Jul 01, 2026 Building And Standards Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

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YES, WE ARE VERY MUCH GOOD. THE TIME IS NOW. 642. WE HAD A DELAY FOR TECHNICAL TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES. I WILL CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION TO ORDER. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ROLL CALL. FRANK ROBERTS I'M HERE, JIM CASON, JIM LEE, LAURA SARTOR HERE. JEFF COBLE HERE. CLIFF MCCULLOUGH HERE. DAVE SNYDER HERE. CITIZEN COMMENTS. YOU DON'T COUNT AS CITIZEN, RIGHT? SO THERE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS.

[III. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]

[IV.1. Consider, discuss and take action on a recommendation to City Council regarding amendments to Chapter 3, “Building Regulations,” adopting updated construction codes and establishing local administrative and technical amendments.]

ADOPTING UPDATED CONSTRUCTION CODES. WERE ACTUALLY ADOPTING TWO NEW CODES AND ESTABLISHING LOCAL ADMINISTRATIVE AND TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS. JORDAN. YES. SO AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. THE REQUEST WAS THAT WE CLEAN EVERYTHING UP, BRING IT BACK. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET IS THAT CLEANED UP VERSION. AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF COMMENTS. SO RED IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN AGREED OR ADDRESSED ALREADY TO AN EXTENT. AND THEN THINGS IN BLUE ARE SOMETHING THAT WERE WORKED OUT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS. AND SO THERE WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK CHANGES AS BEST WE CAN WITH AS MUCH INPUT AS WE'VE RECEIVED.

AND SO I KNOW, MR. ROBBINS, YOU'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT AND WE CAN START THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I ASK YOU TO WALK THROUGH IT. OKAY. SO YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE NINE OF THE PACKET, IT'S GOING TO BE SECTION 3.103, ITEM C. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED. IT'S MANAGING THE CONFLICTS. THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE FROM OUR LAST MEETING. QUESTIONS ANYTHING.

OKAY. SO THE NEXT CHANGE IS GOING TO BE NOTED ON. YOU'LL SEE 16 THROUGH I BELIEVE 19 IS ALL THE RED LINES. ALL OF THAT STUFF IS TAKEN OUT. AND WE GET TO 3.106, WHICH IS ON PAGE 21.

AND SO WE HAD DISCUSSED ADOPTING THE CODES AND THEN HAVING A SEPARATE EXHIBIT FOR THE AMENDMENTS. AND SO THIS SECTION IS THE ADOPTION OF CODES. THERE WAS SOME CLEANUP YOU'LL SEE IN BLUE REGARDING THE APPENDICES AND THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS. SAME THING ON THE NEXT PAGE. MOST OF THIS HAS NOT. QUICK QUICK POINT. YES SIR. IT'S YOU GO THROUGH THIS IF FOLKS HAVE ISSUES OR QUESTIONS, YES, PLEASE STOP. AND AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO STOP AND POINT OUT THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, LORD JIM AND I HAVE MET AND SPENT HOURS AND HOURS, PARTICULARLY JIM, SORTING THROUGH HOW AND WHERE THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ADOPTED CODES WOULD BE. AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THEY THEY HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, AND THE

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INSTEAD OF BEING A SUBSECTION OF THE FIRST ONE, IT'S A SUBSECTION OF THIS NEW SUBSECTION. JORDAN, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? FRANKLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S WHY IT'S A FORMATTING THING. SO I'M I'M INDIFFERENT. IT'S NOT CONTENT. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SECTION YOU HAVE SECTION 3.106 IS ADOPTED CODES. OKAY. WELL, YOU FINISHED TALKING ABOUT ADOPTED CODES. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO TO C AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LOCAL AMENDMENTS IN DESIGN CRITERIA. RIGHT. SO YOU GET IT. SO YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SECTION WHICH IS LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND DESIGN. SO WHERE DOES THAT GO. IT STAYS HERE. YEAH. WHATEVER THE NEXT NUMBER IS, IT GETS A NUMBER INSTEAD OF A LETTER 3.17. YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK OF HOW TO

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THE ADOPTED CODES 3.106 IS THIS WHERE STAFF WANTS THIS PLACE? YES. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS. AND AND AGAIN, THERE'S TWO NEW CODES BEING ADOPTED. EXISTING BUILDINGS AND POOL, SPA. THE REST OF THEM ARE ALREADY ADOPTED, BUT WE'RE PULLING THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS OUT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. WE'RE ON PAGE 23. RIGHT, JORDAN? YES, SIR. AND THE LAST THING I HAVE IS STRIKE H. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL ON THIS PAGE. OH, AND MR. ROBBINS, MISS CHAVARRIA, WHEN YOU HAVE. I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION ON THE STRIKING OF H.

DOES THAT IMPACT ANY GRANDFATHERED ISSUES FOR BUILDINGS AND WOULD THAT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS DOWN FURTHER DOWN THE LINE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING TERMINOLOGY VERSUS WHAT'S ALREADY BEING ACCEPTED OR BEING RECOMMENDED? NO, MA'AM. SO IN SECTION B, IT SAYS THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE WILL COVER BASICALLY EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS IN H. IT'S JUST LISTED IN TWO PLACES. AND SO WE'RE STRIKING IT FROM ONE AND LEAVING IT IN THE OTHER. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BY STRIKING THAT LANGUAGE, WE WEREN'T CAUSING ANY OTHER ISSUE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. THANK YOU. SO THERE'S A CONSENSUS SO FAR ON JIM SUGGESTIONS. OKAY.

I'M WAITING ON JORDAN TO GET CAUGHT UP. SORRY, I'M WRITING THE MOTION. THAT'S OKAY.

SECTION. OKAY. ANYTHING ON 22 AND 23? OKAY, SO MOVING TO 24. IT'S FINISHING OUT THE THE REMAINDER OF THOSE CHANGES. I HAVE A QUESTION ON. 24 ON THE ENERGY CONSERVATION. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. CAN SOMEBODY PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF. CLARITY INTO LIKE HOW THIS CAME ABOUT? BECAUSE LIKE PECK IS OUR ELECTRIC PROVIDER FOR THIS AREA. SO AND THEY'RE NOT A STATE AGENCY. SO I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THIS PARAGRAPH. SO THE, WE HAVE ADOPTED THE ENERGY CODE. WE CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE ENERGY CODE. FOR INSTANCE, I BELIEVE IT'S AUSTIN HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH AUSTIN ENERGY THAT THEY'RE BOTH AUSTIN,

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

AND SO. YES, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT I HAVE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE A LITTLE BIT IN THIS.

AND I DO THINK THAT WE CAN DEFER THIS TO LEGAL TO MAKE SURE BRAD AGREES. BUT I'VE HAD A PROPERTY THAT I JOINT OWNED WITH SOMEONE, AND WE WE WERE TRYING TO DO A PERMIT ON A SEPARATE PROPERTY, AND THERE WAS A LIEN AGAINST THE CITY FOR SOME WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE.

WE HAD TO CLEAR EVERYTHING FOR ALL PROPERTIES THAT WERE OWED BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE ON ONE WITHIN THE WITHIN THAT COUNTY. AND THEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE CITY TO. SO I THINK THAT YOUR, YOUR YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FOOTING ON THERE. AND IT'S BASICALLY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ABANDONING ONE PROJECT AND JUST JUMPING ON TO A NEXT AND CAUSING MORE HEADACHES DOWN THE LINE TO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS FIRST OR CLEAN UP YOUR SITUATION THAT YOU OWE THE CITY AND NOT BE IN ARREARS. WE CAN DEFINITELY GET WITH BRAD ON IT TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S OKAY, BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT IT IS. I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT IT IS AS WELL. THE

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SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO WOULD AMEND THIS SPECIFICALLY BY MOTION. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS REALLY COMPLICATED MOTION. SO YOUR SUGGESTION IS WHAT THE LANGUAGE. OKAY. AS A CONDITION OF APPLICATION COMPLETENESS REVIEW APPROVAL PERMIT ISSUANCE INSPECTION RELEASE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION, UTILITY RELEASE OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT RELATED AUTHORIZATIONS. WHAT SECTION? PARDON ME. WHAT SECTION OF THE SO THIS WOULD GO IN BE ON PAGE 28. AND IT WOULD BE EITHER A NUMBER ONE. SO IT WOULD EITHER BE SIX OR WE COULD MAKE IT. HOW ABOUT A D, A D. OKAY. 1D1D AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT WAS MY OTHER OPTION ONE D OR MAKE IT 61D1D. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'M TRYING TO NOT HAVE A 20 MINUTE MOTION. IT'S IN WRITING. IF IT HELPS. WELL IT'S IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND B PARENTHESES. B ON PAGE 28 AS DESCRIBED BY STAFF. SECOND MOTION A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND SEND IT TO BRAD. THANKS.

