Jun 04, 2026 City Council

[ I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

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CONVENE THIS SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. WELL, LET ME CALL TO ORDER. I HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. I HAVE MISS CHAVARRIA ONLINE AND I BELIEVE IS CHARLES LOGGED IN AS WELL, OR HE WILL BE FIRST ACTION WILL BE WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONVENE

[ II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[ III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]

THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING IN THE EVENT THAT A PARTICULAR AREA IS NOT CURRENTLY ZONED AS A PARK, BUT IT IS INTENDED TO BE A PARK AND AND THE CITY MAY MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING. YOU MAY BEGIN AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROCESS AND WHATNOT. BUT BEFORE YOU COULD OPEN IT AS A PUBLIC PARK, YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, NUMBER ONE, IT MATCHES YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, IF IT NEEDED REZONING, YOU WOULD NEED TO REZONE IT AS WELL. THOSE PROCESSES CAN OCCUR CONCURRENTLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP YOU FROM PROCEEDING ON FUNDING. IT COULDN'T BE OPENED AS A PUBLIC PARK AT THAT UNTIL THAT OCCURS. THOSE WOULD BE PREREQUISITES. BUT YES, YOU MAY PROCEED ON FUNDING. WHAT ELSE WAS THERE UNDER THE REGULAR AGENDA? CLARIFICATION ON THE HOT FUND. YES. WE WE DISCUSSED KIND OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU CAN SPEND HOT FUNDS ON. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A HOT FUND APPLICATION FOR ARCHERY FACILITY. OKAY. AND SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE THE ARCHERY FACILITY IS FAIRLY UNIQUE AND IT OFFERS FEATURES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE IN, IN CERTAINLY IN THIS REGION.

AND, AND THERE IS AN EVENT THAT'S BEING SPONSORED OR HELD THERE AND ADVERTISED. AND THERE WAS A HOT FUNDS APPLICATION DUE TO THE NATURE OF KIND OF THE UNIQUENESS OF IT. AND, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED PERCENTAGE OF, OF NON LARGO RESIDENTS WHO WOULD COME AND PARTICIPATE. THAT IS THE TYPE OF EVENT THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDING. NOW, OF COURSE, STATE LAW LIMITS THE AMOUNT, LIMITS THE KINDS OF CATEGORIES UNDER WHICH YOU MAY EXPEND THOSE HOT FUNDS. IT CAN CERTAINLY BE EXPENDED ON ON ADVERTISING. IT CAN BE EXTENDED ON CERTAIN KINDS OF ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS IF THEY RELATE DIRECTLY TO THE PROMOTION OF THE TOURISM. IN THE EVENT WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BRING IN, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO EXPEND SOME OF THAT ON SOME FACILITIES AND SOME MATERIAL, BUT THAT BECOMES LIMITED UNDER STATE LAW. SO IT JUST GETS A

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AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX CITIZEN COMMENTS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH

[ VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

WELL, GUESS WHAT? THEY DID THE SAME THING TO BRONCO LANE. THEY PAVED THE ROAD, TOOK OFF THE STRIPES, TOOK OFF THE REFLECTORS. AND I GET TO TELL YOU MORE THAN ONCE HAD SOMEBODY

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THANK YOU. MR. WEST, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YES. STAFF IS ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS. THAT'S THE ONE OF THE PART OF THE FINISHING UP THAT FINAL PHASE OF THE PAVING.

THERE'S SOME STRIPING AND REFLECTORS THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND MR. WEST WILL KEEP UP TO DATE ON THAT. SOMETHING'S DONE ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT I HAD. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I AM TIRED OF WONDERING IF ANYONE IS REALLY LISTENING. RECENTLY, THE CITY SENT A REFUND CHECK TO THE WRONG ADDRESS. NOW THAT BY THE SELF ISN'T THE END OF THE WORLD.

PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, I MAKE MISTAKES, YOU MAKE MISTAKES. THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAD ALREADY GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. WE CLARIFIED IT. WE MADE SURE THEY GOT THE RIGHT ADDRESS. WE FOLLOWED UP ON THE ADDRESS AND SOMEHOW IT STILL WENT TO THE WRONG ADDRESS. EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID, WE'VE GOT IT. AND THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART OF THAT ISN'T JUST THE CHECK GOING TO THE WRONG PLACE, IT'S JUST THE FEELING OF OF COURSE IT DID, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS AROUND HERE. EVERY TIME WE THINK WE FIGURED OUT THE RULES, THE RULES SEEM TO CHANGE, AND EVERY TIME WE GET TO THE FINISH LINE, SOMEONE MOVES IT. EVERY TIME A MISTAKE IS MADE, SOMEHOW IT BECOMES OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX IT. AT SOME POINT, YOU STOP FEELING LIKE A RESIDENT AND YOU JUST FEEL LIKE AN OBSTACLE IN THE WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS IMPROVE PROPERTY, BUILD PROJECTS, ADD TO THE TAX BASE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE. YET ADDING TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST BURDEN IN THIS LITTLE TOWN. THE CRAZIEST PART OF ALL THIS IS THAT SOLUTION BASED THINKING IS THE LAST THING TO BE FOUND HERE. HOW DOES A PROPERTY OWNER REMOVING ILLEGALLY DUMPED DEBRIS ON HIS OWN LOT EVEN BECOME A PROBLEM? PROBABLY WHAT THE CITY IS UPSET THAT THEY NO LONGER GET TO USE THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN OPERATIONS ANYMORE. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO ANY OF THIS, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT RESIDENTS ARE PAYING ATTENTION LIKE A LOT OF A LOT OF A LOT OF ATTENTION. I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DAVID, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AS WELL OR ARE YOU JUST DONATING TIME? OKAY, THEN I HAVE DAVID WORKING AND TO CLARIFY, IT SAID ALL ITEMS. ARE YOU SIGNING UP FOR EVERY AGENDA ITEM OR JUST TO DISCUSS? I'LL RAISE MY HAND. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW DAVID VAUGHN LURKING. I HAVE NOTES THAT I'M JUST GOING TO POP FROM. THERE'S I HAD DONATE DONATED TIME FROM EITHER MARIO OR ORTEGA, ONE OF THOSE. BUT. JUST SOME ITEMS TO ADDRESS KIND OF RALLYING OFF OF THAT. THE WRONG CHECK SITUATION. LAST COUNCIL SESSION I BROUGHT UP THAT NOTHING WAS MOVED FORWARD FROM OUR END, AND AFTER I MADE MY COMMENTS, I WAS TOLD NO. WE DID SEND OUT A CHECK AND WE DID GO TO SEND AN APPROVALS. AND THAT IS THE THEME OF THE COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN BETWEEN LAGO VISTA AND BUILDERS OR RESIDENTS OF. WE DID THE THING.

IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE. WHAT THING DID YOU DO? IT WAS THE WRONG THING AND HAPPENS BOTH WAYS.

AND IT'S THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION, THE ADDRESS THE CHECK GOT SENT TO SOMEONE WHO'S NO LONGER PART OF THE COMPANY, WHICH IS WHY THE PERSON GETTING THE OVER $10,000 CHECK, I BELIEVE, MADE IT CLEAR. I MADE IT CLEAR. AND THEN IT WAS MADE CLEAR IN EMAIL AND WE CHECKED AGAIN. BUT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, I'M HAMMERING A DEAD HORSE. THE PERMIT STILL HAD THERE'S BEEN NO EXPEDITION. THERE'S BEEN HEY, COOL. OUR OUR PERMIT THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED GOT SENT IN AND IT GOT FAILED FOR HEY, WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS LOT. YES. THAT'S THE WHOLE HERE WE ARE AGAIN. LACK OF COMMUNICATION. THEY DIDN'T TELL THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTORS ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITUATION. IT'S NOT EXPEDITED IF IT TAKES FOUR TIMES LONGER. I HAVE HAD THREE NEW PROJECTS GET APPROVED IN THE MEANTIME THAT I SUBMITTED AFTER THIS EXPEDITED ONE, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BEFORE. WHAT ELSE THEN? THEN YOU GET INTO, I THINK I TOUCHED ON THIS LAST WEEK, AND IF WE WAITED FOR WITTED FRUITED, THERE'S NO PERMITS FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE A FOUNDATION REPAIR OR FOR REMOVING ILLEGALLY DUMPED MATERIAL. THIS IS THREE TIMES RELEVANT IN THIS LAST MONTH. YET THEY ASK YOU TO GO GET A PERMIT FOR IT. YOU COULD GO APPLY FOR A SMALL JOBS PERMIT, WHICH YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A NON-POINT PERMIT. IT'S ALL VERY VAGUE AND ALSO HAS NO GUIDELINES OR WORKFLOW. SO WE DO THAT. GO GET APPLIED FOR IT.

YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THE SAME WAY.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GO REMOVE MATERIAL, THE CITY ILLEGALLY DUMPED ON A LOT. HEY, YOU CAN'T REMOVE OUR STUFF. OKAY, WELL THEN CITY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND YOU REMOVE IT? IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET AROUND TO THAT. OKAY. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? OKAY. NEVER MIND. PEOPLE ARE CALLING IN AND COMPLAINING THAT WORKS BEING DONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOU TO PAY FOR A 6 TO 8 FOOT TALL FENCE TO BLOCK IT ALL OFF. IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY IF WORK IS BEING DONE WITH THE PERMIT AND IS LEGAL AND IT IS ALLOWED. I AM SORRY IF THE CITY GETS CALLS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO PAY EXTRA MONEY. THAT'S NOT IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING I'VE MISSED. HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THEN YEAH, I'LL GO DO THAT. SURE. BUT BECAUSE YOU GET SOME CALLS OF PEOPLE BOO HOOING ABOUT WORK BEING DONE, THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING IT'S ILLEGAL WORK BECAUSE THAT HAS HAPPENED A LOT.

IT'S NOT A BAD THING. YOU CAN JUST TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S A PERMIT. BUT FOR THAT TO BE EXPECTED TO I SPEND MORE MONEY IS KIND OF ASININE. AGAIN, THE POINT OF PERMITS IS ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS AND PERMITS AND EVERYTHING IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZEN, NOT TO GIVE UNBRIDLED AUTHORITY AND VAGUE MAN HANDLING POWER TO A MUNICIPALITY. THE GUIDELINES ARE TO PROTECT. NOT SO YOU CAN JUST TWIST THEM, TWEAK THEM. AND WHEN SOMEONE GETS APPROVED FOR A NON-POINT PERMIT, NON-POINT POLLUTION PERMIT TO SAY NEVER MIND, YOU NEED A WORK PERMIT TO REMOVE THE MILLINGS THAT WE DUMPED ON YOUR LOT. THEN TWIST IT. WILL YOU NEED THIS? IT'S JUST ALL OF THE TWISTING AND CONTORTING AND THEN NOT RESPOND UNTIL THURSDAY AT 4:59 P.M. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT'S. IT'S NOT. YOU CAN'T CALL IT A COINCIDENCE WHEN IT'S HAPPENED 47 TIMES. ALSO, YIELDING TO PARTIES THAT DON'T HAVE CONTEXT. IF YOU GET A BUNCH OF CALLS OR COMPLAINTS, ADDRESS THEM, BUT YOU CAN'T GO WRITE CITATIONS OR GO ENACT AUTHORITY BECAUSE PEOPLE CALLED IN ABOUT SOMETHING THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT. YOU HAVE TO EDUCATE BOTH PARTIES. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, ACT ON IT. WHEN THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM, YOU

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REVIEW PROCESS. I TOTALLY STOPPED READING OFF MY NOTES, BUT THE LAST THING I'LL SAY I'VE NEVER EVEN ONCE OUT OF 15 PERMITS OR SOMETHING, NOW HAD A SINGLE TIME WHERE I'VE HAD A SINGLE REVIEW OR INSPECTION APPROVED THE FIRST TIME BY DUANE. AND I'VE ALSO NEVER HAD A SINGLE TIME WHERE IT WASN'T THEN APPROVED IMMEDIATELY. WHEN I COME BACK TO TOWN HALL AND SAY, DID YOU EVEN LOOK AT IT? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SECOND SENTENCE. BOTTOM LEFT. I'VE DONE THIS 14 TIMES ON THIS SPECIFICALLY. IT'S NOT THERE. GO LOOK. OKAY, IT'S THERE EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT IT'S NOT. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN EITHER IGNORANCE OR HARASSMENT. THEY GET TO CHOOSE ONE. YOU DON'T GET NEITHER. THAT IS IT. NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK. THANK YOU. MR. VAUGHN, I HAD ONE QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY HAD ILLEGALLY DUMPED SOMEWHERE. DO YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS OF THAT PROPERTY YOU CAN SHARE WITH US? IT'S 6311 LOMAN. FORWARD THE ALL OF THE ASPHALT THAT IS STACKED UP THERE IS JUST FROM YEARS OF THE CITY STAGING ITS MATERIAL. WE STILL HAVE CITY STAFF COME UP AND SAY, NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR PROPERTY. JUST TODAY THEY TRIED TO HIT US WITH THE CITATION SAYING WE WERE WORKING IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE SURVEYS AND PLATS AND EVERYTHING. WE HAVE PICTURES OF WHEN IT WAS DUMPED AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE REQUESTS OF PLEASE GET YOUR STUFF OFF OF MY PROPERTY. I COULD I COULD SEND THAT TO YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CONVEY TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE BUILDINGS SUPPORT SUBCOMMITTEE, THE ITEM IS ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO ADD THE MEMBER ON JUNE 18TH. AND IN BETWEEN THEN, WE'RE WORKING ON TIMES TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT UP AND RUNNING, AND HOPEFULLY, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM TODAY ON OUR AGENDA THAT CAN START TO PROVIDE CLARITY. THANK YOU. DONATE TIME, MONEY, ASSISTANCE, ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD HERE FOR MR. GREG THOMAS. OKAY. DOES HE WANT ME TO READ IT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS GREG THOMAS. I'M A BUILDER WITH EXPERIENCE ACROSS MULTIPLE STATES, INCLUDING MICHIGAN, TEXAS AND OHIO. I'VE BUILT ROUGHLY 355 HOMES ACROSS 35 DIFFERENT BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, WITH AN AVERAGE SALE PRICE AROUND 800,000. I'VE HELD BUILDER LICENSES IN OTHER STATES, WORK WITH MANY PERMITTING OFFICES AND DEALT WITH PLENTY OF STRICT REQUIREMENTS. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO BE CLEAR. LAGO VISTA HAS BEEN THE MOST DIFFICULT PLACE I'VE EVER TRIED TO BUILD. THIS IS NOT NORMAL. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PROCESS WHERE THE GOALPOSTS MOVE THIS OFTEN, WHERE RESPONSES ARE DELAYED THIS CONSISTENTLY, AND WHERE VERBAL DIRECTION OR PROMISES ARE LATER DENIED AS IF THEY WERE NEVER SAID. WE HAVE HAD REPEATED SITUATIONS WHERE FILES WERE CLAIMED NOT TO BE UPLOADED EVEN AFTER THEY WERE.

WE HAVE BEEN TOLD ONE THING, ACTED ON IT AND THEN LATER BEEN TOLD SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE HAVE HAD BASIC ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. EVEN THINGS LIKE PAYMENT MAILING ISSUES BECOME DRAWN OUT. PROBLEMS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SIMPLE TO RESOLVE. THE RESULT IS THAT PROJECTS SIT TIED UP, UNFINISHED AND DETERIORATING. THAT HURTS ME AS A BUILDER, BUT ALSO HURTS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THE CITY ITSELF. WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST IS THAT TECHNICAL DETERMINATIONS ARE SOMETIMES BEING MADE OR ENFORCED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT APPEAR TO HOLD THE LICENSES OR CERTIFICATIONS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE DECISIONS. BUILDERS ARE THEN PLACED IN THE IMPOSSIBLE POSITION OF TRYING TO SATISFY SHIFTING DEMANDS FROM STAFF, WHILE ALSO RELYING ON LICENSED ENGINEERS AND PROFESSIONALS WHOSE WORK SHOULD CARRY PROPER WEIGHT. I'M NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT. I AM ASKING FOR A FAIR, PREDICTABLE, PROFESSIONAL PROCESS. IF SOMETHING IS MISSING, IDENTIFY IT CLEARLY. IF STAFF GIVES DIRECTION, STAND BEHIND IT AND WITH LICENSED PROFESSIONALS, PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION. DO NOT LET THE PROCESS BECOME AN ENDLESS LOOP OF DELAY AND CONTRADICTION. I WANT TO FINISH MY PROJECTS. I WANT THESE PROPERTIES COMPLETED, CLEANED UP AND ADDED TO THE TAX BASE. BUT THAT CANNOT HAPPEN IF PROJECTS ARE CONSTANTLY TRAPPED IN UNCERTAINTY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT HOW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS OPERATING, BECAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS NOT REASONABLE, NOT EFFICIENT, AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH A CITY THAT CLAIMS IT WANTS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I WILL MOVE ON TO PROCLAMATIONS.

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[ VII. PRESENTATIONS & PROCLAMATIONS]

CERTIFICATE RECOGNITION. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. THIS IS A RECOGNITION OF A 40TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY, WHEREAS THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN RECOGNIZING RESIDENTS WHO EXEMPLIFY DEDICATION TO FAMILY, COMMUNITY, AND THE SHARED VALUES THAT STRENGTHEN OUR CITY.

AND WHEREAS MAYOR PRO TEM NORMA OWEN AND ROBERT OWEN JUNIOR WERE UNITED IN MARRIAGE ON JUNE 7TH, 1986, BEGINNING A LIFELONG PARTNERSHIP MARKED BY DEVOTION, PERSEVERANCE AND MUTUAL RESPECT.

AND WHEREAS, OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS, THEY HAVE BUILT A LIFE TOGETHER THAT REFLECTS THE SPIRIT OF LAGO VISTA SUPPORTIVE, RESILIENT AND COMMUNITY MINDED, SERVING AS AN INSPIRING EXAMPLE TO FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND WHEREAS REACHING THE RUBY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY IS A REMARKABLE MILESTONE THAT DESERVES RECOGNITION AND CELEBRATION FOR THE LOVE, COMMITMENT, AND SHARED PURPOSE IT REPRESENTS.

NOW. THEREFORE, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS EXTENDS ITS WARMEST CONGRATULATIONS TO NORMA AND ROB ON THIS UPCOMING JOYOUS OCCASION AND HONOR THEIR 40 YEARS OF MARRIAGE AS A TESTAMENT TO ENDURING PARTNERSHIP AND THE VALUES THAT ENRICH OUR COMMUNITY.

CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD JOB HUBBY. VERY GOOD. DID OUR BEST TO KEEP THAT A SECRET. OKAY. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS, Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. I WILL MOVE TOWARDS THE NEXT ITEM THAT HAS THE MOST PEOPLE I SEE SIGNED UP FOR IT, WHICH. WE WILL GO TO ITEM TEN ONE CONSIDER AND DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-06-04-02. AMENDING CHAPTER THREE BUILDING REGULATIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THE ONE I HAD THE MOST PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR? SORRY. THIS IS A COMP PLAN. ONE

[XI.1. Consider, discuss, and take action on the Draft City of Lago Vista Comprehensive Plan and the Comprehensive Plan Subcommittee Recommendation.]

I WOULD LEAVE IT TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE A FORMAL PRESENTATION. AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PNC HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO THEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE THAT WILL REQUIRE A PRESENTATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS WE DIDN'T TASK THEM WITH THAT. BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE I GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, THEN LET ME GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. FIRST UP, I HAVE LORI DICK. ACTUALLY, YOU GIVE YOUR THREE MINUTES TO DAVE STEWART. SO DAVE STEWART. OKAY,

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THANK YOU, MR. PRINCE. YEAH. SO AS LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE SOME CONTEXT. AND MR. STEWART, YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING. YOU WERE IN POLAND AT THE TIME, SO YOU WEREN'T THERE TO GET THIS CONTEXT EITHER. THE THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING OF MAY 14TH IN THE AGENDA. THIS IS ACTION ITEM 6.3. LET ME READ YOU THE LANGUAGE OF THE ACTUAL AGENDA. IT SAID DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THAT LANGUAGE WAS THE PROBLEMATIC LANGUAGE. IT SPECIFICALLY SAID IN IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE AGENDA, THAT THE DISCUSSION WAS TO BE ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IN THE PACKET, THE PLANNING AND ZONING PACKET, THERE WAS MORE MATERIAL, BUT THAT WAS MORE THAN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. AND SO SO THE GUIDANCE THAT CHAIR, MISS

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WE NEED TO HAVE WE NEED TO MAKE FORWARD PROGRESS ON THIS TOPIC. AND BECAUSE OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES OF THE WAY THINGS WERE POSTED, A ROBUST DISCUSSION DID NOT DID NOT HAPPEN. AND SO WE AS COUNCIL NEED TO DECIDE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS TOPIC TONIGHT, GIVEN THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS DIDN'T GET AS FAR AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE IN THEIR LAST, LAST SESSION, AND I'LL ASK JORDAN, MISS STROHMEYER, IF I CAPTURED THAT ACCURATELY, OR YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. AS ALWAYS, WE'RE HERE TO HELP IN WHATEVER WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WE CAN. SO. MR. STEWART. SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IF I HAVE AN AGENDA AND I WRITE SOMETHING THAT FAVORS MY AGENDA, I CAN RULE OUT ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, IF THAT'S INDEED WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. AND THIS THING SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUSHED BACK TO ANOTHER P AND Z TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO PROPERLY INPUT ON IT, RATHER THAN RAMRODDING SOMETHING THROUGH WHICH HAS OBVIOUS FAULTS IN IT. I MEAN, IT'S THIS WHAT, WHERE, WHERE? WHY ARE WE IN A RACE WITH TIME THAT WE WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT RIGHT? AND I'D JUST ADD, I THINK THAT THE STAFF DID A GOOD JOB IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THIS REPORT AND JUST SIMPLY STATING THAT THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CURRENT DRAFT DOCUMENT, RECEIVE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK TO DATE, DISCUSS THE OVERALL STATUS OF THE PLANNING EFFORT, AND PROVIDE ANY DESIRED POLICY DIRECTION REGARDING THE NEXT STEPS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS COUNCIL'S GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE SEE YOU ARE AND HERE'S WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO, AND I HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO. AND I PUT SOME COMMENTS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD TO TRY TO LIMIT MY CONVERSATION UP HERE.

COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OFF OF MR. STEWART'S COMMENTS? OTHERWISE, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT CITIZEN. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ROBERT RUGGERIO. I DON'T SEE ROBERT IN THE CROWD. SEE YOU ONLINE. OKAY. IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO JEFF HUGHLEY. I'M JEFF HUGHLEY, A CITIZEN OF LAGO VISTA. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A FEW MINUTES TO TALK. I THINK WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMMENTS THAT DAVE MADE A FEW MINUTES AGO. I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANGLE ON IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE THOSE WORDS TO YOU. FIRST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PACKET TODAY ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THERE'S TWO PIECES OF IT.

ONE IS THE DRAFT THAT STAFF HAS ASSEMBLED AND THAT PNC HAD REVIEWED IN FEBRUARY. THE SECOND PART IS THE VERY LAST PAGE OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IS WHAT WE CALL THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT PNC VOTED TO REFER TO YOU TODAY. SO I'LL BE REFERRING TO BOTH OF THOSE AS I GO ON. NOW,

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AND THEN I CHANGED MY VOTE AFTER HAVING DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONERS. NOW, REVIEWING THE MATERIAL AGAIN, I REALIZE MY ORIGINAL. I WOULD VOTE TO NOT REFER THIS TO YOU, BUT HERE WE ARE. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHY I WAS OPPOSED TO THAT.

I DO SUPPORT REFERRING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT ITSELF TO YOU. I THINK THE STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. THEY'RE FOLLOWING GUIDANCE THAT WE DISCUSSED THE COUNCIL AND PNC IN A JOINT SESSION LAST OCTOBER, DISCUSSED TOGETHER, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION REALLY WELL. MY CONCERN IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY PREPARED BY THE PNC SUBCOMMITTEE. WHEN I SAY PLACE TYPES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PHRASE WE'RE USING THAT PRETTY MUCH CORRELATES TO WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY CALLED LAND USE CATEGORIES. THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S VERSION COLLAPSES FOR PLACE TYPES INTO TWO. IT COMBINES THE QUARTER ACRE LOTS WITH THE 1 TO 2 ACRE LOTS, AND IT COMBINES THE 2 TO 3 ACRE LOT PLACE TYPE WITH THREE ACRE LOTS. WHEN YOU GROUP SUCH WIDE RANGES TOGETHER, DEVELOPMENT WILL NATURALLY GRAVITATE TOWARD THE MINIMUM SIZE LOT. THAT MEANS QUARTER ACRE LOTS NEXT TO TWO ACRE LOTS AND TWO ACRE LOTS, WHERE THREE PLUS ACRE LOTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY INTENDED. IT REDUCES OUR ABILITY TO PRESERVE LOWER DENSITY AREAS THAT DEFINE THE SCENIC CHARACTER OF LAGO VISTA. THIS HAS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLICATIONS. OUR 2025 WATER MASTER PLAN IS BASED ON A MAXIMUM BUILD OUT OF ABOUT 47,000 PEOPLE. IF WE ADOPT PLACE TYPES THAT ENCOURAGE HIGHER DENSITIES, WE INCREASED THE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT AND PUT ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON OUR WATER SYSTEM. THAT WOULD REQUIRE REVISITING THE WATER MASTER PLAN BEFORE MAKING SUCH A CHANGE. AND IT'S NOT JUST WATER, IT'S TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AFFECTED BY DENSITY. THESE ASSUMPTIONS, THE MORE WE SHIFT DEVELOPMENT TOWARD THE DENSEST END OF EACH PLACE TYPE RANGE, THE MORE VEHICLE TRIPS WE GENERATE. THAT INCREASES PRESSURE ON OUR COLLECTOR ROADS, OUR ARTERIALS.

AND OUR ALREADY STRAINED INTERSECTIONS. SO JUST TO BE, YOU KNOW, CUT TO THE CHASE ON MY RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT, I WOULD RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNCIL CONTINUE WITH THE FEBRUARY STAFF DRAFT THAT YOU SEE IN THE PACKET, RETAIN THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THAT DRAFT, WORK WITH STAFF TO REFINE IT INTO A FINAL VERSION AND ABANDON THE PLACE TYPE STRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. DAVID AND EBS, ARE EITHER OF YOU SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS BRIEF AS I CAN, BECAUSE I INTEND TO PUT SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE BOARD. JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT YET. WHAT I WAS SEEING WAS TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXPRESSING DENSITY ISSUES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS. AND THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY THE WAY, I LIKE THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE HERE. IN MORE DETAIL IN THE WHAT I SAY HERE, I'M MEANING FOR THE DRAFT OF THE FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026. THE 11 PLACE TYPES. I SAY THAT BECAUSE LAGO VISTA HAS GOT SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES WITH IT THAT WE'VE GOT TO CONSIDER, AS OPPOSED TO OTHER REGIONS. THAT BEING SAID, I'VE. IN THE 40 YEARS ME AND MY HUBBY HAVE BEEN TOGETHER, WE'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF OF LIVING IN THE SOUTH A FEW OTHER PLACES, ONE OF THEM NEAR HOLLY SPRINGS, NORTH CAROLINA. I HAPPEN TO PULL THEM UP THE OTHER DAY AND THEY HAVE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NEWER CONSTRUCT OF OF DOCUMENTS THAT ALLOW FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE BROADER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. SIMPLER IS THE TERM THAT COMES TO MIND. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY USE SOMETHING CALLED DISTRICT OVERLAYS. THEY ALSO USE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES MANUAL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR. SO THERE ARE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT BEGIN TO GO, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, BUT WE'RE OVERLAYING IN THIS AREA IS THIS SIZE. THIS AREA IS

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MISS VANESSA. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN. THE FEBRUARY DRAFT WITH THE 11 PLACE TYPE TIERS, I THINK TO ME MAKES BETTER SENSE FOR US FOR THE REASONS ALREADY CITED. OUR TOPOGRAPHY. WE'RE SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES. THE LACK OF, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE EVACUATION ROUTES IN THE CASE OF WILDFIRE, ETC. SO I THINK THE CLEARER WE CAN BE ON THESE DEFINITIONS, THE BETTER, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHERE WE HAVE LACK OF CLARITY AND ORDINANCES OR WHATNOT OR PROCEDURES. IT LEADS TO SUBJECTIVITY. IT LEADS TO A LOT OF QUESTIONS. IT LEADS TO PROBLEMS, LEADS TO PEOPLE ASKING FOR VARIANCES AND EXCEPTIONS RIGHT AND LEFT. AND WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID THAT. SO I THINK THE CLARITY PROVIDED BY THESE PLACE TYPE TIERS IN THE FEBRUARY DRAFT, DIRECTIONALLY IS THE WAY WE SHOULD GO. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS I WAS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A LAYPERSON, AS A CITIZEN AT THAT TIME. AND THERE'S A DIRECT THROUGHPUT FROM THE THE VISION AND THE DESIRES EXPRESSED BY THAT CITIZEN GROUP OF MAKING SURE WE CONTROL GROWTH AND LIMIT ANY KIND OF HIGH DENSITY HERE IN THE AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY IN THE APPROPRIATE AREAS IN THE APPROPRIATE ZONING. AND SO I SEE A DIRECT THROUGHPUT OF THAT VISION AND THAT ADVICE FROM THAT GROUP, FROM THAT COMMITTEE INTO THIS LAND USE LAND USE MAP WITH THE 11 TIERS AND INTO THE FEBRUARY DRAFT. I KNOW THERE'S

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THIS IS WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED. THIS IS WHAT THEY VOTED FOR. I THOUGHT THE VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS WAS THERE A DISSENTING VOTE OR WAS IT UNANIMOUS? THAT WAS UNANIMOUS VOTE. SO WE HAD A UNANIMOUS VOTE. AND NOT ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT A BOARD HAD SCRUTINIZED THIS AND UNANIMOUSLY VOTED FOR IT. BUT YET WE WANT TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE RECOMMENDATION. I FIND THAT TO BE OFFENSIVE.

NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THAT STAFF DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROBABLY BE INVOLVED AS MUCH AS THEY OUGHT TO BE. SO TO COUNCILOR HESS'S RECOMMENDATION OR THOUGHTS, I THINK IT SHOULD GO BACK TO STAFF TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND TO ALLOW THEM TO. BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE. THE MAY 14TH, IT WAS VERY IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC. THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL IS LIKELY GOING TO CHANGE THESE THINGS. SO LET'S GIVE THEM A GOOD DRAFT.

LET'S NOT MAKE IT PERFECT. LET'S GIVE THEM A GOOD DRAFT. LET'S GET THIS RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN THEY CAN THEY CAN FINALIZE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY. AND THERE WAS NEVER A COMMENT FROM ANYBODY ON PLANNING AND ZONING THAT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INCREASING DENSITY. THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT RURAL AND GETTING RID OF DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ON THE FLUME. THE COMMENT WAS ABOUT SIMPLICITY. IT WAS ABOUT CHANGING THE WAY THAT WE ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ZONING LOOKS LIKE, AND TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE. BUT IT DID NOT GRANT ANYBODY ADDITIONAL RIGHTS OR PRIVILEGES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD IN A MORE DENSE WAY. BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THAT. I AM NOT LOOKING TO INCREASE DENSITY AS WELL, BUT I AM LOOKING FOR A SIMPLIFIED, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT'S ALL IT DID IS IT WAS THEY THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO SIMPLIFY THE PLAN WITHOUT INCREASING DENSITY. AND I THINK THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. AND I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY WITHOUT COMPLETELY DISREGARDING IT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND SENDING IT BACK TO STAFF. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. MAYOR, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I DID WANT TO JUST BRING TO AWARENESS, AND THIS IS NOT COME UP ANYWHERE, IS I WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE OVERLAY KIND OF IDEAS. BUT ONE OF THE INTERESTING OVERLAYS HERE IN TEXAS, WHICH COMES FROM THE COUNTY AND LCRA, IS THE DEMARCATION OF A FIVE ACRE LOT.

