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          YOU READY? 
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IT'S SIX 30. 
          [I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
I'M GONNA CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          FIRST ITEM IS, UH, ROLL CALL. 
          FRANK ROBINSON. 
          I'M HERE. 
          JAMES LEE, ABSENT. 
          JIM CASON. 
          HERE. 
          LAURA SOTER. 
          HERE. 
          JEFF COBEL. 
          HERE. 
          CLIFF MCCULLOUGH. 
          ABSENT. 
          DAVE SNYDER HERE AND OUR STAFF LIAISON. 
          JORDAN IS HERE. 
          AND OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON IS LISTENING IN THE MAGIC INTERNET WORLD. 
          NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN 
          [II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
COMMENTS. 
          ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS, PARDON ME? WE DON'T HAVE COMMENTS. 
          THE VIDEO'S UP. 
          VIDEO'S UP. 
          HEY, WE ARE MOVING TO CITIZEN COMMENTS OR THE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          NEXT ITEM IS STAFF AND COUNCIL REPORTS. 
          [III. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]
UH, ROUTINE REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          ALL RIGHT, CAN Y'ALL ALL HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY, EXCELLENT. 
          SO, THE, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT TO REPORT. 
          THERE WAS A TRAINING SESSION LAST WEEK WITH LEGAL THAT WE ATTENDED AND THAT IT WAS BASICALLY GOING OVER THE ROLE ROLE OF, UH, BILLINGS AND STANDARDS PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, UH, OUR CHARTER VERSUS WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN OR, UM, IN OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES. 
          AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BY LEGAL, UM, THAT GOING FORWARD WITH THE UDC THAT WE'LL NEED TO REVIEW, UM, TO MAKE IT, MAKE SURE IT LINES UP WITH THE CHARTER AS WELL. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A UDC MEETING, UM, ON FRIDAY. 
          UH, I KNOW FRANK WILL BE ATTENDING, UM, AND I WILL BE ATTENDING. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'LL BE REMOTE AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT IF I, IF THEY'LL ALLOW ME TO JOIN REMOTELY. 
          UM, I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE TODAY, UH, EXPLAINING WHY I'M, WHY I'M OUT. 
          BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT ME TO PASS ON TO COUNSEL TO DISCUSS, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS AFTER TODAY'S MEETING, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THOSE TO ME OR POST 'EM ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. 
          NEXT ITEM IS, UH, REPORTS FROM THE CITY STAFF COMMISSIONERS. 
          AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE. 
          UM, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, I WAS OUT OF OFFICE, AND SO I STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP ON EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. 
          UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE TRUCKING FORWARD THROUGH THE UDC REORGANIZATION. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT TODAY. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY BUSINESS AS USUAL AROUND THESE PARTS. 
          SO NEXT 
          [IV. CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEM IS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS TWO SETS OF MINUTES. 
          IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THE CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          CORRECTION AHEAD. 
          ARE THERE ANY CORRECT, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          APPROVE. 
          APPROVE IT. 
          IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          MOTION IS SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THIS IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NEXT ITEM IS, 
          [V.1. Consider, discuss, and take action on recommendation of additional revisions to Chapter 3, adopting additional codes. ]
UH, ACTION ITEMS DISCUSS, CONSIDER TAKE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO CHAPTER THREE, ADOPTING ADDITIONAL CODES. 
          AND THIS IS LARGELY ADOPTING THE 2021 VERSIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE. 
          YOU HAVE A HANDOUT THAT'S HAS A RED LINE, AND THE BOTTOM OF THAT RED LINE HAS A PAGE NUMBER, WHICH IS CD 3.1. 
          JORDAN? YES. 
          SO, UM, ON CHAPTER THREE, UM, AS YOU GUYS MAY BE AWARE, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE CODES AND THE ADOPTION. 
          THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          UH, MR. WEST AT A PREVIOUS MEETING BROUGHT UP SOME ADDITIONAL CODES AND AN EMAIL WENT OUT REGARDING THOSE. 
          UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THESE CODES WERE AND HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT OR INTERFERE WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON. 
          AND SO ALL OF THAT'S PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          FRANK AND I HAVE REVIEWED THE RED LINES TOGETHER 
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AND HAD NO FURTHER THINGS TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY. 
          UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT IT'S THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE CODES, UM, THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS OR NOT. 
          UM, THIS IS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR TOMORROW, BUT THEY ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT IT AS A BOARD. 
          UM, AND THAT WHATEVER'S DISCUSSED HERE WILL BE RELAYED TO THEM BETWEEN MYSELF AND MS, UH, CHAVARRIA. 
          AND IF IT'S DENIAL, IT'S DENIAL AND THAT THAT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT ON THE BACK END. 
          UM, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          UM, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE WILDFIRE CODE AS MR. WEST IS. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO HELP. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IT PAGE BY PAGE. 
          SO WE'LL LOOK AT EACH RED LINE PAGE, AND THAT WOULD START ON PAGE CDE 3.5. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ISSUES, CHANGES, WE'LL GO THROUGH IT PAGE BY PAGE. 
          WHEN Y'ALL GET TO THREE, FIVE, WE'LL, JIM'S GOT STUFF SPREAD ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          WELL, I GOT THIS PACKAGE OFF OF THE DESK. 
          YES, SIR. 
          LOOKS LIKE IT'S BACKWARDS, BUT IT'S OH, . 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, I'M THERE. 
          YOU GOT, YOU GOT THREE, FIVE? I DO. 
          AT THE BOTTOM IT'S, UH, THREE.DOT. 
          AND THEN THE NUMBER. 
          OKAY, WE'RE ON PAGE THREE FIVE FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CHANGES. 
          BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, UNDER PURPOSE, THE WORD AESTHETICS WAS REMOVED. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          ACCORDING TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO HAS PROVIDED REALLY LONG LEGAL OPINION ABOUT THAT WORD. 
          THERE ARE SOME WORKAROUNDS, BUT WE CAN'T USE, WE CAN'T USE THE WORD AESTHETICS, A LOT OF OTHER DOCUMENTS. 
          BUT THE NEXT RED LINE IS THREE EIGHT. 
          NEXT PAGE IS THREE 12, WHICH IS THE BIGGIE THREE 13. 
          THESE ARE THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          I, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY REPORT, I APPRECIATE THE STATS WORK ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE CODE THAT'S BEING ADOPTED IN ORDER TO HAVE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          SO WE'LL SPEND IT MINUTE OR TWO ON THIS PAGE. 
          CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT PAGE 12? YOU CAN ASK A, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A FACT. 
          YOU CAN ASK A SLOW QUESTION TOO. 
          UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DATED 2023 IS THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE. 
          SO ALL THE REST OF THESE S HAVE BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2021. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED 20 21, 20 23. 
          NEC IS STATE LAW. 
          AND SO THE, UH, MASTER ELECTRICIANS CAN'T DO 
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ANYTHING LESS. 
          AND SO WE'LL STAY CURRENT WITH WHAT THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRES. 
          UH, BUT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED IT. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE THAT WAS PROVIDED AS WELL, THERE'S ONLY THREE CODES LISTED THAT WERE NOT ALREADY ADOPTED. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE EIGHT, NINE, AND 10. 
          SO THE SWIMMING CODE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT EIGHT, NINE, AND 10. 
          IT'S, UM, THE SWIMMING CODE, THE FIRE PROTECTION CODE, AND THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE THREE, EIGHT, AND 10. 
          WHO DID THE WORK ON THIS? PARDON ME? WHO DID THE WORK ON THIS? IT'S JUST USUALLY FOR THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, JIM CASON WOULD PICKED US APART BY NOW WITH EVERYTHING FROM, WELL, I, HE STILL, HE'S STILL LOOKING. 
          WE'RE JUST GOING GIVE HIM TIME. 
          NO, HE GIVE HIM TIME. 
          IT'S NOT OVER YET. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN A, A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN FRANK, MYSELF, AND OUR INSPECTORS. 
          UM, IT, YEAH, IT'S THESE GUYS. 
          NOT IF HE HATES IT. 
          JIM, YOU YOU, OKAY. 
          ARE YOU OKAY? THREE E 14, NOTHING. 
          THERE WAS A, SHOOT, I FORGOT WHICH SEC. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS IT? THREE I MISSED IT. 
          THREE. 
          IT'S ON THREE 13 OR WHERE IS THE PIECE ABOUT, UH, URBAN WILDLANDS. 
          UM, SO, UH, IT DEPENDS. 
          WE'VE LISTED IT FOR ADOPTION. 
          UM, AND WHAT, WHICH PAGE IT IS ON? UH, THREE 12. 
          IT IS NUMBER 10 ON THAT LIST. 
          AND THEN IF YOU REFER TO THE TABLES THAT WERE PROVIDED, IT'S THE LAST ONE ON THE SET OF TABLES IN BLUE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SAID URBAN WILDFIRE WAS ON THREE 12? UH, THAT'S WHERE IT'S LISTED FOR ADOPTION. 
          UM, BUT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CODE IS IN THE BLUE TABLES. 
          AND THEN, UM, NO, THE URBAN WILDLAND CODE IN THE, IN THE, UH, WE MAY, OH, SHOOT. 
          I'M SEEING THREE QUOTE. 
          OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THAT'S THE FIRE CODE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST BECAUSE WE, WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION, WHICH IS ON THE BLUE. 
          WELL, IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS HANDED OUT, NOT THE RED LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I READ THAT IT WAS, SAY MAY ADOPT, BUT THAT'S NOT HERE ON 13. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE THREE 13. 
          UM, H NUMBER ONE H THERE IS NO H ALMOST DEAD CENTER PAGE. 
          I DON'T SEE IT. 
          I STILL CAN'T FIND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          3, 3 13 WHAT? THREE 13 STOPS AT F DIFFERENT. 
          THIS I, SO I'M, I'M ON THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO I'M ON, I'M ON THE WRONG PACKAGE APPARENTLY. 
          WELL, NO, BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          NO, IT IS. 
          UM, WE MAY HAVE A, WE PROCESSING GLITCH. 
          H IT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          SAME THING. 
          IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THREE. 
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IT'S ON IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKET DOCUMENT, JORDAN. 
          IT'S ON PAGE 25. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH COMES AFTER LOCAL CRITERIA. 
          WHY IS, OKAY, HOLD ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA BACKTRACK THIS. 
          CONFLICT OF REGULATIONS, ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS, LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA, IT'S A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT'S NOT IN, YEAH, A SHEET IS MISSING BETWEEN 13 AND 14. 
          THERE'S A CHUNK OF TEXT THAT'S MISSING, WHICH WOULD BE THIS SECTION IN THE HANDOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DEAL WITH THIS. 
          AND I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE SORT THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINE COPY, PAGE THREE 13 OF LOCAL AMENDMENTS, AND THE NEXT THREE 14 IS AMENDMENTS ESSENTIALLY AMENDMENTS TO THE 21 PLUMBING CODE. 
          SO WHAT'S MISSING IS PAGE, JORDAN, HELP ME WITH THIS. 
          IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE GOT THE ORIGINAL, WHAT APPEARS TO BE MISSING IS, IS PAGE 25 OF THE BLACKLINE COPY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, NO, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S MISSING. 
          SO YOU'RE MISSING, HELP ME WITH THIS. 
          IF, IF Y'ALL, HAVE Y'ALL BEEN ABLE TO GET TO PAGE 25 OF THE THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE? THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE, YES. 
          WHICH WAS NOT A RED LINE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU HAVE LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA, WA LANE URBAN INTERFACE, EXISTING BUILDING MATERIALS AND METHODS, ENERGY CODE SAVING AND TRANSITION AUTHORITY, PRIOR ORDINANCES THAT ARE NOT IN THE RED LINE VERSION. 
          HELP ME IF THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE. 
          UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT PRINTED OUT, IT SKIPPED A SECTION AND I, THAT'S HAD CONCERNS WITH THE RED LINE VERSIONS OF THESE. 
          SO WHAT I JUST READ, THEY'RE ALL AMENDMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU GOTTA GO TO THE BLACK CLIENT VERSION TO SEE THE CHANGES, WHICH START WITH LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          SO I'M ON PAGE 25 OF THE BLACK CLIENT. 
          JIM, YOU WITH ME? TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL NEW. 
          SO YOU GOT ME QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT ONE FOR ME AND I'LL LET Y'ALL GO. 
          BUT THE BIGGIE FOR ME IS THIS ISSUE OF THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, WHICH SAYS MAY. 
          SO WHY IT SAID IT MAY, THIS SECTION, UM, IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LOCAL AMENDMENT, UM, TO THOSE ADOPTED CODES. 
          AND SO IT SHOULDN'T SAY MAY IN REGARDS TO ADOPTING THE CODES THEMSELF. 
          THE MAY IS TO THE SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE CHOOSE TO ADOPT THEM AS A CITY IN SECTION 3.106 A UNDER THAT LIST, THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE SHOULD BE LISTED ON THAT LIST AS WELL AS NUMBER 11. 
          IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE ON THE RED LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          I CHARLES, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT. 
          THAT'S A BIGGIE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ON PAGE THREE, 12 OF THE RED LINE AND 23 OF THE PACKET SHOULD INCLUDE  THAT, UH, 
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ICC CODE MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN, UM, SECTION H SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT'S SAYING MAY, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CHOOSE TO, UM, ADOPT THEM WITH THE MAIN, UM, ADOPTION OF THE CODE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE THAN JUST CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S FIRE PROTECTION VOLUMES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO NOW THAT THIS A BIGGIE, ONE CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS ADOPTED THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, AUSTIN, NATE JUST DID IT. 
          SO ARE, ARE WE INVOLVED IN THE PRECISION MAKING, WHETHER WE DO IT OR DON'T? YES. 
          YES. 
          WHERE DO WE GET A COPY OF IT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IT SAYS? SO, UM, A COPY OF IT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE TO VIEW, YOU CAN'T PRINT IT, YOU CAN'T EXPORT IT OR REDLINE IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YOU CAN, UM, LOOK AT THE STANDARDS THERE WITHIN, UM, IN THAT, IN THE PACKET, THOSE BLUE SPREADSHEETS DESCRIBES IT A LITTLE BIT AND SOME POTENTIAL CONCERNS, UM, OR PROS AND CONS, SO TO SAY. 
          UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE COST INCREASE ASSOCIATED WITH ADOPTING IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GETS ROLLED DOWN TO HOMEOWNERS. 
          AND TO BE FRANK, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY AT A PRICE POINT THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T EASILY AFFORD. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE PRINCIPLES FOR FIRE PROTECTION, WE FULLY SUPPORT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY INITIATIVES. 
          I JUST, THERE'S CERTAIN CAVEATS TO THAT THAT, UM, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO NOT CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM . 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          WHO, WHO IS IT THAT IS ASKING, OR HAS HE BROUGHT THIS TO THE TABLE? SO MR. WEST HAD MENTIONED IT AND SENT IT OUT IN AN EMAIL AS WELL. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          I'VE GLANCED THROUGH IT, UM, SPARINGLY. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING. 
          UM, BUT MR. WEST ISN'T ON THE PHONE CALL AND, AND KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN I DO. 
          SO, SO WHO IN, IN THIS CASE, IN JUST, EXCUSE ME. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, IT SOUNDS LIKE DECISIONS AND, AND WHAT ARE BEING DECIDED ON GETS PARAMETERS SET BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL, WHICH IS WHO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY, SD ONE, THEY ARE CONSIDERED OUR FIRE OFFICIAL. 
          AND SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE STANDARDS ARE. 
          WE WOULD SET THEM IN STONE AND PROBABLY REVISIT THEM YEARLY OR BI-ANNUALLY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, TO, TO UPDATE THEM AS AS NECESSARY. 
          AND IF WE DO THIS, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THE FIRE PROTECTION AND THE SAFETY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ARE, ARE THE HOMEOWNERS GETTING INSURANCE BREAKS? IS ESD GETTING ONE OR ANYTHING FROM THE STATE? IS THERE ANY OTHER MONETARY THINGS INVOLVED OTHER THAN JUST THE SAFETY PORTION OF IT AND THE FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE HOMEOWNERS? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. 
          UM, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE INSURANCE BREAKS JUST BECAUSE, UH, YOUR NEIGHBOR MAY NOT HAVE THE FIRE PROTECTION RATINGS. 
          UM, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT THE STATE PROBABLY GIVES FUNDING TO THOSE THAT ARE MORE, UM, PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS STUFF, ESPECIALLY GIVEN RECENT EVENTS. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DIRECT BILLS TIED TO ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS INITIATIVE SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND, UM, WE CAN DO MORE DIGGING. 
          I MEAN, OTHER STATES HAVE ADOPTED THEM MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          UM, SO IF THAT'S THE REQUEST TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN SPEAK ON SOME OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YOU, YOU DO, YOU DO GET A BETTER INSURANCE RATINGS AND IT ALSO HELPS THE OVERALL ISO RATING FOR OUR ESD, WHICH IS WHAT BASES A LOT OF YOUR BUILDING CODES ON OR YOUR FAR RATING INSURANCE RATINGS ON? UM, I AM HESITANT ON SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS 'CAUSE IT DOES ADD A LOT. 
          SOME OF IT CAN ADD SIGNIFICANT COST TO A STRUCTURE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, IS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT SAFER, ESPECIALLY IN THE WILDFIRE SITUATIONS AND STUFF. 
          IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE WILDFIRES, LIKE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY LOST THE PALISADES, YOU'LL SEE ONE IN TWO HOUSES THAT ACTUALLY SURVIVED THAT FIRE. 
          SAME THING IN HAWAII A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          THOSE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND HIGHER STANDARDS ARE THE HOUSES THAT SURVIVED THE FIRES. 
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CITY MAN. 
          CHARLES, I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CODE? SINCE I DON'T HAVE IT SITTING IN FRONT OF ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE PERTINENT FOR US TO PULL THIS ONE OUT, LET THE COMMITTEE DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH, GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION ON IT, AND BRING IT BACK AT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING AND THEN SEND IT TO COUNCIL THEN. 
          GREAT IDEA FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          MY NEXT QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHY DID WE FEEL THE NEED TO ADD IT IN HERE WITH A MA AND NOT JUST ADDRESS IT AS ITS OWN ISSUE? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, AND THEN PLUG IT IN LATER. 
          THAT'S, I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE PUTTING A, A MAY DECIDE TO, IT IS JUST CYA. 
          SO THE MAY IS FROM HESITATIONS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARD. 
          SO IT SAYS AT A FUTURE POINT IN TIME, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADOPT THEM. 
          IT'S A LOCAL AMENDMENT. 
          UH, WE CAN KEEP IT, WE CAN STRIKE IT, WE CAN ADOPT SOME, BUT NOT ALL. 
          UH, THAT'S WHERE THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION WOULD GO. 
          AND SO THE INTENT WAS TO ADOPT IT BUT NOT ADOPT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS UNTIL WE CAN THOROUGHLY VET THAT. 
          UM, IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP IT ENTIRELY OFF, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADOPT IT, BUT LEAVE THE MAY IN THERE ON THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS ARE WHERE THE PRICE IS OR THE COST. 
          SO, UM, THINGS TO CONSIDER. 
          THEY REQUIRE A CERTAIN FIRE RATING ON ANY AND ALL WOULD USE. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE PRESSURE TREATED, FIRE RATED, ALL OF THAT, THAT'S GONNA SKYROCKET COST. 
          UM, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FIRE COCKED AND SEALED. 
          UM, VENTS HAVE TO BE FIRE RESISTANT. 
          UM, AND IT EVEN GOES SO FAR AS SOME OF YOUR YARD LINES HAVE TO BE BURIED DEEPER OR, UM, PROTECTED AND NOT JUST STANDARD PVC. 
          THERE HAS TO BE SOME FIRE RATING THERE. 
          AND SO, UM, IT, IT MAY BE LITTLE STUFF, BUT YES, IT, IT CONTINUES TO ADD UP. 
          IT. 
          SO CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US A WEBSITE SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME THING? WE WILL ABSOLUTELY SEND A LINK TO THE WEBSITE. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT OR, YOU KNOW, GET WORD DOCUMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT EVERYBODY WILL SEE THE SAME THING. 
          UM, AND IF THERE'S SPECIFIC, UM, AREAS OR ISSUES, WE HAVE A LICENSE THAT WE CAN PULL THAT SPECIFIC AREA. 
          UM, BUT UNDER LICENSING REGULATIONS, WE CAN'T GIVE OUT THE ACCESS TO IT THAT WE HAVE. 
          LET ME, LET ME FOLLOW UP ON JIM'S POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE YOU FOUND A WAY TO GET TO THESE CODES. 
          I CAN, I CAN, YOU CAN GET IT, YOU CAN READ IT MM-HMM . 
          BUT YOU CAN'T LEGALLY TAKE SCREENSHOTS . 
