Jan 14, 2026 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[ I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

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I THINK. OKAY. I'M GONNA. HELLO EVERYBODY. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL FIRST. CAN YOU START STEVE BECKER PRESENT DON NOW'S PRESENT.

CAROLYN DAGLESS. PRESENT. ANDREW GAYLE, PRESENT. I CORONAS PRESENT. MARK DOUGLAS, PRESENT. OKAY, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT SOME. WELL, WE'LL ASK YOUR COMMENTS YOUR WEEK, DAVID.

WELL I'M SORRY. YEAH. DAVID. YEAH. KAREN IS THE COUNCIL LIAISON, RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SOME

[II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

SORRY. POINT OF ORDER. IS THERE ANY TIME LIMIT ON CITIZEN COMMENTS LIKE COUNCIL DOES? I'VE ONLY GOT TWO AND I'VE GOT TWO WRITTEN ONES. I WAS JUST GOING TO LET THEM GO FOR IT.

JUST CURIOUS IF WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE WANTING TO TURN UP, I'M OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE TO CALL IT SHORT, SO I'M USUALLY THREE MINUTES. YEAH, I'M PREPARED TO TYPICALLY. YEAH.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I'LL READ OFF MY PREPARED SPEECH HERE, BUT MY NAME IS JILL AND I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF SOFTBALL FOR LAGO VISTA UNITED BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL. WE REPRESENT OVER 300 YOUTH AGES 3 TO 14, WHO REGISTER IN OUR LEAGUE EVERY YEAR. OUR LEAGUE IS A 500 1C3 NONPROFIT RUN ENTIRELY BY VOLUNTEERS. EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE RAISE GOES BACK INTO THE LEAGUE. I AM HERE TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO SUNSET PARK USAGE. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, A NEW RENTAL RATE OF $15 PER HOUR PER FIELD IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO THIS COMMITTEE. WE ANTICIPATE USING THE FIELD'S 186 DAYS THIS YEAR FOR THREE HOURS A DAY ON TWO FIELDS, PLUS A FEW EIGHT HOUR SATURDAYS. THE TOTAL COMES OUT TO ROUGHLY $18,000, AND THAT COVERS SPRING SEASON, ALL STARS AND FALL BALL FOR A VOLUNTEER RUN YOUTH LEAGUE. AN $18,000 INCREASE IS SIGNIFICANT. IN 2025, OUR LEAGUE OPERATED AT A $20,000 DEFICIT. WE STAYED AFLOAT ONLY BECAUSE WE HAD A SURPLUS OF $25,000 FROM PRIOR YEARS. RISING COSTS FOR JERSEYS, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES ALREADY FORCED US TO RAISE REGISTRATION FEES BY ABOUT $20 PER PLAYER THIS SEASON. CURRENTLY, WE CHARGE AN AVERAGE OF $188 PER PLAYER. ABSORBING THIS NEW COST WOULD REQUIRE RAISING FEES BY AN ADDITIONAL 50 TO $75 PER SEASON, AND THAT PUSHES BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL OUT OF REACH FOR MANY LAGO VISTA FAMILIES. I UNDERSTAND THAT FIELD MAINTENANCE HAS A COST, BUT RATHER THAN AN HOURLY RENTAL RATE, I'M PROPOSING AN AGREEMENT WHERE OUR LEAGUE HELPS MAINTAIN THE FIELDS AT SUNSET PARK, AS WE HAVE DONE WITH THE UPPER FIELD FOR 25 YEARS. THIS IS NOT A NEW IDEA.

I HAVE PERSONALLY RAISED THIS OPTION WITH PREVIOUS PARKS AND REC DIRECTORS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, BEFORE AN HOURLY FEE WAS EVEN DISCUSSED. WE CAN HANDLE DRAGGING, MOWING, AND OTHER UPKEEP USING VOLUNTEERS AND COMMUNITY SUPPORTED DEALS AND MATERIALS, REDUCING COSTS FOR THE CITY. AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY, NOT AGAINST. SO YOUTH SPORTS ARE AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND A SMALL TOWN LIKE OURS. KIDS HAVE FEW OTHER ORGANIZED ACTIVITIES, AND YOUTH SPORTS ARE OFTEN THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE ACTIVE, LEARN TEAMWORK, AND BUILD LASTING FRIENDSHIPS. THEY HELP CHILDREN GROW MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND EMOTIONALLY, AND THEY DEVELOP ATHLETES WHO MAY 1ST DAY PLAY AT OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL AND BEYOND. IT REALLY SADDENS ME TO SEE SURROUNDING CITIES MAKING MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS IN YOUTH SPORTS. WHILE OUR CITY IS PROPOSING AN $18,000 BILL FOR A LEAGUE THAT'S BARELY STAYING AFLOAT. WE AREN'T JUST A COST TO THE CITY, WE ARE AN ASSET. AND SPRING OF 2025 ALONE, WE BROUGHT IN MORE THAN 600 VISITING FAMILIES FROM SURROUNDING CITIES INTO LAGO VISTA, MANY OF WHOM SUPPORTED LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE HOPE THIS COMMITTEE WILL CONSIDER A SOLUTION THAT SUPPORTS OUR KIDS, OUR FAMILIES AND THE FUTURE OF SPORTS IN LAGO VISTA. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WOULD, CONSIDERING THE SUBJECT AND THE FACT THAT IN MY POSITION AS PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL LITTLE LEAGUE, I SHOULD IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH. YES. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

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PIECE FOR THE THE ATHLETIC WAS SORRY PIECE OF THE ATHLETIC PETITION FORM. I OPPOSE IMPOSING USE USAGE FEES ON OUR YOUTH ATHLETIC GROUPS AT OUR BALL FIELDS. WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION. PARTICIPATIONS AND FEES MIGHT IMPOSE. I CAN'T READ THAT SOMETHING BURDEN SEVERE OR NO PRESENCE. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT, WHICH IS MORE OF AN ESSAY, RIGHT TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN. I'M WRITING ON BEHALF OF THE U. BS LEAGUE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ON BEHALF OF THE KIDS AND FAMILIES WHO DEPEND ON IT. SO PARK IS A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, THE FIELDS HAVE NO LIGHTS, WHICH LIMITS THE USE AND USE TO DAYLIGHT HOURS ONLY. DESPITE THAT LIMITATION, THE PROPOSED HOURLY FEES PLACE A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN ON THE LEAGUE THAT ALREADY STRUGGLES TO COMPETE WITH SELECT TRAVEL AND TRAVEL PROGRAMS. OUR LEAGUE IS NOT A FOR PROFIT LEAGUE. FOR PROFIT LEAGUE. EVERY DOLLAR BROUGHT IN GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO THE KIDS, THE PROGRAM AND KEEPING THE REGISTRATION AFFORDABLE. IF THE FEES ARE IMPOSED, THE LEAGUE WILL LIKELY BE FORCED TO RAISE THE PLAYERS FEES. THIS MEANS FEWER KIDS PARTICIPATING, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THE COMMUNITY SPORTS AS AN AFFORDABLE OPTION. IT WILL ALSO MEAN CUTTING CORNERS, WHICH WILL HURT THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY. YOUTH SPORTS ARE MORE YOUTH SPORTS AND MORE THAN MORE THAN GAMES. THEY TEACH TEAMWORK, RESPONSIBILITY AND KEEP KIDS ACTIVE, ENGAGED AND CONNECTED TO THEIR COMMUNITY. WHEN KIDS PLAY HERE, FAMILIES GATHER AND THE ENTIRE CITY BENEFITS. I AM ASKING FOR THE BOARD TO RECONSIDER THESE FEES AND WORK WITH THE LEAGUE ON A SOLUTION THAT SUPPORTS ACCESS, NOT NOT BARRIERS. THESE FIELDS SHOULD BE AN INVESTMENT IN OUR YOUTH, NOT AN OBSTACLE IN THEIR PARTICIPATION. AND THAT WAS FROM MRS. SMITH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME EVERYBODY HAS HERE, BUT CAN I MOVE OR MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE? DISCUSSION ITEMS, REVISIONS TO PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY USE AGREEMENT FOR SUNSET PARK SPORTS FIELD AND PROPOSED FEES TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. I WOULD SECOND THAT. YEAH, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THAT BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD DISAPPEAR THEN. SO AS I, I SHOULD TAKE A VOTE ON. OH, RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL VOTE FOR THIS? YES. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, GOOD. SO AS I SAID, THIS IS A

[VI.1. Discuss revisions to the Parks and Recreation Facility Use Agreement for Sunset Park Sports Fields and proposed fees.]

