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[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
UH, 6 37 MAY 6TH, 2026.I'LL CALL OVER THE REGULAR MEETING AT BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.
AGENDA IS WHAT? CALL FRANK S I'M HERE.
AND OUR STAFF LIAISON IS HERE.
[II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
IS, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS.AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER LADY, BUT I'LL SPEAK.
COULD SHE COME UP TO THE LIGHT? CERTAINLY.
HI, IT'S ALTON MOORE AND I'M AT THE AIRPORT.
ALLOW ME TO SPEAK FROM THESE NOTES AS WE WILL SAVE TIME THAT WAY, I PROMISE.
UM, EIGHT YEARS AGO, I BUILT MY AIRPLANE HANGAR 70 BY 70, 65 FOOT DOOR.
BUILT IT BY MYSELF THE FIRST MONTH OF IT WITH ONE HAND, BY THE WAY, WHICH WAS KIND OF COMICAL.
AND THE CITY WAS GOOD ABOUT GIVING MY PERMIT AND SEEING THE PROJECT THROUGH.
IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL AT THE AIRPORT, BUT WE GET BY, IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL, BUT WE LIVE THERE.
SO, LIKE I SAY, TOOK ME 110 DAYS TO DO IT.
AND THIS TIME I'M ON DAY NUMBER 63 AND STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A PERMIT.
AND STAFF BEGAN BY TELLING ME THAT IT WASN'T A HOMESTEAD, AND THEN THAT I SHOULD HIRE AN ENGINEER TO GET A PERMIT, WHICH I THINK IS BEYOND THE PALE.
UM, I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE INTERIM TIMELINE BECAUSE THAT BEGINS TO GET LEGAL, BUT, UH, I HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF AIRPLANE HANGAR SITTING OUTSIDE IN THE RAIN.
AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE STATUTORY AND OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF SUCH A DELAY.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT, WELL, YOU CAN BE.
I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER EVER SO BRIEFLY IN THE PAST, AND I'VE MET WITH STAFF AND I'M WILLING TO DO ALMOST ANYTHING AT THIS POINT TO MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG IN AN AMICABLE MANNER.
I ASSUME THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
I I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING NOW? AN AIRPLANE HANGAR.
AND YOU APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, AND YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THE PERMIT ISSUED.
YEAH, I I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
I WE DON'T SEE THOSE, SO, NO, I APPRECIATE, IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET AN ENGINEER TO SIGN OFF ON THE BUILDING? IS THAT WHAT THEY CAN'T GET? NO, THE, THE BUILDING COMES ENGINEERED AND THE FOUNDATION HAS ITS OWN ENGINEER.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE THE FIRST ONE.
SO WHY CAN'T YOU GET A PERMIT? UH, THE DESIGN SERVICE SEEMS TO BE A STICKING POINT.
THEY'RE RELATIVELY UNIN INFORMATIVE.
UH, THEY SAY, WELL, YOUR SITE PLAN'S NO GOOD.
SO I SEND THEM ANOTHER SITE PLAN.
THEY SAY, WELL, YOUR SITE LINE'S NO GOOD.
THEY ALSO DON'T APPEAR TO BE ABLE TO READ ENGLISH.
I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN SEE THE CODE THAT THEY'RE CITING, AND THERE ARE TWO THINGS THEY'RE JUST PLAIN WRONG ON.
AND SO FAR I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANOTHER RESPONSE FROM 'EM.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE AN, AN INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.
AND YOU HAVE THE MATERIAL SITTING THERE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
NO, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
ANYWAY, I THOUGHT I'D SHAME THE CITY A LITTLE BIT BY SHOWING UP.
CAN I GET YOU TO FILL ONE OF THESE OUT? IT'S JUST A SURE.
ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
UM, KIND OF COULD YOU TELL US WHO YOU ARE? OH, LINDA AD UH, I LIVE IN LAGO VISTA.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED, THIS IS LINDA AD
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP TODAY.
AND THEN, BECAUSE I WAS COMING TO CRCI WAS LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA BRING IT UP TODAY BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE HERE, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO HOME.
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WOULD TAKE TILL SIX 30, AND I DIDN'T WANNA GO HOME, SAY HELLO TO MY DOG, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND SPEAK.SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT CRC LASTED TILL SIX 30, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'LL LET ME SPEAK, BUT I DON'T HAVE NOTES AND I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN OUT, BUT I JUST KINDA WANNA BRING SOMETHING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION.
