[* A portion of this meeting is without audio *]
          [V.1. Discussion of recent incident of patron being hit by a golf ball at Pickleball Courts adjacent to Golf Course Driving Range.]
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          FIRST, YOU HAD MENTIONED PUTTING UP A NET AT GREEN SHORE PARK AT THE END OF THE OF THE DRIVING RANGE, AND THEN MOVE THE TEE BOXES DOWN SO THAT THE TRAJECTORY ISN'T QUITE AS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKELY TO, TO PUT A BALL IN. RIGHT. SO. OH, THERE WE ARE. HELLO. VERY, VERY SHARP, HARSH. WHO WOULD PAY FOR THAT? WELL, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE'S DAVID. I MEAN, I, I KIND OF THINK THAT'S A GOLF COURSE THING TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEIR GOLF BALLS AND TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY LAWSUITS. YEAH, I AGREE, I AGREE. THIS IS A GOLF COURSE ISSUE. THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY A PARKS AND REC. WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT IN THE LINE OF FIRE. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, I STILL KIND OF COME BACK LATELY TO THE OPINION THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH MORE THAT YOU CAN DO AND 
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BE COST EFFECTIVE THAN TO SEPARATE THE TWO ENTITIES AND THE TWO AMENITIES, WHICH MEANS PICKLEBALL COURTS HAVE TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO IT MAY BE INCONVENIENT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A RE RESURFACING OF THE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS UP, UP AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX. BUT FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM A COST STANDPOINT, TRYING TO KEEP IT THERE WOULD BE JUST IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE UNGODLY EXPENSIVE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE GOLF COURSE HAS THOSE KIND OF FUNDS. BUT IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. SO THIS CAN'T GO ON. IT JUST CAN'T. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RESTROOMS LIKE DON MENTIONED. ARE THERE I MEAN, WHAT IS THERE OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE USING THOSE COURTS? DO THEY HAVE A BILL? SORRY, THEY HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S A CONCESSION STAND. I GUESS THE LITTLE LEAGUE ASSOCIATION OWNS THAT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. SO YOU'D HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION TO GET THE LITTLE KEYPAD CODE AND AND USE THOSE RESTROOMS. THEY'RE NOT BAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE BUNKER. THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT LIKE THE BUNKER. THEY ARE FLUSHES. I WAS GOING TO SAY ALL THE ALTERNATIVES IS THE INFAMOUS PORTA POTTY. NO. I ASK YOU A QUESTION. SO I GUESS, JOHN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OR SOMEONE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE MOVING THE TEE BOXES DOWN A LEVEL, AND THAT SEEMED TO MITIGATE BALLS COMING IN THE COURTS. BUT THEN I GUESS, ANDREW, WERE YOU SEEING A TON MORE BALLS ROLLING INTO CRENSHAW? IT MAKES ME WONDER IF MAYBE THE MORE COST EFFECTIVE FENCING TO PUT UP WOULDN'T BE A HUGE HIGH FENCE AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVING RANGE. YOU KNOW, ON THAT BORDER WITH THE POA PROPERTY. BUT IT COULD BE A LOWER FENCE. IT WOULD CATCH AT LEAST THE BALLS ROLLING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF OUR PARK IF THEY I'M TALKING ABOUT MOVING THEM DOWN A LEVEL JUST TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT OF BALLS ROLLING INTO GREEN OR THE BOUNCING ONES WOULD STILL MAKE IT IN. BUT I JUST WONDER IF MAYBE THAT'S A COMPROMISE IF THAT WORKED WELL BEFORE WHEN THEY LOWERED THE TEE BOXES. SO IT WORKED WELL FOR US. I STILL THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT A COMPANY THAT WOULD COME OUT AND, AND DO AN ASSESSMENT FOR US TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO PROTECT THE COURTS FROM ERRANT BALLS. AND. DAVID, YOU WOULD HAVE YOU WOULD HAVE A CONTACT FOR THAT. DIDN'T YOU SPEARHEAD THE THE NEW NET OR WAS THAT DONE BEFORE YOU GOT HERE? IT PREDATES ME, BUT I THINK CHARLES HANDLED THAT PERSONALLY. SO GETTING THE INFORMATION IS NOT AN ISSUE. OKAY. CAROLINE? YEAH. WHAT THE WAS THAT THOSE. YES, IT WAS PARKS AND REC. YEAH. WE PUT IT WELL PARKS AND REC PUT THEM UP. BUT I THINK I THINK DAVID WAS HERE WASN'T IT THE FIRST ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU DID NOT YOU YOU IT HAD ALREADY BEEN IN THE WORKS AND YOU INSTALLED. NO, ACTUALLY THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS DONE BEFORE ME, BUT ONLY BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO THAT. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HAVING HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHARLES THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO TOOK THE POINT ON THAT BECAUSE MY PREDECESSOR, MY IMMEDIATE PREDECESSOR, LEFT IN MARCH AND I GOT HERE IN AUGUST. AND I BELIEVE IT OCCURRED BETWEEN THAT THOSE TIME FRAMES THERE. YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AS TO GET THE CONTACT FOR WHOEVER DID THAT WORK. I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, QUASI ENGINEERS, THIS KIND OF STUFF HAS THE STUDIES AND IT'S A POTENTIALLY A NEW, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SALE FOR THEM. IF THERE'S A SECOND NET ALL THE WAY AT THE AT THE BACK END OF THE DRIVING RANGE. SO HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD DO IT AT NO CHARGE. YEAH. WE'LL SEE. YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY MAY LOOK AT IT AND TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20, 25 YEARS AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED. I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BOUGHT A NET FOR, FOR SAFETY. AND I THINK JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IS THAT IT IS ALREADY A VERY SHORT DRIVING RANGE. YOU KNOW, THE GOLF 
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COURSE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 60 YEARS OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. AND TECHNOLOGY, GOLF CLUB AND BALL TECHNOLOGY HAS DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED. YEAH, YEAH. I WANT TO SAY THAT THE DISTANCE AT MOST FROM THE TEE BOX IS 175 YARDS, WHICH IS EVEN FOR A NOVICE LIKE ME, I CAN ACTUALLY GET BEYOND THAT. SO ANYBODY WHO PLAYS REGULARLY AND CONSISTENTLY PROBABLY CAN EXCEED THAT. AND SO THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO THE GOLF COURSE AND ITS USERS, BECAUSE YEAH, EVEN JUST SHORTENING THAT BY ANOTHER 15 YARDS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND SO I THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY AT LEAST INITIATE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE TEE BOXES ARE, WHERE THE TEE BOXES MIGHT BE IN SUCH A WAY TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM OF BALLS COMING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE COURTS. IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT, WELL, IF WE HAVE TO GO ANY HIGHER WITH THE NETTING, THEN WE LITERALLY START FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE TOP OF THE PYLONS CURRENTLY. SO THAT WILL INHERENTLY INCREASE THE COST IF WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS NECESSARILY THE CASE, BUT IT WOULD LITERALLY BE A DO OVER. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN, JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEY THINK MIGHT BE THE BEST APPROACH. SO I'LL TALK TO CHARLES AND ASK AT LEAST WHY WE LANDED WHERE WE DID ON THE $14,000 PROJECT WITH THE NETTING AT THE HEIGHT THAT IT CURRENTLY IS, ETC. AND SEE, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A THEY MAY HAVE BASED THAT UPON SOME ASSESSMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. DO YOU THINK THE GOLFERS. ANOTHER QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THE GOLFERS WOULD BE AMENABLE TO HAVING RESTRICTED HOURS FOR. ON THE DRIVING RANGE TO HELP PICKLEBALLERS FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURE? OKAY, MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAYS ARE THIS GROUP, YOU KNOW, TUESDAY. THURSDAY. SATURDAY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. IT'S THAT WOULD REQUIRE CONVERSATION. YEAH, YEAH. SO I THINK YOU CAN BUY BALLS OUTSIDE OF HOURS CAN'T YOU. SO SO I WAS CHATTING WITH NICOLE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SHE, SHE SAYS SHE THINKS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUY A TOKEN COIN, A TOKENS FOR USE. 
          SO UNLESS YOU'RE POCKETING THOSE, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY USE THOSE AROUND THE CLOCK BECAUSE APPARENTLY MEMBERS ACTUALLY GET FREE TOKENS. SO THOSE FOLKS MAY HAVE A POCKET. 
          BUT SO YEAH, OTHERWISE, YEAH, THERE'S NO REAL RESTRICTED USE OF, OF THE DRIVING RANGE. SO LONG AS YOU CAN ACCESS TOKENS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MY GOLF'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER. IT'S THE EQUIPMENT. RIGHT. I CAN, CAN I GO BACK TO THE LIMITED HOURS IDEA. I USED TO BE A GOLFER AND THEN I GOT NEUROPATHY AND I THERE'S NO WAY I COULD GOLF THESE DAYS. 
          HOWEVER, I DID PLAY A LOT OF GOLF, PARTICULARLY UP IN OHIO BEFORE WE MOVED HERE. AND THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT WARM UP ROUTINE FOR A REGULAR GOOD GOLFER. MOST OF THEM WHACK THE DRIVER AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO HIT IT AS FAR AS THEY CAN. BUT THE SMART GOLFERS ACTUALLY START WITH THE SHORT CLUBS, WORK UP TO A DRIVER AND THEN BACK ON DOWN. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO LIMIT TO TELL THEM YOU CAN'T DO THAT BEFORE YOUR ROUND. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THAT FLYING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WITH WITH THE GOLFERS. OKAY. RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY EITHER THE PEOPLE USING THE COURTS OR THE GOLFERS WANT ANY MORE RESTRICTIONS THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE. AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NONE OF US ARE PROPOSING THAT. WE'RE NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T USE A DRIVING RANGE BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY, THE COURTS ARE BEING USED A LOT, ALL THE TIME. AND THE MOST THE MOST POPULAR TIMES ARE IN THE MORNING BEFORE IT GETS TOO HOT. AND THEN IN THE EVENING WHEN THE SUN'S GOING DOWN. AND SO. AND LET'S NOT FORGET, THE PICKLEBALLERS ALSO SHARE THE COURTS WITH TENNIS PLAYERS. AND SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE OVER TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE MIGHT HAVE FEWER COURTS AND LESS TIME TO PLAY THAN WE DO NOW. AND WITH THE WAY THE INDUSTRY IS MOVING, PICKLEBALL HAS BEEN THE LARGEST GROWING OR THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA. AND IF YOU LOOK AT CITIES LIKE MARBLE FALLS, THEY'RE ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE ALL IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ASKING FOR MORE 
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PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO I'D HATE TO SEE US GO, YOU KNOW, DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF COURTS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE HERE IN LARGO. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT FIREFLY, AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT. YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT THAN ANY ANY OF THE REST OF US. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET LIKE SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS FROM THEM OR SOME PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD NUMBER. I MEAN, ADAM TOUTED THAT FROM DAY ONE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER. OOPS, SORRY, A PICKLEBALL COURTS. BUT YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THAT PUBLIC PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT THEY'LL BE DOING AS PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE COME ONLINE. THEY'RE WORKING ON PHASE ONE NOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY COME ONLINE UNTIL THE PHASE 2 OR 3. YEAH. SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE ANYTIME SOON. SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. BUT YEAH, DAWN, I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP RESURFACING RESTRIPING AS SOME FUTURE PROJECT OF THE UPPER COURTS. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD EXPAND THE NUMBER PICKLEBALL COURTS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT LOCATION DOWN BY THE GOLF COURSE IN THE LAKE IS MORE DESIRABLE. IT'S REALLY PRETTY DOWN THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT FOR FUTURE INVESTMENT POTENTIALLY IS TO REDO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDO THOSE COURTS ANYWAYS AND NEED TO BE RESURFACED AND REPAINT THEM, OR REPAINT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THEM FOR PICKLEBALL, AND THEN THAT COULD EXPAND THE CAPACITY THAT WAY. I KNOW THE POA, WE GET ASKED ALL THE TIME TO WRITE. SO YEAH, I MEAN, I, YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN RESURFACE PART OF THE COURTS. YOU CERTAINLY COULDN'T DO THAT OVER AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO TENNIS COURTS THERE, AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MUCH SPACE THEY HAVE BETWEEN THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET AS MANY PICKLEBALL COURTS ON THEM AS WE DO NOW. A COUPLE OF MICROPHONES ARE JUST WAY, WAY OVER TORCHED AND ON WHATEVER. I THINK THE SPACE THERE IS ALMOST IDENTICAL. 
          IT'S LITERALLY TWO TENNIS COURTS. AND THE TYPICAL OVERLAY IS YOU CAN DO AS MANY AS FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS OVER A TENNIS COURT. SO YEAH, YOU COULD END UP GETTING AS MANY AS EIGHT COURTS OVER THERE. THE ONE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IS THE COURTS AT THE GOLF COURSE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE TWO EXCLUSIVE PICKLEBALL COURTS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO YEAH, IF YOU DO THAT THEN YOU'D BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION. AND OBVIOUSLY A PROJECT COST WOULD INCREASE FROM THERE. RIGHT. AND THERE'S SOME MORNINGS WHEN WE ARE SHARING THE COURTS WITH THE TENNIS PLAYERS. SO THAT MIGHT, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WOULD BE TO SHARE THE COURTS WITH THEM AS WELL. ANDREW. SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. WHAT ARE THE RULES ABOUT USING YOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS? YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT A MEMBER THERE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO COME IN WITH A MEMBER WITH LEAGUES. CONSIDER. AND WOULD THE LV POA CONSIDER HOSTING SOME OF THE LEAGUES, SOME OF THE GAMES. WE ALREADY HAVE GROUPS THAT. PLAY THE SAME TIME THAT THE COURTS ARE IN PLAY. I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE LV POA, BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN THE LADIES PLAY TUESDAY THURSDAY MORNINGS, THERE'S ALSO LADIES PLAYING AT LV POA. YEAH, I MEAN, TUESDAY, THURSDAY IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE STANDARD DAY EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY. AND OBVIOUSLY THE, YOU KNOW, MORNINGS IS BEST AND THEY GO FROM PLAYING PICKLEBALL STRAIGHT INTO THEIR BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE SAME LADIES THAT DO THE DANCE, THE LINE DANCING. YEAH. SO YEAH, I MEAN, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE IN PLAY EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. WE'RE DOWN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A SCHEDULED DAY. BUT THEN THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT WE HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE TENNIS PEOPLE, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE THE COURTS ARE SEPARATED. NOW. WE COULDN'T DO THAT AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF GETTING OFF TOPIC HERE, BUT WELL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE. YEAH. SO THE. 