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WE'VE SORT OF BEEN LEADING TO THIS OVER SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT DEVELOPING A POLICY REGARDING WHAT I REFER TO AS EXCLUSIVE USES. RESERVED USES, OR PAY TO PLAY ELECTED USES BY INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS. ALL OF THOSE NECESSITATE EXCLUSIVE USE BY ONE GROUP TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS. AND SO IT BECOMES A QUESTION THEN OF IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, ORGANIZATIONS, ETC. WHO RESERVE A SPACE, THUS EXCLUDING ALL OTHER USERS FROM THAT SPACE, IS IT FAIR AND REASONABLE THEN, TO EXPECT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING OR SUBSIDIZING THOSE ACTIVITIES? SO THIS IS PART OF THAT BROADER CONVERSATION. SO THIS EVENING YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU THE ITEM OF A THE A REVISION TO THE CURRENT AGREEMENT REGARDING SUNSET PARK. AND THERE REALLY ONLY ARE TWO CHANGES ON THERE.

THE FIRST IS ON PAGE ONE AND IT'S IDENTIFIED THERE. AND THAT IS A PROPOSAL FOR CHARGING A FEE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THAT SORT OF FITS IN THE SCHEME REGIONALLY, AND WHY THERE IS EVEN A DISCUSSION OF THE NECESSITY FOR RECOVERING SOME COSTS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS. AND THEN ON THE FINAL PAGE, THE BACK PAGE OF THAT, YOU'LL SEE.

AND BY THE WAY, THEY'RE HERE FOR THE, THE THE LAST ITEM IS SIMPLY ONE. AND AGAIN THIS IS A POLICY DECISION DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A RECREATIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE VERSUS A TRAVEL OR SELECT LEAGUE. THE DIFFERENCE BEING A RECREATIONAL LEAGUE. THERE ARE NO TRYOUTS. YOU PAY, YOU PLAY. WHEREAS THE SELECT LEAGUE OR A TRAVEL TEAM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TRYOUTS. SOME KIDS WILL MAKE THE TEAM. SOME KIDS WILL NOT MAKE THE TEAMS. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT GIVEN THE DEMAND FOR THE USE OF FIELDS, CURRENTLY, THE RECREATIONAL DEVELOPMENT LEAGUES OUGHT TO HAVE PRIORITY USE OVER NON RECREATIONAL LEAKS OR SELECT OR TRAVEL TEAMS. SO THOSE REALLY ARE THE TWO PROPOSALS PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE EXISTING AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S THERE BEFORE YOU. SO THE AND WE CAN PAUSE AT ANY TIME AND TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE IF YOU WANT TO. SO YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THAT AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF YOU. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN EVALUATION OF COSTS AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF FEES. AND IT STARTS WITH AND THESE TWO ARE HERE. SO THERE'S A SPORTS FIELD SURVEY AT THE TOP. SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE IS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE MAKING MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS IN PROGRAMS, AND THE CITY OUGHT TO INVEST IN LOCAL YOUTH SPORTS AS WELL. AND SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AND SAY, FIRSTLY, THE CITY, IN FACT, JUST WITHIN FIVE YEARS SPENT SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF SUNSET PARK, PRIMARY ELEMENTS OF WHICH ARE THREE SPORTS FIELDS. SO THAT IS IN FACT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT, A IN THE BROADER COMMUNITY, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN THE YOUTH ATHLETIC COMMUNITY. ADDITIONALLY, THE JUST THIS YEAR, THE CITY INSTALLED A BLEACHER COVERS AT SUNSET PARK TO THE TUNE OF $47,000 A YEAR. SO AGAIN, THAT'S A DIRECT INVESTMENT IN YOUTH SPORTS ACTIVITIES. AND THOSE WHO ARE USING THOSE FACILITIES, KEEPING IN MIND THAT PARTICULARLY WHERE THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE CONCERNED, THOSE ARE LOCKED AND ARE ONLY OPEN FOR RESERVED USES. SO THEY LITERALLY ARE EXCLUSIVE FACILITIES. ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF OPERATION AT SUNSET PARK, HAS FUNDED THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THOSE SPORTS FACILITIES TO THE TUNE OF APPROXIMATELY $47,000 A YEAR. SO THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING INVESTMENT IN LOCAL YOUTH

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OUR FIELD OF $19,000 EQUATES. IF YOU USE THE FIGURE 250 PARTICIPANTS IN THE LEAGUE, THAT IS A $76 PER CHILD INVESTMENT ON THE CITY'S PART INTO THE YOUTH, INTO THE LEAGUE SPECIFICALLY. SO MY POINT IN THAT IS SAYING THAT THE CITY, IN FACT, HEAVILY INVESTS IN ITS YOUTH SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND THOSE ARE ONGOING INVESTMENTS, AND THEY WILL NOT COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR, AS WE WILL DISCUSS IN A MOMENT AS EACH GROUP FEES. SO THE NEXT ITEM THAT I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS ON THAT SECOND SHEET, THE TOP OF WHICH SAYS SPORTS FIELD SURVEYS.

I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO VISITED THE WEBSITES OF VARIOUS ALL OF THE ALL OF THE CITIES WHICH TOUCHED US, WHICH ARE SORT OF IN OUR REALM OF INFLUENCE. ALL OF THOSE CITIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LAGO VISTA, CHARGES FOR USE OF THEIR FIELDS. AND THAT IS IN FACT THE NORMATIVE PRACTICE FOR MUNICIPAL RECREATION, BECAUSE WHERE SPORTS FIELDS ARE CONCERNED, THEY TEND TO THEY TEND TOWARDS EXCLUSIVE USE. AND SO THERE'S THE NEED. WHILE YOU STILL SUBSIDIZE THOSE PROGRAMS, THERE'S THE NEED TO TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU CAN MINIMIZE THE CITY'S COSTS IN PERPETUITY. AND SO WE'VE ARRIVED AT A POINT WHERE, AFTER FIVE YEARS OF SUBSIDIZING, NOT JUST SUBSIDIZE, BUT FUNDING THOSE COSTS IN THERE ENTIRELY, THAT IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING CHARGING SOME FEE FOR USE, NOT NOT JUST OF OF LAGO VISTA UNITED BASEBALL, BUT OF THE LOCAL SOCCER ORGANIZATION AND OF ANY OTHER POTENTIAL USES OF THE FACILITY.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS A NORMATIVE PRACTICE. WE ARE THE ONLY ONES CURRENTLY THAT ARE THE ABERRATION. THE SECOND POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT AS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, THE FIGURES AREN'T BEING PULLED OUT OF THE AIR. THE SECOND TABLE ON THAT DOCUMENT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU, DEMONSTRATES HOW IT IS THAT THE CITY SPENDS ANNUALLY, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT $47,000 JUST IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THE TWO BALL FIELDS AND THE SOCCER FIELD AT SUNSET PARK. YOU CAN SEE THE STAFF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. YOU CAN SEE EQUIPMENT COSTS, MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, LARGE EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT, DEPRECIATION. BECAUSE THE CITY HAS A GATOR THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THAT FACILITY EXCLUSIVELY, AND THEN A MOWER THAT HAS PREPARED YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT IS.

THOSE ARE SHARED COSTS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE COST OF WATER ANNUALLY. SO $47,000 IS THE CITY'S ONGOING INVESTMENT IN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF SUNSET PARK FOURTH STREET. AND FINALLY, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, I'VE GOT WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS FIELD COSTS SAMPLES. AND SO WHAT I DID, AND I HAD THIS ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF ME AS I DID THAT. SO MY FIRST PERIOD HERE OVERSEEING THE FACILITIES WAS HALL. I HAD THREE USER GROUPS DURING THAT PERIOD. I HAD LAGO VISTA SOCCER, I HAD LV, UBS, AND THEN I HAD NORTH SHORE NAVIGATORS. YOU CAN SEE, AND THIS IS BASED ENTIRELY UPON THE USE AGREEMENT THAT THEY SUBMITTED. THOSE ARE THE HOURS, THOSE ARE THE DAYS THAT WERE REQUESTED. AND YOU CAN SEE IF THE $15 FEE WERE APPLIED, WHAT IT WOULD COST EACH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR USE OF THOSE FACILITIES THERE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, VISTA SOCCER CLUB, YOU CAN SEE FOR THE 106 HOURS THAT THEY USED OVER A TWO MONTH PERIOD DURING THE FALL, WOULD HAVE COST THEM $1,590 FOR LDU SD, BECAUSE THEY USED BOTH THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE SOFTBALL FIELD. AND I BROKEN THOSE OUT BECAUSE THE REQUIRED USE, THE REQUESTED USE WAS DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF THOSE. THERE WERE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES ON DAYS, AND THEN ON SATURDAYS YOU CAN SEE 177 HOURS USE OF ONE FIELD, 201 HOURS USE OVER AGAIN OVER THE COURSE OF SLIGHTLY OVER TWO MONTHS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT NORTH SHORE NAVIGATORS WHO HAD 12 HOURS OF USE DURING THAT SAME PERIOD. AND SO THE TOTAL

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SO IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT WE WILL FULLY RECOVER THE COSTS, BUT IT IS. THE FIGURES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE BASED ON A REASONABLE LOW MIDDLE OF WHAT IS AVERAGE FOR THE REGION AND IS IS AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE NORMATIVE FOR VARIOUS CITIES AND THEIR LEASING OR RENTING OF FACILITIES. SO THESE REALLY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN INFORMATIVE FOR YOU BECAUSE THIS IS A DISCUSSION ONE. MR. GALE, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, BUT FINAL DETERMINATION REGARDING ANY FEES OF ANY KIND ARE THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT IT COMES HERE FIRST BECAUSE YOU HAVE, AS IT WERE, FIRST, LOOK AT ALL THINGS RELATED TO PARKS AND RECREATION. AND SO TONIGHT IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS REASONABLE, A IN TERMS OF A POLICY. SO IT IS IS IT REASONABLE FOR THE CITY TO FULLY FUND AND OR SUBSIDIZE. AND WHEN I SAY THE CITY, I'M TALKING THE BROADER COMMUNITY, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER THE CITY IS FUNDING, YOU BASICALLY ARE ASKING 5500 HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY TO FUND THOSE ACTIVITIES WHEN, AS WAS INDICATED THIS EVENING, YOU'VE GOT POTENTIALLY 200 FAMILIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.

