Apr 30, 2026 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

[00:00:06]

I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS MEETING. THE SPECIAL MEETING FOR PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE OR AT, WAS IT 637? WE'RE CALLED TO ORDER. WE HAVE A QUORUM. DO YOU WANT TO SAY OUT YOUR NAMES? STEVE.

STEVE. STEVE BECKER HERE. DON MOUSE HERE. CAROLYN DOUGLAS HERE. ANDREW GOES HERE. STAFF LIAISON IS OBVIOUSLY DAVID. AND OUR COUNCIL LIAISON IS KAREN. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS TO START WITH. NOPE. THAT'S EASY. DAVID HAVE YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS FOR US. LIAISON.

[III.1. Routine reports from City Council Liaison.]

[III.2. Routine reports from City Staff.]

[IV.1. Discussion of KLVB Bowden Point Park Project]

ANYBODY WANT TO START THAT? OKAY. THAT'S ME. I THINK THE LAST SO MARK'S NOT HERE, BUT HE ACTUALLY WROTE US A STATEMENT. AND I THINK I WASN'T SURE WHERE HE WANTED ME TO READ IT, BUT I CAN READ IT HERE IF YOU WANT. ANDREW CAN MAYBE DO SOME CONTEXT ON IT. OH, SORRY. YES.

YEAH. OH, SORRY. BECAUSE I THINK JUST SO JANICE WAS HERE BEFORE AND AND PRESENTED BOWDEN PARK IN THE LATEST INITIATIVE THERE THAT WAS ALSO PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN AROUND THE SEPARATE MEETING. BUT DAVID HAD PRESENTED SOME INITIAL DESIGN PLANNING AND PHASING POTENTIAL FOR DAWN CIRCLE AND BOROUGH PARK. AND CITY COUNCIL WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL ABOUT BEGINNING TO USE SOME OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS TOWARD THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS, OR TOWARDS EVEN DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW PARK. AND SO THAT'S ALL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING. BUT I THINK PART OF IT IS TO KIND OF REITERATE THE PLANS FOR BOWDEN PARK AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND WHAT THE COSTING OF THAT IS. AND THEN DAVID PRESENTING KIND OF THE INITIAL PLAN AND THE PHASED APPROACH AROUND DAWN CIRCLE AND MORROW PARK, AND THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS TO GET PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, GET YOU GUYS INVOLVED IN, IN THE LOOP ON THIS STUFF AND ALSO GET RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE LET'S TRY TO DO BOTH. YOU KNOW, CAN WE FUND BOTH? IF WE CAN'T FUND BOTH, WE THINK THE PRIORITY SHOULD BE X OR Y AND THAT SENSE OF DIRECTION. SO I KIND OF ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO BE OPEN TO BOTH PROJECTS AND THINK ABOUT DAVID'S EVEN GOING TO ASK YOU IN TERMS OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO PRIORITIZE FOR DAWN CIRCLE PARK IN THE PLANNING FOR THAT. SO I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT, BUT THEN ALSO DECIDE IF YOU GUYS CAN REACH CONSENSUS AND MAYBE WANT

[00:05:01]

SO IT'S KIND OF A LARGER BODY OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND GO THROUGH P AND Z FIRST, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO CITY COUNCIL. SO. KAREN. YES, SO I'D HEARD THERE, I'D SPOKEN TO SOMEONE AND THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE'S SOME HESITANCY ON COUNCIL. NOW I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. I HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL'S BEEN USING THAT FUND TO REINFORCE OUR FINANCIAL STATUS ON OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR GRANTS AND THE LIKE. SO IS THERE BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OR HESITANCY ON COUNCIL'S PART TO OPEN ACCESS TO THAT FUND? SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT CONTRIBUTED INTO THE TOTAL RESERVES THE CITY HAS THAT THEN HELP US SHOW THAT KIND OF STABILITY, IF YOU WILL, AROUND RATING AND BOND FUNDING. AND THEN DURING OUR MOST RECENT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IT WAS SAID, NO, THAT TREE MITIGATION FUND AND ONE OTHER FUND ARE NOT PART OF THOSE STATED RESERVES THAT ARE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO THAT'S AN A TBD IN MY MIND. CHARLES WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT AND CONFIRM. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET BETTER DIRECTION ON THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALWAYS MY UNDERSTANDING IS MAYBE WE'RE HESITANT TO SPEND IT BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST DRAIN THE FUND AND SPEND IT ALL EITHER. AND AS MULTIPLE FOLKS, INCLUDING COUNCILOR PRINCE, HAVE POINTED OUT, THE IDEA IS TO MITIGATE LOSS OF TREES, RIGHT? TO USE A LOT OF THAT FUNDING TO PLANT NEW TREES OR, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE NEW GREEN SPACE OR WHATNOT TO MAKE UP FOR TREES THAT ARE TAKEN OUT. SO WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE BALL WITH THAT EITHER. SO BUT YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT CLEARED UP. OKAY. SO. KKLVB HAVE PROPOSED A. A WALK, A SIDEWALK, AN ADA SIDEWALK, ISN'T IT? I THINK IT'S ADA ISN'T IT. YEAH. WELL WAY AND A BRIDGE AND A SWING SET. HAVE YOU GOT ANY ALTERATIONS TO THAT, THAT JANICE THAT YOU'VE, YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US OR ARE WE.

AT THIS POINT? I THINK THIS IS ON. AT THIS POINT, KALEB'S FOCUS IS REALLY ON THE GALLERY, THE ART AND GARDEN WALKWAY. THAT IS OUR MAIN FOCUS AND WHAT WE ARE MOST INTERESTED IN PURSUING. OKAY, SO YOU'VE DROPPED THE SWING SET. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE DROPPED IT, BUT IN THE LARGER PICTURE OF THINGS, OUR FOCUS IS ON THE WALKWAY THAT THE SWING SET IS.

WE'RE STILL HAVING SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WITHIN OUR OWN GROUP. OKAY. WE'RE NOT 100% BEHIND THAT. RIGHT? OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. SO QUESTION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COPY OF, OF YOUR REQUEST FOR FUNDING. DID YOU MODIFY THAT REQUEST? YOU'D ASKED, YOU'D ASKED COUNCIL FOR FUNDING FOR THAT. WHEN WE ASKED COUNCIL FOR FUNDING THE MODIFICATION. WELL, WE HAD THE TWO SEPARATE ONES. WE HAD THE ONE FOR THE WALKWAY AND WE HAD ANOTHER ONE FOR THE SWING SET.

SO YEAH, THEY WERE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE ONES, KIND OF PRESENTED AS ONE, BUT IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THEY WERE SEPARATE. SO. OKAY, A QUESTION JANICE, I HAD WAS THE WALKWAY.

[00:10:09]

IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT USE IT PERHAPS WALK THERE AND LIVE CLOSE BY. I, I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING USED QUITE REGULARLY BY THE. CHURCH OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS MISSIONARIES. AND JUST ABOUT EVERY TIME I DRIVE PAST IT, WHICH IS DAILY, THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THERE SITTING AT THE PARK COMMISERATING. SO YEAH, IT IS.

WE HAVE NOT DONE A STUDY. NO, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT. IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS OF HOW WE MIGHT GO ABOUT DOING THAT, WE COULD. BUT YOU KNOW, BEING AS WE WE WORK IT, WE'RE THERE THE GARDEN BEDS. SO WE'RE AT LEAST THERE EVERYBODY PROBABLY WHAT, TWO, TWO, 2 OR 3 TIMES A WEEK OR MORE. SO WHAT'S YOUR CAPTIVE AUDIENCE? WHAT WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO CATCH? KIDS. ADULTS. WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE PEOPLE OF LAGO VISTA. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WANTING THIS TO BE AN ART PARK, ART AND GARDEN THAT WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY. IT WOULD THEORETICALLY ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE ART WALK IN CEDAR PARK, BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT USE THAT TRAIL AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS ART WALK ALONG WITH THAT THEY'RE AT, I BELIEVE IT'S AT THEIR CITY HALL AS WELL. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A CENTRALIZED LOCATION. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT YEAH, SO YOU WOULD GET PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO WOULD WANT TO BE THERE. SO MY, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AROUND IT AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF IT. BUT AS HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC SAFETY STUDY DONE, I THINK IN

[00:15:03]

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE WALKWAYS, THEY HAVE SIGNS THAT ARE PUT UP ADVERTISING THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PARK, FLASHING LIGHTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE COULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS IF THE SAFETY IS REALLY A CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY COLLEAGUES HERE, BUT I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MINE. SO DEFINITELY I WOULD AGREE. SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR ME AND CONCERN FOR YOUNG, YOU KNOW, MOM WITH 2 OR 3 KIDS ONE GETS LOOSE THERE IT IS BUSY, BUSY, BUSY ROAD AND TWICE THE NUMBER OF CARS PROBABLY THAN SINCE THAT 2009 STUDY. I STILL AM A PROPONENT OF SOME FENCING OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A PLAYGROUND. BUT SINCE YOU'VE DROPPED THE PLAYGROUND SO YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO LAND, BUT BUT I DO, I DO KNOW THAT MOMS WITH WITH KIDS, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE CONTROL OF ALL AT THE SAME TIME, ONE GETS LOOSE AND YOU'VE GOT A VERY BUSY STREET. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS SAFETY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT. YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC STUDY IS A GREAT IDEA. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THAT IS ONE OF MY TOP CONCERNS, HONESTLY, BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK. I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT AS A MOM MYSELF, I CAN'T GET OVER THAT HURDLE. I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THAT HURDLE OF SMALL KIDS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. DO PEOPLE USE THAT AREA OR POCKET PARK AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT DURING THE DAY MOSTLY, OR DURING THE NIGHT? NO, MOSTLY DURING THE DAY. DURING THE DAY. SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS AT NIGHT? NO, NO, NO, NO, THERE'S NO LIGHTING THERE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE GARDENS AND SOME PIECES OF ART. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH ACTIVITY THERE. IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT KIDS GO AND HANG OUT. PERHAPS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT THEY CAN HIDE OUT AND DRINK OR WHATEVER KIDS DO, THEY DO RECREATIONAL STUFF. YES, THANKS. DON'T YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHO? WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE WALKWAY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR GROUP IS GOING TO DO, OR ARE YOU GOING TO CONTRACT THAT OUT? WE WE ARE CONTRACTING THAT OUT. YES. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE FEEL QUALIFIED TO DO WITH THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ENGINEERING BEYOND OUR ABILITIES. STEVE, HAVE YOU GOT ANY ANY COMMENTS? THAT WAS GOOD. OKAY, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. MAYBE MORE THAN ONE. I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR FUNDING APPLICATION FOR JUNE 2025 AND. SO YOU ASKED FOR.

Y'ALL HAD A FUNDING PROPOSAL FOR WHAT IS THIS? I LOST IT. $75,200. AND YOU HAD THE WALKWAY IN THERE FOR BOWDEN POINT AT 41,000. DID Y'ALL GET ALL THAT MONEY FROM THE CITY? WAS THAT FUNDED? NO, IT WAS NOT FUNDED. OKAY. WAS NO. IF IT HAD BEEN FUNDED, IT WOULD BE BUILT.