AND IF YOU ARE OVER FIVE ACRES, YOU CAN HAVE A WELL. AND IF YOU'RE UNDER FIVE ACRES, YOU CAN'T YOU GOT TO TIE INTO A CITY. SO THAT WAS ONE THING I THOUGHT, WELL, OKAY, MAKE A NOTE. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE FIVE ACRES. AND AGAIN, I WAS KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT I

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I DID PUT LENGTHY COMMENTS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD IN RELATION TO WHAT PNC HAS PUT FORWARD. MY BIGGEST ARGUMENT THAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR MARCHING ORDERS FOR WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON IN THE STAFF. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT ORDER OF WHAT THE PLAN DISCUSSES, IT'S COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THEN HOUSING, THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEN PARKS AND TRANSPORTATION, THEN INFRASTRUCTURE. TO ME, THAT'S ENTIRELY FLIPPED. THE ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD START WITH TWO PAGES ON OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE FACING THE CITY COMING FORWARD. WE HAVE OVER HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PROJECTED IN EXPANSION PROJECTS. EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES IN THE COMING YEARS NEEDS TO BE DONE THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. TO ME, IT'S LIKE KNOWING YOU HAVE A HEART SURGERY COMING UP AND INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND WHAT EXACTLY YOU'RE GOING TO DO, YOU DECIDE TO GO OUT AND GET A NOSE JOB. I MEAN, WE ARE FOCUSING ON THINGS THAT AREN'T VITAL TO US YET. I MEAN, THEY'RE IMPORTANT IN SOME ASPECT. AND YES, WE CAN DO MULTIPLE THINGS AT ONCE, BUT THE WHOLE COMP PLAN SHOULD LITERALLY BE WRITTEN THROUGH THE LENS OF WE HAVE THESE MASSIVE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS COMING UP. WE DON'T ENTIRELY KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM, AND WE DON'T ENTIRELY KNOW EXACTLY THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN THE COMP PLAN PROGRESSES, THERE IS A LENGTHY BEGINNING AND THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT IS ALL ABOUT WHERE WE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, AND THEN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AFTERWARDS INCORPORATE HOW DOES THIS FIT WHILE WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT'S SORT OF MY BIGGEST COMMENT OF EVERYTHING I SAW. BUT OTHERWISE, I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKED ON IT.

WE DID NOT LIKE THE PRODUCT THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM THE VENDOR WHEN IT CAME TO US. AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET US CLOSER TO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE. SO THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, TO ME, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE DIRECTION IS TO HAVE STAFF TAKE A CRACK AT THIS. MISS COUNSELOR CHAVARRIA.

CHARLES. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO STAFF, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU KNOW, WHEN I KEEP LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, EVERYBODY KEEPS REFERRING TO THE COMP PLAN AS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. IT DOES NOT REGULATE ANYTHING. IT IS JUST MERELY A SUGGESTION AND A ROADMAP FOR WHAT YOU BASE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE OFF OF, WHICH IS WHERE YOUR OVERLAYS OCCUR.

ALL YOUR REGULATORY DOCUMENTS, NO COMP PLAN IS BASICALLY JUST A THIS IS LAGO VISTA. THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THAT AND NOT LOOK AT THIS COMP PLAN AS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. IT IS JUST A GUIDE TO GET US TO BUILDING OUR REGULATORY DOCUMENTS. JORDAN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF TRACK HERE, AND I THINK STAFF HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OR WELL, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT. THEY NEED TO LOOK AT IT CLOSER BECAUSE WE WERE NOT INVOLVED. OR TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF THE STAFF

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THAT SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK HAS NOT COME BACK FOR A FORMAL DISCUSSION AND REVIEW BY THE FULL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M INTERESTED IN THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE OF IS IS THE BEST PROCESS TO HAVE STAFF INPUT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK, OR IGNORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND IGNORE THE REVIEW OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK AND JUST STAFF PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR COUNCIL. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING COUNCIL SAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THAT. SO I, I DON'T THE CONCERN WOULD BE WE EITHER COMPLETELY BYPASS PLANNING AND ZONING ON THIS DISCUSSION OR WE. AND BYPASS THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH DID PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF WORK ON THIS, BY THE WAY, OR WE LET THEM HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME. AND THAT SLOWS US DOWN ON THE ON THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE. AND TO MR. STEWART'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, BETTER TO GET IT RIGHT THAN TO TO RUSH IT THROUGH. SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, STAFF, COORDINATE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND BRING THAT BRING THAT SUBCOMMITTEE'S RED LINE BACK INTO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR A REVIEW, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THE AGENDA FUBAR LAST MONTH. LET LET PLANNING AND ZONING ACTUALLY DO THAT STEP AND BRING THAT TO US. MR. BENFIELD, I'M SORRY, I LOVE THE IDEA. I, I CALLED MR. AIRED ON THE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THE MEETING WENT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND HER COMMENT WAS THAT THEY COULD HAVE SPENT AS MUCH TIME AS THEY DID, LIKE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TWO YEAR PROCESS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THEY'RE DONE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL WAS STILL GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DISSECT IT AND PULL IT APART. AND I DON'T I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON THAT. I WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY AT GOING BACK TO THEM AS LONG AS I FELT LIKE THEY HAD THE DIRECTION THAT THEY NEEDED SO THAT THEY WEREN'T SPENDING TIME DEVELOPING A PLAN THAT ULTIMATELY WAS JUST GOING TO GET TORN APART, THAT IT WAS DONE WITH THE RIGHT LEVEL OF DIRECTION FROM STAFF. AND I HAVE SENSED THAT MAYBE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION AS MUCH AS IT OUGHT TO BE. SO IF IF THAT DISCUSSION INVOLVES STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO THAT WHEN IT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS MORE OF A FINAL PRODUCT. I WOULD LOVE THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. SO I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. BENFIELD. I THINK THAT I'M NOT CERTAIN HOW MUCH THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAD STAFF PARTICIPATION OR DID NOT. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ZERO. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND STAFF WOULD BE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IN TERMS OF DIRECTION. I THINK THERE'S PRETTY I'M HEARING PRETTY STRONG CONSENSUS THAT THAT WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DON'T WANT IT TO IMPLY THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH INCREASING DENSITY AND GROWTH, RIGHT? WE WANT IT TO PROVIDE DIRECTION THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR REALISTIC CONSTRAINTS AROUND WATER AND WASTEWATER AND THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY. SO TO ME, THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME EDITS ON IT, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WANTING THINGS TO SNEAK IN THERE THAT INADVERTENTLY CAUSE A LOT OF SURPRISE INCREASE IN DENSITY AND GROWTH. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE STRONG FEEDBACK. MR. BULLOCK MAY BE TRYING TO GET ME TO STOP SAYING SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. NO, SIR. I JUST I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT CHARLES SAID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT IMPOSE OR CREATE, NOR COULD IT INCREASE OR LIMIT

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YOUR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS CHARLES SAID, HE STATED IT CORRECTLY IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. AND SO THEREFORE AND AND IT HAS TO SAY THAT RIGHT ON THE FACE OF THE DOCUMENT. SO SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS UNDERSTANDING OF THE PUBLIC THAT, YOU KNOW, WE IT'S OUR JOB TO, TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BY THEIR DEFINITION, CAN'T INCREASE DENSITIES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T REGULATE DENSITIES. SO WHAT THAT'S, THAT'S ZONING AND OTHER FUNCTIONS. SO I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REITERATE AND PIGGYBACK ON WHAT CHARLES SAID. AND, AND TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL, PURE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, ALLAY THAT CONCERN BECAUSE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISN'T GOING TO DO THAT. SORRY, MY PHONE HERE, LET ME DO THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL ADD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE AND YOU'RE UPDATING IT, YOUR ANY ZONING ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPT OR REZONING MUST FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF IT DOES NOT, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT THOSE TWO ARE IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER. BUT JUST BECAUSE A PROPOSED ZONE OR REZONE FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU MUST APPROVE IT. RIGHT? IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THIS THAT A REZONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD WOULD BE APPROVED. SO IT'S JUST AS CHARLES SAID, IT'S A GUIDE AND IT DOESN'T CREATE DENSITIES OR INCREASE DENSITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER MR. BENFIELD? IT WOULD BE INTERESTING MAYBE TO HAVE A JUST A BRIEF DISCUSSION SO THAT WHETHER IT GOES TO STAFF OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WAS TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE TOLL THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CONVERSATION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD WAS THAT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE BURDEN WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THAT DEVELOPER. RIGHT. AND SO THEY DIDN'T. I, I INTERPRETED THEIR COMMENTS TO SAY THEY WERE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE IMPACT FEES AND OTHER TYPES OF FEES THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE OFFSET SUFFICIENT ENOUGH THAT YOUR CONCERNS WOULD NOT BE AS VALIDATED. AND THEN THE SAME THE SAME CAME TRUE WITH TRAFFIC. YES, IT WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC, BUT THROUGH THESE MITIGATION FEES, THINGS WOULD BE FIXED IN A WAY THAT TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. RIGHT. AND SO IF THAT'S THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS TODAY, BUT YET WE DON'T FEEL THOSE. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONSENSUS, IT MIGHT BE WORTH SHARING OUR THOUGHTS ON THAT DISCUSSION POINT. SO AS THEY HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THEY CAN GO WITH IT WITH SOME OF OUR TALKING POINTS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A MR. HUGHLEY BROUGHT THOSE UP ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS DURING THE MEETING. AND THEN THAT WAS KIND OF THE REBUTTAL IS THESE THINGS WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE A REAL CONCERN BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE FIXED. YEAH, I DON'T FULLY AGREE WITH IT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE BIG DEVELOPERS COMING IN HERE AND DOING ANYTHING SHORTLY, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THESE PROJECTS SHORTLY. SO IT'S AROUND THE FLUME CONVERSATION. I CAN SEE HOW THAT'S THE MINDSET, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE COMP PLAN THAN JUST THE FLUME DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW THAT THE DESIRE WAS TO SORT OF SLIM DOWN AND LIMIT SOME OF THAT, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, AND HOPEFULLY ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD CAN HELP GUIDE THEM. AS FAR AS THE STAFF MEETING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I GUESS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IT NZ'S DESIRE TO HEAR THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S PRODUCT WITH STAFF? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEM IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, KIND OF A GENERAL. THE GENERAL FLOW OF WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I'M GOING TO SAY THIS MAY NOT FIT LOGO. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT VERY QUICKLY. NORMALLY A CITY WILL DO A STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN DO, OF COURSE, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT THAT THEN ENTAILS OR INFORMS IS THE LAND USE AND CHARACTER PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE PARKS, RECREATION AND GREENWAYS MASTER PLAN. SO BASICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY, FROM THERE, OF COURSE, THE FLUME IS DONE. AND YOU KNOW, AREAS OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS A TRAFFIC STUDY STREETSCAPE. SO

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I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE REAL WORLD. I THINK ALSO WE I GO BACK TO THE CPAC, RIGHT. AND THE VISION, IF YOU WILL, THIS IS THE VISION FOR THE CITY. AND IT END RESULT IS IT'S A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT THEN CASCADES INTO OTHER PLANNING THAT WE NEED TO DO. LET'S BE TRUE TO THE VISION. LET'S DO THE BEST POSSIBLE JOB WE CAN ON THE PRODUCT. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THE STAFF HAVE DONE TO IMPROVE THE DRAFT WE HAD FROM THE CONSULTANT, AS WELL AS THE PNC COMMITTEE'S CONTINUED WORK ON IT. BUT LET'S GET IT RIGHT.

I THINK THE WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY DO WE WANT TO LIVE IS REALLY AT THE HEART OF IT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CAN WE CHARGE IMPACT FEES TO BUILD WIDER ROADS AND SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE? IT'S ALSO LIKE, DO WE WANT TO BUILD WIDER ROADS? DO WE WANT LOWMAN FORD ROAD TO ONE DAY BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 620 GOING THROUGH LAKEWAY? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THAT COMPLETELY BISECTS THAT CITY AND IT'S JUST A MESS TO DRIVE ON. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ALL THESE REAL WORLD CONSTRAINTS, WHICH ARE CONSIDERABLE AND ARE IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THE VISION. AND EVEN THOUGH WE WEREN'T COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THE FINAL PRODUCT FROM THE CONSULTANT, I THINK THEY PROVIDED A VERY ROBUST PROCESS FOR US TO GET COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT AND GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SURVEYS AND TOWN HALLS WHERE I FELT WE GOT REALLY GOOD INPUT, VERY STRONG INPUT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE

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OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, JORDAN, BECAUSE THIS ALSO ROLLS OVER TO OUR IMPACT FEES THAT WE'VE GOT TO DETERMINE. NOW, I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF GARNERED SOME TIME BECAUSE WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS, BUT RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE WE HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND VET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A LITTLE BIT LONGER. BUT IT'S NOT NEVER ENDING BECAUSE IS THERE. DON'T WE NEED SOME OF THIS, OR AT LEAST THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD AND DETERMINE THOSE IMPACT FEES? YEAH. SO THE THE IMPACT FEES ARE THE STUDY FOR THAT IS BASED AROUND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S A TYPICAL PROCESS OR RANKING AS TO HOW THESE THINGS GO. I SEE IT OPPOSITE. I THINK THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS KIND OF WHAT DETERMINES WHERE WE PUSH RESOURCES, WHERE WE WANT THEM. AND SO WITH THAT COMES UTILITIES. AND IN ORDER TO PROJECT OUT OUR UTILITIES, LINE SIZING CAPACITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE REALLY NEED THAT FUTURE LAND USE TO ESTIMATE DENSITIES. AND SO MY FIRST PRIORITY IS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO GET THAT SOLIDIFIED AND POSSIBLY APPROVED, EVEN SEPARATE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, JUST BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS THAT FOR IMPACT FEES. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE CAN BUILD EVERYTHING OUT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO SEND GROWTH AND WHERE WE'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING. MR. BENNEFIELD JORDAN, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERYBODY UP HERE AND EVERYBODY ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS. BUT YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT UNDERSTANDS THIS PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYBODY. AND WHENEVER IT COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE PERSONALLY TO SEE A PRODUCT THAT IS NOT ONLY SUPPORTED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT IS ALSO ENDORSED BY STAFF. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK MY AND FROM THE DISCUSSIONS I'M HEARING, I'M STILL UNCLEAR. WE'RE SENDING IT BACK. BUT. IT SEEMS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND I COULD BE WRONG, THAT THE P AND Z IS ALMOST AT ODDS. WE HAVE. AND EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE HALF SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS DRAFT IS A GOOD START. AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER HALF SAYING, WELL, THE PROPOSED CATEGORIES ARE JUST AS GOOD AS WELL. AND SO IF IT GETS SENT TO P AND Z, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S DIRECTION OR GUIDANCE. WHEN WE HAVE SPLIT THINGS HAPPENING. I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE STAFF INPUT. I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE P AND Z AND SUBCOMMITTEE INPUT AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVALS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING IS DIVIDED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR WHEN WE GET BACK IN FRONT OF THE P Z. WHICH PART IS DIVIDED? I MEAN, OF THE 11 PLACES I THINK I HEARD FOUR OF US SAY THEY SUPPORTED THE 11 PLACES, THERE COULD BE MORE THAN FOUR. I DON'T KNOW, MR. HALL. WELL, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT WHETHER IT'S 11 OR 6. THE CONCERN WAS THAT WE WE NOT HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TYPES THAT INADVERTENTLY ARE UNINTENTIONALLY SUPPORT A HIGHER DENSITY. AND SO SO THAT'S SO AGAIN, IT IN TERMS OF GENERAL GUIDANCE, I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT AS INPUT TO, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND STAFF, I THINK TO COUNCILOR VANESSA'S POINT, I THINK I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE WE'RE GOOD WITH THE. 11. YOU NEED TO CLEAN UP THE DESCRIPTION OF THESE. TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT, MR. HALL, IS THAT ACCURATE? I'M SEEING HEAD NODS. I MEAN, JORDAN, I WOULD SAY THAT SHOULD BE DIRECTION. OKAY. WE ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT IF WE KNOW THAT THOSE 11 MINUS SOME CLEANUP ARE GOOD TO STAY WILL KICK OFF MAPPING STARTING NEXT WEEK. AGAIN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A REALLY HIGH PRIORITY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE DELAY. AND SO WE'LL START WORKING THROUGH DRAFTS OF THAT AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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I THINK THE 11 DOES A GOOD JOB OF DEFINING WITH THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY WE NEED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I LIKE IT. SO I DON'T THINK DON'T MONKEY AROUND WITH IT ANYMORE.

NOW, IN THE SUPPORTING DESCRIPTIONS AND SUBSEQUENT PAGES, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLEANUP AND WORK DONE ON THAT. YOU KNOW, ALL FULL SPEED AHEAD ON THAT. BUT YEAH, I'M HAPPY WITH THESE BECAUSE I THINK AGAIN, AS SOON AS WE LEAVE THINGS LOOSER, THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND TRY TO GET EXCEPTIONS OR VARIANCES OR SUBJECTIVITY WILL COME IN AS FAR AS WHAT'S ALLOWED. AND EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S NOT A REGULATORY COMPLIANCE DOCUMENT, BUT AGAIN, LET'S SET THE VISION AS APPROPRIATELY AS WE CAN. LET'S DO THE BEST POSSIBLE JOB WE CAN ON IT IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EFFORT. THANK YOU. OKAY WITH THAT, THEN I'LL BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SUBJECT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS

[X.2. Consider, discuss, and take action regarding funding for Bowden Point and Dawn Drive Parks.]

THANK YOU. HELLO. I'M ANDREW, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE PRAC. THIS IS VISTA PARKS IMPROVEMENT DISCUSSION. DAWN CIRCLE AND BOWDEN POINT. THESE HAVE GOT SOME CONCEPTUAL IDEAS.

COSTS IN HERE. SO HERE WE GO. IT SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK. ANDREW, IF I COULD JUST TROUBLE YOU. KIND OF A SOFT SPOKEN GUY. SO MAYBE YOU CAN TURN UP. I SHALL TURN UP THE VOLUME A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU. SO WE DECIDED TO GET SOME OBJECTIVES TOGETHER ON OUR SIDE OF TRACK, AND WE HOPE WE'VE TICKED THESE BOXES UP HERE. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, OBVIOUSLY SAFETY, THE ACCESSIBILITY, THE FOLLOWING PART FOLLOWING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN VISION, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE MOMENT, THE PHASED APPROACH, THAT PROCESS AND STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITY AND BRINGING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES INTO OUR PARKS AND WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT. SO THIS IS OUR CONCEPTUAL IDEA. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A NUMBER OF THESE. WE STARTED THIS WAY BACK WITH KAREN IN 22. SO IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS. SO THIS IS DAWN CIRCLE. WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN INTO THREE PHASES. AND WE'VE ALSO PUT THESE PHASES IN A ORDER FOR WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. SO PHASE ONE IS WHICH I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. PHASE ONE IS THE PARKING LOT WITH A CONCRETE ENTRYWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS THING'S GOT A POINT OR NOT, BUT IT'S UP IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER UP THERE. SO THERE'S SOME SPACES UP THERE. THERE'S A DG, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY DECOMPOSED GRANITE PATHWAY AROUND THE PERIMETER, PICNIC

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SO WE'VE USED ABOUT 75% OF IT. RIGHT. AND I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE DOOR. SO THE PERIMETER WALKWAY IS ROUGHLY ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE. THE PARKING LOT HAS ACCESSIBLE SPACES IN IT. AND THE BETTER. WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME BENCHES, PICNIC TABLES, WHAT WE CALL PARK FURNITURE, TRASH CANS, DOG DISPOSABLE WASTE DISPOSAL PLACE. THE GOAL OF THIS WAS TO GET THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE. FOR THE CENTER OF LAGO VISTA AND TO PUT A PARK THERE OF A REASONABLE SIZE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PARKS OUT HERE, BUT WE WANTED A REASONABLE SIZE PARK.

WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE THIS AN ANCHOR PARK BECAUSE WE WANTED TO EVENTUALLY TIE THIS TO BONANZA, WHICH HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A PARK. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER SOMEWHERE DOWN DRAWN DRIVE. SO THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, BRING THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER. SO ALL THIS IS BEING CURRENTLY WORKED ON IN THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE ARE DOING. OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE KTVB TO DO THE BEAUTIFICATION SIDE OF THINGS IF I JUST SKIP BACK A LITTLE BIT SO IT HASN'T GOT A POINTER, BUT YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS LAGO VISTA, LAGO VISTA WAY, WHERE IT JOINS DAWN DRIVE. SO THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED ON DOING SOME OF THE STUFF IN THERE. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR BEAUTIFICATION BEAUTIFICATION IN THERE. RIGHT. LET ME GO BACK. WHOOPS. WRONG WAY. RIGHT. THE COST IS WHICH EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING THIS WOULD BE FOR PHASE ONE $117,075. THE GENERAL CONDITIONS MOBILE MOBILIZATION AND SITE PREPARATION WOULD BE 23,200. THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS 23,285. AND THAT INCLUDES THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING. SO THIS BECOMES OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS TO BE A FULLY ACCESSIBLE PARK SO EVERYBODY CAN ENJOY IT. THE CONCRETE ACCESS AND THE. THE GRANITE PATH IS 16,600 SITE FURNISHINGS, TRASH CANS, RECEPTACLES, WASTE, WASTE, PET PET WASTE STATIONS, BENCHES, ADA, PICNIC TABLES, ETC. FOR 23,700 LANDSCAPING, WHICH WOULD BE 6800. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO LET JANICE TALK YOU THROUGH. SORRY. I'LL LET JANICE TALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH ON THEIR IDEA. MAYOR SAM COUNSELORS, I'M JANICE DIDIER, PRESIDENT OF LAGO VISTA. BEAUTIFUL. AND I'M BACK. WE, AS YOU REQUESTED, WENT BACK AND MET WITH PRCAC AND TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR PARK PLAN AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. WE HAD SOME CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE.

I HAVE RESEARCHED ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS TRAFFIC, WHICH I'VE BEEN HEARING RELATED TO OTHER THINGS TODAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A CONCERN IS TRAFFIC AT BOWDEN POINT. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT WHILE PEOPLE EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE INTERSECTION, IN PARTICULAR AT BOWDEN, AT BOWDEN POINT, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AT LEAST. THE CLOSEST ACCIDENT OCCURRED AT BOGGY FORD AND LEE LANE ON MAY 27TH. IN 2023, AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING, IT WAS A SINGLE VEHICLE MOTORCYCLE

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THE SPEED LIMIT AFTER THAT WAS LOWERED FROM 45 TO 35MPH AT PRESENT. AND EVEN WHILE THERE WAS A SWING SET AT THE PARK, FORTUNATELY NO CHILD WAS INJURED. BUT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN, KVB IS WITHDRAWING OUR REQUEST FOR A SWING SET AT BOWDEN POINT. SO WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT AN ART AND GALLERY WALKWAY THROUGH BOWDEN. THIS WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE. WE ENVISION THE WALKWAY TO BE USED FOR PHOTO OPS. THE PISTACHE TREE IN ITS FALL. BEAUTY HAS ALREADY SERVED AS A BACKDROP FOR A WEDDING.

COUPLES POSED FOR PHOTOS AT THE HEART SCULPTURES. PERHAPS ONE DAY IT WILL BE A SETTING FOR PROMPOSALS AND BOYFRIEND GIRLFRIEND DECLARATIONS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE NEW THING NOW WITH KIDS. BUT NOT ONLY IS IT A PLACE FOR ROMANTIC LOVE, BUT A LOVE OF NATURE, WE HAVE A PARK THAT VISITORS CAN VIEW, THE GARDENS, WHICH OFFER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GARDEN ENVIRONMENTS FOR. HERE IN LAGO VISTA, THE LABELED PLANTS SPARK IDEAS FOR HOME GARDENS, DEMONSTRATING WHAT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN PRIVATE YARDS. THE WOMEN'S CLUB. OH EXCUSE ME, LET'S SEE. NOT ONLY IS IT A LOVE OF NATURE, BUT ALSO A LOVE OF ART, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE THREE SCULPTURES. AND I UNDERSTAND. RECENTLY WE HAVE ADDED A BEAUTIFUL EAGLE TO ONE OF OUR GARDENS AS WELL. THE WOMEN'S CLUB HAS RECENTLY DONATED FUNDS FOR A FOURTH PIECE OF SCULPTURE. ANISODAMINE PLANS TO DISPLAY THEIR POINTILLISM, COMPOSED OF REPURPOSED PLASTIC CAPS, IN THE PARK NEXT SPRING, AND CLUB HAS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR PUBLIC ART DISPLAYS. SO WHILE THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA IS PARK POOR, THIS ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE ENJOYMENT OF ONE OF OUR PARKS FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE IS NOT TO SCALE, BUT IT IS MORE OR LESS A RENDITION OF THE LAYOUT OF THE WALKWAY. IT WOULD BE AN ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY AND WE ARE REQUESTING FUNDS FOR THE WALKWAY AND A FOOTBRIDGE. LAST YEAR IN OUR BUDGET WE REQUESTED IN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED $9,000 FOR THE FOOTBRIDGE, WHICH IN THE YEARS TIME HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS WE HAVE OUR SCULPTURES, WE HAVE OUR GARDENS. OUR ULTIMATE COST IS $75,780 FOR THE WALKWAY. AND THIS INCLUDES THE 30 FOOT BRIDGE. AND IT INCLUDES THE ENGINEERING AND THE SURVEY TO TAKE THE VISION TO ITS ULTIMATE CONCLUSION. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO SORRY. SO. THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BETWEEN YOURSELVES. SO BOTH PROJECTS ARE DEVELOPMENTS OR IMPROVEMENTS OF POCKET PARKS. SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TREE MITIGATION FUND CHAPTER BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. THEREFORE, MEMBERS OF THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE REPRESENTATIVE, CALEB KAY LAGO VISTA, LAGO VISTA. BEAUTIFUL.

THEREFORE, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SUCH FUNDS FOR THESE. SO THE FUNDS FOR BOUGHTON POINT PROPOSED IN 25, FINANCIAL YEAR 25 AND 26, AND THE FUNDS FOR THE DAWN CIRCLE PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 26 AND 27 AS A CIP BUDGET, AND IN THIS YEAR WE ALREADY HAVE SOME MONEY, AND WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT TO ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND GET PROPER DESIGNS FOR THIS PARK. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. BECK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE? NO, MAYBE I'VE BROKEN IT. SORRY.

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CLUB HAD ALREADY COME TO COUNCIL ON THE BOWDEN PARK PROJECT, AND THEY'VE DOWNSIZED IT. AS JANICE SAID, THEY TOOK THE SWING SET ASPECT OUT OF IT, SO THEY REDUCED THE OVERALL COST. AND THEN I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SUBMIT THIS AS A CIP BUDGET ITEM FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS ON A NEW PARK FOR THE CITY. SO I'M A PROPONENT OF IT. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I'M BIASED, BUT JUST WANTED TO ALSO COMMEND CLUB AND PRAC. THERE WAS A LITTLE CONCERN INITIALLY ON, YOU KNOW, CLUB CONTINUING TO DO THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE SO WELL, WHICH WILL CONTINUE. BUT AS ANDREW SAID, THERE'S NOW A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR COLLABORATION THAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, WHERE APPLICABLE, WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO DO BEAUTIFICATION IN SOME OF OUR PARKS, LEVERAGING CLUB'S EXPERTISE AND IN SOME CASE, THE GRANTS OR DONATIONS THAT THEY GET. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE COLLABORATION THAT WE SEE DEVELOPING HERE. AND SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND PUTTING THE THOUGHT INTO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTERS BEFORE CITIZEN COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. YES, I JUST WANTED TO THANK JANICE AND ALSO THE COMMITTEE FOR COMING TOGETHER. I KNOW THAT THEY WORKED HARD ON THIS, AND CLUB DID SCALE BACK QUITE A BIT AND KIND OF JUST REALLY REGULATED AND FOCUSED ON THE PATH. AND I REALLY AM VERY SUPPORTIVE. AND I DON'T THINK A BUDGET AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, IS TOO, TOO FAR TOO BIG OF AN ASK ACTUALLY, CONSIDERING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS KIND OF WE KNEW ABOUT THIS PLAN LAST YEAR AND WE WERE JUST ASKING THEM TO FIRM IT UP. AND LIKE I SAID, THE MONEY'S MONEY'S GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE THE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS. SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S WELL WITHIN OUR BUDGET. OKAY. WITH THAT. I'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. JANICE, I HAVE YOU UP HERE AS THE FIRST ONE. I WAS NOT SURE THE WAY THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN INTO THE AGENDA AS TO JUST HOW THIS WAS GOING TO GO. SO I'VE ALREADY SAID MY PIECE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL GO TO DENISE SELLERS. DENISE SELLERS CLUB. SO I WANT SOME OF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF OUR. THE WAY WE'VE WORKED.

YOU HAVE CURBSIDE RECYCLING BECAUSE OF KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. LET ME TELL YOU FOLKS, WE ARE AN AFFILIATE OF KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL AND THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THE CITIES IN

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SO THAT'S A BONUS FOR US. WE HAVE PROVIDED THE ARTS WORK THAT IS AT BOWDEN POINT. IT IS AT ZERO COST TO THE CITY. WE HAVE PROVIDED THE MOSAICS AT ABOUT $85,000 OF FREE LABOR THAT DID NOT COME OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET, THAT WAS VOLUNTEER. THAT AREA WAS ALL SCRAPED AND CLEANED OUT FROM US, VOLUNTEER FROM A BUSINESS, DONATED THEIR TIME AND THEIR EQUIPMENT OF SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THAT FOR US. THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. AND WE HAVE ALL OF OUR MEMBERS THAT TAKE BEAUTIFUL CARE OF OUR SPOTS. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DENY THAT HAVING A NICE WALKWAY TO GET TO THE SCULPTURES WOULD BE BAD. IT WOULD BE GREAT. I WILL SAY DAVID AND HIS CREW HAVE DONE GREAT ON KIND OF KEEPING THE STICKERS DOWN, BUT THERE'S STILL STICKERS, SO IT WOULD BE NICE NOT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STICKERS. I DO WANT TO SAY I DO LIKE THE PARK ACROSS FROM THE FROM DORN CIRCLE. MY ONLY CONCERN IS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND AND I MAINTAIN THE CIRCLE. I WOULD PREFER OFF STREET PARKING BECAUSE WE SEE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THERE AT A PRETTY GOOD CLIP. THEY DON'T. YOU TALK ABOUT RUNNING THE CURBS. WE PAINTED THE CURBS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE FIRST NIGHT SOMEONE RAN OVER THEM AND THEY CONTINUED TO RUN OVER THE CURBS.

SO IT IS ALSO A THING THERE. SO I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF THEY WOULD PUT THAT OFF THE ROAD JUST FOR SAFETY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND BELIEVE ME, WHATEVER WE DO, WE'RE GOING TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET OR ON BUDGET, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU PROUD. THANK YOU. I HAVE DAN SELLERS. DAN, IT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. HE JUST WANTS TO SAY HE APPROVES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THEN I HAVE MIKE AND JANET BOWES. HELLO. WE LIVE AT THE SKY ROOM CONDOS. WE OWN FOUR OF THOSE FIVE CONDOS. SO THE PROPOSED PARK FOR DON CIRCLE IS ADJACENT TO US. WE DON'T. WE APPROVE OF THE PARK. WE THINK THAT'S COOL. BUT OUR PROBLEM IS BECAUSE WE'RE. OUR GARAGES ARE LOCATED AND OUR PARKING LOT. WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS PARK IS GOING TO NOT LET US HAVE ACCESS. AND WE'VE HAD AN IMPLIED PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS WITH THE CITY ON THAT PROPERTY. AND WE'RE CONCERNED WHEN WE'RE COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS THAT THERE MAY BE KIDS RUNNING. YOU KNOW, PARENTS DON'T WATCH THEIR KIDS THAT MUCH. A LOT OF TIMES. AND ALSO OUR PARKING LOT. THERE'S A SWIMMING POOL IN OUR BACKYARD.

THERE'S A ENTRANCE TO THAT SWIMMING POOL IN THE PARKING LOT. SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW OUR PROPERTY FROM THE CITY'S PROPERTY, AND IT'S REALLY MARKED OFF. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO OUR GARAGES AND OUR PARKING LOT.

THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN. AND BY LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, I COULDN'T TELL EVEN WHERE WE WERE ON THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF Y'ALL CONSIDERED THAT IF IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO JOSH TRACY AND TAYLOR ABOUT ALL THIS AND THEY KEEP ASSURING US, OH, YOU'RE YOU'RE OKAY, YOU'RE OKAY. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTED. BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYWHERE WHERE WE'RE WE'RE IN THE PICTURE, NOT EVEN ADVISE. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE IN THAT PICTURE. IS IT GOING TO BE ROPED OFF? IS IT GOING TO BE FENCED OFF OR KIDS GOING TO BE RUNNING ON OUR PROPERTY BEHIND OUR GARAGES IF WE'RE COMING OUT, ARE WE GOING TO YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S OUR CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN, OUR INSURANCE PURPOSES, THE PEOPLE COMING BECAUSE OUR BACKYARD, OUR PARKING LOT IS BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS VIEW. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DRIVE DOWN THERE JUST TO LOOK AT THE VIEW WHEN THE SUN IS GOING DOWN A LOT OF TIMES AND WE'RE LIKE, THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, SO I CAN SEE IF PEOPLE ARE OVER THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, LOOK AT THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARKING DOWN HERE OR THERE'S, THERE'S A VIEW OVER HERE AND WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PROPERTY AND INSURANCE PURPOSES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET IN THE BACKYARD, OPEN THE GATE, GO IN THE SWIMMING POOL, WE'RE NOT THERE. OR IF THEY GET BEHIND A CAR IN THE PARKING LOT, WE'RE NOT USED TO HAVING KIDS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND OUR CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PEOPLE. IS IT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED THIS IS OURS, THIS IS YOURS. AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BUT WE STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR PARKING LOT BE ABLE TO USE IT IN OUR GARAGES.

SO, SO I CAN'T TELL ON THERE WHERE WE EVEN ARE. DAVID, COULD YOU COME IN AND CLARIFY? I

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YOU'RE SAYING THIS? YEAH. YES. YEAH. SO THOSE THOSE ARE OUR GARAGES. THESE ARE THIS IS WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING IN. YES. YEAH. AND WE USE BOTH. WE BACKED BOATS IN THERE. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST TO PULL THE CAR IN. I'VE GOT TO PULL OUT AND PULL YOU KNOW BACK MY BOAT IN. SO AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IS YOU'VE HISTORICALLY YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. WE'VE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS AND THE GARAGES WERE PROBABLY TEN YEARS OLDER THAN THAT. AND WHEN THE PARK, WHEN THE WATER PLANT WAS THERE, WE BOTH USED THAT DRIVEWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A IMPLIED PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT. AND I KNOW DAVE STEWART USED TO WORK THERE AND HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS, BUT HE'S A LOT MORE INFORMED ABOUT HOW THAT WORKED THAN WE ARE. BECAUSE WHEN WE CAME, EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T GET AROUND THIS WAY TO OUR GARAGES AND WE CAN'T GO INTO THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW. IN CASE OF FIRE OR AMBULANCE NEEDS TO GET GET DOWN THERE FOR A FIRE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE BLOCKED IN BY SOMEBODY PARKING THEIR CAR IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE OR, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY. I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO THIS PARK IS TO WORK OUT THIS EASEMENT PART. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'VE HEARD SUFFICIENT ANSWERS AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. SO I'D LOVE IF STAFF COULD CHIME IN. WHAT IS THE PROPOSED SOLUTION? AND THEN WHAT IS THE THE STEPS TO GET TO THAT SOLUTION? YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE IN THIS PLANNING PROCESS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS. OKAY.

SORRY. NO YOU'RE FINE. SO AS INDICATED, WHILE THERE ARE APPARENTLY AT SOME POINT WAS A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT FOR THIS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THERE IS NO FORMAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT.

SO ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. THE, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU SEE THERE BASICALLY SPLITS THE EXISTING ASPHALT ROADWAY THAT RUNS BACK ALONG THE EDGE THERE. SO WE WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH A FORMAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE NOTHING EXISTS NOW. AND WHAT ANY FORMAL LINES OF DEMARCATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE SHARED RESPONSIBILITY, COSTS, ETC. ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN. BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE PARK AND ITS AMENITIES, WE CLEARLY MISS THE PROPERTY LINE BY A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE. SO WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS REALLY WON'T BE THAT DIFFICULT. IS THERE GOING TO BE A FENCE OR ANYTHING? OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST BE ABLE TO COME OVER? YEAH. BECAUSE WE BACK OUT OF THOSE GARAGES AND YOU KNOW, KIDS, PARENTS LET GO TO THESE PLACES. THEY USUALLY DON'T WATCH THEIR KIDS VERY WELL. SO THEY MAY BE SITTING AT A PICNIC TABLE WITH KIDS ARE ALL PLAYING OR WHATEVER. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACKING IN AND OUT OF THOSE GARAGES AND GOING DOWN THERE AND STUFF. AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO SO YEAH, CURRENTLY IN THIS DESIGN, THERE IS NOT A FENCE ANYTHING, ANY ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, SITE FURNISHINGS, ETC. THERE WOULD BE ADDED COSTS. AGAIN, THAT CAN BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE. AND AGAIN, SHOULD THERE BE SHARED RESPONSIBILITY, SHARED COSTS, ETC. AT THIS POINT, THE BENEFIT OBVIOUSLY OF COMING UP WITH AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT FALLS TO THE RESIDENTS THERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD ENCROACH UPON CITY PROPERTY. BUT AGAIN, THE DETAILS CAN CERTAINLY BE WORKED OUT. IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF DISCUSSION AS THIS PROGRESSES. CAN I ASK YOU ALL TO THE ON THE YOUR ENTRYWAY INTO THAT AREA? SO YESTERDAY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ENCROACHING ON Y'ALL'S LAND, BUT I DROVE IN LIKE OVER HERE. YEAH. RIGHT. IS THAT WHERE YOU COME IN OR YOU COME IN OVER HERE? WE DO BOTH. EITHER OR BOTH. WHICH ONE IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE? CITY LAND. THAT'S THE CITY. SO YEAH, THAT'S CITY ACCESS. THE PRIVATE ACCESS IS THE OTHER DIRECTION. CITY ACCESS. THAT'S THE PRIVATE ACCESS, RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL HAVEN'T BEEN USING BOTH. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S IT'S ALREADY BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WE HAVE A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT. SO. YEAH, I WOULD HATE TO THINK WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A COST TO. YOU KNOW, PUT SOME KIND OF FENCING BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PUT IT ON OUR PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY OF THE FENCING, BECAUSE OURS IS RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY. WHAT IS THE CITY'S PROPOSED USE WITH THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS BACK THERE DURING THIS? YEAH. SO THERE IS NO PROPOSED USE OF IT. ACTUALLY, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE ONE DAY PRIOR TO EVEN COMING BEFORE YOU, BEFORE COUNCIL WITH ANY DESIGN ELEMENTS. AND THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD

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THIS HAS BEEN REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY BASED UPON COUNSEL AND INPUT. SO THAT FENCE HAS GONE AWAY DOESN'T MEAN ONE CAN'T BE BUILT THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED AND AND OBVIOUSLY THE FENCE WOULD FALL ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, ANY ACCESS WOULD BE ALONG CITY PROPERTY AS WELL AS PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THOSE DETAILS WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. BUT IF THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED THAT HAS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR A CONVERSATION, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE TO WHAT DEGREE YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION FOR THE CITIZENS. Y'ALL LIVE RIGHT OVER THERE. I HEARD EARLIER THAT PEOPLE ALREADY USE THIS AREA. DO YOU SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA? AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO BE NOTIFYING AND POLLING YOUR NEIGHBORS, PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE, DO YOU THINK THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS OR NOT? I SEE MAYBE TWO PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOG OVER THERE THAT WAY. MOST OF THEM MOST OVERLOOKS GO TO THE TO THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR BUILDING WHERE I MOW THOSE TWO LOTS AND KEEP IT MODE SO THEY'D WALK THEIR DOGS OVER THERE. SO THERE'S HARDLY ANYBODY EVER OVER THERE, PROBABLY USUALLY ONE LADY WITH A BIG DOG, AND SHE'LL GO SIT ON THAT BENCH AND SIT OVER THERE AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. WE HAVE AN ELDERLY COUPLE THAT WALK OUT THERE AND SIT EVERY DAY, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE THERE. THEY LIVE WITH US. YEAH. MISS VANESSA YEAH. SO ON THE I GUESS DAVID OR YOU GUYS WAS, IS THIS I'M THINKING THROUGH ITERATIVE APPROACH, RIGHT? IF WE POST AND CABLE AND THE IDEA I THINK WAS ALWAYS TO BE VERY CLEAR AND PUT SIGNAGE UP PRIVATE PROPERTY SO PEOPLE AREN'T COMING OVER ONTO YOUR AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF POST AND CABLE IS AN INTERIM APPROACH.

WE'LL DO IT OR WE NEED A FULL FENCE THERE. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH CONSIDERATION, BUT JUST TO ASSUAGE YOUR CONCERNS, THE THOUGHT WAS ALWAYS TO LEAVE YOUR ACCESS INTACT. AND AS DAVID SAID, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO FORMALIZE THE EASEMENT. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD ALL THESE YEARS. THE OTHER LITTLE ROAD COMING THROUGH BY THAT FATHER'S GARAGE NOW WITH THE THE E-BIKES THINGS, I MEAN, THESE KIDS RUN THROUGH THERE LIKE, I MEAN, IF YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR GARAGE A FOOT, YOU COULD GET HIT BY A CAR OR A BIKE. SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I THINK, AND THEN THE COMMENT I'D WANT TO MAKE IS IF YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE. THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL VIEW. IF YOU GO TO THAT LEFT END OF THE TRAIL ON THE SLIDE, YOU'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL VIEW DOWN ON THE LAKE, THE CURVE AROUND PACEMAN PARK. SO IT'S A REALLY NICE AREA. IT'S JUST THE VIEW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER OUR PARKING LOT. THE VIEW LOOKS OVER OUR WELL, THE SUNSETS FROM THERE ARE TREMENDOUS, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT YEAH, BUT THAT'S OUR FEAR IS THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GO, OH NO, NO, NO, NO, I DON'T MEAN YOU'RE JUST COMING OVER TO ON YOUR PROPERTY. I JUST MEAN AS YOU GO FURTHER INTO THE PARK AND NEAR THE TREE LINE AND STUFF. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ADDING A FEW AMENITIES THERE IS, IS HOW YOU, YOU START GETTING BETTER USAGE OF IT AND LEVERAGING, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY. SO THE, THE GOAL IS NOT TO CREATE PROBLEMS FOR YOU GUYS, OBVIOUSLY, OF COURSE. YEAH, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF A PARK, BUT IT JUST, WE JUST WANT TO PROTECT OUR EASEMENT THERE GOING INTO OUR GARAGES AND OUR PARK. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE TEN YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT KEEPS COMING UP EVERY FEW YEARS, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THROUGH THERE. SO WE JUST NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING OR SOMETHING TO PROTECT US, I GUESS. RIGHT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. ANY OTHER MR. STEWART? SO I WAS DAVE STEWART. I WAS RUNNING PLANT TWO WHEN THOSE GARAGES WERE BUILT AND THEY WERE PERMITTED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND NOBODY ON THE CITY STAFF PICKED UP THAT THOSE BUILDINGS WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. AND AT LEAST ONCE IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST, WHEN I WAS RUNNING THAT PLANT, THE SKY ROOM PARTICIPATED IN A COMPLETE OVERLAY OF THE AREA. SO WE PAID FOR OUR PORTION AND THEY PAID FOR THEIR PORTION. I DO KNOW THAT ALL THE UTILITIES IN THE INTERIOR HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, BECAUSE I PUT THE NEW WATER LINE IN ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE SKY ROOM AND THE CITY. AS A COURTESY TO THE SKY ROOM, WE BUILT THE SECOND ENTRANCE AND HAD ALL OUR DELIVERY TRUCKS COME IN THERE. BASICALLY, IT WAS EASIER TO BACK THE TRUCKS IN, BUT THE CITY HAS A LONG RELATIONSHIP OF COOPERATION JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THIS THING

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HOWEVER, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE FAMILIES THAT I TALKED TO IS WISH WE COULD GET THE PLAYGROUND IN PHASE ONE IF WE COULD AFFORD TO PUT MORE MONEY IN IT FOR PHASE ONE. EVERYONE WANTS SOME KIND OF PLAYGROUND FOR THE KIDS, SO. AND I KNOW THAT'S PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW, BUT IF I HAD MY WISHES, I'D SAY, HEY, LET'S GO FOR BROKE AND DO A LITTLE MORE IN PHASE ONE. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK UP IN SUPPORT OF THE PARK AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMING OUT WITH MORE PRIORITIES AND THINGS AS WE DEVELOP THE PLAN FOR PARKS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. ENRIQUE LOPEZ AND I ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT ON THE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE, THE CONDOMINIUMS. AND THAT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, YEAH. SO ON THIS SIDE. SO BASICALLY MY, MY PROPERTY IS ON THE CORNER OF DON DRIVE AND LYNN. YEAH. LYNN AND DON. YEAH. LYNN AND DON. YEAH, SORRY. SO ANYWAYS, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, AND I'M ALL FOR THE PARK. OKAY, BUT I GUESS ONE OF MY CONCERNS, SINCE I OWN TWO ACRES, YOU KNOW, I USUALLY I USE THE WHOLE THING. I USE THE PARK. I USE EVERYTHING FOR MY DOGS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE ENJOY IT.

BUT NOW ONCE IT BECOMES OFFICIAL, OFFICIAL THAT IT'S A PARK, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A LITTLE SOME KIND OF TRANSITION. SO PEOPLE KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY A FENCE, BUT SOME KIND OF TRANSITION. SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT NOW NOW YOU'RE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE OTHER THING IS, AND THIS IS I'M I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARK RULES. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEN VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO ME IS THE LIGHTING. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HEADLIGHTS OR LOTS OF LIGHTS. YOU KNOW, LIGHTING UP THE WHOLE PARK. BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PARK. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WHEN IT WAS THE PUMP STATION, I WAS I WANTED TO BUY THAT PIECE OF REAL ESTATE AND I WAS UNABLE TO. BUT THIS IS THE NEXT BEST THING. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? DAVID, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE DAVID COMING OUT OF RETIREMENT DOING ALL THIS SORT OF STUFF. SO, I MEAN, HE'S HE'S A GODSEND FOR US. THANK YOU DAVID. NICE.

DAVID. WORKING. JUST MY GENERAL SUPPORT. AND THEN ALSO IF THE CITY IS AMICABLE TO FIND SOLUTIONS, LIKE IF THERE'S ISSUES OF SAFETY, IF WE'RE BACKING IN OR AS ENRIQUE SAID, ISSUES OF LIGHTING OR KNOWING WHERE THE DELINEATION ACTUALLY IS OF THE PARKS, I'M WILLING TO ALSO SUPPORT THERE AND AT LEAST DONATE LABOR OR TIME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN GET PHASE TWO TO HAPPEN FASTER TO HAVE AN ACTUAL PARK FOR THE KIDS. SO.

ANY OF YOU ALL FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS THING HAPPEN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL. ANY

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BUT KEEP IN MIND, THOSE PHASES INCLUDE REMOBILIZATION, ETC. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR REDUCTION IN COSTS IF YOU DO IT IN A FELL SWOOP. AND THEN COVEY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BUILD IN A 8% COST ESCALATOR FOR EACH YEAR THAT WE DELAY THOSE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. AND STAY THERE, BECAUSE THIS NEXT QUESTION IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AS WELL. SO IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG YOU ALL ARE, BUT IS IT IS THE SUBCOMMITTEE PREPARED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE RELATIVE PRIORITY OF THESE PHASES OF DAWN CIRCLE PARK VERSUS SPENDING MONEY AT MOUNTAIN POINT VERSUS WHATEVER ELSE MAY BE ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND WHAT WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE? LOOK. SURE. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE. SO BASED. SO WE'RE DRAFTING AT THIS POINT IS WHERE WE ARE HAVING REVIEWED A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS AND INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WAS DONE BY HALF. BUT ONE OF THE PRIMARY. THINGS THAT WAS SET BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE VIA THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO HALF THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WAS DEVELOPMENT OF NEW PARKLAND. SO THIS FITS THAT BILL. AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS THAT WILL BE LISTED. SO INCLUDED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WILL BE A LIST OF PRIORITIZED PROJECTS, AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. BUT ONE OF THOSE ISSUES IS THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW PARK. AND ARE YOU THINKING ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? IT'LL BE PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. SO IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE IN YOUR YOUR LIST THINGS TO BE DONE ABOUT IN POINT. YES, YES, ALL, ALL OF THE PARKS WOULD BE REFERENCED THERE, AS WELL AS ANY CURRENTLY OWNED PARCELS BY THE CITY, LIKE BONANZA, LIKE THIS ONE. LIKE THE PARCEL UP NEAR THE OLD FIRE STATION. THOSE WILL BE REFERENCED AS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE POSSIBLE PROCUREMENT OF ADDITIONAL LAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN COMMENTS FOR COUNCIL PURPOSES. I THINK THE LAST WE HEARD, THE THE TREE MITIGATION TREE MITIGATION FUND IS SITTING AT ABOUT $900,000. AND, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO OUR HOTEL THAT WE APPROVED, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE GOT A $200,000 TREE MITIGATION BILL COMING. SO THAT BUT BUT IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TREE MITIGATION FUND HAS BEEN PRETTY STAGNANT. THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH IN THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S BEEN SITTING AT AROUND 900,000 FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, MAYBE TWO. AND SO I WILL CLOSE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN INFINITELY DEEP POOL OF MONEY TO SPEND ON PARKS. SO WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL ABOUT SPENDING TOO QUICKLY. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, WHICH I SAID RECENTLY TO COUNCIL, IS REMEMBER THAT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND WAS TO PROTECT TREES AND PLANT TREES WHEN TREES GET CUT DOWN. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE UNWISE TO SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY ON PARKS. I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF SPENDING SOME OF IT ON PARKS, BUT I HATE FOR US TO BURN THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUCKET OF MONEY ON PARKS AND NOT DO ANYTHING FOR PLANTING TREES IN AREAS WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO I AGREE. AND YET I'M.

GOING. WE HAVE SO AVOIDED DOING ANYTHING IN THIS CITY REALLY SINCE SUNSET PARK. AND QUITE

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DATA HAS SHOWN NEW PARKLANDS DEVELOPING OF NEW PARKLANDS IS IS WAS LIKE ONE OF THE HIGHEST OTHER THAN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE'RE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. MARK, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS FAR AS THAT RANKING GOES. YEAH. MY ONE CONCERN ABOUT BOTH OF THESE IS THAT IT'S THE NEW THING. IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. BUT ARE WE SAYING WE'RE DONE WITH SUNSET PARK? ARE WE DONE IMPROVING THE LOWER FIELDS? I MEAN, I'VE HEARD FROM HUNDREDS OF PARENTS ABOUT THE HOW UNHAPPY THEY ARE WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE, THE SUPPORT THAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE SPORTS ARE GETTING RIGHT. AND THERE'S SO MUCH THAT COULD BE DONE AT SUNSET. AND THOSE ARE GETTING USED SIGNIFICANTLY. IF THEY WERE BETTER. WHERE'S THAT RANKING ON YOUR GUYS'S? IT IS. IT IS DEFINITELY IN THE MIX. WE HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED THAT RIGHT NOW. THE HOT FOOTBALL OR YOU KNOW THE THE HOT POTATO ARE THESE TWO PROJECTS RIGHT HERE. BUT SUNSET PARK IN THE LONG TERM AND MAYBE NEAR TERM SHADE.

I BELIEVE A LOT OF THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. BUT YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY IT'S ON THE RADAR AND IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY. I, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE SHOULD REVISIT IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE BALL FIELDS, THE SOCCER FIELD, WE SHOULD BE CHARGING A FEE FOR THOSE THROUGH THE YOUTH LEAGUES. AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY RESISTANT OF THAT. AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE ONE OF THOSE GENTLEMAN AGREEMENT THAT GOES WAY BACK. THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR THAT. I CAN ASSURE YOU OTHER CITIES CHARGE FOR THE USE OF THE FIELDS, WHETHER IT'S PRACTICE OR GAMES. SO THAT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE SOME OF THE COSTS AND PAY FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS ACTUALLY. THANK YOU. YEP. ANDREW. SORRY, MARK WAS OUT AND I WASN'T I WASN'T SURE IF HE WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU TO. ANYWAY. YES, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED SOME STUFF. THE PROBLEM WITH SUNSET IS IT'S MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I MEAN, AS YOU JUST SAW, NOW WE'RE TALKING 100, 120 GRAND. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN PUTTING A I THINK THERE'S A ADA PATH THAT NEEDS TO GO IN DOWN THERE AT. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY 8000 GRAND. ANYTHING ELSE YOU TOOK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HALF A MILLION PLUS. AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO STOMACH THAT AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY TO BRING UP YOUR YOUR DAY JOB, BUT AT THE POE PARK, WHAT DAY JOB? I JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH BOTH OF THESE, THE, THE FIRST AMENITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN IS A WALKING PATH. I MEAN, THAT THE POE PARKS. HOW ATTRACTIVE IS HAVING A CRUSHED GRANITE WALKING PATH? HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES THAT BRING TO A PARK? WHEN YOU OPEN UP A PATH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS. THE ONE BEHIND I PUT IN THE ONE BEHIND THE THE THE ACTIVITY CENTER. I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS. I DID IT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. EVERY TIME I GO, THERE'S SOMEBODY ON IT. IT'S ACTUALLY BUSIER THAN COW PATH NOW, SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. I'VE JUST PUT ONE IN IN GREEN SHORE.

THAT'S. GRIMSHAW WAS A PARK THAT NEVER GOT USED. EVERY TIME I GO THERE THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE NOW. AND WHAT'S THE CONTINUOUS MAINTENANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ON THOSE. THE PEOPLE WITH THESE E-BIKES, ARE THEY CREATING ANY ISSUES WITH THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF THEM? THEY WERE TO START WITH, BUT THEY, THEY THAT'S KIND OF DIED DOWN, I THINK, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CITY WIDE, IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN THE CITY WIDE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S EDUCATION. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE GONE TWO DECADES WITHOUT KIDS RIDING BIKES, BASICALLY. I MEAN, IF WE ALL THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T OUR PARENTS THAT TAUGHT US. IT WAS OUR OLDER SIBLINGS OR COUSINS OR WHOEVER TAUGHT US TO STOP STOP SIGNS, NOT TO DO, NOT TO DO THIS, NOT THESE KIDS ARE THE FIRST GENERATION. SO IT'S EDUCATION. AND I THINK IT'S

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WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS WHAT OUR ACTUAL WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE MONIES THAT ARE NEEDED. SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE WE'RE LIKE HOLDING OUR BREATH HERE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREE MITIGATION FUNDS, THOSE ARE FUNDS THAT WE ARE EARMARKED FOR THAT THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. BUT WHEN WE START GETTING INTO OTHER FUNDING, WHICH DAVID DESPERATELY NEEDS, WE'VE GOT TO ALSO ANSWER THAT SIP WATER WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN. AND SO I THINK THAT ONCE WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THAT, WE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF CAPACITIES WE CAN HAVE TO PUT THE THROTTLE DOWN AND ASSIST IN TERMS OF THE VISIONS THAT HAS BEEN CREATED HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY $0.02. DO YOU STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN? NO. YES, I HAVE, MR. BENNEFIELD. OKAY.

NUMBER ONE, I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION WAS MISSING OUT OF THE AGENDA. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING OVER THE AGENDA. I TRY TO GO LOOK AT THINGS.

NOTHING WAS IN THE PACKET, SO IT MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BE UP HERE WITH ANY KIND OF INFORMED DECISION. COMING INTO TODAY'S MEETING. NUMBER TWO. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BRAD REGARDING BOWDEN POINT. SPECIFICALLY, KTVB IS WANTING TO DO THIS PROJECT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE AN ORGANIZATION, A GROUP CLUB. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OFFICIALLY A 501, C THREE OR ANY OTHER LEGAL TYPE OF ENTITY. IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH THE CITY GIVING THEM FUNDS TO THEN GO HIRE CONTRACTORS OR DO ANYTHING AT THIS? LIKE I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT BETTER SUITED FOR THEM TO DO THIS PROJECT WITH AS THEM THEM AS AN ENTITY, OR IS IT BETTER FOR THE CITY TO DO THIS PROJECT UNDER KIND OF THEIR DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION? MY PREFERENCE IS ALWAYS FOR THE CITY TO CONTROL THE. USE AND EXPENDITURE OF ITS OF FUNDS. AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WHAT MECHANISM IS, IS BEING PROPOSED TO. FOR KKLVB TO DO THAT. THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS, ARE WE COMPLIANT WITH ANY BIDDING REQUIREMENTS, ANY PUBLIC NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST ISSUE. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T FUNNEL MONEY TO A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT WOULD IN AN AMOUNT THAT THAT EVEN IF IT'S FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THAT IN AN AMOUNT THAT THAT SKIRTS BIDDING REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, SO IF OTHERWISE, THOUGH, IF IT IF BIDDING IS NOT REQUIRED, YOU CAN, BUT IT OUGHT TO BE PAPERED UP PROPERLY SO THAT THEY ACT AS A, WHOEVER IT IS, WHATEVER THE ENTITY IS, THEY ACT AS A AS A GCA GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR YOU. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROPER CONTROLS ARE IN PLACE TO MONITOR AND REPORTS. AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT THAT YOU LET FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT MANAGER WHO OVERSEES IT AND THEY REPORT TO THE PROJECT MANAGER AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, APPLICABLE. DOCUMENTATION OF, OF EXPENDITURES AND SO FORTH. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IT DEPENDS. SO, SO NO, I AGREE, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE VARIOUS COMPETITIVE BIDS AND WHETHER THOSE PROTOCOLS WERE FOLLOWED AND WHETHER THIS WOULD BE BEST TO BE INSTALLED BY THE CITY OR BY CLUB, AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL THAT WAS OUTSOURCED PROPERLY. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE CONCERN. I IT'S NOT A CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER WE DO THE PROJECT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF

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AND THAT CAN MAKE FOR A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE. AND SO THERE IS THAT COST OVER TIME.

BUT IT IS A SOFTER, GENERALLY SOFTER APPEARANCE. ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE REALITIES IS THAT TWO PLACES THAT WE HAD DG PATHS UP AT SUNSET, THEY WERE NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY. THERE'S NO CONTAINMENT WHATSOEVER. AND SO ONE IS COMPLETELY WASHED OUT AND THE OTHER IS A MESS. EVERY TIME IT RAINS AND THE WIND BLOWS. SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE. BUT IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, IT ACTUALLY CAN LAST FOR SOME TIME. IT IS, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL ESTHETIC OVER AT BOWDEN POINT. BUT IN TRUTH, IMPERVIOUS CONCRETE IS IS UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE. IT'S EASY TO TRAVERSE SO LONG AS YOU'RE MAINTAINING APPROPRIATE SLOPES, YOU KNOW, ACCESS POINTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE EASIER AND MAINTENANCE OF IT AGAIN, SO LONG AS IT'S DONE PROPERLY, IT IT ENDURES MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN DG WILL. YEAH. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT MOUNTAIN POINT, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A CURVE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO THE AMOUNT OF WATER MOVING THROUGH THERE, THERE'S ONLY THE ONE KIND OF DITCH. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A KIND OF A WALKING PATH BRIDGE OVER IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS GOING TO BE MOVING THROUGH THERE. IF YOU WERE TO YIELD A RECOMMENDATION AND MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ASKED THIS, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT DECOMPOSED GRANITE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, OR DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONCRETE? ACTUALLY, I WOULD PREFER CONCRETE JUST BECAUSE A AGAIN, UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE MAINTENANCE IS MUCH EASIER AND THE LONGEVITY IS IS MUCH BETTER THAN DG IS. AND WEATHER CONDITIONS HERE ARE PRETTY ROUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THE OTHER CONCERN IT SOMEWHAT MIRRORS WHAT MR. PRINCE WAS TALKING ABOUT. SUNSET PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LIMITATION OF SUNSET PARK IS THE SHADE AND WATER. IF WE HAD WATER AT SUNSET PARK, YOU COULD TRULY TURN THESE BALLFIELDS INTO TOURNAMENTS AND OTHER TYPES OF WHERE WE COULD CHARGE MONEY AND BRING, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT VERY, VERY NICE. AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SPENDING ALL OF OUR BUDGETS ON THINGS AND THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDS TO BRING IN THE TREES AND TO DO THE OTHER TYPES OF MITIGATING FACTORS THAT COULD MAKE SUNSET PARK NOT JUST A LOCAL HOTSPOT, BUT A REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, DRAW TO OUR TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO BE COGNITIVE THERE. AND MAYBE MY LAST POINT HERE IS KIND OF ALL COHESIVE AND IT DOES INVOLVE YOU IS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT A, LIKE A, A BIKE PARK AT CEDAR BREAKS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARK AT DAWN DRIVE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOWDEN POINT. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE $900,000. WE'RE ABOUT TO GET ANOTHER $200,000. WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE 1.1 MILLION. WHERE DO ALL THESE THINGS LINE UP AS FAR AS PRIORITY AND DOLLARS? RIGHT. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE 80,000 TO THIS PROJECT HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO 300,000 OVER HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS BIKE TRACK OVER HERE, WHERE DOES THAT WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? AND I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT SAYS IF WE DO A, B AND C, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS LEFT OVER, BUT WE CAN RECOUP AND THEN WE CAN DO THIS AND THIS. I GUESS MAYBE JUST LIKE A, A GAME PLAN. YEAH.

THE SO THE INTERESTING THING IS THERE ARE MULTIPLE GAME PLANS UNDERWAY. ONE OF THEM THAT IS NOT UNDERWAY IS A TREE PLANTING PLAN, WHICH MAY BE WORTH CONSIDERING SPECIFICALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT CURRENTLY TODAY WE'RE SITTING ON 900 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS

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DISPERSAL HAS TO INCREASE RIGHT NOW, NOT INCREASE, NOT DECREASE. AND SO YOU COULDN'T EVEN SCRATCH ADDITIONAL LAND OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW UNDER PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES, IN TERMS OF CONDITION OF THE BALL FIELDS, THE TEAM ACTUALLY SPENT WEEKS OUT THERE REALLY IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF THOSE BALL FIELDS. SPENT ABOUT $20,000 OUT THERE BETWEEN BALL FIELDS AND THE SOCCER FIELD. WE DUMPED SAND INTO THE INFIELD SO THAT THE WATER WOULD PERCOLATE BETTER THAN IT USED TO. WE'VE MADE SOME REAL EFFORTS FOR GREENING THE FACILITY, BUT LIKE HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY, WE GET TO WATER TWICE A WEEK. THAT'S A BIT ROUGH ON A BALL FIELD OR ON A SOCCER FIELD. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ADDRESSING THE EFFLUENCE ISSUE, WE'RE POURING POTABLE WATER OUT THERE. IT'D BE FABULOUS IF WE COULD USE TYPE ONE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT. YEAH. WE COULD MOVE FROM TWO DAYS A WEEK OF WATERING TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK OF WATERING, AND YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT REALLY GREEN AND PRISTINE FIELDS. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES, YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S ONE SENSE IN WHICH THE PRCAC SUBCOMMITTEE GOING THROUGH THIS PARKS MASTER PLAN CAN ESTABLISH PRIORITIES, BUT THERE ARE ACTUALLY BIGGER POLICY PRIORITIES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, INFRASTRUCTURE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL DOMINOES. BUT I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. I THINK WHEN YOU DID YOUR PRESENTATION FOR DON AND THE DIFFERENT PHASES, YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER. AM I MAKING SENSE? THERE WAS LIKE. THE POCKET PARK MONEY FROM THIS YEAR. YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK, YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO THEM AND HAVE THEM KIND OF REDESIGN THINGS AND WHICH YOU SAW. SO THE CONCEPTUAL THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THREE OF THE ONES THAT I PREVIOUS. YEAH.

