Apr 08, 2026 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[* This meeting has been joined in progress *]

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YOU, IF YOUR LIGHT STAYS ON, YOU ONLY NEED TO PUSH ONCE. IF IT DOESN'T, YOU NEED TO HOLD IT BACK. YEP. YEAH. YES. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE. NOW. HELLO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST TIME

[V.1. Bowden Point Park Accessible Art and Garden Walkway]

AND I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT THAT I WENT BACK TO OUR GROUP AND WE TALKED AGAIN ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND WE THINK IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO GET FUNDING THROUGH THE TREE FUND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR A WALKWAY AND A SWING SET. SO WHAT YOU SEE, THE MAP HERE IS OF THE OFFICIAL OR THE THE WALKWAY ITSELF. WE HAVE A BRIDGE FOOTBRIDGE WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THAT. THIS IS MORE WE HAD TALKED TO WE HAD TALKED TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR AT BUDGET TIME, AND THEY INDICATED THAT UNTIL WE HAD A BETTER PLAN AND IT NEEDED TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE. THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FUND IT UNTIL THAT TIME. SO WE HAVE OUR PLAN NOW. IT IS ADA ACCESSIBLE, AND WE ALSO DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO TRY THAT SWING SET. AND BECAUSE THE TREES ARE TOO LOW, WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE SUNSHINE. SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A SHADED SWING SET. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FIGURES, THEY'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT. A TOTAL OF 78,780 FOR THE WALKWAY. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3000 BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO ADD IN THE WALKWAY TO MAKE THE SWING SET ACCESSIBLE. SO THAT'S 3000 OVER AND ABOVE THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE, WHICH IS A BIT OVER AND ABOVE THE VERY ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FROM A YEAR AGO. SO THAT WAS A YEAR AGO. IT WAS AROUND 45,000. SO. WE'RE AT 78,780 FOR THE WALKWAY. THEN WE HAVE THE UNSHADED SWING SET, WHICH IS 17,213. AND IF WE GET THE SHADED SWING SET, WHICH I REALLY THINK IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, I I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD PURSUE AN UNSHADED SWING SET. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A GRAND TOTAL OF 110,000, $5.28. AND I WILL SAY THAT CITY COUNCIL MIGHT NOT BALK AT THAT AT THIS TIME. WE ALREADY HAVE $9,000 APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY FOR THE FOOTBRIDGE. THEY APPROVED THE FOOTBRIDGE AND NOT THE REST OF THE WALKWAY. SO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE. BUT SO THIS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK WE'RE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK. WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO

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AND BECAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, A 2.2 ACRE AREA, BECAUSE THE TWO PARCELS AGAIN, IT QUALIFIES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS SOMETHING JUST UNDER $1 MILLION IN THAT FUND. AND THERE IS AT THIS POINT NO DETERMINATION AS TO HOW TO USE THAT. SPECIFICALLY. THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL LAST WEEK, AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE NEED TO PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL TREES UP AT CEDAR BREAKS, BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE SOME CLEARING OF LATE. AND SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR USE OF THAT FUND. ALTHOUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, MR. RIOS, INDICATED THAT THEY AT LEAST HAD THE CAPACITY TO BEGIN THAT PROJECT, SO THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. BUT AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO ALLOCATION FOR THE FUNDS AT THE YET, AND SO IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL. AND. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR ANYTHING.

CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION, IF I MAY. I JOINED LATE, I WAS IN A MEETING AND HAD TO GET ON LATE. YEAH. COUNCIL I TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA AND I HAD PROBABLY ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER SOCIALIZED, POTENTIALLY USING

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OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, DAVID PRESENTED THE PLANS THAT HE HAD HAD THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DEVELOP FOR DAWN CIRCLE PARK OR 4TH OF JULY CIRCLE PARK, FROM THE VERY KIND OF LOW LEVEL UP TO THE TWO POINT PLUS MILLION DOLLAR VERSION. AND COUNCIL BASICALLY RESPONDED VERY POSITIVELY. IF WE COULD TAKE AN ITERATIVE APPROACH, GO BACK AND TELL US, GIVE US A PHASE PLAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ROUND NUMBERS LIKE $100,000 TO GET A PHASE ONE DONE THAT WOULD THEN SUPPORT AND BE PLANNED OUT AND MAPPED OUT TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PHASING FOR DAWN CIRCLE PARK. SO I WAS HEARTENED PERSONALLY, BECAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT FOR PARKS AND LET'S DO MORE CITY PARKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW THAT THERE'S THAT OPENNESS NOW TO BEGIN TO INVEST FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, I CAN'T NO, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE FOR COUNCIL OR SPEAK FOR COUNCIL. WOULD THEY CHOOSE ONE OVER THE OTHER OF THESE TWO? SO THE ZERO SUM QUESTION IS AN ACT, YOU KNOW, A GOOD ONE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH WOULD TAKE PRECEDENT IN COUNCIL'S MIND OR WOULD THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO FUND BOTH. BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF ASKING THE QUESTION DOESN'T HURT TO ASK. AND LET'S SEE WHICH ONE OF THESE. BUT OBVIOUSLY, COUNCIL WOULD RELY VERY MUCH ON PRAC RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION. SORRY. AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE SWING SET. I DON'T SEE A FENCE. WE DO NOT HAVE A FENCE. IT IS NOT AN ADA REQUIREMENT. IT IS NOT A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. WE ALSO DO NOT HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE WALKWAY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT REACH 15FT WITHIN 15FT OF THE ROADWAY. AND HOW COMFORTABLE IS KEY LARGO VISTA? BEAUTIFUL. HOW COMFORTABLE ARE THEY? IF A KID RUNS OUT FROM THAT SWING SET INTO TWO VERY BUSY ROADS, WE WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE HAVE NOT SEEN. YES, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING THERE. AND YOU'RE ON RECORD. YOU'RE OKAY TO GO ON RECORD WITH THAT? I WOULD GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, NO, I DON'T WANT ANY CHILDREN RUNNING OUT IN THOSE BUSY STREETS. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE THE POINT IS A SAFE ENOUGH PLACE THAT FENCING IS NOT REQUIRED. AND IT'S ALSO NOT A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY DISAGREE THAT THE SAFETY AND KIDS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT THAT. I'M NOT SAYING ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE WE WOULDN'T DREAM OF PUTTING UP A FENCE THERE. CERTAINLY NOT. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS I SAY, WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU ALL. OKAY. BUT SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR A FENCE, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY GET THAT DONE. I WOULD CONCUR WITH HIM TO JUST FOR BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH WE ARE GROWING. AND THEN AND DOWN THE LINE, THERE MIGHT BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. SO I DO CONCUR THAT PERHAPS REVISITING THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO REALLY REVIEW THAT. AND I LIKE THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU PRESENTED IN TERMS OF MAYBE PRESENTING THE PROJECT IN PHASES, PERHAPS TRYING TO SUPPORT BOTH DON CIRCLE AND THIS PROJECT. JUST TO CHIME IN ON THAT, ON THE FENCING. DAVID, ISN'T THAT A NATIONAL PARK REQUIREMENT? SO THE IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND A PLAYGROUND AT A PARK.