OKAY. OKAY. SO WAS IT WAS OKAY. SO THERE WASN'T 41,000 FOR THE WALKING TRAIL. THE CITY ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH PLANS FOR AN ADA ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE. ONCE WE DID THAT, OKAY, THAT WAS KIND OF THE THING.

THIS WOULD BE LIKE OUR FIRST ADA ACCESSIBLE PARK. OKAY, ONE OF THE THINGS I WRESTLE WITH JANICE, BESIDES THE SAFETY IS, IS THE, IS LIKE WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE USE, THE USAGE OF THE PARK. I, IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A ART WALKWAY, BUT THERE'S LESS THAN RIGHT NOW

[00:20:07]

YOU KNOW, IF WE DID, WE COULD CERTAINLY RUN SHUTTLE BUSSES FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, PEOPLE DRIVING BY WHO WANT TO STOP, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARKING THE THREE SPACES RIGHT THERE. THERE'S KIND OF ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA. I KNOW ON ACROSS THE STREET IS OFTEN A PLACE WHERE CARS WILL PARK WHEN WE HAVE WORK DAYS AND NUMEROUS PEOPLE THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS MORE THAN SIMPLY THREE PARKING SPOTS, BUT WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO EXPERIENCE THE PARK. AND YOU, YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE COME AND ON VALENTINE'S DAY, THEY'RE TAKING PICTURES IN FRONT OF THE HEARTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO AS I SAY, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A POCKET PARK HERE, OKAY. IN MANY WAYS. SO I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ADDRESSED THIS OR NOT, BUT IF IF YOU HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO DO THIS. DO YOU HAVE THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THIS TO BE PUT IN AND NOT YET? IS THAT PART OF THIS COST THIS 41000? YES. OKAY.

WELL, YEAH, THE 78,070. YEAH. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. THE 41,000 WAS NOT FOR THE ADA ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY. THAT WAS FROM LAST LAST JUNE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S GONE UP IN PRICE. OH YES. YES. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. A NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE OCCURRED TO CAUSE IT TO GO UP IN PRICE. YES. THIS MIGHT BE THE NEWEST ONE, THE ONE YOU BROUGHT US, THE THING YOU BROUGHT US THE LAST MEETING. RIGHT? RIGHT. SORRY. LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. YEAH. WISHFUL THINKING. YEAH. THAT'S THE 54,000. YEAH. FOR THE FOUR FOOT WALKING PATH. CONCRETE. AND THEN THE 30 FOOT BRIDGE. OKAY. THAT'S THE 11000 ENGINEERING SURVEY. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT'S A 78,000. OKAY. OKAY. SO DO WE WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS COMING FROM? DO YOU THINK THIS IS WORTH IT OR IS THIS WELL, THAT THAT OPENS UP THE CONVERSATION INTO THE NEXT SUBJECT, WHICH IS DAWN DRIVE. AND, AND THE QUESTION WE HAD OF COUNCIL, I THINK, WAS, IS THIS I THINK THE WORDS THAT WERE USED WAS ZERO SUM GAME. IF WE ONLY HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW, BUCKET OF MONEY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MONEY AND A BUDGET FOR DAWN CIRCLE OURSELVES, MUCH LIKE YOU'VE BEEN APPROACHING FOR, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A POINT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHING FOR DAWN CIRCLE AND OR WHATEVER WE CALL 4TH OF JULY.

AND MONROE PARK'S GOT LIKE FIVE NAMES. SO BUT FOR THE FOR SIMILAR REASONS, ASKING FOR A PARK AND AMENITIES FOR THE CENTRAL PART OF LAGO VISTA. YEAH. WHEN. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A PART OF YOUR PLAN. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT. YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT YOU HAD TAKEN THAT TO CITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS. I HAVE A COPY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK FROM MARCH 7TH, 2022. I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THE PARKS P RECS RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL FROM JUNE 2025, WHERE WE VERY SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR DAWN. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A A PRIORITY THAT WE THINK TO ENCOMPASS MORE

[00:25:02]

WE'LL SEE IF, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE IF THEY'D FOLLOW IT OR NOT OR SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE'LL STAGGER THE START OF EACH, YOU KNOW, FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT AND STILL APPROVE BOTH, BUT I WOULD. YEAH. WHY NOT? LET'S ASK FOR BOTH. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT BEING RECORDED. SO NO ONE'S GOING TO SAY THAT. SO WHY NOT? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT TIME, RIGHT. IT'S HIGH TIME WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE $15,000 BUDGETS THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND NOW FINALLY, THERE'S AN APPETITE ON CITY COUNCIL. AND A BIG PART OF IT IS JUST CLUBS DOING MORE. YOU GUYS ARE MORE ACTIVE. YOU'RE WORKING ON THE MASTER PLAN NOW.

SO WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A VISION AND KIND OF A TACTICAL APPROACH TO GET THERE. WE TRUST OUR STAFF NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE TO BE ABLE TO HELP US VISION AND DELIVER. SO I THINK LET'S, LET'S, LET'S COME TOGETHER AND MAKE THE CASE TO ASK FOR BOTH AND LET'S GET THEM BOTH DONE.

SO THE MOTIVATING FACTOR WITH CLUB GOING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WAS ACTUALLY THIS GUY RIGHT HERE WHEN HE GAVE HIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PARKS AND, AND HIS VISION FOR THE ANNE MORROW 4TH OF JULY CIRCLE, DAWN DRIVE PARK. AND HE WAS NOT LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM. IT WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY. SINCE THEY HAD ASKED US TO COME BACK, I THOUGHT, THIS MUST BE THE TIME.

THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO DO IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I HAD TALKED WITH Y'ALL IN SEPTEMBER, I HAD TALKED WITH YOU ALL IN FEBRUARY ABOUT HOW WE WERE WANTING TO RAISE MONEY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO AND WE THAT WE DECIDED THAT WAS NOT WHERE OUR HEARTS WERE. AND THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. AND SO THEN WE KIND OF STEPPED BACK. AND THEN DAVID STEPPED IN AND IT WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL, LET'S TRY THIS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF, OF WHAT MOTIVATED ME OR CLUB AT THAT POINT TO GO. YEAH. AND IT WAS NEVER AN EITHER OR. IT WAS A, OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY. SO YEAH, I MEAN, SORRY, AS I SAY, I MEAN, I'M PERSONALLY I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA DEFINITELY TO PROPOSE AND PUT FORWARD ONLY THE FUNDING KIND OF BOTHERS ME. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED A BIT OF THE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT. THAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW. I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WELL, WE WOULDN'T BE THE WALKWAY WOULDN'T BE ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THE PO PARK ALONG BOWDEN. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAFFIC DOWN PARK ALONG BOWDEN. I'M SORRY. YEAH. ON ON BOWDEN, THE PO PARK, THE WALKWAY BACK BEHIND THE. PARK.

YEAH. BEHIND THE GYM. OH YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE AT LEAST WE'RE WHAT, 100 YARDS OFF ROAD? WELL, IN SOME PARTS. OTHER PARTS. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE. I WALK THAT FREQUENTLY. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THAT PART COMES. SO. WELL, I KNOW YOU ALL, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE

[00:30:04]

AND WE ACTUALLY ENJOY THE GRAVEL TRAIL WAS THERE. WHY WAS THERE A THOUGHT TO GO CONCRETE VERSUS MAYBE A MORE NATURAL. THE REASON FOR THE CONCRETE IS THAT IT REQUIRES LESS MAINTENANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WALK THAT TRAIL, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ALSO. AND THOUGH A GRAVEL TRAIL IS ADA APPROVED, I BELIEVE A CONCRETE TRAIL IS MUCH EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO WALK. MY HUSBAND CURRENTLY WALKS WITH A ROLLATOR AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE WALKING ON THAT. THE POA PARK, BUT HE HAS WALKED THE PARK AND CEDAR PARK AND THAT'S MUCH EASIER FOR HIM TO USE WITH HIS ROLLATOR. SO THAT'S BETWEEN THE MY AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING ABOUT IT. BUT BASICALLY IT'S THE LESS MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. THANK YOU. CAN WE THROW YOU IN THE MIX? DAVID? YOU. WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS? AND SO THE I, I WAS BROUGHT UP TO THAT POINT AND HAD A CONVERSATION EARLY ON WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT CALEB IS DISCUSSING THE PROJECT WITH. AND ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME, I SIMPLY SAID TWO THINGS TO HIM. AND I, IN FACT BROUGHT THE BOOK OUT. ONE, THAT ANY WALKWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. AND HE INDICATED HE WAS COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND HE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PART OF HIS CONSTRUCTION CREW WHO ALSO, HE SAID, WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS. THE ONLY OTHER THING I SAID IS THAT WHATEVER IS BEING BUILT OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY THAT PROJECT HAS TO COME THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO ENSURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH LOCAL REQUIREMENTS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD OPERATE MUCH LIKE A SIDEWALK DOES. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST ENSURING ACCESSIBILITY IS IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S TRUE OF ANY NEW AMENITIES THAT WE BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AMENITY. AND THE OTHER THING, AND I THINK HE'S CONSIDERING THIS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PARTICULARLY CLEAR ON THE DRAWINGS, IS THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF OTHER AMENITIES THAT EXIST OUT THERE ALREADY PICNIC TABLES AND PARK BENCHES, FOR EXAMPLE. SOME OF THOSE WILL NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE ADJACENT TO THAT WALKWAY. SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. YES, CONCRETE IS ONE ALTERNATIVE FOR AN ADA SURFACE. DECOMPOSED GRANITE IS ANOTHER. THAT IS AN ENORMOUS MAINTENANCE CHALLENGE. WE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT SUNSET PARK HAVE ONE GOING UP TO THE SOFTBALL, I'M SORRY, THE SOCCER FIELD AND THE VOLLEYBALL COURT AND ONE WHAT APPARENTLY USED TO BE A DECOMPOSED GRANITE RUNNING DOWN TO THE BALL FIELDS. AND THAT IS VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT ANYMORE. AND I IMAGINE THAT IS IN FAR LESS IN FAR WORSE SHAPE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE TWO DOWNPOURS THAT WE EXPERIENCED. SO ANYTIME YOU GET THAT, IT CREATES RUTS, IT WASHES AWAY. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO TAKE PARTICULAR CARE OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THEY'VE GOT TO BE MORE THAN BOUND. SO THEY CAN'T IT DOESN'T GET AWAY.

BUT EVEN THEN REVEAL THAT FORM. SO IT IS. THEY'RE MASSIVE MAINTENANCE DIFFERENCES. BUT THERE ARE ALSO INITIAL SIGNIFICANT COST DIFFERENCES. SO YOU JUST SORT OF LAY OUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND SO LIKE I SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS TREATED MUCH LIKE A SIDEWALK IS. AND IN MAKING SURE THAT NOT JUST THE WALKWAY ITSELF IS ACCESSIBLE, BUT SO ARE AMENITIES ALONG THE WAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY AFTER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EVALUATING, ASSESSING, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE SAFETY ISSUES, I THINK THERE'S SOLUTION TO THAT,

[00:35:04]

[IV.2. Discussion of conceptual drawings of a potential “pocket” park on approximately 2.2 acres of city-owned property on Dawn Drive between Lynn Lane and Lago Vista Way (TCAD parcels 177904 and 177907), designated as “City Park” by Ordinance No. 24-09-05-03.]