OH, WITH THE PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON, THAT COUNCIL WILL BE VOTING ON TOMORROW, AND THAT IS THE HOTEL PROJECT.
AND THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ASK YOU TO LOOK INTO IS THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE, UM, PROVIDES FOR PARKING FOR LARGE VENUES.
SO THIS HOTEL IS GOING TO BE ON A SEVEN ACRE PARCEL THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CONTAINED.
IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE CAN WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND PARK IF THEY RUN OUTTA PARKING SPACE RIGHT IN, IN THAT SEVEN ACRES.
AND OUR, OUR PARKING ORDINANCE DOESN'T SEEM TO ADDRESS IT ADEQUATELY, AT LEAST FROM THE WAY I LOOK AT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADEQUATE.
AND WHEN I'VE LOOKED UP ONLINE WITH ENGINEERS, HOW THEY CALCULATE PARKING, THEY CALCULATE IT DIFFERENTLY FOR RESTAURANTS AND FOR MEETING SPACE VENUES.
AND THEY ALSO CALCULATE IT DIFFERENTLY FOR MEETING SPACE VENUES.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE FOR A WEDDING WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE THERE ALL AT ONCE AND STAY THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
OR IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A, A FAIR OR SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING AND GOING, THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION.
SO BY MY CAL BY, WITH ALL THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE, I HAVE FOUND THAT OUR ORDINANCE COULD BE BEEFED UP A LITTLE BIT TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD THOSE KIND OF VENUES BEFORE AND NEVER HAD TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE.
BUT NOW THAT KIND OF LEAVES US, IF THEY, BY, BY PROVIDING PARKING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CITY CODE AND AT THE HOTEL PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INADEQUATE.
I THINK WE NEED TO, AND THE COUNCIL CAN, AND I HAVE TALKED TO SOME COUNCIL PEOPLE.
THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO, UNDER OUR CODE, WE, WE DO HAVE A PROVISION FOR THAT ON A PDD TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT THEY WILL DO THAT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING AS YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHEN YOU CAN.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KIND OF JUST TALK TO YOU OFF THE CUFF.
[III. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]
ROUTINE REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.THERE'S REALLY NOT TOO MUCH TO REPORT, UM, OTHER THAN THE, UH, UDC SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, DID MEET, UH, ON THE 23RD.
THE NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE JUNE 5TH.
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED A, UH, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION BOARD.
AND, UH, THAT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
UM, FRANK, YOU'VE ALREADY POSTED ON THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, OUR, OUR FIRST COUPLE OF, UH, EXCEL, UM, DOCUMENTS, UM, FROM JORDAN AND HER STAFF, UH, TO, TO WORK THAT OUT.
UH, I BELIEVE FRANK, YOU PROBABLY ARE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL.
WERE YOU ABLE TO GET INTO THE, UH, TO THE SPREADSHEET? YES.
SO, UM, THE TRUCKS STILL CHANGE
SO, UM, THAT, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THERE, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL WORK BEING DONE THERE.
UH, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA BE POPPING A COUPLE OF THINGS BACK OVER, OVER TO YOU, FRANK.
YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, UH, TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT I, THAT I FEEL WE'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JUNE 5TH AT 1:00 PM IT IS, IT IS JUST A, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A WORK SESSION OR SUBCOMMITTEE GROUP, BUT WE DO WANNA ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE TO COME, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP, AND THE REASON THEY POSTED IT ON DISCUSSION BOARD IS, SO ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSS, UH, IS PUBLIC FACING.
SO PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST REVIEW OR, OR KIND OF KNOW WHAT, WHAT TOPICS WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON AT THAT TIME.
THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A GOOD MEMOS TO CHAPTER NINE, NOT ABOUT, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS DUTIES WITH FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
YOU WON'T SPEAK TO IT MAY OR SHALL TO GRANT.
THERE WAS A CHANGE FROM SHALL TO MAY.
SO IT KIND OF, UH, KIND OF REDUCES, I GUESS YOU WOULD, I GUESS THAT KIND OF THE, UH, ABILITY.