SO THERE'S THERE'S AN ENORMOUS GAP BETWEEN THOSE WHO ARE BEING SERVED AND THOSE WHO ARE BEING REQUESTED TO FUND THE EFFORTS OF THOSE. SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU START DISCUSSING THE ISSUE OF RESERVED USES, EXCLUSIVE USES OR ELECTIVE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE BEING OFFERED BY THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATIONS, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE CITY FUND OR SUBSIDIZE THAT? SO THAT'S THE GIST OF THIS EVENING'S CONVERSATION, RIGHT. SO. I'D LIKE TO PASS IT BACK TO GEO OR THE GROUP OVER THERE AND THEN ASK IT IF YOU OBVIOUSLY COME BACK WITH A, A PROPOSAL OF WHAT, HOW, WHAT YOU COULD AFFORD TO PAY OR CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN US. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED. I MEAN IT. YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE TWO SIDES TO THE STORY, IF YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE DAVID'S COMING FROM. BUT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SIDE AS WELL. I DON'T WANT TO SEND YOU GUYS BANKRUPT ON THE OTHER SIDE. I ASKED THE QUESTION. YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. SORRY. AND YOU'VE GOT TO STATE YOUR NAME. OKAY. MY NAME IS MARIA SPENCE. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COULD ANSWER, BUT WHEN SUNSET WAS BUILT, WE WE WERE NEW RESIDENTS OVER HERE, SO IT WAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED. BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT WAS THE INTENDED USE OF THAT PARK? AND WAS THERE ALWAYS THE INTENTION OF KIND OF BACK CHARGING WHATEVER RECREATIONAL LEAGUES WOULD USE THOSE FIELDS? AND THEN LIKE, I GUESS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE I HAVE FOUR KIDS AND SO MY 14 YEAR OLD IS ALREADY AGED OUT OF THE LEAGUE, BUT I HAVE THREE MORE THAT ARE GOING POTENTIALLY GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LEAGUE. BUT WOULD THE COST THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW CHANGE LATER, LIKE INCREASE MORE FOR THE FAMILIES AS THE COST OF MAINTENANCE INCREASES OVER TIME? YEAH. SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, SO I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. OKAY. I'VE WORKED FOR THE CITY ONLY FOR THE LAST ALMOST FIVE MONTHS. SO THERE TO WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND REGARDING SUNSET PARK IS SO IT'S A IT'S THE CITY'S OWNED AND OPERATED BECAUSE WE WERE DISTINGUISHED FROM THE BPOA. BUT IT'S THE CITY'S FIRST COMMUNITY PARK, AND IT WAS TO BE BUILT IN PHASES. SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE IS PHASE ONE AND THERE WAS AN INTENTION TO DO MORE FUNDING. IS THE ISSUE THERE OKAY. THE IN TERMS OF OPERATIONAL POLICY, IT CHANGES OVER TIME. SO I THINK THE INITIAL INTENTION WAS TO INTRODUCE THE COMMUNITY TO THE PARK, THE PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT THOSE USES WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. BEFORE YOU COULD MAKE ANY DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT POLICY WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THAT WOULD INCLUDE FEES, ETC. SO AND SO TODAY IS ONE OF THOSE OCCASIONS WHERE, AS I SAID, AFTER FIVE YEARS OF EXISTENCE, FIVE YEARS OF USE BY THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING A FAIR SENSE OF WHAT THAT USE IS LIKE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY OR EQUALLY

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AND SO YOUR THIRD QUESTION ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FEES IN THE FUTURE? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE COSTS AS THEY GO ON. RIGHT. SO IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IT WILL BE DISCUSSIONS FOR THE FUTURE. BUT AT THIS POINT, THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS MOVING SOME MEASURE OF COST RECOVERY. SO BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ASSUMPTION IS THIS WON'T EVER BE LARGO'S ONLY PARK, RIGHT? BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND OTHER PARKS, THIS MAY BE THE ONLY ONE. SO WHERE'S THE BALANCE TO BE STRUCK THERE? SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. CHAIR, JUST TO ADD TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, SO I WAS ON THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE BACK WHEN WE FIRST GOT OUR GRANT FUNDING AND THE INITIAL PLANNING FOR SUNSET PARK. AND AS DAVID SAID, YEAH, DEFINITELY A PHASED APPROACH, PAINFULLY PHASED APPROACH BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME INITIAL FUNDING AND CITY MATCH AND GET PHASE ONE. BUT THE PLAN WAS ULTIMATELY TO ADD ADDITIONAL BALL FIELDS, POTENTIALLY A MULTI-USE FIELD AND EVEN OTHER AMENITIES. RIGHT? LIKE SKATE PARK, BUMP TRACKS, JUST SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. AND IT'S VERY SLOW, ITERATIVE PROCESS BECAUSE THE CITY'S ONLY FUNDED SO MUCH MONEY BEYOND THAT INITIAL BURST OF ACTIVITY, IF YOU WILL. YEAR BY YEAR. AND SO THAT'S BEEN A FRUSTRATION FOR MANY OF US WHO'VE BEEN ON THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE OVER THE YEARS. I WILL SAY THIS, JUST TO PUT SOME PERSPECTIVE ON IS THAT IF I COULD TRANSPORT THOSE EARLY BOARD MEMBERS HERE TODAY AND THEY COULD SEE THE INTEREST AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS SUCH HEAVY USAGE OF ALL OF THE SUNSET PARK AND THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THEY WOULD BE DELIGHTED. SO THAT WAS OUR VISION ULTIMATELY WAS TO PROVIDE AN AREA WHERE WE COULD SUPPORT YOUTH SPORTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR OUR YOUTH, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE IN LAGO VISTA OUTSIDE OF THE PARKS. SO I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THE USAGE. AND AS DAVID AND ANDREW ARE SAYING, WE WANT TO TAKE A REASONABLE APPROACH TO THIS. I'M NOT WEIGHING IN ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT IT OVER THE LONG TERM, RIGHT? IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE YOUTH SPORTS AND EVEN ADD AMENITIES AT SUNSET PARK OR EVEN NEW BALLFIELDS, IT CAN HELP SOMETIMES TO SHOW SOME SKIN IN THE GAME. THAT HELPS. I THINK ANY KIND OF VOTE OR DECISION MAKING BY CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SEE THAT, AND NOT THAT ANYONE WANTS TO INCREASE CHARGES OR PRICES ON ANYBODY. BUT THE FACT IS, THE COST OF OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE WILL GO UP, JUST LIKE WE'RE ALL FACING INFLATIONARY PRESSURES IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES. AND WE DO WANT TO PUSH TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR PARKS AND EVEN NEW PARKS. SO ALL OF THIS KIND OF DOVETAILS TOGETHER. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. ANDREW. YEAH I'LL LET THE COMMENTS. YEAH I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, A POINT OF EQUITY IN TERMS OF SUBSIDIZING QUOTE UNQUOTE ACROSS THE CITY.

I'M NOT SURE OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT OUR POOLS, YOU KNOW. DO YOU DO WE? I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE POOL. IS THERE A MEMBERSHIP FEE FOR THE POOL? THERE IS, THERE IS.

OKAY. GOT IT. HOW ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS? NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERING IT. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IN THE REALM OF EXCLUSIVE RESERVE USES.

RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. SHOULD BE A CONVERSATION. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO MY QUESTION IS LIKE WHERE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS REQUESTING. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS REQUESTING AND IS LIKE A BROADER LOOK AT AT ALL RESERVATIONS AND HOW WE CAN RECOVER SOME OF THE COSTS. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE BASKETBALL COURTS OR PICKLEBALL OR TENNIS OR EVEN GOLF COURSE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. BUT LIKE, THIS KIND OF CAME ON TO US ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. SO IS IT A DAVID THING? IS IT A CITY THING? LIKE. LIKE WHERE WHERE IS IT? WHO'S REQUESTING THE MONEY? BECAUSE THAT ULTIMATELY THIS MONEY DOESN'T GO BACK INTO PARKS AND REC DIRECTLY. IT GOES FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE'LL GO BACK IN. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THIS 100%, BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GO BACK INTO PARKS AND REC. I WAS TOLD IT WOULD GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY. KAREN ANSWERED YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO BUILD ON THE FUTURE OR DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO THROW WHATEVER YOU SAID 18,000 OUT. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN PHASE IT IN, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR IT'S A DOLLAR. NEXT YEAR IT'S $2. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY THAT HAS GOT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, THE COUNCIL, THEN HOPEFULLY LOOK AT IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PREPARED TO JOIN FORCES AND DEVELOP THE SKIN, MONEY OR SKIN. YEAH. SKIN LIKE BODIES IN THE

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SO JOE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR YOUR TESTIMONY. DEFINITELY HAVE QUESTIONS AND NEED MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS MATERIAL MYSELF AND THE NUMBERS BECAUSE I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED YOUR 503. CORRECT. A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME CITIES DO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF DISCOUNT FOR 500 1C3. BUT I THINK I AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS TO ALSO HEAR FROM YOU ALL AND WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP. I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT. LET'S LOOK AT THE SWEAT EQUITY WHICH WILL COUNT LIKE FOR VOLUNTEER HOURS, HOW MUCH YOU'RE DOING, AND DO THE CONTRAST AND COMPARISON TOWARDS HOW MUCH IT'S NEEDED. RIGHT. AND HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ALSO I THINK WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, PRICES, COSTS ARE GOING UP, OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE GOING UP. AND I AND I DO AGREE WITH THAT POINT, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO FIND THAT NEUTRAL BALANCE AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND LOOK AT THE TRUE VALUE COSTS ON EACH SIDE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY MY POINT. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW. HI, MY NAME IS ASHLEY MADRID AND MY DAUGHTER STARTED PLAYING SOFTBALL LAST YEAR. I HAVEN'T BEEN AT SUNSET PARK SINCE WE FINISHED OUR SPRING SEASON BECAUSE WE WENT INTO OTHER SPORTS, BUT I THINK THAT THE FEE IS EXTREMELY HIGH. THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THAT PARK IS NOT THAT NICE, THE PARKING AREA IS NOT THAT GREAT. THE BATHROOMS ARE FAR. THEY'VE BEEN LOCKED. THERE'S ONE PORTA

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ANYBODY ELSE GOT ON HERE? WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT. JUST A QUICK ONE. OKAY. TEN MINUTES LONG. SORRY. HI, I'M CRAIG DEVINE, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE YOUTH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HERE. I THINK I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE SINCE I CAN'T SPEAK, WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THINGS. WHEN I SPEAK WITH HIM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOSING THE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 300 KIDS. THAT'S A LOT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT INFLATION, RISING COSTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO RAISE COSTS FOR THE LEAF. AND I'VE SEEN THIS WITH FOOTBALL. WE HAD TO RAISE COSTS WITH FOOTBALL AS WELL. THE KIDS THAT CAN'T THEN BE IN THE LEAGUE ARE THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLD, THE ONES THAT ARE FEELING IT THE MOST. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAYBE THE PARENT IS WORKING HARD SO THEY'RE NOT HOME AS MUCH WITH THEM. THEY NEED THIS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE DOING THIS TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING YOU PUT TOGETHER MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE EMOTIONAL ASPECT, THAT THIS IS A HUGE THING FOR THE KIDS THAT MIGHT NEED THIS MORE THAN WE KNOW. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS RAISED BY A SINGLE MOTHER, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO RECREATION ACTIVITIES. ALL RIGHT. JUST JUST GO. HI. MY NAME IS ABIGAIL GUASTELLA. I NOT A PART OF THE BASEBALL ORGANIZATION? LOVE Y'ALL. MY NEPHEWS ARE, BUT I'M NOT. I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE SOCCER FIELDS. THOSE ARE NOT LOCKED, SO. AND THEY'RE LIKE, FREE USE. WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE. WE'VE USED IT. NOT AT A RENTAL TIME. JUST SHOWED UP WITH THAT. THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE USE. SO WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE. THAT'S WHY IN MY OPENING COMMENTS I REFERRED TO EXCLUSIVE USE FOR RESERVE PIECES. OKAY, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LOCKED ANY LIKE IF THE SOCCER ORGANIZATION WERE TO COME UP AND PEOPLE WERE JUST THERE EVEN THOUGH WE HAD IT, I'M SAYING WE I'M NOT. YEAH, NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT. SO THERE ARE SOME GROUPS, FAMILIES WHO MIGHT USE IT PERIODICALLY WHEN. SO IN THE CASE OF THE YOUTH SOCCER ORGANIZATION, THEY RESERVE IT FOR THREE EVENINGS A WEEK, TWO HOURS A DAY. THAT BECOMES A RESERVATION AGAIN. THE OPERATIVE IS THAT EXCLUDES ALL OTHERS FROM THE USE OF THAT. SO THAT RESERVATION WOULD TRIGGER A FEE. AND THEN JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER IS THAT TO WATER THE GRASS, IS THAT WHY THAT NUMBER IS SO LARGE? OKAY. I WAS LIKE, NOBODY'S FLUSHING THE TOILET THAT MANY TIMES. THAT IS WATERING. YEAH. 4500 A DAY. THAT'S JUST YOU SEE THAT? YEAH.

THAT'S CORRECT. 135,000 GALLONS A MONTH IS WHAT IS USED ON AVERAGE THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM UTILITY BILLING. IT'S NOT MADE UP. SO YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S ONLY ONE METER OUT THERE THAT'S READING FROM THAT VIEW. SO WE. BRIAN PINNELL I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE FIELDS BEING LOCKED. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT UNLOCKING THEM FOR AD HOC GENERAL POPULATION USAGE FOR THE SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL FIELDS? OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY RESERVED IT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TO UTILIZE IT. BUT I HAVE HAD TAKEN MY KIDS OUT THERE AND PLAYED HOME RUN DERBY AND KIND OF KICKED OUT. SO YEAH, SO THE THE ISSUE THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION REGARDING THE USE OF THOSE FACILITIES BECAUSE THERE'S UNDOUBTEDLY THEY WOULD BE DEGRADED OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE TIME, EFFORT AND MONEY THAT'S EXPENDED. NOW IF YOU SIMPLY KICK WIDE THE GATES, YOU WOULD MULTIPLY THE USE

[00:40:04]

ALL WE CAN DO IS PRESENT TO COUNCIL OUR OPINIONS. AND YOU KNOW WE CAN BE A CONDUIT FOR YOU. BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU WANT ACTION, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, RIGHT? I DO THINK WE HAVE A WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO CREATE A PARKS PLAN. WE DO THAT IS GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AND AND THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD. IF YOU LOOK AT A CITY'S AND THERE ARE SEVERAL AROUND TEXAS, GO LOOK AT A PARKS MASTER PLAN. INCLUDES TRAILS, INCLUDES SPORTS, INCLUDES RECREATION. IT MIGHT BE SWIMMING. IT MIGHT BE A BASKETBALL. IT MIGHT BE A SKATE PARK. IT MIGHT BE FRISBEE GOLF. SO AND THE KEY IS TO TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM IN A PRIORITY THAT MAKES SENSE AND, AND GET THE FUNDING FOR IT. I MEAN, WE'RE AS WE ALL KNOW, WE WANT TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS, BUT DO WE HAVE THE MONEY? HOW DO WE GET THE MONEY? AND THE PARKS FOUNDATION WOULD HELP. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST WITH DAVID. WE NEED A A WAY TO COMMIT TO PARKS, SOME FUNDS THAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO DONATE, YOU KNOW, AND THE AREA AND GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING AND ALSO GET SOME MORE DEDICATED FUNDS TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. SO THANKS, STEVE. DID YOU. YEAH I WANT TO SPEAK. YEAH. TO REITERATE, FIRST OF ALL WE'RE JUST A COMMITTEE. WE CAN ONLY ADVISE KAREN'S A REPRESENTATIVE

[00:45:04]

BUT I SEE I SEE AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN AS THINGS THAT THE CITY SHOULD FUND. THIS IS AN OBLIGATION WE HAVE TO OUR TO OUR FAMILIES IN THIS TOWN AND OUR YOUTH. AND IT'S JUST IT'S THE WAY, IT'S THE WAY I FEEL AND IT'S THE WAY I'LL BE VOTING IF ANY AMENDMENTS COME UP.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE JUMP TO OUR NEXT ONE MORE? MY NAME IS ARTURO MADRID. MALI IS MY DAUGHTER, STARTED PLAYING SOFTBALL LAST YEAR, GREW UP IN A SMALL FARMING TOWN IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. SMALL, LITERALLY. YOU CAN WALK FROM ONE END OF TOWN TO THE OTHER. IT'S A MILE AND A HALF WIDE. WHEN I GREW UP THERE, EVERYTHING WAS CITY FUNDED. GREW UP THERE, MOVED TO LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. EVERYTHING WAS CITY FUNDED THERE. IT MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO ON HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT VERSUS HOW THIS IS BEING PROPOSED. GROWING UP, PLAYING IN THE ■CITY LEAGUES KEPT ME OFF THE STREETS. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT SEEN THE INSIDE OF INSTITUTIONS THAT CHOSE TO GO ANOTHER ROUTE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I WANT FOR MY KID. IT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO HOME. ONCE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE WHERE I'M ALREADY NOT AT HOME ENOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE TO WORK TO PAY TO LIVE, AND THEN IF IT COSTS INCREASE, MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR MY DAUGHTER, THAT SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT. IT SOUNDS SOUNDS EASY ENOUGH WHEN IT'S JUST X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS PER KID, BUT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE KID AT $185, AND THEN YOU ADD $75 ON TOP OF THAT FOR REGISTRATION, AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECOMES A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE 2 OR 3, PARENT IS ALREADY STRUGGLING.

