[00:00:01]
          MACHINE ON? YEAH. NO. WE'RE GOOD. I CAN DO THIS. OKAY. COLLEGE GEOLOGY. IT'S 4 P.M. 
          [I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
AND I'M CALLING THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. AND WITH US, WE HAVE DAVE STEWART, NELSON MINYARD, MYSELF, LINDA AIRD, GENE HARRIS AND ANNE CLEATOR. AND JEFF HEALEY IS GOING TO BE JOINING US ON THE GO TO MEETING. AND ENRIQUE LOPEZ IS HAS AN ABSENCE AS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE TODAY. WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO SIGNED UP FOR 
          [II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND WE CAN CALL MR. VAUGHN FORWARD. I YOU DIDN'T SAY IF THIS WAS AGENDA OR NON AGENDA. SO I THINK YOUR NON AGENDA IS THAT CORRECT. I BELIEVE IT'S I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE TREES IT'S NOT AGENDA. OKAY. SO GO AHEAD AND. FIRST OFF IS THIS WORKING TODAY. ALL RIGHT THANKS. SO HAPPILY THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY BUT STILL TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD, WHEN LAST TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING THE. SORRY, I JUST GOT CRAZY NEWS REDUCING THE CALIPER SIZE OF THE TREES DOWN TO SIX INCHES. I HAVE MULTIPLE LOTS IN LAGO VISTA, AND I JUST WENT OUT TO ONE AT RANDOM A FEW DAYS AGO WITH A RULER JUST MEASURED. AND I'D LIKE, IF THIS EVER COMES BACK AS AN ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED, TO KEEP IN CONTEXT THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO WILL ACTUALLY BE AFFECTED. SO EXERCISE A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT. IF EVERY ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE LIVED IN HAS AT SOME POINT HAD TREES REMOVED BEFORE A HOUSE GOT PLACED THERE, THEN ARE YOU COMFORTABLE PAYING $80,000 RETROACTIVELY FOR EVERY HOUSE YOU'VE LIVED IN? BECAUSE ON THIS ONE LOT THAT I'M SPEAKING OF, I COUNTED OVER 32 TREES THAT WERE OVER SIX INCH IN DIAMETER, ACCUMULATIVE, JUST IN THE BUILDABLE AREA, NOT THE 25 FRONT OR THE 25 FOOT BACK SETBACK. JUST THE BUILDABLE AREA, NOT ■THE 15 FOOT ON THE SIDES. IT WAS A CUMULATIVE 344IN TO BE REMOVED, AND IF ALL OF THE JUNIPERS REMOVED, EVEN IN THOSE SETBACKS, IT WOULD BE 48 TREES. I DIDN'T BOTHER MEASURING THOSE. IT'S GOING TO BE OVER 500IN. SO THAT WOULD PUT. OH, AND OF THE 48 TREES, ONLY THREE OF THEM WERE OAKS. THIS PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY $86,000 TO REMOVE THE TREES IN THE BUILDABLE AREA, ONLY 80 K IF YOU KEEP THE OAKS 125 K IF YOU CLEARED THE LOT FULLY. AND I PROMISE IF THAT EVER COMES BACK AND PASSES, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO COME WITH A LAWSUIT. OTHERWISE, THEY'RE ONE OF THE PROTECTED OAKS WAS A TEN INCH AND IT WAS SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. AND IF YOU HAVE A 80 BY 120 LOT AND A 25 FOOT ON EITHER SIDE OF THERE, YOU HAVE 60 ISH 70 FOOT TO BUILD IN. AND IF THE MINIMUM BUILDING SIZE WE CAN HAVE IN LAGO IS 1200 SQUARE FOOT, THERE'S NOWHERE THAT YOU CAN BUILD WITHOUT REMOVING ONE OF THOSE TREES IN THE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S ONLY $2,500, BUT IT'S STILL 2500 MORE DOLLARS. I PERSONALLY WOULD ATTEMPT TO TRANSPLANT, BUT I HAVE EXPERIENCE DOING THAT AND THE EQUIPMENT TO DO IT. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT, AND I THINK IT'S SILLY TO SAY THAT, WELL, WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO REPLACE THAT TREE WITH ANY KIND OF TREE, BUT NOT THE EXISTING JUNIPERS AND OTHER OAKS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE FRONT. THOSE DON'T COUNT. 
          THAT'S WILD. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY REPLACED THE OAKS THAT REMOVES WITH CRAPE MYRTLES. SO I JUST WANT TO PUSH THE IDEA THAT WE NOT MAKE LAWS ABOUT THINGS THAT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY ENFORCE. AND YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S MORE, BUT I'LL STOP. I DON'T WANT TO DRAG IT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. AND, MR. BROWN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOU'VE ASKED TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM. SO WE'LL WE'LL PUT THAT OFF. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON 
          [III.1.  Routine Reports from City staff.]
TO OUR ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE HAVE SOME UPDATES FROM THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO DOWN A MENTAL LIST HERE. SO THE HOTEL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEW PARAMETERS ARE GOING TO BE. THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK OF MITIGATING IMPACTS TO ZERO IMPACTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO CAPTURE 
          [00:05:03]
BEFORE COMING BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE. I HAD A MEETING THIS WEEK WITH THE OWNER AND THEIR ENGINEER. THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT SOMETHING, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN AT A LATER DATE, WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD. 
