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          CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. I HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. I DID JUST SEE COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA COME IN THE BACK ROOM. OKAY. SO I DO HAVE EVERYONE 
          [II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
HERE. OUR FIRST OUR FIRST ORDER WILL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL CONVENE IN CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ITEM ONE, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5510071, REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. WE'RE CONFIDENTIAL. ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. TWO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, TITLE FIVE SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH HIS ATTORNEY TO SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING PROPOSED INITIATIVE ORDINANCE CONCERNING PROHIBITED PROHIBITION OF MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IN THE CITY. ITEM THREE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DELIBERATE REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY TO APPOINT AN ACTING CITY MANAGER OR OTHER DESIGNEE TO PERFORM THE DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER DURING AN EMERGENCY, TEMPORARY ABSENCE OR INCAPACITY. ITEM FOUR DELIBERATION REGARDING THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.072, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE SAME PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 PURCHASE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 20406 EARHART LANE, LAGO VISTA, TEXAS. 78645 LOTS 13015 AND 13016 HIGHLAND LAKE ESTATES, SECTION 13 A RESUBDIVISION OF LOT 13001 HIGHLAND LAKES ESTATE, SECTION 13 AND PARCELS ONE THROUGH NINE WATER BOARD RESORTS GOLF COURSE, HIGHLAND LAKE, S T SEC. 5 TO 1832 AND A BS2534SUR36. CANTWELL JACR0 .9550. TOTAL 111.6268 ACRES. 
          ITEM FIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, TITLE FIVE, SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH HIS ATTORNEY TO SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SALE, CONVEYANCE OF HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE SUBDIVISIONS THEREOF AND STATUS OF 2017 PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT RELATED THERETO. ITEM SIX CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071 REGARDING CHARTER REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO COUNCIL MEMBER ABSENCES AND LEGAL ADVICE RELATED THERETO CONCERNING COUNCIL MEMBER ABSENCES AND ITEM SEVEN CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL CONCERNING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES AND DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SECTION 551.074 CITY MANAGER 551.071 LEGAL ADVICE RELATED THERETO. COUNCIL. ARE THERE ANY AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU INTEND TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND EXECUTIVE SESSION. THERE ARE SEVERAL. THANK YOU. MAYOR. WE HAVE SEVERAL REGARDING FLOCK, SO INTEND TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS THERE. OKAY. W WE ALL READY? ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 411. WE ARE NOW COMING BACK FROM 
          [III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]
EXECUTIVE SESSION. AS A REMINDER, WE RECONVENE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND OPEN SESSION TO ACT AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE AND CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING THE ITEMS THAT I READ IN BEFORE. I WILL START READING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT BEFORE I DO GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED WHILE WE WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES, MAYOR. WE DISCUSSED. WE VERY BRIEFLY DISCUSSED ITEM NUMBER TWO, LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING A PROPOSED INITIATIVE ORDINANCE, AND I PREPARED A MEMO TO COUNCIL WITH WITH LEGAL OPINIONS IN THAT WE SPENT MORE TIME ON THE ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPOINTING AN ACTING CITY MANAGER OR OTHER DESIGNEE. WE DID NOT GET TO NUMBER FOUR. THAT WILL PROBABLY BE SAVED FOR LATER. WE ALSO DID NOT GET TO NUMBER FIVE. THOSE BOTH DEAL WITH ISSUES RELATED TO THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE AND PROPERTY THERE, AND WE VERY BRIEFLY DISCUSSED ITEM NUMBER SIX RELATED TO THE ABSENCE ISSUE AND THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTS. AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, A EMPLOYEE ISSUE REGARDING CITY MANAGER CHARLES WEST. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM ONE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WERE CONFIDENTIAL. ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. COUNSEL. IS THERE ANY ACTION, MAYOR? NO ACTION. THANK YOU. 
          NUMBER TWO, EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT 
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CODE, TITLE FIVE, SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS. 
          SEEK ADVICE ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING PROPOSED INITIATIVE ORDINANCE CONCERNING PROHIBITION OF MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IN THE CITY COUNCIL. IS THERE ANY ACTION, MAYOR? NO. ACTION ITEM THREE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DELIBERATE REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY TO APPOINT AN ACTING CITY MANAGER OR OTHER DESIGNEE TO PERFORM THE DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER DURING AN EMERGENCY, TEMPORARY ABSENCE OR INCAPACITY. COUNSELOR, IS THERE ANY ACTION? MAYOR. YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ACTIONS I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE ON THIS. SO LET ME START WITH THE FIRST. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT SINCE MR. WEST HAS SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION AND HE IS CURRENTLY OUT ON LEAVE, MEDICAL LEAVE THAT WE APPOINT CHIEF RON JOY AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, AND THAT THAT THAT DESIGNATION WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL WE GET AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER IN PLACE. 
          AND SECONDLY, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT MR. ERIC ZENO AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. NO, MAYOR, I'M INTENTIONALLY NOT USING THE WORD ACTING HERE. THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND THAT MR. JOY WOULD LEAN HEAVILY ON MR. ZENO TO HELP HIM IN THIS THIS TIME OF TRANSITION. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY MY MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNSELOR PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD, THE ONLY REASON I'M GOING TO VOTE NO TO THIS IS I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO CONTEMPLATE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. THE DISCUSSIONS UP TO THIS POINT WAS NAMING MR. ZENO AS AN ACTING ASSISTANT MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, AND I LIKELY WOULD SUPPORT YOUR PROPOSAL IF I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT YOUR PROPOSAL, YOUR YOUR MOTION HAS GIVEN ME FIVE SECONDS TO CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, THAT SCENARIO. AND SO WITHOUT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT IT, I'D HAVE TO SAY NO. AND THAT'S FAIR. I'LL SIMPLY SAY, MR. BENNEFIELD, THE REASON THAT I, I MADE THAT DECISION TO MAKE THE MOTION IN THAT MANNER IS THAT WE NEED MR. ZENO TO HELP THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, AND I BELIEVE WE WILL STILL NEED MR. ZENO TO CONTINUE IN THAT ASSISTANT ROLE TO ACT TO ASSIST THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AFTER WE HIRE. AND SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT NOT JUST AN ACTING POSITION, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS A LITTLE MORE A FIRM BASIS TO IT. SO THAT'S THE REASON I MADE THAT DECISION. I RESPECT YOUR RESPONSE. YEAH. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SEPARATE YOUR MOTION INTO TWO ONE, DESIGNATING CHIEF JOY AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, AND THEN A SECOND MOTION DESIGNATING MR. ZENO AS A PERMANENT ASSISTANT MANAGER? I AM WILLING TO DO THAT. SO I'LL ADJUST MY MOTION TO BE APPOINTING CHIEF JOY AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE FIND AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO BE IN THAT POSITION. MAYOR PRO TEM, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT CHANGE? I ACCEPT THAT CHANGE. OKAY. WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR. THEN THE SECOND MOTION, WHICH I ALREADY TEED UP IS I WOULD I WOULD MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINT A APPOINTED ZENO AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND INSTRUCT CHIEF JOY, WHO JUST APPOINTED AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, TO UPDATE THE CITY ORG CHART TO REFLECT THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION I. MR. BENNEFIELD, JUST TO BE CLEAR TO MR. ZENO, I DON'T SEE HIM IN THE ROOM. MY MY NEGATIVE VOTE IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF MY THOUGHTS OR HIS ABILITY ON HIS ABILITIES TO DO THE JOB, BUT RATHER THE LACK OF PREPARATION COUNCIL HAS MADE TO MAKE SUCH A DECISION TO. THIS TIME WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUDGET SET ASIDE FOR AN ASSISTANT MANAGER. WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT HAVING A FULL TIME ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND SPECIFICALLY MR. ZENO. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT MY NO VOTE IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT I THINK OF HIM, BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE I WISH THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DISCUSSION AND CONTEMPLATION WITH THIS. BEFORE THE MOTION WAS MADE, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNSELOR BENNEFIELD. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I KNOW THAT CITY MANAGER WEST DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD. WE'VE CONTEMPLATED QUITE A 
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WHILE NOW. THAT BEING SAID, I RECOGNIZE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH MR. WITH MR. ZENO QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THE REST OF THE COUNSELORS, JUST BY NATURE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE EDC. BUT I FEEL THAT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ACTUALLY HAS BEEN ABSENT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE NEED SOME STABILIZATION HERE BETWEEN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND SO HENCE IS WHY I'M VOTING IN THE MANNER THAT I AM. I GUESS JUST WHY WAS IT NEVER MENTIONED? WHY WAS IT NEVER DISCUSSED? I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING WHY IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED OR DISCUSSED. WHY? WHY THIS MOMENT? ARE WE BEING BOMBED, SHELLED WITH EMOTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE? I MEAN, IT, IT'S. MR. BENNEFIELD, I, I BELIEVE THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND I'LL LIMIT TO THAT. SO I'M SORRY THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IT WAS A SURPRISE. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE THE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS NAMING HIM AS ACTING ASSISTANT MANAGER? MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T WANT TO GO FURTHER ON THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. MOST DISCUSSION UP HERE USUALLY IS IN GENERAL ON THE POLICY. WE DON'T HAVE TO DIRECT OUR QUESTIONS BACK TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. HALL, JUST A QUESTION IS, DOES THIS MOTION ESTABLISH A ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SUCH A POSITION IN FORMAL FORMALLY IN THE BUDGET OR INTERPERSONAL LISTING. IS THAT THE CASE? I BELIEVE THAT'S MR. PRINCE'S MOTION. COUNSELOR HALL, AS AS MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED, FOR MANY MONTHS WE HAVE DISCUSSED BEEN DISCUSSING THE POSITION OF ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. AT THIS TIME, I COULD NOT TELL YOU IF AN ASSISTANT CITY CITY MANAGER IS IN THE BUDGET OR NOT, BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS PRETTY, PRETTY OPAQUE AND HARD FOR US TO SEE. AND SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S IN THERE OR NOT. 
          MAYBE IT IS, MAYBE IT'S NOT. BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA FOR MANY MONTHS AND, AND THE INTENT WAS TO DO IT. SO I. I'M, I'M SURPRISED AT THE REACTION HERE, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST. WE ABSOLUTELY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHETHER THAT'S ACTING OR IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES ON FOR SOME TIME, IS REALLY THE QUESTION. SO WE'VE GOT TO PAY FOR AN ACTING ACTING ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IF WE DO THAT. AND WE HAD CERTAINLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION. SO I I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION HERE. WE MAY NEED TO JUST GET TO A VOTE. ME, MAYOR, I, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN HERE AND I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO DIS I THROW ANYTHING OFF THE RAILS. HOWEVER, I THINK I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOW FROM AN AGENDA PERSPECTIVE. AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE ITEM, THE ONLY ITEM UNDER WHICH THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, AN ACTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. AND ITEM NUMBER THREE SAYS TO APPOINT AN ACTING CITY MANAGER OR OTHER DESIGNEE. SO UNDER OTHER OR OTHER DESIGNEE, I THINK THE IMPLICATION IS THAT ACTING AS WELL. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE AGENDIZED FOR THE CREATION OF A PERMANENT POSITION. AND SO JUST FROM A PURE TOMA PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO IT AS ACTING. AND IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAKE IT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE A NEW POSITION AT THAT TIME. BUT AS I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THIS, THIS, I'M JUST I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, MR. PRINCE, AND I JUST, I, THAT'S MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE TOMA AGENDA ASPECT OF IT. SO, SO I THINK YOU CAN NAME THEM BOTH ACTING. AND THEN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND CERTAINLY TAKE IT UP AS A, AS A, AS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, BUT I JUST WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE MY, MY, MY, MY LEGAL CONCERN. AND I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. BRAD. SO GIVEN THAT I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT ERIC ZENO AS THE ACTING ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. AND AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO REVISIT TO THAT STATUS AT A LATER DATE. I'D APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION, MR. HALL? WELL, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MINE WAS KIND OF A PROCEDURAL ISSUE. YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION AND TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE CREATING A FORMAL POSITION, THAT WOULD BE A PERMANENT PART OF THE PART OF OUR ORGANIZATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S MY I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE 
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OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MR. PRINCE, WERE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM? YES. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE IS ANOTHER. THERE IS STILL ANOTHER ONE. SO IN IN IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING QUICKLY TOWARDS IDENTIFYING AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER, THE WE I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPOINT A SUBCOMMITTEE OF COUNCIL TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTING FIRM. AND I WOULD FURTHER MOVE THAT. WE UTILIZE THE CONSULTING FIRM TO HELP US IDENTIFY POTENTIAL CANDIDATES. AND THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE TASKED WITH VETTING THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND WEEDING OUT THOSE THAT ARE NOT NOT VIABLE IN THEIR PERSPECTIVE, AND BRINGING OTHERS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR POTENTIAL DECISION. SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD HAVE FOCUS ON INTERIM CITY MANAGER, BUT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE SCOPE OF OF LOOKING AT POTENTIAL CONSULTANT HELP IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THE CITY MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE. AND, AND WE DISCUSSED WHAT SOME OF THOSE AREAS MIGHT BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE AND THE ACTING CITY MANAGER TO WORK THROUGH THE SPECIFICS OF THAT. 
          THE THE THREE NAMES FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE THAT ARE PART OF MY MOTION WOULD BE THE MAYOR, MR. SOM, COUNSELOR BENNEFIELD, AND COUNSELOR HALL. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNSELOR PRINCE. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ARE WE DONE WITH THE MOTIONS ON THAT ITEM? OKAY. 
          AS THE CITY ATTORNEY STATED, WE DID NOT GET TO DISCUSS ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE AND WILL LIKELY, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, HAVE TO GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS IT. I DID HAVE ONE CITIZEN WHO I THINK IS SIGNED UP FOR THESE ITEMS. MR. ENRIQUE LOPEZ, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS? THE GOLF COURSE? YEAH, THIS IS ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE, CORRECT? YES. ALL RIGHT. YES. MY MY NAME IS ENRIQUE LOPEZ. I RESIDE HERE IN LAGO VISTA ON LINN LANE. AND. MAN, I'LL TELL YOU, THE GOLF COURSE IS IF I'VE KNOWN THE HISTORY OF THE GOLF COURSE. I MOVED OUT HERE IN 2000, I THINK 2000, 2001, WHEN BOTH GOLF COURSES WERE OWNED BY THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA SHORTLY THEREAFTER. WELL, ACTUALLY NOT SHORTLY AFTER, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, OTWELL BOUGHT THE THE CLUBHOUSE AND AND THE GOLF COURSE FROM THE CITY. AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN, WHICH IS I CAN ALMOST TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, IS THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE AGAINST THE CITY IF YOU HAVE TWO BUSINESSES IDENTICAL, THE CITY IS ALWAYS GOING TO WIN. 
          BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WITH MR. OTWELL, HE COULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE CITY WITH A LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE. YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERMINDED HIS YOU KNOW, HE HAD HE BUILT THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILT WELL, REMODELED THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING ON HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE, SPENT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THAT PLACE WAS A RACCOON SHOP. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO FIND A RACCOON. OH, THAT'S. THANKS. SORRY. CAN I GET THOSE THREE SECONDS BACK? NO. SO ANYWAYS, HE HE REMODELED THAT BUILDING. AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT WAS JUST TRAVESTY. TRAVESTY. HE WAS COMPETING AGAINST THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE. THEY STARTED SELLING. I KNOW IT'S INFAMOUS $2 BEER. SO HE COULDN'T COMPETE AGAINST THAT. OKAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, HE BASICALLY SHUT IT DOWN AND THE CITY KEPT THE GOLF COURSE. NOW WE'RE ASKING TO BUY THE GOLF COURSE AGAIN. AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE ISSUED. I HEARD LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE CAN ALWAYS SELL IT. OH MY GOSH, THAT THAT'S VERY, VERY, VERY WRONG. OKAY. AND THEN MANY OF YOU SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST TURN IT INTO A PARK, WHICH ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH. OKAY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZONING AND PLANNING AND ZONING TO GO FROM PARK TO, FROM GOLF COURSE TO PARK. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT TOUCHES THE GOLF COURSE, OR ANY GOLFER, PROBABLY FOR THAT MATTER, IS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY THING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST CHANGE THE ZONING AND, AND THEN SELL IT. I THINK THE BEST THING THAT THE CITY COULD DO WITH THAT GOLF COURSE IS LEASE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A GOLF, ANOTHER BUSINESS, LET THEM LEASE IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS IN NO POSITION TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY AND ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOLF COURSE. THE EXCUSE RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE EFFLUENT WATER. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DRAIN THE THE GOLF COURSES. WE CAN USE THEM FOR EFFLUENT WATER, BUT WE'VE GOT 
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PLENTY OF THAT TO GO AROUND. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE WELL, WE GOT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. WE GOT THE. YOU KNOW, ON 1431, THE CANYON AND THEN THE WE'LL HAVE THE LAGO VISTA GOLF OR THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. I DID AN OPEN RECORDS ON GOLF COURSE AND THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. WHY? BECAUSE I, I WORKED FULL TIME. I DON'T YOU KNOW, MANY OF US, ALL OF US WORK FULL TIME, I'M SURE. AND WE'RE ALL WE'RE VOLUNTEERS HERE. BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL THE INFORMATION TO GET, YOU KNOW, START CHECK MARKING ISSUES, ETC. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS SUGGESTING CONCERNING THE GOLF COURSE IS THERE WAS NO NEGOTIATION. THE ONLY THING THAT I HEARD WAS THE PRICE. THAT'S ALL THE THE WHOLE MEETING WAS ALL ABOUT. IT'S 1.2 MILLION, 1.21, 1.1 MILLION. THERE WAS WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE, THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT GO WITH IT. WE CAN TELL THE SELLER, HEY, LISTEN. YES, WE'LL BUY THE GOLF COURSE, LET'S SAY WHATEVER X AMOUNT. BUT AT THE DAY OF CLOSING, WE WANT ALL 200 ACRES MOWED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY. OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS, WELL, IF YOU'RE IF HE'S SELLING IT, WE WANT WE WANT TO HAVE THE INSPECTION OF ALL THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TO SEE IF THEY'RE ALL FUNCTIONING OR, AND WHAT, WHAT IN WHAT CONDITION IT'S IN RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING $400,000 OR $400,000 THE FIRST MONTH ON RENOVATING THE GOLF COURSE ANYWAY. SO I'M AGAINST IT. AND THANK YOU, MR. LOPEZ. ALL RIGHT. NEXT EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM WAS SIX CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071 REGARDING CHARTER REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO COUNCIL MEMBER ABSENCES AND LEGAL ADVICE RELATED THERETO CONCERNING COUNCIL MEMBER KARINE VANASSE ABSENCES, WAS THERE ANY ACTION OR NO ACTION THAT I UNDERSTAND? YEAH, I'M SORRY, THERE IS ACTION ON THAT. YEAH, THERE'S ACTION ON THAT. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. ON COUNSELOR VENICE MAYOR. MR. PRINCE, MAY I SUGGEST, I THINK FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXPLAIN TO US WHY WE ARE NEEDING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN I THINK IT WILL REQUIRE US TO TAKE SOME ACTION. YEAH. SO THE THE YOUR CHARTER ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF ABSENCE EXCUSES, BUT IT REALLY ONLY KICKS IN WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN THREE CONSECUTIVE ABSENCES FROM COUNCIL, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETINGS DON'T COUNT IF THERE ARE THREE REGULAR ABSENCES IN A ROW, THEN. THEN THE COUNCIL, THE THE CHARTER SAYS THE COUNCIL MAY EXCUSE THOSE ABSENCES. AND SO I THINK IN THE PAST THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUAL ABSENCES OR SO FORTH. AND SO AN INFORMAL PROCESS WAS THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER EXCUSED THEM THAT WASN'T TECHNICALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARTER. BUT THE CHARTER ALSO DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE THE EXCUSE PROVISION DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL THERE HAVE BEEN THREE IN A ROW. SO, MISS VAN NESS, I DON'T I DON'T TRACK ABSENCES, BUT APPARENTLY THERE WERE THREE IN A ROW. AND SO MISS VAN NESS THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION WAS RAISED. YOU KNOW, WHO EXCUSES IT? AND THEN I REVIEWED THE CHARTER. AND THE CHARTER REQUIRES THE COUNCIL, WHICH HAS TO BE BY VOTE IN OPEN SESSION, TO EXCUSE THE ABSENCES. AND MISS VAN NESS HAD PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION. I LEAVE IT TO HER TO DISCUSS THAT IF SHE WANTS TO. BUT BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT. IT'S NOT OPTIONAL. IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CHARTER. 
          THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION. IS IT OKAY? THE MOTION FOR THE MOTION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXCUSE COUNCILOR VAN NESS PRIOR ABSENCES. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PRIOR TO MEETINGS FROM HERE AND THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE, BUT THERE'S BEEN THREE. YEAH, REGULAR MEETINGS LAST THREE REGULAR MEETINGS. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MISS VAN NESS? YEAH. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DIDN'T MISS THESE MEETINGS FOR FRIVOLOUS REASONS OR BECAUSE I WAS ON VACATION OR DOING SOMETHING FUN. I HAD A REALLY MAJOR AND SIGNIFICANT HEALTH CHALLENGE THAT PRECLUDED MY ABILITY TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, AND I THOUGHT THAT I WAS EXCUSED. I COMMUNICATED WITH THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR, PRO TEM AND THE CITY MANAGER AT ADVANCE OF THE MEETINGS THAT I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM. AND SO AS AS BRAD SAID, BASED ON PREVIOUS PRACTICE, I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCUSED. SO MY INTENTION WAS NEVER TO RUN AFOUL OF THE CHARTER OR JUST TO BLOW OFF MEETINGS. IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT THING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH. HAPPY TO BE BACK NOW. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO 
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TAKE CARE OF MAKING SURE THE VOTE ON THE EXCUSED ABSENCES. SO THANKS, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BACK. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM SEVEN CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL CONCERNING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF AN EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.074 CITY MANAGER AND 551.071 LEGAL ADVICE RELATED THERETO. IS THERE ANY MOTION, ANY ACTION, MAYOR, ON THAT ONE? THERE IS NO ACTION. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. AS I STATED BEFORE, WE WILL BE GOING BACK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THE END OF THIS TO GO OVER THE ITEMS THAT WE DID NOT GET TO DISCUSS. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GO TO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE OF TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE RISE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW THE TEXAS FLAG. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. PLEASE STAY STANDING. WE HAVE AN INVOCATION TODAY. WE HAVE DALE CHRISTMAN. LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, SOVEREIGN LORD, WE COME BEFORE YOUR THRONE TONIGHT OF GRACE AND MERCY AND JUSTICE. THANKFUL. 
          THANKFUL FOR SO MANY THINGS TODAY. WE THANK YOU THAT YOU ALLOW US TO LIVE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL AND SAFE COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU THAT YOU HAVE CALLED MEN AND WOMEN TO PROTECT US. FIREMEN, POLICE OFFICERS, EMTS, ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO WORK. AND LORD, WE THANK YOU TONIGHT OR TODAY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL PERSONS, THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO YOU'VE CALLED TO MANAGE THIS CITY AND PROTECT US IN THE DAYS TO COME. WE THANK YOU IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRAY BEFORE THE MEETINGS, ALL THE PASTORS IN THE AREA. AND I'VE GOT TO EXCUSE MYSELF. I HAVE A MEMBER IN CRISIS, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE. BUT THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          BEFORE I TURN TO CITIZEN COMMENTS, I DID WANT TO MENTION THE FOLKS I KNOW FOR THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA AREA, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE WATER ISSUE. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE RECENT UPDATES THE EQUIPMENT IS IN, THEY ARE INSTALLING IT. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. THE HOPE IS TO GET IT DONE. TODAY. WE HAVE A HUGE THANKS TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE YESTERDAY. I WANT TO EXTEND AN EVEN BIGGER THANKS TO AS WELL TO TRAVIS COUNTY ESD, NUMBER ONE, WHO VOLUNTARILY CALLED US TO GO AND START OFFERING WATER TO PEOPLE'S HOMES ONE BY ONE. THE LAST TIME CHIEF TOLD ME THEY WERE UP TO LIKE 70 HOMES, I THINK, AND THEY'VE HAD TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO OTHER EMERGENCIES AROUND TOWN AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE REALLY THANK THEM. AND AS I GET UPDATES ON THAT WATER FIX, I WILL TRY AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW. AND THEN ANOTHER HOUSEKEEPING NOTE. WE ARE PRETTY MUCH AT MAX CAPACITY FOR THIS ROOM. SO IF YOU'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO LEAVE AND COME BACK. AND IF YOU WANTED, YOU COULD LEAVE A CELL PHONE NUMBER WITH ROBIN. SHE'LL GIVE IT TO ME. I'LL MESSAGE YOU BEFORE ANY OTHER ITEMS COME UP. I ANTICIPATE MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO WITH THAT, AS THAT ROOM CONTINUES TO GET FILLED, WE MAY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ASKING PEOPLE TO BE OUTSIDE BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE AT MAX CAPACITY OF WHAT THAT LITTLE SPACE IS AS WELL. OKAY. I THINK 
          [VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM ACTING OR DISCUSSING ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. TO PARTICIPATE IN CITIZEN COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING, YOU SUBMIT YOUR COMPLETED FORM TO THE CITY SECRETARY. THE COUNCIL. I ONLY HAD ONE NON AGENDA ITEM THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY, THAT'S IN THE BIG PILE HERE. I HAVE GERALD PERRIN. THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR RECENT PROCLAMATION FOR MAKING AUGUST VETERANS AWARENESS MONTH. AS A VETERAN, IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. WE HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS HERE IN LARGO, AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, EVERY 20 MINUTES IN THIS COUNTRY, THERE'S A VETERAN THAT COMMITS SUICIDE. SO ANY EXTRA ATTENTION WE CAN GET THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH OUR VETERANS IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. SO THANK YOU ON THAT. THAT'S THAT'S VERY NICE. WE APPRECIATE IT. SECONDLY, I'M HERE JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE APPRECIATION GROUP. AND JUST TO 
          [00:30:04]
LET YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU A LITTLE HEADS UP, WE'RE HAVING OUR THIRD ANNUAL LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE APPRECIATION GROUP GOLF TOURNAMENT, OCTOBER 3RD. SHOTGUN START 9:00. ALL PROCEEDS GO TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE EVERY MONDAY. WE EVERY DOLLAR WE RAISE GOES TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE AND NON BUDGETED ITEMS. SO IT'S WE'RE TRYING TO GET MY GOAL THIS YEAR IS MAYBE GET 100 GOLFERS. WE'LL BE GETTING BETTER EVERY YEAR. SO HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR I'LL MAKE IT ALSO TO LET YOU KNOW FOR THE NON-GOLFERS PEOPLE THAT MAY STILL WANT TO HELP IN SOME WAY CONTRIBUTE. WE TAKE CASH DONATIONS, WHICH WE GOT A LOT LAST YEAR, AND THOSE CAN BE GIVEN AT THE COURTHOUSE. AT THE CLUBHOUSE. EXCUSE ME. THE THE ENTRY FORMS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT MONTH. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE PRELIMINARY HEADS UP TO LET YOU KNOW ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE GOLFERS, THANK YOU FOR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, THE IRRIGATION THAT'S GOING ON. NOW, GRANTED, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGE ON SOME HOLES PLAYING GOLF OUT THERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T CARE. WE'RE WE'RE GLAD TO SEE IT GOING ON. AND ALSO ON THAT SAME SAME NOTE, KUDOS TO GREG AND HIS STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY'RE DOING TO STILL MAKE THE GOLF COURSE PLAYABLE WHILE THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME OF NIGHT IT'LL BE AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY EVENTS, OBVIOUSLY THE TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE BREWERY, THERE IS A PURPLE HEART PARKING SPOT DONATION FOR PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS. I THINK THAT'S AT 6 P.M. SATURDAY FROM 10 TO 2 AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE A VETERANS RESOURCE FAIR THAT THE TEXAS VETERANS COMMISSION IS DOING WITH THE LOCAL VFW. AND THERE'S 30 OTHER VENDORS. THERE SHOULD BE A REALLY GREAT EVENT. I DID HAVE ONE OTHER. I HAVE A QUESTION HERE, I GUESS, FOR LINDA MCCULLOUGH, YOUR SIGN UP FOR FLAG. BUT ALSO IT SAID YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS LAGO VISTA ISD EDUCATION FOUNDATION EVENTS. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I'M LINDA MCCULLOUGH. I'M PRESIDENT OF LAGO VISTA ISD EDUCATION FOUNDATION, AND WE HAVE TWO EVENTS COMING UP. THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE AT LUCKY RABBIT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE DAYS OF OF, OF ANTE UP ROUNDUP. SO IF YOU'LL GO TO ON THE 27TH TO 28TH AND 29TH, BETWEEN 11 AND 8, THEY WILL ROUND UP AND YOU ROUND UP. THAT MONEY WILL COME TO THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION AND THEN TRUNK OR TREAT, TRUNK OR TREAT IS BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR. IT'S ON OCTOBER 31ST FROM 6 TO 8 AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE ARE TAKING SPONSORSHIPS. $300 WILL GET YOU A SPONSORSHIP AND SOME ADVERTISING. 500 GETS YOU MORE ADVERTISING AND YOU CAN BUY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN GET A SLOT THERE TO PUT YOUR TRUNK IN IF YOU WANT. I HAVE I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HERE IS FAMILIAR WITH US, WHAT WE DO, WE SUPPLY ASSISTANCE FOR OUR TEACHERS. WE DON'T. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CANNOT CANNOT ACCESS OUR FUNDS. THE FUNDS GO DIRECTLY TO THE TEACHERS IN THE FORM OF GRANTS. 
          AND EVERY YEAR WE GIVE GRANTS TO THEM AFTER THEY TELL US WHAT THEY NEED. AND THE DISTRICT AGREES THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT. THIS LAST YEAR, WE GAVE ABOUT $18,000 IN GRANTS, AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RAISE MONEY OUT HERE. AND THAT THAT WAS QUITE A THING IN THE EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS, ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE HAVE GIVEN OVER $100,000 IN GRANTS, AND THAT'S WITH FEWER THAN 12 PEOPLE RAISING THE MONEY. SO IF WE CAN GET SOME SOME PEOPLE TO COME TO THE TRUNK OR TREAT TO COME OUT TO THE TO DO THE LUCKY RABBIT AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WILL BE GOING ON OVER THE YEAR, THE YEAR, AND I'VE GOT FORMS HERE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING AND BEING ON IT. RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT 12 MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON THE ON THE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE PART OF IT. AND I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE. SO IS THERE A PLACE I CAN PUT THIS INFORMATION? IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY, SHE'LL DISTRIBUTE IT TO US. AND. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS, MR. LOPEZ? ENRIQUE LOPEZ, PRESIDENT. LAGO VISTA. RECENTLY WE'VE LOST WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOSING A CITY MANAGER, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS DIRECTOR, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER POSITIONS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, BECOME 
          [00:35:07]
AVAILABLE. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2000, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE SUCH A TURNOVER. AND NOW THAT I'VE GOTTEN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, BEING THERE'S ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN THAT CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, CITY COUNCIL AND SOME OF THE MISSION BOARDS. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HIRE A CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER, WHOEVER WE HIRE, WE HIRE THEM WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME. THEY'RE GOING TO SEE US GROW AND BLOSSOM INTO THE CITY THAT THEY WERE HIRED TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO ACHIEVE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FIVE YEARS, SEVEN YEARS WE'VE HAD I KNOW WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FIVE CITY MANAGERS. AND I'M GOING LIKE, WELL, HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD? WE HAVE A YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS. I'M AS A DISCLAIMER, I'M IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND WE SEE A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, ETC. COMING INTO LAGO VISTA. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IS START LETTING THESE PEOPLE DO THEIR JOBS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT. LIKE THE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL QUESTION THEIR WELL, IT'S THE ATTORNEY, RIGHT? WELL, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S THAT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE. HE'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IN CASE WE EVER HAVE TO GO TO COURT, HE'S GOING TO BE THE GUY DEFENDING US. RIGHT. OR ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE NOW? NO. BUT YEAH, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TURNOVER BECAUSE IT IS AFFECTING THE CITY IN WAYS YOU DON'T EVEN IMAGINE. NOW, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE TO SEE LAGO VISTA GROW, IT'S A BLESSING. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, LAGO VISTA IS GOING TO GROW, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GROW. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I GIVE IS JOINT VENTURE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE WAY. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE MORE TO GET TO POINT A POINT VENTURE. BUT LOOK AT THAT COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T SEE THE SAME. YOU DON'T SEE THE SAME HOUSE OVER, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE YOU DO HERE. ALL THE STREETS ARE PAVED. 
          THEY'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSES WITH NICE PATHS, ETC. AND THAT'S ALL DUE TO GOVERNMENT OR THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT BASICALLY KNOW WHAT TO, HOW TO HOW TO SPEND THE PUBLIC'S MONEY. HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF NICHES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE HAPPY. OKAY. SO NO, I GUESS THAT'S THE THING IS WE NEED TO START WORKING MORE DILIGENTLY AND NOT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS AN AGENDA. YOU KNOW, YOUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, NOT LOOK AT THIS LITTLE, LITTLE GROUP THAT DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS OR THIS. YOU GOT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S MAKING IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FOR LAGO VISTA TO PROSPER WHEN ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE TURNOVER. AND THEN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS LAGO VISTA. AND I DON'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE WALMART IZED. IF YOU WANT A CHEAP HOUSE TO LIVE, COME TO LAGO VISTA. AND ALL OF US THAT OWN REAL ESTATE HERE ALREADY. WELL GUESS WHAT? I WOULD YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IN POINT VENTURE BECAUSE THE APPRECIATION OF HOMES THERE IS A LOT HIGHER THERE THAN IT IS HERE. AND EVERYBODY WHO SAYS, WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO SELL MY HOME. YES YOU WILL. EVERYBODY SELLS THEIR HOME, WHETHER IT'S TO MOVE INTO A NURSING HOME, TO MOVE CLOSER TO FAMILY. EVERYBODY IS HAS A VESTED INTEREST. SO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THAT ASPECT OF IT AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS SMALL NICHE OF COMMUNITY THAT IS BASICALLY VERY VOCAL, THEY'RE VERY, VERY VOCAL. AND THAT'S ONE THING I ADMIRE ABOUT THEM. 
          THE SILENT MAJORITY, THOUGH, IS SILENT, AND WE DON'T HEAR A THING OUT OF THEM. THANK YOU. 
          [VIII. PRESENTATIONS & PROCLAMATIONS]
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS. ITEM NUMBER ONE PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING AUGUST 19TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL AVIATION DAY AND HONORING THE RUSTY ALLEN AIRPORT. I THINK I HAVE A FEW MEMBERS FROM THE AIRPORT HERE. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME OVER HERE TO THE MIC AREA AND THEN STAFF, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A PICTURE. WHEN I HAND HIM THIS PROCLAMATION. ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS NATIONAL AVIATION DAY IS OBSERVED ANNUALLY ON AUGUST 19TH TO COMMEMORATE THE BIRTH OF AVIATION PIONEER ORVILLE WRIGHT AND TO RECOGNIZE THE REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENTS AND LASTING CONTRIBUTIONS OF AVIATION IN OUR NATION. AND WHEREAS AVIATION HAS TRANSFORMED THE WAY PEOPLE TRAVEL, CONDUCT BUSINESS, RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES, AND CONNECT COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA IS PROUD TO 
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BE HOME TO RUSTY ALLEN AIRPORT, A VALUED COMMUNITY ASSET THAT SUPPORTS GENERAL AVIATION, EMERGENCY SERVICES, LOCAL BUSINESSES, TOURISM AND RECREATIONAL FLYING WHILE SERVING AS AN IMPORTANT GATEWAY TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HOSTING A REALLY AWESOME 4TH OF JULY EVENT. WHEREAS, THE REST OF THE ISLAND AIRPORT IS ONE OF ONLY TWO PUBLICLY OWNED AIRPORTS IN TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS, SHARING THE HONOR AND RESPONSIBILITY WITH AUSTIN-BERGSTROM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, LOCATED IN SOUTHEAST TRAVIS COUNTY. WHEREAS, NATIONAL AVIATION DAY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF INNOVATION, EXPLORATION, AND PUBLIC SERVICE THAT CONTINUES TO ADVANCE AVIATION WHILE INSPIRING FUTURE GENERATIONS TO PURSUE CAREERS IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING AND RELATED FIELDS. I THEREFORE, CHAINSAW MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AUGUST 19TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL AVIATION DAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING HERE. AND YOU GUYS DO A WHOLE LOT FOR OUR AIRPORT. FITTING FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE. THIS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEER FOR ALL THE HELP THAT YOU GAZE AT THE AIRPORT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE WILL MOVE ON TO 
          [X. CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TEN. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE TO BE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES. SORRY. YES. MAYOR I. WOULD ASK THAT WE REMOVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE TCEQ APPLICATION FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. ITEM FIVE WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS HEARING? NONE. I'LL THEN READ THEM ALL IN. 
          ITEM ONE APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE WEB BASED SITE FOR ELECTRONICALLY REPORTING CONVICTIONS. ITEM TWO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 16TH, 2026, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM THREE APPROVE THE AWARD OF RFP NUMBER 26-07 FOR STREET RESTRIPING OF STRIPING OF RESURFACED ROADWAYS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT. ITEM FOUR APPROVE A TASK ORDER WITH BAXTER AND WOODMAN, INC. FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TALON HYDRO PNEUMATIC TANK, REPLACEMENT EMERGENCY GENERATOR AND EMERGENCY FIRE SUPPRESSION PUMP STATION PROJECT, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE TASK ORDER AND ITEM SIX APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 26-0716-01. AMENDING SECTION 11 TO CORRECT THE DATE STATED THEREIN. 
          MEMBERS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU. MAYOR. YES, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS READ IN. DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. HALL? SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THOSE 
          [X.5. Authorize the city manager to sign modified TCEQ application.]
ITEMS ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MR. PRINCE, I'LL JUST ASK YOU ON THIS. NUMBER FIVE. WILL IT BE A QUICK DISCUSSION OR SHOULD I MOVE IT TO THE END AFTER WE GET THROUGH THESE OTHER ITEMS, I THINK IT WILL BE RELATIVELY QUICK. OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU. NUMBER FIVE, AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN MODIFIED TK APPLICATION. SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S JUST A PURELY LOGISTICAL THING. I THINK THERE'S AN EMAIL IN THIS APPLICATION THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO CHARLES WEST AT LAGO VISTA, TEXAS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A CITY EMAIL FOR CITY MANAGER AT THAT, WHICH MIGHT BE BETTER, OR IF WE JUST COUNT ON CITY STAFF TO FORWARD THAT TO, TO OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION WHETHER THAT EMAIL SHOULD BE CHANGED. AND THEN SECONDLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE END OF SECTION SIX, WHICH IS ON PAGE 81 OF THE PACKET, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE POND CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THIS IS DUPONT CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. DO LINERS MEET REQUIREMENTS. HAVE LINERS BEEN CERTIFIED. DO SOIL AND ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH OUR PONDS. AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IF WE SIMPLY GO THROUGH HERE AND CHECK YES ON ALL OF THESE, ARE WE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE WITH TC WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE PONDS IN LAGO VISTA. AND SO AS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE PAAS, I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH 
          [00:45:02]
CITY STAFF WHERE THIS CAME UP, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT AN ADDENDUM ON THIS AND SAY, SEE APPENDIX OR ADDENDUM A, WHERE WE SIMPLY MAKE A NOTE ABOUT THE KNOWN POND ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND THE ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING TO CORRECT IT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET FOUL OF TC BY CHECKING YES ON THESE BOXES, WHEN THE ANSWER IS NOT A CLEAR YES. 
          WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MOVING FORWARD ON THIS? IF WE MAKE THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS AND SAY IN AN APPROVAL THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDENDUM THAT CORRECTLY IDENTIFIES OUR ISSUES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF AND CORRECT THAT EMAIL ADDRESS? YES, SIR. OKAY. MR. BROWNFIELD, I WOULD SAY ONLY ONLY ADD AN ADDENDUM IF REQUIRED. YOU KNOW, I THINK ERNESTO OR WHOEVER'S SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION CAN DO AN INQUIRY BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE 100%, BUT TC MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANT IT OR DESIRE IT. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDED IF THEY WANT IT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT PER THE MOTION. I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THE I JUST AND STAFF HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, AND I WANT TO RESPECT THEIR CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE NOT SAYING YES WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THE ANSWER IS NOT A SIMPLE YES. SO I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT TO THE DISCRETION OF STAFF OF HOW TO DEAL WITH TC ON THIS ISSUE, BUT APPROVING THEM, ADDING AN APPENDIX OR ADDENDUM IF THEY BELIEVE THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, I'M OPEN TO AN ACTION. I SORT OF HAD THE ACTION EMBEDDED IN THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL FORMALIZE IT. SO CHANGE THE EMAIL FROM CHARLES WEST TO SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY. AND IT MAY BE A CHIEF CHOICE EMAIL, BUT I'LL LET HIM MAKE THAT DECISION. AND THEN SECONDLY, TO TO ALLOW STAFF THE FREEDOM TO ADD AN ADDENDUM TO CLARIFY THE STATUS ON PONDS IF THEY DEEM IT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WITH TC. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. BENNEFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO WORK. SESSION 11, ITEM TWO. DISCUSS 
          [XI.2. Discuss the proposed initiated ordinance concerning prohibition of mass surveillance technology and flock cameras in the city.]
THE PROPOSED INITIATED ORDINANCE CONCERNING PROHIBITION OF MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND FLOCK CAMERAS IN THE CITY. AND I WILL ALSO READ IN ITEM EIGHT TWO, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION FROM IAN LESLIE WITH FLOCK SAFETY REGARDING THE FLOCK SAFETY CAMERA SYSTEM AND. AS I DISCUSSED, I THINK WITH THE INITIATOR OF THIS ORDINANCE, I WAS GOING TO HAVE THEM PRESENT. THEY HAD SOME PRESENTATIONS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PRESENT FIRST BEFORE FLOCK PRESENTS. SO I THINK THAT WAS. MR. DAVID VAUGHN. YOU HAD THE PRESENTATION SET, AND I SENT IT OVER TO MR. DE LA CRUZ. IF WE COULD START WITH THE TRAVIS FIFE. JUST FOR RESPECT OF TIME, HE HAS TO LEAVE PRETTY SOON. DAVID. TRAVIS. MIKE. IS NOT ON. 
          I'M PRETTY LOUD. YEAH, MAYBE HOLD ON TILL WE GET THE MONITORS BACK UP. NOW YOU CAN STAY WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU'RE WITH. OF COURSE. MY NAME IS TRAVIS FIFE, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE INITIATED ORDINANCE. AND I AM A LAWYER WITH THE TEXAS CIVIL RIGHTS PROJECT. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE READY. OKAY. WONDERFUL. WELL, I FIRST WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL FOR HAVING ME, DAVID. AND I AND I THINK WE'RE IN FOR A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION, WHICH ON AN ISSUE THAT'S IMPORTANT, IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION FROM GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. AND IN OUR VIEW. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IN OUR VIEW, THESE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, WHETHER SOLD BY FLOC OR ANOTHER ONE OF THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR SURVEILLANCE CORPORATIONS THAT SELL THIS TECHNOLOGY. I THINK YOU ALL, AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SHOULD BE DEEPLY CONCERNED BOTH ABOUT THE PRIVACY IMPLICATIONS AND THE IMPLICATIONS THAT THOSE PRIVACY CONCERNS HAVE FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. SO I WANT TO FIRST JUST EXPLAIN. YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS FLOC DEBATE, THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF IS IT MASS SURVEILLANCE? IS IT TRACKING? IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OF THESE BUZZWORDS. AND I THINK THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT IT AS A LAWYER IS TO, TO THINK ABOUT IT VERY CONCRETELY. SO FOR ME OR MY FAMILY, AN AVERAGE 
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SUNDAY MIGHT INVOLVE GOING TO THE PARK. IT MIGHT INVOLVE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE, PICKING UP A MEDICINE, GOING TO A RELIGIOUS SERVICE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. AND IN A LITERAL SENSE, IT IS TRUE THAT FLOC ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF THOSE WEIRD WAYMO'S WE SEE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT THEY DO. THE WAY THAT THE CAMERAS WORK IS AUTOMATICALLY, AS YOU DRIVE BY, THEY'RE TAKING A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF YOUR LICENSE PLATE. AND SO IF YOU'RE SOMEONE LIKE ME, IT'S VERY, VERY ALARMING AND CONCERNING TO BE THINKING, OH, I'M JUST GOING ABOUT MY NORMAL CHORES, MY NORMAL SUNDAY OR MONDAY ROUTINE. BUT THOSE LICENSE PLATE READERS MIGHT BE PICKING UP WHAT DOCTOR'S OFFICE YOU GO TO. WHAT? WHO YOUR ROMANTIC PARTNER IS. IF THEY SEE YOU, IF THEY IF THEY IF THERE'S A CAMERA BY A RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE GOING ON A DATE, WHAT CHURCH YOU DECIDE TO GO TO? AND THESE AND IT CREATES THIS CONSTELLATION OF A REALLY INTIMATE PICTURE OF ALL OF OUR LIVES SITTING HERE AS WE MOVE THROUGHOUT OUR DAY, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I WANT TO PAUSE ALSO ON THAT LAST BULLET POINT ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN Y'ALL'S FOR LOCAL FLOCK CAMERAS AND THE, THE I BELIEVE IT'S 44 OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE AGREED TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH. SO IT'S NOT JUST, OH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING TO A GROCERY STORE, A CERTAIN DOCTOR OR A CERTAIN RELIGIOUS SERVICE, BUT RATHER THAT IF YOU GO FROM HERE TO ANOTHER CITY THAT YOU'VE CONTRACTED WITH. NOW THE LICENSE PLATE READERS PICK UP NOT ONLY YOUR MOVEMENTS WITHIN LAGO VISTA, BUT ACROSS NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AS WELL. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, AS A, OH, THANK YOU. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO KEEP ASKING YOU THAT. BUT AS AS YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO LIVES AND BREATHES THE CONSTITUTION AND THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF OUR COUNTRY, I THINK THAT THIS INTIMATE PORTRAIT THAT THESE PHOTOS CAN TAKE OF YOUR LIFE SHOULD BE REALLY CONCERNING. NUMBER ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ACCESS THIS FLOCK DATABASE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO SUSPECT YOU OF A CRIME. MAYBE THEY SUSPECT YOUR LOVED ONE OF SOMETHING. MAYBE THEY SUSPECT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FAMILY. OR AS SOME OF THE EXAMPLES WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO LATER, MAYBE THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEIR EX-GIRLFRIEND IS OR WHERE A FORMER ROMANTIC PARTNER, WHO ELSE SHE MIGHT BE DATING. 
