[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
[II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
[III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]
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AN APPROPRIATE START. LET'S. I'LL NOW BRING COUNCIL BACK IN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE RECONVENE TO TALK ABOUT THESE FOUR ITEMS. BEFORE WE GO INTO THOSE, I WANTED TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY REAL QUICK. DID YOU HAVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT YOU SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC? YES, MAYOR. THERE WERE OPEN THIS UP AGAIN. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY INITIALLY CONDUCTED A PERSONNEL MATTER UNDER 551074 FOR PRESIDING JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT, AND ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WAS INTERVIEWED.
THERE MAY BE ACTION ON THAT SHORTLY. WHEN WHEN Y'ALL GET TO THAT POINT. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION. LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO ROADWAY IMPACT FEES THAT ARE IMPOSED BY THE CITY AND STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THERE THERE WERE ALSO DISCUSSIONS RELATED UNDER 074 TO THE ROLES AND DUTIES OF OF APPOINTED MEMBERS OF, OF BOARDS AND, AND COMMISSIONS AND KIND OF THE SCOPE OF, OF WHAT THOSE DUTIES ARE, GENERALLY SPEAKING. AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME AGENDA ITEMS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS RELATED TO THE, THE ITEM ON ACTION ITEM RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY. AND THERE WERE LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE AGENDA. AND NOTICE FOR THAT THAT WE PROVIDED. AND. I THINK THAT'S IT. UNLESS I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING, I THINK THAT WAS IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL ON ITEM THREE ONE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WERE CONFIDENTIAL. ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR NO ACTION ON ITEM TWO. CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL CONCERNING THE APPOINTMENT, APPOINTMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF AN EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074. PRESIDING JUDGE, WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT AARON A HIGGINBOTHAM AS PRESIDING JUDGE OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA MUNICIPAL COURT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MR. PRINCE? NO, SORRY. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. SIX ZERO. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE, EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND CONGRATULATIONS. I CAN GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY, ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, JUST WAS THERE A START DATE? CLARIFICATION? ARE YOU READY? I'M READY NOW. OKAY, SO I GUESS COUNCIL WHEN YOU WHEN THE RESOLUTION APPOINTING MISS HIGGINBOTHAM IS PRINTED OUT, IF YOU CAN PUT TODAY'S DATE ON FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT RESOLUTION. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. ITEM THREE. ITEM THREE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. TITLE FIVE, SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS TO SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO
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ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING APPLICATION COLLECTION, USE AND SCOPE OF ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. COUNSEL ANY ACTION OR NO ACTION.THANK YOU. ITEM FOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. TITLE FIVE, SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE IN SECTION 551.074 DELIBERATION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT, APPOINTMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, DELIBERATION REGARDING RESPECTIVE DUTIES OF APPOINTED MEMBERS AND COUNSEL REGARDING CITY PERSONNEL. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR? NO ACTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE US AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, A TEXAS FLAG, THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. AND IF YOU PLEASE STAY STANDING, WE'LL HAVE AN INVOCATION FOR MR. CHARLES MURPHY FROM THE CHURCH ON THE HILL. FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS EVERY DAY. DEAR LORD, I ASK BLESSINGS UPON THIS MEETING AND THOSE THAT ARE LEADING THIS CITY, THAT THEY MAKE DECISIONS THAT BRING YOU HONOR AND GLORY, FIRST OF ALL, BUT ALSO THAT ARE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS CITY. I PRAY FOR NOT ONLY THESE THAT ARE LEADING, BUT ALSO, DEAR LORD, FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE NEW JUDGE THAT'S COMING IN, I JUST LIFT THEM UP TO YOU. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WATCH, CARE, AND GIVE THEM HELP AND AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO EVERY DAY. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU ARE DOING EVERY DAY FOR US AND THOSE THAT ARE PART OF THIS CITY. EVERYONE THAT'S HERE TODAY, I PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THEM. DEAR LORD, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US STRENGTH AND COURAGE EVERY DAY IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT WE LEAD OUR CHILDREN AND HELP THEM EVERY DAY IN THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. SO LORD, WE JUST ASK NOW THAT YOU FORGIVE US FOR WHERE WE FAIL YOU AND ALL THESE THINGS, WE ASK IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. ALL. AND I THINK I WOULD EXTEND THOSE PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS TO, TO ALL THE AFFECTED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW, DEALING WITH THE FLOODING THAT'S GOING ON. AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO AND OBVIOUSLY, PRAY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WHO ARE OUT THERE RESPONDING TO WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I'VE ACTUALLY TRAVIS COUNTY ESD ONE HERE IN TOWN HAS SENT SOME OF THEIR FOLKS DOWN TO KERRVILLE. AND IT'S JUST TERRIBLE AT KERRVILLE IS GOING THROUGH THIS AGAIN AFTER JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR. AND THEN FOR THOSE IN THIS AREA, JUST BE PREPARED
[VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
FOR SOME RISING WATER OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS IN LAKE TRAVIS. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX CITIZEN COMMENTS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM ACTING OR DISCUSSING OTHER THAN FACTUAL RESPONSES TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. TO PARTICIPATE IN CITIZEN COMMENTS PORTION OF THE MEETING, YOU MUST SUBMIT A COMPLETED FORM. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING THE MEETING IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, YOU MUST COMPLETE THE FORM AVAILABLE AND PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SO I DO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. I DON'T SEE AS MANY OF THESE CARDS. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A SPECIFIC ITEM, PLEASE GET WITH ROBIN, FILL THAT OUT AND PUT WHICH ITEM YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE I DO HAVE IS I SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME.
I APOLOGIZE ROBERT. DID I BUTCHER THAT. NO THAT WAS PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. AND COUNCIL YOU ALL HAVE AN ENVELOPE HERE WITH A PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT ROBERT SENT ALONG. AND ROBERT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL AND MR. WEST, I'M HERE TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF A PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING AND TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP. THE PROBLEM IS THAT I HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF WILSON AND SANTA CARLO AVENUE, AND IT TENDS TO FLOOD EVERY TIME THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL THE WATER IS DIRECTED ONTO MY PROPERTY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, ALONG WITH A 16 INCH CULVERT THAT TAKES ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET ONTO MY PROPERTY, ALONG WITH WATER COMING OVER THE SURFACE OF THE ROAD. WHEN THE CAPACITY OF THAT CULVERT IS EXCEEDED. AND IT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF OF WATER, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER COMING OVER THE FRONT HALF OF MY PROPERTY, SEVERAL INCHES, AND A PRETTY GOOD FLOW.
WHEN THIS HAPPENS, MY ESTIMATION IS IT'S ABOUT 14 ACRES OF, OF, OF SURFACE WATER THAT'S DIRECTED ONTO MY PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, THAT WILL GET WORSE WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT UPSTREAM AND MORE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, MR.
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WEST AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR OVER 11 MONTHS NOW. WE'VE NOT MADE MUCH PROGRESS. I SUBMITTED A FORMAL NOTICE ON MAY 5TH, FOLLOWED UP SIX WEEKS LATER WITH A SECOND NOTICE, HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE AND WE HAVE NO SOLUTION AS OF YET. SO YOU SEE, YOU HAVE A PACKET THERE. IT INCLUDES A LETTER TO COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE TWO NOTICE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT TO STAFF, AND SOME DIAGRAMS THAT WILL SHOW KIND OF A LAYOUT OF THE LAND. PRETTY EASY TO SEE THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM. IF NOT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME.AND THEN ALSO WHILE I'M UP HERE, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS EXPOSED TO SOME SOME DAMAGES HERE WHEN MY HOUSE IS WHEN IF IT FLOODS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY DAMAGES IN EXCESS OF $100,000. ALSO WITHOUT A FLOOD, PROBABLY DIMINISHED VALUE CLAIM, WHICH I SUSPECT EITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD FAR EXCEED THE COST TO JUST FIX THE PROBLEM. SO I'M JUST ASKING COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION AND DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH ME TO PROPOSE A SOLUTION, AND THEN IMPLEMENT A REPAIR PLAN IN A TIMELY MANNER BEFORE THERE'S MORE DAMAGE DONE TO MY PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROBERT. AND I WANT TO ASK JUST THE STAFF COULD GET WITH HIM AS WELL. YES. I WAS JUST SAYING I WAS HOPING THE STAFF COULD GET WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, BUT I THINK IT WARRANTS A LITTLE FURTHER. LOOK, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE VIDEOS, SO OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WEST. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM. HE'S FULLY AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM? CARD. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU PUT EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. SORRY I DID EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM FOUR. I WAS THINKING ITEM FOUR. SO MR. GENE HARRIS. YEAH PARDON ME I JUST GOOD EVENING.
AFTERNOON COUNCIL STAFF. MY NAME IS GENE HARRIS. I'M JUST HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN OVER A TOPIC THAT SEEMS TO BE JUST GETTING CONTINUALLY KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. REGARDING THE POTENTIAL REMOVAL OF SOMEONE FROM A COMMISSION IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THIS PLACE IS FULL OF RUMORS, AND I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO THE PERSON INVOLVED THAT SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION BE BROUGHT FORWARD SOONER THAN LATER. IF IT'S GOING TO GO NOWHERE, INSTEAD OF JUST NO ACTION, THEN I THINK AS A CITIZEN, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS INVOLVES MY CITY, MY CITY GOVERNMENT AND DISCUSSIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS INVOLVING. A COMMISSION THAT IS STAFFED BY VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE DEDICATED TO TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR THE CITY. AND I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING DRAWN OUT AND DRAWN OUT AND DRAWN OUT.
AND I DON'T THINK I WILL SAY ANYTHING MORE. THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOT
[VII. PRESENTATIONS & PROCLAMATIONS]
SEEING ANY OTHER CITIZENS, I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN PRESENTATIONS OF PROCLAMATIONS.ITEM ONE PRESENT THE HOMETOWN JULY 4TH PARADE WINNERS AND RECOGNITION OF THE FIRECRACKER FIVE K AND TEN K COMMITTEE. AND I HAVE MISS JENNIFER SANDOVAL, WHO DID AN AMAZING JOB DURING THE 4TH OF JULY EVENTS. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SORRY MY BACK'S TO YOU, BUT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TODAY WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF RECOGNIZING THE OUTSTANDING WINNERS OF THE 2026 LARGO LIBERTY DAYS HOMETOWN PARADE, AS WELL AS A DEDICATED GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHOSE HARD WORK MADE THIS YEAR'S FIRECRACKER FIVE K AND TEN K ANOTHER TREMENDOUS SUCCESS. WE WILL BEGIN WITH OUR PARADE AWARD WINNERS. BEST GOLF COURT WAS MADRID FAMILY. IF ANYBODY HERE TO ACCEPT THAT ON THEIR BEHALF. OKAY, OUR SPIRIT AWARD GOES TO LAGO VISTA DANCE STUDIO. THIRD PLACE AWARD GOES TO LAGO VISTA YOUTH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION. AND COME IN. AND
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LET THE KIDS AND I'M. I'M GONNA GO OFF SCRIPT. AND I KNOW JENNIFER HATE. WHEN I GO OFF SCRIPT. I'M GONNA ASK THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER WEST TO COME DOWN, PLEASE. COME ON, BOYS, GET IN HERE. AND MOVE IT OVER HERE. I'LL MOVE IT. LINE UP. GOT IT. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. YOUTH FOOTBALL AND CHEER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AND SAINT MARY'S. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THEY SAID THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU. OKAY. OUR SECOND PLACE AWARD GOES TO LANCE HOME SERVICES. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE WITH LANCE? WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT THAT. THANK YOU.FINALLY, IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT THE ANNE MORROW TROPHY, THE HIGHEST HONOR AWARDED DURING OUR LOGGER LIBERTY DAYS HOMETOWN PARADE. THIS TRAVELING TROPHY RECOGNIZES THE PARADE ENTRY THAT BEST EXEMPLIFIES CREATIVITY, PATRIOTISM, COMMUNITY SPIRIT, AND OVERALL PRESENTATION. THIS YEAR'S RECIPIENT IS SAINT MARY, OUR LADY OF THE LAKE CATHOLIC CHURCH. CONGRATULATIONS! YOU GOTTA HOLD IT UP. PUT ME ON THE SHOULDERS. WHOOP, WHOOP! LET'S GIVE ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO ALL OF OUR PARADE WINNERS FOR HELPING MAKE 2026 LAGO LIBERTY DAYS HOMETOWN PARADE SUCH A MEMORIAL SUCCESS. IS IT? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH, YEAH. I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AN INCREDIBLE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE HELPED BRING IN THE FIRECRACKER FIVE K AND TEN K BACK STRONGER THAN EVER. PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING JIM CAVIN. COME ON DOWN. DON FURY. FELICIA GUERRA. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HERE OR NOT. OKAY. STEPHANIE CHAPMAN. BEN STOCKHAM, BRIDGER AND LEON LAKE. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, THEIR FEARLESS LEADER, STEVE BECKER. KEEP IT AS A MEDAL, BUT IT IS A OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEER.
THANK YOU. IN ORDER TO STAND, JENNIFER HAS ONE MORE SPECIAL SURPRISE FOR STEVE. SO THIS IS FOR ME. I TOLD YOU THAT I WOULD GET YOU A SHIRT. SO HE ALWAYS TELLS ME HOW MANY RUNNERS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. AND WE ALL SIT THERE AND WE WELL, MAINLY ME. I DON'T BELIEVE HIM, BUT IT SAYS IT'S WEIRD BEING RIGHT ALL THE TIME AND. BUT SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT. STEVE. SO. THIS COMMITTEE APPROACHED THE CITY LAST YEAR WITH A VISION OF BRINGING THE FIRECRACKER FIVE K AND TEN K BACK AS A SIGNATURE EVENT FOR LAGO LIBERTY DAYS. THEIR DEDICATION, COUNTLESS VOLUNTEER
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HOURS AND PASSION HAVE PAID OFF FOR A BIG WAY. LAST YEAR, THE RACE WELCOMED 238 PARTICIPANTS.THIS YEAR, IT GREW TO 328, THE LARGEST VOLCANO IN THE EVENT'S HISTORY. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF LAKE FOREST, WE'D LIKE TO THANK EACH OF YOU AND YOUR COMMITMENT AND PRESENT YOU WILL PRESENT YOU WITH THE OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEER MEDAL IN WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AND APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE TO MAKE THIS SUCH A GREAT EVENT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MAYOR SUM AND THE LAGO VISTA CITY COUNCIL FOR MAKING THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND CELEBRATION PROVIDED BY CONTINUING TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE CITY'S BUDGET. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR CONTINUING TO KEEP THOSE EVENTS THAT MAKE OUR SHOWS OFF, OUR SHOWCASE, OUR CITY, AND THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS WE HAVE IN OUR CITY TO OFFER.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE INCREDIBLE CITY STAFF WHOSE HARD WORK MAKES THESE EVENTS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU TO OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. SUSAN PRICE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING MYSELF, JENNIFER, AND AMANDA, ALONG WITH MANY EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER THIS EVENT. STAY TUNED FOR 2026 LAGO LIBERTY DAYS. AND SHE WAS CHASING KIDS. SHE GOT ANOTHER PICTURE RIGHT HERE. SO. THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT PRESENTATION WE HAVE HERE FOR ITEM SEVEN TWO. PRESENTATION OF UPDATE FROM MCCOY CONSULTING. HELLO, HELLO. YOU GUYS GOT A UPDATED DOCUMENT FROM ERIC. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT ONE IF THAT'S OKAY. IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAILED IN TERMS OF THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUTLINED THAT. OKAY, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DO HAVE FIVE ON HERE AND I APOLOGIZE. I LISTED FOUR ON THE HOME PAGE. SO THAT FIRST ONE IS THE COMMUNITY OUTDOOR OUTREACH PROGRAM. IT'S THROUGH THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT, AND WE CAN GET UP TO $65,000. AND THE DEADLINE ISN'T UNTIL NOVEMBER 1ST.
THERE'S NO MATCH REQUIRED FOR ANY OF THESE, BY THE WAY, AND ALSO LISTED ON THESE IF IT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY OR NOT BASED ON OUR LIKELIHOOD OF BEING FUNDED, BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION PROGRAMING. SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR YOUTH EDUCATION, IT WOULDN'T TAKE THAT MANY STAFF HOURS. I DID OUTLINE WHAT DEPARTMENTS MAY BE IMPACTED IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL LABOR THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO PUT IN, AND ALSO PUT WHAT WHAT HOURS THAT I COULD ASSIST WITH. SO THAT'S 15 TO 20 HOURS THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION, FINANCE, CITY MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THE CITY SECRETARY. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS OVER A YEAR OR TWO PERIOD POINT OF TIME. SO THE ONLY THING NEEDED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO AUTHORIZE THE APPLICATION. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF WE'RE FUNDED, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT. SO NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR ME TO BEGIN THE PROJECT SCOPE AND IDENTIFY ELIGIBLE PROGRAMING. AND FOR THE SECOND ONE, WE HAVE THE USDA RURAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE. THAT IS, OF COURSE, THROUGH USDA. AND WE CAN GET UP TO 500,000. THIS ONE HAS A ROLLING DEADLINE EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS STILL OPEN. TYPICALLY, WHAT THEY DO IS WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY, THEY STOP FUNDING THAT PROGRAM UNTIL THEY HAVE MORE NO MATCH REQUIRED. AGAIN, I LISTED THIS ONE AS MEDIUM, ABOUT A 5050 CHANCE ON THIS ONE JUST BASED ON WHAT THEY TYPICALLY FUND. BUT IN TERMS OF FIT FOR LAGO VISTA, WE HAVE A STRONG CAPACITY BUILDING OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE AN ELIGIBLE INTERMEDIARY. SO MY THOUGHT IS JUST PARTNERING WITH A REGIONAL ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, AND I CAN FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION, ETC. AND HANDLE THAT PART IN TERMS OF STAFF HOURS, ABOUT 8 TO 12. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE CITY MANAGEMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCE. AND THEN I COULD PICK UP THE REST OF THOSE HOURS. AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF JUST WHAT I WOULD NEED FROM YOU GUYS IS JUST ONCE WE ESTABLISH A PARTNERSHIP, THEN TO JUST APPROVE THAT AND WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH A MOU. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE 21ST CENTURY CONSERVATION SERVICE CORPS. THAT'S THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. THE AMOUNT THAT THEY AWARD VARIES, BUT THEY ARE ON A ROLLING
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DEADLINE. SO WE HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THAT ONE. IT DOES HAVE A HIGH CHANCE OF BEING FUNDED.AND THE FIT FOR LAGO VISTA IS THAT IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAIL STEWARDSHIP. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT CONSERVATION WORKFORCE AND ALSO YOUTH ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS ONE, ABOUT 12 TO 18 HOURS FOR STAFF, AND THAT'S THROUGH PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS AND FINANCE. AND THEN AGAIN, I CAN PICK UP THE REST OF THOSE IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE OVERALL OPERATIONS FOR THE CITY. I PUT LOW TO MODERATE BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH LABOR OR ACTUAL ADMIN FOR THEM TO ADD TO THEIR DAY TO DAY. AND I PUT A 24 OUT OF 30 FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE IT HAS A DECENT CHANCE OF BEING FUNDED AS WELL WITH THE APPROACH THAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR IT. OKAY. NUMBER FOUR IS THE CITIZENS INSTITUTE ON RURAL DESIGN. THAT'S THROUGH NEA, SLASH, THE CITIZENS INSTITUTE, AND THIS IS TECHNICALLY FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. THEY HAVE ROUNDS THAT ARE CURLY IN THE OPEN ROUND. I DO LIKE THIS ONE WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PLANNING A LOT BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE SPECIALISTS ACTUALLY WALK YOU THROUGH HOW TO DO EVERYTHING. SO THIS ONE WILL BE A GOOD FIT FOR ANY PLANNING PLACE MAKING OR THE TRAIL VISIONING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, ABOUT 10 TO 15 HOURS. AND THAT'S THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CITY MANAGEMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND IT HAS AN OVERALL LOW IMPACT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH ACTUAL WORK WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THIS FOR ANYONE ELSE. SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO JUST PREPARE THAT COMMUNITY VISIONING CONCEPT AS TO WHAT WOULD BE IDEAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISASTER REPAIR GRANTS. THAT'S THROUGH USDA AS WELL. AND THE AMOUNT THAT THEY AWARD VARIES FOR THIS ONE. ALSO, ALSO ON A ROLLING DEADLINE, THERE'S TYPICALLY NO MATCH. SOMETIMES THEY LIKE TO DO THAT THING WHERE IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE FOR SURE 100%, BUT IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE FOR US IF WE HAVE A QUALIFYING DISASTER RELATED FACILITY PROJECT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE RETROFITTED AS AS THE EMERGENCY SHELTER. SO THAT WOULD QUALIFY ABOUT 10 TO 20 HOURS IN TERMS OF STAFF HOURS, AND THAT'S THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS FINANCE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD NEED HERE, OF COURSE, IS JUST APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION. AND OF COURSE, ONCE I DRAFT ALL OF THEM, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU GUYS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR REMOVED. AGAIN, ABOUT A MODERATE OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF THE ADDITIONAL LABOR THAT MAY HAVE TO BE PUT IN THIS AMONGST THE ACTUAL CITY TEAM, I PUT A 15 OUT OF 30 CHANCE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT THE USDA, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN'T TELL US FOR SURE UP FRONT IF WE'LL NEED MATCH OR NOT. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU USUALLY TALK TO WHOEVER THE LOCAL REP IS IN THE AREA OR THE PROGRAM MANAGER IN THE AREA TO SEE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT FOR THAT ONE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS, MISS CHAVARRIA? JUST A JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. I'M ACTUALLY GLAD MY MIC IS WORKING THIS TIME ON THIS REPORT. I MEAN, I LIKE THE I LIKE THE FORMAT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME IN THE PAST, LIKE, SAY THREE MONTHS, HOW MANY OF THESE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS HAVE STAFF ACTUALLY DIRECTED YOU TO GO AFTER? I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. OKAY. AND ON FUTURE REPORTS, COULD YOU. I'M SEEING THAT THERE ARE IDENTIFIED. BUT CAN YOU CAN YOU MAYBE NOTATE IF THEY'VE BEEN STAFF REVIEWED, AUTHORIZED, SUBMITTED, AWARDED OR DECLINED AND ALSO NOTATE IF SOME OF THESE ARE ARE THEY GOING TO REQUIRE MATCHING? I MEAN, YOU PUT ON HERE MATCH ON THE MATCHING, BUT ARE SOME OF THEM GOING TO BE PUT ON A BACK BURNER DUE ā TO NOT BEING SHOVEL READY AND STAFF CAPACITY AND MATCH. IF IT DOES REQUIRE MATCHING FUNDS, IS THERE A POTENTIAL SECONDARY GRANTS OUT THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SMALLER GRANTS THAT ACTUALLY HELP COMMUNITIES WITH THESE WHEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COME UP WITH, LET'S SAY, A 10 OR 20% MATCH, AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY. AND SO MORE I'M LOOKING MORE AND MORE OF A LIKE A PIPELINE OF OUTCOME. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS IDENTIFICATION. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF A PIPELINE. OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. MR. HALL. JUST A QUESTION.
ARE YOU ASKING OR DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY? IF IF WE SAY ALL FIVE OF THEM SOUND GREAT TO TO PURSUE THAT. YES. OKAY. YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THAT WE'VE STARTED GETTING SOME GRANTS COMING IN, ALBEIT SMALL, BUT STARTED. AND THAT'S THE AARP GRANT THAT WE WERE AWARDED ACTUALLY JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN TERMS OF IT BEING ANNOUNCED. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH DISASTER READINESS FOR OUR MORE SENIORS IN THE
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COMMUNITY OF 50 PLUS AND HAVING KITS READY FOR THEM DURING DISASTER. SO I'M REALLY PLEASED FOR THAT. LOOKING FOR BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IN TERMS OF I APPRECIATED THIS ROUND THAT BRITTANY PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. THAT WAS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF HOW IT IMPACTS THE CITY AND HOW MANY HOURS. ET CETERA. YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD BE ANTICIPATING.AND THEN LASTLY, GOING BACK THROUGH THE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AMANDA, THERE IS, I BELIEVE, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER THAT WAS A PIPELINE FOR THE CIVIC CENTER IDEA THAT ACTUALLY DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT UTILIZING MULTIPLE GRANTS IN ORDER TO OFFSET EACH OTHER. AND IN REGARD TO HAVING THOSE MATCHING FUNDS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY PUTTING MORE OF THAT KIND OF INFORMATION FORWARD. AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU, THE NICE THING IS ANYTIME I ASK A QUESTION THROUGH ERIC AND SAY, I NEED THIS, THAT BRITTANY COMPLIES WAY MORE THAN WHAT I EXPECTED. AND SO I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND DO LET ME KNOW BECAUSE ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW. SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T TELL ME, I DON'T KNOW. SO DO YOU JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL SHARE WHATEVER YOU NEED. BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID NOW THAT SHE BROUGHT UP THE AARP GRANT THAT CAN BE USED ESPECIALLY FOR THAT LAST OPPORTUNITY, IS MATCH. OKAY ON THAT? DO WE HAVE A COORDINATOR FOR THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE DOING OUR REPORTING AND METRICS FOR THE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT? I'VE ALWAYS AGREED TO JUST DO IT. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T. YEAH. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. YOU NEVER YOU'LL NEVER GET IT AGAIN. BURN YOUR BRIDGE FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER GRANT THAT YOU YEAH, THEY DO A GRANT BACKGROUND CHECK. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. MAYOR PRO TEM SO SORRY. ONE LAST THING AS AS AMANDA IS BRINGING UP THINGS, I WANT TO JUST SAY SOME THINGS THAT I JUST KNOW IN THE PIPELINE BECAUSE OF THE EDC CONVERSATIONS. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CITY GRANT CAPACITY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF COORDINATION RIGHT NOW WITH THE EDC OR THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, THEY'RE IN HAND, FOR WHICH THE FIRST QUESTION IS USUALLY, BRITTANY, CAN YOU ALSO HANDLE THAT SIDE OF IT TOO? BUT THAT CONVERSATION, I KNOW THAT ERIC AND I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BECAUSE OF ONCE THE EDC GETS THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND, THAT THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
YEAH, MORE BIGGER THINGS. THANK YOU. MR. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE REAL SPECIFIC AND THEN ONE MORE. THERE'S A GENERAL CATEGORY AND THESE ARE THINGS NOT ON YOUR LIST. SO HAVE YOU OR HAS EDC TAKEN A LOOK AT THE PEC COMMUNITY GRANTS THAT THEY'VE BEEN MAKING A LOT OF MARKETING ADVERTISEMENT ABOUT THAT. I THINK THIS MONTH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IS THE DEADLINE FOR THAT. CERTAINLY A LOT OF MONEY FLOWS FROM THE CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA TO THE PINELLAS ELECTRIC CORPORATION. AND SO IF THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY GRANT THAT WE COULD GET FROM THEM, IT MIGHT BE WORTH, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AT. SO THAT'S ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GRANTS UP HERE WAS ARTS. SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, MY WIFE AND I OWNED AN ART SCHOOL IN TOWN HERE, AND SHE HAD SPENT SOME TIME LOOKING AT FEDERAL GRANTS FOR ARTS, WHICH CAN BE PRETTY BIG MONEY. AND AT THAT TIME, THE CITY WAS TOO SMALL TO QUALIFY. BUT I THINK WE'RE BIG ENOUGH NOW TO POTENTIALLY QUALIFY FOR SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL FEDERAL GRANTS AROUND ARTS. AND SO IF YOU'VE NOT ALREADY OR IF EDC HAS NOT ALREADY, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE ON YOUR YOUR LIST TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY BE OUT THERE FOR, FOR ARTS GRANTS. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, I'D BE I DO WANT TO SAY WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE, MAYBE THE PRIOR YEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ART SCHOOL HERE OPENED. THE CHALLENGE WAS NOT HAVING MATCH FUNDS FOR A LOT OF THOSE FEDERAL OPPORTUNITIES. SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO APPLY. BUT I CAN PUT IT BACK ON MY LIST, THOUGH, AND I WAS GOING TO MENTION SOMETHING ELSE THAT SLIPPED MY MIND. OH, A LOT OF THEM WERE, WELL, THE HIGHER DOLLAR ONES WERE BEST FOR A NONPROFIT TO APPLY FOR. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ONE. BUT WE'RE THINKING NOW WITH THE EDC, WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER ROUTE TO USE THAT ORGANIZATION. IT'S A C SIX, BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THERE. AND THEY WILL HAVE THE CITY. BUT WHEN IT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, WE CAN APPLY THROUGH A NONPROFIT AS WELL. SO THAT WAS KIND OF ANOTHER ROADBLOCK AND SOMETHING ELSE WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY. I MAY AS WELL GO AHEAD AND THROW IT OUT. THERE IS KIND OF GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING TOGETHER SPECIFICALLY WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, SO I CAN BUILD A NARRATIVE AND A PROFILE
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AROUND IT SO THAT I CAN GET ALL THE DATA I NEED, ALL THE IMAGES, SO THAT IT'S THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET FUNDED AND MAKE IT A LOT EASIER TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS AND SAY, OKAY, THIS MAKES SENSE. WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THIS.JUST NEED YOU GUYS APPROVAL. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD EVERY MONTH BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IT AS I'VE GONE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS IN IN CLOSING, I THINK MY WIFE, MYRA, WHO KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THE ARTIST. AND BY THE WAY, LAGO VISTA HAS AN AMAZING NUMBER OF ARTISTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS DURING THEIR CAREER MAY HAVE RETIRED, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PHENOMENAL WHEN YOU START FINDING OUT HOW MUCH ART IS IN THIS ART. TALENT IS IN THE CITY. BUT I WOULD OFFER AND I NEVER VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING. I WILL WITH THIS. AND NORMA, MAYBE YOU CAN CONNECT MYRA WITH BRITTANY, BECAUSE SHE DID HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT I THINK MIGHT BE BE HELPFUL. YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO HER. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO SAY, ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN SEPARATE INITIATIVES, BUT KIND OF IN TANDEM, JUST IN TERMS OF US FINDING OUR WAY OF HAVING BASICALLY GRANT OVERSIGHT SUPPORT, WE'VE GOT MIKE REINBOLD HERE AND HE'S GOT A TOOL AS WELL AND HAS BEEN NICE TO SEND ME A LIST OF EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, PULLING IT OUT OF OUR CURRENT CONVERSATIONS AND OUR MINUTES AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING. AND I THINK LIKE THE PECK GRANT ACTUALLY WAS ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ON THAT LIST. I THOUGHT I HAD SHARED IT. ERIC, IF I HAVE NOT, I NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THANK YOU.
I DID ADD IT ON MY LIST HERE TOO. SO AND THANK YOU FOR DOING. OKAY. ANY OTHER COUNCIL
[VIII. CONSENT AGENDA]
QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, THE CONSENT AGENDA.ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE TO BE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS OR DISCUSSION IS DESIRED. THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. COUNCIL ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE REMOVED? HEARING NONE, I'LL READ THEM IN ITEM ONE. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A JOINT ELECTION AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY FOR THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2026 ELECTION. APPROVAL OF THE CORRESPONDING ELECTION SERVICES CONTRACT. ITEM TWO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-07-16-01. AN ORDINANCE ORDERING ESTABLISHING PROCEDURES FOR THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA TO ELECT OFFICIALS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE TWO, COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE FOUR AND COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE SIX, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE OF THE ELECTION, PROVIDING ELECTION PRECINCT AND POLLING PLACES, PROVIDING FOR EARLY VOTING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND OPEN MEETINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS.
ITEM THREE CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-2216 TO APPROVE THE PROVISION OF AT LEAST ONE ACCESSIBLE VOTING SYSTEM AT EACH CITY OF LAGO VISTA POLLING PLACE, AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 61.012 THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT EACH POLLING LOCATION USING A TEXAS ELECTION PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE VOTING SYSTEM THAT COMPLIES WITH APPLICABLE STATE AND FEDERAL ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, ALLOWING VOTERS WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES TO CAST A SECRET BALLOT. ITEM FOUR CONSIDER, DISCUSS, AND TAKE ACTION ON THE LOWER BALL FIELD LEASE WITH THE LAGO VISTA INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
ITEM FIVE CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH MVA FOR THE COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT UTILITY ACCOUNTS. ITEM SIX APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 22ND JUNE 26TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING ITEM SEVEN APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 2ND, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. HALL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MISS CHAVARRIA? I JUST WANTED ONE. ONE QUESTION FOR CONSENT FOR FIVE. I'M SORRY. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PULLED THIS ONE. I JUST HAD AN ISSUE.
ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE AGREEMENT. IT'S I KNOW IT'S A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT AND IT TALKS ABOUT THIRD PARTY USE OF CITIZEN INFORMATION. AND SO I JUST WAS WANTING TO KNOW WHAT PROTECTIONS THE CITY HAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. WELL, THEN I'LL PULL ITEM FIVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. TECHNICALLY, SINCE THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. IF THE. WELL, THE MOVERS CAN AGREE TO REMOVE ITEM FIVE FROM THE FROM THE MOTION. YES. OKAY. DO YOU ALL AGREE TO MOVE ITEM FIVE FROM THE MOTION? I AGREE, OKAY. MOTION. AND THEN ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE NOW AMENDED MOTION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. WE WILL GO BACK TO
[VIII.5. Consider, discuss, and take action authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement with MVBA for the collection of delinquent utility accounts.]
ITEM FIVE. CONSIDER DISCUSSING TAKE ACTION. AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH MVA FOR THE COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT UTILITY ACCOUNTS. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA HAD ALREADY ASKED A QUESTION. I THINK IT'S FOR CHARLES. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO STAFF.IS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE REVIEWED THIS, AND I DON'T SEE MY STAFF FROM UTILITY BILLING
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AND COUNSEL. IS NICOLE HERE? CHARLES, IF YOU NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION, MY MAIN CONCERN IS IF LEGAL OR IT IS REVIEWED, THE PROVISIONS ABOUT PROPRIETARY DATABASES, ANALYTICS, AND AGGREGATE DATA SHARING. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS RIGHT NOW ABOUT DATA SHARING IN GENERAL. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT LIKE, IF THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED AT ALL BY IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS REVIEWED IT THAT CLOSELY YET. I DO KNOW THAT THE ONLY DATA THEY WOULD BE PROVIDED IS THE DATA THAT IS RELATED ONLY TO OUR DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS.THAT WOULD BE THE ONES THEY WOULD BE ACTUALLY GOING AFTER. THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET DATA ON THE OTHER ACCOUNTS. OKAY. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WAS THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS 30% OF A IS BETTER THAN 100% OF NOTHING. SO YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT. OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ONLY INFORMATION THE CITY WILL BE PROVIDING IS ACCOUNT DATA AND ADDRESS. AND LAST POINT OF CONTACT INFORMATION. YES, THAT'S ALL THAT IS, ALL THAT IS SHARED WITH THAT CONTRACT. AND.