WELL, YEAH, I GUESS THEY GOT THE FIRE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SLEEP ON ME. YEAH. YEAH. AND I APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE WHO HAS ALREADY SEEN THIS PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT THE AT LEAST JANICE AND KAREN. SO YOU'RE SEEING IT AGAIN. YEAH. THE SO IT ISN'T NEW THERE. THE. BUT THIS IS TONIGHT'S MORE ABOUT LEADING TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'VE IDENTIFIED THIS AS A POCKET PARK, THOUGH WE HAVE TALKED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT DEPENDING UPON WHAT COMMUNITY YOU'RE IN, POCKET MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS. FOR SOME COMMUNITIES IT'S ANYTHING LESS THAN AN ACRE. OTHERS IT'S TWO TWO ACRES OR LESS. SOME EVEN GO AS MUCH AS THREE. SO IN THE CONVERSATION AS WE'VE HAD IT THIS EVENING, BOTH BOWDEN AND POCKET, I'M SORRY, BOWDEN, POCKET, BOWDEN AND DAWN DRIVE QUALIFY AS POCKET PARKS. GIVEN THEIR SIZE, DAWN DRIVE, WITH ITS TWO PARCELS, IS JUST OVER TWO ACRES. BOWDEN IS, I THINK, 1.2 ISH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THAT LARGE, BUT MAYBE IT IS. SO YEAH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL ACTUALLY THAT COMES ON THE HEELS OF WHAT PRAC HAS BEEN PRESSING WITH COUNCIL ACTUALLY SINCE 2022. AND SO IT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL. THESE TWO PARCELS AS IDENTIFIED IN TCAD. SO THE CITY OWNS THESE PARCELS AND PRACTICE SAID PERFECT LOCATION TO DO SOME SORT OF PARK DEVELOPMENT. AND SO COUNCIL THEN MOVED ON THE IDEA AND AT LEAST CHANGED THE FLUME TO IDENTIFY THESE PARCELS AS CITY PARK. BUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH LINDA AND SHE REMINDED ME THAT WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE ZONING ON THIS LOCATION. SO. AND ANDREW, YOU SEEM TO THINK IT ALREADY HAS A P1B DESIGNATION. KAREN, DO YOU KNOW THAT? AND I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. NOTHING IS COMING OUT AS I LOOK, AS I DO A SEARCH DOESN'T MEAN IT HASN'T HAPPENED. AND I WILL DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THAT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, EVEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S A RELATIVELY EASY FIX. WE SIMPLY TAKE THAT TO P AND Z AND ASK THAT THESE TWO PARCELS BE DESIGNATED P1B SPECIFICALLY PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF A VIEW OF THAT LOCATION. SO IF I'M STANDING ON DAWN DRIVE LOOKING IN, THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY THAT PEOPLE SEE. THERE'S IF YOU JUST SORT OF LOOK INTO THE VASTNESS OF THE LARGER PARCEL, THERE'S LOOKING ACROSS KIND OF THE SHORTER GREEN SPACE THAT'S SEPARATED FROM THE LARGER GREEN SPACE BY THE DRIVEWAY. AS YOU LOOK TOWARDS DAWN DRIVE IN THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT. IT'S, IT'S GOODLY. IT'S, IT'S GOOD AND EXPANSIVE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS OLD ROADWAY,

[00:40:05]

KEEPING IN MIND AGAIN, THAT SPECIFICALLY ONLY CHANGES THE FLUME TO IDENTIFY THAT AS CITY PARK, IT DID NOT CHANGE ZONING. SO I WILL CONTINUE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ZONING CHANGE HAS BEEN EFFECTED. IF NOT, THEN THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS.

AGAIN. PRAC HAD RECOMMENDED ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2022, AGAIN IN 2025, SOME DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE AND THE PARK PROPOSAL INCLUDED A TRAIL, PLAYGROUND, GAZEBO, PICNIC TABLES AND BENCHES AT THE AT THE MINIMUM, BECAUSE I THINK AS YOU GUYS SORT OF DEFINED IT, THAT WAS KIND OF LOW HANGING FRUIT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. AND THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE FLATTEST PARCEL THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THE CITY OWNS IN TERMS OF DOING ANY POTENTIAL PARK DEVELOPMENT. AND THE OTHER BONUS HERE IS YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGE THERE IS IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED AND PRESUMABLY AN IMMEDIATE TARGET AUDIENCE. SO THE COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, HAS REPEATEDLY SAY WE'VE GIVEN YOU $15,000 BUILD A POCKET PARK. SO THE FIRST BIT OF BAD NEWS I HAD TO GIVE IS I COULDN'T DO IT FOR $15,000 IF I WANTED TO. $15,000 JUST DOESN'T GO VERY FAR. AND. BUT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT. I RECALL THEN COUNCILOR PAUL ROBERTS TO JUST CLEAR IT AND PUT A SWING SET.

SO THAT IS THE MINIMAL CONCEPT HERE. SO YOU SEE THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE SWING SET, YOU'VE GOT ACCESSIBLE PARKING LOCATED THERE, YOU'VE GOT AN ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY, YOU'VE GOT SOME IMMEDIATE SITE FURNISHINGS PLACED ADJACENT TO IT, BUT IT LITERALLY IS A TWO BAY SWING SET. AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT ON A SWING SET, THE BAY IS THE SPACE BETWEEN TWO UPRIGHTS. THE REASON THAT'S A TWO BAY SYSTEM IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MIX BAYS. WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION NUMEROUS TIMES, SO I CAN'T PUT TOT SWINGS AND SLAT SWINGS TOGETHER BECAUSE TODDLERS AND SCHOOL AGE KIDS JUST USE THEM DIFFERENTLY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO BAYS. AND ONE OF THOSE IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PUT IN AN ACCESSIBLE SWING, WHICH IS, IS USUALLY A HARD PLASTIC CONSTRUCTION. AND IT'S EASY TO TRANSITION A CHILD FROM A WHEELCHAIR OR WHO IS ANYWAY A MOBILITY IMPAIRED INTO THAT. AND THEN THERE'S A HARNESS HOLDS THEM IN, AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME SWING EXPERIENCE. SO THAT'S KIND OF

[00:45:02]

YEAH. AND SO THIS IS THE POINT THAT I KEEP TRYING TO MAKE. THIS IS WHY $15,000 DOESN'T BUILD A POCKET PARK. BECAUSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER FEDERAL MANDATES IN TERMS OF PLAYGROUND SAFETY OR IN TERMS OF ADA ACCESSIBILITY, AND PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET ADA HAS BEEN FEDERAL LAW SINCE 1990. WE'RE THREE AND A HALF DECADES INTO THIS THING. UNFORTUNATELY, HERE IN LARGO, WE ARE WAY BEHIND IN TERMS OF GETTING THERE AND BEING ACCESSIBLE. AND IT'S EVERYWHERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE FULLY AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR WE HAVE DONE ADA SURVEYS HERE AT THE CIVIC CENTER. SO IT INCLUDED CITY HALL, IT INCLUDED THE LIBRARY, IT INCLUDED LIBRARY, FRIENDS PARK, IT INCLUDED VETERANS PARK. WE DID ONE AT SUNSET PARK. WE DID ONE AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX, WHICH INCLUDED THE POOL BALL FIELDS AND ALL THE ADJACENT AMENITIES THAT ARE THERE AS WELL. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE DONE. THE BAD NEWS IS THAT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ACCESSIBLE. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US.

BUT JUST DOING THE SURVEY IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND EVEN SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE MADE PROGRESS. YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE CITY A YEAR AGO PUT IN THE PARKING LOT AT SUNSET PARK.

THAT'S AN ACCESSIBLE PARKING LOT. FOR A WHILE, THE PARKING LOT WAS ALL THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE, SO YOU COULD DRIVE INTO THE PARK AND LOOK AROUND, BUT YOU COULDN'T REALLY GET ANYWHERE FROM THE PARKING LOT. BUT YOU RECALL A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO, WE WENT IN AND WE MADE THE RESTROOM, THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PICNIC AREA ACCESSIBLE SO THAT MUCH IS ACCESSIBLE. SO WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND AS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS HERE, AS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH KALEB, WE BANG THE ACCESSIBILITY DRUM, WE BANG THE MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH BEING COMPLIANT WITH ALL FEDERAL LAWS, STATUTES, ETC. AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT MOST STATES, TEXAS INCLUDED, ALL THEY'VE SIMPLY DONE IS POINT TO FEDERAL GUIDELINES AND SAID, YEP, THOSE ARE OUR GUIDELINES TOO. SO AS YOU DEVELOP PLAYGROUNDS, THE CPSC'S PLAYGROUND SAFETY HANDBOOK IS THE GUIDE, THE RULE BOOK HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS IT IS FEDERALLY. AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE OF ASTM, AMERICAN SOCIETY OF TESTING AND MATERIALS. THEIR STANDARDS CONCERNING MANUFACTURING, AND THEY'RE REFERENCED IN THE CPSC.

THOSE ARE ALSO LOCAL STANDARDS. THOSE ARE STATE STANDARDS IN TEXAS. SO WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY SAYS, WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST FIXED THE SWING SET AT BOWDEN? YOU CAN'T FIX WHAT ISN'T MANUFACTURED TO BE IN THAT PUBLIC SETTING. SO IT HAD TO BE REMOVED. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. SO ACCESSIBILITY WAS JUST ONE ELEMENT, BUT THERE WERE LOTS OF OTHERS. AND THE MANUFACTURING WAS THE FIRST. AND THE INTERESTING THING IS, WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED, NOBODY PROBABLY LOOKED AT THE STICKER THAT WOULD HAVE SAID MADE FOR BACKYARD USE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF HOW THOSE THINGS ARE MANUFACTURED. SO ANYWAY, SO GETTING BACK TO WHERE WE ARE AND THERE YOU CAN SEE SO, SO THE DESIGNS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY JUST SORT OF THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THERE. GIVE SOME PROPER SENSE OF SPACING, LAYOUT, ETC. IT'S OVERLAID OVER THE TOP OF AN ACTUAL MAP OF THE FACILITY. SO THEY LAND WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO LAND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT WAS CREATED BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE QUOTE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE MADE UP THAT'S BASED UPON THEIRS. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE NEARLY $100,000? NOT NECESSARILY. YEAH. BECAUSE BECAUSE FOR ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER HE WENT TO WHEN HE SAW A SWING SET. THERE MAY BE ONE THAT COSTS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY OTHERS THAT COST SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SITE FURNISHINGS. WHEN YOU BUY THEM FROM A MANUFACTURER AND YOU PLUG THEM INTO A BROADER PROJECT LIKE THIS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE GOING TO COST YOU 2 OR 3 TIMES WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR ME TO ORDER IT AND HAVE MY TEAM PUT IT OUT IN PLACE. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY WAYS TO REDUCE THAT COST SOME. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM NEARLY $100,000 TO $50,000, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TRIM THAT BY 10 OR 15%. BUT AGAIN, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A REAL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN CREATED BY FOLKS WHO DO THIS AS A BUSINESS, AND THEIR QUOTE IS BASED UPON THEIR EXPERIENCES IN TALKING TO THE MANUFACTURERS, ETC. THAT THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH. OKAY. SO THAT WAS SORT OF THE EASY THING. THAT WAS THE JUST PUT IN A SWING SET CONCEPT. SO NOW AS WE TALK ABOUT PARK DEVELOPMENT AND FLESHING THIS OUT A BIT, SO