HOWEVER, VERY EARLY IN THE DOCUMENT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAYGROUND HANDBOOK, ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS THAT IT COVERS IS SITE CONDITIONS AND SITE CONSIDERATIONS. AND. AND ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT IT POINTS TO IS, IS FENCING, IF NECESSARY. UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE. SO THAT REALLY IS A, A JUDGMENT CALL. MY. IN FACT, LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM HERE, THE LOCATION, THE, THE NEW LOCATION FOR THE SWING SET IS COMPARED TO THE OLD ACTUALLY COMES UP TO A PLACE THAT'S NARROWER STILL THAN THE PREVIOUS LOCATION. THE DISTANCE IS FROM THE STREET IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO FROM. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I WOULD RECOMMEND FENCING ONLY BECAUSE IT'S YARDS FROM SIGNIFICANTLY TRAVELED STREETS. BUT AGAIN, I

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WELL IT SOUNDS DAWN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY UNANIMOUS THAT WE THINK IT NEEDS A FENCE. I THINK IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS. BUT I MEAN, I'D PROBABLY PACK THIS. IF YOU'VE GOT A FENCE THERE. I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE. I, I JUST WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AS I'VE SEEN THAT AREA AS WELL. PEOPLE DRIVE PRETTY FAST AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED SO FAR. BUT THE LIABILITY THE CITY WOULD TAKE ON ALL IT TAKES IS ONE. IT JUST TAKES ONE. AND AND A KID RUNNING AFTER A DOG OR WHATEVER, IT JUST TAKES ONE. AND SO I WOULD BE NERVOUS TO NOT TO SEE SOMETHING GO IN THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, BE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT AND I ALSO WANTED TO CONFIRM THE AMOUNT IN THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. DID I HEAR 1 MILLION? WAS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY. OKAY. SO OKAY, SO MY, MY TAKE ON IT IS COUNCIL IS WILLING TO LET US ACCESS THOSE FUNDS IF THEY'RE OPENING THE DOOR TO USING FOR BIDEN PARK, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OPEN TO. AND IN MY MEMORY FOR OTHER PARKS. SO THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A POSITIVE SIGN TO SEE THAT MAYBE WE COULD DEVELOP OTHER PARKS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT CALEB'S DOING WITH BODEN POINT. BUT IN MY MIND, IT'S LIKE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH FOCUS ON THE ONE PARK, RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO SPREAD THE FUNDS. IT NEEDS TO GO TO OTHER PARTS OF TOWN. OKAY? OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN UTILIZE PARKS AND DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF FACILITIES. WE HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM THE BASEBALL FOLKS HOW THEY'RE LACKING IN FUNDS. THEY NEED HELP. IT CAN'T JUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME PLACE. SO I HAVE THIS IN MIND A LITTLE BIT WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH IS GONE INTO THIS PARK, IT'S GREAT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M LIKE, OKAY, FOLKS, OKAY, BUT THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST ADA ACCESSIBLE WOULD BE AN ART WALK.

IT WOULD BE THE GARDEN WALK, AND THIS WOULD BE THE END OF, YOU KNOW, BODEN POINT. THIS WOULD BE KIND OF THE CROWNING GLORY. SO, ANDREW, IF I MAY, I AGREE WITH CAROLINE IN TERMS OF I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GREAT. I HAVE NO ISSUE IF THE MONEY IS NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM EXPANDING OTHER PARKS, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE NEED ANOTHER PARK. I AGREE, I AGREE YOU HAVE THIS ON ON YOUR SEAT. YOU WILL SEE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN. WE ARE WOEFULLY UNDERSERVED IN TERMS OF ACREAGE AND THE. THE AMOUNT OF. RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND IT WOULD BE. I AGREE IT WOULD BE NICE TO EXPAND ANOTHER PARK SOMEWHERE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE. WE HAVE WHAT, 36 ACRES OF PARKS AND 22 ARE SUNSET. SO I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE FOR THE REST OF THE PARKS? SO YEAH, SO, SO TO EXPAND ON THAT, IT'S BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WE HAVE SUCH A SHORTFALL OF ACREAGE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR MINDS, IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON EXPANDING THE PARKS AND DOING MORE FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. AND THIS IS WHERE

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IT'S ALL BEEN WORK AND LABOR DONE BY KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST BEEN AWESOME AND BEAUTIFUL. AND BY THE WAY, I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING IN TERMS OF FUTURE DOLLARS, YOU KNOW? NO, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT I WOULD HATE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, OH, CAN WE HAVE THIS? AND THEY'D SAY, YES, AND THAT'S THE END OF PARK MONEY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FEAR. THAT IS NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT. COUNCIL.

THAT'S THE FEAR. WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT AFTER THAT MEETING, WHICH IS REALLY ONE REASON I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT COMING HERE TONIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING, I, I JUST IT WASN'T JUST COUNCILOR BENEFIELD WHO SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR PARKS PLAN.

I MEAN, THE WHOLE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WENT ALONG WITH YOUR PLAN, YOUR IDEA FOR PLANNING. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT INCREMENTALLY. HEY, LET'S BOW OUT. AND POINT IS PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO. WE CAN DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THEN, HEY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ANNUAL 4TH OF JULY PARK. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE GET, GET THE BALL ROLLING, GET THE BALL ROLLING, GET MOVING ON THIS AND START BUILDING THOSE PARKS. SO, SO I THINK IN CONCLUSION, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET A FENCE AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR BOTTOM LINE, WE'RE GOING TO BACK IT. IF IT STARTS AFFECTING WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS A COMMITTEE OR DAVID WANTS TO DO IN DEVELOPING ANOTHER PARK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RECONSIDER THAT. OKAY. WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. SERIOUSLY. WE'LL GET THE FENCE. YEAH. MARK, COULD YOU GIVE US A MASTER PLAN UPDATE, PLEASE? YEAH,

[V.2. Parks Master Plan Update]

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MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, EXACTLY. OH YEAH I DO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GLEAN THE USEFUL DATA FROM THE HALF PLAN AND BASICALLY DISCARD THE STUFF THAT IS PIPE DREAMS. IN TERMS OF RAW NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY OUT THERE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO A A CURRENT CITY OWNED PARKLAND MAP. THIS MAP FROM THE HALF PLAN IS EXTREMELY MISLEADING. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE IS A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AROUND BALCONIES.

YEAH. PLEASE HELP YOURSELF. OH DO I. I THOUGHT I DID, THANK YOU. HELLO. OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE THAT SURROUNDS THE THE CITY BALCONIES. PACE BEND, ARKANSAS BEND. BUT THE REALITY IS OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIMITS. AND NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE PARKS. THE REALITY IS, IS IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE LVPA P O CONFINES, YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO OTHER THAN 35 ACRES, AND MOST OF WHICH ARE HALF. ABOUT HALF OF THAT OR MORE THAN HALF IS IN SUNSET PARK, WHICH IS AT THIS TIME A SINGLE USE PARK FOR SPORTS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DARK, DARK GREEN ITEMS ON HERE, YOU WILL SEE SUNSET, THE SPORTS PLEX AGAIN, A PRETTY MUCH A SINGLE USE PARK. THEN YOU HAVE TO GO WAY DOWN TO THE DAWN DRIVE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A PARK AT THIS POINT. VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, THE CITY HALL PARK OUT HERE, AND BODEN POINT, THAT'S IT. THERE IS THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT A CITY RESIDENT HAS ACCESS TO IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE LVP. OH, AND IF THEY LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IN THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, THE ETJ, THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO ANYTHING. ALSO, AS FAR AS THE LVP. OKAY, SO IT'S OUR CONSIDERED OPINION IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THIS AS A TOTAL COMMITTEE, BUT THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO EXPAND PARKLAND. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE HARD ON YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE AREN'T VERY MANY PARKS THAT A LAGO VISTA RESIDENT CAN ACCESS UNLESS THEY'RE PLAYING BASEBALL OR SOCCER. AND EVEN THEN IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES A WEEK, WHAT