          SECOND, IS THAT THAT DATABASE REALLY, LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING, ALLOWS ALLOWS A USER OF THE FLOCK DATABASE TO TRACK VERY INTIMATE DETAILS OF PEOPLE'S LIVES, THINGS WE HOLD DEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T WATERBOARD OUT OF ME. THE LAST THING IS JUST TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS. YEAH. QUICK QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT IT TRACKS THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE WATERBOARDED FOR. COULD YOU JUST PROVIDE A COUPLE EXAMPLES? SO FOR EXAMPLE, WELL, THAT WAS PROBABLY EXTREME NUMBER ONE, SO THAT I WOULD NOT DIVULGE IN A SETTING LIKE THIS OR THAT I WOULDN'T WANT MY, MY GOVERNMENT TO KNOW ABOUT. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE IF I SEE A THERAPIST OR WHAT RELIGIOUS SECT I ASCRIBE TO, NO, ABSOLUTELY, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          THAT WAS TOO OVER THE TOP. BUT BUT I DO THINK THAT THE SEVERITY OF THE LANGUAGE I USE REFLECTS A BIGGER CONCERN THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS THE SHIFT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THESE FINE GENTLEMEN HERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO THESE NATIONAL AND SOMETIMES INTERNATIONAL MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES WHO DO NOT LOVE YOUR COMMUNITY AND DO NOT LOVE YOU, BUT ARE INSTEAD HERE TO SELL A PRODUCT THAT GIVES THEM A REAL, REALLY UNPRECEDENTED LOOK INTO THEIR LIVES. I DID WANT TO PAUSE JUST ON LAGO VISTA, SPECIFICALLY. SO YOU SEE HERE THE NUMBER I WAS REFERENCING EARLIER, I MISSPOKE, IT'S 47, NOT 44. SO THOSE ARE 
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47 AGENCIES THAT NOT ONLY ONE OF YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS COULD PULL OF. OH, WHAT WAS SO AND SO DOING IN THIS OTHER CITY? BUT IT'S ALSO DATA, BUT IT ALSO GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT, IN ONE OF THESE 47 OTHER JURISDICTIONS CAN THEN PULL YOUR DATA AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE FLOCK TALKING POINTS WILL REALLY HIT ON A LOT OF, WELL, IT'S ONLY 30 DAYS. 30 DAYS IS THE MAXIMUM. WE'RE GOING TO STORE THIS DATA. 
          BUT LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WHO WERE READ, ONE OVER 1 MILLION LICENSE PLATES READ WITH FOUR CAMERAS IN 30 DAYS. AND I PULLED THIS RIGHT OFF Y'ALL'S VERY HELPFUL TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. AND SIMILARLY, AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, ABOUT MOVING FROM, YOU KNOW, THESE FINE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE HERE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO THESE PERSON LESS MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS. IT ALSO ALLOWS FLOCKS. YOUR POLICIES ALLOW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND BUSINESSES TO IMPLEMENT THEIR OWN CAMERAS, WHICH ONLY EXPAND FURTHER, COULD FURTHER EXPAND THAT NUMBER FROM OVER A MILLION PLATES. READ IN 30 DAYS, WITH FOUR CAMERAS TO TENS OF THOUSANDS MORE. IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES WHO ADOPT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND PLUG IN TO THE LOG OF LAGO VISTA PD'S NETWORK. YES, SIR. CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID. OF COURSE IT SOUNDED REALLY IMPORTANT. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M VERY SORRY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CAMERAS CAN. 
          YEP. EXACTLY RIGHT, SIR. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU ALL HAVE FOUR CAMERAS RIGHT NOW THAT HAD OVER A MILLION HITS IN THE LAST OR OVER A MILLION PHOTOS IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. BUT UNDER THE FLOCK, THE OPERATIVE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE, IT ALLOWS BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS TO EMPLOY THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN CAMERAS, AND THEN HOOK THOSE UP TO THE DATABASE RAN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO YOU ALL MIGHT BE SITTING HERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR. IS THIS LIKE, WHY? WHY DO WE HAVE DOZENS OF PEOPLE HERE, YOU KNOW, FILLING OUT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROOM TO TALK ABOUT THIS? AND I THINK, WELL, NUMBER ONE, FOR ITSELF, AS I SAY ON THE SLIDE, IS IMPORTANT. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT POTENTIAL PRIVACY INVASION BECOMES EXPONENTIALLY GREATER WHEN YOU ALLOW THESE NON-GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO HOOK UP TO THE GOVERNMENT'S DATABASE. THANK YOU. AND I JUST I'LL SKIP THAT SLIDE. WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON TODAY AND, AND IS HOW THIS TRANSLATES TO A POTENTIAL INFRINGEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU, I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT THIS ALPR TECHNOLOGY VIOLATES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. OKAY. I THINK ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THEY HAVE 100% VIEW OF THE CASE LAW AND LAW IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE EITHER LYING OR THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. BUT I THINK THE BEST READING OF THE MOST RECENT CASES IS THAT YOU ALL ARE NOT ONLY EXPOSING YOURSELF TO CONSTITUTIONAL LIABILITY, BUT THAT YOU'RE ALSO YOU'RE ALSO THREATENING THE VERY CRIMES YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT WITH THIS, WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. BECAUSE I TELL YOU WHAT, IN A WORLD WHERE YOU USE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO POTENTIALLY CATCH A VERY SERIOUS SUSPECT, THE FIRST THING THAT DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO DO IS TO HAVE ALL THAT EVIDENCE EXCLUDED THROUGH A MOTION IN THE CRIMINAL COURT. AND SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS, I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE FINE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WORK AND RAISE FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE VERY CRIME YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT COULD BE THWARTED BY THESE LEGAL GRAY AREAS. NOW, I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CASE LAW IN THIS AREA IS UNCERTAIN. BUT TO ME, WHEN YOU ALL ARE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO, AND WHEN YOUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THE MOST RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION ON THIS ISSUE, WHICH IS A CASE CALLED CHATTRI AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. IT WAS RELEASED BY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IN 
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EARLY JULY, LATE JUNE. AND A LOT OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO HAD BEEN UTILIZING FLOC, THEIR ARGUMENT GOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S, LOOK, WE HAVE ONE PHOTO OF THE BACK OF YOUR CAR ON A STREET THAT PUTS YOU AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME, THAT ONE PHOTO, IS THAT REALLY ENGAGING, VIOLATING YOUR PRIVACY. AND WHAT CHATTRI SAID, AND I QUOTED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THERE, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, LONGER OPINION IS ALSO WORTH A READ, AT LEAST FOR MR. BULLOCK. BUT IT SAID WHERE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT APPLIES, IT APPLIES REGARDLESS OF THE QUALITY OR QUANTITY OF INFORMATION THE GOVERNMENT OBTAINS BECAUSE THEY'RE. WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD ARGUED WAS THAT, HEY, WE ONLY GOT TWO HOURS OF OF SURVEILLANCE INFORMATION, AND THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT SAID, NO, A LITTLE BIT OF SEARCHING IS STILL A FOURTH AMENDMENT SEARCH, AND IT'S STILL AN INVASION OF PRIVACY. THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS. NOW, A LOT OF THESE ARGUMENTS ARE PLAYING OUT IN CITY HALLS, COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURTS. AND I WOULD BET MY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY IN MY BANK ACCOUNT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DEBATED AT THE STATE CAPITOL COME JANUARY. AND AND SO THE ARGUMENTS HERE ARE WELL TREAD WELL DISCUSSED. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU ASK YOURSELF, WHAT DO WE HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO? NUMBER ONE IS THAT MANY OF THE CASES ON THIS ISSUE INVOLVE VERY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THEY GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WHO CAN CHALLENGE A SEARCH BASED ON LICENSE PLATE READERS. THEY GO TO WHAT WAS ONE PICTURE A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. AND THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERTAKE THE ANALYSIS THAT THE SUPREME COURT JUST TOLD COURTS TO DO IN CHATTRI. SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A PRESENT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT. AND I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, LOOK AT THE DATES ON THOSE CASES AND AND ASK YOURSELF, ARE WE WILLING TO TAKE THE LIABILITY GAMBLE BOTH IN THE CRIMINAL CASES WE WANT PROSECUTED AND OUR CIVIL LIABILITY, WHERE THE NONE OF THOSE CASES ON THEIR PRESENTATION INCORPORATE CHATTERIS ANALYSIS? YEAH. OF COURSE. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ELABORATE. SO ON FOURTH AMENDMENT CONCERNS AND MAYBE THE CASE LAW ISN'T FULLY DEVELOPED, BUT SOMEONE'S ON A PUBLIC ROAD OR HIGHWAY. I'M SURE THE FLOCK CAMERA PHOTO IS ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EVIDENCE THAN THAT THAT MAY BE APPLIED IN A COURT CASE. OF COURSE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IS THAT A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT? IF YOU'RE OUT IN A PUBLIC ROAD OR ROADWAY AND YOUR PRESENCE, THERE'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED THROUGH THAT PHOTOGRAPH. SO I THINK IF THE QUESTION IS FRAMED THAT WAY, IT'S AND THIS IS WHAT THE PRIOR CASES, MANY OF THE CASES SAYING THAT FLOC DOESN'T VIOLATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT THEY FRAME THE DISCUSSION. LIKE, WHY IS THIS ONE PHOTO A FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION? AND THE POINT I WAS INARTFULLY BUT ULTIMATELY TRYING TO MAKE WITH REGARDS TO CHATTRI IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE WRONG WAY TO FRAME THE QUESTION. UNDER THE SUPREME COURT'S MOST RECENT TUTELAGE. 
          SO INSTEAD, THE QUESTION IS WHAT DATABASE OF INFORMATION DO THIS CLUSTER OF CAMERAS ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO ACCESS? AND IS THIS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD HAVE ACCESSED AT THE FOUNDING AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT? AND SO THE. SO I WOULD REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION. AS YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY. DOES IT VIOLATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE TO ACCESS A DATABASE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO TRACK YOUR MOVEMENTS THROUGHOUT A CITY OVER A 30 DAY PERIOD, AND THAT THE FRAME THAT WAY THE CASE LAW IS MUCH CLEARER THAT THAT WOULD VERY LIKELY BE A FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION. AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WITH 100% CERTAINTY. I THINK MR. BULLOCK, I IMAGINE, WOULD TELL YOU IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR. AND BUT I DO THINK THAT CHARTER GIVES US THE TOOLS TO FRAME THE QUESTION MORE APPROPRIATELY. OF COURSE. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS JUST ACTUALLY THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, AS MUCH AS WE THINK ABOUT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AS A KIND OF GUIDEPOST THAT BALANCES 
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PRIVACY AND SAFETY, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT IS ONLY THE FLOOR. THAT IS THE MINIMUM PRIVACY GUARANTEED TO EVERY EVERY PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN LAGO VISTA, NEW YORK CITY, OR GREAT FALLS, MONTANA. MY GRANDMA'S FROM GREAT FALLS, SO. BUT I THINK THAT YOU ALL NOT ONLY HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT ALSO A MORAL ONE THAT I KNOW MANY PEOPLE HERE TODAY ARE REALLY RIPPING AND READY TO DISCUSS, WHICH IS WHAT TYPE OF PRIVACY DO WE WANT IN LAGO VISTA, EVEN IF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT MIGHT ALLOW THIS, WHAT WHAT IS OUR BALANCE OF PRIVACY AND SURVEILLANCE? AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON THIS TOO MUCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CASES BOTH IN TEXAS AND ALL AROUND. THE COUNTRY WHERE THESE PRIVACY CONCERNS TAKE ON A LIFE OR DEATH IMPORTANCE FOR PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY WELL PUBLICIZED EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN FROM JOHNSON COUNTY WHO TRAVELED ACROSS STATE LINES TO SEEK REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE. AND ONE OF THE SHERIFFS THERE ACCESSED OVER 83,000 ALPR CAMERAS. MORE CLOSE TO HOME IS THE ISSUE OF THE WAY THAT FLOC IS USED TO SPY ON FORMER ROMANTIC PARTNERS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE HERE BECAUSE IT HAS SOME VERY VIVID DETAILS. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS EXAMPLE HAS ALSO TAKEN OVER POLICE DEPARTMENTS MUCH CLOSER TO LAGO VISTA, FORT BEND COUNTY OUTSIDE OF HOUSTON JUST HAD TO FIRE OR RATHER IS INVESTIGATING AN OFFICER FOR THIS EXACT TYPE OF SPYING. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, AND THEN I PROMISE I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TURN IT OVER TO MY FRIEND REPRESENTING FLOC. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE PRIVACY CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDERS OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR DEMOCRACY WERE NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT ONE BAD OFFICER, YOU KNOW, OH, IS IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT THESE TYPES OF CONCERNS WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN LAGO VISTA? I THINK THE TRUTH IS NONE OF US REALLY KNOW FOR SURE. BUT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AND THE PRIVACY GUARANTEES ENSHRINED IN THE CONSTITUTION MAKE THAT CHOICE FOR YOU ALL AS A GOVERNING BODY, WHICH IS WE STAND WITH INDIVIDUAL PRIVACY, AND WE DON'T GIVE THE GOVERNMENT THIS MUCH POWER OVER PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL LIVES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT MONEY IS GOING TO A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION WHO IS TRACKING AND CREATING THESE INTIMATE PORTRAITS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. NO CLAPPING. ALL RIGHT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. FEEL FREE. THERE'S NO CLAPPING OR ANNOUNCING. SO APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. MR. PRINCE, I HAVE A QUESTION. AND THIS IN SOME SENSE MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I WANT TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER TO IT AS WELL. YOU MENTIONED THE CAMERAS. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THE ONLY THING THEY'RE CAPTURING IS THE REAR LICENSE PLATE. DO. DO WE KNOW OR ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE NOT OR MAY NOT BE CAPTURING IMAGES OF THE DRIVER? IS IT ONLY THE REAR LICENSE PLATE THAT'S CAPTURED OR WE DON'T KNOW? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE, AND YES, I DO, I AM ACTUALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THE PHOTO IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THAT. SO IT WOULD ALSO THAT'S WHERE LIKE THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES COME IN OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. SO THE DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, IT IS LARGELY THE BACK OF THE CAR. BUT IN TAKING THAT PHOTO, IT GIVES YOU THE CARS MAKE THE CARS MODEL. IT COULD SEE POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON THE MAKE OF THE CAR COULD SEE FURTHER IN TOWARDS THE DRIVER'S SEAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO JUST HAVE YOU THINK ABOUT IS JUST AS VALUE OR JUST AS IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO INDIVIDUAL PRIVACY, IS THE GEOLOCATION OF THAT PHOTO TO SAY YOU WERE IN THIS PLACE AT THIS TIME, AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A MILLION OF THOSE SNAPSHOTS, IT BECOMES VERY EASY FOR, OKAY, I HAVE ALL OF THESE 
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DIFFERENT READINGS OF COUNCIL MEMBER PRINTS OVER A MONTH. WELL, LET ME SEE WHERE HE WAS GOING. AND IF YOU ALL ARE ANYTHING LIKE ME, YOU PROBABLY HAVE PATTERNS AND ROUTINES, PLACES YOU GO REGULARLY. AND SO IN THAT MONTH, SNAPSHOT WITH ALL OF THAT GEOLOCATION, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU? YES, THAT'S I GET THAT QUESTION. YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MADE THAT POINT IN YOUR PRESENTATION VERY WELL. BUT WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, ARE THESE CAMERAS TRACKING THE LOCATION OF A VEHICLE OR ARE THEY TRACKING A LOCATION OF A PERSON WHO IS ASSOCIATED WITH VEHICLE? OKAY. VEHICLE. YEAH. NOW, BECAUSE OF THE INTIMATE ASSOCIATION BETWEEN A PERSON'S LICENSE PLATE. YEAH. BUT STRICTLY SPEAKING, VEHICLE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER ACTUALLY. BUT. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO ASK. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A WE'RE NOW IN A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCING WELL BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO LEGISLATE IT. AND AS THESE TECHNOLOGIES COME OUT IN A VERY HELPFUL MANNER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR CITIZENS CITIZENRY BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, HOW CAN THESE TECHNOLOGIES BE USED, ETC. SO TECHNOLOGIES DO COME OUT EFFECTIVELY, WELL INTENTIONED. 
          HOWEVER, THE POLICIES GET SET AND THIS WILL THE NEXT GENTLEMAN WILL ALSO ANSWER AS WELL. IF HE KNOWS, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY LIKE THE 30 DAY HOLD, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? ET CETERA. ET CETERA. RIGHT. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT IS NOT CITIZENRY. THAT IS POTENTIALLY BEST PRACTICE OR SOMETHING, BUT NOT AT AT THE BEHEST OF BEING VETTED THROUGH OUR LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. SO THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY LEGISLATION BEYOND WHAT YOU'VE STATED UP THERE THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE BALANCE BETWEEN SAFETY ON ONE SIDE AND PRIVACY CONSTITUTION, FOURTH AMENDMENT ON THE OTHER? THAT IS UP AND COMING. AS YOU SAID, YOU STATED ABOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS PROBABLY HAVING A CONVERSATION. 
          YOU KNOW, IS THERE ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE AWARE OF? YES. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE EXACT TEXT OF THOSE. I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS, LIKE IN SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THERE IS MODEL, MODEL LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN PASSED AROUND COMMUNITIES IN MASSACHUSETTS. DIFFERENT CITIES IN TEXAS HAVE BEEN RESPONDING TO THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AS WELL. SO I BROUGHT UP LIKE THE FORT BEND EXAMPLE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ALARM THAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND WILL CONTINUE TO HEAR TONIGHT IS NOT UNIQUE TO LAGO VISTA. AND SO I THINK IN GENERAL, IT COULD RAIN. THERE HAVE BEEN EXPERIMENTS TO RANGE FROM, WELL, MAYBE WE JUST HAVE A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL SO PEOPLE KNOW HOW IT'S BEING USED, HOW IT'S BEING SEARCHED. MAYBE WE HAVE LIMITS, YOU KNOW, RECORDING REQUIREMENTS ON THE WAY THAT POLICE OFFICERS CAN ACCESS THEM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PUTTING A CASE NUMBER ANYTIME THEY ACCESS OR AN INVESTIGATION NUMBER, ANYTIME THEY ACCESS IT, YOU KNOW, THERE. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I THINK, HOW DO I PUT THIS LIKE, IS, IS I THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE SOLUTIONS GET AT SOME OF THE ISSUES AROUND FLOC. BUT I THINK IN SOME WAYS, THE OBJECTIONS TO IT ARE MORE FUNDAMENTAL AND MORE ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF CITY DO WE WANT TO LIVE IN AND WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION DO WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE? AND DEPENDING ON WHAT CITY YOU LOOK AT. SO LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE, INITIALLY BEFORE THEY CANCELED THEIR CONTRACT, HAD A KIND OF REPORTING REQUIREMENT OF LIKE, WE'LL LIST THE INVESTIGATION NUMBER, LIKE THE REASON FOR THE SEARCH OF THE DATABASE. AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT OFFICERS ARE BUSY, PAPERWORK IS THE WORST PART OF, I THINK MAYBE EVERYONE'S JOB, CERTAINLY MINE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOUR COMRADES, BUT BUT YEAH, I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES AND EXAMPLES WHERE THOSE ALTERNATIVE MEASURES HAVE FAILED. AND SO TO ME, I THINK AT LEAST UNTIL YOU CAN FULLY VET IT WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO CANCEL THE CONTRACTS AND, AND, AND MOVE 
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AWAY FROM THIS FORM OF SURVEILLANCE IS, IS THE BEST FIRST STEP. IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, BUT EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS AND THESE BECAUSE I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE AS A STAFFER WHEN WE BANNED THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS AND THE TALKING POINT, THE MAIN ONE WAS THAT YOU GET THE RIGHT TO ADDRESS YOUR ACCUSER. BUT BUT THAT WAS JUST WHAT WE SAID IN THE PRESS. I MEAN, WHAT ALL THE WHAT ALL THE MEMBERS SAID IS THEY JUST DON'T LIKE THE DEVICE. THEY DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF HOW IT WAS DOING THINGS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS IS DOING. SO I GUESS LEGALLY OR WHAT ARE YOU HEARING IN COURT? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? I THINK SO A COUPLE OF THINGS IS THE WHAT. SO FIRST OF ALL, I WAS LEARNING TO DRIVE. WELL, I WAS, I HAD, I CAME UP DURING THAT BACK AND FORTH. AND SO I KNOW IT VERY WELL. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES IS THAT THESE CAMERAS, THE ALPERS, ARE AUTOMATED, WHERE AS SOON AS YOU DRIVE BY, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLICK, HERE'S A FEED, HERE'S A FEED, HERE'S A FEED WHERE THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THAT 1 MILLION NUMBER. THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE SITUATED SUCH THAT THEY ONLY GO OFF WHEN YOU'VE RAN THE RED LIGHT. YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DON'T RECORD EVERYONE WHO PASSES THROUGH A GREEN LIGHT. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONSTELLATION OF DATA, YOU KNOW, THE RHETORICAL QUESTION I POSED TO COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE IN TERMS OF, WELL, WHAT WOULD A 30 DAY SNAPSHOT LOOK FOR YOU OR YOU OR ANYONE? THAT CONCERN DOESN'T EXIST AS MUCH BECAUSE THE QUESTION WITH RED LIGHT CAMERAS WOULD BE LIKE, IF YOU HAD A DATA POINT OF EVERY TIME YOU RAN A RED LIGHT OVER THE COURSE OF 30 DAYS, NOW LOOK, THERE MIGHT BE DRIVERS WHERE IT'S THE SAME THING, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE. WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE SAME BILL AUTHOR THAT PASSED THAT BILL, SENATOR BOB HALL, HE WAS COAUTHOR, HE'S ALREADY COME OUT TO SAY HE IS DOING A SIMILAR BILL ON THIS. AND, AND YES, WE WILL BE IN THE LEGISLATURE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL. AND SO, YEAH, BUT IF NOTHING ELSE, THANK YOU ALL SO, SO MUCH. GREAT. OH, YES, SIR. YEAH. MR. MINNIFIELD, I JUST HAVE THE FULL, FULL DISCLOSURE, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, BUT I DID NO PREPARED NOTES. LET IT FLY, SIR. I DID THAT BECAUSE I WANTED TO COME IN WITH LIKE JUST THIS VERY NEUTRAL. SO I JUST HAD I HAD SIX QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE IF THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE NAIVE ON MY PART, BUT YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE CAMERAS CAN HELP OFFICERS IDENTIFY ROMANTIC PARTNERS WHERE YOU GO TO CHURCH, WHERE ARE YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICES AT? WHO YOUR THERAPIST IS? RELIGIOUS SECTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT. YES, SIR. I GUESS UNLESS THE I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IS UNLESS THE CAMERA IS POSITIONED RIGHT OUTSIDE OR RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR THERAPIST, IF THE CAMERAS JUST IF IT'S IF IT'S A FIXED CAMERA AND YOU JUST DRIVE BY IT AT 1431 AND IT TAKES A PICTURE, HOW WOULD IT KNOW WHO YOUR LOVER IS? OR HOW WOULD IT KNOW WHERE YOUR THERAPIST IS AT IF IT'S JUST TAKING A STILL PHOTO? SO LET ME GIVE YOU A VERY CONCRETE ANSWER, WHICH IS THAT. SO LET'S SAY EVERY LET'S SAY YOU LOOK AT THE 30 DAY SAMPLE OF FOR WHATEVER LICENSE PLATE AND YOU NOTICE A HIT EVERY SUNDAY AT NOON OR AT 10 A.M. AT THE SAME LICENSE PLATE CAMERA. AND THAT LICENSE PLATE CAMERA IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM A CHURCH THAT HAS MASS AT 10 A.M. AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE WITH ANY OF THE OTHER PLACES I MENTIONED. IF THERE'S A DOCTOR'S OFFICE IN TOWN DOWN THE STREET FROM ONE OF THE CAMERAS, WELL, WHY, WHY DO YOU GO THERE THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH? AND SO I THINK IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT IT VERY CONCRETELY, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE WON'T BE A VIDEO OF ME WALKING INTO MY DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT OR GOING ON A DATE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. BUT I THINK PART OF THE REASON IT BECOMES SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL FOR STALKERS, MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE HORROR STORIES I MENTIONED EARLIER. AND WHEN YOU SAY STALKERS, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M REFERRING TO THE EX ROMANTIC PARTNERS WHO ARE USING FLOCK TO IDENTIFY THEIR WHERE THEIR EX PARTNERS GOING. OKAY. YEAH, NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TOTALLY, BUT THOSE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE CAMERAS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND 
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I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE TEXT MESSAGE ON ONE OF MY SLIDES, YOU MIGHT BE MORE INCLINED TO AGREE WITH ME ON THAT CHARACTERIZATION. BUT REGARDLESS, I THINK WHY IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL IS THE WAY IS NOT ONLY THE WAYS THAT WE CREATE ROUTINES IN A CITY THAT WE LIVE IN, BUT ALSO THE CONNECTIONS TO OTHER PLACES WHERE IF YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S GOING ON A ROAD TRIP AND YOU KNOW, THE POLICE CAN HAS PARTNERSHIPS FROM HERE TO BIG BEND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE AND YOU'RE GETTING SIGNALS ON THAT LICENSE PLATE ALL THE WAY OUT ON YOUR ROAD TRIP. THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ENDED UP. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. OF COURSE. SECOND QUESTION IS YOU SAID, AND I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD IT, IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SUSPECTED OF A CRIME FOR YOUR DATA TO BE ACCESSED. IS THAT DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? YOU SAID LIKE, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, BUT YOUR GIRLFRIEND COULD BE. YES. YEAH. SO CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. SO LET'S JUST SAY LIKE, TAKE Y'ALL'S PRETEND THERE IS NO LAGO VISTA POLICY AND IT'S JUST THE LVPD AND FLOCK ENTER INTO A CONTRACT. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FLOCK DATABASE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE INVESTIGATING A PARTICULAR CRIME, OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THE LICENSE PLATE YOU'RE READING, YOUR RESEARCHING IS THE LICENSE PLATE YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR IS ACTUALLY SUSPECTED OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENTS, LIKE I WAS SAYING TO MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME JURISDICTIONS IMPOSE THOSE LIMITS AND WILL REQUIRE YOU TO PUT AN INVESTIGATION NUMBER OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BUT BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FROM THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT. NOW, OF COURSE, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT EVEN IF YOU DON'T CONTRACT FOR IT. BUT. MAYBE THE ONE I'M MOST CONFUSED OF IS YOU MENTIONED OPERATIVE POLICIES IN WHICH BUSINESSES AND HOAS CAN EMPLOY THEIR OWN CAMERAS TO ACCESS THE DATABASE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CAN YOU ELABORATE THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH. SO I THAT WAS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM Y'ALL'S LIKE OPERATIVE LICENSE PLATE ORDINANCE. AND I THINK I ACTUALLY MEANT IT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, WHICH IS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN ACCESS LIKE THEY CAN ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT AND NEGOTIATE THAT. 
          NOW, HOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE AGREEMENTS OR WHATEVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE, I'M HONESTLY NOT SURE. BUT SO BUT IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. IT WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT. NO. SO I GUESS WHEN YOU SAID IT, I WAS CONCERNED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THEM. SO THEY GET THAT ACCESS. YES. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          NO, NO, I IT WAS ALARMING. YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT IS TERRIBLE. AND IF I COULD, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH, THAT LIKE, THERE'S NO REASON IT COULDN'T GO IN THE LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE, THE, THE DECISIONS THAT Y'ALL'S OPERATIVE POLICY RIGHT NOW AND THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS FOR, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW OF A REASON WHY MAYBE THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE CAN TELL ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW A REASON WHY YOU ALL COULDN'T ENTER INTO SUCH AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE PRIVATE FLOCK USER HAS ACCESS TO Y'ALL'S DATABASE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          SECOND TO LAST QUESTION IS YOU MENTIONED THAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS THREATEN THE VERY WAY THE VERY CRIMES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. YES, SIR. HAVE THERE BEEN? AND YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH A LONG LAUNDRY LIST IF THERE IS. BUT ARE ARE THERE EXAMPLES? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT HYPOTHETICALLY COULD OCCUR, BUT ARE THERE EXAMPLES OF WHERE CRIMINALS HAVE BEEN EXONERATED OR CASES DISMISSED BECAUSE OF EVIDENCE OF FLOCK NOT BEING ADMISSIBLE IN COURT? SO NOT FLOCK SPECIFICALLY, BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF NUMEROUS OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT PRESENT THAT RISK OR THAT HAVE SUSTAINED MOTIONS TO SUPPRESS. AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE CITATIONS TO YOU DIRECTLY. AND AGAIN, I THINK 
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THE THE QUESTION TO ME IS, AFTER CHATRI, ARE YOU WILLING TO TO TAKE THAT RISK? SO I'LL JUST I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE ANECDOTE, WHICH WAS IN MID-JULY, THE 11TH CIRCUIT, WHICH IS A FEDERAL COURT THAT OVERSEES FLORIDA, KIND OF THE GULF SOUTH PASSED MISSISSIPPI. SO ALABAMA, GEORGIA, FLORIDA. AND THEY ASKED THE GOVERNMENT, HEY, THIS CHATRI OPINION LOOKS PRETTY BAD FOR YOUR POSITION. AND I FORGET THE EXACT FACTS OF THAT CASE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS A VERY LIVE ISSUE ON JUDGES MINDS. AND SO MY ONLY POINT IN BRINGING THAT UP WAS THAT IN PURSUING CRIMINAL CHARGES OR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AGAINST SOMEONE USING THIS TECHNOLOGY, YOU ARE OPENING YOURSELF TO THAT RISK. THANK YOU. AND LAST QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU PULLED A LOT OF THE DATA, LIKE HOW MANY CAMERA PHOTOS, DATA RETENTION FROM OUR WEBSITE. IS THAT MORE TRANSPARENCY THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN MOST CITIES OR WHAT YOU FOUND ON OUR DATABASE? WAS THAT KIND OF THE NORM? I THINK IT IT REALLY RUNS THE GAMUT FROM LIKE NOTHING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS BAD TO LIKE MAPS OF LIKE WHERE THE CAMERAS ACTUALLY ARE. SO IN THAT WAY IT'S LESS TRANSPARENT. AND SIMILARLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, WHAT'S HARD ABOUT THE QUESTION IS THAT JURISDICTIONS ARE EVEN SPLIT ON HOW THEY RESPOND TO PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS ABOUT THIS. LIKE SOME OF THEM SAY, YOU KNOW, KICK SAND, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CAMERA BECAUSE IT INTERFERES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. OTHERS WILL GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE REASON PUT IN TO THE REASON PUT IN TO FOR THE SEARCH. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY WAS A WAY YOU WANTED TO GO, I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I THINK I LEARNED A LOT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WAS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. SO I'M NOT HERE TO, YOU KNOW, CAST ASPERSIONS AT Y'ALL ON THAT GROUND. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. OR ON ANY GROUND. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE WE ABLE TO FINISH A FEW MINUTES OFF OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PRESENTATION, OR IS THIS BETTER TO MOVE THE FLOCK AND THEN YOU CAN COME UP AFTER THAT AGAIN I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS IAN LESLIE AND I'M THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR FLOCK. AND A CORE PART OF MY ROLE IS GOING AROUND AND EDUCATING MUNICIPAL LEADERS LIKE YOURSELVES, BUSINESS LEADERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS ON WHO FLOCK IS WHAT FLOCK PRODUCTS DO AND DO NOT DO. I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN'S DETAIL ORIENTED PRESENTATION, BUT EVEN WITHIN THAT PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A LOT OF INACCURACIES, INACCURACIES, THERE WAS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION. AND SO THAT'S WHY I TAKE A LOT OF HONEST IN MY ROLE TO GIVE YOU FACTUAL INFORMATION, TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN DIALOG AND BE HELD RESPONSIBLE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. SO. MAKE SURE THIS ON. SO WHAT I HAVE HERE IS MY PRESENTATION DECK THAT WILL ADDRESS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD HEAD ON. I FEEL LIKE THE WORD CONCRETE WAS KEPT BEING REPEATED, BUT YOUR GUYS'S QUESTIONS WERE NOT ANSWERED. AND A LOT OF THIS IS PLAYING CUT AND DRY. SO HOPEFULLY A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED THROUGH MY PRESENTATION. AND THEN AS A FOLLOW UP, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, EVERYBODY AT FLOCK BELIEVES THAT EVERYONE DESERVES TO FEEL SAFE REGARDLESS OF YOUR RACE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR RELIGION, YOUR ZIP CODE, AND WHATEVER RESOURCES YOUR YOUR CITY HAS ACCESS TO. NOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE TERM OF BEING SAFE CAN BE SUBJECTIVE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU FEEL, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER NUANCES THAT GO INTO MAKING A COMMUNITY SAFE. BUT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOLUTIONS AND TOOLS TO ALLOW YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR YOUR AGENCY TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT WITH NOT ONLY RESPONDING TO CRIME, BUT ELIMINATING CRIME IN YOUR CITY. I WANT TO START FIRST WITH A CASE STUDY. SO THIS CASE STUDY IS OUT OF CHAMBLEE, GEORGIA, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL RESONATE WITH. THIS BEAUTIFUL CHILD HERE WAS ABDUCTED FROM HER, FROM HER MOTHER. AND SO I CAN I THINK WE CAN ALL HAVE EMPATHY AND SYMPATHY WITH BEING IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, RIGHT? AS OF 12. AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE FLOCK SYSTEM IN PRACTICE. AT 1233, THAT AMBER ALERT WAS ISSUED, MUCH LIKE THE AMBER ALERT WE JUST SAW IN TRAVIS COUNTY OF THE 14 YEAR OLD THAT WAS ABDUCTED BY ONE ON ONE, THERE WAS A THERE WAS A CONDUCTION OF THE FLOCK SAFETY SYSTEM AT 101 BY 230. THAT VEHICLE, THAT VEHICLE WAS LOCATED. AND THAT SUSPECT WAS LOCATED. AND BY 5503 THAT THAT VEHICLE WAS OR THAT THAT PERPETRATOR WAS ARRESTED AND 
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STOPPED. AND BY 6:00, THAT CHILD WAS BACK HOME WITH THEIR MOTHER. I'M GOING TO LET THAT SIT FOR A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THAT HITS HOME BECAUSE IT WAS JUST HERE IN TRAVIS COUNTY. SO IN MOMENTS WHERE SECONDS MATTER, WHERE MINUTES MATTER, WHERE HOURS MATTER, YOUR AGENCY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE EFFECTIVE TOOLS TO RESPONSIBLY AND EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY RESPOND TO CRIME. THAT CASE, RIGHT THERE IS JUST ONE OF A MILLION CASES THAT FLOCK HELPED SOLVE LAST YEAR, AND THAT THAT CHILD IS JUST ONE OF 10,000 THAT FLOCK ASSISTED IN HELPING BRING HOME LAST YEAR AS OF 2025. AND SO I THINK I ALWAYS LIKE TO START OFF WITH THAT SO WE CAN RESONATE WITH REAL LIFE IMPACT, NOT HYPOTHETICALS, BUT REAL LIFE SCENARIOS THAT ARE HAPPENING. TO START OUT WITH THE STORY OF FLOCK. FLOCK IS ACTUALLY MUCH DIFFERENT, IN MY OPINION, THAN OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY STARTED OUT SELLING TO SMALL HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE DEALING WITH CRIME, SPECIFICALLY CAR THEFTS AND CAR BREAK INS. A LOT OF CRIME GOES UNREPORTED AND UNSOLVED BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S NO LICENSE PLATE. THERE'S A VAGUE VEHICLE DESCRIPTION. THINK OF, THINK OF IF YOU'RE IN A HIT AND RUN, YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE MAKE AND MODEL OF VEHICLE. YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THE LICENSE PLATE. YOU'RE REACTING TO A CRIME. AND SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF CRIME HISTORICALLY HAS GONE UNSOLVED. FLOCK STARTED OUT BY SELLING SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE HOA'S AND SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS, DEALING WITH CRIME AS A WAY TO HELP THEIR AGENCY SPECIFICALLY RESPOND TO CRIME IN THEIR NETWORK, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE IT HITS HOME. SO FROM 2017, WE STARTED OUT BASED IN ATLANTA AND GEORGIA AND LIKE I SAID, STARTED SELLING OUT TO HOAS AND HOW I'VE GROWN TO HAVING OVER 12,000 CUSTOMERS, REPRESENTATIVES, 6000 COMMUNITIES, ENCOMPASSING OF HOAS, BUSINESSES, AGENCIES AT THE CITY, COUNTY AND STATE LEVEL. AND I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THAT GROWTH TAKES TRUST. TRUST IS A HARD THING TO NOT ONLY GET INITIALLY, BUT IT'S ALSO A HARD THING TO KEEP AND INCORPORATE. AND SO WE TAKE PRIDE IN THAT. WE ARE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE 12,000 CUSTOMERS, 6000 OR 6000 COMMUNITIES, AND ARE SOLVING ALMOST ABOUT 20% OF CRIME THAT THAT IS HAPPENING NATIONWIDE. THAT IS NOT BY ACCIDENT. MOVING ON, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT POLICING, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE THE HISTORICAL ELEMENT OF POLICING AND HOW WE'VE GROWN INTO THE 21ST CENTURY ELEMENT OF POLICING, A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF POLICING, NOT NOT TO RELY, BUT AS A, AS A, AS A, AS AN ELEMENT TO HELP THE POLICE OR RELYING ON TECHNOLOGY. BUT TECHNOLOGY CAN OPERATE IN SILOS. TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T ALWAYS ALLOW YOU TO OPERATE THE MOST EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY. YOU NEED SYSTEMS THAT CAN WORK TOGETHER TO WHERE IN THE MOMENTS YOU NEED IT, THEY CAN COLLABORATE TOGETHER AND ALLOW YOU TO MOVE QUICKLY, RESPONSIBLY, AND EFFICIENTLY. AND SO OUR ECOSYSTEM WORKS TOGETHER. AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CAMERAS. THAT'S NOT JUST THE FULL BRUNT OF ECOSYSTEM OF WHAT FLOCK SELLS. WE HAVE A WHOLE ECOSYSTEM THAT WILL ALLOW YOUR AGENCY TO, TO, TO COMBAT CRIME. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE DAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALPERS AND LIVE VIDEO CAMERAS HERE TODAY. BUT IT'S NO SECRET THAT AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DEALING WITH BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, PERSONNEL CONSTRAINTS, LEGACY SYSTEMS, OUTDATED, OUTDATED POLICIES. AGAIN, THE LIST KIND OF GOES ON. AND SO WE AT FLOCK TAKE PRIDE IN BEING ABLE TO SUPPLY YOUR AGENCY WITH THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND PERTINENT SOLUTIONS TO ALLOW THEM TO MORE EFFECTIVELY DO THEIR JOB GOING INTO HOW AN ALPR CAMERA WORKS. 
          AND THIS IS GOING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE HYPOTHETICALS OR QUESTIONS THAT THAT THAT CAME OUT. ONE, AN ALPR CAMERA IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR CCTV CAMERA THAT'S LOOKING AT US RIGHT THERE. THAT'S PROBABLY OUTSIDE OR AT A BUSINESS HOME OR ANY OTHER ENTITY. AND ALPR CAMERA TAKES A POINT IN TIME, STILL IMAGE OF THE BACK OF YOUR VEHICLE CAPTURING OBJECTIVE VEHICLE DATA. WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? IT'S CAPTURING YOUR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DOCUMENTS SUCH AS YOUR LICENSE PLATE, THE MAKE MODEL, AND ANY OTHER OBJECTIVE CHARACTERISTICS SPECIFIC TO THAT VEHICLE, SUCH AS IF THERE'S DAMAGE ON THE LEFT SIDE. IS THERE A ROOF RACK? IS THERE, IS THERE A BUMPER STICKER? AND THAT POINTS JUST TO ACCURACY OF THE SYSTEM. AND I'M GOING TO GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT LATER. OUR FLOCK LPR CAMERAS USE AI AND MACHINE LEARNING TO IDENTIFY THOSE. THOSE IDENTIFIERS SUCH AS THE MAKE THE MODEL THE LICENSE PLATE. THAT IS THE ELEMENT OF WHERE AI COMES INTO THAT. BUT IT'S A OUR SYSTEM DOESN'T SOLELY RELY ON AI. THERE STILL IS A HUMAN ELEMENT INTO VERIFYING THE VEHICLE. OUR SYSTEM INTEGRATES WITH A MULTITUDE OF HOT LISTS CALLED NCIC NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER. TEXAS HAS ITS OWN TEXAS CRIME INFORMATION CENTER. WHEN A CRIME HAPPENS, YOUR AGENCY WILL REPORT THAT CRIME IN NCIC AND CIC AND WHAT OTHER WHATEVER OTHER HOT LIST THEY OPT INTO TO REPORT THAT CRIME THAT IS VERIFIED THROUGH CJIS CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS DATA. WHEN IT'S REPORTED TO A CRIME. ALL OUR SYSTEM DOES IS SIMPLY INTEGRATE CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATE OF A VEHICLE THAT IS TIED IN THAT INVESTIGATION OR REPORTED IN THAT CRIME, AND GIVING YOU THE ALERT IN REAL TIME SAYING, HEY, THIS VEHICLE WAS LINKED TO A MURDER, WHO KNOWS WHERE, RIGHT. IT JUST ENTERED THE JURISDICTION OF LAGO VISTA. THIS VEHICLE WAS TIMED TO TIED TO AN ABDUCTION OF A CHILD. THIS VEHICLE HERE WAS TIED TO WHATEVER HEINOUS CRIME YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO THINK OF IT'S ALERTING YOU IN REAL TIME SO THAT YOUR AGENCY CAN RESPOND BEFORE A CRIME HAPPENS. IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO RESPOND AND RESPOND TO CRIME AFTER IT'S HAPPENED. SO IT'S BOTH AN 
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EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMBAT CRIME AND A DETERRENT AT THE SAME TIME. WE ALSO ARE A NETWORK ALSO ALLOWS FOR YOUR AGENCY TO COLLABORATE WITH OTHER AGENCIES. CRIME IS NOT JURISDICTIONAL. 