          I'M TRYING TO. WELL, REGARDING THAT, I THINK I SENT YOU THE NATURE'S POINT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOTEL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AND I THINK IF THEY WERE TO FOLLOW THE NATURE'S POINT ORDINANCE, AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICITY OF EVERY DETAIL AND ALSO ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS IN THAT ORDINANCE, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN IT COMES BACK. THE THE VERY MUCH THE DETAIL ON THAT. SO WHEN THEY HAVE THAT IN DETAIL, I THINK THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO TO BRING IT BACK. SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COMPLETE PICTURE OF, OF EVERYTHING. AND SO THE INTENT IS TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. 
          THERE'S A CERTAIN EXTENT TO WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT IN IT BEFORE WE SEND THEM AN EXAMPLE. BUT IT'S THANK YOU FOR SENDING IT. WE HAVE IT. AND THAT WILL BE A POINT OF OF CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I THINK THOSE WERE THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT ARE FROM COUNCIL. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS, IS COUNCIL BASICALLY SAID WE WANT P AND Z TO HAVE A FULL IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION. AND ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO, SUGGESTED THAT P AND E SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PLAN. 
          NOT EVEN THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S REALLY THE PLAN AND HAVE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF BOTH REVIEW AND INFLUENCE ON THAT PLAN. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE SPIRIT WAS LET'S HAVE A FULL, ROBUST PLANNING AND ZONING DISCUSSION ON THIS AND GET THE GET THE COMMISSION FULLY ENGAGED IN RATHER THAN COUNCIL TRYING TO DO THE ZONING REVIEW ON ITS OWN. BUT HAVE YOU ALL FULLY ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS? WELL, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE NOT DETERMINED WHEN THEY WERE HERE AT PNC. CERTAIN THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS REGARDING THE THE ILA FOR THE ETJ RELEASE OR WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO FOLLOW CITY CODE. AND SO WHEN WE HAD IT HERE AT PNC, THAT HADN'T BEEN DETERMINED. NOW, IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN IT WAS AT COUNCIL IT HAD BEEN DETERMINED. BUT SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE PROCESSED AS A MINOR PLAT, WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING THIS BACK AGAIN. ONCE WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU KNOW, IF WE DO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN COUNCIL MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE COMING BACK TO EITHER PNC OR COUNCIL. SO WE WANT TO BE SURE WHEN WE SEE IT THAT WE SEE EVERYTHING, EVERY DETAIL. SO AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT THERE, TIA HAS GONE THROUGH FOUR ROUNDS OF REVIEW WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. I'M HOPING THIS LAST ONE IS DONE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. I WAS REVIEWING IT DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING AND TRYING TO GAUGE WHERE IT'S AT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE REMAINING COMMENTS ARE NOT MINOR. THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT SOMETHING THAT CAN EASILY BE ADJUSTED. IT WASN'T CALCULATIONS OR THE MATH THAT WENT INTO IT. AND SO I THINK WE MAY HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE AS WELL. AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO HAVING IT COMPLETED. LET'S LET'S NOT HOLD THE HEARING UNTIL IT IS COMPLETED BECAUSE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO IT IN MARCH ANYWAY. WE WON'T, WE DON'T THEY WON'T BE READY AND WE WON'T, WE WON'T BE READY. SO IT EARLIEST WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT WOULD BE APRIL. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE. YOU'RE ON HER COMMENTS I DON'T KNOW I THOUGHT YOU WERE. ARE YOU DONE. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE REALLY, MAJOR. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE NEXT, THE REMAINING BIG CHAPTERS OF INFORMATION ARE ON OUR NEXT MEETING. AT LEAST DISCUSSIONS ON. WE HAVE THE. COUNCIL HAS ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE ADD A USE ZONING TABLE. IT WAS DIRECTED TO STAFF AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON YOUR AGENDA AS WELL. FOR NEXT MONTH, OUR REGULARLY CALLED MEETING. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG STUFF TO ADD A USE TABLE TO ADD A USE TO OUR EXISTING TABLE SO IT DOESN'T EXIST CURRENTLY WE'RE GOING TO ADD IT. THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THAT. AND WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING. BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ZONING NOT THE THE FLUME TYPE OKAY. BECAUSE I DO WANT TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS REALLY CLEAR THAT THE FLUME AND ZONING ARE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YES, IT IS IN THE THE USE TABLE. THAT ORDINANCE IS ALREADY PASSED THROUGH LEGAL AND WE'VE IT'LL IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA OKAY. AND THEN I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING AND IF NOT I'M 
          [00:10:05]
UPDATES AND EMAILS AS WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. BUT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE I THINK 
          [III.2.  Routine Reports from City Council Liaison.]