SO THE THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT MV BA IS PROHIBITED FROM SHARING OR DISCLOSING ANY SPECIFIC CONFIDENTIAL ACCOUNT OR DEBTOR INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER COMPANY, INDIVIDUAL, ORGANIZATION OR AGENCY WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE CITY EXCEPT AS MAY OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED BY LAW. SO THEY'RE CONTRACTUALLY PROHIBITED FROM SHARING ANY DATA THAT THEY DO RECEIVE WITH THIRD PARTIES. WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS READ IN REAL QUICK. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I HAVE A MOTION FOR MISS MARIA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL
[IX.3. Consider, discuss, and take action regarding the purchase of real property pursuant located at 20406 Earhart Lane, Lago Vista, Texas, 78645, PARCELS 1-9 WORLD OF RESORTS GOLF COURSE HIGHLAND LAKE EST SEC 5-18, 32 & ABS 2534 SUR 36 CANTWELL J ACR .9550 (TOTAL 111.6268 ACRES).]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE THREE. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT LOCATED AT 20406 ERHART LANE, LAGO VISTA, TEXAS. 78645 PARCELS ONE THROUGH NINE WORLD RESORTS GOLF COURSE, HIGHLAND LAKE ESTABLISHMENT, SEC. FIVE THROUGH 1832 AND A BS2534. SIR 36 CANTWELL, JACR0 .950. TOTAL 111.6268 ACRES. AND I'LL SEND IT TO CHARLES FOR HIS PRESENTATION. OKAY, MAYOR. COUNCIL CITIZENS, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A HOT TOPIC ON SOCIAL MEDIA OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND I'VE JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE THAT STILL IS. YOU KNOW, AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL. I DISCUSSED THE POSSIBLE PURCHASE FOR THIS WITH THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. CITY HAD ME GET A COMMISSION, AN APPRAISAL, WHICH WE DID. THE APPRAISAL CAME IN. THE PROPERTY IS WORTH APPROXIMATELY ONE, $1.4 MILLION. SO THAT'S HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT. A LETTER OF INTENT HAS BEEN ISSUED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, BUT NO CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED. DESPITE SOME OF THE RUMORS THAT'S OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. BECAUSE I CAN'T BUY PROPERTY, ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL CAN. I JUST FACILITATE WHAT THEY ASK ME. WHY IS THIS A I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS, IS THIS A BUY OR DON'T BUY SITUATION? I PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER. IT'S A COMBINED PIECE OF PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE ARE ABLE TO GET IT UNDER WHAT IT IS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHY THE CITY WOULD WANT TO PURCHASE THIS. AND YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20, 30, 40 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN WE NEED MORE LAND FOR EFFLUENT DISPERSAL, THIS IS 111 ACRES THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY GOT EFFLUENT LINES LAID TO THAT WE COULD LAY THAT TO. SO THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PLUSES TO THAT. I DO STILL HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE TITLE AND ALL THAT, WHICH THAT WOULD ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN IT GOES TO THE TITLE COMPANY FOR RESEARCH AND STUFF. IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO PURCHASE THIS, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THERE IS SOME. THINGS IN THE PREVIOUS DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT, THAT SAYS THAT THAT OUR ATTORNEY HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY DO GO PROTECT PERPETUALLY WITH THE LAND, AND THAT IS THAT IT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE. AND WE HAVE THE[00:45:03]
RIGHT TO DISPERSE EFFLUENT AND MAINTAIN THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM ON THERE THAT USES EFFLUENT. SO IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S ALREADY PART OF OUR CURRENT PERMIT. IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, WE HAVE PERMISSION TO PUT THE EFFLUENT ON THERE. NOW. NOT CURRENTLY. NO NOT CURRENTLY. I KNOW IT'S NOT CURRENT PART OF OUR CURRENT PERMIT, BUT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT IS THERE NOW DISPERSED EFFLUENT, CORRECT. OR DID IT NOT. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PART OF A PREVIOUS ONE, BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN OUR CURRENT ONE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET. CHARLES, IF I MAY, ON THAT. AND VICTOR HELP ME IF I GET THIS WRONG. BUT IN OUR I-PASS MEETING, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE I-PASS WAS DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT HE WAS ASSERTING THAT UNDER THE EXISTING 210 PERMIT, THAT EFFLUENT COULD BE DISTRIBUTED ON THAT HIGHLAND LAKE GOLF COURSE. AND SO IT'S NOT PART OF OUR PERMIT. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PATH THAT I THINK IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON THAT. SO YOU CAN COME CORRECT THAT OR AMEND IT OR CLARIFY WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE. SO THE LAND HAS. OR IS THIS ON? YEAH. THE LAND HAS THE ABILITY TO DISPERSE EFFLUENT, BUT IT IS NOT PART OF THE REGULATION THAT SAYS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 1 MILLION OF EFFLUENT. AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT THE CITY HAS TO DISTRIBUTE ON. SO THAT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. BUT YES, THE 210 PERMIT ALLOWS FOR WATER TO BE OR FOR EFFLUENT TO BE DISTRIBUTED THERE, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE CITY TO DISTRIBUTE ITS EFFLUENT THERE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? JUST 210 IS DIFFERENT FROM TEE LABS.RIGHT. THANK YOU. BUT I MEAN, FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL AND FOR CITIZENS, WHAT'S THE SIMPLE NET OUT? ARE DOES THE CITY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, OR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS WOULD BE NEED TO BE TAKEN IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT. I THINK IT HAS THE ABILITY, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE 210 PERMIT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY. YEAH. I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE TEN OR THE 210 WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR FOR THAT. I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A USABLE ACREAGE ANALYSIS. ANOTHER TCEQ REVIEW, AN ENGINEERING TEE LABS THAT'S JUST FOR TEE LAB. OKAY, SO FOR 210 WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CONFIRM, AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTED CLARITY ON WHETHER WE LEGALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISPERSE EFFLUENT ON IT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DISPERSE, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR US TO DISPERSE THERE. OKAY.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION GOES, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THE COUNCIL PACKET OF THINGS THAT YOU WERE REVIEWING WHEN YOU WERE MAKING THIS DECISION AS TO WHAT THE PERMIT SAYS OR DOESN'T SAY. NO, WE DID NOT LOOK AT THE CURRENT TEE PERMIT. OKAY. WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS FOR FUTURE MAYOR. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TEN, 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
NOT NOT TODAY. I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IMMEDIATELY. LAY AN IRRIGATION LINES OUT THERE AND START DISPERSING EFFLUENT ON IT. OKAY.
AND MY QUESTION WAS ASKED RIGHT BEFORE THAT IS WE HAD DISCUSSED IF WE COULD HAVE BRAD TALK ABOUT HIS ANALYSIS OF THE DEED. JUST COUNCIL HAVE GIVEN THE APPROVAL TO LET BRAD TALK ABOUT HIS OPINION ON THE DEED. YES, I SEE HEADS NODDING. OKAY, SO TURN THAT ON. WHAT I AM REVIEWING IS A A RECORDED SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED. THIS IS FROM 2019, WHEN THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA CONVEYED THAT PROPERTY TO AN ENTITY CALLED GHUFRAN LLC. AND, AND, AND WITHIN THAT, THE CONTEXT OF THAT CONVEYANCE THE CITY RETAINED FOR ITSELF. CERTAIN RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. AND THE FIRST RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IN THAT CONVEYANCE IS THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED, AS CHARLES MENTIONED, HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE SHALL REMAIN AS AND BE DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE UNLESS A CHANGE IN LAND USE LAND DESIGNATION AND USAGE IS APPROVED IN WRITING BY THE CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT PROPERTY CAN'T BE USED AS ANYTHING BUT A GOLF COURSE UNLESS THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT. THE SECOND RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS THAT THE PROPERTY. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA OWNS AND OPERATES A REUSE PIPELINE LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF HENRY STREET AND HAMILTON STREET, AND THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO DISPOSE OF EXCESS
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REUSED WATER THAT IS STORED ON THE PROPERTY. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA ALSO RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY AND TO REPLACE OR MAINTAIN THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN WHOLE OR IN PART. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE CITY DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY AND PERFORM MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT, BUT OF COURSE, THAT IS ALL ON THE ON THE CITY'S DIME, SO TO SPEAK. AND BUT THE THESE TWO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SHALL RUN WITH THE PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE CITY. AND ITS SUCCESSORS, HEIRS AND ASSIGNS. AND THEY. SO THOSE WERE THE RESTRICTIONS WITH WHICH THE CITY WAS. I'M SORRY, THE PROPERTY WAS CONVEYED BACK IN 2019. THANK YOU. CHARLES, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? YEAH. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY. IT'S 111 ACRES PLUS TOTAL. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PACKET AND ALL THAT'S OUT THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO CONTRACTS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY HERE. ONE IS THE 109 ACRES, WHICH IS THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF. AND THEN THERE'S A TWO JUST OVER TWO ACRE TRACT, WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE BARN AND PUMP STATIONS AND STUFF THAT HOLD THE EFFLUENT AND STUFF. THE CURRENT OWNER SUBDIVIDED THAT OFF. UNBEKNOWNST TO THE CITY UNTIL AFTER AFTER IT WAS ALL DONE. THAT'S WHY THIS IS BROKEN UP INTO TWO, TWO CONTRACTS AT THIS TIME. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR. THAT'S WHY THERE'S TWO CONTRACTS, NOT JUST ONE CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, THE APPRAISAL SAYS THAT THE PROPERTY IS WORTH $1.4 MILLION TOTAL. OUR NEGOTIATED PRICE AT THIS TIME IS 1.2. YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS COME UP. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BUY THIS IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT THE EFFLUENT ON THERE? AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THAT. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BUY IT? BUT HERE'S THE OTHER CAVEAT THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH THE WHILE WE HAVE CURRENT REGULATORY USE OF LAND WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, THAT IS ALLOWED BY STATE STATUTES, STATE STATUTES ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL, THIS PROPERTY IS HIGHEST, BEST VALUE AS MIXED USE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THIS REMAINS GREENBELT OR PUBLIC LAND, WHATEVER CITY COUNCIL DECIDES WITH IT, THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY TO PREVENT A DEVELOPER FROM BUYING THIS PROPERTY. AND IN THE FUTURE, IF WE LOSE OUR REGULATORY RIGHTS WITH THE CURRENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION OR ANY FUTURE ONES, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF PRESSURE PUT ON THERE TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY REDEVELOPED. THIS WAY, IF IT BELONGS TO US, WE CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT PROPERTY. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CURRENT COUNCIL HAS NO DESIRE TO DEVELOP THIS, SELL IT TO ANY DEVELOPERS OR ANYTHING LIKE IT'S TO PROTECT THE GREEN BELT AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT FOR THAT, I DO AGREE WITH PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT? YES, SIR. FOR BRAD, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEED HAS IN PERPETUITY. WE HAVE THE RIGHT THAT THE COUNCIL IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN APPROVE ANY CHANGE OF THE USE OF THIS GOLF COURSE. CAN THE LEGISLATURE COME IN AND STEAL THAT RIGHT AWAY? WELL, I YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE ABILITY TO. TO VOID A A PRIVATE PROPERTY, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. WELL, I SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY. PROPERTY. RIGHT. RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. AND WHILE THIS COUNCIL NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL MAY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO TO CHANGE THAT RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ON THE USAGE AS A GOLF COURSE, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A FUTURE COUNCIL COULDN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE. SO WHILE WHILE THAT COVENANT DOES RUN WITH THE LAND AND I DON'T THINK CAN BE JUST WIPED AWAY BY THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE I MEAN, CURRENTLY IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY HELD BY A PRIVATE PARTY. NONETHELESS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION TO CHANGE THAT USAGE, AND THAT CERTAINLY COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. BUT SO IF THE PROPERTY IS ACQUIRED AND IT IS, FOR EXAMPLE. IF IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WERE ACQUIRED AND DESIGNATED AS PARKLAND, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN ANY FUTURE CONVEYANCE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY VOTERS. SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL IF YOU OWN[00:55:05]
IT, THERE ARE ADDITIONS AND YOU CHARACTERIZE IT AS PARKLAND, FOR EXAMPLE. I'M NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO OR YOU SHOULD, BUT IF YOU DID, YOU COULD PUT ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS IN EFFECT THAT WOULD REALLY MAINTAIN THE STATUS OF THAT PROPERTY, PROBABLY IN PERPETUITY UNLESS THE VOTERS DECIDED TO APPROVE A SALE. SO THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU OWN IT, THAT YOU CAN'T DO AS JUST HAVING A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. SO THOSE ARE ALL POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE UP TO YOU ALL TO DETERMINE. THANK YOU. CHARLES. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE PICTURES, THE MAINTENANCE BARN IS IN PRETTY POOR CONDITION. A LOT OF TRASH, A LOT OF CLEANUP. THE THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN BEFORE. IT HAS GOTTEN ALL GROWN UP AND STUFF AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CITY DID MOW IT THIS PAST YEAR, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN MOWED IN SEVERAL YEARS, AND THERE WAS SOME EXPENSE THERE INCURRED BY THE CITY BECAUSE WE COULD NOT GET THE PROPERTY OWNER TO. GO OUT AND MOW IT OR MAKE THE RECORD DEALS. WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF PUTTING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS HELD OFF ON PUTTING THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL CITY COUNCIL MAKES A FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WISH TO PURCHASE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE KIND OF A WASTE OF LEGAL FEES OR LEGAL FUNDS TO HAVE THEM PUT A LIEN ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE BUYING.SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. THIS IS WHERE OUR YOU START TALKING ABOUT CEDAR BREAKS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ARGUMENTS COME UP A LOT, THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH LAND AT CEDAR BREAKS TO CARRY US INTO THE FUTURE. YES, WE HAVE 300 ACRES OUT THERE. BUT WE ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO IRRIGATE 213 ACRES OF THAT LAND SO WE DON'T GET TO IRRIGATE THE WHOLE 300 ACRES OF CEDAR BREAKS. SO WE WILL NEED MORE LAND IN THE FUTURE. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY LOOKED AT PURCHASING LAND OUTSIDE OF CEDAR BREAKS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS AT A SIGNIFICANT COST BECAUSE IT'S NOT. CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS, AND IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO EXTEND OUT TO IT. AND THAT PRICE BACK THEN WAS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. AND I DON'T KNOW, MR. STEWART, WAS THAT IN 2015 OR 17? IN 2015, WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT THE 3 OR 400 ACRES WOULD COST WITH THE PIPELINE TO IT WITHOUT THE PONDS OR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 70.
YEAH, YEAH. SO YOU MAY WANT TO REPEAT THAT FOR FOLKS ONLINE WHO DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF IT. OKAY.
THE STUDY THAT WE DID IN 2015, WE FOUND PROPERTY THAT WAS 7 TO 11 MILES AWAY FROM US. AND WE ESTIMATED THAT THE PROPERTY PURCHASE AND TO GET A PUMP STATION BUILT AND MOVED THE PIPELINE TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE 7 MILLION OR MORE. AND AFTER WE OWNED THE PROPERTY, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND RETENTION POND PUMP BUILDINGS WOULD BE IN ADDITION. SO PROBABLY ANOTHER 4 MILLION. SO IT WAS A 11 MILLION TOTAL. OKAY. AND THAT WAS IN 2015, 2015. AND LAND WAS A LOT CHEAPER THEN THAN IT IS NOW. SO AND THIS SLIDE HERE, IT JUST SHOWS THAT THE PROBABILITY OF BEING IRRELEVANT FOR USE OF EFFLUENT DISPOSAL IS NOT UNTIL 2041 2042. TO AMEND THE TAP, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF ENGINEERING AND ALL. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT ENGINEERING AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT THAT WE NEED IT. THIS. I THINK WE KIND OF GOT OFF ON MY SLIDES HERE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR ATTORNEY.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME ABILITIES. ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. HERE IS A. WHAT FULL, FULL OWNERSHIP ADDS BEYOND EXISTING RIGHTS. IS PERMANENT CONTROL OVER LAND USE AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, ABILITY TO PHASE UTILITY, OPEN SPACE, TRAIL, PARK OR MUNICIPAL USES, AVOIDANCE OF FUTURE SELL OR HOLD OUT CONDEMNATION OR SITE LOSS RISK. LONG TERM OPTION VALUE IF GROWTH AND PERMITTING ASSUMPTIONS CHANGE. I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BIG ONE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW HOW
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WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN A REAL ESTATE FUND. THAT WAS FROM ANOTHER PURCHASE THE CITY MADE MANY YEARS AGO PRIOR TO MY TIME, AND THEY SOLD, I GUESS WHAT THEY CALL THE OLD, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER THE HOUSE, THE MANSION OR WHATEVER. WELL, HOUSE. OKAY. SO SO THAT'S AND THAT THAT LAND, SINCE THAT WAS REVENUE DERIVED FROM REAL ESTATE SALE, IT NEEDS TO GO BACK INTO REAL ESTATE. SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD FUND THIS.SO THE CITY WOULD NOT NEED TO BORROW ANY MONEY OR ANYTHING TO DO THAT. IF WE PURCHASE IT NOW.
WE MAINTAIN MAXIMUM CONTROL. YOU COULD DO FIRST RIGHT OF RIGHT, RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL TO PRESERVE FUTURE ACCESS. YOU COULD EXPAND EASEMENTS, ACCESS RIGHTS, OR YOU COULD DEFER IT AND TAKE NO ACTION. SO Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS Y'ALL CAN PUT UP HERE. AGAIN, I JUST LAID OUT THE INFORMATION FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE A DECISION. I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THE WAY THE PREVIOUS SALE WAS DONE OR THE LAST SALE. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TITLE ISSUES, BUT THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THE TITLE COMPANY TO GET ALL THAT CLEANED UP. AND MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING. SURE. VICTOR JUST SHOWED ME A DOCUMENT THAT I JUST SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME. HE'S EMAILING IT TO ME BECAUSE I LOOKED AT HIS PHONE AND MY EYESIGHT'S NOT THAT GOOD ANYMORE, BUT IT WAS A 2017 EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY APPARENTLY ENTERED. FOR BOTH GOLF COURSES TO USE AS IN ADDITION TO EFFLUENT DISPERSAL FOR FOR UTILITY PURPOSES. SO APPARENTLY IN 2017, THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED BY RESOLUTION ESTABLISHED THIS, THIS BASICALLY A UTILITY EASEMENT OVER THE ENTIRETY OF BOTH COURSES. SO IN ADDITION TO, IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY, I JUST GLANCED AT IT BRIEFLY FOR A MOMENT. BUT BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT THE CITY MAINTAINED WHEN IT SOLD THE PROPERTY, THERE IS ALSO LIKELY A UTILITY EASEMENT OVER BOTH PROPERTIES THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE USED FOR THAT, BUT ONLY FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO IF THE CITY HADN'T HAD AN IDEA TO USE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED AS PARKLAND OR DO SOMETHING ELSE, PUT DISC GOLF OR TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T COVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT FOR UTILITY PURPOSES, IT IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A 2017 EASEMENT THAT THE CITY. KEPT FOR ITSELF. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. FOR CLARIFICATION. THAT'S AS IF IT THERE'S A WE HAVE THAT EASEMENT FOR A PRIVATE ENTITY OWNING IT. IF WE OWNED IT, WE COULD PUT PARKS, TRAILS, GREEN SPACE ON IT BY RESOLUTION, BY BY REMOVING. THAT IS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE A THIRD PARTY PRIVATE PARTY STILL OWNS IT. YOU STILL THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE THAT UTILITY EASEMENT. BUT ALL YOU COULD USE IT FOR WOULD BE THAT UTILITY PURPOSE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT THIS IS A STRATEGIC LAND PURCHASE THAT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT. AND YES, WE MAY NOT NEED IT UNTIL 2041, BUT THERE'S A SAYING IN MY FAMILY, AND THIS IS THE REASON I'M, I LIKE TO CONSIDER MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR IS THEY'RE NOT MAKING LAND ANYMORE. AND DEVELOPERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO COME IN AND WIGGLE AROUND AND GET AS MUCH PROPERTY AS THEY CAN AND GET VARIANCES AND GET THINGS REPEALED. AND I'M VERY MUCH OF THE OPINION THAT THE LEGISLATOR WILL BE GOING AGAIN, GOING IN FAVOR OF PROPERTY OWNERS, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND THAT IF A DEVELOPER DOES DECIDE TO BUY THIS, THAT THEY EVENTUALLY WILL STRIP THESE RESTRICTIONS OR DEED RESTRICTIONS AWAY, POTENTIALLY. I'VE SEEN MINERAL RIGHTS STRIPPED AWAY FROM PEOPLE BECAUSE OF, OF, OF LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENTS. SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS JUST FOR AFFLUENT.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS AS A BIGGER PICTURE. YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IF WE ARE ABLE TO GO TO TYPE ONE, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY CITIZENS OUT HERE THAT ARE PUSHING FOR GREEN SPACE. WE NEED A COMMUNITY CENTER. WE I MEAN, THIS IS RIGHT. I MEAN, THIS IS IN IN THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT SEVEN MILES OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US $11 MILLION TO FIX. MY CONCERN, THOUGH, IS THE ANNUAL COST, THE MAINTENANCE COST INFRASTRUCTURE.
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THERE ARE SOME DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS OUT THERE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. FIRE MITIGATION MANAGEMENT, JUST INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. BUT I'LL LEAVE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE I'LL MAKE MAKE ANY FURTHER STATEMENTS. MR. BENFIELD, JUST PRIOR TO CITIZENS COMMENT, I WANT TO READ NOT JUST A BLURB OF A. DECEMBER 9TH, 2003 PERMITS FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ADDRESSED TO THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. RECLAIMED WATER AUTHORIZATION, PAGE TWO.AUTHORIZATION. TYPE TWO RECLAIMED WATER FROM THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. PERMIT NUMBER 1172-001 TO BE USED FOR IRRIGATION OF MATURE CEDAR TRACK FOR THE GOLDEN CHEEKED WARBLER, MIGRATORY BIRD HABITAT AND ON TURFGRASS AT THE HIGHLAND LAKES AND BAR G. CORE GOLF COURSES. RECLAIMED WATER UNDER THIS AUTHORIZATION CANNOT EXCEED THE PERMITTED FLOW RATE UNDER PERMIT NUMBER 11752-001. I BELIEVE THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT.
I BELIEVE IT'S 3.52 ACRE FEET PER YEAR PER ACRE, WHICH EQUALS TO ABOUT 355,000 GALLONS PER DAY. SO. I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THERE'S COMMENTS IN THIS ROOM THAT SAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO PROPERLY DISPERSE THE RECLAIMED WATER OVER THERE, BECAUSE CLEARLY, OUR 2003 PERMIT SAYS THAT WE DO. OKAY, CHARLES, YOU FINISHING? YEAH. FINISH THAT. JUST MY LAST TWO SLIDES HERE. IS IT NEEDED NOW? NO CURRENT PLANNING POINTS TO CEDAR BREAKS TO THROUGH 1.5 MGD ON THAT IS ON THE CURRENT EFFLUENT DISPOSAL. IS THE PRICE ATTRACTIVE? IT'S $200,000 BELOW THE CITY COMMISSIONED APPRAISAL. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE FUNDED? IT'S GOING TO BE CASH FROM AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE FUNDS. NO BORROWING INTEREST OR DEBT SERVICE. THERE ARE NO KNOWN.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTY. THESE ARE JUST THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT THROUGH ALL OF THIS. I YOU KNOW, AS I SAID PERSONALLY, IF WE HAD IF THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION THAT SAYS IT NEEDS TO REMAIN A GOLF COURSE, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF BUILDING ANOTHER GOLF COURSE AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT GOLF COURSE NEEDS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT PAYS FOR ITSELF AND NOT FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT TYPE OF GOLF COURSE IT COULD BE. THERE'S ALREADY DISC GOLF BASKETS OUT THERE. I THINK WE HAVE THE MINIMUM WORK AND ALL STAFF COULD MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, KEEP IT MOWED AND WE COULD UTILIZE THE DISC GOLF, WHICH IS A VERY POPULAR SPORT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, I HAVE DISCOVERED. SO AND IT WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO, WALK AND WALK THEIR DOGS AND EXERCISE AND STUFF AND JUST BE A GREEN SPACE. BUT IT'D HELP PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WITH THE ADDED VALUE OF IN THE FUTURE. WE COULD USE IT FOR EFFLUENT DISPOSAL IF IT'S NEEDED, BUT IF WE DO PURCHASE IT DESIGNATED AS PARKLAND OPEN SPACE, THAT GUARANTEES THE CITIZENS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS TO IT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES BEFORE I TAKE IT TO CITIZEN COMMENTS, MR. HALL? JUST ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF, BUT WHEN. WE WILL NEED THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FOR DISPOSAL AND WITH. WITH DUE RESPECT FOR STAFF, THE THIS THAT STUDY WAS NOT OR THOSE PROJECTIONS WERE NOT PUT TOGETHER BY CERTIFIED ENGINEERS, I YOU KNOW, THE STAFF PRESENTATION MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT OF COURSE, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER EITHER. AND IF FOR ANY REASON THEY THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE WRONG AND WE NEED THEM BEFORE 15 YEARS, THEN WE COULD FIND OURSELVES IN A REAL BIND. IF THAT PROPERTY IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US AT A REASONABLE PRICE AT THAT TIME. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION. OKAY, I'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I HAVE MR. DAVE STEWART, AND HE'S ALSO GOT AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES GIVEN TO HIM BY LORI DICK. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WAS GOING TO
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TALK ABOUT THAT PERMIT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. BUT IN ADDITION TO WHAT HE SAID, I HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER HERE THAT SAYS THAT THAT PERMIT WAS STILL CURRENT AS OF TEN DAYS AGO. SO WE HAVE AN ACTIVE 210 DISCHARGE PERMIT OUT THERE. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A MOMENT? THANK YOU SIR. SO IT'S FROM DECEMBER 9TH OF 2003, I THINK. AND AS OF TEN DAYS AGO, IT'S STILL. AND SO THE 210 PERMIT IS A BEST MANAGEMENT. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A CEILING PER SE. ON A 210. IN THE PAST WE'VE PUT SIX ACRE FEET ON PROPERTY IN SECTIONS. IT AVERAGED IT OUT OVER THE WHOLE THING. BEST MANAGEMENT MEANS NO PONDING, NO RUNOFF. SO I HAD TO SCRATCH A LOT OF THIS OUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ACCURATE LEGAL INFORMATION. SO THE CITY FIRST OWNED LDC ON 424, 2010. IT MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LDC, INCLUDING A TWO MILE CROSS TOWN, TEN INCH HDPE EFFLUENT TRANSMISSION LINE, 560 K EFFLUENT STORAGE TANK, AND AN IRRIGATION PUMP STATION. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LCRA AND THE CITY OF JONESTOWN, THE CITY OF JONESTOWN ACTUALLY OWNED. ABOUT ONE SIXTH OF THE PUMP BUILDING, AND THE GST STATE TANK THAT WAS SOLD WHEN THEY SOLD THE GOLF COURSE, THE PUMP STATION SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLD. WE SOLD PROPERTY THAT BELONGED TO ANOTHER CITY. THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS STRAIGHTENED OUT. NOT TO MENTION THAT THE LCRA ALSO PAID $100,000 TOWARDS THE COST OF THAT PROJECT, AND PART OF THAT MONEY WAS USED ON THE PUMP STATION AND THE TANK. WHEN THE IDEA ABOUT SELLING THE LDC OR HG HLGC WAS FIRST PROPOSED, I POINTED OUT THAT NONE OF THE CITY'S UTILITY LINES CROSSING THE LDC HAD EASEMENTS. WE DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD NEED ABOUT 50 EASEMENTS COSTING OVER $75,000 TO CREATE. SO THE DECISION WAS TO MAKE ALL THE ACREAGE FOR BOTH HLGC AND LVGC INTO CITY UTILITY EASEMENTS. WE DID SO BY MAKING IT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE H, L, GC AND GC PLATS. IT FIXED THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY ALSO ASKED ME TO GUESS WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE RUNNING NEW CITY UTILITY LINES ACROSS THE COURSE. NOW HOW AM I GOING TO KNOW THAT WHAT'S GOING TO BE HERE IN 20 YEARS? WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO SELL THE HLGC IN 2018, I SUGGESTED THAT THE. SAME DEED RESTRICTION METHOD BE USED TO SECURE THE PERPETUAL OF THE GOLF COURSE AS EITHER GOLF COURSE OR A GREEN BELT, AND SECURE THE IRRIGATION RIGHTS. INSTEAD, IT WAS PUT INTO THE 2019. SPECIAL.WARRANTY DEED. SO IF THE CITY REBUYS DOES GAIN REPOSSESSION OR GETS POSSESSION OF IT AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THOSE TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS BE ADDED TO BOTH PLATS AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN THE 2019 AND NOT IN THE 2020. SO. WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE, IT WAS BECAUSE WE NOTICED THEY HADN'T IRRIGATED FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS.
SO WE INVOKED, I DON'T GET THIS SO SCRATCHED UP. WE INVOKED THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE CLAUSE AND TOOK FORCIBLE POSSESSION OF THE PUMP BUILDINGS OVER. WHEN WE GOT THERE, WE FOUND NO POWER METERS. THE ELECTRIC METERS HAD BEEN PULLED, SO WE GOT PECK TO TURN THE POWER BACK ON AN EMERGENCY. THEN WHEN WE WENT TO GO INTO THE BUILDING, NONE OF THE LIGHT BULBS WORKED, SO WE HAD TO PUT BULBS IN IT SO WE COULD SEE WHAT WE WERE DOING. WHEN WE FIRED IT UP, WE HAD ONE PUMP AT EACH STATION, BARELY OPERATIONAL, OPERATING AT ABOUT 50 OR 60% OF CAPACITY. SO WE HAD TO PULL PUMPS OUT, PAY HOTSHOTS TO GET THEM FIXED AND PUT THEM BACK IN FOUR DAYS LATER. ONLY THEN DID WE START EMPTYING OUR PONDS. WE HAVE THE
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EXACT SAME SITUATION GOING ON WITH THE PUMP STATION AT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. THE TANK HAS A LEAK ABOUT 16FT OFF THE GROUND. I'M TOLD THAT THE PUMP STATION IS INOPERABLE. THE WAY YOU USE YOUR 210 IS THAT WE HAVE A GOLF COURSE THAT HAS DEFECTIVE IRRIGATION, AND WE HAVE A PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT IF IT HAD THE WORKINGS ON IT RIGHT NOW, CAN'T IRRIGATE WHILE IT'S BEING REBUILT. SO OUR POLICY WAS DURING WET WEATHER, WE ALWAYS DUMPED WATER ON THE HIGHLANDS COURSE SO WE COULD THE EXCESSIVE RAINWATER TO KEEP OUR PONDS DOWN SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO OVER WATER THE CEDAR TREES. SO IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THE TEE LAPSE, EVEN IF IT IS A 210 A, BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OFF LOAD. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET RID OF YOUR EXTRA. OR IF YOU GET IN A BIND DURING A WET WEATHER EVENT. SO IF WE OWN THE PUMP STATION, WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GIVEN AWAY THE PUMP STATION, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE DIDN'T OWN 100% OF IT. WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT BACK. IT'S A SHAME WE GOT TO BUY BACK WHAT WE PAID.THE BILL, THOUGH. THAT SITS IN MY CRAW, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY WAY AROUND IT. SO. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE SUPER EL NINO. I THINK THAT PUMP STATION COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO MANUAL OPERATIONS FAIRLY SIMPLY, PROBABLY IN NO MORE THAN SIX WEEKS, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S BROKE. I BUILT IT, EVERYTHING WAS BRAND NEW WHEN I BROUGHT IT ONLINE. THE BUILDING'S HEAVILY INSULATED. IT'S GOT HARDIE BOARD ON THE INSIDE. IT'S NOT GOING TO NEED ANY BUILDING.
IT'S JUST GOING TO NEED PUMP AND CONTROLS. OKAY. WHEN IF THE GOLF COURSE AND I DON'T HEAR THIS FROM THIS COUNCIL, BUT WE SURVEYED THE PUMP STATION AND THE GST OUT SEPARATELY BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO SELL THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE, WE WERE GOING TO KEEP POSSESSION OF THAT BECAUSE WE FOUND FROM THE LOG OF VISTA GOLF COURSE THAT PRIVATE ENTITIES DO NOT MAINTAIN PUMPING STATIONS EQUIVALENT TO THE WAY THE CITY DOES. AND WE NEED THAT. IF WE NEED TO TURN THAT ON TOMORROW, WE NEED TO KNOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. AND YOU ALL JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY ON THE CEDAR BREAKS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED MAINTENANCE THERE. WELL, THEY DIDN'T JUST STOP MAINTENANCE OUT AT CEDAR BREAKS.
THIS BUILDING GOT NO MAINTENANCE IN THE SAME TIME, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BAD OR IT'S GOING TO COST AS MUCH. SO. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I HEAR A LOT ABOUT TYPE ONE WATER.
OKAY, TYPE ONE REUSE. WATER IS NOT MAGIC WATER. IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE APPLICATION RATE FOR THE EFFLUENT DISCHARGE ON THE TC 305. PERMITTED EFFLUENT DISPOSAL PROPERTY, THE TI LABS.