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YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT FORCING IT TO DO ANYTHING.SO IT'S, THEY MAY IT, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT MAY WE DO OR NOT DO? THE CITY COUNCIL REFERRED
SO IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL IF, FOR INSTANCE, STUFF COULD GET STAFF OR COUNCIL COULD INITIATE STUFF WITH THE COUNCIL TO SOME DEGREE THAT'S
BUT THAT'S MAY EXCEPT TO THE COUNCIL.
I'M SORRY, FRED, CAN YOU JUST SO GIMME SOME CLARIFICATION AT WHAT MEETING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT, THAT, THAT HAD THAT HAPPENED AT? BECAUSE I'M GONNA NEED SOME REFRESHER ON THAT.
OR IF POSSIBLY, JORDAN, YOU KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
THIS WAS DONE WITHIN THE LAST FEW COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN THAT ORDINANCE OR THAT AMENDMENT WAS DONE AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS UNANIMOUS THAT IT CHANGED FROM SHALL TO MAY.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE TYING THE HANDS OF THE CITY COUNCIL IF THEY NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING BEYOND HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL THE BSC COULD REVIEW IT AND STUFF.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T TAKE AUTHORITY AWAY FROM YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO OR TIE THEIR HANDS SAYING, YOU SHALL DO THIS BEFORE YOU CAN DO THIS.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT IS ALL THAT'S
[IV.1. Discuss and consider a recommendation to the City Council regarding proposed amendments to Chapter 3 of the Code of Ordinances and related updates to the fee schedule.]
ITEMS, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING CHAPTER THREE AMENDMENT.WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS IN TWO SEPARATE PIECES.
FIRST PIECE IS GOING TO BE THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
AND YOU HAVE A HANDOUT OF THAT ORDINANCE AND THE SECOND PIECE WILL DISCUSS SEPARATELY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE OTHER THAN THIS CHAPTER THREE.
SO LOOKS LIKE MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
SO WHY ARE WE JUST DOING INTERNATIONAL, NOT INTERNATIONAL BUILDING? WHY ARE WE NOT UPDATING THE BUILDING CODE? YEAH.
AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL AND BUILDING INSPECTOR, YOU USUALLY WANNA STAY ONE CODE CYCLE BEHIND ON YOUR BUILDING CODES BECAUSE THEY CHANGE SO MUCH AND IT, IT GETS CONFUSING FOR YOUR BUILDERS AND INSPECTORS AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S USUALLY A GOOD PRACTICE TO STAY ONE ONE CODE CYCLE BEHIND ON THAT.
NOW, NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT USUALLY WHEN IT COMES OUT, IT TAKES THEM ABOUT A YEAR FOR EACH CODE CYCLE FOR THOSE CODES TO FINALLY GET OUT.
'CAUSE IF YOU'LL GO BACK IN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODES, THERE'S PROBABLY 15 TO 20 DIFFERENT, UM, VERSIONS OF IT ALREADY, JUST FROM LITTLE CHANGES AND STUFF THEY FIND FROM WHEN THEY GO FROM ONE CODE CYCLE TO THE NEXT.
SAME WITH THE INTERNATIONAL WELL, ON THE, THE, YEAH, THE BUSINESS, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
THE REASON I PICKED THE 2024 WAS JUST THE, IS IT'S A CLEANER VERSION.
THEY'VE CLEANED UP A LOT OF STUFF IN IT FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS, MAKES IT EASIER TO ADOPT AND, AND CLEANER.
BUT AS FAR AS THE BUILDING CODE, THE RESIDENTIAL CODE AND ALL, I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND YOU STAY WITH THE 2021, WHICH IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY ADOPTED.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? CHERYL? THIS A MOTION.
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YOU ARE READY? YES, SIR.I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 0 5 7 0 1 TO ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE I SECOND THAT WE'RE DOING THE POOL? NO, NO, AT THAT SECOND.
THE POOL ORDINANCE, WE'RE DOING SEPARATE? YES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
SECOND ITEM IS, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHAPTER THREE AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS ADOPTING THE 2021 POOL INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
FAIRLY LONG PIECE FEES WITH THE COMPARISON MEMOS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, PERMIT EXPIRATION AND PERMIT EXPIRATION FEES.
TAKE A LOOK AT THE APRIL 30 MEMO.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIG PIECE OF IT.
