Aug 20, 2026 City Council

[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

[II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS (action and/or vote may be taken on the following agenda items)]

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RIGHT. SO NOW IT IS 4:01 P.M. WE ARE NOW RECONVENING TO OPEN SESSION. AND SO I BELIEVE WHAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IS READ THESE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEM 3.1 CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WERE CONFIDENTIAL. ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. WAS THERE ANY ACTION? MAYOR PRO TEM. NO ACTION. THANK YOU. ON ITEM 3.2 CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE FIVE. 1.071 LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION UNDER SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS REGARDING APPLICANTS AND APPLICATION PROCESS FOR AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. IS THERE ANY ACTION? MAYOR PRO TEM NO ACTION. THANK YOU. REGARDING 3.3 CONSULT CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.0. I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE TYPO AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 6017, BUT 071 LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION UNDER SECTION 551.07 FOR

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THERE WAS. UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE ONGOING SEARCH FOR AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS RELATED TO LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO BUDGET ITEMS UNDER WORK SESSION ITEM NINE TWO AS WELL. THANK YOU BRAD. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND FOR THE TEXAS FLAG. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. WHO REMAIN STANDING. PLEASE. TODAY WE HAVE ANDY HOGUE. IS HE HERE TODAY? HE'S MADE IT, SO. I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. RON. SHALL WE PRAY? DEAR GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE MEMBERS OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUR PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. I THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR CITY, AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS AND HONOR THE THE VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVE AS OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR. I PRAY THAT YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO A NEW BUDGET. HELP THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT PROVIDE FOR OUR SERVICES AND AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. BLESS THIS TIME TOGETHER. IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON

[VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

ALL RIGHT, I THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL. LAST WEEK I GAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE PNC ABOUT THE PROPOSED FLUME THAT THEY HAD APPROVED PREVIOUSLY OR RECOMMENDED TO YOU ALL. I SPECIFICALLY WAS REPRESENTING SHORELINE RANCH AND I DISCUSSED THEIR SITUATION.

I ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER ISSUES WITH THAT PROPOSED FLUME, AND THERE WERE THREE OTHER PRETTY OBVIOUS ISSUES. I FELT IT WAS MY PERCEPTION THAT THE COMMISSION CONSENSUS WAS THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED FLUME AND THAT THEY SHOULD DISCUSS AND DEBATE THAT. I DID ASK MR. PRINCE ABOUT THE PROSPECTS FOR COUNCIL TAKING UP THE C, P AND THE FLUME, AND HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE HIS OPINION ABOUT WHAT HE THOUGHT THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO DO RELATIVE TO IT. HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE BUDGET AND THE CHARTER ARE REALLY AT THE TOP OF YOUR PRIORITY LIST, AND THEN REPLACING STAFF IS PROBABLY RIGHT THERE WITH IT.

AND THAT THE C, P AND FLUME REALLY WASN'T ON THE RADAR, AND IT COULD BE MONTHS BEFORE IT'S

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RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE DAVID VON KING AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME TIME DONATED. YES. OKAY. HELLO, COUNCIL. I HAVE THREE LITTLE ITEMS TO THROW IN. HOPEFULLY I DON'T NEED THE DONATED TIME.

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I THINK IT'S CHAPTER 3.118, WHERE THE CITY MANAGER CAN SIGN OFF ON STRUCTURES IN EASEMENTS.

