[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL] [00:00:07] AND I'LL CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION TO ORDER. FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE ROLL CALL. FRANK ROBERTS, I'M HERE. JIM CASON. LAURA SALTER HERE. JEFF COBLE HERE. CLIFF MCCULLOUGH. AND IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, IF YOU SAY SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO PRESS THE BUTTON AND. OH, YEAH, HOPEFULLY. OUR COUNCIL LIAISON MAY WANT TO INDICATE THAT THAT CREATES A NUMBER OF ISSUES FOR US. I ACTUALLY AGREE THAT DOES CREATE A NUMBER OF ISSUES. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU MA'AM. LET'S SEE. IS JEFF COBLE HERE. HERE. CLIFF MCCULLOUGH. HERE DAVE STEINER HERE JAMES LEE HERE. WELCOME ABOARD. JAMES, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU. OUR COUNCIL LIAISON, AMANDA CHEVROLET, AND HER STAFF LIAISON, JORDAN STROHMEYER HERE. NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND I HAVE A [II. CITIZEN COMMENTS] CITIZEN COMMENT FROM JARED PHILLIPS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO US, SIR? YES, SIR. I DON'T WANT TO. IT SAYS IT'S ON GREEN. LET ME LET'S MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT. HOW HOW ACCORDING TO THE SYSTEM, HOW THE RULES. HOW LONG DOES HE HAVE? WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU NEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES? BECAUSE THE ROOM IS NOT FULL OF FOLKS TO SPEAK WITH US, I WILL ASK THE COMMISSION TO AMEND THE RULES, AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL SEE. YOU'RE ON. THANK YOU SIR, I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HEARING ME. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH AN ISSUE AND Y'ALL MAY HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT OR NOT. AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND HEIGHT VARIANCE ORDINANCES, I'VE DEALT WITH BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE. DEALT WITH CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, DEAL WITH IT SINCE APRIL, AND THEN JULY IS WHEN THE FIRST TIME THE PROJECT I'M USING JUST AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE Y'ALL CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON A PROJECT, BUT I'M USING AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET. BUT BASICALLY THE LINES ARE BEING BLURRED AND COMPLETELY THE ORDINANCE IS NOT BEING READ TRUE. AS FAR AS THE WAY A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OF VARIANCE IS BEING CALLED OUT, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF CODE THAT CALL THEM OUT. IT'S ALWAYS IT'S BEEN THAT WAY. SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS BASED ON VIEW VARIANCES IS BASED ON A LIST OF DIFFERENT THINGS OF HARDSHIP. WHEN THIS CAME UP AND IT CAUSED AN ISSUE, WAS WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY HELD A TRAINING THAT WAS SAYING THAT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND VARIANCE WERE THE SAME THING. AT THAT TIME. I WROTE AFTER THAT HEARING, AFTER HE DID THAT TRAINING AND THE EXAMPLE OF MY SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF IT. I WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER SAYING THAT IT WAS WRONG. THEY HELD A NOTHER TRAINING CORRECTING THAT. AT THAT TRAINING, STILL TRYING TO BLUR THE LINES, BUT CORRECTED IT. THEN THEY HEARD OTHER. THEY HAD ANOTHER BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING. BASICALLY SHOW ASKING FOR PEOPLE ASKING FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. SOME OF THOSE WERE LOOKED AT AND VOTED ON AS APPROVED AND NOT APPROVED AND SO FORTH, BUT THEY WENT BACK TO VIEWING IT AS THE VIEW PORTION, NOT AS A VARIANCE ANYMORE. AND SO THEN THE LAST ONE THAT I FINALLY PRESSED AND EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH JORDAN, I PRESSED TO GET BACK, PUT BACK SO MY CASE CAN BE VIEWED AGAIN. THE ATTORNEY ALSO, I GUESS, TOLD JORDAN AT THAT TIME A VARIANCE AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION ARE THE SAME THING. I ASKED FOR THAT CLARIFICATION TO UNDERSTAND, BUT I WASN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AT THAT MEETING. AT THAT POINT, THEY PULLED SOME CLAUSE OUT OF THE CODE, AT SOME POINT SAYING THERE'S A COOLING DOWN PERIOD WHEN AT THE TIME, I ALSO ASKED THE CITY MANAGER IF THERE WAS A COOLING DOWN PERIOD, AND HE TOLD ME IN AN EMAIL, THERE IS NOT. SO THAT WAS WHY I ASKED TO BE HEARD AGAIN. SO AGAIN, MY POINT TO COMING OUT AT THIS POINT IS OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL LEAD THE COUNCIL ABOUT CODE ORDINANCES AND SUCH. SO I'M STILL ASKING THE QUESTION IS HOW ARE THESE IN THE SAME THING? WHY IS THE ATTORNEY ALLOWED TO MAKE THE THE, THE DECISION