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THAT'S EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, CAROLYN, FOR DOING THE SUMMARY AS WELL. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION. THE NEW TURN BACK TRAIL THAT WAS PUT IN, IS THAT PART OF A TRAIL OWNED BY THE CITY? IT IS. IT IS. I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET EVERYTHING ON THERE WHEN YOU READ IT ALL OUT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GOT BONANZA AND YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT IS FOR SURE. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE OKAY. OKAY,

[V.3. Sports Field Update]

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YOU MENTIONED THE 99 FIELD. WHAT AREA WOULD A FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELD BE NEEDED? IS IT IN THE SAME PLACE JUST BIGGER OR IS IT A DIFFERENT PLACE? I JUST NEED A LITTLE EDUCATION ON THAT. YEAH, YEAH. WHERE WHERE THE CURRENT FIELD IS NOW. YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T PUT A FULL SIZE FIELD THERE BECAUSE YOU WERE. BUT WELL THE, THE PATHWAY AND THEN THE VOLLEYBALL COURT IN ONE DIRECTION. AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY A BIT OF A DROP OFF IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

SO YEAH, SO IT COULDN'T FIT THERE. AND PRESENTLY WE, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE OPEN SPACE TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, AS MARK JUST INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF SPACE AND ONLY SO MANY LOCATIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT IF IT WERE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO FIND LOCATIONS SUFFICIENTLY TO CONSTRUCT A FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELD. OKAY, SO MORE PARKLAND ACQUISITION TYPE STUFF. OKAY.

YEAH. YES, MA'AM. DID YOU EVER HEAR BACK FROM GEO AND COUNTER? SO ACTUALLY, I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH LVB'S AND IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN MORE US TAKING ACTION TO SORT OF, WELL, THERE HAVE BEEN GROUPS WHO'VE KIND OF BEEN INVADING THE SPACE AND USING THE FIELDS IN AN UNAUTHORIZED WAY. SO I LITERALLY WENT OUT AS LATE AS YESTERDAY TO LOCK. THERE'S KIND OF A VOID BETWEEN FIELDS WHERE WE KIND OF DO SOME OF OUR MAINTENANCE, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN ALLOWED TO DO SOME, SOME PRACTICE AND SOME WARM UP. BUT FOLKS HAVE BEEN CREEPING INTO ONE FIELD, CROSSING THAT AREA AND THEN ACCESSING THE OTHER FIELDS. SO WE'VE HAD TO LOCK THAT DOWN SO THAT ADULTS ARE NOT CROSSING PATHS WITH YOUTH AS THEY'RE TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS. PARKING HAS BEEN A REAL ISSUE, NOT SO MUCH IN TERMS OF ACCESS AS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE PARKING WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T. THEY LITERALLY OVERWHELM THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE BALL FIELDS, AND IT'S THE OBLIGATION OF THE LEAGUES TO SORT OF CONTROL THAT.

AND THE ONLY ALLOWANCE THAT WE'VE MADE FOR FOLKS PARKING IN NON-DESIGNATED AREAS ARE TWO.

THE FIRST IS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE MOBILITY IMPAIRED. WE'VE PERMITTED THEM TO DRIVE UP TO THE FIELD AND HAVE A SHORTER WALK AS AS POSSIBLE FOR THE OTHERS, WHERE THE 90 SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT BECOME OVERWHELMED, WE HAVE PERMITTED THE LEAGUE TO ALLOW FOLKS TO PARK ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD LEADING BACK TO THE WATER PLANT AND OUR MAINTENANCE SHED, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT FOLKS HAVE JUST GOTTEN COMFORTABLE OVER SEVERAL YEARS, JUST KIND OF PARKING WHEREVER. THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT THEN WHEN YOU DO, IN FACT SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS ACCESS CLOSE, THEY CAN'T GET THERE. AND ON SATURDAYS, LITERALLY, YOU'LL FIND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF CARS OUT THERE. AND THAT IMPEDES THOSE FOLKS FROM BEING ABLE TO PARK SAFELY. AND AS I SAID, ACCESSING AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN. SO WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH WITH THE LEAGUES. BEYOND THAT, THE DEMAND FOR MORE SPACE AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXPANDING THE FIELDS. I MEAN, THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY ADDED DISTANCES ON THE BASE PEGS AND ON THE PITCHING MOUNDS SO THAT THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE AGE GROUPS OUT THERE. WE'VE DONE THAT ON BOTH THE BASEBALL AND THE SOFTBALL FIELD, AND HAD A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE FIELD TO AS MUCH AS 80 FOOT BASES, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE INFIELD, THEN REBUILDING OR BACK BUILDING SOME OF THE INFIELD AROUND THE PITCHER'S MOUND, ETC. AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE SHORT DISTANCES TO THE OUTFIELD, WE THEY'D REQUIRE US PUTTING UP NETTING. AND YOU GUYS MAY RECALL THE STRETCH OF NETTING AT THE PICKLEBALL COURT WAS ABOUT $16,000, AND THE

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DID THEY EVER SORT OUT A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY? NO, SIR. DIED THE DEATH.

IS THAT STILL BEING WORKED ON LIKE RENTAL FIELD PRICES AND STUFF? YEAH, YEAH. AS WE INDICATED THE MEETING IN JANUARY, THAT IS THAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF PROBABLY A LENGTHY DISCUSSION. SO NOTHING HAS BEEN SETTLED. THANK YOU. DAVID. NUMBER FOUR GOLF BALLS

[V.4. Golf Balls at Greenshore Park]

BUT I WILL CERTAINLY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH GREG AT THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE A CONVERSATION AMONG THE THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, DAVID, I APPRECIATE

[V.5. E-Bikes in the Community]

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I PERSONALLY THINK WE NEED TO A MINIMUM, HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE E-BIKES FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS GOLF CARTS, KEEPING OFF MAIN ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I KNOW ALL THE KIDS ARE WEARING HELMETS, TOUCH WOOD THAT'S FASHIONABLE AND IT STAYS IN FASHION. BUT TO WE NEED TO SOMEHOW PROVIDE THEM SOMEWHERE TO GO BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S.

SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S. WE NEED TO FIND THEM SOMEWHERE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO RIDE THEIR BIKES. OTHERWISE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE THEMSELVES. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST SOLUTION OF WHERE THEY ARE RIDING. WE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THEM TEARING UP THE GOLF CART GOLF COURSE. OBVIOUSLY PARKS THE RIDING DOWN ROADS AND STUFF. AND YOU KNOW, I QUITE OFTEN SEE THEM IN. 15, 20 GROUPS. THEY STOP THE TRAFFIC THE OTHER DAY BY THE GOLF COURSE. THAT WE NEED TO THINK OF SOMETHING. ONE SUGGESTION I HAD IS WE CONVERTED OR CONVERTED BONANZA INTO P1B PARK. AND I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT'S TWO ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I SUGGESTED LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS THAT WE ASKED IF THE CITY COULD FIRE WISE IT, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE GROUND'S LIKE, BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE UP THERE FOR THEM TO RIDE. THERE IS SOME TOPOGRAPHY WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE KIDS WILL LOVE. AND AGAIN, I'VE. I'VE HAD THE BIKE SHOPS REACH OUT TO ME, BUT I'VE NOT REACHED BACK OUT TO THEM BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH EVERYBODY HERE. MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME PARTNERSHIP GOING OR SOME SPONSORSHIP AT MINIMUM. I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS TO ANYBODY HERE WITH WHAT WE THINK SHOULD HAPPEN. I WANT TO POINT OUT, TOO, THAT THERE ARE A FEW STUDENTS THAT USE E-BIKES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER KIND OF TRANSPORTATION MODE TO GET TO SCHOOL. AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF YOUNG PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND I CROSS COUNTRY SEASON. I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YOUNG FOLKS THAT JUST DIDN'T HAVE TRANSIT AND THEY WERE USING THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL. SO I THINK THIS IS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF THE NEED OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION, ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FOR CERTAIN FAMILIES THAT JUST DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION ACCESS. AND E-BIKES ARE BECOMING ONE OF THOSE TRANSPORTATION MODES THAT MANY FOLKS ARE USING FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO I THINK, AGAIN, DAVID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY REALLY REQUIRES EVEN MORE EXPANSIVE CONVERSATION WITH CITY COUNCIL AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. SIDEWALKS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO NOW TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TRY TO GET MAYBE A SURVEY OF HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE USING E-BIKES AS A TRANSPORTATION MODE AS WELL? YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO START THINKING, YOU KNOW, WITH, AGAIN, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMAND AND GROWTH IN THE CITY. YEAH. GREAT POINT, REALLY A GREAT POINT IN TERMS OF I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ON OR NOT. ANYWAYS, IN TERMS OF RECREATION. WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE AN E-BIKE PARK. I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THE EDC IS ACTUALLY TALKING WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES INTO CREATING ONE. NOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OUTLET. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FREE. OBVIOUSLY, IF A PRIVATE ENTITY COMES IN HERE AND, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S OUR PARK, YOU KNOW, OUR E-BIKE, E-BIKE PARK, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF AN OUTLET FOR THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT OR ANY CONNECTION WITH THE EDC? I DO NOT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK WITH MR. ZINO. YEAH. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON INSIDE THAT COMMITTEE OR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHAT HAVE YOU. THAT IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERING WITH A PRIVATE. OKAY. SO SO I'VE NOT HEARD

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AND THAT FITS. YEAH. WITHIN THE REC AND COMPLETELY AGREE IF WE CAN. AS YOU MENTIONED, ANDREW, THINK ABOUT INCLUDING THAT IN THE MASTER PLAN WOULD BE A GOOD APPROACH. DON'T YOU? OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD. DAVID, HAVE YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC FOR US? WELL, AGAIN, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ON THE TOPIC AND WE WE BOTH OBSERVE THE IMPACTS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. THE GOLF COURSE SEES THEM DRIVING IN THE ROADS. YOU YOU MAY SEE ONE INDIVIDUAL. YOU MAY SEE SIX, 8 OR 10. THEY'RE DEFINITELY OUT THERE. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE HILLS. THERE'S. YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE RIDING THEM DOWN THOSE HILLS. TOTALLY GET IT. THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME CURRENT CONCERNS BETWEEN DISTINCTIONS E-BIKES, MOTORBIKES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DEFINITION. AND I KNOW FOLKS HAVE COME BEFORE COUNCIL REGARDING THE ISSUE AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN PLACE REGARDING GOLF CARTS, GOLF CARTS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM ON LOMAN. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM ON 1431. PROBABLY NOT SUITABLE EVEN FOR BOGGI FORD. IT'S THOSE ARE WELL TRAFFICKED AREAS AND THE SPEED LIMITS ARE HIGHER ON THOSE LOCATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, IN A CONFLICT BETWEEN A BIKE AND A CAR, A BIKE NEVER WINS. SO SO I AGREE WITH YOUR EARLIER STATEMENT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ISN'T A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO IN SOME FORMAL OR INFORMAL WAY, THEY'LL FIND A PLACE AND THEY'LL CREATE A PLACE. AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS DOES THAT RESULT IN? AND THEN THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GENERAL CONNECTIVITY, MAKING SURE THAT KIDS ON BIKES CAN GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. AND THEN THE ISSUE OF THE BROADER ISSUE OF TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY INVOLVE OTHER AGENCIES, METRO ACCESS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SCHOOL BUSSES TO ENSURE THAT KIDS CAN GET TO SCHOOL, ETC. I THINK THOSE ARE VALID POINTS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT ALMOST SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WHERE A NUMBER OF FOLKS NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE, BECAUSE I DON'T. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S ALWAYS THE CITY'S JOB TO SOLVE A PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN COMMUNITIES COME TOGETHER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE OUR KIDS. HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THEM? HOW DO WE KEEP THEM SAFE, PROTECT THEM, BUT STILL CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLAY, FOR RECREATION, ETC. THERE ARE BUSINESSES IN THE

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GREAT. SO COME TO THE TABLE AND BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. OBVIOUSLY THE LV PO IS AFFECTED.

YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE SEE. THE CITY IS AFFECTED, CITIZENS ARE AFFECTED, NEIGHBORHOODS ARE AFFECTED. SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, TO SEE, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT THIS AS A PROBLEM, SAY, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD BENEFIT OUR KIDS AND THEN DO THAT, AND FOLKS COME TO THE TABLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO TAKING STEPS AND MAKING EFFORTS.

AND SO THAT MEANS TIME, IT MEANS EFFORT, AND IT MEANS DOLLARS. AND THE CITY CERTAINLY NOT IN A POSITION, I DON'T THINK, TO ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY IN ALL THREE OF THOSE AREAS. BUT I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE'VE GOT A BETTER SHOT AT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND REALLY CREATING SOMETHING SPECIAL AND UNIQUE HERE IN LARGO FOR OUR KIDS. SO AS WE WERE JUST TALKING, THEN I CAME UP WITH AN IDEA AND I'M PROBABLY REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE ALREADY. THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONNECT TREVISO TO LAGO VISTA VIA PATH.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY HOW MANY KIDS ARE TRYING TO GET FROM YOUR SIDE OF TOWN OVER TO THIS SIDE OF TOWN. I MEAN, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A TRANSPORT ISSUE THEY WANT TO COME INTO. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER RUNNING MY DAUGHTER UP TO CROSS-COUNTRY AT 6 A.M. IN THE MORNING. YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT PRIVILEGE OF TAKING THEIR KIDS UP AT, YOU KNOW, TO THE SCHOOLS EARLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY START HAVING THEIR OWN TRANSPORT, THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T TAKE LONG BEFORE THEY REALIZE THEY'RE ON THE 14, 31 OR OTHER AREAS. HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW POPULAR IT IS OVER YOUR SIDE OF TOWN? SORRY, I'M CALLING IT YOUR SIDE OF TOWN. ON MY SIDE OF TOWN, YOU KNOW. WELL, ACTUALLY, DON CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. I MEAN, THE I MEAN, EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG, IF THEY'RE NOT IN SCHOOL, THERE ARE KIDS WHO ARE BUZZING AROUND ON ALL SORTS OF TWO WHEELED TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, ELECTRIC BIKES, NOT SO ELECTRIC BIKES. I MEAN, THERE ARE A TON OF THEM AND IT'S ALL THE TIME. AS I SAID, SOMETIMES IT'S ONE KID, SOMETIMES IT'S MULTIPLE KIDS, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT KIDS, RIGHT? I MEAN, LITERALLY I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BIRHANET NOEL IS CONCERNED. I'VE SEEN SOME FOLKS, SOME ADULTS WHO GO TO THE TOP OF THAT THING JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW QUICK THEY CAN GET DOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE GOOD THING FOR THEM IS ALL THE STOP SIGNS RUN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE BAD THING IS YOU REALLY CAN'T ASSUME THAT FOLKS ARE ABIDING BY THOSE. BUT BUT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY I AGREE WITH YOUR EARLIER POINT THAT IF, IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, REALLY EVALUATE THIS AND CONSIDER AS A COMMUNITY HOW TO CREATE SOMEWHERE THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES, WHETHER IT'S BIRHANET NOEL UP INTO SARA, WHETHER IT'S LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE OR WHETHER IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED HIGHLAND GOLF COURSE, WHETHER IT'S LVP PARKS OR OTHER STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO DO IT. SO. ARE YOU SEEING MANY KIDS RIDING THE TRAIL? THE. YES, THE BIKE TRAIL ON BIKES COMING ACROSS. ARE THEY USING. ARE THEY USING THAT AS A. AND IS THAT CAUSING AN IMPACT ON A SAFETY FOR OTHER PEOPLE WALKING AND. B EROSION ON THE TRAIL? YEAH.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I'VE. I'VE NOT SEEN A LOT OF KIDS ON THE TRAIL. I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF ADULT MOUNTAIN BIKERS ON THE TRAIL. IN FACT, IF YOU WALK THE TRAIL AND IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, YOU'LL SEE ROCKS PERIODICALLY WITH A STRIPE OF WHITE PAINT. THOSE MARKERS ARE CREATED BY MOUNTAIN BIKERS, AND THEY GO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAN THAN HIKERS DO. BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AREAS THAT INTERSECT. ABSOLUTELY. BUT YEAH, THAT'S MOSTLY MOUNT ADULT MOUNTAIN BIKERS. AND I'VE NOT YET SEEN AN ELECTRIC BIKE OUT THERE. AT ANY TIME. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF YOUNG BOYS HEADED DOWN THE TURN BACK TRAIL, AND I ASSUME THEY WERE GOING TO MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY LOOKED ABOUT THAT AGE. BUT IT