PLEASE DON'T. AND AND THANKS. THANK YOU MA'AM. IT'S A GREAT THING WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH THAT. A VERY BIG ISSUE. SO WE AGREED THAT. NOW DOES THIS MEAN THE COUNCIL CAN'T CHANGE OUR LIAISON. YOU HAVE TO COUNCIL WHATEVER. THAT'S THE NUMBER. OH IT IS GOING TO BE JORDAN, YOU'RE ON PAGE 21. SECOND PAGE 28, SECTION B, ITEM ONE, SUBSECTION D, AND JUST REMIND ME TO FIND THE VERBIAGE AND I'LL SEND IT. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. THE NEXT CHANGE IS GOING TO BE PAGE 30 AND 31. THIS IS NOTHING NEW, I PROMISE, AS IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF RED LINE.

IT'S NOT. IT'S THE EXTENSION OF, WELL, NOT THE EXTENSION. IT'S THE THE LENGTHENING OF THE PERMIT EXTENSION OR THE PERMIT TIMELINES AS WELL AS THE. THERE WAS A LOT OF NOT A LOT OF THERE WERE CHANGES IN THE SECTION ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER OR THE DESIGNEE AND WHAT THEY NEED FOR HARDSHIPS AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT'S REFLECTED HERE AS WELL. WE'LL SEE. THERE IS AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR SOME HELP FROM YOU GUYS AS WELL. IN SECTION TWO. ON PAGE 31 AT THE BOTTOM IT MENTIONS 36 MONTHS PAST THE ORIGINAL ISSUANCE. AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND MODERNIZING OUR PROCESSES IN MGO RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT HAS COME UP THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A STANDARD EXTENSION LENGTH. AND SO MY CONCERN ALWAYS WITH STAFF IS THAT IF IT'S DISCRETIONARY AT STAFF, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND ALL OF THAT JAZZ AND SO ARBITRARY. YEAH. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S CURRENTLY WE DO 12 MONTH EXTENSIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBER THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHATEVER IS COMFORTABLE, BUT A SET AMOUNT, BECAUSE WE CHARGE A FEE WITH IT, WE COULD RUN INTO SOME TROUBLE WITH AND NOT MY STAFF CURRENTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET HIT BY A BUS.

SOMEBODY CAN SAY YOUR EXTENSION IS ONLY GOOD FOR 30 DAYS AND YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE AGAIN NEXT MONTH AND THE MONTH AFTER THAT AND THE MONTH AFTER THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO

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RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. DO WE MAKE IT THREE MONTH EXTENSION, SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS? IS IT A YEAR IF WE'RE GOING TO LET IT BE STAFF DISCRETION. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LET'S MAKE CAVEATS INTO THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR THINGS OR WHATEVER. I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT AMBIGUOUS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO BUILDERS.

SO IT'S YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS IN HERE, RIGHT? SIX MONTHS. OKAY. SO I TAKE EVERYTHING I JUST SAID BACK, WE NEED TO MOVE THAT SIX MONTH TO THE, THE LOCAL AMENDMENT SHEETS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE LOCAL AMENDMENT SHEETS. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TODAY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT MGO. WHICH BRINGS UP A QUESTION LIKE ALL THIS STUFF UP AT THE TOP OF PAGE 31 IS ALSO IN YOUR LOCAL AMENDMENTS. WE WANT THE STUFF IN BOTH PLACES. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE, I THOUGHT WE WERE PUTTING IT IN LOCAL AMENDMENTS SO YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE EASILY. BUT NOW YOU GOT TO GO BACK OVER HERE AND CHECK AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE CHANGING THIS TO THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE IT IN LOCAL AMENDMENTS AT A STAFF LEVEL.

BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH REGARDING THAT. AGAIN, EVERYTHING STILL HAS TO BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST WHERE WE HOUSE IT AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT TODAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO MGO, DID NOT LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. AND SO IMMEDIATELY AND I EVEN HIGHLIGHTED IT AND WROTE ON HERE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE CODE. AND SO MY PREFERENCE ALL IN ONE SPOT. BUT IF THERE'S NOT A LEVEL OF COMFORT DOING THAT, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A HILL I'M WILLING TO DIE ON. I THINK IT JUST MAKES SENSE THAT IT'S ONLY IN ONE SPOT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, BUT HE'S CHANGING IT. QUESTION IS, WHICH WHY? AND. I THINK I WOULD GO WITH THE LOCAL.

THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I RAN ACROSS FROM HERE THAT SEEM TO BE IN MORE THAN ONE SPOT AND SOME ARE IN, IN LOCAL AMENDMENTS WRITTEN OUT, I SUSPECT. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE ALSO IN THE ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T I KNOW YOU WANT THAT EITHER TO ADOPT SOMETHING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE EXCEPT FOR THE THINGS YOU EXCLUDED, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? EITHER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM. AND SO EVEN WITH THE UDC SECTION THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE PUBLIC, YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME SECTIONS, FOR INSTANCE, CONFLICTS, CONFLICTS WERE FOUND IN ALMOST EVERY CHAPTER THROUGHOUT THE CODE. BUT WHAT THEY SAY ON HOW WE HANDLE CONFLICTS DIFFERS IN EVERY SECTION AND NOT BECAUSE OF LAW, BUT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN MORPHED OVER THE YEARS. AND SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WE'LL DEFAULT TO THE BOARD. JIM. WHAT'S WHAT IS WHERE IS IT IN THE LOCAL AMENDMENT SECTION, PAGE 35. IT'S 2.8 AND 2.9. SO THERE'S DURATION AND THEN EXTENSIONS RIGHT AFTER THE FACT. 31. I THINK IT ALL SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. THE ONLY, I THINK TO GET THAT ORGANIZED AND PULLED OUT WOULD TAKE A MUCH LONGER MOTION THAN I THINK ANYBODY IS. OKAY, WELL, I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THAT. I MEAN, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE NEW LABELING, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE NEW TITLES. AND SO WE CAN MAKE THE EXHIBIT MATCH THE CODE AS A REFERENCE POINT AND JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. I DO THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT IN THE EXHIBIT, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HANDING BUILDERS, AND IT'S EASY TO READ. IT'S RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND IT. BUT HAVING IT

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I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN BOTH PLACES. AND WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO GET IT CLEANED UP.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT CLEANUP WOULD ENTAIL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RENUMBER SECTIONS. JIM. DELETE. THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME STUFF AND THIS IS A PRIOR ALL, ALL THIS PARAGRAPH IS PARENTHESES ONE. IT'S THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH HAS BEEN REDLINED, WHICH ACTUALLY IS NOT WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND THAT WE AMENDED, WE ADMITTED SOME PHRASES, BUT THERE'S STUFF IN PARENTHESES, ONE ON PAGE 31. THAT'S NOT. IN 2.8. CORRECT ME IF I WANT YOU. THERE'S A 90 DAY TIME FRAME THAT'S NOT. AND. 90 DAY TIME.

YOU HAVE 90 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL TO START WORK OR YOUR PERMIT IS NULL AND VOID.

IT'S RIGHT BELOW SECTION, OR IT SAYS THERE'S A LITTLE J IN PARENTHESES AS AN IDENTIFIER.

THIS IS. JIM. YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT. BUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK. WE SPENT HOURS TRYING TO MESH STUFF, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT AGAIN TONIGHT. AND MY PREFERENCE, FRANKLY, IS TO GO AS WRITTEN. THERE'S NO HARM IN THE REDUNDANCY. BUT AND THE PART OF THIS IS THE PERMIT DURATION IS A PERMIT DURATION THAT 90 DAY DEAL HAS TO DO WITH NOT HOW LONG THE PERMIT LASTS.

IT'S WHEN YOU START WORK, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET STARTED IN THE WORK, WHICH ALSO CONFLICTS OR IS DIFFERENT FROM THE. I SEE WHICH THIS ORDINANCE SAYS THE MOST STRICT APPLIES. SO IT'S 90 DAYS OR SEE SAYS 180, WHICH I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT. I MEAN, WE HAVE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT.