ALL IT DOES IS GIVE THE CITY A WIDER SELECTION OF LAND AREAS TO DISCHARGE EFFLUENT. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU FILL A FIVE GALLON BUCKET WITH TYPE ONE OR TYPE TWO EFFLUENT. AFTER FIVE GALLONS OF EITHER TYPE ONE OR TYPE TWO EFFLUENT IS PUT INTO THE FIVE GALLON BUCKET, IT IS. IT WILL OVERFLOW AND YOU NEED TO GO GET ANOTHER BUCKET. MAKING IT TYPE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN DOUBLE THE APPLICATION RATE. NOW THERE'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE TO BUYING THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. SOME OF THE LAND OUT THERE AT THE CEDAR BREAKS COULD BE IRRIGATED WITH GROUND IRRIGATION, AND I'M ESTIMATING, AND THESE ARE MY ESTIMATES THAT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE 3 TO 5 TIMES AS MUCH PIPE, NOT THE SAME SIZE, BUT AS MUCH PIPE AND DITCHES, AND PROBABLY 4 TO 8 TIMES AS MANY IRRIGATION HEAD AND SOLENOID CONTROL VALVES TO PUT A GROUND IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN TO CONTINUE EXPANDING OUR TI LABS. IF WE WANT TO GO UP TO THE 1.5. HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO STOP AT YOUR WATER CANNONS, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY CHEAP FOR BANG FOR THE BUCK, BUT YOU COULD GO WITH A HIGH K VALUE BASIC IRRIGATION SYSTEM OVER AT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE FOR PROBABLY A QUARTER OF THE COST THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO IRRIGATE THE SAME LAND OUT THERE AT THE CEDAR BREAKS, YOU JUST KICK THAT DOWN THE ROAD TO WHERE, WHEN THEY NEED IT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. BUT YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY WISELY AND GET THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK BY MOVING THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE AHEAD OF ANY GROUND. IRRIGATION OUT AT CEDAR BREAKS, THEY'LL SAVE THE CITY A HUGE AMOUNT OF
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MONEY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. STEWART. I HAD ONE QUESTION BASED OFF OF THAT BECAUSE I HAD YOU KNOW, I WAS LCRA SENT ME THAT PREVIOUS GRANT THAT THEY WE HELPED UTILIZE TO BUILD THE STORAGE TANK WITH JONESTOWN AS WELL. MY QUESTION FOR BRAD IS, AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS PART OF THAT IT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO SPREAD EFFLUENT DISPERSAL. DOES THAT ANYTHING DOES THAT DOES THAT HOLD UP OVER TIME? YOU KNOW, WE USE GRANT MONEY. WE GOT MONEY UP THROUGH JONESTOWN OVER TIME THAT'S GOT LOST. IF IT WERE TO BE BOUGHT AND USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE, WOULD THEY BE IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING WITH THE CITY, OWE THAT MONEY BACK WITH JONESTOWN, HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE CITY MAYOR? I'D REALLY WANT TO REVIEW SOME DOCUMENTS BEFORE I COULD OFFER ANY KIND OF YOU KNOW, WHAT I FELT LIKE WOULD BE A RELIABLE OPINION. I'VE NOT SEEN THAT. SO CERTAINLY I'D WANT TO LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, ANYTIME WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT ANYTIME GRANT MONEY IS INVOLVED, YOU NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF OF USES AND EXPENDITURES RELATED TO IT BECAUSE IT COMES WITH THOSE LIMITING FACTORS. BUT BEYOND THAT, I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A MORE DEFINITE OPINION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANY DOCUMENTS.MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS ON MY WATCH. OKAY, SO LET'S GO WITH THE LCRA GRANT FIRST.
THE LCRA, I THINK WE MADE IT ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE TEN YEAR REPORTING PERIOD BEFORE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM WAS SHUT DOWN. SO BASICALLY, WE HAVE FIVE MORE YEARS OF REPORTS TO DO TO PROVE THAT WE'RE PUTTING EFFLUENT ON THE THE GOLF COURSE, AND WE COMPLETE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GRANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT ERNESTO IS WORKING ON RESOLVING THIS ISSUE, WHICH IS PROBABLY A REAL DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SPREADING EFFLUENT. BUT WHAT THEY TOLD THE CITY, THE MAYOR AND ME, WAS THAT IF WE FAIL TO COMPLETE THE TEN YEARS APPLICATION AND THEREFORE PROVE THAT WE PUT OUT THE AMOUNT OF EFFLUENT THAT THEY WERE GIVING US CREDIT FOR, THAT THEY WOULD JUST SIMPLY TAKE BACK A PORTION OF THE GRANT. NOW, WITH THE CITY OF LAGO, WITH THE CITY OF JONESTOWN, WHEN THE MAYOR NEGOTIATED THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM IN THE IN THAT CONTRACT, IT STATES THAT FOR THIS ONE IMPROVEMENT, THE CITY OF JONESTOWN HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF EFFLUENT ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM ACCESS TO THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE. IT STRICTLY SAID THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. SO. AND I WOULD HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH MY NOTES OR MY CALENDARS TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHEN THAT OCCURRED. BUT THERE IS A CONTRACT. THE GRANT IS SEPARATE FROM THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, AND THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONSEQUENCES. BUT BASICALLY, IF YOU BUY THE COURSE AND WE REGAIN POSSESSION OF THE GROUND STORAGE TANK AND THE PUMP BUILDING, THEN WE'RE BACK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OLD CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF JONESTOWN. SO YOU'RE FIXING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN BROKEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS WHO EMAILED IN AND ASKED THAT THEY HAVE THEIR COMMENTS READ IN. FIRST ONE I HAVE HERE IS BRANDY LEBLANC. DEAR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF LAGO VISTA CITY COUNCIL, DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED PURCHASE OF THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE CONTINUE. I'VE COME TO ACCEPT THAT THE CITY MAY ULTIMATELY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY. WHILE I ORIGINALLY HOPED FOR A DIFFERENT OUTCOME, I REALIZED THAT THE $1.2 MILLION CONTRACT HAS ALREADY BEEN SIGNED BY THE SELLER AND THAT CITY MANAGER CHARLES WEST HAS ALREADY DECIDED IN FAVOR OF THE PURCHASE, EVEN THOUGH THE AGENDA PACKET HE PROVIDED GAVE ALL THE REASONS NOT TO BUY THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME TRYING TO PERSUADE YOU TO VOTE NO, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MINDS. INSTEAD, MY FOCUS NOW IS ENSURING THAT THIS PURCHASE IS MADE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THE PROPERTY IS RESTORED, MAINTAINED AND PROTECTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMITMENTS AS PART OF THE PURCHASE AND PUBLICLY ADOPT THEM THROUGH CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION OR OTHER FORMAL ACTION. LAND PRESERVATION. COMMIT TO MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT G ONE GOLF COURSE ZONING AND PRESERVE THE LAND AS OPEN SPACE AND GOLF COURSE. ANY FUTURE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE ZONING OR PRIMARY USE WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE CONSIDERATION. IMMEDIATE PROPERTY RESTORATION WITHIN THE FIRST 30 TO 60 DAYS AFTER CLOSING, I ASK THAT THE CITY. MO. CAN YOU READ THIS JUST A LITTLE SLOWER? I'M TRYING TO.
SORRY. I'M TRYING TO WRITE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTS. I WAS TRYING TO FIT IT IN UNDER THE THREE MINUTES THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD GET. IT'S GOING TO BE LONGER THAN THAT, BUT MOW THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND ESTABLISH A REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE AND POST THAT SCHEDULE LIKE YOU POST THE TRASH AND RECYCLING SCHEDULE, RESTORE IRRIGATION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO DAMAGE SPRINKLER HEADS, BROKEN LINES, AND DRY AREAS CAN BE IDENTIFIED AND
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REPAIRED. REMOVE ALL DEAD, HAZARDOUS AND DISEASED TREES. TRIM TREES BORDERING CART PATHS AND WALKING AREAS TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND APPEARANCE. REMOVE ALL EXISTING NO TRESPASSING SIGNS SO RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOW PUBLIC PROPERTY SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. AS PUBLIC PROPERTY, THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE SITE SAFE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.I ASK THAT CITY REPAIR DAMAGE CART PATHS THAT PRESENT TRIPPING HAZARDS, REPAIR UNSAFE BRIDGES, DRAINAGE CROSSINGS AND OTHER DETERIORATED INFRASTRUCTURE AS NEEDED.
MAINTAIN SAFE WALKING ROUTES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. SANDBAR AND TURF RESTORATION ONE OF THE MOST PRESSING CONCERNS FOR ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS IS THE SEVERE SAMBA SAMBA INFESTATION THAT HAS SPREAD FROM THE NEGLECTED GOLF COURSE INTO SURROUNDING YARDS.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY IMPLEMENT AN AGGRESSIVE SAND ERADICATION PROGRAM USING BOTH PRE AND POST EMERGENT TREATMENTS. CONTINUE TREATMENT UNTIL THE INFESTATION HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. RESTORE HEALTHY TURF BY OVERSEEDING OR SPRIGGING BERMUDA GRASS, WHERE APPROPRIATE TO HELP CROWD OUT INVASIVE WEEDS AND PREVENT FUTURE INFESTATIONS. TREE REPLACEMENT AS DEAD TREES ARE REMOVED, I ASK THAT THE CITY UTILIZE AVAILABLE TREE FUNDS TO REPLACE THEM WITH APPROPRIATE NATIVE OR DROUGHT TOLERANT SHADE TREES THAT WILL ENHANCE THE BEAUTY OF THE PROPERTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE THIS PURCHASE REPRESENTS A SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC INVESTMENT, AS THE CITY PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH A 90 DAY RESTORATION PLAN, A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT PLAN, A FIVE YEAR MASTER PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, ESTIMATED BUDGETS FOR RESTORATION AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE. QUARTERLY PUBLIC PROGRESS REPORTS DURING THE FIRST YEAR. ALL THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE SHARED ON THE WEBSITE, NOT JUST AS A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT SHOULD BE INFORMATION THAT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE. THESE UPDATES WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTS TO SEE HOW TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE BEING INVESTED, AND BUILD CONFIDENCE THAT THE PROPERTIES BEING RESPONSIBLY MANAGED. ALTHOUGH OPINIONS DIFFER REGARDING THE PURCHASE ITSELF, I BELIEVE WE ALL SHARE THE SAME GOAL OF SEEING THIS PROPERTY BECOME AN ATTRACTIVE, SAFE AND WELL MAINTAINED ASSET FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND IN THE FUTURE, GOLF COURSE ONCE MORE. ONCE IT BECOMES CITY OWNED LAND, IT SHOULD REFLECT THE PRIDE THAT LAGO VISTA RESIDENTS TAKE IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE HERE FROM. MISS LITA. GUY SAYS I OPPOSE THE PURCHASE OF THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. OUR CITY MANAGER HAS CATEGORICALLY STATED WE DON'T NEED IT FOR ADDITIONAL AFFLUENT DISPERSAL. HIS QUARTERLY CIP REPORT STATES THE CITY DOES NOT PLAN TO INCREASE CAPACITY AT OUR WASTEWATER PLANT, SO LOGICALLY, MEANING NO INCREASE IN AFFLUENT, WE WOULD LOSE SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE, NOT TO MENTION INCREASED MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COSTS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET.
AND THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT EVEN PROVIDES REASONS NOT TO DO IT. THIS WASN'T EVEN IN THE BUDGET, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE PRESSING NEEDS REGARDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS JUST FEELS LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. OKAY. A EMAIL FROM STEVEN CRAFT. IF YOU CHECK YOUR EMAIL ON THAT, IT WAS JUST RECEIVED ABOUT 5:00. OKAY. I'M NOT FINDING IF YOU WANT TO READ IT. OKAY. OKAY. FROM STEVEN L CRAFTS RECEIVED AT 5:12 P.M. THE HIGHLAND GOLF ACQUISITION IS FRAUD ON TAXPAYERS AND MUST STOP. WE ARE NOT A REIT OR A REIT. PROTECT YOUR TAXPAYER, STEVEN CRAFT. OKAY, I GOT DUSTIN MARTIN. HOW Y'ALL DOING COUNSEL? MY NAME IS DUSTIN. I LIVE ON HOLE 11 OF THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR THE CITY TO PURCHASE THIS GOLF COURSE, BECAUSE THE CURRENT OPERATOR OBVIOUSLY CANNOT TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF AND IT'D BE NICE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NICE GREEN SPACE IN THE BACK, WHETHER IT'S A GOLF COURSE OR NOT. SO I'M FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS GOLF COURSE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT I WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M THRILLED. I THINK THERE'S A KIND OF A COMMON THEME THAT'S COMING UP HERE. BUT AS FOR THOSE THAT WATCH THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, Y'ALL KNOW FIRST AND FOREMOST, MY FOCUS ON MAKING SURE LONG TERM THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS. EXCEEDINGLY IMPORTANT TO ME, BECAUSE IT ALSO MEANS THE FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS CITY. RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE CAN MAKE A RELATIVELY MODEST INVESTMENT TODAY, USING EXISTING FUNDS TO INCREASE OUR WASTEWATER CAPACITY, RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL WE'RE FORCED INTO A MUCH LARGER CAPITAL PROJECT. IF WE GAIN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WITHOUT INCREASING TAXES, IT MAY ALLOW US TO POSTPONE THE NEED FOR A FUTURE BOND ISSUE THAT RIGHT NOW IS
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ESTIMATED TO BE IN THE RANGE OF 50 TO $20 MILLION. LARGE INFRASTRUCTURES ALSO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT PLANNING, ENGINEERING, PERMITTING, FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION.THEY CAN'T BE BUILT OVERNIGHT IF GROWTH AND NEW UTILITY CONNECTIONS INCREASE MORE QUICKLY THAN ANTICIPATED, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OURSELVES NEEDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BEFORE A MAJOR EXPANSION COULD REALISTICALLY BE COMPLETED, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO BUY LAND OUTSIDE THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA AND TO CREATE PIPES TO THAT LAND TO MAKE IT USEFUL. IF A SMALLER INVESTMENT TODAY PROVIDES MEANINGFUL ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND EXTENDS THE LIFE OF OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE TIME FOR THOUGHTFUL PLANNING, REDUCE THE PRESSURE TO ISSUE DEBT PREMATURELY, AND HELP AVOID PLACING UNNECESSARY TAX BURDENS ON OUR RESIDENTS WHILE STILL PREPARING US FOR OUR CITY'S FUTURE. THIS IS CURRENT MONEY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND WHETHER OR NOT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION OUT ON THE ON FACEBOOK, ETC. AS TO WHAT OUR MOTIVES ARE. OUR MOTIVES ARE TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF LAGO VISTA WHILE MAKING SURE THAT IT IS FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE AND THAT WE CAN FLUSH OUR TOILETS IN THE END TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I AM FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. MR. PRINCE. SO A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. AND, MR. STEWART, I FOUND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID TO BE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY LET ME BEFORE THAT, LET ME BACK UP, REWIND ALL THE WAY TO THE BEGINNING. FIRST OF ALL, SAY THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE CHARACTERIZED THIS AS IF THE CITY MANAGER IS KIND OF GONE ROGUE ON, ON PUSHING THIS. THAT IS SO FAR FROM THE REALITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE. I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. CITY MANAGER WAS MADE AWARE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY AND BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL, SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH IT? AND WE SAID, WELL, WE SHOULD CHECK IT OUT. AND BECAUSE IT WAS A REAL ESTATE PURCHASE, THE STANDARD PRACTICE THAT CITIES EVERYWHERE GO THROUGH IS YOU DON'T YOU DON'T DIVULGE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT A REAL ESTATE PURCHASE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING TO PUBLIC, BECAUSE THEN THE PERSON WHO'S TRYING TO SELL IT TO YOU HAS INSIDE INFORMATION AND CAN, YOU KNOW, PUSH YOU FOR A HIGHER PRICE. SO, SO WE WALKED SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY THROUGH IT. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE DECISION AND AT EVERY PHASE OF THE, OF THE DECISION, THE DISCUSSION. MISTER, MISTER WEST HAS COME IN AND SAID, HERE'S THE DATA I HAVE AS OF TODAY. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO NOW? AND SO WE PROCEEDED TO THE POINT WE ARE TODAY AND SAID, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, BEFORE WE COUNCIL MAKE A DECISION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULL PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND LET EVERYBODY WEIGH IN ON IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL, BUT CERTAINLY MISTER WEST IN PARTICULAR, HAS ACTED IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY ON THIS. SO ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND HERE IS CAN WE DISTRIBUTE? I THINK WE ON COUNCIL HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON THIS PROPERTY OR SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY DISTRIBUTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO IF WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DO WE HAVE TO OWN IT IN ORDER TO DO THAT? AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS SOMETHING IT'S KIND OF A GRAY ZONE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE HAVE THESE CONTRACTS, WE HAVE THESE RIGHTS. THERE'S THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE COULD DO IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM MR. STEWART IS, YOU KNOW, THE CASE HISTORY SAYS IF THE CITY DOESN'T OWN IT, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT DON'T KEEP THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN CONDITION SO THAT WHEN WE NEED IT, IT'S READY TO GO AND WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GET THERE. SO, SO, AND I TAKE PRETTY SERIOUSLY WHAT I YOU DIDN'T EXPLICITLY SAY IT, MR. STEWART, BUT I. OR MAYBE YOU DID. YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE CITY MAKING THIS THIS PURCHASE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD. OKAY. SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT US OWNING IT AND HAVING FREEDOM OF ACTION THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REQUIRE LEGAL ACTION IN ORDER TO, TO, TO TAKE THAT CARRIES SOME WEIGHT. THE, THE, THERE'S A SIDE EFFECT OF US POTENTIALLY OWNING THIS. IT SAYS, OKAY, WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT UNTIL TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW ON THIS PROPERTY. WHAT COULD WE DO WITH IT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? RIGHT. AND SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO OUR PARK EXPERT, MISTER MONTGOMERY SCOTT. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IN HIS TIME THAT HE'S BEEN HERE IS HE'S
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BEEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE LAWS ON OUR PARKS. AND, AND FRANKLY, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA HAS BEEN KIND OF FAST AND LOOSE ON, ON, ON THINGS ON THE PARK. AND, AND HE'S, HE'S STRAIGHTENED US OUT ON THESE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO I ASKED HIM, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE COULD WE USE THIS AS A PARK, AS A TRAIL IN HIS FIRST PASS ANSWER WAS NOT IF WE'RE DISTRIBUTING EFFLUENT, IF YOU'RE DISTRIBUTING TYPE TWO EFFLUENT ON THIS LAND, YOU COULD YOU CAN'T DO A TRAIL. AND SO I SAID, WELL, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT ON THE GOLF COURSE? WELL, IT'S BECAUSE THE GOLF COURSE AT STATE LAW LEVEL HAS AN EXCEPTION. AND THE HOLE, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND HE CAN COME CORRECT ME IN A MINUTE HERE IF I MISTRANSLATED ANY OF THIS. THE WHOLE POINT IS, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS TO PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT ON THAT PROPERTY. HOWEVER, WHAT WHAT? WHEN HE AND I FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT THAT HE HADN'T REALIZED. NUMBER ONE WAS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DISTRIBUTING EFFLUENT FOR TEN OR MORE YEARS. WHAT COULD WE DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? WELL, WE CERTAINLY COULD DO TRAILS ON THAT PROPERTY. AND SO DO WE DO TRAILS FOR TEN YEARS AND SAY, OOPS, TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN. NOW WE'RE DOING EFFLUENT. WELL, IF IT'S TYPE ONE EFFLUENT, BY THE TIME WE WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THEIR, THEN THE TRAILS COULD STILL OPERATE, RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE IS A PARKS BENEFIT. AND I WAS LIAISON TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A WHILE. AND I KNOW THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE THRILLED TO HAVE A REALLY LARGE TRAIL. AND A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE TALKED ABOUT BIKES, EBIKES, AND HIKING. AND SO I THINK THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFIT. THE MOTIVATION, I THINK, FOR EVERYONE ON COUNCIL IS CLEAR THIS IS ABOUT DISTRIBUTING EFFLUENT, BUT I SEE THAT IF WE OWN IT AND WE HAVE A EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION PLAN, WE CAN ALSO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR SOME OTHER PRETTY GOOD, YOU KNOW, LIFE BENEFIT TO OUR TO OUR CITIZENS. ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE BEFORE CLOSING, I SAY BEFORE CLOSING, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY MADE A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT POINT IN MY MIND, AND THAT IS THAT WHILE RIGHT NOW THIS IS ZONED AS GOLF COURSE, ANY CITY COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE COULD, UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, COULD SAY, OH, WE'RE CHANGING OUR MINDS AND WE'RE GOING TO REZONE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT. AND HOWEVER, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, THAT IF IN ADDITION TO PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY, THE CITY WERE TO TAKE ACTION TO DESIGNATE IT AS PARKLAND, THEN THAT PUTS IT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY WHERE A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL CAN'T, BY A VOTE OF MAJORITY OF SEVEN PEOPLE, CHANGE THE ZONING ON IT.IT WOULD HAVE TO GO A VOTE OF CITIZENS TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON IT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOME PRETTY SOLID PROTECTION THAT THIS LAND WON'T GET LATER DEVELOPED. AND SO ALL THOSE THINGS ADDED TOGETHER, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS GOOD USE OF MONEY. IT'S LONG TERM THINKING. IT'S BUILDING A PLAN THAT OUR CITIZENS TEN, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. AND WHOEVER THE CITY STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL ARE AT THAT TIME WILL SAY, THOSE GUYS DID IT RIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR THING. THEY MAY HAVE MADE A LOT OF OTHER MISTAKES BACK THEN IN 2016, BUT THIS ONE THEY GOT RIGHT. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS. MR. PENFIELD. THANK YOU. SOME OF MY POINTS ARE JUST FOR SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THERE WAS TWO SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE'VE HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. ONE WAS THE IRRIGATION DISTRIBUTION SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE. WE SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS, LIKE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS READ TO ME IS, WHY BUY THE COW WHEN YOU CAN GET THE MILK FOR FREE? AND BASICALLY THE ASSUMPTION WAS, IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS LAND AND WE CAN DISTRIBUTE THE WATER ON THIS LAND, WHY DO WE NEED TO BUY THE WHY DO WE NEED TO BUY THE LAND? SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE REASONS WHY THAT ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY DELINEATE FROM SOME COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID. I'M JUST NOT GOING TO REPEAT THEM. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THAT CITY COUNCIL SOMEHOW DID ALL THIS ACTION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I THINK PRINCE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THE DEAL, MAKING SURE IT'S TO THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. AND THEN THERE WAS UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS AMONG CITY COUNCIL THAT BEFORE WE SIGN THE CONTRACT, WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE CITY FOR EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS. AND SO, YES, THERE WAS SOME PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENTION NOT TO INCLUDE THE CITY. IN FACT, EVERYBODY SAID
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IN THESE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE THIS MEETING. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. BUT AS IT'S BEEN STATED, WE ARE GOING TO NEED THIS LAND.CURRENT PRODUCTION PREDICTIONS PUT IT AROUND 2040. AS PRINCE MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A DAY THAT PEOPLE SAY AT LEAST THEY GOT SOMETHING RIGHT. ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED IS WE HAVE A POND ISSUE WHERE WE NEED MORE PONDS AND PONDS ARE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN. AND THIS PROPERTY JUST SO HAPPENED, COMES WITH PONDS ON IT. AND BASED ON SOME OF THE INITIAL FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD ANY MORE PONDS. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT OR NESTO CORRECT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT POND CAPACITY FOR US, WHICH IS JUST A HUGE VICTORY, AS MR. STEWART POINTED OUT, IF WE DIDN'T BUY THIS LAND AND WE SAID, HEY, LET'S NOT DO THIS, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT LAND 7 TO 11 MILES AWAY FROM HERE. RIGHT? AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUY LAND 7 TO 11 MILES AWAY, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, RUN A 12 INCH WATER LINE SEVEN MILES OR 11 MILES TO THAT LAND THROUGH THE HILL COUNTRY WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLE IN THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PUT IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN, THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD COST. HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE IS JUST RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF POND 17. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT TRUNK LINE RUNNING OVER THERE. IT'S JUST A VALVE THAT WE HAVE TO OPEN AND IT'S ALREADY IT'S ALREADY THERE. SO IT'S JUST A HUGE VALUE. I ALREADY READ THE PERMIT NUMBER FROM 2003. THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY THAT THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET A NEW PERMIT FOR NEW LAND 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF WORK, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE PERMIT. IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. IT'S DESIGNATED FOR THIS, FOR THIS LAND. MR. PRINCE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CONVERSION FROM TYPE TWO TO TYPE ONE. AS WE MAKE THAT CONVERSION, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS LAND UNBELIEVABLY USEFUL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND I SUPPORT 100%. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO IS SEND THIS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND LET'S START HAVING THE CONVERSATION OF GETTING THIS THING REZONED PARK LAND, TO JUST ADD THAT LAYER OF PROTECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT NO DEVELOPMENT CAN EVER OCCUR HERE AND THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FOR MY WIFE POINTED OUT, FOR A CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO HAVE 111 ACRES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND WALK THEIR DOGS AND JUST BE AWAY FROM THE CARS IS A REALLY GREAT ASSET. ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE NO DEVELOPER CAN EVER CIRCUMVENT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S ONE THING I KNOW, LAWYERS KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND RULES, AND WE THINK THAT THEY CAN'T EVER DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LAND UNTIL SOMEBODY SHOWS UP ONE DAY AND SAYS, OH, BY THE WAY, I'VE GOT A WORKAROUND. IF WE OWN IT, WE CONTROL IT. IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE, IF IF IT'S DETERMINED FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE MADE A MISTAKE IN BUYING IT, GUESS WHAT? WE CAN SELL IT. IT'S 111 ACRES OF PRIME PROPERTY THAT COULD BE SOLD IF WE EVER MADE THE MISTAKE. SO I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT AS A LOSS. EVEN IF WE MADE A MISTAKE, IT STILL HAS AN INTRINSIC VALUE BECAUSE IT'S 111 ACRES IN THE CENTER OF OUR THE CITY. ONE THING THAT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE MONEY BEING USED TO PAY FOR IT IS NOT REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED FROM TAXES. IT WAS REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE SALE OF A PROPERTY THAT MUST BE USED TO ACQUIRE NEW PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER, IT JUST IT BECOMES AN ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER PURCHASE. AND I'M COMPLETELY FOR IT 100%.
MR. HALL. WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH ALL THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. AND THIS ONE IS KIND OF A MINOR IN IN COMPARISON, BUT THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED. WE'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF CITIZENS OR MORE ABOUT THAT. THE CITY'S BEEN FORCED TO MOW IT BECAUSE OF THAT IN THE PAST. AND AND IT'S STILL NOT BEING MAINTAINED. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FURTHER LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT PROPERLY MAINTAINED AS IT SHOULD BE. MR. AVERILL SO WHILE EVERYONE IS
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STATING THAT THIS MONEY IS ALREADY KIND OF IN OUR COFFERS, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MAINTAINING RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP, MAINTENANCE, SECURITY, DRAINAGE, LONG TERM PUBLIC PURPOSE USES THAT IS GOING TO BE A COST TO THE CITY. BUT THE TRADE OFF IS SO MUCH MORE. SO THAT'S WHY I AM IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THIS. WITH THE CITY, BENEFITS COMPLETELY OUTWEIGH ANY NEGATIVE RESPONSES I'VE SEEN OR EVEN MISINFORMATION I'VE SEEN FROM FROM MISINFORMED CONSTITUENTS. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR BRAD. THERE IS IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY MATERIAL DEFECTS TO THIS. WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM TITLE I, I WONDER IF THAT SHOULDN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL RATHER THAN JUST BE A BLANKET APPROVAL FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AS, AS, AS IT READS NOW, IT SAID THERE'S THERE IS A WAY THAT IT SAYS, LET ME GO BACK UP HERE. MY NOTES. IT SAYS MATERIAL CLOSING MATTERS. SO I WANT MATERIAL TITLE ACCESS, ENVIRONMENTAL OR SAFETY OR SURVEY CONCERNS. I DON'T WANT THOSE REALLY WAIVED WITHOUT COUNCIL BEING INFORMED ABOUT THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY RESERVATIONS I HAVE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS IS YEAH, I THINK I THINK IN CHARLES NODDING HIS HEAD, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT YOUR 30 DAY, RIGHT? YEAH. DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. AND SO IF ANYTHING COMES BACK AMISS IN YOU KNOW, THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. I MEAN, BEFORE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, IT, IT ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE LIKE ANY OTHER BUYER IS THIS, DO WE WAIVE THIS? DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO ANSWER.RIGHT? THERE WAS A, I THINK THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS A, SOME ISSUES ABOUT SATISFACTORY OR SATISFYING SOME WAIVERS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE BROUGHT BACK SO THAT THAT'S BASICALLY THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT ON THAT. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE VOICEMAILS AND IN PASSING AND LOWE'S AND BROOKSHIRE BROTHERS, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED TO ME IS THAT IF THERE WAS A SECONDARY LIEN OR IF THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH OTHER FUNDING OR INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WE WOULD RUN INTO SOME ISSUES. SO YEAH, ANY, ANY, ANY TITLE CONCERNS THAT ARE THAT ARE TURNED UP DURING THE, THE, THE, THE TITLE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. WHEN IS IT YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THE 30 DAYS WOULD RUN OUT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, SO I MEAN IT WOULD BE ON THAT NEXT MEETING. ONE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT I HAD SEEN SOME MENTION OF WONDERING WHY WE DID NOT HAVE A REAL ESTATE AGENT REPRESENTING US. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS PROPERTY. AND A TITLE COMPANY WILL BASICALLY CLEAR UP ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE REGARDING THAT. AND WE DON'T WANT TO. THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE PAYING 5% TO A REAL ESTATE AGENCY WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED WITH THIS INFORMATION. SO THEY BASICALLY CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT GOING ON. IT WASN'T US SAYING, SENDING A REAL ESTATE AGENCY OUT THERE SAYING, HEY, FIND US SOME PROPERTY. IN THAT CASE, YEAH, OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO PAY THAT PERCENTAGE. THERE'S NO WAY WE REALLY NEEDED TO DO THAT IN THIS INSTANCE. SO FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING, WONDERING WHY WE'RE NOT BEING REPRESENTED BY A REAL ESTATE COMPANY, AND THIS IS THE REASON, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT LAST PART. THAT WASN'T MY RECOLLECTION THAT THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO US. IT WAS THAT IT WAS POSTED PUBLICLY ONLINE, THAT IT WAS FOR SALE. AND CHARLES, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU DID READ AND SEE THAT IT WAS FOR SALE, AND THEY HAD DROPPED THE PRICE DOWN TO 1.2 MILLION WHEN IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN 2.4. THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION OF HOW IT CAME TO THE CITY. DID SOMEBODY ELSE DID MR. CHOI COME DIRECTLY TO THE CITY? I DON'T REMEMBER, I JUST REMEMBER WHEN IT POPPED UP.
I GAVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION AND WAS INSTRUCTED TO EXPLORE THE OPTIONS. OKAY, WELL, YEAH, I GUESS I'LL GO INTO SORT OF MY SPIEL ON IT. I THINK THERE'S TWO MAIN REASONS WHY I OPPOSED THIS PURCHASE. THE FIRST IS TO NOT TALK ABOUT THE POLICY OF THIS AT ALL. IT'S JUST THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW WHAT BROUGHT ME TO RUN FOR COUNCIL? WHEN I FIRST CAME TO LARGO, I CAME TO A MEETING JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU. AND SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD, I THOUGHT THAT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL. THAT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS VERY VETTED. THAT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS VERY THOUGHT OUT. I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES. I HAVE, AGAIN,
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A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPERTY. I MY RECOLLECTION IS WE SAW IT FOR SALE. WE SAID, HEY, WE GOT THIS REAL ESTATE FUND THAT WE JUST TRIED TO USE TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT THE CASEY BUILDING THAT DIDN'T GO FORWARD. SO WHAT ELSE CAN WE SPEND THIS MONEY ON? AND IT WAS SAID THAT THIS WAS A CHEAPER PRICE THAN WE'D EVER SEEN BEFORE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ANSWERED WHY TODAY, JULY 16TH, IS THIS AN ACTION ITEM? THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE FOR MANY YEARS. I THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE FOR SALE. POSSIBLY. I DID ACTUALLY HEAR FROM WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE THE REALTOR FOR MR. TROY. HE WAS NOT HAPPY TO NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS, BUT HE DID SAY IN THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES HAVE COME FORWARD TO TRY TO BUY IT, TO MAKE IT A GOLF COURSE. SO THERE IS INTEREST TO MAKE THIS A GOLF COURSE. BUT THEY COULDN'T GET PAST IS IT WASN'T DISCLOSED TO THEM AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THEY STARTED THE PROCESS THAT THE SECOND PARCEL WAS SOLD TO THE LIMBS. AND SO ONCE THAT PART WAS TOLD THAT, HEY, THIS OTHER PARCELS BEEN SPLIT OFF, THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO COME BACK FROM THAT. SO THEY WERE STILL TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT. THEY HOPED THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO. BUT NOW THE CITY HAS JUMPED IN AND SHOWN INTEREST. AND SO ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES THAT WAS INTERESTED IN BUYING IT AS A GOLF COURSE HAS REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID, IF THE CITY GOES FORWARD AND BUYS THIS, WOULD YOU POSSIBLY TURN RIGHT BACK AROUND AND CONSIDER SELLING IT TO US OR LEASING IT TO US? NOW THAT THAT PROBLEM WITH THE LIMB PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT UP? THE SECOND PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE PROCESS IS TONIGHT, THAT PRESENTATION I DO APPRECIATE, CHARLES, IS THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT I'VE SEEN ON THIS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS HAS ALL BEEN VERY VERBAL. HEY, I WANT TO BUY THE HIGHLAND LAKES COURSE. LET'S LOOK AT DOING IT. SURE. GO AHEAD. DO IT. HERE WE ARE. I LOOK IN THE PACKET TONIGHT. THERE'S NO CONTRACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHO ON THIS COUNCIL HAS READ THE CONTRACTS. I GOT THEM BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THEM, I SAW THEM. THERE WERE MULTIPLE ERRORS THROUGHOUT IT THAT I THINK I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF. CHARLES AND BRAD. HAVE WE CORRECTED SOME OF THOSE? I'LL READ YOU A FEW OF THOSE. SO FOR THOSE THAT I THINK IT WAS ALREADY CLARIFIED, THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO PURCHASES. YOU GOT THE PURCHASE OF THE 109 ACRES. THAT'S THE ACTUAL 18 HOLES THEMSELVES. YOU HAVE THE PURCHASE OF THE TWO ACRES THAT'S OWNED BY VANESSA ESPARZA LIM. THAT'S WHERE ACTUALLY ALL THE AFFLUENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, THERE'S AN EXHIBIT A ON BOTH OF THEM. THE EXHIBIT A IS EXACTLY THE SAME.I THINK THEY COPIED OVER THE EXHIBIT A FROM THE 20406 EARHART LANE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE 18 HOLES. BUT IF YOU GO ON TCAD AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS, THERE IS AN ADDRESS FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY FOR THE LIM PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENT PROPERTY ID FOR THAT ON TCAD. THE SURVEY ITSELF ALSO IDENTIFIES IT AS A DIFFERENT ADDRESS. THE SURVEY ITSELF ALSO HAS POTENTIALLY A A ADDRESS ERROR. IT SAYS 0501 EARHART. I THINK IT'S 50501 EARHART, BUT WE CAN CHECK THAT OUT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD AND NOBODY HERE HAS READ THE CONTRACT, IF WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACTS IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE AND THAT WE'RE USING THE PROPER PROPERTY IDS. AND THEN I DID WANT TO ASK BRAD THE QUESTION THAT CHARLES DID ASK. YOU SAID THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH DID THE CURRENT OWNER, MR. CHOI, EVEN LEGALLY GO THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS TO DIVIDE UP THIS PROPERTY? HE CREATED A 2.032 ACRE PARCEL THAT WAS SEPARATED OUT AND ENTERED INTO A SALE WITH THIS PERSON IN MARCH. IS THERE ANY LEGAL CONCERN YOU HAVE WITH THAT PROCESS? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? YOU CAN JUST DIVIDE UP AND SELL IT OUT.