[00:50:03]

[00:55:04]

THEY SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH TO BITE OFF IN A SINGLE CHEW FOR ANYTHING BIG. I MEAN, FOLKS LIKE A $1.4 MILLION OR $2.2 MILLION PROJECT, BUT THERE'S THE RECOGNITION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE NOT EVEN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO A PHASED APPROACH MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE. TO WHICH I COUNTERED, THAT'S OKAY. BUT IF THE PLAN ULTIMATELY IS DESIGNED TO DESIGN A COMPLETE PARK DESIGN FIRST COMPLETELY, AND THEN YOU CAN PHASE IN ELEMENTS OF THAT DESIGN OVER OVER TIME, BUT AT LEAST KNOW FROM DAY ONE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PROJECT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE DESIGN THING IS SO SIGNIFICANT. AND SO I NEGOTIATED, AS I OFTEN DO, CAN I USE THE CURRENT $15,000 FOR POCKET PARKS TO DO DESIGN? AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THERE'S AN OPENNESS TO DO THAT. ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPONSE WAS NOT ALL 15,000. BECAUSE BECAUSE THE VIEW IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 15% OF THE COST OF THE SWING SET. AND I GET IT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE DESIGNING FOR SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. AND SO THERE'S A PRICE TAG FOR THAT TOO. SO THE SO THAT'S ISSUE ONE. WE, WE, I THINK THERE IS THE, THE WILLINGNESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT LEAST DESIGNING SOMETHING, DESIGNING IT TO BUILD IT IN PHASES. AND IF WE CAN SQUARE THAT UP FAIRLY QUICKLY, THEN I THINK WE CAN PLUG SOMETHING IN FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A WILLINGNESS TO USE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS TO DO THAT, WITH THE CAVEATS THAT KAREN INDICATED. YOU CAN'T FORGET IT'S A TREE MITIGATION FUND PRIMARY PURPOSE OF WHICH IS REPLACE WHAT'S BEING RIPPED OUT OF THE SOIL. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THE LATEST FIGURE WAS ABOUT $903,000 IS CURRENTLY IN THE TREE MITIGATION FEE. IT IS GOING BEFORE P AND Z THIS MONTH TO REMOVE THE WORD POCKET, BUT NOT NECESSARY IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. SO THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THEN THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, OKAY, HOW MUCH OF A PARK DO WE DEVELOP IN TERMS OF DOLLARS? AND SO I, I THINK WE LANDED AT A PLACE THAT WAS COMFORTABLE ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN DESIGN OUR BUTTS OFF, JUST RECOGNIZING THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO KEEP REASONABILITY IN MIND. BUT IF WE'RE THINKING IN THOSE TERMS, THE QUESTION BECOMES ONE OF, OKAY, WHAT AMENITIES ARE THE REAL PRIORITIES? SO IF WE'RE SPENDING $100,000 OR WE'RE SPENDING $300,000, OR WE'RE SPENDING $500,000 OVER TIME, WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THOSE AMENITIES? AND SO THE ENCOURAGEMENT WAS TO COME BACK TO YOU FOLKS TO ASK THAT QUESTION. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND SO WE ARE SEEING SOME OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE THINK OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED AS WE CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH A PHASED DESIGN OF THE PARK? SO I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. THANK YOU. DAVID JOKE. THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT 15,000 WHEN THEY JUST SPENT 300,000 ON SOMETHING WE'RE NOT EVEN USING. NO COMMENT. SO. LOOKING AT THOSE, I AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED MIS INTERPRETED IT, SOME OF THOSE DRAWINGS, BUT IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU HAD ANY ACCESS ROADS FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HIS NAME IS MICHAEL IN THERE? YEAH. NO, IT WASN'T BUILT IN. AND THAT'S. SO THAT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL COST. YEAH. WE WOULD HAVE TO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. AND SOME OF IT'S A POLICY DECISION. BUT THERE DID SEEM A CONCERN ON THE PART OF COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU DESIGN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SIMPLY CUT HIS ACCESS OFF TO THE TO THE REAR OF HIS PROPERTY. AND SO IT'S A QUESTION OF, OKAY, DO WE BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE COST OF CREATING THAT, THAT SHARED EASEMENT AND PUTTING IN SPECIFICALLY AN ASPHALT ROAD? DO WE JUST LEAVE IT AS IS AND JUST BUMP IN ANY DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, SO THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES ON THE TABLE. SO ROAD JUST FOR YOUR SAKE. THAT WAS THE ROAD TO THE WATER TOWER. YEAH. AND THAT WAS ALMOST ALL THE WAY BACK. I THINK AT SOME POINT IT, IT KIND OF REVERTS BACK INTO HIS PROPERTY, WHICH

[01:00:05]

IT'S SO IT'S NOT HUGE. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU IT'S, IT'S PRETTY DECENT IF YOU USE THE WHOLE THING AND THAT CIRCUMNAVIGATE THE ENTIRETY OR SOMETHING. NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT YOU MIGHT GET A FULL CIRCLE OUT OF THAT. OVER 2.2 ACRES, THREE QUARTERS. YOU MIGHT BE. YEAH, THIRD OF A MILE TO A HALF A MILE SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. WALKING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. I THINK I WOULD START YEARS AND YEARS AGO WITH A FEW WIGGLES TO BE ABOUT HALF A MILE. YOU. HOW FAR WAS IT? ABOUT HALF A MILE WITH A FEW. YEAH, IT'D BE LIKE BE LIKE BARQUET CIRCLE. YEAH, CLOSE TO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY, YEAH, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A THIRD AND A HALF MILE ON THERE SOMEWHERE. OKAY, OKAY. AND IN THE PHASED APPROACH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INPUT ON WHAT THOSE AMENITIES WOULD BE IN THAT FIRST PHASE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT. SO AGAIN, BECAUSE BACKING UP PRECEDING PHASES IS DESIGN. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES ONE OF WHAT AMENITIES DO WE WANT THERE IN TOTALITY. AND THEN HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THOSE IN TERMS OF ACTUAL BUILD. OKAY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NO REGRET BUILDS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A CAR PARK IN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, THE SECOND PHASE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO RIP THAT OUT AND PUT A PLAYGROUND THERE. YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT IS SO, SO IF YOU COMPARE, YOU KNOW, EITHER CONCEPT 1 OR 2 VERSUS JUST THE SWING SET, YOU SEE WHERE THE PARKING IS FOR THAT. SO, SO THIS IS WHY DESIGNING IN TOTALITY IS SO IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD THAT WITH AN INTENTION OF EVENTUALLY GETTING TO THAT OR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT SOME OF WHAT YOU JUST PUT IN BECAUSE IT'S IN THE WRONG LOCATION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO A KNOW WHAT YOU WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE AT THE END, AND THEN DECIDE HOW MANY STEPS IT TAKES TO GET THERE TO, YOU KNOW, STAY WITHIN FISCAL REASONABILITY MAKES SENSE. AND THERE'S WATER TO THE AREA ALREADY. THERE'S A LOT. THERE'S WATER IN THE AREA ALREADY. YEAH.

THAT'S YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S YEAH. THE ACTUALLY THERE ARE UTILITIES ALL OVER THAT PLACE.

SO, SO IT WOULD NOT BE A SUNSET PARK IN THAT REGARD. YEAH. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICAL OUT THERE, YOU'VE SEWAGE NOT FAR POTABLE. IS THERE WATER. BUT NO, NO LIGHTS PER SE. THERE ARE NO EXCUSE ME. THERE ARE NO LIGHTS ON SITE. BUT AGAIN THERE'S ELECTRICAL AND SEVERAL OF THOSE AMENITIES LIKE THE RESTROOM AND THE SPLASH PAD WOULD REQUIRE ELECTRICITY WOULD REQUIRE POWER. THERE ARE NO LIGHTS ARE CALLED OUT THERE. SO PRESUMABLY THIS WOULD BE A DAYLIGHT PARK. DAYLIGHT PARK. YEAH. AND TO GO BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHICH AGAIN, IF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT AMENITY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO EXPAND HOURS OF OPERATION, JUST KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A COST, RIGHT? OKAY. BUT BUT IT'S A VALID, A VALID ISSUE. SO I WOULD CONSIDER AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO TO THE PARK AT NIGHT, AND I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. YEAH. AND I THINK I WOULD PUT THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I KNOW THE COSTS ARE GOING UP. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS GOING UP WITH MATERIALS, ECO FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS. SO I GET THAT. BUT IF WE'RE IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE RIGHT LIKE BEST BETTER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THE TIME TO KIND OF REALLY THINK THROUGH THAT. BUT WITH THAT, I WITH ENERGY COSTS GOING UP, DAVID, HAVE YOU CONSIDER SOMEHOW BRINGING IN FUNDING FOR SOLAR ENERGY IN GENERAL TO SUPPORT TO REDUCE ENERGY COSTS? SO YEAH, SO SUNSET IS EXCLUSIVELY SOLAR BECAUSE THERE'S NO POWER OUT THERE. SO YOU HAVE FOR PARKING LOT LIGHT, WELL FOR WALKWAY LIGHTS AND YOU HAVE THE RESTROOM. BOTH OF THOSE ARE COMPLETELY SOLAR POWERED. SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.

AND IN FACT, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FOR SOLAR LIGHTING FOR THE THE NEW ENTRY INTO THE PARK.

IT WAS A $50,000 GRANT. WE DID NOT GET IT. THAT WAS THROUGH LCRA. WE FOUND OUT THERE WERE 692 APPLICANTS. SO THIS GREAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, KEEP TRYING. SO AND WE'LL DO THAT. AND THERE

[01:05:03]

YOU KNOW, THAT DOES THAT KIND OF LIGHTING CURRENTLY. AND I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S SOMETHING IT COULD BE CONSIDERED. I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS COULD BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO TALK TO THE STATE ENERGY CONSERVATION OFFICE UNDER THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER OFFICE, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN PROGRAMS THAT CAN SUPPORT, FROM TIME TO TIME GRANTS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, FOR SOLAR ENERGY. YEAH, OPPORTUNITIES. SO I THINK. I THINK THERE IS A LIGHT THERE, DAVID. ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE IS A PUC LIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER WHERE YOU MEAN JUST JUST A STREET LAMP. YEAH. WHERE IT SAYS NATIVE VEGETATION. I THINK THERE'S ONE THERE. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER DONE DAWN DRIVE PARK IN THE DARK. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ESTIMATES, RIGHT, LIKE SOME OF THE, THE PLANNING DESIGN ESTIMATES ARE HUGE, RIGHT? FOR LIKE CONCEPT TWO, CONCEPT THREE.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING. SO DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIZATION OF AMENITIES LIKE A WHAT A WALKING TRAIL, A PLAYGROUND, SOME PICNIC TABLES. I MEAN, I GUESS I'M QUESTIONING WHY IS THE DESIGN COST SO HIGH? IF WE WENT BACK AND JUST SAID, PUT THE BASIC AMENITIES IN FIRST, OBVIOUSLY SITING THEM TO ALLOW THE PHASING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, DO YOU SEE ANY A WAY OF SAVING THERE DEPENDING ON WHICH AMENITIES ARE PRIORITIZED PERHAPS. YEAH. SO THE YEAH. BECAUSE YOU YOU CAN. SO DESIGN IS ALWAYS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL PROJECT.