IT'S OKAY. FROM THAT'S MY STANDPOINT. I GET JIM'S POINT. BUT BUT WHAT WILL HAVE TO DO, JIM, WE PROBABLY CAN'T DO THIS TONIGHT. YOU WITH ME ON THAT CONCEPT? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, WE THIS IS NO HURRY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AND I DON'T OBJECT. AND WITH THAT AS WELL, I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THE UDC PROCESS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TO FIGURE OUT AND MOVE WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. AND SO AGAIN, CLEANUP TAKES TIME. I DON'T EXPECT ANY OF IT TO BE OVERNIGHT. MY BIGGER CONCERN IS GETTING THE ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY ON THE LINKS NOT PUSHED THROUGH. I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE RUSHING IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HURT, LIKE YOU SAID, TO HAVE IT IN TWO PLACES. AND SO MY ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION, THIS EXTREMELY LONG MOTION, DIRECT STAFF TO PUT THIS SECTION IN INTO THE EXHIBIT, AND THAT AT LEAST COVERS THAT ISSUE. WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE REST. I I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE MOTION. I MEAN, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST REDUNDANCY THERE. YEAH, I SEE IT DOWN THE ROAD. WHEN IT'S IN MORE IN ONE PLACE, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR NOW. YOU DO THIS PROCESS AND ALL THAT. I'M NOT NO NO BIG DEAL. I WITHDRAW MY COMMENT. SO I THINK WE'RE ON TO

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GOOD. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OVER AND OVER. AND THE GOT TO YOUR RIGHT HAS TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CALLS. YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THAT SECTION AND TWO WHERE IT SAYS SIX MONTH INCREMENTS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF UP TO 36 MONTHS, WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING IS YOU'RE JUST NEEDING TO TRANSPOSE THAT INTO ON 2.8 ON PAGE 35 UNDER WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT DURATION. YES. OKAY. AND THAT AND THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. OKAY. I'M WORKING ON THAT AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT DAVE WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS, WAS LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO MOVE.

NO, IT'S WE'RE ALL GOOD. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE WORK WITH JORDAN ON THIS, GO TO PAGE 36. SECTION.

THE BLUE LINE. YOU CAN GET BEYOND 36 MONTHS, WHICH YOU GOT TO SAY HI TO US. PAGE 36.

AMANDA, WAS THAT YOUR POINT? 35? MY POINT WAS ACTUALLY 35. EXCUSE ME. SORRY, WAS 35, RIGHT? WAS ON 35 UNDER 2.8 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PERMIT TYPE DURATION. SO EXTENSIONS I BELIEVE WOULD FALL UNDER THAT. AND THEN 2.9 ALSO FOR FOR THAT, WHERE IT GOES FROM SIX MONTHS UP TO 36 MONTHS, BUT SIX MONTH INCREMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE LIKED. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE NEAT DEALS TO ME ABOUT HAVING A MANUAL. THE ORDINANCE GOES WITH THIS PHRASE GOES WITHOUT SAYING. BUT YOU HAD THAT PHRASE IN A DOCUMENT THAT IS USED BY ALL THE CONTRACTORS THAT HELPS THEM. ONE, TWO THE OUR CODE IS VERY COMPLICATED, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OPTION PAST A CERTAIN POINT WITHOUT DIGGING THROUGH THE CODE. AND SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JOE SCHMOS GUIDE, HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, GREAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PLAN. I HAVE A PATH. AND SO THAT'S THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T READ CODES LIKE OURS EVERY DAY. AS LONG AS THIS GUY IS OKAY BECAUSE HE DOES BUILDING INSPECTIONS. SO YEAH, THIS IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. A LOT OF IT WAS ALREADY BUILT. THE PERMITS, MOST I MIGHT SAY ABOUT PERMITS IS MAKE SURE THEY HAD A PERMIT WHEN THEY DID THIS. YEAH. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD PERMIT. JORDAN. YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH EXHIBIT B? YES. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

JUST ONE THING I NOTICED BUILDING OFFICIAL IS IN HERE MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT IT'S NOT DEFINED. OUR CODE. PAGE TEN. IT'S NOT OKAY. OUR CODE WILL DEFINE IT AND OUR CODE DOES DEFINE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO AGAIN NOT SURE IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS. IT GENERALLY WALKS YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, HOW THINGS WILL APPLY, THE AMENDMENTS TO WHAT'S EXCLUDED. AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH. WE HAVE ADOPTED SPECIFIC ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, MECHANICAL FUEL STUFF. THOSE ARE STILL IN THERE. THEY'VE JUST BEEN TRANSFERRED AND THEY'RE IN ORDER. SO IT'S VERY MUCH THE SAME. AND THEN OUR LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA, THOSE ARE SET IN IRC, IBC, ALL THE I SEE. AND SO WE'VE JUST PUT IT IN ONE PLACE. SO IF YOU'RE

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THAT COULD BE A BIG CATCH. JIM. YEAH IT IS, IT IS. IT SHOULD BE A 1 TO 1 MATCH. YEAH. OKAY.

WHAT ARE WE MISSING? SO ON PAGE 36 YOU'RE MISSING. I'M C IPC. IFGC SORRY, ISPSC AND NEC. NO, AGAIN, A PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE SAME DATA IN TWO PLACES. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S 3.1. NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ADOPTED CODES IN THE CODE. CODE. YEAH. BUT AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE USE BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THE. THE EXHIBIT IS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MANUAL. AND SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO BUILD, THEY GET THIS BOOK THAT SAYS HOW THEY DO STUFF AND THEY CAN FLIP TO IT AND IT WON'T HAVE THE LIST. BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THE ADOPTED CODES CODIFIED. AND SO IT'S AGAIN, IT'S JUST IN TWO DIFFERENT SPACES. YEAH. WHAT PARDON ME. JIM, GIVE ME A SECOND. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON PAGE 36 IN 3 POINT ONE, IT'S THE BASIC BUILDING CODES. NOW THAT AND THEN A BUNCH OF. 3.106 ON PAGE 21 IS WHAT I CALL A TRADES PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL.

SO IT'S PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL ADDRESS SOMEWHERE ELSE. PLUMBING CODE. WELL YES, THEY ARE YOUR LOCAL AMENDMENTS. NEVER MIND. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME. THE SAME LIST. YEAH. WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE AMENDMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLICATED MOTION. SO. IS THERE A MOTION TO HAVE THE SAME LIST THAT'S ON PAGE 21? ON PAGE 36, UNDER 3.1. I MAKE THAT MOTION SECOND. SO MOTION AND SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. BIG CATCH JIM. THANKS. JIM. DAVE. JIM DROVE US BACK 20 PAGES. I'M. THAT'S WHAT

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NUMBER I. AND IF I'M READING IT WRONG, JUST STRAIGHTEN ME OUT. SO WE WERE DISCUSSING THE WILD, THE WILD LIFE URBAN. WE ARE NOT ADOPTING THAT. I THINK THE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO IT. AND SO THIS FOR THE FIRE ACCESS AND SUPPLY, THE FIRE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE FIRE OFFICIAL, HAS THESE ABILITIES. IT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH BUILDING MATERIALS. IT IS. IT'S IN THE CODE AS IT IS NOW. IT'S MORE SO TO DO WITH YOUR HYDRANT SPACING, YOUR CUL DE SAC WIDTH, YOUR. SO THIS PIECE IS TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS, RIGHT? AND I THINK WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS IF TRAVIS COUNTY OR AUSTIN CAME UP WITH SOME NEW FIRE CODE THAT THEY WANTED TO ADOPT, ARE WE GOING TO GET STUCK DRAGGING THAT IN AND FORCED TO ADHERE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING? BECAUSE THE WAY I'M READING THIS, WHICH SECTION I'M ON, I'M ON SHEET 23, WHICH SAYS THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL MAY ESTABLISH TECHNICAL CRITERIA. OH, AND THEN YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN TO, I GUESS, TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION METHODS. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF DEALING WITH THE SAME THING WE TALKED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. IF I'M READING IT WRONG, LET ME KNOW. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY ELSE IS NEW FIRE CODE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IT DOESN'T GET PUT IN PLACE FOR US WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO FOLLOW SOMEBODY ELSE'S. NO. AND SO THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS AND SO THEY DON'T INTERACT. OKAY. SO ONE IS REGARDING FIRE CODE. IT'S FIRE APPARATUSES. IT'S YOUR HOSE. LAY YOUR HYDRANT SPACING, ALL OF THAT JAZZ. AND THEN I IS SPEAKING MORE IN TERMS OF GENERAL MATERIALS. THEY, THEY DON'T INTERACT. IT'S NOT UP TO THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THE BUILDING MATERIAL STUFF. IT'S YOUR BUTTON ON. SO WE CAN'T SEE YOU. NOT WE CAN'T WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU EITHER. SO START OVER. SO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE THAT WE'RE REFERENCING IN TWO PLACES. NOW, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION BUILDING MATERIALS. NO. OKAY. WELL, TO AN EXTENT IT DOES WHEN YOU GO INTO COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MATERIALS. IT'S YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPRINKLERS. IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIREWALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS. UNDERSTOOD. NOW I'M GETTING. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER THREE. AND THE AMENDMENTS. YES, MA'AM.