          NO, NO. 
          I CAN, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL IT UP. 
          IT CAN BE PULLED UP. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO SHARE IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A LICENSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN'T LEGALLY YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WON'T, IT WON'T LET YOU SHARE IT OR PRINT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          LEGALLY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO THE ISSUE FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN IT, YOU CAN READ IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MY THOUGHT IS TO GO BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER'S ORIGINALS, THOUGHT IS THAT WE DEFER THE WHOLE THING UNTIL WE CAN GET SOMETHING FROM THE STAFF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, WE, YOU CAN READ IT AND I HAVE, AND I'VE READ IT BEFORE. 
          A BUNCH OF THIS STUFF IS OVER MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT CODE. 
          SO COULD WE, COULD, COULD WE GET A, I MEAN WE CAN READ IT, WE CAN READ IT ONLINE, BUT CAN WE GET A REPORT FROM THE STAFF ABOUT HERE'S WHAT COSTS OR OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THAT? I DON'T THINK WE COULD FEASIBLY PROJECT 
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COST. 
          UM, AND REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, WE CAN ASK A THIRD PARTY TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE ESTIMATES. 
          UM, AND THAT I DON'T, YEAH. 
          AS MOST OF Y ALLALL KNOW, LOGO VISTA IS, UH, NATIONALLY KNOWN AS ONE OF THE, UH, REALLY WILDFIRE PRONE PLACES IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS US TO GO THERE, AS CHARLES IS INDICATED. 
          YEAH, SIR. 
          SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE THIS THROUGH. 
          SO CITY COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON IT TOMORROW. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          WHENEVER WHAT, WHENEVER THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT IT MOVES FORWARD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE QUESTION WAS POSED AT COUNSEL. 
          UM, BASICALLY HOW FAST CAN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WHEN CAN STAFF REPORT BACK? AND SO THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS CHOSEN, BUT IT WAS MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT TODAY IF YOU GUYS SAY NO, OR THIS IS MOVING TOO FAR, TOO FAST OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, COUNSEL WILL RECEIVE THE SAME REPORT AND ESSENTIALLY TABLE IT FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 
          I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BEING EXPECTED TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE. 
          THAT'S, THAT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER. 
          NO. 
          IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT SAYS THEY MAY ADOPT IT LATER. 
          SO IF THEY DECIDE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, IT WILL COME BACK TO US AND THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT AT THAT TIME. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED, CAN WE INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE MADE IN THIS, THIS TIME? SO THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS THAT WE ADOPT THE URBAN INTERFACE CODE TO, WELL, IN THEORY TODAY FOR COUNCIL TOMORROW. 
          UH, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE CONSTRUCTION CODE SPECIFICALLY, THE MAY, IS IN THERE TO SAY WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN DEPTH AT A FUTURE DATE. 
          WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THIS LOCAL AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE WHATEVER THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS MAY BE THAT WE AGREE WITH. 
          UM, AND THAT WILL COME THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS. 
          BUT THE INTENT, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, PLUS A MOTION TO ADD THE WILDLIFE INTERFACE CODE INTO THIS, UM, THE INTENT IS TO ADOPT AS A FULL PACKAGE FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT IN THEORY TOMORROW IF, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, BUT THAT MAY WILL STAY IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR US TO FIGURE OUT. 
          THEY'RE NOT ADOPTING. 
          IT'S GOING THROUGH. 
          THEY'RE ADOPTING. 
          THEY MAY. 
          SO WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          LET ME, THIS ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA FOR TOMORROW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE, AND MS. CHAVARRIA, IF I'M OVERSTEPPING, PLEASE, UH, CHECK ME. 
          BUT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS CHAPTER THREE THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING TO GET DONE. 
          THE PERMIT EXPIRATIONS ARE A BIG ONE. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THE REQUEST WAS HOW FAST CAN WE GET THIS? HOW FAST CAN WE GET THIS SITUATED? UM, WHERE EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, AND SO IF WE STRIKE ALL OF THESE NEW CODES, THAT'S OKAY. 
          IF WE'RE STILL GONNA PUSH THE PERMIT EXTENSIONS THROUGH, BUT THE PLANTS OR THE, THE CODES WERE BROUGHT UP CONSISTENTLY. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN FIND SOME KIND OF HAPPY MEDIUM, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, OR IF IT'S GREAT, IT'S GREAT. 
          UM, AND MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          IT'S THE INTENT TO, TO CLOSE THIS UP AND, AND PACKAGE IT UP AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THE PERMIT EXPIRATION STUFF IS LISTED AS A RED LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED AND HAD GONE TO COUNCIL. 
          AND COUNCIL WANTS TO ADOPT IT. 
          BUT THEN QUESTIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CAME UP AS WELL. 
          AND SO THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH CHAPTER THREE. 
          WE GOT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE RESOLVED, BUT THE PERMIT EXTENSIONS DID NOT GET RESOLVED. 
          AND THEN THESE, UM, ADDITIONAL CODES GOT BROUGHT UP. 
          AND SO NOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING STILL WITH THE INTENT TO MOVE ALL OF THE REVISIONS TO CHAPTER THREE THROUGH WHEN EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE TO DO SO. 
          I THINK THERE'S, SO IT'S SO FAR WHEN WE'RE NOT THROUGH WITH THE SECTION, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE WHILE IN URBAN INTERFACE, TWO OPTIONS PULL THAT OUT, COMES BACK TO BSC WITH A BUNCH OF INFORMATION. 
          TWO, APPROVE IT WITH THE AMENDMENT TO ADOPTION OF CODES BY ADDING THE WILDLY FON INTERFACE CODE. 
          AND IT'S WRITTEN ON PAGE 25, 
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THE MAY, WHICH IS THE COSTS COME BACK LATER. 
          YOU WITH ME ON THAT, JIM? YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM THAT THIS. 
          SO IF WE SEND THIS TO COUNCIL, THEY'RE, THEY CAN VOTE TO ADOPT THE WILDFIRE OR THE WILDFIRE? THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TEETH BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T SET THE PARAMETERS, THE MAY PART. 
          NO. 
          SO ADOPTING THE, THE WILDLIFE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, UM, ADOPTING THAT ALL OF THE STANDARDS ARE IN PLACE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          AND SO IT'S BRUSH CONTROL, IT'S FIRE PRESSURE IN CERTAIN AREAS, IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL OF THAT IS ENFORCEABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS FROM THE MAY INCLUDE AND SET IT, SET IT OUT FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW? WE ARE NOT ENFORCING THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. 
          WE MAY ADOPT THEM AT A FUTURE MEETING. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          CONSENSUS ON, YEAH. 
          YOU WANNA GO WITH THE FIX THE ADD, ADD IT TO THE LIST AND GO WITH THE MAY? IS THERE A CONSENSUS? I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IN THIS, IN THIS PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS MAY, DO WE NEED TO, NO, I GUESS IT CAN STAY HERE. 
          NO. 
          MR. GR THERE'S A LOT OF MAS IN THERE. 
          . 
          A WHOLE BUNCH OF MAS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THAT PARAGRAPH. 
          SHOOT. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, YOU'RE ON THE BLACK LINE. 
          UH, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA DESIGN CRITERIA TABLE A LOT WHEN AND EXPOSURE. 
          IT'S ON THE SAME TABLE. 
           13. 
          THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE WILDLIFE URBAN. 
          UH, THOSE, THOSE WERE TWO MAS, BUT I SAW SOME OTHERS TOO. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE THE MAY AND THE, THE SIGNED CRITERIA, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE MAY AND URBAN OR THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, THAT'S TWO. 
          OH, WE'RE ON 12 LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND AGAIN, ALL OF THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE PROPOSED LOCAL AMENDMENTS THAT GO IN WITH THESE UPDATES. 
          COUNCIL STILL HAS TO ADOPT THEM. 
          AND SO WHETHER WE STRIKE MAY WHEN THEY ADOPT, WHEN THEY ADOPT THOSE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, THAT MAY GOES AWAY 'CAUSE IT'S ADOPTED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS REGARDING THE WILDLIFE INTERFACE, WHENEVER ALL THESE PARAMETERS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND THE FIRE MARSHAL OR THE FIRE MM-HMM . 
          CODE OFFICIAL AND OUR CITY MANAGER, THEY GO THROUGH IT AND THEY DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT. 
          AND WE WILL ALL SEE THAT AGAIN BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS WORDING TO THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO GET TO LOOK AT NO, WELL, SO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, SAY THAT ANYTHING INVOLVING CERTAIN CHAPTERS MAY COME TO Y'ALL. 
          I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD SEND IT BACK AS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE 47, WE HAVE TAKEN, UM, WHAT WAS EXISTING IN OUR CODE AS LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND PUT THEM IN A CONSOLIDATED SHEET, UM, AS WELL AS A TABLE THAT SAYS LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA THAT IS BASED OFF OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE LOCAL AMENDMENTS ARE IN THIS PACKET AS WELL TO DISCUSS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE CHANGED ANYTHING. 
          I THINK, UM, AT MOST WE'VE ADDED THE WILDLIFE URBAN INTERFACE, UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA WAS NOT ADOPTED AS A LOCAL AMENDMENT. 
          UM, IT WAS VAGUELY REFERENCED, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, SO LIKE OUR ULTIMATE WIND SPEED TO DESIGN TO, I THINK IT WAS VAGUELY REFERENCED, BUT WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY OUR WIND SPEED IS X. 
          AND SO THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE TABLE IN THE BACK. 
          UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MAJOR AMENDMENTS OR, UM, ANYTHING 
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CRAZY. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME, LET ME POINT OUT SOME, WHAT I CONSIDER SOME, A HUGE UPGRADE FROM THE STAFF, WHICH THE STAFF HAS JUST POINTED, WHICH IT STARTS ON PAGE 47. 
          THEY'VE SUMMARIZED THE CHANGES. 
          DID I THAT'S YOUR POINT. 
          THAT'S OH YEAH. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE AND LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO ADOPTED CONSTRUCTION CODES. 
          WELL, SO, UM, MR. WEST HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE DON'T CODIFY LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO WHICH I AGREE TO. 
          WE SHOULD NEVER CODIFY THINGS THAT CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH A MANUAL OR A DESIGN STANDARD BOOK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, CODIFYING THINGS IS A PAIN TO BE FRANK. 
          UM, AND SO THE EXHIBIT ATTACHED AS LOCAL AMENDMENTS WOULD REPLACE THE LIST OF LOCAL AMENDMENTS WITHIN OUR CODE WITH THAT DESIGN CRITERIA IN THERE. 
          UM, IT, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GONE PAST ME, UH, AT THE I'M SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          UM, I'M ST I'M DAVE, I'M STUCK. 
          WELL ON YOUR POINT, THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND JIM'S POINT ON A MAY AND I'M ON PAGE 25 OF THE BLACK LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          JIM'S POINT, LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA SAYS BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE TO NO. 
          SO THAT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT THE, UM, DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          THE DESIGN CRITERIA IS INCLUDED AS A SEPARATE EXHIBIT TO BE REFERENCED AS A SUPPLEMENT TO THE CODE. 
          IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. 
          UM, HOLD ON, BEAR WITH ME. 
          PARDON ME. 
          WHERE IN THE BLACKLINE DOCUMENTS ARE THOSE IS THE LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA? IT'S PULLED OUT. 
          SO THAT WAS MR. WEST HAD RECOMMENDED IT AND I, UH, SECONDED IT AS WELL. 
          THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE CODIFIED OR THAT MAY CHANGE, SHOULD NOT BE CODIFIED. 
          IT SHOULD BE REFERENCED. 
          AND SO WE'VE PULLED OUT THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS AS AN EXHIBIT, WHICH INCLUDES THAT DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          AND NOW IF WE CHANGE THE DESIGN CRITERIA, WE DON'T HAVE TO RE CODIFY THE CODE ITSELF. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT REDLINING THIS, IT'S REDLINING, UM, A MANUAL, SO TO SAY THAT'S OFF TO THE SIDE. 
          SO THIS IS STUFF THAT THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL WILL NEVER SEE. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT, IT SAYS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY, IF THE INTENT IS TO CHANGE THAT FROM BUILDING OFFICIAL, UM, ANY, SO THE WAY THAT THE POLICY MANUAL IS ESTABLISHED, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW AT COUNCIL AS WELL, SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES CANNOT BE DONE AT A STAFF LEVEL. 
          AND SO ANY REVISIONS TO THOSE MANUALS THAT CHANGE INTENT, THAT CHANGE CODE, THAT CHANGE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS. 
          YOU SEE WHERE I'M HEADED? IT'S THE SAME PLACE YOU WERE HEADED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, MY POINT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS TOMORROW NIGHT. 
          THIS HAS GOTTEN INTERESTING. 
          NOW, THANKS. 
          JIM SAYS, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH THE DESIGN CRITERIA TABLE. 
          WHO WILL SEE THAT IF THIS ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, THAT'S WRITTEN. 
          WHO WILL SEE THE DESIGN CRITERIA? I IT'S IN THE PACKET WITH THE REVISIONS. 
          SO I'M NOT WHERE, WHERE IN THE PACKET 47 AS A SEPARATE EXHIBIT IN THIS CASE. 
          IT'S NOT SAYING HE MAY CHANGE, NO CHANGING. 
          IT'S JUST SAYING THAT HE MAY MAINTAIN IT AND PUBLISH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, BUT SHE, WHERE IT'S ON PAGE 47, MR. ROBBINS OF THE BLACK AND WHITE PACKET, OR NOT THE BLACK AND WHITE PACKET. 
          THE, THE PACKET ITSELF, IT SAYS ADMINISTRATIVE AND LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO ADOPTED CONSTRUCTION CODES. 
          I AM LOOKING AT PAGE 47 OF THE BLACK LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAS BLUE HEADERS, UM, AND BULLET POINTS. 
          YEAH. 
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AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY HAS WITH THOSE, THAT ADDED CODE OF THE WILDLIFE STUFF THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          AM I, I'M, IF I CAN'T FIND IT, IF Y'ALL HAVE FOUND IT, HELP ME. 
          47. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO YOU GOT ON 47. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          UNDER 47. 
          IT SAYS ADMINISTRATIVE AND LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO ADOPTED CONSTRUCTION CODES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WHERE ARE THE DESIGN, THE LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA? IT STARTS ON PAGE 50. 
          IT SAYS SECTION 11, LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          AND IT'S LISTED AS A TABLE WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE BASED OFF OF OUR LOCATION ON THE ICC MAP. 
          AND WE'VE PUT IT IN THIS NICE CLEAN TABLE, UM, AS A LIST SO THAT IT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE. 
          AND THAT THESE ARE OFF OF, UM, OFF THE MAP ON ICC. 
          WHEREVER YOU FALL WITHIN CERTAIN ZONES IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          I'M TRACK. 
          I GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JIM GIVING, THAT'S NOT GIVING THE BILLING OFFICIAL PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH THOSE CODES THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT LISTED. 
          SO THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING HIM A HEAVY HAND TO JUST CHANGE WHAT HE WANTS. 
          WELL, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT, BUT WE CAN, FOR ME, , THANKS. 
          AT LEAST I CAN SEE WHAT THE SIGNED CRITERIA. 
          SO YOU HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH A DESIGN CRITERIA TABLE IN OUR PACKET THAT'S ON PAGE 50. 
          WHY IS IT MAY, HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES? WHY DOES IT SAY MAY AND NOT SHALL OR WILL, OR HAS, OR HAS? THANK YOU. 
          I I THINK HE'S JUST QUESTIONING THE, THE VERBIAGE. 
          WHY ARE WE DECIDING TO SAY MAY? I DON'T THINK THAT IT NECESSARILY MAKES, UM, ANY DIFFERENCE PER SE. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY ADAMANT ON THE MAY VERSUS SHALL ISSUES. 
          AND SO MAY IS A SAFE BET. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL'S GONNA DO IT. 
          THERE'S OTHER PARTS IN OUR CODE WHERE THE CITY MANAGER, UM, HAS TO APPOINT A BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, HAS A DESIGNEE. 
          AND SO IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A DEAL BREAKER TO CHANGE IT TO MUST OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING BACK TO JORDAN. 
          PARDON ME? YOUR POINT. 
          I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAY. 
          I THINK YOU WELL, THE MAY, THE MAY IS NOBODY WILL SEE IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN EXCEPT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. 
          I DON'T WHAT YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, MR. PARDON ME? I DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY CAN CHANGE IT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I'LL JUST, MR. CHAIRMAN ALL JUST THING IS THEY MAY PUBLISH IT AND MAINTAIN IT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE MAY JUST GIVES THEM AN OUT IN CASE THEY WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT, OR THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND NEXT YEAR AND NOT PUBLISH IT. 
          BUT THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE RULES. 
          BUT THAT MEANS WE WILL NOT SEE IT. 
          WE SHOULDN'T NEED TO SEE HIM PUBLISHING A LIST BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE LIST. 
          HE, YOU, YOU HAVE NOT, BUT, BUT THE LIST IS BASED ON FEDERAL, YOU SAY FEDERAL STANDARDS. 
          UM, SO FEDERAL, STATE STANDARDS, ALL OF THE CODES ARE BASED ON A MAP. 
          AND SO IT SAYS, IF YOU'RE IN THIS REGION, IT, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. 
          LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE WHO, WHO IS GOING TO PROVE IN THIS CASE, AND CHI THINKS TO MAKE THE ANSWER IS TO STAFF. 
          NO, NO. 
          CORRECT. 
          I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. 
          THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY MAINTAIN MM-HMM . 
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YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT CALLED ADMINISTRATIVE AND LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT CONNECTS TO A DRAFT ORDINANCE. 
          NUMBER ONE. 
          YOU WITH ME? BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT, HERE'S WHAT THE STAFF IS SUGGESTING. 
          THOSE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, IN THIS CASE, DESIGN CRITERIA WOULD BE, WE ARE NOT APPROVING THOSE. 
          AND IN THE FUTURE, THE STAFF COULD CHANGE THEM. 
          AND NO, AND IT'S ONLY STAFF THAT IT'S, IT WHEN IT SAYS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY THAT DOESN'T COME TO MY POINT, IS NOBODY ELSE WILL SEE IT. 
          THAT THAT'S EITHER A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING OR, BUT A DIFFERENT THING. 
          , I'VE, I'VE NOT EVER SEEN THIS DONE THIS WAY BEFORE. 
          I'VE, I'VE ALWAYS SEEN LOCAL AMENDMENTS BEING ADOPTED WITH AN ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. 
          JORDAN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES, SIR. 
          ON PAGE 50 AND 51, THE LOCAL DESIGN, UH, CRITERIA TABLE ARE THESE, IS THIS INFORMATION BEING GATHERED FROM ANOTHER SOURCE? YOU SAID IT WOULD LIKE, THERE'S MAPS AND TABLES THAT SAYS IF, IF YOU HAVE AN ELEVATION OF X, Y THEN YOU HAVE TO, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND IF YOUR TEMPERATURE IS 26 DEGREES, THEN YOUR DEPTH HAS TO BE SIX INCHES. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE CAN'T FIB IT. 
          WE'RE WE'RE DECIDING ON OURSELVES. 
          IT'S TABLES. 
          IT'S THAT YOU'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM MM-HMM . 
          AND IF I MAY, AND I'M NOT SURE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUBLISHED PACKET AND THE RED LINES, BUT IF YOU'LL NOTE ON THREE 13 OF THE RED LINE COPY, IT SAYS IN SECTION C, LOCAL AMENDMENTS, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO CODES IDENTIFIED HERE HEREIN BY ORDINANCE AND AUTHORIZED BY APPLICABLE LAWS. 
          UM, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, LOCAL AMENDMENTS SHALL BE MAINTAINED AS SEPARATE EXHIBITS AND SHALL HAVE THE SAME FORCE AND EFFECT AS FULLY SET FORTH. 
          HERE THIS EXHIBIT IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE PUT IT AND THAT WILL DISCUSS IT, COUNSEL. 
          UM, BUT IN ORDER TO CHANGE IT, IT HAS TO COME BACK. 
          THERE'S NEVER AN INTENT THAT STAFF IS THE ONE MAKING THESE AMENDMENT AMENDMENTS UNILATERALLY. 
          AND MAINTAINING THE LIST IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, THAT WE'RE USING IT. 
          WHEN WE DO PLAN REVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO CHANGE IT. 
          AND SO IF IT'S A VERBIAGE CHANGE IN THAT SECTION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THAT CHANGE. 
          UM, TO BE FRANK, LOCAL AMENDMENTS ARE A PAIN AND NONE OF US WANNA DEAL WITH IT ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO. 
          UM, AND SO THE INTENT IS WHEN WE DO A NEW REVIEW CYCLE, WE ADOPT LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT UNTIL WE ADOPT A NEW CODE YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICAL. 
          UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I'VE ALWAYS SEEN THINGS DONE. 
          UM, IF THERE'S A CHANGE PROPOSED, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS AND BRING IT FORWARD AT COUNCIL TOMORROW. 
          UM, BUT THE INTENT IS NEVER THAT STAFF HAS UNILATERAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY DETERMINATIONS, UM, ON THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          MOST OF THE STUFF RIGHT. 
          LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU LOOK UP SOMEWHERE AND YOU JUST PLUG IT IN AND, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE FIGURES PLUGGED IN TO CRITERIA TABLE FOR THESE OTHER, OTHER RULES TO WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY HAVE TO GO OUT SOMEWHERE AND GET 'EM BASED RIGHT ON YOUR LOCATION AND MAP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T SEE , I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL. 
          I I DON'T WHICH BIG DEAL? THE, THE FACT THAT THEY MAY DO THIS WITHOUT, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THINKING IT'S, IS IT RIGHT THAT THEY CAN DO THIS WITHOUT COMING THROUGH BUILDING AND STANDARDS? I DON'T YET WHAT'S, WHAT'S REPORTED. 
          AND I THINK WHAT JORDAN REPORTED IS THAT THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS MIGHT COME BACK TO BUILDING AND STANDARDS. 
          THE WAY IT WRITTEN SAYS, SAYS WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DOESN'T SAY. 
          CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T SAY BSC, IT 
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JUST SAYS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAINTAINS THEM. 
          THERE'S NO AUTHORITY GIVEN IN THAT TO MAKE CHANGES, TO MAKE EDITS. 
          IT SAYS WE SHALL MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH WHEN APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT USED TO THIS PROCESS AND I, I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DOING. 
          TYPICALLY WHEN, AND JORDAN MAY HAVE AN UNDERTAKE, AND SO CHARLES MAY HAVE ONE. 
          TYPICALLY, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ADOPT THE LATEST ICC, THE STAFF PROVIDES TO THE DECISION MAKERS AND THE RECOMMENDER, WHAT THE ICC SAYS, THE CHANGES ARE AND PROPOSES AN ORDINANCE THAT AMENDS THOSE ICC CODES. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. 
          TO SOME DEGREE WE HAVE THAT, BUT THERE'S, THE ISSUE IS FOR ME, AND IT'S, I'M STILL UNCLEAR MM-HMM . 
          BASED ON WHAT'S WRITTEN. 
          AND THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS, AS JORDAN POINTED OUT, SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CODES JUST AS, UH, MS. SHE HAS HER HAND RAISED WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE READY. 
          NO, AMANDA. 
          SHOOT. 
          WELL, MY HAND HAS ACTUALLY BEEN RAISED FOR, UM, UM, A, A, A BIT, BUT, UM, MY ORIGINAL, UM, HANDS UP WAS IN REGARDS TO THE, I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY, UH, PUSHING IT BACK AND, WHICH IS FINE, BUT, UM, THE REASON IT KIND OF POPPED UP NOW, UM, AND, UH, IF Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S MORE THAN WELCOME. 
          MORE THAN WELCOME. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING INTO FIRE SEASON, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, OUT OUTPOURING OF, UH, CONCERN THAT WE REC THAT CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED ABOUT, UM, WILDFIRE MITIGATION, UM, ESPECIALLY ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE INABILITY TO, UM, ENFORCE CERTAIN CODES. 
          UM, UM, ESPECIALLY OVER IN THE TERA DEVELOPMENT WITH CEDAR MULCH PILES, UH, DOWN TREES AFTER LAST YEAR'S FLOODS. 
          UM, SO NOT SO MUCH, UH, CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, WHICH WE KNEW, UM, WERE GONNA HAVE TO BE PULLED BACK, UH, BECAUSE OF COSTS, UH, CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO REALLY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          BUT IT WAS MORE ABOUT, UM, BUT, BUT BY JUST MORE, MORE ABOUT, UH, FOCUSING ON, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, CODES THAT WE COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY ENFORCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE PUSHING THIS WILDLIFE AND URBAN, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERNATIONAL CODE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY WITH IT. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT THERE IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS WILL PULL BACK ON THAT. 
          I KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE QUITE A BIT OF READING, UM, BECAUSE I, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT I'VE PULLED, IT CAN INCREASE COST ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO $20 PER SQUARE FOOT NORMALLY FOR A HOME TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, TERRAIN AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          BY THE WAY, CAN WE HEAR, ARE WE GETTING RECORDED? IF THERE DON'T PUNCH. 
          Y'ALL ARE ALL BEING REC RECORD. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE YOU, JIM, IS YOUR, YOUR LIGHT ON? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WASN'T, I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT, OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY I THOUGHT MY, MY ISSUE, MY ISSUE IS TACTICALLY NOT WHAT, WHICH IS THE LIST OF, IN THIS CASE DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          THAT'S THE ONE I'M STUCK ON. 
          THE LIST OF DESIGN CRITERIA I HAVEN'T REVIEWED. 
          NOW I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          MY ISSUE IS BASED ON WHAT WE RECOMMENDED TO COUNSEL WHO CAN CHANGE THAT OR HAVE IT OR CREATE IT. 
          AND THE ANSWER IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. 
          THAT'S ALL, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT IS OKAY THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE SAID THE GROUND SNOW, SNOW LOAD FOR LAGO VISTA 
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ON SOME TABLE SOMEWHERE, THEY FIGURED OUT WHAT OUR ZONE IS AND WE ARE ZERO. 
          THEY DIDN'T, THEY CAN'T CHANGE IT. 
          THEY CAN'T DECIDE. 
          WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT A NEGATIVE FOUR. 
          IT'S IT'S FOUND ON A TABLE. 
          SO THEY GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THEY FIND IT ON A TABLE. 
          NOBODY CAN CHANGE THESE UNTIL, YEAH. 
          THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T. 
          PARDON ME. 
          LET ME, LET ME, LET ME STICK WITH YOU. 
          IT'S THE WHO, NOT THE WHAT, BUT THE ANSWER IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN CREATE AND MAINTAIN THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. 
          NO, SIR. 
          NO, IT SAYS MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH DOES MEANS HE'S, HE'S THE KEEPER OF IT DOES MAY CHANGE OR NEED ADOPT ALL. 
          IT SAYS. 
          HE MAY MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH. 
          IF IT SAID THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY AMEND OR CHANGE OR ADOPT, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE A CONCERN. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, ALL IT SAYS, HE MAY MAINTAIN AND PUBLISH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS AGREED TO. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          MR. WEST. 
          SO WHO, WHO CAN, WHO GIVEN, GIVEN THE LANGUAGE ON PAGE 25, WHOEVER'S BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND, AND WHAT'S ON PAGE THREE 13 OF THE RED LINE, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ADOPT LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          YOUR POINT IS, YOUR POINT WOULD BE, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ADOPTS THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL JUST MAINTAINS THEM AND PUBLISHES THEM. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THE POINT? YES, THAT IS THE POINT. 
          ONLY CITY COUNCIL CAN ADOPT OR CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          AND THE POINT I I WAS TRYING TO, TO MAKE IS THAT THE, THE LIST OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MR. WEST OR THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED ON THEIR OWN. 
          THEY WERE GONNA USE THESE NUMBERS. 
          THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO FIND THESE NUMBERS IN A TABLE AND PUBLISH THEM SO PEOPLE CAN FIND THEM. 
          SO THAT IF I, IF I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, I DON'T HAVE TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE SNOW LOAD IN LAGO VISTA. 
          I CAN COME TO THIS LIST AND GO, OKAY, IT'S A SNOW LOAD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SNOW LOAD. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, NOBODY'S GONNA COME AND CHANGE THESE UNTIL SOMEONE ABOVE THIS, ALL OF THESE OF ALL OF US CHANGES THAT TABLE. 
          I, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A CONSENSUS THAT SAYS WRITTEN. 
          IT'S OKAY GIVEN THE TWO SECTIONS. 
          MY POINT IS FROM MY PER AND I'M WAY OUT OF DATE, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS WOULD'VE BEEN PART OF THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE. 
          THIS IS DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY IF I MAY, MR. ROBS, IT IS A PART OF THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE, BUT WE'RE NOT LISTING IT IN OUR CODE WHEN AND IF THERE IS A CHANGE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CODIFIED. 
          AND SO COUNCIL'S MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, EVEN AS STAFF, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING TO GET AWAY FROM CODIFYING THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE CODIFIED. 
          IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGULAR UPDATES, LIKE THIS PERMIT EXTENSION ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING, UM, AROUND, ABOUT IF THAT'S IN A MANUAL OR IF THAT'S IN LOCAL AMENDMENTS REFERENCED AS AN EXHIBIT, WE DON'T HAVE TO CODIFY THOSE CHANGES. 
          WE CAN VOTE AND, AND BE DONE AND THAT THAT'S ALL THERE IS. 
          AND THEN WE JUST PUBLISH A NEW MANUAL OR A NEW EXHIBIT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE GET THROUGH THE UDC THINGS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES MANUAL. 
          IT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF THAT WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF THE CODE AND REFERENCED AS A MANUAL. 
          WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING AS WELL. 
          HEAVY ENGINEERING STANDARDS DON'T NEED TO BE IN OUR CODE CODIFIED. 
          AND SO THIS IS THAT FIRST STEP TO STARTING TO PULL THINGS OUT WHERE THEY APPROPRIATELY SHOULD BE AS REFERENCED EXHIBITS INSTEAD OF FULL TEXT. 
          AND IF, IF I CAN JUMP IN. 
          SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THAT MM-HMM . 
          FOR US MORE SIMPLE FOLKS IS WE MAKE A BROAD STATEMENT AND SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS TABLE OVER HERE. 
          THE STATEMENT CAN REMAIN MM-HMM . 
          IF THE TABLE HAS TO CHANGE BECAUSE THE RULES HAVE CHANGED, THEN WE CAN CHANGE THE TABLE. 
          THE SENTENCE OVER HERE STILL IS IN EFFECT MM-HMM . 
          AND THE TABLE IS STILL THE TABLE, IT'S STILL IN THE SAME LOCATION. 
          IT'S STILL PROVIDING THE SAME INFORMATION. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND SO BOTH ARE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTION. 
          IT'S JUST THE AMENDMENTS ARE REFERENCED AS AN EXHIBIT OFF TO THE SIDE AND NOT CODIFIED IN OUR ACTUAL CODE. 
          WHERE CAN ONE FIND THOSE? IF THEY'RE NOT IN MOONY CODE? WE HAVE TO PUBLISH IT ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. 
          THE CITY SECRETARY HAS TO HAVE A COPY OF IT. 
          STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE DO THESE THINGS JUST LIKE WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP A COPY OF 
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CODE BOOKS ON HAND 24 7 FOR THE PUBLIC TO READ. 
          UM, THIS GOES INTO THAT CODE BOOK AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M PROPOSING THAT WE INCLUDE THIS AS AN EXHIBIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES MANUAL. 
          IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO TAKE IT OUT AND HAVE A STANDALONE THING, THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL END UP, BUT WE DO HAVE TO KEEP IT ON RECORD PUBLICLY FOR ANYBODY TO VIEW AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 
          SO I'M DOING DUE DILIGENCE. 
          HOW DO I FIND OUT WHAT OUR LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA IS? UH, WELL, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CALL ANYBODY IN THEORY AT THE CITY, BUT ESPECIALLY IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE DO YOU MEAN WHAT'S IN THIS? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT? DO YOU MEAN WHAT'S IN THIS OR WHAT'S IN I'M DOING DUE DILIGENCE. 
          IT'S IN ICC AND IRC. 
          AND IC NO, UH, YOU KNOW WHY I'M, YOU'VE DONE SOME DUE DILIGENCE. 
           WITH THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS IN YOUR PACKAGE. 
          IF I'M DOING DUE D IN DUE DILIGENCE IS I'M A DEVELOPER LOOKING TO COME TO CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. 
          WHERE DO I FIND THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING CODES? SO, UM, THE, IF THEY'RE NOT CODIFIED WELL, SO THERE WILL BE LINKS IN OUR CODIFIED DOCUMENT. 
          THERE WILL BE PUBLICATIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WEBSITE. 
          UM, MGO WILL HAVE A COPY OF THEM PUBLISHED AS WELL. 
          SO WHEN YOU PULL, WHO IS MGO? OUR PERMITTING SOFTWARE. 
          SO WHEN YOU GO TO PULL PERMIT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE LINK THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT BEFORE YOU SUBMIT. 
          UM, WE'LL KEEP COPIES ON HAND, UM, AT A STAFF LEVEL, READY AND AVAILABLE WITH OUR BUILDING CODES. 
          UM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLICATION. 
          MR. CHAIR GOT TWO PEOPLE UP THERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WILL BE, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER A MANUAL, WHICH IS PART OF SOME OF THIS THAT HAS ALL OF OUR CRITERIA. 
          THAT'S FOR OUR AREA. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS INSTEAD OF CODIFYING EVERYTHING, BECAUSE IF WE CODIFY IT, ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS, ANYTIME AN AMENDMENT HAS CHANGED, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE CODIFY EVERYTHING. 
          AND IT GETS TO BE A WHOLE BIG MESS BECAUSE SOME OF YOUR CODIFICATION NUMBERS START CHANGING AND STUFF, OR YOU WIND UP WITH DUPLICATES, WHICH IS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE'RE RUNNING INTO NOW BY HAVING THE AMENDMENT SEPARATED OUT AS AN EXHIBIT. 
          IT JUST MAKES IT CLEANER, SIMPLER. 
          UNDER THE NEW MUNI CODES PLATFORM THAT WE HAVE, YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES THAT ARE ADOPTED EACH YEAR, WHETHER THEY'RE PART OF THE CODIFICATION OR NOT. 
          EVERY ORDINANCE THAT CITY COUNCIL PASSES IS LISTED YEAR BY YEAR. 
          NOW, LET'S SEE, WE WERE , PARDON ME FOLKS. 
          THANKS. 
          WE WERE ON PAGE 25 OF THE BLACK LINE, AND WE GO TO PAGE 26 OF THE BLACK LINE DOWN TO THE PLUMBING CODE SECTION. 
          SO ENERGY CODE SAVING AND TRANSITION AUTHORITY AND PRIOR ORDINANCES IS TO CHANGE. 
          OH SHOOT. 
          JORDAN, WHY Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE RED LINE VERSION. 
          WHERE'S THE PLUMBING CODE? IT'S ON THAT MISSING PAGE. 
          IT'S MISSING, CORRECT? I, YEAH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO ON PAGE 26 OF THE BLACK LINE, THE SECTION ABOUT PLUMBING CODE IS A CHANGE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE MISSING A PAGE. 
          I THINK WE JUST MISSED NUMBER PAGE. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE JUST SKIPPED, I THINK 27 IS A BLANK SHEET, SO WE'VE GOT A NU IT'S JUST PAGE NUMBER'S GOT MISSED UP. 
          I THINK IT READS STRAIGHT THROUGH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE MISSING A SHEET. 
          IT'S JUST YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MISS THE RED LINE IS MISSING SECTIONS. 
          SO PLUMBING AT THIS POINT, UM, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS GENERALLY TOWARDS THE CHANGES, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE RED LINE VERSIONS. 
          UM, GET IT 
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CONSOLIDATED AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE GENERALLY THERE'S CONSENSUS MAYBE, UM, NO, NO, GO AHEAD. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          BUT UM, GIVEN THAT THE RED LINE AND THE NOT RED LINE ARE NOT LINING UP AND IT SEEMS THAT SOME THINGS ARE MISSING, I DON'T WANNA YEAH, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. 
          WE, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. 
          I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. 
          IT'S JUST A NUMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT HE'S IN, IN THE RED VERSION, THERE'S NO PLUMBING BECAUSE IT'S THE RED LINE VERSION IS MISSING PLUMBING. 
          AND SO, BUT YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND SO TO, TO THAT NOTE, THAT WAS THE INTENT. 
          WE ADOPT ALL THE CODES AND THEN THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS ARE PULLED ASIDE. 
          AND SO THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PART HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THAT EXHIBIT. 
          AND ALL OF THE CODES SHOULD FOLLOW THAT, WHICH SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE RED LINE IF THAT TRACKS. 
          I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT JORDAN JUST SAID, BUT MY POINT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLACK LINE, PAGE 26, 3 0.107, PLUMBING CODE IS NOT IN RED LINE VERSION. 
          SO TO LOOK AT THE CHANGES, WERE STILL ON THE BLACKLINE VERSION. 
          YOU WITH ME? WE'RE STILL ON THE BLACKLINE VERSION. 
          PAGE 26. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO YOU HAVE 14? DO YOU HAVE PAGE 14? JORDAN, LET ME YES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS, BUT JORDAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN THANK YOU . 
          I I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING MOTION, BUT YOU GOT IT. 
          LIKE TO POINT SOMETHING OUT, JUST IF IT'S HELPFUL ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE BLACK, UH, THE, UM, THE PACKET, UM, PAGE 26 AND THEN THERE'S A BLANK PAGE. 
          AND THEN WHAT MR. SCHNEIDER POINTED OUT, UM, 28, IT CONTINUES THE PLUMBING CODE, WHEREAS THE RED LINE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEGINNING OF THE PLUMBING CODE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THIS, RIGHT. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BLACK FOR COMMISSION QUESTIONS CHANGES. 
          WE'RE ON PAGE 26 OF THE BLACK CLIENT. 
          DAVE, I'M ON 28 WHEN WE GET TO 28. 
          QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THIS, THIS IS 20 26 3 ON PAGE 26 OF THE BLACK LINE COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEN THERE'S A BLANK PAGE IN THE BLACK LINE. 
          PAGE 27 IS BLACK. 
          YOU GO TO PAGE 28 AND WE'RE BACK HERE. 
          AND DOES THAT, DOES, DOES PAGE 28 FIT WITH PARENTHESES 24? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          AND SO WE'RE ON PAGE 28 TO CONTINUE OUR LOOK AT THE PLUMBING CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION, BUT IT'S JUST MORE FOR MY INFORMATION. 
          AND MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE, WHY IS IT THAT THEY SAY ONCE YOU'VE CONNECTED TO THE CITY WATER SUPPLY SOURCE, EXCEPT FOR NON-DOMESTIC USE OF HARVESTED RAINWATER, IT SHALL GRAVITY FOR THE PURPOSE. 
          WHY CAN'T WE USE HARVESTED RAINWATER FOR DOMESTIC USE? IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF CLEANLINESS AND, AND PURIFICATION. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS MY, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU, UH, TIE ANY OTHER WATER SYSTEM INTO THE, UH, DOMESTIC WATER 
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SYSTEM THAT CREATES WHAT IS CALLED A CROSS CONNECTION MM-HMM . 
          AND SINCE IT IS NOT TREATED TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT OUR PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY, THAT CREATES A HEALTH HAZARD. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT IF I WANTED TO PUT RAINWATER AND PUT IT IN MY POOL, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT IT IN YOUR POOL, YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIED INTO THE CITY SUPPLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I WAS, I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION. 
          I THOUGHT THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL. 
          I PROBABLY DIDN'T CROSS. 
          OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY RED LINES IN THE ELECTRICAL CODE, RIGHT? WELL, THE ELECTRICAL CODE, THIS IS PAGE THREE DASH 14 OF THE RED LINE, BUT THERE'S NO RED LINES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO CHANGES. 
          ARE WE REVIEWING STUFF THAT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED OR ARE WE JUST REVIEWING RED LINES? WELL, JOR, I'M GONNA HAVE TO WAIT FOR JORDAN TO COME. 
          COMEBACKS. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          NO, IT SHOULD BE A RED LINE. 
          SO WE CAN DO 3.18 ELECTRICAL CODE ON PAGE THREE 14 OF THE RED LINE ACTUALLY IS THE CHANGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE RED. 
          SO IT'S NEW. 
          THAT'S JIM'S POINT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, JIM. 
          WELL, I I THOUGHT IT WAS, THERE WAS NO CHANGE BECAUSE IT WASN'T RED LINE . 
          UM, SO THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THEM ON THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS PAGE. 
          WHAT, JORDAN? HOLD ON. 
          THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE 28 OF THE BLACK LINE AND PAGE 3.4 14 OF THE RED LINE, THE ELECTRICAL CODE IN THE RED LINE COPY IS ALL BLACK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH MEANS THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS NOW. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF. 
          IT WAS MOVED TO THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          IT SHOULD BE STRUCK FROM THE BLACK, FROM THE MAIN CODIFICATION. 
          IT'S NOW IN THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, WE'RE TAKING OUT THREE. 
          SO THIS SHOULD JUST BE TAKEN OUT. 