UH, THE COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED ADOPTING THE LANGUAGE FROM INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE ABOUT, UH, EXPIRED PERMITS, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT FROM OUR RECOMMENDATION.
OUR IS CONSIDERABLY MORE STRICT AS INDICATED IN THAT MEMO.
SO I THINK THE FIRST ISSUE IS YOU WANT TO GO WITH WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THE INTERNET CODE CONGRESS SAYS ABOUT EXPIRATION OR OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'D LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, SO IF I COULD SURE.
AT 1 0 5 0.5, WE'RE TALKING EXPIRATION.
AS I'M READING THIS, IT'S REFERRING TO LETTING THE PERMIT EXPIRE IF THE PROJECT HAS NOT COMMENCED OR IF THERE'S 180 DAYS IN BETWEEN INSPECTIONS, BUT IT FEELS LIKE AT SOMEWHERE POINT IN TIME WE'RE SWITCHING TO AN OVERALL TIMEFRAME FOR A COMPLETE BUILD OUT AND THE PROJECT BEING DONE.
AM I MIS, AM I? 'CAUSE IF, IF WE'RE NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THESE, THESE TIMEFRAMES.
IF THIS IS JUST TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED OR IS THIS FOR COMPLETION DATES? I THINK AND, AND CHARLES DIVE IN, IN THE POINT BECAUSE HE AND I HAVE BEEN EXCHANGED IN
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND WHAT WE RECOMMENDED HAS, YOU'VE GOTTA GET FINISHED IN 36 MONTHS PERIOD WITH ME.
THE INTERNATIONAL CODE THAT ICCD DOES NOT HAVE A TOTAL LIMIT, ALLOWS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO EXTEND 180 DAY AND A HUNDRED DAY INCREMENTS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LAST POINT IN THE APRIL 30 MA NUMBER THREE.
ANYWAY, IS THE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
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TO ME, IT DOESN'T READ SMOOTH LIKE THAT.WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST START, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE PROJECT STARTED AND EXTENSIONS BEING GRANTED AND IT WRITTEN OKAY.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY GOES TO, IT TALKS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE.
SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THAT'S OURS.
IS THAT SIX MONTHS FOR THEM TO START THE PROJECT OR SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT? COMPLETE LARGE JUMP IN.
YEAH, THAT'S, OH, I FORGOT TO DO THAT EARLIER.
UM, THAT'S SIX MONTHS AFTER THE CITY HAS APPROVED THE PROJECT.
THAT'S SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE.
SO OUR FIRST PARAGRAPH IS STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT IF THEY HAVE NOT STARTED WITHIN 180 DAYS.
THEY CAN GET GRANTED AN EXTENSION, BUT THEY NEED TO START WITHIN A HUNDRED DAYS.
OR IF THEY DON'T GET INSPECTIONS WITHIN A HUNDRED DAYS, THE PERMIT GETS CANCELED.
THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IS.
THEN WE IMMEDIATELY YOU ABOUT 1 0 5.
THEN WE'RE IMMEDIATELY GOING TO COMPLETION DATES.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT, I DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
I, I I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING INTO COMPLETION DATES BEING SIX MONTHS, 18 MONTHS FOR A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA BELOW, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WE GET TO THE COMPARISON TABLE AT THE END.
AND JUST FOR MY BENEFIT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONE THING ICC IS THE OTHER.
AND THEN WE'RE ASKING WHICH ONE OF THOSE TWO WE THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GO.
SOMETHING TO COUNCIL AGENDA TOMORROW.
SO WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN THREE YEARS BASICALLY, RIGHT? 36 MONTHS.
CURRENT ORDINANCE AND WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, IT'S, YOU GET A MAX OF 36 MONTHS NOW THAT THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO PAST 36 MONTHS, THEY GOTTA COME TO US FOR A VARIANCE OR AN APPEAL.
HAD A HOUSE SITTING OUT THERE FOR THREE YEARS.
MR. ROBBINS, IF I MAY, UM, SO WHAT I THINK IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO IS, THIS IS KIND OF A POLICY QUESTION.
UM, THE ICC DOESN'T PUT A RESTRICTION ON HOW LONG PERMITS CAN GO.
IT JUST PROVIDES FOR THE EXTENSION PROCESS.