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OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY? ANYBODY ELSE GOT A DISCUSSION ON THAT? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT. AND SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED, DAVID. AND THEN ANDREW, I JUST WHAT IS THE NEXT ACTION STEP THEN FOR THIS CONVERSATION? IS THIS TO CONNECT WITH RAVI AND START THOSE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS AND PERHAPS MOVE FORWARD AND SEEING IF WE CAN START SOME KIND OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD? OR IS THIS THIS IS IT. SARAH. OH, SARAH. OKAY, I DO APOLOGIZE. SARAH. OKAY. YEAH, SURE. I I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE DAVID TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BOUNCE IT AROUND WITHIN THE CITY HERE.

I'D LIKE KAREN TO TAKE IT UP TO THE BOARD. SORRY. THE COUNCIL, I, I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOLVED OVERNIGHT. SIMPLY, AS I SAID, RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT WOULD BE LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, LET'S TRY AND KEEP THE KIDS OFF THE ROADS AND, YOU KNOW, 1431 OR ANYTHING WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF 40 OR ABOVE OR 35 AND ABOVE. I MEAN, THAT'S A CITY DISCUSSION, NOT NOT MY DISCUSSION OR OUR DISCUSSION HERE. AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO START THINKING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN DIRECT THESE KIDS AND IF WE CAN GET. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT INVOLVED, IF THEY WANT TO HELP FUND SOME SORT OF PATH BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, YOUR SIDE OF TOWN AND OVER HERE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO. BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING RATHER THAN JUST TRYING TO SOLVE IT TONIGHT. OH, NO, I WASN'T ASKING TO SOLVE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE NEXT ACTION STEP. YEAH, THAT WAS IT.

JUST I JUST HAD ONE IF I MAY, ONE COMMENT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT WHAT DON BROUGHT UP AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TRAILS.

IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY JUST IN AN ORGANIC WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THE KIDS ARE KIDS ARE DOING THAT TO GET TO SCHOOL. SO THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE UTILITIES WENT IN, I GUESS ALONG 1431, AND THEY CUT A LOT OF TREES DOWN AND MADE A BIG PATH THROUGH THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF TURNING THAT AREA INTO SOME TYPE OF BIKE WALK, WALKWAY VELOWAY SOMETHING WOULD BE A REALISTIC BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS, BUT I'M GUESSING IT PROBABLY GOES ACROSS SOME PRIVATE LAND. YEAH. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT HAS SORT OF NATURALLY BEEN CREATED NOT FAR OFF OF 1431 THAT YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY GET ON AT THE TO. SARAH JUST NEAR 1431. AND IT'LL RUN ALL THE WAY ALONG. AND THE ONLY PLACE AT WHICH YOU CROSS PRIVATE IS THE OLD NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE. OTHERWISE. YEAH, YOU CAN LITERALLY JUMP FROM WHAT IS NOW JUST KIND OF A WIDE EASEMENT ONTO PAVEMENT. ONCE YOU GET AROUND TO WHAT CHANTILLY AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND IT'LL LITERALLY TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY TO CHESTNUT COVE AND WILL ESSENTIALLY DROP YOU ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. KAREN, CAN I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? HAVE YOU GOT ANY INFORMATION FOR US OR ANY THOUGHTS? WELL, I KNOW THE NEW BIKE SHOP OWNERS HAD COME AND SPOKEN TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE HAD A KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE E-BIKES. AND ONE OF THE ANGLES THEY WERE COMING AT WAS, COULD THERE BE KIND OF A SAFETY TRAINING TYPE PROGRAM FOR THE KIDS AND THEY COULD GET CERTIFIED, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND THE OTHER THING IS WE HAD THEN ACTING CHIEF FRANCO TALKED TO US ABOUT SOME OF THE REGULATIONS, ACCORDING TO STATE LAW, AROUND THE E-BIKES AND THE UPPER LIMIT SPEEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TRY TO REGULATE. SO KIND OF THE BEGINNINGS OF TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO SAYING, ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN DO? AS YOU GUYS HAVE SAID, AS A COMMUNITY, MORE OF A COMMUNITY BASIS VERSUS PASSING A NEW LAW AROUND THEM WHEN STATE LAWS ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SUPERSEDE ANYTHING WE DO LOCALLY ANYWAYS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IS WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT VERY BEGINNING OF IT. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE CONNECTOR TRAIL, RIGHT FROM THE SPORTS COMPLEX,

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I THINK THOSE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD HELP PROMOTE USAGE OF SUNSET PARK AND MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE KIDS TO DRIVE UP RIGHT UP THAT WAY, OR EVEN WALK THAT WAY FOR THAT MATTER. IT WOULD EXTEND THE TRAIL SYSTEM. IT WOULD GET A NUMBER OF BENEFITS FROM IT.

SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. KAREN. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HOW YOU HOW YOU WORDED THAT AS LET'S TRY AND KEEP KIDS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, RATHER THAN PUTTING OBSTACLES IN THE WAY OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, STOPPING, DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT. LET'S TRY AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU KAREN. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THIS

[V.6. Bar-K Ranch Road Discussion]

[V.7. Summer Aquatics 2026]

SO AS NOT TO TRIP ALL THE TIME, I SHOULD. OH, THERE IT IS. WE'RE ALREADY UP ON THIS ONE.

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THERE IS NO PROGRAMING THAT'S OFFERED THERE, BUT BECAUSE DURING THAT PERIOD, IT IN FACT FUNCTIONS AS WHAT WE CALL A CLASS B POOL, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT.

LIFEGUARDS BY LAW ARE REQUIRED TO BE PRESENT THERE. SO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. TO 11:30 A.M. IT'S A TOTAL OF ABOUT 227.5 HOURS THROUGH THE COURSE OF 13 ISH WEEKS, THAT IT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE FREQUENTLY HAD IS A DESIRE BY SOME TO DO SOME LAP SWIMMING IN THE MORNING. THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT PLACE TO DO THAT. THERE ARE, IN FACT, A COUPLE OF LANES BUILT IN. THEY DON'T HAVE LANE LINES, BUT THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL LANES EXIST. AND THEY'RE IN FACT, AS A GENTLEMAN THAT I SEE LAP SWIMMING THERE ALL THE TIME. SO AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THAT THAT IS AN OPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO BACK TO CITY POOL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT ITS GENERAL PROGRAMING AND THE SCHEDULING. ALTHOUGH THIS ISN'T IN STONE JUST YET, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MOST OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.