THAT'S TYPICAL. BUT NO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE SOMETHING, YOU CAN. FOR EXAMPLE, CONCEPTUALLY DESIGN AS WE'VE SORT OF DONE HERE AND THEN WHERE YOU DECIDE HOW YOU'RE PHASING BREAKS DOWN, YOU CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AT THAT POINT. AND SO YEAH, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, SAY IN FOUR PARTS, THEN YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE TOTAL DESIGN COSTS, BUT YOU'RE CONNECTING WHERE YOU NEED TO CONNECT. AND SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE A SAVINGS IN THAT REGARD IF YOU'RE DESIGNING AS YOU GO.

YEAH. CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. DAVID. I, I LOVE THE, I THINK WE SHOULD ONLY CONSIDER TWO LONG TERM. BUT MY CONCERN, ONE OF THE REASONS I GOT ON THE BOARD WAS WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLERS OR HIGH SCHOOLERS. SO INSTEAD OF JUST A BASKETBALL COURT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD VISUALIZE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE KIDS, OLDER KIDS TO PLAY INSTEAD OF A SWING SET IN THAT IN THAT AREA WHERE THE BASKETBALL COURT IS? YEAH, SAND VOLLEYBALL OR WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? YEAH. SO SO THERE'S A SAND VOLLEYBALL COURT AT SUNSET. DOESN'T GET A TON OF USE. IT GETS SOME USE BY HIGH SCHOOLERS DURING THE SUMMER. BUT NO, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY MAKE PLAY IN FITNESS APPARATUS, FOR EXAMPLE, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR OLDER AGES, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT YOUR STANDARD SWING SLIDE, MERRY GO ROUND PLAYGROUND, BUT YOU CAN DO LITERALLY WHERE THE FOCUS IS ON PHYSICAL FITNESS.

YOU CAN DO A FULL BLOWN FITNESS ZONE. IN FACT, YOU COULD WEAR EITHER ONE OF THOSE WALKWAYS OR DESIGNED, YOU LITERALLY COULD PUT FITNESS STATIONS ALONG THOSE WALKWAYS. YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGNER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. LOOK AT OUR YEAH, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK MAKES SENSE. IF WE'RE NOT, IF IF YOU THINK THERE'S A DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE'RE MISSING, NOW'S THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I SEE THAT OUR KIDS HAVE NOTHING. YEAH, OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY JUST DON'T. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S WHY THE E-BIKES HAVE COME UP. AND, AND ALSO, I KEEP WONDERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISC GOLF, EVEN OUR PARKS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT FOR THAT AGE GROUP. YEAH.

RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. IS THERE A SPOT ANYWHERE FOR DISC GOLF? IT'S PRETTY SMALL. IT'S TOO SMALL FOR THAT. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT. SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE GONNA HATE THIS ONE. I SEE THAT PIECE OF LAND BEING USED BY DOG WALKERS. AND YOU. IT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH. IT'S POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW.

NO, NO, I MEAN, THERE'S AN OUTCRY FOR DOG PARKS. NOBODY WANTS TO DO IT BECAUSE NOBODY

[01:10:02]

SO YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE. IT FITS RIGHT INTO THAT CONCEPT. YEAH. SO I'M STILL NOT HEARING

[01:15:07]

I'LL DEFER. I MEAN, THIS IS A HUGE TASK FOR $15,000. I PRESUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KC BUILDING. YES. YEAH. SO THAT IS STILL JUST IN DISCUSSIONS. IT IS ONE OF FOUR PROPOSALS. I THINK ONE WAS A REDO OF THIS. ONE IS A BUILD FROM SCRATCH HERE IN THIS SAME AREA. ONE WAS STAY PUT AND THEN ONE WAS KC BUILDING. DID THAT ABOUT COVER IT. YEAH. YEAH I THINK I MEAN WE'RE STILL I GUESS I CAN'T SPEAK TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK TO MR. KC. JUST KIND OF NEGOTIATION. I, I THINK OVERALL THE APPETITE IS WHAT MORE CAN WE DO TO EXPAND HERE WHEN IT'S NEEDED? LIKE EVEN RELOCATING CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SO OFFICES CAN EXPAND IN HERE TO BUY US SOME TIME. BUT THE BIGGER VISION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO BUILD A PURPOSE BUILT CITY HALL. WE'VE GOT THAT SPACE BEHIND THE POLICE STATION, ADJACENT TO THE LIBRARY, KIND OF CITY HALL, COMMUNITY CENTER, AND PROBABLY MOVE OUR ESD IN THERE TOO. AND THERE'S SOME GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES IF WE COMBINE THOSE DIFFERENT USE CASES INTO A BUILDING OR A COMPLEX THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERALL PLAN. AND SO THE THIS MUNICIPAL DRIVE DOWN DRIVE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE ANCHOR POINT OF THE BEAUTIFUL AREA CLUB HAVE DONE UP TOP WITH THE SIGN AND THEN THE ANCHOR POINT OF THE PARK BELOW. AND THEN THESE PARKS HERE AND BONANZA POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WALKABLE AND NICE. AND IT'S A GATHERING PLACE FOR THE CITY. SO THAT'S STILL, I THINK, THE GENERAL VISION OR PLAN. SO THE THING IS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN THE INTERIM TO SECURE ENOUGH SPACE FOR, FOR CITY STAFF AND FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH IS JUST DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT. YEP. BUT YEAH, AT THIS POINT, STILL JUST A DISCUSSION. SO GOING BACK TO YOUR PLANS, DAVID, HONESTLY, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. I THINK THEY OBVIOUSLY A PATH IS A NO BRAINER. GOT TO HAVE A PATH IN THERE. OBVIOUSLY PARKING, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF WATER, ELECTRICITY, SEWER TOILET, THAT SORT OF THING.

THEY'RE NO BRAINERS TO ME. THE ACTUAL WHAT WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THERE IN THE WAY OF FACILITIES, I'D HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. I CAN'T THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD NOW. I'D BE JUST SPOUTING STUFF OUT. YEAH. SO SO AND THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T NEED TO TO COME TO ANY CONSENSUS HERE, BUT YOU AT LEAST NOW HAVE SOME CONCEPT. BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION WITH YOU AGAIN, JUST AS A SPRINGBOARD, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THAT COUNCIL SEEMS VERY AMENABLE TO USING CASH ON HAND TO DO SOME DESIGN WORK. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH FAIRLY QUICKLY. SO WHY DON'T YOU MULL IT OVER AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK FOR FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION. JUST TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES OF AMENITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A POTENTIAL PARK THERE AT DAWN DRIVE AND WHAT YOU GUYS THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE. SO YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY JUST BRING THAT BACK TO THE REGULAR MEETING. AND CAN I ASK, SO DAVID, IS YOUR GOAL MAYBE NEXT MEETING KIND OF CONFIRM WHAT WE THINK SOME PRIORITY ITEMS ARE, AND THEN YOU'LL FEED THAT INTO DIRECTION TO CREATE THE NEW CONCEPTUAL PLAN, RIGHT? HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHAT SUPPORTS THE PHASING. BUT THEN HERE WOULD BE A PHASE ONE OF, SAY, $100,000 OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ASAP, ALONG WITH THE BOWDOIN PARK, TO MAKE SURE WE CAN SECURE THAT FUNDING, ESPECIALLY GOING IN AS WE'RE BUDGETING NOW FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS IS SOMETHING REAL. THESE THINGS COULD HAPPEN NOT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. WE COULD ACTUALLY GET SOME REAL RESULTS HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING YEAR, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING. SO YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OPTION TWO PLAN OR OPTION ONE. DID THEY HOW MANY TABLES DID THAT INCLUDE AND DID IT INCLUDE SHADE PAVILION. I'M SORRY, DID INCLUDE A SHADE PAVILION, I MEAN, OR SOME KIND OF PICNIC TABLES WITH A SHADE OVERHEAD. CONCEPT TWO DOES. CONCEPT TWO DOES. YEAH. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE THERE? IS IT JUST HOW MANY JUST UNDER WELL TABLES UNDERNEATH IT. YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S A 20 BY 25 SHADE. SO THAT'S 400 AND HOWEVER MANY FEET THAT IS ACTUALLY I THINK

[01:20:06]

OKAY. SO THAT'S PRETTY EXPANSIVE. MAYBE EVEN SIX. YEAH. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE SORELY MISSING IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A LOT OF HAND. THE ONLY ONES WE HAVE ARE AT SPORTS COMPLEX, THE TWO VERY SMALL ONES, WHICH ARE VERY SMALL, RIGHT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ALL THE SPORTS STUFF. I JUST WANT A PLACE TO GO HAVE A PICNIC OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR MY KID. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE LACKING, PERIOD.

SO TOTALLY AGREE. YEAH. SO I KNOW FOR MY OPINION IMMEDIATELY, I'M KIND OF WITH STEVE, I'D BE GOING WITH CONCEPT TWO AND WE CAN BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE AMENITIES ARE. BUT WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, ARE PRETTY GOOD. I WOULD AGREE WITH SOME ATHLETIC TYPE THINGS ALONG THE WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, SOME FITNESS. YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE AGE GROUP. I THINK THIS PARK IN PARTICULAR SERVES A LOT OF PURPOSES IN A, IN A, IN A LARGE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU NEED WHAT YOU NEED OR IF YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM US TO SAY, HEY, LET'S PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH THIS DESIGN CONCEPT AND MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. SO, SO GOING BACK TO COUNCILOR VANESSA'S POINT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET CONSENSUS DURING OUR NEXT DISCUSSION, WHICH FORTUNATELY IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY QUICKLY. AND I WOULD SAY SO LOOKING AT THIS AS AS A SPRINGBOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE THINK ARE ESSENTIALS IN TERMS OF NECESSARY AMENITIES, I.E.