          THAT'S WHY I HAD MENTIONED IF YOU GUYS WANT A CLEAN DRAFT AFTER WE FINISH THE CONVERSATION, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING BACK A CLEAN DRAFT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE RED LINES AND THE COMPUTER AND THE, THE SOFTWARE WE USED TO PUBLISH. 
          UM, BUT IT'S NOT A CLEAN COPY. 
          AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO ON A CLEAN COPY. 
          THIS IS JORDAN. 
          THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU AND I WENT THROUGH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IT IS. 
          NO, SIR. 
          MA'AM, YOU AND I LOOKED AT CHANGES AND WE LOOKED AT SECTIONS OF THE ELECTRICAL CODE THAT WOULD BE AMEND THE ELECTRICAL CODE, AND THAT WAS THE CHANGE. 
          ALL THE STUFF UNDER 3.108 IS NEW. 
          I DON'T THINK IT IS, SIR. 
          THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT THE EXISTING CODE SAYS TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE RIGHT NOW. 
          YES SIR. 
          IT IS. 
          AND SO R AND T WE'RE GOOD, WAS TO DON'T ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT LOCAL AMENDMENTS DON'T. 
          IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION 3.1 AWAY, THIS HAS WRITTEN, I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND MOVING IT TO THE EXHIBIT. 
          THAT WAS THE INTENT OF CREATING AN EXHIBIT WAS TO MOVE THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO AN EXHIBIT. 
          UM, AND JUST REFERENCE THOSE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, I STILL STAND BY THAT IF THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. 
          AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP ALL OF THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          EITHER THEY'RE ALL IN AN EXHIBIT OR NONE OF THEM ARE IN AN EXHIBIT. 
          BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE SOME IN AND SOME OUT, IT'S GONNA GET CONFUSING AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES. 
          UM, AND HOW WE DIRECT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND SO ALL OR NOTHING, AND THAT'S MY ONLY REQUEST. 
          EITHER THEY'RE ALL IN AND CODIFIED OR WE STRIKE THEM ALL AND PUT THEM IN AN EXHIBIT. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I WOULD, UH, PROPOSE THAT, UH, WE GO WITH WHAT THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDED EARLIER, THAT WE GET A CLEAN COPY FOR OUR MEETING IN JULY. 
          WE CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THIS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS WAY. 
          I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE DOING AND I, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE NOTE CODIFICATION ISSUE AND THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN STAFF AND ME NEVER CAME UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING. 
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MM-HMM . 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT RIGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK WE, WE CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER IN ONE DOCUMENT RED LINE SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT IN JULY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD FINISH GOING THROUGH WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO WHAT'S HERE. 
          WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO WHERE IT IS PLACED, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT THE WAY THAT JORDAN WANTS IT AND THE WAY THAT CHARLES WANTS IT ONE TIME. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK I'VE TRACKED IT WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I THINK I GOT A LOT OF IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT I'M AFRAID I WOULD MAKE A MISTAKE ON THAT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FINISH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE BRING BACK IS FINE. 
          AND SO FAR IT HAS BEEN. 
          AND THEN JORDAN PUTS TOGETHER ONE TIME WHERE SHE WANTS EVERYTHING PLACED AND THEN IT'S AN EASY, EASY TASK FOR US. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE HEARD, GIVEN THAT DAVE, LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THAT WHAT WE SEE ON PAGE THREE 14 OF THE RED LINE IS THAT SHOULD BE STRUCK. 
          THAT'S WHAT STAFF SAID. 
          AND THAT APPLIES TO ANYTHING IN THIS SECTION. 
          IF IT'S LISTED AS A LOCAL AMENDMENT, IT SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE EXHIBIT. 
          IF THAT'S THE INTENT OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE. 
          IF WE KEEP IT ALL IN THE CODE, WE NEED TO MOVE LIKE THE DESIGN STANDARDS INTO THE CODE, AND WE NEED TO MOVE EVERYTHING BACK INTO THE CODE. 
          IF WE'RE MOVING IT TO AN EXHIBIT, WE NEED TO STRIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S A LOCAL AMENDMENT IN THE CURRENT CODE TODAY. 
          THAT'S A CONCEPT FOR WHICH THAT DOES NOT TRACK WITH WHAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE PASSED OUT OR IN THE PACKET. 
          SO, DAVE, GUYS, DO YOU WANT A COMMISSION? DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE WITH THIS OR DO YOU WANNA TRY IT AGAIN NEXT MONTH? I, I WANT TO JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND FIRST BEFORE I, SO JUST LIKE SECTION 3.108, ELECTRICAL CODE. 
          THE SECTIONS BEFORE THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME ARE RED LINE. 
          YOU DON'T WANT THOSE IN THE CODE. 
          YOU WANT THOSE TO GO TO AN EXHIBIT? NO. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WELL, WHERE'S THIS EXHIBIT GONNA BE? SO THAT'S, WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING THAT IT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT MANUAL THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AT COUNSEL TOMORROW. 
          UM, IF COUNSEL DECIDES THEY WANT IT AS A STANDALONE EXHIBIT, THEN IT'LL BE A STANDALONE EXHIBIT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO, AS ADOPTED, KEEP ON RECORD AND MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO WHETHER IT'S, UM, WRAPPED UP INTO A MANUAL THAT WE'RE ADOPTING OR IT'S ITS OWN STANDALONE THING FOR BUILDING SEPARATELY, UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP IT AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AS IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT AS A CODIFIED DOCUMENT. 
          IT'S JUST UPDATES TO LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND PROCEDURE, UM, ARE EASIER WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CODIFIED. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SOME OF THIS STUFF IS RED LINED AND SOME OF IT ISN'T. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ARE WE, ARE, ARE WE SAYING IF IT'S NOT RED LINED, IT'S OKAY AND IT'S GONNA GO TO THE EXHIBIT. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT IT SAYS IT'S GONNA GO TO THE EXHIBIT. 
          IF IT WASN'T RED LINED, IT'S OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF I CAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS, CAN WE GET CONSENSUS EITHER WAY. 
          WE NEED TO BRING BACK A CLEAN DRAFT AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT AND THINK THAT'S THE BEST CALL. 
          UM, CAN WE GET CONSENSUS ON THE EXHIBIT VERSUS CODIFICATION? BECAUSE IF I DON'T WANNA CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, UM, WITH THE CONFUSION BETWEEN THE VERSIONS AND THE INTENT, UM, IF WE CAN BRING BACK A CLEAN COPY WITH THAT CONSENSUS. 
          GENERALLY SPEAKING, I HAVEN'T HEARD MANY, UM, CONCERNS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROPOSED. 
          IT'S THE STRUCTURE IN WHICH IT WAS PRESENTED AND GETTING IT CLEANED UP. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS ON HOW TO PRESENT IT, UH, WE'LL BRING BACK A CLEAN COPY. 
          JORDAN, I'LL WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AN EXHIBIT, TYPICALLY EXHIBITS ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WHAT I THINK YOU SAID IS IT'S GONNA BE IN MANUAL, IT WILL BE ADOPTED WITH THE ORDINANCE. 
          WHERE WE PUT IT REGULARLY WILL BE UP TO WHERE COUNCIL DECIDES TO PUT IT REGULARLY. 
          IT MAY BE STANDALONE, IT MAY 
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BE IN A MANUAL, BUT IT GETS ADOPTED WITH THIS ORDINANCE AS AN EXHIBIT AS WELL. 
          SO THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS WILL BE CODIFIED, SIGNED VIDEO. 
          APOLOGIES. 
          I THOUGHT HAVING MY PHONE OFF. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID? NO, THE PUBLICATION OF OUR CODE, THE FORMAL CODIFICATION PROCESS, THE TEXT YOU SEE WILL REFERENCE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          THE RED LINE THAT REFERENCES LOCAL AMENDMENTS WILL BE WHAT GETS PUT ONLINE. 
          AND WHEREVER IT GETS DECIDED THAT IT GOES, THAT WILL BE REFERENCED AS WELL. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN WE ADOPT THE CODES, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS AS WELL. 
          IT'S WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT. 
          YOU'RE MAKING . 
          I I STILL, I STILL, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT. 
          SO YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT ADOPTS THE BUILDING CODE AND THERE ARE LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING CODE. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THE APPEALS BOARD APPENDIX, THE BUILDING CODE HAS A, AN APPENDIX, WHICH DESCRIBES WHAT THE APPEAL BOARD DOES, THAT SAYS TYPICALLY THE CITIES DELETE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IN TEXAS, WHERE WILL IT SAY IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING CODE? ONLY ABOUT THE APPEALS BOARD APPENDIX THAT TO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. 
          WHERE WILL THAT BE STATED? WILL THAT BE IN AN ORDINANCE OR WILL IT BE IN A MANUAL? WHEN WE ADOPT THESE UPDATES, WHAT IS GETTING CODIFIED? THERE WILL BE A REFERENCE TO AN EXHIBIT OF LOCAL AMENDMENTS IN WHAT FORM OR FASHION IS UP TO COUNSEL. 
          SO IT WILL SAY LIKE IN OUR, AND MS, YOU WITH ME ON THAT? HOLD, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT? NO, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS WILL BE BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL BE. 
          IT'S THAT COUNSEL HAS TO DETERMINE WHERE IT WILL BE. 
          THAT'S POINT BE A MANUAL OR AN EXHIBIT'S TONIGHT FOR US. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION WILL NOT HAVE A ROLE IN LOCAL AMENDMENTS? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING AT ALL. 
          MR. ROBBINS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, LET ME SEE IF I CAN OVERSIMPLIFY THINGS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. 
          WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE TAKING OUT ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE CHANGES DONE TO IT OVER THE NEXT 4, 5, 10, 20 YEARS. 
          AND THEY'RE SEPARATING IT FROM THE CRAP. 
          THAT'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE. 
          THAT WAY IT GETS SIMPLER FOR THEM TO MAKE CHANGES AND NOT HAVE TO REDO THE ENTIRE BIBLE. 
          THEY JUST GOTTA TAKE OUT A PERSON. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT POINT, WHICH MEANS THE STAFF DOES THE CHANGES. 
          STAFF CANNOT UNILATERALLY, ADMINISTRATIVELY MAKE CHANGES TO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT INVOLVES CITY BUSINESS. 
          THEY JUST WANT PERMISSION TO PUT IT IN A SEPARATE PLACE. 
          IT'S EASIER TO CHANGE WHEN WE DECIDE TO CHANGE THINGS. 
          THAT'S ALL THEY'RE DOING. 
          THEY'RE CLEANING UP, MAKING IT EASIER FOR THEM SO THAT WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES OR PLANNING ZONING OR CITY COUNCIL DOES, THOSE CHANGES CAN BE PUT INTO PLACE SIMPLER THAN REDOING THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          THAT'S IS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. 
          UM, PUTTING IT IN A MANUAL AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED IT, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING IT IN MANUAL AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED IT AND PUTTING IT IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES? MR. FOR ME, MS. CHRY HAS BEEN TRYING TO SPEAK AND, UM, I'VE SEEN HER MESSAGES POP UP, BUT I WANNA GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IF WE CAN, I'M, UM, I I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST REPEAT KIND OF WHAT, UM, WHAT I'VE BEEN TYPING IN. 
          UM, I THINK JORDAN'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN, CAN VIEW IT. 
          BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT IN ANY SCENARIO WHEN THESE ARE ADOPTED, THERE'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LIVE LINK. 
          UM, SO 
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IT'LL BRI EITHER BRING IT TO, ONCE THESE ARE PASSED, WE'LL EITHER BE, UH, BROUGHT ONTO THE EXHIBIT OR IT WILL BE, UH, LINKED TO THE, LINKED TO THE MANUAL. 
          UM, THE REASON WE'RE WANTING TO, LIKE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS TO, SO TABLES AND REFERENCES, UH, EXHIBITS, UH, ATTACHMENTS, THEY CAN BE UPDATED. 
          UH, BUT THE ORIGINAL REFERENCING TEXT REMAINS THE SAME. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE ADOPTING LIKE FEE SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE IT IN AN ORDINANCE, BUT THEN THE FEE SCHEDULE UPDATES ANNUAL, LIKE CAN BE UPDATED ANNUALLY AND YOU CAN JUST POST THE UPDATE. 
          BUT THE ATTACHMENT OR THE REFERENCE REMAINS THE SAME IN THE ORDINANCE TEXT. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, KIND OF, KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE JORDAN IS, UM, TRYING TO EXPRESS THAT NONE OF THESE CHANGES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THOUGH WITHOUT STAFF CAN'T IMPLEMENT THESE. 
          THESE ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS COMMISSION OR THE P AND Z OR ANY OF ANYTHING, ANY COMMISSION THAT IS INVOLVED HAS TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL'S THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN, UM, IMPLEMENT ALL. 
          UH, JORDAN, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M, UM, IF I'M MISSTEP OR MISSPOKE ON ME OF THAT. 
          UH, NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          UH, COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. 
          AND WITH THAT TOO, LIKE THE FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE JUST ADOPTED, IT'S REFERENCED AS AN EXHIBIT AND WE'RE PULLING OUT ALL REFERENCES TO NUMBERS OR APPENDIXES IN OUR CURRENT CODE. 
          UM, IT'S THE SAME THING WE'LL DO WHEN WE GET INTO TITLE V OF THE UDC REORGANIZATION. 
          IF IT CAN BE REFERENCED, UM, INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND HAVING TO CHANGE THE CODE, WE JUST UPDATE THE DOCUMENT IN THE EXHIBIT. 
          SO IF I, IF I CAN SIMPLIFY IT EVEN MORE, THAT'S HARDER. 
          THE, THE ONLY, THAT'S MORE WORK THAN PUTTING IN IT. 
          WELL, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE CITY COUNSELOR, WHOEVER WILL SET FEES, SEE TABLE FOUR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU GO TO TABLE FOUR, THE CITY COUNCIL, OR, OR JORDAN, OR, OR THE CITY MANAGER THINKS THAT THE FEES NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. 
          THEY COME TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. 
          WE DISCUSS IT, WE DECIDE TO MAKE THE CHANGES, WE SEND IT TO COUNCIL. 
          AND INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND CHANGING THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE FIRST SENTENCE STAYS, THEY JUST GO TO TABLE FOUR AND WE CHANGE THE TABLE FOUR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'LL STILL BE DOING THE DECISION MAKING, STILL BE DOING THE WORK. 
          IT'S JUST BEING REPORTED SEPARATE DIFFERENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN STATED. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE ORDINANCE CARRIES THE FORCE OF LAW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO THE TABLES AND EXHIBITS. 
          SO WHY, WHY DON'T YOU PUT YOUR TABLE RIGHT AFTER THE ORDINANCE THAT IT APPLIES TO? AND WHY, WHY TAKE 'EM ALL OUT AND PUT 'EM IN A SEPARATE PLACE? SO WHAT'S HAPPENED? I AGREE WITH YOU, JIM. 
          WHAT'S HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR CURRENT CODE AND, UM, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE CLEAR, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, UM, UDC THING, AS ORDINANCES HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AS THEY'RE CONTINUING TO HAPPEN, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THINGS ARE GETTING ACCIDENTALLY DELETED. 
          THINGS ARE GETTING MISLABELED. 
          SO IT'S MISNUMBERED, UM, THINGS ARE NO LONGER, UM, AS EFFECTIVE OR THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. 
          UM, AND SO THIS ELIMINATES ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, SAME THING TOO. 
          WE, AND I THINK THE LCRA ORDINANCE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS. 
          UM, WE'VE ADOPTED THE ENTIRE LCRA ORDINANCE AND CODIFIED IT. 
          THE LCRA IS ABOUT TO UPDATE THAT ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT THAT ENTIRE SECTION OF THE CODE AND REPLACE IT WITH WHATEVER THEY SAY, OR WE CAN JUST REFERENCE THEIR MOST ADOPTED CODE. 
          AND SO IF THEY CHANGE TOMORROW, WE'RE STILL FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCEDURES. 
          IT'S JUST, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO COPY AND PASTE, YOU KNOW, 15 MANUALS. 
          JORDAN, YOU CAN'T FIND IT. 
          IT'S ON US TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. 
          IT, THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT OF MAINTAIN IS THAT WE, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          IT'S OUR CITY SECRETARY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE ALL OF THIS AS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AS WE CAN. 
          IF PEOPLE CAN'T FIND IT, WE ARE FAILING AT OUR JOBS. 
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WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I  IT'S HALF A DOZEN ONE AND SIX OF THE OTHER. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT . 
          IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST KINDA GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE GONNA, THE ORDINANCES WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, WHAT'S GONNA STAY IN THERE AND WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD READ WHEN EVERYTHING IS CLEANED UP, IT SHOULD HAVE OUR LIST OF ADOPTED CODES. 
          UM, IT'LL STILL SAY THINGS LIKE ADMINISTRATION, UM, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS, PERMITS AND APPROVALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT NOW IT'S ONE SECTION THAT SAYS, THESE ARE ALL THE CODES WE'VE ADOPTED. 
          JIM, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU NOW? WELL, I, I'M LOOKING AT ARTICLE THREE. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WHICH, WHICH PAGE OF THE, UH, 12 IN THE, IN THE PACKET, WHICH PA 12 OF THE PAGE 12. 
          THE RAD LINE OR THE, NO, THE PACKET. 
          PACKET. 
          SO THE QUESTION WAS WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WOULD THE TABLE OF CONTENTS LOOK LIKE? RIGHT. 
          AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THIS STUFF WILL STAY IN. 
          HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF HAVING A SECTION FOR BUILDING AND FIRE CODES IN A SECTION FOR PLUMBING CODES, IN A SECTION FOR ELECTRICAL CODES, IN A SECTION FOR MECHANICAL FUEL, GAS, AND WHATEVER ELSE WE DECIDE TO ADOPT, IT'LL SAY, HERE'S OUR LIST OF ADOPTED CODES. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, PLEASE LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE AND GO TO CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION AND WE'LL PERMITS AND APPROVAL AND WHATEVER COMES NEXT ON THAT TABLE OF CONTENTS. 
          AND THAT SHOULD NOT CHANGE UNTIL WE'RE READY TO ADOPT 20, 23 CODES OR 2025 CODES, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO GO WITH AT A MUCH LATER DATE. 
          UM, SO IT, I'M SORRY, JIM, GO AHEAD. 
          IT'S, IT'S FINE. 
          WHAT, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE WE, YOU WERE DOING THIS. 
          AND SO I'M ON PAGE 12 OF THE BLACK LINE ACCORDING TO THAT, AND LOOKING AT CD ONE PLUS CD TWO AND CD THREE, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ACCORDING TO THE RED LINE DOCUMENT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE WILL BRING BACK A CLEAN RED LINE COPY SHOWING THESE CHANGES. 
          THE INTENT WAS NOT THAT ANYBODY BE BLINDSIDED BY THE CHANGES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS WITH THE DRAFTS THAT WE HAVE AND HOW THE RED LINE WORKED WITH THE DOWNLOAD FROM OUR CURRENT, OUR NEW UPDATED SOFTWARE. 
          UM, WE WILL CLEAN THIS UP AND BRING IT BACK. 
          MY QUESTION IS, CONSENSUS WISE, ARE WE GOING EXHIBIT OR ARE WE NOT GOING EXHIBIT AND IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WE'LL TAKE TO COUNCIL TOMORROW? 'CAUSE CLEANUP IS ONE THING. 
          GRAMMATICAL STUFF, YOU KNOW, CLERICAL THINGS ARE ONE THING. 
          DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT COUNCIL TOMORROW? LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE POINT THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE MA THAT I'M MAKING AND I DIDN'T GET IT AND IT'S MY FAULT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINE COPY PAGE, CD 3.1, THAT IS NOT THE EXISTING CHAPTER THREE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU HAVE REORGANIZED IT. 
          THIS WAS PULLED OFF OF OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO THE RED LINE VERSION DOES NOT CHANGE THE ORGANIZATION OF CHAPTER THREE. 
          NOT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING MOVING AROUND. 
          WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS IS CORRECTED IS THAT ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL LINES FOR CODES WILL BE CONDENSED. 
          IT'LL BE ONE WITH A REFERENCE TO LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. 
          SORRY. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE 
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I'M HEADED FOLKS. 
          I THINK JORDAN HAS INDICATED THAT, THAT WHAT'S IN HER PACKET, THE RED LINE VERSION ACTUALLY IS CHANGED. 
          FOR INSTANCE, LET'S LOOK AT SUBSTANDARD ENDANGERS BUILDING AND STRUCTURES THAT'S LISTED AS ARTICLE 3.1 200. 
          THE, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THE TABLE OF CONTENTS HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED BY STAFF EVEN TO UPDATE WITH RED LINES. 
          SO YOU HAD SENT US A COPY OF YOUR RED LINES. 
          WE HAD GONE IN AND MADE COMMENTS ON THOSE RED LINES AND MADE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. 