IS THAT GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL TITLE PROBLEM FOR US IN THE FUTURE? WHAT IS THE CHARLES WAS CONCERNED ABOUT? WELL, ULTIMATELY THAT'S A QUESTION THAT TITLE WILL ANSWER AND AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE CITY BE GETTING TITLE TO IF IT CONSUMMATED THIS PURCHASE? AND IT MAY IT MAY COME BACK THAT THAT THERE ARE DEFECTS IN THAT CONVEYANCE. I HAVE NOT I'VE NOT REVIEWED THE THE PRIVATE PARTY CONVEYANCE TO A YOU KNOW THAT THAT I I'VE NOT LOOKED AT THAT. BUT IF THERE ARE IF THAT DOES PUT A CLOUD ON THE TITLE, THEN THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD PUT IT BACK ON.
YOU KNOW, IF DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S ACTION, AN IDEA WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT YOU DO TO MOVE FORWARD. IF THERE WERE A CLOUD ON THAT TITLE, I CAN'T TELL YOU FOR SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY A TITLE COMPANY QUESTION, BUT BUT CERTAINLY IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT, THAT THAT PORTION OF THE TRANSACTION COULD CREATE A CLOUD. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO WITH IT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD WOULD BE UP TO YOU. YOU CAN WAIVE THOSE ISSUES OR YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, TERMINATE THE CONTRACT. YEAH. AND I'M STILL JUST TALKING ABOUT POLICY.
I'M NOT POLICY, JUST THE PROCESS. SO BACK TO THE PROCESS. I STILL DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT SOUNDS TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS ENTIRE PURCHASE IS THAT PARCEL. THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE AFFLUENT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE COULD HAVE GONE IF WE HAD A REALTOR, WE COULD HAVE A REALTOR ACTUALLY GO AND NEGOTIATE THE PRICE WITH THAT
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PERSON. WE NEVER NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. APPARENTLY, WE LET ALEX CHOI, THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE 18 HOLES. HE MADE THAT NEGOTIATION FOR US. THAT'S $485,000 THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE GOT FOR LESS. I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN THAT'S GOING TO BUY THAT PROPERTY. NO ONE'S GOING TO BUY A PROPERTY WITH ALL THE AFFLUENT INFRASTRUCTURE ON IT AND TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE DEMAND. I THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD A MUCH STRONGER LEVERAGE POINT THERE. POSSIBLY GOT THAT PORTION FOR LESS, IF THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE DEED, IT WASN'T THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY ANALYSIS FROM MR. FROM FROM BRAD UNTIL TODAY. NOT SAYING THAT BRAD DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING. IT JUST WASN'T REQUESTED TILL THE END. SO AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE A DECISION WAS MADE AT THE BEGINNING. WE'VE GOT THIS MONEY BURNING A HOLE IN OUR POCKET FOR SOME REASON, AND WE WANT TO SPEND IT. WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES COURSE. NOW LET'S GO FIND ALL THE REASONS WHY WE SHOULD JUSTIFY THAT WE BOUGHT IT. THAT'S WHAT'S GOTTEN THE CITY INTO TROUBLE YEAR AFTER YEAR. I THINK FOR THIS COUNCIL, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS WILL BE YOUR MANSION, THAT PEOPLE WILL COME BACK SOMEDAY AND SAY, YOU REALLY JUMPED ON SOMETHING WITHOUT THINKING IT THROUGH AND YOU DIDN'T NEED TO. SO NOW I'LL GO TO THE POLICY PART OF IT AGAIN. YOU CAN ALREADY SPREAD THE AFFLUENT ON IT NOW. I MEAN, WE CAN GO IN THERE, WE CAN FIX THE EQUIPMENT, WE CAN DO IT. AT NO POINT IS ANYONE SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY. THIS ARGUMENT THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT THE FUTURE ZONING OF IT, THIS CAME UP AFTER THE FACT THAT DECISION TO GO FORWARD, TO HAVE CHARLES GO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM WAS MADE BEFORE I EVER HEARD THAT ARGUMENT. NOW, TO BE FAIR, I WAS ON MY HONEYMOON WHEN I THINK THE FINAL DECISION IN THE BACK WAS MADE TO GO FORWARD AND OFFICIALLY DO IT. SO MAYBE IT WAS SAID DURING THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I WASN'T THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ARGUMENT UNTIL VERY RECENTLY BECAUSE I THINK CITIZENS HAVE MADE A GOOD A GOOD EFFORT TO GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ASK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS. AND NOW THESE ARE BEING ANSWERED WHEN THOSE SHOULD BE ANSWERED UP FRONT. IF THIS WAS A PRIVATE ENTITY, IF WE WERE A BUSINESS THAT WAS IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PROPOSED PRIOR TO ALL THIS. IT'S GONE COMPLETELY BACKWARDS, SO THE CITY JUST DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE LEARNING ITS LESSONS. AND SO I THINK FOR THOSE REASONS, I CAN'T VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS. I ALSO AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.THERE IS A HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE FACEBOOK PAGE WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON IT. THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SPOKE UP AGAINST THIS. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COURSE WANT TO SEE IT BE A GOLF COURSE. THEY THINK THAT'S THE BEST EFFORT, BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP HERE TODAY. WE DID GET A LITTLE BIT. I DO APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE SHOWED UP, BUT I REALLY WISH THAT THE OTHERS DID BECAUSE IT'S MY SENTIMENT. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I NOW LIVE ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE AND THIS WOULD BENEFIT ME. I ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING MODE OF IT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I CAN'T DO IT AND AGREE TO IT IN THIS WAY. AND I THINK THAT IS THE SENTIMENT OF A LOT OF THE OTHERS. I THINK WHAT'S NOT BEEN SAID UP HERE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST CASE USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT THAT THE CITY EVER OWNS IT. THE BEST IS THAT SOME GOLF COURSE COMES OUT HERE, BUYS IT, RUNS IT. WE SPREAD A FLUID ON IT, AND WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT OR KEEP THE COST FOR IT. I STILL HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM STAFF. HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYERS EVERY YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROPERTY, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? WE ALREADY HERE ACROSS THE CITY THAT CODE COMPLIANCE IS A MAJOR ISSUE. THAT PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN THE ENTIRE CITY. AND SO NOW THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE THAT OVER. AND ALL THOSE CODE COMPLIANCE COMPLAINTS ARE GOING TO BE FROM OUR ACTION OR OUR MISS ACTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE FOR IT.
AND SO MY ASK IS THAT COUNCIL PAUSES, DOESN'T GO FORWARD THIS RIGHT NOW AND MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE FACTS AND FIGURE OUT THIS PLAN AND TALK TO SOME MORE CITIZENS. SO, MR. BENNEFIELD, YOU BRING UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M GOING TO CORRECT IS YOUR FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THE CATEGORIZATION THAT THERE WAS MONEY BURNING IN THE POCKET AND THAT THE ANSWER WAS, NO, LET'S NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE KC BUILDING. WELL, GEEZ, WHERE DO WE SPEND THIS MONEY? LET'S GO BUY THE GOLF COURSE. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT TRUE. WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. MR. WEST CAME TO US WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. ONE OF THOSE WAS THE KC BUILDING. ONE OF THOSE WAS THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE, AND ALL OF THOSE WERE PRESENTED AT THE EXACT SAME DAY. AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WAS, IS HE SAID, IN AN ORDER OF PRIORITY, WHICH ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT? AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US VOTED OR I SHOULDN'T SAY VOTED, THAT WAS THE WRONG WORD, SPOKE ABOUT WHAT WAS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR US, AND OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS WAS ENSURING THAT THE DISPERSAL OF OUR AFFLUENT WATER WAS TOP PRIORITY. AND THAT'S WHY AT THAT VERY MOMENT, WE LOOKED AT THIS BEING A VIABLE OPTION. AND THAT WAS BEFORE AND DURING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH KC BUILDING, THERE WAS PROBABILITIES THAT I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO POTENTIALLY BUY BOTH. AND IT WAS ONLY DURING THIS PROCESS DID COUNCIL DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE KC BUILDING, BUT WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GOLF COURSE UP TO THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT, THAT THAT THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD
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$100 IN OUR POCKET AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT SOMEWHERE. THAT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. BUT I THINK YOUR OTHER POINTS ARE VALID. I THINK THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO SOME OF THOSE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY OPINION ON THE VALIDITY OF, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE THIS THE OTWELL PROPERTY, I THINK IS A, IS A, AN UNFAIR. I JUST DON'T THINK OF THE COMPARISON IS THE SAME AS HAVING AN AIRBNB OR SOME KIND OF PROPERTY. YEAH. IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES, BUT I THINK IT'S OUR VERSION OF IT. AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL FLEDGED PLAN FOR THIS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DIVE IN AND BUY IT AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT AFTERWARDS. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME. AND AS FAR AS THE WE HAVE MONEY BURNING IN OUR HOLE, MAYBE THAT'S A CRASS WAY TO SAY IT, BUT TO MY THOUGHTS WERE I'VE STILL QUESTIONED. AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CHARLES. HOW DID WE EVEN BEGIN WITH THAT LIST FROM THE GET GO? WHY WAS THERE A LIST BROUGHT TO US ABOUT THE KC BUILDING, THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE? BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION IS AND THE TIMING OF THE POLICY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT CAME OUT OF LEFT FIELD. TO ME, THIS COUNCIL WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A CITY HALL. THIS COUNCIL WASN'T TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING A GOLF COURSE. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE GET OUR STAFFING CORRECT? HOW DO WE FILL THE CHIEF POSITION? HOW DO WE WORK ON WATER INFRASTRUCTURE? THIS JUST CAME OUT OF NOWHERE. AND IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT STAFF, MAYBE SOMEBODY CAME ACROSS THE REAL ESTATE FUND AND SAID, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS MONEY? AND HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS. OR THE. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS MAYBE IT WAS MR. CASEY CAME TO US AND STARTED THAT DISCUSSION AND MADE US START THINKING ABOUT REAL ESTATE THAT MIGHT BE NOW AS I'M TALKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT GETTING IT MOWED. WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PUTTING LIENS ON IT. AND THERE WAS THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THAT DISCUSSION. AND THEN THE COMMENT WAS MADE. I BET YOU WE PROBABLY COULD BUY THIS PRETTY CHEAP RIGHT NOW, CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS LAND AND THIS IS WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY OR POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR LONG TERM. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE DIALOG FROM WHAT I REMEMBER BEGAN.AGAIN, I, I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS AND I AGREE WITH MANY OF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT COST AND MAINTENANCE AND THINGS BEING A LITTLE BACKWARDS. I, I DO AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THEY ARE VALID. AND THAT'S WHY THAT MAY BE A BETTER EXPLANATION OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE THIS CAME ON THE TABLE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY THOUGHTS ON IT EITHER. AND SO BUT YOU KNOW, MISTER ROBERTS ONCE TOLD ME, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE UP HERE AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO LOSE THE VOTE, YOU TRY TO DO YOUR BEST TO INFLUENCE HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. SO MY ASK WOULD BE, I STILL THINK THE ABSOLUTE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR IF WE OWN IT, IS TO TURN RIGHT BACK AROUND, PUT IT BACK ON THE MARKET, ACTUALLY ADVERTISE IT ON PAGES THAT SELL GOLF COURSES, AND TRY TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND BUY IT AND TURN IT INTO A GOLF COURSE AS FAST AS THEY CAN, AND GET IT OFF OUR BOOKS AND ALLOW US TO SPREAD A FLUENT ON IT IN PERPETUITY, WHICH THE DEED ALREADY SAYS THAT WE CAN.
SO THAT'S MY HOPE. IF YOU GO FORWARD TO PUT THAT IN THERE, I WILL MAKE THIS STATEMENT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE CITY CANNOT PURCHASE LAND TO TURN AROUND AND RESELL IT. I, I, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. WE NEED TO I'LL NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE ELEMENTS ON THAT.
BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO HANG ON TO IT FOR HOW MANY. I BELIEVE IT'S THREE YEARS. I THINK IT'S YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. SO AND THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE PROHIBITION ON THE CITY GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF LAND FLIP. IT'S JUST. YEAH. SO SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POINT IS, BUT WE MAY BE PROHIBITED FROM DOING THAT NOW, LEASING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT THOSE PROHIBITIONS WOULD NOT APPLY. WELL, LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE TWO ENTITIES ALREADY INTERESTED IN BUYING IT. SAY WE BOUGHT IT. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT ON THE MARKET FOR SALE. BUT THEY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE THOUGHT WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO BUYING THIS. CAN WE CAN WE MAKE AN OFFER AND BUY IT? ARE YOU ALLOWED TO THEN TAKE SOMEONE'S OFFER AND SAY THERE'S AN INTEREST? OR COULD YOU DO A LEASE TO BUY? LONG TERM LEASE? BUT BUT IF IF A TRANSACTION THAT TRANSFERS TITLE. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT I'LL I'LL, I'LL GET YOU THAT. IT'S NOT A QUESTION I WISH WOULD HAVE BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH WHEN THIS WAS A MORE LEGITIMATE PROPOSAL. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BRAD. SINCE IT WAS A GOLF COURSE AND THAT'S CONSIDERED RECREATION FACILITIES. I THINK THE PRIOR COUNCIL THAT SOLD IT MAY HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW, THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD HELD AN ELECTION TO BE ABLE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO OFFER AN OPINION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I'LL JUST INDICATE THAT THAT IS A THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. SO I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT THAT ANYTIME PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED AS RECREATION, THE ONLY WAY A CITY CAN SELL IT IS TO HAVE. THROUGH A GENERAL ELECTION BY THE CITIZENS. THE GENERAL RULE
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IS, IS AS YOU'VE STATED IT, CHARLES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION BEFORE I HAND IT BACK OVER TO FOLKS IS IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WE SPEAK COULD SAY, HAVE YOU READ THE CONTRACT? I JUST THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW. HAVE YOU READ THE CONTRACT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND APPROVE IT TODAY? MR. BENNEFIELD SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT COMMENT IS I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CONTRACT. I JUST MY VOTE TODAY WOULD BE BASED ON PURCHASING THIS LAND AT A PRESCRIBED PRICE. AND MY FAITH AND TRUST IS IN MR. WEST TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE. IF YOU HAVE SEEN A CONTRACT AND YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN THAT CONTRACT THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BEFOREHAND, I'M TOTALLY AMICABLE TO TABLING THIS AND BRINGING IT BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SO THAT ANY CONTRACT ISSUES CAN BE CAN BE FIXED, BUT I DON'T THINK THE FORMALITY OF. THE CONTRACTS, LIKE WHETHER THINGS ARE MISSPELLED OR WHATEVER, SHOULD NECESSARILY STOP US FROM PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I THINK THOSE ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, JUST FORMALITIES FOR MR. WEST TO BUTTON UP DURING THE TITLE PROCESS. MAYOR PRO TEM, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS GOING TO SAY TO MR. BENFIELD'S POINT THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE ACTION, THE ACTION CAN BE TO AUTHORIZE US. CITY MANAGER AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO FINALIZE AND FORMALIZE A CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF X AND AND THEN TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU FOR RATIFICATION OR YOU I DON'T KNOW IF CONSENT AGENDA DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MAYBE CONSENT AGENDA WOULD WORK. I THINK, MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR MIGHT NOT WANT THAT ON CONSENT, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO IT THAT WAY. AND, AND I JUST EMAILED. CHRISTINA, WHO HELPED CHARLES WORK ON THOSE CONTRACTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY, ANY COPY PASTE ERRORS ARE ADDRESSED. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT COUNT THAT, AS YOU SAY. AND THAT WOULDN'T STOP COUNCIL FROM TAKING ACTION TONIGHT TO AUTHORIZE THE, YOU KNOW, PREPARATION AND ULTIMATE EXECUTION OF CONTRACTS IN THIS AMOUNT. AND WE BRING THAT BACK TO YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, REVIEW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A REPORT BACK AT THE END OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD ANYWAY. I MEAN, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE EVERYTHING WAS GOOD AND THIS TRANSACTION WENT THROUGH OR TITLE BROUGHT BACK THESE ISSUES. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOU TAKE ACTION TONIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM MOTION.THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, SO TO SPEAK. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT IN THAT. AGAIN, MY INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY WAS REALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT 1.2 MILLION NOW VERSUS WHAT WE KNOW.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WILL BE 15 TO 20 MILLION IN THE FUTURE, LET'S SAY, WITHIN A DECADE FROM NOW, IF THE MAINTENANCE ON THIS IS 400 000 A YEAR, THEN THAT'S OVER THE TEN YEARS IS 4 MILLION.
SO MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE 5 MILLION TIED UP IN THIS. WE'RE STILL 10 MILLION TO THE GOOD IN TERMS OF UTILIZING THIS PROPERTY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU DID BRING UP A LOT OF GOOD STUFF THERE, MAYOR. IF WE IF WE COULD IF I FELT CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW ESTABLISH OUR RIGHTS AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE BUNKED WITH IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD AFFLUENT, THEN I WOULD SAY, YEAH, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT WHAT HAPPENS AND LET THIS RIDE. BUT I REALLY FEEL THE BEST OPTION FOR US IS TO BUY THE PROPERTY CLEAN. AND IF WE CAN CLEAN UP ANY OF THESE INCONSISTENCIES, WE HAVE IT FOR THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND STUFF IS DONE. MAYBE WE FIND A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO LEASE IT AND THEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS BUY IT. IN TERMS OF RETURNING IT BACK TO A GOLF COURSE, THAT TO ME WOULD BE THE THE ULTIMATE IN TERMS OF THIS TRANSACTION. AND AS FAR AS ANY MONEY BURNING A HOLE IN MY POCKET RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE NEED EXPANSION FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO SERVE CITIZENS IN THE FUTURE. AND WE ARE FAR FROM IT RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE PATH TO GET THERE, SO ACTUALLY I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THE MONEY TO BE USED ELSEWHERE OTHER THAN THIS. BUT BEING ABLE TO FLUSH OUR TOILETS IS A HIGH PRIORITY ON OUR RESIDENTS LIST. AND SO THAT'S WHY I AM STILL IN FAVOR OF PURSUING. BUT I DID WANT TO ASK ONE LAST QUESTION. BEING THAT, MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT IT'S TWO PARCELS AND WE ARE ONLY AGENDIZED FOR ONE. IT IS IN THE AND THE ADDRESS, CORRECT, ETC.
THE TWO THAT IT IS. BUT THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT,
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IF THERE'S I FEEL CONFIDENT DOING DUE DILIGENCE, ETC. IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF JUST PRESERVING TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T TURN INTO CONDOS. BUT BEYOND THAT, BEING ABLE TO AGAIN, FLUSH THEIR TOILETS IS ON A HIGH PRIORITY WITHIN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. SO THANK YOU. SO, MAYOR, IF YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THE AGENDA.YES, PLEASE. SO. WELL, COUNCIL'S CONCURRENCE THAT I CAN GIVE A LEGAL OPINION. OKAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I IT IS IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BOTH PARCELS UTILIZE THE SAME PHYSICAL ADDRESS. AND IF THAT IS CORRECT, THEN THEN THIS IS AGENDIZED PROPERLY FOR FOR FOR BOTH PARCELS. MOREOVER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT IS IN THE AGENDA. NOTICE THE 111 POINT. WHATEVER IS, IS, IS THE TWO PARCELS COMBINED. SO THE PUBLIC'S BEEN PUT ON NOTICE OF THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE TOTAL ACREAGE TO BE. YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED AS A PURCHASE. I THINK OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AS A, YOU KNOW, BELTS AND SUSPENDERS TYPE THING, SINCE THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE COMING BACK ON A FUTURE AGENDA, A FUTURE AGENDA CAN IDENTIFY THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND, YOU KNOW, BREAK THEM OUT AS THE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, ONE OF 109 ACRES AND ONE OF TWO ACRES OR WHATEVER THE BREAKDOWN IS, AND THE COUNCIL CAN RATIFY ANY ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT, IF ANY. AND THAT WOULD CURE, YOU KNOW, ANY ISSUES IF I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY. BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY CURE ANY ISSUES. IF THERE ARE, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. IF YOU TAKE ACTION TONIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I OPEN UP TO MOTION, JUST MY LAST REQUEST FOR THOSE MAKING MOTION, IF ANY OF YOU WOULD CONSIDER ANY OF THE PROPOSALS THAT THE CITIZEN WROTE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PURCHASE IS THAT PARCEL THAT WE NEVER SPOKE TO OR NEGOTIATED WITH THAT OWNER. MAYBE YOU CAN ASK IF THE CITY WOULD GO BACK AND TRY AND NEGOTIATE WITH THAT OWNER ON THE SECOND PARCEL, AS THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PURCHASE. SO WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. CAN YOU SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, IS THAT YOU'RE WANTING SOMEBODY, THE CITY, TO GO BACK AND RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT FOR THE .99, 2.032 ACRES, THE MISS VANESSA ESPARZA YEAH, THE ONE THAT WAS 485,000. CHARLES. IF CHARLES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU WERE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNER, WERE YOU NOT? YES. AND NOT THAT OWNER. NOT THAT OWNER. I DID NOT FIND OUT. IT WAS DIVIDED UP INTO TWO UNTIL AFTER WE GOT WAY INTO THE PROCESS. SO YOU YOU ONLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNER OF THE ONE 109, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THE FIRST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH HIM, IT WAS STILL ALL 111 ACRES. AND HE KEPT MENTIONING THAT HE WAS THINKING OF SELLING OFF THE DEAL. AND HE WAS INFORMED THEN THAT IF HE INTENDED TO SELL THAT OFF, HE HAD TO GET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INTO A SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY. AFTER WE GOT INTO THE CONTRACT PART OF IT, ACTUALLY THE FIRST CONTRACT WAS DONE. AND THEN HE SAYS, OH NO, IT'S GOT TO BE TWO CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING SOLD OFF. MR. WEST, THE CONTRACT THAT'S CURRENTLY SIGNED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, HOW LONG ARE THOSE CONTRACTS GOOD FOR? WELL, THE CITY HASN'T SIGNED A CONTRACT. HOW LONG IS THEIR SIGNATURE IS GOOD FOR? I GUESS UNTIL ACTION IS TAKEN ON THEM. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT I DON'T I MEAN IT WOULD IT WOULD REMAIN UNTIL THEY WITHDRAW IT. TYPICALLY. I MEAN ONCE AN OFFER IS OUT THERE. YEAH. I MEAN I, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT PROPOSAL IS THAT IF YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SECOND OWNER AND I GUESS. MR. WEST, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE THE PRICE OF THAT SECOND PROPERTY TO MAYOR HOLMES? THOUGHTS? I MEAN, IS THAT A LOST CAUSE? I'M GONNA GIVE YOU MY HONEST OPINION. I THINK IT'S A LOST CAUSE TO GO BACK. THEY'VE ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT FOR THAT AMOUNT. I WOULD FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE FOR THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND IF WE GO BACK TO THEM. IT DIDN'T REMIND ME OF ONE MORE THING. I WANT TO MAKE A POINT. SORRY, MR. BENFIELD, BUT. AND THIS WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION EARLY ON ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY. DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO TALK ABOUT THE GOLF CART
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BUILDING FROM COUNCIL? SO JUST MAKE THAT SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE THAT THIS SALE DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT PARCEL. THAT INCLUDES THE THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE GOLF CARTS IN IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION EARLY ON IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT POSSIBLY COULD BECAUSE IT IS ITS OWN TRACT, IT ACTUALLY, WHILE PHYSICALLY CONNECTED TO THE HIGHLAND LAKES BAR AND GRILL BUILDING, IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE TRACT. THERE WAS A TIME WHERE I THINK COUNCIL BELIEVED THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SALE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT IT IS NOT. I WAS AWARE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF COUNCIL WAS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE. IF YOU WERE ON YOUR HONEYMOON DURING THAT TIME FRAME OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT DID COME UP. ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? OH, ARE YOU GOING? CHHABRIA? I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE OF THE FORMER HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE PROPERTIES FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1.2 MILLION FROM AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE FUNDS, SUBJECT TO FINAL CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL AND CONFIRMATION OF SATISFACTORY TITLE LEGAL ACCESS, EASEMENTS, MATERIALS, SURVEY MATTERS, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND AVAILABLE APPROPRIATION, AND FURTHER DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH AN INITIAL PROPERTY STEWARDSHIP AND FIRE MITIGATION PLAN, INCLUDING ESTIMATED ANNUAL COSTS. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL. CHAVARRIA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? CAN I ASK, MISS, JUST IF YOU WOULD REPEAT THAT LAST SENTENCE? SOMETHING ABOUT A PLAN AND COST? YES, THAT WAS A PURPOSEFUL. I WANT A INITIAL PROPERTY STEWARDSHIP AND WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH CITIZENS HAVE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, AND THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED IT IN THERE. I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT I WAS GOING TO GET A SECOND, BUT I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE WITH INCLUDED ESTIMATED ANNUAL COSTS SO THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE AWARE OF HOW MUCH WE ARE POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE. I'M NOT READY TO SECOND THAT. AND I'LL I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT. I THINK WE AS COUNCIL, NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THE BUDGET OF THAT WOULD BE. I'M COMFORTABLE THAT. I THINK WE CAN GET TO A STATE OF SOME REASONABLE USE AT REASONABLE COST. AND AND SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONTINGENCY ON THE PURCHASE WOULD BE MY PERSONAL OPINION. IF THERE IS NO SECOND ON THAT MOTION, THEN I'M OPEN TO ANOTHER MOTION. MR. BULLOCK, CAN YOU ADVISE A PROPER MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS TO BE BROUGHT BACK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR FINAL REVIEW? YEAH, AND I THINK MR. TREVOR'S MOTION ALMOST GOT THERE. WAS THAT LAST LITTLE PART ABOUT THE ABOUT THE FIRE MITIGATION PART. BUT IF YOU WOULD, IF MISS CHAVARRIA WOULD READ BACK THAT FIRST PART OF THAT MOTION UP UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT PART, BECAUSE I THINK IT COVERED ALMOST ALL OF THAT. THE ISSUE WITH MISS WITH HER MOTION IS IT WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE AUTHORIZATION TO PREPARE THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS FOR FINAL REVIEW. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU IF THE MOTION STARTED OFF WITH THAT LANGUAGE, THEN IT GOES TO BECAUSE EVERYTHING I STATED, I MOVED TO AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE. IF I JUST DID, I AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE THE CONTRACT. THAT'S NOT APPROVING THE CONTRACT.THAT'S JUST COMPLETING THE CONTRACT. THE FORMER HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE PROPERTIES FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1.2 MILLION FROM REAL AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE FUNDS, SUBJECT TO THE FINAL CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL AND CONFIRMATION OF SATISFACTORY TITLE, LEGAL ACCESS EASEMENTS, MATERIALS, SURVEY MATTERS, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND AVAILABLE APPROPRIATION. WANTING TO. ALMOST. ALMOST THERE. ALMOST. MR. BENFIELD, WHAT YOU YOUR QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ALREADY THE LANGUAGE FOR THE MOTION. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY FAIR. SO SO I IF THE IDEA OF THE MOTION IS TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO FINALIZE A PURCHASE CONTRACT, NOT TO EXCEED $1.2 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE HIGHLAND LAKE GOLF COURSE. AND TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL FOR
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FINAL AUTHORIZATION, POTENTIAL FINAL AUTHORIZATION, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, THEN WORDS TO THAT EFFECT WOULD WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT PURPOSE.BUT I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT. AND THE ONLY OTHER CAVEAT THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO A MOTION THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IS THAT A THE DOCUMENTS ARE BEING BROUGHT BACK FOR FINAL REVIEW, AND EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A LOST CAUSE, ADMITTEDLY, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE ONLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNERS WAS ON THE 109 ACRES. AND EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A LOST CAUSE, I STILL THINK IF WE'RE NOT SIGNING THE CONTRACTS TODAY, IT DOES NOT HURT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SECOND OWNER BEFORE WE SIGN THOSE CONTRACTS SAYING, HEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. THEY MAY TELL US TO, YOU KNOW, KICK SAND, BUT IT'S AT LEAST WORTH THE ASK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE PROPERTY OWNER AT ONE IS DICTATING THE PRICE OF PROPERTY OWNER TWO, WHEN REALLY IT'S TWO SEPARATE TRANSACTIONS.
AND WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE WENT TO PROPERTY OWNER NUMBER TWO HAD WE KNOWN IN ADVANCE AND NEGOTIATED THESE DIFFERENTLY OR INDEPENDENTLY, IF YOU WILL. SO, MR. BENNEFIELD, MAYBE ONE WAY TO DO SINCE SINCE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS TO COME BACK A YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY I JUST FOR EVERYONE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T GENERALLY NEGOTIATE REAL ESTATE PURCHASES IN PUBLIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR HANDS. YEAH. AND SO WE KNOW THAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY IS 1.2 MILLION. BUT IF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU AUTHORIZE TONIGHT IS, LET'S SAY 1.1 MILLION, THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS ALL THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED. YEAH. AND SO, I MEAN, WILL IT WORK? I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. BUT BUT THAT IS A STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY CITY COUNCILS IN THE PAST TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE AND THIS IS IT NOW, YOU KNOW, WILL IT WORK? I DON'T KNOW, BUT AT LEAST IT IT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED US TO, TO BRING YOU AT THIS POINT IS 1.1. I'VE DONE THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS COME OUT AND SAID, WE KNOW YOU ASKED FOR A MILLION, BUT HERE'S YOUR 750,000 OR WHATEVER. MAYBE YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT, MAYBE YOU DON'T. BUT I MEAN, TO, TO, TO MAYOR SAHM'S POINT. THE THE $400,000 IS REALLY WHO'S GOING TO BUY IT? YOU KNOW, US, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? OKAY, MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE THE CONTRACT FOR THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2000 OR 2 0406 ERHART LANE, LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, FOR A TOTAL ACREAGE OF 111.62, WHICH IS TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $1.1 MILLION, AND INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER TO GET A NEW CONTRACT BROUGHT BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT NOT TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? WHAT'S THAT? WOULD THAT BE TWO CONTRACTS, ONE FOR EACH OWNER, ONE FOR EACH OWNER? YEAH. TWO CONTRACTS. CORRECT. YEAH. TO BRING THE CONTRACTS BACK. YEAH.
APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FOR MR. HALL. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. PRINCE? WHAT I'M. YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S. I THINK THAT'S FINE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE PLACING A TASK IN FRONT OF THE CITY MANAGER TO GO GET US A BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT WAS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. AND WE'LL SEE SEE IF WE SEE IF THAT WORKS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD. MR. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT ONCE YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWN YOUR HAND ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY, AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ONE PARTY SIGNING A CONTRACT, TRYING TO GO BACK ON IT, IT'S KIND OF A BAD FAITH THING FOR OUR CITY TO DO. SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, ASKING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CONTRACT OUT THERE FOR THIS, IF YOU THINK WE CAN GET A BETTER DEAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NEVER LIKE, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE TO ASK, BUT IT'S KIND OF WEIRD TO ASK AFTER THE FACT. SO EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS, THE WAY THAT AS PRESENTED, I, I AM IN FAVOR OF BRINGING IT BACK ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. SO I GUESS, CHARLES, JUST DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THIS DEAL DONE AND I'LL SUPPORT IT. OKAY. THERE'S NO OTHER
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COMMENTS. I HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. IT IS APPROVED 5 TO 1. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE ONE.CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-2217. RESOLUTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS. APPOINTING INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE AS MEMBERS ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS COMMISSION. I THINK THIS IS MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR, AS IT HAS BEEN NOTED IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR PRINCE IS WELL AWARE, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE PRESENT ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS PARAMOUNT. AND OVER THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, THERE WASN'T A MEETING AND DUPLICATING THAT I WAS TAKING THE TIME TO VET OR AT LEAST ASK. THERE WAS SOME BEGGING INVOLVED IN TRYING TO LOOK FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AGAIN, THAT HAD THE KNOW HOW IN ORDER TO BE OF VALUE, IT HAS BECOME QUITE CLEAR OVER THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, ONE WITHOUT A QUORUM. THE SECOND, WE DID HAVE A QUORUM, BUT WE COULD NOT MAKE A.