RESTROOMS, THAT KIND OF THING, A PICNIC SHELTER. AND THEN IN TERMS OF ACTIVE PLAY ELEMENTS AND THEN PASSIVE ELEMENTS, WALKWAYS. SO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WE PROBABLY WILL NEED TO NARROW OUR FOCUS DOWN TO A TOP 5 OR 6 AMENITIES. AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF DESIGN AROUND THAT. I DID HAVE ONE SEND US THIS WITH THE COST ESTIMATES. SAY THAT AGAIN. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SEND US THIS WITH THE COST ESTIMATES? THE COST ESTIMATES ARE ARE ARE ATTACHED. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO IF I'LL SEND YOU THE ENTIRE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND YOU ALL THE DETAILS ARE THERE. I LIKE THE WAY YOU JUST SAID IT THOUGH POSING THOSE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU COULD SEND US THAT SO WE CAN ALL PONDER THAT BETWEEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, EVERYBODY SHOULD COME WITH THEIR TOP 5 OR 6, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT. DAVID, CAN YOU FLASH BACK TO THE NUMBERS AGAIN? SURE. WAS WATER AND SEWER BROKEN OUT ON THAT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT. I'M SORRY. LIKE IF WE WANTED A BATHROOM. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO YOU'VE GOT SO RESTROOM IS IN SITE ITEMS THERE. PARKING LOT RESTROOM LIGHTING AND UTILITIES. OKAY. YEAH. SO AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING FOR ONE PARKING LOT. RESTROOM LIGHTING AND UTILITIES ARE THERE. YEAH. AGAIN, IT'S MUCH SMALLER FACILITY, BUT YEAH, IT'S BROKEN OUT IN THAT WAY. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE RESTROOMS ARE WATER SEWER. NO, NOT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IDENTIFIED AS THAT. BUT MY GUESS IS THEY WOULD BE SORT OF A DROP IN PLACE PORTABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING BECAUSE IT'S SO LESS EXPENSIVE. YEAH. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH, YEAH. DAVID, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE'RE FACING A WATER CRISIS JUST IN THE STATE ITSELF, WHAT KIND OF NATURAL BASED SOLUTIONS ARE INTEGRATED ASIDE FROM THE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT YOU INCORPORATE? BUT LIKE, MAYBE THIS IS THIS IS 2.2 ACRE. I KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE A RETENTION POND RIGHT NOW, BUT BUT I MEAN, ARE THERE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPERS THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE INCORPORATING OTHER NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS THAT WHERE WE CAN SAVE UP ON WATER AND THERE WILL BE A SENSITIVITY TO WATER BECAUSE EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THE CENTRAL TEXAS REALITY. YEAH.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT. YOU KNOW, SOMEDAY IF WE GET TO TYPE ONE EFFLUENCE AND WE CAN USE RECYCLED WATER AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS SO MUCH, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. BUT YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY A CONSIDERATION TO WATER CONSERVATION BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A LOCAL REALITY. OKAY. THANKS, DAVID. HOW DOES INCORPORATING PLANS AT DAWN DRIVE AND BOWDEN POINT IMPACT THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR PARKS AND REC? ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR CURRENT AMENITIES THAT THE CITY OWNS? YEAH. SO THE WE ARE LITERALLY ALREADY IN THE MIDST OF, OF DEVELOPING BUDGETS. AND, AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING ON MINE THIS WEEK. AND SO THERE ARE REDUCTIONS IN SOME AREAS. THERE ARE INCREASES IN OTHER AREAS. THE. SO, SO SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS, THOSE ABSOLUTELY WILL NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO UP

[01:25:06]

PUT THINGS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO IN TERMS OF LINE ITEMS. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTRACT SERVICES MONEY. WELL, I'VE HAD TO USE AN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS YEAR. I'VE HAD TO USE PLUMBERS A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS YEAR AND I'VE HAD TO USE I JUST HAD A TREE REMOVAL COMPANY OUT YESTERDAY. THAT'S $7,000 THAT I SPENT THIS YEAR IN A LINE ITEM THAT WAS ZEROED OUT. SO I'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THAT. OTHERWISE, I CAN'T DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO YEAH, REALITY WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET THAT GOES BEFORE COUNCIL. NOW ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL SAYS YAY OR NAY DO WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT, BUT I WILL PUT IN THERE AND I WILL JUSTIFY EVERY DOLLAR THAT I'M PUTTING IN THERE. I'LL JUST COMMENT THOUGH, LIKE THIS IS MORE OF A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, TREE MITIGATION FUND OR FUTURE OUT OF GRANTS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO REACH, RIGHT? SO THIS IS MORE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, NOT ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS THAT DAVID'S, YOU KNOW, GOT. SO YEAH, SO, SO A PARK PROJECT SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE A CIP BUDGET BUDGET ITEM. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT BE IN THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET. IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT YEAH, THE FUNDING SOURCE IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND SO YEAH, BUT WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BULK OF M AND O USUAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION.

THAT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY. SO YEAH, THERE WILL BE A, A, AN INCREASE IN SOME AREAS AND A DECREASE IN OTHERS. BUT YEAH, THIS IS SEPARATE FUNDING AND IT WILL ACTUALLY BE IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT ALTOGETHER. OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT AMENITIES ARE MAINTAINED, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES OUT AT SUNSET PARK AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE SWIMMING POOL TOO. YEP, ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY GOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR DAVID ON THIS TOPIC? I DIDN'T GET LEFT OUT. GOOD JOB. WELL DONE, WELL DONE. JAY ROACH. DID YOU? ALL RIGHT. THE LAST TOPIC. WHERE HAVE I PUT IT. ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION REGARDING THE

[IV.3. Discussion regarding the purpose and purview of the Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee]

THE PARK, THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE WAS CREATED TO ACCOMPLISH THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. AND THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE POINTS. THE FIRST POINT ACT AS

[01:30:09]

SO. WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE. OBVIOUSLY BOUGHTON POINT, YOU KNOW, IS A PARK AND ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARK, IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME UNDER OUR PURVIEW. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT DOING A GREAT JOB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH TRYING TO DIVIDE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAS FOR THE CIRCLE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT OVER THERE. WHAT DAVID'S JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SHOWN HIS IDEAS FOR. SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS HOW NOT TO TREAD ON EACH OTHER'S TOES AND TO, YOU KNOW, WORK IN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY UNISON WITH EACH OTHER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ONE. WE'RE NOT TWO PARTIES TRYING TO BUTT HEADS HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE AWESOME JOB WITH, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE OTHER END OF DAWN DRIVE. I MEAN, I WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZED WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT YOU GUYS PUT ALL THAT IN AND, YOU KNOW, YOU RAISED AND IT DID ALL THAT YOURSELVES. I THOUGHT THAT WAS BRILLIANT. I MEAN, YOU'VE DONE SOME ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT THINGS AROUND TOWN. SO I HAVE OBVIOUSLY MARK SENT SOMETHING AND HE COULDN'T BE IN HERE TODAY. AND I THINK CAROLYN'S GOT SOMETHING TO READ. SO I'LL PASS IT OVER TO YOU CAROLYN. OKAY, SO I'M READING THIS IS A COMMENTS FROM MARK DOUGLAS. HE WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT. SO LET ME JUST READ IT VERBATIM.

GOOD EVENING. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S SPECIAL CALLED MEETING DUE TO A PREVIOUS COMMITMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU REGARDING BOUGHTON PARK, FIRST THOUGHT ROLES FROM CITY ORDINANCES, ARTICLE 9.1600 PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SECTION 9.1601 CREATION AND PURPOSE STATES. A PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS HEREBY ESTABLISHED TO PERFORM SUCH DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS AS ARE REQUIRED OR AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS ENABLING ARTICLE. THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHALL. A ACT AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL. THE RESPECT TO THE USE OF PARKLAND, PARKLAND DEDICATION FUNDS, THE ACQUISITION OF NEW PARKLAND AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARK FACILITIES. REITERATING SOME THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY SAID. THESE ARE CITY COUNCIL'S WORDS, NOT MINE AND NOT PARKS. THE RULE IS UNAMBIGUOUS FUNDS DEVELOPMENT AND ACQUISITION OF NEW PARKLAND. CVB'S ROLE IS NOT SPELLED OUT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY ORDINANCES. I BELIEVE THEY ARE A PHENOMENAL VOLUNTEER GROUP, BUT IT IS UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD ACT AS A PROXY FOR THE CITY TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARK FACILITIES.

IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A CONTRACT PROJECT BEYOND THEIR ROLE FOR BEAUTIFICATION OF CITY PROPERTY. NEXT THOUGHT PRIORITIES PRAC HAS BEEN DISCUSSING FOR THE PAST YEAR ABOUT PRIORITIES PRIORITIZING PARK FUNDS USAGE. WE BELIEVE ALMOST TO THE PERSON THAT THE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR ACQUIRING AND OR DEVELOPING NEW PARKS. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA IS WOEFULLY UNDERSERVED IN TERMS OF LEVELS OF SERVICE LOSS IN PARENTHESES, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE NICE TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS FOR ADDING AND IMPROVING AMENITIES. PARKS

[01:35:04]

NEXT THOUGHT SPLITTING THE CONTRACT INTO TWO PROJECTS TO AVOID THE BIDDING PROCESS.

SPEAKING OF THE BIDDING PROCESS, I WAS SOMEWHAT ASTOUNDED THAT COUNCIL WAS ACTUALLY PUBLICLY SPEAKING ON THE DAIS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF SPLITTING THIS PROJECT INTO TWO TO AVOID THE COMPETITIVE BID THRESHOLD OF $100,000, CITY ATTORNEY BRAD BULLOCK SPOKE UP IMMEDIATELY, EVEN INTERRUPTING THE DISCUSSION, WHICH I'VE RARELY SEEN HIM DO, TO CAUTION COUNCIL STRONGLY AGAINST CONSIDERING THAT NEXT THOUGHT. THE IDEA THAT THE FACEBOOK FACEBOOK POLL WAS BIASED. I PUT THAT POLL OUT THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT. IF ANYONE HAS WATCHED THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS OF PARK MEETINGS, THEY WOULD NOTE THAT VIRTUALLY NO RESIDENTS COME TO ATTEND OR COMMENT VIA ONLINE. THESE MEETINGS FOLKS WILL NOT COME TO A MEETING OR SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE EITHER INTIMIDATED OR THEY FEEL IT IS TOO ARDUOUS. THEY WILL, HOWEVER, OPEN ABOUT ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS ON A FACEBOOK POLL.