WHEREAS THE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN TODAY, POLICY WISE SPEAKING, WE HAVE A CAP DATE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE DONE BY AND THEN IT TRIGGERS A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS FOR COMPLIANCE.
AND SO IT'S REALLY AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE, WHAT POLICY DO WE WANNA LOOK AT? DO WE WANT TO HAVE PERMITS THAT CAN GO FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY NEED TO GO? OR DO WE WANNA CAP THAT AS AN INCENTIVE TO DO THE WORK IN AN EXPEDIENT FASHION? BUT IT SAYS A HOUSE HERE, 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS IS WHAT, 18 MONTHS? RIGHT? THAT'S TO COMPLETE IT.
AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO THIS CHAPTER.
UM, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE ELIMINATE THIS EXTENSION PROCESS AND JUST REFER TO THE ICC OR NOT.
AND THE ICC SAYS, THERE'S NO LIMITS.
AND THEN AS BUILDING OFFICIALS, WE CAN, CAN INTERVENE AT THAT POINT.
SO THEN YOU GET AN EXTENSION IN WORDS AND ESSENTIAL, OR ESSENTIALLY IN PERPETUITY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
AND SO IT OPENS UP SOME FLEXIBILITY ON SOME LARGER SCALE PROJECTS.
DO WE WANT THESE TO HAVE A TIMELINE OR DO WE NOT WANT THESE TO HAVE A TIMELINE? 24 THAT'S WORST.
24 MONTHS IS THE MAX IT SHOULD TAKE TO BUILD JUST ABOUT ANY PROJECT.
IF IT'S A LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECT, MAYBE LONGER, BUT A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, IF THEY CAN'T FINISH IT IN 24 MONTHS, YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW BUILDER
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING HOUSES.
AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME 15,000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND WE DID IT IN 18 MONTHS.
SO YOU BUILT IT IN 18 MONTHS, BUILT IT IN 18 MONTHS.
SO IT'S A MATTER IF YOU GOT A GOOD BUILDER AND THEY KNOW HOW TO LINE THEIR SUBS UP, YOU'LL GET THINGS DONE.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WITH, WITH THE ECONOMY AND CHAIN OF SU SUPPLY CHAINS, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT NOW.
AND IT MAY TAKE 'EM LONGER TO GET STUFF, BUT THE EXCUSES THAT I KEEP HEARING SITTING UP THERE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IS, WELL, WE CAN'T GET WORKERS TO WORK ON 50 FOOT SCAFFOLDING.
WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD ALL THAT PLANNED OUT BEFORE YOU STARTED THAT PROJECT.
AND IF IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THIS CERTAIN MARBLE FLOOR, YOU CAN'T FINISH THE JOB.
BUT WHEN IT'S, YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN'T GET WORKERS BECAUSE OF THE SCAFFOLDING OR HAPPEN TO WORK OFF OF HEIGHTS AND STUFF, THAT'S NOT, TO
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ME, THAT'S NOT A VIABLE REASON TO EXTEND A PERMIT.ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WHAT WE RECOMMENDED 24 MONTHS, 36 MONTHS MAX, IS THE WAY WE SHOULD GO AND NOT YEAH, I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING YOU LET YOUR BUILDING OFFICIAL DO IT AT THE 180 DAY MARK IF THEY DON'T START THE PROJECT AT 180 DAYS.
AND THAT MEANS SUBSTANTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN MY, BY MY DEFINITION, THAT MEANS MORE THAN JUST GOING OUT HERE PUTTING UP SILT FENCE AND MOVING DIRT AROUND ON THE GROUND.
THEY NEED TO BE DOING SOME TYPE OF WORK AND CALLING FOR INSPECTIONS IN THAT 180 DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR PERMIT EXPIRES.
BUT I AGREE, THIS IS SOME TECHNICAL STUFF THAT BEAR, BEAR WITH ME.
WE DON'T HAVE AFIN PAID OUR IN IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
YOU HAVE TO GET STARTED I THINK IN 90 DAYS.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST WANT OFFICIAL UNDER, UNDER WHAT'S RECOMMENDED CAN EXTEND IT MM-HMM
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT TO WHERE THERE'S A POLICY TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR ALL THESE EXTENSIONS THAT IT CAN BE DONE AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND NOT HAVE TO KEEP GOING THROUGH A BIG PROCESS.
