING TONIGHT, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON THAT BEFORE THE NEXT SCHEDULED FEBRUARY MEETING, WHICH MEANS WE PROBABLY HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO DISCUSS TURN BACK IN TWO WEEKS. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TIME IN TWO WEEKS? YOU KNOW, IT'S A DELAY OF TWO WEEKS. BUT I MEAN, WE WANT TO GET WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FEELS REALLY SOLID AND COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. I'D LIKE TO LOOK IT OVER A LITTLE MORE AND MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE LIKE I SAY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. FUTURE PLAN. YES. WE JUST JUST GOT THIS THAT WE HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK IT OVER INTENTLY. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO WAIT AND DISCUSS IT LIKE IN TWO WEEKS? SO THIS DOCUMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS PREPARED BY JORDAN YOURSELF. SHE HAS A SEASONED VETERAN OF ONE YEAR. I WOULD

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AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE SO FAR. I MIGHT HAVE MORE. I GUESS WE CAN WAIT. I HOPE YOU DO, BECAUSE IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. IT'S THE PURPOSE OF TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. OF COURSE YOU HAD MORE TIME. YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING, BUT SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE? BEFORE WE FINISH WITH THIS TONIGHT? NO. I WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS. AND I ACTUALLY PLAN TO ANYWAY IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO, JUST TO CHAT WITH HER HIGH LEVEL ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AND JUST GET THE OVERALL FEELING FOR IT. I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED. SO. SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE JORDAN THAT WE THAT WE CAN TALK TO ABOUT THIS, BUT LET'S ALSO REMEMBER WE'VE GOT THE PNC DISCUSSION BOARD. SO YOU KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN BE SHARING SOME IDEAS ON. SO AND WHEN WOULD WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE. THE THE BOARD. THE AS SOON AS YOU GET YOUR CITY EMAIL ADDRESS. AND SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS CONTACT STAN HESTON WHO IS THE IT PERSON. AND HE ASSIGNS HE ASSIGNS THE CITY, THE CITY EMAIL ADDRESS. AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THAT EMAIL ADDRESS, YOU CAN LOG IN TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF IT WITHIN THIS MORNING IS CHARLES DO THIS. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A STAFF LIAISON HERE. AND MY HOST IS KIND OF WHISPERING TO HER, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HER TO TAKE THE ACTION AND FIGURE OUT WHO IN THE CITY DOES IT, BUT FOR HER TO TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE GETS THEIR ACCESS TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND THAT YOU SHOULDN'T INDIVIDUALLY HAVE TO GO CHASE PEOPLE DOWN. RIGHT? OH, OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY ON THAT NOTE, STAN IS WORKING ON GETTING EVERYBODY ACCESS TO THE DISCUSSION BOARDS.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND I AM NOT IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THIS COMPLETELY WRONG AND DON'T REPEAT IT BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT YOU LIKE YOU'RE CRAZY.

ESSENTIALLY, THE DISCUSSION BOARDS HAVE A MAP OF WHO CAN CAN TALK ON WHAT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS AND HOW TO, TO, TO MANAGE THE BACKSIDE OF IT. AND I GUESS IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAN OR EFFICIENT PER USUAL. AND SO HE'S WORKING ON IT. I CAN CHECK IN WITH HIM TOMORROW. I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION, I WANT TO SAY AT LIKE 5:00 TODAY ON MY WAY OVER HERE. SO IT'S IN THE WORKS. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN, AS A GUY WHO HAD COMPUTERS AS A CAREER. SO I'LL JUST SAY THIS EVERY BOARD, THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD HAVE ACCESS TO WRITE OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE BOARD, AS WELL AS THE STAFF LIAISON SHOULD HAVE THAT SAME ACCESS, AND THE COUNCIL LIAISON SHOULD HAVE THAT SAME ACCESS. SO ANYBODY IN THE WORLD WILL BE ABLE TO READ THINGS THAT YOU POST. BUT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN POST ON YOUR DISCUSSION BOARD IS YOU SEVEN PLUS PLUS, PRESUMABLY JORDAN AND MYSELF AND MAYBE MR. WEST AS WELL. WELL, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU READ YOUR MESSAGES BECAUSE YOU'D BE. YEAH. AND I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHAT THE