THAT'S EVERYTHING. OKAY. AND NO, MR. PRINCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORT FROM COUNCIL? NO. NO, I DON'T HAVE OTHER THAN WHAT JORDAN JUST SHARED, BUT I JUST REITERATE THAT FLUME AND MASTER PLAN ARE GOING TO BE HARD JOBS. AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S FAIR TO COMPARE IT TO THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHERE THE WORK ON THE FLUME AND THE MASTER PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPEND SERIOUS AMOUNTS OF TIME ON. AND THAT INCLUDES HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU GET HERE. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAP ASSIGNMENT FOR TONIGHT. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU OVER THE COMING MONTHS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLUME AND MASTER PLAN TO JUST PLAN ON REALLY DEDICATING SOME SIGNIFICANT TIME AHEAD OF THE MEETINGS TO BE READY FOR THE MEETINGS SO THAT DURING MEETINGS WE CAN WE CAN REALLY MAKE PROGRESS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT IT ON THE FLY AT THE MEETINGS. THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, JEAN, YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON MR. PRINCE'S COMMENTS? IT JUST JOGGED MY MEMORY OR MY BRAIN. IS THERE A CHANCE OR IS THERE A WAY TO. 
          PUT THIS? I KNOW IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT FORMAT BECAUSE THE CHARTER IS STRICTLY TEXT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO ADD ANY KIND OF LINE NUMBERING, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ON THIS. SO THAT DOCUMENT WAS BUILT IN INDESIGN, ADOBE INDESIGN, AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. IF WE MOVE IT TO IT'S CALLED ADOBE COPY OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S FOR BOOK REVIEW AND BOOK EDITING. AND SO I THINK THERE MAY BE A WAY TO DO IT. THE GRAPHICS JUST MAY NOT BE CAPTURED. WE CAN LOOK INTO TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE, BECAUSE I JUST KNOW FROM THE EXPERIENCE ON CHARTER REVIEW THAT MADE IT A LOT QUICKER AND EASIER TO REFER TO A LINE NUMBER AND SAYING, WELL, IT'S THE THIRD PARAGRAPH ON THIS PAGE AND IT'S THE THIRD SENTENCE AND. THE OTHER THING, IF RED LINES WANT TO BE IF YOU WANT TO SUBMIT RED LINES OR ANY KIND OF EDITING, TYPICALLY, AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR WE CAN MAKE SENSE OF IN ADVANCE, WE CAN FIND SOME WAY TO COMPILE IT OR MAKE SOME KIND OF NOTES THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THE MEETING. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP AT A STAFF LEVEL. YEAH, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY MY COMMENT. I DIDN'T SAY IT VERY WELL, BUT TO GET INFORMATION TO YOU, LIKE, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I JUST CROSSINGS OUT ON MY COPY AND I END UP WITH A COPY WITH A LOT OF LINES AND ARROWS AND SLASHES ON IT. AND SO TO REDLINE IT TO GIVE TO SOMEBODY, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF THIS. TYPICALLY SPEAKING, AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME SOME UP OR DOWN, WE CAN GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE COMMENTS MAY BE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S SCRATCHED OUT, LET'S TAKE IT OUT. IF THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CONFUSED, WE CAN ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. FAIR ENOUGH. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          [IV.1. Discussion, consideration and possible action regarding the Future Land Use Map and Comprehensive Plan.]
SO MOVING ON TO OUR AGENDA ITEM DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PURPOSE OF THE ITEM WAS TO SOLICIT OUR OUR FEEDBACK ON CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I THINK THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME WHERE I TRIED TO BE. I TRIED TO BE REAL CLEAR AND SPECIFIC. DID YOU DID YOU GET THIS FROM THE OKAY ON SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT? THERE WERE FOUR FEEDBACK AREAS FOR THE COMP PLAN AND THE FLUME AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING AND WHAT THE DETERMINATION POSSIBILITIES WERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEEDED WAS FEEDBACK PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND THAT CONCERNED THE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. JORDAN, DO YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? NO. SO UNFORTUNATELY, JUST I THINK DUE TO GENERAL LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES ACROSS THE BOARD, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ENOUGH MAPS IN TIME TO DO THE ACTIVITY THAT WE HAD INTENDED TO DO. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME TRICKLING IN DURING THE WEEK, AND I THINK NOW WE PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH TO CREATE A MAP, BUT WE DEFINITELY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH CONTENT TO CREATE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL FOR THIS DISCUSSION. SO I THINK THAT THE THE DETERMINATION THAT 
          [00:15:04]
IS KIND OF BEEN MADE IS THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR FROM EVERYBODY SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND DISCUSS AND MAKE A DECISION ON TODAY. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO ON P AND Z REQUIRES DOING WORK AT HOME AND PUTTING IT UP ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD OR BRINGING IT IN LIKE, LIKE LIKE THE MAPS INTO INTO CITY HALL SO THAT IT CAN BE WORKED ON. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO ASK TODAY IS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU GET AN EMAIL, IF YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IT, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU GOT IT. SO WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE RECEIVED IT AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. AND WHEN THERE'S TOPICS THAT ARE POSTED TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD, IF YOU'D, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PUT IN YOUR YOUR COMMENTS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. LINDA, IF I MAY JUST ASK A QUESTION, I KNOW YOU AND GENE HAVE BEEN ON CRC AND VERY ACTIVE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND EMAIL. THE EMAIL THAT I, LINDA, WAS REFERRING TO, SHE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT THAT SHE HAD SENT. SHE SENT IT TO THE CITY. EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASSIGNED, NOT YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON MAKING SURE THAT EACH OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY CHECKING THESE NEW EMAILS YOU'VE GOT THEM TIED INTO. HOWEVER YOU EMAIL, WHETHER IT'S GMAIL OR OUTLOOK OR WHATEVER. BUT BUT I'M HOPING THAT COMMUNICATION THAT USING THE CITY EMAILS WILL NOT BE A BARRIER TO COMMUNICATION. AND THE REASON FOR THE CITY EMAILS IS THAT IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO TRACK THINGS AND DO OPEN RECORDS, REQUESTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND NOT HAVE TO GET INTO YOUR PERSONAL. BECAUSE IF YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS ARE BEING USED FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IN THEORY A CITIZEN NOT IN THEORY, BUT IN FACT A CITIZEN COULD ASK FOR OPEN RECORDS AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO SEARCH YOUR EMAILS AND FIND THINGS THAT WERE PLANNING AND ZONING RELATED. SO I THINK IT'S TO YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT AS WELL AS THE CITY'S, FOR YOU TO BE ACTIVELY AND HABITUALLY USING THIS NEW CITY EMAIL ADDRESS. AND IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, THEN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW AND SEE IF YOU NEED SOME HELP GETTING TO USE IT. BUT I'M HOPING THAT'S THAT'S NOT A BARRIER FOR ANY OF YOU. SO I HAD A QUESTION. HOW MANY MAPS DID YOU GET BACK? ACROSS THE ENTIRE WEEK OR ON THE TUESDAY THAT WE HAD ASKED? BOTH. SO AGAIN, THEY'VE TRICKLED IN. I BELIEVE IT WAS 2 OR 3 THE DAY THAT WE ASKED AS THE DUE DATE. AND THEN SINCE THEN WE'VE GOTTEN AN ADDITIONAL THREE, I THINK 2 OR 3. WELL, IN ANY EVENT, WE DID NOT GET ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE A MAP, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO REALLY HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION TODAY ON THE, ON ON THE MATERIAL. AND SO. WE ARE GOING TO JEAN, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE THE FLUME AT ALL. SO TODAY WE WERE GOING TO DELAY. WE WERE GOING TO JUST NOT HAVE THE MEETING TODAY AND ASK PEOPLE TO DO SOME MORE THOROUGH HOMEWORK. AND WE WILL DEFER THIS MEETING TO ANOTHER DAY WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND MORE HOMEWORK PRESENTED. OKAY, SO JEAN AND I WORKED TOGETHER ON A MAP AND THEN HE ADDED SOME STUFF. SO BASICALLY JEAN'S MAP REPRESENTS MY VIEWPOINT WITH MAYBE 3 OR 4 SMALL MODIFICATIONS. AND ONE THING I NOTICED WAS THAT THE WHITE PLAIN MAP DIDN'T EVEN CONTAIN THE ENTIRE AREA OF THE CURRENT FLUME MAP. THERE WAS A CORNER CUT OFF WHICH I WASN'T EXPECTING, WHICH IS WHY I DID MY MARKUP BACK UP ON THE ORIGINAL FLUME MAP, WHICH I BROUGHT WITH ME. AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I SET IT IN THE LAST MEETING IS THAT I'M VERY MATHEMATICAL. I LOOK AT THINGS THROUGH A MATHEMATICIANS EYES AND I ASKED THAT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHAT WAS 
          [00:20:02]
CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AND SECOND, WHAT WAS ADDED TO THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WASN'T IN THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I CAN MAKE MY ANALYSIS FROM THAT, BECAUSE THIS THING RIGHT HERE HAS AN AWFUL LOT OF FLUFF IN IT, AND THE CRITICAL INFORMATION IS HIDDEN. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT FLUFF OUT THERE FOR. THE PERMANENT RECORD, I WANT TO WORK ON THE DATA THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ANALYZING WITHOUT HAVING TO EXTRACT IT FROM THE FLUFF. DAVE, THE THE THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AVAILABLE. SO, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING COMP PLAN AND YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE COMP PLAN CHAPTERS THAT ARE BEING REWRITTEN. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF A THING THAT YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO WORK ON AT HOME. OKAY. SO SOMEBODY IS WRITING THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDING CHANGES. SO IF I TRY TO COMPARE THE TWO AND I MISS A CHANGE AND SOMETHING SLIPS THROUGH, THAT'S NOT TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITIZENS. I THINK THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE CHANGES KNOWS WHAT CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE. WHY CAN WE NOT BE TOLD WHAT CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW THEM? WELL, I GUESS I WOULD ANSWER THAT BY GIVING THE EXAMPLE OF THE REWRITING OF THE CHARTER. WHEN WE REWROTE THE CHARTER, THINGS WERE WERE DONE SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AN EXACT WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT CHARTER AND JUST REDLINE AND, AND MAKE AND MAKE CHANGES IN THE ORDER THAT THE EXISTING CHARTER WAS IN. WE COMBINED THINGS, WE COMBINED CHAPTERS, WE COMBINED IT WASN'T WHERE WE HAD THIS EXACT DOCUMENT, AND NOW WE CAN COMPARE IT WITH THIS, WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE COUNCIL'S CHALLENGE A LOT HARDER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING EXACT TO COMPARE IT TO. THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT AS A WHOLE AND READ IT AND AND DETERMINE IF IT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY I SEE WHAT WHAT OUR JOB IS TO TAKE THE COMP PLAN AS IT'S BEING WRITTEN, AS IT'S BEING WRITTEN AND SAY, DOES THIS HAVE IN IT WHAT WE WANT IN IT? AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHY I, I, I OFFERED EVERYBODY THESE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT TO FOCUS ON THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, LAYOUT, STRUCTURE, CONCEPT AND TERMS. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON. AND IF THESE MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THESE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE THAT IS MISSING, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO BRING THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION. 
          DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? JORDAN? YES, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, STAFF WAS NOT ASKED TO REWRITE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF WAS ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE THAT WORKED ON IT, THE BOARDS AND IT ALL PUT THEIR INPUT. WE WERE ASKED TO REORGANIZE IT TO MAKE IT CLEANER, TO REMOVE A LOT OF THE FLUFF THAT HALF HAD PRESENTED, BUT NOT TO GET RID OF THE INTENT OF IT. AND SO. IT'S NOT A REWRITE FROM THE FIRST ONE. IT'S MAKING HALVES A BETTER DRAFT THAT FITS OUR CITY. BUT THE HALF THE HALF COMP PLAN IS A NEW COMP PLAN COMPARED TO THE EXISTING ONE. SO WHAT STAFF WAS DOING IS THEY WERE TAKING FEEDBACK. BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT DAVE IS ASKING FOR IS HOW DOES THE NEW COMP PLAN THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED? HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WORD FOR WORD OR CONCEPT FOR CONCEPT WITH THE EXISTING ONE? AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF DIDN'T TAKE THAT EXISTING COMP PLAN AND JUST MAKE RED LINE CHANGES TO. AND THAT WAS ALSO NOT THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO STAFF. RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH CONCEPT OR RED LINE CHANGES, THEN BASICALLY THIS IS LIKE A CLEANED UP REVISED SECOND EDITION. WITH THAT, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE BETWEEN ADOPTING THE SECOND ONE. IT WOULD JUST BE A CLEANER VERSION OF THE FIRST ONE, AND THE STATUS QUO WOULD REMAIN. IF I MAY. YEAH. CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? SO COLLECTIVELY, ALL OF THE BOARDS HAD MADE COMMENTS ON HALF'S VERSION. AND SO IT WAS A TWO PART SITUATION. IT WAS CLEAN IT UP, GET IT ORGANIZED, REMOVE FLUFF. THAT'S ONE SIDE OF IT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WAS WE HAVE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THIS INFORMATION IN THESE 
          [00:25:03]
COMMENTS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THESE BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO RECOMMEND IT FOR ADOPTION. WE HAD COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. WE HAD COMMENTS FROM THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. WE HAD COMMENTS FROM PNC AT THE TIME. AND SO IT'S A TWO PART THING, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO GET IT REORGANIZED AND HAVE IT ACCURATELY REFLECT US AS A CITY AND NOT JUST SOME COOKIE CUTTER PLAN THAT A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT CREATED. GENE. YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH IT AND MADE A LOT OF SLASHES AND ARROWS AND CIRCLED THINGS AND MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS. SO TO PREPARE FOR THIS EVENING. SO THEN I GUESS MY PLAN WILL BE TO I'M GOING TO SCAN ALL THIS STUFF AND PLOP IT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S JUNK OR MAYBE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. SO TO NOT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING TONIGHT IS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WE'RE A WASTED EVENING. WELL, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS TALK ABOUT THESE CHAPTERS AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF CHAPTERS AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IN MARCH. SO WHEN WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION WHERE A FLUME CAN BE PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, A DRAFT FLUME. AND WHEN WE FEEL LIKE PEOPLE HAVE REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVE IT BE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND TALK BACK AND FORTH. WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON AT MEETINGS IS EVERYBODY HAS GOT SOME SPECIFIC IDEAS, AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER AND MAKE FINAL DECISIONS. 
          BUT MR. PRINCE, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IN MY MIND, TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF YOU BROUGHT CONCRETE THINGS IN AND GENE, USING YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID YOU HAD LOTS OF LINES AND ARROWS AND SQUIGGLES AND CIRCLES. IF YOU HAVE ANY LIKE BIG TAKEAWAYS AND THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, WELL, HERE'S A THREE THINGS OR THE SIX THINGS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION. BUT BUT TO JUST KIND OF WORK OUR WAY THROUGH AD HOC WITHOUT REALLY SPECIFIC HOMEWORK AHEAD OF TIME, IT WILL BE PRETTY DIFFICULT. I THINK EVERYONE WILL FIND IT FRUSTRATING THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND LACK OF PROGRESS, IF THAT'S THAT'S THE APPROACH. SO I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST, LINDA, THAT IF ANY FOLKS TONIGHT HAVE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT IN AROUND, AROUND THE OUTLINE THAT STAFF HAS SUGGESTED OR THE OR, YOU KNOW, MAJOR POINTS OF THEIR ANALYSIS OF THE FLUME THAT THEY WANT TO BRING, THEN IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO TO DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY SHOULD BE BASED ON HOMEWORK THAT WAS DONE AHEAD OF TIME, NOT OFF THE CUFF TONIGHT. WELL, THEN WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING IT TONIGHT AND AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THE SAME THINGS TONIGHT AND AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. AND I MEAN, THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IN THE CHARTER REVIEW AS WELL. RIGHT. 