THAT WORDING IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE IS IT BUILDING SETBACK OR IS IT EASEMENT? DO YOU WANT US TO BUILD OVER THE EASEMENT TO GET APPROVAL BUT NOT THE BUILDING SETBACK. AND NONE OF THIS, NONE OF THE POOL ISSUES WERE A PROBLEM BEFORE OUR LAST DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WAS HERE ARBITRARILY. SHE DECIDED, BETWEEN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT BADLY WORDED ORDINANCES, WE'RE GOING TO FORCE EVERYONE THAT WANTS A POOL OR A PATIO IN THEIR BACKYARD TO GET A VARIANCE. IMPRACTICAL. NOW SHE'S NOT HERE AND WE'RE STILL APPROVING PERMITS, GETTING PEOPLE TO SPEND TONS OF MONEY AND THEN SAYING, OOPS, NEVER MIND, I CHANGED MY MIND, TAKES THESE BACK, SEES IT'S NOT A COHESIVE WAY TO RUN A BUSINESS. IT'S NOT LEGAL EITHER. WHAT ELSE THERE'S. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT HOLE TOO FAR. IT'S JUST IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO. WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE IN PLACE NEED SOME SORT OF HELP. HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE SOMEONE IN THE PIPELINE AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT A CITY MANAGER SITUATION SOON. BUT THE. THE JOKES WRITE THEMSELVES AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING REALLY GOOD. I DON'T NEED THE EXTRA THREE MINUTES, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND. THE REST ARE RELATED. SO THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO. SPOKE DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS. TRULY APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAVE THE COMMENTS. AS WE WERE MAKING NOTES I SAW UP HERE REGARDING THOSE ITEMS. SO NEXT UP, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS TODAY. THANK YOU ROBIN. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BECAUSE IS LET ME SEE, WE HAVE A AT LEAST I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A PERSON HERE FOR OUR. 9.1 THE WORK SESSION, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 810 IS CHRISTY WILLIAMS HERE AT THE MOMENT ARE ONLINE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, WHAT I MAY DO IS GO AHEAD AND COME BACK TO THAT AFTER JUST A LITTLE WHILE. ALL RIGHT. SO. FORGIVE ME. I

[Items VIII.1, VIII.2 & IX.2 (Part 1 of 2)]

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THAT, WHICH IS. 8.2 PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2627 ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT LIST. ARE Y'ALL AMENABLE TO DO THAT TOGETHER? I WAS JUST PUTTING THE CIP WITH THE BUDGET.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE. MAYOR PRO TEM, I MIGHT ASK THE ITEM 8.1 TALKS ABOUT CIP BUDGET AMENDMENTS. DO WE NEED TO MERGE THAT IN AS WELL, OR IS THAT IN YOUR MIND, A SEPARATE DISCUSSION? NO, I THINK WE COULD PULL THAT IN AND GO AHEAD. BUT IT IS A SEPARATE ACTION ITEM. AND SO WE WOULD NEED, ESPECIALLY ON THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, WE WOULD NEED A SEPARATE MOTION ON THAT ITEM AS THEY ARE. CAN I GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, BRAD? YOU CAN CERTAINLY CALL THEM ALL TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE ACTION ITEMS ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. IF WE GET TO THAT POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE IN. SO 8.1 ACTION ITEM. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE CIP BUDGET AMENDMENTS ITEM. 8.2 CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2627 ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT LIST AND ALSO NINE WORK SESSION. 9.2 THE BUDGET WORK SESSION DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING MATTERS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET. TO START US OFF, I ACTUALLY WAS HOPING THAT COUNSELOR PRINCE COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A DIVE ABOUT WHAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DOING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU, VICTOR, AFTER THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE MY SCREEN, SO MAYBE ERIC, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE CONTROLLING THAT OVER THERE, I JUST TURNED ON MY CAMERA. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD WORK. WINDOW. THERE WE GO. SO THE WHAT I'M DOING IS PULLING UP HERE SPREADSHEET. AND IF YOU IF YOU GO ON THE CITY, IF CITIZENS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS GO ON THE THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT WEB PAGE, THERE'S A LINK UNDER THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR BUDGET.