SO YOU HAVE THE SWIM TEAM ANNUALLY THAT HAS BEEN CITY HOSTED. THEY DO NOT PAY FEES WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WHEN THEY OFFER SWIM LESSONS, THEN THEY GIVE THE CITY $10 PER REGISTRANT. FOR THAT. I CAN FIND NOTHING THAT INDICATES WE RECEIVED ANY MONEY FROM THEM LAST YEAR. THERE IS NOT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE. SO I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. WILLER, WHO OPERATES THE SWIM TEAM, AND TOLD HIM THAT WE HAVE GOT TO PUT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE TERMS OF THEIR USE. SO AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. TO 11 A.M. WITH THE OCCASIONAL MEET ON SATURDAY AND TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IS BECAUSE MONDAY WE ARE CLOSED FOR MAINTENANCE SO WE DON'T OPEN THE POOL AT ALL ON MONDAYS. THEN THERE'S WATER AEROBICS THAT'S HOSTED TWO TUESDAY AND THURSDAY DURING THE

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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOUR AND A HALF OF LUNCH TIME. BUT EVEN THEN, IF YOU WANTED TO COME AND BOB IN THE WATER DURING WATER AEROBICS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO COST FOR THAT EITHER. AND THEN LASTLY, I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO OFFER SOME SWIM LESSONS. AND SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, SOMEHOW WE'LL FIT THOSE IN A COUPLE OF HOURS DAILY. WE DID A SURVEY IN MARCH VIA THE CITY'S NEWSLETTER, AND ALL BUT ONE RESPONDENT WAS, YES, WE WOULD TAKE SWIM LESSONS. THE ONE WHO DIDN'T SAY YES SAID MAYBE, AND THAT WAS IT. SO CLEARLY THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR THAT. THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT I DID NOT KNOW THAT THE SWIM TEAM HAD. OFFER SOME LESSONS, SO I WILL HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT HAS WORKED. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY STEPPING ON ANYBODY'S TOES. IF THAT'S AN EASIER WAY TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, IF THAT GENERATES SOME DOLLARS FOR US, THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND YOU KNOW, $10 A REGISTRANT IS IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE AGREEMENT AND THE DOLLARS COME IN. BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE GIST OF THE PROGRAMING FROM DAY TO DAY. HOW ABOUT A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY POOL IS OPEN WEEKENDS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO

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IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, THERE WON'T BE A NEXT YEAR. ALL RIGHT. BUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN MAKING OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR AND SOME OF THIS IS ONGOING, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON THAT THE POOL HAS BEEN CLOSED. SO ONE OF THE FIRST MAJOR THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DO WAS INSTALL AN AOP SYSTEM. AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT'S THAT? MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT POOLS ARE CHEMICALLY TREATED. THAT'S HOW YOU KEEP THEM CLEAN. THAT'S HOW YOU KEEP THEM CLEAR. THE REALITY IS, IS AND YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PICTURE THERE THAT WE HAVE THE BUCKETS, WE HAVE THE MUSHROOM, AND THERE'S THE SLIDE. AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO SOME SPRAY FOUNTAINS NEAR THE ENTRY OF, OF THE BEACHHEAD. ALL OF THOSE. CREATE A SITUATION IN WHICH WATER IS THROWN AND IS MADE AIRBORNE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT OPERATES MUCH LIKE A SPLASH PAD DOES. WELL, TEXAS STATE LAW REQUIRES SECONDARY SANITATION SYSTEM. THAT'S WHAT THE AOP SYSTEM IS. SO LOGO ALREADY NOW HAS A A FIRST SANITATION SYSTEM. THAT'S OUR CHEMICAL SYSTEM. AND WE NOW HAVE THE AOP SYSTEM, A SECONDARY SANITIZATION SYSTEM. SO THE POOL IS CLEAN AND CLEAR THAT THE AOP IS REQUIRED SPECIFICALLY FOR SHOOT. I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO FORGET IT. IT'S SOMETHING. SPYRIDIUM. OH, ANYWAY, THE. BUT IT'S THAT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF CREATED FROM THAT, THAT AIRBORNE DYNAMIC THAT GOES ON. SO AOP ATTACKS THAT DIRECTLY AND JUST AGAIN, SECONDARILY CLEANS THE WATER. ADDITIONALLY, ALL OF THE TOYS, THE, THE MUSHROOM, THE BUCKETS AND THE SLIDE ARE ALL HAVE BEEN REPAINTED OR ARE BEING REPAINTED. THAT WAS DONE AT NO COST TO US THIS YEAR. AGAIN, PART OF THE RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH THE CONTRACTOR IS WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR US THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST, OR YOU HAVE DONE IN A LESS THAN ACCEPTABLE FASHION? THE REPAINT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND AGAIN, SHARP EYED DEAN, HE'S LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AND HE'S LIKE, YEAH, THAT SLIDE'S JUST NOT READY TO BE PUT BACK IN PLACE. SO THEY'VE STRIPPED IT AND THEY'RE REPAINTING IT AGAIN THIS WEEK, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT. AND THE OTHER IS THAT YOU MAY RECALL WHERE THE BLACK NETTING WAS BETWEEN THE SHALLOW END AND THE DEEP END ALONG THE ISLAND THERE. THAT'S ALL BEEN REMOVED. AND WE HAVE NOW PUT IN ACRYLIC PANELS, AND THOSE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DECALS ON THEM SO THAT WELL, ONE, THEY ARE CLEAR, BUT YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS IN FACT A BARRIER BETWEEN IT AND THE OTHER SIDE.

WE THINK IT WILL BE A MORE EFFECTIVE BARRIER, AND IT IS FAR AND AWAY A MORE ATTRACTIVE BARRIER. THEN ADA CORRECTIONS ARE UNDERWAY. DEAN ACTUALLY HAS BEEN HANDLING MOST OF THEM. BY THE WAY, THAT IS DEAN. BY THE WAY, DEAN IS ONE OF THREE THREE OF MY TEAM MEMBERS WHO GET OUT THERE AND WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF EVERY SINGLE DAY. BUT SO HE HAS BEEN MAKING FIXES IN THE

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SO AGAIN, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE POOL, YOU'VE GOT A COVERED PATIO AREA WITH SOME PICNIC TABLES UNDER THOSE ARE RENTABLE SPACES. AND WE ACTUALLY DID RENT OUT THOSE A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND THEN LOCKER RENTALS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT NOBODY REALLY DOES THAT. EXCUSE ME. AND THE REASON I HAVE THE TEN VISIT PASS IN A BOX IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY VEHICLE THAT PATRONS CAN PURCHASE FOR ACCESS TO SARA'S POOL DURING THOSE PUBLIC HOURS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. EVERYTHING ELSE IS APPLICABLE BROADLY TO CITY POOL. BUT FOR SARA, ONLY ATTEND VISIT PASS IS ACCEPTABLE. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID POINT OUT TO COUNCIL WAS IT STRIKES ME AS A BIT OF AN INEQUALITY THAT THE SWIM TEAM DOESN'T PAY FEES, THAT WATER AEROBICS IS FOR FREE THOUGH THE CITY PAYS FOR THOSE THINGS. AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALIZED SERVICES FOR WHICH FOLKS OUGHT TO PAY TO REAP THE INDIVIDUAL BENEFITS THAT COME FROM THAT. AND SO AT SOME POINT, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT INEQUITY. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK IT'S

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YOU CAN SEE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. CONTRACT SERVICES IS THE LARGEST PART OF THAT.