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OKAY. OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION? SO WITH THESE THESE. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM. THEY'RE NOT LAND USE CATEGORIES. THE LAND USE PLACE TYPES. RIGHT. WOULD OUR EXISTING OR PERHAPS MODIFIED ZONING CODES THEN MAP TO MAYBE MORE THAN ONE OF THESE PLACE TYPES. SO THE INTENT WHEN WE GET THESE SHORED UP THERE SHOULD BE A SECOND PAGE THAT SAYS WHAT ZONINGS WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IN THAT DISTRICT, WITH ESSENTIALLY CAVEATS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MINDING YOUR P'S AND Q'S, BUT WITH THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC AND THE CODE REWRITE, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINE TUNE AND MAKE IT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT ON BOTH SIDES. BOTH THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THE POTENTIAL ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD BE UPDATING WITH THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT AND THE REWRITE THERE WITHIN. AND SO MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO THEIR COMP PLAN AND THEIR CODE AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY SHOULD BE PERFECTLY ALIGNED AND FANTASTIC DOCUMENTS THAT SERVE US FOR THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS WITH REGULAR UPDATES. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET TO AS WE START GEARING UP FOR ALL OF THE STUFF THAT COMES WITH THIS. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE CATEGORIES, WE HAVE TO HAVE VISION AND THE STARTING PLACE. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THOSE THOSE GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE, IT REALLY SHOULD BE SOLID IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE OUR CODE SHOULD REFERENCE BACK OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT SHOULD ALWAYS ALIGN AND BE WORKING IN LOCKSTEP. GREAT. THANKS. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW OUR FEEDBACK IS GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT IN OUR FEBRUARY MEETING. THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO DELAY EVERYTHING FOR A MONTH.

BASICALLY I'M NOT SAYING DELAY, BUT RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE DELAYED FOR A MONTH, RIGHT? TWO WEEKS OR WE'LL PROBABLY DELAY IT FOR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING FOR THE TURN BACK RANCH DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'LL PROBABLY JUST PIGGYBACK THIS ONTO THAT. AND THEN SO IT'S ONLY A TWO WEEK DELAY OKAY. OKAY. EXCEPT THAT YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND START PUTTING YOUR FEEDBACK INTO THE DISCUSSION BOARD. YEAH YEAH YEAH OKAY OKAY EVERYONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S BEEN A REALLY PRODUCTIVE, REALLY FRUITFUL AND LIVELY. LIVELY. YEAH. GOOD WORK. LIVELY. FIRST MEETING OF THIS NEW COMMISSION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE YOU DISMISS LYNETTE, YOU ALLUDED SEVERAL TIMES BUT DIDN'T FORMALLY SAY YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE, WOULD BE TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IN TWO WEEKS ON THURSDAY THE 22ND OF JANUARY. YES, SIR. AT THIS SAME 6:00 MEETING? YES, SIR. OH, BUT SINCE YOU MENTIONED 6:00. OKAY. THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST THROW IT OUT AND LET YOU ALL ANSWER ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD OR BY EMAIL TO THE LIAISON. IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN MOVING THE MEETING TO AN EARLIER START TIME? YES, YES. SO LIKE IF WE WERE GOING TO MOVE IT TO AN EARLIER START TIME, DOES 430 SOUND GOOD? I WAS GOING TO SAY 3 OR 4. I'D LIKE TO DO FOR FOUR, BUT HOW MANY WOULD LIKE FOUR? FOR ON? IT'S GOING TO BE ON THURSDAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THURSDAY, AND OUR REGULAR MEETING TIME IS THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. SO IT WOULD BE AT 4:00 THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. NO THAT'S FINE, 334. THAT'S FINE. WELL, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE CONVENIENT FOR US AND IT'D BE FINE FOR ME, BUT WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME IN AND TALK PUBLIC HEARINGS? THAT HAS THEIR THEY HAVE THEIR PUBLIC MEETING STARTING AT 4:00, AND THEY'VE HAD VERY PRETTY DECENT TURNOUT TURNOUT. IS AN EMPLOYEE IS AN EMPLOYEE I WOULD HAVE LOVED AT 4:00. YEAH, YEAH. INSTEAD OF WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE A FORMAL DECISION SINCE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. BUT IT'S VERY GOOD TO NOTE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR A 4:00 START TIME. YEAH, YOU CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT FOUR AND WE CAN CALL IN TWO WEEKS. GOOD POINT. WE CAN CALL THAT SPECIAL MEETING. IT'S RIGHT. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THE

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