AND ON THE BUDGET PAGE, THERE IS A LINK THAT TAKES YOU TO THIS EXCEL DOCUMENT, THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET IN THE IN THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH IS CONSISTS FROM. COUNCIL CONSISTS OF THE MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM AND MYSELF. AND THEN WE HAVE STAFF. AND WE ALSO HAVE HAD ROBERT OWEN AS A CITIZEN PARTICIPANT IN THAT FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. THIS SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF US IS A SPREADSHEET THAT MR. OWEN CREATED, AND IT'S JUST BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL, AND I THINK IT'LL BE VERY USEFUL FOR CITIZENS AS WELL. HELPFUL TO TO COUNCIL AND STAFF.

AND SO I HAD MADE A I THINK THE MAYOR HAD STARTED A POST ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD AROUND THE BUDGET, AND I POSTED SOME SUMMARY COMMENTS THERE WHERE I JUST TRIED TO EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHAT THE BUDGET HAD BEEN LAST YEAR AND THEN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THIS. THERE WAS A FIRST PASS VERSION OF THIS THAT CAME OUT THAT HAD SOME, SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED, AND SOME THINGS THAT HAD NOT BEEN ENTERED. SO THE THE LENGTH THAT'S OUT THERE NOW, I THINK IS PRETTY GOOD. IT'S PRETTY ACCURATE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN MAKE THAT. MAYBE A TIME DELAY ON THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SPREADSHEET, IF YOU'RE A SPREADSHEET PERSON, YOU'LL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. IF YOU'RE NOT A SPREADSHEET PERSON, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN GO IN AND SORT BY, YOU KNOW, WHICH DEPARTMENT, WHICH FUND, WHAT KINDS OF EXPENSES, WHAT KINDS OF REVENUE, AND SPEND AS MUCH TIME ANALYZING THE CITY BUDGET AS AS YOU WANT TO. I'VE BEEN OVER THE YEARS, I'VE BEEN ONE OF THE THE MORE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL DIVING IN THE CITY BUDGET. AND ACTUALLY SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN I DID FIRST REALLY DID A DEEP DIVE ON IT BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL. AND FOR THE SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THAT, WHAT THE CITY WAS PUBLISHING TO CITIZENS WAS A PDF DOCUMENT THAT WAS A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES LONG. IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD TO TO COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS OUT OF THIS. THIS DOCUMENT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY AND FOR COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, CERTAINLY FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE CAN'T THANK MR. OWEN ENOUGH FOR FOR THIS. WHAT HE'S DONE IS HE'S TAKEN THE DATA THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED THROUGH THE BUDGET TOOL AND, AND HAS INCORPORATED THAT INTO THIS SPREADSHEET. SO I WANT TO JUST SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE, THE SECOND COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS FUND DESCRIPTION. IF I SELECT

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FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE CITY BUDGET, THERE'S BEEN A TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM THE UTILITY FUND INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE LOANS THAT THE BONDS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN OUT OVER THE YEARS HAVE LARGELY BEEN BONDS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN PUBLIC WORKS. AND SO THE MONEY THAT'S TRANSFERRED IN IS TO, TO HELP COMPENSATE FOR THE TAX REVENUE THAT IS GOING TO PAY OUR BOND FUNDS. THAT REALLY IS A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS OR THE THE UTILITY FUND. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE ASSUMPTIONS TODAY IS THAT THE TRANSFER AMOUNT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR OF $1.6 MILLION. AND AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT IS, I THINK, WORTHY OF NOTE. AND I'LL I'LL POINT OUT, I'LL BOUNCE OVER TO THE UTILITY FUND FOR A MOMENT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT. NOW NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE UTILITY FUND LAST YEAR, YOU CAN SEE IN REVENUE FOR THE UTILITY FUND WAS $15.7 MILLION. AND THIS YEAR IT'S NINE POINT ALMOST $9.7 MILLION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU'D SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON? HAVE WE YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY ARE WE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST $6 MILLION LOWER IN REVENUE IN THE UTILITY FUND THIS YEAR? IT'S BECAUSE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, THERE WERE TWO LARGE TRANSFERS ASSUMED ONE WAS A TRANSFER FROM RESERVES INTO A $3 MILLION IN RESERVES, AND THE OTHER WAS A TRANSFER FROM THE CO BOND FUND. AND I THINK THAT WAS LIKE 2.3 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE THE BIG DIFFERENTIAL IN REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT TRANSFERRING THOSE FUNDS IN TO THE UTILITY FUND. THIS IS I WOULD SAY IS TRUE REVENUE, RIGHT? IT'S SO IF YOU BACK IT OUT IN MY FACE, MY MESSAGE BOARD POST, I DID EXACTLY THIS.