          IT'S NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS. SOMEBODY WILL STEAL A VEHICLE AND HEAD SOUTH, HEAD NORTH, SOMEBODY WILL ABDUCT A CHILD AND HEAD SOUTH AND HEAD NORTH. SO AGENCIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT CRIME, SUCH AS THE CASE STUDY I JUST SHOWED YOU OF THE CHILD BEING ABDUCTED, AND OUR SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR THAT, THAT THAT COLLABORATION TO HAPPEN. THIS HERE KIND OF JUST, AGAIN, JUST GOES THROUGH THOSE REAL TIME ALERTS THAT I, THAT I, THAT I MENTIONED, AGAIN, NCIC, NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN, YOU HAVE AMBER ALERTS, YOU HAVE SILVER ALERTS. AGAIN, YOUR AGENCY HAS THE ABILITY TO OPT IN TO WHATEVER ALERTS THEY WANT TO RECEIVE. THAT IS DONE AT THAT, AT THEIR DISCRETION. VEHICLE SIGNATURE. SO WHAT IF THERE IS NO PLATE AT ALL? WHAT IF WHAT IF THE PERPETRATOR SWITCHES OUT THE LICENSE PLATE? RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN? SAY WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE PLATE. THAT IS WHY CAPTURING THE MAKE MODEL AND ALL THOSE OTHER OBJECTIVE IDENTIFIERS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATE. BECAUSE WHAT IF I HAVE A I'M DRIVING A RED HONDA, I SEE ANOTHER RED HONDA, AND I JUST SWITCH OUT THE LICENSE PLATE BECAUSE SOMEBODY WENT INTO THE STORE AND I HAVE 15 MINUTES TO DO THAT. NOW, THAT PERSON WHO'S GETTING STOPPED ISN'T THE ONE THAT COMMITTED THE CRIME. RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, NOT TO GET INTO A WHOLE BUNCH OF HYPOTHETICALS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE IS HOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS WORKING IN REAL TIME. VEHICLE SIGNATURE ALLOWS FOR YOU TO CAPTURE THOSE OBJECTIVE DETAILS. AGAIN, TO REPEAT, MAKE MODEL LICENSE PLATE, ROOF RACK. MAYBE IT'S A TRUCK WITH A TOOLBOX GOING ON AT THE BACK OF IT. AGAIN, THAT WILL ALLOW FOR ACCURACY OF THE SYSTEM. WHAT IF THERE'S FOUR F-150S WITH A TOOLBOX THAT ARE WHITE IN LAGO VISTA? HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT VEHICLE? YOUR AGENCY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE TO FURTHER THAT INVESTIGATION. ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO COMPLIMENT AND ADD IN HERE IS FLOCK CAMERA, FLOCK ALPR CAMERAS DO NOT COLLECT WHAT WE CALL PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? BIOMETRICS ARE NOT IDENTIFIED. RACE, GENDER, ANY OF THOSE PERSONAL IDENTIFIERS ARE NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE IN THE IMAGE THAT'S CAPTURED. RIGHT. AND I'LL SPEAK MORE TO THAT OF WHY THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF DETAILS THAT ARE GOING INTO THOSE CASE LAW ELEMENTS OF WHY AN LPR IS DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE CELL PHONE TRACKING OR GEOFENCE TRACKING, OR JUST PLAIN ON PUTTING A TRACKER ON A VEHICLE AND TRACKING IT. NIGHT VISION HERE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP OVER THIS FOR A SECOND TIME. WE ALL KNOW CRIME DOESN'T STOP AT AT MIDDAY OR DURING THE DAY AT ALL. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE THE PROPER IMAGE QUALITY TO CAPTURE CRIME AT NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY. AND ACTUALLY, I WANT TO I WANT TO POINT OUT A PICTURE HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT IS CAPTURED. THIS IS THE IMAGE THAT IS CAPTURED WHEN LPR CAMERA, RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. NOW TRANSPARENCY. IS IT A CAMERA? YES. WE'LL SAY IF THERE'S SOMEBODY UP IN THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER AND THEY'RE WALKING RIGHT. WILL THEY CATCH UP IN THAT FRAME? IS IT UNLIKELY? MAYBE. MAYBE IT WON'T BE THEIR FULL BODY, MAYBE THEIR ARM, MAYBE HALF THEIR FACE. AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY. IT IS A CAMERA. WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS AND GUARDRAILS BUILT WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO WHERE YOU CANNOT SEARCH FOR THAT PERSON IN THE SYSTEM. AND I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS AS WELL. BUT THIS IS A GOOD IMAGE OF WHAT IS CAPTURED ON AN ALPR CAMERA. AND ALPR CAMERA IS NOT CONSTANTLY BEING MONITORED BY YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT IS MOTION ACTIVATED, AND IT'S ONLY ACTIVATED WHEN A CAR PASSES THAT AND IS ONLY PICKING UP THAT THOSE OBJECTIVE VEHICLE INFORMATION DOES NOT PICK UP PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, AND IT DOES NOT HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION ON IT. BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AGAIN, WE'VE EVEN TOUCHED ON IT HERE. THIS HAS BEEN WIDELY DEBATED NOT ONLY FROM A FUNCTIONALITY OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS, BUT IN REGARD ALSO IN REGARDS TO CIVIL LIBERTIES AND PRIVACY CONCERNS. AND SO HERE ARE JUST TWO TWO QUOTES THAT I LIKE TO ENTER INTO THOSE PRESENTATIONS OF TWO REPUTABLE ORGANIZATIONS, ONE BEING THE CENTER FOR INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND ONE BEING THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS THAT ARTICULATES THE LEGALITY OF THE USE OF LPR FOR LAW ENFORCEMENTS. FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT I'M LISTING HERE TODAY, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PICKING UP PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE DATA RETENTION POLICY THERE, WITH THE SYSTEM BEING BUILT WITH PRIVACY IN MIND AND CIVIL LIBERTIES IN MIND, IT IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE, AGAIN, CELL PHONE TRACKING, GEOLOCATION TRACKING, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER PRECISE, INTIMATE DETAILS THAT YOU CAN GET FROM HAVING A CELL PHONE IN YOUR POCKET. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I DON'T GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT MY CELL PHONE. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE INTIMATE DETAILS THAT AN AGENCY OR THE GOVERNMENT OR WHOEVER WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO MY CELL PHONE. THEN IN A PUBLIC, PUBLIC ROADWAY OR PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE. AGAIN, I KEEP REARTICULATING HOW THE SYSTEM IS BUILT WITH PRIVACY IN MIND. AND SO TO REARTICULATE YOU AS THE CUSTOMER OWN 100% OF THE DATA IN FLOCK DOES NOT SELL DATA FULL STOP. PRIVATE CUSTOMERS SUCH AS THE ONES MENTIONED HERE TODAY SUCH AS HOA'S, PRIVATE ENTITIES, LOWE'S, HOME DEPOT OR ANY OTHER OTHER ENTITIES DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CRIMINAL OR GOVERNMENT INFORMATION THAT YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY 
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DOES. THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER WAS CORRECT, AND IT WILL INCREASE THE NETWORK THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO. BUT THE REASON WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT, IF YOUR CAR IS STOLEN FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S NO FLOCK CAMERAS AROUND, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP THAT CRIME. RIGHT? OR IF A, IF A, IF A, IF A, IF A MURDERER ENTERS YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW IN REAL TIME, HEY, SOMEBODY THAT WAS LINKED TO A VEHICLE IS ENTERING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN REAL TIME. BUT THOSE PRIVATE ENTITIES DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT OR CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION. FLOCK AUTOMATICALLY DELETES THE DATA BY 30 DAYS BY DEFAULT. MA'AM, YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER TODAY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A GUARDRAIL WE'RE SETTING AS A COMPANY. NOBODY TOLD US TO DO THAT. AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THAT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN YOUR CELL PHONE PROVIDER WHO WAS ABLE TO HOLD ON TO YOUR DATA FOR HOWEVER MANY TIMES WE WE MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE THAT AND BE A LEADER IN THE INDUSTRY WITH THAT, BUT THAT ALSO CAN BE MADE AT THE LOCAL, LOCAL LEVEL. I'VE SEEN SOME COMMUNITIES LOWER THAT TO 21 DAYS. I'VE SEEN SOME INCREASES TO 45 DAYS. THIS IS WHERE LOCAL CONTROL STARTS TO COME IN AND WHAT YOUR PRIVACY OR WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY VALUES CAN REPLICATE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THOSE DECISIONS. AGAIN, FLOCK LPR IS ONLY TAKE IMAGES OF PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. I'M GOING TO REARTICULATE THAT A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE AS WE JUST SAW HERE TODAY, THERE'S A LOT OF BUZZWORDS, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AND THESE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT A CAMERA COULD POSSIBLY DO. CAMERAS ARE NOT NEW THINGS, BUT THERE IS A VERY MUCH DIFFERENT BETWEEN A LIVE CCTV CAMERA AND AN LPR. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE FACTUAL INFORMATION WITH THERE. ADDITIONALLY, YOUR AGENCY DECIDES WHO YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH. SO THOSE 47 AGENCIES THAT WAS REPRESENTED ON THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, THAT IS AN AGENCY DECISION. WE DON'T SET THOSE PARAMETERS. BUT THAT GOES BACK TO WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR REGIONAL AGENCIES TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER. I WILL USE THE RECENT AUSTIN SITUATION. HE BROUGHT UP AUSTIN RECENTLY TURNING OFF THEIR CAMERAS. AUSTIN HAS ALSO JUST ROLLED OUT A TRUST ACT, WHICH MORE SPEAKS TO HOW THEY ROLL TECHNOLOGY OUT RESPONSIBLY AND A LOT OF LANES, RIGHT? BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE WAS A RECENT MASS SHOOTING IN AUSTIN WHERE THE ASSAILANTS WERE ABLE TO FIRE 105 ROUNDS AROUND THE CITY AND ESCAPE AUSTIN PD WITH A 200 200 MAN MANHUNT FOR OVER 24 HOURS. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THEY WENT INTO A NEIGHBORING CITY, MAYNOR, WHO HAS FLOCK CAMERAS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THEM WITHIN TWO HOURS. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S NOT ABOUT WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN OR IT'S NOT ABOUT IF IT WILL HAPPEN, IT'S WHEN AND ARE WE PREPARED, AND DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO US TO RESPOND TO THOSE SYSTEMS? OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, FLOCK, FLOCK CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION GOING INTO SOME OF OUR DATA, DATA SECURITY MEASURES. WE TAKE DATA SECURITY AT THE AT THE UTMOST WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE OPERATE HERE AT FLOCK. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT CAPTURING PERSONAL, IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, WE STILL HAVE INDUSTRY LEADING DATA SECURITY CERTIFICATIONS THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DATA IS SECURE AND SAFE. AND SO LISTED OUT HERE IS WE ARE CERTIFIED IN A CERTIFIED SOC TWO, TYPE TWO, ISO 2700 DATA SECURITY DATA PRIVACY CERTIFIED, ISO 4201 CERTIFIED. KIND OF THE LIST GOES. AND SO THOSE ARE THE KEY THING I WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT SECURITY MEASURES IS THOSE REQUIRE SOME REQUIRE ANNUAL, SOME REQUIRE BI ANNUAL, SOME REQUIRE QUARTERLY OFFENSIVE PENETRATION TESTING. 
          SO THAT WAY, IF WE ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS CERTIFICATION, WE HAVE TO HAVE INDEPENDENT AUDITORS TO BACK UP THOSE SYSTEMS WHO ARE TRYING TO GET INTO OUR SYSTEM IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THOSE THOSE SECURITY CERTIFICATIONS. ALSO, YOUR DATA IS HOUSED IN AWS GOVCLOUD, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT YOU CAN STORE DATA IN TO, TO GIVE A COMPARABLE. THAT IS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USES TO HOLD TO, TO, TO HOLD THE MOST SENSITIVE DATA. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN'T GET MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, ALL DATA BY DEFAULT IS DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER IS REFLECTIVE OF YOUR POLICY. ALL IN ALL, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN SIT BEHIND. WE UNDERSTAND, AND I HAVE A PERSONAL PASSION OF NOT ONLY HOW WE ARE RESPONSIBLY DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY, BUT HOW OUR CITIES RESPONSIBLY DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY. YOU, AS AN ELECTED BUNCH HERE, NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE TOUGH QUESTIONS CONCRETELY WITH CUT AND DRY. AND SO WE WANT A SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN STAND BEHIND AND FEEL CONFIDENT IN, NOT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE LAGO VISTA PD IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WRONG, BUT WE KNOW IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, WE CAN THERE'S THERE'S, THERE'S MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO WHERE THAT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND SO WHAT I HAVE LISTED HERE IS SOME OF THOSE GUARDRAILS AND SAFEGUARDS THAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO THE INTO THE SYSTEM. AGAIN, YOUR AGENCY HAS 100% CONTROL OVER WHO THEY SHARE WITH. AND THOSE DECISIONS CAN BE MADE AT ANY TIME. WHETHER YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH CEDAR PARK OR LEANDER OR AUSTIN PD. AGAIN, THAT IS UP TO YOUR GUYS'S DISCRETION. TRANSPARENCY PORTALS. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT COMMUNITIES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ALIKE ARE ASKING A FLOCK. LPR IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT TOOL. WHY? BECAUSE PRIOR TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, 
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PEOPLE CAN GO AND LOOK AT HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING USED. THAT IS BEING TRANSPARENT. CAN YOU NAME TO ME ANOTHER TOOL, AN EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT EVEN OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT GRANULAR DETAIL OF HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING USED. I DOUBT IN THAT PLACE. NOW, IF WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF TOOLS THAT WERE TRANSPARENT THAT WAY, I WOULD LOVE IT. BUT THOSE TRANSPARENCY TOOL PORTALS WILL ALLOW FOR YOUR AGENCY TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC. HERE'S HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THE SYSTEM AND GET GRANULAR DETAILS. 
          HOW MANY CAMERAS DO WE HAVE? WHO DO WE SHARE WITH? HOW MANY HITS HAVE WE HAD? WHAT HOTLIST ARE WE OPTED INTO? WE WANT TO ALLOW YOUR AGENCY AND AS WELL AS YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OF HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING UTILIZED. THAT'S WHAT THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL IS FOR ENCRYPTED DATA. AGAIN, I JUST WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE SECURITY CERTIFICATIONS AND RAN YOU THROUGH AWS GOV CLOUD OF THE MEASURES THAT WE TAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DATA IS SECURE. I'M GOING TO I'M GONNA I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PAUSE HERE BECAUSE THIS ACTUALLY JUST JUST CAME OUT. AND THIS IS WHERE FALSE MISINFORMATION TURNS INTO DISINFORMATION. EVERY SEARCH OF THE SYSTEM HAS TO REQUIRES AN OFFENSE TYPE AND A SEARCH REASON. OFFENSE TYPES ARE LINKED TO NIBRS CODES. NATIONAL INCIDENT REPORTING BASED SYSTEM. SO AM I SEARCHING THE SYSTEM FOR MURDER, CHILD TRAFFICKING, ASSAULT, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE, THOSE ARE NIBRS CODED, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEARCH REASON TO UTILIZE THE SYSTEM BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN CONDUCT A SEARCH. IF IT'S AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION, THERE IS A FILTER IN THERE WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT THE PUT THE CASE NUMBER. ALL OF THESE ARE MANDATORY BEFORE YOU UTILIZE THESE SYSTEM. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL TOOLS AND FEATURES IN THERE CALLED AUDIT ASSIST. AUDIT ASSIST WILL AUTOMATICALLY FLAG ANY ATYPICAL OR ABNORMAL THINGS DONE INTO THE SYSTEM. WHAT DO I MEAN BY ATYPICAL OR ABNORMAL? SAY DETECTIVE LESLIE IS SEARCHING A LICENSE PLATE 20 TIMES IN THE SPAN OF AN HOUR OR OVER A WEEK'S PERIOD OF TIME. THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO FLAG THAT TO THAT ADMINISTRATOR TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, THIS, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. AND IT NEEDS TO BE FLAGGED AND ADDRESS. THAT IS HOW WE'RE A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT AUDITING. WE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE, ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL TIME THAT'S AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THE COMMUNITY OR OFFICERS GOING ABOUT THE STREETS. WE WANT TO HELP THOSE ADMINISTRATORS BE ABLE TO FIND THINGS THAT ARE ABNORMAL OR ATYPICAL VERY QUICKLY, AND NOT JUST THROW THE WORD AUDIT AS A BUZZWORD OUT THERE TO SAY, WE'RE FEELING GOOD. THIS IS HOW WE'RE PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, 30 DAY RETENTION LIMIT BY DEFAULT. AGAIN, THAT CAN BE SET PER YOUR POLICY ON WHATEVER THAT WHATEVER THAT DAY FEELS COMFORTABLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY VALUES OFFENSE. WE HAVE A QUESTION UP HERE REAL QUICK. YES, COUNCILOR. VENICE. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS. SO THE 30 DAY DATA RETENTION AND THEN IT'S DELETED. 
          IS IT DELETED DELETED OR IS IT DATA ARCHIVED OFF SOMEWHERE. NO. SO IT IS DELETED. IT IS DELETED. 
          IT'S HARD DELETED AND SANITIZED. I LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY HARD DELETED AND SANITIZED BECAUSE WHAT THE SANITATION PROCESS ACTUALLY DOES AS WELL IS IT REMOVES ANY AGENCY IDENTIFIER SPECIFIC TO YOUR AGENCY. SO THE TIME, THE LOCATION, ALL OF THAT IS REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN AGENCY DATA, ANY METADATA IS DELETED. YES, MA'AM. AND WE HAVE THE AWS GOV CLOUD CERTIFICATION TO, TO THOROUGHLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THERE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL. SO I KNOW A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS, I THINK THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND KIND OF PUBLICIZED IN ARTICLES SOUND LIKE EITHER LACK OF LOCAL POLICY OR PEOPLE IGNORING WHATEVER POLICY THEY ESTABLISH TO GO IN AND DO THESE SEARCHES, THE STALKING AND POLICE OFFICERS SEARCHING ON PEOPLE. SO YOU MENTIONED AS AN EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE'S DOING AN INORDINATE NUMBER OF SEARCHES ON A LICENSE PLATE, YOU HAVE A TOOL THAT'S GOING TO PROACTIVELY FLAG THAT FOR THAT ADMINISTRATOR AT THAT PD. BUT COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT SOME MORE? ARE YOU GUYS PROACTIVELY LOOKING OR ESTABLISHING RULES, IF YOU WILL, OR USING AI TO HELP IDENTIFY MISUSE OF THE DATA? YES, MA'AM. SO ANY, LIKE I SAID, ANYTHING ATYPICAL NUMBER OF SEARCHES. MAYBE I'M SEARCHING THE SAME LICENSE PLATE OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. ALL OF THAT WILL BE FLAGGED. NOW EARLIER I MENTIONED LOCAL CONTROL. RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE'RE AS THE ENTITY, WE'RE NOT POLICING THE POLICE. WE'RE ALLOWING THE MEASURES TO BE CAUGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, WHETHER IT'S YOU ALL, WHETHER IT'S INTERNAL ADMINISTRATORS TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT. BUT WHAT WE ALLOW IS, AGAIN, THAT TO BE FLAGGED IN THE SYSTEM. SO WHETHER THAT'S BEING SHOWCASED IN A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, BECAUSE THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WE ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO BE RELEASED OR, YOU KNOW, HAVING TRUST IN YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THERE, THEY ARE VERIFYING THOSE AUDIT POLICIES, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE DOING QUARTERLY, WHETHER IT'S DOING SEMIANNUALLY ANNUALLY. AGAIN, WE ALLOW FOR YOU TO SET THOSE PARAMETERS, NOT US. BUT I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS IF YOU'RE FLAGGING IT KIND OF IN REAL TIME OR NEAR REAL TIME, IF YOU'RE SEEING ANOMALOUS ACTIVITY, IT WOULD BE FLAGGED TO WHOEVER THE ADMINISTRATOR IS FOR THAT PD FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND LOOK INTO. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. AND THEN ALSO, THAT MAKES ME THAT MAKES ME THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S JUST OPEN UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. ANOTHER, ANOTHER PRIVACY OR ANOTHER SAFEGUARD THAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM IS ROLE BASED PERMISSIONS. SO NOT EVEN EVERYBODY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. THE AGENCY CAN SET. WHO HAS THOSE ROLE BASED PERMISSIONS? FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WHERE THE CHIEF DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS. WHY? BECAUSE THE CHIEF IS NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATION 
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INVESTIGATIONS THAT DETECTIVES AS WELL. AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THE LAYERED APPROACH. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UTILIZING THE SYSTEM ARE UTILIZING THE SYSTEM EFFECTIVELY. AND IF THERE ARE ANY, ARE IF THERE ARE ANY BAD ACTORS OR NEFARIOUS ACTORS, WHICH EVERY ENTITY HAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BEEN, AGAIN, A LOT OF BUZZWORDS AND NARRATIVE AROUND POLICE OFFICERS, BUT I THINK THERE'S NEFARIOUS AND BAD ACTORS IN ANY PROFESSION. WE ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE FLAGGED IN THE SYSTEM, TO BE REVIEWED IMMEDIATELY. AND SO AND SO TO THAT POINT, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO MY EARLIER STATEMENT OF IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN TELL ME ANOTHER TOOL THAT THAT IS AS TRANSPARENT AS FLOCK LPR, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK US BEING OR OUR TECHNOLOGY BEING IN THE NEWS IS A BAD THING. NO, IT'S IN THE NEWS BECAUSE WE ARE OUR SYSTEM IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO AND FLAGGING THOSE NEFARIOUS ACTORS. WHAT THE REAL CONCERN SHOULD BE IS WHEN NOTHING, NOTHING IS BEING SURFACED OR NOTHING CAN BE SEEN. SO WE TAKE PRIDE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE PRIDE. 
          WE DON'T WE DON'T LIKE ANY ABUSE BEING DONE OF OUR TECHNOLOGY. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GLAD THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO RESPONSIBLY CATCH THAT. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. JUST QUICKLY AND JUST JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE. NO PROBLEM. AMANDA, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE UP YOUR BOOK? THIS WAS OUR READING THIS WEEK, EVERYONE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LAY THE GROUND ON THIS, SO FORGIVE ME. I RECEIVED ADDITIONAL READING, WHICH I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE IT, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE THE CLOUD TRAIL LOGS AND THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE DATA. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT. I DID A BRIEF SCAN OF IT. AND IN REGARD TO THE DELETION, HOW HOW THINGS ARE DELETED THROUGH AWS. AND SO AFTER 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER OUR COMMUNITY OR HOWEVER WE STIPULATE THAT IT IS DELETED. 
          HOWEVER, I DID HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WE DO SHARE WITH 47 OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE CLOSE BY IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE, AS WE STATED. NOW, IF THEY CAPTURE THE DATA, UTILIZE THE DATA OR WHATEVER IT IS. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT POTENTIALLY, IF IT IS AN ACTION THAT IS NEEDED FOR PROSECUTION, THAT THAT DATA THEN REMAINS LIVE. IS THAT CORRECT? IF I GOT THAT, AND THEN ON CONVERSELY, IF IT IS NOT NEEDED, THEY'VE ACCESSED THE DATA OF. ME GOING TO DAVE'S TACOS THIS MORNING. BY THE WAY, THEY WERE VERY GOOD. AND WOULD THAT BE DELETED ACROSS ALL PORTIONS THAT HAD ACCESS THAT. YES, MA'AM. SO GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. AND I'LL TRY AND BE AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE WITH THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF NUANCE IN THE ANSWER WITHIN THE FLOCK SYSTEM. IT IS DELETED, HARD DELETED AND SANITIZED. NOW, IF AN AGENCY WANTED TO DOWNLOAD THAT INFORMATION, WHICH WOULD TAKE A LOT OF LOT OF STORAGE, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE GETTING THE, THE, THE, THE BACK OF THE LICENSE PLATE, NO PERSONAL IDENTIFIERS. 
          THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO. SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO OR LOG CAN DO FOR THAT. IN THE SAME WAY, IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE AN INVESTIGATION AND NEED THAT IMAGE PAST 30 DAYS, THEY COULD DOWNLOAD IT TO THEIR MONITORS. NOW AGAIN, IF THAT'S IN REPETITION, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF STORAGE IN AND OF ITSELF BECAUSE THOSE ARE LARGE FILES, LARGE FILES IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT THERE ONCE, ONCE IT'S, IT'S I'LL JUST BEING TRANSPARENT ONCE IT'S ACCESSED, YES, THEY CAN BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD IT IF THEY WANT TO. NOW HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN GET GRANULAR CONTROL THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE TO THE SYSTEM. YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT OTHER AGENCY EVEN SEARCHES YOUR SYSTEM FOR. IF YOU ONLY WANT AN AGENCY TO SEARCH YOUR SYSTEM FOR VEHICLES RELATED TO MURDER AND CHILD TRAFFICKING, YOU HAVE, THE AGENCY HAS THE PARAMETERS TO EVEN SET THAT TO WHERE THEY CAN'T. IF I'M DOING A VAGUE. MAYBE I'M LOOKING FOR AN ASSAULT, RIGHT? I. YOU CAN SET THE PARAMETERS TO WHERE THAT AGENCY CAN'T EVEN SEARCH YOUR SYSTEM FOR ASSAULT. I'M ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU 5 TO 10 NIBRS CODES WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH THAT SYSTEM. AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING DONE IN THE SYSTEM IS AUDITABLE AND IMMUTABLE. WHAT DO I MEAN BY IMMUTABLE? YOU CAN'T DELETE IT, SO YOU WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHEN ANOTHER AGENCY ACCESSED YOUR DATA AND WHAT, WHO ACCESS THEIR DATA AND WHAT TIME THEY GOT THEIR DATA. ALSO, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO NOTE WITH THE SHARING, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE MISINTERPRET WHEN THEY SEE THE NETWORK AUDITS OR ORGANIZATIONAL AUDITS. WHEN YOU RUN A SEARCH. SO SAY LEANDER OR CEDAR PARK OR GEORGETOWN, WHOEVER YOU SHARE WITH RUNS A SEARCH. IF THAT VEHICLE WAS NOT IN THE JURISDICTION OF LAGO VISTA OR WAS NOT PICKED UP TO THE CAMERAS, THEY DON'T RECEIVE ANYTHING BACK. SO YOU WILL SEE THE SEARCH RAMP, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GETTING DATA FROM YOU. DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SEARCH. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AGENCY ACTUALLY RECEIVING DATA BACK. AND AGAIN YOU CAN SET THOSE PARAMETERS ON WHAT TYPE OF SEARCHES THEY WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT WITHIN THE SYSTEM. AND SO ON. THIS ON THIS SLIDE HERE I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE OF IT. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THE OFFENSE TYPE SEARCH REASON AND CASE NUMBER. AND I THINK THE THE SEARCH REASON IS THE IS THE BUBBLE BELOW. THE NIBRS CODES ARE KIND OF IN THE 
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WAY, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF AN INVESTIGATOR USING THIS SYSTEM. YOU CAN SEE IN THERE TO THE RIGHT. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF SMALL FOR SOME PEOPLE. THERE'S A SEARCH REASON. 
          THERE'S AN OFFENSE TYPE. THERE'S A. SEARCH REASON. AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO ENTER THIS IN BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN CONDUCT A SEARCH OF THE SYSTEM. OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PULLED IN THE SYSTEM BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ON WHAT THE SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY DOING. LOCATION TIME. AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS IMAGE HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE I CAN PUT IN A PERSONAL IDENTIFIER TO TRACK A PERSON. I CANNOT USE THE SYSTEM TO TRACK IAN LESLIE AND FIGURE OUT IF HE WENT TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY. THAT SYSTEM CAN'T BE UTILIZED FOR IT. YOU CANNOT SEARCH PERSONAL IDENTIFIERS IN THE SYSTEM NOW. NOW HERE'S A STEP FURTHER OF ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS IF YOU WERE TO TYPE IN AGAIN, I'M A BLACK MALE. IF I WERE TO TYPE IN BLACK MALE IN THE SYSTEM, THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO BE BLOCKED AND FLAGGED TO THAT ADMINISTRATOR AUTOMATICALLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL FEATURES AND TOOLS IN THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEARCH THE SYSTEM FOR IT. SO THAT COMBATS THE COMBATS. THE NOTION OF THE SYSTEM IS USED TO TRACK VEHICLES INSTEAD OF PEOPLE. ONE OTHER REAL QUICK QUESTION. YES. I'LL LET YOU PROCEED. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE ROLE BASED PERMISSIONS IS MULTI FACTOR AUTHENTICATION. YES, MA'AM. IS THAT AUTOMATIC WITH THOSE ROLE BASED. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I PROCEED? PERFECT. MAYOR. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY. SO EARLIER YOU SAID THAT IN ADDITION TO CAPTURING LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION AND THE SYSTEM IS ALSO CAPABLE OF CAPTURING MAKE MODEL IDENTIFYING FEATURES OF VEHICLES. SO IF I WANT TO PERFORM A SEARCH AND I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, CAN I PUT IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BLACK CHEVY SILVERADO. YES. AND IT'LL TURN UP ANY BLACK CHEVY SILVERADO OR WHAT IF I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CHEVY, JUST SAY BLACK. YOU KNOW, IF A BLACK HALF TON TRUCK. YEP. SO YOU CAN BE ABLE TO SEARCH THAT NOW THAT NOW THAT GOES DOWN TO CONFIDENCE LEVEL. SO WHEN YOU RUN A SEARCH IN THE SYSTEM, IT WILL GIVE YOU A CONFIDENCE LEVEL OF THE MATCH OF WHATEVER YOU TYPED IN. RIGHT. WHICH I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I FORGOT A POINT. SO YES, YOU CAN TYPE IN THOSE ADDITIONAL IDENTIFIERS AGAIN IN CASE A LICENSE PLATE IS REMOVED. 
          IT SWAPPED AGAIN. HOW CAN I ACCURATELY ENSURE IF IT'S A BLACK HONDA CHEVY, IF THERE'S 20 BLACK HONDA CHEVYS, HOW DO I KNOW WHICH ONE WHICH LEADS DID I, DID I ANSWER THAT? YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. BUT THE SEARCH CAPABILITIES, IF SO. SO LICENSE PLATES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM SEARCHES. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED REQUIRED. BUT I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD BASIS. 
          BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN WHICH A LICENSE PLATE IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN A, IN A IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS I ACTUALLY GOING WITH THAT? I'LL COME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ON A LATER SLIDE. ACTUALLY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT TIMING. 
          HOW MUCH MORE OF YOUR PRESENTATION DO YOU. I GOT ABOUT I CAN FOLLOW THROUGH ABOUT TEN MINUTES. OKAY, OKAY. I CAN DO IT IN FIVE IF YOU WANT ME TO. I'M JUST JUST REAL QUICK. 
          YOU MENTIONED ABOUT IF SOMEONE DOWNLOADS DATA, IT'S A LOT OF DATA. SO YOU KNOW THAT CONVERSELY, THAT ALSO MEANS IF WE ARE CAPTURING DATA OURSELVES IN REGARD TO CRIMES OR WHATEVER, THINGS LIKE THAT, IF IT'S JUST IMAGES, I DON'T IS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DATA CAPTURED SOMEWHERE, THAT IT WOULD BE ENORMOUS TO DOWNLOAD AS FAR AS THE FILE ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING THE FILE TO YOUR COMPUTER, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF YOUR STORAGE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE DATA IN THE CLOUD, LIKE THE 1 MILLION HITS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? IS THE FILE, THE WHAT WAS THE FIRST PART YOU SAID? I'M SORRY. OH, I MENTIONED ABOUT A ONE 1 MILLION CAPTURES OF, YOU KNOW. OH YEAH. SO YEAH, SO ONE THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE SPACE IN ANY MONITORS TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY WITH AWS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS HOUSED. AND OBVIOUSLY THE DATA SECURITY HOUSED INTO THAT AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. QUESTION. BEFORE WE GET FURTHER INTO THIS. SOME INFORMATION WAS SENT TO ME AND MADE ME DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT HERE. SO I'M SORRY. SO I'LL GET ON RECORD FOR SAYING THIS FLOCK IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REPRESENTATIVE OF FLOCK SAYING THAT, THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          BUT YET FLOCK ITSELF HAS FAILED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH STATE LAW AS WELL. WHEN WHEN I REFER TO THAT, I MEAN, BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, Y'ALL WERE SERVED A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER BY THE ACTUAL DPS FOR FAILURE TO HAVE A LICENSE FOR SECURITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          YOU'VE HAD THIS ISSUE AGAIN HERE IN MARCH OF 2026 AND STILL HAVE A OPEN APPLICATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET. CAN YOU FURTHER EXPAND UPON THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE WAS THERE WAS TURNOVER INTERNALLY WITH THE HEAD OF WHO, WHO DOES OUR PERMITTING, THE PERMITTING WITH TEX DOT PERMITTING, WITH TPS PERMITTING WITH ANY ENTITY IS VERY GRANULAR AND THOROUGH PROCESS. SO YOU AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE TO GO INTO THAT. I CAN DEFINITELY 
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SEND YOU A FORMAL STATEMENT ON THAT, BUT IT'S THE MAGNITUDE OF ONE. WE HAD AN INTERNAL TURNOVER THAT WAS ON OUR END. WE. WE DEFINITELY RELEASED A STATEMENT ADJUSTING TO THAT. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO, INTO PERMITTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THERE. 
          I WOULD THINK A ENTITY OF YOUR MAGNITUDE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE MAINTAINING PERMITS TO FUNCTION AND DO YOUR JOB WITHIN THE STATE THAT THEY'RE ACTIVELY DOING. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A A VALID ARGUMENT, IN MY OPINION. WELL, DULY NOTED. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BY STATE, BY STATE AND EVEN BY CITY BY CITY, THERE'S DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY DO A BETTER JOB OF FACILITATING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS THAT IS REPUTABLE. BUT I DON'T, I, YEAH, I'LL JUST, I CAN PROVIDE A FOLLOW UP STATEMENT TO YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. GOING INTO THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, I'LL KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THIS BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN WE'VE SEEN IT. AGAIN, YOUR TRANSPARENCY PORTAL ALLOWS FOR YOU TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE TO YOUR COMMUNITY, SHOWING WHO YOU'RE SHARING WITH HOW MANY CAMERAS YOU HAVE, WHAT HOTLIST YOU'RE OPTED INTO. IT'LL EXPLICITLY STATE WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY DOES AND DOES NOT DO. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WHATEVER YOUR PROHIBITED PROHIBITED SEARCHES ARE, YOUR YOUR POLICY. AGAIN, WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRANSPARENCY PORTAL IS IS GRANULAR AND DETAILED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR AGENCY IS EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATING THE SYSTEMS, THE GUARDRAILS, AND THE POLICY THAT IS BEHIND THOSE TECHNOLOGIES RIGHT HERE. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF SMALL. I WONDER IF THE VIDEO IS GOING TO PLAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO OKAY, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. I'LL DEFINITELY SEND THIS TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO SEND THIS VIDEO AROUND BECAUSE MUCH LIKE THE STILL SCREENSHOT I SENT FOR YOU, THIS ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF USING THE SYSTEM IN REAL TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF PARAMETERS NEED TO BE TYPED INTO THE SYSTEM TO DO A SEARCH. AND THEN THOSE GUARDRAILS AND SAFEGUARDS KIND OF RUNNING IN TIME, IN REAL TIME, QUICKLY GOING THROUGH SOME MYTHS VERSUS FACTS. AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION TURNING TO DISINFORMATION AROUND THERE. ONE BEING LPR CAN TRACK PEOPLE AND SHOW POLICE EVERYWHERE THEY GO. AGAIN, AN LPR CAPTURES DOES NOT CAPTURE PERSONAL, IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION AND CAPTURES A LICENSE PLATE IN THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY. 
          YOUR YOUR YOUR, YOUR LICENSE PLATE IS A GOVERNMENT ISSUED DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY YOUR YOUR VEHICLE ON THE ROADWAYS AND AND LPR CAMERA DOES NOT TRACK THE WHOLE OF THE, THE, THE WHOLE OF YOUR MOVEMENTS. THE EXAMPLE GIVEN UP HERE EARLIER TODAY WAS WHAT AT 10 A.M. I'M PASSING I'M GOING TO TO CVS EVERY SINGLE DAY. CVS IS NEXT TO PLENTY OF OTHER STORES, OTHER ENTITIES. SO YOU COULD BE GOING ANY WHICH WAY. IT'S NOT PRECISE LOCATION TRACKING LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT LPR IS VIOLATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. THERE HAS BEEN ALMOST 50 CASES OF THIS THAT NUMEROUSLY ARTICULATE THE SAME THING, WHICH IS THE ILLEGALITY OF THE USE OF LPR. BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT THE LPR IS CAPTURING. AND I HAVE SOME OF THOSE CASES IN A LATER SLIDE. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT WE SELL YOUR DATA, AND WE'RE COMPILING IT ALL INTO A NATIONAL DATABASE. THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOU GUYS 100% OWN YOUR DATA AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT. YOU GUYS MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          AND WE AGAIN, DO NOT SELL DATA. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE WHICH CAME OUT CAME UP EARLIER TODAY IS THAT FLOCKS PRIVATE CUSTOMERS AGAIN THINK LOWE'S HOME DEPOT AND HOA HAS ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THAT SHARING RELATIONSHIP IS NOT IS NOT THE SAME AS IF YOU WERE SHARING WITH A LOCAL PD. THEY DIDN'T. THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT LPR CAMERAS USE FACIAL RECOGNITION AND CAPTURE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. THEY DO NOT. FULL STOP. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE AGAIN, IS THAT LPR IS COLLECT PRIVATE INFORMATION. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I JUST ARTICULATED IN THE LAST ONE. AGAIN, WE DO NOT TAKE IMAGES OF PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. YOU CANNOT UTILIZE THE SYSTEM TO SEARCH FOR A PERSON. OR BUILD A PERSONAL PROFILE. ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT LPR CAMERAS NEGATIVELY IMPACT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE NAACP, NAACP IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, WHO, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT STATEMENT THERE, SAYS THESE CAMERAS ARE DESIGNED TO DETECT ONLY VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH CRIME, REMOVING THE SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT THAT OFTEN TWO LEADS TO DISPROPORTIONATE STOPS AND HARMFUL INTERACTIONS WITH BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS. IF LPR IS ALLOWED FOR POLICE TO BE CHANGED FROM SUBJECTIVE TO OBJECTIVE. AND THEN THE LAST MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT LPR DON'T HAVE AN IMPACT IN CRIME. WE'VE SEEN AN OVERWHELMING NUMEROUS CASES OF CRIME NOT ONLY GOING DOWN BUT BEING DETERRED. SO I HAVE SOME FACTS HERE FROM SAN DIEGO AND SAN FRANCISCO AS WELL, MARKING THE DECREASE OF AUTO THEFT AND ARREST AS WELL, AND HOMICIDES AS WELL. AND THEN, LIKE I ARTICULATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION AS A 2025, WE WERE INVOLVED IN A MILLION INVESTIGATIONS, SOLVING ABOUT 20% OF CRIME IN 6000 COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT DONE BY ACCIDENT. IN ADDITION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS, WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS 
          [02:05:01]
WITH THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN AND MOTHERS OF AGAINST MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING AGAIN, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN ACRONYM NIC HEAVILY UTILIZES OUR TECHNOLOGY. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT SEND OUT AMBER ALERTS TO FIND MISSING CHILDREN. AGAIN, THAT JUST HAPPENED HERE AT HOME. AND MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING HEAVILY UTILIZES OUR CRASHES FOR HIT AND RUNS, WHICH ARE HEAVILY INCREASING. AGAIN HERE. 
          THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STATEMENT WHEN A LOT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF MY ROLE WHEN TALKING WITH MUNICIPAL LEADERS IS, AGAIN, IS ENGAGING THESE TYPES OF CIVIC AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO NOT ONLY FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR PRODUCTS AND SERVICES MUCH BETTER, BUT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE CIVIL LIBERTIES AND PRIVACY CONCERNS THAT WERE NOTED HERE TODAY. 
          THESE TWO SLIDES HERE GO OVER WHAT IS ENABLED OUT IN YOUR CONTRACT. AGAIN, IT IS LABELED OUT IN SECTION 4.1 THROUGH 4.3 THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR DATA. AND THAT FLOCK DOES NOT SELL OR HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR DATA. AND THERE ARE WHAT WE HAVE IS A PERPETUAL LICENSE. SO WHAT THIS MEANS, AND TO CLARIFY POINT BLANK AS THE VENDOR, AS THE TECHNOLOGICAL VENDOR, SAME THING AS IT HELP DESK. IF YOU GUYS NEEDED US TO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, ACCESS YOUR DATA, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PERMISSION TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO FIX WHATEVER THAT ISSUE COULD BE. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY OR SOME MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHO OWNS THE DATA, WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT. AGAIN, THIS IS OUTLINED AND WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY AND LEGALLY OBLIGATED. AND AGAIN, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR DATA. AND AGAIN, IT IS DELETED BY DEFAULT AFTER 30 DAYS. GOING INTO SOME RECENT COURT CASES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND THAT THE GENTLEMAN REACHED EARLIER, AGAIN, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF, AGAIN, ALMOST 50 CASE LAW RANGING FROM 2013 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CHATTAHOOCHEE CASE, IRONICALLY, AND THE GENTLEMAN'S PRESENTATION. HE DID NOT MENTION THAT THE CASE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED SELF. THE GOOGLE'S ACCESS TO YOUR CELL PHONE DATA, WHICH AGAIN IS CELL PHONE TRACKING, WHICH HAS THOSE PRECISE, INTIMATE DETAILS. 
          AGAIN, IRONICALLY, THAT WASN'T IN THE STATEMENT THAT WAS THERE, BUT ALL OF THE COURTS ARE UNIFORM IN THAT LPR SUPPORT THE LEGALITY OF LPR. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT LAST SLIDE ISN'T SHOWING. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF THE RECENT CASES. AGAIN, ARTICULATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT AS I COME TO THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION, I WANT TO REMEMBER AND GROUND US BACK IN THE REAL LIFE IMPACT THAT WE ARE HAVING ON COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN SOLVING CRIMES THAT HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY, ALMOST 2500 CRIMES A DAY. AND SO HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES. AGAIN, I WANT TO GROUND US IF THIS IS YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, IF THIS WAS YOUR DAUGHTER, IF THIS WAS YOUR SON, IF THIS WAS YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, YOU WOULD WANT YOUR POLICE AGENCY TO HAVE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE CRIME RIGHT NOW. NOT IN TWO WEEKS, NOT IN A MONTH, NOT TO EVER BE SOLVED EVER AGAIN. AND SO I KNOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I KNOW IN DIFFERENT PUBLIC FORUMS LIKE THIS, WE GET CAUGHT UP IN THE HYPOTHETICALS OF WHAT MIGHT BE. I GUARANTEE YOU, 20 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE CELL PHONES. WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE SELF-DRIVING CARS. WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S NOT SOLELY ABOUT HOW THE ABOUT HYPOTHETICALS. HOW IS THIS TECHNOLOGY BEING RESPONSIBLY DEVELOPED? AND THEN HOW IS IT RESPONSIBLY BEING ADOPTED IN COMMUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING TRANSPARENT AND USED RESPONSIBLY? AND THEN I'LL END WITH THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. 
          WE'RE NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT COMMUNITIES HAVE. THERE IS A THERE IN THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROCUREMENT OF CITIES AND PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT COMMUNITIES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS SUCH AS YOURSELF WANT THIS INFORMATION. 
          AND THAT IS WHY I CAME HERE TODAY IN PERSON TO ANSWER CONCRETELY THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD. AND SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF REACHING OUT TO ME, THIS IS A QR CODE THAT GOES TO WHAT WE CALL OUR FLOCK TRUST HUB, WHICH HAS RESOURCES, BLOGS, NEWS ARTICLES, LANGUAGE THAT CONCRETELY AND SPECIFICALLY ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS REGARDING CIVIL LIBERTIES REGARDING DATA SECURITY, COMPLIANCE, AUDITABILITY, AND OVERSIGHT THAT YOU CAN GO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE FACTUAL INFORMATION TO EFFECTIVELY AND RESPONSIBLY ENGAGE IN THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER? MAYOR PRO TEM PROMISE. I'LL JUST ONE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT FLOCK WAS LOOKING INTO NOVA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO DRONE AS A FIRST RESPONDER. SO NOVA IS A IS A DRONE. SO NOVA NOVA IS A IS A SOFTWARE WHICH YOUR AGENCY DOES NOT HAVE AND IT'S NOT UP TO DRONES IS A DIFFERENT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CALL THE DRONES THERE. OKAY. SORRY, I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO I GOT SOME INFORMATION. I JUST WANTED TO VET THAT OUT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, MA'AM. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST LET ME. I GOT A LOT OF CITIZENS HERE TO SPEAK, AND WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AFTER THEY'RE DONE, TOO. SO, MR. BENNEFIELD. 
          WHAT IS YOUR ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT YOU INDICATED THAT CRIME IS COMMITTED. 
          INFORMATION IS ENTERED INTO THE DATABASE. AND SOMETHING I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IS LIKE DATA 
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ENTRY ERRORS, PEOPLE BEING PULLED OVER, BEING DETAINED, WARRANTLESS ARRESTS THAT WERE THEY NEVER I MEAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. FIRST THING I WILL SAY IS FLOCK IS NOT THE, THE, THE, THE JUDGE OR END ALL BE ALL OF THAT IS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL IN THE ECOSYSTEM THAT YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT USES TO SOLVE CRIME. AND SO LIKE I SAID EARLIER, OUR, OUR CAMERAS SIMPLY JUST INTEGRATE WITH NCIC. YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY ENTERS INTO THAT DATA INTO NCIC TO REPORT THAT CRIME AND THEN IS MATCHED WITH A LICENSE PLATE INTO OUR SYSTEM. NCIC UPDATES THEIR LIST EVERY 12 HOURS. WE TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND UPDATE OURS EVERY SIX TO ENSURE YOU'RE GETTING THAT ACCURACY. BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU GET A FLOCK HIT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE CRIME. THE REASON BEING, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S DRIVING THE VEHICLE. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. OF COURSE, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS MENTIONED, I THINK, EARLIER BY THE ATTORNEY, THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY 47 AGENCIES UTILIZING OUR SYSTEMS OR HAVING ACCESS TO. 