BUT ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEN IT DOES NEED TO COME BACK TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, WHICH WOULD BE THIS BOARD.
I JUST, UH, WAS JUST GONNA GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 12, 12 MONTHS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE DO SIX MONTHS EXTENSIONS UP UNTIL 36 MONTHS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY HAVE TO FILE FOR A WHOLE NEW PERMIT.
BASICALLY IT'S A RESTARTING THE PROJECT FROM SCRATCH KIND OF SITUATION.
SO WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, UM, AFTER THEIR CLOCK IS OUT, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME TRADITIONAL BUILDING REVIEW.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT TRIGGERS A WHOLE NEW PERMIT THE WAY THAT OUR CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I I KNOW IT'S, YOU WERE SAYING INTER PERPETUATE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
WE, WE START THIS PROCESS BASICALLY TO START THIS CLOCK OFF AGAIN AT 36 MONTHS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOR I WAS UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.
LET ME, IT'S LONG TIME, LET ME CHECK.
I THINK THAT THE CONSENSUS IS TO STAY WITH WHAT THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR TOMORROW.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? DO WE HAVE THAT ONE ONE THERE? AND SHE'S LOOKING WELL, NO, YOU JUST RECOMMEND YOU STAY WITH THE SIMPLY, SIMPLY STATING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE STAY, STAY WITH WHAT'S DUE WITH THE BUILDING STANDARDS RECOMMENDATION.
MOTION IS SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND OF WHAT I MISSED THAT HONOR.
THE MOTION IS TO STAY WITH THE BILLING STANDARDS COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION FOR 36 MONTHS.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
MY PERSONAL PER WELL FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LEMME TRY TO GET ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
[IV.2. Discuss and consider any action including formation of a subcommittee related to the Unified Development Code project.]
NEXT NEXT ITEM IS TO DISCUSS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOU.REIFY DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT JORDAN BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION.
MS. CHAVARRIA STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER HERE.
UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE HAS KICKED OFF.
UM, THE DISCUSSION BOARD IS OPEN AND LIVE INCLUDED.
UM, IN THE HANDOUTS FROM TODAY, THERE IS A PROGRESS REPORT AND A MEETING SUMMARY FROM OUR FIRST MEETING.
UM, THE FIRST SECTIONS, UH, WERE PRETTY MUCH JUST HOW THE GOVERNMENT RUNS YOUR BOARDS, YOUR ADOPTION OF, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE FUN STUFF, FINANCE, HR.
UM, THE NEXT TWO CHUNKS OF INFORMATION ARE GOING TO BE MORE INVOLVED WITH BOARDS, UM, HAVING MORE, UM, PURVIEW OVER ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT COME AFTER THE PROCESS
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IS COMPLETE.UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THE NEXT CHUNK OUT BEFORE MAY 21ST.
UM, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUSH FOR IT.
HOWEVER, THERE WILL, THE LATEST IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IS THE JUNE 5TH MEETING.
AND ALL THIS IS, UM, INCLUDED IN THAT HANDOUT.
UM, THE DISCUSSION BOARD WILL CONTINUE TO, TO PUT OUT INFORMATION.
UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK YET ON THE FIRST TWO SECTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING.
UM, BUT WE'RE MOVING AND I THINK THE INTENT IS TO PUSH TO HAVE IT REORGANIZED BY AUGUST SO THAT WE CAN START CHANGES NEXT YEAR.
AND LOOKING AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
UM, SO FAR I'D SAY IT'S SMOOTH, BUT IT'S PRETTY EARLY.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, IN THIS EXERCISE, WHAT'S THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION
COMMISSION WON'T LOOK AT THE REORGANIZATION PART.
UH, I WOULD VENTURE A GUESS, NOT THE, THE REORGANIZATION PART.
'CAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST TAKING A, PUTTING IT IN A NEW SPOT.
IT'S NOT CHANGING TEXT AT ALL.
UM, EVEN IF THERE IS CONFLICTS OR THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, IT'S UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE POTENTIAL CHANGES.
UM, I THINK WHERE THE WORK COMES IN IS AFTER EVERYTHING'S PUT IN ORDER AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, WHAT COMES NEXT.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ORDINANCES, UM, KIND OF FLOATING IN THE ETHER.