I JUST HAVE ONE LITTLE NITPICKY THING. CITY ENGINEER ON PAGE 11, THE DEFINITION. IT JUST SAYS A PERSON OR ENTITY SO QUALIFIED ACCORDING TO STATE REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED SERVICES. BUT IF IT SAYS CITY ENGINEER, DOES THAT MEAN IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EMPLOYED BY THE CITY? NO. SO A LOT LIKE OUR ATTORNEY, WHEN WE REFERENCE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IT'S WHO WE APPOINT TO BE THAT POSITION. RIGHT. AND SO WE DID THE RFQ FOR ENGINEERS. ANYBODY ON THAT LIST IS CONSIDERED A CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED CONTRACT MAKING THEM A REVIEW AUTHORITY. OKAY. YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A RECESS SO WE CAN FORMULATE A MOTION.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I THINK WE'RE THROUGH WITH THAT ONE. MAYBE NOT. THANK YOU. JORDAN. STUFF WILL COME BACK.

[IV.2. Consider, discuss and take action of the Commission's annual report to the City Council.]

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[IV.3. Consider, discuss, and take action on the next steps for the Unsafe Building Reports.]

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO LET OUR HEAD HONCHO OVER HERE MAKE THIS REPORT. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS TODAY WE CAN'T NECESSARILY TAKE ACTION. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME INFORMATION WE'D HAVE TO GET LEGAL INVOLVED TO TO START SOME OF THESE PROCESSES. AND SO PART OF THIS, ASIDE FROM GOING THROUGH THE REPORTS AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING, IS GETTING MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE REPORTS, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON TRACK WITH WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO SEE AS A BOARD. AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MONEY AS WELL THAT GOES INTO THIS. AND SO I'M GOING TO LET OUR OUR INSPECTOR TAKE OVER.

MR. SMALL, WHAT PER REQUEST, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PACKET, I NUMBERED THEM ACCORDING TO.

IMPORTANCE OF WHAT IS THE MOST LIABLE AND WHAT IS THE LEAST. SO IF YOU GO THROUGH IT, YOU'LL SEE LIKE REPORT P1A, THAT WOULD BE THE PROBABLY THE MOST EGREGIOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND THEN LESS AND LESS AND LESS, I DID PUT THROUGH IT. AS MUCH AS AS MUCH AS I COULD POSSIBLY FIND ABOUT THE PROPERTIES I WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET. WE REDACTED SOME OF IT FOR, FOR Y'ALL. I ALSO PUT. I'M LOOKING RIGHT NOW FOR LIENS. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE LIENS ON TITLES ON ALL THE PROPERTIES YET, BUT THOSE ARE BEING DONE.

HISTORICAL CODE. IF YOU LOOK IN THERE, I ALSO PUT HISTORICAL CODE, COMPLIANCE, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, HOW THE HOW THEY ARE, HOW THEY HAVE BEEN OBSERVED AS UNSAFE. AND THEN THE APPLICABLE CITY CODE VIOLATIONS, ALSO THE FEDERAL AUTHORITY AND THEN WHAT STAFF FOUND AND WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS. AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. DAVE. DAVE, FIRST, I THINK THIS LOOKS FANTASTIC. IT SHOWS A LOT OF WORK THAT ANSWERS MOST EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. IT HELPED US GET TO WHAT WE DID A LITTLE BIT AGO WITH THE LIENS AND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. SO IT TO ME, IT'S IT'S FANTASTIC. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD MAKE IT BETTER FOR ME. AND MAYBE WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR IN THIS ONE. I SEE IN SPOTS WHERE IT SAYS DATE TO INSERT. WHEN WE GET THESE ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF US AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM, WILL WE HAVE THE DATES FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS WHEN COLD, WHEN CONTACT IS MADE, HOW MANY EACH ATTEMPT? BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRST ONE ON A HISTORICAL CODE, COMPLIANCE WITH THIS IS DATE TO INSERT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE, WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO SEE, PER THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO I CAN WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN FRONT. SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING ADDRESSES TO GO LOOK AT PROPERTIES. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING NAMES TO GO LOOK AT, BUT WILL WE BE GETTING DATES? WHO, IF A PERMIT WAS PULLED, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE CONTACTED? THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DATES ON, BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, IS GOING TO DICTATE HOW BIG A HANDLE WE'RE SWINGING. SO THERE WILL BE. AND THEN AND PART OF THIS IS MY IN MY ATTEMPT TO STANDARDIZE REPORTING, I. SOME HAVE MORE LINES THAN THEY NEED, SOME HAVE MORE ITEMS THAN THEY NEED. AND SO WE'LL PARSE IT DOWN AS WE DO MORE DIGGING. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE ONLY PAPER COPIES. SOME HAVE, YOU KNOW, NGO FILES.

AND SO THERE WE'RE STILL DIGGING. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I SAY TODAY WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE FILLED IN AS WE GET REPORTS BACK. WE'LL START INCLUDING THAT AS WELL. AND THEN ON OUR SIDE, ALL OF THIS STUFF IS DOCUMENTED IN FOLDERS PER PROJECT. AND SO WE'RE BUILDING THAT CASE. AND IN THEORY, IF WE CHOOSE TO TO MOVE ON ANY OF THESE, WE TAKE THAT WHOLE PACKAGE AND JUST SEND IT TO OUR ATTORNEY AND HE WILL HANDLE EVERYTHING ELSE AT THAT POINT.

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AND IN HERE TWICE. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S THE THEIR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL ARE. SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE LOTS. THANK YOU. AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE ACTIONS AS WELL. IF ANYTHING IS IS DONE. IF YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT PROCESSING SOME OF THIS STUFF THROUGH CODE VIOLATIONS AND A MUNICIPAL COURT. SO. THERE A LOT OF THESE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE CODE PROCESS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THOSE ARE ALSO SOME OF THE RECORDS WE'RE TRYING TO GET. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, CODE WAS WITH PD THAN IT WAS WITH DS AND IT WAS WITH PD. NOW IT'S WITH DS. AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE TRACKING DOWN ALL OF THOSE THINGS. QUITE A FEW OF THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT, WE'VE NOTICED WERE RETURNED WITHOUT EVER BEING DELIVERED. AND SO YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEBODY APPEAR IF WE CAN'T SEND THEM A LETTER.

IT GETS REALLY DIFFICULT AND REALLY COMPLICATED AT THAT POINT. IT'S NOT THE CASE FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT IT IS THE CASE FOR SOME OF THEM. AND SO THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT AS WELL. IF WE TRY TO MAKE CONTACT, IF IT IF YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH IT OR NOT, HISTORICALLY, I THINK MOST OF THE ONES ON OUR LIST CONTACT HAS BEEN TRIED TO GET MADE AND THEY'RE WE JUST COULDN'T GET THROUGH. AND SO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS LIMITED IN THEIR ABILITY TO, TO PUSH IT ANY MORE FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD COME IN. OKAY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT AT A HYPOTHETICAL, BUT THAT'S SOMEWHAT HYPOTHETICAL. PAGE 65.