IF THIS MASTER PLAN PARK WAS AN IDEA FOR THE CITY OF LARGO, MAYBE THIS PARK WAS TOO BIG.

THIS FIRST PHASE. IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN IT, IT'S PROOF THAT IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE HIT THE SPOT THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE CITY FUNDED. THERE'S VERY LITTLE TO DO HERE IN LARGO AS IT IS. PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING, THE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES ON THE STREET, THOSE LITTLE MOTORIZED SCOOTERS OR WHATNOT. WHAT ELSE DO THEY HAVE? IF WE TAKE THIS AWAY OR INCREASE IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE, IT'S ONE LESS THING.

THAT'S ME ON MY SOAPBOX. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR.

YES. YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT AND COMMENTS. AND CERTAINLY I'M AN ADVOCATE, AS SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ON INCREASING THE CITY'S FUNDING TOWARDS OUR PARKS AND OTHER RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, TRAILS AND SO FORTH. WE RAISED OUR SON HERE, AND WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FIELDS. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TEAMS IN THE CITY. THEY PLAYED SOCCER, AND WE SCHLEPPED DOWN TO CEDAR PARK, AND WE'D BARELY BE ABLE TO MAN A TEAM IN CEDAR PARK. TEAMS WOULD HAVE TWO TIMES OVER AND KICK OUR KICK OUR BUTTS. SO ANYWAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. SO AGAIN, I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THE USAGE AND THE VIBRANT YOUTH SPORTS ECOSYSTEM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT AND YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING. IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR CHILDREN. I AGREE, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN I WAS RECENTLY ELECTED, THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR WAS ALREADY DONE.

BUT I WILL BE PUSHING AND I'VE ALREADY PUT THE MAYOR ON NOTICE AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS PUSHING FOR BETTER FUNDING OF PARKS, TRAILS, BALL FIELDS, ETC. REALLY TO ACHIEVE THE ULTIMATE VISION THAT WE HAD FOR SUNSET PARK, AS WELL AS OTHER PARKS THAT ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WITH DAVID WILL MAKE THE CASE FOR THAT. BUT IT DOES HELP IF YOU GUYS COME AND ADVOCATE FOR IT. SO JUST PAY ATTENTION IF THINGS LIKE THIS COME UP ON CITY COUNCIL OR WE'RE BEGINNING TO HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING OR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS. AND AS CAROLYN MENTIONED, THE NEXT BIG JOB FOR THE COMMITTEE HERE IS TO UPDATE AND REVISE AND IMPROVE THE INITIAL DRAFT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH TO GET THE PLAN UPDATED AND REVISED, GET THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THAT'S

[00:50:05]

BUT IF AND WHEN, IF YOU JUST PAY ATTENTION TO WHEN THAT ANYTHING RELATED TO PARKS OR TRAILS OR THE MASTER PLAN OR ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, PLEASE SHOW UP LIKE YOU DID TONIGHT AND ASK TO SPEAK AND MAKE THAT CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT ALWAYS HELPS. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONE MORE COMMENT. JUST A RHETORICAL QUESTION. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN IS THE MADAM LIAISON? WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO GET INPUT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? ANY TIME'S A GOOD TIME IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL IN, BUT THE BUDGET PROCESS WON'T START IT.

PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS SUMMERTIME. I'D SAY THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR SIGNIFICANT INPUT IS AS THESE UPDATES TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND OVERALL COMP PLAN ARE BEING PRESENTED AND REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO COME AND MAKE MAKE COMMENTS. YEAH. SO THANK YOU CHAIR. AT THIS POINT OF MY CLEAR TO SAY A COMMENT REAL QUICK. YEAH. SO FIRST OF ALL I WOULD APPRECIATE I DO APPRECIATE THAT ALL OF YOU CAME UP TO TO VOICE A SIMILAR OPINION THAT I HAVE. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, BUT MORE MORE SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE, I THINK THE MOST PEOPLE WE'VE HAD IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS MAY HAVE BEEN THREE. AND SO THE FACT THAT WE HAD SUCH A TURNOUT TODAY IS HUGE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PARKS AND REC IN WHOLE, WHETHER IT BE FOR THE LEAGUES OR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE OVERSEE, RIGHT. Y'ALL'S INPUT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. PRESENCE IS IMPORTANT. AND WE AS A COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.

THAT SOUNDS FUNNY, SAYING IT OUT LOUD TO FOCUSING ON TRYING TO GET MORE FUNDS, WHICH TURNS INTO MORE STAFFING AT THE PARKS AND REC LEVEL, WHICH WILL JUST WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO GROW IT. SO JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE, YOU KNOW, I GEO'S BEEN TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, SO JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF, OF OUR SHORT TIME ON THE COMMITTEE HERE THAT'S BEEN OUR FOCUS IS TRYING TO WE WANT TO PRESSURE THE COUNCIL FOR MORE FUNDING TO PARKS AND REC. AND WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO FIND IT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT DAVID IS TRYING TO DO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT, BUT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ONE. WE'LL GET THERE. WE'RE ALL THE SAME. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. NO, TOTALLY. I'M TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN OR CLOSE THINGS DOWN. BELIEVE ME. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL GOT KIDS AND WE ALL WANT TO GET THEM, KEEP THEM ENTERTAINED. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY MORE TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. SO IF I COULD ASK YOU TO THINK OF SOME THING TO COME BACK TO US WITH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, JUST I'LL THROW THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW AT FIRST WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IS YOU CAN GET ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND YOU CAN FIND RECORDINGS OF THESE MEETINGS. YOU CAN FIND AGENDAS IN THE MINUTES. SO IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, TRY TO KEEP UP WITH IT. AND YOU CAN, LIKE WE SAID, YOU CAN EMAIL THE CITY, YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS, BUT THAT WAY YOU CAN AT LEAST KEEP UP WITH IT. IF YOU CAN'T BE HERE, BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, EVENING MEETINGS. SO BUT TAKE A LOOK AND YOU'LL FIND IT THERE. EVEN PAST MEETINGS. YEAH. SO OKAY, I WILL CHANGE. WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR AGENDA NOW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU ARE WELCOME. THANK YOU. THE MASS EXODUS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK MAYBE. YEAH. NO, NO, IT'S IT SOUNDS LIKE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH, I THINK SO. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. I'LL COME DOWN. I HAD 31 AT ONE POINT BUT I THINK A COUPLE MORE CAME IN. YEAH I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 33 OR 34 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. ALL