SO IS THAT THE RESULTS OF THAT EXERCISE OR IS THIS COMPLETELY SEPARATE? NO, THAT IS MERELY A CONCEPTUAL. SO IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY NEED FORMAL DRAWINGS FOR THE PROJECT. AND THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE INVESTMENT OF THE $15,000 WOULD

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I, I HAD NOT KNOWN THAT YOU GUYS WERE WANTING TO DO LIKE A WALKWAY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PHOTO SHOOTS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS AMAZING. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. BUT WITH ALL THE PRIORITIES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON, I WOULD I WOULD JUST RATHER PERSONALLY SEE IT SAY, HEY, IF WE COULD DO IT FOR 30,000 AND HAVE THIS REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET THE EXTRA JUICE OUT OF THE ADDITIONAL 50,000 JUST BY TURNING IT INTO CONCRETE, AND MAINTENANCE OVER CONCRETE CAN BE A LOT OF WORK. HAVING TO MOW AROUND IT AND WE'D EAT AROUND IT. WHEREAS WITH CRUSHED GRANITE, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE RIGHT OVER IT. SO I THINK THERE'S ADVANTAGES BOTH WAYS DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S INSTALLED. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE OR DECOMPOSED GRANITE. I JUST WOULD PROBABLY PREFER IT BEING DECOMPOSED, CRUSHED GRANITE FOR THE CHEAPER PRICE. AND I THINK I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE CITY INITIATE THE BID PROCESS AND OVERSEE THE INSTALLATION. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. PRINCE? THIS IS A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR DAN. SO IN PAST PROJECTS, AND I'M THINKING OF THE ART STRUCTURE AT THE END OF DAWN DRIVE, DID THE CITY ACTUALLY ADMINISTER ALL OF THAT OR OR WAS CALEB OR DAN SELLERS UNINCORPORATED THE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THAT? CALEB DID DID THE LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY, JOSH RAY, WHO WAS THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, HE FORMED A COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S AND IT WAS A CITY FUNDED ART SCULPTURE. CALEB DID NOT FUND THAT, DID NOT OVERSEE THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE ALONG WITH I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER CLUB MEMBER, BUT OKAY, I WAS ON IT. BUT THAT THAT CAME ABOUT THROUGH THROUGH THE CITY CHANNELS WITH JOSH RAY LEADING UP THAT COMMITTEE. RIGHT. SO SO KIND OF BACK TO WHAT MR. BULLOCK WAS SAYING IN THAT EXAMPLE. AND I WAS ASSUMING IN THIS CASE THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR THE CITY'S PIECE OF IT, IF YOU WILL. AND JUST LIKE WITH, WITH THE, THE DON POINT, I THINK THE CITY BOUGHT THE PLANTS. IS THAT RIGHT? THE CITY BOUGHT THE PLANTS AND YOU ALL INSTALLED THEM, OR DID CALEB ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE PLANTS FOR INSTALLATION OF THE SCULPTURE OR OF THE PLANTS? THE THE SITE? NO, NO, COLBY, THE ONLY THING CALEB DIDN'T DO WAS OVERSEE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SCULPTURE. WE. YOU OVERSAW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL AND PURCHASED THE PLANTS AND INSTALLED THE PLANTS, IRRIGATION, ALL OF IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. WE DID. WE DID ALL THAT. YEAH. SO, DAN, I KNOW THE PRAC MEETING.

YOU PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU GUYS WERE PROPOSING TO

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AND MAYBE I CAN BRING THAT TO US. BUT UNDERSTANDING WHERE A PROJECT THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE FITS IN WITH THOSE MANY OTHER PRIORITIES SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE EXPENDING LIMITED FUNDS ON THOSE THAT HAVE THE GREATEST COMMUNITY IMPACT. AND I DO THINK SUNSET PARK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED UP, UP AMONG THOSE TOP PRIORITIES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, BEFORE I OPEN IT FOR A MOTION, I GUESS WHAT I'LL MAKE IS MY REQUEST IS THAT IT'S TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. I WOULD TREAT EACH PARK SEPARATELY. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE VOTING POINT PARK. CANDIDLY, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF KALEB, BUT I WAS TOLD NOT BY KALEB PERSON THAT I SHOULD SHUT UP AND SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'LL BE VIEWED AS A VITAL SUPPORT. THIS PROJECT. I DON'T SUPPORT KALEB AND I JUST DON'T FUNDAMENTALLY THINK THAT'S TRUE. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS HIGH ON THE PRIORITY LIST. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GET HIGH USAGE.

AND IN GENERAL, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB WITH BOILING POINT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL THE WAY THAT IT IS. I DON'T THINK I LIKE THE ESTHETICS OF A WALKWAY GOING THROUGH THERE, BUT I THINK I'M ON THE MINORITY OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT WE SPLIT THOSE VOTES. I DO HAVE THE PROBLEM THAT I THINK WE'RE NOT WORKING FROM A GAME PLAN.

THIS IS SOMETHING SPORADIC THAT'S COME UP AND NOW WE'RE VOTING ON IT. I DON'T SEE REASONS TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS. I DO THE OPPOSITE. I SEEK REASONS WHY WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND IT. AND THAT'S WHY LATER ON, I HAVE DIFFERENT TOPICS COMING UP ABOUT TYPE ONE, WHICH I'M GLAD DAVID BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE THE TYPE ONE DISCUSSION HAS BIG IMPACTS ON THE FUTURE OF PARKS. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION AS IT COMES TO THE DAWN DRIVE PARK.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT HIGH ON THE LIST EITHER. NOT EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ONE AS WELL.

BUT IF THAT IS GOING TO GO FORWARD, I DO ASK THAT WE DO RIGHT BY THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. I REALLY THINK THAT THE FIGURING OUT THIS EASEMENT SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE ITEM. IT WAS TEXTED TO ME TO REMIND ME SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS THAT IT ISN'T ZONED AS A PARK RIGHT NOW. AND SO MY QUESTION FOR BRAD IS, AS YOU GO THROUGH

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AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I WOULD RECOMMEND DEALING WITH THE EASEMENT ISSUE. AND HOWEVER THAT ULTIMATELY RESOLVES. AND I SENT YOU ALL A EMAIL ON THAT. I WANT TO DISCUSS IT, BUT I SENT YOU AN EMAIL JUST TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND. BUT, BUT, BUT I WOULD RESOLVE THE EASEMENT ISSUE. CERTAINLY BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT TO THE PUBLIC, IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY ZONED, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, USED BY THE PUBLIC PROPERLY RIGHT NOW, THEN THEN I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD RESOLVE THAT EASEMENT ISSUE FIRST BECAUSE THERE ARE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND SOME CONCERNS LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE ISSUES NEED TO BE RESOLVED SO THAT YOU DON'T RUN INTO SOME CONFLICT IF IT'S ALREADY OPEN AND BEING USED BY THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO RESOLVE THAT EASEMENT FIRST. WELL, THAT'S JUST MY ASK OF COUNCIL IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING FORWARD WITH IT, LET'S PLEASE COMMIT TO ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN EARLY.

MR. BENNEFIELD BRAD, CAN I JUST ONE MORE OPINION FROM YOU? YOU HEARD FROM MR. SELLERS, KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE LOCAL INDIVIDUAL THAT'S WORKED WITH CLUB OVER THE YEARS, AND HE DOES THINGS BASICALLY AT COST. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT US APPROVING THE PROJECT AT BOUGHTON POINT, WITH HIM BEING THE CONTRACTOR AS THE WAY IT WAS SET UP? OR YOU TALKED ABOUT A BIDDING PROCESS EARLIER? I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD, MR. SELLERS KIND OF GIVE US MORE INFORMATION. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO I WHAT'S THE I MEAN, I GUESS I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HOW MUCH IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE APPROVED. WELL, IF WE DO CONCRETE, IT'S ABOUT $70,000. IF WE DO DECOMPOSED CRUSHED GRANITE, I WOULD THINK MUCH LESS. YEAH. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE RECENTLY RAISED THE BIDDING REQUIREMENT FROM 50 TO 100,000. SO BUT SINCE BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE BELOW IT, ARE YOU YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED. YOU MAY MAKE AN EXPENDITURE OF LESS THAN. AND IF YOU ARE PAYING BASICALLY CLUB OR THE INDIVIDUAL TO KIND OF ADMINISTER A PUBLIC PROJECT, THEN IT'S NOT GRATUITOUS. AND SO YOU CAN MAKE THE EXPENDITURE. THE QUESTION IS JUST THE LAW REQUIRES BIDDING AND COMPETITIVE PRICING ON NOW EXPENDITURES OVER $100,000. YOU ALL KNOW IT USED TO BE $50,000, BUT INFLATION AND WHATNOT. BUT YOU MAY STILL YOU MAY STILL GO THROUGH COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST PRICE. I DON'T I HAVE NO OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PRICE OFFERED IS GOOD OR BAD. I JUST DON'T YOU KNOW THAT I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY GOOD. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS AN EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, IT'S NEVER A YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF TRANSPARENCY IS NEVER A BAD IDEA EITHER. SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT'S A POLICY CALL. IF YOU WANT TO COMPETITIVELY PROCURE BELOW 100, YOU CAN. PREPARE. YEAH. PER POLICY, WE HAVE TO HAVE AT DISTRICT WORKS ANYTHING ABOVE $3,000. OKAY. AND SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU.

OKAY. WELL, THERE YOU GO. SO MY QUESTION, ERIC, IS HOW FEASIBLE IS IT TO GET MULTIPLE QUOTES, ONE FOR DECOMPOSED CRUSHED GRANITE, ONE FOR CONCRETE. AND THEN THOSE OPTIONS GET BROUGHT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN READY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHICH WAY IS BEST AT THAT TIME. IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH, WE CAN DO SEPARATE ONES, ONE FOR DECOMPOSED GRANITE AND ONE FOR CONCRETE WITH THREE QUOTES FOR EACH. YEAH. MR. PRINCE, SO BEFORE MOTION GETS MADE, I WANT TO CLEAR MY POSITION IS. I THINK WE NEED A THE BIG PICTURE.

RIGHT. WHICH MR. HALL AND OTHERS WERE CALLING FOR. SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE YES ON EITHER OF THESE THINGS TONIGHT. THE THE THE, THE SUGGESTION FROM THE COMMITTEE ON, ON THE DAWN POINT WAS THAT IT BE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO, SO I, I WOULD SAY I'M

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I'M OPEN TO A MOTION, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, MR. BENNEFIELD, I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO PROCURE TWO SETS OF BIDS FOR BOUGHTON POINT. ONE BID THAT WOULD INCLUDE INSTALLING A CONCRETE WALKWAY, MEETING THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE CLUB PRESENTATION TODAY, AND A SECOND SET OF QUOTES FOR THE DECOMPOSED CRUSHED GRANITES.

AND THEN, ONCE THOSE ARE DETERMINED, HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

AND MR. BONFIELD, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAID TWO, YOU. IT'S THREE QUOTES PER. YEAH, MINIMUM OF THREE QUOTES PER. SO TO OBTAIN THREE QUOTES, ONE FOR THE DECOMPOSED CRUSHED GRANITE AND OBTAIN THREE QUOTES FOR THE DECOMPOSED CRUSHED GRANITE. AND THEN THOSE QUOTES CAN BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DETERMINATION. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BENNEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM MISS VAN NESS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MR. PRINCE? YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT ON THE ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT FOR QUOTES IS NOT SPENDING DOLLARS. IT IS SPENDING CITY STAFF TIME. AND SO I THINK IN MY MIND, A VOTE YES TO GO GET QUOTES IS IMPLICITLY A VOTE FOR I'M PREPARED TO APPROVE A CONTRACT. AND SINCE I ALREADY SAID I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT, BUT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO AGAINST THAT. EVEN THOUGH THE ACTUAL ACT OF QUOTES IS IS ONLY USING CITY STAFF TIME. MR. BENNEFIELD, THE THE ONLY REASON I'D LIKE YOU TO MAYBE RECONSIDER IS KALEB DID PRESENT THIS LAST YEAR AND THE COMMITMENT, THE COMMITMENT OF CITY COUNCIL DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE WAS THAT WE WERE PREPARED TO APPROVE THIS IN 2026. IF AND WHEN THEY HAD A PREPARED AND PLANNED PRESENTATION, WHICH THEY DO HAVE TODAY. AND SO I DO RESPECT THE FACT OF ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS WITH SUNSET AND DAWN. I MEAN, I DO THINK WE DO NEED A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT, BUT TO HONOR THE COMMITMENT THAT THE CITY MADE TO KALEB, THAT'S WHY I FEEL COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING WITH THAT LOW DOLLAR BUDGET ITEM THAT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR TAXPAYERS. IT IS MONEY OUT OF OUR MITIGATION FUND. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I FEEL COMFORTABLE BECAUSE I DO I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I FEEL COMFORTABLE BY GIVING BACK TO KALEB FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US AT THIS LOW DOLLAR VALUE. YEAH, AND THAT'S FAIR. I'LL JUST SAY THIS ONE THING. MY PERSONAL MEMORY IS LAST YEAR WE SAID WE NEED TO SPEND LESS THIS YEAR. AND SO THAT THAT PROJECT WAS REMOVED FROM THE LIST. I DON'T REMEMBER COUNCIL SAYING, BRING IT BACK TO US NEXT YEAR AND WE'LL WE'LL APPROVE IT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, MY MEMORY. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY IMPLICIT APPROVAL. BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A SPACE NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S GET OUR PRIORITY LIST AND, AND MAKE THIS DECISION IN CONTEXT OF THE PRIORITY, NOT AS AN ISOLATED DECISION. SO. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY.

IT'S APPROVED 5 TO 2. MISS FITNESS. SO I GUESS A PROCESS QUESTION THEN ON THE DAWN CIRCLE PART BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DAVID PIRAK ETC. HAVE KIND OF MARCHING ORDERS.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS UNDERSTANDING GETTING INSIDE LINE OF SIGHT INTO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WILL ALSO BE GOING FULL BORE INTO THE BUDGETING PROCESS. AND DAVID ALREADY HAS HIS BUDGET PUT TOGETHER AND SOME OTHER CIP ITEMS AS WELL. I HEARD GENERALLY SUPPORT FOR DAWN CIRCLE PARK AT LEAST PHASE ONE. AND THERE'S A SUGGESTION. MAYBE WE GO AHEAD AND GET SOME OF THE PHASE TWO ELEMENTS IN IT AS WELL. SO THAT COULD BE A HIGHER AMOUNT OUT OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE APPETITE FOR THAT. WE'RE ASKING IT NOT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE FISCAL YEAR THAT'LL START IN OCTOBER. SO WE HAVE SOME TIME TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES AROUND THE EASEMENT AND THE REZONING. SO IF DIRECTIONALLY WE THINK, YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION, WE COULD START WORK ON THOSE TWO ITEMS TODAY, BASICALLY TOMORROW TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD. AND I GUESS I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE APPETITE ON DAWN CIRCLE PARK AS THE CIP PROJECT FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR. I KNOW WE STILL HAVE TO ULTIMATELY VOTE ON THAT BUDGET, BUT IS THAT DIRECTIONALLY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE DAVID HAS DIRECTION. THAT IS CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL.

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MAYOR PRO TEM. SO IN MY MIND, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR A LOT OF THIS. OKAY. I MEAN, I KEEP GOING BACK TO AS SOON AS WE KNOW WHAT WE GOT TO SPEND TO FIX OUR WATER, THEN ALL THESE OTHER POSSIBILITIES OPEN UP. AND THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE P RAC IS GOING TO MAKE TREMENDOUS STRIDES ALONG WITH DAVID, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN DONE, WHICH IS GOING TO END UP CREATING A LOT OF THE PRIORITIES. WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, IN REGARD TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLACES FOR E-BIKES AND HAVE THEM AS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LIST OF WANTS, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN FROM THERE IN, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I MEAN, FIRST THING, YOU GET YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE DONE, THE EDC IS GOING TO GET UNDER ITS WINGS. WE'VE GOT A GRANT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOW REALLY COMING INTO ITS OWN UNDERNEATH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS FOR US TO GET THERE. ANYWAY, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW WITH. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT MAN'S EXPERTISE, AS LONG AS I CAN GET ACCESS TO IT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'D MENTION IS, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S NO REASON TO WAIT ON FIGURING OUT THIS EASEMENT ISSUE. I MEAN, WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THEIRS.

THERE'S A CONCERN NOW. THEY'RE HERE ALREADY TALKING TO US. LET'S PLEASE KEEP THAT GOING.

IF THERE'S COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO ASK STAFF TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS SOONER THAN LATER.

AND IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, THEN THE REZONING PROCESS AS WELL. JUST INITIATING THAT, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE US HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF NOTICES HEARINGS WITH PNC AND THEN WITH COUNCIL. SO IF WE COULD WORK THOSE TWO IN TANDEM, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE. OKAY, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK IN THEORY, THE ZONING ON THIS ZONING CHANGE ON THIS SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. I MEAN, YES, YOU HAVE TO DO THE NOTICES, HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING HAS TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT WHAT I HEARD MR. BULLOCK SAYING IS BEFORE THE THE WORK IS COMPLETED AND YOU YOU OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC FOR PARK, YOU HAVE TO BE ZONED APPROPRIATELY. RIGHT. SO IF THE WORK'S NOT GOING TO START UNTIL NEXT YEAR, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GET THE ZONING DONE IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT WE SHOULD DO IT FOR SURE. AND THEN SECONDLY, I THINK IN MY VIEW, ON THE PRIORITIZATION AND SUPPORT, I, I'M, I WANT TO SEE THE LIST FROM PIRAK OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PRIORITIZATION AND WHERE DOES DAWN CIRCLE FALL ON THAT? RIGHT? PRESUMABLY IT WAS BROUGHT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU ALL THINK IT'S PRETTY HIGH. NOW, IF OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT THREE MONTHS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, YOU SAY, WELL, ACTUALLY, DON DON, POINT IS NUMBER EIGHT ON THE LIST. THERE'S SEVEN THINGS ABOVE IT.

THEN I'D SAY, WELL, WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON ENGINEERING OUT OF OUR 15,000, BUT WE SHOULD NOT SPEND THE MONEY TO GET IT. SO BUT I THINK IT COMES BACK TO PARKS MASTER PLAN. LET'S DO IT. AND SO BASED ON WHAT I KNOW TODAY, IF THEY RECOMMEND IT AS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD HAPPEN. IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND AND SAY WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD. WE AS A COUNCIL SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. SO ONE POINT I DO WANT TO MAKE BECAUSE I THINK THE TOPIC KEEPS COMING UP ABOUT E-BIKES IS WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE HALF PROJECT IS NOW ALMOST TWO YEARS OLD. ACTUALLY, SOME OF IT IS MORE THAN TWO YEARS OLD. SO IN MY READING OF IT, I DO NOT. THERE WASN'T A SINGLE REFERENCE TO E-BIKES IN THAT AT ALL. SO IF WE ARE TO GO JUST BASED UPON THAT TWO YEAR OLD INFORMATION, E-BIKES ARE

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AND SO IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF, DO WE WANT TO GO BACK AND HAVE AT LEAST ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS, OR DO WE WANT TO LEAVE? THINGS ARE BECAUSE I THINK WE WILL FIND THERE. THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO E-BIKES CURRENTLY IN ANY OF THE THE MASTER PLAN MATERIALS, BUT WE MAY FIND THAT THERE IS A DESIRE FOR THAT IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AM I

[Items XI.4 & IX.5]

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CONDITIONS OF IT. THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE LACK OF PARKING.

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE LACK OF LIGHTS. I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THEY CAME FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. THEY CAME TO OPPOSE A FEE. BUT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, YOU HEARD PLENTY ABOUT HOW INADEQUATE THEY THOUGHT THE FACILITIES WERE. AND JUST THIS WEEK THEY WERE REACHING OUT TO THE LIONS CLUB, TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S FUNDING AND ABILITY TO HELP THEM OVER THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL IN TANDEM. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING LIKE SOMEDAY GETTING THE TRAILS, THE CEDAR BREAKS? ARE WE COMMITTED AS A COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO PUSH TOWARDS TYPE ONE? I WANTED TO ASK HER TO GIVE A REPORT ON WHERE WE ARE ON. WE JUST HAD A COUPLE PERMITTING APPLICATIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO CONTINUE TO GO THAT ROUTE. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE FOR TYPE ONE AQUA AEROBICS, I GOT IN TOUCH AGAIN. THEY'RE OFFERING TO COME OUT HERE TO THE CITY NEXT WEEK OR IN THE COMING WEEKS, ACTUALLY SEE OUR FACILITIES AND GIVE US DIRECT INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THEY THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO TIE INTO OUR SYSTEM, AS OPPOSED TO WE'VE JUST BEEN THEORIZING WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO. THEY WOULD COME HERE IN PERSON AND TELL US, AND ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO THEM DOING THAT? SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO EITHER ERNESTO OR I'LL GO INTO COUNCIL. I MISSED PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, I APOLOGIZE. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

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ARE WE STILL EXPLORING THAT? SO THE ONLY THING I WAS TOLD ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS THAT IT WAS SENT TO THE LAWYER. THAT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OF IT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE POINT, WE SUPPORT GOING TO TYPE ONE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT THE PROCESS, IT TAKES A PROCESS TO DO IT. I THINK PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE WERE SAYING A LITTLE WHILE AGO WAS THAT THE AEROBICS IS GOING TO COME AND GIVE AN ASSESSMENT. THAT'S GREAT. THEY'RE OFFERING OFFERING AT NO COST, HOPEFULLY.

YEAH, THEY SAID THEY'RE OFFERING TO COME OUT HERE. IT'S UP TO Y'ALL ON THE SCHEDULING AND IF YOU WANT THAT. SO YES. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE PART OF THE WHOLE TYPE ONE SYSTEM. YOU HAVE TO DO FULL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT WE DO CEDAR BREAKS TO EXPLORE. CEDAR BREAKS THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, DO THE ANALYSIS AND MOVE FORWARD AT CEDAR BREAKS. START THERE BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A LOT IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR SYSTEM MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TECHNIQUES. IT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL STAFF, ADDITIONAL TESTING. SO THE FILTER IS ONE SECTION OF IT BECAUSE WHEN IT GOES INTO THE PONDS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOSE THE TYPE TWO TYPE ONE TESTING. BUT WHENEVER IT GOES OUT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SITE SIDE OF THINGS, YOU HAVE TO TEST IT AGAIN. THAT'S THE TEST TWICE BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE PUBLIC. SO THERE'S MORE MORE TESTING REQUIREMENT. WHAT GOES INTO TESTING? EXCUSE ME, WHAT'S REQUIRED OF TESTING? WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE THAT I'M NOT REALLY 100% WHAT IT REQUIRES, BUT I KNOW THAT THE THE LEVELS OF THE TREATMENT, IT'S THE TESTING I JUST SAW LIKE CURRENTLY, WHAT IS TESTING INVOLVE WHEN WE TEST OUR CURRENT TYPE TWO. AND SO THEN WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE PROCESS TO TEST TYPE ONE. I'LL HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THE TESTING SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT TESTING IT IS. I JUST KNOW IT REQUIRES MORE TESTING. THE TYPE OF SUSPENDED SOLIDS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN IT OR WERE USED AND ALL THAT.

I'LL GET MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT WHAT IT REQUIRES WE TEST FOR. I JUST KNOW WHENEVER IT GOES OUT TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR EFFLUENT FOR THESE CUSTOMERS, IT HAS TO BE AT THAT LEVEL, TYPE ONE. SO WE CANNOT LOSE THAT TYPE ONE LEVEL AT ANY POINT UNTIL IT GOES ON TO THE DISTRIBUTION. YES, SIR. YEAH. MR. BENNEFIELD AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL PRINCE BROUGHT THIS UP AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. SO ANYTHING I'M REGURGITATING, I THINK, IS HIS KNOWLEDGE. BUT SOMETHING I LEARNED AT OUR LAST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IS THAT I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS TYPE ONE FILTER WOULD BE INSTALLED AT OUR PLANT, AND THAT IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF OUR PONDS AT S TYPE ONE. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THE CASE IS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TO AVOID WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FILTER POST POND. SO THERE WOULD BE A FILTER AT CEDAR BREAKS OR ANY OTHER POND THAT WE'RE STORING WATER LIKE PON2.

AND THAT RIGHT AS THE WATER IS LEAVING THE POND, THEN IT GETS CONVERTED TO TYPE ONE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE MIGHT END UP WITH MORE THAN ONE SYSTEM IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OF THE CITY. AND TWO, IF IT'S BEING TREATED RIGHT AT DISTRIBUTION, WOULD THAT NEGATE THE NEED TO DO THE ADDITIONAL TESTING? NO. YOU STILL HAVE TO DO THE TESTING, NOT THE MULTIPLE TESTING THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU'D HAVE TO TEST IT AS IT GOES INTO THE POND AS TYPE ONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THAT QUALITY IF YOU'RE TESTING IF IF IT'S BEING TREATED AS IT LEAVES THE POND. SO ON 32, SEE CHAPTER 210, IT TELLS YOU WHAT TESTING IS TO BE DONE, AND IT DOES HAVE TO BE TESTED TWICE A WEEK REGARDLESS.

YEAH. SO I WOULD TAKE CEDAR BREAKS, FOR EXAMPLE. IT GOES IN THERE, IT STAYS IN THE POND.

LET'S GO. LET'S JUST SAY FOR DEBATE PURPOSES, IT GOES TO TYPE ONE, RIGHT. AND THEY WANT TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE JUST STOP RIGHT THERE. I GUESS WHAT I'M BEING CONFUSED IS, IS IT'S NOT GOING INTO THE POND. IT'S TYPE ONE. IT'S GOING INTO THE POND AS TYPE TWO, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW. BUT ISN'T, ISN'T TYPE ONE CONVERSION HAPPENING WHEN IT LEAVES THE POND? OR DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE LAST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, IS THAT TYPE TWO, ONCE WE CONVERT TYPE TWO, GOES INTO THE POND. OKAY, I FOLLOW IT NOW. AND SO SO THERE'S NO NEED TO TEST THAT. WATER IS TYPE ONE IN THE POND BECAUSE IT'S TYPE TWO. AND THEN ONLY AS THE WATER IS LEAVING THE POND, ARE WE CONVERTING IT TO TYPE ONE AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEING DISTRIBUTED. SO NO. SO YOU CAN PUT THE FILTERS AT THE PLANT. RIGHT. IT GOES INTO THE PLANT TO THE POND AS TYPE ONE. SO THE CONCERN IS,

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AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE WERE GOING TO BRING THE SUBJECT UP TO WHAT THE PLAN IS OR A PROPOSAL FOR, FOR, FOR THE COMMITTEE. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN JOIN US ON THAT, ON THAT COMMITTEE, MAYOR. AND WE CAN GO BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL. SO, OKAY, I'LL RECORD IT FOR YOU. SO IT IS A PROCESS AGAIN. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT STAFF IS FOLLOWS THIS ONCE THIS. TWO. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE ALLOCATED, WHAT KIND OF FUNDING, WHAT KIND OF WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WE HAVE.

AND JUST THE FILTER IS ONE SMALL PART OF THE WHOLE DISTRIBUTION OF EFFLUENT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN START HERE. IT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. CEDAR BREAKS COULD HAPPEN IN A YEAR IF WE'RE IF WE'RE LIKE THAT, IF WE MOVE FORWARD LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING SLOWLY GETTING ALL THOSE THINGS GOING. BUT FOR THE REMAINING OF THE DISTRIBUTION EFFLUENT, TYPE ONE FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE THAT WAY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, I GUESS. I WISH THAT SOME WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE ON IT. YOU KNOW, MR. BENNEFIELD SET UP A TOUR OF THE PLANT. THE CONCEPT WAS TO GO SEE IT, BUT THEN TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND LEARN HOW THEY DID AND WHY THEY DID IT. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE THE WHEEL HERE.

OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE ALREADY DOING IT. SO THE HOPE WAS YOU WOULD CONTINUE TALKING TO THEM AND LEARN HOW THEY DID IT AND WHY AND WHAT THAT RELATES TO OUR SYSTEM. AND THEN I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I ASKING COUNCIL THIS, I GUESS FIRST STEP WOULD BE GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND SEE WHAT PLANS THEY'D BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH YOU. AND TWO, LET'S HAVE THE ACTUAL COMPANY WHO BUILDS THEM COME OUT HERE, LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES, TELL US MORE ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT AND HOW IT GETS TIED IN. AND THAT SHOULD BE SOME GOOD GROUNDWORK. BEFORE WE JUST WAIT ON SENDING OUT AN RFQ FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TYPE ONE FOR A YEAR NOW, AND THERE'S BEEN TANGIBLE STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN, LIKE THE TOURS THAT MR. BENNEFIELD SET UP. I'M JUST HOPING TO SEE MORE PROGRESS. AND THEN SAME THING, THE APPLICATION. DAVE STEWART ALREADY FILLED IT OUT FOR US, BASICALLY, AND WE DID SEND IT OVER TO LEGAL TO CONFIRM AND REDO IT. SO HAVE YOU HEARD ANY UPDATES FROM ART ON WHERE HE IS ON ON THAT? AND DOES COUNCIL SUPPORT CONTINUING TO GO FORWARD ON THAT BUREAUCRATIC SIDE OF THINGS? SO I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM ART. I THINK WHAT HE HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID WAS THAT WHEN WE RECEIVE. GO AHEAD, I THINK HE PROVIDED A TIME FRAME FOR HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIND THAT EMAIL. I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT EMAIL FROM HIM, BUT I THINK IT WAS MONTHS, AS I RECALL, FOR THAT TIME FRAME. SO IF IF ONCE ONCE THAT'S PROCESS IS AUTHORIZED.

SO YOU TOLD ME 30 DAYS ON THE FIRST PERMIT, THERE'S TWO PERMITS. EVENTUALLY YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THE INITIAL INITIAL PERMIT. IT'S A QUICKER ONE. AND THE, THE, THE APPLICATION WAS FOR I KNOW DAVE, WHAT WAS IT, FOUR PAGES, SIX PAGES. IT ONLY TOOK ME THREE HOURS TO FILL OUT THE SEASON. YEAH. IT ONLY TOOK ME THREE HOURS TO FILL OUT THE INFORMATION TO, FOR THE PLANTS BASED OFF TO GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED TO, TO REWRITE THE EFFLUENT. THE PROBLEM THAT I RAN INTO WAS THE REGIONAL THING IS THE EXACT SAME FORM, AND YOU CAN DO BOTH AT ONCE AND MY, HIS HISTORY WITH T-C-E-Q, YOU ALWAYS TURN IN ONE FORM AND IF YOU TRY. IF WE WERE TO TURN IN THE EFFLUENT, WHICH COULD HAVE GONE IN THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT WE NEED TO RENAME TO THE REGIONAL, PARTICULARLY FOR THE ADVANTAGE THAT IT GIVES US IN FUTURE GRANTS. IT'S. IT'S THE SAME FORM THAT TOOK GOING TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT. I'LL JUST PAUSE REAL QUICK. I DON'T THINK COUNCIL IS AWARE OF WHAT THAT CONCEPT WAS, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST RENAMING THE PLANT AND TITLING IT A REGIONAL PLANT, SO THAT FUTURE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WERE GETTING CREDIT FOR BEING REGIONAL, BECAUSE WE DO TECHNICALLY COVER PARTS OF JONESTOWN. AND SO IN THE SAME PROCESS, YOU COULD NAME IT, BUT OKAY, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS BEEN A REGIONAL T-C-E-Q RECOGNIZED REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SINCE 2007, WHEN WE FIRST ACCEPTED SEWAGE FROM JONESTOWN. AND BY GOING WITH THE WEST TRAVIS COUNTY WATER RECLAMATION CENTER, IT ELEVATES US FROM THE BOTTOM OF A POOL FOR GRANTS TO THE TOP TIER. BECAUSE IF THEY

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BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CHANGE CITY NAMES FOR FACILITIES. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HUNG UP. 85% OF THE FORM IS DONE. ONLY 15% NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT NEEDS TO BE REDONE, AND IT'S SIMPLY FILLING OUT THREE FORMS AND GIVING THEM TO THE STATE, GETTING THAT PAPERWORK FROM THE STATE, PUTTING IT INTO THE BLOCK THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. AND THAT PERMIT CAN GO THROUGH. SO AND THAT'S AND HE'S RIGHT, 30 DAYS. AND NOT ONLY WILL WE BE TYPE ONE WILL BE A REGIONAL PLANT THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU GO FOR THE GRANTS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU CAN THROW REGIONAL OUT THERE. SO IT'S IT'S A HUGE WIN FOR THE CITY. IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THAT I NOTICED THAT BOTH COULD BE DONE TOGETHER. CAN I TALK ABOUT THE TYPE ONE. YEAH. OKAY.