WHETHER ONE'S RIGHT AND ONE'S WRONG? BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S MAKING THESE CHANGES AT THE [00:05:01] MOMENT. Y'ALL ARE Y'ALL AREN'T LEADING THIS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE JORDAN IS LEADING THIS AT THIS POINT. I FEEL LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THE ONE LEADING IT AS FAR AS AT LEAST BLURRING THE LINES TO WHERE THAT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. WHEN IN DOCUMENT, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AGAIN, TWO APPLICATIONS, TWO DIFFERENT CODES, TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES TO PROVE DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THOSE REASONS. AND SO MY QUESTION AGAIN IS I'M ASKING ARE THEY THE SAME THING. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY'RE SAME THING. CAN THE CITY ATTORNEY LEAD THAT DIRECTION. AND THEN WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE AT THIS POINT WHEN NOBODY IS NOBODY'S BEING CHECKS AND BALANCES ON THIS. THERE'S ONE PERSON BASICALLY LEADING THE SHOW, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, BUT IT DOES CAUSE ISSUES. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I FOLLOWED THE RIGHT PROCESS WITH THE RIDGE POLES, EVERYTHING. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND I'M AT A STANDSTILL RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A PAIN ANYBODY. I'M NOT TRYING TO STRONGHOLD ANYBODY. I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD THE RIGHT WAY, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN WHERE I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYBODY'S LEADING THAT CHARGE, EXCEPT FOR THE ATTORNEY IS BASICALLY SAYING, THIS IS MY TRAINING NOW. THIS IS MY TRAINING NOW. OKAY. NEVER MIND THERE A VARIANCE. I JUST THERE'S NO CHECKS AND BALANCE HERE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET HEARD ABOUT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION SPEED REALLY FAST. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER. SO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO GET A VARIANCE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO GET? WELL NO I WANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE SAYING A VARIANCE AND A SPECIAL EXCEPTION THE SAME THING. AND THEY ARE NOT NOT WITH NOT WITH THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND NOT BY APPLICATIONS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THERE'S TWO CODES IN ORDINANCES THAT ARE SEPARATE THE VARIANCE FROM A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF EACH ARE. I'M LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, NOT A VARIANCE. THAT'S MY PROBLEM SIR. SO PARDON ME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION ON THIS ISSUE. NONE. I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT MY WELL, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ME SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AT THE MOMENT. I'M USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE A MAKE A DECISION ON MY PROJECT. Y'ALL CAN'T DO THAT. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION ON THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. MY QUESTION IS WHO CHECKS AND BALANCES THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND WHO CLARIFIES CODES TO MAKE THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY FOLLOW THAT CODE CORRECTLY? BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SAYING WHAT THE CODE SAYS. AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, HE'S WRONG. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION IN THIS ISSUE. SOME OF US MIGHT IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO FORM A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN GENERAL. OKAY, BUT BUT THIS THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION HAS NO JURISDICTION ON THIS ISSUE. WE CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA. CAN I CAN I ASK I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? SO IF AND I'M TRYING TO FIND IT NOW, DON'T Y'ALL Y'ALL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL AND INFORM THEM ON HOW TO READ ORDINANCES OR WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN ORDINANCES AND SUCH, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS COMMITTEE THEN OF A BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMITTEE? IT IT WE HAVE JURISDICTION FOR CERTAIN CHAPTERS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. YOUR ISSUE DEALS WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND WE DON'T CHAPTER 14. WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT. OKAY. AND I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT LITERALLY