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IT'S IT'S SWIMMING. IT'S OTHER FUEL USAGE. IT'S OTHER IT'S ADDRESSING SENIORS AND SENIORS NEEDS. IT'S NOT JUST ONE GROUP. SO WE DO HAVE TO FIND THIS FUNDING AND APPLY IT AND LOOK WHERE IT'S NEEDED MOST FIRST. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THAT OUT. AND CERTAINLY, DAVID, I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME OTHER PARKS PLANS THAT SHOW A BREAKDOWN BY AGE AND BY GROUP AND BY INTEREST. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MODEL AFTER SOME OF THOSE. YOU KNOW, I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN SOME OF THOSE. IT GIVES PEOPLE A BROADER PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST IN THE PARKS, NOT JUST ONE SINGLE AREA, BUT IN MULTIPLE. AND IF WE JUST THE BOTTOM LINE ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO FUNDS, WE HAVE TO GET A WAY TO FUND THESE. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE TREE MITIGATION FUND THAT KEEPS FLOATING AROUND. AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN PUT OFF ONTO THE PNC COMMITTEE. AND WHERE IS IT. DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW THAT STANDS? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO ASK YOU GUYS ABOUT AN UPDATE ON. I DID SEE A NOTE. PAUL PRINCE UPDATED A NOTE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO PNC. SO THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE DIAMETER OF TREES AND SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE FUNDS INTO THE TREE MITIGATION INCREASE, INCREASE THE DIAMETER, HOPEFULLY DECREASE, DECREASE OH OH FOR PENALTY. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE VERBIAGE SO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST DIRECTING IT TOWARD POCKET PARKS, WE DON'T PARKS MORE BROADLY. SO FUNDS CAN BE USED MORE BROADLY ACROSS PARKS. SO I WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN ON THE AGENDA.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHY. NO, I DON'T GET IT. THEY HAD A BIG CHANGEOVER DIDN'T THEY. I THINK IT WAS KIND OF YEAH I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PRINCE IS NOW LIAISON TO PNC. SO I'LL CHECK IN WITH PAUL PRINCE AND WITH LINDA WHO'S THE CHAIR, AND JUST FIND OUT IF WE CAN GET IT BACK ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S BEEN FESTERING FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS NOW. YEAH. AT LEAST. YEAH, I ALREADY HAVE MADE A NOTE TO MYSELF TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. OKAY, SO WE'RE SORRY. WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING

[Items III.1 & III.2]

DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE JUST COMMENT. NO, NO, I THINK THE ONLY POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WOULD MAKE IS. OH BOY, GEO HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT LEANDER'S FEES. AND THAT'S WHY IN OPENING STATEMENT, I DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN CITY RUN ACTIVITY AND THIRD PARTY. SO LEANDER DOES IN FACT CHARGE FOR ITS FIELDS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T CHARGE ITSELF. I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE.

PARKS. THE SWING SET OVER AT. YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO BROACH THAT? ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. I KNOW IT'S GONE. NO IT'S GONE. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS WHAT THE PLAN WAS NOW OR IF BECAUSE I, I RECALL THAT YOU WERE LIAISON WITH KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. YEAH. I ATTEND THEIR MEETINGS. OH. THERE IS A COUNCIL LIAISON, BUT. OKAY. YOU'VE GONE TO THE MEETING.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, NO, THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS WAS PRESENTED. OKAY.

IN TERMS OF JUST WHAT'S INVASIVE LOOK LIKE WITH ALL OF THE NECESSARY ELEMENTS FOR US

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JUST CURIOUS WHAT WAS GOING ON. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. KAREN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, NOT IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'VE ALREADY MADE. SO. RIGHT. YEAH. JUST GET GET CRACKING ON THAT PARKS MASTER PLAN. YEAH. WISHING NOT TO LET THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LINGER.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET MOVEMENT ON THE FLUME THROUGH PNC INITIALLY, AND THEN THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WAIVE THE FEE FOR YOU ON. THAT DIDN'T TAKE LONG. SO YEAH, JUST KEEPING THAT MASTER PLAN MOVING ALONG BECAUSE LIKE I MENTIONED, I FEEL LIKE ONCE WE GET THAT DONE AND PART OF THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AT LARGE CAN'T IGNORE IT ANYMORE. IT'S PART OF THE VISION. AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS WE'VE CREATED THIS VISION AND NOW WE NEED TO MAP OUT OUR STEPS TO GET THERE. RIGHT. WHAT'S OUR GAME PLAN. SO THAT HELPS IN TERMS OF FUNDING. AND ALSO GETTING A COMPLETE HELPS A LOT IN TERMS OF GRANT FUNDING IF YOU HAVE THAT MASTER PLAN COMPLETED. SO ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THAT WAS ABOUT WE HAD THE CONSULTANT WHO CAME THROUGH AND WE ALL KNOW OUR OPINION OF WHAT THAT WHAT HAPPENED THERE. BUT THE DATA, THE DATA THAT WAS USED TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE TABLES IN THE IN THAT PLAN, DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN THAT REVISED, YOU KNOW, PARKS PLAN WOULD BE UTILIZING? I MEAN, WHY GO RUN THAT AGAIN WHEN WE'VE GOT THE DATA THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, WE COULD CHECK WITH THEM AND SEE. AND THEY GOT A LOT OF DATA FROM THE ISD, FROM THE SURVEY AND OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC DATA THAT THE ISD PULLED TOGETHER. SO DEFINITELY IN ONE OF THE PACKETS IN COUNCIL MEETINGS PAST. AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHICH COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I COULD FIND IT IF I HAD SOME TIME. CERTAINLY A SOFT COPY E COPY OF THAT STUFF WILL BE HELPFUL IN CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE PULL AND, YOU KNOW, PIECES FROM, YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE RAW DATA IS ALWAYS I MEAN, OR THE SOME OF THE TABLES AND CONCLUSIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT DATA ARE WORTH MAYBE PULLING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CREATE A NEW REALLY DIDN'T IT REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN GOING FORWARD. BUT IT HAD SOME GOOD JUSTIFICATION AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE WANTS AND THE DESIRES IN THE AGE GROUP AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, IS WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THAT IN THE NEW PLAN. AND AS WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK DAVID. I MEAN, I KNOW I HAVE ONE BECAUSE I THINK I'VE TOLD YOU I WAS INVOLVED IN ONE AS FAR AS A STRAW MAN TO START WORKING WITH. AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE WE CAN ALSO GET COPIES OF THAT AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE I ALWAYS THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TO, YOU KNOW, A STRAW MAN TO YOU CAN START SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS OR WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS ONE OVER HERE, WE GOT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW OF ONE BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED. AND I'LL BRING THAT OR IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, THEIR WEBSITE, YOU KNOW. SO SEVERAL CITIES HAVE COMPLETED THEM IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. RIGHT, RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE DATA YOU'RE REFERRING TO. HOW OLD IS THAT DATA DEMOGRAPHIC? WELL, THEY JUST DID IT LAST YEAR. WAS IT LAST YEAR? I THOUGHT IT WAS LONGER THAN THAT OR EVEN A YEAR AND A HALF. OKAY. YEAH. IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS IT SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO. YEAH. HERE'S ONE DATED 2025. SO YEAH, THERE WE GO. OH, I'M REFERRING TO THE SURVEY. YEAH. THE DATA WAS OKAY. ALL THE DATA WAS COLLECTED FOR THAT, WHICH THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO. THAT'S OLDER THAN THAT OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS OLDER THAN THAT.

I THOUGHT THE DATA WAS OLDER. YEAH, YEAH. ANYWAY. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SLAM THAT DOWN. YEAH. LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.

[IV.1. Election of Officers (Chair, Vice Chair, and Secretary) for the upcoming year.]

SORRY. ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER FOR IT? I PROPOSED ALL. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR ELECTING ME. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ACCEPT. I ACCEPT. YEAH, SHE'S ACCEPTED. ALL RIGHT, ALL

[IV.2. Selection of two to three committee members to serve on Parks Master Plan Subcommittee.]

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YOU'D LIKE TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE? I WOULD TOO, AND SO. OH, AHEAD. YEAH. IT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE. YEAH. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY I'M LIKE, I'M YOU'RE DUCKING OUT. NO NO NO NO NO NOT AT ALL OKAY. SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO KIND OF NARROW THIS DOWN AND JUST, JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON, ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES. I, YOU KNOW, I SERVED ON THE GOLF COURSE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THAT AT THAT TIME, ALL THE ALL THE COMMITTEES, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES WERE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. SO THE REASON WHY WE WERE LIMITED TO THREE WAS TO NOT HAVE A QUORUM AND GET AROUND BASICALLY, AND HAVE MORE, MORE LATITUDE IN WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE SUBCOMMITTEES. THAT BEING SAID, THREE IS A GOOD NUMBER. IT'S A REALLY GOOD NUMBER BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY SELDOM VOTING ON STUFF. YOU'RE YOU'RE IN A IN A QUIET SETTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO GET A CONSENSUS WITH 2 OR 3, YOU KNOW, TWO OUT OF THREE, THREE OUT OF THREE, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE 4 OR 5, WE MIGHT AS WELL HASH IT OUT IN THE OPEN COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW, ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF I DON'T SEE THE SENSE IN THE OF OF HAVING FIVE MEMBERS ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ALREADY A QUORUM. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY ALL THE REASONS FOR NOT HAVING A QUORUM ARE JUST KIND OF THROWN OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE YOU KIND OF RESTRICT. THE LATITUDE OF THAT SMALL GROUP. SO, I DON'T KNOW. THERE WERE THREE OF US ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. IT IT'S BASICALLY YOU GET TOGETHER. IT'S VERY INFORMAL. YOU'RE NOT REALLY VOTING ON ANYTHING. YOU ASSIGN RESEARCH TASKS, YOU GO OFF AND DO YOUR TASKS. YOU COME BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND YOU HASH IT OUT. RIGHT. SO THERE IS AN ECONOMY AND AN EFFICIENCY IN A SMALL GROUP SETTING OF, SAY, THREE. RIGHT? I AGREE, SO I'LL BACK OUT. OKAY. SO. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK. IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY INTENSE PRETTY QUICKLY.