          THE TABLE OF CONTENTS I WON'T EVEN LOOK AT TO BE FRANK, UNTIL WE'RE READY FOR ADOPTION. 
          BECAUSE THINGS WILL MOVE, THINGS WILL SHIFT, NUMBERS MAY CHANGE. 
          THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE RED LINES. 
          A SECOND TWO, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I AM 100% FINE WITH CHAPTER THREE, BUILDING REGULATIONS STAT, TAKING OUT THE INDIVIDUAL CODES AND PUTTING THEM AS AN EXHIBIT AND CHANGING THE TABLE CONTENT TO REQUEST MY OPINION. 
          MR. SCHNEIDER, CAN I ALSO ASK, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, IN THE LINK, THE WILDLIFE URBAN INTERFACE CODE. 
          UM, WAS THERE A CONSENSUS ON THAT AS WELL? AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT, UM, I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING MR. THERE EXCEPT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OKAY. 
          ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          SO HOWEVER THAT GETS WORDED, TAKEN TO COUNSEL THAT THAT DOES, HAS NO ACTION TAKEN ON IT WHATSOEVER. 
          HOWEVER, THE BEST WAY TO WORD THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON THE ELECTRICAL CODE, WHICH WAS PAGE THREE POINT 14 OF THE RED LINE. 
          AND I THINK THE RED LINE DOCUMENT IS GOOD FROM HERE ON SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REFER TO THE BLACK LINE. 
          CORRECT? UM, I HAVE LOST TRACK OF MY PAGES. 
          OKAY, LET'S COULD NOT BEGIN TO TELL YOU. 
          LET'S, LET'S CHECK THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY 3 3 16 RED LINE THREE 17, THE RED LINE, UM, IT BEGINS ON 19 AND 20 WITH MENTION OF THE PROCEDURE MANUAL. 
          UM, THOSE MAY BE SUBJECT TO TA CHANGE BASED ON WHAT COUNSEL DETERMINES WHEN THIS GETS BEFORE THE MINUTES, ITS FINAL DRAFT. 
          UM, WHAT IS ON 24? AND I'M ASSUMING WHAT'S MISSING? WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON? 2019 AND 20. 
          SO THERE'S, OH, WHICH DOCUMENT? THE RED LINE. 
          SO THERE'S TWO REFERENCES. 
          ONE ON 19, ONE ON 20 TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES MANUAL. 
          AGAIN, THAT MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE WAY COUNCIL VOTES. 
          UM, FROM THERE, UM, I THINK THERE'S A CHUNK MISSING BETWEEN 23 AND 24. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CUT OFF. 
          UH, BUT THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT THAT THE BSC HAD MADE REGARDING THE AUTHORITY, UM, ON PERMIT EXPIRATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, PARDON ME. 
          SO WE'RE ON, ON THE RED LINE DOCUMENT THREE 19. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE Y'ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          WE'LL GO INTO THE NEXT, NEXT RED LINE, WHICH IS THREE 20 
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COMMENTS. 
          3 24. 
          3 23 AND 3 24. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE RED LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE PART OF THE JORDAN, PART OF THE TOP OF 3 24 HAS BEEN CUT OFF. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS AMENDMENT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS AGREED UPON BACK IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE, UM, BUILDING OFFICIAL NEEDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS SOME MORE CAVEATS IN THAT. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT SECTION GOT REPLACED BECAUSE THERE WERE CHANGES IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SPOTS. 
          AND SO IT WAS JUST CLEANER TO TO COPY AND PASTE WHAT WAS NEW. 
          BUT IT ALL OF IT DIDN'T GET COPIED. 
          YES. 
          SO IT GOT REFERRED TO THE BLACK LINE. 
          SO YOU'RE BOTTOM PAGE THERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          SHOOT, NO, I'M, THAT'S IT. 
          PAGE 42. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE BLACK SLASH RED LIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED AT YOUR POINT. 
          IT'S STILL MISSING IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE AMENDMENT FOR THIS. 
          I, I CAN'T, I HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOU MEAN THE MOTION? YEAH, THE MOTION IS HE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB. 
          I'LL SECOND HIS MOTION THAT , WE TAKE ALL THESE, THAT JORDAN, TAKE ALL THESE CHANGES, PUT THEM IN A CLEAN RED LINE VERSION THAT'S COMPLETE AND BRING IT BACK TO US IN JULY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS MY SECOND OF DAVE'S MOTION. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          3 25 IS WHAT WE REC RED LINE 3 25 IS WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED. 
          THREE 20. 
          OOPS. 
          3 2 2, 3. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          YEAH, WE MOVE THAT THERE'S 2 3, 2 25. 
          I CAN'T, I, I'M DONE. 
          UM, IF WORD. 
          YEAH, WORD. 
          DIDN'T LIKE THE RED LIGHTS. 
          JORDAN, I DON'T ENVY YOU TRYING TO DE PUZZLE THIS, UM, SITUATION. 
          WELL, HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU LOG IN IT'LL BE CLEARER. 
          I DO. 
          ITEM IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION CONCERNING ITEM FIVE ONE CONCERNING THE RECOMMENDATION OF ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO CHAPTER THREE, ADOPTING ADDITIONAL CODES? FIVE ONE OH YEAH. 
          NO. 
          IS THAT A REPEAT OF WHAT I SAID? WELL, YES SIR. 
          PRETTY MUCH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TITLE IS, BUT WHATEVER YOU JUST ASK. 
          I MOVE THAT JORDAN, TAKE THAT. 
          ALL THIS INFORMATION WE'VE DISCUSSED, PUT IT IN A CLEAN RED LINE, COMPLETE FORMAT AND BRING IT BACK TO US IN JULY. 
          I SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          SO MOTION IS SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          JIM. 
          TRY TO GET IT TO US BEFORE YOU BRING IT BACK A, A WEEK OR SO SO WE CAN DO OUR OWN LOOKING AND REDLINING AND ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO MY ASSUMPTION PENDING, FIGURING OUT SOME OF THOSE LITTLE NUANCES, UM, WOULD BE, IT'S WEDNESDAY, UM, EARLY MONDAY THE LATEST, UM, TO GIVE ADEQUATE TIME. 
          UH, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AT COUNCIL TOMORROW. 
          AND SO WE'D INCORPORATE THOSE AS WELL WITH NOTES THAT THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          UM, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FONDNESS OF THE DISCUSSION BOARD IS. 
          I KNOW SOME PEOPLE LOVE IT AND SOME PEOPLE HATE IT. 
          UM, IF THE INTENT IS TO POST THERE, WE CAN AS WELL. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS AND EVEN WANTS TO USE IT. 
          UH, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WIDELY AVAILABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT BASED ON WHAT WE, JIM, FURTHER 
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DISCUSSION. 
          SO MOTION. 
          A SECOND DISCUSSION? YES. 
          SHOOT. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID WAS I WAS 100% OKAY WITH THEM MOVING THE CODES TO AN EXHIBIT. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY EXCEPT MY NEIGHBOR AGREED WITH ME. 
          IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THEM DOING WHAT I HAD, WHAT I HAD SAID I WAS ALL RIGHT WITH. 
          SO SHE MOVES THAT YES. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION. 
          WELL, IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE NO, SIR, IT'S NOT, THERE'S A SIMPLE MOTION YES. 
          TO BRING IT BACK TO US IN JULY. 
          THAT'S THE MOTION. 
          BUT SHE NEEDS TO BRING IT BACK A CERTAIN WAY AND SHE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK TO US WITH THOSE AS AN EXHIBIT. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH HER DOING THAT? THAT WE CAN'T, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION UNLESS YOU WANT AMEND THE MOTION. 
          I JUST WANT IT TO BE EASY FOR JORDAN TO PUT THIS TOGETHER ONE TIME THE WAY EVERYBODY'S HAPPY DOING IT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT DOING IT TWICE. 
          AND SHE'S ASKED US TO LET HER KNOW IF WE'RE OKAY WITH HER PUTTING 'EM AS AN EXHIBIT. 
          IT SHOULD BE A SIMPLE YES OR NO. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT THE MOTION, SIR. 
          DOESN'T REQUIRE MOTION. 
          THAT'S NOT A MOTION. 
          SO LET'S FINISH OUR FIRST MOTION. 
          LET LET AGREED AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THAT MOTION ON THOSE TWO. 
          YOU HAD TWO POINTS THAT, THAT WE TOLD HER. 
           FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. 
          NO. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          AYE, IT'S COMING BACK UNANIMOUSLY COMING BACK IN JULY. 
          NOW WE'RE STILL ON THIS, THIS ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, DAVE? YES SIR. 
          YOU'RE ON. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE THE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ET CETERA, CODES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO OUT OF THE APPENDIX AND MAKE THEM AS A SEPARATE EXHIBIT TO BE PLACED BY CITY COUNCIL WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN THEY BRING THIS BACK TO US, IT WILL REFERENCE THE CONSTRUCTION CODES FOR THE URBAN FIREWISE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ACTION TAKEN ON THAT AT THIS TIME. 
          SECOND, THAT'S TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. LET'S BREAK IT DOWN TO URBAN WILDFIRE SEPARATELY, DAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL AMEND MY MOTION IF NO, LET ME, I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION. 
          PARDON ME? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND DISCUSSION YOU, YOU'VE DONE, YOU'VE SAID TWO OR THREE THINGS AS I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE I LEASE IT. 
           THE SLOWEST GUY ON THE COMMISSION ONE. 
          YOU WANNA MOVE LOCAL AMENDMENTS OUT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO IT TO EMANUEL. 
          CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE THAT WORDAGE IS THE WAY THAT I WANTED IT ORDERED. 
          THAT'S MY POINT. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT JORDAN HAS ASKED US IF WE HAD A CONSENSUS TO TAKE OUT THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES, PLUMBING CODE, ELECTRICAL CODE, MECHANICAL FUEL, GAS CODE, ET CETERA, AND MOVE THEM TO AN EXHIBIT. 
          AND I AM 100% OKAY WITH THAT. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          THAT. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          LET ME, LET ME, OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THIS IS, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY? THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES WILL NOT ADOPT ANY OR ADOPT THOSE LISTED INTERNATIONAL CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE TO ADOPT THEM. 
          DAVE, BEAR WITH ME. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THEM. 
          LOCAL AMENDMENTS HAS BEEN OUR ISSUE TONIGHT. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE WILL THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS BE? HAS BEEN THE ISSUE? YOU, YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. 
          SO WE LIKE, WE LIKE ADOPTING THE MOST RECENT, I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT WE OUGHT TO ADOPT. 
          AND THE CITY MANAGERS INDICATED ONE STEP BACK, AND THIS IS THE 2021 OR 23 EEC OR 24 PUB, WHATEVER. 
          BUT GO TO THE MORE RECENT INTERNATIONAL CODES. 
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THE ANSWER TO CONSENSUS IS YOU BET THE DEBATE HAS BEEN LOCAL AMENDMENTS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          WHERE WILL THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS BE? JORDAN, WHERE WOULD LOCAL AMENDMENTS BE FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE? MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS RESIDE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES MANUAL AS ADOPTED AND AMENDED BY COUNCIL TOMORROW. 
          THE COUNCIL HAS A DRAFT IN FRONT OF THEM TO START THE DISCUSSIONS ON IT. 
          THE INTENT IS TO ADOPT THAT AT THE SAME TIME AS WE REORGANIZE THE CODE AND WE START PULLING OUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN THE CODE THAT DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE. 
          MY INTENT IS THAT'S WHERE IT LIVES. 
          IF COUNSEL DECIDES IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT, IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT, WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP IT ON FILE. 
          IT STILL HAS TO LIVE. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T JUST GET WASHED AWAY. 
          UM, BY NOT BEING IN OUR CODIFIED TEXT. 
          IT'S REFERENCED. 
          WE HAVE TO KEEP IT, IT IS AN INTERESTING PHENOMENA. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS WILL STILL GO, JORDAN IS A MAD AMANDA STILL WITH US. 
          THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE APPENDIX ABOUT THE APPEALS BOARD, YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT. 
          THAT WILL NOT BE CODIFIED. 
          HERE'S THE LIST OF AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING CODE WHERE THE WILDFIRE URBAN INTERFACE, THE CODE OF THE WHAT'S IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WILL REFERENCE SOMETHING ELSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          CORRECT? AM I WHAT IS REFERENCED IS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERY CODE'S LOCAL AMENDMENTS, UM, AND ANYTHING THAT WE DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CITY. 
          AND, AND I LIKED IT. 
          THAT THAT'S NOT BAD. 
          I GOT, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT BAD. 
          SO IF I'M, AND I USED TO DO DUE DILIGENCE, SO I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          WHO SEES THAT? STILL A FUNCTION OF THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BEEN CHANGED TO MAY. 
          SO THE COUNCIL CAN DO THAT ON THEIR OWN. 
          CHANGE THOSE REFERENCES TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT ON THEIR OWN. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          THAT'LL BE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          BUT THEY CAN ALSO DO THAT NOW. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE RULE OR, RIGHT. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO DAVE, ON ONTO YOUR POINT, WHAT DO WE SEE AT THE NEXT MEETING? WHAT WE'LL SEE AT THE NEXT MEETING IS, IS OUR BLACK LINE COPY CLEANED UP EXACTLY THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO SEE IT AND PROVE IT, INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY WANT PUT INTO AN EXHIBIT PLACED INDIVIDUAL OR AS A GROUP INTO AN INDIVIDUAL EXHIBIT. 
          AND WE'LL BE TOLD BY CITY COUNCIL WHERE THEY WANT TO PLACE THAT EXHIBIT. 
          WHEN YOU SAY TOLD BY CITY COUNCIL, WHAT IF THEY DON'T DECIDE NEXT THAT THE, I FRANKLY DON'T CARE WHERE THEY STICK IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST DON'T GIVE IT IN. 
          THEY, THEY COULD PUT IT ANYWHERE THEY WANT SO LONG AS THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE TO GO FIND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA REFERENCE IT. 
          THEY GO FIND IT. 
          IT'S A LINK. 
          YEP. 
          THEY'RE GONNA READ THROUGH THAT STUFF. 
          IT'S GONNA SAY FIND YOUR CODES RIGHT HERE AND YOU'RE GONNA CLICK THE LINK. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU RIGHT TO DO WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION? OR WE COULD, I I SHE'S LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          I THINK WE COULD GIVE HER THAT CONSENSUS WITHOUT A MOTION. 
          WE GOT ON LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          LOCAL AMENDMENTS ON ONE PLACE REFERENCED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO THAT PLACE. 
          YES, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          I, IS THERE A CONSENSUS? YEP. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU 
          [02:00:01]
GUYS. 
          SORRY. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? 
          [V.2. Consider, discuss, and take action on recommendation for the updates to Chapter 3.12 of the Building Regulations regarding Property Maintenance, Substandard And Dangerous Buildings And Structures]
NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS, CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS TO UPDATE 3.12 OF THE BUILDING CODE CONCERNING SUBSTANDARD DANGEROUS BUILDINGS. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT PAGE 65 OF THE PACKET, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A RED LINE. 
          AND LET ME JUST SAY AGAIN, JORDAN, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I HAD NO CLUE YOU WERE GOING THIS WAY OR THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING THIS WAY. 
          SO IF, IF I, ON THE LAST, UH, DOCUMENT, WE'LL GO PAGE BY PAGE, PAGE 65 OF THE PACKET. 
          YOU'LL SEE COMMENTS IN IT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          THESE ARE MY COMMENTS ACTUALLY, WERE DONE IN BETWEEN 2024. 
          SO THAT'S HOW LONG THIS STAFF'S BEEN OUT FOR A STAFF REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU JORDAN. 
          SO THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU IS ESSENTIALLY A DOCUMENT. 
          JORDAN AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH. 
          JORDAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS? UM, I'LL KEEP IT VERY SHORT AND SWEET AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE BLUE LINES ARE FRANK'S, THE RED LINE IS STAFF. 
          UM, MOST OF WHAT STAFF HAS PUT IN IS JUST ADDITIONAL, UH, LEGAL BUFFER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY GOTCHAS. 
          UH, THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS WITH IT FROM OUR POINT OR FROM OUR STANCE. 
          UM, IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT, STAFF IS HAPPY WITH IT AND, UM, WE CAN PUSH IT FORWARD. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I HAVE A, A QUESTION ON, UM, PAGE 66. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA GO PAGE BY PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, CAN WE, CAN WE? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT LEAD ON PAGE 64 65? JIM'S ON, YEAH. 
          NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH 65. 
          65 OF THE PACKET, WHICH IS A RED LINE. 
          WHICH IS THE RED LINE THAT'S JORDAN AND I PUT TOGETHER AS, UH, DIRECTED BY THE BILLING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. 
          WE'RE GOOD WITH 65, 66. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT, UM, SECTIONS REFERRED TO THE REFERENCE. 
          I'M SORRY ABOUT, UM, STARTING NUMBER 3, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. 
          REFER TO SECTIONS THAT DON'T REALLY MAKE SENSE, THE SECTION NUMBERS. 
          IT'S A COMMENT YOU CAN TAKE BACK. 
          AND, UH, WELL, MR. ROBBINS, I BELIEVE THIS IS YOURS. 
          THERE WAS SOME, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING, AND I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, BEFORE I HAD LEFT. 
          UH, WHAT THESE THINGS REFER TO IN THE UPDATED VERSION OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          UH, THIS 6.023. 
          'CAUSE I REMEMBER US LOOKING THROUGH THE UPDATED VERSION THAT WE HAD. 
          UM, BUT I BELIEVE THESE, UM, WERE FROM USER. 
          I'M, I'M, WHAT'S THE ISSUE? I'M SORRY. 
          THE SECTIONS DON'T CORRESPOND TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS. 
          OH 3.1 200. 
          IT'S THE EXISTING 
          [02:05:02]
ARTICLE IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND WE'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF 2024 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          AND WE'RE ON PAGE 20 ON PAGE 66, WHICH HAS LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          ALRIGHT, PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE SECTION 6 0 2 0.3 IS 6 0 2. 
          IT'S, THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE ACTUAL INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          IT'S NOT A REFERENCE TO OUR CITY CODE. 
          IT'S A REFERENCE TO THE BIG BOOK THEN. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE,  IS I'M, THAT I'M GOOD IN ORDINANCE, THAT IT OPS THE PROPERTY, THE 2024 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE AMENDMENTS TO IT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          I'M OKAY WITH, I'M OKAY WITH MOVING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE EVERYTHING SEPARATED APPROPRIATELY BE VERY EASY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I JUST NEED AN EXPLANATION, JUST, JUST, JUST THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. 
          YOU'VE GOT A, B, C AND YOU GOT C 1, 2, 3, AND WELL, AND THEN YOU GOT, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT A FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX DOWN HERE THAT ARE BACK OUT TO THE LEFT. 
          SO FORMAT, THAT'S FORMAT, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S A WORD. 
          PROCESSING. 
          THIS IS FORMATTING THE FORMAT, JIM. 
          OKAY. 
          WAIT, YEAH. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH AND, UM, FORMAT YOU AND ME BOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I, THAT, THAT OUGHT TO BE OVER HERE, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE IT NOW. 
          I GOT IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SORRY. 
          I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO FORMAT SOME OF THE STUFF. 
          SO DOES THAT I'M, I'M, I'M SATISFIED. 
          YOU'RE OKAY. 
          ON NUMBER ON, UH, THREE, THE FOLLOWING NUMBERED SECTION IS DELETED AND REPLACED IN FULL WITH WHY DO YOU NEED TO ASK FOLLOWS WITH COLON. 
          AND THEN YOU GOT SECTION ONE. 
          OH, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT BELOW. 
          IT CAN PUT IT THERE. 
          JUST, UH, AND THEN THIS DOWN HERE. 
          WAIT JUST A SECOND, Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? MM-HMM . 
          DELETING THE WORDS AS FOLLOWS. 
          AND PUT YOUR SEMICOLON WITH CONSENSUS IS DELETE THAT WITH SEMI. 
          OKAY. 
          BY THE WAY, WEEDS IS DELETED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY, HOW TALL THE WHEATS HAVE TO BE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND SO IN THE, IN THE, IT'S IN THE, CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER SIX, , WHEREVER THAT ENDS UP. 
          . 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF INSERTING WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE SAYS IS INSERTING A NUMBER, WE JUST DELETED 67. 
          THE BUILDING OFFICIAL NEEDS TO LOOK AT MY COMMENT AND AND COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF, WHATEVER GOES TO COUNCIL. 
          CUT OUT MY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT YOU ALL RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          AND IS CHARLES STILL WITH US? HE IS. 
          BLESS HIS HEART. 
          AND HE'S GOT HIS FAN ON. 