          USE THEM, RIGHT. SO THE, THE POA BASICALLY DOESN'T SEE ANY TENNIS PLAYERS ANYMORE. SO WE'VE GOT DESIGNATED PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND OUR TENNIS COURTS ARE NOW STRIPED FOR PICKLEBALL. 
          THAT IS THE NATIONAL TREND. AND WE DIDN'T WE DON'T SEE ANY TENNIS PLAYERS WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF GUYS THAT COME DOWN AND THEY JUST STOPPED COMING, THEY ACTUALLY NOW START PLAYING IN BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN LEAGUES AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TENNIS PLAYERS HERE, SO THEY PLAY OUT AT SUN CITY. THEY DRIVE OUT THERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT 
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THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOU GO WHERE YOUR FRIENDS ARE. SO, SO I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I THINK MY SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE. STRIPE UP, BUT YOU KNOW, GET THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PUT THAT IN FOR NEXT YEAR. DEFINITELY STRIPING AND REDOING THAT CONVERT SOME OF THE COURTS. WELL, NOT CONVERT SOME OF THEM, STRIPE THEM UP THERE. MAYBE LOOK AT CONVERTING ONE, ONE COURT TO A PICKLEBALL COURT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TENNIS PLAYERS YOU HAVE, BUT WE'RE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT UPGRADING THE LIGHTING AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE NOT VERY GOOD. RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE VERY THEY'RE PRETTY DIM. I MEAN, FIRST FIRST ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO SOLVE IS THE SAFETY, WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING NOW, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT COULD TURN SERIOUS IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING HIT IN THE HEAD. YEAH. RIGHT. AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO US AND COUNCIL AND WE CAN'T DENY IT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF YOU HAVE A CONTACT, IF DAVID HAS A CONTACT WITH SOME NETTING COMPANY THAT COULD COME OUT AND DO A TRAJECTORY STUDY AND WE COULD START THERE, JUST EVEN AN INFORMAL LOOK, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE AT IT AND SAY, HEY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED. AND I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHORTENING THE COURSE IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GET BALLS WHERE WE DON'T WANT BALLS AT THE OTHER END, THEN STICKING A BIG NET UP LIKE THEY USED TO BE. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU USED TO PLAY BACK THEN. MARK, DID YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WE USED TO HAVE THE BIG NET RIGHT AT THE FAR END OF THE TENNIS, THE PICKLE AT THE DRIVING RANGE. YEAH. AT THE END OF THE DRIVING RANGE. SO WE MOVED HERE IN 16 AND I THINK, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A NET AT THE FAR END OF THE. YEAH. THAT DISAPPEARED IN ONE OF THE FLOODS. WHAT A SHOCK. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, MY MIND WAS GOING IF YOU KNOW THERE'S A NET THERE, DO YOU GET YOUR DRIVER OUT AND JUST WHACK IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE NET'S GOING TO CATCH THE BALL, WHICH THEN BRINGS ANOTHER SET OF ISSUES. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO SORT SOMETHING OUT, DAVID. SO I WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CHARLES, FIND OUT VENDOR DETAILS, AND THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO DETERMINE HOW IT IS. WE LANDED ON THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE. WAS THERE A TRAJECTORY STUDY? YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE DETERMINED THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF THE NETTING AND WHY THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD MITIGATE THAT WILL BE A JUMPING OFF PLACE, AND WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE EVERYTHING BEYOND THAT THEN WOULD MOVE INTO THE REALM OF EITHER. YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE DRIVING RANGE OR INSTALLING DIFFERENT NETTING OR HIGHER NETTING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, OR A COMPLETE RELOCATION. SO ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE PROJECT. YEAH. I MEAN, I BRING IT UP TO DAVID, YOU KNOW. ABOUT JUST DROPPING IT DOWN A LEVEL JUST TEMPORARILY WHILE WE TRY AND SORT SOMETHING OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW AS FAR. 
          YEAH. NO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH GREG. HE WOULD BE HAPPY. 
          YEAH. I REALIZED THAT WAS A TEMPORARY FIX RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. BUT I THINK THE GOLFERS WERE PROBABLY WILLING BECAUSE THERE WAS IN THEIR MINDS A SOLUTION IN PLAY, AND THEY JUST HAD TO WAIT IT FOR THE NETTING TO GET IN PLACE. SO BUT NO, I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH GREG AS WELL AND SEE WHAT THAT RESPONSE LOOKS LIKE. EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? HAPPY WITH THAT? YEAH, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT WHEN THEY DID MOVE, THE GOLFERS DOWN THE LAST TIME AND THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO USE THEIR DRIVERS, THEY WERE USING THEIR DRIVERS. SO YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE THOSE BALLS IN GREEN SHORE PARK. WELL, THE CITY OF ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, ANOTHER. I WOULDN'T SAY AN ISSUE. ANOTHER, ANOTHER STAKE IN THE GAME OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST DUMPED ALL THEIR PIPING DOWN THERE. SO THEY DON'T WANT TO THEY DON'T WANT ALL THEIR WORKMEN GETTING HIT BY BALLS. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE 
          [V.2. Discussion of the use of the City of Lago Vista electronic message board.]
GOOD. SORRY. ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          DISCUSSION NUMBER TWO DISCUSSION OF THE USE OF THE CITY. THE USE OF USE OF THE CITY OF LARGO'S ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD. YEAH. AND I WON'T I WON'T BELABOR THIS. I 
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THINK. WHERE DO WE GO? THERE WE ARE. RIGHT. SHOW OF HANDS OF WHO HAS ACTUALLY USED THE MESSAGE BOARD, VIEWED IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT ONE. THE ONE. NO, NO, THE MESSAGE BOARD. THE ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THEY CALL IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY CALL IT BUT. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. TOTALLY MISSED IT. OH SORRY. OH NO NO NO I'M SORRY BECAUSE BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU GOOGLE CITY OF LAGO VISTA MESSAGE BOARD, IT'LL TAKE YOU THERE. IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          WE USED IT A LOT. AND WHAT PROMPTED THIS? YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO ASK THAT WE TRY TO STEP UP AND ACTUALLY USE THAT. LAST WEEK WE HAD A FLURRY OF EMAILS AND TEXTS, AND WE HAD ALL THESE PIPELINES GOING BACK AND FORTH. SOME PEOPLE WERE ON IT, SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T ON IT. AND IT WAS VERY CONFUSING. AND IT WAS VERY I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HARD TO KEEP UP WITH. AND IT WASN'T THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT BECAUSE NOBODY IN THE CITY OR RESIDENT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE DO, EITHER VIA TEXT OR VIA EMAIL. SO I THINK FOR TWO REASONS, WE REALLY SHOULD MAKE THAT A POLICY OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, EMBRACE IT SO THAT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT AN ONGOING CONCERN OR TOPIC, WE SHOULD DO IT VIA THE MESSAGE BOARD. IT WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. IT WORKS WELL FOR COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS YOU HAVE TO AND STAN CAN HELP YOU WITH THIS. 
          YOU HAVE TO LOG IN WITH YOUR LAGO VISTA, TEXAS GOV. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS. EMAIL ADDRESS AND A PASSWORD, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ONE PERSON ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT. THEY MAY NOT KNOW IT, BUT THERE AGAIN, STAN CAN PROBABLY HELP OUT IN THAT RESPECT. THOUGHTS. IF YOU WANT TO MONITOR IT AND LET US ALL KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE POSTED. WELL, LET'S SEE, BECAUSE I WON'T BE. I'VE GOT TOO MANY THINGS TO MONITOR, AND HALF THE TIME I'M OUT IN THE FIELD. LET'S SEE, ONCE YOU'RE IN IT, IF IF THERE'S A NEW POST ON A THREAD YOU HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT THREADS, YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT TOPIC AREAS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MIX EVERYTHING UP IN ONE THING, DIFFERENT TOPIC AREAS. AND ONCE THINGS ARE POSTED, YOU'LL GET AN EMAIL ALERTING YOU THERE'S AN UPDATED POST. SO THAT WAY YOU'D KNOW IF NEW THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ANY ONE OF THE TOPIC AREAS. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT WORKED REALLY WELL WHEN? WELL, I'M STILL ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD SOON. BUT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IN LAGO CAN GO ON THERE AND SEE THE CURRENT DISCUSSION AND THOUGHTS OF THE MEMBERS. AND WE DON'T GO SCATTERED INTO, YOU KNOW, THESE TEXTS, THESE EMAILS, YOU KNOW, THREE ARE ON THIS EMAIL, FIVE ARE ON THIS EMAIL OR SEVEN OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, IT'S RIGHT THERE AND IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT. SOUNDS GOOD. THAT'S ALL I GOT. NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS 
          [V.3. Discussion of and committee consensus on a list of prioritized amenities to include in the proposed design of an approximately 2-acre "City Park" on Dawn Drive at Lynn Lane.]
DISCUSSION OF THE COMMITTEE'S CONSENT. ON OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES. AMENITIES TO INCLUDE THE PROPOSAL DESIGN OF APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES AT CITY PARK ON DAWN DRIVE AND LYNN LANE. SO. DO YOU WANT ME TO START? YEP. YOU CAN START BECAUSE I'M. I HAVE SOME NOTES AND SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE VERY OUTSET OF THE TIME THAT I WAS ON THIS ON THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MASTER PLAN AND WE'VE, WE'VE FOCUSED ON WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TOLD US THROUGH THE HALF REPORT. AND THE NUMBER ONE COMMENT ABOUT PARKS DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT WAS 86% OF THE RESIDENTS AGREED WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT. I BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD MORE FULLY DEVELOP THE PARKLANDS AND OPEN SPACE THAT ALREADY THAT IT ALREADY OWNS. DAWN CIRCLE QUALIFIES THAT ABSOLUTELY. BEYOND A DOUBT, IT WOULD BE A NEW PARK, NEW TRAILS, MORE GREEN SPACE. IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA. IT'S IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. I'M PROBABLY STEALING A LOT OF YOUR THUNDER HERE, DAVID. YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE CENTER OF TOWN WHERE LOTS 
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OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER TOWN CAN USE IT. IT HAS POTENTIAL CONNECTIVITY TO THE REST OF DAWN. DRIVE AS IT DEVELOPS, HAS A VERY NICE OVERLOOK OF LAKE TRAVIS. AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS SITUATED WELL BACK FROM LOW TRAFFIC FLOW, LOW SPEED LIMIT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE IT'S NOT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENTS ARE RIGHT THERE. I CAN ENVISION A LOT OF FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, GOING THERE TO HAVE LUNCH, PLAY WITH THEIR KIDS, THROW A FRISBEE. YOU KNOW, IT'D BE AN IDEAL PARK FOR GOING OUT AND THROWING A FRISBEE AROUND. I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S 2022. IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN 2022. PLAN BACK THEN. SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. I MEAN, WE OBVIOUSLY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING IN 24 OR 25 FOR IT AGAIN. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO. YEAH, IT'S NOT IN MY OPINION. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY GOING FORWARD. THE HIGHEST PRIORITY PARK IN THE CITY TOTALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S READY TO GO. IT'S LEVEL. AND WE HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING THAT ACTUALLY HAS SOME. SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE SCREEN THERE ACROSS FROM YOU. SO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION IS TO COME UP WITH A PRIORITIZED AND SPECIFIC LIST OF PROPOSED AMENITIES, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME DESIGN OF THIS PARK, RECOGNIZING THAT WE WILL LIKELY DO THIS IN PHASES OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. BUT COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO KNOW. SO THIS PARTICULAR WHICH WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE, THE, THE BIG SPLASH PARK CONCEPT, THE SOME COUNCIL THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE AIMING WAY TOO HIGH. THIS IS GOING TO BE WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. SO WE SORT OF NEED TO, TO LAND THE CRAFT A LITTLE BIT. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES YOU A VARIETY OF AMENITIES. AND WE TALK THROUGH THIS AT THE LAST MEETING. AND THEN STEVE, YOU MAY RECALL, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF AN ACTIVITY BUILT INTO THAT THAT WOULD HAVE MET THE NEEDS OF PRETEENS AND TEENS. AND SO WE HAD TALKED THROUGH THE IDEA OF MAYBE ADDING FITNESS COMPONENTS ALONG THE WALKING TRAIL, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO THIS EVENING IS COME UP WITH A LIST OF 5 TO 10 SPECIFIC AMENITIES. AND THIS DRAWING IS, IS REALLY DESIGNED ONLY TO SORT OF DRIVE IDEAS. BUT SO ON THIS ONE, IN TERMS OF ACTIVE PLAY, YOU'VE GOT THINGS LIKE A BASKETBALL COURT IN TERMS OF PASSIVE ACTIVITIES. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE WALKING TRAILS IN TERMS OF OF SITE AMENITIES, YOU'VE GOT THE PICNIC SHELTER. 
          YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY RESTROOMS AND THEN SOME SEATING AROUND THE PLACE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A WATER PLAY FEATURE. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST JUMPING OFF IDEAS. EACH OF YOU, WE HAD ASKED TO BRING FIVE SPECIFIC AMENITIES SO THAT WE COULD HASH THROUGH THAT. AND WE WOULD COME AWAY WITH A PRIORITIZED LIST OF 5 TO 10 AMENITIES THAT WE COULD BEGIN TO USE TO DESIGN A PARK MOVING FORWARD. SO, SO THE TIMETABLE WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR FIRST HIGHEST PRIORITY AMENITIES? BECAUSE A BASKETBALL COURT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NICE, BUT THAT MAY BE THAT MAY NEVER HAPPEN. IT COULD BE TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YES. AND THAT'S TRUE. SO WHEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A LIST OF 5 TO 10 PRIORITIZED AMENITIES, WE'RE TALKING FOR THE A FULL BLOWN MULTI-PHASED DESIGN. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN PHASE ONE. IT JUST MEANS THESE ARE THE AMENITIES, THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE AS WE DESIGN THIS PARK, WHICH WE PRESUME WE WILL THEN BUILD OVER TIME IN PHASES. OKAY. DAVID. SO I'VE, I PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS AND MINE WERE KIND OF FOR PHASE ONE. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I WAS, I WAS THINKING, WE'LL GET PHASE ONE PUT TOGETHER FIRST. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO PHASE TWO, WE'D LOOK AT, YOU KNOW. WOULD, WOULD BE LOOKING MORE AT WHAT WOULD, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PARK IS GETTING USED FOR AFTER PHASE ONE. WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHO WE'RE CATCHING. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT AGE GROUPS, DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. WE'LL 
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BE WE'LL BE CATCHING. SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, MY FIRST ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY MY FIRST AMENITIES, A TRAIL PUT A TRAIL IN THE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO REEL SOME OF MINE OUT THERE, PUT OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUES HERE WILL THROW SOME MORE IDEAS AT YOU AS WELL. SO I PUT DOWN TRAIL, OBVIOUSLY WITH A TRAIL, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO PARK. SO OBVIOUSLY A, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPOTS. SO THAT'S TWO. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GETTING PUBLIC IN THERE, WE NEED SOME BENCHES TABLES, WHICH I WAS SLASHED AND THEN TRASH CANS, DOGGIE BAGS SLASHED. EVERYTHING. AND THEN AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SOME SORT OF LIGHTING. 
          SO THAT GIVES US FIVE NO REGRETS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE TALKING, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A BASKETBALL COURT IN AND THEN GO, HEY, YOU KNOW, CAN WE MOVE IT 50FT TO THE RIGHT? YES. SO BUT TO THAT POINT, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A LIST OF 5 TO 10 PRIORITIZED AMENITIES, THE REASON WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THE MULTI PHASES IS THAT AS YOU DESIGN THE PARK, YOU WANT TO ASSUME FOR BUILD OUT. SO WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO LAND OUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH A FULLY BLOWN AND CONSTRUCTED PARK, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE ELEMENTS ARE AND WHERE THOSE ELEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING AND UNDOING TO ACCOMMODATE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. SO IF, IF, IF A DESIRE AT SOME POINT IS TO SEE A PLAYGROUND ON THAT PARK, WE NEED TO KNOW IN, IN THE DESIGN PHASE WHERE THAT PLAYGROUND IS GOING TO LAND, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WALKING TRAIL IS GOING TO AVOID THAT, AND IT'S GOING TO AVOID THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT AS WELL. SO WE REALLY NEED TO THINK FULLY EXPANDED DESIGN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THOSE ELEMENTS ON A LIST SO THAT EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD PHASE BY PHASE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH ALL OF THOSE THINGS INITIALLY. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KNOW WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH FUTURE ELEMENTS AS WELL. BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS IS FOR THE GROUP. ANYBODY REALLY DO? DOES ANYBODY HAVE A GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE, PARTICULARLY IN THE OVERLOOKS? ARE THEY MOSTLY FAMILY? ARE THEY YOUNG KIDS? IF THEY ARE FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT LIVES THERE. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY AND PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR I GOT TWO GUYS LIVING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUNG KIDS. AND RICK'S GOT ONE GUY THAT'S OVER 70 IN THERE. SO IT SEEMS TO BE BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM AND NOT IN THE MIDDLE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A GOOD, GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM WHERE YOU CAN ASK THEM? YEAH, THEY WORK FOR ME. YEAH. I FIGURED THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID YOUR GUYS. BUT YOU KNOW, COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST KIND OF ASK THEM TO, TO GIVE THEM THEIR VIEW OF, OF IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE IN TERMS OF FAMILIES, KIDS, OLDER FOLKS, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE RETIREES THERE? BECAUSE THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LOVE THE IDEA OF A SPLASH PAD IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THERE ARE NO KIDS LIVING IN ANY OVERLOOKS OR AROUND THAT AREA, WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT BE A REALLY GOOD, EFFICIENT USE OF MONEY. I DON'T SEE A SAND VOLLEYBALL COURT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL A THING OR NOT. I'M SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I MIGHT OFFER FOR THAT LIST. SO, I MEAN, I'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, THE POWER'S GOT A SAND VOLLEYBALL COURT. DOES IT GET USED? NO. NOT REALLY. OKAY. WELL WE WE SUNSET PARK AS WELL. OH. OH REALLY? OKAY. DOES IT GET USED. NO, EVERYBODY WANTS IT, BUT NOBODY USES IT. SCRATCH THAT. YEAH. SAME WITH THE OVERLOOK BECAUSE MY SON LIVES THERE. YEAH. IT'S THE AGE RANGE. RUNS THE GAMUT. SINGLE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH KIDS, LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH DOGS. AND I SEE PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS THROUGH THERE. SO I THINK THE TRAILS ARE A NO BRAINER. YEAH. LIKE ANDREW WAS SAYING, THEY WON'T REALLY IF YOU DESIGN THEM RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING ELSE. AND WE ALWAYS LOVED GOING TOWARD THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY WHERE, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU HAVE THAT VIEW AT PACE BEND PARK IN THE LAKE THERE. AND THEN I THINK, I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTION WAS IF 
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WE CAN GET BENCHES AND TABLES AND A BASIC PLAYGROUND IN, FOR STARTERS, YOU GET INTO SHADED STRUCTURE THAT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT SHADE COULD BE NICE. BUT THE WAY DAVID POSITIONED THE PLAYGROUND HERE, IT'S UNDER SOME TREES, SO THERE'S SOME SHADE OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS, I DON'T KNOW, DAVID, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON APPETITE ON CITY COUNCIL? BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TONE IT DOWN FROM THE 2.7 MILLION OPTION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSALS. 2.2 YEAH, IT WAS WELL, IF IT'S AROUND 110,000, THEN WE'RE TALKING LIKE, OH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PEOPLE FELT LIKE THEY COULD APPROVE FAIRLY READILY. IF, YOU KNOW, AS A CIP TYPE USING THE TREE MITIGATION FUND DOLLARS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY CAVEAT I GIVE THERE WITH WHATEVER IS IN PHASE ONE. 
          YEAH. JUST DON'T CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S OVERPRICED, RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK ANDREW PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH NAILED IT ON, ON SOME OF THE INITIAL AMENITIES. YOU KNOW, A TRAIL, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED, YOU NEED TRASH CANS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PICNIC PICNIC TABLES AND BENCHES, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TRASH CANS, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE WALKING THEIR DOGS, STICK A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ARE, BUT THEY CAN'T BE OUTRAGEOUS. THE, THE DOGGY BAG POSTS THAT YOU JUST KIND OF 250 BUCKS. OH, THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S NOT THEN YOU HAVE TO REFILL THEM CONSTANTLY. YEAH. WELL TRUE. YEAH. I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S ABOUT TWO GRAND A YEAR WE SPEND ON DOGGIE BAGS. YEAH. BUT THAT'S ACROSS WHAT, TEN, 11 PARKS? NOT A LOT OF DOG. SO SO AGAIN, YOU, YOU GUYS CLEARLY HAVE A CONCEPT FOR WHAT PHASE ONE OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE. AND AGAIN, GREAT. IT JUST THEN BECOMES A MATTER OF, OKAY, WHAT ELSE SHOULD THE PARK INCLUDE OVER TIME? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU WANT YOUR DESIGN TO INCLUDE THOSE THINGS EVEN IF YOU DON'T BUILD THEM OUT IMMEDIATELY. SO AS WE TALKED AT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION WAS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR A YEAR ONE, IT WAS, YEAH, WE COULD LIVE WITH, BUT IN A SWING SET AND, YOU KNOW, GET US TO IT. 
          AND THAT WAS ABOUT 100 GRAND. BUT THERE WAS ALSO A CONVERSATION ABOUT DESIGNING SOMETHING BIGGER THAT COULD BE BUILT OVER TIME IN PHASES. THAT WAS MORE IN THE WE STARTED OFF AT $300,000 AND GOT AS HIGH AS $500,000 AGAIN OVER TIME AND IN PHASES, BUT THAT MEANT A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST THE WALKING TRAIL AND PARKING LOT. SO. SO AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY IN TERMS OF PHASE ONE. IS THERE MORE THAN THAT OVER TIME THAT YOU THINK WOULD MAKE THIS A PARK TO WHICH THE BROADER COMMUNITY WOULD COME? I KNOW, I KNOW FROM. GO AHEAD. SORRY, THIS JUST REAL QUICK. OH, ABSOLUTELY. OVERALL, I THINK EVERYBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, THINK OF THE MOON FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS PARK HOWEVER, CAN'T GET THE MOON FOR FIVE. HOWEVER, WHAT KAREN JUST SAID CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE THE APPETITE TO SPEND MONEY ON PARKS. AND I BELIEVE THEY STILL DON'T BECAUSE IT'S BEEN I MEAN, YOU HAD NO EMPLOYEES. SO THIS IS VERY RECENTLY THAT THEY'RE EVEN CONSIDERING IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. I DON'T MEAN A BIRD. I THINK THE OTHER CONSIDERATION YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT DAVID AT THE MOMENT IS YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH IN THERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF'S GOT TO LOOK AFTER IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, A RESTROOM WOULD BE GREAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS TO ALL THESE THINGS START TO ADD UP OF WHO'S LOOKING AFTER IT. AND DO YOU HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT ALL? YOU KNOW, AS I SAY, ALL THE THINGS I THREW DOWN, THERE ARE NO BRAINERS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T REALLY TAKE MUCH LOOKING AFTER IT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EMPTY TRASH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE. SORRY, SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM DON AS WELL. BUT YES, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO, I MIGHT ECHO ANDREW'S QUITE A BIT. I DEFINITELY SAW TRAILS OF COURSE. NUMBER ONE THE NATURE TRAIL ADA ACCESSIBLE TRAIL. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO PURSUE SOME GRANTS, ESPECIALLY GOING THAT DIRECTION WITH TRAILS. BUT PARKING, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF THAT, I REALLY WOULD ALSO HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THE FITNESS STATIONS ALONG THE TRAILS AND TO HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE STATIONS WITH THE DOGGY BAGS, BUT ALSO SOMETHING FOR WALKERS AND TEENS, MAYBE THAT MIGHT UTILIZE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BENCHES AND WERE IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, I THINK TO MAXIMIZE USAGE OF THE VIEW WALKERS WHO WERE OR DOG WALKERS OR PEOPLE EXERCISING, I THINK IS THAT MY NEXT PRIORITY 
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FOR MYSELF? PICNIC TABLES AND THE PAVILION TO ME COME INTO THE NEXT PHASE. I THINK ALL THE OTHERS ARE BASICS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE TRAILS IS LIKE, LIKE I SAID, TRAILS, PARKING BENCHES, YOU KNOW, THE FITNESS STATIONS WAS ONE I THREW IN THERE I THOUGHT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE OTHER THAN JUST THE TRAIL. BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE, THE TABLES AND THE PAVILION, THEN YOU NEED THE RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HOPEFULLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE FAMILIES WHO REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, KIDS PARTIES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAMILY PICNICS, SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR RIGHT NOW. THERE JUST ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE TO GET OUT THERE. AND LIKE, LIKE MARK WAS SAYING, PLAY FRISBEE, GET OUT THERE WITH YOUR FAMILY AND DO WHATEVER. SO TO ME, THE RESTROOMS COME WITH THE USAGE OF THE PICNIC TABLES AND PAVILIONS. I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE AS THE NEXT PRIORITY FOR ME AFTER THAT. FOR ME, THEN THE THE WATER PLAY FEATURE IN THE BASKETBALL COURT, HALF BASKETBALL. THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS I'M INTERESTED IN LONGER TERM. EVERYTHING. ONCE YOU START WITH THE PICNIC TABLES, YOU KNOW, AS A PHASE AND THEN THE BIGGER ITEMS IS ANOTHER PHASE. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WITH THE WATER PLAY FEATURE OR THE BASKETBALL COURT I THINK IS A THIRD PHASE. SO BUT I THINK IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE AND WE'LL HEAR FROM DON NEXT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ALL KIND OF IN AGREEMENT ON THE TRAILS, YOU KNOW, AND BENCHES AND PARKING. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PRETTY YOU'RE MOVING, RIGHT? YOU'RE MOVING, YOU'RE SITTING FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT YOU CAN AVOID THE RESTROOMS. ONCE YOU GET THOSE TABLES IN AND YOU GET A PAVILION, I THINK WE HAVE TO START THE NEXT PHASE MIGHT BE RESTROOMS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I THINK SO, YEAH. AND I CAN TELL YOU RESTROOMS AREN'T CHEAP. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING WHEN YOU START, YOU KNOW, IF FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESERVE A PAVILION FOR A PARTY, YOU'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. AND IT'S JUST, I AGREE, I'M JUST SAYING PLAN AHEAD THING, YOU KNOW, PLAN AHEAD THING, KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND AND THEN DOWN THE LINE A PHASE THREE MAYBE BEING THOSE BIGGER ITEMS, YOU KNOW. 
          SO I BEFORE WE MOVED OUT HERE, WE LIVED IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN AND WE HAD A PARK SIMILAR TO THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE THINGS THAT WERE MOST UTILIZED THAT WE ACTUALLY UTILIZED AS A FAMILY WERE, OF COURSE, THE TRAILS. THAT WAS A BIG THING BECAUSE IT WAS A SHADED PLACE TO WALK, JOG, WALK THE DOG. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEDICATED PARKING FOR THAT PARK. 
          YOU JUST PARKED ON THE STREET. THERE WAS A CUT IN THE SIDEWALK FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE THINKING THAT PARKING LOT WOULD BE NEEDED IN PHASE ONE, BUT WE DID HAVE A REALLY NICE PLAYGROUND THAT WAS SHADED BY TREES, AND WE HAD A PAVILION, AND THE PAVILION HAD. THE BIG HEAVY METAL PICNIC TABLES IN THERE. AND SO THOSE WERE THE MOST POPULAR THINGS. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY BATHROOMS THERE. AND IN THE SUMMERTIME, I THINK THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAD A GRANT TO RUN CAMPS FOR KIDS THERE, AND THEY WOULD DROP OFF PORTA POTTIES IN THE IN THE SUMMERTIME. BUT THAT WAS A POPULAR THING DURING THE SUMMER. 
          IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS CALLED P THREE CAMPS, AND THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE STATIONED UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION. AND THEN THEY HAD DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AROUND THE PARK. SO MIGHT BE SOMETHING. BUT SO I WOULD THINK THE EXCUSE ME, THE, THE TRAILS PLAYGROUND SHADE STRUCTURE WOULD PROBABLY BE MY. MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY WON THE LOTTERY, I'D BE FOR ALL OF IT, A BIG LOTTERY. SO IF IF I'M LOOKING LONG TERM ON THERE, DAVID, I'D RECOMMEND A PAVILION. DEFINITELY WITH BARBECUE PITS OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S. I KNOW THAT GETS USED A LOT WITHIN THE POA. THE RESTROOM, OBVIOUSLY A, I'D PUT A PRETTY LARGE PLAYGROUND IN THERE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN ACROSS THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOUNG FAMILIES. AND HOPEFULLY I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL EVER HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IF, 
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IF, IF BONANZA EVER GETS DEVELOPED, I MEAN, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BIKE PARK, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A YOUNGER PICNICKING AREA AND THAT THE BOUND AND UNBOUND, SORRY, BONANZA, BONANZA WOULD BE MORE OF THE TEENAGER PARK. AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LESS THAN HALF A MILE APART. SO THAT'D BE MY OPINIONS. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO IF I CAN JUST SORT OF RECAP THESE LISTS TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. SO, ANDREW, FOR FIRST PRIORITIES, WALKING TRAILS, OBVIOUSLY THIS IDENTIFIED AS A PARK TABLES AND BENCHES, TRASH CANS, LIGHTING, THEN SECOND PHASE PRIORITIES WOULD BE PAVILION WITH BARBECUE AND TABLES, RESTROOM, PLAYGROUND. ALL RIGHT MARK, I GOT WALKWAYS, WALKWAYS, THE DOGGY. YEAH. DOG STATIONS. YEP, YEP. YEAH. REALLY, I'M JUST SPECULATING. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE'S DISAGREEING. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT ALL THAT YOU NEED. YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE WAY THE PARKING IS SET UP, YOU LITERALLY PUT INTO A PARKING SPACE ON THE RIGHT. IS THERE ANY WAY OF PUTTING A BUFFER IN THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVE, OUT OF THE PARKING SPACE DIRECTLY IN. OKAY, I CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE A NOTE. YEAH. IS THERE A CURB THERE? PROBABLY NOT. NO EXISTING. NO. SO YOU COULD JUST PARALLEL PARK ALONG THE STREET. YOU CURRENTLY YOU'D BE PUSHING ONTO DIRT AND GRASS, I THINK IS WHAT BUFFERS. JOHN. DRIVE. YEAH. AND I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A IS THERE A CURB ON THERE ON THE CORNER ON THE, THE, THE CIRCLE ON THE OUTSIDE. YEAH. YEAH. AND IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NEXT ROAD. THAT ROAD IS KIND OF CUT THROUGH ROAD NOW ISN'T IT? NO. AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF WHERE THE END OF YOUR PARKING LOT IS. TOWARDS THE CIRCLE. THERE'S A TELEGRAPH POLE WITH POWER AND STUFF. THERE'S POWER LINES THERE. I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE. YOU'LL HAVE TO MARK IT OUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I MEAN, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL PLAN. YEAH I KNOW ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. SO GO BACK TO THE LIST WITH CAROLYN, SORT OF A FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE WALKWAYS, TRAILS, PARKING, FITNESS STATIONS. I FEEL LIKE I MISSED SOMETHING IN THAT FIRST PHASE. OR WAS THAT, WAS THAT FIRST PHASE? PRIORITIES. BENCHES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN SECONDARY WOULD BE PAVILION PICNIC TABLES. AND THAT THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR RESTROOMS. AND THEN THIRD TIER WOULD BE PLAYGROUND AND WATER PLAY OR BASKETBALL. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PICNIC TABLES FOR THE RESTROOM. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID. THERE WERE NO RESTROOMS AT THAT. THE PARKING UTILIZED IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN, CORRECT. WERE THERE WERE PICNIC TABLES? YES. OKAY. WAS IT CLOSE TO WAS IT CLOSE TO NO RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE? WELL, IT WAS BESIDE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. YEAH. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE WAS IT WAS HIGHLY USED. IT WAS RENT. THE PAVILION WAS RENTED FOR PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YEAH, THERE WAS NO RESTROOMS. SO DID THEY BRING IN PORTA POTTIES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU SAID DURING THE SUMMER THEY BROUGHT IN DURING THE SUMMER WHEN THEY RAN THESE CAMPS. IT WAS A DAY CAMP AND THEY WOULD BRING IN A PORTA POTTY FOR THAT, FOR THE KIDS AND THE COUNSELORS. BUT YEAH, THERE WERE THERE WERE NO RESTROOMS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A WALKABLE PARK. THERE WERE PLENTY OF HOMES AROUND THERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD DRIVE THERE TO, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN AMEND MY LIST, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT PICNIC TABLES IN PHASE ONE PICNIC TABLES. YES. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST CALL ALL THAT PARK FURNITURE. YEAH. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE, YOU GOT TO HAVE BOTH, I THINK, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PAVILION YOU SAY NO, NO NO NO 
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NO, JUST PICNIC TABLES, PICNIC TABLES AND BENCHES. I THINK THEY KIND OF KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT THEN BACK TO TO DAWN. I GOT THREE PRIORITIES TRAILS, PLAYGROUND AND THEN PAVILION WITH TABLES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK WE DEFINITELY END UP WITH A TOP 5 TO 10. YEAH. IN THAT LIST. SO YEAH, SO MY PAVILION HAD BARBECUE PITS. I DID SEE THAT, WHICH IS MORE MONEY, BUT I DID SEE THAT. I'LL REDUCE THE TOILET TO A ONE STALL THEN TO HAVE MY BARBECUE PITS. CAN YOU USE A BARBECUE PIT AND A BURN BAN? YOU CAN IF IT'S GOT A LID. 
          OKAY. YOU'RE TALKING YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TRUE BARBECUE PIT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THESE THAT ARE ON A POLE. YEAH, YEAH. I, YEAH, I CAN REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NECESSARILY NEED A PAVILION TO PUT THOSE IN. DO YOU KNOW? BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE PAVILION AND THE PLAYGROUND THING, THAT WOULD BE MY FUTURE VIEW. NOT NECESSARILY IN THE AMENITIES FOR PHASE ONE. YES. PLAYGROUND, PROBABLY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY AGREE YOU GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION, DAVID, TO GET ON WITH? YEP. ALRIGHTY. SO YEAH. 
          SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I WILL ASSEMBLE THIS LIST, CONFIRM THIS LIST, AND THEN. WE CAN LOOK AT. SO IF WE WERE JUST LOOK AT THE DESIGN THAT YOU SEE UP THERE. NOW, THEN WATER PLAY ESSENTIALLY GOES AWAY. BASKETBALL GOES AWAY. PLAYGROUND MAY BE SCALED DOWN. 
          RESTROOM. SO THE THE THE, THE 1.4 MILLION PROJECT HAD A WE'LL REFER TO AS A ONE, BUT BATHROOM, A UNISEX BATHROOM THAT MAY END UP IN A DESIGN FOR A FUTURE PHASE. BUT SO LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PICNIC PAVILION. THAT ONE HAS A SHELTER THERE, PROBABLY RELOCATED ALONG THE TRAIL ITSELF, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF YOU INDICATED A DESIRE TO HAVE A VIEW. THE VIEW. SO PICNIC BENCHES AND TABLES. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THOSE IS YOU CAN DROP A COUPLE OF THOSE, AND THEN YOU CAN GROW THOSE OVER TIME. AND WE CAN EVEN DO THAT IN-HOUSE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN EASY SOLUTION. SO THE, THE WALKWAYS, THE TRAILS OBVIOUSLY WOULD STAY THE, MAYBE A SCALED DOWN PLAYGROUND, AS I INDICATED, FOR FUTURE LIGHTING ALONG THE TRAIL AND WELL, FITNESS ZONES GOT ONE VOTE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT ACTUALLY CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SOME GRANT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO IT WILL REALLY BE A VERY BASIC BASIC PARK. SO I WOULDN'T SCALE DOWN THE PLAYGROUND. I'D SCALE IT UP IF ANYTHING. IF I LOOK AT THE PARKS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE POA, I CAN TELL YOU WHICH PLAYGROUNDS GET USED THE MOST. 
          AND IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH LOCATION. IT'S TO DO WITH WHAT THE KIDS WANT. AND IT'S MOM, CAN I GO TO CODY? RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T CHEAP ON THE PLAYGROUND BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T GET THE KIDS. OH NO, NO, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. IN FACT, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS, WELL, WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF NEED TO LET GO OF THESE TRADITIONAL PARK CATEGORIES POCKET PARK, REGIONAL PARK, NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE FINDING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GO WHERE THEIR NEEDS ARE AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DRIVE THERE TO GET THERE. SO YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THING WE NEED TO CONSIDER. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE, I THINK IT'S ROUNDBALL ROCK. WAS IT ROUND ROCK OR LAKESIDE? ONE OF THE PLAYGROUNDS HAS JUST COME ONLINE SOMEWHERE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER. OH NO. I'M THINKING, YEAH, IT'S ROUND ROCK. AND THEY PUT PARALLEL ZIP LINES AND THE KIDS ARE LINING UP OUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY TO PFLUGERVILLE TO GET ON THEM. 
          ACTUALLY, LAKELINE IN CEDAR PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING MILES AND MILES TO GET ON THINGS NOWADAYS. RIGHT DOWN. OKAY. DISCUSSION FOR WHICH IS THE CONSENSUS 
          [V.4. Discussion of and committee consensus regarding PRAC/KLVB joint presentation to City Council regarding park improvements at Bowden Point and proposed "City Park" on Dawn Drive at Lynn Lane.]
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REGARDING THE PARK AND THE, THE JOINT PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING PARK IMPROVEMENTS AT BARTON POINT AND THE PROPOSED CITY PARK ON DORN DRIVE AND LYNN LANE. SO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT A COPY OR YOU'VE SEEN A COPY OF THIS OVER THERE. YEP. YOU GOT IT. SO I DO, I DO, I'VE, I'VE READ, I READ IT. SO I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE HAPPY WITH HOW WE'RE PRESENTING THIS. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION UP HERE AMONGST OURSELVES AS WELL. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, AT THIS POINT NOW PULL THIS STUFF FROM WHAT I'VE SENT THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE THINKING BEHIND IT AND SHOWS SHOWS THE PATHWAY ITSELF. SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT MANY SLIDES AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALL PUT 50 SLIDES TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WOULD KILL US FOR IT. 
          SO WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT PRETTY, YOU KNOW, CLEAN. I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY PRESENTED. 
          YES. YOU'VE ALREADY PRESENTED YOUR STUFF TO COUNCIL. SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS BEHIND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, AN INTRODUCTION. AND THEN THE TWO PHASES, OUR PHASE OR OUR, OUR PROJECT AND THEN YOUR PROJECT. AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU BOTH EQUAL AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, SLIDES EACH. AND OBVIOUSLY WE JUST PULLED OUT YOUR INFORMATION AND WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY STILL GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO ON OUR SIDE OF THINGS, BUT I MEAN, WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK TO THIS IS WORDINGS AND IS EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH THIS? WITH ALL OF IT, ALL OF IT, ALL OF IT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL. APART FROM WE NEED TO DROP IN, YOU KNOW, A COST SHEET. ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ON US? I MEAN, I KNOW SOME OF US HAVE WORKED ON THIS AND PUT SOME SLIDES TOGETHER AND STUFF. SO WE'RE MORE FAMILIAR THAN OTHER PEOPLE. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. YEP. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR JANICE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS THIS OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T INVOLVED IN ALL THE PLANNING OF THE BRIDGE. SO IS THERE LIKE, LITERALLY LIKE A RUN OFF OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WALKING OVER THE THROUGH THERE 30 FOOT. WOW. 
          WELL, THAT'S THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY. WOW, WOW WOW. YES. THAT'S WELL, OKAY. AND I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO GET ENGINEERING DRAWINGS WITH REGARDING THE BRIDGE AND THE WALKWAY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF THE COST ESTIMATE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SAYS ENGINEERING AND SURVEY. THEY'RE OKAY. SAME, SAME THING THAT CAROLYN IS SAYING. I MEAN, REALLY I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BUDGET FOR THIS. WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING BEING BUILT IN THE SURVEY. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT NOT A BIG THING, BUT THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF IT SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT EASILY GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. AND QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT FALLS UNDER THAT 100 000 OR THE $100,000 THRESHOLD THAT CHARLES BROUGHT UP AT THAT MEETING, AND I DID WATCH IT THE WHOLE HOUR OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          I CAN'T SEE HOW THERE'S ANY HARM HAVING THE CITY GO OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR BIDS OR RFQS. IT COULD LOWER THE COST. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THE I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAVE YOU ALL PICKED OUT A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO DO THIS? YES, WE'VE HAD A WE'VE HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT. HE'S THE ONE THAT SAYS HE'S GOT AN ENGINEERING FIRM HE WORKS WITH. HE'S GOT A SURVEY TEAM THAT HE WORKS WITH. THAT'S WHERE HE JUST CAME FROM. OKAY. EXCUSE ME, DID YOU JUST. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO'S LISTENING. COULD YOU. SORRY I DON'T SORRY. DAVID. WANT TO TURN IT ON? YEAH, I THINK I SEE A LITTLE GREEN LIGHT. IS THERE A GREEN LIGHT ON? OH, MAYBE NOT. OKAY. YEAH. 
          WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM. WE MADE HIM AWARE OF THE ADA PART OF THIS. AND THAT'S WHERE THE SURVEY IS VERY CRITICAL. WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THE SLOPE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER IN ORDER TO GET THE CONCRETE PATH IN THERE 
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CORRECTLY. AND HE'S GOT AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HE WORKS WITH. THEY GAVE HIM AN ESTIMATE. 