WE CAN'T MEET ONCE A MONTH. THIS IS GOING TO BE EITHER WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY. YEAH I MEAN IT PROBABLY START OFF BIWEEKLY AND PROBABLY ACCELERATE TO WEEKLY BECAUSE WE I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS DONE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ASAP. FULL COURT PRESS, RIGHT. LET ME ASK YOU, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS THIS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE THAN AN INFORMALITY, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE WORK. YOU SAID YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WORKED ON A PLAN AND THE PLAN ITSELF. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO DISSECT, TO WORK ON. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THE TIME AND COMMITMENT.

STEVE, IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, THAT IS FINE. I CAN STEP OUT. BUT I FELT YEAH, YEAH.

AFTER AFTER HEARING ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOU ARE MUCH MORE QUALIFIED THAN I KNOW. TRUTH IS TRUTH. I MEAN, WE KIND OF ALL KNOW EACH OTHER. SORRY. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW YOU, BUT, I MEAN, I CAN BRING THIS TO A VOTE IF PEOPLE WANT TO KIND OF VOTE ON IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE VOTE EACH OTHER IN OR OUT OR, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, STEVE? AND WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? DAWN AND VICE. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON NOW ON ALL THREE ON JUST ONE NOMINATION YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE COMMITTEE OR, YOU KNOW, LET'S WE CAN VOTE. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TIME COMMITMENT WHO'S AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE HUGE. I'M NOT AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY. RIGHT. I'M A WORKING MAN, UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH. I'M RETIRED. SO I'M I'M AVAILABLE ON THE DAY. YOU ARE TOO NOW, I MEAN, I'M AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. SO, MARLENE, WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE? MY SCHEDULE? YEAH.

DAYS. YEAH. SOMETIMES CAN BE TOUGH. SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I THINK YOU TWO SHOULD BE ON IT. DEFINITELY. I MEAN, AS I SAY, YOU GOT TO PUT THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT. WELL, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR Y'ALL TO MEET DURING THE EVENINGS? WE HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN MAKE THIS QUICK. YEAH. I MEAN, RAISE YOUR HAND. DEPENDS ON THE EVENING FOR ME. I'M. I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, ARE ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE

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YEAH. WE NEED WE NEED A LOCATION TO PUT IN TWO BIDS. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE TOO MANY EVENINGS EITHER. I'M OKAY WITH THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT WITH WITH COUNCIL, WITH CLD, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF TAKEN UP FOR ME TOO, SO WE COULD FIND A BALANCE THERE WHERE SO MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ARE DOABLE, BUT WHERE WE CAN FIT IT TO A DEGREE.

AND KEEP IN MIND, OUR WORKDAY IS UNTIL 6 P.M. SO IF THAT MEANS FOR SOME OF YOU, YOU'RE AVAILABLE AT 430, STILL AN HOUR AND A HALF, BUT WE CAN WORK THROUGH SOME STUFF. SO, ANDREW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE FOR THE DAY. I KNOW, 330 SOMETIMES. YEAH, THAT'S EARLY ENOUGH. YEAH. BUT SO SO THAT'S SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, WE'RE TALKING TO 430 OR 5:00 WORKING GROUP OR WHATEVER, AND IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU, AND AGAIN, IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO THINGS, THAT'S OKAY AS WELL. SO YEAH, IT'S JUST FINDING WHAT FITS. BUT YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THIS THE EMPHASIS HERE IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD WORKING GROUP BECAUSE THERE IS A TON OF STUFF THROUGH WHICH WE'VE GOT TO WAIT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A DOCUMENT THAT ALREADY EXISTS THAT BASICALLY EVERYBODY SAYS THEY HATE. BUT THERE MAY BE NUGGETS THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT OF IT. I CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE THE RAW DATA THAT'S BEEN CREATED BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON STATISTICAL DATA OR DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, BUT IT'S SIMPLY TRUE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT'S BASED UPON INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS PROVIDED. SO WE DON'T WANT TO JUST CHECK THAT OUT. WE WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME READING SEVERAL REALLY EFFECTIVE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS. AND SO WE GET A FLAVOR FOR WHAT'S A REALLY GOOD AND EFFECTIVE DOCUMENT. SO SO IT'S GOING TO BE A NOT JUST A WORKING GROUP BUT A HARD WORKING GROUP. THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF HOMEWORK FOR ALL OF US. AND AND ANDREW, I SORT OF AGREE THAT MAY START OFF BIWEEKLY. AND THEN AS WE SORT OF CLOSE THE GAP ON THIS THING MAY TRANSITION TO WEEKLY, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR REVIEW BY OTHER FOLKS, INCLUDING THIS COMMITTEE. SO IT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED. BUT YEAH, THERE CAN BE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF TIME, BUT JUST GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I TOO AM GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, BALANCE BETWEEN THE WORK DAY, WHICH AS I SAID, GOES TILL 6:00 AND THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN SOME OF THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON. SO I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, IF I WAS ON THERE THE ONLY DAY OF THE WEEK, I'M NOT COMMITTED WITH MY JOB IS THURSDAYS EVENING COUNCIL. YEAH. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ON IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH YOU HAVE HISTORY WITH THE AREA, YOU AS WELL. AND YEAH I THINK YOU, YOU'RE RUNNING YOU'RE RUNNING PARKS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE YOU NEED TO BE IN IT. SO THURSDAY IS PROBABLY WHEN WE SHOULD DO IT THEN. BUT YOU KNOW I HAVE A THAT'S FINE TALKS COMMITTEE MEETING ON TUESDAYS.

I HAVE A WEDNESDAY EVERY MONTH ON THE WEDNESDAY I'VE GOT I GOT MY WEDNESDAYS ARE DONE BY OTHER VARIOUS THINGS. THURSDAYS I MEAN MY PARKS COMMITTEE. I MEAN IT'S LIKE I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THE PARKS COMMITTEE, IT WAS ONCE A MONTH AND WE SOON REALIZED WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING DONE. SO WE'VE TIMED IT. SO WE'RE NOW MEETING MORE FREQUENTLY JUST TO GET STUFF DONE. YEAH. SO AND THIS WILL PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GETTING ENOUGH DONE BETWEEN EACH EACH UPDATE WE'RE GIVING PRAC YOU KNOW. SO THERE'S ALWAYS WEEKENDS AND THERE'S ALWAYS WEEKS. YEAH THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH. WHO INVITED HER. YEAH. NO I YOU KNOW, AS FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THURSDAYS ARE ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD DAY FOR ME. OTHER THAN MORNING. SAME. SO LONG AS. SO TWO THURSDAYS A MONTH.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, TOTALLY FINE. SO IF WE JUST AVOID THE FIRST AND THE THIRD. OKAY.

EVERYBODY AGREE ON THAT. WE'LL PUT THAT TO A VOTE. WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON THOSE THREE THOSE DAYS OKAY. IF ANYBODY'S GOT AN OBJECTION TO THAT. NO. AND WHAT THREE. WELL, TO BE CLEAR, MARK.

YEAH. SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE'LL START WITH MARK, AND THEN WE'LL CAROLYN, CAROLYN AND

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SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON IT. ANYBODY VOTE FOR THOSE THREE? I ANYONE OPPOSED? NO. YAY! THAT'S THAT'S THAT TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD. YEAH. REALLY? WE'LL DO THURSDAYS. I CAN PROBABLY IF WE CAN. WE HAVE A ROOM HERE. HAVE WE GOT A ROOM TO MEET HERE? YEAH. IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH. YEAH. WE CAN. NO. YOU'RE ON. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE SMALL. THE. SO THE COUNCIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL CONFERENCE ROOM RIGHT BEHIND ME. YEAH. THERE'S A CALENDAR. YEAH. JUST CHECK IT. MAKE SURE THAT'S AVAILABLE. YEAH. AND IF IT IS, THEN THAT'S JUST IN CASE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE NOW HAS A MEETING ROOM THAT I'VE UTILIZED MULTIPLE TIMES. SO YOU ALL COULD USE THAT ALSO. YEAH. I MEAN MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE HERE IN CASE WE NEEDED TO PULL SOMETHING. JUST SAYING AS A FALLBACK. I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T WE CAN DO THE THE OTHER THING AND YOU KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN LET'S POTENTIALLY SAY 430 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. 4:00, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THERE IS PLENTY OF PLACES WE CAN MEET. SO I GUESS THERE'S NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT. DO WE WANT TO START TOMORROW? ARE WE TOMORROW'S COUNCIL MEETING? OH, YEAH, BUT THEY'RE DONE. THEY'RE DONE WITH THAT ROOM. AND THEY DO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS IN THERE, DON'T THEY? BUT I'LL BE OUT THERE. OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

NEVER MIND. BY 4:00 I THINK WE'RE DONE. WE'RE TRYING TO DO EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM 3 TO 4, BUT THEN WE RESERVE USE OF THAT ROOM IN CASE WE HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT.