          SO HE'S STAYING COOL. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          , THE CITY MANAGER MADE FOR ME ANYWAY, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS TO WHAT THE WORK BEEN 
          [02:10:01]
REORGANIZING, HOW THE CITY OPERATES MORE EFFECTIVELY WHEN HE PULL CODE ENFORCEMENT BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WHAT WE WILL SEE LATER ON OUR AGENDA IS SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THAT. 
          BUT THIS LITTLE CHANGE SAYS THE CITY MANAGER'S, THE GUY. 
          THAT LITTLE CHANGE FOR ME IS HUGE. 
          'CAUSE THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME, AND LET ME NOT GO INTO HISTORY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON 67 68? HAVE WE GONE TO THE 2021 OR 2024? PROPERTY MAINTENANCE? 24. 
          SO WE NEED TO CHANGE D THREE. 
          UH, DD THREE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          TO 24. 
          OKAY. 
          Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          69, 70, 71. 
          NOTHING ON 72 73. 
          LET ME GO TO MY BOTTOM COMMENT. 
          THIS IS FOR AMANDA. 
          THERE'S AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE ABOUT WHAT AMOUNTS TO A CONDEMNATION OF A PROPERTY ON A PROPERTY. 
          A LOT OF CITIES DON'T DO THAT. 
          AND THE STATE LAW DOESN'T SPEAK TO IT EXPLICITLY. 
          YOU LOOKING FOR MY OPINION? YES, SIR. 
          I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER. 
          I THINK ONCE IT'S DONE THROUGH ITS TENDER, IF YOU DETERMINE, AND THE CITY'S STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT IT'S GOT AN ISSUE, IT'S GOT AN ISSUE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT GETTING THAT PROPERTY SECURITY TAKEN CARE OF SHOULD DRAG OUT INTO FOUR MONTHS. 
          BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IF THEY DO GET AN APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY STILL DON'T LIKE WHAT CITY COUNCIL SAYS, 
          [02:15:01]
DO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AGAIN? OR IS IT A ONE AND DONE APPEAL AND IT'S OVER? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S ONE AND DONE. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE US TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          DISTRICT COURT. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUE US. 
          UM, AFTER YOUR APPEAL, YOU, IN EVERY PROCESS WE HAVE, THERE'S AN APPEAL. 
          YOU GET ONE SHOT AT IT. 
          IF IT'S DENIED, WE'LL SEE YOU IN TRAVIS COUNTY COURT. 
          SO IF, IF WE GOT RID OF THAT PART WHERE THEY DID NOT GET AN APPEAL MM-HMM . 
          WOULD THEY STILL GO SUE US? LIKE YEAH, THEY GO STRAIGHT. 
          ANYBODY CAN SUE US FOR ANY REASON AT ANY POINT TIME. 
          THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE DISTRICT COURT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THE APPEAL AND THEM HAVING 30 MORE DAYS. 
          IT'S ALREADY TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE SAID IT NEEDS TO GO. 
          BUT I, I HAVEN'T SAT ON A CONDEMNED BUILDING YET. 
          WE DID ONE A YEAR OR TWO AGO AND I, I WAS ABSENT. 
          IT DOES WHEN WE, WHEN WHEN, WHEN YOU SIGN THE FORM SAYING IT'S CON WE'VE CONDEMNED IT, IS IT, IS IT DONE OR DOES IT GO TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY APPROVE OUR, OUR VOTE OR OUR CONDEMNATION? IT WELL, THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS. 
          RIGHT? BUT I'M SAYING BEFORE, IF THEY DON'T APPEAL IT, DOES THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE SAID? I THINK THE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? I THINK THE APPROVAL FROM COUNSEL ISN'T THE CONDEMNATION OF THE BUILDING, IT'S THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH PURSUING CORRECTIVE ACTION. 
          NO. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT PAGE 74. 
          NOW THIS IS RED LINE STUFF. 
          THE ISSUE IS, AND I AGREE WITH DAVE, BUT THE ISSUE IS THE PROCESS. 
          IF, IF THE BILL, IF, IF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, AND LET ME, LET ME, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION LATER ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROBLEMS WITH THESE KINDS OF ISSUES. 
          BUT IF WE GET THE, THE BIGGIE IS THE CONDEMNATION, WHICH COMES TO US, IN MY OPINION, AND JORDAN OR THE BILLING OFFICIAL CAN JUMP IN. 
          THE BIGGIE IS WE'RE WE'RE CONSIDERING REQUIRING THE OWNER TO DEMOLISH, YOU'RE WITH ME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN THERE'S ISSUES WITH IF THEY DON'T WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME IN THE CODE, BUT THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL, OUR DECISION. 
          AND DAVID'S SAYING, AND I AGREE, CUT THE COUNCIL OUT. 
          'CAUSE MOST CITIES DON'T DO THAT. 
          AND SO THE WAY I'M READING IT, CITY COUNCIL WON'T SEE IT UNLESS THEY APPEAL IT. 
          SO I I IF WE TAKE THE APPEAL AWAY, THAT'S ONE MORE THING THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEAL WITH. 
          BUT IS CITY COUNCIL AND OUR ATTORNEY COMFORTABLE WITH US MAKING THOSE DECISIONS? AND I, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF I WERE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THEY'RE LETTING US DECIDE TO FA TO THE CITY. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT APPEAL PROCESS OUT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THEY'RE THEN ING ON OUR SHOULDERS AND KNOWING THAT THE CITY VERY MILL, VERY MIGHT WELL GET SUED. 
          THEY'RE LEAVING THAT DECISION TO US AND NOT CITY COUNCIL OUTSIDE. 
          SO YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT APPEAL TO I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO, I THINK, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE APPEAL IN PLACE FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THERE. 
          WELL, BUT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. 
          BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE DECIDE THAT AND WE DECIDE THAT A BUILDING IS CONDEMNED, IT'S A HAZARDOUS, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WENT TO COUNCIL, THEY GOT A REPORT AND THEY SAID, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THEN THEY HAVE SEEN IT. 
          THEY PUT THEIR STAMP APPROVAL ON IT. 
          AND THEN THE APPEAL. 
          IF THEY, IF THEY AGREE WITH US, THEN THERE IS NO APPEAL. 
          SO IF WE TAKE THE APPEAL OUT, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SEND IT TO COUNSEL FOR REVIEW. 
          BUT THAT WOULD, THAT DRAGS OUT THAT, THAT WOULD DRAG OUT THE WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE THEN AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH IT, DENNIS'S GOTTA GO ON THEIR CALENDAR TO LOOK AT IT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S TRUE. 
          THAT'S APPEAL. 
          WE GET TO MAKE OUR DECISION IMMEDIATELY. 
          THEY GET 30 DAYS TO GET ON TO GET TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND IF I MAY, THERE, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. 
          UH, 
          [02:20:01]
WHETHER OR NOT WE ALLOW COUNSEL TO APPEAL IS ONE THING OR NOT ALLOW THEM WRITE THEIR COUNCIL. 
          BUT, UM, WHETHER WE PROVIDE THAT AS OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, BUT ALSO IN ORDER FOR WORK TO BE DONE, FOR FUNDS TO BE EXPENDED, TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THAT FINANCIALLY. 
          AND SO EVEN IF WE CAN DIM A BUILDING, IT JUST MEANS NOBODY CAN OCCUPY IT. 
          AND WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO TEAR IT DOWN IN SOME CAPACITY OR TRYING TO FORCE THE OWNER TO DO IT. 
          IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THE WORK, COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE ON THE, THE FUNDS THAT GO TOWARDS THAT. 
          AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO SEE IT. 
          THEY'LL HAVE TO SEE A REPORT AND IT, IT TIES INTO IT. 
          CAN WE GET AMANDA'S OPINION ON IT? THAT THAT'S GENERALLY, THAT'S FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL PERSON, A PROCESS. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THAT IF WE CONDEMN IT, YOU HAVE TO READ THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T DEMOLISH. 
          AND ONE OF 'EM IS THE CITY CAN DO THE WORK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY RIGHT. 
          MY, BUT IT'S, IT'S RARELY, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN A CITY GO TO DISTRICT COURT TO CONDEMN. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT, JORDAN. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO DISTRICT COURT FOR CONDEMNATION. 
          IT'S, UM, MY ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT COMMENT WAS THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WORK AS A CITY BECAUSE OF PROCUREMENT, LAW COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE FUNDS, UM MM-HMM . 
          UNLESS IT'S UNDER $5,000, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING I'M ALLOWED TO SIGN FOR. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ARE MADE AWARE OF IT REGARDLESS. 
          UM, I'M SURE 'CAUSE OUR ATTORNEY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED AS WE DO SOME OF THIS DOCUMENTATION, THE ATTORNEY WILL BE BRIEFING AS WELL. 
          IT'S A PRETTY OPEN COMMUNICATION PROCESS. 
          UM, TO AN EXTENT IT, THERE'S NOT A LACK OF INFORMATION FLOWING BETWEEN THE BODIES. 
          UM, IS ALL THEN, THEN I'M RIGHT BACK TO MY SAME COMMENT. 
          IF WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THE APPEAL PROCESS OFF THE BOARD AND WE'RE WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO COUNSEL FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF THE CONDEMNATION AT THEIR NEXT MEETING AT THAT TIME IS WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY CAN VOTE TO PROCURE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PAY TO TEAR IT DOWN. 
          I WON'T SPEAK FOR COUNSEL. 
          UH, MS. CHA IS, YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT, UH, IT, THAT COULD BE A LITTLE SLIGHTLY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS AGENDIZED IN TIME. 
          MEANING THAT ONCE IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA AND Y'ALL MAKE A DECISION, AND SOMETIMES THESE CONDEMNATIONS, UH, THEY'RE RARE, BUT SOMETIMES THEY ACTUALLY NEED A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. 
          IT MAY NOT ALIGN WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO GET IT AGENDIZED IN TIME. 
          SO, UM, THE 30 DAYS, LIKE FRANK WAS SAYING, UH, IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR THE APPEAL, BUT I ALSO LIKE, I REALLY DO LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU, YOU'RE BASICALLY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO AGREE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND YOUR FINDINGS THAT IT SHOULD BE CONDEMNED. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT WAY IT KIND OF REMOVES THE, THEIR ABILITY TO APPEAL AND THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO APPEAL IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY TO SUE THE CITY AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IT, IT IN, IN, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES WHEN, UH, THESE THINGS POP UP THAT COULD ACTUALLY TAKE TOO LONG. 
          SO I'M NOT REAL SURE, UH, HOW JORDAN FEELS ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THESE THINGS. 
          I MEAN, NORMALLY CONDEMNING A BUILDING TAKES A LONG TIME. 
          I MEAN, IT'S YOU, I MEAN YOU'VE GIVEN 'EM NOTICE AFTER NOTICE, AFTER NOTICE, AFTER NOTICE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WAITING TWO WEEKS TO GET BACK ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL. 
          UM, UH, I'LL, I'LL LET Y'ALL, Y'ALL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          UM, FOR ME, UH, ONCE IT GETS TO A CONDEMNED POINT AND IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SIX MONTHS A YEAR AND, UH, THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED NORMALLY. 
          UM, ANOTHER TWO WEEKS ISN'T GONNA BE A BIG DEAL. 
          I'LL SAY THAT. 
          UH, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE A PERMIT TO POUR THAT BUILDING DOWN REGARDLESS. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO COMPLY WITH OUR LAWS, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA COMPLY WITH A PERMIT EITHER. 
          IT'LL FORCE, UM, DEMO. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S RARE, UM, I HAVE SEEN CITIES DO IT. 
          Y'ALL OKAY WITH APPEAL TO COUNSEL? I THINK WE HAVE TO. 
          YEAH. 
          SUPER. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LANGUAGE ON 74, 75. 
          [02:25:45]
NOTHING ON 76. 
          77. 
          I GOT SEVEN. 
          SEVEN. 
          YOU GOT, I GOT SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ON 77. 
          SHOOT. 
          AND YOU JUST NEED SOMETHING STRAIGHT ME OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 0.3, 0.1, 2 1 5 VIOLATIONS. 
          ANY OWNER OPERATOR, PROPERTY MANAGER OR PERSON EXERCISING CONTROL OVER A DANGEROUS BUILDING, STRUCTURAL PREMISES WHO FAILS TO COMPLY WITH A LAW FLORIDA ISSUED UNDER THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE GUILTY OF MISDEMEANOR. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD CHARGE AN OPERATOR OR PROPERTY MANAGER WITH THE MISDEMEANOR WHEN HE MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS. 
          'CAUSE HE DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          HE MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. 
          HE'S MERELY THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT LEGALLY WE COULD, MAYBE SOMEBODY'S LOOKED THROUGH THIS AND MAYBE WE CAN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE STORE MANAGER OR THE MANAGER OF THAT PROPERTY WHO'S NOT THE FINAL SAY IN IT AND HITTING HIM WITH A MISDEMEANOR BECAUSE THE OWNER HASN'T GIVEN HIM THE FUNDS TO DO WHAT THE CITY'S ASKING. 
          UM, I THINK, WELL, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LAWFUL ORDER MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE'S CLEAN UP THIS PILE OF TRASH. 
          WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RETIRED COP IN ME. 
          IT SAYS, WELL, I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHOEVER'S, HOW DO YOU, WHOEVER YEAH. 
          WHOEVER'S GIVING THIS ORDER TO THIS PERSON HAS TO BE, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE THAT ORDER. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT CAN YOU GIVE THAT ORDER TO A PROPERTY MANAGER? WELL, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE AN OWNER? BUT IT ALSO SAYS, OR PERSON EXERCISING CONTROL OVER UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO IT COULD SAY ANY OWNER OR PERSON EXERCISING CONTROL, BUT IT ALSO SAYS OPERATOR OR PROPERTY MANAGER. 
          I JUST WONDER IF THOSE TWO WORDS NEED TO COME OUT. 
          BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG. 
          MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT, I'M WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO STEER ME. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ENCOMPASS ALL EVERYBODY JOB TITLE THAT THEY COULD BECAUSE IF, IF YOU'VE GOT A JOB SITE AND YOU AREN'T THE OWNER OR THE SUBCONTRACT, YOU ARE JUST THE, THE, UM, THE SUPER FOR THE HOUSE AND YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON SITE MM-HMM . 
          YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE WHEN OSHA COMES OUT AND GIVES YOU A LINE, A LINE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE, COMPETENT SPACE ENTRY EQUIPMENT THAT GOES TO THE OWNER, NOT THE GUY GETTING IN THE MAMMAL. 
          SURE. 
          SO THIS TO ME IS THE SAME THING. 
          IT GOES TO BOTH. 
          IT, IT GOES TO JORDAN. 
          JORDAN, THIS IS YOUR, YOUR PROPOSED, YOUR, YOUR HALLS IT PROPOSED CHANGE. 
          SO THE INTENT IS TO COVER EVERYBODY. 
          UM, WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE CORPORATIONS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          IN THE CITY OF GERALD, WE HAD A TRENCH COLLAPSE ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM GOT HIT WITH FINES FOR NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE THEY CONTRIBUTED TO IMPROPER, UNSAFE WORK CONDITIONS. 
          UM, THAT RESULTED IN, UM, TO BE FAIR, TRAGIC LOSSES. 
          UM, AND SO IT CORPORATE COULDN'T HIDE BEHIND, OH, WELL MY GUYS ARE OUT IN THE FIELD. 
          WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THE GUYS ON THE FIELD COULDN'T SAY, OH, WELL CORPORATE TOLD US TO DO IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, WHEN THERE IS LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED A LAWFUL ORDER AND THAT YOU CAN'T CLAIM IGNORANCE WHEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING'S GOING ON. 
          UM, AND STANDING IN THE WAY OF IT BEING RESOLVED IS NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA CUT IT. 
          DAVE, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO THROWING SOMEBODY IN JAIL. 
          I'M NOT SOLVED . 
          I JUST, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE RIGHT. 
          SOMETIMES THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THE OWNERS AREN'T GIVING THEM THE FUNDS TO DO, HE MAY HAVE ALL THE BEST INTENTIONS, BUT HIS CHOICES WOULD THEN BE LOSE HIS JOB BECAUSE HE QUITS OR TAKE A MISDEMEANOR WHEN THE OWNER WON'T GIVE HIM THE THOUSAND DOLLARS HE NEEDS TO BRING A DUMPSTER IN AND DO A SITE CLEANUP. 
          SO I JUST, I WASN'T SURE HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY HIT SOMEBODY WITH A MISDEMEANOR ON THAT WHEN THEY'RE NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH IT, I'M FINE. 
          I'M, I'M GOOD. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK THE QUESTION. 
          IT'S THE BURDEN OF PROOF. 
          OKAY, DAVE? YES SIR. 
          THIS IS THIS, THIS IS STA I'M GOING TO GET TO HER, BUT I'M STAYING ON MR. SCHNEIDER FOR THE MINUTE THIS IS ADDED. 
          THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SAYS THE OWNER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          PERIOD. 
          [02:30:10]
SO SECTION A TALKS ABOUT THE OWNER, THEN THE NEXT SECTION, ARE WE ADDING THAT SECTION OR REPLACING? ADDING? WE'RE ADDING TO IT AND STAFF HAS SUGGESTED WE ADDED AS SHE, AS THEY INDICATED. 
          WHY? OKAY. 
          IF IF THEY WANT AN ATTORNEY'S GOOD WITH IT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. 
          I WAS JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WE COULD DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE CAN, I DON'T, IF YOU TELL, IF YOU TELL A PROPERTY OWNER, A PROPERTY MANAGER MM-HMM . 
          OF A BURNED OUT BUILDING, IT'S GONE. 
          THE BUILDING'S BURNED OUT AN APARTMENT LIKE THE ONE ON BON, VANESSA, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN OR WE'RE GONNA CITE YOU FOR A MISDEMEANOR AND THEY GO, THAT'S DAVE'S POINT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU SEE, YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THE INTENT IS TO CITE THEM WITH A MISDEMEANOR. 
          IT'S THE FACT THAT IF WE ARE IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER, THEY CAN'T SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          THERE'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAT WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE TO WHEN YOU CAN'T SKIRT THE RULES. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          IT'S AN UMBRELLA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S ALL IT WAS INTENDED TO BE. 
          THE EXAMPLE FOR ME IS LISTENING TO FRANK, IS IF YOU HAD AN, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND NUMBER ONE A HAD A KITCHEN FIRE AND THE FRONT DOOR WAS BROKEN DOWN AND SO NOW YOU HAVE A BURNED OUT APARTMENT WITH A BROKEN DOOR AND YOU'VE ASKED THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO SECURE THE DOOR 'CAUSE KIDS ARE GOING, COMING AND GOING RIGHT? WHEN THE PROPERTY MANAGER DOESN'T DO IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE OWNER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU JUST GO TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S YOUR FINES. 
          WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WE'LL BRING ANOTHER BOOK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER WILL SECURE THE DOOR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, AND IT'S, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH LARGER CORPORATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S HARDER TO GET THAT PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S EASY WHEN THEY'RE LOCAL AND WE KNOW HOW TO TRACK 'EM DOWN, BUT, UH, THE BIGGER YOU GET, THE HARDER IT GETS TO FIND THAT PERSON. 
          AND SO WHOEVER'S ON SITE AT THE DAY THAT CAN SOLVE DAY-TO-DAY THINGS, THAT'S WHO WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH TO GET THINGS EFFECTIVELY MITIGATED. 
          IT PUTS THE ONUS ON THEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON 77TH? THAT'S IT. 
          DID WE HAVE A AND AN AMENDMENT SOMEWHERE? IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF WORDING THINGS. 
          WASN'T IT A GYM PICKED UP ON? SOUNDS LIKE A GYM MUSCLE . 
          THE, THE AS FOLLOWS WAS ABOUT THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER. 
          UM, YEAH, THERE IS ALSO, UM, SO WE HAVE THE AS FOLLOWS ON 66 AS WELL AS SWITCHING 21 TO 24 ON 68. 
          YEAH. 
          SAY, SAY AGAIN. 
          UM, ON PAGE 68, UM, SWITCHING 2021, INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE TO 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND THE OTHER ONE, UH, PAGE 66, UM, STRIKING, UH, AS FOLLOWS AND THEN PUTTING A SEMI FURTHER DISCUSSION CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE . 
          COME ON JIM. 
          UH, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, THE RED LINE AS PRESENTED WITH THE TWO CHANGES FOR ARTICLE THREE FORM 1200 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, SUBSTANDARD AND DANGEROUS BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. 
          SECOND, I'LL SECOND. 
          SO MOTION IS SECOND. 
          MR. COBLE, UH, CLARIFICATION FOR THE MOTION MAKER AND THE SECONDER. 
          YOUR MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THIS SECTION BE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY. 
          IT'S IS SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT IS THAT, WELL WE ACCEPT THIS AS WRITTEN WITH THOSE TWO CHANGES AND, AND RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL 
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THAT THEY ADOPT IT. 