AGAIN THEY PROVIDE THOSE THREE SERVICES. WE TALKED ABOUT POOL CLEANING, CHEMICAL MAINTENANCE AND THEN LIFEGUARD SERVICES AND THEN FIXED ASSETS. THIS YEAR. THAT IS THE POOL, THE NEW POOL FURNITURE. SO THAT SUBTOTAL IS $174,000 IN CHANGE, WHICH AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 10% OF THE REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED LAST YEAR. SO OUR RETURN IS ABOUT A DIME ON EVERY DOLLAR SPENT. AND BUT THAT EXCLUDES DEAN'S TIME WORKING OUT THERE. THE OTHER GUY'S TIME, MY TIME ADMINISTRATING THE PROGRAM, ETC. WHICH BRINGS IN ANOTHER $34,000 OF COST. SO THE TRUE COST OF OF THE OPERATION OF THE POOL AT THE SPORTSPLEX IS ABOUT $217,000. AND THEN I'VE GIVEN TWO PREVIOUS YEARS JUST FOR POINTS OF REFERENCE, THE LARGER YEAR 2324, THE POOL WAS CLOSED, BUT THERE WAS A REPLASTER PROJECT THAT OCCURRED OUT THERE. THE. SO THERE IS, AS I SAID, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A DESIRE TO EXPAND HOURS AND. THE PRIMARY COST DRIVER IS LIFEGUARDS. IF IT'S A. TWO LIFEGUARDS, WHICH IS THE STATE REQUIRED MINIMUM, THAT'S 61 BUCKS PER HOUR CONTRACT. IF IT'S THREE LIFEGUARDS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO ANYTIME THAT WE'RE OPEN, GENERALLY A MINIMUM OF. THAT'S 91.50 AN HOUR. AND THEN ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, WE ACTUALLY BOLSTER THAT TO FOUR LIFEGUARDS IN ANTICIPATION OF LARGER CROWDS. AND THAT'S $122 AN HOUR TO DO THAT. AND SO AGAIN, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL, IF THEY WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL WEEKENDS AT THE BEGINNING OF SUMMER OR AT THE END OF SUMMER, THAT'S BASICALLY THE COST $122 PER HOUR. THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, THE AGREEMENT WITH SARA HAINES TO SARA IS THAT ALL POOL MAINTENANCE, ALL POOL ASSOCIATED COSTS, INCLUDING THE PROVISION OF LIFEGUARDS FOR THAT 13 WEEK PERIOD, ALL OF THOSE ARE BORNE BY HEINZ THROUGH VIA THE H O A, AND THAT'S TO THE TUNE SOMEWHERE AROUND $30,000. AND SO THERE IS THERE SEEMS TO BE A GENERAL CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL THAT THAT IS UNFAIR TO DO THAT TO, TO SARA FOLKS. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A DESIRE TO REVISIT THAT. AND MAYBE FOR THE CITY TO BEAR THOSE COSTS MOVING FORWARD. THE ONLY CLARIFICATION THAT I WOULD MAKE IN THAT REGARD IS THAT THAT'S SORT OF THE PRICE THAT SARA'S HOA PAYS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS IT'S A IT'S A PUBLICLY OWNED POOL AND THAT ITS CONSTRUCTION IS THE RESULT OF BOND FUNDS. AND SO THERE'S A NECESSITY FOR PUBLIC ACCESS THERE. AND BY AGREEMENT, AS I INDICATED, THAT WORKS OUT TO BE ABOUT 274 ISH HOURS PER YEAR. SO THE HOA FUNDS THAT. BUT IN FUNDING THAT, THAT'S THE THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THAT THAT MEANS THE REST OF ITS USE BEYOND THAT TIME IS REALLY PRIVATE OPERATION, SO THAT ONLY TO SARA RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS BEYOND THOSE 3.5 HOURS PER DAY.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GIVE AND TAKE. AND SO IT MAY SEEM UNFAIR FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE

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BUT COUNCIL DOES WANT TO REVISIT THOSE COSTS AND WHO OUGHT TO BEAR THOSE. AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE QUESTION OF DOES AN EXPANSION OF HOURS MAKE DOLLARS AND CENTS IN THAT? HERE'S KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN FOR PARTICIPATION. SO REC SWIM, WE GET AN AVERAGE OF 4550 PATRONS PER HOUR. SO AT ANY GIVEN HOUR, THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH END OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN WE OPEN UP ON THE EARLY END, IT COULD BE AS FEW AS 15 OR 25. NOW, THE THE IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS YOU DO THAT. YOU'LL NOTE THE LITTLE NOTE THERE IN THE CORNER, AND THAT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BATHER LOAD. THAT IS WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY SWIMMERS WE CAN HAVE. SO IT'S A 5000 SQUARE FOOT POOL UNDER FIVE FOOT DEEP. SO WE TECHNICALLY CAN HAVE AS MANY AS 250 SWIMMERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOW SAFELY, I WOULDN'T EXCEED 200, BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE SEEING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2520 AND 25%. GENERALLY SPEAKING, OF THE POOL'S CAPACITY. WATER AEROBICS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'LL SEE 50 TO 70 PARTICIPANTS DURING THE ONE HOUR THAT THEY'RE OPERATIONAL, ACCORDING TO MISS CAROL, WHO TEACHES THE CLASS. SHE SAYS TUESDAYS ARE BETTER THAN THURSDAYS, BUT SHE STILL DOES WELL ON BOTH OF THOSE DAYS. LAP SWIM. IT CAN BE NOBODY IN THAT LANE TO UP TO THREE PEOPLE IN THAT LANE. AND AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER, THERE ARE 42 HOURS A WEEK RESERVED JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE IN THAT SINGLE LANE. SO THERE IS ADEQUATE TIME THERE. AND AGAIN, IF THEY WANT MORE, THEY CAN GO TO SARAH IN THE MORNING. AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.

SO LAST YEAR, THE SATURDAY BEFORE LABOR DAY, WE DID A FREE POOL DAY. WE DID GAMES, WE DID PRIZES, AND WE EVEN GAVE AWAY FREE HAWAIIAN ICE. AND 60 PEOPLE CAME. SO IT'S A QUESTION OF, IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR INCREASED CAPACITY? LOOKING AT THAT, I'M NOT CONVINCED THERE IS. DO PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN THE WATER ON A HOT DAY? THEY DO, BUT THAT COMES AT A COST. AND SO IT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION. DO WE EXPEND THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FEW FOLKS, OR DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SAY THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR IT? AGAIN, POLICY DECISION. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOLKS CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. SO THAT'S WHY WE BRING THE DETAILS BEFORE THEM. ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY, THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SORT OF DUMP ON YOU. YES. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE POA OR AN HOA? RESIDENTS THAT TRULY HAVE NO ACCESS TO. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I DON'T. IN TERMS OF GENERAL HOA'S, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT. AND WE HAVE BEEN DEBATING THE THE ISSUE OF THE POA AND HOW MANY FOLKS. AND WHAT WE HAVE SORT OF ARRIVED AT IS ABOUT 80% CURRENTLY OF THE COMMUNITY HAS MEMBERSHIP IN THE POA. SO I GUESS THE IMMEDIATE QUESTION THEN WAS, IS OR SHOULD BE. SO HOW MUCH USE DO YOU SEE AT YOUR POOL? NOT AS MUCH AS THAT. WE HAVE LAKES. YOU DON'T. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THE I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POOLS IN THE COMMUNITY, INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY POOLS. AND WE'RE LIKE COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S WATER ALL AROUND US. SO BUT IN TERMS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PART OF HOA'S IN GENERAL, I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY DOES. QUESTION. WHEN WAS THE POOL DAY 25. WHAT WAS IT LIKE? WHAT MONTH WAS THAT OR THE POOL DAY? THE FREE POOL DAY? YEAH, THAT ACTUALLY WAS THE SATURDAY BEFORE LABOR DAY. OKAY. OKAY. WHICH, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS THAT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. ONE, IT IS A WEEK END DAY TWO SCHOOL HAS ALREADY BEGUN. AND ONE OF THE CHIEF CRITICISMS I GET IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE CLOSED JUST BECAUSE SCHOOL HAS ENDED THE SCHOOL GAVE YOU GAVE YOU A FREE DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, STILL A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER CAME OUT WHEN EVERYTHING, INCLUDING HAWAIIAN ICE, IS FREE. THAT'S A HECK OF A DEAL. AND THE MOST WE GET, YOU KNOW, FROM TEN, 11, 12,000 RESIDENTS IS 60 PEOPLE COME TO A FREE POOL DAY. AND THAT'S OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY. I HAVE I DON'T KNOW, I