IS TWO PROPERTIES, TWO PROPERTIES. THESE THIS BASICALLY ABANDONED. IS THIS ACTUALLY. AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT'S ACTUALLY UNSAFE. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT AND ABANDONED, WHICH IS A CODE VIOLATION, AS THEY POINTED OUT IN MULTIPLE PLACES. SHOOT, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M HEADED, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT FOLLOWING. OH, AND SO IF I, I THINK ANY OPEN, HALF DONE CONSTRUCTION SITE CAN POSE A POTENTIAL UNSAFE BUILDING ISSUE. WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE 20FT, 20 FOOT HOLES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE STILTS THAT NEVER GOT FILLED. AND SO IF YOU'RE WALKING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE A POST HOLE SIZE 20 FOOT HOLE, RIGHT? AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT ARE WE CONSIDERING IT AN UNSAFE BUILDING? YES, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN TAGGED HAS UNSAFE THINGS ON SITE. IT'S JUST HOW AND WHEN SOMEBODY WILL GET HURT. OKAY. IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, I THINK A PROCESS, QUICK KIND OF QUESTION ON PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. ALL THESE HAVE BEEN YEARS. AND, AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT IT SINCE 2024. LOOKS TO ME LIKE THIS BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION REPORT WAS UNSAFE. BUILDINGS PROCESS IS BROKEN. LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING FIXED. THAT'S MY MY THOUGHT. FOR A BILL FOR A PLACE LIKE THIS. YOU'RE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN WHAT HAS HAPPENED, BUT SOME OF YOUR RESEARCH SHOWS LAST YEAR. SO DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO ISSUE NEW VIOLATION NOTICES TO THESE FOLKS OR WHAT? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE THE ORIGINAL ACTION DONE. AND SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE ISSUED A LETTER AND IT CAME BACK RETURN TO SENDER AND WE GO ON T CAT AND THE PROPERTY HASN'T SOLD, I'M NEVER GONNA FIND THE SENDER. BUT IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, EITHER THE PROPERTY SOLD OR MAYBE WE JUST DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM THEM AND NOBODY FOLLOWED UP. THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE'LL UPDATE THESE, THESE ACCORDINGLY AS WE DO THAT STUFF. BUT I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT WE GOT TO TAKE ACTION ON IT IN SOME WAY. YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO JUST TRYING THE MUNICIPAL COURT?

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OKAY. ARE SOME OF THESE FOLKS STILL THAT OWN THE PROPERTY OR STARTED THE BUILDING STILL ACTIVE? I'M IN TOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IN PAGE 65. I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OWNERS OR NOT THE OWNERS. EXCUSE ME. I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEIR PERMIT EXPEDITER, WHO IS TRYING TO RESTART THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO I HAVE ALREADY INFORMED THEM THAT THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNSAFE. IT'S ABANDONED AND NEEDS TO BE EITHER EITHER RECTIFIED OR HAS A FENCE PUT UP AROUND IT IMMEDIATELY. SO WE ARE WE'RE WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT, GET IT TAKEN CARE OF IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO WHERE IT'S JUST NOT UNSAFE FOR THE CITY. I HAD A QUESTION. SURE. YES, MA'AM. I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU'RE ABLE, IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY FOR THE PERMITTING, I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN VERIFIED THAT THEY'VE EVEN MADE CONTACT TO DO ANY PERMITTING? HE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT THEY CONTACT. SO THEY ACTUALLY ARE TRYING TO GET PERMITS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ON 60 PAGE 65, THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO RESTART THIS JOB. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THIS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN TOWN? MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW, I HAVEN'T DUG THAT DEEP INTO IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES. YES, MA'AM. IF I IF I'M OUT OF LINE IN ANY WAY, JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BUT ARE THEY ARE THEY IN ARREARS TO THE CITY FOR OTHER THINGS? I MEAN, IF WE'VE GIVEN THEM CODE VIOLATIONS BEFORE AND IF, IF WE HAVE NOT PROCESSED THEM THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL COURT, HAVE WE ARE I MEAN, ARE THEY ON DUE TO US? AND IF WE SHOULD BE ISSUING THEM PERMITS AT ALL AT THIS POINT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT. AND SO THEY CAN GO BUY WHATEVER THEY WANT AND BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT, WHEREVER THEY WANT, BECAUSE OUR CODE DOESN'T STIPULATE THAT WE TRACK THAT DOWN. THAT'S YOU WENT TO A PLACE THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT.

YOU CAN TAKE THEIR LICENSE OR REGISTRATION, THEIR REGISTRATION, BUT TO IF THEY DON'T HAVE. AND THIS IS PART OF THE ISSUE HISTORICALLY, I CAN'T I CAN'T GUARANTEE EVERY PROJECT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE TO MY TEN YEAR. YES, WE HAVE DOCUMENTATIONS, WE HAVE LISTS, WE HAVE THAT STUFF. BUT IF WE CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY'VE HAD THREE MAJOR VIOLATIONS, WE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT. AND SO IN THEORY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME IN TO RENEW. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THREE MAJOR VIOLATIONS, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. WE HAVE NOTHING TO HOLD THEM TO. ARE THE TAXES IN ARREARS ON ALL THESE PROPERTIES WHERE NOBODY'S PAYING TAXES? OR WE CAN LOOK THAT UP, YOU KNOW, WE CAN. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PAID YOUR TAXES. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A PERMIT. AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S A PICKLE. THEY'VE HAD SOMETHING. DAVE. UNDERSTANDING HOW COMPLICATED THIS PROCESS IS BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOVES AND MOST OF THAT, OR I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF IT IS MONEY DRIVEN, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT OURSELVES. IF WE HAVE A PROPERTY WHERE IT'S MORE CLEANUP, AND IF YOU HAD A SALVAGE COMPANY THAT WANTS THAT MATERIALS AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND TAKE IT WITHOUT COSTING THE CITY A NICKEL, COULD THOSE PROJECTS BE EXPEDITED AND NOT GO THROUGH A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH? SO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT IS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. SO TYPICALLY, AND JUST I'M GOING TO SAY IT UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME SO THAT WE CAN START TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TAKES TIME. IT'S NOT AN OVERNIGHT THING.

AND SO IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO LEGALLY DO THE WORK, YES. AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER WE DO, WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE'VE ISSUED THE WARNINGS, WE'VE ISSUED THE NOTICES, WE'VE WE'VE DONE ALL OF THAT WE'VE DOCUMENTED. BUT THAT TAKES TIME. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IS A REGISTERED LIST OF CONTRACT SALVAGE PEOPLE WHO AT ANY POINT IN TIME, I CAN CALL AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE PICKY. I HAVE X, Y, AND Z. EITHER YOU GET IT OR THE NEXT GUY IN LINE IS GOING TO GET IT, AND I DON'T.

GREAT POINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST DON'T KNOW

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I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I ALSO DON'T SPEND MONEY WE CAN'T GET BACK. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I JUST I'D HAVE TO ASK BRAD. I'M NOT OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I'VE SEEN WHERE. WELL, THAT MORE CITIES WILL GO OUT AND ASK FOR A BID PER BASICALLY BASED ON PER POUND, AND THEY'LL GET RFQS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE IT TO FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. ONCE THE ADDRESS IS GIVEN TO THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL COME AND CLEAN IT, SALVAGE IT, SELL WHAT THEY CAN. BUT YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ONCE WE PASS THAT POINT. BUT YES, BRAD AS WELL. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THOSE VENDORS, BY THE WAY, RIGHT NOW.

WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT OUT IN OUR WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT OUT A BID FOR THAT AND THEN HAVE THEM SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO PER POUND OR PER. AND ALSO BASED OFF OF TOPOGRAPHY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BROKEN DOWN WITH A WELDER OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, WHICH AGAIN, TOTALLY AN OPTION WE CAN GET AHEAD OF THAT. I MEAN, WE CAN RELEASE RFQS FOR ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE EVER GOING TO USE THE SERVICE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH. I THINK IT WITH THE MONEY CONVERSATION, AS I MENTIONED, I THINK IT'S WORTH COMING TO COUNCIL NOT ONLY WITH THE ASK FOR FUNDS, BUT ALSO WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS. I THINK IT'S A HAPPY COMPROMISE. YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT A LITTLE BIT, JORDAN, BECAUSE I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. YOUR POINT REGARDING BUILDING WHAT BUILDING AND STANDARDS CAN DO VERSUS WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT CAN TAKE SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, SOMETIMES EVEN LONGER WHEN THESE THINGS ARE GOING AND, AND THEY CAN APPEAL IT, THEY CAN APPEAL IT, THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT AND THEN COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THEN SIX WEEKS LATER, THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AGAIN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO VERSUS WHAT CODE COMPLIANCE AND, AND WHAT FRANK WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, QUESTION AND WHAT, WHAT REALLY POWER DIFFERENCE AND HOW THAT MAKES, MAKES THE BUILDING STANDARDS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE POWER THAT WAY.