          THEY LOOKED OVER OUR LAYOUT. THEY WALKED THE PARK. THAT'S WHERE THAT ESTIMATE IS. I THINK $6,500 CAME FROM. SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE DIDN'T JUST MAKE THIS UP. OH NO, NO, NO I DIDN'T. BUT HOW DID YOU PICK THEM? I MEAN, DID DID YOU KNOW SOMEBODY DID HAVE YOU DONE BUSINESS WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KOSHER TO SAY WHO THIS IS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THAT I THINK IF IT'S THE CITY'S MONEY, YOU HAVE TO. WELL OKAY. IT WAS CONTRACTOR. IT'S WHO? LV CONTRACTORS, LV CONTRACTORS. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEY'RE LOCAL TO LARGO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE WE HAVE WORKED WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM ON OTHER PROJECTS OF OURS IN THE PAST. 
          THEY'VE DONE US A GOOD JOB. YOU YOU SPEAK EARLIER OF THE COST. THIS COMPANY HAS ACTUALLY DONE PROJECTS FOR US FOR MATERIAL COST ONLY. THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONATED LABOR ON SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS. YEAH. NICE. THE THE MAIN CONTACT THAT I HAVE HAS A, HAS A STRONG INTEREST IN THE PROJECT AND, AND OTHER PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY THAT CLUB HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. AND HE JUST HAS A STRONG TIE TO LAGO VISTA AND HE WANTS TO HELP. THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY WE PULLED OUT OF AUSTIN. RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, MY MY SPIDEY SENSE JUST MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT SPENDING 75 GRAND OF THE CITY'S MONEY WITHOUT IT GOING OUT FOR BID, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT MEETS THE THRESHOLD OR NOT. BECAUSE IF THESE COSTS GO UP, YOU COULD EASILY BROACH THAT THAT $100,000, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. AND THAT IS IF YOU GO OUT FOR BIDS AND YOU GET A HIGHER COST, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WELL, I DIDN'T SAY IT WOULD. I'M SAYING IF YOU SAID IT MIGHT BE A HIGHER COST. NO, I SAID IT MIGHT BE A LOWER COST. IF YOU GO OUT FOR RFQS COULD BE, COULD BE, COULD BE HIGHER. IT COULD BE ABSOLUTELY, COULD BE HIGHER DEPENDING ON WHO, WHO IS BIDDING IT. SO I THINK, I MEAN, MARK, MARK BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IN QUESTIONING. IT MIGHT BE GOOD IDEA TO HAVE MAYBE A SLIDE EXPLAINING LV CONTRACTORS IN THE RELATIONSHIP, THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, AND YOU'VE GOTTEN GOOD PRICING. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOCAL. THAT WOULD THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE AN OBVIOUS QUESTION THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL LIKELY ASK. SO IT MIGHT BE WORTH ADDING A SLIDE ON THIS. 
          JUST GIVING BACKGROUND ON THEM. YEAH. SO YOU GUYS HAVE JUST DO SOME BULLET POINTS AND THEN GET THEM TO YOU GUYS. MAYBE JUST A THOUGHT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THE PRESENTATION. SO I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS, SHE SAID. ALEX MOSLER I DON'T KNOW. ALEX. 
          YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. HE'S HE'S DONE WORK FOR ME. OKAY. SO HE, HE IS THE OH, HE IS THE GUY THAT'S THE GUY DEAL WITH MAINLY. GOT IT. DENISE IS SAYING HE HAS TOLD HER THAT IF IF HE NEEDS TO COME IN AND SAY ANYTHING TO THE COUNCIL DURING THIS PRESENTATION, HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES COUNCIL DON'T HAVE TIME FOR A WHOLE LOT OF CHIT CHAT. THEY JUST WANT THE BOTTOM LINE. SO ARE YOU KIDDING ME? NO. WE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING. WE ALL HAVE TO GET OUR POINTS IN, SO WE SOUND SMART. SO I THINK THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. YEAH. IF HE'LL COME AND PRESENT AND I WOULD INCLUDE THAT. YOU GUYS CAN SPEAK TO THE LONG THE LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP. 
          AND HE'S BEEN RELIABLE AND DONE GOOD WORK BEFORE AND GOOD PRICING, ETC. BUT HE'S ALSO MET WITH DAVID AT BOWDOIN POINT AND WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. SO DAVID SOMEWHAT KNOWS OF HIS CHARACTER. OKAY, GOOD. OOPS. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE GOT WOULD BE HOW QUICKLY, HOW QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? WELL, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T ASKED HIM THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION. HE'S HE'S IMPLIED THAT HE COULD GET ON IT WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, 2 TO 4 WEEKS, MAYBE START AFTER HE'S TOLD THE MAIN THING THERE WOULD BE. ONCE AGAIN, YOU NEED TO DO THE SURVEY WORK. YOU NEED TO DO THE ENGINEERING BEFORE WE EVER BREAK GROUND ON ANYTHING. SO THAT COULD BE A 2 TO 4 WEEK ORDEAL. SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE 6 TO 8 WEEKS BEFORE HE ACTUALLY BROKE GROUND ON IT. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF IT. WHO WOULD HAVE THE OVERSIGHT ON THAT THE CITY. TO THE. THIS. I PRESUME THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC PROJECT. SO AT SOME POINT THE 
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DRAWINGS WOULD NEED TO COME THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT. SO THEY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'D DOUBLE CHECK THE SURVEYS, THEY'D DOUBLE CHECK ANY ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT WOULD COME THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT. AS I SPOKE WITH ALEX THE VERY FIRST TIME, THAT ALL THINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS AND WHATEVER LOCAL STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD START. 
          PRESUMABLY THIS PRESUMING THIS WOULD BE HANDLED LIKE AN ORDINARY PUBLIC PROJECT. OKAY. 
          PERMITS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. CITY SO EASY TO WORK WITH. AND HOW WOULD THE HOW WOULD THE COST OR THE PAYMENTS WORK? I'M NOT SURE. BECAUSE THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO THAT THE THE WAY THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FUNDING HAS BEEN WORKING FOR KLVKLVB THIS YEAR IS THAT THEY SUBMIT RECEIPTS, COSTS, ETC. AND THEN ARE REIMBURSED AFTER AN ASSESSMENT APPROVAL OF THOSE EXPENDITURES. THAT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE MOST OF THE FUNDING NOW IS COMING OUT OF HOT FUNDS. I DON'T KNOW. NO. OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT. SO SO SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT THEN WITH. SO I ASSUME THIS WOULD WORK IN THE SAME WAY. THESE. CLEARLY THE REQUEST IS FOR TREE MITIGATION FEES. AND THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT COSTS WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND THEY'D BE EVALUATED AND REIMBURSEMENT WOULD OCCUR. AT LEAST THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DOING. I PRESUME IT WOULD BE THE SAME WAY. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY TOMORROW NIGHT WE'LL HOPEFULLY GETTING THE WORD POCKET REMOVED. WELL IN THIS CASE. BUT YES THEY'RE ADDRESSING. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR TO DON CONCERN BECAUSE THEY CAN BOTH THEY CAN BOTH BE CONSIDERED AS POCKET PARKS. SO RIGHT RIGHT. I WAS GOOD WHEN THEY WOULD TREE MITIGATION CAME UP. IT TRIGGERED. OH WE'RE GETTING THE WORD POCKET MONEY REMOVED. SO MARLENE COULDN'T GET IT HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELEVANT, BUT THIS IS WHAT SHE WROTE TO ME. SO I'M GOING TO JUST READ IT OUT. AND IT'S IN BETWEEN WEARING GLASSES AND NOT WEARING GLASSES, UNFORTUNATELY. SO HERE WE GO. FOCUSING ON THE SO THIS IS WHAT SHE WROTE TO ME. SHE SAID, SORRY, I WON'T I WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING AS I'M AT A CONFERENCE IN SAN ANTONIO. BELOW ARE MY THOUGHTS. NUMBER ONE FOCUS ON THE FIRST PHASE OF DAWN DRIVE PROJECT DESIGN. HAS MY VOTE WITH THE TOP FEATURES BEING TRAIL WALKWAY, PARKING LOT, BENCHES, TABLES. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU, DAVID. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT LIST? YEP. GOTTA READ IT. YEAH, I'VE GOT TO READ IT AGAIN. TRAIL WALKWAY, THE PARKING LOT AND BENCHES. SLASH TABLES. THEY'RE HER TOP FEATURES. NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE DEVELOP A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT COMMUNICATES THE PROPOSAL. PROPOSED PARKS AND RECREATION, RECREATIONAL INVITATIONS TO THE PUBLIC, WHILE ALSO CREATING MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ACTIVELY, ACTIVELY, ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN AND HELP SHAPE THE PROCESS AT THE END. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT LAGO VISTA RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF DAWN CIRCLE TO FEEL OWNERSHIP OF THE PROJECT. NUMBER THREE, WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO RECOMMEND FUNDING AMOUNTS FOR EACH PARK PROJECTS. APART FROM THIS, I. OH, AND THEN SHE. SOME OTHER STUFF FOR YOU, DAVID. YOU KNOW, AND I'LL SEND YOU THIS. SHE'S FOUND A TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE LOCAL GRANT AND SAINT DAVID'S GRANT. SO. OKAY. DAWN, HAVE YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THIS OR. I DO. I'M JUST GOING TO REEMPHASIZE THE CONCERNS THAT WE ALREADY 
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VOICED, LIKE AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, ONE IN REFERENCE TO THE INFORMAL FACEBOOK POLL WHERE THE COMMUNITY DID NOT SEE THAT BOWDEN POINT WAS A PRIORITY, RATHER THAN PEOPLE WERE MORE INTERESTED IN BUILDING NEW PARKS SUCH AS DAWN CIRCLE. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH USAGE BOWDEN POINT GETS. PERSONALLY, I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN ANYBODY OVER THERE. AND SO MY CONCERN IS SPENDING ALMOST $100,000 ON A PARK THAT SEES LITTLE USAGE. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND SO I WONDERED IF WE HAD COME TO A CONSENSUS AT THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE DID. I DON'T THINK YOU DID. I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T HERE SO SPECIAL. CALLED ME. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THIS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE I THINK WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS PUTTING THESE TWO TOGETHER. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ASK COUNCIL FOR. AND IF COUNCIL ASKS US WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS AND WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THE I MEAN, MY MY INITIAL CONCERN WOULD, YOU KNOW, WAS THE SAFETY OF PUTTING THIS IN BETWEEN TWO EXTREMELY BUSY ROADS. AND I HONESTLY THINK THAT'S A SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL OR. YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE YOU CAN. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. IS THERE ANY LEEWAY ON THE PORTION OF THE PATH THAT GOES? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE EAST FROM THE WALKING BRIDGE OUT TO THAT LITTLE TURNAROUND, BECAUSE THAT TURNAROUND TO ME REALLY LOOKS CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY. THAT SCARES ME. IT'S THE NARROWEST POINT OF THE POINT, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S THERE'S MUCH MORE THAN 10 OR 15FT BETWEEN THAT AND BOTH ROADS. NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT OUT AT THE POINT ALL THE WAY TO THE STOP SIGN THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE. CAN YOU BRING THAT? YOU HAVE THEIR PICTURE THAT I CAN THAT I CAN. NO. CAN YOU PUT IT UP HERE. OKAY. OH, JESUS. OH, THANKS. THANK YOU. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. KIRK KERR. CURB TO CURB. BUT WHAT IS THE. IT'S NOT ANY CLOSER THAN A SIDEWALK WOULD BE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN ALL ALONG. WELL, WE HAVE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS UP ON BARCLAY THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD EVER ARGUE THAT IT'S SAFE. IT'S THERE BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE RIGHT OF WAYS OR IT'S CERTAINLY SAFER THAN WALKING IN THE STREET. WELL, OF COURSE I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WALKING FROM HERE OUT TO HERE. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ROOM IN THIS PROJECT OR THIS DESIRE TO FINISH THIS, TO COMPROMISE ON THAT AND EITHER BRING IT BACK WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE CUSHION OR JUST DO A SINGLE THING, A SINGLE WALKWAY OUT TO A LITTLE CIRCLE, LIKE A CUL DE SAC. THAT PART, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO HAVE A CLEAR CONSCIENCE IF SOMEBODY GETS HIT FLYING DOWN, BOGGY OR FLYING DOWN HIGHLAND LAKE. MY CONSCIENCE WILL BE CLEAR. YEAH, WELL, IF IT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M I'M I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THAT PART OF IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HIT THAT COLUMN WALL. WHERE THERE'S A WALL THERE, THERE'S BUT IT HAS, BUT THERE'S THERE'S NO WALL THERE. YES THERE IS. OH YEAH. NO SIGN. BUT, BUT THERE'S NO SIGN IN IT. STRUCTURALLY, THERE IS A WALL. A BRICK WALL. 
          IS THAT THE ONE. IS THAT THE ONE THAT HAS NOTHING THERE. IT'S A NO SIGN BALL. YEAH. IT'S A NO SIGN WALL. WELL IT USED TO BE THE PARK SIGN. YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. I REMEMBER THAT IT'S CONCRETE. OKAY. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD HANG MY HAT ON THAT ACTUALLY BEING A SAFETY FEATURE, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, FIVE FOOT GAPS ON EACH SIDE OF THE MIDDLE PILLAR, 
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LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ALL DAY LONG. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, CAN WE GET THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FROM THE STREET, EITHER BY MAKING IT SHORTER AND THEREFORE ON A WIDER PART OF THE OF THE TRIANGLE WE GET INTO? YOU'RE ASKING ENGINEERING LAYOUT QUESTIONS, I GUESS, IS THAT WHAT THAT WHITE LINE IS PROBABLY TO SCALE IS NOT GOING TO BE NEAR THAT WIDE. OKAY. WELL, WHEN THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ARE MADE AND PUT TO SCALE, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THAT CIRCLE AS IT SITS RIGHT THERE WILL BE MUCH SMALLER. SO IT GIVES AN INDICATION THAT IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT TO SCALE, IT'S MUCH LARGER THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A FOUR FOOT WALKWAY. I GUARANTEE YOU THE SPACE OF THAT WHITE LINE IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO EIGHT FEET THAN FOUR FEET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S QUITE THAT WIDE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AS IT GOES ALONG THROUGH ENGINEERING WHEN IT'S DONE, LIKE DAVID SAID, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IT. I MEAN, SO IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED AND BUILT AND NOBODY KNOWS. SO. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, AS I SAY, THE ONLY. THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS THE SAFETY ISSUE. I, YOU KNOW, AS A PARENT, I'D NEVER TAKE MY KIDS THERE. I GET IT, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ADULTS THERE AND WALK AROUND A, YOU KNOW, YOUR ART WALK AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THERE'S NO WAY I'D TAKE A KID THERE. NO WAY. WELL, WE HAVE CHILDREN WHO WE HAVE PARENTS WHO DO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN THERE. BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. YEAH, YEAH, I GET IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT PUTTING THIS OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE KILLED AND HAVE CAR WRECKS. THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS 35 MILES AN HOUR ON ONE SIDE, 30 MILES AN HOUR ON THE OTHER. 