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YEAH. AND THEN HOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS RENTED THE POOL JUST FOR. BECAUSE YOU SAID THE POOL.

RENTED POOL? YEAH. THERE WERE 46 PAVILION RENTALS. YEAH. SO NOT THE WHOLE POOL, BUT YOU COULD RENT EITHER THIS STRETCH OF, OF PATIO OR THE OPPOSITE. THERE WERE RARE OCCASIONS WHEN THEY DID BOTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I WAS JUST WONDERING, DAVID. SO THE REQUEST FOR EXTENDING HOURS OR PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL DATES BEYOND LABOR DAY, IS THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING? IS IT COMING FROM SCHOOL PARENTS OR WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? YEAH. SO SO I KNOW COUNCIL GETS A FAIR AMOUNT OF THAT FROM PARTICULARLY FOLKS, LIKE I SAID IN, IN APRIL, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, IT IS HOT. WHY ISN'T THE POOL OPEN? AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT OPEN. FOR EXAMPLE, DURING SPRING BREAK, THEY'LL OPEN FOR THAT WEEK. THE. BUT IN TRUTH, THE. FROM MY LOCAL RESEARCH, THAT'S LAKEWAY AND THAT CEDAR PARK, BOTH OF THOSE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THREE CEDAR PARK POOLS. BOTH OF THOSE ARE HEATED AND THEY OPERATE YEAR ROUND. SO THEY'RE EQUIPPED AND THEY'VE GOT THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T. IT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO BE GEARED UP AND READY TO GO WITH TRAINED LIFEGUARDS WELL IN ADVANCE OF MEMORIAL DAY. AND THAT GETS CHALLENGING BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOCALLY RELIES ON HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE KIDS FOR LIFEGUARDS. VAST MAJORITY OF THEM. IN FACT, I WAS EXPLAINING TO COUNCIL MARBLE FALLS WILL OPEN THEIR POOL ON THE SAME DAY THAT WE DO, MAY 23RD, THE SATURDAY BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY, BUT THEY WILL CLOSE THAT FOLLOWING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY TO DO THEIR ACTUAL IN-SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE AVAILABLE. SO A CHALLENGE AND YOU KNOW, YOU DO YOUR BEST TO OVERCOME THAT. BUT THEN THERE WERE LAP SWIMMERS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORNING LESSONS WE WANT. SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY USE TESSERA. YEAH. ALL GOOD. I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LEAK. YOU GOT.

YEAH, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LEAK. YEAH YEAH YEAH. WE'VE BEEN WORKING OVER THAT LEAK SINCE THE WINTER. YEAH. BUT AND ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK WE GOT RESULTS TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL WORKING AFTER HOURS TO FIGURE IT OUT. THEY HAVE DONE MOST OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN. SO HOPEFULLY TOMORROW MORNING THERE WILL BE GOOD NEWS. IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD NEWS BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THE WATER LEVEL DROPS JUST BELOW TWO, JUST BELOW THE BASIN, WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS, SOMEWHERE AROUND THE BASIN. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROBLEM IS. WE HAVE WE HAVE WELDED SEAMS ALL ALONG THAT BASIN. WE HAVE DONE PRESSURE TESTING AND VACUUM TESTING. BOTH HAVE RETURNS. AND TODAY THEY WERE DOING DRAIN SYSTEMS, ETC. HAVEN'T HEARD THE RESULTS OF THAT. EVERYTHING HAS BASICALLY COME BACK NEGATIVE.

THEY DID A SOUND TEST AND THEY THOUGHT THEY NARROWED DOWN WHERE THE WATER WAS FLOWING.

THAT'S OKAY, EXCEPT THAT ONLY TELLS US THE DIRECTION. IT DOESN'T PINPOINT THE LOCATION.

IF THE VACUUM TEST TODAY DOESN'T DEMONSTRATE, THE PROBLEM IS IN ONE OF THOSE THREE DRAINS, THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL. IT COULD BE BEHIND THE BASIN. AND THAT MEANS WE START RIPPING OUT CONCRETE. AND THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD EITHER IN TERMS OF COST OR IN TERMS OF TIME. SO IF WE WERE FACED WITH THAT, IT'D BE A QUESTION OF DO WE JUST KEEP REFILLING THE POOL AND MUSTER THROUGH THE SUMMER? IS THERE TIME IF WE CAN SPECIFICALLY LOCATE THE EXACT LOCATION OF THAT PROBLEM, CAN WE PULL BACK THE CONCRETE, FIX THE PROBLEM, PUT THE CONCRETE BACK IN PLACE IN TIME FOR A MAY 23RD? ONLY IF WE DISCOVER ALL OF THAT IN SERIOUS SPECIFICITY.

SO THAT LEADS ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION. THE POOL IS 23 YEARS OLD. IS IT TIME TO START CONSIDERING ADDING OR DROPPING A LOT MORE MONEY INTO IT OR REBUILDING, RESURFACING IT? IS

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BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, 23 YEAR OLD FACILITY, IT'S ALL THE HIDDEN SURPRISES THAT DRIVE THE DOLLARS UP. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, EVEN AS WE HAD THE PARK DISCUSSION LAST THURSDAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS SLOWLY OVER TIME, YOU DO IT INCREMENTALLY. AND I JUST BROUGHT UP THE REALITY OF THE SUNSET PARK ACCESS ROAD PROJECT WHEN THEY STARTED THAT PROJECT WITH AN INITIAL ATTEMPT TO BUILD THAT, IT WAS LESS THAN $300,000 TO DO THAT ROADWAY, JUST THAT ROADWAY INTO THE PARK.

BY THE TIME THEY DID IT, IT WAS $545,000. AND IT'S LIKE JANICE REFERENCED EARLIER, WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, THE WALKWAY AT BOWDOIN PARK, IT WAS LESS THAN $50,000. NOW IT'S CLOSING IN ON 80 COSTS DON'T GO DOWN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT A TEN YEAR HORIZON, YOU KNOW, THE STUFF WE SAY WE DO IN THE FIRST YEAR IS GOING TO BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE STUFF WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IN YEAR FIVE, SEVEN, AND TEN, BECAUSE THE ARC OF COSTS IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID ON THIS? THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. IT WAS REALLY, REALLY A WEALTH OF INFORMATION THERE. EXCELLENT. SLIDESHOW AGAIN DAVID. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE WILL ADJOURN TONIGHT AT WHAT IS IT? 826 THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

OH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, DEAN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.