          YES, SIR. IS IS AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM WELL ENOUGH. CAN YOU SET THAT PARAMETER? LET'S SAY ZERO. YES. AND THEN IF JONESTOWN, LEANDER, CEDAR PARK, IF THEY'RE HAVING A VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE, CONTACT THE CHIEF OF POLICE, SAY, HEY, WE HAVE AN ISSUE. WE'RE WANTING TO SEE IF THEY ROLLED THROUGH LAGO VISTA. THESE ARE THE SITUATIONS. AND THEN THEY MAKE A CASE BY CASE, TEMPORARY ACCESS. SO HYPOTHETICALLY. YES. AND AGAIN, WHERE THIS IS WHERE LOCAL CONTROL COMES IN. YOU GUYS, YOUR AGENCY MAKES THOSE PARAMETERS ON WHO YOU SHARE WITH WHETHER THAT'S REGIONAL RADIUS. AGAIN, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. HYPOTHETICALLY, I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES, BUT IN THE SPEED OF SOLVING CRIMES, ESPECIALLY HEINOUS CRIMES, THAT TAKES A LITTLE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A MISSING CHILD OR A MURDER SUSPECT. BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, YES, YOU COULD DO THAT. WE COULD. WE COULD ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE VERY HEINOUS CRIMES. YES. YEAH. THEN IF SOMEBODY SAID, HEY, WE'RE HAVING A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ISSUE, CAN WE HAVE TEMPORARY ACCESS? YES, SIR. THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU MENTIONED AND I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE ABLE TO RESPOND TO CRIME BEFORE THEY OCCUR. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT WORKS? YES. SO IF I 20S OR LESS. YEP. IF I IF I DO A MURDER IN AUSTIN. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT AND THAT MURDER IS REGISTERED IN NCIC, THAT VEHICLE IS REGISTERED. AND I COME TO LAGO VISTA, LAGO VISTA PD IS GOING TO IMMEDIATELY BE NOTIFIED THAT, HEY, I ENTERED THE CAR, SORRY, NOT I. THE CAR ENTERED THE JURISDICTION, AND THEN. CAN YOU JUST OPINE ON THIS LEGISLATION THAT'S COMING BEFORE THE STATE ON ITS PERMISSIBILITY? I MEAN, DOES IT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR A MUNICIPALITY TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS UNTIL WE SEE HOW THE STATE RULES OR. I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M ENGAGED VERY HEAVILY IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND WE BELIEVE THAT OUR TOOLS AND EVERY TOOL SHOULD BE REGULATED. AND THEY ARE ALREADY REGULATED IN STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA AGENCIES CAN'T SHARE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE IN VIRGINIA. AND SO THIS ISN'T A NEW TOPIC. I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON IN A LOT OF THE LEGISLATOR THAT WE'RE GEARING UP TO IS PROVIDING THE INFORMATION, LIKE WE DID HERE TODAY, AND ALLOWING AND EXPLAINING THE PROCESS OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE THOSE POLICIES THAT THAT FIT THEIR COMMUNITY VALUES. YES, SIR. COUNCIL, I JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. SO IF A HOA IS SHARING DATA WITH A MUNICIPAL LIKE A MUNICIPALITY LIKE OURSELVES, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO CONTRACTED WITH A REPOSSESSION COMPANY OR ALSO TOW TRUCK COMPANIES TO HELP CLEAN UP THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEY'RE SHARING INFORMATION WITH PDS OR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. BUT THE PD IS NOT AWARE OF THE HOA AFFILIATION AGREEMENT TO THAT EXTERNAL THIRD PARTY. THAT INFORMATION IS STILL BEING SHARED, IS IT NOT? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FROM A 30,000 FOOT VIEW, YES, ANYTHING IN THAT. BUT ANYTHING DONE IN THE SYSTEM IS CAN BE SEEN THROUGH AN AUDIT LOG. SO HOA'S DO HAVE AUDIT LOGS. SO IT CAN BE VERY EASY FOR THE AGENCY TO SEE THAT, THAT, THAT INFORMATION WAS BEING SHARED WITH THAT ENTITY. AGAIN, WE CAN'T POLICE EVERY SINGLE HOA OR ENTITY. SO WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO WITH THE DATA, MUCH LIKE YOU GUYS IS THEIR DECISION, RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH Y'ALL AREN'T SHARING DATA, YOU'RE ALLOWING YOUR USERS WHO CAN BE CUSTOMERS OR HOA'S OR EVEN SMALL 40, 40 HOME COMMUNITIES LIKE MY HOA AT MY VACATION PROPERTY IN GALVESTON, THEY SHARE DATA WITH THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS, TEXAS DPS. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT THESE SAFEGUARDS AND THESE FAILSAFES THAT YOU SAY HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE ARE, ARE FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT. SO I THINK THAT THESE HOA'S AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SHARING THIS DATA, MAYBE NOT, THEY DON'T REALIZE WHAT THEY'RE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. IT'S, IT'S GETTING PRETTY ROUGH OUT THERE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOA SHARING OUR HOA'S AND JUST COMMUNITIES AND SHARING THAT DATA WITH MUNICIPALITIES. WHEN THE WHEN THE MUNICIPALITY IS NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE WHO IS 
          [02:15:08]
ACTUALLY SHARING TO THE THIRD PARTY, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT GO BOTH WAYS. LIKE YOU SAID, THEY MAY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH WITH LAGO VISTA PD, BUT THEY MAY ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A TOW TRUCK COMPANY, A BANK, A PARKING, YOU KNOW, METER PERSON OUT THERE. SO AND ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE IS YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU KEEP REFERRING TO THIS AS A LICENSE PLATE READER. YOU JUST TOLD US THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE PLATE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A VEHICLE. SO WHY DO YOU KEEP REFERRING IT TO IT AS A LICENSE PLATE READER? I WOULD SAY VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM OR SOMETHING. MAYBE I'LL NEED TO TAKE THAT BACK AND REWORK IT. BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A MISNOMER TO KEEP REFERRING TO IT AS A AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO JUST PUT IN THE MOST BASIC INFORMATION AND GET METADATA, 30,000 HITS ON A ON A BLACK HONDA CIVIC OR A BLACK HONDA THAT'S GOING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A LICENSE PLATE. SO AM I ABLE TO RESPOND? OKAY, SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNCLARITY ON ONE OF THE SHARING PARAMETERS, AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND HOA CAN EXTEND THE NETWORK OF THE LAPD, BUT THEY CANNOT SEARCH THE FLOCK NETWORK LIKE AN LAPD. THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THE DIFFERENCES IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION AND HOA EXPANDING, HAVING A CAMERA ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, IN THE SAME WAY, IF WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO WITH YOUR DATA, WE AS THE VENDOR SHOULD NEVER BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE LIMITING WHATEVER DECISIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WHETHER YOU ARE A MUNICIPALITY OR THE HOA. THIRDLY, I'LL SAY DATA IS A HUGE BUZZWORD, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO USE FOR THE SAKE OF THIS CONVERSATION. I DON'T WANT TO USE DATA AS A FEAR MONGERING TACTIC, AS A BUZZWORD. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LICENSE PLATE, THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. SO IF THAT ENTITY, IF THAT TOW TRUCK ENTITY WANTED TO SIT THERE AND PARK OUTSIDE THAT HOA AND TAKE A PICTURE OF EVERY SINGLE CAR GOT BY OR MONITOR THAT THEY, THEY, THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THEM FROM, FROM DOING THAT. AND SO WHAT I WOULD RESPOND TO, IF YOU HAVE THOSE CONCERNS, I WOULD SPEAK TO YOUR HOA BOARD BECAUSE MUCH LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE FOR HOW YOUR CAMERAS SHOULD BE UTILIZED, YOU CAN GO TO YOUR HOA TO DECIDE ON WHAT POLICY, WHO YOU SHARE WITH, IF YOU EVEN SHARE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF DIALOGS THAT YOU CAN ENGAGE IN FOR SURE. DO YOU HAVE A TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF HERE TODAY, OR WILL YOU BE ABLE TO STICK AROUND? I'M HERE FOR YOU GUYS. OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I'M GUESSING THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS AFTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST AS A REMINDER FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY YOUR ADDRESS. ONE THING I'LL SAY IS I'M GOING TO BE VERY STRICT ABOUT THE THREE MINUTES, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T CARE, YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK. AM I ASK IS IF YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY, TO NOT SAY SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REPEATED AND THAT'LL HELP US MOVE A LITTLE QUICKER. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE VIRGIL ROGERS. HERE. MR. BENNEFIELD, I KNOW YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE VERY STRICT ON THE THREE MINUTES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD GRANT VIRGIL A LITTLE LATITUDE ON HIS TIME, CONSIDERING HIS EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND AND EXPERTISE IN THIS. AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN THE ONE THAT'S BEEN BRINGING THIS FORWARD. AND I FEEL LIKE IF HE WANTS FIVE MINUTES, WE MIGHT GRANT HIM THAT FIVE MINUTES. I WON'T NEED FIVE MINUTES. PERFECT. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE TO SPEAK. 
          EVERYBODY'S ALREADY HEARD WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO A SHORT THANK YOU COUNCIL AND FOR HAVING ME HERE. AND ATTORNEY CHIEF, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE. FOURTH AMENDMENT, WE WERE ALL SWORN IN TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION, AM I RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE FOR SURE. SO FOURTH AMENDMENT, WE'RE NOT PROTECTING THAT ANYMORE. WE JUST THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW. EVER SINCE NINE OVER 11, THE PATRIOT ACT JUST LET IT GO. NAH. 
          I'M DONE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE MR. GENE HARRIS. MAYOR. DID YOU HAPPEN TO PRINT? OUT WHAT? BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET MY COMPUTER TO PRINT. IT'S ON MY CELL PHONE, BUT IT'S REALLY SMALL. THE MIC IS OFF. TURN THE MIC ON, PLEASE. YEAH. WHO KEEPS? WELL, IT'S. 
          IT'S ON. IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN'T HEAR ANY OF THE GREEN LIGHTS ON. HELLO? I GOTTA GET IT. TURN THE VOLUME UP. SOMETHING. I'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT UP. I'LL GET IT UP HERE WHERE MY MOUTH IS. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH. THERE WAS A QUOTE BY BENJAMIN FRANKLIN TO THE EFFECT OF IF SOMEONE'S WILLING TO TRADE THEIR SAFETY AND SECURITY OR THEIR FREEDOM FOR A GREATER SENSE OF SAFETY AND SECURITY, THEY DESERVE NEITHER ONE. NOW, TO BE HONEST, 
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BE FAIR. HE SAID THAT IN RELATION TO A TAXATION QUESTION. BUT THAT QUOTE FITS THIS CONVERSATION PERFECTLY IN MY OPINION. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF STUFF TODAY ON BOTH SIDES, AND I ACTUALLY POSTED THESE REMARKS ON THE COMMUNITY PAGE JUST JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. AND I GOT A VARIETY OF SOME POSITIVE, SOME NEGATIVE AND DIFFERENT LITTLE COMMENTS. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS FOR THIS IS IF YOU'RE INNOCENT, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING SURVEILLED. WELL, MY PUSHBACK TO THAT IS I SHOULDN'T BE SURVEILLED IF I'M INNOCENT. NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY ON A PUBLIC ROAD. OKAY. SINCE THE PATRIOT ACT. BUT EVEN LONG BEFORE THAT, THERE'S BEEN A CONSTANT ATTACK, A CONSTANT CHIPPING AWAY ON OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. ONCE AGAIN, THEY'RE TRADING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOR A PERCEIVED GREATER SENSE OF SAFETY. IN MY OPINION, IT'S THE GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE FROG IN THE KETTLE. WE'RE SLOWLY BEING BOILED OUT OF OUR FREEDOMS, OR THEY'RE BEING BOILED OUT OF US. ONE OF THE LOGOS OR THE LOGO FOR THE FLOC PRESENTATION SHAPE A SAFER FUTURE. AND MY QUESTION IS, AT WHAT COST? THE BOTTOM LINE THIS SYSTEM HAS ALREADY BEEN ABUSED, SO IT'S NOT SAFE RIGHT NOW. IT'S AUTO DELETE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ALL THESE SAFEGUARDS, BUT ALL IT TAKES IS MAYBE JUST ONE ELECTION CYCLE AND ALL OF THAT CHANGES. WE SAW THAT HAPPEN WITH OUR BORDER. I'M NOT WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS. AND I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TO KEEP IT OUT OF LAGO VISTA. DON'T. DON'T DO IT. IT TAKES EVERY CITIZEN, IN MY OPINION, TO STAND UP AND RESIST OUR GOVERNMENT. IF THEY'RE SURVEILLING US OR CHIPPING AWAY AT OUR RIGHTS IN ANY OTHER WAY. YEAH, THERE'S SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF THESE OF THESE CAMERAS BEING USED TO SOLVE CRIMES. BUT I SEE IN MY BRAIN A FUTURE THAT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN, WHERE THIS TECHNOLOGY IS NOW TURNED ON US, AGAINST US, AND USED AGAINST US. AND IT'S REAL SIMPLE. YOU JUST FLIP A FEW SWITCHES AND ALL THE AUTO DELETE AND ALL THESE GUARDRAILS, THEY CAN GO AWAY. IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. THE ATF WASN'T SUPPOSED TO KEEP A REGISTRATION OF EVERY SINGLE FIREARM OWNER EITHER. BUT GUESS WHAT THEY DID? THEY LIED. THE GOVERNMENT HAS PROVEN TO BE UNRELIABLE IN THAT REGARD. A NICE WAY TO SAY THE GOVERNMENT OFTEN LIES. I DON'T TRUST A VENDOR TO DO THE RIGHT THING IF THERE'S MONEY INVOLVED. NOW, ALL THAT SAID, I'M. I WAS A POLICE OFFICER, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT AGENCY, EVERY SINGLE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS UNRELIABLE AND CORRUPT. I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. BUT I WORKED WITH SOME OFFICERS WHO GOT ARRESTED FOR STUFF, AND SOME OF IT WAS ABUSING THE NCIC LICENSE PLATES. 
          APPRECIATE THE NEXT THREE PEOPLE I'M GOING TO CALL UP ARE EBS, GUSTAVO AND DARCY. EBS YOU HAVE TIME DONATED FROM DALE GILL. WHAT HAPPENED? IT SAID DONATING TIME TO EBS. NO, NO, SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE NEXT THREE PEOPLE TO BE CALLED SO YOU CAN PREPARE YOURSELVES. EBS IS THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN YOU TWO, GUSTAVO AND DARCY SHOULD BE PREPARED AFTERWARDS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT IN PUBLIC PERCEPTION, IT SEEMS THAT LAGO VISTA MAY BE ACCUSTOMED TO CREATING LOCAL OUTRAGE THROUGH ROUTINE MISTAKES, EXCUSES, AND HOPING THAT THINGS BECOME BURIED AND AGENDA PACKETS AND MINUTES. BUT THIS TIME, THE CITY HAS STUMBLED INTO SOMETHING MUCH LARGER THAN ITSELF. THIS IS NOT A HANDFUL OF ANGRY RESIDENTS. THIS IS THE FIGHT OVER FLOCK. SURVEILLANCE IS DRAWING NATIONAL ATTENTION BECAUSE PEOPLE ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE. GOVERNMENT OVERREACH IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT WING ISSUE, AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS DO NOT BECOME LESS IMPORTANT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY IS CONVENIENT. THE PEOPLE STANDING UP TONIGHT ARE NOT HARDENED CRIMINALS TRYING TO DISAPPEAR FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THESE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP DO THEIR RESEARCH, ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, AND GIVE THEIR TIME TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY BETTER. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE JOY KNOWS. AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPENT YEARS PROVING THAT THEY CARE ABOUT LAGO VISTA. 
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SO LET US PUT TO REST THE LAZY ARGUMENT THAT ANYONE WHO OPPOSES FLOCK MUST BE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. IT'S NOT A PRINCIPLE OF A FREE COUNTRY. IT IS THE LANGUAGE GOVERNMENTS USE WHEN THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SURRENDER THEIR RIGHTS. WITHOUT QUESTION, THESE RIGHTS ARE NOT HANDED TO US BY THIS COUNCIL OR BY THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR BY SOME PRIVATE TECHNOLOGY COMPANY. INNOCENCE IS NOT CONSENT. 
          RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED BY FACTS, RECORDS AND THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO VERIFY WHAT GOVERNMENT IS TELLING US. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL HAVE MET PRIVATELY WITH CHIEF JOY AND WALKED AWAY BELIEVING THAT THEY RECEIVED THE FULL TRUTH, NOT SIMPLY A POLISHED REASSURANCE PACKAGE DESIGNED TO MAKE FLOCK SOUND HARMLESS. BUT CONFIDENCE IS NOT VERIFICATION. CHIEF JOY BECAME POLICE CHIEF IN EARLY MARCH. AT THE JULY 2ND MEETING. HE SAID HE HAD CONDUCTED THREE AUDITS SINCE TAKING OFFICE AND THAT ONE OF THOSE AUDITS WERE PERFORMED THAT VERY DAY. THAT MEANS THAT DURING 112 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING, ONLY TWO AUDITS HAD BEEN CONDUCTED. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF ONE AUDIT EVERY 56 DAYS. YET LATER, THE PUBLIC WAS TOLD THAT THESE REVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED EVERY 30 DAYS. THOSE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME. MAYBE THAT WAS MEANT AS A PROMISE ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN GOING FORWARD, BUT IT CANNOT HONESTLY BE USED AS PROOF THAT A REGULAR 30 DAY OVERSIGHT HAD ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING. AND THAT BRINGS ME TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TRY TO OBTAIN THE DATA THAT THESE RECORDS WOULD ALLOW US TO VERIFY THOSE ASSURANCES OURSELVES. JULY 16TH AND RR WAS SUBMITTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT READ. PURSUANT TO APPLICABLE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, I REQUEST AGENCIES FLOCK SAFETY AUDIT NETWORK FOR THE LAST, MOST RECENT 30 DAY PERIOD, INCLUDING RECORDS OF SEARCHES. 
          PLEASE PROVIDE THE DATA IN ITS ORIGINAL ELECTRONIC FORMAT AND THEN I SPECIFIED CSV OR XLS X RETAIN ALL AVAILABLE FIELDS INCLUDING ORGANIZATION NAMES, DATES, SEARCHES, REASONS, CAMERA ACCOUNTS, USER ID, AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION. IF ANY COLUMNS MUST BE REDACTED, PLEASE INDICATE WHICH COLUMNS HAVE TO BE WITHHELD. NINE BUSINESS DAYS LATER, WE RECEIVED A LINK TO THE LVPD WEBSITE THAT WAS, I SUPPOSE, TO DIRECT US TO THE LICENSE PLATE TRANSPORT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL AND CLOSED THE REQUEST AS THOUGH ALL RECORDS HAD BEEN RELEASED. NOW, I PRINTED OUT THIS PAGE TO SAVE SOME TIME FOR MY SPEECH, BUT PLEASE LOOK IT OVER AND NOTE HOW THIS DOES NOT FILL THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST. IN FACT, IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 47 AGENCIES THAT ALSO HAVE ACCESS. BUT NONETHELESS, THE TRANSPARENCY PAGE CONTAINS ONLY AGGREGATE PROGRAM STATISTICS. IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FORMAT AND IT DOES NOT RETAIN ALL FIELDS, THE REQUEST EXPRESSLY SAID. IF ANY COLUMNS MUST BE REDACTED, PLEASE INDICATE WHICH COLUMNS HAVE BEEN WITHHELD. THE RESPONSE DOES NOT IDENTIFY ANY WITHHELD COLUMNS. EXPLAIN THAT THE CERTAIN FIELDS DO NOT EXIST OR STATE THAT ANY INFORMATION WAS REDACTED. THE WEB PAGE IS A CURATED SUMMARY DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC PRESENTATION, AND APPEARS TO CONFUSE THE TRANSPARENCY DASHBOARD WITH THE UNDERLYING GOVERNMENT RECORD, WHICH IS SOMEHOW THE LEAST TRANSPARENT TRANSPARENCY THE CITY HAS HAD TO PUSH OFF. IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM THAT YOU CAN BE TRUSTED BY RESIDENTS, THAT YOU MUST ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH TRUSTWORTHY ACTIONS, THEN THERE IS THE INFAMOUS MULTI-PAGE, OR THAT I READ INTO THE RECORD AND SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ON JULY 2ND. NOW, I'M NOT SHOCKED THAT THE CITY TRIED THEIR BEST TO AVOID THIS RECORD AND SUBMIT IT TO A LETTER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT I AM SHOCKED AT JUST HOW WELL THE CITY CAN GET CAUGHT IN THEIR OWN WEB. DURING THE JULY 2ND PRESENTATION, WE WERE ASSURED AS A COUNCIL AND AS CITIZENS, THAT THE FLOCK SAFETY CAMERA WAS ONE THAT COULD BE TRUSTED AND ASSURED. MOST OF OUR WORRIES WERE SIMPLY JUST MISINFORMATION THAT WAS FLOATING AROUND ON THE INTERNET. NOW, I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF AND ONLY READ A FEW EXCERPTS. THE LETTER READ THAT INFORMATION, IF RELEASED, WOULD PERMIT PRIVATE CITIZENS TO ANTICIPATE WEAKNESSES IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AVOID DETECTION, JEOPARDIZE OFFICER SAFETY, AND GENERALLY UNDERMINE POLICE EFFORTS TO EFFECTUATE THE LAW OF AN INVESTIGATION. 
          THE LAWS OF THE STATE. IF RELEASED, THE INFORMATION WOULD ALLOW CRIMINAL ADVANCE NOTICE OF ELEMENTS OF INVESTIGATION, PROVIDING THEM TIME TO FLEE. THEREFORE, THE INFORMATION EXHIBIT TWO SHOULD BE WITHHELD. THIS WAS RESPONSE TO ASKING ABOUT LOCATIONS OF THE CAMERAS. 
          THE CITY PUBLICLY DISCLOSED THE CAMERA LOCATIONS DURING THE JULY 2ND MEETING, THEN ARGUED 13 DAYS LATER THAT DISCLOSING LOCATIONS COULD ENDANGER THE CITY. THE DOCUMENTS ALSO READ IN ADDITION, RELEASE OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION RESPONSIVE TO THIS REQUEST WOULD REVEAL THE TYPE MODEL OF EQUIPMENT THE CITY HAS ACQUIRED, WHAT KINDS OF MODELS ARE USED AND WHAT KINDS OF SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE, AND AN INDIVIDUAL MIGHT ASCERTAIN HOW TO DISARM SUCH SYSTEMS AND BYPASS SECURITY. THEREFORE, THE CITY ASSERTS THAT THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION CONTAINED IN EXHIBIT TWO IS CONFIDENTIAL AND EXCEPTED FROM THE DISCLOSURE. 
          SO NOT ONLY ARE WE HEARING THAT THE THE CAMERAS ARE IN FACT VULNERABLE AFTER BEING ASSURED THAT THEY WEREN'T. BUT YOU'RE ALSO TELLING CITIZENS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TRACK WHERE THEIR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS ARE, OUT OF FEAR THAT WE MAY RETALIATE IN TERRORISTIC ACTIVITIES. AND THAT IS WHERE ALL OF THIS LEAVES US TONIGHT. YOU CANNOT ASK US TO TRUST WHAT YOU REFUSE TO. LET US VERIFY THIS IS NOT ANTI-POLICE. THIS IS NOT PRO-CRIMINAL. IT IS THE 
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BELIEF THAT POWER MUST HAVE FIRM LIMITS AND CONSEQUENCES WHEN LIMITS ARE CROSSED. DO NOT ASK US TO SURRENDER OUR PRIVACY AND CALL IT TRUST. YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO THANK YOU. RESTRAINT. I HOPE YOU TAKE IT. THANK YOU, MR. GUSTAVO DEL MONTE. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. FOR YEARS, WE AS AMERICAN, HAVE RIGHTLY CRITICIZED AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD FOR BUILDING MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE NETWORKS TO LOCK WHERE CITIZENS DRIVE, WORK AND GATHER. WE REJECT THAT KIND OF STATE CONTROL HERE. YET THROUGH PRIVATE VENDORS WERE QUIETLY INSTALLING THAT EXACT SAME TRACKING FRAMEWORK RIGHT HERE IN OUR LOCAL TEXAS ROADS. THEY WERE, THE VENDOR WILL TELL YOU THAT THESE ARE JUST SIMPLY AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS. THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE TRUTH IN A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT TODAY, THEIR HIGH RESOLUTION CAMERAS, THEY DON'T SCAN A LICENSE PLATE, ONLY THEY TAKE A PICTURE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO EVEN CONFIRM BY HIM THAT TO TAKE THE COLOR, MAKE MODEL UNIQUE THINGS, ROOF RACKS AND BUMPERS TO AND USING AI BE ABLE TO TRACK IT. THE ONLY CHANGE BETWEEN USING THIS CAMERA FOR THIS OR FOR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE PICTURES THAT WE SAW IS INSTALLING MORE CAMERAS, WHICH A FOR PROFIT COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND JUST UPDATING THE SOFTWARE. I MYSELF HAVE DONE MACHINE LEARNING CODE, AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY MORE TRAINING THAT YOU NEED TO DO. 
          AND WE WOULDN'T SEE ANY PHYSICAL CHANGE TO THE CAMERAS. IT WOULD JUST BE A SOFTWARE AND A COUPLE OF CHANGES UNDER CONTRACT, AND THAT'LL BE IT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK US FACIALLY FLOOD CLAIMS LOCAL DATA IS DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS, BUT THEY DON'T PROMOTE. IS THAT THE EXACT BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS, MOVEMENT INFORMATION AND VISUAL PROFILE DATA HAVE ALREADY BEEN USED TO TRAIN DURING THOSE 30 DAYS THEIR AI MODELS, WHICH. AFTER THAT, THE DATA IS USELESS BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE ALL THE. YOU NEED ON THE MODEL ITSELF. THEY DON'T NEED EXACT NAMES OR ON A FILE. THEY USE BUCKET PEOPLE INTO DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS, MOVEMENT PATTERNS, AND THEY REFINE THE ALGORITHM TO USE THAT. TAXPAYER DOLLARS SHOULDN'T BE USED TO TURN LAGO VISTA INTO A TRAINING GROUND FOR PRIVATE, PROFIT DRIVEN CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE TO ITS SHAREHOLDERS, NOT OUR RESIDENTS. INDEPENDENT NATIONAL AUDIT LOGS, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE IN TEXAS, SHOW HOW QUICKLY THIS TECHNOLOGY STRAYS FROM ITS ORIGINAL PITCH. AUDITS REVEAL THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES USING FLOCK CONVOY, CONVOY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY USED TO LOOK AT THE COLOR INSTEAD OF JUST THE LICENSE PLATE FEATURES, RUN TO SWEEP ON PEACEFUL GATHERINGS, CHURCHGOERS AND TRAVELING GROUPS WITHOUT UNDERLYING CRIME EVER BEING REPORTED. THAT ISN'T JUST A FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHT AGAINST WARRANTLESS TRACKING. IT IS ALSO A CHILLING PREVIEW OF HOW EASILY THIS SYSTEM CAN BE USED TO MONITOR EVERYDAY CITIZENS WHENEVER POWER GOES UNCHECKED. YOU MIGHT THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL ONLY ATTRACT CRIMINALS, BUT TECHNOLOGY OUTLASTS LOCAL ADMINISTRATIONS AND POLITICAL TIES. ONCE YOU BUILD A WARRANTLESS 24/7 TRACKING GRID, IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A POLICY SHIFT TURNS THE SAME SYSTEM AGAINST ORDINARY CITIZENS, WHETHER IT'S FAMILIES GOING TO CHURCH, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS OR LEADERS. SITTING HERE TONIGHT, NEIGHBORING CENTRAL TEXAS COMMUNITY HAVE ALREADY CANCELED OR REJECTED THIS CONTRACT OVER THE EXACT PRIVACY CONCERNS. CHOOSING NOT TO RENEW HIS CONTRACT ISN'T ANTI-POLICE. IT IS CAUTIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT. I ASK COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE CONTRACT EXPIRE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DARCY. HELLO, COUNCIL. HELLO, PEOPLE. 
          IN THE AUDIENCE. MY NAME IS DARCY DEVAULT. I'M A CITIZEN OF LAGO VISTA. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE NOT HEARD YET IS THAT THIS CONTRACT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 2022, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD FIVE CAMERAS. I BELIEVE ONE WAS TAKEN DOWN ON DODGE TRAIL OR WHATEVER. WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? AND WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT THAT HAPPENING. OKAY? PEOPLE DO NOT GO CUTTING THINGS DOWN. WE AS TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID FOR THIS SYSTEM ALMOST CLOSE TO $80,000, AND NOBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT AT ALL. AND WHEN THE CONTRACT CAME INTO PLAY IN NOVEMBER 2ND OF 2022, WE DIDN'T GET THIS. AND SO FOR FOUR YEARS, ALMOST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN TRACKED WITH NO OVERSIGHT FROM ANYONE ON COUNCIL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITIZENS. AND UNTIL THESE TWO SAID SOMETHING, WE WOULD HAVE ALL JUST GONE ON OUR MERRY WAY. OKAY, SO THAT'S ONE THING I WANT TO SAY. ANOTHER THING IS THAT WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, OKAY? YOU CAN'T LET YOUR DOG OUT WITHOUT IT GOING TO THE BOARD IMMEDIATELY SAYING YOUR DOG'S BEEN SPOTTED. 
          OKAY, EVERYBODY IN LAGO VISTA HAS SPOTTED YOUR DOG. THEY WANT YOUR DOG. GET YOUR DOG. THE POLICE ARE ON THE WAY TO GET THE DOG. OKAY? WE HAVE THE BEST SURVEILLANCE, AND THAT'S THESE 
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PEOPLE. OKAY, IF THESE PEOPLE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM GET THEIR PHONE NUMBERS, BECAUSE WE ARE WILLING TO HELP THE POLICE DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. BUT WE ARE NOT WILLING TO TURN OVER OUR DATA TO BILLIONAIRES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER. WHO IS GETTING THE DATA? WHO IS HOLDING THE DATA? WHERE IS THE DATA BEING STORED FOR THE 30 DAYS, AND THE OTHER 47 INDUSTRIES THAT WERE GIVING IT TO IF THEY ASKED FOR IT. SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, THIS IS ABOUT WE'RE ALL CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA. YOU'RE TO LISTEN TO US. 
          WE ARE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN HERE. NOT YOU, NOT THEM, US. THE CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA ARE AT THE TOP OF OUR FOOD CHAIN, AND ALL OF US ARE TELLING YOU TO STOP THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE YOU DO TONIGHT. AND WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE FOR MORE CAMERAS, WE HOPE YOU LISTEN TO THIS PART. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE NEXT THREE THAT I'M GOING TO CALL UP ARE MARIA BRAVO, ALEX COBALT AND BARBARA MANGAN. SO THE FIRST ONE UP IS MARIA BRAVO. AND IF YOU'RE ONLINE, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. AND YOU HAVE. SO THANK YOU. HI. GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS MARIA VILLEGAS. BRAVO. I'M WITH THE ELECTRONIC PRIVACY INFORMATION CENTER. WE ARE A PUBLIC RESEARCH NONPROFIT CENTER WHO HAS EXTREME EXPERTISE IN THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, AS WELL AS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES. WE FOCUSED OUR WORK ON AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. I WANT TO MAKE THREE MAJOR POINTS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIMITED TIME, AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAG YOUR EVENING OUT. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TECHNICAL CAPACITY OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT LIVE IN A VACUUM. NOT ONLY ARE YOU GETTING THE IMAGES OF THESE VEHICLES AS WELL AS WHEREVER THESE CAMERAS ARE POINTED, THESE THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL DATA BROKER CONNECTIONS. SO ONCE YOU HAVE THE IMAGE AND YOU HAVE RECOGNIZED A LICENSE PLATE, YOU CAN ALSO THEN CONNECT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THOMSON REUTERS OR OTHER DATA BROKERS TO THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSON IN CONNECTION WITH THIS LICENSE PLATE. FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT HOTLIST AND PREDICTIVE TECHNOLOGIES IN THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT GENERATE SUSPICION AND CREATE SYSTEMS THAT FIND PEOPLE. APOLOGIES. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING THAT GENERATE LISTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIALLY INNOCENT, BUT HAVE THIS POTENTIAL HARM. FURTHERMORE, NOT ONLY IS THIS PART OF A LARGER ECOSYSTEM, THESE ARE CONNECTED TO VARIOUS OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND TECHNOLOGIES WHO, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, CAN SEARCH THE INFORMATION THAT THE AGENCY HAS. FURTHERMORE, ON THE ACCURACY OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, FLOC CLAIMS THAT IT HAS A 93% ACCURACY RATE. THERE WAS AN INDEPENDENT STUDY DONE BY THE ROSEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN CALIFORNIA THAT FOUND A 71% ERROR RATE. THAT MEANS 71% OF THE LICENSE PLATES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE MISIDENTIFIED. 
          AND EVEN IF IT WAS 93% ACCURATE, IN A MERE 30 DAYS, THERE WERE OVER A MILLION LICENSE PLATES THAT WERE CAPTURED. SO THAT'S TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHOSE CARS ARE MISIDENTIFIED. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES OF POLICE OFFICERS DRAWING GUNS ON INNOCENT PEOPLE, TAKING CHILDREN OUT OF CARS, PARENTS OUT OF CARS. BASED ON THESE MISIDENTIFIED CAR SYSTEMS. FINALLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT WHAT FLOC IS, IS A HUGE DATABASE OF LOCATION INFORMATION. EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE PAST 30 DAYS. THERE'S A MAP OF WHERE YOUR CAR HAS BEEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THERE ARE CURRENTLY ONLY FOUR CAMERAS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CAMERAS OR INCREASE THE COVERAGE, THIS CAN CREATE AN INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE MAP OF INFORMATION. AND ESPECIALLY AS YOU CONSIDER WHAT OTHER TECHNOLOGY LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE ACCESS TO DATA BROKERS. IT ONLY TAKES THREE PIECES OF INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY LOCATION INFORMATION, TO RE-IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE BASED SOLELY ON THOSE LOCATION POINTS IF YOU KNOW WHERE THEIR HOME IS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ALEX COBALT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, FOR ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC ON SUCH A SERIOUS ISSUE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I WAS GOING TO START WITH THE BEN FRANKLIN QUOTE, BUT THE FORMER POLICE OFFICER SAID IT MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN I COULD HAVE. SO I'LL GIVE A DIFFERENT ONE FROM DOCTOR MAYA ANGELOU. WHEN SOMEBODY SHOWS YOU WHO THEY ARE, BELIEVE THEM. THE FIRST TIME. THIS GENTLEMAN, LOVELY, DRESSED HERE TODAY WITH HIS DIAMOND EARRINGS, HAS BEEN VERY ARTICULATE OF HOW PROUD HE IS ABOUT EXPANDING THE SCOPE, 
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ABOUT EXPANDING THE RESOURCES THAT HIS PRIVATE COMPANY THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT AS A CITY HAVE DONE, MAYBE IN THE BETTERMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT HE'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT HE'S VERY PROUD OF THE INCREASED SURVEILLANCE THAT HIS COMPANY AFFORDS. AND SO I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I THINK YOU SEE THAT THE CITIZENS HERE ARE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I MOVE TO LAGO VISTA FOUR YEARS AGO, AND I PURCHASED A HOME. I'M VERY PROUD TO PAY MY PROPERTY TAXES HERE. I BELIEVE DEEPLY THAT MY TAXES SHOULD GO TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR AND OUR AND OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. WE SPEND ABOUT 37% OF THE CITY'S BUDGET ON LAW ENFORCEMENT REVENUE FROM TICKETS, AND MAGISTRATE COURT OFFENSES IN THE CITY HAVE ALMOST TRIPLED OVER THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS. AND YET OUR CRIME RATE IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AT ABOUT 5 OR 6 CRIMES PER 1000 PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MY PROPERTY TAXES ON INCREASED TOOLS FOR A CITY THAT IS SAFE BECAUSE OF HOW BEAUTIFUL WE ARE, BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TODAY WHO, LIKE THE FINE LADY SAID, SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU, DO NOT VOTE TO INCREASE CONTRACT UTILIZATION OF ANY OF THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS TO REVOKE THIS CONTRACT AND TO ESTABLISH LAWS THAT PREVENT FUTURE CONTRACTS FOR THIS CITY. AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CHOICE OF THIS COUNCIL, THAT'S A OKAY, BECAUSE I WILL SHOW YOU WHO I AM BY VOTING EVERY SINGLE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE WITH REPRESENTATIVES WHO DON'T HEAR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. BARBARA MANGRUM. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I ATTENDED A SPEECH BY CHARLTON HESTON WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE NRA. AND WHAT I REMEMBER ABOUT THAT SPEECH, HE SAID REGARDING GUN CONTROL LAWS, YOU DON'T LET THE FIRST ONE PASS, NOT THE FIRST ONE. THAT'S WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE. AND HE SAID, YOU GET THE FIRST CRACK, IT SPREADS AND THE HOUSE FALLS DOWN. NOW WE'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THESE SAFEGUARDS THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN WE RENEW THIS CONTRACT, THERE MIGHT BE THIS FINE PRINT IN THERE THAT SAYS THEY CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATION WHEREVER, AND WE WILL NEVER KNOW IT. CITIZENS WILL NEVER KNOW IT. AND SO I'M SAYING YOU AND THE CAMERAS BIOMETRIC, HE SAID THERE ARE NO BIOMETRIC INFORMATION. PAST FUTURE CAMERA FIVE YEARS FROM NOW MAY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW IT. IT WILL HAPPEN AND WE WON'T KNOW IT. SO WE DON'T ALLOW THAT FIRST CRACK BECAUSE IT SPREADS AND THE HOUSE WILL FALL DOWN. THANK YOU. THE NEXT THREE THAT I'LL CALL FORWARD ARE ALTON MOORE, DAVID REESE, AND TRAVIS FIEF. SO ALTON MOORE. ALTON MOORE, I'M FROM UP AT THE AIRPORT. SO MANY YEARS AGO, MY PAPPY SAID WHEN I WAS A NERDY KID, I SAID IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A LOT OF CAMERAS AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT CAN SOLVE CRIMES. AND HE SAID, SON, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT IN GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD. ABOUT THE USEFULNESS OF THE DATA. THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THAT THE POLICE HAVE NO DUTY WHATSOEVER TO PROTECT AND SERVE. SO I'D BE KIND OF HAPPY IF I COULD GET TO ALL THAT DATA JUST THE WAY THAT THE POLICE DO. WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM. I COULD SOLVE IT MYSELF, PROBABLY, BUT NO, THE SUPREME COURT HAS ALSO RULED THAT THE POLICE HAVE THE THE RIGHT TO LIE. BUT YOU DON'T. 
          AND IN FACT, IF YOU EVEN MAKE A MISTAKE TALKING TO THE POLICE, THEY CAN ARREST YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND IT DOES HAPPEN AND YOU GET HARASSED FOR IT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THESE CAMERAS HELP WITH THAT SITUATION. THEY MAKE THE POLICE THE ARBITER OF ALL OF THIS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT CAN BE RIGHT. I USED TO WORK FOR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY PRETTY MUCH DO WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE. THEY KIND OF GET A A HAIR AND GO AFTER A CERTAIN THING, AND THEN THEY WANDER OFF AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT GOD FORBID THAT THE CITIZENRY SHOULD WANT ANY SORT OF SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAPPEN. 
          I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE A RELATED TOPIC, WHICH IS THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR FIVE MONTHS IN A FEW DAYS NOW, AND IT IS MY IMPRESSION, YOU KNOW, I WENT INTO POLITICS AND I'VE DONE A FEW THINGS. AND SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M A COMPLETE IDIOT BECAUSE WHEN I DID IT NINE YEARS AGO, I JUST HAD TO MAKE A 
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COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS. SO THERE'S SOMETHING ODD THAT GOES ON WITH LAGO VISTA. IT'S NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL IN SOME VERY BASIC WAYS. I DID MAKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST CONCERNING THAT, WHICH WAS ROUNDLY IGNORED BY EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. APPARENTLY, THEY DIDN'T EVEN COMPLAIN TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET THINGS DONE. 
          BUT THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE. THIS IS THE SAME CITY, THE SAME CITY COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS PERSONALLY TOO MUCH, BUT WHO CAN'T GET ME A PERMIT. YOU KNOW, IT'S DISAPPOINTING. BY THE WAY, I'M A COMPUTER GUY. I KNOW ABOUT DATA MINING. THEY CAN GET YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T TAKE A PICTURE AND DO IMAGE RECOGNITION, FACIAL RECOGNITION AND THAT SORT OF THING. THE SAME WAY YOU CAN DO INQUIRIES INTO YOUR TELEPHONE RECORDS. BUT WHY SHOULD WE FACILITATE THAT? I I WOULD SAY DON'T LET BIG BUSINESS DO THE GOVERNMENT'S DIRTY WORK LIKE THEY DID RECENTLY IN 2020. NEXT UP, I HAVE DEVIN REESE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WELL, I DIDN'T COME PREPARED WITH A NICE WRITTEN OUT SPEECH TO GIVE TODAY. AND I'VE HEARD I'VE HEARD SOME PRETTY COMPELLING ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE. I'M RETIRED. I'VE BEEN IN TECHNOLOGY FOR DECADES, ESPECIALLY HIGH TECH. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT. IN A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ARGUMENTS TO COMPEL YOU TO MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THE FEAR OF LOSING OUR SAFETY. I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE WITNESSED ALL KINDS OF PRESENTATIONS, ALL KINDS OF PRESENTATIONS. I'VE SEEN A GOOD PRESENTATION TONIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU ALLOW. THE PRESENTATION TO REFRAME THE ARGUMENT AWAY FROM MORALS AND AWAY FROM LAWFUL CONCERNS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE, YOU'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE. LEGALITY IS ONE THING. YOU CAN COMPLY WITH ALL THE TECHNICAL LITTLE DETAILS OF LEGALITY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT MORALLY RIGHT. ETHICS IS ONE THING. 
          MORALS IS SOMETHING ELSE. NOW, YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE INTO THE FUTURE, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WITH THAT FIRST CRACK THAT STARTS, IT WILL PROGRESS. AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE A FUTURE WHERE YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE. LOOKING AT GEORGE ORWELL'S STORY. I'VE BEEN THERE, I KNOW IT. YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THE STEAMROLLER, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN SLOW IT DOWN. 
          JUST SLOW IT DOWN. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. BEFORE I CALL UP THE NEXT ONE, THE REST OF THE CITIZEN COMMENTS ALSO CITED WORK SESSION ITEM 114. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THAT IN DISCUSSION REGARDING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE INSTALLATION OF LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION CAMERAS. AGAIN, THIS IS A WORK SESSION ITEM, NOT AN ACTION ITEM. AND MOST OF YOUR COMMENTS HAVE TOUCHED ON THE SAME TOPIC. THIS WAS THE POTENTIAL PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE CURRENT CAMERAS UP TO 1431, WHICH IS TEX ODDS AROUND. SO WITH THAT I WILL CALL UP TRAVIS FIEF. YES, YOU GO HOME. OKAY. DOES THAT SAY THIS POSITION? IT JUST SAID I WILL SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. TO DO THE PRESENTATION TO THE TEXAS CIVIL RIGHTS. OKAY. GOTCHA. YEAH. THE NEXT THREE I WILL CALL UP ARE TRAVIS. HANS MAVERICK, AND MILAN REAGAN. I'M SORRY IF I'M JUST BUTCHERING NAMES UP HERE, BUT YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SAY YOUR NAME AND CORRECT ME, TRAVIS. WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY FOR FLOCK CAMERAS, SO I KIND OF 
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HAVE A LITTLE OFF SUBJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THE E-BIKE FROM LAST WEEK. I GOT RAN INTO A WALL BY YOUR OFFICER. IT'S THE SAME OFFICER THAT'S ALMOST RUN INTO ME TWO DIFFERENT TIMES BY MY HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHAT I CAME TO SPEAK ON. I MEAN, FLOCK CAMERAS. I'LL JUST SAY IT. I'M AGAINST THEM. GET THEM OUT OF HERE. IS THAT OFFICER STILL EMPLOYED? I MEAN, IT'S AN HONEST QUESTION, SIR. WE CAN'T DIRECT QUESTIONS TO OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE WAS TEN. 
          IT WAS TEN. A NEIGHBOR CALLS ME AND TELLS ME THAT YOUR OFFICER MAYOR BASICALLY RAN. MR. BENFIELD, THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS SPECIFIC TO FLOCK SURVEILLANCE AND MOVING THE FLOCK CAMERAS TO 1431. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT TIME. I FIGURED AS MUCH, BUT AT LEAST EVERYBODY'S HERE TO HEAR ME THIS TIME. MR. BENFIELD, THAT'S SUSTAINED. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S JUST I. SOMETHING'S GOT TO CHANGE, MAN. I KEEP COMING, SIR. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. AND JUST IT DIDN'T HAVE A A TOPIC LISTED ON IT. IF YOU LIST THE TOPIC, THEN I WOULD HAVE KNOWN. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. HANS. MAVERICK. HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU TODAY. MY NAME IS HANS MAVERICK. I'M ACTUALLY A RESIDENT OF AUSTIN, AND I WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION CALLED GRASSROOTS LEADERSHIP, WHERE WE TEACH CITIZENS TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT ISSUES LIKE MASS SURVEILLANCE. I WAS PRESENT IN THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL HEARINGS TO GET RID OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS IN AUSTIN. I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE DID ON THAT. WE'VE ALSO HELPED WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE TRUST ACT PASSED IN AUSTIN. SO WE CARE AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT CITIZENS AND THEIR RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. FLOCK WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THAT THEIR CONTRACT PROVISIONS PREVENT THE MISUSE OF THEIR DATA FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. HOWEVER, BECAUSE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE PART OF A NATIONWIDE NETWORK, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WON'T BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. DAYTON, OHIO, FOR INSTANCE, PROHIBITED THE INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH ICE. HOWEVER YOU FEEL ABOUT ICE, DOESN'T THE CITY OF DAYTON DON'T THE PEOPLE OF DAYTON HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY HOW THE DATA FROM THE CAMERAS THEY'RE PAYING FOR IS USED? THEY CANCEL THE CONTRACT. WHEN THEY LEARNED THAT THE DATA FROM THEIR CAMERAS GOT RELAYED FROM FLOCK TO ICE 7100 TIMES, THE CITY HAD TO RESORT TO COVERING THEIR CAMERAS AFTER THEY CANCELED THEIR FLOCK CAMERA CONTRACT BECAUSE FLOCK REFUSED TO REMOVE THEM, AND THE CITY DIDN'T TRUST FLOCK TO TURN THEM OFF. BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT JUST NOTORIOUSLY LIBERAL PLACES LIKE AUSTIN THAT ARE CANCELING THEIR CONTRACTS. ELBERT COUNTY, COLORADO, AND EASTERN COLORADO COVERS 1800MI■S AND HAS A POPULATION OF 26,000 PEOPLE. THE COUNTY VOTED 75% IN FAVOR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE 2024 ELECTION. HARDLY A BASTION OF WILD EYED PROGRESSIVISM. BUT IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY OUTCRY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION VOTED 3 TO 0 NOT TO RENEW THE THEIR FLOCK CONTRACT AS WELL. IT'S ACTUALLY HARD TO GET A VERIFIABLE COUNT OF THE NUMBER OF LOCALITIES THAT HAVE CANCELED THEIR FLOCK CONTRACTS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          ESTIMATES RANGE FROM 23 TO 85. HERE'S JUST A FEW EXAMPLES AND EXAMPLES. IN ADDITION TO THOSE I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED FORT COLLINS, COLORADO. EUGENE, OREGON. MADISON, WISCONSIN, KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE, SYRACUSE, NEW YORK. WALLA WALLA, WASHINGTON. EL CERRITO, CALIFORNIA. FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA. CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, AND SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA. MY MOTHER USED TO TELL ME OF ONE PERSON HATES YOU. THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THEM. IF TWO PEOPLE HATE YOU, IT'S PROBABLY JUST A COINCIDENCE. IF THREE PEOPLE HATE YOU, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR BEHAVIOR. WHAT SHOULD YOU DO WHEN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HATE YOU? I KNOW THAT THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE CAMERA CAMERAS WILL ARGUE THAT THEY PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE QUOTE FROM BEN FRANKLIN. I THINK IT STANDS HERE, AND YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO ANY OTHER TYPE OF MONITORING DEVICE. I BELIEVE I STAND WITH THE CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA AND ASKING YOU NOT TO RENEW THE CONTRACT WITH FLOC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE MILAN REICH. MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M A NEW, FAIRLY NEW RESIDENT OF LAGO VISTA. I MOVED HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO JUST BEING A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. AND I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY. SO MY APOLOGIES THAT I'M NOT LIKE FULLY PREPARED WITH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS THAT I'M A HEALTH CARE GUY AND HEALTH CARE HAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED A I, I DO A PUBLIC PRESENTATION CALLED YOUR HEALTH CARE IN THE AGE OF AI. SO HEALTH CARE, FOR THE 
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FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY, HAS ADOPTED AI TOOLS AT 2.2 TIMES THE RATE OF ANY OTHER INDUSTRY OUT THERE. AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I ANALYZE ALL THE AREAS THAT ALL THE AI TOOLS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED AND HOW IT'S BEEN ADOPTED AND WHERE THE DATA IS GOING, AND ACTUALLY WHO OWNS THE DATA. BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING, IF AWS IS WHERE THE DATA IS STORED, YOU DON'T OWN THE DATA, YOU DON'T OWN THE DATA. YOU SIMPLY PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT DATA. SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. AND SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ALSO RELATE TO LAGO VISTA. SO I HAVE AN EPIDEMIOLOGY BACKGROUND WHICH IS VERY STATISTICALLY ORIENTED. 