          I SECOND IT. 
          MOTION IS SECOND CLARIFICATION. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NEXT ITEM IS, UH, CONSIDER, DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATION LIST OF CURRENT PROPERTIES THAT MAY POTENTIALLY BE UNSAFE AND REQUIRE ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          I THINK CAN WE RECESS FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES? THAT'S FINE. 
          AND YOU FORGOT TO OH GOODNESS. 
          I FORGOT. 
          I'M SORRY, AMANDA, WE HAVE YOU GOT COMMENTS ON THE PROPERTY? I DO NOT. 
          I HAVE, UH, COMMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, BUT MY HAND STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S RAISED. 
          BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR GETTING THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, I, I'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THESE PROPERTIES MYSELF, SO, BUT I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT. 
          SO Y'ALL MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS, UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ITEM AND THERE ARE MORE OUT THERE. 
          WE DID YOU, I'M SORRY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. 
          BILLING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION WILL COME BACK TO ORDER AT, UH, NINE 11. 
          UH, ITEM 
          [V.3. Consider, discuss, and take action on recommendation of the list of current properties that may potentially be deemed unsafe and require action from the Commission. ]
FIVE THREE. 
          CONSIDER AND DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ON THE LIST OF CURRENT PROPERTIES THAT MAY POTENTIALLY BE DEEMED SAFE AND REQUIRE ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          JORDAN COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO COMPILE A LIST. 
          MY, UM, ASSUMPTION IS THAT THINGS LIKE THIS HAVEN'T BEEN DEALT WITH IN A WHILE WITH SOME STAFF TURNOVER. 
          UM, AND SO ESSENTIALLY TONIGHT WE HAVE PROVIDED A SMALL LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          HOWEVER, WE HAVE A MUCH LARGER ISSUE AT PLAY. 
          UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA LET, UM, MR. DUANE TAKE OVER ON THIS ONE. 
          BUT THE QUESTION FROM US IS HOW DO YOU WANT THESE THINGS PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE FUTURE? UM, PACKAGED EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE, LITTLE BITS HERE AND THERE. 
          MOST SERIOUS PROBLEMS. WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS IS, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK IN THEORY NEXT MONTH, A FULL REPORT OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU AS A BOARD AND A COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE MUCH MORE THAN THE PACKET INDICATES. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GUYS NEED FROM US. 
          YES, DAVE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING FROM US? ARE WE GOING TO BE MAKING A LIST PER PROPERTY OF WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RECTIFY IT? ARE WE JUST VOTING TO GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST TO RECTIFY IT? WHAT'S OUR LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT? UM, SO WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU IS A, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? LIST A WISHLIST OF EVERYTHING YOU WANNA SEE HOW YOU WANT IT ORGANIZED, WHAT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION AS A BOARD ON THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON. 
          UM, AND SO TODAY, NOTHING IS EXPECTED OUT OF THE LIST. 
          WE DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING TO BE MADE WITH THE LIST PRESENTED TO YOU. 
          THE INTENT WAS TO SHOW THAT YES, WE'RE STARTING TO IDENTIFY THESE PROBLEMS. UH, BUILDING HAS A BIGGER LIST THAN WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET. 
          UM, BUT MOVING FORWARD, HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH, WHAT DO Y'ALL NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO START TAKING ACTION? OKAY, SO MY QUESTION WAS A LONG-TERM QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          HOW DO WE WANT IT BROUGHT, BROUGHT TO US? AND I THINK WHAT YOU DID IS, THIS IS GREAT. 
          WE GO OUT TO SEE IT. 
          WE GOT YOUR LIST. 
          EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAW, A LOT OF US IN CONSTRUCTION HAVE SEEN WE GET MM-HMM . 
          BUT WHAT, WHAT ULTIMATELY WILL WE BE DOING, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ARE WE GOING TO BE DICTATING TO YOU WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO THESE PROPERTIES WITH AN INDIVIDUAL LIST? SAY, REMOVE THE REBAR, CLEAN THE WEEDS, PICK UP THE TRASH. 
          ARE WE GENERATING THE LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THIS PROPERTY? OR WILL YOU BE MAKING THAT LIST? AND WE ARE JUST GOING TO SAY WE AGREE OR DISAGREE. 
          SO WHAT ARE IN INTENT OR WE ARE WE, ARE WE JUST GOING TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY? YOU ARE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          OKAY. 
          PARDON ME, DAVE. 
          SO, JORDAN, THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          SO OUR INTENT IS, UM, LET'S GROUP THESE THINGS TOGETHER. 
          UH, BECAUSE SOME ARE NOT SALVAGEABLE, UM, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          THEY'VE BEEN SITTING TOO STAGNANT. 
          AND SO THE GROUPS MAY BE CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE CLEANED UP. 
          'CAUSE IT'S TRASH, DEBRIS, WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S ONE GROUP. 
          WE'LL HANDLE THAT INTERNALLY. 
          BUT THEN WE MAY HAVE A LIST THAT SAYS, WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT CONDEMNATION ON THESE. 
          HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? UM, WHAT I, WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SLABS THAT HAVE BEEN POURED AND NEVER BUILT ON HOW DO WE WANNA HANDLE THAT? UM, HOW DO WE WANNA MOVE 
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FORWARD? BECAUSE THE LAB'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD ANYMORE AND NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT ON IT. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE MAY BE A GROUP, YOU KNOW, THERE IN OF THEMSELVES. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HOW DO YOU WANT THIS INFORMATION PRESENTED IN A WAY THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING DECISIONS? UH, DO YOU WANT GROUPS? DO YOU WANT JUST A MASSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING WITH A PRIORITY RATING? UM, WHAT'S NEEDED? DO WE WANT MAPS? DO WE WANT, LIKE I SAID, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US PER I, PARDON ME, DAVE, YOU THREW, SO I, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US IS PERFECT. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS ARE EVERY BIT AS CAPABLE OF ANYBODY ELSE HAS SAID WHICH ONES ARE HIGHEST PRIORITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I WOULD SAY BRING US THE ONES THAT ARE THE WORST FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          BRING 'EM TO US IN GROUPS. 
          THE FOUR OR FIVE LIKE YOU'VE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I STILL NOT, I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT ONCE YOU GIVE ME THIS. 
          LET'S SAY WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE, WE JUST SAID, AND IT'S THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, YOU HAND ME THIS ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU? WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE? TO AN EXTENT? EXTENT? OR ARE YOU GONNA GIMME A LIST AND YOU'RE, YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          DO YOU AGREE AND CAN WE PROCEED FORWARD? WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING IS PROVIDING A LIST OF ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, RANKED FROM HIGH PRIORITIES TO LOW, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE CAN HANDLE INTERNALLY. 
          AND THEN WE WILL PROBABLY ASK FOR CONDEMNATION ON SOME OF THOSE HIGHER, BIGGER ISSUES AND START WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THAT. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS A MONETARY COMPONENT TO THAT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT. 
          UM, AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT CONTRACT LABOR IS WHEN YOU GET IT IN BULK, IT'S USUALLY CHEAPER. 
          UM, AND SO IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT LISTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE GUY THAT'S JUST RIPPING OUT SLABS, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S 5, 10, 20. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT HAS TO DO FULL DEMOS ON PROPERTIES AND IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND MAKING SURE THE LIENS GET THROUGH CORRECTLY. 
          UM, AND SO THE, WHAT THE BOARD WILL DO WILL BE DEPENDENT UPON THAT LIST, BUT IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION WHETHER WE INTERNALLY HANDLE IT OR MOVE TOWARDS CONDEMNATION. 
          AND I, AND IT'S, AND IT IS JUST MINOR THINGS, CLEAN UP JOB SITE THINGS. 
          YOU MAY DO IT YOURSELF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE IT'S UNDER 5,000. 
          WE MAY NOT EVEN SEE THOSE. 
          UH, WE'LL REPORT BACK IF THINGS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. 
          UH, BUT PURCHASING LAW SAYS THAT ANYTHING UNDER FIVE, WE DON'T, UM, HAVE TO GET APPROVED. 
          WELL, CERTAIN SIGNATURES FOR. 
          SO, UH, WE CAN HANDLE THAT INTERNALLY. 
          BUT THE, MY INTENT IS THAT THE LIST IS A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT. 
          UM, AND AS THINGS GET CLEANED UP, WE NOTE THAT AND NOTE THAT IT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE. 
          UM, AND WHEN THINGS ARE MORE SERIOUS, THE PROGRESS OF THAT 'CAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROGRESS, AS MS. CHAVARRIA SAID. 
          UM, JUST KEEPING EVERYBODY UPDATED AND IN THE LOOP. 
          IF THAT'S A, A MONTHLY REPORT THAT COMES WITH ALL OF OUR MEETINGS, THAT'S OKAY AS WELL. 
          UM, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. 
          IS THAT THE WANT OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, JUST LET US KNOW WHEN STUFF IS DONE OR WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WORKING WITH THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. 
          UM, AND SO THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK BUILDING, UH, I KNOW ESPECIALLY, UH, MR. DUANE HERE HAS NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IN HIS TENURE HERE. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR ALL OF US. 
          AND, UH, MR. WEST HAS RAISED HIS HAND AS WELL. 
          MR. PARDON ME, MR. MR. EXCUSE ME. 
          RES MR. WEST, HAVE YOU GOT A RESPONSE TODAY TO MR. SNYDER? YES. 
          IF IT'S GONNA BE A CONDEMNATION DEAL, Y'ALL WON'T GET THE ADDRESS UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO HEAR IT, TO BE CONDEMNED, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THIS TRAINING LAST WEEK WITH OUR ATTORNEY. 
          Y'ALL ARE NOT TO DRIVE BY THERE OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE Y'ALL A BIASED OPINION ON THAT. 
          SO THE ONLY THING Y'ALL WILL REALLY BE SEEING IS Y'ALL ARE A QUASI JU JUDICIAL BOARD. 
          Y'ALL WILL BE MAKING THE FINAL DETERMINATION IF IT SHOULD BE CONDEMNED OR NOT. 
          IT'LL BE UP TO STAFF TO MAKE THAT CASE TO Y'ALL. 
          AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL HAVE TO DEFENDANT, HOWEVER THEY SO CHOOSE. 
          AND I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT FROM THE TRAINING, THEY ONLY HAVE 10 DAYS TO APPEAL AND THAT APPEAL, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE FINAL DECISION LIES WITH Y'ALL WHEN THEY GO TO APPELLATE, THEY HAVE TO APPELLATE TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          NOBODY ELSE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME, WE'RE STILL ON DAVE'S POINT. 
          LET ME RESPOND TO THE, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID. 
          WE JUST LOOKED AT THE SECTION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT DEALS WITH THESE KINDS OF PROPERTIES. 
          THE APPEAL IS 30 DAYS, BUT THEY CAN STILL APPEAL. 
          I NO, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A MISTAKE THERE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEWLY NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE BRAD SAID LAST WEEK THAT THERE'S ONLY 10 DAYS TO APPEAL AND IT DOES NOT APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT APPEALS TO, UH, DISTRICT COURT. 
          LET ME, IS STILL, 
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STILL, WELL, OUR RECOMMENDATION, WELL, EVEN WITHOUT IT, I'M SORRY. 
          EXCUSE SECTION MR. BEL, 3.1210, UH, DUTIES OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS DOWN SECTION E. 
          IF BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION ALLOWS THE OWNER OR PERSON WITH AN INTEREST OF DANGEROUS BILLING MORE THAN 30 DAYS TO REPAIR OR MOVE, I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ISSUE WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ON THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT WE DISCUSSED, WHICH WAS IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE APPROVED, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH APPEAL MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          PREVIOUSLY OUR RECOMMENDATION, HOW LONG WAS THE APPEAL? IT'S 30, NOT 10. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FOR HIM TO APPEAL. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE STATE LAW. 
          THAT'S THE POINT. 
          BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY 10 DAYS BY THE STATE LAW AND WE CAN'T OVERRIDE STATE LAW. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME A SECOND TO GET BACK TO THIS. 
          I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION HERE IS WHAT WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE FROM STAFF WHENEVER WE BRING SOMETHING TO YOU THAT IS A PROPERTY THAT NEEDS TO BE CONDEMNED. 
          IF IT GOES BEYOND US BEING ABLE TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH OUR NORMAL CODE, CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, AND IT COMES TO THAT POSITION TO WHERE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ABATED OR WHATEVER, THEN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT FORM OR HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT IT PRESENTED TO YOU, JORDAN? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER ON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE A POINT NOT RELATED TO THIS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, BUT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SAID IN THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ON PAGE 74 OF THE RED LINE. 
          IT IS A, IT IS JUST A CHARLES, IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL ISSUE. 
          NOW, IF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT WANTS TO GO BACK TO THAT ITEM, WE CAN, BUT CLEARLY IT SAYS IT'S 30, NOT 10. 
          I THINK WHAT MR. WEST IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHOEVER MAKES THE FINAL DECISION, THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO TAKE IT TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          DISTRICT COURT. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE COUNSEL BEING AN APPEAL BOARD THAT 30 DAYS GETS REMOVED AND IT'S 10 TO TAKE US TO DISTRICT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I GOT 10 DAYS. 
          I, I, I THINK THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFLICT THERE. 
          I THINK THE FINAL DECISION OF THIS BOARD IS FINAL, UNLESS IT IS APPEALED TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          THEY DON'T GET TO APPEAL THE DECISION Y'ALL MAKE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE A JUDICIAL BODY. 
          YOUR DECISION IS FINAL ON CONDEMNATION. 
          UNLESS THEY APPEAL IT TO DISTRICT COURT. 
          CHARLES HAS NOT, THEY DON'T GET VOTE COUNSEL. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT CHARLES. 
          PARDON ME? THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS, NOR WHAT THE STAFF BROUGHT TO US TONIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE, THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH WHAT WE RECOMMENDED AND WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, CAN I GO? SO NO, I DON'T, I MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THE RECOMMENDATION Y'ALL HAVE MADE TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY LEGAL COUNSEL, WHICH WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION TOMORROW NIGHT, IS LET LEGAL 
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COUNSEL REVIEW THIS BEFORE COUNSEL TAKES ACTION ON IT. 
          AND IF THE 30 DAYS IS GOOD, THE 30 DAYS IS GOOD. 
          BUT IF I RECOLLECT MY RECOLLECTION'S RIGHT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY GET TO APPEAL A DECISION MADE BY THIS BOARD WHEN IT COMES TO CONDEMNATION OF PROPERTY. 
          IF Y'ALL DETERMINE THAT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNSAFE AND UNINHABITABLE, YOUR DECISION IS FINAL AND THAT PROPERTY REMAINS IN THAT STATE UNTIL THE OWNER TAKES CARE OF THE PROBLEM. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM IN X NUMBER OF DAYS, THEN THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO GO IN THERE AND ABATE THE PROBLEM ITSELF, WHICH WILL TAKE COUNCIL ACTION TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FUNDS ALLOTTED FOR THIS. 
          WHICH IS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DO IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, IS WE WILL ALLOT X NUMBER A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BE GO TOWARDS THE DEMOLITION OF HOUSES OR PROPERTY TO CLEAN IT UP FOR THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT AREN'T DONE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE DEALING WITH ONE NOW THAT WAS DONE IN 23 THAT THE CITY SPENT OVER $200,000 CLEANING UP AND STAFF FAILED TO FILE THE LIEN. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS CHARLES, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED. 
          NOW, IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE THAT ISSUE UP ABOUT APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL, YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          THE CITY MANAGER'S SPEAKING TO YOU HA WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM V TWO. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON WHO'S PART OF THIS MEETING, CAN SHE NOT, WHEN THIS COMES IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, MENTION TO THEM THAT WE WERE WORKING ON INFORMATION THAT MAY BE INCORRECT AND ASK THE ATTORNEY TO CLARIFY THE APPEAL PROCESS AND MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT AS REQUIRED. 
          BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE CHARLES IS BACKING UP WHAT YOU SAID, STATE SAYS CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T GET A LOOK AT IT. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THAT'S WHAT BRAD SAYS, THEN WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT. 
          I DON'T DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION OR CAN AMANDA TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN SHE'S REMAIN? IT'S, IT'S TOO MANY, TOO MANY ISSUES. 
          IT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE, THE ITEM OWNER THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING IS HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE EXISTING PROBLEMS THAT STAFF IS NOW DOING, WHAT I WOULD REPORT AS A GOOD JOB. 
          UH, NOW IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED YOU WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT, THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER WHAT WE RECOMMENDED. 
          I WOULD NOT GO THERE PERSONALLY. 
          I, AS, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, IF THEY, AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE IF WHEN IT GETS TO THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS, YOU CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I SO I WOULDN'T GO BACK TO IT. 
          NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I I WOULD OPPOSE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER YOU'RE WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          JIM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ISSUE IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH AMANDA? I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA AGREE WITH DAVE THAT, UM, I, THAT WAS, I WAS NOT GONNA RECOMMEND Y'ALL, UH, DISCUSS ANOTHER MOTION. 
          BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF THE INFORMATION THAT I TAKE BACK IS ALWAYS GONNA BE DISCUSSED WITH LEGAL. 
          UM, AND LEGAL IS ALSO GONNA SUPERSEDE THIS. 
          SO, UM, IF STATE LAW SUPERSEDES THE THE 30 DAY RULE, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO WITH THAT. 
          UM, SO, UH, YEAH, SO, AND IF WE GET, IF, IF, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WHAT CHARLES WAS SAYING IS CORRECT AS WELL, THAT ONCE Y'ALL MAKE THE DECISION, IT DOES BECOME FINAL. 
          Y'ALL ARE A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO APPEAL. 
          BUT I'LL GET THAT CLARIFIED TOMORROW WITH BRAD. 
          UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE, UH, MAKE A FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, I ALSO DID WANNA CHIME IN, UM, AND SAY THAT EVEN WHEN THERE IS CONDEMNATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE 
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WE HAVE TO GIVE THE COMPLIANCE WINDOW. 
          AND THEN EVEN AFTER THEY, AFTER THEY FAIL, OR IF THEY DON'T FAIL TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT COMPLIANCE WINDOW, WHICH IS NORMALLY 10 TO 30 DAYS AFTER THE CONDEMNATION, THEN THERE STILL HAS TO BE NOTICE FOR A DEMOLITION HEARING. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT, IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND JORDAN IS PROBABLY REALLY WELL, UH, AWARE OF HOW LONG THIS, THIS CAN TAKE MONTHS, MONTHS, UM, BEFORE THESE THINGS CAN GET HANDLED. 
          ABOUT 90 DAYS. 
          DAVE, WE WERE ON, WHAT DO YOU, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION WAS, WHAT DO YOU, YOU ASKED STEPH, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US, JEFF? I, AND I, I THINK I CAN SPEAK MOSTLY FOR THE, FOR THE, THE DIOCESE. 
          WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS JUST LIKE ANY KIND OF A TRIAL LAY, LAY OUT FOR US. 
          WHEN, WHEN DID THEY FIRST GET THE PERMIT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE WANNA KNOW EVERY SINGLE PERMIT AND EVERY SINGLE, BUT THE ONES THAT YOU SEE PERTINENT, THEY GOT THE PERMIT IN, YOU KNOW, 2018. 
          AND THEN WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN? CONSTRUCTION STOPPED AT A CERTAIN DATE. 
          YOU CONTACTED THEM, THEY DIDN'T ANSWER. 
          YOU SENT A SECOND LETTER, WHATEVER DOCUMENT THE TIMELINE FOR US. 
          'CAUSE SO WE CAN SEE YOU'VE, YOU'VE CROSSED THE T'S AND DOTTED THE I'S AND THERE'S NO RESPONSE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          DAVE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          OKAY. 
          LAURA, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS LIST IS, FIRST OF ALL,  A HUNDRED, 200. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UH, UH, THE OTHER DAY I WENT JUST ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN AND I FOUND ABOUT 15 PROPERTIES. 
          BUT THOSE 15 CONSIST OF, OF AREAS THAT ARE BURNED OUT, AREAS WHERE FORM WORK IS STILL SITTING, REBARS STILL SITTING, BUT IT'S ALSO AREAS AND THIS YOU MAY NOT NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN, BUT THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO AREAS WHERE BUILDINGS ARE HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THEN JUST ABANDONED. 
          SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DO SOMETHING STRUCTURED KINDA LIKE A SPREADSHEET FOR YOUR LIST? 'CAUSE I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE WHERE YOU, UM, SHOW THE ADDRESS, OBSERVE CONDITIONS, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND FINDINGS. 
          UM, JUST I SEE THAT YOU USE THAT ON EACH OF THESE AND THAT GIVES US A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SETTING PRIORITIES. 
          SO IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF GOT SOME IDEAS ON LEVELS OF PRIORITY FOR US TO MAKE, UM, UH, FOCUS ON. 