          BUT BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN NOT REPEAT THE SAME COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE TONIGHT IN THE NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY GET SUMMARIZED AGAIN OR SOMETHING, BUT LET'S NOT HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION EVERY MEETING. BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY AN EXAMPLE. IF SOMEBODY SAID, OKAY, I LOOKED AT THE EXISTING FLUME AND I THINK THIS AREA ON 1431 SHOULD BE THIS KIND OF FUTURE LAND USE, NOT WHAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN. SO I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. LIKE LIKE YOU ALL TO TO CONSIDER THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT AND, AND TEED UP, IF YOU WILL, FOR FOR GOOD DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AS WELL AS IN THE NEXT NEXT SESSION TO HELP AT ALL. LINDA. OKAY. WELL, WE WON'T BE GETTING WE WON'T BE MAKING ANY DETERMINATIONS TODAY OR ANY MOTIONS. SO WE WILL JUST BE HAVING A JUST A GENERAL. YEAH. WHICH, WHICH THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO DECIDE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THIS ONE THING I THOUGHT THAT WORKED REALLY WELL ON CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS IN THIS MASSIVE DOCUMENT, YOU ALL BROKE IT DOWN AND SAID ON THIS SPECIFIC PARAGRAPH, THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC, LET'S MAKE A MOTION AND LET'S DECIDE ON THAT. 
          SO YOU PROBABLY IN THE IN EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE COMING BACK WITH A SINGLE DOCUMENT, MUCH LIKE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE, YOU PROBABLY HAD, I DON'T KNOW, 50 OR 75 MOTIONS AND VOTES ALONG THE WAY SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE BABY STEPS AND MAKE PROGRESS. AND THAT'S PROBABLY, 
          [00:30:03]
YOU KNOW, A GOOD MODEL FOR HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN BE MOVED FORWARD IN THIS DISCUSSION HERE. WELL, ONE THING THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS HAVE JUST KIND OF A LONG DISCUSSION THAT REALLY DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, LIKE AT THE LAST MEETING. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE IDEA OF GETTING THESE VERY SPECIFIC, VERY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK AREAS IDENTIFIED AND MOTIONS TO BE MADE IDENTIFIED. SO IT IS THE CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. 
          SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HAS BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AND READY TO BE PRESENTED. THEN WE WILL DO THAT. GENE, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTIONS, BUT THE FORM HERE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT THAT WAS TO BE COMPLETED AND SENT IN AHEAD OF TIME. I JUST WASN'T IT WASN'T. OKAY. WELL, ALL RIGHT, SO I DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS OR WANT TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS. I MEAN, JUST SOME GENERAL STUFF. OKAY. I WOULD JUST ASK. WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS. TO MY EYE, TO MY BRAIN, I FOUND A LOT OF REPETITIVE WORDING AND I WENT THROUGH ON PAGE 14 SPECIFICALLY GOT RID OF ABOUT HALF OF THE WORDING AND I THINK IT WOULD STILL WORK AND KIND OF DID THE SAME THING ON PAGE 15. AND THEN ALSO THE THE BIG PICTURES AT THE BEGINNING. MY SUGGESTION, LOOK AT THOSE. DO WE REALLY NEED THAT? THE COMMENT THAT I, THAT I MADE AND ONCE ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT I'M NOT TAKING A POKE AT ANYBODY'S WORK BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG JOB FOR ANYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN IT. BUT TO ME, THIS LOOKS LIKE A COLOR GLOSSY SALES PITCH BROCHURE AS OPPOSED TO A WORKING DOCUMENT TO GIVE TO THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT INFORMATION. 
          AND I THAT WAS I ONE OF MY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL ONE. IT'S JUST YOU GOT THIS SLICK DOCUMENT WITH A LOT OF STUFF IN IT, 200 PAGES OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND THEY COULD HAVE BOILED IT DOWN TO 40 OR 50 PAGES MAYBE, OR WHATEVER. SO JUST JUST LOOK FOR REPETITIVE WORDING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF IT IN THERE. WELL, I WOULD GO WITH THE SAME THING IS THAT I THINK THERE'S WAY TOO MANY PICTURES AND NOT ENOUGH DATA AND REFERENCE HAS BEEN MADE THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AND INPUTTED AND MADE COMMENTS. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ME IF I COULD SEE WHAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE, BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE IDENTIFYING SOME TYPE OF DEFECT, OR WE WOULDN'T BE REVIEWING THIS RIGHT NOW. IF I KNEW WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THEN I COULD DECIDE IF IT WAS ADDRESSED. BUT THIS AIN'T MY AREA OF EXPERTISE AND I NEED I NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TO STEER ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I MEAN, IT'S THERE HAS TO BE A REASON WE'RE HERE AND IT'S WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE. I JUST WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO THAT. WELL, WE'RE ASKED TO GIVE OUR FEEDBACK ON THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED. GREAT. MY FEEDBACK IS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL REFERENCES TO, TO COMPARE IT AGAINST, TO SAY WHETHER IT WAS DONE RIGHT OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEFECTS WERE IN THE FIRST DOCUMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS ON TRACK TO CORRECT THEM. IS THERE A CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? JEFF. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS NOT JUST MAKING AN UPDATE TO A PAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE DOING A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. JEFF, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER, PLEASE? YES. I'LL TRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? A LITTLE BETTER. OKAY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO UPDATE AN EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE CREATING A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO AND SO YEARS, WE CREATE A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IDEALLY THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE PAST, BUT THERE SHOULD ALSO BE SOME BREAKAWAYS. AND WE'RE NOT JUST WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          [00:35:01]
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE AN IMPROVED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BASED ON WHAT OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE AND WHAT WE VIEW FOR THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, THOSE WHAT WE VIEW FOR THE FUTURE CAN CHANGE AS WELL. AND AS FAR AS DETAILS, MAYBE MISS STROHMEYER, YOU COULD HELP WITH THIS PART, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THE DETAILS WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN THE APPENDIX. SO THE INFORMATION IS THERE AND PEOPLE CAN REFERENCE IT WHEN THEY WANT IT, BUT THEY CAN ALSO GO THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF THE DOCUMENT AND GET THE GIST OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN RIGHT THERE. 