IN ORDER TO PASS A VARIANCE OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH WOULD BE SIX MEMBERS. AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. AS IT TURNS OUT, WE HAD A A MEMBER PULLED AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE AND HAD TO GO OUT OF STATE ON AND COULD NOT GET OUT OF IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE. THIS CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF ONE OF THE FORMER PEOPLE THAT I HAD SPOKE TO EARLY ON, WHICH WAS TOM MONAHAN, AND SO HE STATED THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE IN THE EIGHTH PLACE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER MEMBERS ALSO NOTING THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CONDUCT THE CITY BUSINESS. THEY STEPPED UP TO BE ALTERNATES, AND THAT'S ROBIN BURKHART. AND THE OTHER IS PATRICIA. SORRY, PATRICIA, FORGIVE ME IF I MESSED UP YOUR LAST NAME. AND SO I'M ASKING THAT WE APPOINT TOM MONAHAN THIS EVENING TO THE EIGHTH SEAT AND APPOINT PATRICIA AND ROBIN AS ALTERNATES FOR B OF A TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE ANY OF OUR FUTURE ISSUES. QUESTION. MR. JUST CLARIFY. I'M LOOKING ON THE BOARD PAGE RIGHT NOW, AND THE THE EMPTY SEAT IS ONE THAT GOES THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHEN YOU SAID MR. MONAHAN WAS WILLING TO SERVE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT'S NOT THE END OF THIS YEAR. IT'S THE END OF NEXT YEAR. NO. HE STATED THAT HE WOULD SERVE UNTIL THE END OF THIS YEAR. THERE IS. WITH ROBIN BURKHART AND PATRICIA STEPPING UP AS ALTERNATES, I. I FELT LIKE THAT THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME IN ORDER TO GET UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF THAT POSITION. IN ADDITION, TOM MONAHAN HAS AN EXCEEDINGLY DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN REGARD TO THESE ISSUES. AFTER SERVING ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. AND SO I WAS OKAY WITH IT BEING A SHORT TERM. HE WOULD RESIGN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. YEAH, AND I WAS JUST CLARIFYING THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S A IT'S A REALLY GOOD PLAN.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A PLAN THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, NOTING THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS FOR JANUARY AND BEYOND OF, OF NEXT YEAR.
I'M SORRY IF I, IF I COULD FURTHER GO ALONG. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT WE HAVE IS TO.
WITHIN THE ORDINANCE OF SEPARATION OF COMMISSIONS, WE CAN PROVIDE. TEMPORARILY SOMEONE SITTING ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH A MAJORITY VOTE HERE ON COUNCIL. THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THE TIMING. IN THIS LAST CASE, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO EVOKE THAT BECAUSE THE. THE. WHERE WE FELL SHORT WAS IN THE VERY LITERALLY THE EVENING BEFORE 10:00 AT NIGHT, BEFORE THE NEXT DAY OF THE B OF A. OKAY, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? I THINK I HAVE MR. DAVID KING OKAY, HE'S PAST ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MR. MY ONLY QUESTION
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IS ON THE ALTERNATES. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE SWITCHED OUT? I WANT TO BE FAIRLY EVEN KEELED ABOUT HOW THE ALTERNATES ARE GOING TO BE ROTATED IN. AND SO IT'S CONSISTENT AND NOT GIVING ANY IMPARTIALITY TO ANY PARTICULAR CASE THAT MIGHT BE PRESENTED TO THE BOA. CHARLES ALTERNATES ARE NOTIFIED JUST LIKE YOUR BOA MEMBERS. AND IF FOR SOME REASON YOU KNOW THAT A BOA MEMBER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW UP FOR A MEETING, THEN YOU ASK AN ALTERNATE TO THEIR. USUALLY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. THE ALTERNATES USUALLY ATTEND THE MEETINGS, SO IF FOR SOME REASON THEY GET THERE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER YOU NEEDED, THEN THE ALTERNATE WOULD COME FROM THE AUDIENCE AND SIT IN ON THE MEETING. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO. MOVE THAT THE EIGHTH MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPOINTED, MR. TOM MONAHAN, AND ALSO APPOINT ROBIN BURKHART AND PATRICIA SMOG AS ALTERNATE MEMBERS OF THE B OF A, RESPECTIVELY, WITH TERMS TO EXPIRE AS PROVIDED BY CITY ORDINANCE IN REGARD TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 26, 2217. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR.PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED
[IX.2. Consider, discuss, and take action on Ordinance No. 26-07-16-02 to approve a Franchise Agreement with Pedernales Electric Cooperative (PEC).]
UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE TWO. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-07-16-02 TO APPROVE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.CHARLES. OH, THIS IS THE AGREEMENT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON, AND THEN WE SENT IT BACK TO PEC THEY FINALLY SENT IT BACK TO US. SO IT'S IN THE PACKET. SO HOPEFULLY Y'ALL ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. BRING IT TO COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA? I HAVE A JUST A FEW COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON IT. WHERE FROM WHAT WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GRANTING A BLANKET EXEMPTION FROM CITY PERMITTING AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES FOR WORK IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, INSTEAD OF A EXPEDITED OR NO FEE PERMIT PROCESS. MY CONCERN IS THAT WITHOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, HOW DOES PUBLIC KNOW WORKS? KNOW WHEN AND WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY ARE? WHERE, WHERE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IT HAS BEEN CUT? AND WHO DETERMINES WHETHER THE STREET RESTORATIONS, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THESE CUTS IS SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT? AND WHAT THE WHAT IS THE REMEDY OF THE PAYMENT FAILS MONTHS LATER, AND I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE FRANCHISE REVENUE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND IF THE 4% IS THE SAME RATE AS OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT, THE 4% IS THE SAME AS THE CURRENT AGREEMENT. AND ANYTIME THEY DO ANY WORK DIGGING OR ANYTHING, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE 411 AND AT WHICH TIME WE ARE CONTACTED OR SOMEBODY IS CONTACTED THAT VERIFIES IT'S ALL THERE. I'LL LET ERNEST, I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. STUFF RIGHT NOW IS VERY IS VERY CONFUSING ON THAT. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T CLEAR UP. YEAH. THEY SUBMITTED A PERMIT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR RW.
THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS GETS IT. WE REVIEW IT, WE EVALUATE IT AND THEN WE WE APPROVE OR DENY.
I KNOW THAT'S HOW IT CURRENTLY IS. BUT THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT OH DOES NOT HAVE THAT IN HERE. GOT IT. IT'S ACTUALLY STATES THAT IT'S A IT'S A THERE IS A BLANKET EXEMPTION IN THERE FOR PERMITTING. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO NOTIFY THE WAY THAT IT READS. BASICALLY, THEY'RE NOT NOTIFYING US AT ALL. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE THEM LIKE IT TO SAY THAT THERE IS. AND THAT WAY, I MEAN, I OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE NO FEE WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF JUST IS MORE OF A LIKE INFORMING US RATHER THAN ASKING PERMISSION KIND OF THING. BUT AT LEAST THERE, THE WAY THAT THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS ARE. I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHARLES CAN LOOK AT. YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT IT. WE CAN GO BACK AND PUT THAT IN THERE AND SEND IT BACK TO PEC AND GO FROM THERE. BECAUSE UNTIL THE NEW AGREEMENTS PUT IN PLACE, THE CURRENT ONE STAYS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IN TERMS OF CITIZEN COMMENTS, I HAVE DAVID KING. JUST IN AGREEMENT WITH MISS CHAVARRIA WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME WITH IT BEING A BLANKET OVERSIGHT OR WITHOUT OVERSIGHT. OH MY. AN ISSUE THAT
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MIGHT COME UP IS THERE'S A LOT OF EASEMENT OVERLAP INSIDE OF LAGO VISTA, WHERE THE CITY HAS PREVIOUS DRAINAGE EASEMENTS BEHIND LOTS. AND THERE'S A FEW AREAS WHERE PEC DOES HAVE POWER LINES RUNNING BEHIND PROPERTIES INSIDE OF CITY OWNED EASEMENTS. AND IF THERE ISN'T SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT, THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE POOLS OR PATIOS, AND IT IS IN THEIR AGREEMENT OF IF EVER A UTILITY IS RUN HERE, THEN THAT RESIDENT, THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO, AT THEIR OWN COST, REMOVE THOSE FACILITIES. AND THIS COULD JUST BE A BIG CAN OF WORMS. WHEREAS IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY FIRST, A LOT OF THAT CAN BE MITIGATED WITH ADDING ONE MORE SENTENCE TO THIS. THAT'S MY ONLY PIECE. SO I WANT TO MAKE, MAKE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE IN CITIES THAT I'VE LIVED IN, WHERE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE 411 CALL BEFORE YOU DIG, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES. THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CALL BEFORE THEY DIG OR GET PERMISSION OR EVEN DOCUMENT THAT, AND THEN WE'RE STUCK. AND EVEN WHEN YOU CALL 411 OR THE LANDOWNER CALLS 411, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT PEC HAS PUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE BYPASSED IT. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S LINES THERE, CALL BEFORE YOU DIG WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T HAVE RECORD OF IT. I MEAN THEIR INTERNAL POLICIES AND AUDITING WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE RECORD OF WHERE THEIR LINES ARE AT WHEN IT WAS LAST MAINTAINED, WHEN IT WAS LAST WORKED. BUT WE WOULDN'T. MISS CHAVARRIA, I OH, DO YOU MIND IF I SPEAK? I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IN CITIZEN COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I MIGHT NEED TO GO. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO CALL IT BACK. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENEFIT. YEAH, I, I, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE CONTRACT CLOSE ENOUGH AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT MISS CHAVARRIA BUT IT IS STATE LAW THAT ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO DIG MORE THAN SIX INCHES DEEP HAS TO NOTIFY TEXAS 8111. IT'S A LOT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA MY CONCERN IS THE IS THE CUTS ALONG PAVEMENT SO THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS EIGHT INCHES. AND SO IT'S THOSE RIGHT BELOW THE LEVEL I WHERE IN PREVIOUS CITIES THAT I'VE RUN ACROSS, WHERE WE'VE RUN ACTUALLY RAN INTO POWER LINES, WHERE THEY WERE BURYING THEM WAS WHEN AT&T WOULD COME OUT, THEY WOULD GET THEIR PERMIT TO CALL BEFORE THEIR CALL, BEFORE THEY DIG. AND CENTERPOINT HAD PUT IN LINES FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE INCHES DOWN AND DIDN'T HAVE TO CALL. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICAL WIRES AND SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE TRYING TO GET WI-FI AND FIBER OPTIC, AND NOW EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OUT OF POWER INTERNET FOR DAYS UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN SAY THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO PUT THEIR BE PUT THERE, THEY PUT THE WRONG CONDUIT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SINCE PSC IS THE ONLY PROVIDER HERE, THE KIND OF A MONOPOLY OF US OVER US, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING THEM A BLANKET APPROVAL TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVEN'T. THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US. THEY'VE DONE WONDERFUL THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SINCE WE'RE ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT IN COMPLIANCE AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S PERMITTED AND DOCUMENTED, THAT WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, EXPECTING THE SAME OF OUR UTILITY PROVIDERS. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILOR, I'LL JUST SUGGEST THAT MR. VON KING, WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY UP HERE, HAS RAISED HIS HAND. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH GIVING HIM ANOTHER MINUTE OR TWO. THANK YOU. YES, I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION. SO I PERSONALLY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD EXPERIENCE WITH PSC ACCIDENTALLY, NON MALICIOUSLY TEARING THROUGH MY OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY AND OTHER PEOPLE'S IT. AND IT CAME FROM STEMMING FROM MISCOMMUNICATIONS FROM TOWN HALL WHERE ACTUALLY THEY'RE ACCESSING FOR THE THE POWER LINES IN THE CANYONLANDS RESERVE. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S A, WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE WRONG THING. THEY'RE A GOOD COMPANY, BUT THEY SUBCONTRACT A LOT OF WORK. AND IF THINGS AREN'T EXPLICITLY WRITTEN, WE JUST HAD A SUBCONTRACTOR COME THROUGH. ALSO THAT SAME PROPERTY, AGAIN, ALMOST CUT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY WITH EQUIPMENT AND ALSO DUMP THINGS.THEY'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS AND THEY DO A LOT OF WORK. SO IT IS JUST BETTER TO HAVE THESE THINGS WRITTEN OUT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO
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BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. WITH NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. I'M VOTING AGAINST IT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I'M VOTING AGAINST IT BECAUSE OF THE 4% TAX IN THERE.I THINK IT'S A HIDDEN TAX. I THINK IT'S AN UNFAIR TAX. I THINK IT'S A TAX THAT'S WAS RAISED FROM 2% TO 4%. AND YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LOWER IT FROM 4% TO 2% IS IT WOULD DEVASTATE OUR CURRENT BUDGET, WHICH ONLY VALIDATES THE FACT THAT IT IS A TAX. AND. ANY NEW AGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY SEE THAT TAX BE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. SO IT'S NOT HIDDEN, AND THAT ANY MONIES THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO OPERATE ON IS DISCLOSED MORE CLEARLY IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS. SO I KNOW EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD COLLECTS THIS 2%, 4%, WHATEVER TAX IT IS. BUT FOR ME, I BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY. SO ME PERSONALLY, I'M VOTING AGAINST IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCILOR COUNCILOR PRINCE, JUST CLARIFICATION. MR. BENNEFIELD, YOU JUST STATED THAT IT WAS RAISED FROM 2% TO 4%. THE CITY MANAGER A FEW MINUTES AGO SAID IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT. CAN YOU CLARIFY THE 2% TO 4% CHANGE? THE LAST TIME THIS CONTRACT WAS RENEWED, IT WAS AT 2%. AND SO IT IT WAS ORIGINALLY AT 2%, AND THEN PREVIOUS COUNCIL RAISED IT TO 4%. AND SO NOW THE LOG AVISTA RESIDENTS ARE PAYING A 4% FEE ON THEIR UTILITY BILL. AND NO I UNDERSTAND SO YOU'VE CLEARED. SO THIS CONTRACT IS NOT RAISING IT TO 4%. THIS PREVIOUS CONTRACT HAD RAISED IT FROM 2% TO 4%, BUT WE'RE KEEPING IT AT THAT ELEVATED LEVEL. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA THAT WAS ALSO A CONCERN OF MINE, WAS THE THE WAY THAT THE GROSS REVENUE CALCULATION WAS USED TO DETERMINE THAT 4% RAISE. AND SO I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
THAT AS WELL. THERE WAS. THE TEN YEAR FRANCHISE FEE OF 4% OF DEFINED GROSS REVENUE. THERE'S BROAD ROA PERMITTING ADMINISTRATIVE EXEMPTIONS, AND THERE'S SOME SUBSTANTIAL SAME AS CONDITIONS, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFICATIONS UPON IT FOR RESTORATION STANDARDS OR PRIOR CLAIMS WAIVERS. AND I, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE CITY'S RIGHT TO AUDIT THE GROSS REVENUE CALCULATION IS TO SUPPORT THIS 4% FRANCHISE PAYMENT, BECAUSE TO ME, IT ALSO HAS FELT LIKE A TAX. THE LAST THE LAST AGREEMENT WAS 2%. AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN A. I AT LEAST I HAVEN'T SEEN AN AUDIT AS TO WHY THESE GROSS ARE WHERE THESE CALCULATIONS CAME FROM. FOR THE INCREASE. THERE IS NO INCREASE. IT'S 4%. IT'S BEEN 4%. HERE'S THE THING. THEY RIGHT AWAY, YOU CAN CALL IT A TAX. YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER FRANCHISE FEES IS TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY. THEY'RE BASICALLY PAYING US FOR THE USE OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T PAY US, THEN THEY'VE GOT TO GO PURCHASE NEW RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TO YOUR ELECTRIC BILL EITHER WAY. SO IT'S A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PAY US 4% OF WHAT THEY MAKE VERSUS WHATEVER IT COST THEM TO GO PURCHASE NEW LAND. AND RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S WHAT A THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. I DISAGREE WITH THIS. THEN CALLING IT A TAX OR A HIDDEN TAX. IT IS NOT A TAX. IT IS A USE FEE TO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING, JUST LIKE WE PAY A RIGHT OF WAY FEE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO ACROSS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY A RIGHT OF WAY FEE TO GET THAT EASEMENT ACROSS THERE. THIS JUST KEEPS THEM FROM GOING AND GETTING NEW EASEMENTS. THIS JUST LETS THEM USE WHERE WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE USES FOR UTILITIES TO BE USED THAT THE CITY HAS PAID FOR OR BEEN DONATED AT SOME PAST TIME. SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. SO BEFORE THIS, BEFORE THE FEE WAS WENT FROM 2% TO 4%. WHAT DID PECK DO WITH THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS? I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GETTING. SAYING THIS WENT FROM 2% TO 4%. AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S BEEN 4%. I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR. YES, SIR. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IF BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS AT 2% BEFORE YOU WERE HERE, BEFORE ANY OF US WERE HERE, IT WAS AT 2%. AND THE CITIZENS OF LAGO
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VISTA PAID 2% OF THEIR UTILITY BILL TOWARDS THIS FEE. RIGHT. AND AT THAT TIME, PECK DID NOT GO OUT AND ACQUIRE ALL THIS LAND FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS. SO THEN THE FEE WENT FROM 2% TO 4%. AND WITH VIRTUALLY NOBODY EVEN KNOWING IT, THEIR UTILITY RATES WENT UP $0.50 A MONTH. IT'S NEGLIGIBLE. NOBODY EVEN NOTICED IT. AND PECK STILL DIDN'T GO OUT AND BUY NEW RIGHT OF WAYS. AND I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING IF THE RATE WENT FROM 4% BACK DOWN TO 2% OR 1%, PECK IS GOING TO GO OUT AND SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PURCHASING RIGHT OF WAYS AND. BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ELECTRIC, ANY FEE THAT WE PUT ON HERE IS A BURDEN TO THE CITIZENS. AND THESE FEES ARE GOING TO BE PAID, AND WE USE THOSE FEES IN OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? WHERE DO THESE WHERE ARE THESE FEES SHOW UP IN OUR BUDGET? THEY SHOW UP AS REVENUE UNDER OUR FRANCHISE FEES. IF THEY ARE PAYING US TO USE OUR LAND, BASICALLY. AND WHETHER IF YOU LOWER IT TO 2%, 1%, THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL OVER THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT AT A WHOLE LOT BIGGER DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY.THEY'RE JUST PAYING A LESSER FEE. I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU COULD DO AWAY WITH IT AND GIVE THEM RIGHTS TO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT NOW, YOUR ELECTRIC BILL IS NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT 6%? WELL, IF YOU LEAVE IT UP TO ME, I'D MAKE IT 10%. BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF RAISING IT TO TEN? WELL IT DIDN'T IT DOUBLED THE REVENUE ON WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING IN FRANCHISE FEES. BUT I I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S TO ME, WHETHER YOU RAISE IT OR NOT, THAT'S A DECISION FOR THE COUNCIL. BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, WE RECENTLY LOST SOME OF OUR FRANCHISE FEES BECAUSE OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE. AND I GOT A FEELING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY LOSE THIS ONE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. NICOLE WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS IF. THANK YOU. SO IT DOES SHOW. IT'S IN THE VERY TOP SECTION OF OUR REVENUE AND UNDER THE ADMIN SECTION. BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WE HAVE FRANCHISE FEES FROM GAS SOLID WASTE. WE ACTUALLY EVEN GET FEES FROM SIGNS, SIGNAGE BEING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM THAT WE RECEIVE. SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. IT'S PRETTY NORMAL TO RECEIVE IT. AND EVEN AGAIN, SOLID WASTE. THEY'RE THEY'RE DRIVING OUR ROADS. SO IT'S FOR USING AND BEING ON OUR PROPERTY.
IT'S MAINTENANCE. IT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR TO FIX THINGS TO REPAIR FOR THEM. PUTTING WEAR AND TEAR ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY. NOW, PECK DECIDES TO LABEL IT AND PUT IT ON THE BILL. IF YOU HAVE LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER BILLS, I DON'T I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW.
I DON'T LOOK AT MY INDIVIDUAL BILL, THE SOLID WASTE COMPANY. WE BILL FOR SOLID WASTE. SO IT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THAT RIGHT BACK TO US AS THE CITY. WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT PECK DECIDES TO PUT IT THROUGH TO THE CUSTOMER. WE'RE CHARGING PECK. THEY DECIDE TO PUT IT BACK TO THE CUSTOMER, AND IT'S THE COST FOR US AS A CITY TO DO BUSINESS AND PROVIDE ALL OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO THE CITY, TO OUR CITIZENS PERSONALLY, AS THE PERSON WHO SEES ALL OF OUR FINANCES, IT IS A DETRIMENT TO OUR BUDGET THAT WE CONTINUE TO CHARGE ALL OF THESE THINGS TO FUND OUR OUR BUDGET AND OUR CITY. AND I'M A CITIZEN AND I PAY THE BILL, TOO. YEAH. MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE CHANGE THE BUDGET. MY, MY POSITION IS, IS THAT WE WOULD MORE CLEARLY DISPLAY WHERE OUR BUDGET MONIES ARE COMING FROM BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS BEING ALLOCATED OF ALL OF THESE FEES THAT ARE HIDDEN, THAT ARE NOT BEING DISCLOSED, AND IT HAS ITS OWN REVENUE LINE. IT'S THERE IS ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE, GAS FRANCHISE FEE, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN REVENUE LINE. THEY'RE DISCLOSED. OKAY, I APPRECIATE IT. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S A FEE THAT IS CHARGED TO THOSE COMPANIES TO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR STREETS. THAT'S WHY SOLID WASTE PAYS A FRANCHISE FEE. I GUESS MY QUESTION, MR. WEST, IS, IS IF WE INCREASE THAT RATE TO 10% TO PECK, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO PAY US MORE MONEY. CORRECT.
ARE THEY GOING TO EQUALLY CHARGE THE CITIZENS A 10% FEE, OR WOULD THEY BE AT A MUCH
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LOWER RATE OR, YOU KNOW, SO IS IT A PASS THROUGH? IS IT 10% EQUALS 10%? OR CAN WE CHARGE THEM 10% AND THEY ONLY CHARGE OUR CITIZENS 4%? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S A PECK DECISION. THAT IS NOT A CITY OF LAGO VISTA DECISION. BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I AGREE, LET'S MAKE IT 20%. IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE OUR RATE. COUNCILOR CHEVRIER, I'M JUST GOING TO CHIME IN AND SAY, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. ANY OF THOSE ARE ALWAYS DONE ON A PASS THROUGH FEE. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU CHARGE THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO PASS ON TO THE CUSTOMER. SO IF YOU WANTED TO JUMP IT UP TO 10%, THEY'RE GOING TO SURELY PASS THAT THROUGH. JUST LIKE CREDIT CARD FEES, ANY ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS GOING TO CHARGE A 3.5% CREDIT CARD FEE, THEY'RE GOING TO PASS IT ON AND EITHER HIDE IT INTO THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS OR COST OF DOING BUSINESS, OR THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT ON THE BILL. AND YOU'LL SEE MANY PLACES WHERE THEY'LL CHARGE SUCH AND SUCH FOR DOING PAY WITH CASH. IF YOU USE A CREDIT CARD, IT'S GOING TO BE A 3.5% FEE. SAME THING FOR ANY UTILITY COMPANY. THEY MAY BURY IT IN LIKE SOLID WASTE OR WATER. BUT IF WE IF WE CHARGE PECK 10%, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN GUARANTEE THEY'RE GOING TO THROW THAT 10% ONTO THE CUSTOMER'S UTILITY BILL. COUNCILOR BENEFIELD. BRAD, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN IN OTHER CITIES AS THEY'VE NEGOTIATED THESE TYPES OF CONTRACTS IS 4%. THE NORM IS 2%. THE NORM IS 10% THE NORM. CANDIDLY, MR. BENEFIELD, I'D HAVE TO GO ASK MY PARTNERS.I JUST DON'T KNOW OFFHAND WHAT THE NORM IS. I CAN I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT I JUST DON'T. AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW I'VE LOOKED AT FRANCHISE FEES, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I JUST DON'T RECALL. AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I APPRECIATE IT. I WILL, I WILL, I WILL, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE RESEARCH, THE STATE LAW SURE DOES PLACE CAPS ON FRANCHISE FEES, THAT UTILITY THAT THAT CITIES CAN CHARGE UTILITIES.
THEY VARY BY THE TYPE OF UTILITY. SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING THAT. SO, SO WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO. THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY PASS THAT THROUGH TO THE CUSTOMERS IS, IS, IS KIND OF THEIR, THEIR CALL.
BUT, BUT MISTER WEST HAS, I MEAN, THE REASON CITIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHARGE FRANCHISE FEES IS, AS MR. WEST STATED, IT IS FOR THE USE OF MUNICIPALLY OWNED PROPERTY TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WEAR AND TEAR OR THE USAGE OR SO FORTH. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A THAT'S THE PUBLIC PURPOSE BEHIND CHARGING FRANCHISE FEES. I JUST APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS, AND I'LL JUST MENTION I TOOK A CALL FROM ESD ONE WHO JUST SAID IT'S, IT'S BEING MORE AND MORE CONFIRMED THAT LAKE TRAVIS IS LIKELY TO GET TO 100% FULL AT 681 BY TOMORROW MORNING. SO JUST AN FYI TO Y'ALL, I, I HAVE FAMILY. WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE UNDERSTOOD. I, I HAVE A.
OKAY, WELL, I JUST MENTIONED THAT'S WHY I STEPPED AWAY, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S FLYING IN LIKE IT IS IN THE ANALYSIS. IT'S GOING TO BE A SLOW RISE OVER THE MORNING. SO JUST SOMETHING TO WATCH. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT WHILE I WAS ON THAT CALL. MY TWO CONCERNS ALSO WITH THIS CONTRACT WERE ONE WERE THE LENGTH OF IT. IF YOU GUYS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, I WAS WONDERING. YEAH, I WAS WONDERING IF IT COULD BE HALF OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD DISCUSS. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A MUCH SMALLER LIKE FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, SEVEN YEARS IF PC HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? AND THEN ALSO I DIDN'T LIKE THE AUTO RENEWAL. IF YOU GUYS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT AUTO RENEWAL.
YES. YEAH, I'D RATHER IT HAS TO HAVE AFFIRMATIVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO CONTINUE ON. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. HANDING OFF YOUR THANK YOU MAYOR, I DID WANT TO JUST GO BACK OVER SOME OF THE HISTORY. WE STARTED THIS BACK IN JANUARY 6TH OF THIS YEAR, WHERE WE DID ASK THAT THERE WAS A STRENGTHENING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ACCESS PROVISIONS. WE DID HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FRANCHISE FEE REMAINING AT 4% VERSUS TWO. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHY. AND SO THEN IT MOVED FORWARD. THERE WAS A CONTINUED WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 5TH OF 26. WE AGAIN, AT THAT POINT WE HAD A RED LINE VERSION, AND WE DID DISCUSS
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WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING 4% FRANCHISE FEE. AND THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL LANGUAGE WAS A QUESTION AT THAT TIME. SO THEN MARCH 5TH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE THE FRANCHISE AGAIN, IN REGARD TO THE, THE, THE RED LINE DRAFT THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK. IT WAS A CONFIRMATION THAT THE LATEST VERSION DID REFLECT THE PRIOR COUNCIL COMMENTS. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 4% VERSUS THE 2% AND THE IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS. ON MARCH 19TH, THERE WAS AN ANOTHER ACTION ITEM FOR WHICH ACTUALLY COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA MOVED TO TABLE THE ITEM IN ORDER TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY LANGUAGE, CONSIDER THE EASEMENT AND ACCESS PROVISIONS. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DID DISCUSS THE FRANCHISE FEE PERCENTAGE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT OUTCOME OF THAT. AND SO WE DIRECTED STAFF TO NEGOTIATE THE REVISIONS WITH PEC BEFORE BRINGING THE FINAL ORDINANCE FORWARD. AND SO I'M GUESSING WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IN CHARLES, IS THAT FINAL NEGOTIATION AFTER THAT TIME. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GUESSING THAT PEC PUSHED BACK. SO WE ACTUALLY DID VISIT SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT HISTORY TO LIGHT. I THINK THAT TO ME. IT IS NOBLE TO REDUCE IT TO 2%. MY CONCERN THERE IS WHETHER OR NOT PECK IS UTILIZING THAT MONEY TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY US. WHEN THEY MUCK UP OUR RIGHT OF WAYS AND EASEMENTS, VERSUS US HAVING THE REVENUE IN OURS TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT ANY DEFICIENCIES, WOULD THAT DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WOULD ENFORCEMENT OF HAVING THEM DO THE RIGHT THING, YOU KNOW, EAT UP THAT EXPENSE? THAT WAS JUST MY $0.02 ON THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A 2% FEE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, AS LONG AS THERE WASN'T A COROLLARY PASS THROUGH SIDE OF THERE STILL BEING ON OUR BUDGET, THE NEED TO ADD TO OR RETAIN THAT 2% ON OUR BUDGET AND THE EXPENSE SIDE TO FIX OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO GO THROUGH THAT HISTORY. WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR A WHILE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE PECK MUST HAVE PUSHED BACK ON SOME OF THE ADDITIONS THAT WE ASKED FOR. I'LL SAY AGAIN, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING THAT I HAD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUSLY REGARDING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY, AND ALSO REPORTED. ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IS OUR OVERSIGHT FOR OUR SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT BETWEEN THE CUT THROUGH CUT THROUGH ONE OF OUR ROADS AND IT FAILS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, DOES THAT 4% THAT WE'RE GETTING ON THE PASS THROUGH FRANCHISE FEES, ARE WE, SINCE WE THROW IT INTO OUR FIRST GENERAL REVENUE, ARE WE NOT TAKING THAT AS MORE OF AN IMPACT FEE? WOULD IT BE A MAJOR ROAD OR ARE THEY COMING IN AND FIXING IT? AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHO IS ACTUALLY SURVEYING THAT? IF NOBODY KNEW THAT THEY CUT THROUGH THE ROADS OF INLAND. AND SO THE NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET SAYS, HEY, I REMEMBER SEEING A TRUCK DOWN HERE CUTTING THROUGH HERE. AND WE HAD NOTHING ON RECORD IN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED. I THINK THAT WE'RE THE DOCUMENTATION IS IS KEY. I FEEL LIKE THE PDC KNOWS THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY HERE, AND SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN MAKE THESE KINDS OF DEMANDS. AND WE KIND OF JUST HAVE TO BEND TO THEIR KNEE, WHICH LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD TO US AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEM. I JUST THINK THAT THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT.IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT IN THIS CONTRACT AND THE LANGUAGE. I DO NOT LIKE THE LENGTH OF IT EITHER, AND I DO NOT LIKE THAT. OUR RENEWAL 60 DAYS, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY COMMON FOR, FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY PREFER TO NOT HAVE AN AUTO RENEW. I WANT I WOULD PREFER IT TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. AND I THINK A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT IS, IS MORE IDEAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEREGULATION GOING ON ACROSS THE STATE ON PROVIDERS. IT MAY NOT JUST BE PEAK FIVE, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WE MAY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. AND I DON'T WANT TO LOCK OUR CITIZENS INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE IN THEIR BEST FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE LONG RUN. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU, MAYOR, AS
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WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS, CHARLES, SPECIFICALLY ON THESE, I KNOW IT WAS A POINT. DID YOU WERE DID THAT COME UP OR CAN YOU RECALL THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THESE SPECIFIC POINTS? OH, I REMEMBER PUTTING THEM IN THE RED LINE THAT WE SENT OVER TO THEM, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SENT BACK. SO I'M WILLING TO SEND ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEND BACK TO THEM. Y'ALL JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT IN THERE. I'LL PUT IT IN THERE AND WE'LL SEND IT BACK TO THEM AND SAY, TRY AGAIN. WELL, YEAH. MR. MAYOR PRO TEM, WERE YOU NOT DONE? NO, I JUST HAD ONE OTHER ONE OTHER ITEM. AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO CONVEY IS THAT IT'S USUAL AND CUSTOMARY TO HAVE AT LEAST A FRANCHISE FEE REPORTING WITH GROSS RECEIPTS THAT ARE SHOWN TO CALCULATE THIS PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, OF THE 4% AND HOW THEY'RE UTILIZING IT. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, CHARLES, IT WITH THE CONSENT OF THE REST OF COUNCIL, THAT WE REQUEST THAT THAT REPORT. MR. BONFIELD, I PROPOSE WE WE REQUEST THEM TO THAT WE INCREASE THE RATE WITH A COMMITMENT THAT THEY WON'T PASS THAT ON TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, TO OUR RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, LET'S RAISE IT TO 6%, 8%, 10%, BUT HAVE IT WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT THAT IT WON'T RAISE OUR RATES CORRESPONDINGLY.YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO CHARGE 4%, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT 8%, THEN GREAT. MR. PRINCE. YEAH, THAT'S JUST TOO PIE IN THE SKY. AS MAYOR PRO TEM TWO PIE IN THE SKY FOR ME AS MAYOR PRO TEM KIND OF WALKED US THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. MAYBE SOME OF IT IS ON PECK, BUT SOME OF IT IS ALSO ON US ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO DO. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER MOTION WE HAVE NOW IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, GO ADDRESS IT TO STAFF TO YOU HEARD WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND GO SEE, SEE IF YOU CAN GET BETTER. BUT, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC, RIGHT? SO IF I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES OF. WE'RE READY TO SIGN IT. YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER CAN GO BACK TO THEM AND SAID, WE'RE READY TO SIGN IT. IF IF THE CONTRACT BECOMES FIVE YEARS AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A PERPETUAL REASSIGNMENT AND, AND YOU'VE GOT TO DO YOU'VE GOT TO GET PERMITS TO DIG, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THOSE ARE THE, THE THREE BIG THINGS THAT I'M HEARING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE LINE IN THE SAND WHERE WE'RE HUNG UP ON SIGNING. WE'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON SIGNING FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THE CONTRACT'S TOO LONG. IT'S A RUBBER STAMP APPROVAL, WHICH WE THINK DOESN'T SERVE OUR CITIZENS. AND WE DON'T WANT THESE SURPRISE DIGGINGS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT. WAS THAT A MOTION OR THAT WAS A WHAT IF MOTION? IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, I'M READY. MAYOR PRO TEM, CAN I, COUNCILOR PRINCE, ADD THAT IT COMES BACK WITH THE FRANCHISE FEE REPORTING REPORT? HELP ME WITH WHO'S DOING THE REPORT AND PSC. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A USUAL AND CUSTOMARY. IT'S AN ANNUAL FRANCHISE FEE REPORTING THAT SHOWS THE GROSS RECEIPTS IN ORDER TO CALCULATE YOU KNOW.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE MONEY. SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CORRELATE WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING FROM CITIZENS WITH WHAT THEY'RE PAYING US. YES. CORRECT. OKAY.