          SO I TOOK A LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF LAGO VISTA. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 11,000 PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. AND WE WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT 11,000 PEOPLE, AND I THEN I TOOK A LOOK AT THE CRIME STATS THAT WERE PUBLISHED ON THE PUBLIC DATABASE. AND WE LOOK AT CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO BE EXPOUNDED ON, ON WHAT TYPES OF CALLS THAT THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY NEBULOUS KIND OF TERM. SO WE WENT FROM 12,284 CALLS IN 2023 TO 19,000 195 IN 2024, WHICH IS A 43.9% INCREASE. OKAY. AND THEN I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO DRONE ON ABOUT. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY ARRESTS HAPPEN IN LAGO VISTA, IT SAYS 102. ACCORDING TO THE STATS PROVIDED. SO 102 OUT OF 11,000 PEOPLE WAS LESS THAN 1%. OKAY. AND IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE 19,195 CALLS OUT OF 11,000 PEOPLE, THAT'S ONLY 1.7%. SO THE REALITY IS, IS THIS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT IN TODAY'S WORLD. WHAT'S THE IROI ON THIS TECHNOLOGY? BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT FLOC IS A $7.5 BILLION VALUATION RIGHT NOW, 300 MILLION CURRENTLY IN ANNUAL RECURRING REVENUE AND GROWING. AND ULTIMATELY, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE NOT JUST THEY'LL PROBABLY GO IPO AT SOME POINT IN TIME AS WELL. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS WHO'S REALLY BENEFITING NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT DOES FLOC DO OUT OF THOSE 102 ARRESTS? WHAT HAS IT CHANGED? WHAT VALUE ADD DOES IT BRING TO THE EQUATION FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHAT WHAT IS NOT BEING FULFILLED? IS IT JUST SIMPLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN THAT IT'S RELIEVING? YOU KNOW? SO I JUST THINK WE NEED MORE CONVERSATION ON THIS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT THREE THAT I WILL CALL UP ARE ALEX SKELTON, AARON TULLIUS AND EILEEN WOLFORD. SO WITH THAT, ALEX. 
          WHAT'S UP EVERYBODY? WELL, I CAME HERE AS MUCH FOR EVERYBODY HERE AS WELL AS YOU GUYS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. PLEASE SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE RIGHT HERE SO THOSE ONLINE CAN HEAR US AS WELL. SO IT'S A REAL POSITIVE I SEE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING I'VE COME TO IN THE TWO YEARS I'VE LIVED IN LAGO VISTA, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH, BUT I'VE DEVELOPED QUITE A CYNICISM ABOUT OUR REPRESENTATIVE POLITICS. AND I TEND TO STAY AWAY FROM THESE THINGS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A LOT OF EFFECTIVENESS HAPPEN WHEN WE COME AND WAIT FOR HOURS TO TALK. AND I'VE WATCHED A LOT OF CITY COUNCILS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF GO, WELL, THAT'S NICE. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'VE ALL JUST SAID AND TOLD US. AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I'VE SEEN YOU GUYS REALLY ASK SOME CHALLENGING QUESTIONS TODAY, AND I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SEEING A LOT OF YOU YOU'VE COME UP. ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS HAS SOME GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOU. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT ANY OF YOU, AND THAT'S THAT. BUT THAT TRULY, THAT'S THE BEST I'VE SEEN. I WON'T POINT OUT THE REST, BUT I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN YOU ASK. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT. 
          AND THAT GIVES ME, YOU KNOW, A GOOD FEELING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN THIS COUNTRY IS A RECOGNITION THAT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IS NOT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING A CHANCE TO LIKE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE VOTING ON, LIKE THE, THE AUTHORITY OF OUR REPRESENTATIVE POLITICS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. SO THESE ARE DECISIONS THAT ARE SO MASSIVELY AFFECTING OUR INDIVIDUAL LIVES, WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING A CHANCE. WE SHOULD BE VOTING ON THIS MORE THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A LOCAL THING THAT YOU GUYS I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU GUYS SAID LIKE, HEY, I KNOW IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. WE'LL GET LIKE FLOCK IN HERE. THIS IS A NATIONWIDE GLOBAL THING THAT'S ROLLING OUT. WE'RE ALL WATCHING THE NATIONAL NEWS. THIS IS PART OF THAT. THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH LAGO VISTA, BUT IT ALSO HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A MUCH LARGER ISSUE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT THE CRACKS FORMING, 
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GETTING AHEAD OF THIS THING, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, THE BEST SALES PITCH IS FREEDOM FOR SAFETY. AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT WRONG ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS. YOU GUYS HAVE STOPPED SOME CRIMES. I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO. THAT'S TRUE. THOSE ARE IRREFUTABLE TRUTHS. 
          HEY, WHY STOP THERE? YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD STOP MORE CRIMES IS. AND I DON'T THINK YOU. YOU SEEM LIKE A NICE GUY, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR BONUSES YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHEN THIS THING GOES THROUGH. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THINKING THIS IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED IN THE WAY THAT SOME OF OUR YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO ARE CONCERNED ARE. BECAUSE IT ISN'T THE FIRST THIS IS THE UPFRONT PRESENTATION WE'RE HEARING. THIS IS THE DAY ONE. 
          HEY, LET'S ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. WE'RE ALREADY GETTING THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LIKE THEY HAVE A TECHNOLOGY WHERE THE CHIEF IS GOING TO MAYBE HAVE DIFFERENT ACCESS THAN THE ACTIVE DETECTIVE. LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES NOW THAT HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE INFORMATION SYSTEM THAN EVEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOW, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RELATED. I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. GISLAINE MAXWELL'S SISTER WROTE THE COMPUTER PROGRAM CALLED CHILIAD THAT INTEGRATES THE CIA AND THE FBI AND OTHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND ALLOWS THEM TO INTEGRATE WITH EACH OTHER. AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HERE TO PUT US INTO A GULAG OR SOME ORWELLIAN HELLSCAPE, BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALSO POINTED OUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT JUST TODAY'S ADMINISTRATION. OF COURSE, THESE THINGS CHANGE. OF COURSE, TODAY IT'S FOR CAMERAS. 
          DO WE NOT THINK THE CASE CAN BE MADE THAT A CAMERAS IS GOING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE? WELL, WHY STOP THERE? I KNOW WHAT WOULD BE. LET'S QUIT A CAMERA IN EVERYBODY'S FRONT YARD, AND WE'LL CHECK THEM ON THE WAY OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THAT WOULD FOR SURE MAKE US SAFER. AM I WRONG? LET'S STOP CRIME ENTIRELY. DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOUSE ENTIRELY. RIGHT? AND SO I'M GETTING WOUND UP. BUT LIKE, THIS IS THE LOGIC. THAT IS A CLEVER SALES PITCH BECAUSE IT'S NOT WRONG. YOU GUYS HAVE HELPED THAT SHIT. THANK YOU SIR. BE OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT. AARON TULIS. ALL RIGHT, NOW I GOT TO FOLLOW THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AARON TULLIUS. I'M A HOMEOWNER IN HIGHLAND LAKES. I FIRST WANT TO THANK CHIEF JOY AND ASSISTANT CHIEF FRANCO FOR MEETING WITH ME AND MY ADULT SON, AND FOR MAYOR FOR ARRANGING THAT. FLOC IS NOT SIMPLY A CAMERA COMPANY. AS WE'VE HEARD, IT IS A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION WHOSE BUSINESS MODEL DEPENDS ON SOFTWARE THAT AGGREGATES, STORES, SEARCHES, AND SHARES VAST AMOUNTS OF LOCATION DATA ACROSS MUNICIPALITIES, WHILE THE MARKETING FORCES ON LICENSE PLATE READERS FOCUSES ON LICENSE PLATE READERS, THE REAL PRODUCT IS CONTINUOUS, SEARCHABLE TRACKING OF VEHICLES AND, BY EXTENSION, THE PEOPLE IN THEM SO THAT DATA AGGREGATION GOES FAR BEYOND ANY REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE DRIVE ON A PUBLIC ROAD, WE CAN BE SEEN. COURTS HAVE LONG HELD THAT SHORT TERM OR INTERMITTENT OBSERVATION OF A VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC ROAD DOES NOT REQUIRE A WARRANT, BUT THE SUPREME COURT AND LOWER COURTS HAVE DRAWN A CLEAR LINE BETWEEN THAT KIND OF FLEETING OBSERVATION AND PROLONGED AND AGGREGATED TRACKING THAT REVEALS THE WHOLE OF A PERSON'S MOVEMENTS. CASES SUCH AS US V JONES GPS TRACKING OVER WEEKS AND CARPENTER V US AND CELL SITE LOCATION DATA ESTABLISHED THAT WHEN TECHNOLOGY CREATES A DETAILED HISTORICAL RECORD OF WHERE SOMEONE GOES HOME, WORK, CHURCH, DOCTOR, IT INVADES A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY, EVEN IF EVERY INDIVIDUAL DATA POINT WAS COLLECTED IN PUBLIC. FLACK'S NETWORK DOES EXACTLY THAT. IT AGGREGATES, READS FROM MANY CAMERAS, RETAINS THE DATA, MAKES IT SEARCHABLE, AND OFTEN SHARES IT NATIONALLY. WHAT LOOKS LIKE DISCRETE PUBLIC SNAPSHOTS BECOMES A CONTINUOUS MOSAIC OF DAILY LIFE. SECONDLY, CYBERSECURITY. SO REPRESENTATIVES HAVE CLAIMED THIS SYSTEM HAS NEVER BEEN HACKED AND DISMISSED CRITICS AS MERE YOUTUBERS, AND THAT THAT FRAMING IS REALLY MISLEADING. 
          SO THE NATIONAL VULNERABILITY DATABASE, OPERATED AND FUNDED BY THE US GOVERNMENT AND FED BY MITER CVE DATA, CURRENTLY LISTS MULTIPLE DOCUMENTED CRITICAL VULNERABILITIES, WITH TWO SCORING 9.8 OUT OF TEN IN BLOCK DEVICES AND SOFTWARE, AND INDEPENDENT RESEARCH BY SECURITY PROFESSIONAL JOHN GAINES IDENTIFIED 51 FINDINGS ACROSS BLOCK HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE. MANY HAVE RECEIVED OFFICIAL CVE IDENTIFIERS. THIS IS NOT JUST ONE TOPIC DISGUISE DISCUSSED WIDELY BY INDEPENDENT JOURNALISTS. SORRY, THIS IS JUST ONE TOPIC DISCUSSED WIDELY BY INDEPENDENT JOURNALISTS LIKE BEN JORDAN, WHO ARE JUST DISMISSED AS YOUTUBERS. THESE ARE NOT JUST THEORETICAL EDGE CASES, THOUGH. PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS HAVE SHOWN THAT LIVE CAMERA FEEDS AND ARCHIVES ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE NORMAL WEB BROWSER, WITH NO LOGIN REQUIRED, AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL BUTTON SEQUENCES THAT OPEN AN UNSECURED WIRELESS ACCESS POINT, ALLOWING ROOT LEVEL CONTROL. WHETHER ONE CONSIDERS THESE EXAMPLES HACKING OR NOT IS BESIDES THE POINT. UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTIES HAVE REPEATEDLY GAINED ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS WITH MINIMAL EFFORT. WE SHOULD NOT OUTSOURCE SENSITIVE PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE TO A VENDOR WHOSE PRODUCTS HAVE THIS MANY SERIOUS SECURITY PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, EILEEN WOLFORD. 
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. AND I'M SORRY THAT I MARRIED A MAN WITH THE LAST NAME THAT STARTED WITH W. OKAY. I WANT TO THANK THE PRESENTERS, THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE AND THE ATTORNEY THAT WE HAD AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE HERE, THE CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA. I JUST WANTED TO START WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, SORRY, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE, TO BE SURE, IN THEIR PERSONS, HOUSES, PAPERS AND EFFECTS AGAINST UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED AND NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE, BUT UPON PROBABLE CAUSE, SUPPORTED BY OATH OR AFFIRMATION, AND PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING THE PLACE TO BE SEARCHED AND THE PERSONS OR THINGS TO BE SEIZED. AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS IN THE FOREFRONT, BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. KRIS ANDERS, WHO HAPPENS TO BE CHAIRMAN OF THE WEST VIRGINIA FREEDOM CAUCUS, AND I'M GOING TO SAY I'M A DEMOCRAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I GO ON BOTH SIDES HERE. THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT DISAPPEAR BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY TRUE. I ALSO WANT TO JUST MAKE A NOTE HERE THAT FLOC CHIEF EXECUTIVE GARRETT LANGLEY SAID MISUSE OF ITS. THIS ISN'T A WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE. I THINK IT WAS AUGUST 2ND THIS YEAR, FLOC CHIEF EXECUTIVE GARRETT LANGLEY SAID MISUSE OF ITS SYSTEMS IS INEVITABLE, INEVITABLE AND THAT THE COMPANY IS FOCUSED ON PROVIDING TOOLS TO CATCH PERPETRATORS AFTER THE FACT. ARE THESE TOOLS THE DEFAULT SETTING? I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE REPRESENTATIVE CAN SAY THERE WAS ALSO A MENTION OF OUR PHONES. WELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO TAKE OUR PHONES. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE OUR SETTINGS ON OUR PHONES. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE THEM AT HOME OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT WITH THE CAMERAS. SO GIVEN THE CONCERNS OF MASS SURVEILLANCE IN THE WARRANTLESS SEARCHES, IT'S REQUESTED. I REQUEST THAT THE FLOCK SAFETY CAMERA CONTRACT NOT BE RENEWED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT CAN BE GUARANTEED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE NEXT GROUP I'LL CALL UP IS KEITH HALPIN, C KNOX AND AALIYAH DREHER. SO WITH THAT, KEITH MAYOR, WHAT WAS THE THE SPEAKER'S LAST NAME LAST THIS LAST ONE. WOLFORD. WOLFORD. WOLFORD. IS KEITH HERE? OKAY. 
          WENT HOME. C KNOX. HI, Y'ALL. HELLO. HI. NICE TO SEE YOU. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, LIKE SINCE 64. MY FAMILY'S ALWAYS BEEN HERE, BUT I'VE HAD TO UPHOLD THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE. 
          I'VE TAKEN AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION INSTITUTION TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. I THINK PROBABLY A LOT OF US HAVE. AND I DON'T THINK FLOCK TAKES THAT OATH. AND ONE THING THAT I KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT OFTENTIMES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, IS ONE THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO SACRIFICE SO THAT THEY COULD UPHOLD THEIR FIRST AND I'M AGAINST WHAT CAMERAS OR ANY OTHER LICENSE PLATE, ANYTHING, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN CHINA. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE AALIYAH DREYER. AALIYAH. I'M NOT ONLINE EITHER. OKAY. 
          THEN I HAVE DAVID VON. I MIGHT HAVE DONATED TIME. I DON'T THINK I'LL NEED IT. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO TIDY UP A COUPLE POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP. WORDPLAY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONTRACTS LIKE FOR INSTANCE, CUSTOMER DATA CAPITALIZED AS A TITLE AND A SOMETHING WITH A DEFINITION. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM JUST DATA LOWERCASE, THE STANDARD TERM. YEAH. LPR LICENSE PLATE READER DOESN'T HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION CAPABILITY. IT CAN'T DO THAT. THE THE SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN JUST PAY FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION TO GET NOVA THAT HAS THAT. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THAT AFTER THE FACT. I HAVE A MINOR BACKGROUND IN OPEN SOURCE NETWORK INTELLIGENCE TOOLS, OSINT. I CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. JUST A PICTURE OF PEOPLE IN HERE. I WILL, I WILL 
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LITERALLY WITHIN MINUTES HAVE ALL OF THE DATA I NEED. IDENTITY THEFT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT THERE. YOU CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE TOMORROW. WHETHER WE TRUST ANYONE IN HERE RIGHT TODAY. IF IF I'M ELECTED, SOMEONE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH WHAT I THINK AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT JUST HANDLE, HAND ME UNBRIDLED AUTHORITY TO DO THINGS AND STUFF WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED WARRANTS TO DO THINGS. YOUR PHONE CARRYING IT AROUND. OKAY, YOU STILL NEED A WARRANT TO TAKE THE PHONE DATA. YOU CAN GO BY THAT DATA. AND LIKE I SAID, USE OSINT TOOLS, BUT THE LAW CANNOT. YOU CANNOT. YOU CAN'T HAVE GOVERNMENT OVERREACH WITH THAT. I AM TAKING LONGER THAN I THOUGHT. THE THE PICTURES, IT TAKES 7 TO 15 BATCH CAMERA BATCH PHOTOS AT A TIME. I CAN SHOW YOU A PHOTO RIGHT NOW SHOWING THE INFRARED CAMERA GO OFF. ANY MOVEMENT, ANY MOVEMENT. 
          IT'S NOT MAGICALLY. OH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT RECTANGLE AS A PLATE. ANY MOVEMENT SETS IT OFF AND SENDS THE FOOTAGE OUT. THEN IT GOES THROUGH THERE PROCESSING, AND THEN WE GET THE CUSTOMER DATA SEPARATE NAME. AND THAT IS THE PICTURE OF THE CAR, WHICH YES, YOU CAN TOTALLY TAKE ANY OF THE OTHER IMAGES IN THAT, WHICH IS WHAT OTHER AGENCIES HAVE USED TO TRACK PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED CRIMES. YAY! BY FINDING THEIR FRIENDS AND THEIR FRIENDS CARS TO GO FIND THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY HAD A DOORDASH ORDER, AND THEY CAN GO FIND WHERE THE PERP IS GREAT. THEY SOLVE THE CRIME WITH VIOLATIONS. HOW MANY PICS OF A SINGLE CAR? THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LATER. HOW MANY PICTURES OF A SINGLE CAR IN A SINGLE DAY TRACKING HISTORICAL MOVEMENT WOULD ACTUALLY TURN FROM PERIODIC TRACKING INTO STALKING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS GIVE ME PERMISSION TO JUST TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR CARS EVERYWHERE YOU GO AND START TRACKING THE TIMES YOU'RE NOT HOME. WHENEVER YOU'RE AT OTHER STORES, WHERE DOES THAT BECOME? YOU'RE GOING TO CALL THE COPS ON ME REAL QUICK. AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THE SECOND TIME YOU NOTICE ME FOLLOWING YOU WITH A CAMERA. 30S LET'S SEE THE BEST ONES. 
          I'M KILLING TIME. I COULD JUST KEEP READING, EVEN IF IT'S FLAGGED A VIOLATION. WHAT IS THE FLAG DO IF THE PERSON IN AUTHORITY IS THE ONE GETTING THE FLAG RECEIPT? OH, YOU'RE VIOLATING A RULE. OKAY, THE NEXT CHIEF JUST WON'T TELL ANYONE THAT HE'S VIOLATING A RULE BECAUSE IT GOES TO HIM. SO GUARDRAILS ONLY WORK WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE ARE IN POWER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN PERSON WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WHO HAS NOT? ENRIQUE. YES. ENRIQUE LOPEZ, I CAME IN HERE WITH. I DIDN'T DO ANY RESEARCH. AS FOR FACT, I AVOIDED ALL CONVERSATIONS AND KNOWLEDGE OF THESE FLOCK CAMERAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE INSURANCE. YOU HATE PAYING FOR IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WHATEVER. BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND MAN, I'M GLAD I GOT THE INSURANCE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I FEEL LIKE THESE FLOCK CAMERAS IS UNTIL, UNTIL IT AFFECTS YOU PERSONALLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHETHER IT WAS WORTH IT OR NOT. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS A LITTLE, I WAS VERY ANALYTICAL AS TO LISTEN TO THE ACL ATTORNEY AND MR. BANFIELD, HE ACTUALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID HE HAD EXAGGERATED, EXAGGERATED. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT YOU ASKED HIM FOR CLARIFICATION AND HE SAID, WELL, I EXAGGERATED. I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO LEARN. AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OVEREMPHASIZING AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, EXAGGERATING, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE LEARN FROM THAT? HOW CAN WE MAKE A RIGHT DECISION IF THE THAT ATTORNEY IS MISREPRESENTING THE WHAT WHAT THE CAMERAS DO? OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, DO I STAND FOR OR AGAINST IT? I DON'T KNOW NOW IT'S BEEN I APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN UP FOR FOUR YEARS. I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING. I MEAN, IT HASN'T AFFECTED THE WAY I DRIVE FROM HERE TO THERE. BUT ONE THING THAT I HAVE NOTICED IS THAT MY OFFICE IS ON THE CORNER OF LOHMAN FORD AND DON DRIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT, ON THAT STREET. AND ALSO I DO NOTICE ON THE COMMUNITY BOARD WHERE THEY POST A PICTURE OR SOMEBODY POSTS, HEY, THERE'S A GUY DRIVING A WHITE PICKUP TRUCK DRIVING ERRATICALLY. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN THAT. I MEAN, IF I'VE SEEN, I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN IT TOO. SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING. LIKE, MAN, IF WE HAD A CAMERA, THEN WE'D KNOW WHO THAT CULPRIT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHITE, WHITE PICKUP TRUCK IN TEXAS IS ONE. I MEAN, A HALF OF THEM ARE WHITE. SO, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S GOT ITS GOOD POINTS AND ITS BAD 
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POINTS. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY PERSONAL DECISION OF WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T WATCH NETFLIX WITHOUT THEM TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WATCHED FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. WE'VE ALREADY CROSSED THE LINE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY, WE'VE CROSSED THAT LINE. AND IF A LITTLE CAMERA TELLS ME THAT MY CAR WAS THERE, SO WHAT? YOU KNOW. SO ANYWAY, SO I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST IT YET, BUT THESE ARE POINTS TO THINK ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LOPEZ. YES. MR. MCAULIFFE. HAD TO COME UP ONE MORE TIME FOR THE EXPERIENCE I HAD. STATE YOUR NAME REAL QUICK. LINDA MCCULLOUGH. SORRY, I'VE BEEN IN CHINA. I WALKED INTO THE AIRPORT. THEY KNEW WHO I WAS. THEY WALKED. AS SOON AS I WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR, THEY KNEW WHO I WAS. THEY KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS HERE, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME. THEY KNEW EVERY PLACE I WAS. 
          THEY KNEW EVERY PLACE I WAS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND IN TIBET. THEY KNEW EVERY PLACE I WAS. 
          NOW, WHY IS THAT THE BUSINESS OF ANY OF US? TO KNOW WHERE. WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW WHERE HE IS? WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW WHERE ADAM IS? WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS? AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS. I DON'T LIKE THIS. I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL. HAVING EXPERIENCED THAT AND WALKED IN AND GOING, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? THEY KNEW WHO I WAS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE IN PERSON? I GOT A FEW WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I'M GOING TO READ, THEN GOT ONE HERE FROM NOAH DREYER. WE NEED OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO SPEAK UP, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL BELIEFS. ASK YOURSELF THIS IF THE PEOPLE IN POWER CHANGE TOMORROW AND USE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY YOU DISAGREE WITH, WOULD YOU STILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT? IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN WE NEED TO THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE GIVING AWAY MORE PRIVACY AND MORE CONTROL. HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS OFTEN EXPAND BEYOND THEIR ORIGINAL PURPOSE. RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARE MUCH HARDER TO REGAIN ONCE THEY ARE LOST. LAWS CHANGE. 
          SOMETHING THAT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TODAY MAY NOT BE LEGAL TOMORROW. YOU MAY BELIEVE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT NOW, BUT NONE OF US CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE LAWS WILL LOOK LIKE, OR HOW TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS COULD BE USED TO ENFORCE THEM. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY BECOME PART OF INVESTIGATIONS OUTSIDE OF VIOLENT CRIME. ONE WIDELY REPORTED EXAMPLE INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT USING AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER DATA DURING AN INVESTIGATION RELATED TO A WOMAN WHO TRAVELED OUT OF STATE FOR REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE AFTER ABORTION LAWS CHANGED. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THOSE LAWS OR NOT ISN'T THE POINT. THE POINT IS THAT SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS CAN BE USED IN WAYS MANY PEOPLE NEVER EXPECTED WHEN THEY WERE FIRST INSTALLED. WE'VE SEEN LAWS CHANGE ON OTHER ISSUES AS WELL. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, RECENT CHANGES TO TEXAS LAW HAVE EXPANDED RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN THC PRODUCTS. PEOPLE WHO WERE FOLLOWING THE LAW ONE DAY MAY SUDDENLY FIND THEMSELVES SUBJECT TO A DIFFERENT LEGAL LANDSCAPE THE NEXT. THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THOSE LAWS. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY BUILT TODAY IS USED TO ENFORCE LAWS TOMORROW. AMERICA WAS FOUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED GOVERNMENT POWER SHOULD HAVE LIMITS. THEY RISKED EVERYTHING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE FREE FROM UNNECESSARY GOVERNMENT CONTROL. THAT FREEDOM COMES WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT IT, NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES, BUT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. WE DO NOT NEED FLOCK, CAMERAS OR ANY MASS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM IN OUR TOWN. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE FROM NAN NESMITH NESMITH. AS PARENTS, WE SIGNED PERMISSION SLIPS WITH SCHOOLS, SPORTS LEAGUES AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. 
          GRANTING OR NOT GRANTING THE SHARING OF OUR CHILDREN'S INFORMATION AND PHOTOS BY PLACING A FLAT CAMERA ON BAQUET IN 1431, POINTED AT THE OUTSIDE WORKOUT AREA OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL GYM, THE CAP METRO BUS DROP OFF AND THE SIDEWALK CROSSWALK THE CHILDREN USED FOR ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT PICKUP. YOU HAVE TAKEN HIS RIGHT AWAY FROM PARENTS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE. SOME WILL SAY THIS IS FOR SAFETY REASONS. THEN WHY NO ONE INFORMED THE PURCHASE AND PLACEMENT OF THE CAMERAS. MISS DEBORAH NATHANSON DEAR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM WRITING TO OPPOSE THE INSTALLATION AND USE OF CAMERAS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THESE SYSTEMS CREATE WIDESPREAD SURVEILLANCE OF ORDINARY RESIDENTS, OFTEN WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT, AND RAISE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY, DATA STORAGE, OUTSIDE ACCESS AND MISUSE. PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS, BUT IT SHOULD NOT COME AT THE COST OF TREATING EVERYONE WHO DRIVES THROUGH OUR CITY AS SOMEONE TO BE TRACKED. PLEASE REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND PURSUE SAFETY MEASURES THAT ARE TRANSPARENT, NARROWLY FOCUSED AND RESPECTFUL OF CIVIL LIBERTIES. AND THE COUNCIL. WE RECEIVED THIS REPORT FROM MR. TOM MONAHAN. I'LL JUST READ THE TOP POSITION. I THINK THAT WAS THE GIST OF HIS ARGUMENT. THE AGENDA REPORT OFFERS COUNCIL SEVEN POSSIBLE ACTIONS. IN SUMMARY, THEY ARE ONE CONTINUE CURRENT USE WITHOUT MODIFICATION. TWO CONTINUE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL POLICIES, RESTRICTIONS, AUDITING, REPORTING OR TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS SET BY COUNCIL. THREE DIRECT STAFF AND THE 
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DEPARTMENT TO RETURN WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR PROPOSED POLICY BEFORE FINAL ACTION. FOUR TEMPORARILY SUSPEND USE WHILE THE CITY COMPLETES FURTHER REVIEW. FIVE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO EVALUATE THE CONTRACTUAL AND OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR DISCONTINUING OR REMOVING THE CAMERAS. SIX DISCONTINUE USE SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, AND SEVEN TAKE ANY OTHER ACTION COUNCIL DETERMINES APPROPRIATE. I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO ADOPT OPTION SIX AND DISCONTINUE THE PROGRAM. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED. HEINS. OHEINZ. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE IT? I HAVE IT HERE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HEINZ GRETHER. I AM AN ATTORNEY. 
          I WAS AWARDED THE AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE AWARD IN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, AND I WROTE ON TO THE HARVARD JOURNAL OF LAW AND PUBLIC POLICY. I'M ALSO A TAXPAYING PROPERTY OWNER IN LAGO VISTA. I COULD NOT BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON, SO I HAVE ASKED SOMEONE TO READ THIS TO THE COUNCIL ON MY BEHALF THROUGH THESE WORDS, TO DEMAND THAT THE CITY REMOVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE CAMERAS ACTUALLY ARE. YOU ARE USING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO PAY A PRIVATE COMPANY TO GATHER AND SELL INFORMATION ABOUT US, WHERE WE GO, WHEN AND WHO WE'RE NEAR, AND MORE IN SHOCKING DETAIL WITHOUT ANY OF US CONSENTING TO IT, AND WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE OR ANY ARTICULABLE SUSPICION OF A CRIME. THAT'S A DRAGNET EVERYONE TREATED AS A SUSPECT ALL THE TIME. NOT THE GUILTY. ALL OF US. THESE AREN'T ORDINARY SECURITY CAMERAS. 
          FLOCK READS AND RECORDS THE PLATE, MAKE, MODEL, AND COLOR OF EVERY VEHICLE THAT PASSES AND KEEPS THAT HISTORY. DRIVE TO A CHURCH, A DOCTOR, A PROTEST, A PASTOR'S HOME, AND A COMPANY YOU NEVER HIRE NOW OWNS A TIMESTAMPED RECORD OF IT THAT DOESN'T STAY IN LAGO VISTA. 
          FLOCK SHARES PLATE READERS ACROSS THE NATIONAL NETWORK OF THOUSANDS OF AGENCIES, SOMETIMES WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITY, SOMETIMES WITHOUT LOCAL OFFICIALS KNOWING. AND HERE IS WHAT TROUBLES ME MOST. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS THERE ARE SERIOUS SAFETY RISKS IN THIS COMMUNITY. RATHER THAN ADDRESS THOSE REAL PROBLEMS, THE DECISION WAS TO SURVEIL EVERY ONE OF US INSTEAD. THAT IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT IS WATCHING THE INNOCENT WHILE THE ACTUAL DANGERS GO UNMET. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. FIRST, REMOVE THE CAMERAS. 
          SECOND, ANY CANCELLATION OR TERMINATION COSTS SHOULD COME OUT OF THE BUDGET OF THE DEPARTMENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DECISION, NOT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS THE REST OF US PAID INTO. THIRD, DISCLOSE EXACTLY WHO AUTHORIZED AND PUSHED THIS BY NAME SO THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS CAN BE HELD PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE UP TO, AND INCLUDE PERSONAL LIABILITY FOR TRANSGRESSING ON THE NATURAL, HUMAN AND CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SWORN TO SERVE. AND THIS ANY CITY OFFICIAL, ELECTED OR UNELECTED WHO SUPPORTS THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS SHOULD HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER THAT ANY CITIZEN IS FREE TO ACCESS INFORMATION RELATING TO THEM, THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS. WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER ONLY THE GANDER NEVER SIGNED SUCH A WAIVER. YOU MAY NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY CORRUPTION, BUT YOUR LIVES SHOULD BE AS TRANSPARENT TO THE CITIZENRY AS YOU SEEK TO MAKE THE LIVES OF THE CITIZENRY TRANSPARENT TO BIG BROTHER. REMOVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO REMIND THAT THE FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM THAT WE BROUGHT UP WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MASS SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE AND INITIATED. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY FAIR TO SORT OF WORK WITH YOU ALL AND ALSO KIND OF HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON HIS FIRST PASS AT READING THAT. AND IF THE REST OF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY GIVING HIS FEEDBACK ON THAT, THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE HIM DO THAT. MR. BENEFIEL, WERE YOU GOING TO READ IN THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM ABOUT THE FLOCK CONTRACT? YES. IT'S IN THE ACTION ITEMS. 12.4. ITEM 124 CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF FLOCK SAFETY. AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          SO. THERE COULD VERY WELL BE A VOTE TONIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. PRACTICE. CAN I GIVE BRAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE HIS FEEDBACK ON THE MASS SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE FIRST? AND THEN I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO I BELIEVE, VIRGIL, YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THAT. YES, SIR. AFTER YOU HEAR FROM BRAD, I WAS GOING TO BRING YOU BACK UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. LET 
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ME START WITH TURN ON MY MICROPHONE HERE. SO I UNDERSTAND. THERE WE GO. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, CITY SECRETARY HAS CERTIFIED THE INITIATIVE ORDINANCE AND THE INITIAL PETITION. BEFORE I GET INTO ANY DISCUSSION, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, I WANTED TO, WITH THE COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, EXPLAIN JUST WHAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES AND KIND OF WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. SO ONCE THE CITY RECEIVES A A CERTIFIED INITIATIVE PETITION, WHICH REQUIRES THE SIGNATURES OF AT LEAST THREE QUALIFIED, I'M SORRY, FIVE QUALIFIED LAGO VISTA VOTERS. THEN FROM THAT DAY OF CERTIFICATION, THEN THE PETITIONERS HAVE 45 DAYS FROM THAT DATE TO GATHER THE NECESSARY SIGNATURES THAT. AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 10% OF VOTERS FROM THE LAST ELECTION. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE ASCERTAIN THAT 10% BY LOOKING AT THE LAST ELECTION TOTAL NUMBER AND CALCULATING THE 10%. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT THEY HAVE TO HIT. IF THEY DO THAT, THEN THEN THE COUNCIL UNDER THE CHARTER THEN HAS 30 DAYS AFTER THAT TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT PROPOSED INITIATIVE ORDINANCE. BUT THE ONLY ACTION THAT COUNCIL CAN TAKE ON THAT IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT IT WITHOUT AMENDMENT. AND AND IF YOU DON'T ADOPT IT WITHOUT AMENDMENT, THEN THAT HAS TO BE PUT ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE UNIFORM ELECTION DATE. SO FROM THE DATE THAT WE RECEIVED THE FIRST THE THE COMPLETE INITIATIVE PETITION WITH THE WITH THE WITH THOSE SIGNATURES THAT WERE ABLE TO BE VERIFIED. 
          THE CHARTER HAS A 45 DAY AFTER THAT, THEN PLUS A 30 DAY AFTER THAT REQUIREMENT, BEFORE THAT MATTER COULD BE PUT ON THE NEXT UNIFORM ELECTION DATE. THAT 45 DAYS PLUS THE 30 DAYS PUTS US WELL BEYOND THE DEADLINE TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR THIS NOVEMBER, THE DEADLINE TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR THIS NOVEMBER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS AUGUST 17TH. SO 45 DAYS PLUS 30 DAYS PUTS US BEYOND THAT. SO WE CAN'T CALL UNDER YOUR CHARTER. YOU CAN'T CALL AN ELECTION FOR THIS INITIATIVE ORDINANCE, ASSUMING THEY GET THE NECESSARY PETITION NUMBERS UNTIL THE NEXT UNTIL THE MAY ELECTION. THAT'S THE EARLIEST UNDER YOUR CHARTER. THAT'S THE EARLIEST UNIFORM ELECTION DATE ON WHICH THAT COULD BE HELD, ASSUMING COUNCIL DOES NOT ADOPT IT WITHOUT AMENDMENT IT. THE OTHER OPTION THE COUNCIL HAS IS THAT IF IT DOES NOT PUT THAT. IF IT DOESN'T ADOPT THAT WITHOUT AMENDMENT, THEN IT MAY ALSO PUT UP AN ALTERNATIVE ORDINANCE AND GIVE THE VOTERS A CHOICE BETWEEN THE INITIATIVE ORDINANCE TO BE ADOPTED AS IS, OR THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZED OR DRAFTED VERSION. AND THEN THE VOTERS WOULD VOTE ON THOSE TWO. THE CHARTER AND THE CHARTER IS SILENT ON WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY ADOPT BOTH. SO WE'LL HAVE TO WE'LL WE'LL BURN THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT. BUT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPINION TODAY ON THAT. BUT BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THE CHARTER LAYS OUT. SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN DEADLINES IN THE CHARTER THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. AND AND THAT'S THAT PROCESS GOING FORWARD. NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, THE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO, TO, TO PASS ORDINANCES RELATED TO FLOCK CAMERAS. YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT UP AN ORDINANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME AND, AND DRAFT IT AND THE WAY IT LOOKS AND, AND WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY AND YOU CAN YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON THAT TOPIC. NOW, THE COROLLARY TO THAT IS THAT IF THE INITIATIVE ORDINANCE DOES NOT PASS AT THE ELECTION, IN WHAT WOULD BE MAY THEN THEN ANOTHER INITIATIVE ORDINANCE ON THAT SAME TOPIC CAN'T BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR ANOTHER YEAR. AND IF YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH PETITION SIGNATURES WITHIN THAT 45 DAY PERIOD, YOU CAN'T BRING FORTH ANOTHER INITIATIVE ORDINANCE ON THAT SAME TOPIC FOR A YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN YOUR CHARTER AS AS IT STANDS TODAY. NOW, WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, THE INITIATIVE ORDINANCE THAT WE RECEIVED DOES A FEW THINGS. AND THE FIRST QUESTION THAT THAT I, YOU KNOW, WANT TO ANSWER IS, CAN A CITY BAN THE USE OF FLOCK, CAM OR FLOCK? I'M GOING TO SAY FLOCK CAMERAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS WITHIN ITS 
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CITY LIMITS. AND THE ANSWER IS YES, THE YOU ARE A HOME RULE CITY. AND AS MAYOR SAM HAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAS ALREADY, ON A STATE LEVEL, BANNED RED LIGHT CAMERAS AND, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TYPES OF THINGS. AND, AND THERE IS NO STATE MANDATE THAT YOU ADOPT OR USE FLOCK CAMERAS. AND SO UNDER, UNDER, YOU KNOW, THE LAW THAT'S APPLICABLE TO A HOME RULE CITY, YOU CAN PASS ANY LAW FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DETERMINE THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THAT IS NOT PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW. STATE LAW DOESN'T COVER THIS. SO YOU HAVE THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS FOR FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. NOW, THE THE ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE GOES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT. AND THAT'S THOSE ARE THE POINTS THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT. IT ALSO PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM USING, QUOTE, FACIAL RECOGNITION, FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY THAT, QUOTE, CAPTURES RECORDS, STORES, OR ANALYZES THE LOCATION OR MOVEMENTS OF VEHICLES OR INDIVIDUALS ON PUBLIC ROADS OR IN PUBLIC SPACES WITHOUT A WARRANT OR INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION, END QUOTE. IT'S TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO AS IT RELATES TO THAT PORTION OF THE LANGUAGE, THESE ARE THESE ARE THE LEGAL CONCERNS FROM A FROM A STATUTORY INTERPRETATION STANDPOINT THAT I WOULD HAVE WITH THAT. FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO UNIFORM, THERE'S NO UNIFORM DEFINITION FOR FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. IT'S NOT A TERM OF ART THAT'S RECOGNIZED IN THE LAW. AND THE THE ORDINANCE ITSELF DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY DEFINE WHAT CONSTITUTES FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD ENCOMPASS. DOES IT ONLY REFER TO IDENTITY VERIFICATION OR IS IT BROADER? AND DOES IT ALSO REFER TO FACE DETECTION? SO FACE DETECTION IS JUST, YOU KNOW, FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY THAT RECOGNIZES A FACE, BUT NOT MAYBE NECESSARILY AN INDIVIDUAL. WELL, WE USE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY IN OUR MEETINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO POINT I'M POINTING AT THE TV HERE. WHEN PEOPLE ZOOM IN, IF THEY BLUR THEIR BACKGROUND, THE WAY YOU BLUR THE BACKGROUND AND NOT THE FACE IS THAT IS THAT THAT PROGRAM IS RECOGNIZING THERE'S A FACE AND I'M GONNA BLUR WHAT'S BEHIND IT. 
          SO THE LACK OF DEFINITION RELATED TO WHAT CONSTITUTES FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT SOMEONE CAN'T ZOOM IN AND BLUR THEIR BACKGROUND? I DON'T KNOW, I'M BUT BUT THAT THAT THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE IS IT'S IT'S IT'S UNCLEAR. THE NEXT ISSUE IS THE TERM PUBLIC SPACES IS NOT DEFINED. DOES IT ONLY REFER TO CITY OWNED PROPERTY PROPERTY, OR DOES IT ENCOMPASS PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE THE PUBLIC MAY GO PARKING LOT STORES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT LACK OF CLARITY, AGAIN, LEADS TO DIFFICULTY IN ENFORCEMENT. 
          BECAUSE THE AND, AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO HERE IS I'M GOING TO TAKE THE THIS LANGUAGE AT ITS BROADEST, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WHEN WE CONSIDER ITS BROADEST APPLICATION, THAT'S KIND OF THE OUTER AMBIT OF, OF THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT IT COULD COVER. AND I THINK THE BROADEST IS BECAUSE IT REFERS TO THE CAPTURE OF INDIVIDUALS IN PUBLIC SPACES. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS HERE AND DOES, DOES THIS WOULD THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE BAN THE USE OF SECURITY CAMERAS IN CITY HALL? IS THERE A PUBLIC INTEREST IN USING SECURITY CAMERAS IN CITY HALL? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THAT THE LACK OF DEFINITIONAL CLARITY SUGGESTS THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S CAPTURED WITHIN THE AMBIT OF THIS ORDINANCE. THAT'S PERHAPS UNINTENDED. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT, WHICH ARE PERHAPS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THE NEXT IS THE USE OF THE TERM INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION. SO THAT IS A TERM OF ART. AND THE SUPREME COURT USES IT, BUT IT DOESN'T DO SO IN THE CONTEXT OF AN EVIDENTIARY MINIMUM STANDARD. 
          LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLE CAUSE OR REASONABLE SUSPICION. THOSE ARE ARTICULATED STANDARDS WHICH SET FORTH A MINIMUM LEVEL OF EVIDENCE OR ARTICULATION OF, OF SUSPICION OF A CRIME OR AN INDIVIDUAL OR SOMETHING THAT THAT IS KIND OF WELL UNDERSTOOD BY COURTS. INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION SIMPLY MEANS IS THERE. DOES THIS POINT OUT AN INDIVIDUAL? DOES THIS PERTAIN TO AN INDIVIDUAL? CAN YOU ARTICULATE SOMETHING? BUT WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING? WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF THAT SOMETHING? THE COURTS DON'T USE THE TERM INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION TO 
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TELL US WHAT THAT LEVEL MEANS. SO AGAIN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF OF, YOU KNOW, LACK OF CLARITY. THAT ALSO MEANS THAT IT MAKES HERE SOME OF THE PERHAPS UNINTENDED, OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT, THAT MAKES BODY CAMERAS, POLICE WORN BODY CAMERAS AND DASH CAMS POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. SO IF IF THIS IS ADOPTED, DOES THAT MEAN THAT A POLICE OFFICER CAN'T PREEMPTIVELY START ROLLING FOOTAGE UNTIL THEY HAVE AN INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION? WELL, THE THE CITY'S POLICY ON, ON BODY CAMERAS, WHICH IS AN ADOPTED POLICY THERE THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE. IF THE CITY ACCEPTS GRANT MONEY, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS FOR THE USE OF THESE BODY WORN CAMERAS, THEN STATE LAW REQUIRES YOU TO ADOPT A POLICY. AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT POLICY IS THAT DURING THE. BASICALLY, THE ENTIRETY OF AN INTERACTION, THE BODY CAMERA HAS TO BE ON. UNLESS THE OFFICER CAN ARTICULATE A REASON FOR NOT HAVING IT ON, IT'S IN YOUR POLICY. SO THERE'S A BASELINE THAT YOU HAVE TO TURN IT ON. 
          WELL, IF I IF I HAVE TO TURN THIS ON AT THE BEGINNING OF AN ENCOUNTER, I MAY NOT HAVE AN INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION AT THIS TIME. I'M FOLLOWING THE POLICY THAT I HAVE TO TURN THIS BODY CAM ON. WELL, IF IT CAPTURES. IF SO, THEN I HAVE AN INDIVIDUALIZED SUSPICION. BUT OF COURSE, IT ALSO MIGHT CAPTURE THE PERSON STANDING BEHIND THE PERSON. WELL, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? DOES THE WHOLE THING GET THROWN OUT? YOU KNOW, THESE THESE GET INTO VERY COMPLEX QUESTIONS OF CRIMINAL LAW AND EVIDENCE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A POTENTIAL IN THAT RESPECT, THIS THIS ORDINANCE COULD BE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO BODY CAMERAS, BECAUSE WE DO USE GRANT FUNDS FOR THIS, AND WE CAN'T JUST PREEMPTIVELY TURN THEM OFF. YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ON PER STATE LAW, ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED THIS POLICY AND ONCE YOU ACCEPT THAT MONEY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER, AGAIN, PERHAPS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. AND SO WHEN AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF THE BROADEST AMBIT OF THIS PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IT SAYS, OR THE IT IS THE CAPTURE RECORD STORE OR ANALYZE, RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU USE THE DISJUNCTIVE OR THAT MEANS ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS. IF IT DOES ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THEN IT'S, IT'S CAPTURED WITHIN THE AMBIT OF, OF WHAT IS PROHIBITED. AND SO AGAIN, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE OCCUPATIONS CODE SECTION 1701.665. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE STATE LAW SECTION THAT REQUIRES A PEACE OFFICER WITH A BODY WORN CAMERA ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN AN INVESTIGATION TO KEEP THE CAMERA ON FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARTICIPATION, UNLESS IT'S DEACTIVATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH WITH CITY POLICY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S THAT POTENTIAL CONFLICT THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES, BUT BUT WHAT THESE ISSUES ALL RELATE TO THAT SECTION THAT GOES BEYOND THE LICENSE, YOU KNOW, THE LICENSE PLATE READER TYPE OF CAMERA. AND IT'S THAT FACIAL RECOGNITION, FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE OR RECORD, ANALYZE. SO THOSE ARE THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT I RAISED IN THE MEMO TO YOU ALL. AND THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO THE CITIZENS THIS PROCESS, DO THEY HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE OR CHANGE THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY PROPOSED BEFORE THEY WERE TO GO TO AN ELECTION OR WHAT THEY SUBMITTED? IS IT IT. 