          I DRIVE IT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, AND MOST PEOPLE DRIVE 35 OR LESS. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM BOGGY, MAKING THE LEFT HAND TURN ON HIGHLAND LAKES ROAD GOES FROM 35 TO 30. THERE'S A SIGN SOMEWHERE DOWN IN HERE THAT SAYS REDUCE SPEED AHEAD. SO IT IS NOT 35 UP HERE? YES IT IS. IT IS 35. YOU SAID. OKAY, FINE, IT'S 35. AND THEN IS WHERE THE SIGN IS FOR 30MPH. 
          OKAY. SO IT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR ON BOTH SIDES. YOU CAN DRIVE GOLF CARTS ON IT. I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE COMMENT THAT MOST PEOPLE DRIVE 35 THROUGH THERE, ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR. I PROBABLY PASS THAT PLACE TEN TIMES A DAY. 
          AT WHAT RATE? SHAME ON YOU. IT'S NOT 35. CAREFUL. NO, I I, I NORMALLY PARK I KNOW I NORMALLY PARK HERE AND THAT'S WHERE I DO MOST OF MY CALLS AND TEXTING FROM. AND YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I NEVER SEE ANYBODY IN IT. I MEAN, I PASSED IT PROBABLY TEN TIMES TODAY. 
          I'VE GOT PROJECTS GOING IN THAT I'M PASSING THAT ALL THE TIME. BUT I PASSED IT JUST EARLIER TODAY, AND THERE WAS A FELLOW SITTING AT THE PICNIC TABLE HAVING HIS LUNCH. THERE WAS PASSED BY GC PLUMBING WAS THERE TODAY. THE YEAH, THEY WERE WORKING. THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING FOR ME. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WENT, YOU KNOW, TO FIND SOMEONE AN INDIVIDUAL MAN. HE DIDN'T HAVE THE THE COLORS ON. AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS JUST SITTING THERE ANYWAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST MAKING OUR CONCERNS. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK WE'VE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS RIGHT. VERY. AND YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAD, MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I LEFT WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO PRESENT BOTH OF THESE JOINTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. YEP. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR BOTH OF THEM. WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS AND LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. WE'RE JUST ALL MAKING OUR POINT HERE. AND THAT'S IT. YEAH. AND THOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE DID OUR PRESENTATION. YEP. EXACTLY. SO I MEAN. I JUST WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. ALEX SAID YES, HE CAN DO THE ESTIMATE. HE SAID THE ENGINEERING AND SURVEY WOULD BE IN A WEEK AND A WEEK AND A HALF, AND THEN POSSIBLY A WEEK IF THEY GET HEADS UP TO START. OKAY, SO WE'LL TAKE LONG. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? I JUST WAS 
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GOING TO ASK DON IF HE WAS. DID YOU DID YOU GET EVERYTHING SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO. YES. OKAY. 
          OKAY. CAN I JUST KIND OF CONFIRM NEXT STEPS? RIGHT. SO DAVID'S GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUYS'S INPUT, REDO THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE PARK, AND THEN HERE'S THE PHASE ONE BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS WERE PRIORITIZING FOR PHASE ONE AND THEN THAT COST ESTIMATE, RIGHT. AND THEN PRESUMABLY YOU GUYS NEED TO REVIEW THAT. SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU POST ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND THEN WE CAN GET FEEDBACK THROUGH THE DISCUSSION BOARD. RIGHT. SO I THINK WHAT WE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE IS WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE TWEAK HERE AND THERE OF WORDING OR WHATEVER. I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY HAPPY WITH IT. WE'LL THEN SEND IT OUT TO BE AGAIN. EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. MAKE ANYBODY LAST COMMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL JUST SAY, THIS IS IT. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TO COUNCIL. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN I THINK THE ALIGNMENT AS FAR AS WHO'S PRESENTING WHAT IS PRETTY CLEAR, RIGHT. THERE'S THE INITIAL PART ON DAWN CIRCLE AND THEN THE CLUB WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY PRESENTED. YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT IN YOUR SLEEP BY NOW. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SOME CHANGES, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THEN. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. JUST THINKING THROUGH THE FLOW. MAKE IT TOO EXPENSIVE. DAVID. DON'T MAKE IT TOO EXPENSIVE. DAVID. DAVID'S UP TO 5 MILLION NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL ESTIMATES. I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TO BID. SO SO I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME. UNIT. UNIT. I WANT TO PRESENT THIS. AND WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GOING TO OBJECT TO THIS. I DON'T THINK SO. IS I'LL PROBABLY PRESENT THIS. I'M ACTUALLY AWAY THE WEEK BEFORE I'M GOING TO MY MOM'S 90TH BIRTHDAY IN ENGLAND. SO YEAH, GOOD ON MUM. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS I'LL PRESENT THIS AND IF YOU CAN COME UP, JANICE, AND I'LL LET YOU DO YOUR COUPLE OF SLIDES AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BIASED EITHER WAY. AND THEN I MEAN, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THAT, OR I CAN JUST REEL THROUGH YOUR SLIDES AS WELL AND I WILL WE WILL DAVID SHOOT YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONTRACT? DO, SHOULD WE DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE NOTE IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND HOWEVER YOU OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS ANY LONGER, RIGHT? NO, NO. 
          SO. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD A FEW THINGS ON THAT. ONE SLIDE WOULD BE RIGHT. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME FINANCING TOGETHER. CAN I ASK TOO? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? DO YOU THINK I MENTIONED MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD UPDATE WHERE YOU'RE AT ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AS WELL AFTER THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION? AND OKAY, FORGOT TO PUT THAT ON. OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN IN-DEPTH UPDATE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE JUNE 4TH COUNCIL. 
          YES. YEAH. YEAH. I'VE ALREADY GOT PREPARED AND IT'S OKAY. I'M NOT REALLY. BUT LET'S GET THROUGH THIS ONE FIRST AND SEE WHAT RESULT IS ACHIEVED. RIGHT? AND THEN I THINK JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON PROGRESS ON THAT BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT IT. SO HEARING FROM YOU GUYS DIRECTLY WOULD BE SUPER. YEAH. I MUST MISS MARK TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER ON WAS LIKE, OOPS, FORGOT TO PUT IT ON. SO THAT'S MY FAULT. OKAY. NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSION AND 
          [V.5. Discussion of proposed fiscal year 2026-27 Parks and Recreation Department budget.]
PROPOSAL OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2627 BUDGET. YEP. SO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU COPIES OF THE WORKING DRAFT OF THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SORRY, THE NUMBERS ARE SO SMALL, BUT IN ORDER TO GET IT ALL TO FIT ON THAT LEGAL SIZE SHEET SO THAT YOU COULD REASONABLY SEE EVERYTHING AT A GLANCE, THAT'S THAT'S WHY THAT'S THE CASE. SO WE ARE USING A BRAND NEW BUDGET SOFTWARE THIS YEAR AND BUDGET. SO WE HAVE BEGUN TO PUT ALL OF OUR INFORMATION IN THERE WITH BOTH THE PROJECTED COSTS AND SOME DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THOSE THINGS LOOK LIKE. AND THERE IS A COMPARISON ABOVE THERE OF WHAT PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS HAVE LOOKED LIKE. THE FIRST DRAFT OF THIS, CHARLES IS, IS LOOKING TO HAVE BY MAY 21ST. SO WE'LL SORT OF WALK FAIRLY QUICKLY THROUGH THIS. AND THEN IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO SEE INPUT IN THE BUDGET, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. JUST KEEPING IN MIND THAT AT SOME POINT THIS WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL PROBABLY SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND THEY'LL ULTIMATELY 
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DECIDE HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND. THERE ARE SOME INCREASES AND SOME DECREASES ACROSS THE BOARD. DO NOTE THAT ONE ITEM THAT IS WILL NOT APPEAR IN THIS BUDGET ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ITEMS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PHASE ONE OF DON CIRCLE WOULD NOT BE IN THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET. THAT WOULD BE IN A CIP BUDGET. SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ARE CONSIDERED FIXED ASSETS. SO WE'LL START ON THE PARKS AND REC SIDE, WHICH IS THE STAPLED PAGES. AND AGAIN, JUST KIND OF GLANCING AT THE TOP. AND AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS A, A WORKING BUDGET, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES. SO IF YOU JUST LOOK AT AT FISCAL YEAR 26 TO 27, WE'RE LOOKING LITERALLY AT THE TOP LINE OF NUMBERS THERE. PERSONNEL SERVICES. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED CHANGES, A DECREASE OF ABOUT $70,000 BELOW THAT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. 
          THAT'S A DECREASE OF JUST UNDER 32,000 SUPPLIES, A DECREASE OF ABOUT $4,500 SERVICES. THAT'S AN INCREASE FOR TOTAL AT THIS POINT. RIGHT NOW, A DEDUCTION OF $212,000. AGAIN THIS IS A WORKING BUDGET. SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE STILL BEING LOOKED AT. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES ARE. SO LET'S GO. SO WHAT ARE YOU NOT DOING NEXT YEAR TO LET'S KNOW WHAT ARE YOU NOT DOING TO LINE ITEM DETAILS. SO LOOKING UNDER LINE ITEM DETAILS SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW SOME BASIC COSTS THERE ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONNEL. SO THE FIRST ONE THAT IS KIND OF OF SIGNIFICANCE IS REALLY DOWN TOWARDS. SO THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, WHICH IS KIND OF THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY DOWN THERE, IT'S ITEM NUMBER 1540 THAT STAYS STAT. SO NO CHANGE. 
          THERE YOU GO. A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S A CREW LEAD THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT THIS YEAR. BUT YOU CAN SEE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A COMBINATION COST THERE BETWEEN THE CREW LEAD AND THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS UNDERNEATH THAT FOR A TOTAL PROPOSED COST OF JUST UNDER $180,000. SO THAT'S AGAIN, PRETTY CLOSE IT. THERE IS ONE INCREASED POSITION NEXT YEAR SO THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT RIGHT NOW I CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE STAFF, BUT ONE OF THOSE IS GOING TO BE RETIRING IN JANUARY. SO WE'LL BE BACK AT THE ALLOWED LEVEL OF FOUR. BUT BUT THOSE REALLY ARE THE PERSONNEL COSTS. NOT A LOT OF CHANGE BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE. AGAIN, WE WON'T GET STUCK ON THINGS LIKE LIABILITY WHICH ARE AT THE TOP UNIFORMS. NO REAL CHANGE IN THOSE COSTS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT COVERS THE COST OF FOUR MAINTENANCE STAFF SHIRTS AND PANTS. AND THEN THE DIRECTORS I JUST SHIRTS, NO CHANGE THERE. TRAINING AND BUDGET TRAINING BUDGET WILL STAY THE SAME. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTIONS ON DEFENSIVE DRIVING. I HOPE TO GET CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSPECTOR IN THERE, SOME TURF MANAGEMENT, PESTICIDE HERBICIDE APPLICATOR CERTIFICATIONS, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SOME OTHER BASIC THINGS. SO AGAIN, NO REAL CHANGE THERE. RENTALS AND LEASES. THAT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE OF $12,000. AND THAT WAS APPARENTLY THERE WERE FIGURES PUT IN THERE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF. SO I WILL ADD A TRACTOR OR A, A MINI EXCAVATOR SO THAT MY STAFF WILL HAVE THOSE IN ADDITION TO THE GATORS AND THE MOWERS THAT WE ALREADY PAY FOR. SO THE COSTS WILL GO UP FOR US, BUT THE TOTAL BUDGET ITEM WILL THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A DECREASE. THEN UTILITIES, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN DECREASE AGAIN. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR, EXTRAPOLATING WHAT WE'RE PAYING MONTHLY INTO NEXT YEAR, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT FIGURE COMES FROM. SO IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S A PRETTY SOUNDLY ESTIMATED COST THERE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING NOW, BUT IT DOES ASSUME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE INCREASES IN THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THAT COULD CHANGE. SAME THING WITH ELECTRICITY. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT FIGURE LOOKS LIKE. 