INTERESTINGLY, THE NUMBER ONE VOTE GETTER WAS SPEND MONEY ON EXISTING AMENITIES THAT NEED REPAIR. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT AN OPTION DUE TO THE POCKET PARK REQUIREMENT OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. HEAD TO HEAD BETWEEN SPENDING THE MONEY ON BOWDEN PARK ARE DEVELOPED ON CIRCLE PARK. FIRST, THE RESULTS WERE 47 TO 17 TO DEVELOP A NEW PARK AT DAWN CIRCLE VERSUS THE ART WALK. IT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC POLL, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN TERMS OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK AT OUR MEETINGS. IT IS MY OPINION. IT IS A MYTH. THIS ART WALK PROJECT HAS BROAD PUBLIC SUPPORT. QUITE THE OPPOSITE, IN FACT. DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE COMMENTS, SEVEN COMMENTS EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN THAT THIS INTERSECTION IS TOO DANGEROUS TO INVEST MORE MONEY INTO THIS PARK. ANOTHER FEW EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT THE PARK IS NOT UTILIZED ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE COST. YOU SHOULD STUDY WHAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL, PERHAPS UTILIZING A WILDLIFE CAMERA RANDOMLY THROUGHOUT A FEW WEEKS AT A TIME, AT VARIOUS HOURS OF THE DAY. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE THOUGHTS AND THE HARD WORK PUT IN ON EVERYONE'S PART. SINCERELY, MARK DOUGLAS. OKAY, SO THAT'S MARK'S COMMENTS. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MARK, FOR SENDING THAT IN. OKAY. AND THEN MYSELF, I HAD SOME COMMENTS AFTER READING MARK'S COMMENTS, SO BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO THANK MARK FOR HIS STATEMENT AND INPUT. IN ADDITION TO MARK'S WELL THOUGHT OUT POINTS REGARDING ROLES, PRIORITIES, AND TRAFFIC, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY AFTER WATCH THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

[01:40:05]

FOR SURE. FUNDING WAS ANOTHER ISSUE. SIMPLY PUT, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE ARE NOT WELL FUNDED, AND OTHER CITIES NONPROFITS LIKE PARKS FOUNDATION ASSIST THE PARKS, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEES AND ADVISORY BOARDS WITH DEVELOPING PARKS. THIS IS VERY COMMON IN IN WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. IN 22 AND 2025, PRCAC HAD PUT TOGETHER DOCUMENTS SUPPORTING PARK DEVELOPMENT WITH SPECIFICS, OUTLINING DIRECTION FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE FOR LOW EFFORT, LOW COST PARKS TO IMPLEMENT ACROSS THE CITY. BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE SUPPORT OR THE MONEY. WE WERE CONTINUALLY ACTUALLY TOLD THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 15000 MAYBE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEEING THIS PRESENTATION, THAT DOESN'T GET YOU MUCH. IT JUST DOESN'T. SO BUT DAWN CIRCLE HAS BEEN ON OUR FIRST ON OUR LIST FOR MANY YEARS. WE'VE RECENTLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, MET WITH THESE DENIALS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS. SO WE WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN WE FOUND THAT CALEB WAS REQUESTING $110,000 FROM THE PARKS FUND, WHICH WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T ACCESS. OKAY, SO THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING IN. YEAH. THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS WITH CONTRACTOR PROPOSED CONTRACTOR BIDS AND USAGE OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, WHICH WE WEREN'T GIVEN ACCESS TO. THERE WERE EVEN COMMENTS FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS SUGGESTING THAT CALEB COULD IMPLEMENT THINGS FASTER WITH WORKING WITHIN THE CITY WITH WHETHER IT'S CALEB OR PARKS, CONTRACTORS MUST BID EQUALLY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STATEMENT CAME FROM. THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T OFFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING COMMENT.

CERTAINLY SAFETY STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET. CONTRACTORS HAVE TO BID, YOU KNOW, EQUALLY SO. AND AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MY HUMBLE OPINION, PERHAPS PURPOSE AND MISSION IS TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THE BEST USE OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO ESTABLISH A PRIORITY FOR PARKS DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ANY AMENITY AT ANY CITY OWNED PARK. BEAUTIFICATION ON PARKLAND IS AMAZING AND AWESOME, BUT THAT'S NOT AN AMENITY THAT MUST ADHERE TO PARK SAFETY STANDARDS. AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. SO RIGHT NOW, CRACK HAS ESTABLISHED A SUBCOMMITTEE CURRENTLY REEVALUATING THE CURRENT PARKS SECTION OF THE PARKS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN. THERE'S A PARK SECTION IN THERE. ONE OF THE FIRST OBSERVATIONS WE HAD AND COMMENTED ON WHEN THE PARKS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS GOING ON, WAS THAT WE FELT IT WAS DEFICIENT IN THE USE OF THE SURVEY THAT WAS GIVEN. IT WAS VERY BIASED. THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE COMMENTED AT EVERY SINGLE OPEN FORUM THAT THERE WAS. SO WE WERE GETTING REPETITIVE COMMENTS FROM THE SAME PEOPLE AT EACH MEETING. SO WE FEEL IT'S A BIT BIASED. THE SURVEYS RIGHT NOW WE ARE ATTEMPTING IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO EVALUATE. WE HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN PARKS MASTER PLANS WHICH WE'RE GOING THROUGH. WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE BEST PRACTICES AND AMENITIES AND APPLY THEM TO LAGO VISTA PARKS, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE ANALYZING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, COMMUNITIES, EFFORTS. ONE IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTANDS THE NEED FOR ONE SINGLE MASTER PLAN THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN FOLLOW. OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE INTEREST GROUPS APPROACHING COUNCIL FOR FUNDS, WHICH MAY IN TURN NEED TO BE RIPPED OUT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ACCORDING TO THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS COMMUNITY FOCUSED, TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER'S INTERESTS IS PROBABLE. WITHOUT A COMMON GOAL FOR PARKS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMON PLAN WE'RE WORKING ON, AND THEN WE WORK FROM THERE ON EXPANDING IT AND BEAUTIFYING IT AND DOING WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED. BUT IT STARTS WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT THE COMMUNITY ADHERES TO. THIS IS HOW ALL PARKS WORK WITH THEIR CITIES AND WITH THEIR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEES. SO I HAD A PREVIOUS CITIZEN COMMENT TO COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING ON APRIL 16TH, AND AGAIN ASKING COUNCIL IF THEY'RE WATCHING TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS AS GIVEN TO PROCEED. IT'S OUR MISSION TO ALLOW DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT ACCORDING TO MASTER PLAN PRIORITIES. IF A RESPONSE IS NEEDED FOR AN ALLOCATION OF 110 000, PLEASE LOOK AT THE PRIOR REQUESTS. WELL, WE'VE ASKED FOR VERY SPECIFICALLY HAS BEEN DONE. CIRCLE. NOW, WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US TODAY IS KIND OF A MODIFIED

[01:45:04]

THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, SO LET'S. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. SO, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENT WHEN I HEARD SOME THINGS FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT PREC IS ASKING, IT'S NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANY TOES BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, COVE COVE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. I'M KIND OF IN AWE OF YOU GUYS. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH YOU DO. THERE'S IT'S SO APPRECIATED AND WE NEED IT. IT'S PARKS, BEAUTIFICATION, PARKS DEVELOPMENT IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. AND THAT'S WHAT SHOULD FALL UNDER PARKS IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND I FELT LIKE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHAT I WAS WITNESSING WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH PARKS? THERE'S A REASON, OKAY. AND IT'S BECAUSE WE NEED A MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT, NOT BEAUTIFICATION DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME AND TO ME. I SEE JUST A JOINT PATH FOR BOTH OF US WORKING ON NEW PARKS. AND BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB ALREADY. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE A CONFLICT. I SEE COMPLEMENTARY ACTIONS, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE FUNDING PROPOSED FOR THE PRIORITIES IN THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY UPDATING, IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.

AND I THINK CIRCUMVENTING THE PROCESS IS I HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO ASK FOR THAT. IT INVITES OVERLAP AND OVERSPENDING, NOT TO MENTION CONFLICT BETWEEN SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY. IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WATCHING, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, ONCE AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND OF THE PROCESS AND THE PARKS MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, BECAUSE I SEE THAT JUST LIKE JANICE MENTIONED, I SEE SOME GOOD THINGS HAPPENING, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD COMPLEMENTARY WORK TO BE DONE. BUT I DO SEE THAT THEY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. TO ME, COVID IS VERY MUCH BEAUTIFICATION. WE JUST AND PARKS COMMITTEE IS VERY MUCH PARKS DEVELOPMENT, SO THE TWO HOPEFULLY CAN WORK TOGETHER.

WHERE WE WILL RUN INTO TROUBLE IS IF ONE TRIES TO DO WHAT THE OTHER ONE'S DOING. SO, AND I THINK WE JUST WORK TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, ON BEAUTIFICATION. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY MY $0.02 THERE. THANK YOU. CAROLINE, I DO HAVE A COUPLE WORDS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO MARK AND HIS COMMENTS. I'M A NEW MEMBER, BUT I'VE LIVED IN LA VISTA FOR FIVE YEARS. AND THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF REPRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND IN GENERAL, ALL AROUND. BUT I SEE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE WHERE WE HAVE GOOD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON BOARD. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DAVID, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING FROM YOU BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY I'M GRADUATING ON MAY 9TH. MY ONE OF MY DEGREES IS GOING TO BE COMMUNITY REGIONAL PLANNING PLANNER DEGREE. WOW. WHICH I'M EXCITED. AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY. I WORK WITH NONPROFITS ON A DAILY BASIS AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. I WORK IN THE ENERGY SECTOR. SO I THINK MORE THAN EVER IN A TIME WHERE WE ARE SEEING HOW UNFORTUNATELY POLAR ICE IN GENERAL, WE ARE, I THINK WE'RE IN A MOMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO UNITE, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CLUB AND THE PARKS TO UNITE TOGETHER AND HAVE CLEAR UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE PROCESSES. I KNOW THERE'S HISTORY. THERE'S ALWAYS HISTORY IN ANY LITTLE TOWN. THERE'S ALWAYS HISTORY EVERYWHERE. BUT I THINK THERE'S A MOMENT WHERE WE I SEE THIS AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING MORE INCLUSIVE OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS GROWING AND IT IS DIVERSIFYING. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT VOICES THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE ROOM THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WANT THAT TOO. I KNOW YOU WANT TO WORK WITH YOUNG PEOPLE. I KNOW YOU WANT TO WORK WITH THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY JUST LIKE WE DO. RIGHT? SO WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT, YES, YOUR BEAUTIFICATION ORGANIZATION, BUT I DON'T JUST SEE YOU AS

[01:50:03]

OKAY. I DON'T THINK I DESERVED THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU UP FRONT, WITH YOU. I HAVE LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. AND. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. AND MR. DOUGLAS'S SURVEY WAS ONE OF THEM. YOUR STATEMENT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT I FELT WE WERE BEING ATTACKED. I REALLY FELT THAT WAY. AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT CLUB HAS TRIED VERY HARD TO WORK WITH THIS GROUP, TO COMMUNICATE WITH THIS GROUP, AND TO STILL WORK AND BEAUTIFY OUR CITY. WE ARE AN ASSOCIATE. WE ARE AN AFFILIATE OF KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL, AN AFFILIATE OF KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL. WE ARE A GOLD STAR AFFILIATE FOR THE SIXTH YEAR IN A ROW, WE ARE RECOGNIZED ACROSS THE STATE FOR WHAT WE DO. AND FOR THIS GROUP. TO HANDLE THIS SITUATION AND CAUSE ME PERSONALLY, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THIS ORGANIZATION, TO FEEL CHIDED, I BELIEVE IS UNCALLED FOR. AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING AT ALL. BUT I WANT YOU, EACH ONE OF YOU, TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO WORK WITH YOU, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND TO CONTINUE WITH OUR MISSION. AT THE SAME TIME. ANY. ANY HEAD BUTTING, TOE STEPPING.

WAS NEVER PART OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. UNDERSTANDING. IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE. I WANT TO DEFINITELY APOLOGIZE IF THAT CAME ACROSS AS CHIDING.