MEETINGS OR WHATEVER. YEAH. SO. WELL, THERE YOU GO. SO ONLY THREE OF US, WHERE COULD WE FIND A PLACE TO START? SEE IF THERE WAS ONLY A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT HAD MEETING ROOMS? JUST IMAGINE. YEAH, MAYBE YOU. HANG ON. I'M TRYING TO PULL THE CALENDAR UP.

YEAH, I'M AVAILABLE TOMORROW, SO THAT'S A GOOD DAY FOR ME. ACTUALLY, ANY PLACE THAT IS.

WELL, NOT NEXT. SO YOU CAN'T DO FIRST AND THIRD, CAN YOU? CORRECT. FIRST AND THIRD. SO SHALL WE START WITH THE SECOND AND FOURTH, WHICH WILL BE THE 22ND EVERY EVERY OTHER WEEK AFTER THAT WEEK FROM TOMORROW. SORRY, THAT'S THE ONE THURSDAY I HAVE SOMETHING. ME TOO I CAN'T DO, I CAN'T, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. I HAVE EVERY WE NEED A NEW COMMITTEE. I WON'T BE IN TOWN TOGETHER. HE JUST SAID IT. YEAH. TOMORROW I COULD DO, BUT NOT I COULD DO TOMORROW.

IS THERE ANY PLACE WE CAN MEET? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO ACTUALLY. DAVID, YOU KNOW. DO WE. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU AT EVERY MEETING? YOU DO NOT KNOW, BUT AT LEAST TO BEGIN WITH. AND THERE IS CERTAINLY MATERIAL I'D LIKE TO PUT IN YOUR. YES, YOU CAN BEGIN

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OKAY, OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING YOU SAID IS THAT RIGHT, DAVID? AM I GETTING THAT RIGHT? WE WOULD BE MEETING ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH. SO THE FIFTH WOULD BE THE FIRST, WHICH WOULD BE A COUNCIL MEETING. SO THE 12TH AND THE 26TH OF FEBRUARY, 12TH AND 26TH. NOW THE 29TH IS A FIFTH THURSDAY. YES, IT IS COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE CAN START THAT RIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO 29TH WE'LL START WITH THE 29TH. SO COMMITTEE OKAY. IF WE HAD TO STEAL JORDAN'S OFFICE SHE'S GOT A NICE LITTLE TABLE THAT. SO REALLY THE 12TH FEBRUARY 12TH WE'RE STARTING THE 29TH OKAY. GOOD 20. AND THEN WE CAN DO THE 12 WHICH WOULD BE YEAH I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING WE'LL MEET HERE SO WE CAN, CAN WE ALL MAKE IT BY FALL 4:00. ON WHICH DAY? THE 29TH.

YEAH. JANUARY 29TH FOR ABOUT 4 P.M. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN BANG OUT A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE DAVID HAS TO GO. AND SO 4:00 ON THE 29TH. OKAY. IN FEBRUARY 12TH YOU SAID. YEAH.

AND THEN WE'LL GET IT GOING PROPERLY AFTER WE MAKE SURE RESERVE THOSE DAYS. YEAH.

WHAT'S OUR LOCATION HERE. YEAH, WE'LL MEET HERE. I'M NOT 100% WHICH ROOM YET, BUT WE'LL MEET HERE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO WALK ACROSS TO THE LIBRARY OR WHATEVER. OR EXACTLY THERE.

MULTIPLE OPTIONS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN. YEAH. SO HAVING THOSE SAMPLE MASTER PLANS WOULD BE A GOOD THING I THINK. SO YOU COULD EMAIL I COULD EMAIL YOU THE ONE I'M CONSIDERING. SO YOU COULD YOU CAN HAVE THESE PRINTED OUT FOR YOU OR YOU CAN DO I MEAN I CAN SEND YOU LINKS.

YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. EARLY. YEAH. AND IF YOU HAVE OR IF YOU PREFER THAT I PRINT THEM OUT FOR YOU. THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. YEAH. BUT I CAN SEND YOU A LINK. 4 OR 5 REALLY GOOD ONES.

YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. I FIGURED YOU'D HAVE SOME. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OOPS. SORRY. ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. I'D LOVE TO. YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AS WELL IF YOU WANT. AS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO. THE CURRENT VERSION WAS BASICALLY AN ANALYSIS WE HAD DONE FOR CITY COUNCIL AGAIN, GOING BACK A FEW YEARS. AND THAT'S ALL. THEY TOOK IT AND PRINTED UP WHAT WE HAD ALREADY PRESENTED, BUT THEY HAD ALSO SAID CITY COUNCIL SET GUARDRAILS AROUND HOW THAT MASTER PLAN WAS. PRETTY MUCH WE DON'T ASSUME THERE'S NO NEW BIG FUNDING FOR ANYTHING NEW AND BIG. SO THEY WERE. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY THE PLAN WAS DISAPPOINTING, BECAUSE THEY THESE GUARDRAILS HAVE BEEN SET AROUND WHAT THEY COULD PROPOSE IN THE PLAN. SO YOU GUYS ARE A BLUE SKY, BUT ALSO I'M SURE DAVID WILL AROUND US IN REALITY, YEAH. OVER A FIVE YEAR PLAN FUNDING AND GRANT FUNDING AND CITY MATCHES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO AND THEN YOU HAD SAID WE COULD MAYBE GET ACCESS TO THE DATA OR THE SOFT COPY OF THAT PLAN CONFIRMED IT'S AVAILABLE. RIGHT? YEAH. THE RAW DATA. YEAH, YEAH. AND ALSO THE SOFT COPY THAT PLAN JUST TO HAVE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL ALSO. OKAY. DAVID SAID THAT THE DATA I HAVE USED IS AVAILABLE. OKAY. GOOD GOOD GOOD. YEAH OKAY OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE

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SO BECAUSE THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT, BECAUSE LITERALLY THE MOMENT IT'S PUBLISHED, YOU ARE THE FIRST TO GET A COPY OF THE FULL AGENDA AND ACCESS TO THE PACKET. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ACCESSING THAT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALWAYS ON THE WEBSITE. ONCE IT'S PUBLISHED. I'M NOT SURE HOW ELSE TO GET IT TO YOU IN A TIMELY MANNER. OTHERWISE, IF YOU WANT, WE COULD JUST HAVE PRINTED COPIES OF THE PACKET. HOW ABOUT YOU COME HERE? BUT THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO BE READING THINGS FOR THE FIRST TIME. HOW ABOUT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD? YOU COULD YOU COULD DO AN ATTACHMENT ON THE MESSAGE. YOU COULD CERTAINLY PUT THE LINK UP ON IT. YEAH. ROBIN JUST EMAILED US AS A WORD DOC. THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT JUST THE MINUTES.

YEAH, BUT I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BROADER PACKET. SO. YEAH. SO FOR EXAMPLE OH I, I, I, I GO TO THE WEBSITE AND JUST PRINT UP. SO THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT TWO IN FRONT OF ME NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW I MAKE SURE TO GET THESE THINGS TO YOU GUYS SO THAT YOU CAN READ THEM IN ADVANCE IF YOU HAVE THE TIME. YEAH. IF, YOU KNOW, IF. DOES ANYBODY USE THE MESSAGE BOARD, THE CITY MESSAGE BOARD. SEE I DO, BUT IT'S IT'S WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. YEAH. AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY SHARING YOU KNOW ATTACHMENTS ON THERE.

SO LIKE AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FOR SECTION THREE OF THE NEW CHARTER, YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. AND ANYBODY ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS THAT AND DOWNLOAD IT.

I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT A WORKING DOCUMENT ON A PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD YET. I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THROUGH SOME ITERATIONS OF IT FIRST BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE AND COULD INSIGHT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? SURE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I WAS GOING TO COULD YOU EMAIL ONE OF US THE AGENDA AND WE COULD VOLUNTEER? I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I WILL, ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED AT THE AGENDA TONIGHT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THAT. SO I'LL COMMIT TO GETTING THAT OUT TO ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL SEND YOU A LINK TO THE ENTIRE AGENDA PACKET. OKAY. AND THEN YOU LITERALLY CLICK ON THAT AND IT'LL SHOW YOU EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE OKAY. YEAH. THANKS FOR DOING THAT. GOOD. DECEMBER 10TH. I WOULDN'T HAVE YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THAT THAT PACKAGE WOULD HAVE THE MINUTES, BUT WE WOULD HAVE THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THIS BECAUSE I'M STARVING. NO OTHER REASON. YOU'RE STILL HUNGRY? I MEAN MYSELF AT THE MOMENT. ALL RIGHT.

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