YEAH. SURE. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. SO LET ME TRY THE MOTION AND HELP ME, MAYOR PRO TEM, IF I DON'T GET IT QUITE RIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO TO CONVEY TO PECK THAT WE'RE READY TO SIGN THIS CONTRACT WITH FOUR CHANGES. ONE, THAT IT BE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT IN DURATION AND THAT IT NOT HAVE AUTO RENEWAL IS NUMBER TWO. NUMBER THREE, THAT THEY MUST CONTINUE TO GET PERMITS TO DIG AND THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT ON FRANCHISE FEE COLLECTED FROM CUSTOMERS. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MISS SHEPARD, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE ABOUT THE PERMITTING. WHILE SOME SOME EMERGENCY WORK MAY NEED TO BE DONE BY PECK ON A WEEKEND, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THEM NOT HAVING A AN ACTUAL PERMIT DURING LIKE FOR THE CASE
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OF AN EMERGENCY WORK, BUT A NOTIFICATION PROCESS TO THE CITY IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER OR AFTER. MAYBE THERE'S AN AFTER HOURS HOTLINE OR AN EMAIL, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE RECORD AND DOCUMENTATION OF. SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CITY ONLY WORKS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 8 TO 5. UNREALISTIC THINGS HAPPEN ON THE WEEKEND DURING STORMS, HURRICANES.THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT TO COME OUT HERE AND DIG UP A LINE OR DIG ACROSS A STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. SO NOTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE UNDERSTANDABLE IN THAT SITUATION. I'D BE OKAY WITH APPROVING OR AGREEING WITH THE MOTION AS CARRIED. SO TO TO THE REQUEST WOULD BE, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO AMEND THAT, THAT THAT PORTION WOULD SAY, REQUIRE A PERMIT OR NOTIFICATION OF WORK DONE IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE TIME DOES NOT ALLOW ACQUIRING A PERMIT. DO YOU APPROVE OF THAT, MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY, CHARLES, ARE WE CHARGING FOR THESE PERMITS? NO, NO, NO FEE WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL? OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY IS APPROVED 5 TO 1. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A TEN MINUTE RECESS. AND WHEN WE COME BACK WE'RE GOING TO DO ITEM TEN THREE, THE CHARTER REVIEW. SO OY TIME LIKE GREAT. ALL RIGHT.
[X.2. Discussion regarding growing concerns related to homelessness, drug activity, litter, property maintenance, and code enforcement.]
TIME IS 722. WE'RE COMING BACK FROM RECESS. MR. BENNEFIELD OFFER. WE BRING UP HIS ITEM REAL FAST. ITEM TEN TWO DISCUSSION REGARDING GROWING CONCERNS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS, DRUG ACTIVITY, LITTER, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. MR. BENNEFIELD. YES, SIR. TIME AND CONSIDERATION FOR EVENTS. I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND ASK THAT IT BE BROUGHT UP IN THE NEXT CITY. MULTIMEDIA. OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT, MISTER PRINCE? ANY OTHERS? OKAY, I GUESS I'LL TAKE THAT AS A MOTION. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MISTER BENNEFIELD TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.YOU SAID THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? YES. AUGUST 6TH. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND, MR. PRINCE? SECOND TO THAT ITEM? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE
[X.3. Charter Review Work session.]
GOING TO JUMP ITEM TEN THREE THE CHARTER REVIEW WORK SESSION. I REALLY BEING OPTIMISTIC HOPING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD FINISH THE CHARTER TONIGHT.YEAH I KNOW, I WANTED TO ASK THE REST. COUNCIL, ARE YOU OKAY? IF MISTER OWN CITY IS REPRESENTING THE CHARTER HERE, IF HE WOULD SIT IN HIS SEAT SO HE HAS A MICROPHONE, THE CAMERA WILL BE ON HIM AND HE CAN TAKE NOTES. IS ANYONE OKAY? ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? OKAY, MISTER.
OH, YEAH. PLEASE COME UP. AND MR. ROWAN, WHEN HE SITS DOWN, WILL HELP ME WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL TO REMEMBER. MY THOUGHT IS, WHEN WE LEFT OFF, WE LEFT OFF ON CHAPTER NINE AND WE WERE DISCUSSING MY CO BOND LANGUAGE. PART OF IT, I WAS ASKED TO GO BACK AND TALK TO LEGAL BART AND ESTHER ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO. I PUT SOME PROPOSED UPDATED LANGUAGE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD JUST TODAY. THEY DID AGREE THAT THEY THINK IT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC IF YOU'RE TYING THE STATUTORY. THE COUNCIL HAS A STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO OFFER CO BONDS. IF YOU TIE THAT TO A VOTE OF THE CITIZENS, THERE COULD BE AN ISSUE THERE. HE WASN'T 100% SURE. SO TO CORRECT THAT, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS CREATING A A CITIZEN VOTE OF THE CO BOND THAT DOESN'T RESTRICT THE COUNCIL FROM STILL GOING FORWARD AND STILL OFFERING THE CO BOND, BUT THEY NOW HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AND INFORMATION THAT SAYS, HEY, THE PUBLIC IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CO BOND OR THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AND THEN YOU USE THAT AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. AND THEN I STILL TIED RECORDING REPORTING REQUIREMENTS IN THERE. AND I HAD ESTHER FROM TFTJF OR I FORGET THE ACRONYM FOR THE COMPANY WE USE. SHE SAID THEY PROVIDE ALL THOSE, ALL THAT DATA, ALL THAT INFORMATION. IT WOULDN'T BE ANY HASSLE TO THEM TO PROVIDE THAT IN LIGHT OF WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE BOND AND HAD THAT TRANSPARENCY. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT I DID COME BACK WITH PROPOSED UPDATED LANGUAGE, AND I HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO WITH THAT AGENDA ITEM IS THIS, THIS IS TEN THREE. I DON'T HAVE THAT ON MY AGENDA. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY AGENDA AS WELL ONLINE. AND IT DOESN'T FOR THE CHARTER WORK SESSION, CHARTER WORK SESSION. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THAT. SO I DOWNLOADED A COPY. OH YEAH. AND I'M ALSO LOOKING ONLINE AND ONLY CAPS AT 10.2. THERE IS 10.3. YEAH. IT'S ON MY HANDOUT AGENDA AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IT WAS ON THE PRIOR DRAFT THAT
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I APPROVED. BUT IF IT'S NOT ON THE WEBSITE THAT'S. YEAH. THE CHARTER DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA PACKET. SO. I'VE PULLED UP THE LAGO VISTA WEBSITE, THE LINK TO THE CHARTER, TO THE PACKET, THE AGENDA PACKET AND NOT CHARTER AGENDA AND AGENDA PACKET. AND THERE IS A 10.3 CHARTER REVIEW WORK SESSION. IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT THERE'S NO PACKET ATTACHMENT FOR IT. OH IT'S ON THE AGENDA BUT NOT IN THE PACKET. YES. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE AGENDA TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT Y'ALL CAN TALK ABOUT IT. NOW WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET. IT THAT'S NOT GOVERNED BY TUMOR TECHNICALLY. SO OKAY. YOU KNOW, I DID NOT LOOK AT THE AGENDA. I ONLY LOOKED AT THE PACKET. MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. AND TO BE FAIR, IF I MAY, THE PACKET ON PAGE FOUR HAS AGENDA ITEM X DOT THREE. SINCE THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER DOWN ON X DOT THREE, IT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS. IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, WHICH I OFTEN DO. YEAH. THANK YOU. MY APOLOGIES. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS I PROVIDED UPDATE LANGUAGE FOR 9.13. ASSUMING I JUST POSTED TODAY, Y'ALL MAYBE HAVEN'T GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE BLOWING THROUGH THE REST OF THE CHARTER AND COME BACK TO THAT ONE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UNLESS YOU WANTED TO JUMP INTO THAT.JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S OUR STARTING POINT HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO DISCUSS THAT CHANGE. 9.13 I THINK WE WERE READY TO GO INTO TOWN ON ARTICLE TEN TAXATION. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ARTICLES OF TAXATION. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO START. IF YOU WANT. IF WE'RE GOING TO START IN TEN, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER. I CAN READ THE CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS IN THIS SECTION. SO WE'LL START THERE. HE YOUR FIRST COMMENTS, BRAD. WE'RE ABOUT 10.01, SUBSECTION TWO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. THE COMMENT TOUCHES ON THE FLOOR AMOUNT, BUT THE BIGGER ISSUES UNADDRESSED, THE EXEMPTION AMOUNT ITSELF IS TBD. DID WE ADDRESS THAT, MR. OWEN? SOUNDS FAMILIAR. I'M JUST POINTING OUT, OR I WANT TO POINT OUT, THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER ADDITIONS THAT YOU SUGGESTED ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD TONIGHT.
9.18, 9.199.20. YOU PUT THAT OUT THERE, BUT I HADN'T HEARD A CONSENSUS YET. THERE WAS JUST ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. I EMBEDDED THEM IN THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENT, BUT NOTED THAT THEY WERE JUST FROM YOU. SO BEFORE YOU GO TO TEN, YOU MIGHT WANT TO FINISH. OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK TO NINE. WHICH ONES WERE THE ONES YOU SAID WE DIDN'T ADDRESS? THE ONE. ALL THE NEWER ONES, I ADDED. YEAH, WE SAID STRIKE THE CURRENT 9.18 TAXPAYER FUNDS TO NONPROFITS, WHICH I DID. I THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON THAT. BUT THE NEW 9.18, 9.19 AND 9.20 WERE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD FOR FROM YOU THAT. OH YEAH, NO CONSENSUS CAME YET. OKAY. YEAH, I OFFERED A NEW 9.18 SINCE WE HAD CHANGED THE NUMBERING FROM THE. WE STRUCK THE TAXPAYER FUNDS. ONE AND THIS WAS JUST A FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO. ONE THE PROPOSED AND ADOPTED ANNUAL BUDGET ON THE WEBSITE, QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORTS, CURRENT RESERVE BALANCES, OUTSTANDING DEBT OBLIGATIONS AND PLAIN LANGUAGE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENTS. I THINK I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP LAST TIME BECAUSE IT KIND OF ROLLED INTO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, AND IT SEEMED LIKE COUNCIL HAD SOME BELIEFS THAT WE ALREADY DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT INTO THE CHARTER. SO AM I ACCURATELY DEPICTING WHAT COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION WAS? I TOOK THAT AS A THAT SECTION WOULDN'T GO FORWARD, THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY MEMORY TOO, THAT THE 9.1. I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD NOW. SO THE. YOUR PROPOSED NEW 9.18,
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WHICH IS LABELED FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY AND HAS A NUMBER OF THINGS. I THINK WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE DISCUSSION WAS WE FELT LIKE THAT THIS IS JUST GOOD PRACTICE AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE CHARTER REQUIRES ALL THAT. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S MY MEMORY TOO. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUSH IT. SO I THINK YOU CAN STRIKE THAT ONE FROM THE DRAFT THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER, MR. OWEN. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID DISCUSS THIS ONE, BUT. 9.19 RESERVE POLICY.THE COUNCIL SHALL ESTABLISH BY ORDINANCE A FINANCIAL A FINANCIAL RESERVE POLICY FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY FUND, DESIGNED TO PROMOTE THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE CITY. COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADOPTED RESERVE POLICY SHALL BE REPORTED TO THE COUNCIL AT LEAST QUARTERLY, MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THAT ONE IS ME TAKING WHAT CHARLES ALREADY BROUGHT FORWARD THIS YEAR. HE BROUGHT US A RESERVE POLICY, AND I WAS JUST THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO MAYBE PUT IT INTO THE CHARTER. BUT IT MAY BE THE SAME ARGUMENT YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY ON THE PREVIOUS 9.18. MAYOR PRO TEM NO, THERE IS NOTHING IN STATE LAW THAT I'M. THAT REQUIRES THE RESERVE POLICY. SO I LIKE IT. OKAY. MR. O'BRIEN, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO STATE THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN STATE LAW THAT DOES. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING. AND I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD ADDITION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. I KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM HAS ALREADY PUT THIS FORWARD NUMEROUS TIMES, AND IT FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE PART OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY FORWARD FACING. SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THAT TRANSPARENCY. SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD ADDITION. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. YES, I DO LIKE THIS ADDED IN THERE IN OUR CHARTER. AND PART OF THAT IS THAT IT ESTABLISHES LONG TERM THINKING ON THE PART OF COUNCILS AND STAFF. AND AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT A RESERVE POLICY RESERVE POLICY IN THERE, IT DOES MEAN THAT WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW OUR FUNDS ARE USED OVER THE LONG TERM VERSUS THE SHORT TERM, IF WE'RE HOLDING TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE.
SO THANK YOU. I LIKE THIS IN THERE. OKAY, MR. PRINCE, JUST MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. SO THIS IS MAYOR PSALMS 9.19, WHICH REALLY JUST SAYS THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE. IT ACTUALLY IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE. WE ALREADY HAVE A FINANCIAL POLICY THAT HAS THE THE RESERVES REQUIRED IN IT. AND SO I THINK TO ME, THIS IS NEITHER FISH NOR FOWL. IF IF WE WANT TO SAY WHAT THE RESERVE POLICY NEEDS TO BE, AND WE WANT TO DICTATE THAT, I CAN SEE THAT MAKING SENSE OR SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE CHARTER. IT'S GOING TO BE A POLICY THAT THE CITY WILL DO. BUT THIS IS THIS IS AN ADDITION TO THE CHARTER, WHICH REQUIRES A BALLOT MEASURE THAT HAS NO TEETH. IT JUST SAYS THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GET IT. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT THE RESERVE POLICY SHOULD BE, WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT IN THE CHARTER? I THINK IT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A RESERVE POLICY, BUT WASN'T TRYING TO LOCK ANY FUTURE COUNCILS INTO WHAT THAT RESERVE POLICY WAS. MR. THE REASON I LIKE IT, ACTUALLY IN THE CHARTER IS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE CHARTER, FUTURE COUNCIL COULD ACTUALLY REMOVE THAT POLICY. AT LEAST THIS WAY, IT ENSURES THAT THERE IS A POLICY REGARDING THIS. AND I LIKE THAT IT SAYS AT LEAST QUARTERLY AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OUR CURRENT POLICY, IF IT'S NOT DONE BY ORDINANCE, IT COULD ALWAYS BE EDITED AND ENDED. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A BALLOT MEASURE THAT WOULD BE OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED BY THE PUBLIC. SO THAT'S ALL I KNOW. IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT DUPLICATIVE, BUT I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, HAVING IT IN THE CHARTER KIND OF PREVENTS IT FROM BEING REMOVED AS AN ORDINANCE OR REMOVED AS A AS A CLAWBACK THING FOR FUTURE COUNCIL. MR. JUST MY ONLY RESPONSE HERE IS THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS COMPLETELY TOOTHLESS.
AND SO, YES, IT REQUIRES AN ORDINANCE, BUT A FUTURE COUNCIL COULD SAY WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE TO SAY THE RESERVE POLICY IS ONE DAY, YOU KNOW, AND SO THIS REALLY TO ME IS NOT DOING ANYTHING. AND SO WHY DO WE NEED A BALLOT MEASURE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NOT DOING ANYTHING? WE DO HAVE AGAIN, I'LL SAY WE DO HAVE A FINANCIAL POLICY THAT KIND OF ESTABLISHES THE THE BASELINE. AND SO A FUTURE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO EITHER CHANGE THE FINANCIAL POLICY TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, TO REMOVE THE THE REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER OR, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE. SO AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO MAKE IF WE WANT TO FORCE FUTURE COUNCILS TO BEHAVE APPROPRIATELY, LET'S PUT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. IT'S JUST THIS
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LANGUAGE JUST DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF SOMETHING GOING THE CHARTER, BUT IT NOT HAVING ANY CONTENT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I'M HAPPY TO UPDATE IT TO, I THINK, WHAT CHARLES HAS ALREADY OUTLINED FOR US. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE CHARTER, IT SAYS ESTABLISHING A TARGET OPERATING RESERVE LEVEL AS 180 DAYS FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY FUNDS, AND 90 DAYS FOR ALL OTHER OPERATING FUNDS, ESTABLISHING MINIMUM FLOORS OF 90 DAYS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, UTILITY FUNDS, AND 45 DAYS FOR ALL OTHER OPERATING FUNDS. AND TO ME, THAT'S ACTUAL CONTENT WORTHY OF A BALLOT MEASURE. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SPENT SPECIFICALLY TIME THINKING ABOUT SHOULD IT BE THOSE EXACT NUMBERS? I THINK THEY'RE OKAY. SO I TO ME, THAT'S A LOT BETTER THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, A BALLOT MEASURE FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. I'M HAPPY TO UPDATE IT TO THIS, TO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. I'LL SAY THAT WHILE PUTTING A NUMBER IN THERE IS GREAT, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT EXACT TERM. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND PLANNING, THOSE DATES ACTUALLY DON'T ALIGN WITH THE TERM LONG TERM.THAT SEEMS MORE OF A VERY SHORT TERM GOAL SIX MONTHS OR LESS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. MAYOR PRO TEM SO LIKEWISE MY CONCERN I, I, I APPRECIATE AND AND ACTUALLY WOULD I LIKE THE NUMBERS FOR THE FLOOR. THE OTHER IS THE CONCERN OF NO MORE THAN DID IT STAY NO MORE THAN 180 DAYS. DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? IT. YES. IS ESTABLISHING TARGET OPERATING RESERVE LEVELS OF 180 DAYS FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY FUNDS, AND 90 DAYS FOR ALL OTHER OPERATING FUNDS. SO IT'S TARGETING THAT MUCH IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE OTHER OPERATING FUNDS. ALL RIGHT. SO.
WHERE I AM WANTING TO GO WITH THAT IS THAT SHOULD THERE BE A NEED AS REFLECTED, LIKE IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PLAN, WHERE IT IS REFLECTING CURRENTLY WITHOUT UNTIL WE REPLACE IT $250 MILLION THAT THE OTHER TARGETED RESERVES ARE THERE. SO NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO CONTENT CONTENT. WE MAY NEED THOSE TARGETED RESERVES TO OFFSET BONDING CAPACITY AT THE MOMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHERE I'M GROPING WITH RIGHT NOW IS HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT. YEAH, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT YOU WERE QUOTING CHARLES PROPOSED LANGUAGE, WHICH ARE MINIMUM RESERVES. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT MAXIMUM IN THERE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S YOUR CONCERN, MAYOR PRO TEM. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT IS THE MINIMUM. NOW WE CAN CERTAINLY WE AND FUTURE COUNCILS CAN AND SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF HEY, WE GOT SO MUCH MORE THAN 180 DAYS IN OUR RESERVE FUND. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON AND JUSTIFY. WE'RE REASONABLY GOING TO SPEND THAT ON THESE THESE TOPICS. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE NORMAL BUDGETING PROCESS. OKAY. SO COUNCIL, THE ONLY THE ONLY THING I'LL POINT OUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IS IF THERE IS A HARD FLOOR IN YOUR CHARTER.
YEAH. AND THERE IS AN EMERGENCY IN YOUR CHARTER. IF, IF A FLOOR IS ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE, YOU COULD EASILY CHANGE IT. BUT IF IT IS ESTABLISHED BY CHARTER AND FOR SOME REASON YOU NEEDED TO DROP BELOW THAT FLOOR, YOU'D BE INCAPABLE OF DOING SO BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THAT. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN QUICKLY. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT'S A PURE POLICY CONSIDERATION. BUT JUST BE AWARE THAT THERE COULD BE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. SO IF YOU CAN'T GO BELOW THAT FLOOR IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WORST CASE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE SCENARIO. THAT'S THE ONLY THING TO CONSIDER. IF YOU DO HAVE A HARD FLOOR IN THE CHARTER. YEAH. WELL, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE I PROPOSED THEN, AND IF WE'RE STILL GOING WITH THE THIS BODY IS SAYING IF YOU GET TO FOUR OUT OF SIX, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. I'LL ASK MR. HALL AND MR. BENEFIELD, WERE EITHER OF YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF JUST STATING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A RESERVE POLICY ORDINANCE? I DON'T HAVE A YOU KNOW, A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT WITHOUT IT BEING ESTABLISHED, WHAT THAT IS, IF WE'RE TYING UP FUNDS THAT WE CAN NEVER USE FOR ANY PURPOSE, EVEN IN AN EMERGENCY, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT THAT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TYING UP FUNDS THAT, THAT WE MIGHT IN FACT DO NEED, AS BRAD WAS POINTING OUT IN, IN SOME KIND OF SITUATION FOR, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF RESERVE FUNDS AS BEING THOSE FUNDS TO BE USED IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE OR WHERE UNEXPECTED SHORTFALLS OF IN THE
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BUDGET REVENUE. AND, AND WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR UTILITIES OPERATING. WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR, OUR WATER AND SEWER PLANTS OPERATING. AND SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MAJOR, MAJOR BLOW UP OF OUR, OUR UTILITY, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE. AND THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE FIXES THAT REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY. SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS I THINK OF AS, AS, AS GOOD USES FOR RESERVE FUNDS. BUT IF, IF WE CAN NEVER SPEND THAT MONEY AND IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, THEN I, I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. OKAY. I WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THEN IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE PROPOSED, IT DOESN'T PUT A FLOOR OR ANYTHING. IT JUST SIMPLY SAYS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES A RESERVE POLICY. YEAH. AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. SO AND THAT RESERVE POLICY COULD DEFINE IT. AT WHAT POINT THOSE FUNDS COULD BE ACCESSED AND USED BELOW. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE THE FLOOR IS ON THAT. WELL, THEN THAT WOULD BE FOUR OF US THAT ARE GOOD WITH THAT. SO WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON. OKAY. WELL THEN SINCE WE WENT BACK TO NINE, THEN I'LL GO BACK TO MY C O BOND ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS LANGUAGE IS NOT BINDING. YOU CAN DO THE REFERENDUM. THE CITIZENS CAN SAY, WE DON'T SUPPORT THE C O BOND, AND THE COUNCIL CAN STILL GO FORWARD AND DO A C O BOND, BUT YOU DO. SO FEELING MORE GUILTY. AND I THINK I DIDN'T DO AS GOOD ENOUGH JOB OF SORT OF EXPLAINING WHY I CAME FORWARD WITH THIS TO BEGIN WITH. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICS BEHIND THIS. I THINK THIS IS EXTREMELY POPULAR WITH THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I AM A REPUBLICAN. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MY PARTY IS LOOKING TO STRIKE DOWN ON. AND I WANT TO READ TO YOU WHY I THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO LAGO VISTA, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE C-O BOND PROCESS WAS ALREADY. I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NON-OFFENSIVE WORD, BUT I THINK IT WENT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT C-O BONDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE VERY LIMITED. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE TIME TO GO OUT FOR A GENERAL BOND. SO YOU WENT OUT FOR A C-O BOND. BUT LET ME READ TO YOU THE 2024 BOND THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF IT. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT ATTENTION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION OF THE CITY IN ONE OR MORE SERIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FUNDS FOR PAYING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS INCURRED OR TO BE INCURRED FOR. AND NOW WE LIST FIVE ITEMS CONSTRUCTING, IMPROVING AND RENOVATING CITY PARKS, IMPROVING, EXPANDING AND CONSTRUCTING CITY STREETS, INCLUDING RELATED DRAINAGE, SIDEWALKS, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AND LIGHTING. THREE IMPROVING, EXPANDING, CONSTRUCTING AND EQUIPPING RENOVATIONS TO THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO INCLUDE EFFLUENT DISPERSAL, IRRIGATION, UPGRADING WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND GROUND STORAGE TANKS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT TO INCLUDE POLICE RADIOS AND FIVE PAYMENT OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN CONNECTION THEREOF, INCLUDING LEGAL, ENGINEERING, ARCHITECTURAL AND FISCAL FEES AND THE COST OF ISSUING THE CERTIFICATES. SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING IN THE CITY, WE DID A BROAD BLANKET CO BOND THAT COULD BE USED FOR JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. AND SO TO ME, I THINK THE VOTERS HAVE ALREADY SEEN IT HERE IN LAGO VISTA. WE KIND OF WENT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF CEOS. YES, OTHER CITIES DO IT. THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR IT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE ANYMORE. SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR FUTURE COUNCILS TO PASS A C-O BOND WITHOUT IT BEING FOR VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE, AND FOR BEING ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY TO THE PUBLIC FOR A VERY SPECIFIC REASON. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'VE LOWERED THE THRESHOLD AT LEAST TO YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT FOR A REFERENDUM. WE'RE NOT TIED TO IT, BUT AT LEAST COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO STAND UP HERE AND IN THE FACE OF THE PUBLIC TELLING THEM, NO, I DON'T WANT THE C-O BOND. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT VOTE. SO THAT'S WHAT MY UPDATED 9.13 IS FOR. MR. MINNIFIELD. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF THIS, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE HARD WORK OF CITY COUNCIL, WE, YOU KNOW, REDUCED THE IRRIGATION QUOTES FROM 5 MILLION TO 3.6 MILLION. AND. THERE I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE WAS A RUSH, BUT THERE WAS LIKE, ALMOST LIKE, OKAY, WHERE DO WE SPEND THE REST OF THE MONEY? YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DO THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING THAT MONEY ON ARE GOOD, WORTHWHILE PROJECTS. BUT TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, SEE, ANY MONEY, ANY DEBT SHOULD BE DIFFICULT TO COME BY. AND, AND I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MAYOR PRO TEM. NODDING. SORRY. THAT'S A LOT. THANK YOU. OKAY, I LIKE IT. OKAY. MR. I WILL SAY ORIGINALLY[03:30:09]
AS PROPOSED, I, YOU KNOW, I HAD WENT BACK AND FORTH ON IT. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT IT.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER WEIGHING IN ON COUNCILOR PRINCE'S COMMENTS ON, ON WHAT A CO ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WOULD ACTUALLY PREVENT THE CITY FROM DOING A LOT OF THINGS. AND I KEPT SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY ELECTED US FOR A REASON, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ALWAYS VOTE US OUT IN TWO TERMS. YOU KNOW, SAME THING WOULD BE IS IF THEY PUT IT BACK ON A BALLOT, IT WOULD STILL BE A YEAR BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD COME, COME TO FRUITION. I DO LIKE THAT YOU CHANGED IT. THIS STILL PROVIDES THE ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS US TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WITHOUT GOING SIX, EIGHT, 12 MONTHS FOR AN ELECTION. SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT IT DOES BRING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO I DO LIKE THIS CHANGE. AND SO I'LL SUPPORT THAT, I LIKE IT, MR. HALL. I LIKE IT A LOT. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT THE WAY IT'S BEEN CHANGED AND I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE FIVE OF IF WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON. MR. PRINCE COMMENT OR QUESTION ON, ON THE NUMBER THREE SUBSECTION, EMERGENCY ACCOUNTABILITY AT NOT TRYING TO DIVE INTO THE LANGUAGE OF THAT, BUT THE, THE INTENT IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT IS THAT'S SORT OF THE OUT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO QUICKLY THAT YOU CAN'T DO THE, THE CITIZEN, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE CITIZEN ADVISORY REFERENDUM. YOU JUST WANT TO PUT SOME BOUNDS AROUND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO, TO BYPASS THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING FOR IT TO BE A POSSIBILITY UNDER AN EMERGENCY. YES. YEAH. YEAH. YEP. YEAH. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD WITH THE CONCEPT OF ALL OF IT. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM AND BOND COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON. DO THEY SEE US BOXING OURSELVES IN A CORNER THAT COULD GET US IN TROUBLE? I THINK THAT'S FAIR. I THINK THAT'S MY HOPE THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS. RIGHT.
WE'RE GIVING CONSENSUS ON CHANGES TO THIS. BUT ONCE WE GET TO THE FINAL LEGAL REVIEW, YOU GUYS WILL FLAG SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S A NO GO. OKAY. MR. RON, I COULD JUST MAKE ONE POINT THAT THE CRC WRESTLED WITH, AND THAT WAS HAVING THE THE BOND ELECTION FOR CEOS IN AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU HAVE A SHORT TERM MARKET OPPORTUNITY TO REFINANCE AND LOWER YOUR RATES. THE WAY I SEE THIS IS WRITTEN NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ARBITRAGE IN THE SHORT RUN, BECAUSE YOU DON'T DEFINE THAT ARBITRAGE AS AS AN EMERGENCY THAT YOU CAN BYPASS THE ELECTION. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CRC THINKING ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. MY THOUGHT WAS, YOU STILL CAN. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO. YOU STILL TAKE A VOTE OF THE VOTERS, BUT REGARDLESS IF THEY SAY YES OR NO, THE COUNCIL STILL CAN GO FORWARD WITH ANY C-O BOND, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BRAD'S POINT WAS AT THE BEGINNING, THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A STATUTORY AUTHORITY, AS ALLEGED FROM THE LEGISLATURE, TO ISSUE BONDS. THIS TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT DOESN'T BLOCK YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO DO IT. THE VOTERS CAN SAY NO, AND YOU STILL GO FORWARD AND PASS THE CO, BUT THE TIMING. YEAH, NO. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO REINFORCE MR. OWNERS RAISING THE POINT THAT THERE MAY BE A TIMING ISSUE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PARTICULAR MARKET WINDOW OPPORTUNITY, WHICH CERTAINLY WAS A CRC DISCUSSION. THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHETHER WE OUGHT TO FIND SOME LANGUAGE TO EXCLUDE REFINANCING BONDS THAT ARE NOT REALLY TAKING ON NEW DEBT. IT'S JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE. SO IF A REFUND, SOMETHING A BOND THAT IS JUST FOR REFINANCING TO GET BETTER RATES, THEN MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WRITE THAT, BUT IF THAT IF WE CAN KIND OF EXCLUDE THAT FROM THE I'LL USE THE WORD INTENTIONALLY, THE BUREAUCRACY, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE SAYING, LET'S PUT SOME BUREAUCRACY AROUND CO. SO IT'S NOT EASY TO THROW THEM OUT LIKE CANDY. IF WE CAN EXCLUDE REFINANCING FROM THAT BUREAUCRACY OR THAT PROCESS, SO THAT COUNCIL AND STAFF CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A TIMING WINDOW TO SAVE MONEY, THAT'S REALLY NOT INCURRING NEW DEBT. IT'S JUST TRANSFERRING TO LOWER RATES.
I'M OKAY IF WE KIND OF HAVE THAT AS A NOTE AND HAVE TO CLEAN THAT UP WHEN THEY WORK ON IT. OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE IN ARTICLE NINE BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ARTICLE? I THINK WE CAN GO TO TEN. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN I'M READING BRAD'S COMMENTS, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH. WE MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH TEN. MR. OWEN, DID WE. I THINK WE WENT TO TEN. I THINK WE JUMPED FORWARD AT ONE POINT. YEAH. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I THINK YOU JUMPED AHEAD TO THIS
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DURING THE 626 WORKSHOP. SO I MADE SOME NOTES RELATIVE TO SOME CHANGES. CONSENSUS AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE YOU JUMPED AHEAD AND YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE ITEMS FROM FROM BRAD. SO YOU HAVEN'T REVIEWED TEN IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT YOU HAVE REVIEWED IT. WE DID THE PORTIONS OF IT.WE DID THE HOMESTEAD PART OF IT. YOU STRUCK THAT OUT. YEAH. AND CHANGED IT UP. AND SO I REDLINED ALL THOSE CHANGES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WORKSHOP. OKAY. WHICH PARTS OF TEN DO WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS? THE ONLY THING YOU REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT I MADE NOTE OF IN TEN WAS THE 10.1 AND THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, BECAUSE THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM THE ATTORNEY, THE REST OF TEN. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE ADDRESSED IN ANY WAY. WELL, FRANCHISES OR SOME NOTES THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE MUCH. OKAY. YEAH, THERE WAS JUST SOME COMMENTS MADE THERE, BUT IT WASN'T IT WAS DISCUSSION BOARD OR ATTORNEY COMMENTS. IT WASN'T.
YEAH. FROM THE DYAS ACTUALLY THAT'S GETTING INTO 11. NEVER MIND. YEAH. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON 10.02. IT'S A SHORT ONE. 10.02 TO 10.04. I IT SEEMED PRETTY STANDARD. IT'S PROCEDURES TAX LIEN AND LIABILITY AND COLLECTION OF TAXES. AND YOU GUYS CARRIED OVER THAT LANGUAGE ON COLLECTION OF TAXES. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT. SO IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE EDITS FROM 10.01 AND I AS I CAPTURED THEM, THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT WHOLE ARTICLE. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT. YEAH, I SEE HEAD NODS. IT'S THE NEXT ARTICLE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN INTO ARTICLE 11, WHICH IS FUN FOR TONIGHT. FRANCHISES AND PUBLIC UTILITIES. HERE WE GO. I'LL SEE IF BRAD. BRAD HAD NO. WE DID TOUCH ON SOME OF THIS, DID WE NOT? BRAD'S FIRST COMMENT IS ELECTION THRESHOLDS. DID WE ADDRESS. NO WE DIDN'T.
OKAY. 11.04/11.11 ELECTION THRESHOLDS. 11.04 SAYS THIS IS FROM. BRAD SAYS PUBLIC UTILITY FRANCHISES OVER 20 YEARS REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL. 11.11 SAYS NO CITY OWNED UTILITY SHALL EVER BE SOLD OR LEASED WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. THIS POTENTIALLY TIES THE CITY HANDS.
I'LL LET BRAD ELABORATE. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK. I'M TRYING TO FIND MY COMMENTS. I WAS. SORRY I WAS DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE IDEA NOT TO NOT TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT ON YOUR CO ISSUANCE. I'M WONDERING, AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS, BUT I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT. THE AND I'LL DEFER TO BART ON THIS, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF THAT. IT'S GOING TO DO A CO. RIGHT. AND AND IF BEFORE ISSUANCE, THE CITY RECEIVES A PETITION SIGNED BY 5% OF VOTERS, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO VOTE.