          GET THE THE MAIN PARTS OF IT. BUT IF THEY WANT TO GO IN FOR MORE DETAIL, IT WILL BE IN THE LATER PART. AND THOSE PARTS HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED TO US YET BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TAKING THIS A COUPLE OF CHAPTERS AT A TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. I HOPE YOU COULD HEAR ME. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JEFF AND MR. PRINCE, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY SO. THERE ARE THREE OF YOU, MISS AIRD, MR. HARRIS AND MR. HUGHLEY, WHO CARRY OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND SO WHAT ENDED UP MY MEMORY OF THE WAY THIS WENT WAS WE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNCIL SET UP TO WORK WITH. HALF ON THIS PLAN. THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING ALSO WAS A STOP ALONG THE WAY FOR THE PLAN, BEFORE IT WAS THEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. AND WHAT COUNCIL HEARD FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS THEY BARELY TALKED TO US. AND WHAT WE DID TELL THEM, THEY DIDN'T PUT IN THE PLAN. SO WE DON'T ENDORSE THIS PLAN AT ALL. WHAT WE HEARD FROM PLANNING AND ZONING WAS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH HALF. WE DON'T ENDORSE THIS PLAN AT ALL. AND AND SO WHAT WE AS COUNCIL SAID IS, OKAY, LET'S STEP BACK AND LET'S ASK PLANNING AND ZONING TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE ZONING SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, WORK WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES MAKE CITY MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. AND THAT ALIGNS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE THE FEEDBACK. THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WAS GOOD THAT THEY DID WAS THEY GATHERED A LOT OF DATA. AND SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE WHAT THEY PUBLISHED, THERE'S A LOT OF SURVEYS AND TOWN HALLS AND MEETINGS. SO THERE'S RAW DATA IN THERE. BUT WHAT WHAT I, AS COUNCIL MEMBER, HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANNING SEVEN PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS, THREE OF WHICH ARE STILL WITH US HERE, AND THE PREVIOUS CITIZEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS THEY WROTE THIS FOR A TOWN THAT IS NOT LAGO VISTA. AND SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO TAKE THAT DATA TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. TAKE WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT LAGO VISTA, AND FACTOR IN WHAT WE HAD AS OUR PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WORK WITH STAFF AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR LAGO VISTA. AND SO. SO, MR. STEWART, I'LL SAY, COMPARING IT FOR THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS WHO SPENT SOME REAL TIME ON THIS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHO SPENT SOME REAL TIME ON IT. THEY SAID WHAT HALF PUBLISHED IS SO FAR OFF, WE THINK IT'S NOT USABLE. SO I THINK COMPARING TO THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT WE NEED. I THINK BASELINING AGAINST WHAT WE'VE HAD AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE LAST 8 TO 10 YEARS AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR CITY NOW AND WHAT HALF GATHERED AS INPUT DATA, THAT'S THE BEST WE'VE GOT FOR FOR INPUT STAFF IS NOT TRYING TO WRITE SOMETHING AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS HELP YOU BECAUSE AS YOUR ASSIGNMENT, NOT STAFF'S ASSIGNMENT, REALLY YOUR ASSIGNMENT FROM COUNCIL IS TO START WITH A TOP DOWN AND SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN HERE. AND SO JORDAN AND STAFF HAVE, I THINK, BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF SAYING, OKAY, WE THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE CATEGORIES. 
          WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD OUTLINE, THE FLUFF. RIGHT. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS OUTLINE? ARE WE CLOSE OR DO WE NEED TO RADICALLY CHANGE IT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A SIMPLE EXERCISE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD BASELINE. AND HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. I WELCOME ESPECIALLY THE THREE OF YOU WHO WERE ON PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE, TO CHIME IN ON THAT, ADD COLOR COMMENTARY OR DISAGREE. IF YOU IF YOU THINK APPROPRIATE. JORDAN DID YOU AND IF I MAY JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT. WE LIKE TEXT. WE LIKE DATA, WE LIKE THAT INFORMATION. BUT THERE'S ALSO AN EXTENT TO WHICH THIS NEEDS TO APPEAL AND BE READABLE BY AN AVERAGE PERSON WHO HAS NO IDEA IF ANYTHING, ABOUT THIS CITY I. AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I WORK IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I ALWAYS READ A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE I MOVE TO A CITY. ALWAYS IT. YOU KNOW IT. IT TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT THE CITY. IT TELLS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT TO EXPECT. IT TALKS ABOUT SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO THERE'S AN ASPECT OF THIS THAT NEEDS TO TRANSLATE 
          [00:40:05]
FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS OR DOES ALL THE WAY TO US, WHO ARE VERY TECHNICAL BEINGS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS KIND OF THING. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM AND OUR WELCOMING FEEDBACK AT EVERY POINT DURING THIS PROCESS. WE IT'S Y'ALL'S PLAN. IT'S THE CITY'S PLAN. IT'S NOT STAFF'S. I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE ALL OF THESE INFORMATION POINTS, MUSH THEM TOGETHER IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, AND PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT'S EASY FOR THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE ACROSS THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND IT AND WANT TO READ IT AND TAKE THE INFORMATION AS HELP. RIGHT. AND WHAT I WOULD ADD AS FAR AS DOING SOME HOMEWORK AND AND DAVE, TO YOUR POINT, LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE IN IT, SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT COMMENTS TO MAKE. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID IS I LOOKED AT GEORGETOWN, JONESTOWN, SAN MARCOS, MARBLE AND MARBLE FALLS. I LOOKED AT THEIR COMP PLANS AND THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAPS AND AND THAT WILL IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE KIND OF CLOSE TO US AND SIMILAR TO US, AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR COMP PLANS, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF LIKE, OH, WHAT? MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD PUT IN OR MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULDN'T PUT IN, BUT IT GIVES YOU A BROADER BACKGROUND ON WHAT COMP PLANS TYPICALLY LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THEY TYPICALLY INCLUDE. AND ALSO AS FAR AS CATEGORIES, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF OUR TOPICS IS DO WE HAVE TOO MANY? DO WE HAVE NOT ENOUGH? WHAT WHAT ABOUT HOW OUR FLUID CATEGORIES DO THEY MAKE SENSE? LET'S LOOK AT SOME OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES COMPARE THEIR LAND MASS AND THEIR THEIR AMOUNT OF WATER AND AND THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY HAVE WITH WHAT, WHAT OUR CITY IS LIKE. SO I FOUND THAT VERY HELPFUL AND TO USE TO DO THAT. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS FAR AS BACKGROUND, WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO COME UP WITH FOR, FOR SUGGESTIONS IS WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE ADDED OR SUBTRACTED FROM THE FROM THE DRAFT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BY HALF? SO AGAIN, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO END UP WITH ANOTHER MEETING LIKE WE LIKE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE WE DON'T HAVE DECISIONS MADE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR ALL OUR FUTURE MEETINGS, WE REALLY WANT TO COME TO DECISIONS ON EVERY POINT THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO OR IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, TO DEFER THEM FOR A GOOD, SOLID REASON. AND SO I WOULD SAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, THAT WHAT'S GOING TO LEAD US TO MAKING A MOTION THAT WE SHOULD ADJOURN THE MEETING NOW, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WOULD WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. MR. BROWN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? I WOULD APPRECIATE THE CHANCE, BUT I THERE'S THERE'S NOT COHESIVE ENOUGH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF NO ONE ELSE WILL MAKE A MOTION, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN AND THAT WE RESUME OUR DISCUSSION OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE CATEGORIES TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IN MARCH. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION, LINDA, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU CLOSE ON THAT, I MIGHT SUGGEST YOU MADE SOME GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT KIND OF BACKGROUND READING MATERIAL. SO A GOOD IF YOU MIGHT, IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO START ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD ON ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, THE EXAMPLE CHARTER OR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE LOOKED AT AND MAYBE POST THEM UP THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN READ THOSE. AND THEN IF THERE ARE OTHER DISCUSSION BOARD TOPICS TO REALLY TRY TO GET THAT JUMP STARTED, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT ACTIVELY USING THE DISCUSSION BOARD, YOU ALL WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY MOVE FORWARD ON THIS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY. THAT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE FOR US IN IN DOING THE CHARTER REVIEW, IT REALLY WAS BECAUSE WE WE GOT OUR IDEAS OUT THERE AND WE COULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THEM AND, AND COMMENT ON THEM BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT TO THE MEETING AND MADE THE MEETINGS MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT. SO, OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO, TO DAVE'S POINT ABOUT NOT YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE OR NOT, MAYBE UNDERSTANDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISN'T LAW, IT'S BASICALLY GUIDANCE THAT DEFINES THE INTENT BEHIND WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE ZONING AND IN THE CODE AND IN THE ORDINANCE. THOSE ARE LIKE THE RULES. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR THOSE RULES. IF THERE'S A QUESTION, IS THAT ACCURATE? JORDAN. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAD A SECOND. AND ALL IN FAVOR I 
          [00:45:03]
ANY NAYS OKAY THEN IT'S UNANIMOUS. WE ARE ADJOURNING AT 4:
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.