I CAN SEE I'M GOING TO WE'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF. WE'LL GO INTO CITIZEN COMMENTS.

OKAY. MR. DAVE STEWART SO TO ECHO WHAT HE SAID, I, I STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THE APPLICATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE PUT IN IT. I DO I AM NOT AS WELL AS VERSUS MR. STEWART IS. I VALUE HIS INPUT AND HIS KNOWLEDGE. BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHAT I READ, WHAT I'VE BEEN STUDYING ON THE APPLICATION. THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT. SO WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE PERMITTED, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH, WE CAN SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, HAVE THE PERMIT, BUT THEN THAT PERMIT COMES BACK AND IT TELLS YOU YOU GOT TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE NOT READY FOR IT. THEN THERE CAN BE COMPLICATIONS. SO AND TO YOUR POINT TO WHERE YOU SAID YOU WISH IT WAS MORE DONE, WE HAVE MET WITH MARBLE FALLS. WE HAVE A MEETING WITH LIBERTY HILL TO TALK ABOUT THEIR REUSE PROGRAM AND WHAT THEY'RE USING. WE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OTHER ENTITIES AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE WORKING, TRYING TO GET DONE. IT'S A LOT OF A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN PUT ON THE BACK END OF IT. AND OFFICIALLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN. STAFF HAVE NOT RECEIVED CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS ON DO THIS A, B, C, D AND I'M HOPING THAT TONIGHT THIS IS WHAT WE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS AND THAT WE GET SOME TYPE OF. THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU CAN. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO IT FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DOABLE.

MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NEW SYSTEM THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO COME AT NO COST. OKAY. MR. HALL, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF MOVING TO A TYPE ONE EFFLUENT IS IS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. IT MAKES SENSE TO START WITH THE CEDAR BREAKS AND THEN THAT THEN FROM THERE TO SUNSET PARK, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE CEDAR BREAKS IN THE CEDAR BREAKS. THAT REQUIRES REALLY THAT THAT BEING TYPE ONE WATER DISTRIBUTED THERE BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE KIDS GOING THROUGH THERE AND GETTING TYPE TWO SPRAYED ON THEM AND OR ANYBODY ELSE. AND EVEN THE TRAIL WE HAVE CURRENTLY RUNNING NEXT TO THAT IS SUBJECT TO WIND, WIND BLOWING, THE DISPERSAL OVER THAT DIRECTION. SO ANYWAY, THAT SOLVES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I THINK IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF MOVING ON THAT THERE'S THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS WE CAN DO SIMULTANEOUSLY, I BELIEVE, WITHOUT WAITING ON PERMIT APPROVAL. AS FAR AS THE PLANNING GOES AND WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE, WE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL WAYS TO TO DISPERSE OUR EFFLUENT. AND TYPE ONE WILL, WILL GIVE ALL THAT TO US. PLUS, YOU KNOW, AS AS HAS BEEN SAID, THE MULTIPLE BENEFITS NOT USING POTABLE WATER AT SUNSET PARK AND HAVING GREENER, GREENER FIELDS AND BETTER, BETTER QUALITY PARK IN GENERAL THERE FOR OUR BALL FIELDS. SO SO AGAIN, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, AND I, I HOPE WE HOPE TO SEE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN THE PLANNING AND MOVING FORWARD AND IMPLEMENTING. AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO TO GO TOWARD THAT? BUT IT'S PART OF OUR WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW,

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AND WE NEED TO HANDLE THAT EXPEDITIOUSLY. YEAH, YEAH. SO SO YOU MENTIONED A YEAR TIMING.

SO JUST SO CEDAR BREAKS ALONE IS A PILOT PROJECT. DO YOU THINK ONCE THE PERMITS ARE DONE WITH TC, YOU'RE PROJECTING A YEAR. AND THEN I GUESS, WHAT WOULD YOUR BALLPARK BE IN TERMS OF THE COSTING OF THAT PILOT? THEN WHAT WOULD THE BALLPARK BE TO THEN EXTENDING THE DISPERSAL OF THE EFFLUENT TO SUNSET PARK? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET JUST A BALLPARK SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THE UNITS THAT DID RECEIVE THE QUOTE ROUGHLY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. I DON'T HAVE IT. I BELIEVE IT WAS 780 700,000 250,000 $750,000 FOR THE UNIT.

SO THAT'S ONE, BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, COUNTING FOR ENGINEERING, ANY TYPE OF HYDRAULICS LINES TO CEDAR, THE PARKS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT COSTS THE YEAR, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO REALLY PUT THE PEDAL TO THE METAL, THEN WE'LL START EXPLORING THAT AVENUE FOR CEDAR BREAKS. AND WE CHOSE STAFF CHOSE CEDAR BREAKS BECAUSE IT'S MORE CONFINED AND SEVERAL BENEFITS TO IT. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO TO THE WHOLE CITY. BECAUSE AGAIN, ONCE WE HAVE TYPE ONE EFFLUENT, THEN WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? YEAH, WE CAN DISPERSE IT TO OTHER THINGS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO IT. WE HAVE TO BRING THE PIPING, WE HAVE TO BRING PUMPS. WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE MORE TESTING. THIS CEDAR BREAKS WILL ALLOW FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO TRAIN THE STAFF FOR PLANT OPERATIONS, MAKE SURE WE'RE THERE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND THE TESTING, AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAINTAIN THOSE FACILITIES. CURRENTLY, WE ONLY HAVE SIX STAFF MEMBERS IN PLANT OPERATIONS. THREE OF THEM ARE TRAINEES, SO THE OTHER THREE ARE TRAINING OTHER STAFF, AND THEY'RE REALLY WORKING TO GET ALL THAT TRAINED. SO IF WE WERE TO GET THIS DONE, HOPEFULLY BY THEN STAFF STAYS AROUND, STICKS AROUND AND WE TRAINING THEM AND WE COACH THEM AND THEY'RE AT THAT LEVEL OF OF TREATMENT. SO I'M BEING VERY OPTIMISTIC WITH THE YEAR. YEAH, HONESTLY REALLY. BUT I KNOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES AND STAFF SUPPORTS IT AND WE SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT. IT'S JUST STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO YOU KNOW THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND THINGS HAVE BEEN MOVING ALONG. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LONG TIME, BUT WITHOUT CLEAR DIRECTION, WHICH IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS YOUR PRIORITY NOW DO IT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO THEN WE'LL SHIFT PRIORITIES. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO ADJUST IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT, WHAT, HOW TO GO FORWARD OR IF IT SHOULD GO FORWARD OR NOT FORWARD OR WHAT THE DEAL. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF PRESENTING TONIGHT. HERE'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PILOT AT CEDAR BREAKS, AND THEN WE CAN LATER EXPAND TO SUNSET PARK, WHICH IS A PRIORITY, AS MANY OF US HAVE SAID. BUT WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT? I GUESS I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU NEED FROM US. CLEAR DIRECTION OF HOW A TIMELINE. WHAT WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT? WHAT ARE THEIR CITIZENS? WHAT? WHERE TO GO FROM HERE? MR. BROWNFIELD? I THOUGHT THERE WAS CLEAR DIRECTION. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE IRRIGATION WAS BEING QUOTED AND IT WAS COMING IN AT THE PRICE THAT WE DID, THE DIRECTION THAT I RECALL, OR AT LEAST THE RECOMMENDATION I BELIEVE, STAFF PROVIDING, WAS THAT THE GOAL WOULD BE IF WE WERE GOING TO CONVERT TO TYPE ONE, THAT ANYTHING THAT WE DID WOULD OCCUR PRIOR TO US HAVING POND TO GO LIVE. SO THAT POND TWO NEVER HAD THE SLUDGE AND NEVER HAD THE GUNK GOING IN IT. AND, AND THE CONVERSATION WAS, LET'S MAKE SURE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHEN IT GETS POWERED UP, IT NEVER HAS ANY OF THE PLASTICS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT INSIDE. SO THAT WAS ALWAYS MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT TYPE ONE CONVERSION WAS GOING TO AT LEAST MIRROR THE INSTALLATION OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. BY THE TIME THAT THAT WAS READY, NOT JUST THE IRRIGATION INSTALLATION, BUT ALSO THE POND TWO GOING ACTIVE. AND SO THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVED WAS OCCURRING. SO THAT IN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE WERE GOING TO BE TYPE ONE READY TO GO. WE TURNED THE IRRIGATION ON AND IT'S GOING TO BE TYPE TYPE ONE BEING DISTURBED. AND THE WAY WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT IS WE HAVE A $5 MILLION BOND THAT WAS TAKEN OUT. WE ONLY SPENT $3.6 MILLION ON THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, AND THAT DELTA WAS GOING TO HELP PAY FOR NEARLY 100% OF THE CONVERSION THAT WAS. AND IT SOUNDS REALLY SIMPLE, THE DIRECTION. BUT WHENEVER WE START INVESTIGATING MORE, THAT'S WHEN THE EFFLUENT FILTERS ARE GOING TO GO. WERE THEY GOING TO START INSTALLING? THEY WOULD START TO COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE LOST DIRECTION OF WHERE IT WAS GOING TO GO. AND THEN WE HAD IDEAS HERE, IDEAS HERE, AND NEVER REALLY SOMETHING CONCRETE UNTIL THIS COMMITTEE WAS FORMED. WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MORE AND THEN WE STARTED FORMING THE

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WELL, ALL STAY SILENT FROM THIS POINT ON. BUT I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY I REALLY SUPPORT SHANE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE CONVERSION OF TYPE ONE. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE IDEA OF THE BIKE TRAILS AT CEDAR BREAKS. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DAVID AFTER THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING SAYING, HEY, WITH SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE HIGHLAND GOLF COURSE, WHAT ARE THE IDEAS ABOUT DOING BIKE TRAILS OVER THERE? YOU KNOW, AND HIS IMMEDIATE COMMENT WAS, IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THIS OVER HERE. AND SO I LOVE, I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION. I, SO I FULLY SUPPORT TYPE ONE, WHATEVER IT TAKES, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN OUR BUDGET. AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE BIKE TRAILS. DO YOU QUESTION WHAT THE BUDGET. RIGHT. WELL, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO. BUT YOU KNOW, BUT TO THE POINT WE WE GOT THOSE ROUGH NUMBERS THAT THE COMMENT WAS, AND I HAVE IT IN EMAIL, IS THAT INSTALLATION IN LAGO VISTA WOULD BE LESS THAN TURNKEY, LESS THAN $1 MILLION. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THE COMMITMENT WAS THAT THEY THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 500,000 AND $1 MILLION TO HAVE IT FULLY DELIVERED AND INSTALLED. AND THAT INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM ARE WE ACCURATE? BUT ONCE YOU INSTALL THEM AND THEN WE GET TO THE CHALLENGING WHERE IT GOES INTO THE POND, IT MIGHT LOSE THAT TYPE OF THAT THAT TREATMENT LEVEL. THEN WE STILL, WHEN IT GOES ON TO THE DISTRIBUTION, WE NEED TO TEST IT ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S THE ACCURATE. THEY PROBABLY WILL INSTALL IT FOR $1 MILLION AND SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S YOUR EQUIPMENT. YOU DEAL WITH THE REST, WHICH IS NOW THE REST COMES TO PUBLIC WORKS STAFF.

AND YEAH, AND WE WANT A SUSTAINABLE. I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT THEN IS, LET'S FIRST STEP, GO FORWARD. THE WEEK OF JUNE 15TH, THE COMPANIES AGREED TO COME OUT HERE, AND I THINK THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, ARE WE STILL AGREEING THAT THIS COULD BE DONE FOR LESS THAN A MILLION NOW THAT YOU LAY EYES ON IT? AND HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OF IF IT GOES INTO OUR POND, OR IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE IT COME AFTER THE POND AND THEN HAVE THEM ANSWER QUESTIONS? WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO ABOUT THE TESTING? I THINK THAT'S A AN EASY SET UP OR HE OFFERED, HE SAID THE WEEK OF JUNE 15TH IS THE FIRST. THEY'RE AVAILABLE, BUT NOTHING SET UP.

BUT I'D GLADLY BE INVOLVED IN THAT. I'M SURE SOME OTHERS WOULD. AND AS FAR AS THE FUNDING GOES, I THINK MR. BROWNFIELD STATED, WE HAVE SOME DELTA LEFT IN THAT $5 MILLION BOND, BUT THE 750 GRAND THAT CONGRESSMAN MCCALL'S OFFICE GAVE, I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED IT WOULD GO ENTIRELY TOWARDS THIS. NOW WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. YOU STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THE FULL APPLICATION TO THE EPA, BUT THE FUNDS ARE ALREADY DEDICATED TO US, SO WE JUST HAVE TO CORRECTLY DO IT. YEAH, SUSAN HAS IT. SO SUSAN AND CHARLES HAVE THE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THERE. AND SHE'S ATTENDED ONE OF THE APPLICATION THING TRAININGS THAT THEY DID.

SHE. YEAH. AND. THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SHOVEL READY FOR THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A MUCH BETTER USE OF THOSE FUNDS THAN THE DELTA ON THE BOND. I WHAT HE JUST SAID WAS PERFECT. I FORGOT ABOUT I FORGOT WHAT YOU DID THERE. YEAH. SO THOSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT ALL GOES TOWARDS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING. BUT THAT SHOULD BE YOUR FEASIBILITY, YOUR STUDY, YOUR PLANS. AND THEN THE INITIAL HOPEFUL PAYMENTS WITH AQUA AEROBICS OR WHOEVER ACTUALLY GO OUT TO BID I ASSUME JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WE OKAY WITH CEDAR BREAKS EFFLUENT PILOT PROGRAM INVEST, YOU KNOW, GET MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION. I NEED TO SEE THAT APPLICATION. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

CHARLES HAS IT. I'D SAY GIVE HIM. AND AS FAR AS IT COMES, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. ART HAS OFFERED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT HIS SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP US THROUGH THAT. SO I WOULD SAY GET WITH ART BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY SEEN THIS FIRST

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU THINK WE SHOULD SOLVE THIS? AND THEN I THINK IT'S ALSO FAIR TO SAY TO THEM, WE KIND OF THE FIRST POINT OF USE THAT WE SEE VALUE IS OUT HERE AT OUR PARKS, WHICH IS JUST PAST ONE OF OUR PONDS. SO IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO DO THAT, HOW WOULD WE DO IT? SO, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR INPUT ON, ON, ON WHAT THE BIG PICTURE MIGHT BE. AND AS LONG AS THEY, THAT BIG PICTURE ALIGNS WITH A PILOT PROGRAM AT CEDAR BREAKS. AND I'M, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING THE PILOT. WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT US TO DO IS SAY, LET'S DO A PILOT PROGRAM AT CEDAR BREAKS AND THEN FIND OUT IN THE BIG PICTURE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE INSTALLED THOSE DEVICES AT CEDAR BREAKS IF WE HAD HAD THE BIG PLAN IN MIND TO START WITH, RIGHT? SO PROBABLY HAVING THE COMPANY OUT, HAVING A GOOD IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION WITH THE IPASS SUBCOMMITTEE. AND IF YOU KNOW, IF IF IPASS MEMBERS CAN BE IN ON THE JUNE 16TH, THAT THE MAYOR'S ALSO GOING TO JOIN THEM, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A POTENTIAL QUORUM NOTIFICATION IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND INVITE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. YES. WE HAVE A LARGE DISCUSSION TOPIC ON THAT. ON THAT. YEAH. MICROSOFT. MAYOR PRO TEM BATTERY DIED MAYBE. SO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES I BELIEVE IS IN CONVERSATIONS WAS ALSO HAVING THE ENGINEERING BEHIND THIS.

AND WE DO HAVE, I UNDERSTAND, SOME QUALIFIED ENGINEERING FIRMS, RIGHT, THAT WE CAN ACCESS FOR THIS. ALL RIGHT. AND SO PART OF THAT IS THAT ENGINEERING STATUS OF WHICH WAY DO WE GO HERE OR HERE AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT. SO TO YOUR POINT, EARNEST THOUGH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THE MONIES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE FOR ENGINEERING AND PLANNING MIGHT OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT EXPERTISE BEHIND YOU TO FURTHER VALIDATE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION THAT WE GO DOWN THIS WAY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF. YEAH, WE DO THE RFP THAT WE DID. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ENGINEERS ON CONTRACTORS THAT CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

OKAY. SO JUST FROM MY CLARIFICATION, JUNE 15TH OR SET UP THAT MEETING, FOLLOW UP WITH THEM, SET IT UP, START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION, MEET WITH THE ENGINEER. THE LAWYERS AND PUSH IT AND COME UP WITH SOME NUMBERS, SOLID NUMBERS OF WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN ON THE BIKE TRAILS ONE, I THINK ALL I WAS HOPING OUT OF THAT IS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LET PRATT PLAY AROUND WITH AT SOME POINT AS A CONCEPT, AS THEY'RE DOING THEIR MASTER PLANNING? OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOOD ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE I GOT DAVE SNYDER HERE, SO I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE HOT FUNDS APPLICATION. MR. DAVE OH MY BAD.

THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE CITIZEN COME UP. MR. STEWART ON THE TYPE ONE AFFLUENT ITEM. OKAY, I'M GOING TO READ A SENTENCE AND I WANT YOU TO LISTEN FOR D ONE OR TYPE ONE OR TYPE TWO. THIS IS THE CURRENT CITY DISCHARGE PERMIT. THE DRAFT PERMITS THIS. THE DRAFT PERMIT AUTHORIZES THE DISPOSAL OF TREATED DOMESTIC WASTEWATER EFFLUENT AT A DAILY FLOW OF ON THE GOLF COURSE AND 40 ACRES OF NONPUBLIC ACCESS OF LAND PLANTED CEDAR TREES. IT DOES NOT SAY TYPE ONE. IT DOES NOT SAY TYPE TWO. IT SAYS TREATED DOMESTIC WASTEWATER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS TYPE ONE IS MAGIC. IF IT'S A WATER CANNON, IT IS NONPUBLIC ACCESS.

IF IT IS A GROUND BASED IRRIGATION SYSTEM, IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE ALL THE WATER CANNONS AT THE CEDAR BREAKS AND CONVERT THEM TO GROUND GROUND IRRIGATION? YOU MIGHT AS WELL BREAK OUT THE CHECKBOOK BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUYING ANOTHER 70 ACRES FOR EVERY HUNDRED ACRES YOU CONVERT. SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION. THERE IS AN OPTION THAT YOU CAN PUT YOUR BIKE TRAILS IN. THAT 125 FOOT, 150 FOOT BUFFER

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THE DAYTIME IRRIGATION AT THE GOLF COURSE IS REQUESTING. ARE WE GOING TO KEEP BUSTING OUR PERMIT AND IRRIGATING, FINISHING UP OUR IRRIGATION AND NON IRRIGATION HOURS. SO THIS WAS TO GET US COMPLETELY IN COMPLIANCE. I HAVE A TYPE A WASTEWATER LICENSE THAT'S I WROTE I HELPED WRITE THIS PERMIT. I WROTE ALL THE CT STUDIES FOR THE WATER PLANTS SINCE 1996. I PRETTY WELL KNOW THESE PERMITS. I STARTED WORKING ON THIS TYPE ONE EFFLUENT BACK IN 2016 WITH GARY GRAHAM TO WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT FIRST PROPANE BOTTLE LOOKING THING AND EVERYTHING. EVEN WITH MY CONVERSATIONS WITH LOUIS HERRINGS LAST OCTOBER, IT'S ONE FILTER. IT'S CONVERTED AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFILTER IT WHEN YOU GET IT FURTHER OUT.

IF THE FILTERS AT THE PLANT. IT'S JUST AS SIMPLY A QUESTION OF CHANGING THE WATER OUT IN POND BY POND TO WHERE YOU FINALLY DECLARED THAT IT'S A TYPE ONE. YES, THERE IS TESTING, BUT THE TESTING IS PRIMARILY A CHLORINE TEST. BUT ALL OF OUR PUMP STATIONS HAVE CHLORINATION STATIONS AND CHLORINE MONITORS, AND WE DO GET OUR. POINT. I FORGET WHAT IT IS CALLED ONE PART PER MILLION FOR 20 MINUTES. WE DO GET THAT AND THEN IT GOES OUT. YOU DON'T WANT MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO AFFECT THE GRASS. SO I THINK IF WE GO AND DO PUT IT BACK WHERE WE ORIGINALLY AS THE PRIMARY TO SERVICE THE NEW IRRIGATION ON THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT THEY CAN IRRIGATE THE BEST. SO. PUTTING THE FILTER AT THE. THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS GOING TO CAPTURE ALL THE PLASTIC. NO PLASTIC WILL EVER LEAVE THE PLANT AGAIN. IT CAN'T GET IN POND 17. IT CAN'T GET IN POND TWO, PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY'RE BRAND NEW. WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. WE ARE SENDING OUT TYPE ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CHANGE CAME FROM. IT WAS NOT IN ANY CONVERSATION THAT I HAD LAST YEAR WITH TCDC, AND I HAD QUITE A FEW. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THIS CAME FROM, BUT IF I'M WRONG, WE STILL PROTECT THE GOLF COURSE AND IT'S REALLY EASY. I FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT WHEN THIS GUY COMES OUT, I'D ASK HIM TO PUT IN A TEMPORARY PROTOTYPE AND LET US RUN IT LIKE THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. SO. AND YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE WAITING 90 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING,

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THERE'S NO PATHOGENS, BUT LONG TERM TO GET THIS WHOLE CITY CONVERTED OVER TO TYPE ONE.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE SOME DOING. BUT AS FAR AS GOING AFTER THE PARK, FIRST YOU'VE GOT TO ADD THE 43 ACRES OF CEDAR TREE IRRIGATION SO THAT YOU CAN BRING PLANT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT UP TO 1 MILLION GALLONS. AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR LINE CLOSE ENOUGH TO DO A TAP OFF OF IT. PUT IN A COUPLE OF 5000 GALLON TANKS AND THEN IRRIGATE YOUR BALL FIELDS. GOING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. YOU COULD YOU CAN STICK THAT THING OUT THERE. BUT YOU, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING A LINE WITHIN 300FT OF THE PARK ANYWAY. SO WHY NOT STAGE IT, FIX THE ADD THE 43 ACRES, THEN WORRY ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IRRIGATE THE BALL FIELDS AND PROTECT YOUR PRIMARY INVESTMENT, WHICH IS A $3.5 MILLION IRRIGATION SYSTEM. AND WHAT ARE THE PONDS RUNNING? SOMEWHERE AROUND 6 OR 7 MILLION? YEAH, I WOULD PROTECT MY 10 MILLION THAT I JUST SPENT BEFORE I WOULD GO LOOKING FURTHER OUT.

AND IF, IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THERE HAS TO BE REFILTERED GOING FURTHER OUT, IT'S NEWS TO ME. I KNOW I'M NOT WRONG ABOUT PUTTING THAT PLANT AT THE FILTER IN COVERING THOSE TWO PONDS CLOSE TO THE FILTER. THEY'RE NOT MAKING THIS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO, AND THERE'S OVER 65 OF THESE IN TEXAS, AND THERE'S 35 WITHIN 200 MILES OF LAGO VISTA. THEY'RE EASY TO GO LOOK AT. THEY'RE EASY TO GO. ASK THEM WHAT WENT ON, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IF THESE NEW RESTRICTIONS ARE COMING DOWN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THEM IN ANY OF MY NOTIFICATIONS. ON INPUT FROM TCU. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT THERE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK I WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THEM, BUT ANYWAY. THANKS, COUNCILMAN BENEFIELD, BECAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THAT TYPE ONE BEING CRITICAL FOR US TO LEGALLY DO THE DAYLIGHT IRRIGATION AT THE GOLF COURSE. AND PLUS, I CAN PUT THAT THING IN THERE. I CAN SHOW THEM WHERE TO CUT THE PIPE, HOW TO PUT THE VALVES IN. WE CAN PUT IN A TENT, PUT IT ON A TEMPORARY SLAB WITH A TEMPORARY ROOF AND GET THE THING IN SERVICE. AND THEN IT'S A PORTABLE UNIT. SO IF YOU ALL DO REBUILD SOMETHING DOWN THERE, YOU JUST POUR A NEW SLAB, HOOK THE CRANE UP TO THE FOUR CORNER HOOKS AND MOVE IT OVER. AND IT'S SALVAGEABLE, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE DECISION WAS MADE TO GO WITH THE STAINLESS STEEL INSTEAD OF THE PAINTED, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DROVE THE COST UP. BUT SERVICEABILITY. I TAKE STAINLESS STEEL ANYTIME. YOU'LL GIVE IT TO ME. SO ANYWAY, ANY QUESTIONS THERE? GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. STEWART. MR. MINNIFIELD, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD ATTEND

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[IX. CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM TWO RATIFY ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-5-7-3. REZONING APPROXIMATELY 7.055 ACRES LOCATED AT 19708 BOGGY FORD ROAD. LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS A BS189 SURVEY 98 CAMPBELL MF AND ALSO KNOWN AS LOT 32 RANCHO RANCH, CIELO, FROM TR ONE TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 14, SECTION TEN OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA CODE OF ORDINANCES. CASE NUMBER 252905PDD-REZ. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DOES ANYONE WANT TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY, HEARING NONE, I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. SORRY, MAYOR. GET MYSELF POSITION HERE. ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FOR MR. PRINCE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE APPROVED

[X.3. Consider, discuss, and take action regarding application for the use of Hot Funds by Oak Ridge Archery.]

I JUST SAID THE NUMBER. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED, BUT IF YOU WANT ONE, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE.

IT'S UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WANT THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE ONE, IF YOU WANT QUESTIONS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE. I'VE SEEN THE APPLICATION, BUT MAYBE A TWO MINUTE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GIVE YOU A CONDENSED VERSION RIGHT NOW. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR TWO YEARS, AND WE ARE AT THAT BREAKING POINT WHERE WE CAN REALLY EXPLODE. WE ARE STARTING TO GAIN TRACTION FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT HAS JUST TRIPLED OR QUADRUPLED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS. AND THE LAST SIX WEEKS, WE'VE HAD 81 PEOPLE COME TO THE RANGE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, WHICH IS A GREAT NUMBER FOR US. THE LOCALS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THE RANGE VERY WELL. THEY'VE BEEN TREATING US VERY WELL, BUT TO MAKE THE RANGE GO BIGGER, WE NEEDED THE OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO GET HERE AND WE'RE STARTING TO GAIN THAT TRACTION. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME FUNDING TO HELP WITH OUR ADVERTISING AND TO DO RANGE ENHANCEMENTS, SO WE CAN TURN THE RANGE INTO ONE DAY EVENTS, INTO TWO DAY EVENTS, THREE DAY EVENTS, BRING IN NATIONAL EVENTS. I'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO ORGANIZATIONS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD ENTERTAIN GIVING US A NATIONAL TOURNAMENT. IF I COULD GET MY NUMBERS UP A LITTLE BIT, I'VE GOT ONE MAJOR MANUFACTURER OUT THERE THAT MANUFACTURES TARGETS THAT IS LOOKING TO SPONSOR AND WORK

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EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS VERY WELL PROTECTED, VERY WELL MAINTAINED, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE COMING TO OUR RANGE. WE NEED TO STEP IT UP A LITTLE BIT. I WANT TO GET MORE TARGETS, BIGGER TARGETS. I WANT TO SET UP DIFFERENT STATIONS ON THAT RANGE THAT ARE UNIQUE, THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE, AND GIVE ARCHERS ACROSS THE STATE AND THEIR FAMILIES A REASON TO WANT TO COME HERE AND STAY HERE. AND WE'RE GETTING THERE. THE ADVERTISING THAT WE STARTED DOING THAT, WE INVESTED SOME MONEY OURSELVES IN THAT HAS JUST EXPLODED. WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM OUT OF TOWN. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM SPICEWOOD, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM GEORGETOWN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM BURNET, CEDAR PARK, ALL FOUR CORNERS OF AUSTIN. OUR MAJOR EVENTS DRAW PEOPLE IN ALL THE WAY FROM FORT WORTH, HOUSTON. THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE STATE. I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE NOW THAT HAVE HEARD OF THE RANGE, OR WHEN THEY GET HERE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES OR OTHER STATES, THEY COME TO TOWN, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO. WE'RE THE FIRST PLACE THEY COME AND WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THEM.

SO THE APPLICATION THAT WE TURNED IN IS TWOFOLD. ONE IS FOR ADVERTISING. THAT'S FOR THIS YEAR. I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE YOU I WON'T COME BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND ASK FOR MORE ADVERTISING MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT THE STUFF FOR THE RANGE ENHANCEMENTS, THIS STUFF THAT WE'RE SPENDING NOW, THAT'S GOING TO LAST ME FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, IF IT GETS REALLY BIG AND WE START DOING THINGS WITH THE CITY AND OTHER ENTITIES, WE MAY NEED MORE STUFF FOR NEXT YEAR IF IT KEEPS GROWING. BUT I'M GOING TO PROVE THAT TO YOU FIRST. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I GOT I GOT ANSWERS. COUNCIL. MR. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR BUSINESS. IT'S IS IT A 501 THREE C? I HAVE THE BUSINESS IS FOR PROFIT. NO QUESTION. I WANT TO RETIRE. AND THIS IS HOW I WANT TO DO IT. BUT THE KIDS PROGRAM THAT WE RUN THAT IS A NONPROFIT. I WAS ASKED TO BE THE STATE DIRECTOR FOR THE THREE DAY PROGRAM, WHICH IS A NATIONAL PROGRAM. SO OUR KIDS TEAMS RUN THROUGH THE THREE DAY.

WE TAKE THEM TO TOURNAMENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOT OTHER STATES WANTING TO COME HERE, DO JOINT TOURNAMENTS WITH US, AND THE NATIONAL OFFICE HAS TOLD ME I COULD HAVE A NATIONAL TOURNAMENT HERE. LIKE I SAID, WHEN I GET MY NUMBERS UP, THAT IS A NONPROFIT. SO WHAT WE DO FOR THEM IS THE KIDS PROGRAMS, THE REST OF THE RANGES OF FOR PROFIT RANGE AND THE, THE, THE MONEY THAT WILL BE USED FROM OUR HOT FUNDS WILL BE USED TO PURCHASE TARGETS, ENHANCEMENTS, WEBSITES, AND OTHER TYPES OF UPGRADES TO THE FOR PROFIT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS. YES, SIR. OKAY. IS THAT AN ISSUE? I MEAN, THE, THE, THE, THE FOR PROFIT ASPECT OF IT IS NOT AN ISSUE. I MEAN, IF IT DRAWS TOURISM, THEN AND IT AND IT FALLS UNDER THE THE ONE OF THE PERMISSIBLE EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES, THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. WHEN I HAVE A I, I, I HAVE A LITTLE. I GUESS, QUESTION ABOUT. I HAD BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS A MORE IN THE, IN THE REALM OF A, AN EVENT AS OPPOSED TO MULTIPLE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT I, THAT WAS MY MISUNDERSTANDING PERHAPS, BUT THAT WAS THAT THAT THAT DOES CHANGE THE ANALYSIS A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO THE SO THE ANALYSIS WOULD CHANGE RESPECTFULLY IF, IF THE IF THERE WAS AN EVENT ON JULY 4TH AND THIS MONEY WAS TO BE USED TO DRAW IN SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TO A SINGULAR EVENT, AS OPPOSED TO INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS TO MAKE IT A

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YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT THAT'S AN EDC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROLE THAN TOURISM ROLE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPEND HOT FUNDS, IT IS IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT NEXUS TO THE INCREASE IN TOURISM. IT'S EASY TO DO WHEN IT'S AN EVENT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO SO TO BE CLEAR, IF THERE WAS AN EVENT ON JULY 4TH, TWO DAY EVENT, WE WANT TO BUY NEW TARGETS. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR WEBSITE PUT OUT THERE SO WE CAN ADVERTISE THIS EVENT. AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN 200 PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN. AND AND THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION. OKAY.