SO THE WAY THAT OUR CODE IS ESTABLISHED AND THE WAY THAT STATE LAW WORKS, THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION AS FORMED, HAS THE ABILITY TO NOT ONLY CONDEMN, BUT ALSO ORDER CERTAIN THINGS TO BE DONE ON PROPERTIES. AS LONG AS WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND PROVED UP THAT THAT THINGS AREN'T OKAY, THEY ISSUE ESSENTIALLY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL IT QUASI JUDICIAL, BUT IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, GET THIS DONE OR WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS PERIOD, END ALL, BE ALL. THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING INVOLVED. THERE'S NEWSPAPER NOTICES. I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE THING THAT GOES INTO IT. AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE CAN WE AS CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE TO. IT'S A LONG AND SLOW PROCESS. WE HAVE TO BEND A LITTLE BIT IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND IF THEY MAKE PROGRESS, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, FULL FORCE BECAUSE A JUDGE IS GOING TO SAY, WELL, THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT AS FAST AS WE WANT IT. AND SO AN ORDER FROM BSC. THAT'S IT. AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL THE RIGAMAROLE, IT'S DONE AND WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH WORK STARTING THE NEXT DAY, ESSENTIALLY. AND JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR RIGAMAROLE MEANS THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD PUBLIC NOTICE, PATIENTS, MAIL OUTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER. THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THEIR CHANCE AT A HEARING. THEY'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, MORE THAN ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND GIVE THEIR CASE. OKAY. AND SO ESSENTIALLY AN ORDER FROM PSC IS FINAL. IT'S DONE. WHATEVER THE BS ORDERS, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND SO IT'S AVAILABLE WITH CAVEATS. BUT THAT THAT'S IT. THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING MINUS THE COULD GO TO COUNCIL. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST A HIGHER. IT'S A. I DON'T WANT TO SAY FASTER BECAUSE THAT'S NONE OF THIS IS FAST. BUT IT THERE'S FINALITY TO IT. MORE EXPEDITED.

MAYBE THE IF YOU MADE NOTICE TOMORROW OF A BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION HEARING TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY, YOU WITH ME? LET'S SAY YOUR NUMBER ONE PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. DO YOU. SEVERAL QUESTIONS. IT'S ASKS YOU HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? DO YOU HAVE THE STANDARD FORM NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM LEGAL THAT THEY TOLD US AT THE

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BRAD TOLD THE COUNCIL THAT HE HAD. YEAH, HE HAS A BUNCH OF TEMPLATES THAT WE'VE PULLED FOR STUFF. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY STANDARD FORMS. SO IT'S BY STATE LAW. AND OUR ORDINANCE FOLLOWS THE STATE LAW. IT'S STANDARD FORM. IT'S THAT STATE LAW. AND YOU PLUG IN SPECIFIC STUFF. SO YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE PHYSICALLY. I COULD GET THEM BY TOMORROW AT NOON. ALL RIGHT.

AND SO IF YOU MADE NOTICE THIS WEEK FOR A TO THE PEOPLE AT INTEREST THAT THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION IS GOING TO CONSIDER THE CONDEMNATION OF P1A. YOU WITH ME? GIVEN THE RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE. COULD THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THAT NEXT MONTH? SO NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE GOTTEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION BACK AS FAR AS LIKE I KNOW THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LIEN REPORTS BEING VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ONE WE'VE GOTTEN IT BACK OR NOT YET, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE CAUSE TO DO IT. I THINK LEGAL NOTICE ON STUFF LIKE THIS IS 30 OR 45 DAYS. AND SO IT MAY NOT BE AUGUST, IT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER, BUT TWO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS WHEN WE ORDER CONDEMNATION, WE HAVE TO DO IT AT THE COST THAT IT TAKES TO DO IT. AND I DON'T KNOW. SO WE'RE GEARING UP FOR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL AT OUR MEETING TOMORROW. AND THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION. IF THERE IS SUPPORT, BECAUSE THIS COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $50,000 TO HALF $1 MILLION, AND WE CAN'T IT HAS TO GO OUT TO BID. WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO IF THERE'S AN UNWILLINGNESS TO PROCEED WITH THE EXECUTION OF THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, I. YES, MA'AM. I CAN'T SPEAK ON THE COUNCIL'S BEHALF BECAUSE I AM JUST THE LIAISON ON THIS ONE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN APPROACHED BY NUMEROUS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE BLIGHT OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THE JOKE OF LAGO VISTA, BEAUTIFUL IS NOT KEEPING LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL. AND THEY'RE NOT SAYING THERE'S TOO MANY VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS AND NOT ENOUGH BEING DONE BY THE CITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE VERY HARD PRESSED NOT TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THIS, TO CLEAN IT UP. AND OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD BE VERY THRILLED TO KNOW THAT, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE SOME OF THIS PROPERTY BY EMINENT DOMAIN OR SEIZURE IF WE HAVE TO PUT A LIEN AGAINST IT.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS. EACH EACH OF THESE THINGS HAVE THEIR OWN MERIT. BUT IN GENERAL, KEEPING THE CITY CLEANED UP AND HAZARD FREE FOR OUR KIDS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY'RE COMING THROUGH HERE WITH THESE E-BIKES AND JUST TRAILING ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW AND RUNNING AROUND AND OF COURSE, WILDLIFE HAZARDS AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD FIND TOO MANY PEOPLE PUSHING BACK ON, ON GIVING MONEY TOWARDS THIS. DAVE. BEING IN CONSTRUCTION MYSELF, BIDS ARE FREE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T GET 3 OR 4 CONTRACTORS LINED UP RIGHT NOW AND SEND THEM TO EVERY ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES AND GET BIDS SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THESE, YOU'VE GOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN MIND AND YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF FIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH BUDGETS OR ANYTHING ELSE. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T START GETTING THOSE NUMBERS EARLY, SINCE IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO DO IT, CAN WE START GETTING THOSE NUMBERS IN SOONER THAN LATER? NO. SO MUNICIPAL PURCHASING LAW SAYS ANYTHING AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT HAS TO BE BASICALLY A SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED BID. WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF IT'S OVER THAT AMOUNT UNTIL WE DID A BID. AND SO WE CAN'T. IF WE DO IT IN ADVANCE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY VIOLATING PURCHASING LAW IN ADVANCE OF IT BEING AN ACTUAL BIDDED PROJECT. SO, I MEAN, IF IF THERE'S A CONTRACTOR WHO, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS ARE CONTRACTORS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET A BEST GUESS FROM THEM. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ANYTHING, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER 50, IF NOT 25. SO IT IT HAS TO BE SIGNED, SEALED. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO

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IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, THERE MAY BE SOME BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN ACQUIRING LOTS FOR NOTHING.

SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TAX SALE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GET NOTICES ON TAX SALES ANYMORE. I, I DON'T IT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE. I HAVE ACCESS TO IT. YEP. SO I HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. THEY'RE GREAT. I YOU CAN GO AND DO IT. GET ON A TAX SALE, PUT $500 DOWN AND THEN SETTLE THE TAXES FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.

THAT'S WHAT I DO ON THE SIDE. SO AND BUT I, I MEAN, MY, MY GRANDPARENTS TAUGHT ME, YOU

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BUT THAT'S I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT, BY THE WAY. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. I'M AN INVESTOR, BUT THAT THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CITY COULD SIT ON IT FOR YEARS AS WELL. BUT THE GOOD THING IS, IS WHEN IT'S CITY OWNED, WE GET A TAX BREAK. SO. RIGHT. WELL, WHAT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO LONG WITH THIS, BUT AMANDA, IN THE PAST THE CITY PICKED UP AT TAX SALES PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE AIRPORT CLEAR ZONE. THAT ULTIMATELY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO BE BOUGHT. AND WE GOT THEM. SO THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT THE CITY WANT TO MAY WANT TO PICK UP TO GET TO GET IN THE TAX SALE BUSINESS. OKAY. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO BUILDING AND ABANDONED STRUCTURES. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEND TO US NEXT MONTH? SO I THINK MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE COLLECTIVELY AS A WHOLE, ASK OUR LIAISON TO BRING UP THE MONIES ISSUE AT COUNCIL TOMORROW AND JUST GET NOT A COMMITMENT. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET ON THE BUDGET YEAR, BUT JUST GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT IT'S WORTH PROCEEDING. WE'LL KNOW BY TOMORROW NIGHT. SO IT'S NOT A DELAY IN PROCESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF EVEN SOFT CONSENSUS, WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE FIRST AT A VERY MINIMUM FIRST PRIORITY. THE THERE'S TWO IN PRIORITY ONE. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED WITH WE'LL GET WITH BRAD AND WE'LL START DRAFTING WHAT WE NEED TO DRAFT AND FINISHING OUT THE REPORTS. AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COST TO GET THOSE TWO? LET ME SEE THE FIRST ONE. THAT'S THE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. AND JORDAN, I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. OKAY, SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. SO ON THE THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THAT BURNOUT, THE BIGGEST THING IS. SO WHEN IT'S A BURNOUT, IT'S NOT JUST STANDARD DUMPSTER ROLL AWAY. YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE. AND SO I CAN GET SOME KIND OF AN ESTIMATE. AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING SOLID, BUT JUST AS A FOREWARNING, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FORM OF MITIGATION AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN AND CLEAN OFF. AND SO. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE PASSED 250,000 WORK FOR YOU. I WOULD HOPEFULLY COME IN UNDER THAT. THERE'S NOT MUCH TO PRESERVE. CASH FLOW 500. COULD YOU COULD YOU GET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 250 FOR BOTH? YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? YES, MA'AM. I COULD BUY A DOZER FOR THAT AND DO IT JUST I THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S A VERY HIGH NUMBER THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR FOR THAT, FOR THOSE TWO. BUT SO I WOULD ASK FOR 250 AND WE'LL SEE HOW MANY WE CAN GET DONE FOR. 250 I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LOCAL CONTRACTORS WHO MAY BE WILLING TO UNDERBID JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLEANUP. AT THIS POINT, I KNOW SEVERAL, AND SO IT MAY BE WORTH IT TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE WANT AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN GET DONE WITH THAT. AND WHEN WE HIT THAT, WE'RE DONE AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT NEXT FISCAL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? YEAH. THE MOTION WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE CITY THE MOTION FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF $250,000 TO BEGIN TO BEGIN TO DEAL WITH UNSAFE AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES IN THEIR NEXT BUDGET. AND THE BUDGET WOULD BE FOR THE NEXT