YOU CERTAINLY DIDN'T INTEND THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I WROTE DOWN THAT MY COMMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS HOW MUCH VALUE KELLY BRINGS BRINGS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR ITS BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS. AND THERE'S JUST NO COMPETITION THERE. THIS IS AMAZING. THE WORK YOU DO CERTAINLY WASN'T INTENDED TO CHIDE. THE ONLY

[01:55:01]

THAT IS THE COMMENT. CERTAINLY NO INTENTION FOR ANY KIND OF CHIDING. AND BOY, IF MY WORDS SAID THAT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT YES, WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOAL OF BEAUTIFYING LAGO VISTA. AND YOU GUYS DO A FANTASTIC JOB OF THAT WITH PARKS, MEDIANS AND, YOU KNOW, THE PARK SIGNS AND SO MANY PROGRAMS KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. DOES INCLUDING ADOPT SPOTS AND TRASH PICKUP? I COULD GO ON AND ON. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO. BUT AND IT'S FANTASTIC. THE ONLY COMMENT I WAS MAKING WITH REGARDS TO PARKS DEVELOPMENT. SO AND THAT WAS THE MAIN COMMENT I WANTED TO ADDRESS. SO I HOPE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T INTEND FOR YOU TO FEEL THAT WAY AT ALL, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE FAULT, THE FAULT LIES IS WITH CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE CLUB HAVE JUST BEEN RESPONDING THERE WITH THEIR IDEA AND THEIR RECEPTIVITY TO CITY COUNCIL AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO GO BACK AND GET YOUR BID ON THE PROJECT AND SO FORTH. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY TOTALLY ON THE PARKS AND REC SIDE, WITH MINIMAL BUDGET FOR ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND NOT REALLY LISTENING TO PROPOSALS THAT WERE DONE OVER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT FRUSTRATION THERE. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A CHANCE TO, AS WE'VE ALL SAID, TO COORDINATE WHERE COORDINATION MAKES SENSE AND WORK TOGETHER.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO SEE A JOINT PRESENTATION FOR YOU GUYS AND SAY, WE ADVOCATE, WE DO BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS AND FUND THEM BOTH AND GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. LET'S SWING BIG BECAUSE WE I THINK I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MORE RECEPTIVITY NOW AND BETTER MOMENTUM NOW THAN WE'VE EVER HAD BEFORE, AND PROPOSE IT TOGETHER. AND I ALSO THINK I WOULD DO IT IN A MUCH MORE CONCISE FASHION. BUT I THINK SOME POINTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE TO JUST EXPRESS, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR, RIGHT, AS A PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND JUST HAVING THAT BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL, AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE TWO GROUPS COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD TAKE IT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL AT ODDS AT ALL OR CHIDED OR ATTACKED. THAT'S I HATE THAT YOU GUYS FEEL THAT WAY. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE FELT THAT WAY, EVEN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APOLOGIZE THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. I JUST SEE NOW THAT WE'VE HAD A VERY OPEN DIALOG HERE AND LET'S COORDINATE AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER. AS MARLENE SAID, WE'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL. AND CAROLYN, WE'VE GOT WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE TOGETHER AND CONTINUE TO DO GREAT THINGS FOR THE CITY. SO AND I WILL SAY THAT AFTER WATCHING THE COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING, MOST OF MY COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED NOT TO CLUB, BUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MADE SOME COMMENTS THAT HONESTLY WERE INSTIGATING. OKAY. AND I'M ADDRESSING THOSE NOT DIRECTED AT YOU AT ALL. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE MAYBE THERE WERE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS BY SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBERS AS TO PARKS AND RECS ADVISORY ROLE, AND I FELT LIKE THAT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED AND, AND IT NEEDS. AND THE PROCESS. ONCE AGAIN, I'M FOCUSED ON THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IN OTHER CITIES, YOU SEE THIS EXAMPLE OF HOW IT SHOULD WORK AND WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THERE. AND I THINK CIRCUMVENTING THAT PROCESS CAN BE A PROBLEM. SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS. WELL, AGREED. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL IN THE MEETING, MAYBE NOT SUCCESSFULLY, BUT IT'S CONTINUED DIALOG THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. AND I WOULD THINK AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, AN UPDATE ON WHERE YOU GUYS ARE WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS YOU'VE LOOKED ACROSS ALL THESE DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS, AND HERE'S WHAT OTHER CITIES DO THAT ARE EFFECTIVE WAYS OF MANAGING AND PLANNING AND BUDGETING, YOU KNOW, ARE RECOMMENDING BUDGETING FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND INCLUDE THAT. AGAIN, I WOULD BE MORE CONCISE THAN THE TWO STATEMENTS HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE MAIN FOCUS IS WE WANT TO PROMOTE THE IDEA THAT WE LIKE BOTH OF THESE IDEAS, FUND THEM BOTH, RIGHT? SO THAT'S OUR MAIN, OUR, YOU GUYS DECIDE WHAT YOUR MAIN MESSAGE IS. I'M BEING TOO DIRECTIVE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU GUYS DECIDE. BUT I, I WOULD INCLUDE THAT PART OF THE MASTER PLAN IS

[02:00:05]

SO THE SO WOULD BE THE SEVENTH. WE DON'T FORGET THE SEVENTH. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOU GUYS ALL AVAILABLE ON THE SEVENTH. YEAH. WE'LL BE WE'LL BE IN CHICAGO.

YEAH. WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THE SEVENTH? THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSING. DISCUSSING WHAT TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL AND THEN WOULD PUT IN OUR 1318. THAT'D BE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TWO PROJECTS AND THE. PRESENTATION. SO YOU CAN REMEMBER. YEAH. KAREN SUGGESTED. CORRECT. AND THEN MAKE SURE WE ARE EXPLICIT ABOUT OUR GOAL AS WELL. AND PART OF THAT, WELL, I THINK YEAH, KIND OF CONCISE COMMENTARY ON THAT, BUT ALSO UPDATING WHERE YOU GUYS ARE ON THE MASTER PLAN PART, BECAUSE A LOT OF A LOT DIRECTIONALLY HINGES ON THE MASTER PLAN. AND JUST, I'VE BEEN A UPDATING ON THAT AS WELL THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT TO GET THAT DONE AS PART OF THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I DON'T KNOW. DAVID, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS, IS THAT WE LOADING TOO MUCH INTO WHAT THEY PRESENT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BEING A JOINT PRESENTATION BETWEEN THE. AND SO THAT IT MIGHT BE A BIT QUICK TO GET US TO PRODUCE SOMETHING AND THEN TO TURN AROUND, TO TURN AROUND VERY QUICKLY, THEN. WELL, I'M JUST THINKING JANICE HAS ALREADY PRESENTED HERE AND AT CITY COUNCIL THE THE PLAN AND THEN THE AMENDED PLAN, LEAVE THE SWING SET OUT FOR NOW AND FOCUS ON THE ART WALKWAY. SO THAT'S WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A WHOLE NEW PRESENTATION OF THAT. I THINK IT'S MORE US COMING TOGETHER AND BEING PROPONENTS OF WE, WE, WE PROPOSE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER DOING BOTH, DOING BOTH PROJECTS, FUND THEM BOTH AND LET'S GET THEM BOTH GOING. SO JUST A THOUGHT PLAN READY TO GO IF WE. IT'S MY PLAN READY TO. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONE. WELL, OKAY. WELL THEY ARE PLANNING TO MEET TO TALK ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT. YEAH, YEAH. SO THEN WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER. YEAH. NO, I, YEAH, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED. BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. ARE YOU PREPARED? THEY'RE MORE THAN PREPARED. RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE LAST ONE WE HAD WAS THAT WE HAVE ANYWAY WAS CLUB ART. OH SORRY. THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WE HAVE IS CLUB ART AND GARDEN PATHWAY WITH SWING SET PROPOSAL FOR BOWDEN POINT.

THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE. SO PROBABLY WE WOULD NEED THE UPDATE WITH YEAH YEAH YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEN WE WOULD COME UP WITH PRIORITIES FOR DORN CIRCLE. RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON IT ON 13TH. YES, ON THE COUNCIL ON 14TH FOR 21ST. THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN. YEAH. AND THEN DAVID, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO EMAIL US THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT BEFORE. OKAY. GOT IT, GOT IT. AND THAT WOULD BE MAY 7TH AT

[02:05:01]

NEXT WEEK. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 630 THEN. OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL TRY IT OUT SOME BITS BEFORE THAT BETWEEN US. YES YES, YES. 630 AND THE SEVENTH. AND IT'S BEHIND THIS WALL BEHIND US. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL IT. MEETING ROOM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL.

WE'LL CALL IT ROOM. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO WHAT ELSE WE GOT GOING? OH. LET'S SEE.

WE'LL GET AN UPDATE OF THE MASTER PLAN GOING THERE. WE'LL GET KLVK. LZD. OH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. HERE. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CIRCLE. AND DAVID. SO WE'LL GET ALL THAT AND SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION. YEAH. FOR THE. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO ALL THOSE. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT MEANS SOME KIND OF SLIDESHOW OR SOMETHING. YEAH. I MEAN YEAH, WE CAN STILL. YEAH FOR SURE.

YEAH. CAN YOU MAKE IT MORE LEAN. OH GOOD. GOOD. ON MAY THE 13TH. MAY 13TH. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT THE SEVENTH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THE THREE TOPICS FOR THE. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST TO REITERATE THAT. SO 7TH OF MAY, THURSDAY, THE 7TH OF MAY, IS THAT CALLED THE MEETING ROOM? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MEETING BEHIND THIS WALL. COUNCIL CONFERENCE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS ON THE 13TH, WE WILL HAVE OUR REGULAR PRAC MEETING. WE'LL VOTE ON IT, TAKE IT TO US, THE COUNCIL ON THE 21ST AND DAVID WILL GET IT. WELL, WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN TO GET IT ON THE COUNCIL. THE THE DAY AFTER, ON THE 14TH WILL BE THE 14TH DAY AFTER, YOU KNOW, REVIEW IT AT OUR MEETING. YEAH. I'M ALL RIGHT. WE'VE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SAY WE'RE DOING THAT TO TO DAVID TO GET IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 14TH. SO I DON'T THINK WE WE CAN'T ADJUST IT THEN, CAN WE? I CAN GET IT ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM WITH A SECOND. SO I'LL SOCIALIZE IT WITH ONE OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ASK TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 21ST, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS PRETTY DEFINITE THAT YOU GUYS CAN COORDINATE AND PULL IT TOGETHER. SO HOPEFULLY I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL THE 14TH AND THEN WE'RE RIGHT LAST MINUTE BECAUSE THEY FILL UP, AGENDAS FILL UP. SO. THE 14TH OF THE MORNING OF THE 14TH, WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT PRESENTATION TO YOU, DAVID. YEAH. YES. RIGHT. YES. SO YEAH.

SO JANICE, WE CAN'T OBVIOUSLY ALTER IT AFTER THE 13TH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HAS ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? NOPE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN IT AT OH BLIMEY. EIGHT A. 845.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.