          IT'S AGAIN IT'S STAT. BUT AGAIN YOU CAN SEE WHY THAT IS THE CASE. WATER SERVICE THERE'S A PROPOSED DECREASE. THIS YEAR WAS A BIG DEAL. AND THAT WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT LEAK AT THE POOL THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED. SO WATER CONSUMPTION SHOULD DECLINE. EXCUSE ME. IS THAT 
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DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AS WELL? YES IT DOES. BUT KEEP IN MIND WE ONLY WATER TWICE A WEEK. THAT'S ALL WE GET TO WATER. SO SO THOSE BIG PUDDLES ON FRIDAY MORNING. YEAH. THE WELL PART OF THAT IS SOME SEEPAGE AND STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL. BUT IT'S NOT AN ENORMOUS WATER LOSS. AND EVEN AS AND AGAIN, WE MIGHT SEE AN UPTICK NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE DAWN DRIVE MEDIANS THAT NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THAT IRRIGATION FIXED, VETERANS PARK THE SAME THING. THERE MAY BE A SLIGHT UPTICK. BUT AT THIS POINT, BASED ON ON WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR, WE WE WILL ABSOLUTELY, UNLESS THERE'S SOME UNFORESEEN DISASTER AT THE POOL, OUR WATER CONSUMPTION SHOULD BE DOWN, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS THAT WILL STAY STAT. THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 4700. AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S ALL THE PARKS, THAT'S THE FACILITIES, PLAYGROUNDS, ETC. OVER WHICH WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY. SO YOU CAN SEE CHANGE THERE. THEN VEHICLE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE THAT WILL GO UP SLIGHTLY. AND THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT JUST OVER TIME YOUR VEHICLES AGE AND THEY REQUIRE MORE MAINTENANCE. AND WE DID TAKE ON AN OLDER VEHICLE. SO THAT COST MAY BE UP BELOW THAT. THE VEHICLE SAFETY EQUIPMENT, THAT'S A REDUCTION. WE HAVE EQUIPPED ALL OF THE VEHICLES WITH LIGHT BARS. THEY'VE ALL GOT FIRST AID KITS. THEY'VE ALL GOT FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. SO ALL OF THAT WAS SPENT THIS YEAR. SO THERE WILL BE A DECREASE FOR NEXT YEAR THAT COULD SWING UP AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. BUT AT THIS POINT THAT'S A DECREASE. 
          AND WE'RE SAVING THAT JUST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SAFETY EQUIPMENT. MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES. AGAIN NO CHANGES THERE. THAT'S FOR UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS YEAR WHEN WE DID THE PATHWAY PROJECT OVER AT SUNSET PARK, ADJACENT TO THE RESTROOMS AND WHATNOT, THAT PAID FOR PORTA POTTIES DURING THAT PROJECT. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU SORT OF ESTIMATE WHAT YOU MIGHT DO. SO, BUT THE TOTAL FOR O&M IS ACTUALLY AN INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR OF ABOUT $21,000. SO THERE IS A GREATER ASK. JUST FOR A COUPLE OF VARIOUS REASONS, THEN MOVING DOWN TO SUPPLIES. THAT'S A BIG DEPARTMENTAL EXPENSE FOR US. SO THAT'S LITERALLY A 25% INCREASED BUDGET AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT DRIVES EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. DEPARTMENTALLY. AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR LEVEL OF SPENDING THIS YEAR. AGAIN, WE HAVE TAKEN ON INCREASED ELECTRICAL WORK. WE'VE TAKEN ON INCREASED IRRIGATION WORK. ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THE 25% INCREASE ON THE ASK. 
          ON THE FLIP SIDE, SMALL TOOLS I'VE SPENT MOST OF THIS YEAR ENSURING THAT THE TEAM HAS EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND EACH OF THEIR VEHICLES ARE EQUIPPED. AND SO WE SHOULD BE SPENDING A LITTLE LESS MONEY NEXT YEAR AS COMPARED TO WHAT WE SPENT THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S A DECREASE OF 25% ON THAT SIDE. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE SPENT THE MONEY THIS YEAR TO GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, FUEL AND LUBRICANTS, THAT WAS A PRETTY A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER IN THE PAST. BUT BASED ON WHAT WE ARE SPENDING ON FUEL, FOR VEHICLES, FOR EQUIPMENT, ETC. IT SHOULD NOT COME ANYWHERE NEAR THAT THIS YEAR, AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT'LL GO THAT HIGH NEXT YEAR AS WELL. SO AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE REGULATING THE SPENDING THAT WE DO AND TRY TO KEEP ON TOP OF THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE WILL SEE A LITTLE MORE SPENT IN THESE UPCOMING MONTHS JUST BECAUSE GAS PRICES ARE UP SO HIGH. BUT THE HOPE IS THAT THOSE WILL LEVEL OFF AGAIN AND WE WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR. CHEMICALS THAT WILL BE STACKED. BUT THE DIFFERENCE? SO WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIMENTING ON. SO THE CITY IN 2024 PASSED ITS IMP POLICY FOR THE USE OF ORGANIC HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDST CURRENTLY OF EXPERIMENTING WITH ACCEPTABLE ONES. WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH REPEATEDLY WITH NONTOXIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND VENDORS THAT ARE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, AND USING ONLY QUALIFIED MATERIALS. WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT'S MOST EFFECTIVE FOR US. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE. 
          AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN TO PURCHASE THOSE THOSE CHEMICALS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU ORGANICS ARE 
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A MORE EXPENSIVE AND B APPLICATION WILL OCCUR MORE FREQUENTLY. AND SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING OF A GUESSING GAME GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. SO WE'LL START AT 2500 BUCKS. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL LAND IN THAT RANGE SOMEWHERE. BUT YEAH, ORGANICS ARE EXPENSIVE. AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S INCREASED APPLICATION REQUIRED. THEN DOWN TO SO SUPPLY SUBTOTALS AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN UPTICK. MOST OF THAT IS IS JUST OPERATIONAL EXPENDITURES FOR SUPPLIES MOSTLY THEN UNDER THEN MOVING DOWN TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM THE $1,000 THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO $5,000 FOR NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY SPENT NEARLY THAT MUCH THIS YEAR. THOSE SERVICES WILL INCLUDE ELECTRICAL SERVICES, WHICH WE HAVE NOT REALLY HAD MUCH OF IN THE WAY OF LAST YEAR. AND WHILE MICHAEL HAS TAKEN ON MUCH OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THERE ARE SIMPLY SOME TASKS THAT WE CAN'T DO. AND SO WE OCCASIONALLY WILL HAVE TO BRING OUT A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN. AND THAT COSTS MONEY. YOU MAY KNOW THAT WE REMOVED A TREE IN DON MEDIAN TWO WEEKS AGO. THOSE TREE SERVICES, THOSE ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR NON BUDGETED. SO NOW WE'RE SHIFTING TO ENSURE THAT THE BUDGETS. THERE IS A BUDGET LINE ITEM THERE FOR THAT. AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH IRRIGATION SERVICES. IF THERE'S A NEED BEYOND WHAT MY TEAM CAN DO THEN WE WILL. WE'D BRING OUT A CERTIFIED IRRIGATION SPECIALISTS TO HANDLE THAT. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE UPTICK IN THOSE COSTS. AGAIN, MICHAEL HAS DONE A PRETTY AMAZING JOB AS OF DEAN AND PHIL, WITH BEING ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THE WORK IN-HOUSE. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO OURSELVES THEN. SO THAT'S SO THERE'S THE THE INCREASE ON THOSE COSTS FROM, YOU KNOW, MERE WELL, $1,000. PREVIOUSLY, WE WERE UP TO $11,000 IN THE COMING YEAR, THEN ON TO FIXED ASSETS. THIS IS REALLY WHERE PROJECTS KIND OF FALL. SO LAST YEAR WE HAD $85,000 BUDGETED. 
          THAT, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WAS FOR SHADE SHELTERS ABOVE THE SEATING OUT AT SUNSET PARK ON THE BALL FIELDS. THIS YEAR, $95,000 HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE. IF YOU NOTE UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT IS FOR THE ABILITY TO RESURFACE RESTRIPE, ETC. A SET OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHETHER THAT'S GOLF COURSE OR AN UPPER, REMAINS TO BE SEEN. BUT THERE IS A RECOGNIZED NEED TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE'LL PROPOSE IT. WE'LL SEE HOW FAR THAT SURVIVES INTO THE BUDGETARY PROCESS. PUTTING, AGAIN THE FUNDING FOR PHASE TWO OF TURN BACK, THAT ACTUALLY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE EFFLUENCE ISSUES OUT AT CEDAR BREAKS. THOSE ARE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. KNOW THIS YEAR WHAT THE EXPANSION OF 90 TO 95 ACRES IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT WITH PHASE TWO OF TURN BACK TRAILS SO THAT WE CAN, IN FACT, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          SO THE FUNDING IS THERE THAT THOSE ARE GRANT FUNDS, REIMBURSED GRANT FUNDS. SO THERE'S NO COST TO THE GENERAL FUND LEVEL. THEN AT SUNSET PARK, $100,000 THAT'S IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER TO POTENTIALLY DO THE THE ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY FROM THE PARKING LOT DOWN TO BOTH OF THE BALL FIELDS. SO AGAIN, WE'LL SEE WHAT HOW THAT SURVIVES THAT PROCESS. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN $15,000 FOR POCKET PARKS THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL DO A PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CIP AT DAWN CIRCLE. AND SO THAT'S THE TRADE OFF THERE. AND THE FUNDING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THAT IS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, THAT $15,000, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO COVER THE EXPENSES OF DESIGNING THAT PARK, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, IN HOPES THAT WE WILL FUND CIP FOR NEXT YEAR TO DO THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE THERE, IT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR, BECAUSE YOU MAY RECALL, THERE WAS A $400,000 IN SUNSET PARK FOR THE ROADWAY, THE NEW ROADWAY IN THERE. SO THAT TOTAL ACTUALLY IS IS BELOW LAST YEAR'S TOTAL. BUT DEPARTMENTALLY, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THAT'S KIND OF PARKS AND REC. ANY QUESTIONS 
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ANY COMMENTS ANY THING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE I MAY HAVE MISSED OR NEED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET IN A PARTICULAR AREA FOR SOME PURPOSE, ETC. AGAIN, JUST TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND REC, WE'VE NOT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF AQUATICS. KIND OF PUT ME ON THE SPOT. I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. DAVID. KAREN, ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU? NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN WHERE WE ARE TRYING. WELL, AND I'VE SAID THIS FROM THE OUTSET, MY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO BE A STEWARD OF THE CITY'S FUNDS. I TREAT THEM LITERALLY LIKE MY OWN. AND ANY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M ON THE FRUGAL SIDE, NOT INTERESTED IN WASTING DOLLARS, BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT THE TWO RESOURCES THAT ARE PROBABLY IN GREATER LIMITED QUANTITY FOR THIS DEPARTMENT THAN ANY OTHER ARE TIME AND MONEY. AND SO WE HAVE TO USE THOSE AS WISELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND SO I, I DO NOT TRY TO PAD ANY BUDGETS. I TRY TO LOOK AT THINGS REALISTICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET. AND THAT ACCOUNTS BOTH FOR REDUCTIONS WHERE THERE IS NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND FOR INCREASES WHERE THOSE MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE WE'RE A ALREADY DOING THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND, AND B, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN DEFICIENT IN AREAS LIKE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO AQUATICS. SO JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION AND IT MIGHT SOUND STUPID TO YOU, DAVID. SO YOUR TRAINING AND EDUCATION, YOU'VE GOT THREE GRAND IN THERE. ARE YOU ARE YOU PROPOSING TO TRAIN ALL FIVE OF YOUR GUYS FOR THREE GRAND? FOR WHICH ONE SPECIFICALLY? 4300 TRAINING AND EDUCATION. YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LIST OF, YOU KNOW, TRAINING. YEAH. SO, SO A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE TRAININGS ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY INEXPENSIVE. THEY'RE ABOUT $50 A PERSON FOR THOSE KINDS OF TRAININGS. AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHILE I HAVE FIVE CURRENTLY, I WILL HAVE FOUR NEXT YEAR. AND SO NO, THAT'S THAT'S ADEQUATE. THE BIG COST TRAININGS, THAT IS THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, RIGHT? YEAH. THE BIG COST ITEM ACTUALLY IS, IS THE CPSC, CPSC TRAINING, THE CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSPECTOR. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A COSTLY ONE. USUALLY REQUIRES TRAVEL AND IT'S A, USUALLY IT'S A THREE DAY TRAINING AND A HALF DAY EXAM PROCTORED EXAM. SO THAT THAT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT THE REST OF THEM MOSTLY ARE, ARE INEXPENSIVE, THE OTHER COSTLIER ONES. AND THERE WILL BE TWO STAFF FOR THAT ARE THE APPLICATOR CERTIFICATIONS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE TEXAS AG JUST CHARGES 300 BUCKS TO TAKE THE CLASS. YEAH. AND THEN EVERY TIME YOU TAKE THE EXAM IT'S 60 BUCKS. SO IF YOU EVEN IF YOU FAIL IT THE FIRST TIME, YOU PAY 60 BUCKS AGAIN A SECOND TIME. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE, THEY'RE REALLY MODEST TRAININGS, USUALLY 25 TO 50 BUCKS AND THEN OCCASIONAL FREE TRAINING. SO IS IT YOU THAT'S DOING THE PLAYGROUND CERT? DOING WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE PLAYGROUND CERTIFICATION OR IS IT YOUR ONE OF YOUR GUYS THAT'S DOING? IT'LL PROBABLY BE ME BECAUSE I'VE HAD THAT CERTIFICATION THREE TIMES IN THE PAST, AND IT ALLOWS FOR BECAUSE THE GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING DAILY AND WEEKLY MAINTENANCE OUT THERE. SO TO HAVE A COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE SET OF EYES GO OUT THERE AND LOOK DIFFERENTLY IS ALWAYS HELPFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PARKS AND REC SIDE? ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO AQUATICS. THIS IS ONLY TWO PAGES, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL. 