IF YOU BACK OUT THIS TRANSFER, THE YEAR OVER YEAR REVENUE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO, TO THE SAME AS WHAT IT HAD BEEN LAST YEAR OF, LET'S CALL IT REAL REVENUE. AND SIMILARLY, ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, NOW I'VE DONE MY SELECTOR AND I'M LOOKING AT EXPENSE. YOU CAN SEE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE EXPENSES ON THE ON THE UTILITY FUND WAS 18/18,000,000, WHEREAS THIS YEAR IT'S ABOUT 8.5 MILLION. SO YOU SAY, OKAY, THAT'S $10 MILLION REDUCTION IN EXPENSES, BECAUSE LAST YEAR, AND THIS WAS A POLICY DECISION OF HOW STAFF CHOSE TO PUT THE DATA IN THE TOOL, AND COUNCIL APPROVED THE BUDGET. BUT LAST YEAR, SOME VERY LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS WERE IN THE EXPENSE BUDGET OF THE UTILITY FUND. WHEREAS THIS YEAR, STAFF AND WITH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DIRECTIONS STAFF IS PUTTING THOSE INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FUND. SO

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AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE DETAILS, YOU CAN READ THE POST THAT I PUT ON ON THE MESSAGE BOARD TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR AND THE TRANSITIONS.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO IF I GO TO GENERAL FUND AND I, I LOOK AT BOTH EXPENSE AND REVENUE. SO NOW YOU CAN SEE SCROLL THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. SO IT SHOWS ON THE SCREEN THERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR EXPENSE, WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF. OF, OH, I'M SORRY. LET ME START WITH REVENUE FOR REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND. RIGHT NOW IT'S SITTING AT 13.1 MILLION. AND THE EXPENSE AT JUST UNDER 13 MILLION. SO THIS WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A BALANCED BUDGET. THE REVENUE IS NOT LESS THAN THE EXPENSE. AND SIMILARLY, ON THE UTILITY FUND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAME KIND OF THING. SO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND AND THIS IS HAS THE LABEL OF BASE BUDGET. THIS BASE BUDGET MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A BALANCED BUDGET. WE WILL. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO MAYBE NOT IN A DEEP DIVE TODAY, BUT IN MONDAY'S SPECIAL CALL SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT STAFF HAS SAID THEY THINK NEED TO BE CALLED TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION OF THINGS THAT THAT THEY THINK REALLY SHOULD BE DONE. AND THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS ON LINE ITEMS. AND SO THAT'S CALLED THE DECISION PACKAGE. THAT DECISION PACKAGE WILL BE WILL GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL. ON MONDAY AT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT 1.7 OR $1.8 MILLION. MR. JOY. YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