WHAT BRETT DIDN'T SEE WAS OUR COMPLETE SCHEDULE FOR THE YEAR WHERE WE HAVE 3 OR 4 MORE SIGNATURE TOURNAMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT CAN BE TURNED INTO TWO AND THREE DAY EVENTS. SO THE MONEY THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR NOW IS SO THAT WE CAN ADVERTISE THOSE IN ADVANCE.

BECAUSE IF I DON'T ADVERTISE SOON ENOUGH, I DON'T GET THE CROWD. SO WE'VE GIVEN A LIST OF ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE WANT TO CARRY OUT THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE YEAR, SO WE CAN BE EVENT SPECIFIC, NOT JUST FOR. SO IF I GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT I'M SPENDING THE MONEY ON, I'M BUYING NEW TARGETS FOR THE HALLOWEEN SHOOT THAT ARE DYNAMIC, FANTASTIC TARGETS. AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE COOLEST EVENTS IN ARCHERY THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO LAST YEAR. I WISH YOU. YEAH. SO AND THIS YEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR THE RAIN KIND OF KILLED US A LITTLE BIT. THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO TAKE HALLOWEEN AND SPREAD IT OUT OVER THREE WEEKS. SO I'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER PLACES FOR THREE WEEKS INSTEAD OF JUST ONE TIME. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO DO IT. SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS THE SCHEDULE. AND BRETT, I'D START, I HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE TURNED INTO MULTIPLE DAY EVENTS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING. AND THE BIG ONE WOULD BE THAT WILD CREEK ONE THAT'S ON THE SCHEDULE THAT I GAVE YOU IN NOVEMBER. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF THEY WERE, LET'S JUST SAY THERE WAS A $30,000 APPROVAL TODAY AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU HAVE TO USE THESE TOWARDS SPECIFIC EVENTS. AND HE WAS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS MONEY WENT TO THIS TWO DAY EVENT AND THIS MONEY WENT TO THIS ONE DAY EVENT. WOULD HE BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS APPROPRIATELY AS LONG AS HE COULD DEMONSTRATE THOSE WERE TOWARDS SPECIFIC EVENTS THAT DREW TOURISM? I MEAN, THEORETICALLY, YES. I AND I'LL TELL YOU IN GENERAL. THE IT'S MORE I'M I'M NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR EVENTS, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY IT FOR ONE DAY EVENTS, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT REQUIRE AN OVERNIGHT STAY. RIGHT. BUT IT'S MULTI-DAY EVENTS THAT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE OF A, YOU GOT TO STICK AROUND RIGHT WHEN IT'S A MULTI-DAY EVENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR A ONE DAY EVENT, RIGHT? BUT IF IT'S A MULTI-DAY EVENT, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT HEADS IN BEDS, YOU KNOW, THING BECAUSE PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING HUNDREDS OF MILES BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT, RIGHT? IF THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE OR ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY EVENTS, I MEAN, SO I THIS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ABSOLUTELY INELIGIBLE, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS EXPENDITURES IN SUPPORT OF THESE EVENTS THAT THAT THAT DEMONSTRATE HEADS IN BEDS. THESE ARE THESE ARE QUALIFIED SPORTING EVENTS. SO JUST BECAUSE AN EVENT OCCURS OVER THE COURSE OF THREE WEEKS, THAT MAY NOT QUALIFY BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD COME FOR ONE DAY AND LEAVE. BUT IF IT WAS A MULTI-DAY EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE HERE FOR A MINIMUM OF TWO DAYS, THEN THAT'S A MUCH.

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THEN. WOULD EACH EVENT NEED TO BE APPLIED FOR INDIVIDUALLY, OR COULD THERE BE A GENERAL APPROVAL THAT SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN USE THIS $30,000 AT YOUR DISCRETION, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A CLAWBACK IN THERE SAYING, IF YOU DON'T PROVE THAT THIS WAS GOING TOWARDS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE DAY EVENTS THAT PRODUCED HOT FUNDS, IT'S EASIER. IT'S EASIER AT THE FRONT END, RIGHT? CLAWING CLAWBACK IS NO, I UNDERSTAND. SO IT'S IT'S BETTER AT THE FRONT END TO SAY, IDENTIFY THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THAT ARE THAT ARE IDEALLY MULTI-DAY AND THAT WILL BRING IN TOURISM. AND THESE ARE THE EVENTS THAT YOU MAY SPEND THIS POT OF MONEY ON FOR SUPPLIES AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. AND THE ADVERTISING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, STAFFING NEEDS FOR THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGHER ATTENDANCE. AND SO YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE ELSE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU JUSTIFY IT THAT WAY. SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S A BETTER IDEA INSTEAD OF TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IT AS A CLAWBACK AFTER THE FACT TO IDENTIFY THE EVENTS. THESE ARE THE EVENTS IN WHICH YOU MAY SPEND IT ON. YOU NEED TO DOCUMENT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT SHOWING AND HAVE THE ALIGN ITEMS AND ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS EXPENDED ONLY ON THESE THINGS AND CABIN IT THAT WAY. AS PART OF THE AWARD. AND I GUESS WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MY MIND AROUND IS THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT THAT THE CITY GAINS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE GAIN HOT FUNDS, BUT HOW MANY HEADS AND BEDS WOULD WE HAVE TO GENERATE TO OFFSET A $30,000 INVESTMENT? WELL, THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A POLICY. THE NUMBER THAT YOU AWARD IS A POLICY IS A POLICY QUESTION. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO GENERATE A LOT, A LOT OF HOTEL REVENUE. I MEAN, FOR IT TO, TO, TO PAY FOR ITSELF.

YES. I MEAN, SOME OF IT IS SOME OF IT IS ALSO PART OF THE THEORY BEHIND IT IS ALSO INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTURE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR RETURN NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WANT TO GROW THIS AS TIME GOES ON. AND SO THAT THERE'S THAT ELEMENT OF IT, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T YOU CAN AWARD A $30,000 IF YOU THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD POLICY DECISION, AS LONG AS THOSE $30,000 ARE SPENT ON PROPERLY FUNDED, IF IT ONLY RETURNS $10,000 IN HOTEL TAXES TO YOU OR WHATEVER, THAT'S NOT IMPERMISSIBLE. AS LONG AS THE EXPENDITURE IS FOR THE PROPER PURPOSE OF. OBVIOUSLY, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU GROW THESE THINGS, AND WHAT STARTS OFF AS A TOURNAMENT THAT DRAWS 50 PEOPLE THIS YEAR IN TEN YEARS WILL DRAW 500. RIGHT? THAT AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S NOT IMPERMISSIBLE. BUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY, THAT'S A POLICY CALL.

YEAH. SO IN THE APPLICATION, I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF SPLITTING OUT WHERE THE ADVERTISING MONEY WAS GOING FOR THE DIFFERENT EVENTS. AND AS FAR AS THE SCHEDULE GOES, IF WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHICH CAN BE TWO DAY EVENTS, IT WOULD BE OUR NORTH AMERICAN GRAND SLAM, OUR HALLOWEEN EVENTS, AND THEN THE WILD CREATE 50. SO FOR IDENTIFYING THE ONES THAT CAN BE MULTI-DAY EVENTS, THAT WOULD BE IT THOSE THOSE THREE, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THOSE AS MULTI-DAY EVENTS WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE EVENT OVER THE COURSE OF MULTIPLE DAYS, OR IS IT JUST THE SAME EVENT GOING ON FOR MULTIPLE DAYS? BUT I COULD COME ONE DAY AND THEN LEAVE AND BE DONE. THE NORTH AMERICAN GRAND SLAM AND THE WILD CREEK 50. I WILL TURN THOSE INTO TWO DAY EVENTS. IF I'M GETTING THE HELP, THEN I CAN MAKE MY EVENTS BIGGER, BETTER PRIZES. I CAN DRAW MORE PEOPLE IN BETTER ADVERTISING. I'LL MAKE THOSE BOTH TWO DAY EVENTS FOR HALLOWEEN. I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT FOR HALLOWEEN, WHEN THEY COME OUT AND THEY'RE SHOOTING AT 12:00 AT NIGHT, THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THEM TO STAY HERE OVERNIGHT INSTEAD OF GETTING IN A CAR AND GOING. ESPECIALLY IF I FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR THE KIDS TO DO SOMETHING THE FOLLOWING DAY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OPENING UP THE RANGE TO HAVE PEOPLE BRING THEIR KIDS OUT. EVEN IF THEY DON'T SHOOT. LET THEM WALK THE WALK THE TRAIL, TAKE THE PICTURES WITH ALL THE DECORATIONS THAT WE PUT OUT, KIND OF LIKE DISNEYLAND. SO

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YOU THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO SOME KIND OF PROMOTION THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL ATTENDED YOUR EVENT FOR DURING THE HALLOWEEN, BUT THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE YOU PROOF THAT THEY'RE STAYING LOCALLY, THAT THEY GET A FREE HOT DOG OR A $5 OFF THE CAN. WE CAN I CAN TELL EVERYBODY THAT IF THEY CAN, IF THEY CAN SHOW ME THAT THE AIRBNB FOR THE DAY, I CAN GIVE THEM A 10% OFF THE FOLLOWING DAY, JUST GIVE THEM SOMETHING, SOME INCENTIVE TO COME OUT THERE. I'LL PUT THEM IN FOR A RAFFLE FOR A PRICE. I CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. SO WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY STAY.

THEY GET INVESTED IN A ROOM. SO AND WHY WHY WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT, THE VIDEOS THAT WE'RE MAKING AND THE COMMERCIALS THAT WE'RE MAKING, THEY'RE REALLY HITTING HOME TWO, SEVEN, ONE CREATIVE HOUSE THAT'S BEHIND ME. HE AND SOME OF YOU KNOW HIM. HE'S BEEN FORCING ME TO GET IN FRONT OF A CAMERA, WHICH I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD DO, BUT IT'S WORKING. BUT HE'S ALSO PUTTING STUFF OUT IN OUR ADVERTISEMENTS ABOUT THE CITY MY WIFE HAS GOT ON OUR WEBSITE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO OUR WEBSITE, STAY AND VISIT TYPE THING WHERE SHE'S LISTING OUT ALL OF THE CITY'S AMENITIES. AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT YOU GUYS, GIVE ME A MASTER LIST.

WHAT DO YOU WANT ADVERTISED? SO WHEN PEOPLE GET HERE, THEY GO TO MY SITE. THEY'RE SEEING ALL OF IT. I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH ERIC AND PUT TOGETHER AN ARCHERY TOURNAMENT AND A FISHING TOURNAMENT. I'D LOVE TO SIT AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS ALL OVER THE AREA. WE GOT LOTS OF IDEAS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND NOW'S THE POINT WHERE WE CAN REALLY BUST THIS THING OPEN. MAYOR PRO TEM, I JUST THANK YOU NOW THAT YOU TOOK ALL OF MY STUFF AWAY. NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE ALREADY RECORDING.

YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. CAN YOU ADD TO YOUR REGISTRATION? JUST A THING.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO STAY OVERNIGHT? I GOT A QUESTIONNAIRE. SURE. YEAH. IF YOU ADD THAT AS A I MEAN, IT'S JUST A QUICK YES OR NO. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHERE THAT CAME FROM WAS ROB AND I TRAVELING TO GO SEE A SHOW SOMEWHERE AND THEY JUST ASKED THAT. AND SO IT'S JUST PART OF IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR SEVEN, EIGHT, SIX OR WHATEVER YOUR ZIP CODE IS. ARE YOU STAYING THE NIGHT? YES. NO. RIGHT. WHAT WE'LL DO IS BECAUSE THAT'LL BE FOR THIS SHOOTS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO STAY. WE'LL PUT THAT IN OUR PRE-REGISTRATION FORM. THERE YOU GO. SO THEY'RE LISTING OUT ALL THEIR OTHER STUFF IN THEIR CONTACT INFO. WE'LL ASK THEM ARE YOU PLANNING ON STAYING FOR THE FOLLOWING DAY? ALL RIGHT. AND THE OTHER WAS THAT WHICH YOU DREW OUT OF HIM ALREADY. THAT'S BURST MY BUBBLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS MARRYING THAT UP WITH OTHER EVENTS. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT THERE'S A ONE DAY EVENT, THEY ARE PURPOSEFULLY MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS SIMULTANEOUSLY GOING ON THE NEXT DAY, THAT THEY ARE INCORPORATING THAT INTO THEIR PROMOTION. SO I KNOW THAT ABOUT THIS. I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU FROM AN ECONOMIC POINT OF VIEW IN TERMS OF THE UNIQUENESS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ONLY OTHER ARCHERY. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? AMENITY DOWN IN SOUTH AUSTIN, I BELIEVE IS STILL CLOSED. RIGHT. WELL, THEY'RE OPEN, BUT NO ONE WITH NO ONE THAT'S WITHIN AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF DRIVE OF HERE IS GOING TO DRIVE THE EXTRA TO GO THERE. OUR FACILITIES NICER AND MAINTAIN BETTER. THEY'VE GOT A NICE FACILITY, BUT IT'S NOT MANNED. THAT'S A THAT'S A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION. WE'RE MEANT WE HAVE RESTROOM FACILITIES ON SITE. WE HAVE FULL TIME STAFF THERE WHEN WE'RE THERE. SO AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT I JUST YESTERDAY I HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD COME FOR A SAFARI SHOOT. HE HAD HIS WIFE BRING THEIR EIGHT YEAR OLD SON DOWN TO JOIN OUR TEAM AND TO JOIN OUR YOUTH LEAGUE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN EVERY WEEK FROM GEORGETOWN JUST TO SHOOT ON WEDNESDAYS. SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT A HEADS IN BEDS STORY, BUT THE POINT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOW STARTING TO MAKE THE DRIVE TO GET HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THEY'RE COMING FOR GAS. THEY'RE COMING FOR FOOD. WE'RE WE'RE HOPING THAT EVERY OTHER BUSINESS IN THIS TOWN COMES WITH US BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT COMES HERE STOPPING FOR SOMETHING, THEN IF I CAN GET THEM TO STAY THE NIGHT, WE'VE GOT EVEN MORE THE RENTAL PLACES TO RENT THE KAYAKS. WE CAN DO FISHING TOURNAMENTS. THERE'S IF YOU GET THE BIKE TRAILS BUILT, WE CAN TURN THIS INTO AN ARCHERY SHOOT ONE DAY AND A BIKE RACE THE FOLLOWING DAY AND PAIR UP AND MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU DAVE. A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO THAT'S I JUST REALLY WANTED Y'ALL TO GET THE FULL FLAVOR OF THIS. AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I'M REALLY EXCITED IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS CAN BECOME IN TERMS OF OUR GATEWAY TO GATEWAY, OUR OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE, REALLY THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY CREATE AS A DESTINATION HERE IN LAGO VISTA. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SNYDER BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST SORRY, COUNCILOR SABRINA. HI, DAVE. I THINK YOU'VE STEPPED AWAY FROM THE FROM THERE AND I AM REMOTE,

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EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SHOW UP IN KILTS. WHY NOT? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU'VE GOT TO BE AS TIRED AS I AM. WE WERE HERE LAST NIGHT TILL 1030. YEAH. WELL THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE MR. PAUL ROBERTS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION, FOR THE GRANT, FOR THE HOT FUNDS. AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN AN INVALUABLE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SOME TIME NOW, PARTNERING WITH THE LAGO VISTA INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE USE OF THEIR LAND, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC TRAILS ON THE ARCHERY RANGE. AND I LIVE ACTUALLY JUST, I DON'T KNOW, A QUARTER MILE STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. AND WHENEVER I'M WHENEVER THEY HAVE THESE EVENTS GOING ON THAT BRING IN OUT OF TOWN RESIDENTS, IT'S VERY EVIDENT BECAUSE ALL OF OLD AUSTIN BOULEVARD AND ON TO SHORELINE RANCH IS PACKED WITH CARS. AND THAT'S LIKE A GOOD 100 PLUS YARDS AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT THE ADDED THE ADDED SALES TAX REVENUE, AS WELL AS THE, THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TAXED ON ADDED ON TO THE VRBOS, ETC. ANYWAY, I HOPE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT AND GLAD TO HAVE SUCH FINE FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. COUNSELOR. VANESSA. YEAH, I MEAN, I LOVE THE IDEA AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LEVERAGING THE FACT THAT WE'RE ADJACENT TO BALCONIES. WE WANT TO BUILD OUT ADDITIONAL TRAIL SYSTEMS AND STUFF. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET THAT ECO TOURISM OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, ADVENTURE SPORT, HIKING, BIKING, YOU NAME IT AND GET OURSELVES ON THE MAP. SO TO ME, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE US A DESTINATION FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I'M ALL FOR IT. AND I THINK YOUR MARKETING BUDGET LOOKS VERY REASONABLE. SO. MR. PRINCE, YEAH, JUST THIS IS GREAT. WE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUR PROCESS AROUND HOT FUNDS AND PAPERWORK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND, AND YOU'RE KIND OF LEADING THE WAY, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT? IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM, PILOT APPLICATION. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.

AND SO UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ANY CONCERNS, I'M ALL FOR IT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS.

MR. MAYOR, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYOR. NO, NO, NO. MAYOR SAM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR HOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING HOT FUNDS APPROPRIATELY AND WE'VE JUST BEEN GIVING THEM AWAY AND NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR THEM. AND YOU REALLY ARE THE VERY FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND HONESTLY, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT TRUST 99% OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN HERE. BUT I LOVE THE FACT THAT IT'S YOU DOING THE PILOT APPLICATION, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AN AMAZING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU'VE GOT A GREAT BUSINESS AND I'VE PERSONALLY DONE YOUR, YOUR RANGE OVER THAT HALLOWEEN BREAK.

AND IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT, IT'S UNBELIEVABLY COOL. YOU IT'S PITCH DARK OUTSIDE. LIKE IF YOU'VE EVER SHOT A BOW AT PITCH DARK, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD. AND YOU GET YOUR. THE END OF YOUR ARROW ILLUMINATES WHEN YOU SHOOT IT. AND SO HE'S GOT A BIG FRANKENSTEIN OUT THERE, OR ALL KINDS OF GLOW IN THE DARK FLASHING LIGHTS. AND THEN YOU SHOOT THESE TARGETS AT 1130 AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S CRAZY. IT'S AND IT'S A LOT OF FUN. AND I MEAN, THINK ABOUT LIKE TRICK OR TREATING WITH A BOW OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WILDERNESS SHOOTING STUFF. AND IN MANY

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DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE SPENT OUT OF OUR HOT FUND BUDGET, WE MAY HAVE TO AMEND THAT BUDGET.

BUT THE ■FUNDS ARE THERE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ANY PROBLEM TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT BUDGET BECAUSE THIS IS STRICTLY OUT OF HOT FUNDS. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR THAT WE CAN DO THIS.

OKAY. THEN I, THEN I LEAVE IT AT I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE USE OF FUNDS BY OAK RIDGE ARCHERY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND FROM MR. HALL. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD? I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED. BRAD, SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY? SO, I MEAN, I THINK. HERE, HERE, HERE ARE THE ISSUES. I MEAN, YOU CERTAINLY CAN EXPEND ON ON ADVERTISING AND UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES YOU CAN EXPEND FOR. ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, YOU KNOW, SUPPLIES AND SO FORTH. THIS IS A THIS IS AN UNUSUAL HYBRID TYPE EVENT. I MEAN, IT IS SPORTING, BUT THERE'S ALSO BECAUSE IT'S AROUND HOLIDAYS AND SOME HOLIDAY THEMES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THE SPORTING EVENT. SO SO HERE'S THE CONCERN. THE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT ON THE APPLICATION THEY LINE THROUGH CONVENTION CENTER FACILITIES. AND THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF THE MONEY GOES. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T THE AN APPLICANT CAN'T AMEND THE THE CATEGORIES. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, THE, THE CATEGORIES FOR WHICH MONEY, YOU KNOW, FUNDS CAN BE EXPENDED, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T. I MEAN, THAT CONVENTION CENTER FUND HAS TO BE CONVENTION CENTER FUNDS. AND SO WHILE YOU CAN CERTAINLY I THINK I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION THAT YOU CAN AWARD FOR THE ADVERTISING. THAT'S THE $7,000. BUT THE BULK OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS UNDER A PROVISION THAT WAS CHANGED TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED IN THAT WAY.

SO NOW THE SECTION THAT RELATES TO SPORTING EVENTS, THIS IS IN TRAVIS COUNTY. AND SO THAT SPORTING EVENT SECTION IS NOT UNIVERSAL. IT'S LIMITED BY THE LEGISLATURE TO SMALLER POPULATION COUNTIES. SO THE RIGHT. AND SO THE QUESTION THE QUESTION IS, IS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN PROMOTION OF THE ARTS. AND I THINK AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE RIGHT THAT IT IS WITHIN THE PROMOTION. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING HYBRID SORT OF THING. IT'S NOT THERE, THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF IT THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SUPPORT THAT, THAT ARGUMENT. BUT, BUT THE APPLICATION, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK PUTTING THE BULK OF THE MONEY TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THAT CONVENTION CENTER THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO CUT IT. AND I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE IN A DIFFERENT COUNTY, THE SPORTING EVENT THING WOULD BE A THAT'S A THAT'S KNOCKED DOWN. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. BUT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE IN TRAVIS COUNTY. AND SECTION SIX DOES NOT APPLY UNIVERSALLY ACROSS ALL COUNTIES. OKAY. OKAY.

SO I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS A, I AGREE, I THINK THIS IS A WORTHY, INTERESTING EVENT. AND I THINK IT'S LIKELY TO PUT HEADS IN BEDS, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE THESE MULTI-DAY EVENTS, THE, THE. YOU NEED TO. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS IDENTIFYING THAT BULK OF THAT MONEY UNDER THAT SECTION. I

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RIGHT. AND IT WILL BE DONE TODAY WITH A CONTINGENCY THAT A NEW APPLICATION IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY MANAGER. WELL, WITH A CONTINGENCY THAT A NEW APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, WE CAN'T YOU CAN'T MANDATE THAT IT BE ACCEPTED UNTIL WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SEE IT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK MEANING IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT, WITHOUT IT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL? MEANING CAN CAN WE SAY, HEY, CONTINGENT ON AN APPLICATION THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED, WHICH IS VALID? THEN THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE THE, THE RIGHT TO AUTHORIZE THIS, OR WOULD IT HAVE TO AT LEAST COME BACK TO THE CONSENT? I THINK I THINK IT WOULD I THINK IT'D PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST I THINK THAT'S THE SAFER. I THINK THAT'S THE SAFER COURSE, RIGHT.

I DON'T I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR WANTING TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT AND I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. BUT JUST YOUR ADVICE, HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND. OBVIOUSLY THE 7000 IS APPROPRIATE. HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE 25, 620 BE WRITTEN IN THERE UNDER PROMOTION OF THE ARTS? NO, NO, I GOT IT. I WOULD, I WOULD. I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT AND GET A BIGGER, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT. I THINK YOU COULD APPROVE THE 7000 A NIGHT. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO, THERE MAY BE A WAY TO PROVIDE THE REST OF THE MONEY EITHER UNDER THAT OR SOMETHING ELSE. I THAT'S THE HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LET ME LET'S FINISH COUNCIL DISCUSSION. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK AT THAT TIME IF YOU CAN. WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST HAVE I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A I DON'T WANT YOU TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN WE FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BULK OF THAT IS, IS AN APPROPRIATE EXPENDITURE. I GET IT, I GET I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S THE CONCERN. OKAY. MISS CHAVARRIA YES, BRAD, I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT DID QUALIFY UNDER CATEGORY SEVEN UPGRADING SPORTS FACILITIES. CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES ARE LEGALLY PERMITTED TO USE HOT REVENUE TO ENHANCE OR UPGRADE EXISTING SPORTS FACILITIES OR FIELDS. IF THOSE FACILITIES REGULARLY HOST TOURNAMENT LEVEL EVENTS THAT PULL IN TOURISTS. SO WOULD THAT WOULD THAT QUALIFY UNDER CATEGORY SEVEN? WELL, WHO OWNS THE FACILITY? THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? WELL, WE LEASED THE LAND FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE BUSINESS. HE OWNS THE FACILITY. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THE LAND, BUT THE TARGETS WOULD BE OWNED BY THE BUSINESS, CORRECT? YEAH. I MEAN, SO SO YEAH, I I'VE GOT TO GO DOUBLE CHECK THIS, BUT I THINK THAT THE FACILITY HAS TO BE MUNICIPALLY OWNED. BUT I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO I THINK MY I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS THAT IS, IS YOU CAN EASILY APPROVE THE 7000, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN APPROVE MORE THAN THAT. THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFICULTY IN APPROVING DAY TO DAY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, THOSE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES FOR WHATEVER EXPENDITURE IT IS. THOSE MUST BE DIRECTLY TIED TO PROMOTION AND ENHANCEMENT OF TOURISM. OTHERWISE, IT'S IT'S IF YOU'RE JUST HELPING THE BUSINESS, THEN THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS THE CONCERN. AND YOU HAVE TO TIE IT IN. AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD IN THIS ADDITIONAL

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GET OVER THAT PARTICULAR HURDLE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE NUMBER SIX, I THINK IS, IS NOT APPLICABLE TO TRAVIS COUNTY. AND I'M VERIFYING THAT, BUT I'M 99% SURE NUMBER SIX IS NOT MAYOR PRO TEM. COUNCILOR, YOU WERE FINISHED. I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT HE UNDERSTOOD THAT I WASN'T REFERRING TO CATEGORY SIX. I WAS REFERRING TO CATEGORY SEVEN. SO IF I'M LOOKING THAT UP AS WELL. OKAY, OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF MR. SNYDER, HE HE HAD COME UP BEFORE IF HE HAD SOMETHING ELSE HE WANTED TO SAY. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT I SAW THE SAME THING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS LOOKING AT. AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A SECTION WHERE THEY HAVE EXCEPTIONS IN COUNTIES THE SIZE OF TRAVIS. IF YOUR POPULATION FALLS IN A CERTAIN WINDOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. IT GETS THOSE. THOSE SECTIONS ARE VERY. THE CABINING ON THOSE SECTIONS IS VERY DIFFICULT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND, PLEASE. I'M SORRY FOR THE DELAY HERE. MAYOR. DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE A COMMENT TO THE MOTION? THE ONLY THING I MIGHT REQUEST, IF NECESSARY, MAYBE LIKE TO GET BRAD'S OPINION IS THAT THE MOTION JUST STIPULATE THAT THE FUNDS ARE USED SPECIFICALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IMPLIED, JUST THAT THEY'RE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR MULTI-DAY EVENTS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BRING HEADS AND BEDS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT IT FELT APPROPRIATE, AT LEAST TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE INDIVIDUALS RECEIVING THE MONEY THAT MY QUESTION ON THAT, TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPLICANT, THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL IS THE FIRST PART. BUT WHEN YOU TURN THE RECEIPTS IN, IT ALL GETS REVIEWED AGAIN. AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, IT COULD IT COULD BE CLAWED BACK. YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT. I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT SO THAT BUT I'M NOT ADVOCATING. THAT'S THE PROCESS.

I'M JUST LETTING ON WHAT THE APPLICANT DID. NOT THAT HE KNOWS THIS IS SORT OF A TWO TIME APPROVAL PROCESS. SO THERE WILL BE A SECOND TIME WHERE THIS WILL ALL BE REVIEWED AGAIN.

OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL WE'LL WAIT ON BRAD FOR A MOMENT. SO Y'ALL NEED A RECESS SINCE IT IS ALMOST NOON. YEAH. I MEAN, SO IT DOESN'T. HERE'S THE HERE'S THE ONE THAT I DON'T KNOW.

RIGHT? I MEAN, SO YOU I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT TO YOU. YOU CAN YOU, YOU CAN USE ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE SPORTING EVENT. IF THE THE MUNICIPALITY IS IN A POPULATION OF 1 MILLION OR LESS.

SO THAT ONE'S OUT OR THE MUNICIPALITY HAS A POPULATION THAT WAY. I'M SORRY OF MORE THAN I THOUGHT. IT SAID LESS OF MORE THAN 67000. AND IT'S LOCATED IN TWO COUNTIES WITH 90% OF THE MUNICIPALITY'S TERRITORY. LOCATED IN A COUNTY WITH A POPULATION OF AT LEAST 800 000, AND THE REMAINING TERRITORY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY WITH A POPULATION OF AT LEAST 4 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS, BUT THEY HAD SOMEBODY. THEY HAD SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC IN MIND. SO BUT BUT ANYWAY, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS MORE THAN 67,000. AND THE OTHERS ARE IF YOU BORDER LAKE RAY HUBBARD AND YOU'RE LOCATED IN TWO, YOU KNOW, SO IT IT'S SO I DON'T THINK SO.

NOW LET ME LOOK AT SEVEN REAL QUICK. YEAH. I GOT TO HELP RIGHT. ONE OF THESE ONE TIME FOR CORPUS CHRISTI. AND IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING ODD. LIKE YOU HAD TO BE LOCATED WITHIN SO MANY MILES OF THE OCEAN AND HAVE A BRANCH OF THE TEXAS A&M CAMPUS NEAR YOU. SO THERE'S.

YEAH. WELL TO THAT. SO NUMBER SEVEN, ONE OF THEM IS, IS LOCATED IN A COUNTY THAT HAS A POPULATION OF MORE THAN, OF NOT MORE THAN 300, 000 AND IN WHICH A COMPONENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON SYSTEM IS LOCATED. SO I, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I, YOU KNOW. THOSE ARE IN ANY EVENT, I MEAN, THOSE AREN'T OWNED. SO, SO WHAT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THEN IS TO, I MEAN, IF YOU APPROVE THE 7000 AND IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO APPROVE MORE OR, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, PUT MORE TOWARDS ADVERTISING, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT. BUT IT'S THE, IT'S, IT'S USING IT FOR THE, THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES IS ALWAYS THE PROBLEM IN ANY EVENT. AND FINDING THE RIGHT CATEGORY IS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH AT THE MOMENT. SO OKAY. THEN I GUESS WE ARE OPEN TO IT. I'M AMENDED. MOTION. YES. AN AMENDED MOTION. SO I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE USE OF

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MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION AT THIS POINT SO THAT WE CAN REDO THE MOTION. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. HALL. DO YOU APPROVE OF HER WITHDRAWING THE MOTION? YES, I APPROVE, OKAY.

BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, I HAVE, AND MAYBE MR. SNYDER WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUAL TO ANSWER. THIS IS IN THE EVENT THAT THE $25,620 CANNOT BE APPROVED, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM TO GET THAT TO YOU. IS THE $7,000 STILL BENEFICIAL? BECAUSE THEN THAT 7000 WOULD HAVE TO BE USED FOR ADVERTISEMENT TOWARDS THESE EVENTS, AND YOU WOULD NOT BE RECEIVING THE FUNDS TO PURCHASE THE TARGETS. THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ADVERTISING BUDGET WAS TO DRIVE THOSE TOURNAMENTS AND MAKE THEM BIGGER AND BRING MORE PEOPLE TO TOWN. BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THE TOURNAMENTS IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE 25? A COUPLE OF THEM, THE WILD CREEK 50? NO. THERE'S A LIST OF TARGETS THAT I NEED TO PURCHASE BECAUSE I HAVE A GOOD STABLE OF TARGETS. I NEED MORE TO HOLD A TWO DAY EVENT BECAUSE THE ARCHERS WILL SHOOT 30 TARGETS ONE DAY, COME BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY FOR 20, AND THEN THERE'S TROPHIES AND AWARDS AND PRIZES. SO WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM THE 25, SEVEN, 60, WHATEVER IT IS, I CAN'T PUT THOSE TOURNAMENTS ON AND MAKE THEM BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE FOR THEM. I CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M DOING. THEY'RE GROWING SLOWLY, BUT ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER IS IS IT'S HELPFUL, BUT I CAN'T PROMISE YOU THAT. I MEAN, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL AN APPLICATION THAT CAN GET APPROVED IS PUT BEFORE US SO THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU THE WHOLE AMOUNT, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, YOU'RE GETTING $7,000 THAT YOU CAN'T USE. AND, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDERATION OF IF I CAN TURN THIS RIGHT AROUND AND GET IT TO MR. WEST ON MONDAY SO IT WOULD GET RIGHT BACK IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO GET THIS EQUIPMENT. AND LIKE I SAID, I NEED TO START ADVERTISING VERY SOON FOR SEPTEMBER EVENTS SO PEOPLE CAN BLOCK OUT THOSE DAYS. SO I CAN GET WITH MR. WEST ON MONDAY, AMEND OUR APPLICATION TO WHATEVER CATEGORY WE THINK. AND I STILL THINK THERE'S ONE IN THE SPORTS THAT WE FIT FOR, WHERE WE'RE IN A WINDOW OF POPULATION BETWEEN X AND Y. I STILL I THINK THERE'S ONE IN THERE. I THINK I SAW IT THAT WE SLIDE INTO, BUT IF I'M WRONG, I'LL GET WITH MR. WEST AND FIND THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. BUT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN ON MONDAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SO THE ADVERTISING WON'T CHANGE. I JUST NEED TO CHANGE. THE HEADING THAT WE'RE FILING UNDER. EVERYTHING ELSE IS STAY THE SAME. IT'S THE ONE PAGE WHERE I AND I OUTLINE THAT, OR

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BUT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE REGISTER AND THEY ARE ATTENDING THESE, THESE THINGS, AND THERE'S THE ARCHERY TOURNAMENT AS PART OF IT, AND THIS IS SOME KIND OF A, I DON'T KNOW, NATIONALLY, WHATEVER ASSOCIATIONS ARE INVOLVED IN THAT, IF WE CAN FIT IT UNDER THAT RUBRIC, THEN THAT'S THAT'S VIABLE. YEAH. MAYBE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO SOME OF YOUR CONTACTS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL WHO DO MANUFACTURING, AND THEY CAN HAVE SOME PRODUCTS ON DISPLAY. SO, SO THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS CONVENTION CAN NOT ONLY PARTAKE OF THE FOOD, PARTAKE OF THE ACTIVITIES, DO SOME LIVE SHOOTING TO THESE ACTUAL PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE PURCHASED ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL. THEY CAN SEE THE PRODUCTS AND PURCHASE IN PERSON AT THE CONVENTION CAN BE VERY LOOSE. I MEAN, WE COULD ALL WALK UP AND DOWN THESE ROADS, OR WE CAN TEST THE PRODUCTS AND LOOK AT THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT MULTIPLE VENDORS THAT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO NOW TO START PUTTING OUT TABLES AND BOOTHS SO THAT THEY CAN PROMOTE THEIR ITEMS AT THESE TOURNAMENTS. THAT GOES ON IN A LOT OF THE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS. WE'RE NOT BREAKING NEW GROUND. THAT'S THAT'S DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THAT THAT'S NOT A HARD ADJUSTMENT.

SO I WOULD JUST MODIFY IT TO A, TO A, TO A WAY THAT CAN HELP APPEASE THE LEGAL APPLICATIONS.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE. SO THEN DO I NEED TO REDO THE APPLICATION? I WOULD CONVENTION, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DRAG OUT THIS PROCESS, BUT THE REASON I WOULD RECOMMEND IT IS BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE HAVE IT DEFINED AS A CONVENTION, VERIFY THE ATTENDANCE OF THESE. YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLIERS OF ARROWS AND WHATEVER. RIGHT. ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT'S GOING TO BE SOLD THERE, IDENTIFY THAT, INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, NEWLY SUBMITTED APPLICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT TO HAVE THESE VENDORS THERE AND TO HAVE THIS MATERIAL THERE. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A FOR GET AN ASSOCIATE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REGIONAL OR NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ARCHERY THAT EXISTS AND HAVE THEM AS A SPONSOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK THEN IT FITS WITHIN THE RUBRIC, BUT WE JUST NEED TO SEE THE APPLICATION INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK. AND IF THAT'S ALL PROPER, WE CAN SIGN OFF ON IT. THEN THAT COULD BE ON CONSENT NEXT TIME. NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 18TH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GET IT DONE MONDAY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. SORRY FOR THE CLUNKINESS THERE. BRAD, YOU ALMOST HAD US TO THE SPACE OF APPROVING THIS CONTINGENT. CAN WE NOT GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT CONTINGENT ON STAFFS AND THEN ASSIGNED TO STAFF THE ABILITY TO. SO IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US ON THE 18TH. YEAH. THAT'S I THINK THAT, MR. PRINCE. THAT'S A FINE IDEA. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK I THINK AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED AND CAN PROVIDE THAT TO US, AND I CAN SEND Y'ALL A, YOU KNOW, AN EMAIL SAYING, YEAH, WE GOT IT. IT LOOKS GOOD. AND CHECK OFF ON IT AND AUTHORIZE CITY STAFF TO, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED WHAT WE APPROVED TONIGHT, WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED AND CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED. AND, AND IF AND IF YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, THEN I'LL TELL YOU, HEY, GUYS, YOU GOT TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE NEXT AGENDA. YEAH. MR. ZAINO, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO. JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT STILL NEEDS A STATUTORY CATEGORY. LIKE BRAD. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TIE THE HOT FUNDS TO A 380 AGREEMENT AS LONG AS IT DIRECTLY ENHANCES EXPENDITURE. STEER SHOWS DIRECTION. YEAH.

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SO AGAIN, SO THE 380 AGREEMENTS ARE, ARE. THE PURPOSE OF THOSE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THOSE AREN'T HOT FUNDS. 380 AGREEMENTS AREN'T REALLY HOT FUNDS. BUT, BUT YOU CAN BUT A 380 AGREEMENT CAN BE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE EXPENDITURE OF MUNICIPAL FUNDS IN SUPPORT OF ENHANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL GOT TO TIE IT TO HOT FUNDS. BUT BUT THE 380 ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPEND MONEY UNDER 380. BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE A BOOTSTRAPS TIED TO THE HOT FUNDS EXPENDITURE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S I, I'LL TALK TO ERIC MORE ABOUT THAT OFF OFFLINE, BUT I THINK THAT'S.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN I THINK WE CAN GET THERE UNDER HOT FUNDS. BUT LIKE I SAID, I WOULD WANT TO SEE THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS PART OF A RESUBMITTED APPLICATION LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, SO WE CAN FIT IT UNDER THAT CONVENTION RUBRIC, HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN THERE. AND THAT WAY YOU GUYS ARE PAPERED UP AND IT'S GOOD. AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT AND ATTACH A 380 TO IT. THEN I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND I CAN CHECK OFF ON IT. AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST RECOMMEND THAT IT BE PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE THE DECISION OR REVIEW THE DECISION AT THE TIME IF NECESSARY. OKAY. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. I'M TRYING. ERIC, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU WROTE DOWN ON THE PREVIOUS STUFF. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HOPE I GOT THIS RIGHT. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE USE OF FUNDS BY OAK RIDGE ARCHERY IN. NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT CURRENTLY PROPOSED CONTINGENT WITH STAFF AND MR. BULLOCK RECEIVING A RESUBMITTED APPLICATION THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, AS STATED TONIGHT BY MR. BULLOCK. THAT'S. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THAT. I HAVE A SECOND FOR MR. HALL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. IT IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MOVE BACK TO EIGHT PUBLIC

[VIII.1. Open a public hearing on Ordinance No. 26-06-04-01 of the city of Lago Vista, Texas, amending chapter 14, also known as the “zoning ordinance,” of the code of ordinances, specifically section 20, tree preservation and landscaping requirements, subsection (e)(7), by removing the word “pocket”; providing for purpose and intent; providing the amendment; providing for a finding of fact; providing for severability; providing for a repealer; providing an effective date; providing for projects in transition; providing for codification and publication; and providing an open meetings clause.]

SECTION 20. TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS SUBSECTION E SEVEN. BY REMOVING THE WORD POCKET, PROVIDING FOR PURPOSE AND INTENT. PROVIDING THE AMENDMENT, PROVIDING FOR REFINING FACT. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROVIDING FOR REPEALER. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PROVIDING FOR PROJECTS, AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND PUBLICATION.

PROVIDING AN OPEN MEETINGS CLAUSE. I BELIEVE I HAVE. JORDAN. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE ORDINANCE TO STRIKE THE WORD POCKET FROM THE TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE. BOTH CRACK AND P AND Z HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR OR AGAINST AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ONE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH ACROSS MULTIPLE YEARS. SO. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, I WILL NOW GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. JUST DO IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THAT AS YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:59 P.M. AND I BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DELIBERATION. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING ANYTHING. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-06-0401, WHICH AMENDS SECTION 20 OF CHAPTER 14, REMOVING THE WORD POCKET FOR USE OF FUNDS. I HAVE THE LONG AWAITED MOTION FROM MR. PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND, HAPPILY, I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VAN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED SIX ZERO. MR. HALL WAS NOT ON

[VIII.2. Consider, discuss, and take action on Ordinance No. 26-06-04-01 of the city of Lago Vista, Texas, amending chapter 14, also known as the “zoning ordinance,” of the code of ordinances, specifically section 20, tree preservation and landscaping requirements, subsection (e)(7), by removing the word “pocket”; providing for purpose and intent; providing the amendment; providing for a finding of fact; providing for severability; providing for a repealer; providing an effective date; providing for projects in transition; providing for codification and publication; and providing an open meetings clause]

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PROVIDING AN OPEN MEETING CLAUSE. HAVE JORDAN AS OUR STAFF REPORT. YES, SIR. THIS IS THE SAME THING. THE FIRST ITEM WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE SECOND IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO I NEED TO OPEN THAT AS A PUBLIC MEETING. NO, SIR. THE FIRST ONE YOU DID OPEN AND CLOSED, AND THE MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE ON THE ORDINANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF BRAD HAS MAYBE CONCERNS ABOUT PROCESS, BUT THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME. OKAY. WELL, MIKE, RON BURGUNDY, I WAS JUST READING THE SCRIPT IN FRONT OF ME. SO I WILL NO COMMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I DID OPEN ONE. SO I'LL CLOSE IT AT 9:01 P.M. AND I'M BACK HERE FOR COUNCIL FOR ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE DELAYING FOR BRAD. MAYOR, PERHAPS IN THE ABSENCE OF CITY ATTORNEY, WE CAN JUST REDO THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ON THIS ITEM SINCE IT WAS NOT OPENED WHEN YOU WHEN I PREVIOUSLY MADE THE MOTION, I DID OPEN THAT ONE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. YOU OPEN NUMBER ONE, BUT YOU DIDN'T OPEN NUMBER TWO. OH, RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO NOW THAT NUMBER TWO IS OPEN. I SUPPOSE WE CAN SIMPLY TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. UNLESS YOU PREFER TO WAIT FOR MR. BULLOCK TO RETURN. I WOULD LIKE TO. I THINK, JUST TO MAKE SURE I DON'T SCREW IT UP. AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER PREVIOUS ACTION. AND OPEN NUMBER TWO. OKAY, BRAD, YOU LEFT FOR TWO MINUTES AND THINGS FELL APART. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I APOLOGIZE. SO HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. I OPENED UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM EIGHT ONE AND WE DID ALL THAT. WE TOOK A VOTE. I TOOK A MOTION. YEAH, WELL, ACTUALLY I CLOSED IT. THEN I TOOK A MOTION. WE APPROVED IT, MOVED ON TO ITEM EIGHT TWO, WHICH IS THE SAME ORDINANCE. I AGAIN OPENED A PUBLIC MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS ALL UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING POSSIBLE ACTION SECTION, AND THEN REALIZED THAT I DIDN'T NEED TO. AND I CLOSED IT. AND THEN WE WERE WONDERING, HOW ARE WE DOING ON PROCESS? SO ITEM NUMBER ONE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING ACTION. ITEM NUMBER TWO SAYS TAKE ACTION.

YEAH, WE DID TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE UNDER NUMBER ONE BEFORE ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS OPEN. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. NOW THAT ITEM 8.2 IS OPEN. SO SO YOU APPROVED IT BEFORE YOU OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DID DO A I READ IN EIGHT ONE AND I DID IT AS A THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DID NOT READ IN EIGHT TWO, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL. OH, I SEE. CORRECT. I THINK I MEAN OPEN EIGHT TWO NOW AND YOU DON'T NEED TO DO. YEAH. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MOTION TO RATIFY THE MOTION WE JUST APPROVED AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. I DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SECOND ONE, BECAUSE I ALREADY DID IT ON THE FIRST ONE. THE FIRST ONE WAS THE HEARING. OKAY.

SO I'VE HELD THE HEARING EVEN THOUGH WE JUST, WE RANDOMLY TOOK A VOTE. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE ON THERE. WELL, I'M, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT, OKAY, I GUESS I'M, I'M, I APOLOGIZE, I'M CONFUSED. BUT YOU TOOK ACTION UNDER EIGHT TWO. NO, I TOOK ACTION UNDER EIGHT ONE. WE COULDN'T OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT DID YOU APPROVE THE DID YOU APPROVE THE ORDINANCE? YES. YES, YES. OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN JUST OPEN EIGHT TWO AND RATIFY THE ACTION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN. OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. AND YOU'RE GOOD. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S. YEAH. WELL, TECHNICALLY TWO IS OPEN RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WELL, THEN WE'RE ON EIGHT. TWO. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE RATIFY THE MOTION PREVIOUSLY MADE ON ITEM 8.1 REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-06-04-01. SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VENICE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE APPROVED SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ERIC, WHAT GUIDANCE DO YOU NEED? THE ISSUE IS THAT MR. HALL WAS ABSENT FROM THE FIRST MOTION, SO I'M NOT SURE HE CAN'T RATIFY SOMETHING HE DIDN'T VOTE ON.

CORRECT. IT DOESN'T I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S STILL RATIFIED BY A MAJORITY.

HIS VOTE IS. SO IT DIDN'T CHANGE. IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME. IT'S STILL SIX ZERO WHEN I PUT IT ON THE MINUTES. CORRECT. YOU YOU CAN YOU CAN PUT IT DOWN AS SEVEN ZERO. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. HE VOTED. HE VOTED. HE HAS THE

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[VIII.3. Open a public hearing regarding the voluntary annexation of approximately 4.949 acres located at 7301 Lohman Ford Road, also known as Lot 27, Travis Hollow Section Two, from the City of Lago Vista Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ) into the corporate limits of the City of Lago Vista, Texas.]

EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION INTO THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS.

OKAY, SO THE TIME IS 906. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR THEIR REPORT. JORDAN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS ANNEXATION OF THESE FIVE ACRES, WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING PUBLIC HEARINGS THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

PROCEDURALLY. THIS IS NUMBER ONE OF TWO. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE SCHEDULED FOR OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TODAY. WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION. IT'S JUST HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. WE HAVE AGAIN RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST, AND THAT INCLUDES SERVICE PROVIDERS AND WITHIN THE 200FT. AND SO PROCEDURALLY THIS IS STEP ONE.

WE'LL DO STEP TWO. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE IS UP CAN BE UP FOR ADOPTION AT OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. THE TIME IS 907. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

[X.1. Consider, discuss, and take action on Ordinance No. 26-06-04-02 Amending Chapter 3, “Building Regulations,” of the City of Lago Vista Code of Ordinances; Adopting Updated Building, Residential, Fire, Existing Building, Mechanical, Plumbing, Fuel Gas, Swimming Pool, Electrical, and Life Safety Codes; Providing for Local Amendments, Administrative Procedures, Permit Requirements, Permit Expiration and Extension Procedures, Design Criteria, Development Procedure Manual References, and Related Building Regulation Requirements; Providing for Conflicts, Severability, Savings, Publication, and an Effective Date.]

CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-6-4-2. AMENDING CHAPTER THREE BUILDING REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. CODE OF ORDINANCES. ADOPTING UPDATED.

BUILDING. RESIDENTIAL FIRE. EXISTING BUILDING, MECHANICAL. PLUMBING, FUEL, GAS, SWIMMING POOL, ELECTRICAL AND LIFE SAFETY CODES. PROVIDING FOR LOCAL AMENDMENTS.

ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES, PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, PERMIT EXPIRATION, EXTENSION PROCEDURES, DESIGN CRITERIA, DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURE, MANUAL REFERENCES AND RELATED BUILDING AND REGULATION REQUIREMENTS PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS OF ABILITY, SAVINGS, PUBLICATION AND EFFECTIVE DATE. JORDAN, ARE YOU THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE OR IS THAT. YES. SO IT'LL BE ME. WE HAD DISCUSSED MAYOR AND COUNCIL AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY. THIS ORDINANCE AND BRINGING IT TO THE BSE AND TO YOU GUYS AS WELL, AFTER WE'VE HAD THEIR INPUT LAST NIGHT AT THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, WE HAD A VERY, VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY'VE REQUESTED IT COME BACK TO THEM CLEAN IN JULY WITH ALL THE RED LINES AND EVERYTHING. IT IT GOT A LITTLE CONVOLUTED. AND SO TONIGHT, ACTUALLY, IF THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT IT, MY REQUEST IS THAT IT GOES BACK TO BS. WE BRING IT BACK IN JULY WITH THEIR BLESSING. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT AND THE DIRECTION WE WERE GOING WITH IT, THEY WERE JUST WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO GET SORTED OUT. AND SO THAT'S OUR INTENT TO BRING TO THEM. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO GIVING THEM A CLEAN COPY ON MONDAY, SO THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW, PUTTING IT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.

AND THEN IN THEORY, BRINGING IT BACK IN JULY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS BEFORE I GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, I DID ALREADY PUT ITEMS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD FOR THAT. JORDAN. I WOULD LIKE IF THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT WHEN YOU GUYS SEND IT BACK. COUNSEL CHAVARRIA YES, THIS WAS A VERY HOT TOPIC LAST NIGHT AND THERE'S THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF CONFUSION ON EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THINGS WERE GOING TO BE PULLED OUT. WERE THEY GOING TO BE WERE THEY GOING TO BE LINKS? WERE THEY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES OR APPENDICES OR EXHIBITS? AND SO THEY DECIDED THAT THEY JUST WANTED IT TO COME BACK TO THEM, COMPLETELY REDLINED THE EXACT FORMAT THAT WAY. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF GRAMMATICAL ERRORS, JUST SOME REQUESTS ON WORDS, LANGUAGE TAKE, TAKE IT OUT. AND THEN JORDAN WAS REALLY QUICK ON THE FLY TO MAKE THOSE AND SO SHE COULD GET IT OUT ON MONDAY. SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE IT THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE A GOOD TIME TO LOOK OVER IT AND GET IT BACK TO US FOR JULY. OKAY. THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION ON IT. MR. HALL, I HAD A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION IN THE TABLE WITH ORANGE AND KIND OF ORANGE COLOR ABOUT

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SO WE AGAIN, THE CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT WAS VERY LENGTHY. AND SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WITH MITIGATION WERE BROUGHT UP. AND THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE ASKED. FOR THE MOST PART, THE CODES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED. AND SO THERE'S NO MAJOR CHANGES ON HOW WE'RE OPERATING. THERE WERE THREE CODES PROPOSED FOR ADOPTION.

THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH ONE OF THEM AND HOW IT RELATES. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'LL DISCUSS AGAIN IN JULY. THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT ON BUILDERS. AND SO IT WILL BE DISCUSSED AGAIN AT THE JULY MEETING. MAYOR PRO TEM. JORDAN I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT IN HERE, BUT WAS THERE ANY MENTION IN TERMS OF CLARIFYING WHAT A POOL IS IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN HERE? JUST REAL QUICK OFF THE TOP WITHOUT READING EVERY LINE IN HERE, I'LL DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AND GO ON THE BOARD. BUT ANYTHING ON THAT? NO, MA'AM. SO POOL IS A STRUCTURE IS IN OUR ZONING CODE. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH EXCEPTIONS AND SETBACKS AND HOW POOL IS DEFINED IN OUR CODE. IN ORDER TO MAKE REVISIONS TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED IN CHAPTER 14, THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL POOL CODE IS SIMPLY HOW THE POOL IS BUILT AND WHAT PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL STANDARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT GO INTO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE. I'M SORRY. AMANDA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION? YOU RAISED YOUR. SURE. THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND THIS BACK TO BACK. LET THEM GET IT SORTED AND CLEANED AND SEND IT BACK TO US FOR JULY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL. HAVE A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OH, NO. MOVE TO ITEM TEN FOUR. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE

[X.4. Consider, discuss, and take possible action on award of the Automated Weather Observing System (AWOS III PT) Replacement and Relocation Project at Rusty Allen Airport, TxDOT CSJ No. 26AWLAGOV and authorizing the City Manager to execute contract documents]

THERE'S A BASE BID AMOUNT OF 99,500, AND THAT INCLUDES REPLACING THE EXISTING AWOS SYSTEM AT THE CURRENT LOCATION. THERE'S AN ALTERNATE BID BASE BASE BID OF 134,000, AND THAT INCLUDES REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING AND RELOCATION OF A NEW SYSTEM AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. THERE WAS ALSO ADDITIONAL OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT, ONE FOR A THUNDERSTRIKE ALERT,

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AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM AS BEST AS I CAN. QUESTION. YEAH, MR. PRINCE, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SO I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU TALK TO MR. LOWRY, AND THE PREFERENCE WAS TO GO WITH THE BASE BID, NOT THE ALTERNATE BASE BID. CORRECT. SO THAT CLEARS THAT UP. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THIS OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT. A COUPLE OF ITEMS. ARE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE ARB RECOMMENDATION OR NOT INCLUDED. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO ARB. BUT TO BE FAIR, IT'S UNDER THAT 150,000 AMOUNT. SO IT'S IT'S BEST TO JUST APPROVE IT AS IS WITH THOSE OPTIONAL EQUIPMENTS. I THINK THE TOTAL WOULD BE ABOUT 124,500 WITH THE BASE BID AMOUNT, WHICH IS WELL UNDER THE 150. SO TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE A B DOES NOT HAVE ANY EXCEPTION TO TO GETTING THIS OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT. THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NONE OF THEM ARE HERE RIGHT NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ERIC? YEAH. MISS VANESSA, SO JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THE PART OF THE, I GUESS, BID OR DISCUSSION WAS A POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE LOCATION. SO I GUESS COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? I ACTUALLY DO NOT KNOW THE THE BACKGROUND OF IT. I KNOW THAT THEY, I TALKED TO MARK TODAY AND HE STATED THAT EVENTUALLY FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, WHEN THEY REPAVE OR RENEW THE THE RUNWAY, IT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE IT. BUT THE LOCATION. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT FACTORED INTO THIS BID. REFER TO CHARLES OR ANYBODY WHO KNOWS. SO. SO I GUESS TO FOLLOW UP THEN THEY'RE SAYING FOR NOW, KEEP KEEP WHERE THE CURRENT ONE IS, REPLACE WITH THE NEW ONE. BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IN THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE IT MAY HAVE TO BE RELOCATED ANYWAYS. POSSIBLY.

YES. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. BUT I THINK IF IT HAS TO BE RELOCATED, PART OF OF THE RUNWAY PROJECT, THERE WOULD BE FUNDING WITHIN THAT RUNWAY PROJECT TO HAVE IT RELOCATED BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PART OF THE FUNDING DEALS. IF YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE ELECTRICAL AND OTHER ITEMS. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MOVED, IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO THE BOARD. AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT MR. LOWRY NOT ONLY IS HEAD OF THE ARB, BUT HE HE SEEMS TO HAVE GREAT CONNECTIONS AND INSIGHT INTO FAA AND TXDOT. SO IF THAT'S HIS RECOMMENDATION, I'M ACTUALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR ERIC. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. ANY DISCUSSION? MISS ZAVALA, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS I ACTUALLY, I AGREED WITH MR. LOWRY AS WELL, THAT SAFETY ISSUE IS IS IS IMPORTANT. SO JUST KEEPING IT IN THAT SAME LOCATION, ACTUALLY THE DOWNTIME WILL BE VERY MINIMAL. WE NEED THAT UP AND RUNNING ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A QUICK EXCHANGE WHEN THE, WHEN THE I MEAN, I EXPECT IT WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND INSTALLED WITHIN A DAY. IF YOU'VE SEEN THESE THINGS GO UP, THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY AMAZING. AND THE UPGRADE TO THE SONIC AND THE THUNDER STRIKE IS, IS, IS REALLY BIG FOR US, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA WHERE WE HAVE ALL THIS FOLIAGE AND TREES. SO IT'LL BE GOOD TO HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I GUESS I FORGOT MY ONE QUESTION IS, I KNOW THE AIRPORT'S EAGER.

THEY'VE BEEN WANTING THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. THIS HAS BEEN PART OF OUR RENEWED DISCUSSIONS WITH TEXDOT AND THE FAA. AND SO IT'S BEEN NICE THAT WE ARE UNLOCKING THESE FUNDS AND THEY'RE STILL CURIOUS. WAS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE BIDDER ABOUT THE TIME IT WILL TAKE THEM TO GET STARTED ON THIS PROJECT AND WHEN THEY CAN GET COMPLETED? SO UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS NO TIMELINE. SO THE PROPOSAL I DO KNOW TEXDOT HAS VERY STRICT SPECIFICATIONS ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION AIRPORTS. SO I'M GOING TO WORK CLOSELY WITH TEXDOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE

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[XI.2. Consider, discuss, and take action on an Ordinance XXXXXX Adopting the City of Lago Vista Development Procedures Manual and Establishing Administrative Procedures for Development Review, Permitting, Application Processing, and Related Development Services Activities.]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU MAY RECALL BACK IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THERE WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS TASKED WITH CREATING CHECKLISTS, FLOWCHARTS, THINGS TO MAKE OUR PROCESSES EASIER AND MORE TRANSPARENT. STAFF TOOK THE DIRECTION FROM THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AND STARTED THE PROCESS OF CREATING THESE MANUALS THROUGH THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT WE SHOULD START PARSING OUT DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES AND ENGINEERING STANDARDS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY BELONG IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND SO NOT THAT WE EXPECT ANY ACTION TONIGHT WHATSOEVER, BUT GIVEN WHERE WE ARE IN THE UDC REORGANIZATION PROCESS, AND GIVEN THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO KICK OFF THAT LAST SECTION OF THE UDC, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT AND CONSIDERING AND FINE TUNING. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMFORT TO PROCEED WITH NOT ONLY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT THE COUNCIL, THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE, AND JUST GENERALLY THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. I KNOW IT'S A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT. MOST OF IT IS BASED IN STATE LAW. AND SO THE INTENT IS TO, AGAIN, JUST TRY TO MAKE EVERYTHING AS CLEAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN THROUGH THE PROCESS. I KNOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS RIGHT NOW ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS INCONSISTENCY AND NOT TRANSPARENCY OR NOT HAVING TRANSPARENCY. I BELIEVE A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THAT WE STRUCTURE OUR CODE.

I'VE SAID IT, I'VE HAD BUILDERS SAY IT AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THAT THOSE FIRST STEPS TO GETTING THIS CLEANED UP AND MAKING IT AS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AS POSSIBLE. WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IN THIS YET IS BUILDING PACKETS. AND SO WHAT I'VE TASKED THE BUILDING TEAM WITH DOING, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR THIRD PARTY PEOPLE, IS ESSENTIALLY MAKING THE SAME CHECKLIST FOR EACH AND EVERY APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WE HAVE REQUIRED BY CODE. THOSE TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THEY HAVE A LOT MORE REFERENCES TO ICC, IBC, ALL OF THAT STUFF.

AND SO IT'S A LIST OF APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND A LIST OF WHAT'S EXPECTED AT EVERY INSPECTION, AT EVERY STAGE OF THE PROCESS. AND SO THE INTENT IS TO GET ALL THIS PACKAGED UP AS NICELY AS POSSIBLE AND ADOPT IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND AN ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL, WHICH WE HAVE KIND OF, AND WE'LL FINE TUNE THAT AS WELL AND BRING IT FOR REVIEW. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JORDAN MAYOR PRO TEM? JORDAN? SO DO YOU HAVE YOU ACTUALLY DRAFTED OR WAS THERE A DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURE MANUAL THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET? YES. SO IT'S THAT I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 250 PAGES. IT SHOULD WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE IT STARTS ON IN THE PACKET ITSELF. THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ALSO RECEIVED COPIES OF IT FOR DISCUSSION RESOLUTION. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE PAGE IT STARTS ON. I THINK THE MANUAL YOU SAID BEFORE IS WHAT WAS EMAILED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE A WHILE BACK AND MYSELF, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET. THERE'S A OKAY ORDINANCE IN A LETTER, BUT THE MANUAL IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT BACK IN. I WANT TO SAY DECEMBER, NOVEMBER. GOTCHA. SO WE CAN PROVIDE COPIES OF THAT.

ESSENTIALLY IT IT'S A STEP BY STEP PROCESS FOR EVERY SINGLE THING, FROM ANNEXATION ALL THE WAY TO BUILDING WITH THAT STEP BY STEP PROCESS. WE HAVE SAMPLE NOTICES SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR EVERY APPLICATION. WE HAVE TIMELINES, PROCESSES, AND THE

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ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THINGS CLEARER AND A LITTLE MORE OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT, I KNOW WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED IN THE COMMUNITY AND UP HERE, BUT THEN MAYBE WE COULD BRING THIS BACK ON A CONSENT AGENDA THEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY AT THE ON JUNE 18TH.

SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT GETS UP THERE OR A LINK ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. MY QUESTION ON THAT IS, WILL THIS NEED TO COME AS WE COMPLETE THE UDC, BECAUSE WE'LL CONFLICT WITH SOME OF THE CODE UNTIL WE'VE CLEANED IT ALL UP. SO YOU MAY NOTE IN THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT MANUAL WILL SUPERSEDE THE INTENT WITH THAT, IS THAT IT. SO THERE'S ITEMS AND WE'VE EVEN IDENTIFIED THEM IN THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE THAT ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW. IT'S WORSE WHEN WE GET TO THE UDC CHAPTERS. AND SO HAVING THE PROCEDURES MANUAL SUPERSEDE COVERS US FOR THAT TIME BEING. AND THEN WHEN WE ADOPT THE UDC AND WE'RE COMPLETELY COMPLIANT AT THAT POINT, IT GOES TO THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE, WHERE WE'RE OPERATING WITH BOTH OF THEM IN CONJUNCTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. PRINCE, JUST FOR THE RECORD THERE, I WAS CONFUSED BY THIS. THERE'S A FEW PAGES IN THE PACKET WHICH DON'T SEEM TO BELONG IN THIS SECTION. IT'S THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, 3 OR 4 PAGES. AND THE PROJECT, IT'S THE SUNSET RANCH CONCEPT PLAN AND LETTER OF INTENT. I ASSUME THAT WAS INADVERTENTLY PLACED HERE AND IS UNRELATED TO THIS TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL ON THIS OTHER THAN THIS WILL BE UP ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER DATE. OKAY. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO WORK. SESSION 113

[XI.3. Discussion and possible direction regarding the establishment of workshop meeting dates and times for reviewing proposed Charter amendments, including the anticipated review schedule, process for Council discussion, and timeline for preparing any proposed amendments for future ballot consideration.]

AND I KNOW IT'S COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ASK ME HOW MANY

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SO UNTIL I HAVE A FINAL PRODUCT, I CAN GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THE VERY LOW END OF THAT ESTIMATE IS PROBABLY AT LEAST ONE FOR EACH CHAPTER. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE LOW END. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CALL THE CHAPTERS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER. IT'S, IT'S THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE TO GET IT LOWER THAN THAT, BUT I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES. AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S STATE LAW.