UM, AND HOW DO WE, UM, GET THOSE CHANGES AS FAST TRACKED AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AFTER IT'S BEEN REORGANIZED AND I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, THE TRANSITION OF THINGS HAPPENS.
UM, BUT COUNSEL HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT CHANGES RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST GETTING IT IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
AND THEN, UH, WITH THE ATTEMPT TO ADOPT IN, UH, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, UM, THE WORK THEN BEGINS AFTER THE FACT.
SO WHAT SHE SAID WAS, THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S GONNA DECIDE WHAT ARE CHANGES ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW OR OUR INTERNAL ORDINANCES, OR, UM, IF THERE IS PROVISIONS THAT ARE OUT OF, OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
IT'S IF THERE'S CONFLICTS, LET'S GET THOSE FIGURED OUT.
IF IT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE, LET'S GET THAT FIGURED OUT.
UM, BUT ANY HIGH LEVEL POLICY CHANGES, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS.
SO HOW ARE CHANGES GOING TO BE HANDLED? COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ORDINANCES OR ANYTHING WILL GO THROUGH THEM.
I MEAN, THAT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SET THE POLICY, NOT STAFF, NOT ANY OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND ALL.
NOW, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WON'T BE SENDING THEM TO Y'ALL FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY WILL.
'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF CHANGES.
BUT, UH, THE MAIN THING OF THE UDC COMMITTEE IS TO GET EVERYTHING IN A FORMAT THAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE TO WHERE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, HERE IT IS, IT'S ALL IN ONE AREA.
IT'S NOT CHAPTER THREE, CHAPTER SIX MM-HMM
CHAPTER, WHATEVER THE OTHER CHAPTERS ARE ON THE CODIFICATION.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE LATELY, THE CODIFICATION, OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY.
AND EVERYTHING IS AUTOMATICALLY CODIFIED.
NOW ONCE ORDINANCES ARE DONE AND THE CODE IFICATION, THE FULL CODIFICATION IS UPDATED EVERY QUARTER INSTEAD OF ONCE A YEAR.
NOW, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT CODIFICATION.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE SENDING STUFF TO MOON CODE TO QUALIFY MM-HMM
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONSISTENCY BETWEEN ALL OF THE CHANGES ON THE CODIFICATION.
SO, AND THEN NO CODIFICATION WAS DONE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS.
SO NOW WE'RE GETTING IT ALL FIXED, BUT YES, YES.
UNICODE DOES OUR CODIFICATIONS FOR US NOW.
WELL, FOR INSTANCE, I WE'RE OFF THAT A LITTLE BIT OFFS, BUT WE HEARD THAT CHAIR OF THE P AND C INDICATE THAT OUR PARKING REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NEED TO BE AMENDED.
FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY BRING THAT
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UP, THAT'S, WELL, OKAY, NOW LET ME, LET ME GO BACK TO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.I'M GONNA GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, ACTION ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS CHAPTER THREE AMOUNTS AND POSSIBLY WHAT WE MAY BE LOOKING AT IN JUNE, JORDAN AND I BEGUN A CONVERSATION ABOUT AMENDMENTS TO THE UNSAFE BUILDING SECTION OF CHAPTER THREE.
WHICH THE COMMISSION AUTHORIZED LAST YEAR.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING TO THE COMMISSION IN JUNE OR NOT.
AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR A JUNE MEETING EXCEPT AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS UGC.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THE BOARD COULD PROPOSE CHANGES AT THE JUNE MEETING? I'M ASKING TO, YOU AND I ARE GOING TO, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT YOU'VE GOT MY TRACK MM-HMM
AND IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT, LOOK AT THAT.
QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU'RE AT ITSELF SOUTH FOR THE WINTER.
DO YOU THINK YOU, WE COULD HAVE ANYTHING PUT TOGETHER FOR THE COMMISSION PACKET MM-HMM
SO WE'RE PROBABLY MEETING IN TUNE TO DO ONE AND SAY, JIM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE INTERNATIONAL CODES, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS, HAS A LOT OF STUFF IN ABOUT UNSAFE BUILDINGS, EXISTING BUILDING CODES.
WE HAD, IT'S THE INTERNATIONAL INTER EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, Y'ALL LOOK AT ALL THE CODES BECAUSE THE JORDAN BROUGHT IT UP TO ME THAT THE PULL CODE NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BECAUSE IT'S REFERENCED IN A LOT OF THINGS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PULL CODES THERE.