SAYS, Y'ALL, ARE Y'ALL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT ORDINANCES IN OUR CODE? NOT THAT Y'ALL ADVISED THE COUNCIL ON ORDINANCES. THAT'S WHAT THE WEBSITE SAYS. NO, SIR. JUST A SELECT FEW. SECOND AND 14 IS NOT ONE OF THEM. ARE YOU JUST A LIAISON OR CAN I ASK YOU DIRECT QUESTIONS BASED ON THIS? GO AHEAD. LISTEN, MR. ROBBINS, IF I MAY. WE ARE POSTING. SO MR. ROBBINS IS CORRECT. THE SC ONLY HANDLES CERTAIN CHAPTERS OF THE CODE. ZONING SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE A P AND Z. WE HAVE NOT POSTED THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA YET FOR NEXT WEEK. ON THURSDAY. I CAN REQUEST THAT THIS IS MADE AN ACTION ITEM SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT. I DON'T I THINK IT'S AN ORGANIZATION ISSUE AND NOT. NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT EXCEPTION ITSELF. IT'S AN ISSUE WITH WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE CODE AND HOW IT OPERATES, WHERE IT'S LOCATED. AND SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN PLANNING AND ZONING MORE OPENLY. CHAPTER 14 IS PLANNING AND ZONING TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL. THERE'S A BREAKOUT IN WHAT CHAPTERS EACH BOARD HAS. WHAT TIME THAT IT [00:10:09] WILL TOMORROW. NO NO NO NO NEXT WEEK. SO WE WOULD POST AGENDA TOMORROW. BUT THE MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, THURSDAY THE 12TH. I WANT TO SAY AT 4:00 IS WHEN IT STARTS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FORMS, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE UNDER CITIZEN PARTICIPATION WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US? YES, MA'AM. WELL, WHAT I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH YOU ON IS BECAUSE I HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS AN UNHAPPY PERSON ABOUT A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DECISION. THIS KIND OF MAKES IT COMPLICATED FOR ME TO ADDRESS IT, BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT I SHOULD ADDRESS IT RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SAY, HOWEVER, THAT IN GENERAL, I WAS ON VOA FOR 7 OR 8 YEARS. I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO YOU ARE? OH, MY NAME IS LINDA AIRD. MY NAME IS LINDA AIRD. I'M SORRY. AND I'M ON PLANNING AND ZONING NOW. AND I HAD TO GET OFF OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THE CITY PASSED AN ORDINANCE SAYING YOU CAN'T BE ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND SO IN JANUARY WAS MY LAST BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING, AND I HEARD THE CASE THAT MR. PHILLIPS BROUGHT. SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THAT NOW IF IT'S COMING TO PA, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BOARD THAT VERY, VERY RARELY GRANTS APPLICATION APPROVAL THAT IT BY ITS NATURE, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. YOU HAVE TO SHOW SOME VERY GOOD REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLY WITH AN ORDINANCE. THE CITY HAS ORDINANCES THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO COMPLY WITH. AND SO IF EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPLYING WITH THE PARTICULAR HEIGHT AND, AND AND BUILDING THEIR HOUSES TO THAT PARTICULAR HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES ALONG AND JUST DISREGARDS IT, IT KIND OF MAKES A MOCKERY OF, OF THE OBEDIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCES. AND SO WE HAVE HAD HISTORICALLY IN THE CITY OVER THESE PAST 7 OR 8 YEARS, PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY DON'T COMPLY, THEY BUY LOTS PUTTING UP RIDGE POLES BEFORE THEY EVEN CLOSE, PEOPLE WHO JUST ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO GET A HEIGHT EXCEPTION, BECAUSE IN THE PAST, HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS WERE JUST GIVEN OUT PRETTY ROUTINELY. AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO DO IF, IF, IF THE HEIGHT EXCEPT THE HEIGHT ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE IS A PROBLEM, THEN THE CITY SHOULD CHANGE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION. IF 15FT IS TOO LOW, CHANGE IT. BUT DON'T JUST GIVE A LOT OF HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS TO CERTAIN PEOPLE LIKE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS, AND THE AVERAGE PERSON DOES WHAT THEY CAN TO BUILD WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS THERE. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS UNFAIR. IT'S UNJUST. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ORDINANCES BEING APPLIED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE BOARD, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE DONE FAIRLY. IF IF ORDINANCES ARE CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, THEN PEOPLE ARE TREATED FAIRLY. AND IF THE ORDINANCE IS A PROBLEM, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. AND I WON'T SAY ANY MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR. I WILL SAY ONE THING. WHEN YOU ARE DENIED A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UNLESS YOU MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE TO YOUR APPLICATION, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COME BACK FOR A YEAR. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. YOU CAN'T JUST COME BACK AND TRY AGAIN. A MONTH OR TWO LATER. YOU HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR BEFORE YOU CAN COME BACK. THAT'S THE CODE, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE. SO. THAT'S PROBABLY ALL I SHOULD SAY UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO AND KEEP KEEP MAKING THOSE ORDINANCES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK. ARE THERE. THAT MAY BE A DOLLAR'S WORTH. THANKS. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE HAVE NONE. NEXT ITEM IS STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON [IV. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS] [00:15:03] REPORTS. CITY COUNCIL LIAISON. OTHER THAN WHAT? I HAVE TO PUSH THIS BUTTON NOW OKAY. SO AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING OR THIS COUNCIL MEETING WE DISCUSSED AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE WANTING TO MAKE A SUBCOMMITTEE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING. I BELIEVE THAT SHANE HAS ALSO REACHED OUT TO YOU AND JUST INFORMALLY. AND Y'ALL MAY YOU PICKED TWO ALREADY, AND I SAW THAT YOU HAD PULLED IT OFF THIS AGENDA. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING NEW FROM THE COUNCIL ASIDE FROM, OF COURSE, THE RECENT NICHOLS REPORT, WHICH IS NOT FROM DIRECTLY FROM US. SO IT'S IT'S YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO IT NOW, I WILL BE WONDERING IF THIS SHOULD BE A PRETTY INTERESTING MEETING. SO I'LL BE TAKING BACK ON THE PLOT TOMORROW, I'M SURE. STAFF. BUILDING AND STANDARDS VERY SIMILAR VEIN. THERE WILL BE MORE DISCUSSION TOMORROW NIGHT ABOUT THE FREEZE AND NICHOLS REPORT. OUTSIDE OF THE DIRECTION, WHICH WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY FIGURE OUT TOMORROW NIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY NEW TO REPORT. THE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN FORWARDED FROM THE BSA HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA. THOSE WILL BE DISCUSSED. THERE IS A WORKSHOP PROCESS THAT GOES WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL WE GOT. IT SEEMS SO FAR WE'RE ONLY TWO MONTHS INTO THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY SMOOTH SAILING. I FEEL LIKE. SO LET'S LET'S KEEP GOING WITH THAT AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET. WHAT MAY TAKE UP A LITTLE, HAVE A LITTLE MORE COMFORT OR SOME MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FREEZE NICHOLS EXERCISE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL? IF I SAID F AND I, YOU AND I KNOW HE'S I UNDERSTAND F AND I, IT'S BECAUSE THAT THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. BUT WE'RE JUST CALLING IT THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC OKAY. SO CODE DIAGNOSTIC. THAT'S THE CIRCUS. YES. ANY FURTHER FURTHER LIAISON OR STAFF. NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF [V.1. Approval of the Minutes for January 7th, 2026, meeting. ] JANUARY 7TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST SET OF MINUTES THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN, WHAT, TWO YEARS? WELL, NO. AND SO LET ME I'VE NEVER SEEN MINUTES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. WE MAY TALK AFTER THIS TONIGHT. I CAN BRING IT UP TODAY. SO THE ITEM IS JANUARY 7TH. MINUTES. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. CHANGES. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE. THE HEADING STATES DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. EXCUSE ME FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION TWICE. I THINK THAT SCRIVENER'S. ASIDE FROM THAT IS ANYONE HAVE ANY CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ONE OF THE MEMBERS VOTED IN FAVOR OF. IT WASN'T HERE, SO. BUT IN ANY CASE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NEXT ITEM IS [V.2. Discuss and consider issues and recommendations concerning the Freese and Nichols Reports.] DISCUSSING TO CONSIDER ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING THE FREEZE, AND NICHOLS REPORTS. ANYBODY GOT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? LET ME LET ME LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND. AT A AT A MEETING IN