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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE YOUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SPENT RATHER THAN GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT ALL THE AMENDMENTS MADE OR REQUESTS MADE AFTER THAT. I WILL SAY THAT, YES, OUR BUDGET STARTS OCTOBER 1ST. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE GET AN APPROVAL FROM OUR GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM FROM CITY COUNCIL, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET THE BALL ROLLING 30, 45 DAYS FOR A SEPTEMBER HEARING FOR CONDEMNATION. AND THEN WE COULD DO THE ALL, THEN WE COULD START DOING THE BIDS.

AND SO WHEN WHEN OCTOBER ROLLS AROUND, THEN WE COULD ACTUALLY YOU'D HAVE THAT TIMELINE. SO Y'ALL ARE ON TRACK. WELL, MY QUESTION IS, IF WE IF WE SUGGEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PUT $250,000 IN THEIR BUDGET, WE COULD BE DONE WITH CONDEMNATIONS OCTOBER 1ST, BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE TAKES 250 AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR UNLESS I'M.

UNLESS I'M WRONG, WE WOULDN'T. WE DO THAT. SHAME ON US. WE SHOULD GO DO FIVE PROPERTIES FOR THAT ONE. NOT TOUCH THE DAMN THINGS BECAUSE THE LAND IS ONLY WORTH 50,000. SO COLLECTIVELY WE GOT TO DO BETTER THAN WE SPENT TWO $50,000. AND THAT MEANS WE MAKE THAT A VOLUNTEER DAY WITH SHOVELS. WE FIGURE IT OUT. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE. WELL, THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS THE FIRST ONE IS THE FIRST ONE IS THE BURNED OUT TRAILER, WHICH THE MITIGATION OF OF THE CONTAMINANTS. BUT I THINK D IS A FOURPLEX THAT BURNED. I MEAN, YOU COULD TAKE YOU COULD TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO TEAR DOWN ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. WELL, AND TO JUST LIKE THE PRIORITY ONE B, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO RESTART. WE HAVE MULTIPLES ONE D, THE IS ALSO TRYING TO RESTART. AND THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH ASKING QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE. AND SO THOSE AREN'T GOING TO BE OUR PRIORITY IF THEY'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS AND TAKE STEPS. AND IF IT'S WE DO ONE AND THEN WE FOCUS ON THE SMALLER THINGS LIKE THE SLABS THAT ARE ALL OVER TOWN, AND WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO BREAK UP SLABS, WHICH I PROMISE YOU, THERE IS A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE WHO WILL TEAR APART SLABS. I MEAN, AND IN ALL HONESTY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SLABS. A BIG SQUARE CHUNK OF CONCRETE SITTING ON A LOT UNLESS SOMEBODY WALKS OVER AND FALLS OFF OF IT OR FALLS INTO IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO FALL DOWN ON ANYBODY. IT'S NOT GOING TO CATCH FIRE. THOSE THOSE CONCERN ME. THOSE. FOR ME, THEY'RE THE LOWEST PRIORITY AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN CLEAR AND THAT'S THE INTENT. BUT IF YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE FIVE ITEMS AND THREE ARE TRYING TO PULL PERMITS AND GET ALL THIS STUFF CORRECTED, LET'S GET TWO AND THEN MOVE ON TO, YOU KNOW, C'S AND D'S THAT OH YEAH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS, THE OTHER 20, AND WE JUST HAVE SLABS AND THERE'S 250 IN THE BUDGET, LET'S GO. OKAY, LET'S TAKE LET'S GET THE SLABS GONE. AND TWO, WE'LL START ON AN RFQ PROCESS TO FIND THOSE CONTRACTORS. I'LL GET WITH BRAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT HAS TO READ AS. BUT IN THEORY, AND AGAIN, WE'RE THANKFULLY AT THE PERFECT TIME TO DO THIS WITH BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AND WITH TIMING AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND SO I THINK IN THEORY, IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT PERFECT AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO HICCUPS WHATSOEVER, COME OCTOBER 1ST, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO START ACTUALLY TEARING STUFF DOWN. RIGHT? MY WHOLE POINT WAS,

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THAT'S YOUR POINT, DAVE. SO. YES, MA'AM, I WOULD CAUTION LOW, BUT I ALSO WOULD SAY THAT YOU COME IN WITH A HIGH NUMBER. YOU'RE GOING TO SCARE ALL OF COUNCIL. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A HAPPY MEDIUM THERE. BUT ALSO MAYBE COME IN WITH 250, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO AS MANY AS WE CAN HERE. AND THEN ONCE WE START, WE MAY COME BACK FROM WE MAY NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS BUDGET LINE ITEM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A HIGH NEED BUILDING OR SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE POSE THAT CAN'T WAIT TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND A DUMP TRUCK. AND I MEAN, IF IF WE'RE MAKING MONEY IN OTHER WAYS, WHEN WE FIGURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING LIENS BACK OR WE'RE DOING WHATEVER, I MEAN, IT COULD BALANCE OUT AT THE END.

YEAH, RIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO GET GOING BECAUSE WE'RE WE WERE ALL SALIVATING WHEN WE SAW THE PACKET. IT'S LIKE WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO GET RID OF SOME OF THESE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO. AND WE'RE DONE IN OCTOBER. YEAH. I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO HEAR ME TALK. NO. SO WITH SOME OF THESE LIKE THE BURNT TRAILER, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AFTER INSURANCE COMPANIES? I THINK. SO THE BUILDERS PEOPLE THAT HAVE STARTED THESE PROJECTS, WHEN THEY START THESE PROJECTS, THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE TO BUILD. THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE. THERE'S NO INSURANCE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN CHASE. SO THEY HAVE INSURANCE. OUR CONTRACTORS ARE REQUIRED TO BE INSURED. OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE SHOULD BE INSURED. THE PROBLEM IS THAT INSURANCE DOESN'T HAVE US AS ESSENTIALLY A BENEFICIARY. AND SO THERE'S NOTHING TO CHASE DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY KICK ROCKS. IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. IT'S THEIR PROBLEM.

AND SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A CHASE THAT WE CAN CAN GET INTO. THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY PAID OUT.

YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. ONE OTHER COMMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT JORDAN'S DONE TOWARDS US AND BUILDING OFFICIALS. AND THE COMMISSION HAS TAKEN UNDER UNDERTAKING RIGHT HERE TO DO THIS. AND I THINK THAT JUST THIS CONVERSATION AND BRINGING IT TOWARDS COUNCIL WILL LIGHT A FIRE UNDER PEOPLE'S YOU KNOW WHAT? AND IF THEY START TO SEE THE THE FIRST AND SECOND ITEMS BEING CLEANED UP AT THE CITY'S TAKING CARE OF IT, IT MIGHT LIGHT A FIRE UNDER SOME OF THE OTHER ONES AT RISK AND FEAR OF LOSING THEIR OWN. THEY DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, YOU START SETTING AN EXAMPLE ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL. 250 OR IF WE DO HAVE TO USE ALL THE 250, WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOUP IT BY LIENS AND FINES. SO BUT I THINK THAT JUST GETTING THIS UNDERWAY IS A BIG STEP FOR FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. ANY IS THERE A MOTION OR NEXT MOTION? I'LL SECOND, JUST WAITING ON OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE MOTIONS. OR ANYTHING, ANY NUMBER THAT Y'ALL WANT. OKAY. WELL, PART OF THIS IS AMANDA. BEAR WITH ME. PART OF THIS IS, I THINK, FUNDAMENTALLY YOUR REPORT. OKAY. AND AND WE CAN BEAT AROUND A NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER. I PICKED TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE NUMBER TO START, BUT.