AND MOST OF THAT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. THERE IS SOME IN THE IN THE UTILITY FUND, BUT MOST OF THAT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO WERE WE ON MONDAY TO APPROVE EVERYTHING IN THE DECISION PACKAGE THAT WOULD SAY THAT OUR REVENUE NEEDS TO INCREASE FOR THE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. NOW, WE WE MAY APPROVE SOME. WE MAY APPROVE NONE, OR WE MAY APPROVE ALL.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MONDAY DISCUSSION. BUT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE ALL OR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, THEN OUR REVENUE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE SOME. ON THE GENERAL FUND. THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. IT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RAISING PROPERTY TAXES FURTHER, BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION IN HERE IS THE MAX IT CAN POSSIBLY BE. AND SO THE ONLY WAY THE REVENUE COULD BE RAISED AT THIS POINT WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO SAY, THIS YEAR WE NEED A HIGHER TRANSFER FROM THE UTILITY FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND, OR WE NEED TO. SPECIFICALLY TRANSFER MONEY FROM THE RESERVE, THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE INTO THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS A DIVE INTO THE BASE BUDGET. AND, AND COUNCIL MAY HAVE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS POSTED SOME GOOD COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD. AND SOME OF THOSE I ASSUME WILL COME OUT IN THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. CITIZENS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE. THE DECISION. THE THE OTHER ITEMS WILL. WERE NOT CITY STAFF AND THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDED. LET'S DEFER THOSE TO MONDAY RATHER THAN HAVING THOSE. IN TODAY'S DISCUSSION, WE WILL, IN TODAY'S DISCUSSION, BE HAVING QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND AND WHERE TO GO ON THAT. SO AGAIN, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE BIG DOLLAR ITEMS WHICH WILL NEED TO BE FUNDED SOMEHOW, EITHER OUT OF EXISTING BOND MONEY THAT WE HAVE REMAINING FROM THE 2024 BOND, OR POTENTIALLY TAKING MONEY OUT OF RESERVES OR POTENTIALLY IN FUTURE YEARS, RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR THOSE OR POTENTIALLY TAKING OUT FUTURE BONDS. SO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IS A HUGE, VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. AND WE'LL HAVE THAT TONIGHT. BUT IT'S IT'S TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO THIS YEAR'S TAX RATE. AND AS I SAID, WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY LOCKED IN. IT CANNOT BE ANY HIGHER THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE. SO I WITH THAT, I WOULD ESPECIALLY OPEN UP TO MY OTHER FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE FOLKS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T MAYOR PRO TEM OR MAYOR ONLINE. MAYOR, I'M GOING TO GO TO YOU JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE WHEN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND OR NOT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES, SO NO, I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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SO WITH THAT IS IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS A QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF THEIR MIND FOR. BASED ON THAT REPORT? NO, NO, NOT AT THIS MOMENT. OKAY. IF I IF I MAY JUST I DIDN'T SAY THIS BEFORE, BUT I DID SAY IT IN MY POST ONLINE FOR THOSE THAT SAW THE FIRST PASS OF THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET WHEN IT CAME OUT AND. CITY STAFF FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE ASKED CITY STAFF TO POST THIS. AND WE ASKED, SINCE MR. OWEN IS THE CREATOR OF THE SPREADSHEET, WE ASK HIS PERMISSION TO SHARE THIS THING PUBLICLY, AND HE GRACIOUSLY AGREED. THE FIRST VERSION THAT WENT OUT, WE KNEW STILL HAD SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED. AND SO THERE WERE THERE THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THINGS, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE EXAMPLE WAS THE REVENUE FOR THE GOLF COURSE IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS PUBLISHED ON THE FIRST DAY WAS ZERO. THAT'S BEEN FIXED IN THE IN THE MOST RECENT ONE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LINE ITEMS WHERE WHEN I WENT AND DID MY OWN PERSONAL DEEP DIVE, I SAID, WELL, LAST YEAR WE HAD REVENUE IN THIS LINE ITEM. THIS YEAR IT'S ZERO. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT. AND SO, SO I CREATED MY LIST AND STAFF WENT AND FIXED ALL OF THOSE. SO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, I BELIEVE I'M COMFORTABLE.