          AND WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DETAILS. SO JUST QUICKLY ABOVE. SO THERE ARE NO STAFFING COSTS IN HERE BECAUSE WE CONTRACT LIFEGUARD POOL MAINTENANCE AND CHEMICAL MAINTENANCE. SO SO ALL THE BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES MAINTENANCE AT THE POOLS, ETC. THAT'S ALL BUILT IN ON THE PARKS AND REC SIDE, MYSELF INCLUDED. SO HERE YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, SERVICES WHICH ARE MINIMAL, AND THEN FIXED ASSETS, WHICH AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT IN MOST PLACES THEY REFER TO AS CAPITAL OUTLAY OR, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT THAT DON'T QUITE RISE TO THE LEVEL OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING DOWN TO THE 4000 LINE AND BEYOND THAT, LET'S SEE. SO TRAINING AND EDUCATION, $500. I 
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DO HOPE TO HAVE ONE OF THE GUYS CERTIFY EITHER AS AN AFO OR A CPO THAT'S AQUATIC FACILITY OPERATOR OR CERTIFIED POOL OPERATOR. NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN THAT THE CONTRACTOR COMES WITH A NAFO, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ONE ON OUR SIDE. SO A THEY JUST KIND OF DOUBLE CHECK THE WORK AND B THEY CAN THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS WITHOUT US HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT. SO THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE TO HAVE IF I CAN GET ONE OF THE GUYS TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A PRETTY INTENSE ONE. I'VE DONE IT, I DID IT, I THINK IT'S A FIVE YEAR THING. I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IT'S NOT TOO INTENSE. YEAH. WELL THE. YEAH. IT'S YEAH, IT DEPENDS UPON YOU. YEAH. NO IT'S, IT'S WHAT I SAY INTENSE. IT'S JUST A LOT OF BOOK WORK. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU JUST GOT TO KNOW THE STUFF. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I MEAN BY INTENSE. BUT YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT. THEN AGAIN, JUST UNDER THE UTILITIES, WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT PHONE INTERNET SERVICES, ELECTRICITY, WATER SERVICES, AGAIN, THOSE ARE ARE BASED ON ACTUAL EXPENDITURES IN THE CURRENT YEAR. AND THEN THE ADDITION HERE IS SEWER SERVICES AND THOSE WILL BE STACKED. AND AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE JUST TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE TO DRAIN THE POOL PARTIALLY OR WHOLE. HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE DOING THAT MUCH LESS OFTEN IN THE FUTURE. SO WE MIGHT EVEN SEE SOME SAVINGS ON THE SEWER SIDE. THEN ON TO MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. 4700. SO A REDUCTION IN THAT COST OF 50%, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE OF SO MUCH WORK THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR THAT UNLESS SOMETHING GOES SERIOUSLY AWRY, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR REPAIRS INTO THE COMING YEAR. BUT POOLS OR POOLS. BUT AT THIS POINT, I ANTICIPATE ONLY ASKING FOR HALF OF WHAT WE HAD IN THERE THIS YEAR. MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSE. THAT AGAIN, IS JUST THE THE THE KIND OF THING THAT OCCURRED. BUT I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT UNDER SUPPLIES AND JUST UNDER GENERAL OPERATIONS. SO $44,600 IS THE TOTAL ASK ON THE O&M SIDE AND THEN DOWN UNDER SUPPLIES. AGAIN, A SLIGHT REDUCTION. CONSISTENT WITH OUR OWN EXPENDITURES. AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT IT'S A SEASONALLY OPERATED POOL. BUT THERE THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST BY COUNCIL, AT LEAST SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO EXPAND OPERATIONS A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN THE SPRING, AND THEN MAYBE PUSHING IT A LITTLE FURTHER OUT IN THE FALL. SO SLIGHT UPTICK IN THOSE EXPENDITURES, AS WELL AS DOWN UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS THE BULK OF THE BUDGET FOR AQUATICS. SO LINE 6100, THAT IS THE CONTRACTOR THAT CURRENTLY PROVIDES POOL MAINTENANCE, CHEMICAL MAINTENANCE AND LIFEGUARD SERVICES. SO THE ASK IS FOR $10,000 OVER AND ABOVE WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR THIS YEAR. RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S $122 AN HOUR FOR EACH WEEKEND DAY FOR OPERATIONS, FOR LIFEGUARDS, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UPTICK IN CHEMICALS. 
          AND I ANTICIPATE WHILE THE CONTRACTOR HELD THEIR COSTS THIS YEAR, THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR. SO AGAIN, THAT JUST REPRESENTS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 12% OVER THIS YEAR'S ASK A QUESTION. I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE 122 AN HOUR IS THAT FOR THE AVERAGE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WHO'S LIFEGUARDING OR IS THIS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS THE CONTRACTOR'S COST FOR THE AVERAGE LIFEGUARD. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY BUILT A THEY BUILT A COST FOR OVERSIGHT, ETC. BUT SO THEY'RE PROVIDING. YEAH. SO IT'S $30.50 PER LIFEGUARD. 
          WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. WE RUN FOUR LIFEGUARDS OUT ON SITE. THAT'S FOR THAT $122 FIGURE COMES FROM. YEAH. WOW. YEAH. THAT IS PROVISION, OVERSIGHT TRAINING. ALL OF THAT IS BUILT INTO THAT COST. GOOD COLLEGE KID JOB. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. $30 INCLUDES THE PROFIT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. NO, IT'S NOT A TON OF CASH. IT'S NOT. I MEAN THEY MAKE SOME MONEY BUT BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT A TON OF CASH. SO AGAIN NOT NOT RADICAL CHANGES. 
          OH THE ONE ITEM I'M SORRY I DIDN'T COVER FIXED ASSETS. SO I PLUGGED IN $55,000. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE DETAIL DIDN'T SHOW UP THERE. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FOR TWO THINGS. SO WE HAVE A REALLY UNUSUAL GUTTER SYSTEM AT THE POOL. AND THE GUTTERS ARE COVERED WITH FIBERGLASS GRATING 
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ALL THE WAY AROUND. WELL, THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2003. SOME OF THAT STARTING TO DETERIORATE. AND THE PROBLEM WITH FIBERGLASS IS THAT THEN YOU GET FIBERS AND PROSPECTIVE SPLINTERS, ETC. SO IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO CHANGE THOSE OUT NEXT YEAR. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE TWO LARGE IN-GROUND UMBRELLAS THAT ARE OUT THERE. THE STRUCTURALLY, THEY'RE TOTALLY FINE, BUT WHEN YOU OPEN THEM UP, YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE THROUGH THE CANVAS IN SOME AREAS. SO THE UMBRELLA FABRIC WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED IN THE COMING YEAR. SO SO THOSE ARE THE FIXED ASSETS. WHEREAS THIS YEAR THERE WERE $16,000 IN THERE FOR POOL FURNITURE WHICH WE HAVE REPLACED. BUT BUT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF A BREAKDOWN THERE. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, OR IF THERE'S ANY INPUT WHATSOEVER REGARDING THE AQUATICS BUDGET. ONE QUESTION. HOW IS SARA GOING TO AFFECT THIS IF THEY OPT OUT OF THE THE POOL UP THERE? YEAH. SO IF IF EITHER TO SARA OR THE CITY DECIDES TO STEP OUT OF THE AGREEMENT, THEN OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS WILL THEN FALL TO THE CITY. AND I ESTIMATE THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EXPENSE RANGING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN. WELL, ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD OPERATE AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE DO AT CITY POOL, IF THEY OPERATE ANYTHING AKIN TO WHAT THEY OPERATE CURRENTLY, WHICH THEY CAN DO BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE LIFEGUARDS DURING GENERAL POOL HOUR USE, WHICH IS 227 HOURS. 
          SO A LITTLE LESS THAN WE OFFER. BUT IF WE WERE TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE AND LIFEGUARD COSTS STAT WITHOUT ANY CHANGE, THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE CITY'S COSTS OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 175 AND $200,000 ANNUALLY. GOT IT. SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AND ACTUALLY JUST SOMETHING JUST SORT OF FOR FYI, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHARLES MENTIONED LAST WEEK DURING COUNCIL MEETING WAS THAT A NUMBERS HAVE COME BACK IN REGARDS TO PROPERTY VALUES. AND ACROSS THE CITY, WE'VE SEEN A REDUCTION. I BELIEVE THE PHRASE WHERE THE FIGURE WAS $187 MILLION ACROSS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO ABOUT $785,000 IN TAX REVENUES, PROPERTY TAX REVENUES. SO IF THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, THEN WE BEGIN THE YEAR WITH THAT DEFICIT. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO HURT THEN, ISN'T IT? 200 GRAND ALREADY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WOULD I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET AWAY FROM KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD REDUCTIONS, RIGHT. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT SUM. SO YEAH, EVEN IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 10% IN THE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO TO. SARAH, TO SARAH PULLS FUNDED BY. WHAT HINES HINES, THE DEVELOPER AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. SO, SO THE AGREEMENT THAT EXISTS NOW AND HAS EXISTED SINCE 2017 IS ACTUALLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN HINES AS THE DEVELOPER, THE HOA, ASSUMING AT SOME POINT IT WOULD TRANSITION FROM DEVELOPER TO THE HOA AND THE CITY. SO ALL THREE ARE PARTIES. CURRENTLY, HINES REPRESENTS THE HOA. THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL REPRESENTATION ON THE HOA CURRENTLY, SO IT IS IN FACT HINES. SO HINES BY AGREEMENT, IS REQUIRED TO OPEN THE POOL MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. 
          TO 11:30 A.M. FOR THE. ESSENTIALLY MEMORIAL DAY OUT TO THE WEEK BEFORE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL. SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 WEEKS. SO IT FIVE AND A HALF, I'M SORRY, 3.5 HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK. IT'S ABOUT 227.5 HOURS. THAT THE POOL IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE AGREEMENT. AND HINES IS REQUIRED TO PAY THOSE COSTS, WHICH AMOUNT TO ABOUT $37,000, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE FACILITY, WHICH PROBABLY WOULD BE ON PAR WITH WHAT WE'RE EXPENDING. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE RANGE OF 140 TO $150,000. MAINTENANCE COSTS IS JUST REQUIRED. RIGHT? SO SO WHO'S BUYING ALL THE CHEMICALS? IS HINES BUYING ALL THE CHEMICALS. ALL ALL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COSTS ARE THERE RIGHT. YEAH. SO THEY THEY HAVE A POOL 
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MAINTENANCE COMPANY. YEAH. BIG POOLS HANDLES MAINTENANCE UP THERE. AND THIS YEAR THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING THE SAME COMPANY THAT WE'RE USING FOR LIFEGUARDS, LIFEGUARD FOR HIRE. SO THEY'LL HAVE THEM. SO THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROVIDER, AN OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE PROVIDER. AND THEN THE LIFEGUARDS ARE PROVIDED AND THE LIFEGUARDS ARE OVERSEEN ACTUALLY BY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. SO A HINES EVER GOING TO BACK OUT OF THIS AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY TO LOOK AFTER. WELL, THAT WOULD THE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A, A DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, I THINK THEY HAVE TO GIVE THE CITY A YEAR NOTICE IF THEY WERE TO JUST WANT TO BACK OUT OF THE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'D BE A HUGE EXPENSE ON, ON TOP OF ALL FOR YOU. YEAH. THE AND I, THERE IS THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION AMONG THE COUNCIL ABOUT SITTING DOWN WITH HINES AND HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AGREEMENT AND MAKING CHANGES TO THE AGREEMENT AT THAT POINT. THAT'S MERELY A DISCUSSION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS REVIEWING THE AGREEMENT, AND I PRESUME IF HE HAS ANY CONCERNS WITH IT, THEN THOSE WOULD BECOME PART OF THAT BROADER DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? DID I MISS ANYTHING IN THAT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. PARKS MASTER PLAN, MASTER PLAN, MASTER PLAN. PLEASE READ THIS VERBATIM SO I DON'T AD LIB. SO IT'LL BE SHORT, QUICK AND SWEET. AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE I CALL IT MESSAGE BOARD. BUT THE DISCUSSION BOARD. YEAH. I'LL CREATE A NEW POST. NOT THE MESSAGE BOARD. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE REVIEWED PAGES 66 THROUGH 86 OF THE STAFF REPORT. THIS SECTION INCLUDES REVIEWING PARK INVENTORY AND CHAPTER FIVES, GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS INCLUDES DEVELOPING THE 10.7 ACRES OF PARK, LAND OR PARK DESIGNATED LAND OR ZONE. THE CITY THAT ALREADY OWNS THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS TO MEET 2035 PROJECTED POPULATION OF 17 380, WE GATHERED MORE INFORMATION OR WE WOULD LIKE TO GATHER MORE DATA ON THE PUBLIC'S INPUT. WE HAVE DISCUSSED EXTENSIVE SURVEYS, YOU KNOW, TO PUBLISH IT ON THAT THE CITY WOULD DO, PUBLISH IT ONLINE, OFFER GIFT CARDS FOR RESPONDING. BUT AS YOU LOOK AROUND, WE GET NOTHING HERE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INPUT. 
          SO RESIDENTS JUST THEY DON'T THEY DON'T COME. SO THAT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE CARROT. SORRY, I KNOW I'M AD LIBBING. IN ANY CASE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE E-BIKE USAGE IN THE CITY. WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT EXTENSIVELY AND ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE CITY HAS A ROLE IN SETTING UP UP A PART, SETTING UP A PARK TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I HAVE TO REPORT THAT AT ONE POINT THE. THE HALF REPORT. WAS RECOMMENDING EXTENDING THE AMOUNT OF SKATE PARKS, AND IT ALREADY SEEMS LIKE THAT SHIP HAS SAILED AND THE DATA OR I'M SORRY, THE THAT INFORMATION IS OUT OF DATE. SO I DON'T KNOW, THE PEOPLE REALLY SKATE, YOU KNOW, SKATE ANYMORE ON OUR RADAR IS JOINT VENTURES AND THE USE OF LVISD FACILITIES FOR SPORTS AND RECREATION. ALSO ON THE RADAR IS A JOINT VENTURE, POSSIBLY WITH THE LVPOA TO CONNECT FUTURE TRAILS AND AND LAND USE. SUITABLE LOCATION FOR A DOG PARK HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS SUNSET PARK IS THE MOST LOGICAL CHOICE DUE TO THE EXPENSE OF OR EXPANSE OF OPEN AREA, STRENGTHENING THE P RAC INTO A MORE FORMAL BOARD OR COMMISSION IS ALSO MENTIONED IN THAT HALF REPORT. TO GIVE MORE AUTHORITY IN APPROVING PARKS AND RECREATION, CONNECTING THE TRAILS THAT LEAD UP TO THAT LEAD FROM UPPER BARQUET, THE SPORTSPLEX AREA TO SUNSET PARK. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED THERE'S ONE PROPERTY RIGHT AROUND THE OLD NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE THAT IF THE CITY WERE TO BUY IT AND OWN IT, IT WOULD PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. VIA TRAILS VIRTUALLY FROM BARQUET SPORTS COMPLEX ALL THE WAY UP TO TO SARAH. AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. PROMISE IT WOULD BE SHORT AND IT'LL BE UP. IT'LL BE UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. SO DISCUSSION BOARD. IF NOBODY ELSE HAS GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. OH,
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