DAVE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT OUR COUNCIL LIAISON GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND PRESENTS THEM WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING AND OUR REQUEST THAT THEY PUT $250,000 INTO THE BUDGET, WHICH WOULD BECOME ACTIVE IN OCTOBER, SO THAT WE CAN START WORKING TOWARDS CLEANING UP AS MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES AS POSSIBLE. WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH CITY STAFF ON WAYS TO BE ECONOMICAL AND PRODUCTIVE WITHIN $250,000 IS A MOTION I SECOND MOTION A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. CAN WE AMEND IT TO SAY, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST PART OF THE

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SECONDER. OKAY. I'M SECOND. THAT'S GOOD. SENT. AMENDED MOTION ON THE TABLE. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ITEM IS THE JUNE 3RD MINUTES, MR. ROBBINS. YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THIS OUT THERE FOR ANY OF YOU THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING OR WANT TO WATCH IT SEPARATELY. I'M GOING TO POST THIS IN ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION BOARD AS LIKE A LITTLE BIT LAID OUT LINE BY LINE OF HOW Y'ALL WANT IT THAT WAY. WHEN I DISCUSS IT TOMORROW NIGHT AND COUNCIL, THEY'LL HAVE ALREADY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND. AND I WILL ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE A COUPLE OF THESE HIGH PRIORITIES AS AN EXAMPLE AS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING IN. THAT WAY. THEY'VE GOT SOME CONTEXT FOR IT. AND THEY'RE NOT JUST FEELING BLINDSIDED FOR, FOR THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT STRONGER LIAISON REPORT THAN NORMAL, BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT JUST REPORTING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONSENSUS. WELL, IT'S EMOTION. AND SO WHAT'S YOUR REPORTING? I MEAN, IS THE THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER. THE COUNCIL IS DOING BUDGETING TOMORROW. WE'RE DOING A WORKSHOP TO AN EXTENT. I MEAN, IT'S THE FIRST BUDGET WORK SESSION THAT WE'VE HAD. AND SO IT'S IT'S STARTING THE CONVERSATIONS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO. AND DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS. I THINK WE HAVE TO ADOPT A FINAL BUDGET IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER.

AND SO THIS IS THAT THAT PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION. AND THEN I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERY MEETING AFTER, WE'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION. SO I WANT TO CAUTION THAT THIS CANNOT BE A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM. THIS WILL BE ONLY GIVEN UNDER THE REPORT SECTION FOR LIAISON REPORTS. SO I CAN'T EVEN BRING THIS UP UNDER THE WORK SESSION REGARDING BUDGET, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS DOES HAVE A REQUEST, AND IF THEY WANT TO MOVE UP THE LIAISON REPORTS AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN. I'LL ACTUALLY ASK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN I MEAN, I'LL MENTION THAT TO THE MAYOR, SEE IF HE CAN REMOVE THOSE LIAISON REPORTS UP, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GOT BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS. SO NO, NO, IT CAN'T BE. IT CAN'T BE AS A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T AGENDIZED IN ENOUGH TIME. SO THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE JUST A REPORT.

WELL, SO WE HAVE PRELIMINARY BUDGET REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENTS. AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD LIVE IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BUDGET AS A LINE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, FOR DISCUSSION. AND SO AT THAT POINT, IF THERE'S CONSIDERATION, WE COULD. SO EVEN IF IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT FORMALLY AGENDIZED THAT WAY, WE CAN STILL PUT IT ON THERE AS, AS A BROADER CONVERSATION. AND IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE AGENDA PACKET PER SE, BECAUSE IT'LL JUST BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. I WOULD THINK GENERAL THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS. AND THEN BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GENERAL THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS AT THIS FIRST ONE, AND THEN WE WOULD GO BACK AND REFINE, BRING THAT BACK, GENERAL THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS, BRING IT BACK FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND WORK THROUGH IT THAT WAY. YEAH. PART PART OF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FORMAT AND WHEN AND WHERE AND ALL THAT STUFF, THE REPORTING THAT YOU HAVE PUT TOGETHER FOR US, I THINK IS EXCELLENT. AND THAT WOULD NOT HURT THE COUNCIL A BIT FOR THEM TO GET THAT. PLUS, THIS AIN'T ALL YOU'VE GOT DOUBLE DIGIT ABANDONED STUFF. THAT YOUR REPORTING WERE TRYING TO GET AFTER. OKAY, OKAY. AND SO CHAVARRIA, I'LL SEND YOU I'LL SEND YOU A LINK SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. AND CREATE MY OWN PDF. YEAH. IF THERE'S SOME WAY YOU COULD SHORTEN IT UP TO SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IT IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES, WOULD. BUT I SHE'S GOING TO SEND ME A LINK AND WE CAN JUST PUT JUST THESE ON HERE, THESE ONES, AND THEN WE CAN, I CAN, I CAN ATTACH IT TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND THEN I'LL ALSO SEND OUT A KIND OF A BLAST EMAIL SAYING I'VE, YOU KNOW,

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[IV.4. Approval of minutes for June 3rd, 2026.]

[IV.5. Discuss and identify items for future meeting agendas.]

I GUESS THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE PRIORITY LEVELS AND THEN THE THE KEY ATTACHED TO IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP A RUNNING LIST. AND THESE REPORTS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THERE. THEY JUST MAY CHANGE WEEK TO, I GUESS, MONTH TO MONTH, DEPENDING ON WHAT INFORMATION WE DIG UP OR WHAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN. AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE NEXT MONTH THAT'S UNSAFE AND ABANDONED. SOME INDICATION OF WHERE THE COUNCIL IS. AND SO WE'LL MEET NEXT MONTH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? AND DUANE ON THE IN JORDAN AS WELL. IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE AGAIN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ASTERISK RED LINE, WHATEVER. WHAT'S NEW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING AGAIN, TRY TO AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S NEW. WELL, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. MY INTENT IS THAT, AS YOU'LL SEE, A LOT OF THE COLUMNS HAVE A DATE OR DATE OF LAST ACTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS TO KEEP THOSE AS UP TO DATE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT I'LL FIND SOME WAY TO COLOR CODE IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOT. AND THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IF WE'RE COMING BACK TO P1A BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED, WE DON'T NEED THE WHOLE PACKET AGAIN, JUST SOMEHOW LET US KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS, BECAUSE I'M HOPING THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO GET CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BROUGHT US SO MANY, RIGHT? I'D LOVE THAT'S COMPRESSING WHAT YOU'RE SOMEHOW MAKE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, P1A HERE'S A PICTURE BURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, BURNED OUT STRUCTURE AND CAR. THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN DONE. THIS HAS BEEN DONE. OKAY. EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES. BINGO AS A NON EXECUTIVE. SURE. YEAH. I THINK WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I'M SENSING IS I THINK YOU GOT A HANDLE ON THIS IN SOME DETAIL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE LONG. SO IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.

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AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, WE'LL ABSOLUTELY PROVIDE IT. IF IT WARRANTS A SUMMARY, WE'LL PROVIDE IT. BUT IF IT'S HIGH LEVEL, JUST TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TABLE THAT YOU CAN. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE OUR ATTENTION. THIS IS DUANE KUDOS, MAN. THIS IS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING WHEN NEW REPORTS ARE AVAILABLE. DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE FULL NEW REPORT OR DO YOU WANT US TO PUT IT ON THE LIST THAT A REPORT IS READY? AND IF YOU WANT IT, YOU'LL ASK FOR IT. FIRST TIME? EVERYTHING. FIRST TIME. EVERYTHING OKAY? BECAUSE IT'S I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR MOST OF US. I KNEW, I KNOW SEVERAL OF THESE, I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME.

SOME OF THEM I DON'T, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE IN A PART OF TOWN THAT I DON'T GO. BUT I BET YOU WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THEM. BUT NOPE. I. STRAIGHT AHEAD, TWO OF THE.

WE'LL. I'VE SEEN YOU DRIVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR NEXT MONTH. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? MAKE A MOTION. SECOND. I SECOND IT MOTION AND SECOND. FURTHER

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