          YOUR YOUR CHARTER DOESN'T REALLY SET FORTH A PROCESS. SPECIFICALLY. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, IS THAT NOW THAT THAT NOW THAT THIS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE OF A I'M SORRY, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AND CERTIFIED, THE. WHAT STATE LAW, WHAT WHAT PETITION AND ELECTION LAW JUST GENERALLY REQUIRES IS THAT EVERY YOU KNOW, THE 10% OF THE VOTERS WHO YOU KNOW, WHO SIGNED THAT PETITION, THEY ALL HAVE TO SIGN THE SAME PETITION. YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, 25 OF THEM SIGNING THIS VERSION, AND THEN WE'VE AMENDED IT, AND THEN THE NEXT 55 OR 70 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, THEY SIGN THAT OTHER VERSION. THEY ALL HAVE TO SIGN THAT SAME VERSION. SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS VERSION THAT'S BEEN CERTIFIED, EVERYBODY HAS TO SIGN FOR THIS VERSION NOW. SO SO HOW DO WE GET HOW DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, THEORETICALLY, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY, I MEAN YOUR, YOUR CHARTER, I GUESS INFERENTIALLY CONTEMPLATES THE IDEA THAT THE PETITIONER, THEY COULD WITHDRAW IT AND TELL THE CITY SECRETARY WE'RE WITHDRAWING THIS PETITION, STOP PROCESSING IT OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY RESUBMIT IT. THEY THEY RESUBMIT AN AMENDED VERSION THAT THAT THEN HAS THE FIVE SIGNATURES AND SO FORTH. AND THE CITY SECRETARY CERTIFIES THAT AS AS IS 
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COMPLIANT. AND THEN THEY GO GET THE SIGNATURES ON THAT VERSION. SO ONCE THIS PROCESS HAS BEGUN WITH THIS VERSION, THEY CAN'T CHANGE THIS VERSION. THEY'D HAVE TO BASICALLY START OVER. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S YOUR CHARTER. YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, AN ELECTION LAW. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRAD BEFORE I ASK VIRGIL IF HE WANTS TO COME UP? WELL, I GUESS JUST MISS VANESSA. SO SORRY. JUST GAMING IT OUT. IF IF THEY STUCK WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THAT VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE AND IT GOES TO A VOTE IN MAY, IS THE ORDINANCE SEVERABLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOME PORTIONS OF IT END UP BEING NONCOMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW OR PROBLEMATIC FOR OTHER REASONS, THEY'RE NULL AND VOID, BUT OTHER PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD STILL, THERE IS A SEVERABILITY PROVISION IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. OKAY. YEAH, IT DOES HAVE A SEVERABILITY PROVISION. SO SO YES, IF IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE CHALLENGED, THEN IN COURT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE A COURT WERE ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, OPINE ON IT, THE COURT COULD SAY, OKAY, THIS PART'S SEVERED OUT. BUT THE PART SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO MASS SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A COURT WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S OKAY. AND THE COURT NOW AGAIN, WHAT WHAT IT IT BECOMES VERY KIND OF MATTER SPECIFIC. LIKE WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE? WHO'S CHALLENGING IT? WHO'S GOT STANDING TO CHALLENGE IT? I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF ANCILLARY LEGAL ISSUES THAT KIND OF ARISE WITH THAT. MY GUESS IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD WOULD ARISE IN THE CONTEXT OF AN, AN ALLEGATION OF VIOLATION OF, OF THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT, THE REASON THIS HAS SOME TEETH TO IT IS BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS. A, A, AN ENFORCEMENT PROVISION AND THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISION THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE MAY BE ENFORCED THROUGH INJUNCTIVE RELIEF OR OTHER REMEDIES AVAILABLE AT LAW AND EQUITY. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BIG LONG DISSERTATION OF, OF I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING AS IT IS OF OF WHO HAS STANDING TO CHALLENGE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES. BUT, BUT BUT THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR THAT JUST A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE WAY THAT A ORDINANCE IS WHAT IT SAYS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T THINK THE CITY'S FOLLOWING IT. THE LAW DOESN'T GIVE THIS AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE IN COURT THE WAY A LAW MIGHT BE BEING APPLIED NECESSARILY JUST IN THE ABSTRACT. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT. IT COULD BE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SEEKING AN ADVISORY OPINION AND SO FORTH. THE LAW DOES CONTEMPLATE TAXPAYER STANDING CHALLENGES, BUT THE ONLY WAY YOU GAIN AND THAT'S VERY BROAD, BUT THE ONLY WAY YOU GAIN STANDING UNDER A TAXPAYER CHALLENGE IS YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC EXPENDITURE THAT YOU CONTEND IS ILLEGAL. SO IF YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC EXPENDITURE THAT YOU CONTEND IS ILLEGAL, YOU JUST SAY, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS LAW IS BEING. YOU KNOW, THE CITY APPLIED THIS. THERE MAY NOT BE STANDING FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES VERY I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE ARE. BUT BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME TEETH TO IT WITH THAT INJUNCTION, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE TO IT. AND SO THE CITY COULD BE SUBJECT TO TO, YOU KNOW, LEGAL CHALLENGES AND WHETHER THEY'RE GOOD OR BAD, LEGAL CHALLENGES OR SUCCESSFUL OR UNSUCCESSFUL, I DON'T MEAN GOOD OR BAD IN THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, IT SUBJECT. IT COULD SUBJECT THE CITY TO THE COST OF DEFENDING AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH. SO. YEAH. OKAY. VIRGIL. I FIGURED I'D GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT'S WRITTEN MAYBE BEHIND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE FROM. WELL, WE JUST GOT THE CERTIFIED BACK THE OTHER DAY. WE'RE PROBABLY OVER 150 SIGNATURES ALREADY, JUST IN A DAY AND A HALF. THE TOWN IS READY TO GO. THEY'RE DONE WITH DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE. AND THIS SURVEILLANCE BAN IS NOT JUST FOR IT'S FOR DIGITAL, NOT CAMERAS. LP'S. YOU NEED LP'S FOR TRACKING PLATES, RIGHT? SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEY GO OUT. YOU WANT TO KNOW IF THEY'RE COMING IN AND OUT. YOU'RE NOT KEEPING A DIGITAL RECORD OF THE PERSON'S FACE, OF THEIR CAR, OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR LIVES. SO THE PROBLEM PEOPLE HAVE IN LAGO VISTA IS DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE OF THEIR WHOLE LIVES. I'M PRACTICALLY MARRIED TO A DATA SCIENTIST THAT CAN TAKE THE FOOTAGE FROM YOUR FLOCK CAMERA, AND WITHIN FIVE DAYS, BUILD A COMPLETE SOCIAL PROFILE ON YOU AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE YOU GO, HOW YOU DO IT, AND WHEN YOU DO IT AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN SALES. I'M IN SALES, TOO. I KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. SO. IT'S JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE WANT IT DONE. WE DON'T WANT THAT HERE. WE HAVE NO REASON FOR IT. 
          WE HAVE THE LOWEST CRIME RATE IN THE IN IN THE STATE. WE REALLY DO. ACTUALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE STATS THAT WE WERE JUST GIVEN. SO MAKE ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED DIGITAL DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE IN LAGO VISTA. BODY CAMERAS. SURE. YOU NEED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT STATIONARY. THEY'RE NOT SITTING ON A CORNER RECORDING 24 OVER 
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SEVEN, BUILDING A PROFILE, BODY CAMERAS. LPR IS NO PROBLEM. ALPERS HELL NO. THAT IS INVASION OF PRIVACY. FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THAT. IT'S BEEN PROVEN. SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY RULED IT. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE IT OUT. I MEAN, COUNCIL HAS ALL THE FACTS IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. THEY'VE HEARD FROM SPECIALISTS. YOU'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE. I KNOW YOU HAVE FOR A FACT. SO IT'S UP TO YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO. BURN THE BRIDGES IN YOUR TOWN AND THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND LISTEN TO THEM? IT'S UP TO YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR VIRGIL? MR. PRINCE? YEAH, I ACTUALLY, I FEEL LIKE, VIRGIL, YOU ADDRESSED THE QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T HEAR. WHAT I HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY WAS CONCERNS ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE INITIATED ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. YES. AND AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE QUESTIONED IS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ABOUT BODY CAMERAS FOR POLICE? AND YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID BODY CAMERAS FOR POLICE ARE FINE. BUT WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IS THIS ORDINANCE, AS WRITTEN MAY BE PROBLEMATIC FOR BODY CAMERAS. SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS. AND I THINK FOR ME THAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO I WAS HOPING TO HEAR WAS YOUR THOUGHTS ON CAN THE THE INITIATED ORDINANCE BE TIGHTENED UP TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO ADDRESS? WITHOUT SOME OF THESE UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECTS, WHICH MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE INTENDED IN YOUR, KNOW, THEIR INTENDED. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN THE WAY IT IS. BUT THERE IS NO UNINTENDED SIDE. IS THERE ANYTHING? AND I ALREADY LISTED ONE. THE POLICE BODY CAMERAS WERE THERE. WAS THERE ANY OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THE CITY ATTORNEY SUGGESTED MIGHT COME AS A RESULT OF THIS ORDINANCE, THAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE INFLATED. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE BAN OF DIGITAL RECORDERS. NOT EVEN A CAMERA SITTING ON A CORNER. IF I MAY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO THE SECURITY CAMERAS AT MY CHURCH RECORD THINGS. IT'S ON A COMPUTER THAT IS A DIGITAL BODY. 
          CAMERAS FOR THE POLICE RECORD THINGS THAT IS DIGITAL STORAGE OF THAT. SO I'M TALKING STATIONARY DIGITAL STATIONARY. BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE DEFINITIONS, DOES IT SAY STATIONARY. IT SAYS HERE MASS DIGITAL EXPERIENCE MEANT MEANS ANY AUTOMATED SYSTEM, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS OR FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY THAT CAPTURES RECORDS, STORES OR ANALYZES LOCATION OR MOVEMENTS OF VEHICLES OR INDIVIDUALS ON PUBLIC ROADS OR PUBLIC SPACES WITHOUT A WARRANT OR SPECIALIZED WARRANT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOUR ASSERTION IS AS WRITTEN, AS WRITTEN WITHOUT WARRANT. NO, NO. AS WRITTEN, THE POLICE BODY CAMERAS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED BY THIS. AFFECTED BY THIS. THAT'S ALL I WAS. POLICE BODY CAMERAS. I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M SORRY. NO, BUT BASICALLY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT COVERS STATIONARY DIGITAL RECORDING, LIKE CAMERAS ON BOGGY LOAM AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. THIS IS CONSTANTLY RUNNING 24 OVER SEVEN, BUILDING A DATABASE OF YOU AND GOING TO AWS. YOU KNOW IT. SO OUR DATA IS BEING SOLD FROM UNDERNEATH OF IT. WITHIN 5 TO 10 YEARS, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. AND IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY AND HOW DATA WORKS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO START LEARNING BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGING ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S NOT LOOKING PRETTY FOR YOU. SO JUST LET ME, I JUST WANT TO AND I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN SO STATIONARY, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING IT BECAUSE THAT WORD IS NOT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE IT'S NOT STATIONARY. 
          IT'S NOT IN THERE. RIGHT. SO THE MASS DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE, I UNDERSTAND. SO A BODYCAM IS NOT A MASS SURVEILLANCE. WELL, A CAMERA IN A PARKING LOT IS NOT A MASS SURVEILLANCE. MASS SURVEILLANCE IS LIKE FLOC OR AXON OR WHOEVER ELSE, WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO COME INTO TOWN AND THROW A CAMERA UP ON THE CORNER. OKAY, BUT BUT I JUST FROM A FROM A FROM A FROM A, FROM A STATUTORY INTERPRETATION STANDPOINT, I THE MASS IS NOT DEFINED. AND NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ANY AUTOMATED SYSTEM, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. SO WHEN YOU INCLUDE. 
          SO FROM A STATUTORY INTERPRETATION STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU SAY WORDS LIKE INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO WHAT THE LAW SAYS ABOUT THAT IS THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LIST OF THINGS. 
          IT'S IT'S THESE THINGS PLUS ANYTHING ELSE THAT REASONABLY FITS WITHIN THIS. AND SO BY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OF THAT LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO STATIONARY THAT, THAT, THAT INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITING TO MEANS. EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE INTERPRETED MASS TO MEAN 
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STATIONARY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET THERE, BUT EVEN IF WE DID GET THERE, THAT LANGUAGE SAYS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. SO THAT'S SO IT IT'S NOT IT WASN'T THIS IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT IT MEANT STATIONARY. SO. AND, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A POLICY. KNOCK ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THIS IS JUST PURE LOOKING AT IT AS A, JUST IN A, IN A, IN A VACUUM. HOW COULD THIS BE INTERPRETED? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS BECAUSE OF THE INJUNCTIVE RELIEF THAT'S THAT'S IN THERE. THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF WE'RE GOING TO SET UP THESE THESE STANDARDS, THEN I THINK THE CITY AND THE OFFICERS AND. AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC CONDUCT THAT'S PROHIBITED. AND IF WE AND IF WE WE CAN'T CABIN THAT SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S PROHIBITED, THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIOLATE IT, AS IT SAYS IN THE INITIATIVE. I MEAN. IT GETS PASSED, ISN'T IT THE COUNCIL'S JOB TO I DON'T KNOW. SO SO THE CHARTER WHAT THE CHARTER? THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THIS THIS VERSION RIGHT HERE. NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THOSE FIVE SIGNATURES. RIGHT. IT'S BEEN CERTIFIED. THE CITY COUNCIL EITHER PASSES THIS WITHOUT AMENDMENT. SO EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, OR THE CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEN THEY CAN PUT UP A COMPETING. YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN PUT AN AMENDMENT UP WITH THAT, NOT AN AMENDMENT, A SEPARATE ORDINANCE, A SEPARATE ORDER. SO THEN THE VOTE, THEN THE VOTERS ARE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE VOTE IN. BUT WE COULD DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. WE HAVE TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE. YOU CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN YOU GET TO IT. 
          HERE'S MY NEXT QUESTION. YEAH. WITH THE VOTER COUNT ON THE CHARTER, 10% GETS YOU WHAT? ON THE BALLOT? YES. WHAT'S 15% GET NOTHING. I MEAN, YEAH, IT DOESN'T GET YOU EXTRA. NO, NOT FOR NOT FOR INITIATIVE ORDINANCES. NO, SIR. OKAY. SO HOW DO WE HOW MANY NUMBERS DO YOU NEED TO KEEP IT OFF BALANCE. JUST PASS IT IF YOU GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES. WELL, ONCE YOU. 
          PERCENTAGE OF SIGNATURES YOU WOULD NEED FROM THE TOWN WITHOUT EVEN WORRYING ABOUT GOING TO A BALLOT THAT'S NOT PROVIDED FOR IN THE CHARTER. BUT YOU CAN PASS ALL KINDS OF OTHER RULES HERE. WELL, I'M JUST WE'RE WE'RE GOVERNED BY THE CHARTERS LIKE THE CITY CONSTITUTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS A SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT'S JUST LAID OUT IN THE CHARTER THAT'S EVER BEEN DONE HERE. I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A YEAR AND A HALF. SO SO AND THAT VERY WELL COULD BE. BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE CHARTER JUST CONTEMPLATES THIS SPECIFIC PROCESS. AND SO IT GOES TO THE VOTERS. AND IF THE VOTERS APPROVE IT, THEY'RE TALKING TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT IT AND SEEING IF THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT MAYBE BECAUSE SINCE WE CAN'T VOTE TILL MAY, WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN, THE PUBLIC AGREES IF WE CAN GET IT FIXED AND DONE PROPER AND GET IT DONE, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO ANYWAY, SORRY, MR. MINNIFIELD, SIR, THANKS FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. THANK YOU. WHAT? THE MASTURBATING? YEAH. SO BESIDES THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEPLOYED, WHAT OTHER SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT OR CAMERAS ARE YOU AWARE OF? THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPANIES OUT THERE IN LAGO VISTA. IN LAGO VISTA. JUST FLOCK AS FAR AS I KNOW. SO AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR CAMERA UP ON DAWN. AND I MEAN, BUT THAT'S AN INTERNAL THAT'S AN INTERNAL SYSTEM. THAT'S NOT AN EXTERNAL SYSTEM. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CANCER IS GOING TO DO HERE TODAY. BUT IF FLOCK IS THE ONLY CAMERA THAT YOUR PARTICULAR. NO, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT FLOCK. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OTHER COMPANIES TRYING TO COME IN AND DO THE SAME THING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FLOCK GETS GETS THEIR CONTRACT CANCELED, EXXON COMES IN BEHIND THEM OR SOMEONE ELSE. WE DON'T WANT ANY MASS SURVEILLANCE HERE. NONE WHATSOEVER. FLOCK. AXON DON'T CARE WHO IT IS. THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND PROBABLY STARTING POINT. MR. BENEFIELD, SINCE WE READ YOUR AND COUNCILOR CHAVARRIAS WANTING TO THE RECORD. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DISCUSS THAT ITEM? YEAH, WE DON'T NEED TO OVERLY DISCUSS IT. I DO BELIEVE YOU WOULD NEED TO OPEN IT BACK UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD BE LIMITED. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT AMANDA AND I TALKED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE WORK SESSION ITEMS AND IF THE CONCERN IS REGARDING FLOCK, AND IF WE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT BACK IN 2022 FROM A CITY MANAGER, IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. THE IT'S REAL SIMPLE. LET'S PUT IT TO VOTE. LET'S HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL OPINE ON IT TONIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD TABLE IT AND KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S AN OPTION TONIGHT. WE CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW FLOCK DID A REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENT TODAY. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE AT OUR DISPOSAL. BUT UNTIL WE JUST PUT IT TO A VOTE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONSENSUS IS AT. AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO EARLIER IN MY QUESTIONING IS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, 
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MAY DETERMINE THE DIRECTION OF YOUR ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YOU MAY NOT HAVE A NEED TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO OR WANT TO DO AS QUICKLY AS YOU NEED OR WANT TO DO IT, PERHAPS EVEN GIVING YOU BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE A BETTER ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GET SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL. 
          BECAUSE AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY, BUT AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY, I DOUBT ANYBODY'S GOING TO SUPPORT IT. AND SO I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S TOTALLY CONTINGENT ON WHAT HAPPENS TODAY. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS A VOTE. LET'S PUT EVERYBODY ON THE RECORD ON WHERE THEY STAND. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN ALL THESE ACCUSATIONS OF, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE YOU OFF AND WE LIKE YOU. WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. 
          AND THEN BASED ON WHERE THE CARDS LIE, THEN YOU PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF ACTION ON HOW TO REGROUP. SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE POINT OF BRINGING THE ORDINANCE UP TODAY. AND I APPRECIATE MISS CHAVARRIA SECONDING THIS, BECAUSE SHE IS ALWAYS A PERSON WILLING TO MAKE A MAKE A HARD DECISION. LAST. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MR. ROBERT. I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. SO I CAME IN WITH THIS WITH A BIT OF A BIAS AND IT'S I WAS JOKING BACK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I'M A HOUSE DIVIDED. MY MY FIANCE IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF FLOCK, EVEN THOUGH HE IS A COMPUTER GENIUS AND WHIZ AND KNOWS HOW TO HACK EVERYTHING, EVEN DECOMMISSIONED FLOCK CAMERAS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT. SO WE ARE ON, ON, ON SEPARATE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM ON THAT, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE IT IS ENCOURAGED US TO HAVE VERY CANDID CONVERSATION AND DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH. WE'RE COMING CLOSER ON WHERE WE SIT, WHICH IS STILL VERY MUCH. UP FOR DEBATE AND CONTENTION. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT HERE, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO A VOTE, OR WE'LL LET YOU MAKE A STATEMENT. PUBLIC SAFETY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES DO NOT HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. THE ISSUE IS NOT SIMPLY WHETHER THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN HELP SOLVE CRIMES. IT'S OBVIOUS IT CAN. BUT WHETHER SUFFICIENT SAFEGUARDS EXIST TO PREVENT A USEFUL INVESTIGATIVE TOOL FROM BECOMING AN UNCHECKED SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM TOM MONAHAN THAT WAS BRIEFLY READ IN, AND HE DESCRIBED AT THE TIME, A LITTLE OVER 57 CITIES HAVE CANCELED THEIR THEIR AGREEMENTS WITH FLOC. HE SENT ME AN EMAIL RIGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL MEETING STARTS AND SAYS, CHECK THE CHECK THE WEBSITE. IT'S OVER 100 NOW. AND OF THOSE 100, THERE IS SEVEN THAT ARE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO I HOPE WE DO GET TO A VOTE TONIGHT. IT MAY NOT BE WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, BUT WE NEED TO PUT A PAUSE ON THIS. LET LET SOME LEGISLATION PLAY OUT, COME BACK AND REGROUP ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA. BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN GOT GOT THE PERSON SLEEPING IN THE BED NEXT TO ME, VEHEMENTLY OPPOSING ME. 
          I'M READY TO MAKE A MAKE A VOTE. CHIEF. IF I MAY MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, I GAVE MY PRESENTATION ON JULY 2ND AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS TOOL. BUT I THINK. I'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF YOU AND. TO THE. IT APPEARS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO ENHANCE THE TO INCREASE THE PROGRAM OR TO INITIATE A PROGRAM. AND THESE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT PRIVATE SECURITY, BUT I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE OF HOW THESE FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE INHIBITED THEIR PRIVATE SECURITY, THEIR PRIVATE LIVES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          THAT WASN'T THAT WASN'T PRESENT. THE 11.4 DISCUSSION POINT IS ABOUT MOVING THESE CAMERAS TO A BETTER LOCATION, WHERE THEY WOULD BE EVEN FURTHER AWAY FROM WHERE OUR RESIDENTS LIVE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MR. ROGERS HAS OR WILL HAVE ON HIS SIGNATURE, WHETHER IT'LL BE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED OR 800. BUT WE WE REPRESENT OVER 10,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT HERE. AND I'VE VISITED WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ISSUE AND ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT MR. LOPEZ ASKED TONIGHT. A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL MAKE AS A CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU ALL MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT THAT BIBLE 
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THAT YOU HAVE TO READ ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS IS, IS AMAZING. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          BUT A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT Y'ALL MAKE DON'T INVOLVE LIFE AND DEATH. THIS ONE, THIS ONE COULD MR. FIFE, WHO I THINK DID A GOOD PRESENTATION, HE SAID THAT THE WORST PART OF ALL OF OUR JOBS IS PAPERWORK. WELL, THAT'S NOT THE WORST PART OF MY JOB. THE WORST PART OF MY JOB IS WHEN I HAVE TO GO TELL SOMEBODY THAT THEIR LOVED ONE'S NOT COMING HOME. SO I DON'T WANT THIS DECISION, THIS VERY IMPORTANT DECISION THAT Y'ALL MAY MAKE TONIGHT TO BE A REGRET THAT Y'ALL WILL LOOK BACK ON SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR FROM NOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT WE CAN'T FIND BRING TO JUSTICE SOMEONE THAT HAD A VIOLENT ENCOUNTER WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBER OR FIND THEIR FAMILY MEMBER IF THEY GO MISSING OR KIDNAPED. I DON'T WANT THAT FOR YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL. SO THIS IS THIS COULD BE A LIFE OR DEATH DECISION TONIGHT. THIS IS THAT IMPORTANT. BUT I DO WANT THE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I SAID ON JULY 2ND AND WHAT I'VE JUST SAID, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE LAST THING THEY HEAR BECAUSE AS A POLICE OFFICER, I'M SWORN TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, EVEN THOSE THAT I DISAGREE WITH. AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUOTES, ONE FROM BENJAMIN FRANKLIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS. THEY WERE SO WISE, BUT THEY NEVER CONTEMPLATED FLYING CARS OR, OR MASS SURVEILLANCE OR FLOCK CAMERAS. THEY NEVER CONTEMPLATED THIS WHEN THEY MADE DECISIONS. BUT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DID SAY THAT APPLIES. AND SO IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING I SAY TONIGHT, I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THIS. THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE HAS THESE WORDS IN THERE. WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, AND THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REMEMBER FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY SOMETHING MORE, SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT, THAT TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG MEN, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU COME INTO PLAY. YOU YOU DERIVE YOUR POWERS TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS TONIGHT FROM NOT ONLY THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, BUT THE 10,000 WHO DIDN'T SHOW UP TONIGHT. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR THIS FROM ME, BOTH THE CITIZENS AND OUR COUNCIL, THAT THE LAGO VISTA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO SERVING THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE NO ANIMOSITY FOR ANY CITIZEN WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION OF THIS THAN I DO. NO MATTER HOW THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TONIGHT OR A FUTURE DATE ON THIS ISSUE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND TO TRY OUR VERY BEST TO SOLVE EVERY SINGLE CRIME WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU REMEMBER. I'M I'M HERE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS COUNCIL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, WITH WHATEVER TOOLS YOU CHOOSE TO GIVE ME. THANK YOU, CHIEF, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO PUT SOME SOME LAST CONCLUSION STATEMENTS HERE. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF BUT ALSO THOROUGH. ONE, I WANT TO ONE, ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF VOTING ON THIS. THIS IS HOW WE AS A COMPANY GET BETTER. AND WHAT NINE YEARS I THINK WE'VE BEEN A COMPANY. NO COMPANY GETS IT RIGHT AND IT TAKES EVOLUTION TO, TO AGAIN, I STARTED MY, MY PRESENTATION WITH TRUST IS HARD TO HARD TO GET, BUT IT'S EVEN MORE HARD TO KEEP. I WANTED TO MAKE SOME LAST MINUTE STATEMENTS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME FURTHER DIALOG. WELL, FIRSTLY ABOUT FACIAL RECOGNITION, I JUST WANT TO SAY FULL STOP. NO BLOCK PRODUCT HAS FACIAL RECOGNITION. SO I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND REARTICULATE THAT AS WELL, BUT ALSO STATE THAT I'VE BEEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY TECH FOR A GOOD WHILE NOW. AND SO I'VE SEEN THE EVOLUTION OF COMMUNITIES NOT WANTING BODY CAMERAS TO THEN COMMUNITIES WANTING BODY CAMERAS OR COMMUNITIES NOT WANTING TASERS TO THEN COMMUNITIES WANTING TASERS. AND SO EVERY SINGLE TOOL WITHIN PUBLIC SAFETY WILL HAVE ITS MOMENT AS, AS A PUBLIC, WE SHOULD CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE THAT TOOLS AND OUR AGENCIES ARE OPERATING THOSE IN THE MOST RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLE WAY. WHAT I AM HERE TO DO AND WHAT MY CORE ROLE AND WHAT MY PASSION IS. I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED HIM BEING IN SALES. TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT YOUR SALES REP. THAT WORKS. YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I AM IN PUBLIC AND GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS. AND SO MY CORE ROLE IS DISCUSSING WITH YOU ON WHAT THE PUBLIC POLICY BEHIND THIS TECHNOLOGY IS AND HOW YOU CAN REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITIES. AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EMBELLISHMENT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXAGGERATION, AS WE'VE SEEN HERE TODAY. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHY COMMUNITIES AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS AN UPROAR, 
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BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES, DO AND DOES NOT DO. AND THEN WE GET INTO PUBLIC FORUMS LIKE THIS. SOMETHING IS EMBELLISHED, SOMETHING IS EXAGGERATED, AND THEN WE'RE ROLLING WITH IT. I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET TO A BACK AND FORTH. AS FAR AS FACTS COUNCILWOMAN BROUGHT UP, AND I THINK THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS 62. 
          DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. THAT HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO CANCEL THEIR CONTRACTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S SENTIMENT AROUND FLOCK, WHETHER IT'S BUDGET, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT'S MAKING THE HEADLINES. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DRAW PEOPLE. RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S NOT BEING REPORTED IS WHO'S ACTUALLY HAD SEVEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTS SIGN ON TO FLOCK BECAUSE OF HOW WE WERE RESPONSIBILITY, RESPONSIBLY ROLLING OUT TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE OF OUR PRIVACY SAFEGUARDS. THERE ARE TONS OF OTHER CONTRACTORS OUT THERE WHO MAKE TECHNOLOGY WHOSE TECHNOLOGY HAS FACIAL RECOGNITION, RIGHT? WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND ON HOW WE DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY RESPONSIBLY, AND HOW YOU GUYS CAN BE EQUIPPED WITH THE EDUCATION AND DETAIL ORIENTED ANSWERS TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CONCERN. ALP OR LPR ARE NOT A NEW TECHNOLOGY. LPR HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1970S, AND SO IT'S NOT A NEW FUNCTION. AND AS IT'S BEEN STATED HERE TODAY, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THIS FOR THREE YEARS. AGAIN, I AM NOT I AM NOT HERE TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR COMMUNITIES. I AM HERE TO REINFORCE HOW OUR TECHNOLOGY AND OUR NETWORK IS CAN BE REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR COMMUNITY VALUES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO RE-ARTICULATE, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WE USE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE ENGAGING IN THIS, AGAIN, DATA CAN BE MISCONSTRUED. EVEN THE ORDINANCE WE BROUGHT UP HERE, AGAIN, LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIGITAL OVERSIGHT OR CAMERAS IS? CAN YOU NOT HAVE A RING CAMERA? CAN YOU NOT HAVE A CAMERA OUTSIDE THE GAS STATION? CAN YOU NOT HAVE A CAMERA HERE? BUT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE ALWAYS SAY, WHAT'S THE VIDEO? WHERE'S THE VIDEO? HOW CAN I PROVE IT? AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, FOR HOURS ON HYPOTHETICALS OR NUANCES. BUT I WANT TO END HERE WITH THE, AGAIN, THE, THE AMOUNT OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN IN THIS, WE LISTEN TO COMMUNITY, WE LISTEN TO OUR CUSTOMERS, WE LISTEN TO LEGISLATOR. I KNOW WE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO LEGISLATION THIS UPCOMING YEAR. 
          AGAIN, GOVERNOR ABBOTT HAS ADVOCATED FOR LPR CONSIDERING WHAT HAPPENED IN THE. IN THE AUSTIN SHOOTING, MAYOR WATSON, CHIEF OF APD. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO MAKE THE HEADLINES. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, AGAIN, I WANT TO GROUND US BACK IN REALITY AND THE IMPACT THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AT THEIR, AT THEIR POWER TO SOLVE CRIMES. A GENTLEMAN POINTED EARLIER THAT, AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT DOESN'T BECOME REAL UNTIL IT'S ONE OF US AND IT'S OUR FAMILY MEMBERS. SO WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND SPEAK TODAY. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME OR FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME HERE AND COUNCIL. I'M HERE AS YOUR RESOURCE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES. DOES TAKE A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I'M I'M DOWN IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, REPRESENTATIVE FOR A REASON. SO IF YOU GUYS NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION, FURTHER QUESTIONS, I AM YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO DO THAT. AND SO THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN PERSON AND TALK TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A SIDE QUESTION FOR ACTUALLY, CHIEF FRANCO. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE TIMELINE. SO BACK ON JANUARY 28TH, WHEN I FIRST STARTED SIGNING CHECKS, I SAW THE FLOCK CAMERAS. AS THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT, I FLAGGED IT, I GAVE IT TO CHARLES, AND CHARLES INITIAL RESPONSE WAS TO EMAIL YOU AND ASKED TO SUSPEND THE CAMERAS AND TAKE THEM DOWN. AND THEN I NEVER HEARD AFTERWARDS WHAT DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD OR WERE THEY PAUSED? WAS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH FLOCK? I'M JUST TRYING TO FILL IN THE GAPS OF WHAT CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH CHARLES AFTER THAT. 
          AND DID IT JUST FALL OFF THE RADAR? NO. WHAT HAPPENED IS I SENT IT TO CHARLES TO LOOK OVER THE CONTRACT, AND THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND THAT WE HAD TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING AFTER THAT. SO, AND I, I CAN I CAN FILL IN SOME IF YOU'D LIKE AS WELL. SO BACK IN. MARCH. YEAH. SO BACK IN AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, THE QUESTION CAME TO MY OFFICE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT. WHAT ARE THE TERMINATION OPTIONS? SO WITH COUNSEL'S PERMISSION, I CAN SHARE MY LEGAL OPINION. OKAY. SO UNDER THE UNDER THE CONTRACT. SO IN EARLY MARCH, THEN ON MARCH 3RD, IN FACT, I EMAILED YOU AND I THINK I COPIED NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST YOU AND CHARLES, I APOLOGIZE. MAYBE IT WAS EVERYBODY. ANYWAY, POINT IS, UNDER SECTION 6.1 OF THE CONTRACT, EITHER PARTY MAY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT WITH AT LEAST 30 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO THE RENEWAL DATE, WITH NO FEES AND NO PENALTIES. THE RENEWAL DATE FOR THIS CONTRACT IS NOVEMBER 2ND, 2026, SO YOU'RE WELL WITHIN THAT 30 DAY NOTICE PERIOD. YOU COULD DO THAT AND THE CONTRACT WOULD WOULD ONLY GO THROUGH NOVEMBER, I GUESS, FIRST OF 2026. AND THEN IT'S IT'S DONE. SECTION 6.2 ALLOWS EITHER PARTY, EXCUSE 
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ME, TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT FOR CONVENIENCE DURING THE TERM, AND TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE IS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON NOTICE. HOWEVER, THE CITY I MEAN I'M SORRY, HOWARD FLOCK CHARGES THE CITY A REMOVAL FEE OF $500 PER FLOCK CAMERA PER FLOCK. HARDWARE AND HARDWARE IS DEFINED AS THE DEVICE POLE CLAMPS, SOLAR PANELS, INSTALLATION COMPONENTS, AND OTHER PHYSICAL ELEMENTS THAT INTERACT WITH THEIR SOFTWARE OR WEB INTERFACE TO PROVIDE FLOCK SERVICES. AND THEN THERE'S A THERE'S A PRORATED REFUND PROVISION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE, BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY DEALING WITH FOUR CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST INVOLVED WITH WITH THAT. BUT BUT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT YOU'D HAVE TO YOU'D HAVE TO AUTHORIZE TERMINATION. YOU'D HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THAT COST, WHATEVER THAT COST TURNS OUT TO BE FOR AN IMMEDIATE TERMINATION. SO THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS THAT YOU THAT YOU HAVE UNDER THE CONTRACT. IT THE, THE, I GUESS ANY DIRECTIVE TO, TO CHARLES OR THE CHIEF AT THE TIME TO IMMEDIATELY SHUT THEM DOWN, THEY COULDN'T HAVE HAVE DONE THAT UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. CLARIFY. I DIDN'T SAY TO DO THAT. I JUST I FLAGGED IT AND SAID, THIS IS CONCERNING. THIS IS A PRETTY HOT TOPIC. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAD IT. 
          I JUST WANTED I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT THAT EVEN IF NOT THAT YOU, THAT NOT THAT YOU DIRECTED THAT, BUT EVEN SUCH A DIRECTION, THAT JUST WASN'T AN OPTION UNDER THE CONTRACT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL. SO YEAH, I JUST THAT WAS A QUESTION AND BURNING IN MY HEAD. 
          I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE WHERE I HAVE GOT STUCK ON THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION A LOT IS NOT EVEN ON THE POLICY ITSELF. AND, AND CHIEF, YOU JUST GAVE ME A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT STUCK STICKS IN MY HEAD THAT OUR POWERS ARE DERIVED FROM THE CONSENT OF THE CITIZENS. AND IT BOTHERS ME HOW THESE CAMERAS WERE INSTALLED. AND WHAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS IT WAS COMPLETELY LEGAL. IT FOLLOWED CITY POLICIES. IF MONEY WAS PUT INTO A BUDGET, THE BUDGET WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. BUT WHAT WAS MORALLY WRONG OR ETHICALLY WRONG TO ME WAS THAT THERE WASN'T THIS. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WITH CITIZENS. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL. WE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY THAT FOLKS AT THAT TIME TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT. AND SO DID WE GET THE CONSENT OF THE CITIZENS? NO. DID WE GET THE CONSENT OF THE COUNCIL? I GUESS SORT OF. I MEAN, BUDGETS ARE BIG, AND THERE WAS A LINE ITEM IN THERE AND MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE ASKED MORE QUESTIONS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T PART OF IT. BUT I THINK TO SIT HERE THREE, FOUR YEARS LATER AND TO CHECK IT OFF AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY UP, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM, I JUST THINK SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE. IT TELLS ANY OUTGOING STAFF MEMBER ON CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY, GO AHEAD, PUSH THROUGH WHAT YOU CAN, YOU'RE ON THE WAY OUT AND THEN IT MIGHT STICK. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO SEND. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, THIS ISN'T ANTI-LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THIS ISN'T ANTI GIVING YOU TOOLS. I THINK THAT THERE HAVE TO BE REPERCUSSIONS FOR SUCH UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR. AND WHETHER THOSE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HERE. THEY WORE THE CITY EMBLEM AND THEY REPRESENTED THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS VIEW IT THAT WAY. AND I THINK THE REPERCUSSIONS SHOULD BE THAT THEY SHOULD BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY. I MEAN, I GUESS PER THE CONTRACT, AS QUICK AS WE COULD. AND I DO HOPE THAT WE TAKE AN ACTION TONIGHT. I ORIGINALLY WAS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT TAKING ANY SORT OF ACTION TONIGHT. WHILE I KNOW THE CITIZENS ARE WORKING ON A PETITION, AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR READING OUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND USING A PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT FEW PEOPLE, IF ANYBODY HAS REALLY DONE SO, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE COMMENDED. AND THANK YOU. AND SO FOR THAT, I HOPE THERE ARE A FEW MORE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT. AND I WOULD FAVOR SOME SORT OF MOTION, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T RESULT IN ANYTHING. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHERE PEOPLE STAND. MR. HALL, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT IT'S AT TIMES LIKE THIS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TRYING TO GUESS WHAT DOES OUR POPULATION, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS WANT? AND WHEN WE'RE HEARING FROM, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED OR 200 OR 300 ANGRY PEOPLE ABOUT SOMETHING, IS IT JUST THOSE 300 AND TO THE OTHER OR THE OTHER 9000 OR 10,000 REALLY WANT IT? I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND THEY'VE SAID, OH, I THINK THEY'RE OKAY. BUT BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN I WISH THAT THE CITIZENS HAD SOME SORT OF BUTTON TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST, AND WE COULD JUST PUT IT UP ON THE ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AND UP ON THE MONITOR AND, AND SEE WHAT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE REALLY IS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN'T BE HACKED. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST THE THAT'S JUST A FACT OF, OF, OF OUR LIFE. AND AS AI GETS SMARTER, IT'S AND I'VE BEEN READING SOME ARTICLES FROM MIT AND RECENTLY THAT JUST REINFORCES THAT 
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THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE HACKED. AND SO THAT THAT FURTHER JEOPARDIZES OUR LIBERTIES. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE COUNCIL FINDS ITSELF DISCOVERING. BUT THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING KIND OF HIDDEN AND, YOU KNOW, A LINE ITEM IN THOUSANDS OF LINE ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE WE JUST WEREN'T AWARE OF. SO IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO MAKE ONE TONIGHT. MISS VANESSA. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL BE TRANSPARENT. I'M CONFLICTED. I'M A LAW ENFORCEMENT SPOUSE, HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BOTH ACTIVE AND RETIRED AND AT CERTAIN TIMES IN MY CAREER, WORKED CLOSELY AND COLLABORATED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, TYPICALLY AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, NOT ONLY IN THE US, BUT IN GOVERNMENTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE WE DID A LOT OF PROJECT WORK. SO I TEND TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT ARE SOME OF THE TOOLS, ESPECIALLY AS WE MAKE THESE ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT DO THEIR JOB AND DO A BETTER JOB, AND POTENTIALLY BE MORE ACCURATE IN THEIR JOBS THAT THEY'RE DOING. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, RIGHT, TO CHIEF JOY AND THE OFFICERS AND CIVILIAN IN OUR DEPARTMENT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT MY FULL SUPPORT. ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, I ALWAYS KIND OF WANT TO GO BACK TO FIRST PRINCIPLES. AND SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, I THINK IS WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY DO WE WANT TO BE? AND WE'RE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR THAT A NUMBER OF US HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH THIS KIND OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. 
          THE REALITY IS WE'RE ON A LOT OF CAMERAS AND BEING SURVEILLED ALL THE TIME THAT JUST THE WAY IT IS ALREADY, RIGHT? THAT KIND OF HORSE IS ALREADY OUT OF THE BARN. THE CRACKS ALREADY IN THE FOUNDATION IS, SOMEONE SO APTLY PUT IT. BUT DO WE WANT TO FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHER ROLLOUT OF THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY OR NOT? I FEEL LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, BY AND LARGE, IS A VERY SAFE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. SO IT KIND OF COME DOWN TO THE EDGE OF PREVENTION OF CRIME OR BEING ABLE TO, TO MONITOR THROUGH THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS TO HELP PREVENT CRIME AND KEEP US A SAFE COMMUNITY. I ALSO, THOUGH, COMPLETELY GET IT IN TERMS OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT CONCERNS, IN TERMS OF THE SURVEILLANCE CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT UP, AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF ARTICULATING THOSE CONCERNS. SO HONESTLY, I'M CONFLICTED BECAUSE I'M 100% ABOUT, NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE SURVEILLED EITHER, WHETHER IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY OR WITH STUFF I'M DOING ONLINE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A REALITY OF LIFE NOW. SO BALANCING PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT OUR POLICE THINK THEY NEED IS A TOOL VERSUS THIS KIND OF MASS SURVEILLANCE THAT WE THAT NONE OF US LIKE. RIGHT? SO I'M VERY CONFLICTED. CONFLICTED. I'LL HAVE TO ADMIT IT. SO WE MAY TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, WHICH IS FINE. BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I STAND. SO. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. MAYOR, I THINK WE FIND OURSELVES TONIGHT IN THAT VERY SCENARIO WHERE TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED PAST OUR ABILITY TO VET IT OUT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS A MOM AND AS A DAUGHTER OF ELDERLY MOMS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS MISSING, THE FIRST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEM. THAT BEING SAID, I'M ALSO A FUTURIST, WELL AWARE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE. THAT COMBINED WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITHIN BLOCK AS. AND BY THE WAY, SIR, YES, Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS, AS YOU SAY, DATA CONTROLLED AS YOU CAN. THAT BEING SAID, SOMEONE ELSE OUT THERE IS ALWAYS JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND THEN YOU EVOLVE. 
          THIS ROLLED OUT. IT WAS OBVIOUS WHEN YOU READ THE CONTRACT, WHEN IT SAYS THE SIGNATURE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CONTRACT IS OF THE CITY FOR WHICH THIS CONTRACT WAS MADE. SO IT WAS A LARGE ROLLOUT. WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE CONTRACT, IT DOES ALLOW FOR SHARING BEYOND WHAT I WOULD DEEM. I CAN TELL YOU, KNOWING MY FELLOW COUNCILORS UP HERE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT APPROVE IT TODAY AS WRITTEN. ON THAT ALONE, I FEEL THAT THE CONTRACT NEEDS TO BE DISSOLVED OR STOPPED. I THINK THAT THE REALITY OF WHAT CHIEF FACES TODAY, PARTICULARLY, I'M GOING 
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TO SAY ALONG THE LINES OF OF SILVER ALERTS, WHETHER THAT BE A TOOL AS DARCY OR GOOD COMMUNITY FRIEND, WHICH IS OUR ALERT LOGO SILVER RIGHT OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY, SOMETHING MORE BROAD, MAYBE SOMETHING MORE DEFINED WITHIN THE TECHNOLOGY REALM THAT DOESN'T VIOLATE WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT HERE. BUT I THINK WE NEED JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO ON THAT, AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE. THE SIDE BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE IT, CHIEF, YOU SEE LIVES ON THIS SIDE, I'LL JUST SAY THE ABILITY, IT MAY NOT BE FLOCKED, BUT JUST SYSTEMS LIKE IT AT SOME POINT. IS GOING TO HAVE SOME MAJOR CONSEQUENCES BEHIND IT. AND WITH THAT, CAUTION IS WARRANTED. AND IT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH TODAY THAT SETS THAT OUT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I JUST REMEMBER MR. BENEFIELD SAID WE SHOULD OPEN THIS ITEM UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HEARD ON THIS TOPIC. SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPECIFICALLY SPEAK ON THIS ITEM 12 FOR. OKAY, I SAW GENE HARRIS FIRST. THIS WILL BE REALLY FAST. MY NAME IS GENE HARRIS. I THINK I FORGOT TO SAY THAT BEFORE. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY TEN 000 RESIDENTS ARE OKAY WITH THIS IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE CAMERAS WERE IN USE. I DIDN'T KNOW. AND YOU HAVE YOURSELF SAID IT KIND OF GOT SLID THROUGH. IT SOUNDED LIKE BEING SURVEILLED BY PRIVATE CAMERAS IS AN ISSUE SEPARATE FROM GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE. JUST BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING NOW DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY. AND TO HEAR, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE COMMENTS TO THAT EFFECT. IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. I'M NOT DENYING THAT. BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING DOESN'T MEAN IT'S OKAY OR IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU DAVID. HE IS SO TALL. I'LL NEVER LIVE UP TO HIS EXPECTATIONS. DAVID. A COUPLE MORE NOTES FROM THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE LAST TIME. 
          THE FACE DETECTION, THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND EVERYTHING. THAT WOULD BE CRAZY IF LAGO VISTA HAD SOME ORDINANCES WITH VAGUE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDED FIXING LATER. THAT WOULD JUST BE INSANE. ANOTHER TOPIC WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES VIOLATING THE FOURTH IN OTHER WAYS, LIKE AT 245 IN THE MORNING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN THE POLICE WERE TRESPASSING ON MY PROPERTY WITHOUT A WARRANT FOR WHEN I APPROACHED THEM, IT WAS, OH, WE'RE DOING NOTHING. 