SO, SO YEAH, THE SOONER YOU GET, WE, THE SOONER WE CAN YOU, YOU COME TOGETHER ON, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS. THAT'S WHEN I CAN TELL YOU, OKAY, NOW THAT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M DEALING WITH, THESE ARE THIS IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS WHAT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH. OKAY. FROM A SCHEDULING PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD ASK THAT THE FIRST FEW MEETINGS, MAYBE WE NEED TO BLOCK OUT LIKE FIVE HOURS AT A TIME TO DO IT. AND I'LL ASK MR. OWEN LATER, COME UP BECAUSE YOUR CONCEPT OF WHICH ARTICLES ARE THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS BOGGED DOWN IN THE MOST, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU EARLY ON THE PREAMBLE TO ARTICLE TWO, NOT A WHOLE LOT. I WOULD EXPECT US TO GET THROUGH THAT A LOT. BUT, MR. PRINCE, WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY I'LL LOOK FOR COUNCIL CONSENT CONSENSUS ON THIS. SO, MR. BULLOCK, I THINK I AM GUESSING THAT WHAT COUNCIL ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN WITH WILL BE SOMETHING HIGHLY RELATED TO WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME DETAILS THAT WE HAGGLE OVER AND COMPLETELY CHANGE, BUT AS FAR AS THE ORGANIZATION AND KIND OF THE SCOPE OF THE OF THE CHARTER, I'LL BE SURPRISED IF IT'S NOT VERY CLOSELY RELATED TO WHAT THEY DID. AND THEREFORE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH US ASKING YOU TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ANALYSIS TO SAY, BASED ON WHAT THEY DID, IS IT GOING TO BE SIX SIX BALLOT MEASURES OR 12, RATHER THAN WAITING TO TAKE A FIRST LOOK AFTER WE'VE DONE THE FINAL VERSION? THAT'S I MEAN, I THAT'S FINE. I CAN DO THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHATEVER ANSWER I GIVE YOU ON WHAT THE CRC HAS AND WHAT I'M DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON WHAT I GET FROM YOU. BUT I CAN SURE, I CAN DO THAT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT WORK, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT WORK. BUT I'M JUST MY REASON FOR SAYING THAT COUNCIL IS THAT WE'RE ON A TIGHT ENOUGH TIME FRAME THAT I HATE FOR THERE TO BE A 2 TO 3, BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY GOT, I DON'T KNOW, 8 TO 10 WEEKS HERE. RIGHT. AND SO IF IF THERE'S A TWO TO 3 OR 4 WEEK BACK END FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM TO FINISH THEIR ANALYSIS, HERE'S WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL THEN. MR. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO. I FINISHED WITH A THOUGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE. I'M SORRY. SO WHAT? WHAT? SO IF Y'ALL CAN TELL ME LIKE WE DON'T EXPECT. YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO ARTICLES ONE, THREE, NOT THREE, BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. GIVE ME, GIVE ME THE TOP, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 6 OR WHATEVER THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT CHANGES TO. IF YOU CAN PROVIDE ME THAT INFORMATION, I CAN GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD I, I CAN GIVE YOU GOOD BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR THOSE ARTICLES THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT A LOT, THEN THAT LEAVES ME WITH ONLY HAVING TO DEAL WITH BALLOT LANGUAGE AND PROPOSITIONS FOR THE ARTICLES THAT THAT ARE BEING STILL REALLY, REALLY WORKED ON. AND THE ONLY REASON, YOU KNOW, AND I HEDGE ON THAT BECAUSE IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN ONE ARTICLE THAT ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY TO EACH OTHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU DO THIS OR THIS, THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS TO BE RUN COUNTER TO EACH OTHER. AND YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THAT FOR THE VOTERS. BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER A BALLOT, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT OR REJECT SOMETHING WITHOUT REJECTING EVERYTHING, APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT JUST GETS TO THAT LEVEL OF GRANULARITY. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE FIVE OR 6 OR 7 ARTICLES THAT ARE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE, I CAN, I CAN HAVE THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR YOU BY.

WHAT ARE WE IN JUNE 1ST, FIRST MEETING OF JULY. I CAN HAVE THAT FOR YOU. NO PROBLEM. I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET. OKAY. I THINK WE REALLY NEED I THINK WHAT COUNCILOR PRINCE SAYS. CORRECT. I THINK AT MAX WE HAVE EIGHT WEEKS. YEAH. AND SO WE WE REALLY NEED EVERYONE TO COMMIT TO GET ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, PUT YOUR NOTES IN, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE. BUT WE NEED TO MEET AT MINIMUM TWICE THIS MONTH. IF ONE MORE COMMENT ON THAT, I THINK IN MR. OWEN'S GOING TO CHIME IN IN A MINUTE HERE. I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY HELPFUL. OF THE THE SECTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSING, I THINK

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AND IF I MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE HAS SEEN IT OR NOT, BUT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD IN THE COMMENTS THAT MR. WEST STARTED AND POSTED THE 52 COMMENTS FROM LEGAL, I TOOK ALL OF THOSE AND EMBEDDED THEM INTO THE CHARTER THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU AS COMMENTS. AND THEN AS THE MAYOR HAS MADE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON ARTICLES, THE PREAMBLE, AND ARTICLES ONE AND TWO, I'VE ALSO EMBEDDED THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS IN THE CHARTER IN LINE WHERE THEY PERTAIN. THE CRC FOUND IT REALLY HELPFUL. YOU HAVE ALL THE SCATTERED FEEDBACK, BUT IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE IT INTO ONE WORKING DOCUMENT AND YOU HAVE A STRING OF COMMENTS THAT ARE ALL RELATED TO THE SAME CHAPTER AND VERSE TOGETHER, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO WORK THROUGH THAT, AND I'M WILLING TO MAINTAIN THAT, PARTICULARLY HEARING WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT ABOUT THE SENSE OF URGENCY IF YOU ALL FIND THAT VALUABLE. AND I'M CHEAPER THAN AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T CALL STAFF TIME, SO I'M WILLING TO DO THAT FOR YOU, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY INITIAL ARTICLE TWO POST. AND I IMMEDIATELY TEXTED YOU AND SAID THAT I WAS WORKING FROM THE CURRENT CURRENT CHARTER. IT'S EASY TO DO. YOU'RE YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PREFER THE WORKING TO DO IT, RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CURRENT CHARTER, THE PROPOSED CHARTER, BRAD'S COMMENTS, AND THEN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE DOING, AND YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T EVER SWITCH OVER OUR OLD CHARTER REDLINED IS JUST A BLOODY MESS. IT'S PROBABLY. I GAVE IT TO YOU ALL WAY BACK WHEN, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN WORTH LOOKING AT. BUT YEAH, I'LL AS YOU POST COMMENTS, I'LL UPDATE THAT WORKING DOCUMENT AND JUST POST THE UPDATES IN THAT COMMENT THREAD OF THE GOOD NEWS OF THE 52 ITEMS I SAW ON BRAD'S LIST, SOME OF THEM WERE TYPOS THAT ARE ALREADY FIXED AND MADE NOTE OF THAT IN THE DOCUMENT AND OTHER STUFF. I JUST KIND OF GAVE THE CRC TO THE BEST. AS I COULD RECALL, THE CRC POSITION ON CERTAIN THINGS JUST FOR CONTEXT. SO USE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. THANK YOU, MR. BENFIELD. BRAD, THE I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE OR CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WHEN I LOOK AT DOCUMENTS, I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT IT SAYS AND I LIKE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE WHAT IT SAYS BETTER. BUT WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ALL TOO OFTEN ON BEING ON CITY COUNCIL IS NOT WHAT THE DOCUMENT SAYS, BUT IT'S WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. AND MY GUESS IS, IS THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE ANY PREVIOUS REVIEWS FROM THE CRC OR COUNCIL WILL COME UP SHORT IS WHAT DOES OUR DOCUMENT NOT SAY? I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD YOU SAY OTHER CITIES WOULD HAVE IT THIS WAY, BUT YOUR CHARTER DOESN'T OPINE ON THAT. AND SO THEREFORE I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, AND AND SO WHEN I WHEN I THINK ABOUT OUR CHARTER. YEAH. WHEN I THINK ABOUT OUR CHARTER, IT'S LIKE I FEEL CONFIDENT WE'RE GOING TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB AT CORRECTING WHAT IT SAYS. BUT HOW DO WE INCORPORATE YOUR SERVICES SO THAT THE THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T

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I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO LIMIT MY USE OF AI, BUT IT CAN BE USEFUL FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR GATHERING AND COLLATING INFORMATION LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALSO. YOU KNOW, TALKING TO OTHER LAWYERS IN MY OFFICE WHO HAVE ALL BEEN THROUGH CHARTER REVIEW AND WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THESE, I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT. MY PARTNERS HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF MY PARTNERS HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT AND ASKING THEM, HEY, LOOK AT THIS. IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT? SOME UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCE THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF THAT'S BETWEEN THOSE TWO THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER AS MUCH AS WE CAN? YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS THE ANOMALY THAT JUST SAYS NOBODY COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THAT.

BUT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT YOU'VE SAID, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT IN YOUR CHARTER. I THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD TRY TO FISH OUT OF HERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK YEAH, AGAIN, IF, IF, WHEN YOU TELL ME THAT A SECTION IS READY, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF, IF, IF THERE ARE 5 OR 6 SECTIONS THAT ARE BASICALLY READY RIGHT NOW, WE'LL START THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL GET YOU, I'LL GET YOU BACK COMMENTS ON THOSE SECTIONS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN IN A MONTH, RIGHT? IF THERE AND AS YOU WORK THROUGH THE OTHERS, GIVE THEM TO US AND WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS. BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO CATCH EVERY, EVERY CATCH, EVERY ISSUE WE CAN. AND, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE TO COUNCIL, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SPEND MOST OF MY TIME IN SECTION THREE. YOU KNOW, MY, MY ANTICIPATION IS, IS BETWEEN THE CCRC'S EXCELLENT. GOOD WORK AND WHAT YOU KNOW, BRAD AND HIS FIRM ARE GOING TO DO. I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT MOST OF THOSE SECTIONS ARE JUST GOING TO GET TAKEN CARE OF ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND I'M GOING TO FOCUS MY TIME ON THREE. AND I THINK TWO MONTHS PROBABLY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO FOUND THAT OUT.

IF WE'RE JUDICIOUS, LIKE SHANE HAS ASKED US TO BE. SO ONE QUESTION FOR Y'ALL BEFORE I BRING ROBERT BACK UP, IS SCHEDULING LIKE THAT, I THINK IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE BRAD AT EACH OF THESE OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE CAN JUST DO THIS ON OUR OWN WITHOUT

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SO THE ROCKPORT IS ANOTHER GOOD EXEMPLAR OF, OF SOMETHING THAT WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, PROCESS WITH LEGAL REVIEW AND VETTING. AND SO THOSE ARE TWO EXCELLENT EXEMPLARS FOR WHAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, WANT TO THINK ABOUT HAVING IN YOUR CHARTER. AND THERE ARE ON OUR DISCUSSION. SO WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO GET ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. START UP WITH YOUR COMMENTS. WE NEED TO EMAIL CHARLES DATES THAT WE CAN BE AVAILABLE AND EXPECT THAT HE'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT. HE'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS IN EACH MONTH LIKELY, AND WE'LL TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN AS TO WHAT ARTICLES WE PUT IN EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS. DOES THAT WORK? MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE CAN WE REAL TIME HERE SELECT A DAY OF THE WEEK THAT IS BETTER SO THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, WOULD WOULD FRIDAYS BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY? WOULD TUESDAYS BE BETTER OR CAN WE NOT GET TO A DATE WITHOUT EVERYBODY CHECKING THEIR CALENDARS? I CAN, BUT WEDNESDAYS ARE BEST FOR ME. AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHEDULING, I UNDERSTAND. WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE SENSITIVE TO COSTS. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO INSERT MYSELF INTO THIS ANY MORE THAN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. BUT WHENEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE A TALK FOR SECTION THREE OR ARTICLE THREE. YEAH, PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR ME TO BE IN ON THAT ONE. I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE IN ON OTHERS, BUT TO BE IN ON THAT ONE, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A GOOD USE OF YOUR TIME. YEAH. AND MORE EFFICIENT THAN YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF AND THEN GIVING IT TO ME AND I SAY, WELL, DON'T DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO. YOU SAID, YES, YOU COULD PICK DAYS. I SAID, YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN LOOK AT MY SCHEDULE. I'M SO I WILL JUST SAY TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS TEND TO BE TOTALLY BOOKED FOR ME. SO I'M BETTER ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, WEDNESDAYS. BUT I THINK I KNOW THAT IT'S OPPOSITE. I'M AVAILABLE IF I HAVE NOTICE.

OKAY, OKAY, MR. HALL, I'M USUALLY AVAILABLE ON FRIDAY. I'M USUALLY I CAN DO FRIDAYS TOO. FRIDAY IS A GOOD DAY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. AND WEDNESDAYS AND FRIDAYS ARE EASIEST FOR ME AS WELL. OKAY, FRIDAY. FRIDAY AFTERNOONS, I WOULD SAY FOR ME. AND THEN THE WEEK OF THE 15TH. I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND MEET, BUT I'LL BE OUT OF POCKET THAT WEEK.

I'M HAVING SURGERY TUESDAY MORNING. OKAY, SO I'M PRETTY MUCH AWOL THAT WEEK. OKAY. MISS CHAVARRIA, IT'S THE SUMMERTIME. I'M PRETTY MUCH FREE AS LONG AS I HAVE NOTICE. OKAY, SO FRIDAY AFTERNOONS IT'S SOUNDING AS POSSIBLE, JUST NOT THE WEEK OF THE 15TH. IF WE CAN AVOID IT.

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OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I'VE GOT OTHER COMMITMENTS LATE IN THE DAY FRIDAY, BUT. OKAY. YEAH. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A CHUNK OF TIME AND COVER A LOT OF GROUND, I WOULD THINK. YEAH. OKAY. ONLY SECTION THREE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE 12TH AND THE 26TH. I CAN DO THE 12 A THE TEXAS CITY ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION CONTINUING EDUCATION IS IS THAT ENFORCING TWO SIX I'LL BE AT THAT CONTINUING EDUCATION. OKAY, I CAN, I CAN. THIS FRIDAY, I CAN ZOOM IN ON 26TH. I CAN ZOOM IN ON THE 26. SO I'D SAY ON THE 12TH, LIKE WE CAN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT PREAMBLE, DEFINITION, ARTICLE ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND THEN WE CONTINUE THREE. AND JUST THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON THE 26TH IS PROBABLY THREE. YEAH. THEN THEN AS LONG AS ZOOMING IN IS OKAY. YES.

YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. I'LL HAVE THE BEACH IN THE BACKGROUND. OKAY. AND THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP, SO I DON'T REALLY NEED CITY STAFF OTHER THAN YEAH, MINIMAL. OKAY, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A LIVE FEED. YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE LIVE FEED. THAT'S ABOUT IT. YEAH. AS FAR AS Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. CHARLES. IS THAT GOOD? YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I THINK WE'RE SAYING NOON. NOON ON THE 12TH, NOON ON THE 26TH.

TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE BY 4 OR 5. LET'S JUST MAKE A COMMITMENT, RIGHT? FOUR HOURS TOPS, NOON TO FOUR, NOON TO FOUR. AND IS JORDAN STILL ON? THAT'S NOT ANY OF OUR UDC DAYS, IS IT? WE DID.

NO. OKAY. THAT'S TOMORROW. YEAH. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD? ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. I'M GOING TO READ

[Items XI.6 & XI.7]

OKAY. SO DID YOU HAVE ANY INITIAL COMMENTS? WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SORRY, I GUESS I COULD SAY BOTH. SAY FOR THE FIRST ONE, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE REGION K ONE BECAUSE THAT'S COMING UP ON THE 24TH. SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TOGETHER. EMAIL YOU SEND STRAIGHT FORWARD. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT STAFF TO DO OR IS THAT SOMETHING OKAY? NO.

NO COMMENTS. I MEAN, WHAT YOU HAD WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. OKAY. I GUESS I'LL ASK YOU WERE SIGNED UP FOR THIS, ROBERT, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP REAL QUICK JUST TO SPEAK TO THE 24TH MEETING AND THE REGION K PLANNING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT CURIOUS TO WHAT WE WERE DOING. YEAH. WHAT YOU WERE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WHAT, 20 SOME ODD YEARS AGO WITH MAYOR DAVID DEEDS OF JONESTOWN. HE WAS THE MUNICIPAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NORTH SHORE AREA, AND HE ASKED FOR MY HELP. YOU KNOW, FROM THE TECHNICAL SIDE, I'M A REGISTERED GEOLOGIST WITH THE STATE. AND THEN HE HAD HE GOT OUT OF THE MAYORSHIP AND AND WANTED ME TO CONTINUE. SO I DID.

AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE REGION K BOARD FOR 20 YEARS. AND WHEN I CAME, WHEN I CAME TO

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BUT I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXERCISE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. IF THERE'S A CHEAPER WAY TO DO IT. OKAY. SO JUST YEAH, LOOK, I GUESS COUNCIL, ARE YOU GOOD IF I WORK WITH YOU AND CHARLES AND THEM ON THIS AND GET SOMETHING SUBMITTED? YEAH, WELL, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

I'M THE WESTINGHOUSE GUY. I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. ERNESTO, I MUST BE TIRED AND MISUNDERSTOOD.

WHEN DID YOU SEND THAT EMAIL ABOUT LCRA? THAT'S FOR THE. THAT WAS SEPARATE. YEAH, RIGHT.

THE WATER BOARD, WATER CONSERVATION AND ALL THAT STUFF. CORRECT. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE A DRAFT FOR THIS YET. IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING NEW. I GOT TO PUT TOGETHER. OKAY. BUT THERE IS STUFF ALREADY IN THERE FOR US. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THERE.

EXACTLY. THAT WAS DONE BACK WHEN TAYLOR WAS HERE. OKAY, SO IT'S WHATEVER TAYLOR WROTE AS FAR AS WHAT HE FORESAW THE PROJECTS AT THAT TIME, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY IT IS.

I'LL BE. I'LL BE OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT THE WATER BOARD IS PRESENTING. THE $1.038 BILLION. YEAH. SO THAT APPLICATION DEADLINE IS JULY 30TH. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE GUIDANCE YOU NEED TO GET THAT IN. YES, WE HAVE ATTENDED BOTH WEBINARS, STAFF HAS ATTENDED BOTH WEBINARS, AND WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION. WE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THE GRANT WRITER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S QUITE TEDIOUS. YEAH. SO HE'S GOING TO PUT A PROPOSAL AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO HIM TOMORROW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THE AS YOU REMEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBERS PREVIOUSLY, DOCUMENTATION WAS NOT SUBMITTED TO THE WATER BOARD. SO WE ARE NOW TO THE FINAL STEPS OF BEING CAUGHT UP TO WHAT WAS NOT SUBMITTED. I PLAN TO BRING TO COUNCIL A REVISED WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, JUST SMALL TWEAKS THAT THE WATER WOULD WANT IT TO. I'M HOPING TO HAVE IT READY BY THE END OF JUNE OR NOT IN JUNE, BUT THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE. SO I'M TRYING TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO WE'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR IT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY WORK THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND GET ENGINEER FIRMS PROPOSALS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. OKAY. MY ASK FOR COUNCIL AND YOU IS WOULD IT BE FAIR TO ASK FOR A PROGRESS REPORT AND A DRAFT OF THAT APPLICATION BY THE JUNE JULY 2ND MEETING? YEAH, I'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ONCE I TALK TO HIM OVER THE PHONE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT OUR TIMELINE IS. OKAY, YOU GUYS GOOD IF WE ASK FOR IT? BECAUSE THIS IS THE THE 1.2 BILLION THAT THEY GAVE. THIS IS A ONE TIME FUND FOR NOW UNLESS THEY REFUND IT AGAIN. BUT EVERYBODY IN THE STATE IS APPLYING. YES. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS THE I FORGET WHAT THEY NAMED THE WATER OR SOMETHING. AND INFRASTRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE YOU GO. YEP. SO YEAH, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LUMPING TOGETHER ON BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS WE IN THE POPULATION, WE QUALIFY FOR SUBMIT EVERYTHING. AND THEY PREFER THAT WE SUBMIT EVERYTHING. ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE COULD DO SUPPLY AND SUBMIT, BUT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE FIRMS ALREADY WITH PROPOSALS AND COST STUDIES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY KIND OF RUSH IT, BUT NOT RUSH IT TO WHERE IT GETS TO. BUT BUT WE'RE MAKING STEPS FORWARD, MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT IN TERMS OF MY BEST. I UNDERSTAND THIS COMPLICATED WORLD. SO

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OKAY. SO MAYBE I SHOULD FURTHER STATE THAT FROM VICTOR'S SIDE, I GOT AN EMPHASIS THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE OKAY ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, ON BRINGING WATER IN, THAT THE THE WATER EXPAND OUR WATER TREATMENT TO BRING WATER TO OUR RESIDENTS IS NEEDING MORE FOCUS AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE URGENT. THAT WAS YES, YES. OKAY. SO THE REASON I STATE THAT IS BECAUSE, YES, THERE IS A NEW DATA, PRETTY EXTENSIVE THAT VICTOR HAS PUT TOGETHER THAT HAS US SHIFTING OUR PRIORITIES AND THE PACE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THE IPASS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LEARNING ABOUT THAT INFORMATION.

AND BUT AND VICTOR IS FURTHER FINE TUNING IT SO THAT HE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL, RUNNING IT THROUGH IPASS FIRST. BUT IN REGARD TO THE DEADLINE ON THIS DEFINITELY WITH VICTOR INCLUDED IN THOSE MEETINGS, I BELIEVE, TO GO BETWEEN THE CURRENT ON THE GROUND WHAT EARNEST IS DOING, BUT ALSO WITH AN EYE TO WHAT VICTOR IS ALSO SEEING ON THE HORIZON. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY APPLY FOR EVERYTHING, RIGHT? THEY'RE LETTING YOU PUT ALL THE PROJECTS IN. SO PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. AND THEN FOR SOME OF THAT, IF IT'S STILL ON THE FLY, VICTOR'S STILL WORKING ON THINGS. YOU'RE PROBABLY HAVE TO FALL BACK STILL ON THE WATER PLANS THAT WE HAVE EXISTING JUST BECAUSE THAT'S TRUSTED DOCUMENTATION THAT THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS GOING TO SEE AND SAY THEY'VE ALREADY INVESTED MONEY WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS, AND THEY HAVE THESE PLANS. SO AND I THINK THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT CAN FALL UNDER THAT TREE OF WHAT'S IN THE WATER PLAN. WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT MAYBE OF THE TOTALITY OF WHAT IT SAID, BUT THE PROJECTS Y'ALL STILL THINK NEED TO BE DONE OR SOMEWHERE IN THEIR QUALIFYING, IF YOU STILL PUT FORWARD IN THE APPLICATIONS WHAT THE PLAN SAID, IT WOULD STILL FIT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY CAME TO DO THE PROJECT, I THINK.

YEAH. SO WE ARE PLANNING FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO UPGRADES AND RENOVATIONS REALLY.

SO THEN EVERYTHING QUALIFIES. WE INCLUDING IT. AND I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE IS TO GET THE FIRMS TO GET US THOSE PROPOSALS. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A FIRM SIGNS WE ALREADY HAVE WITH THE RFQ, THAT'S ONE STEP. THE SECOND STEP IS TO GET THE PROPOSALS. ONCE WE HAVE THOSE AND APPROVED, THEN THAT'S ALREADY PROGRESS AND IT HAS A BIGGER CHANCE OF GETTING APPROVED AND MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE REGARDLESS, THE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO MIGHT AS WELL GET ALL THAT TAKEN CARE OF. PERFECT. MR. BENNEFIELD, NOT TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS SHANE, WHEN WHEN DID WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRST WATER APPLICATION? I THINK IT WAS THE END OF 2024 GOING INTO 2025. AT THAT TIME, COUNCIL KIND OF GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF.

THAT SAID, THERE REALLY WASN'T MUCH MORE WE COULD BE DOING THAT WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN SECURING THE FUNDS THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THESE PARTICULAR GRANTS. AND SHANE WAS KIND OF SPEARHEADING THE THE PROJECT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMITMENTS THAT NO MATTER WHAT, WE WEREN'T GOING TO MISS THE DEADLINES. AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DAY IT WAS.

SHANE WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN I DO. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT REALLY CLOSE AND I THINK SHANE KIND OF POPPED HIS HEAD IN THERE LIKE, HEY, WHERE ARE WE ON THE APPLICATIONS? LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. AND THEY WERE JUST AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER. AND I THINK IN THE END, YOU PULLED SOMETHING TOGETHER, GOT THE APPLICATIONS OUT THE DOOR. AND I GUESS ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT $1 MILLION, I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF STAFF COULD WE DEVOTE TO ENSURING THAT WE GET $1 MILLION? YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE DO WHAT'S NECESSARY, NOT JUST TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, BUT TO SUBMIT A GOOD APPLICATION. AND THEN IF ALONG THE WAY YOU NEED ANYTHING, JUST MAKE SURE YOU LET US KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I LIKE THAT, ABSOLUTELY I WILL, I THINK IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU'RE WORKING ON THE NEXT TWO MONTHS BECAUSE THIS IS ONE TIME MONEY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS OVER THE PAST MONTH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WHO'S THE GRANT WRITER? THE ONE THAT SUBMITTED THE REVOLVING FUND. OKAY, I'LL BE TALKING TO HIM TOMORROW. OKAY. SO EXPECTATION

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[Items XII & XIII]

AND THAT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE TO AND BRING IN MORE GOLFERS. THE THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN IN SOME DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY MIGHT TACKLE, WHETHER WHETHER WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, WHETHER THAT BE A FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT CLUBHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS OR OTHER CHANGES TO THE GOLF COURSE, OUR CLUBHOUSE THAT PROVIDE A BETTER CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE? SO THE THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WILLING TO TAKE ON A PROJECT AND JUST ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE DOING.

MR. BUTTERFIELD, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST OR LIAISON REPORTS? NO, SIR. I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL TO RESPOND TO. OKAY. SORRY. THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT NOW AND TONIGHT, BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD ADD IT TO AN AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS AND, YOU KNOW, BE PREPARED TO COME BACK WITH A WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM. DO YOU WANT TO SUBMIT IT FOR THE 18TH? THAT WOULD BE GOOD. GOOD. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. BENFIELD. NO, SIR. I'M GOOD. MISS CHAVARRIA. YES. THE BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, OF COURSE, MET LAST NIGHT AND OF COURSE WE HAD TO SEND ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK FOR THEM TO WORK ON IN JULY. BUT, SHANE, YOU ARE OUT. AND I WANTED TO REITERATE THE AWARD THAT PEOPLE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL GOT THEY ARE WERE AWARDED THE GOVERNOR'S COMMUNITY ACHIEVEMENT AWARD AND IN THE AMOUNT OF $160,000 IN COLLABORATION WITH TEXAS BEAUTIFUL. SO THAT MONEY WILL BE USED TO CREATE A. ANOTHER INSTALLATION AT THE CORRIDORS WERE POSSIBLY LOOKING AT 1431 COMING FROM MARBLE FALLS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WALL THAT'S OVER BY CVS WITH THE WITH THE THE WALL THAT WAS BUILT THERE WITH THE LAST TIME WE WON WAS SIX YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY UPDATES I'LL HAVE CURRENTLY FROM THE BOARDS. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I THINK THE ONLY ITEM OF COMMUNITY INTEREST THAT I WILL PUT ON PEOPLE'S RADAR IS THAT CHIEF JOY HAD KINDLY MADE HIMSELF AVAILABLE TO COME SPEAK TO THE LIONS AND THE LIONS. YOU KNOW, NOT DOING ANYTHING SMALL HAS DECIDED TO TURN IT INTO A TOWN HALL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT YET. THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND.

THEY'RE THEY'RE TALKING WITH THE MAYOR AND TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THEY ARE ALL RIGHT. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BEAT. I WAS THINKING, YES, MA'AM. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE OTHER IS, OF COURSE, THE EDC WILL IS MOVING ALONG AND THEY'RE GOING

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AND THANK YOU, ERIC, FOR MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE AGENDA CAME TOGETHER AND GOT OUT TO EVERYBODY. AND LET'S SEE. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE ON JUNE 9TH. THANK YOU. LAST WAS LAST WEEK, WENT TO TEXTILE AVIATION WITH STEVE LOWRY. AND JAMES PECK WENT REALLY WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD ON FUNDING FOR THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS OVER $6 MILLION. AND THEN THE A WAS. SO THAT WAS PRETTY EXCITING. NOTHING OF CONCERN IN THOSE MEETINGS. THEY JUST WANT US TO CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM, CONTINUE TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. CHARLES HAS ALREADY EMAILED WITH THEM ABOUT THE WAS IT THE MEETING? I THINK THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR A WEEK OR TWO FROM NOW. AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WILL SET THE TIMELINE FOR THESE PROJECTS. AND THEN NEXT FRIDAY, WHICH I GUESS WILL NOW BE AFTER OUR CHARTER MEETING, THE A, B IS GOING TO MEET, I THINK, GO OVER THE AGREEMENT. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE. WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE SEEING THEIR COMMENTS ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WE SENT TO THEM PRETTY SOON. AND SO EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE MOVING FORWARD. HOPEFULLY, MAYBE IN JULY, WE'LL HAVE THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BEFORE US AGAIN, AND IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THAT DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S IT ON MY END. MISS FITNESS NOTHING. ALL RIGHT, MR. PRINCE, JUST A FEW COMMENTS ON ON IPAS. MISS OWEN WAS KIND OF SAYING THIS, BUT I THINK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, IT'S WORTH REITERATING, WE MET WITH STAFF, SPECIFICALLY ERNESTO AND VICTOR, AND WE DID THE HIGH LEVEL TAKEAWAYS THAT THAT I GOT FROM THAT WERE, NUMBER ONE, REALLY TOP PRIORITY IS FOR STAFF TO DO SOME THINGS AROUND GETTING MORE OUT OF OUR EXISTING WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN MIND FOR THAT. SO THAT WE GET, I MEAN, WE ON PAPER, OR AT LEAST T Q NUMBERS, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PLANTS THAT CAN DO 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. BUT IN REALITY, THEY'RE DOING LESS THAN THAT. AND SO REALLY VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR STAFF IS TO GET UP CLOSER TO THOSE 2 MILLION GALLONS AT EACH OF OUR TWO PLANTS. AND SO THAT WAS A, I WOULD SAY, THE TOP PRIORITY. AND THEN SETTING THE PLANS AROUND WATER PLANTS AND, AND WASTEWATER. VICTOR WALKED US THROUGH A LOT OF DATA THAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER, ANALYSIS HE PUT TOGETHER ON THE WATER SIDE TO HELP DRIVE SOME DECISIONS ON INVESTMENT AND INVESTMENT TIMING. ON THE WATER SIDE, ONE OF THE OTHER BIG TAKEAWAYS FOR ME WAS THE DATA ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE IS A LITTLE CONTRADICTORY. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU MEASURE IT, YOU GET DIFFERENT RESULTS. AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PRIORITY FOR STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A BETTER MEASUREMENT SYSTEM. SO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE AND KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVEST. AND TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, THE, THE DATA THAT WE'RE MEASURING AS WASTEWATER IS COMING OUT OF THE PLANT DOES NOT MATCH THE DATA THAT IS BEING MEASURED ON IRRIGATION.

AND SO, COUNTERINTUITIVELY, THE DATA SAYS WE'RE DISTRIBUTING MORE WATER THAN THE PLANT IS PRODUCING. AND SO SINCE WE ALL KNOW THAT CAN'T BE THE CASE, STAFF IS IS TRYING TO GO BACK AND GET BETTER DATA. BUT, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT WAS ALL DATA BASED.

WHAT DO WE KNOW? WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY NOT KNOW? AND HOW WILL WE GET REAL DATA? WHERE TODAY THE DATA IS, IS A LITTLE BIT SUSPECT? SO I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE DISCUSSION, AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE OUTPUT OF IPAS OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. JUST CURIOUS IN THAT MEETING AS FAR AS LIKE EFFICIENCY AT WATER PLANT THREE, I SAW IN THE APRIL PUBLIC WORKS THING THAT YOU ALL HAD DONE SOME MAINTENANCE ON THE TRITONS ON THE TITANS. IS THAT DID THAT IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AT ALL? WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAME FROM THAT OR WAS THAT PLANNED? YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE ON THEM. GOING TO BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. OKAY. YEAH, IT SAID, YOU GOT TO PICK A TIME WHEN WE'RE AT OUR LOWEST USAGE. WHEN WHEN IS THAT? PROBABLY DURING FALL.

OKAY. MR. WEST, DID YOU HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS? COMMUNITY INTEREST? I DON'T HAVE ANY

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RECORD THE GAME. REALLY? WELL, WE'LL END ON A GOOD NOTE THEN. SO THEN I'LL GO AHEAD

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.