          YES. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          AND, AND I AM PUTTING THE LIST TOGETHER. 
          I AM PUT MAKING IT TO WHERE THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF QUESTIONING. 
          THIS IS FIRE. 
          CAN WE PRESENT THESE TWO BUILDINGS ARE FIRE JUST BURNOUTS AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THOSE AS, AS ONE PACKAGE. 
          IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR, UH, A CLEANER VOTE. 
          AND IT ALSO MAKES IT EASIER TO BID OUT BECAUSE LIKE, UH, JORDAN WAS SAYING, WE CAN GET CHEAPER BIDS IF WE HAVE MORE PRODUCT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I AM ALSO IN, I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY MR. WEST AND MR. BACK. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          I'M DONE. 
          I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND MY POINT. 
          NO, IT, I THINK THE, THE HAND RAISE AND SOMETHING IN REFERENCE TO WHAT, UM, DWAYNE SAID. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING IS NOT APPROPRIATE, THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT AND NOT SETTING ON REALISTIC EXPECTATION. 
          APPRECIATE IT, MS. CH. 
          YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON, UM, ON, ON, ON POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE, WHEN WE WERE BRINGING THESE SPREADSHEETS, UH, FORWARD. 
          UM, I I WOULD LIKE, UH, Y'ALL'S OPINION ON IF, UM, IF IT INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT FORECLOSURES OR POTENTIAL, UM, MULTIPLE LIENS, UH, ON THESE PROPERTIES ALREADY. 
          UH, IF, 'CAUSE IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE PROCESS OF CONDEMNING SOMETHING AND THEN ALSO HAVING TO, UM, MITIGATE IT OR, UM, DO OUR OWN DEMOLITION ON SOMETHING, UM, AND PUT ANOTHER LIEN ON A PROPERTY. 
          IF WE'RE LIKE THE FIFTH OR SIXTH LIEN HOLDER AND WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOUP OUR MONEY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, AS WELL AS, UH, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING THROUGH A FORECLOSURE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S JUST MY TALK, FEW OF MY TALKING POINTS. 
          I THINK MISS, UH, MR. WEST HAD A COMMENT TO MAKE AS WELL. 
          CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH. 
          ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH. 
          YES SIR. 
          SURE. 
          DWAYNE, DWAYNE MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT 
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GRIPPING THESE TOGETHER. 
          EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL VIOLATE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY HAS TO BE DONE ON ITS OWN MERITS. 
          YOU CAN'T GRIP 'EM TOGETHER. 
          NOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE FIVE OR SIX THAT YOU BRING IN AT THE SAME TIME AND HAVE 'EM ALL CLEANED UP AT THE SAME TIME, BUT EACH CASE HAS TO BE HELD SEPARATELY. 
          YOU CAN'T GROUP 'EM ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE EACH PROPERTY MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERS, BUT EACH PROPERTY HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AND I, WE ARE DOING THAT. 
          UM, I, I WAS JUST HOPING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEM AS A GROUP EACH INDIVIDUALLY LAID OUT. 
          AND MY QUESTION, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS ENOUGH, IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE LIENS THAT DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS THE CONDEMNATION, CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONDEMNATION, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT PRESENTS THE, THE, UM, CITY WITH A, WITH A, WITH A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES, UM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE DEMOLITION HEARING ITSELF. 
          BECAUSE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ON DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, BUDGETING AND, AND MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTING SOME OF THIS OUT, IF WE'RE GONNA BE THE THIRD OR FOURTH OR FIFTH LIEN HOLDER ON A PROPERTY, UH, WE MAY NEVER SEE THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM IT. 
          UM, SO IT MAY, IT MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE, UH, FOR US TO DO THAT AT THAT POINT. 
          SO THAT, UM, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          IT WOULD BE, RIGHT. 
          SO IT, IT WOULD BE IN INTERESTING TO, UM, NO, THIS INFORMATION BEFOREHAND, BEFORE WE START DOING THE WORK. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, WHEN, WHEN WE START PULLING THESE ADDRESSES, UH, IF THERE'S MULTIPLE LIENS ON THE PROPERTY OR, OR IF THERE'S PENDING LAWSUITS AGAINST THE PROPERTY OR THE BUILDER, WE KIND OF NEED TO, PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS IF IT'S GOING THROUGH THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS. 
          US, MR. CHAIR, DAVE, DAVE, I GOT, I GOT ONE MORE. 
          SO WHEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE BRINGING MOSTLY THE CONDEMNATIONS TO US, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A SET OF LAWS SOMEWHERE THAT DESCRIBES WHEN YOU CAN, OR WHAT DICTATES WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE. 
          WILL WE BE GETTING THOSE MM-HMM . 
          WHICH ONES, WHICH PARTICULAR LAW OR RULE THAT YOU ARE BASING YOUR DECISION ON? SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT SO THAT WE KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS CORRECT OR IT'S NOT THAT BE INCLUDED MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, IN THE FINDING SECTION, UH, SAME THING WE DO WITH P AND ZBOA, UM, THE REQUIRED INFORMATION FOR MAKING THAT DECISION WILL BE PROVIDED WITH REFERENCE TO STATE LAW. 
          JUST ANOTHER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          DAVE, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TRY TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS. 
          IN THE ORDINANCE, WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE BACKUP IS A LIST OF CITY, OR EXCUSE ME, STATE LAW VIOLATIONS OKAY. 
          WITH ME ON THAT MM-HMM . 
          WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT MM-HMM . 
          AND WHAT'S IN THE PACKET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE PACKET DOES NOT LIST OR ADDRESS THE CURRENT CODE STANDARDS FOR DECLARING IT DANGER OR, OR UNSAFE. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YOU WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT? WHAT I THINK WE NEED FOR AT SOME POINT FROM THE STAFF IS REFERENCES TO THOSE STANDARDS ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE PACKET AND THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NONE OF THESE, IN MY MIND, UHHUH JUSTIFY CONDEMNATION. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE. 
          BUT TO TELL SOMEONE YOU'RE GONNA COME AND RIP OUT THEIR ENTIRE SLAB THAT YOU DON'T DO THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S EXPOSED REBAR, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO REMEDY THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY TIMELINE COMES INTO PLAY. 
          WE WILL PROVIDE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'M JUST, I DON'T WANT US MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE GONNA GET KICKED BACK BY A LAWYER IF WE SHOULD GET THAT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE OKAY CONDEMNING IT. 
          AND THEN WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT FITS THE BILL. 
          LET'S DO IT, CHARLES. 
          YEAH. 
          TO COMMENT. 
          OH, I THINK Y'ALL GET, Y'ALL ARE COVERING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOST OF THE SIMPLE CODE ENFORCEMENT STUFF'S GONNA BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          Y'ALL WON'T SEE ANYTHING UNTIL IT COMES TIME TO START CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, A CODE, A GOOD CODE CASE, IT, IT'LL TAKE UP TO 180 DAYS TO 220 DAYS TO GET ONE COMPLETELY THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH. 
          MM-HMM . 
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90, JEFF. 
          WELL THAT'S, I WAS JUST SAYING IT, IF WE GET THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S BEEN DONE CONNECTING US UP TO HERE, THAT ANSWER, I THINK THAT WILL ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          HERE'S ALL OUR VIOLATIONS. 
          WE'VE NOTIFIED THEM ABOUT THESE FOLLOWING VIOLATIONS ON THIS DAY, THIS DAY, AND THIS DAY. 
          AND THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED, OR, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH. 
          I THINK I'M CONFUSING CONDEMNATION WITH ACUTE TEAR, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          LEMME, I MEAN, WE, WE MAY NOT TEAR IT DOWN, BUT WE'RE TELLING YOU YOU CAN'T CONTINUE ANYMORE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND AND YOU MAY BE GOING TO DO IT ALREADY, JOANNE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          BUT INSTEAD OF TELLING US THE ADDRESS, DON'T TELL US AN ADDRESS THAT'S FINE. 
          OR HIDE IT. 
          . 
          I MEAN, WHAT MY POINT IS, IF WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BY THERE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE IT. 
          I KNOW. 
          I'VE SEEN EVERY ONE OF THESE. 
          I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I JUST DRIVING THROUGH LAGO, YOU SEE THEM. 
          YEP. 
          SO IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SYSTEM, I DON'T GIVE IT A NUMBER, WHATEVER, THAT WAY WE CAN'T BE HELD, UH, THAT WE'VE GONE AND DONE SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T. 
          THERE'S THE TWO ISSUES HERE, CHARLES AND JORDAN, ON WHAT WAS JUST STATED. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS WE CAN'T GO BY PROPERTIES AND LOOK AT THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THE CITY STAFF HAS GIVEN US DOCUMENTATION AND PICTURES AND DOCUMENTATION OF VARIOUS PROBLEMS. THE THOUGH NONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ON AN AGENDA SPECIFICALLY FOR ACTION. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S ILLEGAL ANYMORE FOR US TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT 'EM THAN IF I DRIVE BY THE 15 PROPERTIES THAT I'VE BEEN DRIVING BY FOR YEARS. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. 
          SECOND, I THINK YOU'RE MISINTERPRETING. 
          IT'S WHEN THE CASE IS GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE Y'ALL, YOU SHOULDN'T GO BY THERE AND START DOING YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REMAIN BIASED OR UNBIASED IN THIS AS A NEUTRAL PARTY AND HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE CASE. 
          LET ME, CHARLES, THANK YOU. 
          LET ME, LET ME STAY WITH YOU WITH CHARLES. 
          WHEN THAT CASE GETS ON OUR AGENDA, WE CERTAINLY CAN DRIVE BY IT, CORRECT? NO, WHEN IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA AS A CASE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING, YOU SHOULDN'T DRIVE BY THERE. 
          NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T, BUT IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT COULD CREATE THAT YOU'RE BIASED ON THAT YOU'RE NOT NEUTRAL. 
          AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT THE ATTORNEY WAS SAYING, CAN'T STOP YOU FROM DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE GOING OUT AND DOING YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION WORK BECAUSE YOU NEED TO REMAIN NEUTRAL UNTIL YOU HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, OKAY, LET, GOT IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I I MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS TRYING TO GIVE SOME STAFF ABOUT HOW WE WOULD APPRECIATE THEM TO PROCEED. 
          NOW, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF, WHICH IS THE BEST DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH STAFF SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING AFTER IT, THEY ESSENTIALLY HAVE THREE CATEGORIES. 
          TWO OF 'EM PROBABLY WON'T GET TO US, ONE OF 'EM MAY, WHICH IS A BUILDING THAT IS DANGEROUS. 
          SOMEBODY CAN GET HURT BECAUSE THIS BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IS THERE. 
          YOU'RE WITH ME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TO ME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRIORITY. 
          THERE MAY BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE OUT THERE. 
          ONE OR SIX. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE MAY ULTIMATELY END UP GETTING INTO, SO-CALLED CONDEMNATION PROCESS. 
          BUT FOR PURPOSES OF OUR INFORMATION AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU GUYS HAD THREE CATEGORIES, RIGHT? IT MAY BE MORE, IT MAY BE MORE BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH IT, BECAUSE AS I'M, AS I'M BUILDING THIS, 
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IT, IT IS APPARENT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY CATEGORIZE IN JUST THREE SECTIONS. 
          SO THERE MAY BE MORE, BUT YOU MAY ONLY SEE ONE OR TWO OF THEM. 
          WELL PUR FOR PURPOSES OF CONDEMNATION. 
          BUT FOR PURPOSES, THE, THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION HAD BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          FOR, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE FROM THEM? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST FIVE THAT ARE THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED. 
          FIRST, THE REASONS WHY THEY FEEL THOSE PROPERTIES NEED TO BE CONDEMNED WITH THE LEGAL BACKUP FOR IT. 
          AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY'VE MADE IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT, THE WAY THAT THEY'VE SET IT UP FOR US. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST THINK THEY, I, EXCEPT I, I WOULD HOPE THEY REFERENCED OUR CURRENT CODE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MR. ROBERTS. 
          SO I HAVE A LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN THROWN OUT AND LET'S JUST GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRACKING. 
          SO A SPREADSHEET WE'D LIKE TO SEE ANY FORECLOSURES, LIENS, LAWSUIT INFORMATION PER PROPERTY, A REFERENCE TO LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL LAWS AS IT APPLIES TO THE BUILDING NOT BEING, UM, STANDARD. 
          UM, NO ADDRESSES. 
          FIND A NUMBERING SYSTEM. 
          UM, PRIORITIES. 
          TIMELINES. 
          AM I MISSING ANYTHING? UH, YEP. 
          TIMELINES, UH, INCLUDING INSPECTION TIMELINES. 
          AM I WELL IN THE TIMELINE? I'M, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ACTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST SO THAT WE CAN, I WOULD HATE TO, TO, TO CONDEMN A HOUSE AND COME TO FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS NO LEGWORK DONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF WE JUST HAVE WHAT YOU GAVE US TODAY, WE DON'T SEE ANY LEGWORK. 
          I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M DOING NOW IS I'M GOING BACK INTO MGO OR THEIR PERMITTING AND I'M SEARCHING FOR PERMIT NUMBERS, DATES OF INSPECTIONS, LAST DATE OF THE LAST INSPECTION, UH, ANY KINDS OF, OF, UH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, STUFF OF THAT NATURE. 
          I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GROUP ALL THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN WE PRESENT IT TO YOU, IT IS A COMPLETE PACKAGE. 
          UM, WILL I FORGET SOMETHING? I HOPE NOT, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY AND COMPLETELY EXHAUSTIVE AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN EXHAUSTIVE, COMPREHENSIVE LIST. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S BEEN SEVEN INSTANCES OF CODE VIOLATIONS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THE, THE MAJOR ONES IS FINE. 
          YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          JUST SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT THIS, THIS HOW WE GOT HERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          DAVE, WILL YOU BE TRYING TO REACH THE PROPERTY OWNER BEFORE IT COMES TO US? AND HOW MANY TIMES? UM, THE, THERE HAVE BEEN LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT OUT TO ALL, LET ME REITERATE, TO A MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN QUESTION CURRENTLY. 
          AND I WILL BE APPLYING THOSE LETTERS TO THE PACKAGE AS WELL. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE TAKING OUT THE ADDRESSES. 
          I'LL BLACK OUT THE ADDRESSES, BUT THOSE WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          AS LONG AS WELL AS IF WE HAVE RECEIVED THEM THE RECEIPT OF THE, UH, UM, CERTIFIED MAIL. 
          THEY HAVE TO SIGN IT. 
          AND SO WE GET THE RECEIPTS WHEN THEY'VE SIGNED THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED IT, SO THEY CAN'T SAY IT GOT LOST. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE ALMOST COMPLETELY DONE WITH ALL OF THAT STUFF IN IT. 
          THE OTHER THING I HAVE ON THE LIST IS THE LEGAL FINDINGS THAT WOULD JUSTIFY MOVING TO CONDEMNATION. 
          I KNOW IT'S REFERENCED IN STATE LAW. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PULL IT JUST AS A, A POINT TO DISCUSS DURING THE PROCESS. 
          UM, ARE WE MISSING ANYTHING? UM, IT'S PRETTY LONG LIST,  AND I AM REFERENCING LOCAL CODE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT, OKAY. 
          UNLESS I'M MISSING A STEP, YOU'RE GONNA DO YOUR PART, YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT TO US. 
          IF YOU'VE REACHED OUT AND CONTACTED THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY DON'T, THEN IT COMES TO US. 
          WILL WE HAVE THE, WILL THE PROPERTY OWNER EVER BE IN FRONT OF US THE FIRST TIME WE SEE IT? OR WOULD THAT ONLY BE, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO US, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE HERE FOR THAT? THERE'S A CHANCE THEY'LL BE HERE. 
          SO THEY'LL RECEIVE A NOTICE THAT WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH CONDEMNATION AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED ON X DATE TO TALK TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO NOT SHOW UP, IT, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WILL OUR ATTORNEY BE GIVING THE GRAVITY OF THAT? WILL THE ATTORNEY BE WITH US FOR THAT MEETING? I WOULD ASSUME, 
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AND OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE REVIEWING EVERYTHING THAT WE PROVIDE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AS MR. WEST HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE WORKING ON A LIEN FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S CONFLICTING INFORMATION REGARDING, UM, LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO, TO DO CERTAIN LIEN PROCEEDINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, TO MAKE IT CLEAN ACROSS THE BOARD, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO RECOUP OUR COSTS. 
          WILL LEGAL WILL ABSOLUTELY BE INVOLVED. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO YEAH, TO YOUR POINT ON THAT, AS FAR AS STATUSES, SOMETHING THAT KIND OF MIMICS THE PROCESS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR COUNSEL. 
          UM, JUST KIND OF LIKE THE TIMELINE THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          FURTHER COMMENTS ON NUMBER THREE, JIM. 
          SO I THINK I HAVE THIS, WE, WE HAVE A CONDEMNATION HEARING AND WE CAN DEAL IF THEY WANT TO APPEAL, THEY APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          NO. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH REGARDING THE TIMELINE AND PROCESS. 
          IF YOU ARE THE ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY FOR CONDEMNATION, THE ONLY PERSON THEY CAN APPEAL TO IS DISTRICT COURT. 
          THEY HAVE TO SUE US. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF OUR ORDINANCE IS LEGALLY COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW. 
          THAT'S THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER. 
          THAT'S WHAT OUR COUNSEL PERSON WILL TAKE TO THE ATTORNEYS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE ATTORNEY WILL LET US KNOW. 
          AND, AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          IF, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THAT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST SINCE 2007 THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS, BUT AESTHETICS HAS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          WHATEVER. 
          IT'S WHATEVER THE MOST RECENT ATTORNEY'S OPINION IS  AND EVIDENT. 
          EVIDENTLY MORALS WAS IN THERE FOR A WHILE TOO. 
          AND I, AND I, AND I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT CONCEPT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO APPEALS TO CITY COUNCIL PERIOD. 
          BUT JIM, MS. CAN'T HEAR YOU SHOULD LOST HER VOICE. 
          UH OH. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE MIC'S ON. 
          CAN'T HEAR. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON. 
          BUT DID OUR MEETING RUN OVER THE ALLOTTED TIME LIMIT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AND  AUTOMATICALLY SHUT DOWN 'CAUSE THAT'S HAPPENED JUST BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW WE MUTE. 
          YOU CAN'T HEAR IT, BUT IT'S SOFTLY PLAYING, CLOSING TIME. 
          NO, SERIOUSLY THAT YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LETTING HER IN HER VOICE. 
          SHE'S TALKING BUT IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SHE SAID DON'T WORRY ABOUT WE CAN'T, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A GREEN RING. 
          IS IT LONG? CAN SHE TYPE IT IN? THE COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT APPARENTLY WE CAN'T HEAR OUR, WE'VE STILL GOT TRIAL. 
          CITY COUNCIL LIAISON. 
          ANY FURTHER ISSUES? DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? OH, SOMETHING WAS PASSED. 
          SHE SAID PAST IN SEPTEMBER, 2025. 
          PARDON ME? UH, MS. SORRY. 
          MS. SHERY HAS SAID, UH, PAST IN SEPTEMBER, 2025. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE'S REFERRING TO. 
          YOU DID GET THE GUY ON 21 8 0 2 CARDINAL'S ATTENTION. 
          'CAUSE HE'S GOT A DUMPSTER AND A BACKHOE OUT THERE TODAY. 
          OH. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S TENT CAMPING IN THE BACKYARD AT A STATE LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO SHE'S SAYING THE LAW REGARDING APPEALS WAS PASSED IN 2025. 
          UM, IT WAS A HOUSE BILL AND SO IT, IT PROBABLY WAS NOT UPDATED, UH, IN OUR CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          YOU GOT A THUMBS UP? YEAH. 
          . 
          I'LL HAVE TO GO BY WHAT, I'LL HAVE TO GO BY CARDINAL TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY CHANGED A BUNCH OF STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ITEM NUMBER FOUR TO 
          [V.4. Consider, discuss, and take action on the Annual Report to City Council.]
CONSIDER, DISCUSS, AND TAKE ACTION ON THE INJURY REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE CHAIR WOULD PROPOSE TO BRING A DOCUMENT TO YOU AT OUR NEXT MEETING CONCERNING THAT, THAT WILL WORK WITH STAFF IF THAT'S AGREEABLE WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S AGREEABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS IS THERE ANY FURTHER ACTION 
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DISCUSSION? CAN MAKE A MOTION ISSUES. 
          YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION? YES, SIR. 
          I AM. 
          . 
          MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE MEETING TO AMEN. 
          AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S, I THINK YOU WERE, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SECOND. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          ALMOST IN FAVOR. 
          WE'RE OUTTA HERE. 
          OH.
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