          OH, NEVER MIND. WE'RE JUST WE'RE SURVEILLING, WE'RE PATROLLING. OKAY, WELL, AT LEAST WE HAVE RULES THAT SAY WE NEED OUR DASH CAMS AND OUR BODY CAMS ON, BUT WE DON'T FOLLOW RULES. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH GUIDELINES. THEY WERE ALL OFF. SO THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST SAID MEH. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE CAMERAS. IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. WE SAW WE HAVE AUDIO. DAMN, THAT'S CRAZY HOW RULES AREN'T FOLLOWED SOMETIMES. AND NO ANIMOSITY IS GREAT AND ALL TO YOUR POINT, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT BELIEF. AND IF THE RETALIATION THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE CITY, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, I MEAN TWO YEARS AGO WITH FIRE MARSHALS, OFFICERS, CITY MANAGERS, WHEN A ROGUE ACTOR COMES IN WITH AN AGENDA, THEY WILL USE WHATEVER TOOLS ARE AT THEIR ARSENAL. YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON. AND THE PROBLEM WITH BEING A GOOD PERSON IS YOU DON'T REALIZE JUST HOW HOW MALICIOUS PEOPLE CAN BE. THEY WILL USE TOOLS, WHATEVER THEY ARE, MAN ONE SEARCH. FIND EVERYTHING. IT IS FLOCK NOVA, NOT A FLOCK PRODUCT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE LPR PRODUCT. GOT THAT? BUT ANYWAYS, OPEN SOURCE OSINT TOOLS. JUST LOOK AT THEIR OWN WEBSITE. IT SAYS IT THERE. ANYWAYS, IF WE WERE TO BRING THIS BACK FOR CONSENSUS AND WE FOUND OUT THAT 51% OF THE RESIDENTS WERE ACTUALLY, I WANT TO BE SURVEILLED, THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY HONEST. THAT'S AWESOME. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I WOULD MOVE AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FOR ME. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. SO AND ON THE POINT OF IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING TO A FEW HUNDRED, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE. AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE AREN'T ALL THE TIME SPEAKERS. AND I KNOW AT LEAST JESS, YOU KNOW, VERY PERSONALLY, WHEN TESSERA HAD ISSUES, THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO CAME IN. AND YOU'RE ON COUNCIL NOW BECAUSE IT WAS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I DECIDED TO THROW IN MY HAT AND RUN FOR 
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COUNCIL THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WHY ARE WE NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE? SO EVEN IF IT'S JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED, SOMETIMES THAT'S BECAUSE ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED HAVE THE CONTEXT AND THE BACKGROUND AND THE EXPERIENCE. WHAT OR THE TIME TO STAND UP FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO 10,000 PEOPLE NOT HERE. THAT'S CONVENIENT. THAT'S WHY THE 10% RULE WORKS. AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS ALREADY THERE. I SAID THIS LAST YEAR, I'M RUNNING AGAIN. GOVERN YOUR GOVERNMENT EBBS. JUST FOR STARTERS. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE UP HERE WHO HAVE LOVED ONES WHO ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, I HAVE LOVED ONES IN MY FAMILY THAT ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. MY STEPMOTHER WAS A MP, A MILITARY POLICE. SHE'S A VETERAN. AFTER SHE CAME OUT OF THE PROGRAM, SHE WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. ULTIMATELY, SHE RESIGNED BECAUSE OF THE MASS CORRUPTION THAT WAS HAPPENING WITHIN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. SO AND AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS A FORMER POLICE OFFICER, I KNOW THAT SHE IS ALSO ADAMANTLY AGAINST FLOCK. BUT SPEAKING OF ORDINANCES, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THIS BILL THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. IT'S H.R. NINE 800, JUST COPIED AND PASTED IT. I DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING WEIRD TO IT. IT'S TO PROHIBIT FEDERAL AGENCIES FROM PURCHASING OR ASSET ACCESSING, ACCESSING AUTOMATED SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS THAT IDENTIFY, TRACK OR RECORD INDIVIDUALS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, JULY 21ST, 2026. MR. BURCHETT INTRODUCED THE FOLLOWING BILL, WHICH WAS REFERRED TO AS A COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, A BILL TO PROHIBIT FEDERAL AGENCIES FROM PURCHASING OR ACCESSING AUTOMATED SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS THAT IDENTIFY, TRACK OR RECORD INDIVIDUALS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BE IT ENACTED BY THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED SECTION ONE SHORT TITLE. THIS ACT MAY BE CITED AS THE PROTECTION AGAINST MASS SURVEILLANCE ACT. SECTION TWO PROHIBITS A. FEDERAL AGENCIES. 
          NO FEDERAL AGENCY MAY PURCHASE, DEPLOY, OPERATE, ACCESS OR CONTRACT FOR ANY AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE SYSTEM THAT IDENTIFIES, TRACKS OR RECORDS INDIVIDUALS THROUGH ANY OF THE FOLLOWING A OR ONE AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEM, INCLUDING FOX SAFETY FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGY THAT USES BIOMETRIC IDENTIFICATION, INCLUDING FINGERPRINT, IRIS, RETINOL, VOICE, GAIT, OR OTHER PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE BIOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS. FOR ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT CAPTURES, ANALYZES OR RETAINS A PERSON'S IMAGE, LIKENESS, OR OTHER PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION. IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONDUCTING PERSISTENT OR MASS SURVEILLANCE. STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS A STATE, LOCAL OR TRIBAL GOVERNMENT MAY NOT USE FEDERAL FUNDS TO PURCHASE, DEPLOY, OPERATE, ACCESS OR CONTRACT FOR ANY AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT IDENTIFIES, TRACKS, OR RECORDS ANY INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THE SYSTEMS OR TECHNOLOGIES DESCRIBED IN THE PARAGRAPHS. 
          COLLECTION OF DATA DELETION THE HEAD OF ANY FEDERAL AGENCY THAT OBTAINS DATA IN VIOLATION OF SECTION TWO A SHALL DELETE SUCH DATA NOT LATER THAN 30 DAYS AFTER IT IS OBTAINED. B AND ADMISSIBILITY ANY DATA OBTAINED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN VIOLATION OF SECTION TWO A MAY NOT BE ADMITTED INTO EVIDENCE IN ANY COURT OR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING. ALSO LATER ON IN LATE JULY, THOMAS MASSIE ANNOUNCED I WILL SOON BE SPONSORING A BILL TO WITHHOLD FEDERAL MONEY FROM MUNICIPALITIES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT DEFEND FLOCK AND OTHER STYLES OF CAMERAS TO SURVEIL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. I DON'T REALLY THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO LOSE OUT ON ANY FEDERAL FUNDS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DARCY? HELLO. HELLO, COUNCIL. SO THIS IS ABOUT MOVING THE FLOCK CAMERAS, CORRECT. THIS IS THE OTHER OR THIS IS THE ACTUAL ACTIONABLE ITEM THAT WE COULD WELL TAKE ACTION ON THE CONTRACT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE THEM AND GET T DOT'S APPROVAL, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY ACTUALLY HAVE EVEN HAD GOTTEN YET. AND THEY DIDN'T GET THAT EITHER IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY PUSHED THIS THROUGH IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. OKAY. SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO GET OUR MOST TRAVELED ROAD WITH THESE SECURITY CAMERAS. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR MOST TRAVELED ROAD WITH THE SECURITY CAMERAS FOR YOUR ALMOST FOUR YEARS AFTER WE'VE HAD THE CAMERAS. AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACT, 2.5.2, IT SAYS ONLY FLOCK CAN MOVE OUR CAMERAS. 
          NOT THEM, NOT ANY OF US, NOT ANY OF OUR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. ONLY FLOCK CAN MOVE THEM. SO EVEN IF THEY GOT T DOT'S APPROVAL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO FLOCK AND YOU'RE 
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GOING TO PAY TO MOVE THOSE. AND THEY'RE ALSO NOT SET IN BREAKAWAY POSTS. THEY'RE SET IN CEMENT, WHICH IS VERY DANGEROUS. AND IF YOU'RE PUTTING THOSE ON 1431, NOT IN A BREAKAWAY POST. 
          SO WHEN A CAR HITS IT, IT BREAKS AWAY AND IT'S SET IN CONCRETE. AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE GETTING LAWSUITS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MR. BENEFIEL. SO WHEN I WAS GETTING DRESSED FOR CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT, I ASKED MY WIFE WHAT I SHOULD WEAR AND SHE SAID, WELL, MAKE SURE YOU WEAR SOMETHING NICE. SO WHEN THEY POST VIDEOS OF YOU TALKING, YOU AT LEAST LOOK GOOD. AND I SAID, SHOULD I WEAR A TIE? AND SHE'S LIKE, ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK SHANE SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER TODAY THAT WHEN THE SOUND BITES HAPPENED, BUT I'M GOING TO DO FULL CIRCLE. I'M GOING TO DO IT IN THREE MINUTES OR LESS, SAME AS YOUR CITIZENS COMMENTS. SO HOPEFULLY YOU BEAR WITH ME. I HAD THE UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE OF LIVING IN HIGHLAND, UTAH, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO ALPINE, UTAH, WHEN ELIZABETH SMART WAS ABDUCTED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL PTSD OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS JUST GUT WRENCHING. PEOPLE OUT WALKING THE STREETS. PEOPLE WALK IN THE RAVINES, ARM IN ARM, LOOKING FOR THIS LITTLE GIRL ABDUCTED FROM HER ROOM. YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS GOT BROUGHT UP, IT WAS JUST LITERALLY THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS A NATIONAL THING, BUT TO LIVE THERE AND TO EXPERIENCE IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. AND EVERY TIME IT STILL GETS TALKED ABOUT, IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL THING BECAUSE TO BE THERE AND TO LIVE, IT WAS JUST I LOVE THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHARED ABOUT MAYNOR. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HEARD IT ON TV. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE SHOOTER FOR DAYS AND SHOOTING HUNDREDS OF TIMES. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HE GOES TO MAYNOR, THEY GO TO MAYNOR, AND WITHIN TWO HOURS HE'S HE'S HE'S THERE. THEY'RE FOUND, YOU KNOW, THESE YOUNG KIDS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT A TESTAMENT OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF FLOCK AND WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A POWERFUL TESTIMONY. I SAID IT ON JULY 2ND. I WAS RIDICULED ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR SAYING IT, BUT I SUPPORT OUR NOW ACTING CITY MANAGER 100%. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS PROGRAM WAS BEING RAN BY ANY OTHER PERSON BUT HIM, I WOULD HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS, SERIOUS DOUBTS. BUT THE FACT THAT HE IS THE ONE AT THE HELM, AND HE IS THE ONE DOING THE MONTHLY AUDITS, AND HE IS THE ONE THAT TOOK THE LEVEL OF JURISDICTIONS TO THE THRESHOLDS THAT THEY ARE TODAY. AND HE'S THE ONE THAT CAN SET THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHO HAS ACCESS. I TRUST CHIEF JOY 100%, AND I GET IT. LEADERSHIP CHANGES, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS WHEN THAT DAY HAPPENS, I'M WILLING TO CHANGE MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS. BUT UNDER HIS SUPERVISION, I TRUST HIM 100%. WHEN I RAISED MY HAND AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF BRINGING IN CHIEF JOY, IT MEANT I TRUSTED HIS JUDGMENT. I TRUSTED EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS WE NEED. 
          PEOPLE IN HERE HAVE TESTIFIED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS HOW SAFE LAGO VISTA IS, BUT THEN THEY WANT TO TURN AROUND AND RID THEMSELVES OF THE VERY THING THAT MAKES US SAFE, YOU KNOW? AND SO. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A COMMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT SAID, NOBODY WANTS FLOCK UNTIL THEY NEED IT. YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO MY SECRETARY TODAY AND I, SHE SAID, OH, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST FLOCK. AND I SAID, OKAY, I WANT YOU TO WRITE DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER WHICH ONE OF YOUR KIDS YOU'RE OKAY NOT HAVING FLOCK TO FIND YOUR CHILD IF THEY GOT ABDUCTED, SHE SAYS, I COULDN'T DO THAT. WELL, WHY YOU WON'T DO IT FOR YOUR CHILD? WELL, OKAY, LET'S GO DOWN TO THE LOCAL ELEMENTARY, AND LET'S JUST PULL 30 KIDS OUT OF A CLASSROOM AND TELL ME WHICH KIDS YOU'RE OKAY. NOT HAVING THE TECHNOLOGY TO FIND THAT CHILD. I COULDN'T DO THAT EITHER. IT SEEMS LIKE SO MANY PROTECTIONS ARE OKAY FOR SOME, BUT THEY'RE NOT OKAY WHEN IT'S OUR CHILD. IT'S NOT OKAY WHEN IT'S OUR FAMILY MEMBER. YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF IN ARIZONA SAID THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT THEY COULD HAVE HAD TO FIND NANCY GUTHRIE WAS FLOCK CAMERAS. 
          I CAN'T NOT THINK ABOUT THAT AND THINK THAT MURDERS GO UNSOLVED BECAUSE THOSE MUNICIPALITIES DON'T HAVE IT. EBS AND DAVID, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD BACK IN MARCH. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT FLOCK. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS. TO BE HONEST. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT REALLY WHAT IT WAS IN JULY 2ND. YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH SINCE THEN, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING IT FORWARD. THE GUY OUT THERE, MAN, I HOPE YOU COME TO MORE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. YEAH, I'M TALKING TO YOU A LITTLE BIT 
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MORE. I, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION SEEMS TO BE ONGOING. SO I, I LOVE SPIRITED CONVERSATIONS. I GET EXCITED LIKE YOU DO. AND I LOVED EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID AND I APPRECIATE IT. SO. ME, LIKE OTHERS, I PUT OUT FEELERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT? AND NINE OUT OF TEN PEOPLE SAID THEY DON'T WANT FLOCK. THAT'S JUST WHAT IT WAS. I, I PUT OUT SOCIAL MEDIA THINGS. I, I RECEIVED EMAILS AND IT WAS JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR IT WERE LIKE, I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          I'M NOT OKAY WITH IT. BUT THOSE THAT WERE AGAINST IT WERE AGAINST IT. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT SHANE SAID, THAT NOT HAVING COUNCIL APPROVAL IN 2022 HAS CONSEQUENCES. AND I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE. I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE OF TRACY. I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE OF CHIEF BOSHEARS TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITHOUT THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL. I AGREE WITH WHAT DARCY SAID, THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO VOTE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT MISS WOLFORD SAID, THAT UNTIL THE FOURTH AMENDMENT IS GUARANTEED AND THE STATE HAS AN OPTION OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPINE, WE CAN'T ALLOW IT. AND. FOR THOSE REASONS, I. I PLAN ON TO VOTE AGAINST HAVING FLOCK IN THE CITY UNTIL THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A. THE STATE TO OPINE ON OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND TELL. THE STATE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPINE ON ITS ABILITIES, AND I PRAY TO GOD THAT NO CHILD GOES MISSING IN THIS TOWN AND IS NOT FOUND FOR THE LACK OF THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL, BUT THAT WILL BE MY VOTE. THANK YOU. I THINK THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION BACK TO CHIEF, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT THIS COULD BE A LIFE OR DEATH DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING, BUT I DON'T WANT OUR CITIZENS TO GO AWAY FEELING LIKE, OH, WE TOOK FLOCK AWAY AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE Y'ALL. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN YOU. I THINK THAT WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY WITH NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND HIDE. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF LAGO VISTA, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON 1431. I KNOW WHEN I GO TO JONESTOWN, I'M GOING TO PASS OFFICERS. WHEN I'M THERE, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I'M NOT ENTIRELY SOLD THAT THERE IS THIS DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE THAT FLOCK PREVENTS CRIME AND SAVES LIVES. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN OTHER CIRCUMSTANTIAL ARGUMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF HOUSTON HAS MORE FLOCK CAMERAS THAN ANY OTHER CITY. THEIR MURDER RATE HASN'T GONE DOWN, THEIR CAR THEFTS HAVEN'T GONE DOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF STORIES OUT THERE, JUST THE SAME AS THE PRO STORIES OF, YEAH, YOU USED THE FLOCK SYSTEM DURING THE PROCESS OF THE INVESTIGATION, BUT YOU WERE ALREADY WELL ON THEIR HEELS. YOU YOU HAD THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CAR, YOU HAD THE LICENSE PLATE. YOU KNEW THE VICINITY OF WHERE THEY WERE AT. SURE FLOCK WAS USED, BUT WAS IT THE DEFINITIVE FEATURE? I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE THAT. SO THAT'S GOING ON A LITTLE FURTHER OF A TANGENT THAN ONE. THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT AS EXTREME AS I GET WITH MY COMMENTS. BUT WHAT I WANT IS FROM YOU TO SAY, YES, IF WE GET RID OF THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, YOU'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE THROWING YOUR HANDS UP. IF YOUR KID IS KIDNAPED, I'M NOT GOING TO GET THEM. YOU GUYS HAVE TOOLS IN YOUR TOOL BELT. BEFORE FLOCK CAMERA CAME AROUND, YOU GUYS WERE SOLVING THESE CRIMES. POLICE OFFICERS ARE SOLVING THESE CRIMES. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO HEAR YOUR TAKE ON IF THESE ARE GONE, WHAT YOU STILL HAVE, AND ARE THERE OTHER TOOLS THAT YOU COULD BE GIVEN THAT WOULD HELP YOU THAT ISN'T THIS TOOL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS LOTS OF TOOLS AVAILABLE. I MEAN, WE HAVE A NETWORK OF OFFICERS ALL AROUND US. WE HAVE PARTNERS BOTH AT THE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WE CAN UTILIZE. SO YOU IF THIS IF THIS TOOL WAS GONE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ACTIVELY SOLVING CRIMES. THE, THE VERY NATURE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND HARRIS COUNTY IS DRAMATIC, TO PUT IT MILDLY. THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH CRIME RATE AND POPULATION. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OVER 3 MILLION WERE UNDER 12,000. SO THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION IN THAT. SO I WOULDN'T POSSIBLY COMPARE US TO HOUSTON. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT 36 YEARS AGO, WE HAD FINGERPRINTS AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT. AND IT SOLVED SOME CRIMES, BUT IT DIDN'T SOLVE NEAR AS MANY CRIMES AS DNA HAS. AND SO WHEN DNA CAME, THAT TECHNOLOGY DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED, ESPECIALLY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SOLVING VIOLENT CRIMES, MURDERS AND, AND SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THE THE SOLVE RATE WENT UP DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE OF DNA EVIDENCE. AND SO I EVERY TIME WE HAVE A TECHNOLOGY ADVANCE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER. AND AS MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE A DIGITAL 
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VIDEO AGE THAT THERE'S VIDEO EVERYWHERE. AND SO ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT VIDEO EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE'S HOME RING CAMERA OR A BUSINESS SECURITY CAMERA? ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO USE VIDEO EVIDENCE EVERYWHERE. WE CAN FIND IT TO SOLVE CRIMES. 
          SO TAKING THIS AWAY DOESN'T MEAN CRIMES WON'T BE SOLVED. I JUST KNOW THAT THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. SOMETIMES IN THESE CRIMES. THE THE GUTHRIE CASE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. IN ARIZONA, THEY HAVE THE BEST MINDS IN THE WORLD, IN THE UNITED STATES, TRYING TO SOLVE THAT CRIME WITH THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION IT'S GOTTEN, AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T SOLVED IT. IF THEY'D HAD A FLOCK CAMERA IN THAT AREA, COULD THEY HAVE SOLVED IT? AND MAYBE NO ONE KNOWS. BUT IT JUST MAKES IT. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO SOLVE CRIMES. WHEN I GOT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY GAVE ME A NIGHTSTICK AND A PISTOL, A REVOLVER, BY THE WAY, AND THEY SAID, GOOD LUCK. AND NOW WE KNOW SO MUCH MORE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OC SPRAY, WE HAVE TASERS. AND THE, THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TECHNOLOGY HAS DRAMATICALLY DECREASED USE OF FORCE, INCREASED OFFICERS OR DECREASED OFFICERS BEING INJURED. AND AND SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY A TOOL THAT HAS IMPROVED IT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT. THIS MAKES IT EASIER TO SOLVE CRIMES QUICKER AND IT MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT. AND WE MIGHT SAVE A LIFE. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRYING TO SAVE LIVES. IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY SO THAT IT'S JUST ADVANCING IN TECHNOLOGY, LIKE ALL THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THANK YOU, MR. HALL. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT MY EARLIER COMMENTS WERE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO KNOW WHAT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ARE. WE ARE ELECTED TO USE OUR BEST JUDGMENT AS TO WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS. IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SIT HERE WITH US AND HEAR ALL THE ARGUMENTS, PROS AND CONS, WHAT THEY MIGHT WISH US TO DO. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ROLE I, I. 
          FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO FEEL AND TO MAKE OUR BEST JUDGMENT ON, ON WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOOD FOR OUR CITIZENS, WHAT THEY WOULD WANT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR LAGO VISTA. MR. BENFIELD SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE HERE, AND I'M AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HEAR COUNCIL, IS WHETHER OR NOT IF IT IS THE WILL TO GET RID OF FLOCK. IS IT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND PAY THE TERMINATION FEE OR IN LIGHT THAT THE CONTRACT IS OVER IN NOVEMBER TO JUST ALLOW THE CONTRACT TO RUN OUT? I'D LET THE CONTRACT RUN OUT JUST TO SAVE THE MONEY. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON. WE'VE HEARD NOT GREAT FORECASTS AND WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MONEY I CAN SAVE, I'M I'M LOOKING TO DO IT, BUT I WOULDN'T OPPOSE EITHER ONE. MR. HALL. WELL, I HAVE NO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANCELING THE CONTRACT IMMEDIATELY. AND WE'RE TALKING A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, PROBABLY. CHIEF. THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL COULD DISCONTINUE THE USE OF FLOCK IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT ANY COST. YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE COUNCIL RUN THE CONTRACT, RUN OUT, BUT WE CAN GO INTO INTO FLOCK AND WE CAN TERMINATE OUR SHARE AGREEMENT WITH EVERYONE. AND THEN IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WILL YOU TELL ME, DON'T USE FLOCK. IT'S I, I TAKE ALL THE USER ACCESS AWAY SO YOU CAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY. IT'S. IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, IT STOPS TODAY. MR. PRINCE, I. 
          THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I THINK THAT WE HEARD WAS A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS TO TERMINATE RIGHT AWAY. NOT A FEW HUNDRED, BUT, YOU KNOW, A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER. AND AND THE CHIEF JUST CLARIFIED A PATH WE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE. THERE MAY BE STILL CONCERNS ABOUT. I'LL I'LL SAY WHAT WE'RE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR FROM A LOT OF THESE CITIZENS IS THAT THIS THIS PRIVATE COMPANY WHICH IS SERVING BIG BROTHER IN THE 1984 SENSE, JUST BECAUSE WE STOPPED USING IT, DOESN'T MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST AFRAID OF, YOU KNOW. SO IF IT WAS IF IF WE WERE TO SAY WE, WE, WE HEAR THE CITIZENS, WE WANT TO STOP THIS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW. THEN I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TERMINATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER IS SMALL ENOUGH DIFFERENCE, I THINK, WHETHER WHETHER WE, WE TERMINATE WITH FLOCK TODAY OR WHETHER WE JUST FOLLOW THE CHIEF'S ADVICE TO, TO A SOFT TERMINATION. OKAY. 
          [04:45:02]
EITHER WAY, I DO WANT TO SAY THIS. SO BECAUSE I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THESE THINGS FIRST WENT IN, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE ZERO MEMORY OF US EVER DISCUSSING IT. AND SO IT WAS A LINE ITEM IN THE POLICE BUDGET. AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT FLOCK WAS AT THE TIME. SO EVEN IF I SAW IT, I WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS. AND IT WAS A SMALL ENOUGH NUMBER THAT RELATIVE TO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET, I WOULD HAVE NEVER FOCUSED ON IT PERSONALLY. SO WE NEVER HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. ON THE FLIP SIDE, I THINK CHIEF AT THE TIME AND CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, MAY REALLY IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING NEFARIOUS, IN MY VIEW. 
          I THINK WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS SAYING, OH, THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT THE POLICE CHIEF IS TELLING ME THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HELP HIM DO HIS JOB. JUST AS MUCH AS CHIEF JOY TONIGHT IS TELLING US. AND THEY DID HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AT THAT POINT IN TIME NOW. SHOULD THEY HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS SUCH A HOT BUTTON TOPIC? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION. MAYBE. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FLOCK IS A HOT BUTTON TOPIC WAS WAS NOT ON REALLY ANYBODY'S RADAR, OR AT LEAST THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THAT TIME. SO ALL, ALL THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF CITIZENS SAYING, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST SAY NO. AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I'M WITH YOU, MR. BENEFIELD, THAT IT'S A GUT WRENCHING DECISION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY THAT SOMEBODY GOES MISSING AND THE CHIEF SAID, MAN, I WISH YOU GUYS HAD LET ME HAVE SOME PLOT CAMERAS BECAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE GETTING A LEAD. THAT'S, THAT'S THE DAY THAT WE MAY REALLY REGRET OUR VOTE. BUT BUT WE ARE HERE AND THE PEOPLE ARE BEING LOUD AND CLEAR. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY CANCEL CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND PAY THE TERMINATION FEE. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BENEFIEL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. FOR COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO GIVE US A TEN MINUTE BREAK HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER. CAN I CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? YEAH, I'LL SAY SOMETHING AS WELL. IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST. 
          VIRGIL. VIRGIL. YES, I, I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER PULLING AND IT'S YOUR DECISION, BUT I HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER PULLING YOUR ORDINANCE. AND IF CONSIDER PULLING THE ORDINANCE ONLY IF THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ALL TOGETHER AND THEN MODIFY IT TO WHERE IT ACTUALLY FITS THE LANGUAGE. SO THERE'S NO ISSUES OR CONFLICT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE COULD WORK COLLABORATIVELY, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN GET LEGAL OPINION, GET IT BUTTONED UP. MY FEAR, AND YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY PROVEN TO BE VERY CAPABLE IS MY FEAR IS THAT YOU DO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT, AND IT DOES PASS, AND THAT WE HAVE A LONG LEGAL BATTLE ROAD AHEAD OF US. AND IF WE COULD SOMEHOW WORK TOGETHER SO THAT THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE TONIGHT COULD BE MORE LONG LASTING. NO, I AGREE WITH 100%. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. MR. BENEFIT AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW AFTER MR. TRAVIS FIFE, THE ATTORNEY, WENT OUT AND SPOKE WITH HIM. AND SO I'VE GOT HIS CONTACT INFORMATION AND EXPLAINED TO HIM SOME OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AND HE UNDERSTOOD KIND OF WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. AND SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THAT HE WAS GOING TO REACH I WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO HIM, AND WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COULD WE CRAFT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE, THE, THE VAGUENESS CONCERNS AND THE THAT WE HAVE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THAT I HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH HIM. AND SO HE'S GOT HE'S GOT SOME RESOURCES THAT HE CAN BRING WITH REGARD TO. YOU KNOW, PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND WHATNOT. 
          AND SO HAPPY TO DO THAT AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THAT'D BE GREAT. APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SECOND THE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND DOING WHAT YOU HAVE. AND I HEAR OFTEN ABOUT THE SILENT MAJORITY. AND MY MESSAGE TO THEM WOULD BE, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT BECOMING PART OF THE VOCAL MINORITY, BECAUSE YOU GUYS PROVED HERE TODAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH, COUNCILMAN FOR OTHERS FOR THE TO SARAH UPDATE, VANESSA TEXTED ME THAT THEY ARE FULLY PRESSURIZED AND THEY ARE FLUSHING. NOW PEOPLE HAVE WATER. YOU HAVE TO BOIL IT UNTIL WE TELL YOU TO STOP BOILING IT. HE'S GOING TO MAKE AN UPDATE HERE SHORTLY. AND SO WITH THAT 
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LET'S GO ON A TEN MINUTE BREAK . TIME IS 914. WE'RE COMING BACK FROM BREAK. THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS THAT WE COULD STILL BRING UP, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND I'M GOING TO 
          [XII.3. Consider, discuss, and take action on the draft City Charter, City Charter Ballot Language and process.]
BRING UP THE CHARTER DOCUMENT. SO ACTION ITEM 123. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE DRAFT CITY CHARTER, CITY CHARTER, BALLOT LANGUAGE AND PROCESS. I DOUBT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROVING EVERYTHING TONIGHT. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. 
          I ANTICIPATE OTHER MEETINGS BEING NEEDED. I THINK ROBERT HAD A GOOD IDEA IN THE PACKET. 
          YOU HAD A COMPARISON DOCUMENT AND THAT COMPARISON DOCUMENT, IS THIS THE ONE THIS IS THERE REALLY ARE JUST A FEW THINGS IN HERE THAT WERE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED BY BRAD, THAT MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN GET THROUGH TONIGHT SINCE IT'S LATE AND GO FROM THERE. ARE YOU ALL OKAY WITH THAT? I SEE HEADS NODDING. OKAY, WELL THEN WE'LL JUST DIVE RIGHT IN HERE. THE VERY. AND EVERYBODY HAS THIS RIGHT? YOU SAW IT IN THE PACKET. LOOKS LIKE THAT. WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? OH. 139 I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE ACTUAL PROPOSITION ONE. LET ME GO PAST THAT. IT'S 148. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GO THROUGH LINE ONE. WE'RE LOOKING AT. DEFINITIONS AS WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. REMIND ME BRAD, YOUR GREENS MEAN. I THINK IT JUST MEANS IT WAS JUST A METHOD OF HIGHLIGHTING CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE NEW. I THINK IN, IN THIS ONE THAT THAT ARE NOT IN THE OTHER ONE. AND THEN IF IT'S RED, IT'S NOT, IT WAS IN THE CURRENT, BUT IT'S NOT BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. GOTCHA. WELL, I'M GOING TO SKIP TO THE REDS THEN BECAUSE I THINK THOSE MIGHT BE SOME CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE. SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO NUMBER TEN 3.06 EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION AND DECLARED EMERGENCY, THE MAYOR MAY GOVERN THE CITY BY PROCLAMATION DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER. BRAD'S NOTE WAS THAT WE DID NOT CARRY FORWARD THAT FROM THE CURRENT CHARTER, THE MAYORAL EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION GOVERNING POWER DOES NOT APPEAR IN THIS NEW DRAFT. IS THERE ANY STATE LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? NO, SIR. IT'S IT YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS IN CHARTERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOME RULE CHARTER. IT'S IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL CITY TO HAVE IT OR NOT HAVE IT. I WILL SAY THAT IT IS A COMMON PROVISION TO, TO BE IN, IN CHARTERS. AND IT'S I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN. I'VE, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE REPRESENTED CITIES FOR 26 OF MY 31 YEARS AS A LAWYER. AND THE ONLY TIME I CAN THINK OF IT EVER BEING USED WAS EARLY IN COVID. IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S JUST THE ONLY TIME IT'S EVER COME UP. IT MIGHT HAVE COME UP ONCE OR TWICE EARLIER IN IN PERHAPS A FLOOD EVENT FOR ONE OF THE CITIES THAT I REPRESENTED. BUT I AND YEAH, AND I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T REPRESENT CITIES ON THE COAST, SO. AND SO IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT OR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE HILL COUNTRY FLOODS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY RARE THING TO ACTUALLY BE UTILIZED. THAT SAID, IT'S ALSO A COMMON, YOU KNOW, PROVISION IN CHARTERS NOW TOTALLY DISCRETIONARY. IT'S THERE OR IT'S NOT THERE. I DON'T HAVE A AN OPINION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT'S JUST IT'S A NOTABLE DIFFERENCE. AND THE REASON I CREATED THIS CHART IS, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT THE REASON I CREATED THIS CHART IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT THAT I UNDERSTAND IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN IS HOW MANY PROPOSITIONS DO WE HAVE TO HAVE? AND SO THE THE I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. I, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM THE CURRENT VERSION TO THE NEW PROPOSED VERSION. AND SO ONE OF THE, THE PROCESS, I THINK IT WAS ALSO IN THE EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU WAS THAT SECRETARY OF STATE REVIEW PROCESS THAT I DESCRIBED IN THERE. AND THE LAW PROVIDES NOW THAT THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE PROPOSITIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE. AND IF YOU DO THAT AND YOU RECEIVE BACK THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A SUBSEQUENT CHALLENGE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LEGALITY OF 
          [04:55:03]
A BALLOT PROPOSITION, THEN IF YOU FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RECOMMENDATION AND USED IT, THEN YOU DON'T EVEN IF YOU LOSE THAT CHALLENGE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PROTECTION TO THE CITY. NOW YOU ROLL THE DICE. YOU KNOW WHAT WE WE, I FORGET HOW MANY I HAD HERE, EIGHT, 15, 18, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, IF THE IF THE SECRETARY OF STATE COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, YOU NEED 58 PROPOSITIONS, WELL, THEN IT'S YOUR CHOICE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. BUT IF YOU DON'T DO IT AND IT GETS CHALLENGED AND YOU LOSE, THEN YOU CAN BE ON THE HOOK FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS AND SO FORTH. SO IT'S JUST I WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE LAW IS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF SINGLE SUBJECT, IT HAS TO BE A SINGLE SUBJECT, WHICH COURTS, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID IN THE MEMO, DEFINE BROADLY. THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, THOUGH, IS THAT IS THAT THE ANY BALLOT PROPOSITION HAS TO ADEQUATELY PUT THE VOTERS ON NOTICE OF KIND OF EVERYTHING THAT IT'S DOING. RIGHT. SO SOME OF THESE I HAD TO I HAD TO BREAK OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF TERM, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT IS THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT HAS TO BE CALLED OUT TO THE VOTERS AS A STANDALONE BALLOT PROPOSITION, EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION, POWER REMOVAL. DOES THAT HAVE TO BE CALLED OUT TO THE VOTERS? I MEAN, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND, PARTICULARLY WITH THESE RED AND GREENS, THOSE ARE THINGS WHERE THE SECRETARY OF STATE, IF YOU IF YOU I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU FOLLOW IT. IF YOU FOLLOW THAT PROCESS, SECRETARY OF STATE MIGHT SAY, NO, THESE NEED TO BE THEIR OWN BALLOT PROPOSITIONS. 
          AND HERE'S THE LANGUAGE. SO THAT SAVE US TIME TO THOUGH WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RELY ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND WHAT THEY GIVE US BACK. WE DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF PIECE THROUGH YOUR PROPOSALS OF WHAT THEY SAY. YEAH. SO THE WAY THAT THE LAW WORKS IS THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIST AND WE'RE ALL ON IT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SUBMIT IT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF THE DATE THE CITY APPROVES THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. 
          SO WE COULDN'T DO IT. WE CAN'T SUBMIT IT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE UNTIL YOU APPROVE WHATEVER THE BALLOT LANGUAGE YOU APPROVE. AND AS SOON AS YOU'VE DONE THAT, THEN THEN YOU HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO SUBMIT THAT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE. AND THEN I BELIEVE THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAS SEVEN DAYS TO RESPOND BACK. SO, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ROBIN POINTS OUT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR TRAVIS, SO SO TECHNICALLY, OUR DROP DEAD DEADLINE TO TO CALL A MEASURE IS THE 17TH THAT'S SET FORTH IN STATE LAW. TRAVIS COUNTY'S DEADLINE TO GET BALLOT LANGUAGE IN. AND EVERYTHING IS THE 14TH. NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAVIS COUNTY IN THE STATE. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW. STATE LAW IS GOING TO PREVAIL, RIGHT? SO SO IF WE FOLLOW THIS PROCESS AND IF IF LET'S SAY YOU DON'T TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO WHAT WE DO BEFORE THE 17TH, WE WE WOULD THEN SEND THAT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE. SECRETARY OF STATE SENDS THAT BACK AND THEY SAY, NO, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE. WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THAT TO TRAVIS COUNTY AND SAY WE'RE USING THE SECRETARY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE. SECRETARY OF STATE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRAVIS COUNTY, WE'RE USING THIS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY. YOU'VE MISSED OUR DEADLINE. WELL, TOO BAD WE FOLLOWED THIS STATE LAW PROCESS THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO FOLLOW. 
          I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS A NEW LAW. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'D SAY. BUT IN ANY EVENT, I JUST KIND OF WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE CHANGING AND THE PROCESS THAT I RECOMMEND THAT WE FOLLOW TO GIVE THAT CITY, THE CITY, THAT PROTECTION AND JUST FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RECOMMENDATION. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THE 17TH OF WHAT MONTH OR AUGUST OF AUGUST. YEAH. SO WE'RE 11 DAYS AWAY FROM WE'RE CLOSE. YEAH. SO SO YOU EITHER TAKE ACTION TONIGHT OR YOU HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING UP TILL AUGUST 17TH. 
          YOU CAN DO IT UP TO THAT DAY. AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, PASS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE WITH THE BALLOT PROPOSITION. AND THEN WE SEND THAT INTO THE SECRETARY OF STATE. SO YOU EITHER TAKE ACTION TONIGHT ON IT OR WE HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OR. OR YOU MISS THE DEADLINE AND THIS ISN'T ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. AND WE JUST PUSH IT TO MAY. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, THIS NEEDS MORE WORK AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO PUSH IT TO MAY. AND I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT EITHER. 
          THAT'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, VALID. I, I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE HARD WORK THAT THE CRC HAS DONE. BUT BY THAT SAME TOKEN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S A TOTAL POLICY CALL FOR, FOR Y'ALL. I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, WE'VE GOT THE TIME. BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT. HOW LONG DO I NEED TO CALL A 
          [05:00:06]
SPECIAL MEETING? THREE BUSINESS DAYS. SO SO WE SO TOMORROW WE, YOU KNOW, WE POST A AGENDA NOTICE TOMORROW. THE EARLIEST YOU COULD HAVE THAT WOULD BE FRIDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY, NEXT WEDNESDAY WOULD BE THE EARLIEST YOU COULD HAVE IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING BUT YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'D BE THE EARLIEST WOULD IF IF IT GETS POSTED TOMORROW NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT NOW I'M I'M WRONG. THURSDAY. WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY. NOW YOU DON'T COUNT THE DAY THAT IT'S POSTED. YOU DON'T COUNT THE DAY THAT IT'S POSTED. SO IT'D BE THURSDAY. SO A WEEK, A WEEK FROM TODAY WOULD BE THE EARLIEST YOU COULD DO IT. OKAY. 
          WELL, WE CAN START GOING THROUGH THESE AND SEE WHAT WE GET. IF YOU GUYS WANT ROBERT MAYOR, GOING BACK TO THE ITEM TEN, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE EMERGENCY POWERS, THE OLD CHARTER DID HAVE A PARAGRAPH KIND OF AT THE END OF ALL THE ENUMERATED POWERS OF THE MAYOR. 
          AND SO CRC DOES HAVE IN 361 E, THE MAYOR SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AS THE HEAD OF STATE OF THE CITY FOR LEGAL AND CEREMONIAL PURPOSES, AND BY THE GOVERNOR FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR ALL PURPOSES OF MILITARY LAW OR EMERGENCY POWERS. SO WE FELT LIKE WE COULD TAKE THAT WHOLE LONG PARAGRAPH OUT AND CONDENSE IT DOWN SIMPLY TO, YOU'RE THE HEAD OF STATE FOR EMERGENCY AND MILITARY MARTIAL LAW. SO IT IS COVERED. IT JUST DOESN'T USE THE WORD PROCLAMATION BY PROCLAMATION. YEAH. MR. BENNEFIELD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE HAD SOME ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES AND HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE ON THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, I, I TOTALLY RESPECT THE HARD WORK THAT THE CRC HAS PUT FORWARD TO THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I READ THROUGH THE PACKET, I, I, I FOUND IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY FOUND CONSENSUS ON VERSUS WHAT VERSION IS IN THIS DOCUMENT. I HAVEN'T SEEN A COMPLETE VERSION ALL KIND OF PUT TOGETHER IN ONE COHESIVE DOCUMENT, SO I COULD SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO THREAD TOGETHER. I, I DON'T FEEL EVEN IF WE PUSHED HARD TONIGHT AND PUSHED HARD NEXT THURSDAY, THERE WOULD BE A VERSION THAT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. AND WITH, WITH THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE BUDGET, IT WOULD NOT HURT MY FEELINGS TO PUNT THIS TO MAY. 
          MR. PRINCE YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A. AS WE WERE HAVING OUR FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY, AND I WAS EMPHASIZING HOW MUCH WORK WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THE BUDGET DONE, I MADE THAT EXACT SAME POINT TO THE OTHER FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT I. WE GOT TO GET CRACKING ON SHORING UP SOME OF THE STAFFING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. WE GOT TO GET THIS FINANCE STUFF GOING. IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE KIND OF MISSED THE WINDOW TO GET THIS DONE FOR NOVEMBER. FRANKLY, I ASK IS IF WE DO AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT THIS TO MAY, THAT WE DON'T SPEND A TON OF TIME ON IT TONIGHT. AND WE GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO THOSE MEETINGS LATER AFTER THE BUDGET. 
          SORRY, I'LL SAY THAT I'M ACTUALLY WAS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO THERE STILL SHOULD BE ACTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT THE BUDGET BUDGET IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE. AND I STILL THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BUDGET RELATED, HONESTLY. SO NOT EVEN CHARTER RELATED. SO I STILL THINK THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE MEETING NEXT WEEK. IT'S JUST I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS WHERE THE ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE AT THIS TIME. I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET, AS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T WANT IT TO GET KICKED TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. BUT WE DEFINITELY ARE ON A VERY SHORT WINDOW FOR THIS BUDGET. YEAH, MY, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE PICK THIS UP AS SOON AS WE CAN AFTER THE BUDGET IS DONE, SO THAT WE FINISH IT BEFORE A NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED IN NOVEMBER. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT LEVEL OF RESET ON THE DISCUSSION. SO SO WE SHOULD PUT, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH PRIORITY ON IT TO GET IT DONE SO THAT IT'S DONE WAY AHEAD OF THE DEADLINE FOR THE MAY DEADLINE. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. I SEE HEADS NODDING AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. THEN I THINK, 
          [05:05:01]
OKAY, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PUNT THIS CONVERSATION TO RIGHT AFTER THE BUDGET. WE CAN STILL HAVE DISCUSSION BOARD DISCUSSIONS ON THIS. AND SINCE WE'RE ALREADY ON THE TOPIC, THEN I'M READY TO CALL UP THE ACTUALLY, ANY CITIZENS WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS 
          [XI.1 & XII.1]
ITEM. YEAH. HEARING NONE. THEN I'M READY TO MOVE ON TO THE BUDGET ITEMS JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IT. AND FOR ME, THERE'S TWO. SO THERE'S WORK SESSION, ONE BUDGET WORK SESSION, AND THEN ACTION ITEMS ONE CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 BUDGET CALENDAR AND ESTABLISH DATES FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND TAX RATE. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH MR. PRINCE. HAS HE GOT SOME THOUGHTS? I'M SORRY. OKAY. I THINK I CAN TALK WHILE YOU'RE GETTING THERE. SO OUR KIND OF MINOR DISCUSSION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE REALLY NEED TO MEET AND START WORKING ON THIS WITH STAFF. I THINK THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT ROBERT WILL CONTINUE TO HELP US. WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT, AND WE NEED TO REALLY ACCEPT THE BUDGET CALENDAR TONIGHT AND HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE KEY DATES ARE. AND ONE OF THOSE FIRST THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BRAD FEELS WE'RE NOT MISSING ANY OF OUR LEGAL DATES AS OF NOW. LIKE I THINK I ASKED YOU ABOUT, WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO APPROVE THE MAXIMUM CEILING OF THE TAX RATE? SO, SO. I GUESS THERE'S THAT'S NOT I'M I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF DATES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A TECHNICAL TERM THAT'S KIND OF IN THE TAX CODE. SO I'M NOT 100% SURE OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. BUT BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT, HOW THIS WORKS. SO. WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH IS THE DEADLINE BY WHICH YOU HAVE TO HAVE DONE EVERYTHING AND APPROVED YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TAX RATE AND BUDGET AND EVERYTHING FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED TAX RATE, THEN. WE'RE LOOKING AT, LET'S SEE. THERE ISN'T A FIXED STATUTORY CALENDAR DEADLINE FOR A DEADLINE FOR A PROPOSED TAX RATE. BUT BUT THAT. SO WHENEVER YOU DO THAT THAT'S SOMETIME IT COULD BE AT THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, REGULAR MEETING THAT SETS FORTH OTHER DEADLINES THAT THEN FOLLOW. SO AS LONG AS THAT IS DONE AT AN UPCOMING MEETING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SPECIAL MEETING, IT COULD BE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, THEN YOU'RE WITHIN THAT, THAT STATUTORY BOUNDARIES. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, THAT THAT'S THE CEILING THAT FORCES AN ELECTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO, THEN THAT HAS TO BE DONE NO LATER THAN THE 71ST DAY BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, WHICH IS MONDAY, AUGUST 24TH. SO, SO IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT, THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT'S NOT A REAL DEADLINE. IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. AND THEN SO I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE WEREN'T. AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE EVEN FROM WHAT MINOR DRAFT THAT WE'VE SEEN, WE WERE LOOKING AT GOING UP TO THE VOTER RATE BECAUSE THAT WE'RE AT $0.42 NOW. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS A LITTLE OVER $0.45. SO HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, BRAD, WHICH SO IN THE THE TAXATION DOCUMENTS, THERE'S A VOTER APPROVAL RATE, BUT IT'S CALLED THE UNADJUSTED VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AND THEN THERE IS THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE ADJUSTED FOR UNUSED INCREMENT RATE. AND THAT'S A VERY HIGH NUMBER BECAUSE FRANKLY, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THE WAY THIS WORKS AT THE STATE LEVEL OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, BECAUSE THE TAX RATES WE SET WERE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. THEY BASICALLY THE STATE PUTS THAT IN A BUCKET ON THE SIDE AND SAYS, IF YOU DECIDE TO USE IT, YOU CAN YOU CAN USE THIS STUFF THAT YOU DIDN'T USE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. AND SO WE'VE KEPT OUR TAX RATES ACTUALLY PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY LOW OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND SO THE UNUSED INCREMENT IS A VERY LARGE NUMBER. AND SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS STATUTORY DEADLINE IS ABOUT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE PLUS THE UNUSED INCREMENT. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT LEVEL. AND THAT NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD, BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO CHOOSE A NUMBER THAT WAS LESS THAN THAT VAR PLUS UNUSED INCREMENT, CHOOSE 
          [05:10:05]
THE NUMBER THAT WAS LESS THAN THAT, BUT THAT WAS HIGHER THAN THE UNADJUSTED VAR. THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO VOTE OF THE CITIZENS. MR. PRINCE, I'LL JUST I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THAT THAT DISTINCTION. I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT A RATE THAT EXCEEDS THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THEN THEN YOUR DEADLINE IS AUGUST 24TH. BUT THAT ADJUSTMENT PART REALLY THE QUESTION, THE CONFUSION FOR ME IS WHAT IS THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF VOTER APPROVAL RATE? IS IT WITH THIS UNUSED INCREMENT OR NOT? AND THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT SURE IT MATTERS BECAUSE THAT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH WITH THE WITH THE UNUSED IS A GIGANTIC NUMBER. SO IT WOULD BE GOING FROM 0.42 TO 0.55. RIGHT? I, I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ON COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO UP THERE. THE, THE, WITHOUT THE UNUSED INCREMENT, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS CAN I FIND IT IN HERE? IT'S GOT IT DOESN'T HAVE MATTERED TO GET TOGETHER. 