ANOTHER CODE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ADOPTED OR NOT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE LIST, IS THE INLAND WILDFIRE.
IT PUTS SOME RESTRICTIONS ON WILDFIRE BECAUSE WE ARE IN A FIREWISE COMMUNITY AND IN A HIGH DANGER AREA FOR WILDFIRES.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BE REVIEWED ALSO AS ADOPTION BECAUSE IT PUTS SOME WIND LOAD RESTRICTIONS.
IT ALSO, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE WILDLIFE WILDFIRE, I CAN'T EVEN GET IT THE NAME OF IT STRAIGHT, BUT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT PUTS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IF YOU GO BACK, UH, I'LL, WELL, WE'LL USE THE MOST RECENT FIRES IN CALIFORNIA.
IF YOU'LL GO THROUGH THERE AND YOU'LL SEE WHOLE, WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLETELY BURNED.
BUT THEN THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT'S STILL STANDING.
THAT ONE HOUSE WAS BUILT TO NEWER STANDARDS WITH THE INLAND WILDFIRE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STUFF.
AND IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT SITS, THE WIND STANDARDS, UM, HAS SO MUCH TO DO WITH THE VEGETATION THAT'S AROUND THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S MAINLY THE MATERIALS THAT'S USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO, SO THE WAY I'M STANDING HERE, WE ADOPT A CODE AND WE SERVE IN THE ACCORDANCE THAT WE ADOPTED.
WE'RE BOUND BY THAT CODE UNLESS IT GOES STRICTER.
BUT WE CAN'T, YOU CANNOT GO LESS.
YOU, YOU CAN GO STRICTER, BUT YOU CANNOT GO LESS THAN THE CODE THAT YOU ADOPT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED TONIGHT TO ENTER THE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE HAS A BIG SECTION IN IT ABOUT UNSAFE.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON IN ADOPTING THE CODES INTO, IN THEIR ENTIRETY IS IT USED TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAPTERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, NOW THEY PUT 'EM IN THE APPENDIX.
SO YOU JUST DON'T ADOPT THOSE APPENDIX.
'CAUSE THERE, THERE'S, THEY'VE GOT LIKE BOARD OF APPEALS OR BOARD BUILDING BOARDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU REFER EVERYTHING BACK TO YOUR BSC.
SO YARA BASICALLY THE BOARD OF APPEALS FOR ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
ANY FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION.
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CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? UM, SO I HAVE ON THE JUNE MEETING, THE ANNUAL REPORT, THE UNSAFE BUILDING STANDARDS, UH, ORDINANCE.I ALSO HAVE WILDFIRE CODE EXISTING BUILDING CODE AND FULL CODE.
I'LL BRING YOU A LIST OF THE CODES THAT I, THAT I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
MOST OF 'EM YOU'VE ALREADY ADOPTED.
THERE'S JUST ONE OR TWO MORE THAT JUST NEEDED TO BE ADDED THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CODE FAMILY THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA.
UM, WE ARE, I AM OUT OF OFFICE THE TYPICAL TIME THAT WE POST FOR THIS BOARD FOR JUNE.
UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PACKET WILL BE AVAILABLE A LOT SOONER THIS MONTH.
UM, AND THEN ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPEN IN MY ABSENCE, I JUST ASK FOR PATIENCE WHILE WE, WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE THOSE, UM, AND PACKETS AND STUFF.
'CAUSE THE DAY I GET BACK IS JUST ABOUT THE DAY OF OUR MEETING.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IT OUT NO LATER THAN THE 20TH FOR SURE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUSH THEM OUT NEXT WEEK.
WHEN ARE WE MEETING, WHAT DAY IS IT? YOU AND I? HOLD ON FOR UNSAFE BUILDINGS.
YOU AND I HAVE A, I THINK IT'S THE 18TH.
UH, AND THERE'S BOARD TRAINING ON MAY 28TH.
TODAY THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, ALL BOARD TRAINING WITH COUNSEL AND OUR ATTORNEYS AND WE CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON, ON THE, THE CHAIN AND EVERYTHING.
WELL ANYWAY, WE'LL SORT, I THANK YOU IN OUR MEETING AFTER, BUT WHATEVER, SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, UH, CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, WE'RE OUTTA HERE.