RIGHT. WELL, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY COULD LOWER THAT THRESHOLD TO PROVIDE FOR GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY. YOU CAN'T MAKE THINGS MORE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE STATE LAW. BECAUSE IF YOU SAID NO, 10%, WELL, THAT WOULD VIOLATE STATE LAW. BUT 2.5% SAY WOULD BE A LOWER THRESHOLD TO TRIGGER THE ELECTION PROCESS, WHICH IF THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE FOR GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE USE OF CEOS, IF YOU LOWER THAT THRESHOLD, IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
SO SORRY. WHAT ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. YOUR CONCERN IN 11.04 AND 1111 WAS WHERE IT SAYS A PUBLIC UTILITY FRANCHISE OVER 20 YEARS REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL. AND THEN YOU SAID, BUT 1111 SAYS NO CITY OWNED UTILITY IN QUOTES SHALL EVER BE SOLD OR LEASED WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. YOU SAID THIS POTENTIALLY TIES THE CITY'S HANDS. SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT. YEAH, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, RIGHT. I MEAN, ONE OF THEM IS IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIMITED BY STATE LAW ON THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF A TERM, BUT IF IF I THINK I THINK
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ONE OF THE PROPOSALS IN WHAT I READ AT THE TIME WAS THAT THE SALE OF A OF A FRANCHISE REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL OR UTILITY. YOU YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THE ONLY THE ONLY THING I POINT OUT IS THE QUESTION IS, WHO MAKES THAT ULTIMATE DECISION? IS IT THE ELECTED BODY MAKING THAT DECISION? BECAUSE YOU MAY. AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS IN THE INTEREST OF. IN THE EVENT OF. YEAH. WEIRD, YOU KNOW, UNANTICIPATED CIRCUMSTANCES. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A PURE POLICY DECISION. THE ONLY REASON I FLAGGED IT WAS FOR YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT WHO. IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SELL UTILITIES, THE UTILITY. BUT IF YOU DO, WHO MAKES THAT ULTIMATE DECISION? AND THAT'S REALLY WAS THE POINT OF THAT COMMENT. MR. ALLEN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU GUYS WERE THINKING ON THIS, OR WAS THIS A CARRYOVER FROM THE CURRENT 1104 AND 1111 ARE BOTH CARRYOVERS IN OUR CURRENT 1004 AND 1011. THE ONLY AD I HAD THERE WAS ABOUT THE 20 YEAR FRANCHISE THAT WE DID DISCUSS THAT IN BY CONSENSUS ON THE COMMITTEE DECIDED NOT TO CHANGE THAT 20 YEAR TERM. BUT THE REST OF IT IS FROM OUR CURRENT CHARTER. MR. PRINCE, IS THIS THE SECTION WHERE YOU MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS CHARTER MEETING THAT THE 1111 WHERE IT SAYS NO CITY OWNED UTILITY SHALL EVER BE SOLD OR LEASED? THIS WAS AT THE TIME ABOUT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. IS THAT OR. NO, THIS WAS ABOUT NOT TAKING OVER THE PROPERTY AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. IS THIS THAT SAME SECTION? NO, THAT WAS NO, THAT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF EMINENT DOMAIN. AND THERE HAD BEEN THIS PUBLIC RUMOR GOING AROUND THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO TAKE PO PARKS AND TURN THEM INTO CITY PARKS. AND SO IT GOT ADDED TO THE CHARTER TO, TO CALM THE FACEBOOK RUMORS, FRANKLY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE CHARTER, THEN THE FACEBOOK RUMORS WILL POP UP AGAIN. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I THINK BACK THEN THERE WAS NO TRUTH TO IT. YEAH, YEAH. MAY HAVE BEEN MYSPACE AT THAT TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. I DID PROPOSE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD TO SIMPLIFY 1106 TO DEFAULT TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. IF IF THAT JUST MADE IT EASIER, I, I JUST PUT MUCH OF THIS. I SAID ALL FRANCHISES GRANTED BY THE CITY SHALL BE SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THIS CHARTER, THE APPLICABLE FRANCHISE ORDINANCE, AND THE TERMS OF THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR, AS I'M KIND OF RUNNING THIS THROUGH MY MIND AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT IF INDEED I. WE NEEDED $250 MILLION IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR SYSTEM GOING, KNOWING THAT, MY GOODNESS, AT 12 MILLION A YEAR IN AD VALOREM REVENUE AND WHATEVER WE BRING IN AND WATER IS WOEFULLY INSUFFICIENT FOR THAT 250 MILLION. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS IF THE REPAIRS NEEDED IN A GIVEN TIME EXCEEDED OUR CAPACITY OF BOTH RESERVES AND BONDING CAPACITY, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A P3 AGREEMENT IN THAT WOULD THERE WOULD THE 20 YEAR PROVISION. I'M THINKING THROUGH AS TO WHAT THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE P3 IS. IF THAT IS CONSIDERED ANY KIND OF FRANCHISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE MAY BE FACED WITH THIS IN THE NEAR TERM. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COULD STILL TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS. BUT THAT IS A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT AND WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOT OF EDUCATION DONE IN ORDER TO REALLY PROVIDE THE REALITIES OF WHAT THEY WERE FACING AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS 20 YEAR FRANCHISE THING MAY HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT WANT TO CONTEMPLATE, KIND OF READS THAT WAY. BRAD. YEAH. IF WE WANTED TO DO A P3 ON OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ACCORDING TO THE[03:45:05]
1111, WOULD WE HAVE TO GO TO A VOTE IF I GUESS IF THE P3 WAS ASSUMING CONTROL OVER THE WATER PLANT. WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY ASSUMING CONTROL. SO SO I THINK IT'S COMMON FOR I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR CITIES TO HIRE THIRD PARTY ENTITIES TO RUN YOUR UTILITIES. THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. BUT YOU STILL AS, AS THE OWNER OF THE UTILITY, YOU STILL MAINTAIN ULTIMATE CONTROL OVER THAT. THEY'RE JUST A CONTRACTOR WHO, YOU KNOW, DOES OPERATIONAL DAY TO DAY STUFF. SO I GUESS I'D NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF CONTROL. I THINK I, I THINK I CAN CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THESE P3 AND PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP, BUT YOU'RE BASICALLY FORMING A LEASE AGREEMENT. AND SOME OF THESE CAN GO 25, 30 YEARS, 50 YEARS SOMETIMES. AND SO THAT WITH THIS LANGUAGE IN THERE AS IT SITS NOW, THAT WOULD CAP IT AT 20. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN, BECAUSE IF IF WE HAD TO ENTER INTO ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU NEVER WANT TO GET INTO SOMETHING THAT LONG, BUT I'VE SEEN CITIES DO IT. I MEAN, THERE'S, I'VE SEEN 100 YEAR AGREEMENTS ON SOME OF THESE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS OUT IN BEAUMONT. SO NOT, NOT GOOD. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TYING OUR HANDS HERE. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A MAXIMUM LENGTH OF TERM IS FINE, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT. I THINK FROM. YEAH, IT'S I CAN DISCUSS THIS. SO I'VE, I'VE REPRESENTED A CITY THAT LEASED OUT BASICALLY THE OPERATION OF ITS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO A PRIVATE PARTY AND GOT IN SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT LITIGATION OVER THEIR OVER WHAT THE CITY ALLEGED WERE OPERATIONAL MISSTEPS. AND SO. LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT EVEN A EVEN A 20 YEAR TERM CONTRACT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT BECOMES. I DON'T LIKE I MEAN, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE AND BECAUSE OF WHAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE INTO IT LOCKED INTO A LONG TERM CONTRACT LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S CONSISTENT UNDERPERFORMANCE, BUT MAYBE NOT TO THE POINT OF CLEAR CONTRACTUAL BREACH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STUCK WITH LOUSY PROVIDER. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IN CONCEPT THOUGH, THE LEASING OF THE LEASING OUT THE OPERATION OF, OF A UTILITY TO A THIRD PARTY PROFESSIONAL THIRD PARTY IS, IS COMMON. OKAY. MAYOR, MR. OWEN IS WHISPERING IN MY EAR AND I THINK HE'S RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A CONTRACT FOR SOMEONE TO RUN OUR UTILITY, WHICH IS NOT A FRANCHISE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS TOPIC IS IN THE RIGHT. SO I THINK THIS 20 YEAR LIMITATION ON TAKE IT TO VOTERS, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A FRANCHISE FOR 20 YEARS LIKE WE HAVE WITH US ON ELECTRICITY, RIGHT? THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THAN A CONTRACT AROUND SOMEONE TO RUN, RUN THE UTILITY FOR YOU. I MEAN, THE, YOU KNOW, A FRANCHISE IS, IS, IS THE CITY'S RECEIPT OF MONEY FOR THE USE OF YOUR PROPERTY.THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING IT. I WAS LIKE, I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT P3'S ARE NECESSARY FOR SOME CITIES, OTHERWISE THEY GO BANKRUPT. YEAH. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE HERE.
THANK YOU. BRETT, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSED SOLUTION TO THE QUESTION YOU RAISED? YOU SAID TIES THE CITY HANDS. HOW DO WE UNTIE HIM? WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A POLICY DECISION. IF IF. I'VE NOT SEEN A LOT OF CITIES SELL THEIR UTILITIES.
AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY THAT'S A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT DECISION OF, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, DISINVEST IN THAT SORT OF A OPERATION. AND SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO. IF IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THAT IT OUGHT TO BE AUTHORIZED BY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CITIZENS, THAT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE. ON THE OTHER HAND. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHO DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION? IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT YOU DECIDED TO SELL YOUR WATER UTILITY? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A LEGAL QUESTION. THAT'S REALLY A POLICY QUESTION. AND BEFORE WE IF YOU WANT SOME ADDITIONAL
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COMMENTARY ON THE WHOLE CEO THING, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ONE. I'M SORRY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SAY WE, YOU KNOW, FOR FRANCHISES AND IN SELLING A PUBLIC UTILITY, ARE WE NOT ALREADY KIND OF DOING THAT WITH JONESTOWN NOW WITH THEM, WITH THEIR WASTEWATER? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF WE'RE KIND OF IN A CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR THAT OUT OF THE HOLLOWS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING THE INFORMATION CORRECT ON THAT. SO SO PROVIDING WELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK I THINK THE CITY PROVIDES.WASTEWATER CAPACITY, SERVICE AND CAPACITY, RIGHT? AS I MEAN, MORE LIKE AS A. WHOLESALER ALMOST. BUT IS THAT NOT DOES THAT I MEAN, THAT'S NOT AS A FRANCHISE. NO THAT'S NOT NO. I MEAN SELLING SELLING CAPACITY IN IN A LINE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE VICTOR WAS SHOWING ME A WE SELL, YOU KNOW, YOU SELL CAPACITY IN YOUR LINES ROUTINELY AND YOU GET REVENUE FROM THAT. SO I MAYBE I'M GETTING OFF TRACK HERE, BUT I'M NOT. WHETHER THERE'S TWO VERY DISTINCT TOPICS THAT HAVE SOMEHOW GOTTEN MERGED TOGETHER. SO IN, WHAT WAS IT, 11.04 OR WAS THE FRANCHISE 111.04 IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY THE CITY HAS TO ASK CITIZENS BEFORE WE SIGN UP FOR A FRANCHISE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, THAT'S ONE TOPIC. A COMPLETELY SEPARATE TOPIC IS 11.11, WHICH IS TO SAY IF IF WE HAVE AND THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS IN HERE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, INCLUDES PARKS AND SWIMMING POOLS. BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO SELL OFF OUR, OUR, OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, TO A THIRD PARTY, NOT, NOT ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THEM TO RUN IT. BUT THAT'S COMPLETELY. SO I THINK FIRST OF ALL, FRANCHISE IS NOT THIS THIS ONE. AND THIS ONE IS NOT ABOUT US PROVIDING SERVICES TO JONESTOWN. SO WE'RE TALKING THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAPACITY. AND INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY, LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE I WAS UNDERSTANDING IT PROPERLY. YEAH, I THINK NO CITY OWNED UTILITY IS NOT NO SERVICES WITHIN A UTILITY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. YEAH.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IF I REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, MR. OWEN, THE CRC DISCUSSED BOTH OF THESE 1104 AND 1111 AND DECIDED TO MAKE NO CHANGE RECOMMENDATIONS. CORRECT. I'M FINE TO STAY WITH WHAT THE CRC PROPOSED. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. MR. ALL, IS THE CITY PROPOSING TO LEASE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN, I MEAN, CITY SELLING A UTILITY IS ONE THING. CITY LEASING. THE OPERATION OF THAT IS IS IS THAT WOULD THAT INCLUDE NOT BEING ABLE TO. LEASE OPERATION OF OF A SWIMMING POOL OR ANYTHING ELSE TO WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL, I WOULD KNOW, I WOULD KNOW I, I THINK, I THINK AS I READ THESE PROVISIONS, YOU, I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT THEY CARRY OVERS FROM YOUR CHARTER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY PROHIBIT THE CITY FROM CONTRACTING WITH A WITH A THIRD PARTY TO OPERATE A POOL OR, OR YOUR UTILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU STILL ULTIMATELY MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE DONE WITH ARTICLE 11. YEAH. OKAY.
WHAT ABOUT. 11061106 YEAH, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS BY THE MAYOR ON. 1106 I WAS JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT, BUT IN THE LIGHT OF TIME, WE CAN YOU CAN KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.
IT JUST WAS LONG. IT WAS 11.6 AND YOU HAD TEN SUB POINTS. AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO. AND THEY ALL SEEMED TO POINT BACK TO STATE LAW, STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO DO IT IN ONE SENTENCE INSTEAD OF TEN. BUT. OKAY. AND I HAD A COMMENT ON OH, RIGHT. FORCED. 1109 ITEM TEN YEAH. OKAY. I MISSED THAT ONE. SO HE HAD AN ISSUE ON THE, IN THE EVENT OF A FRANCHISEE
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DAMAGES OR DESTROYS ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE FRANCHISEE AT THEIR EXPENSE WILL RETURN THE DAMAGED PROPERTY TO A CONDITION EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN BEFORE THE BEING DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. WELL, I WOULD KIND OF COME BACK TO. YES, THAT IS THAT DOES SEEM PROBLEMATIC WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS RAISING. AND SO IF WE'RE TOUCHING THIS SECTION, MAYBE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO TAKE THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT 250 WORDS HERE AND WE COULD BOIL IT ALL DOWN TO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW STATE LAW ON THIS TOPIC AND ESSENTIALLY REPLACE 11.06 WITH A. JUST A BOILERPLATE COVER OF STATE LAW APPLIES, WHICH OF COURSE IT DOES. WHETHER WE SAY THAT IN THE CHARTER OR NOT. SO WE COULD EITHER ELIMINATE 11.06 ENTIRELY OR REPLACE IT WITH A, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW APPLIES KIND OF LANGUAGE IN REGULATION OF FRANCHISES OR, OR TRY TO PARSE THROUGH THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS, THIS LAST SECTION, I, MY FIRST PASS THOUGHT WAS, LET'S NOT DO A BALLOT MEASURE ON THIS ONE. BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE WORKING OURSELVES INTO THINKING WE NEED A BALLOT MEASURE, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO SOMETHING. THAT'S A SIMPLE TRANSITION. IF YOU DELETE IT ENTIRELY, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BALLOT MEASURE TO CHANGE? IT'S A COMPLETE CHANGE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE REMOVING IT FROM OUR CURRENT CHARTER. OKAY. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE FORGIVE ME. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE BASICALLY WE ARE. ENFORCING LIABILITY ON A FRANCHISEE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.SO, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, NOT OUR ABILITY TO DO SO. THAT IS THAT THAT IS WHERE THE CATCH IS HERE. SO DOES THIS CAUSE US GRIEF, BRAD, TO KEEP IT IN THERE? IF WE JUST DECIDE TO NOT MAKE THIS A BALLOT THING? I MEAN, IT'S QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE LIABILITY THAT IT CAUSES? IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, THEN I'M IN FAVOR OF SIMPLIFYING TO MAYOR'S POINT. BUT IF WE KEEP IT EXACTLY AS IT IS IN THE CURRENT CHARTER, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A BALLOT MEASURE ON IT AND WORRY ABOUT IT. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, AS A CARRY OVER FROM THE CURRENT CHARTER, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TASKED WITH, WELL, IDENTIFY PROVISIONS THAT MAY RUN AFOUL OF STATE LAW OR FEDERAL LAW. WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THEM YOU'VE NEVER ENFORCED, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A DEAD LETTER IF YOU DON'T, IT'S I THINK IT'S EASIER TO LEAVE IT ALONE. AND BUT BUT IF WE ARE IF WE IF THE GOAL AND I STILL, YOU KNOW, I STILL NEED TO SEE THIS AS ONE KIND OF COMPLETE THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO. WHAT ARE WE ON? 11 ARTICLE 11 NOW, WHATEVER THAT IS. SO IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO TO EXCISE IT FROM A BRAND NEW ARTICLE 11 AND HAVE ONE BALLOT MEASURE FOR ARTICLE 11. I HAVEN'T MADE THAT DETERMINATION YET, BUT THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. SO THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU REMOVE IT, BUT IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING A BRAND NEW ARTICLE 11. AND SO THAT THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.
AND I CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE GOAL. I DON'T THINK REMOVAL OF A PROVISION THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE AND MAY NOT AND MAY BE PREEMPTED ANYWAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE ITS OWN BALLOT MEASURE BY ITSELF. IF IT'S. IF IT'S A QUESTIONABLE ENFORCEABILITY IN THE FIRST PLACE. MR. AUBRY, I WAS GOING TO SAY PUTTING THIS IN HERE REALLY DOESN'T DO A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE THERE IS LAW ON, ESPECIALLY ON. AND YOU ALSO INCLUDE THESE IN YOUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS ABOUT PROPERTY CONDITION UPON LIKE TRANSITION OR WHERE YOU'RE RUNNING IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LEASE AGREEMENT. YOU KNOW, YOU IF THEY DID, YOU KNOW, THEY LOSE THEIR DEPOSIT WHEN THEY MOVE OUT, IF THEY DESTROY YOUR PROPERTY. BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S, THERE IS FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BURN THE BUILDING DOWN, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO REPLACE IT OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE ON IT AND CARRY IT OVER. SO I DON'T SEE THIS BEING IN HERE HELPS US AT ALL. I THINK THIS WOULD ACTUALLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT. IT HELPS CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S,
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THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER REMEDIES BY STATE LAW TO, TO BASICALLY DO THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO DO HERE. SO DO YOU SAY, JUST REMOVE IT IF THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO, I'M FINE TO REMOVE IT. I SEE THREE NODS, FOUR NODS. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST WHEN YOU DO THAT ONE, WE'LL REMOVE IT. TO CLARIFY, REMOVE. REMOVING 10.06 TEN. JUST THAT ONE PARAGRAPH, OR REPLACE EVERYTHING THAT'S ENUMERATED HERE WITH THE. CATCH ALL THAT YOU PROPOSED ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. I THOUGHT ALL 10.06 IS THAT I THOUGHT 11.6, 11.06 YEAH, YEAH. JUST STRIKE THE WHOLE. 1106 YEP. AND THEN THE REST REQUEST FOR THE ATTORNEY TEAM IS, CAN THAT JUST BE INCLUDED? WE'RE TAKING THE CURRENT APPENDIX OR SECTION TEN. ARTICLE TEN IS BECOMING ARTICLE 11 IN THAT SAME BALLOT MEASURE, INCLUDING DELETING ONEPLUS 10.06 AND NOT HAVING THAT IN THE NEW ARTICLE 11. YEAH, I, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES, I'LL NEED TO LOOK AT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, IN A, AS A, AS A WHOLE ARTICLE, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ONE IN ARTICLE 11 FROM BRAD IS 1109. FORCED EXTENSION OF SERVICES. AND MR. OWENS SAID THEY JUST. THIS IS UNCHANGED FROM THE CURRENT CHARTER. BUT BRAD, YOU PUT. FRANCHISEES SHALL BE REQUIRED TO EXTEND SERVICES TO ALL PARTS AND PORTIONS OF THE CITY. AND THEN YOU SAID SUBJECT TO CN. BUT THE LANGUAGE COULD BE READ TO COMPEL A PRIVATE TELECOM TO EXTEND SERVICES EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY LIMITS MAY BE PREEMPTED BY STATE AND FEDERAL TELECOM LAW NEEDS VERIFICATION. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE I WOULD I WOULD WANT SOME CONTEXT AND KIND OF AND IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BEING A CARRY OVER FROM THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ENFORCE ANYWAY, BUT. I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE A FRANCHISEE TO PROVIDE EQUAL SERVICE. I MEAN, THAT THAT'S A, THERE ARE POTENTIALS FOR PREEMPTION THERE. AND IT JUST IT'S SUCH A BROAD MANDATE. IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW IT'S BEING APPLIED AND TO WHAT UTILITY IT IS BEING APPLIED. CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A FIBER PROVIDER, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO COVER EVERY PORTION OF, OF YOUR CITY.SO I, IT WAS JUST UNCLEAR TO ME LIKE HOW IT'S BEEN APPLIED IN THE PAST. I JUST DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME ISSUES WITH IT. BUT AGAIN, AS A CARRY OVER HASN'T APPARENTLY HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE CITY. SO. AS YOU'VE BEEN TREATING IT AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM, IS THAT METRO, A FRANCHISEE OR A CONTRACTOR, A FRANCHISEE? OKAY. I GUESS TECHNICALLY TECHNICALLY CONTRACT, I GUESS WE SIGNED A FOREVER CONTRACT IN 1990, 1980, WHATEVER. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DO WE JUST STRIKE THAT ONE? IS THAT ANOTHER ONE? WE JUST STRIKE IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER, BUT I MEAN, CARRYING IT OVER AGAIN. LIKE I SAID IT IT HASN'T IT HASN'T CAUSED ANY ISSUES. IT HASN'T BEEN A SUBJECT OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS ATTEMPTED TO ENFORCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW. I, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I JUST. YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T HURT MY FEELINGS IF YOU REMOVED IT, THOUGH. WELL, IN FACT, I WAS GOING TO SAY, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT, I ACTUALLY DO LIKE WHAT MAYOR SAM PUT HERE. FRANCHISEE SELF SUPPLY SHALL PROVIDE SERVICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THE TERMS OF THE APPLICABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IN ANY CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY MUCH PREFERABLE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
JUST TO POINT OUT THIS THIS PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH. I GUESS IT WENT TO SLEEP. THAT PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH WAS WITH REGARD TO EXTENSIONS. AND SO YOU KIND OF GOT THAT UNRELATED FIRST THING ABOUT UNIVERSAL SERVICE IS THE FIRST SENTENCE. AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE EXTENSION LANGUAGE. SO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE STRIKED, BECAUSE IT WOULD SEEM
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LIKE YOU WOULD STILL WANT SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT EXTENSIONS. YEAH, THE SECOND HALF OF THAT PARAGRAPH SEEMS FINE. IT'S JUST THAT FIRST SENTENCE. THAT'S THE PROBLEMATIC SENTENCE. YEAH, JUST THE LANGUAGE. I HAVE PLUGS INTO THAT AND REPLACE THAT FIRST SENTENCE AND KEEP THE REST. OKAY, SO YOUR LANGUAGE JUST REPLACES THE FIRST SENTENCE, OKAY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PERTINENT TO EXTENSIONS EITHER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T THINK I HAD ANY OTHER NOTES ON 11. MR. OWEN. I DID HAVE A PROPOSAL ON 1112, BUT I RESCINDING IT. OKAY. NEXT ONE IS ARTICLE 12. I DON'T BELIEVE. THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE.MAYOR PRO TEM, I KNOW BRAD IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, JUST THE TITLE ITSELF KIND OF EVOKED THAT EACH OF THESE WOULD BE, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES IN HERE, WOULD BE A SEPARATE CLAUSE FOR EACH. YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT GENERAL PROVISIONS WAS A GOOD TITLE TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT. FROM A FROM A BALLOT DRAFTING. STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING A HAVING AN ARTICLE THAT'S KIND OF LABELED MISCELLANEOUS AND YOU THROW A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE BALLOT PROPOSITION IS THAT IT HAS TO COVER A TOPIC. AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO IF, IF, IF IN A MISCELLANEOUS DRAW, YOU'RE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, KNIVES AND FORKS AND SPOONS OR ALL UTENSILS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE KNIVES OR NOT FORKS, YOU KNOW, AND SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT BOTH AGAIN, IT DETERMINES HOW, HOW CRITICALLY, I MEAN, NOT HOW CRITICALLY, HOW HOW MUCH FOCUS ARE YOU PUTTING? WELL, THEY'RE ALL UTENSILS. SO THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S ONE THING, BUT IF IT'S UTENSILS AND SPONGES, THIS IS A STUPID ANALOGY. BUT GO WITH ME HERE THEN. THEN AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY'RE ALL KITCHEN IMPLEMENTS. I MEAN, SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH. AND SO I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW THAT EACH SUB ARTICLE IN THEIR SUBPOINT NEEDS ITS OWN BALLOT MEASURE. I DON'T, I DON'T THAT'S NOT MY POSITION.
BUT BUT WE NEED TO BE EXERCISE SOME CARE ABOUT HOW BROADLY WE CAN WE WE CHARACTERIZE SOMETHING BECAUSE ONE BALLOT MEASURE LABELED. YOU KNOW, DO YOU APPROVE ALL OF THESE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS IS IS POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THE, THE, THE SECRETARY IS PROBABLY GOING TO KICK THIS BACK TO US ON BALLOT LANGUAGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE WAY IT IS. YEAH, IT'S JUST SORT OF. YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD RENAME IT, I'D BE KEEN ON, ON SEEING WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THAT. I THINK IT'S NOT JUST RENAMING. RIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU GO THROUGH 12. YEAH, THESE COULD ALL BE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF CHARTER AND, AND VARIOUS SECTIONS AND PROBABLY THEY SHOULD BE, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK IT IS A BETTER IDEA TO, YOU KNOW, IF THESE ARE MORE RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, ARTICLE SEVEN OR ARTICLE, THEN PUT THEM IN THAT ARTICLE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A MISCELLANEOUS. BECAUSE THAT'S FROM A BALLOT STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST VERY HARD TO ENCOMPASS THAT IN ONE BALLOT MEASURE. SO I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT REQUIRES MORE WORK, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO DON'T WANT SOMETHING KICKED BACK BY THE SECRETARY EITHER, OR CERTAINLY CHALLENGED AND INVALIDATED. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE THAT I THOUGHT ARE ALREADY STATE LAW. MAYBE WE COULD JUST DELETE THEM. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. I MEAN, DON'T I HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE WHEN I GET ELECTED? YES. SO THAT WAS ONE.
AND THEN INDEMNIFICATION OF OFFICERS. I THOUGHT THAT'S ALREADY COVERED SOMEWHERE.
PUBLIC RECORDS. I THINK EVERYTHING WE DO IS ALREADY. NOTICE OF CLAIM AGAINST THE
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CITY. I THINK THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN STATE LAW. IT IS. I THINK YOUR YOUR NOTICE WAS SHORTER. SO, YOU KNOW. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE STATE, THE TEXAS TORT CLAIMS ACT NOTICE DEADLINE IS SIX MONTHS, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN MAKE IT SHORTER. AND YOUR CHARTER MADE IT, I THINK 90 DAYS. SO THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT A SIX MONTH NOTICE PERIOD, YOU KNOW, IF I'M, YOU KNOW, PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, A SIX MONTH NOTICE PERIOD. YOU KNOW, IS, IS A BROADER WINDOW TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO ASSERT A CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO 90 DAYS. 90 DAYS IS A SHORT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POLICY CALL, BUT IT IS EASIER TO JUST FOLLOW STATE LAW. MY HOPE ON THIS SECTION, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A MISMATCH, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL GOES THROUGH AND SEES ARE THESE ANY OF THESE THAT WE DISAGREE WITH AND JUST WANT REMOVED? AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THE REST OF THEM I WAS KIND OF HOPING TO THROW BACK ON BRAD AND YOUR TEAM AND SAY, IF YOU READ THIS AND YOU THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARTICLE THREE, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARTICLE FOUR, COULD YOU GUYS JUST DO THAT? WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. COUNCIL, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT FOR THIS ARTICLE? OKAY, SO I WOULD SAY IN ARTICLE 12, JUST LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE ONES YOU DON'T THINK SHOULD BE IN THERE AT ALL. MAYOR PRO TEM YEAH, I AM JUST GOING TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION ARTICLE 12.10. YOU WERE ASKING WHETHER OR NOT. THE INTENT WAS EITHER THIS ARTICLE WAS AS PROHIBITED UNDER STATE LAW OR WHETHER IT WAS PERMITTED UNDER STATE LAW. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT THAT WAS CLARIFIED AS OR THE C OR C AS PROHIBITED UNDER STATE LAW. SO THAT IN TERMS OF ACCEPTING CASH OR CASH EQUIVALENTS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS POINTED OUT AS VERY CONFUSING TO ME. WE DON'T MIND. I MEAN, SHALL NOT ACCEPT AS WAS INTENDED BY SAINT WALTON. WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, WHICH IS ALREADY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO YEAH, I AGREE THAT SHOULD BE STRUCK AS WELL.I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WHAT WAS THAT 1210 FORMER 11.10. AND SO WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL ON THAT.
JUST TO STRIKE IT ALL TOGETHER OR TO REWORD IT SOMEHOW I THINK SAID STRIKE IT. STRIKE THAT LAST SENTENCE. ARE YOU PLANNING ON STRIKING ALL OF 12? WELL, I THOUGHT MY ASKING FOR NOW LEGAL WAS IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT'S ALREADY REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO REMOVE IT. YEAH. SO MY, MY SO IF WE LOOK AT THE LIST OF MY COMMENTS HERE, I MEAN, AND UNLESS YOU WANT A SHORTER KIND OF STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR NOTICE, THEN STRIKE 12.05 AND JUST GO WITH STATE LAW, STRIKE 12.09 AND JUST GO WITH STATE LAW AND STRIKE 12 AT LEAST 12.15, BECAUSE A IT'S MY COMMENT HERE WAS THAT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. SO IF YOU'VE GOT PROVISIONS IN YOUR CHARTER THAT ARE I MEAN IT.
I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE CRITICAL. IT'S. IT'S FINE TO UPHOLD THE. I MEAN, YOU SHOULD UPHOLD THE PRINCIPLES OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I'M NOT SUGGESTING OTHERWISE, BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO INTERPRET SOMETHING SO THAT. SO THAT A PROVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED IN A MANNER THAT MOST EFFECTIVELY UPHOLDS THESE PRINCIPLES. WE HAVE TO CONSTRUE IT IN THE MANNER OF THAT PROVISION AS IT IS WRITTEN. SO I YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING OTHER OTHERWISE. SO TO ME, 1215 IS JUST A PLATITUDE THAT IS UNENFORCEABLE. WHY HAVE IT? I AGREE, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS DOING ON SOME OF THESE. THESE WERE REMINDERS TO ELECTED OFFICIALS OF WHAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW, BUT IT MAKES IT JUST MORE COMPLICATED. IF WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT. IF WE HAVE TO PUT A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM ON THE BALLOT AND IT'S ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW, IT'S JUST NOT NEEDED. WELL, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW IS WE WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE A TRIAGE.
IF A CONFLICT DID ARISE THAT WE DIDN'T CATCH AND WE VOTED ON AND IS NOW IN OUR CHARTER, IF A SUBSEQUENT CONFLICT COMES UP, THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY YOU TRIAGE IT AND RESOLVE IT IS WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR THERE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAYORS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
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THE CODE CONSTRUCTION ACT ALREADY SETS FORTH IN STATE LAW HOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET, YOU KNOW, STATUTES. AND THAT APPLIES TO CHARTERS AND ORDINANCES. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WE'RE BOUND BY STATE LAW ANYWAY. AND AND AS A LAWYER, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IF SECTION 11.10 OR WHATEVER SAYS THIS THING, THEN I HAVE TO INTERPRET THAT LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN. AND SO, I MEAN, I GET IT, BUT I JUST THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AS A LAWYER EVERY SINGLE TIME IS WHAT DOES THAT SECTION SAY? OKAY, I'M AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT.SO RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IF IF IF EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT, STRIKE 12.05. STRIKE 12.09.
STRIKE 1210. STRIKE 12.15. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? 12.01 AS WELL YEAH. 12.01 OATH OF OFFICE. I HAVE. 120112051209 1210 AND 1215 JUST STRIKE ENTIRELY. OKAY. YEAH. DO YOU NEED 1211 NO.
BRIBERY PROHIBITED. ISN'T THAT ALREADY A LAW? WELL, YEAH, I'D SAY THAT TO BRIBERY. YEAH.
BRIBERY PROHIBIT IS ALREADY 12.1, 12.11. I WOULD YEAH. STRIKE THAT ONE TOO. AND THAT DOESN'T YOU KNOW JUST DOESN'T MAKE YOU PRO BRIBERY. YES. IT'S ALREADY A COVERED ALREADY. YEP.