          OH YEAH. HERE IT IS 0.463. SO IT'D BE GOING FROM 0.42 TO 0.463, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A 10% INCREASE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, MY FIRST PASS, MY THOUGHTS HAD BEEN, I THINK I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN BE TALKING ABOUT A NO NEW REVENUE RATE, NOT THIS VAR, BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE VAR WITHOUT THE ADJUSTMENT IS A SMALL ENOUGH INCREMENT ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME ANYWAY TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT IS THE STATUTORY LIMIT FOR US OR THE MUCH LARGER FIVE, FIVE, FOUR. OKAY, I'LL LOOK AT I'M I'VE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN YOUR, IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AT ALL, YOU KNOW, AND SO, SO I, BUT I WILL LOOK THAT UP AND LET YOU KNOW I HAVE THE EMAIL IF YOU WANT TO READ. OKAY. PARENTS, WHAT IT STATES AS FAR AS WHAT ON THE AUGUST DATE. OKAY. SO. SO IF YOU PROPOSED AN ADOPT A TAX RATE ABOVE BOTH THE VOTER APPROVAL AND DE MINIMIS RATES, YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC ELECTION. IMMEDIATELY. SO WHICH IS THE 0.55. SO I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. WELL AGAIN I THINK EVEN THAT LANGUAGE TO ME IS UNCLEAR. AND I WOULD REQUEST, BRAD, THAT YOU TALK TO YOUR PARTNERS BECAUSE IN IN THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH I'M LOOKING AT, THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED THE UNADJUSTED VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AND THEN THERE IS THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE AND THE DE MINIMIS RATE. AND THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN AS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THE I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THE REQUIREMENT IS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, SO YOUR UNADJUSTED, SO ACCORDING TO THIS SPREADSHEET, YOUR UNADJUSTED VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.463034. RIGHT. YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE ADJUSTED FOR UNUSED INCREMENT RATE IS 0.554462. YEP. THEN WHAT IT DESCRIBED. THEN IT DEFINES YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THEREFORE AS THE FIVE FIVE, FOUR, FOUR, SIX TWO AND YOUR DE MINIMIS RATE AS 474929. SO IF YOU ADOPTED THE UNADJUSTED VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THAT'S WELL BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AND IT DOESN'T KICK IN. IF I'M READING THESE NUMBERS. YEAH. 
          CORRECT. SO SO WITH THAT INTERPRETATION, THEN I WOULD ASSERT THAT WE'RE THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING A TAX RATE ABOVE 0.554. RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK IT APPLIES TO. I DON'T THINK THAT. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE DOWN HERE AT THE EVEN AT THE UNADJUSTED AT 0.46. YEAH. AND THEN THEN IT DOESN'T IMPLICATE THAT IF YOU'RE ANYWHERE BELOW THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. SO, SO THAT SO THAT AUGUST 17TH DEADLINE DOESN'T. WELL, I SAY THE 17TH. NO. YES. YEAH. AUGUST 17TH DEADLINE DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CHARTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE STATE MANDATED DEADLINE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT, RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, SORRY, THAT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION. NO, NO, I, I YEAH, GOOD CATCH. OKAY, SO I GUESS WE DISCUSSING THE BUDGET CALENDAR RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY OF WHAT 
          [05:15:07]
YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKET. YEAH. WE ARE FOR THIS YEAR. WE'RE ALREADY NOT ON SCHEDULE. BUT THIS ALSO THE REQUIRED. YEAH. THERE'S A FEW DATES THAT WE MISSED. I GUESS WE COUNT THIS AUGUST 6TH AS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. BUT. THE SLIGHT DIFFERENCE WILL BE THAT WE HAVE THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEES GOING TO START MEETING PRETTY SOON. I THINK WE ALREADY AGREED WE MIGHT MEET ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY. TUESDAY IS WHAT THE THREE OF US. TUESDAY. TUESDAY IS WHAT THE THREE OF US HAD TALKED ABOUT. OKAY, AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED. SO. 
          SO NICOLE GAVE ME A COPY OF THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE CALENDAR. SO WE'RE ON AUGUST 6TH. SO SO GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHICH IS. AGENDA NOTICES AND WHAT WE HAVE TO THE NOTICE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SO THAT THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS NOW. BUT ON A MOVING FORWARD BASIS, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE WITH OUR AGENDA NOTICES. AND SO OBVIOUSLY, THE EASIEST THING IF IF YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY DO THAT YOU KNOW, THAT ONE OF MY OTHER CITIES OR MORE THAN, BUT ONE OF MY CITIES DOES IS, IS THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT. THE PRESENTATION IS IF YOU GO WITH THIS RATE, THIS IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, REVENUE. IF YOU GO WITH THIS RATE, YOU GO WITH THIS RATE. AND SO COUNCIL HASN'T MADE A DECISION YET, BUT THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT THAT GETS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA CONTAINS THOSE THREE NUMBERS. AND SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT THAT WAY. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DEBATING BETWEEN WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THOSE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE CALCULATIONS. SO THAT WOULD THEN BE ATTACHED TO YOUR, YOUR AGENDA. AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU HAVE A, A BUDGET, A PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH HERE SAYS IT'LL BE POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE WITH THE TAX PROPERTY TAX COVER PAGE BY THE 14TH, I MEAN, SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADVANCE OF. OUR NEXT MEETING, RIGHT. OR IS THAT THE NEXT MEETING? 20TH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN SO THEN AS LONG AS AS LONG AS THE, THE BUDGET AND IT CAN CHANGE, RIGHT? SO ON, ON THE, ON THE, AS LONG AS THE, THE, WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED AND THAT AGENDA CONTAINS THE URL LINK TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND THAT'S ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, HOME WEB PAGE. AS LONG AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CURRENT ONE AS OF THAT DAY, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FINE. AND THEN AT THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, YOU CHANGE THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU DO WHATEVER, THAT'S FINE. SO THAT AS LONG AS IT CAN BE UPDATED AS YOU GO, YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AT EACH SUBSEQUENT MEETING THAT THAT URL, URL AND THE DOCUMENT LINKS TO IS UPDATED TO THE CURRENT ONE THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING. OKAY. I THINK FROM THE CALENDARS PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ONE WE HAVE HERE, THE ORANGE HIGHLIGHTED DATES, THOSE ARE ALL REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO WE CAN CLEARLY MEET THOSE. 
          THE QUESTION IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. THERE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE ANOTHER SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. I DON'T KNOW. DOES THE SUBCOMMITTEE THINK THAT YOU COULD PULL ANYTHING RELEVANT TOGETHER FOR A MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, AND EVEN HAVE STUFF FOR THE PUBLIC TO EVEN LOOK AT? I MEAN, THAT'D BE VERY FAST. LIKE WE WOULD CALL THE MEETING. WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS FOR ANYBODY. I DON'T I WAS THINKING MORE THE WEEK OF THE 24TH. SO WE WOULD HAVE OUR NORMAL MEETING ON THE 20TH, AND THEN THAT NEXT WEEK WE SHOULD CALL SPECIAL CALL BUDGET MEETING IF PEOPLE HAVE AVAILABILITY. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE ONLY REAL TIME WE HAVE. 
          SO, MAYOR, JUST AS AN FYI. SO FOR THE 24TH, THE 24TH, THAT'S A TUESDAY, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT ANOTHER REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 24TH. AND THEN I'M GONE FROM THE 25TH THROUGH BASICALLY THE 12TH. SO I CERTAINLY I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE TO COVER ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE. I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY SENIOR ASSOCIATES WOULD COVER IT OR A PARTNER. SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I JUST YEAH, ALERT YOU JUST THE CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET JUST YEAH. GOING DOWN. IT'S OKAY. A 24TH I BELIEVE WOULD BE A MONDAY ACTUALLY. IS THAT THE MONDAY? OKAY. SO THEN YEAH. SO I'M ACTUALLY I WOULD BE AVAILABLE 
          [05:20:02]
ON MONDAY. YEAH. IF I GOT MY DATES MIXED UP. 25TH IS THE TUESDAY. I AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR, THAT THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE COULD HOPE TO HAVE SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE. MY QUESTION FOR BRAD WOULD BE ON THE THURSDAY BEFORE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CALENDAR WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. FRIDAY, AUGUST 14TH, SOMETHING IS POSTED. THE PROPOSED BUDGET. I DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET ME BACK UP IN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EVERYONE'S CONSENSUS TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE DIRECTION TO, TO THERE. SO WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH IS MADE UP MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND MYSELF OF, OF DIGGING IN PRETTY DEEP AND QUICKLY WITH STAFF AND TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET IN A STATE WHERE IT'S PRESENTABLE TO THE FULL COUNCIL AND TO CITIZENS. I DON'T KNOW THAT BY FRIDAY, AUGUST 14TH WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO POST, WHICH IS WHAT IT SAYS IN HERE. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 20TH. YOU JUST LAID OUT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO OR WHAT YOU WOULD ADVISE ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 20TH. WHAT'S KIND OF THE MINIMUM CAN WE, ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 20TH, COME IN, HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CALCULATIONS OF THE RATE SHEET, THE TRUTH AND TAXATION SHEET, AND THEN WHATEVER STAFF AND THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH. AND WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE GET IT DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, KNOWING THAT THE NEXT MEETING, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AFTER THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIVE. I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE. THE BUDGET NOTICE CHECKLIST THAT I SENT OUT EARLIER, BUT MY COMPUTER JUST DECIDED TO FREEZE UP ON ME. SO. ROBIN, DO YOU HAVE THAT OKAY. YEAH. DOES HE NEED IT? MY WELL, IT'S MY MY, MY OUTLOOK HAS JUST DECIDED TO CRASH ON ME. MAYBE IF. BRAD, YOU LET ME TAKE A COPY. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO HERE. SIR, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. SO? SO. AS LONG AS. LET'S SEE. SO IF THE MEETING IS ON THE 20TH. THE MEETING THE 20TH. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO THIS, THIS IS A, THIS IS AN AGENDA POSTING REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN YOU POST THAT AGENDA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT LINK AVAILABLE TO WHATEVER, IN WHATEVER STATE YOUR BUDGET IS IN. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FINAL PRODUCT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING. YEAH. SO WHATEVER STATE IT IS IN, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, LINK IT TO A URL AND YOU PUT IT ON YOUR WEBSITE AND YOU PUT THAT URL IN THE AGENDA NOTICE. AND YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND IF BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE MEETING ON THE 20TH, YOU'VE MADE ALL OF THESE REVISIONS TO IT, THEN YOU NOW HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY OR UPDATE. YOU CAN, YOU CAN UPDATE THE LINK THAT DAY. SO THE PUBLIC HAS A, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO IT OR WHATEVER THE, THE, THE LAW DOESN'T. SO YOU'D BE OKAY. AND, AND THE CONTENT AT THAT LINK CAN BE CHANGED UP UNTIL THE TIME OF THE MEETING. IT'S NOT LIKE ONCE WE POST IT, IT HAS TO FREEZE. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THE PUBLIC. YEAH. THE LAW DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S FROZEN IN TIME. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. YOU CAN UPDATE IT AS YOU GO ON THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE POSTING THAT AGENDA ON THE 14TH OR 15TH OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT IS WHAT IT IS THAT DAY. YOU CHANGE IT ON THE 16TH OR CHANGE IT ON THE 17TH, JUST UPDATE IT, KEEP IT THE SAME URL. YEAH. THEN YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. 
          OKAY. SO I THINK WE SEEM GOOD ON THE SCHEDULE. THEN WE JUST NEED TO PICK A DAY ON THE WEEK OF THE 24TH. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL CALL MEETING. I CAN DO THE 24TH. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO AIM FOR THE 24TH. AND IF SOMETHING POPS UP, EMAIL ME. CHIEF JOY AND ERIC. OKAY, BACK TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M SORRY, THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OFF, BUT NOT VERY MUCH RELATED. WE'VE GOT TO DO BUDGET AMENDMENTS AS WELL. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT 
          [05:25:01]
ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT PART OF THIS FORMAL, WE CAN'T ADOPT A NEW TAX RATE, I BELIEVE, WITHOUT THOSE BUDGET AMENDMENTS OCCURRING. SO THEY NEED TO BE HAND IN HAND. I THINK, NICOLE, AM I RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE THOSE READY? ALL RIGHT. SO WE JUST I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THAT JUST NEEDS TO NOT ON THE RADAR. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OR BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE YEAR. WE'RE IN CURRENT. BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THE CIP. AND THAT WILL HELP THE CURRENT DISCUSSION FOR THE 2627 BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. I HAVE THE EXHIBIT ALREADY READY FOR Y'ALL. THAT'S JUST MOVING IT OUT OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET INTO THE CIP FUND. OKAY. SO THAT WILL HELP THE UNDERSTANDING OF, WHILE WE GO THROUGH AND TRY TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE BUDGET FOR THE, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE, DECREASE OUR BUDGET, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IN THE VERY BOTTOM, THE FIXED ASSETS, THE 9000 WE HAD SUNSET PARK, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, IT'S GETTING THOSE MOVED OUT IN THIS CURRENT YEAR SO THAT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR COMPARISONS, Y'ALL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF IT. I ALREADY HAVE THE EXHIBIT READY. 
          IT JUST NEEDS TO GET PUT ON. THIS NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT CAN BE ON THE 20TH AS LONG AS Y'ALL WILL COME WITH THAT. YES, I CAN GET IT TO ROBIN. JUST HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YES. YEAH. YEP. OKAY. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S THE ONE THING WE'LL BE WORKING ON IS THE THREE OF US WILL START WORKING ON THE AGENDA PRETTY SHORTLY, EARLY NEXT WEEK. ONE OTHER NOTE, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE QUESTION ABOUT IF WE ARE MEETING DEADLINES, THE ONLY DEADLINE RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS PROPERTY TAX GOES, IS PROBABLY TOMORROW. WE HAVE TO POST ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THE CALCULATIONS, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY POSTED TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. THERE IS THE CALCULATION PAGE FROM TRAVIS COUNTY. AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A VERY SPECIFIC PAGE THAT CAME FROM THE COMPTROLLER, AND IT WAS ALMOST PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. THANKS FOR HELPING US MEET THOSE DEADLINES. NICOLE. IF I CHARLES, HAD SENT OUT, I DON'T KNOW, 4 OR 5, SIX DAYS AGO, AN EMAIL WITH A NUMBER OF ATTACHMENTS, ONE OF WHICH HAD THE CALCULATION SHEET ON IT. IS THAT UNCHANGED OR IS THAT UPDATED? THAT WAS THAT WAS UNCHANGED FROM WHAT WE'VE WHAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY RECEIVED. THAT IS THAT EXACT EMAIL I WENT THROUGH. I DID THE MATH. I FOLLOWED THEIR WORKSHEET AND CERTIFIED IT AND SIGNED IT. I WILL SEND IT TO THEM TOMORROW MORNING. THE MEETING STARTED SO I DIDN'T GET IT TO TRAVIS COUNTY AND I WILL GET IT. IT IS ALSO GOING ON THE TRUE FACE TAXATION AND TRUE TRUE FACE TRUTH IN TAXATION TAXATION WEBSITE AS WELL. OKAY, IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. SO TOMORROW MORNING I'LL COME IN AND DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THEN THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS JUST THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE GOOD, THAT ROBERT IS HELPING AND WORKING WITH US. YEAH, THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO IF ANY OF YOU DIDN'T ALREADY REALIZE THIS, MR. OWEN HAS BEEN DOING STELLAR WORK NOT JUST ON THE CHARTER, BUT ALSO WITH SOME SPREADSHEET BRILLIANCE THAT HE DOES ON THAT'S HELPED US ON THE FINANCE SIDE. AND SO HE'S BEEN SORT OF A SIDE CONSULTANT TO THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. SO I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST APPROVAL FOR US TO PULL HIM IN ON A, YOU KNOW, A DIRECT USE BASIS AS WE'RE MEETING WITH STAFF. SO, CHIEF, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND BY CONSENSUS COUNCIL, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I'M GOOD TO MOVE ON. WITH THAT. THEN I WILL GO TO ITEM 125 DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION. 
          [XII.5. Discussion, consideration, and possible action regarding an ordinance of the City of Lago Vista approving the Tessera on Lake Travis Public Improvement District 2026 Annual Service Plan Update, dated August 6, 2026; approving the updated assessment rolls and annual installments for Improvement Areas Nos. 1, 2, and 3 and the Major Improvement Area; authorizing collection of the annual installments due January 31, 2027; and providing for related administrative matters.]
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA APPROVING THE LAKE TRAVIS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT 26 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2026, APPROVING THE UPDATE ASSESSMENT RULES AND ANNUAL ALLOWANCE FOR IMPROVEMENT AREAS NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE AND THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA AUTHORIZING COLLECTION OF THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS DUE JANUARY 31ST, 2027. PROVIDING FOR RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. AND THANK YOU FOR WAITING THIS LONG AND HOPEFULLY YOU LEARNED A LOT ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS. IT'S MY SECOND TIME SEEING PRESENTATION, ACTUALLY, IT GETS BETTER THE SECOND TIME. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. P3 WORKS THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR. THIS ITEM IS THE ANNUAL SERVICE UPDATE FOR THE LAKE TRAVIS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. THIS IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT UNDER CHAPTER 372 THAT ANNUALLY WE REVIEW AND UPDATE THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT PLAN BY UPDATING THE ASSESSMENT RULES FOR 2026. SO THIS ORDINANCE WILL APPROVE THE UPDATED ASSESSMENT ROLE FOR 2026 AND AUTHORIZE COLLECTION OF THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENT THAT WILL BE DUE JANUARY 31ST, 2027 
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AND WILL BE COLLECTED AS PART OF THE TAX BILL TURNED OUT BY TRAVIS COUNTY. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M TRYING TO PULL SOMETHING DOWN. FORGIVE ME MAYOR. SO BACK IN OCTOBER OF 25 AND I KNOW IT'S WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT GOING ON SINCE THEN. AND FORGIVE ME, JUST AMANDA, HAVE YOU ALREADY HAD THIS? WE DISCUSSED A. PIT DISCLOSURE PIECE FOR THE RESIDENTS, DETAILED EXHIBIT B IN THE PIT DISCLOSURE. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PACKET. SO, I MEAN, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ASKED THAT IT BE ADDED. I'M SITTING HERE GOING, CAN I SEND THAT TO YOU, ROBIN? I'M SORRY. THE DISCLOSURE THAT WAS SHOULD BE INCLUDED OR THAT WE ASKED BE INCLUDED. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 
          OKAY. IN THE PACKET THAT. YEAH IT IS, IT IS NOT IN THE PACKET. I NEED TO SEND IT TO YOU SO THAT IT CAN GO OUT AND THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'M SORRY. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS FROM BRAD THAT HE WAS GOING TO GET CLARIFIED WITH HAYNES LEGAL, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE LIKE, I GUESS THERE WAS SOME. DEED ISSUES THAT THAT WAS GOING TO GET CLEARED, CLEARED UP BEFORE IT COULD THIS THIS EXHIBIT WAS GOING TO BE ATTACHED. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER HANDLED, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT MR. DONNELLY HAD SUBMITTED QUITE A BIT OF WHAT WAS THAT WENT INTO THAT EXHIBIT, SO I THE DEED ISSUES WERE DEED ISSUES THAT. I MEAN, THE THE DEVELOPER HAD TO RESOLVE IN ORDER TO FINALIZE THE TRAILS, AND I'LL HAVE TO REACH BACK OUT TO THEM. THE LAST TIME I DID, WHICH WAS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. 
          I MEAN, CERTAINLY THIS YEAR I JUST DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MONTHS, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG AGO IT WAS, BUT THEY WERE STILL NOT TOTALLY RESOLVED. THERE WAS ONE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAD NOT RESOLVED YET. AND SO AS LONG AS THAT ONE IS HANGING OUT THERE, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T DO THE TRAIL DONATION BECAUSE OF THAT OUTSTANDING ISSUE. SO I AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD REACH BACK OUT TO ME WHEN IT WAS RESOLVED. SO I HAVEN'T HEARD, BUT I WILL CHECK WITH THEM. YEAH. THERE'S STILL LEANING AGAINST IT. OKAY. WELL THEN THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET FIXED ANYTIME SOON. SO BRAD, I WENT AHEAD AND FORWARDED THAT UPDATED EXHIBIT B. I'M READING THROUGH IT NOW. FORGIVE ME. I I, I WENT LOOKING FOR IT AS I REMEMBERED AND. QUITE FRANKLY, MR. DONNELLY HAS BEEN SO MUCH IN THIS. I SEE THAT HE'S ONLINE RIGHT THERE. ROBERT, DO YOU MIND PUTTING YOUR CAMERA ON? ARE YOU LISTENING RIGHT NOW? JUST CHECKING. OKAY. YEAH, MAYBE AFTER ALL THE FLACK STUFF. OKAY. NO. THAT'S WHAT NO, THAT COULD BE R D. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD. ROBERT D COULD BE EITHER ONE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          THEY NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, MORE DISTINCT NAMES I KNOW. YEAH I KNOW HE JUST TYPEKIT SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. SO I WAS LOOKING ON HERE TO SEE IF THERE WAS A MAYOR PRO TEM. YOUR EXHIBIT EMAIL JUST CAME THROUGH, SO MY EMAIL LOOK BACK UP, RIGHT? I'M JUST NOW LOOKING AT IT. YEAH. THE MAIN THING WAS THAT. THIS WAS WHAT WE ASKED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FULL DOCUMENT. BUT I THINK AGAIN, THERE WAS THE PIECE ABOUT WHETHER THE PROPERTY STUFF WAS RESOLVED. SO SO THE. YEAH. SO A, THE TRAIL FACILITIES A IS STILL OUTSTANDING. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T INCLUDE THAT ONE. OKAY. I BELIEVE. THE PARK AREA, I 
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BELIEVE THAT'S RESOLVED. AND THE ADA RAMP IS RESOLVED. I, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE REST ARE RESOLVED, BUT I, I DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT. I'M JUST DOING THAT FROM MEMORY. AND I, I JUST DON'T I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WITH THE, WITH LET ME GO LOOK IN MY EMAIL. I MIGHT HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THE SARAH LAWYER. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY CHANGED LEGAL COUNSEL. SO THE NEW LEGAL COUNSEL IS STILL TRYING TO WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND IT. BUT IF YOU GIVE ME A MINUTE, I'LL LOOK, I CAN SEE IF I CAN FIND AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. FORGIVE ME. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, SO IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISHES, THEY CAN AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE EXHIBIT B AS PART OF THE DOCUMENT AND AND PASS IT WITH THE INCLUSION OF EXHIBIT B. OKAY. ONE QUESTION. THERE'S A TAX COMPANY CALLED TEXAS IN TPW. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THESE PIT DISCLOSURES THAT WE'RE NOW ASKING YOU TO PUT INTO THIS, OF COURSE, REALLY OUR REALTORS AND TITLE COMPANIES REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN USING THEM. BUT BUT NOW I'M FINDING OUT THAT OTHER COMPANIES, NOT P3 WORKS ARE USING THE TAX CUT. THIS TAX COMPANY CALLED TEXAS NTP ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT ALL? NO. OKAY. I CAN TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF OUR FIRM AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THIS EXHIBIT ROLLED IN. I THINK. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR BENNEFIELD, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EXHIBIT, SO I MIGHT BE. 
          SHE JUST. OH, DID YOU FORWARD IT TO IT? I THINK THE CONCERN OR THE CONSENSUS THAT I RECALL FROM THE RESIDENTS OF TESSERA WAS THAT EACH BUILDER HAD THEIR OWN DISCLOSURE DOCUMENT. SOME LISTED THE CITY OF LEANDER, SOME WERE VERY GENERAL AND JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU GO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR ASSESSMENT IS. BUT THERE IS AN ASSESSMENT. OTHERS WERE VERY DETAILED AND IT SAID THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS AT THAT TIME IS THAT WE WANTED A UNIVERSAL DISCLOSURE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO EACH PROPERTY OWNER PRIOR TO CLOSE, SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE ALL THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO, WHAT WAS THEIR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT GOING TO BE SO THAT THEY WERE GOING INTO THIS CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION WITH FULL DISCLOSURE? AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT NOT ONLY DO WE AMEND WHATEVER IS BEING PROPOSED HERE TO INCLUDE WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN IS SUGGESTING, BUT ALSO DOING EXACTLY WHAT MISS CHAVARRIA SUGGESTING, WHICH IS IF THESE TITLE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO COMPANIES LIKE TEXAS AND TB, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? PNTP AND IN TEXAS, NTP IS A IS LIKE A PLACE TO GET DOCUMENTS. AND SO THESE TITLE COMPANIES ARE JUST GOING TO THIS DOCUMENT COMPANY AND SAYING, HEY, WE NEED A DISCLOSURE FORM, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO UPLOAD OUR DISCLOSURE FORM SAYING, HEY, IF YOU'RE CLOSING IN THE CITY OF TULSA OR IN THE COMMUNITY OF TESSERA, THIS IS THE DISCLOSURE DOCUMENT. 
          AND UNTIL THERE'S THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IN TESSERA, RIGHT? BECAUSE THESE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS ARE JUST GOING TO SAY, OH, I PROVIDED A DISCLOSURE OR I DID THIS, I DID THAT, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. 
          AND SO THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THE PRESENTATION. I ALL 400 PAGES LOOK FANTASTIC EXCEPT FOR THE ONE. YEAH, YEAH. SO I MEAN, YEAH, WE DO INCLUDE THE FORM OF THE DISCLOSURE IN HERE THAT DOES HAVE PLAINLY STATES, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE BUYING HERE IS YOUR TOTAL ASSESSMENT DUE TO THE PRINCIPAL OUTSTANDING. AND THEN THERE IS THE PROJECTED INSTALLMENT SCHEDULE. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS. BUT MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, THE HOME BUILDERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING THE DISCLOSURES, BUT RESPECTFULLY, THAT HAS BEEN THE ISSUE. THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T CRITICISM ON YOU AT ALL. THIS IS HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT THE 
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CITIZENS OF LAGO VISTA, PARTICULARLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM NOT BEING AT THE WILL OF WHATEVER THIS BUILDER DOES? I THINK IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH EDUCATION OR COMPLIANCE OR WHATEVER IT IS, TO ENSURE THAT UNIVERSAL DISCLOSURE FORMS THAT ARE APPROVED BY YOU OR BY THE CITY OR BEING USED AT CLOSING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I CAN TAKE THAT BACK AND TALK TO OUR DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION AND KIND OF GET SOME. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE JUST NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING UNLESS IT HAS OUR APPROVED DISCLOSURE DOCUMENT SIGNED. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY REALM. THAT'S MORE OF A LEGAL. BUT THAT BUT BUT IF THAT'S I MEAN, IF THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DO, THEN THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU GUYS COULD MAKE. BUT SO MR. BENNEFIELD JUST THERE WAS AN EMAIL EXCHANGE. BACK IN OCTOBER. 
          YEAH, ACTUALLY, THIS WAS FROM NOVEMBER, BUT NOVEMBER, EARLY NOVEMBER REGARDING IT WAS AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN MYSELF AND P THREE WORKS REGARDING THIS DISCLOSURE ISSUE. AND WHAT WE SAID WAS. ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANTED TO WORK WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, P THREE WORKS TO. BE SURE THAT THESE REQUIRED DISCLOSURES ARE CORRECT BECAUSE WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NOT. AND I THINK THE CONTRACT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN OUR CONTRACT WITH P THREE DOES AUTHORIZE US TO, YOU KNOW, MANDATE THAT STATE LAW SETS FORTH THAT THESE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAY BE DISCLOSED. HOWEVER, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THERE THAT SAYS THE CITY CAN ALSO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES. AND SO WE HAVE THAT. IN MY VIEW, WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER THE UNDER STATE LAW. NOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS THAT THESE YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO CREATE MORE OWNER PROPERTY OWNER CONFUSION TO TO PUT FORTH A PARTIAL LIST OF AMENDED DISCLOSURES? AND THEN WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR THE TRAILS, WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT THE TRAIL ISSUE WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG SINCE RESOLVED. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL, YOU KNOW, REALLY THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE LEARNED THAT THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN. SO, SO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED AT THIS POINT THAT IT PROBABLY BEHOOVES US TO MAKE GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT DECISION AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE TRAILS BECAUSE WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT IS GOING TO TAKE THAT LEAN TO GET GET ADDRESSED. 
          EXACTLY WHAT I REMEMBER AS WELL THAT THERE WAS THIS ISSUE. WE WERE GOING TO LET THAT RIDE OUT. 
          THEN WE WERE GOING TO CORRECT THAT. BUT JUST LIKE YOU SAID, HERE WE ARE. YEAH, HERE WE ARE. 
          CLOSER. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I THINK, I THINK I THINK WE NEED WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN IS GET, IS GET VERIFICATION FROM THE, THE TESSERA LAWYER. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE READY TO BE ACCEPTED AND ADOPTED AND THAT WE THEN PROVIDE THAT AS A AS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIRED DISCLOSURE THAT THESE ARE THE PUBLIC FACILITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE TRAILS BECAUSE WE JUST AREN'T AREN'T IN A POSITION TO ACCEPT THEM YET. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, SO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED. I THINK THE DECISION PROBABLY CHANGES AT THIS POINT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE DISCLOSURE OF AMENITIES. OH, IN ADDITION TO THE DISCLOSURE OF THE AMENITIES, THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE OH, THERE'S DONLEY. THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSURE OF THE EXACT PIT ASSESSMENT. SO MANY OF THE HOMEOWNERS DO NOT DID NOT KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WERE GIVEN A CHART SAYING, HEY, IF YOU'RE THIS OR THIS, YOU FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE MORE CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY, THIS IS YOUR ASSESSMENT, THIS IS YOUR SITUATION. DO YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS? YEAH, I AGREE. I MEAN, YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S IT'S MORE OF A POLICY DECISION. I MEAN, WE THAT'S HOW THE FORM OF THE DISCLOSURE. AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM AND TELL THEM THAT IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE HOME BUILDERS, THAT WE HAVE THE DISCLOSURE FORMS AVAILABLE FOR THEM. SO THAT AGAIN WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION WHETHER TO MANDATE THAT THEY USE THAT FORM. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAILS AND HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED, AND WHETHER THERE COULDN'T BE SOMETHING IN THIS AGREEMENT, SUCH AS EXHIBIT B, HAS UNDER A APPROXIMATELY. 
          IT'S. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN THAT ARE A PART OF OF THE 
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DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN. THE OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN RESOLVED. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IF IF SOME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT COULD NOT BE INCLUDED. I THINK I THINK THE CONCERN WITH REGARD TO THE TRAILS WAS THAT THE. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF OF THE DISCLOSURE THAT WE MAKE AND THAT IT IS ACCURATE. AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY MR. DONNELLY WHEN THIS FIRST CAME FORWARD, THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE LIST WAS HERE, THESE DISCLOSURES. AND IT WAS IT IN THAT PROCESS, WE LEARNED. WELL, YOU KNOW, YES, SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN THE CITY HASN'T ACCEPTED THEM, YOU KNOW, AS AS DEDICATIONS. AND SO THAT'S ON THE CITY TO DO THAT. AND WE CAN DO THAT. AND ONE OF THOSE WAS THE TRAILS. BUT THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE RESOLVED. I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. BUT FOR THE TRAILS, AND IT'S REALLY JUST THIS ONE PARCEL THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM DEDICATING AN ENTIRE TRAIL SYSTEM. THERE'S A GAP. AND SO I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND INCLUDING THAT UNTIL THAT WHOLE ISSUE IS RESOLVED. BUT NOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MR. BENNEFIELD, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BE IN THAT DISCLOSURE. AND SO I THINK THE EXHIBIT B THAT MISS OWEN JUST SENT OUT, I THINK IT'S JUST REMOVED THE TRAILS AND YOU ADOPT THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR DISCLOSURES. AS FOR THE PUBLIC AMENITIES, NOW, THE THE ASSESSMENT ISSUE IS, IS, IS ANOTHER ISSUE AS WELL. AND THOSE NEED TO BE CLEAR. AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE SET OF THOSE ASSESSMENT NOTICES THAT ARE PROVIDED? AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, THEY ARE THEY ACCURATE IN KEEPING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE ASSESSMENT IS KEYED TO THE CORRECT LOT AND THAT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE PEOPLE. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT COMPLAINTS THAT WE WERE WHEN WE WERE BUYERS. YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ASSESSMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS LOW NUMBER BECAUSE IT VARIES. AND THEN ONCE WE WERE OWNERS, WE LEARNED, OH, IT'S A LOT HIGHER. SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S A HOW TO RESOLVE THAT. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY. WOULD IT BE WOULD IT BE A COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS OUT HERE TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE STATING, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE ANNUAL LOT TYPES AS THEY COME THROUGH THEIR WORKS, OR WOULD THAT WOULD THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WITH AS THESE APPROVAL, THESE ANNUAL AGREEMENTS ARE APPROVED, THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY IS WHAT FOR SO LONG. BUT WHEN WE APPROVE THOSE, IT COULD BASICALLY BE DRAWN BACK TO THAT ORDINANCE. AND BASED OFF OF THE LOT TYPE, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A, I WANT TO GET BART FOWLER'S INPUT ON THAT VERY. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY NUANCED. YEAH. AND I THINK, YEAH, I WANT, I WANT ON WHAT BART'S INPUT ON, ON, ON THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE DISCLOSURES, THOSE ARE LARGELY SET OUT BY STATE LAW. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ACCURATE. IF THEY'RE NOT ACCURATE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAS A IF THE IF THE DEVELOPER, THE HOME SELLER IS IF THEY'RE PROVIDING WRONG ASSESSMENT INFORMATION, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE BUYER AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE SELLER, NOT REALLY THE CITY, BUT AND SO TO SOME DEGREE, THOSE ARE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW, BUT WE CAN INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ONES. AND SO I HOW MUCH WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WHAT. 
          WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN TERMS OF DISCLOSURES? I WANT TO TALK WITH BART ABOUT THAT. I THINK THESE THE THE EXHIBIT THAT MISS OWEN SENT OUT. I THINK WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. BUT I'D WANT HIS INPUT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO THE ASSESSMENTS. YEAH, YEAH. ANY MORE COUNCIL QUESTIONS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANY WRITTEN UP RIGHT HERE, BUT I SEE MR. DONNELLY HAS HIS CAMERA ON. ARE YOU WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, I HAD SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT I'M I'M I'M AVAILABLE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME ON THIS. NO QUESTIONS, JUST OPEN TO COMMENTS. YES, MAYOR PRO TEM ROBERT, BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST HEARD, I THINK THE THE FORM EVERYBODY IS AGREEABLE THAT AS LONG AS THE TRAILS ARE REMOVED FROM THAT PARTICULAR FORM, THAT WE COULD JUST ATTACH IT AND THEN AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCLOSURE AVAILABLE TO ADD TO THE CURRENT DOCUMENT. I JUST WAS MAKING SURE THAT THAT WASN'T RIGHT. I, I FROM WHAT I COULD HEAR, IT SOUNDED LIKE 
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Y'ALL ADDRESSED THE MAJOR POINTS RANGING FROM PIT DISCLOSURES THAT HAD NO DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON THEM, TO THE FACT THAT TITLE COMPANIES ARE NOT PULLING DISCLOSURES FROM P3 WORKS. THEY'RE GETTING THEM FROM THIRD PARTY SOURCES. A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE LEGACY DISCLOSURES THAT YOU SEE NOW ARE JUST BEING PULLED FORWARD. THEY'RE WHAT THE DEVELOPER USED WHEN THEY SOLD THE LOT TO A HOME BUILDER. AND SO THEY'RE JUST REGURGITATING THAT PIT DISCLOSURE AND MOVING THAT TO THE END USER. BUT FINALLY, WHAT WAS IMPORTANT WAS, AS YOU HAD DISCUSSED. THESE DISCLOSURES HISTORICALLY HAVE ONLY SAID THAT THE BONDS WERE USED FOR AUTHORIZED IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY NEVER IDENTIFIED WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE. SO HAVING HAVING THAT EXHIBIT GOES A LONG WAY TOWARDS TOWARDS CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN WHERE THAT MONEY WAS SPENT. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT Y'ALL HAVE A REALLY FIRM GRASP OF IT. YEAH. AND JUST COUNCIL, JUST IN CASE YOU HADN'T CHECKED YOUR EMAIL, I FORWARDED YOU THE EXPLANATION AND EXCHANGE I HAD WITH P3 WORKS AND THE STATUTORY BASIS FOR THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THAT ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND OPEN TO A MOTION OR DISCUSSION. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF THAT. I HAD A QUESTION JUST ON OUR ORDINANCE. 
          AT THE BEGINNING OF IT, THERE WAS A LINE THAT TALKED ABOUT 2025. WAS THAT SAYING THAT WE'RE UPDATING THE 2025, OR IS THAT AN ACTUAL TYPO? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, THAT FIFTH, WHEREAS IT'S SAYING WE'RE UPDATING THE 2025 UPDATE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SAYING. OKAY, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL TAKE QUESTION. OKAY, MAYOR, I'M GOING TO TAKE A CRACK AT THIS MOTION THIS LATE AT NIGHT. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, PROVING THAT TESORO AND LAKE TRAVIS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT 2026 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2026. DO I NEED TO READ THE REST OF IT? APPROVING THE UPDATED ASSESSMENT RULES, ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS FOR IMPROVEMENT AREAS NUMBER ONE, TWO AND THREE, AND MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA AUTHORIZING THE COLLECTION OF THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS DUE JANUARY 31ST, 2027 AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS WITH THE ADDITION OF ATTACHMENT B TAKING OUT CURRENTLY AND THE CURRENT DRAFT, THE TRAILS. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD, JUST TO BE CLEAR, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE THE DOLLAR VALUE PIT DISCLOSURES? NOT YET. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. HE SAID HE WAS GONNA HAVE TO GET WITH BOND COUNCIL. YEAH I DON'T I YEAH I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE SEPARATE DEAL. YES SIR. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, BECAUSE THOSE ARE AGAIN, THOSE ARE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. AND I JUST AGAIN, I THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE CITY CAN PROVIDE THAT. I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN. BUT BUT I JUST I'M NOT PREPARED TO TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT THAT'S OKAY. AND I WANT BART TO WEIGH IN ON IT AND REVIEW ANY LANGUAGE THAT THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IN THAT REGARD. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND ON THIS, MISS, CAN I GET CLARIFY THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE JUST SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT THAT WE ARE AUTHORIZING MR. BULLOCK TO DISCUSS WITH BART AT THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BECAUSE I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVE US DIRECTION AS TO HOW WE COULD PROCEED WITH THAT. I DON'T I DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THAT. OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AND THEN COME BACK AT A FUTURE BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS YOU CAN ALWAYS UPDATE AND AMEND YOUR SAP AS YOU GO ALONG. OKAY. AND THEN SO, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND THEN I GUESS WHAT I, WHAT WE WILL NEED IS ONCE WE GET A, THAT EXHIBIT B, WE'LL HAVE TO EDIT IT. AND THEN WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO P3 WORKS. SO THAT THAT WAY THAT CAN BE INCLUDED. THE. THE EDITED VERSION CAN BE INCLUDED IN, IN THEIR DISCLOSURE PACKET THAT THEY PROVIDE TO DEVELOPERS OR HOMEBUILDERS, WHATEVER IT IS. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THE DISCUSSION. ALL 
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THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I'VE GOT A FEW OTHER ITEMS HERE THAT I WAS HOPING WE COULD TABLE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT ARE LEFT THAT Y'ALL REALLY NEED TO TALK AND THAT. ROBIN. 
          ACTION ITEM ONE. ARE Y'ALL GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON IT? Y'ALL DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN. NO, I WAS GOING TO LET IT RIDE. BUT ADDING THE ONE MEETING FOR AUGUST 24TH ON MONDAY, A SPECIAL MEETING, I WASN'T ADOPTING IT BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF DATES THAT DON'T REALLY MATCH WHAT WE'RE DOING ANYMORE. I THINK THERE'S JUST A GENERAL CONSENSUS WE KNOW. YEAH. SO THE ITEMS I HAD LEFT ARE THE TWO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. THAT'S EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS FIVE AND FOUR. AND MY QUICK UNDERSTANDING FROM BRAD IS THERE'S NOTHING TIME PRESSING ON THOSE DISCUSSIONS. YES, SIR. 
          THAT I MEAN, THAT CAN BE PUSHED TO THE NEXT MEETING. I MEAN, CERTAINLY I WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING PRESSING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THAT. THE OTHER ITEM IS THE WORK SESSION. ITEM THREE DISCUSSION REGARDING GROWING CONCERNS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS, DRUG ACTIVITY, LITTER, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER. OH, THE OTHER JUST MIGHT BE STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS AND REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY REPORTS THAT THEY JUST HAVE TO GET COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON. AND JUST FOR SUBSTITUTION, ARE YOU SAYING WE ARE GOING TO GET GUIDANCE TONIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE OR WE'RE NOT? WE'RE NOT. 
          I WAS GOING TO SAY TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS WHAT I CAN I THINK I WROTE THEM SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION OR MEMO. I CAN'T BUT BUT IF NOT, THEN WHAT? I WILL WRITE ONE FOR YOU. IT MIGHT NOT GO UNTIL MONDAY BECAUSE I'VE GOT A HEARING IN TRAVIS COUNTY COURT TOMORROW, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU A WRITTEN UPDATE OF WHAT WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED AND WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS, BUT THERE'S NO ACTION THAT YOU COULD TAKE TONIGHT ANYWAY. SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT ONE. AND THAT WAY YOU HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT'LL TAKE ME A LITTLE WHILE TO CONTRACTS ON THAT. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT AND WE NEED TO PURCHASE. I MEAN BUT BUT BUT SO NO, THERE'S, THERE'S, I MEAN, I CAN GIVE YOU A FIVE MINUTE, WE CAN GO BACK. I MEAN, I SHOULD THIS PART, I SHOULD DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO IF YOU WANT A FIVE MINUTE OVERVIEW I CAN DO THAT. IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. BUT I'LL MAKE IT REAL QUICK. IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. YOU GUYS WANT TO GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WELL, I MEAN TO ANSWER. I MEAN WE HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED BY THEM. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT EXECUTED THE CONTRACT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND RENEGOTIATE WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE BIT LESSER PRICE. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE OCCURRED. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE PRESS THIS ISSUE HARDER THAN WE NEED TO, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO UNDULY POSTPONE IT EITHER. 
          YEAH. SO THE UPDATE THAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS, IS NOT REALLY ON ANY ANY NEGOTIATIONS ON THE PURCHASE PER SE. IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT BEARS ON HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. SO IF YOU WANT A FIVE MINUTE, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. IF I CAN PUT IT IN A MEMO. YEAH. TOMORROW OR I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WERE THINKING YOU WERE GONNA GET AN UPDATE ON THE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          THE PERSON WHO WAS DOING THOSE ISN'T HERE TONIGHT. YEAH, I, I CAN'T UPDATE YOU ON THAT. OVER TO THE SELLERS THAT HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED. I RESPECTFULLY AGREE, NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU GO BACK AND HAVE THE MEETING. I'M JUST SAYING IF WE DO DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED. THE INFORMATION THAT I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU BEARS ON HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND. 
          BUT THE OTHER. OBTAINING A REALTOR OR HAVING OUR CITY ACTING CITY MANAGER GO AND NEGOTIATE BASED ON THIS INFORMATION. I JUST I DON'T KNOW THE INFORMATION. SO, SO WE JUST WANT TO GO BACK THERE JUST LIKE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE WE DO THAT. I DO WANT TO TABLE THE OTHER ITEMS. SO THAT'LL BE OUR LAST ITEM. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE TABLE A WORK SESSION ITEM. NUMBER THREE ON HOMELESSNESS, DRUG ACTIVITY, PROPERTY 
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MAINTENANCE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND OH YEAH, ACTION ITEM. CONSIDER DISCUSS TWO CONSIDER, DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2627 ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT LIST, AND THEN ALL OF ITEMS 13 AND 14, WHICH ARE STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS AND REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. HALL. SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YEAH. MR. PRINCE, SO ON ON THE ACTION ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CIPI DON'T THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MATERIAL IN THE IN THE PACKET. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAD ANY MATERIAL TO COME TO US. AND IF STAFF FEELS LIKE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT OR IT CAN BE SENT TO US IN EMAIL. I, I'M JUST TRYING TO I DON'T WANT WE SHIP IS PART OF THE BUDGET AND SO IT'S TOP PRIORITY. I ASSUME WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT ON TUESDAY. THE SUBCOMMITTEE. OKAY. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. 
          WELL I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE A BUNCH OF THINGS. YEAH. TO TABLE TO DO ALL THE TABLING TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. 
          [II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
ALL OPPOSED? SAY NAY. APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ROBIN. DID WE COVER ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR THE. OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS. I'M GOING TO READ THE ENTIRETY OF THIS ITEM FOR IN FIVE AS THEY RELATE TO THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. 
          I'VE READ THEM IN EARLIER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS FOUR AND I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVE IT IN. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 1050. WE'RE COMING BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. IS THERE ANY ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS 4 OR 5. SORRY, MAYOR. NO ACTION. ALL RIGHT. NO ACTION. WITH THAT, MY TABLE IS CLEAR. NO OBJECTION. WE WILL AD
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