JANUARY. THE CHAIR INDICATED WE COULD FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. MR. MCCULLOUGH INDICATED, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. [00:20:01] WE'RE JUST FINDING OUT WHO WANTS TO SERVE. TURNS OUT THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO, IN MY OPINION. SINCE THEN, AND CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG, FOLKS, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO BE ON. THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE. AT COUNCIL LEVEL. ART LIAISON INDICATED A COUPLE OF FOLKS. BUT THE COUNCIL DID NOT FORM A COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE A FORM ONE AT ALL. CORRECT? THAT'S NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE MEETING. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID TO MAKE IT. THERE WAS AGREEMENT ACROSS THE BOARD TO FORM. THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDED THAT TO LIKE SECURE IT, LOCK AND LOAD IT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IT NEEDS TO BE TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION OR SOME KIND OF ACTION ITEM SO THAT IT CAN BE ON THE RECORD. BUT THERE WAS FORMAL AGREEMENT ACROSS THE COUNCIL, SO THERE WAS A CONSENSUS TO FORM A COMMITTEE WHO WOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE. HOW WOULD THOSE FOLKS BE CHOSEN? OKAY, SO FOR THAT PORTION, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THAT SHANE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO EACH OF THE BOARDS AND LOOK FOR LOOK FOR TWO VOLUNTEERS. I BELIEVE HE'S ALREADY REACHED OUT TO YOU AND YOU AND LAURA HAVE VOLUNTEERED. IS THAT CORRECT? IS TWO THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. HE DID REACH OUT. I INDICATED THAT WOULD BE LAURA SOTTER, LARGELY BECAUSE I HAD HEARD THAT YOU USED THAT. YOU STATED HER AT THE MEETING. AT THE LAST MEETING, Y'ALL SEEMED TO BE VERY INTERESTED. I SAID THOSE TWO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND REACHED OUT TO. SO I KNOW THAT SHANE WAS CONSIDERING THAT. ALSO, FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, I BELIEVE IT. HE'S REACHED OUT TO THEM. I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHO THEY'VE CHOSEN. I DO KNOW THAT IT WAS MR. PAUL PRINCE AND. ADAM GREENFIELD'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LIAISON ALSO BE A PART OF OF THAT AS WELL. SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST TO DO SO WOULD BE TO LIKE IT'D BE EACH EACH LIAISON FROM THE PARTICULAR COMMITTEES OR BOARDS, ALONG WITH TWO FROM EACH COMMITTEE, IN ADDITION TO STAFF LEADING THE CHARGE, I BELIEVE. GUESS THAT WAS THE GENERAL. BUT SHE'S CORRECT. WE DID AGREE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A COMMITTEE. THERE WAS NO FORMAL LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE A RESOLUTION OR PASS AN ACTION ITEM. SO THE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TOMORROW. YEAH. FROM THERE IT'S, IT'S I'VE NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SHANE ABOUT THE OTHER PARTIES THAT HAVE BEEN THAT HAVE VOLUNTEERED. I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE TWO FOLKS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THE TWO FOLKS THAT BUILDING STANDARDS, JIM AND LAURA. SO I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH BOTH OF THEM. AND IF THE COUNCIL FORMALLY ASKED THE THE CHAIR OF BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR ONE OTHER PERSON, IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD BE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION CHAIR AND ONE OTHER I WOULD NOMINATE JIM CASON. AND MUCH OF THE REASONING BEHIND THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER THIS EVENING, AS JIM'S BEEN ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND SPENT A LONG TIME WITH NOT ONLY THE STUFF THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO IF IT IF IT COMES DOWN TO TWO. MY RECOMMENDATION FOR MY. NOMINATION WOULD BE CHAIRMAN. I OKAY, JIM. SO. I DON'T CARE. I MEAN I'M NOT LOBBYING FOR IT. AND AND IN THE YOU KNOW MY THOUGHT WAS TWO PEOPLE IN THE JAW GO. BUT THERE STILL SHOULD BE I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT THE REST OF US TO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES ON WHAT Y'ALL TAKE, OR AT LEAST A BIGGER SUBCOMMITTEE, THIS BOARD WORKING TO FURNISH ALL WITH, [00:25:05] YOU KNOW, DATA. SO I DON'T CARE HOW. LET'S TALK ABOUT COMING BACK WITH THAT. OKAY. ON THAT ISSUE. DOES THE COMMISSION. WANT TO DEAL WITH THESE ULTIMATELY, EVERYTHING THAT AMENDS THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR COME BACK HERE, PERIOD. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MAY PASS AN ORDINANCE ABOUT THAT TOMORROW NIGHT. WE'LL SEE. BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN THE TRADITION FOR SINCE WE WERE FORMED. YOU, JIM, YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, HOW DO WE BRING STUFF BACK TO THE COMMISSION? AS THE PROCESS PROCEEDS? THE WHOLE COMMISSION OR SOME OF US? AND THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THIS WITH ALL OF US BECAUSE OF THE BULLETIN BOARD. WE CAN SEND STUFF OUT TO THE POLL COMMISSION ON THE BULLETIN BOARD. AS LONG AS SOMEBODY CAN GET US ALL ON IT AND MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW HOW TO USE IT, BECAUSE IF THE BOARD IS THERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE IN ORDER FOR ME TO FIND OUT WHETHER THIS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS MEETING, I HAVE TO GO SPECIFICALLY LOG ON TO THIS EMAIL AND LOOK AT IT. SO AS LONG AS THERE'S DISCUSSION BOARD GOING TO TELL ME, HEY, THERE'S A DISCUSSION, YOU NEED TO GO LOOK AT THAT, THEN THAT WORKS. BUT IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NOTIFY ME, YOU KNOW, I MAY NOT CHECK IT FOR SEVERAL DAYS THEN I'VE NOT BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION. IT NOTIFIES WHEN SOMEBODY POSTS ON YOUR BOARD, BUT IT GOES TO YOUR CITY EMAIL. AND SO IF THERE'S AN ACCESS ISSUE WITH CITY EMAILS, PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THEM. I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN SIMPLE OR EASY, AND SO WE CAN GET THAT SITUATED, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY POSTS OR RESPONDS IN THE DISCUSSION BOARD, I KNOW I GET A NOTICE THAT SAYS, HEY, CHECK THIS BOARD, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU RECEIVE NOTICE CITY EMAIL. RIGHT. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BOARDS AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I'M NOT SITTING AT MY DESK ALL DAY, 8 TO 5 AND AN EMAIL POPS UP AND I SEE IT. THERE'S A DISCUSSION. I HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS TO THE OFFICE BECAUSE I CAN'T. I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT ON MY PHONE. AND SO IF THERE'S A DISCUSSION AND I HAVE IT CHECKED IN 3 OR 4 DAYS, THEN THEY HAD A DISCUSSION, I DIDN'T I WASN'T A PART OF IT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE DISCUSSION. IT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S THERE'S A DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT SOMETHING. IS THERE A BETTER WAY. SO WE CAN HAVE THERE'S SETTINGS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CITY EMAIL FORWARDED TO YOUR PERSONAL. SO AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE, HEY, I NEED TO CHECK IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET LIKE TEXT NOTIFICATIONS FROM OUR SOFTWARE THAT DOES THE DISCUSSION BOARD. THE OTHER THING WOULD BE AND STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS, CREATING SOME KIND OF ROUGH OUTLINE FOR THE ORGANIZATION SIDE OF THIS CODE AND WHERE STUFF NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO BE MATCHING. AND PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS IDENTIFYING WHICH BOARDS SHOULD BE A REALLY STRONG VOICE ON THAT SECTION. AND SO IF WE GET THAT SITUATED AND THAT'S LOCKED IN BY COUNCIL, THERE WILL BE MORE OF A HEADS UP. IT WON'T JUST BE, OH, TODAY WE'RE YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. THERE WILL BE SOME STRUCTURE TO IT. AND SO AT LEAST THE, THE WHEN TO EXPECT IS MORE FOREFRONT THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE'S FEELING LIKE THIS CHAPTER TODAY. SO I'M OPEN TO HOWEVER IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST WAY IS THAT'S EASIEST ACROSS THE BOARD. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. [00:30:01] IF JIM AND I ARE ON. OR LAURA AND JIM AND I. NOPE, THAT WON'T WORK. THAT'S FOR. YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M HEADED. YES, SIR. SO I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION LAST MONTH THAT WHAT COUNCIL WANTED WAS TO PUT A SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER. A FEW OF EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT COMMISSIONING BOARD. YOU ALL WILL BE GOING THROUGH THAT PACKET AS A GROUP AND SPLITTING IT UP. HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKING THE DECISIONS ON HOW TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, WHETHER IT COMES BACK TO US AT ANY POINT IN TIME TO LOOK AT OUR SECTIONS, THAT WOULD BE ALL WE WOULD NEED. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GET TO US ON A DAILY BASIS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT. I BELIEVE IN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. WHEN THE STUFF THAT PERTAINS TO OUR CHAPTERS COMES, AND IF IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US, THAT'S WHEN YOU AND JIM AND LAURA WOULD JUST EITHER GET IT TO US EARLY OR WE GET IT BACK, AND THEN WE DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS LIKE WE ALWAYS DO. BUT I DON'T THINK ON A DAILY, DAY TO DAY BASIS OR AFTER EACH OF YOUR MEETINGS WITH THAT MIXED SUBCOMMITTEE, THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THAT. I'M JUST THAT'S THE WAY I PICTURED IT WHEN I HEARD. YEAH, SO SO THE PLAY WILL FUNDAMENTALLY BE A. IF THINGS GET INTERESTING, I'LL PUT STUFF ON OUR AGENDA. OKAY. JIM. DO YOU THINK IN IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I AND DAVE, WE'VE BEEN ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE GET TO. TO WORKING IN. IT'S NOT. WE GET INTO WE GET INTO JUST DOWNRIGHT KNOCK DOWN, DRAG OUT ARGUMENTS AND, AND LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HEAR IN THE PUBLIC COMMITTEE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE CAN GET INTO THAT? IF I MAY? I THINK THE FIRST AND I, I DON'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, SO PLEASE STEP IN IF I MISS, BUT I. IN A WAY THAT WORKS. SECOND PART THAT HAS YET. TRYING. TO START POLICY SIDE OF THE CHAIN. I AGREE. COUPLINGS SOME. ONE OF THE INTERESTING ISSUES IS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED ORDINANCES WHICH GO TO THE LEVEL OF POLICY, NOT JUST CORRECTING LANGUAGE, MAKING IT WORK, BUT THEY'RE FUNDAMENTAL POLICIES. FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO CHAPTER SIX THAT REQUIRE FOLKS TO MAINTAIN THEIR DRAINAGE DITCH LIKE THEIR SIDEWALK. AND THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S IT. THAT'S A POLICY DEAL. SO THAT'S WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO GET PLUGGED IN. NOW, THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING TOMORROW NIGHT, CHAPTER NINE. WHICH IS THE COUNCIL REFERRAL THAT WE APPROVED THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA TO PASS THE ORDINANCE THAT GIVES US JURISDICTION OVER ABC AND D [00:35:03] WALLACE ORDINANCES. THE ISSUE IS, WILL THAT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE GET TO THAT LEVEL OF LIKE A RED LINE? THE ANSWER, I THINK, IS FROM TONIGHT, MAYBE IF STUFF GETS INTERESTING. WITH ME ON THAT. YES, SIR. I THINK I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST MONTH. BUT TO ME, WHAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE IS THAT THE MIXED SUBCOMMITTEE SPLITS UP THE WORKLOAD. AND IDEALLY YOU WOULD STICK AND STAY CLOSE TO YOUR WHEELHOUSE, SINCE THAT SHOULD MAKE IT GO FAST AND EFFICIENT. AND IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT COMES DOWN, THEN THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION ARE ON IT. SO IT COULD COME BACK TO US AND WE COULD HELP WITH THE WORK AND WORK IT OUT, ALL OUT. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SPLIT THAT UP THAT WAY AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO CONTRIBUTE AND, AND WORK ON ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF GET PUSHED OUT. UNLESS IT COMES BACK TO US. YES. SO. BUT. NOW CHAPTER X, CHAPTER ONE. ALL. THIS. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO. THERE'S SOME DETAILS WHICH I HAVE DONE AND HAVE BEEN IN THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION HAS INDICATED THAT I COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO AMEND THE UNSAFE BUILDING SECTION OF THE OF THE BUILDING OF CHAPTER THREE. STAFF HAS THAT DRAFT. BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME LIMITED WORK WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS A MEMBER, I HAVE DRAFTED AROUND 100 PAGES OF STUFF ASSOCIATED WITH CHAPTER TEN SUBDIVISIONS AND INDICATED THAT THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS HAS GOT TOO MANY RED LINES IN IT, AND THAT THEY OUGHT TO LOOK AT A MODEL ORDINANCE, FOR INSTANCE, CEDAR PARK. I THINK THAT MAY PLAY OUT WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WILL COME BACK HERE. THERE IS A GOOD DEAL IN THIS REALLY IS WHAT I POSTED ONLINE. THAT'S WHY I'M VERBALIZING IT. SO IF YOU GET TO THE BULLETIN BOARD, YOU'LL SEE THIS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POINTS MADE IN BY FRASER NICHOLS THAT ABOUT CONTENT NEUTRAL IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE. WE'VE HAD FOR. DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS TELL US TO INCLUDE THE LAST THE CURRENT ONE THAT OUR SIGN ORDINANCE IS LEGALLY CONTENT NEUTRAL. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I POSTED IN SOME DETAIL. SO YOU'LL OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE? UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER ACTION ON IT FOR THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. MOTION TO ADJOURN DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.