THAT'S ALL I SEE IN 12. ANYONE ELSE. I WILL SAY THAT AGAIN. A LOT OF THIS WAS CURRENT CHARTER LANGUAGE. NOT TO POINT FINGERS. I WOULD JUST CALL OUT THE THINGS THAT WE FELT WERE IMPORTANT. THAT WE ADDED WAS 12.03 INDEMNIFICATION, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CHARTER. OTHER CHARTERS HAD IT AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT. ME PERSONALLY, I WANT TO PROTECT MY ASSETS FROM SOMETHING SOMEBODY DOWN THE LINE MIGHT DO. SO I DO REAL QUICK ON THAT. I THINK THAT ONE, I THINK WHERE IT GOES, IN ADDITION TO STATE LAW, MAYBE, IS THAT YOU INCLUDED BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE, INCLUDING VOLUNTEERS. IS THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATE LAW? YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED. I MEAN, CITY'S NOT OBLIGATED TO YOU KNOW, THE THINKING THERE IS WE WANT VOLUNTEERS, BUT WE DON'T WANT VOLUNTEERS TO BE SCARED AWAY BY GOING, I COULD SERVE ON THIS THING, AND DEVELOPER DOWN THE STREET IS GOING TO SUE ME BECAUSE I'M P AND Z. I VOTED AGAINST IT. SO. SO WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR, TAKING IT FROM OTHER CHARTERS THAT OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE ALSO INDEMNIFIED. I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THAT, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS COVERED BY STATE LAW. AND, AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTEER, I MEAN, AND LET'S LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THE KIND OF VOLUNTEERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VOLUNTEER, I MEAN, YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEER, RIGHT? YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, SO SO IF YOU ARE AN ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIAL WHO IS ACTING IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, THEN IN IN LARGE RESPECT, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE TEXAS TORT CLAIMS ACT, YOU, THE CITY AND OFFICIALS ACTING IN THAT CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU YOU ENJOY IMMUNITY FOR INTENTIONAL TORTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S AND OFFICIALS NEGLIGENCE IS LIMITED. YOU KNOW, UNDER THE TEXAS TORT CLAIMS ACT, THERE ARE CAPS. THE CITY HAS YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S POLICY WITH THE RISK POOL, WHICH COVERS ACTS AND OMISSIONS OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OFFICIALS AND, AND SO WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT I THINK I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE, WHILE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, AN APPOINTED ELECTED OFFICIAL OR EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, IF YOU ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT IS TORTIOUS CONDUCT IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU WANT TO BE INDEMNIFYING THEM FOR. THEN WE HAVE A FIGHT OVER, WELL, IN WHAT CAPACITY DID YOU COMMIT THIS TORT AGAINST THIS THIRD PARTY? IF IT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN EMPLOY, YOU KNOW, BUT I'VE SEEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND I'VE DEFENDED CASES. IF AN EMPLOYEE PUNCHES SOMEONE IN THE FACE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, WAIT A SECOND. YOU'VE GOT A CHARTER PROVISION THAT SAYS I'M INDEMNIFIED, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. IF YOU HAVE ANY INDEMNIFICATION IN THERE. AND THERE'S ALSO POTENTIAL, THE, THE, THE CITIES ARE PROHIBITED FROM PROVIDING THIS. FROM, FROM, FROM GENERAL INDEMNITY
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PROVISIONS. BECAUSE UNLESS YOU SET ASIDE A SINKING FUND, UNLESS YOU ESTABLISH A SINKING FUND AND YOU PUT MONEY IN THAT SINKING FUND AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T INCUR DEBTS THAT ARE MORE THAN A YEAR EXCEPT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. AND YOU HAVE THE SINKING FUND THING. I CITIES ARE, ARE, ARE PROHIBITED FROM ENTERING INTO BROAD INDEMNIFICATION, OPEN ENDED INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENTS ANYWAY, BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF CREATING SINKING FUNDS UNDER THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE THE GOAL WHICH IS TO ENCOURAGE. YOU KNOW, THAT. BUT BUT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY LARGELY PROTECTED FROM IMMUNITY AND OTHER THINGS. AND IF THEY DO THINGS IN THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITY, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A FIGHT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO INDEMNIFY THEM FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DID THAT WAS WRONGFUL AGAINST A THIRD PARTY. WHILE THEY HAPPEN TO BE VOLUNTEERING FOR THE CITY AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY ADMONITION. SO YEAH, THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. SO SO THIS I'M SEARCHING FOR A PERIOD IN HERE. AND I THINK IN THIS, YOU KNOW, 400 WORD SENTENCE, THERE'S NO PERIOD. SO IT'S A, IT'S A LONG COMPLICATED. BUT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DISCLAIMERS IN HERE. AND I. MY REQUEST, IF COUNCIL AGREES TO THIS WOULD BE FOR BRAD AND LEGAL TEAM TO READ THIS PARAGRAPH. AND NUMBER ONE, SAY, WOULD THIS BE PROVIDING ANY INDEMNIFICATION OVER WHAT'S ALREADY THERE UNDER STATE LAW? AND IF IT IS PROVIDING ANYTHING IN ADDITION AND HAS SOME VALUE, ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? AND I THINK THERE ARE I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE IN THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITY. AND THIS THIS HAS LANGUAGE AROUND WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, AND SO IS THIS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE? WHAT IS THIS? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE ARGUMENT IS LIKE, THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE. WELL, I WAS AT WORK WHEN I PUNCHED HIM IN THE FACE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I'VE HAD THOSE FIGHTS. SO, SO 12.03 IS THAT 12.03 INDEMNIFICATION OF OFFICERS. SO SO AGAIN THE REQUEST IS, IS THIS ACTUALLY ADDING ANY VALUE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS. THAT IS APPROPRIATE. AND AND ARE THERE ANY ANY ADDITIONAL EXCLUSIONARY LANGUAGE CLAUSES THAT NEED TO BE ADDED IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT BE MISUSED BY SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WALKING OFF THE DAIS AND PUNCHING SOMEBODY IN THE FACE AS YOU ARE GIVING AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M FINE. I WILL GIVE YOU 12.03 AND PROBABLY PROVIDE A SUGGESTED REWRITE. YEAH, PERFECT. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE IN 12? BECAUSE IF NOT, MR. OWEN IS FORCING US TO GO BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS. WELL. WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH 12, THERE'S SOME OTHER ADS THAT ARE JUST IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT CHARTER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DISTINGUISHED. 12.13 ADDING THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. 12.14, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PUTTING THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AS A REQUIREMENT IN THE CHARTER. BUT THAT'S PART OF STUFF IS IS KIND OF JUST CATCH ALL CONSTRUCTION OF THE CHARTER. SOME OF THAT'S PART OF THE AGAIN, IF BRAD'S LEGAL TEAM COMES THROUGH AND SAYS THE LAW ALREADY MAKES YOU DO THAT, THEN YEAH. SO. WELL, YOU ALREADY HAVE A MASTER. ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED A MASTER PLAN, YOU CAN'T ADOPT A MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT FORCED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT ONE AS A CITY. BUT ONCE YOU DO, YOU KIND OF IT'S KIND OF BAKED IN. YOU CAN'T JUST ABANDON IT. SO, SO I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR CHARTER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT DOES. IT'S ALREADY DONE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYTHING. I THINK IT COULD BE REMOVED. I THINK WHAT I THINK IT COULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. SO THE CONSENSUS REMOVE IT 12.14 IS THAT THAT'S NOT IN THERE. YES. YEP. YEP. OKAY. IT'S NOT IT'S AGAIN IT'S NOT RELIEVING THE CITY OF ANY OBLIGATION. IT'S BUT STATE LAW. ONCE YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET OUT OF IT. YOU IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REVIEWED EVERY. YEAH. I MEAN, ONCE ONCE YOU'VE ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED ONE, THEY HAVE TO BE REVIEWED PERIODICALLY. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT IT. BUT ONCE YOU DO, IT'S BAKED IN AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T. I DON'T IN MY OPINION, YOU CAN'T ADOPT IT. YOU'RE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW.SO AND FRANKLY, I DON'T I'M NOT REALLY AWARE OF CHARTER PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE MASTER PLANS. I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ONE ANYWAY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER CHARTERS HAD IT. SO WE KIND OF COPIED I MEAN, SOME SOME DO, SOME DON'T. I MEAN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYTHING. IT'S IT THAT WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A SMALL GENERAL LAW CITY THAT IS
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TRANSITIONING TO A HOME RULE CITY, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROVISION THAT'S IN AN ORIGINAL CHARTER THAT REQUIRES THIS CITY THAT'S JUST BECOME A HOME RULE CITY TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN, WHICH YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD ONE. IF YOU'RE A SMALL GENERAL LAW CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD ZONING, BUT THAT'S WHY THOSE TYPES OF THAT'S WHY THAT PROVISION WOULD BE IN THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN A LARGE, YOU KNOW, IN A LARGER CITY THAT'S ALREADY GOT ONE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ON. ON THE BACKING UP, MR. OWEN, AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE LIST, YOU PASSED PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION AND THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE. I WONDER WHETHER IN NOT IN MY MIND, NOT NOT DECIDING WHETHER THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT'S IN HERE IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. BUT I WONDER WHETHER THAT PARAGRAPH COULD BE, RATHER THAN IN THIS MISCELLANEOUS CATCH ALL ARTICLE. IT COULD BE IN IN ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS AROUND THE STAFF AND AND CITY COUNCIL INTERACTION MODEL WAS ONE NUMBER. I'M TALKING ABOUT. 12.13 WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION AND WONDERING WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE BETTER LOCATED IN IN ARTICLE THREE. AND WE'RE STILL IN AGREEMENT AS HE GOES THROUGH 12.IF YOU FIND THE SECTION, IT SHOULD BE IN, YOU GUYS, THAT ONE POPPED IN MY MIND, SO I PUT IT ON THE LIST. EASY. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IT IN THE HR SECTION. AND FOUR, I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES IT COULD GO. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE COULDN'T DECIDE. SO WE JUST DID THE CATCH ALL. WHAT WAS THE HR ONE ARTICLE FOUR. I THINK HE SAID 12 POINT. SO THIS 12.13 MIGHT BE LOCATED BETTER IN ARTICLE THREE OR IT MIGHT BE BETTER LOCATED IN ARTICLE FOUR. I GOTCHA I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT OKAY. YEAH. SO I THINK IF WE HAVEN'T NOTED ANY OTHER CONCERNS. 12 THEN WE'VE AGREED TO WHAT THE CRC IS PUT FORWARD.
SO NOW WE GO BACK TO PREAMBLE AND DEFINITIONS. YEAH. WELL, THE EXHIBIT I UPDATED WITH THE 626 WORKSHOP USING THE 331 MAYOR LAST TRANSITION PLAN. SO I AGAIN, I THINK I CAPTURED EVERYTHING THERE, BUT YEAH, I WAS GOING TO RELY ON LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THAT EXHIBIT WORKED OKAY. SO BACK TO THE MAYOR. I STEP AWAY FROM THE MEETING AND BE DONE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YES, THE PREAMBLE DEFINITION. MR. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAD COMMENTS ON IT, REQUESTED ONE OF THE MEETINGS, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN SUPERSEDED BY EVENTS, TO ADD A DEFINITION OF LIAISON. YES. SO WE INSERTED THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL NEEDED OR NOT. GIVEN THE. SHE WOULD PROBABLY LOVE IT. I CAN'T REMEMBER EITHER. DID WE REMOVE THAT PART ABOUT CITY COUNCIL LIAISON? I THINK YOU DID STRIKE. THAT WAS IN WHAT, 7 OR 8 ABOUT THE BOARDS OF ETHICS AND STUFF. SO I GUESS IF YOU REMOVE THAT THEN YOU DON'T NEED.
YEAH. THAT WAS REMOVED DON'T I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO DEFINE IT BECAUSE IT WAS USED LATER. AND IT WAS POINTED OUT BY BRAD THAT WE NEVER DEFINED IT. SO IF WE REMOVED IT, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO DEFINE IT. I DON'T THINK UNLESS WE WANT TO HAVE A CHARTER DEFINITION FOR WHAT A CITY COUNCIL LIAISON ACTUALLY IS. I MEAN, THERE'S NO HARM IN LEAVING IT. IT'S BEEN INSERTED.
BUT. WHAT DID I IT WAS EIGHT. I PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL LIAISON MEANS A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACT AS A COMMUNICATION RESOURCE AND POINT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND A CITY BOARD, COMMISSION, COMMITTEE OR OTHER ADVISORY BOARD. YEAH. SO ORIGINALLY THAT CAME UP IN THE CONTEXT OF 8.014, WHERE YOU WERE SAYING PLANNING AND ZONING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND BUILDING STANDARDS WOULD BE JOINTLY NOMINATED BY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS. YOU BY CONSENSUS OF STRICKEN THAT WHOLE SENTENCE OUT. SO THE QUESTION NOW IS DO YOU LEAVE LIAISON IN SINCE IT'S NOT USED ANYWHERE, USED ANYWHERE ELSE, OR THERE'S NO HARM IN LEAVING IT IN OR GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT BACK OUT? I'M FINE LEAVING IT IN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LIAISON.
IF ANYONE EVER HAS A QUESTION, I GUESS I SEE, I SEE, THAT'S NOT OKAY. ANY OTHERS IN THE SECTION WE DIDN'T COVER? THE NEXT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MEANS ELECTED OFFICIALS SUCH AS THE
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MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM. AND THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM YOU, MR. MAYOR, THAT YOU THINK MAYOR SHOULD BE REMOVED. AND THAT WAS CAME FROM A LEGAL COMMENT. SO IN THE DISCUSSION BOARD, YOU POSTED THAT YOU THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED. I NEVER HEARD A CONSENSUS. OKAY.COUNCIL MEMBER MEANS THE MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE JUST THOSE DESIGNATED BY PLACE. YEAH, BRAD MENTIONED COUNCIL MEMBER MEANS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SUCH AS MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM. COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY ALSO BE REFERRED TO HEREIN AS OFFICERS OR MEMBERS. MULTIPLE PROBLEMS A THE A D R COMMENT CORRECTLY NOTES THAT DEFINING MAYOR AS A COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES OTHER MAYOR SPECIFIC REFERENCES REDUNDANT. B OFFICERS IS ALSO USED IN 12.01 THROUGH 12.13 TO REFER TO A BROADER CLASS EXAMPLE. APPOINTED OFFICERS AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN C MEMBERS IS SEPARATELY USED IN 3.06 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SPECIFICALLY, THESE THREE TERMS ARE USED INCONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT SOMETIMES OVERLAPPING, SOMETIMES DISTINCT. YEAH, I SAID I AGREE, MAYOR REMOVE THE MAYOR FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DEFINITION AND THEN GO THROUGH AND CORRECT ALL THESE OTHER MISUSES OF THE TERMS. WELL. MOUTH WAS FULL APOLOGIES. I THINK THE. BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS OFFICE BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS A VOTING MEMBER. I DON'T KNOW THAT REMOVAL OF THE POSITION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER OF COUNCIL IS. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IF YOU'RE ALSO A VOTING MEMBER OR WHOEVER'S THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME WHERE THE MAYOR IS A NON-VOTING. AND SO IN THAT CASE, I GET THAT. SO I THINK I WOULD LEAVE MAYORS AND MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LEAVE MAYOR AS A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL BECAUSE, MAN, THE MAYOR, THE POSITION OF MAYOR IS A VOTING MEMBER WHO JUST HAS SOME EXTRA DUTIES AS SET FORTH OTHERWISE IN THE CHARTER. I JUST WOULD LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS OR MEMBERS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT IT BE USED CONSISTENTLY. AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEN I RETRACT MY FIRST PART. AND THE SECOND PART IS, YEAH, PLEASE GO THROUGH AND CORRECT IT. IT DRAWS INTO QUESTION THEN, WELL, YOU'RE A VOTING, YOU KNOW. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR OFFICE MAYOR IS A VOTING MEMBER. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RIGHT. YOU'RE JUST SAYING THE TERMS NEED TO BE USED UNIFORMLY THROUGHOUT. AND WE CAN I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON. OKAY. LET ME WRITE THAT DOWN. SO LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR NOW. YEAH.
THERE WAS THE REQUEST TO ADD THE DEFINITION OF MUNICIPAL OFFICE OFFICERS. I TOOK A STAB AT THAT ON 11. YOU PUT MUNICIPAL OFFICERS ARE THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY SECRETARY, THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE POLICE CHIEF, AND THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE. THAT WAS THE LIST I TOOK DOWN. SO. YEAH. OKAY. THERE WAS SOMETHING HERE ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION. OH, I JUST CORRECTED THE CODE REFERENCES. OKAY. OKAY. THE REST OF THIS IS THE PETITION THRESHOLDS. I THINK YOU ALL CAME TO A CONSENSUS ON THAT. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVING. TAX RETURN AS EVIDENCE OF RESIDENCY. CLEARLY, THE INTENT OF THE CRC WAS THAT THIS IS NOT A LIST THAT YOU MUST PRODUCE AND TURN IN TO PROVE YOU'RE A RESIDENT. IT'S EVIDENCE THAT YOU COULD VOLUNTARILY OFFER UP. AND WE FELT THE TAX RETURN THAT SHOWS YOUR HOME WAS A STRONG PIECE OF THAT EVIDENCE. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT TAKING THAT OUT. I NEVER HEARD A CONSENSUS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I THOUGHT WE AGREED TO TAKE IT OUT, BUT MAYBE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. SO REMOVE MOST RECENT TAX RETURN AND JUST LET THAT SENTENCE READ STATE
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EDITION IDENTIFICATION, VOTER REGISTRATION, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION STATUS, OR OTHER EVIDENCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE DWELLING AS SETS INDIVIDUALS FIXED AND PERMANENT DWELLING. I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. MR. PRINCE, I JUST IS THIS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE RESIDENTS SHALL BE DEFINED AS PER STATE LAW, BECAUSE THIS IS A. YEAH. SO YEAH, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A GOOD DEFINITION IN STATE LAW. YEAH. SO I THINK YOU DO. SO I DO THINK YOU NEED TO DEFINE IT.I JUST, YOU KNOW, SO, SO TO THE POINT ABOUT THIS MOST RECENT FEDERAL TAX RETURN, THE KIND OF THE CATCH ALL THAT MR. OWEN JUST READ OR OTHER EVIDENCE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY FEDERAL TAX RETURN. SOMEONE COULD CHOOSE TO BRING IT IN. IT'S JUST THAT IF YOU REMOVE IT, THEN, THEN AND THEY CHOOSE TO OFFER IT TO YOU, RIGHT THEN THEY CAN'T ARGUE, HEY, YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR MY FEDERAL NOW, WOULD IT BE A GOOD ARGUMENT? NO, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE A GOOD ONE. BUT BY LISTING IT, I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF COVERED AS A CATCH ALL AT THE END ANYWAY, SO WHY INVITE AN ARGUMENT? YEAH, YOU COULDN'T BE ASKED FOR IT, BUT THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION WAS IF A PERSON PRESENTED A TAX RETURN TO THE CITY SECRETARY, THAT IS PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE THAT THAT'S MY HOMESTEAD. NO MORE QUESTIONS NEED BE ASKED. AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE JUST CLEARLY, THAT'S IT, ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON, INCLUDING A TAX RETURN. BUT I DON'T AGAIN, I DON'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE SOME SOME SUPER STRONG FEELING ABOUT IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COULD INVITE DISPUTE AND YOU FIND RESIDENCY TO FIND MULTIPLE WAYS, WHICH IS WHY WE STRUGGLE TO FIND ONE. BECAUSE DEPENDING UPON WHICH CODE YOU LOOK AT, IT'S DEFINED DIFFERENTLY. AND THEN YOU INTRODUCE DOMICILE. AND THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF COMPLEXITY. SO SO WE'LL LEAVE TAX RETURN IN AS OR TAKES IT OUT. TO COUNCIL. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY'S ATTORNEY GUIDANCE WOULD BE TO TAKE IT OUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. OKAY. TAKE IT OUT. YEAH. I WOULD TAKE IT OUT AND SOMEONE COULD PRESENT IT UNDER THAT KIND OF CATCH ALL CATCHALL ANYWAY. EXACTLY. SO WE'LL TAKE IT OUT. PLEASE TELL ME THAT'S IT. ARE YOU ABOUT TO CLOSE THE MEETING? NO. WE STILL HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY, I WANT TO IF I IF I MAY NOT ON THIS TOPIC. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE REAL QUICK, I THINK BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE DONE NOW, RIGHT? WITH THE CHARTER PART, MAYOR, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON, I CAN GO THROUGH I DON'T WANT TO MOVE ON. I MY HOPE WAS TONIGHT TO BE DONE WITH OUR PORTION OF CHARTER SO THAT WE COULD GET IT TO THE ATTORNEY SO THAT THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THIS CHARTER, IT IS IN A FORMAT OF WHERE WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO SAY WE'RE DONE. WHAT IS OUR DATE AGAIN THAT WE HAD TO HIT? WHAT WAS OUR DEADLINE? WELL, YOU HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION BY AUGUST 16TH OR 17TH. SO REALLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE ONE MONTH. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT ONE MONTH. AND WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT I NEED THEN ARE, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT WORK TO DO ON ARTICLE 12 AND KIND OF REASSIGN AND STRIKE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. FOR THE OTHER ARTICLES, WHAT I WOULD LIKE ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS FINAL VERSIONS AS PROPOSED. YOU KNOW, AS WITH CONSENSUS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO THAT I CAN DO A FINAL LEGAL REVIEW AND SEE IT IDEALLY AS ONE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO INTERPRET EVERYTHING AND SEE IT ALL IN AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUAL ARTICLES. SO IF WE CAN, IF I CAN GET THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'LL TAKE US A LITTLE WHILE TO DO THAT. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY. AND FROM THERE, THAT IS WHAT I WILL THEN BEGIN DRAFTING PROPOSED BALLOT MEASURES. OKAY. FROM THAT. SO I THINK IF WE'RE DONE US ALL GOING THROUGH IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE US THAT ONE DOCUMENT AT THAT TIME. CAN YOU ALSO BE WORKING ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE? YES. OKAY. ONCE I GET KIND OF A WHAT, MR. OWEN, THE CLEANED UP VERSION FROM MR. OWEN OR, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THESE THINGS I LIKE I SAID, I'LL WORK ON 12 AS SOON AS I GET THAT. AND I CAN SEE IT ALL IN CONTEXT, I WILL YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE MAKING, YOU KNOW, COMMENTARY AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, YOU KNOW, MINOR LEGAL REVISIONS ON, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL ARTICLES OR SUBITEMS IN THERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONCE I SEE THAT, THEN I CAN GIVE YOU BEGIN REALLY DRAFTING THE BALLOT MEASURES. ONCE I HAVE THAT, OKAY, DO I NEED A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO GO OVER THE BALLOT MEASURE LANGUAGE? YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU BECAUSE WELL. HOW LONG YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN DO I GET THE WHEN I GET THE DOCUMENT AND. I MEAN, YOU
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KNOW, I CAN HAVE YOU BALLOT MEASURE LANGUAGE. YOU KNOW, GIVE ME THE FULL DOCUMENT AND I CAN GIVE YOU EVERYTHING IN A WEEK OR SO, TEN DAYS, BECAUSE WE COULD POSSIBLY DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. ON THE 30TH. THAT'S A THURSDAY. SORRY. WELL, WE CAN DO IT A DIFFERENT DAY. BUT THAT WEEK, THAT WEEK IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE COULD FIND A AGREED UPON DATE, ONCE COUNCIL COORDINATE WITH CHARLES, WE CAN DO A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WEEK JUST ON THAT. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE THE MEETING ON AUGUST 6TH WHERE WE CAN HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS FROM WHAT WE WENT THROUGH ON THAT, AND THEN THAT GETS US DONE BEFORE THE 16TH, OR GIVES ME THE OPTION TO HAVE ONE MORE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THE WEEK OF THE 10TH. YEAH. IF WE HAVE SOME LAST MINUTE THING THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, YOU STILL GOT THOSE TEN DAYS OR SO. OKAY, I SEE HEADS NODDING THEN. OKAY, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M SORRY AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS OUT. BUT AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS ON THE RECALL PETITION, I THINK THE CRC HAD SAID 5% BECAUSE OF THE ADDED THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING, AND WE MADE IT 10% BY ITSELF. BUT IF WE GO TO IF WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD THE THREE YEAR TERMS OR THE PROGRESSION OF. AND WE TOOK OUT SOME OF THE ETHICS PROVISIONS, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS MAYBE WE MIGHT WANT TO REVISIT THAT TO BE A 5%. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO ANY HIGHER THAN 5%, HONESTLY. STATE LAW. SO I THINK OKAY, SO THAT MAY BE A STATE LAW THING ANYWAY.5%. THE ORIGINAL CHARTER WAS TEN. WE RECOMMENDED AS A PART OF THE WHOLE BALANCED APPROACH OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A ONE AND DONE THREE YEAR TERMS, WHICH THE THE VOTERS AREN'T REALLY KEEN ON, BUT BALANCING IT WITH SAYING, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALLY LIKE THREE YEAR TERMS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS WAY. ONE MAJORITY VOTING.
TWO, WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE RECALL PETITION FROM 10% TO 5%. THREE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BOARD OF ETHICS. AND FOUR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TERM LIMITS. AS THIS HAS EVOLVED, WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE THREE YEAR TERMS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CRC RECOMMENDED.
BUT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND MAJORITY REQUIREMENT. BUT THE BOARD OF ETHICS IS GONE. WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE 5% BACK UP TO 10%, MAKING IT HARDER FOR ACCOUNTABILITY. AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TERM LIMITS, WHICH FRANKLY, I AGREE, TERM LIMITS AND TERM LIMITS SHOULD BE ON THE SAME BALLOT IF IT'S NOT ONE AND DONE SO, THE OPTICS ARE EVERYWHERE WHERE WE TRY TO MAKE BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING MORE TENURE AND AT THE SAME TIME, MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE TERM LENGTHS GOT ACCEPTED, BUT ALL THE ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES GOT TRASHED. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP IS THE 5% FOR RECALL PETITION IS STILL A HEFTY HURDLE, BUT THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THE VOTERS COULD SEE, AND THE CRC SAW IT AS AN ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE LONGER TERMS. THERE WAS ALREADY STATE LAW ABOUT RECALL, RECALL, CONTEMPLATE, RECALL, INITIATIVE, RECALL AND REFERENDUM WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL CONTEXT ARE GOVERNED BY YOUR CHARTERS. I LIKE 5%, 5%. I MEAN, I THINK 5 TO 10% IS PRETTY STANDARD. AND THE ONE YOU CHOOSE IS REALLY A POLICY CALL. CERTAINLY. I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH MR. OWENS EXPLANATION IS, IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LONGER TERMS, A, A, YOU MAY WANT THE LOWER END ON A RECALL AS A TRADE OFF. I MEAN, THAT CERTAINLY THERE'S CERTAINLY LOGIC TO THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A POLICY CALL. SO JUST A CONSENSUS ON THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ON 5 OR 10, MR. PRINCE? I'M FINE. I'M FINE WITH IT. GOING TO FIVE I THINK THAT'S A CRC ARGUMENT WAS THAT MR. OWEN LAID OUT IS IS PRETTY CLEAR. MR. ALVAREZ SAID YES ON FIVE. I'M FINE WITH FIVE. MR. HALL SAYS FIVE. OKAY. SO WE CAN GO BACK TO FIVE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'VE WE'VE OUTLINED A PLAN HERE. WE'LL GET THIS DOCUMENT TO BRADBURY. WE'LL TURN IT OVER A WEEK. WE'LL WORK WITH CHARLES TO FIND A TIME ON THAT. WEEK OF THE 27TH. WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING TO DO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, AND THEN I'LL HAVE IT AGAIN ON AUGUST 6TH SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY FINALIZE IT AT NIGHT. IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T FINALIZE IT, THEN I GOT THE NEXT WEEK TO DO ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING SO I CAN GO THROUGH THE REST AND CALL OUT
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WHERE THE DECISION POINTS STILL NEED TO BE MADE. OKAY. IS THERE STILL ARE MORE QUESTIONS? IF WE WERE SILENT ON IT, THEN WE WE'RE GOOD WITH THE CRC QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AFTER WE MADE REVISIONS. BUT YOU KNOW, THINGS GET POSTED ON DISCUSSION BOARD AFTER THE MEETINGS. SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, ARE WE REVISITING THIS TOPIC? AND A LOT OF THEM WERE YOURS THAT THEY'RE FROM ME, I RESCIND THEM. I, I'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BEFORE WE MOVE ON. I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN MR. ELLEN, LET ME ANSWER THIS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE 5%.BUT I DON'T RECALL AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATED, IS THAT TOTAL REGISTERED VOTERS OR IS THAT VOTERS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE LAST ELECTION? IT WAS REGISTERED VOTERS. I MEAN, LOOK AT YEAH. OKAY. NOW JUST REGISTERED VOTERS OF THE CITY, AN EQUAL NUMBER TO THE LAST REGISTERED VOTERS AT THE TIME OF THE LAST GENERAL CITY GENERAL CITY ELECTION. OKAY. SO JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT SOME CHARTERS TIE THAT FIVE, WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS TO THE IT'S, YOU KNOW, X PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION, WHICH MAY BE MORE REPRESENTATIVE. NOW, THAT'S A TOTAL POLICY CALL. SO JUST BEAR IN MIND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A DECISION THAT YOU I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHICH WHICH VERSION Y'ALL HAD. SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW EASY YOU WANT TO MAKE IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED LAST TIME IS GOING TO BE A SMALLER NUMBER THAN THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS. SO YEAH, SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST FYI, I DIDN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IN TERMS OF ACTUAL NUMBERS, IF YOU APPLIED THAT, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD THAT BE UNDER UNDER THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE? WELL, IF IT WAS, IF YOU CHANGED IT TO WHAT HE SAID OF THOSE THAT ACTUALLY VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION, WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S LIKE AROUND 2000, 3000. IF IT'S IF IT'S OF ALL OF THEM, YOU'RE AT LIKE FIVE OR 6000 OR 6000. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S LIKE 8000 REGISTERED VOTERS. SO 10% WOULD BE 800, 5% WOULD BE 400. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY RIGHT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF WHO VOTED IN ODD NUMBERED YEARS, IT TENDS TO BE ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE AND EVEN NUMBERED YEARS. IT TENDS TO BE ABOUT 4000 PEOPLE. SO GIVEN THE TIMING, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, 5% OF OF 2000 PEOPLE IF WE USE THAT NUMBER. SO IT'S BASICALLY A MULTIPLICATION FACTOR OF ONE 4 TO 1, RIGHT? IF WE DO ALL THE REGISTERED VOTERS, IT'S FOR EITHER 2 OR 4 TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT VOTED DEPENDING ON EVEN EVEN OR ODD YEARS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REQUIRE 5% OF REGISTERED VOTERS. IT WOULD BE 5% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTERS IN THAT PREVIOUS. THAT'S WHAT HE HAD SAID. OTHERS DO.
BUT THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY CRC PUT IS OF ALL REGISTERED VOTERS, REGISTERED VOTERS. THAT IS A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD. IT IS. AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID, AND I'M GLAD IT WAS BROUGHT UP AGAIN, THAT 10% IS TOO HIGH OF A BAR. ABSOLUTELY. SO. YEAH, SO SO 5% OF TOTAL REGISTERED VOTERS, IF THAT GETS YOU ON AVERAGE, WHAT, 400, 400. YEAH, ROUGHLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT I HAVE HANDLED A NUMBER OF RECALL ELECTION AND ISSUES AND CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS. AND, AND USUALLY, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A EVEN GETTING 400 REGISTERED VOTERS TO AND GETTING PETITION REQUIREMENTS ALL COVERED AND THE VERIFICATION AND INEVITABLY PEOPLE SIGN WHO AREN'T REGISTERED VOTERS OR THEY'RE, THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LET IT LAPSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL A HURDLE TO OVERCOME. IT'S NOT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET RECALL PETITIONS EVERY OTHER DAY EITHER. I MEAN, IT'S ENOUGH OF A, OF A, OF A CHALLENGE TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ENOUGH PEOPLE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT SOME CITIES HAVE IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THE LAST ELECTION. SO YEAH, I'VE SEEN THAT TOO. AND THAT'S AND THAT FOR ME, THAT THE HIGHER THRESHOLD FOR THAT AMOUNT, THE 10% OR 10% WOULD MAKE SENSE. BUT IF IT'S ALL REGISTERED VOTERS, THEN IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE A LOT LOWER BECAUSE WE'D NEVER HAVE A HUGE TURNOUT, UNFORTUNATELY. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S BEEN CHANGING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE, BUT ALSO OUR POPULATION HAS INCREASED TO I THINK. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO STAY WITH THIS. RIGHT? YEAH.
OKAY. MR. PRINCE, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I WANT TO SAY THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO IF COUNCIL IS AMENABLE TO IT, STEP BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION, ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR A SHORT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CLOSE THE MEETING TONIGHT. OKAY. BEFORE
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THESE ITEMS THAT ARE UP? WE HAD WORK SESSION ONE ON A CITY ZONING ORDINANCE ON COMMERCIAL TRAILERS. WE HAD A BUDGET WORK SESSION, WHICH CHARLES HAD ALREADY SAID HE WANTS SOME MORE TIME TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS, AND THEN ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. UNLESS SOMEBODY WAS SEEKING IMMEDIATE COUNCIL GUIDANCE, I WOULD SAY LET IT GO TO AUGUST 6TH. YEAH, I'LL POST MY MY LIAISON REPORTS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING PERTINENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S PRESSING RIGHT NOW. I CAN PUT IT OFF TO AUGUST. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE AND IT IS ON THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION FORUM. THE EDC DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL OR REQUESTED US TO LOOK AT SOME THINGS. IT'S UP THERE. WE CAN FINISH DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY, BUT THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION. SO I THINK I HAVE TO READ THEM IN AND AND TABLE THEM. IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT THOUGH. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'LL READ IN THESE ALL TOGETHER THEN. ITEM TEN WORK SESSION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION EIGHT THROUGH TEN AND CITY CODE, SECTION SIX THROUGH 65 CONCERNING COMMERCIAL TRAILERS. PARK WITHIN RESIDENTIAL PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. ITEM TEN FOR BUDGET WORK SESSION. ITEM 11 ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST AND ALL THE ITEMS UNDER 12 STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THESE ITEMS. MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE ITEMS AS READ ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING. I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY.[II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9072. GO OVER EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. ACCORDING TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE TITLE FIVE D 5551071. PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS. SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND SECTION 551.07 FOR DELIBERATION REGARDING THE EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, ASSIGNMENT, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER, EMPLOYEE DELIBERATION REGARDING RESPECTIVE DUTIES OF APPOINTED MEMBERS AND COUNCIL REGARDING CITY PERSONNEL. WE THANKFULLY. ALL THE TIME IS 912. WE'RE NOW COMING BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING ITEM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ACCORDING TO THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT CODE TITLE 576RD75551071. PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, DELIBERATION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF PUBLIC OFFICER OR DELIBERATION REGARDING DUTIES AS APPOINTED MEMBERS AND COUNSEL REGARDING CITY PERSONNEL. COUNSELOR, IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM? MAYOR NO ACTION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SOME SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO THIS ITEM WE'VE BEEN CARRYING ON THE AGENDA FOR SOME TIME, AND WE HAD CITIZEN COMMENTS ON IT, FRANKLY, EARLIER IN THE MEETING, WHICH WHICH BROUGHT US TO THE STATE THAT WE RECOGNIZE WE NEED TO CLOSE THIS OUT. AND SO THE REASON THAT WE'VE HAD THIS ITEM ON A COUPLE OF AGENDAS IS, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A PROBLEMATIC SITUATION IN ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONS AND WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE ANY ACTION. WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT NAME ANY NAMES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING NAMES OUT. IF WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING ANY ACTION. AND SO WE HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NO ACTION IS APPROPRIATE. AND SO THIS IS NOT AN ITEM THAT WILL CONTINUE TO CARRY GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, MY DESK IS CLEAR. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE. THIS MEETING