THERE'S NO GLARING OMISSIONS OR ERRORS THAT'S IN THE, IN, IN THE DATA. NOW, ARE THERE AREAS WHERE THE PENCIL COULD BE SHARPENED AND THE NUMBER COULD GET COULD GET REVISED UP OR DOWN? NO DOUBT. BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. SO THE CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE TODAY AND WHAT WAS POSTED FIRST, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR WEEK AND A HALF AGO ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE CITIZENS AND COUNCIL TO, TO IF YOU DOWNLOADED AN OLD COPY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. THAT'S, THAT'S HISTORY. AND WE, WE FIXED THE ERRORS. SO THROW AWAY YOUR OLD COPY. LET'S START WORKING FROM THE COPY THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. YES. THANK YOU PAUL. AND I WILL SAY JUST KEEP AN EYE OUT BECAUSE AS AS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE CHANGES OR AMONGST COUNCIL UP HERE, THEN THOSE UPDATES WILL BE POSTED ONLINE. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING UP VICTOR AND START INTO THE CIP. JUST LOOKING NOT SEEING ANYTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I KIND OF BREAK THIS UP INTO A FEW PARTS. FIRST WOULD BE THE AGENDA ITEM FOR APPROVING THE 2627 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT LIST. THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO COUNT OR PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE MAIN REASON OF IMPROVING HOW CIP GOES FROM WHAT PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE TO ACTUALLY BUDGETING. I KNOW A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO I ASKED PAUL PRINCE, HOW DOES THIS USUALLY WORK? AND IT WAS, WELL, THEY BRING US THE BUDGET AND THEN WE GO THROUGH IT, THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THEN WE GO THROUGH IT.

AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. THAT TURNS INTO YOU STAFF PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO FINDING ESTIMATES AND THEN SCRATCHING PROJECTS AT THE LAST MINUTE, OR ADDING PROJECTS, WHICH ON SHORT NOTICE BECOMES BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO WHAT, WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET ORIGINALLY FROM LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS JUST THE PROJECT LIST, MORE OF THE DESIGN PHASE. THAT COULD BE THE DELIVERABLE AND AN EVALUATION CRITERIA. AND THE TIER. SO STARTING WITH THAT ONE, I KIND OF WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND BASICALLY SAY FOR NEXT YEAR'S PROJECTS, TIERS ONE AND TWO, I WOULD SAY MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ALL CONTINUATIONS OR NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BEGINNING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S A FEW TIER THREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOVED WITHIN THIS ONE, SUCH AS THE DRAINAGE STUDY PLAN AND TIER FOUR, WHICH IS AN ORAL MAINTENANCE PLAN. AND THAT IS SIMPLY JUST TO MAINTAIN THE AREAS THAT WERE WITHIN THE PHASE THREE. EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE LIST HAS KIND OF BEEN PUSHED BACK THROUGH THE CIP PLAN TO ALLOW STAFF THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PLAN ACCORDINGLY

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SO I DON'T WANT TO JUST IGNORE THAT WORK. ARE YOU ASKING FOR THIS TO BE PART OF THE 2627 BUDGET OR WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN? YEAH. 2627 SO I, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ON COUNCIL, I WOULD JUST NEED INFORMATION PROVIDED THAT OF WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, HOW MUCH IS ALLOCATED FOR LIKE BASICALLY WHAT I DO FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS, I WOULD KIND OF NEED THAT INFORMATION TO JUST THROW IT INTO THE BUDGET. OKAY. BUT IF ALL COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON THE FIVE YEAR CIP AND WITHIN THE PROJECT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED. OKAY. WELL, I THINK IT WAS A CONSENSUS FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED. SO I CAN'T SAY 100% YES, WE WOULD WANT TO DO IT, BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT SOME FUNDING WOULD COME FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, AND I THINK WE'RE AROUND 150, 000 OR SO IS 200 000 TOPS TO HAVE IN HERE FOR CONSIDERATION. SO JUST WANT TO I'LL I'LL FIND OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S MANAGING STUFF IN DAVID'S STEAD BECAUSE I KNOW HE WAS ALREADY PRETTY WELL ALONG HIS BUDGET PLANNING, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO HIS LEAVING. SO I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THERE WE'VE GOT THE THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAD. BUT THAT WAS A GENERAL IDEA AS PART OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND TO HELP FUND IT. SO YEAH, NO, THAT KIND OF WASN'T RELAYED. I MEAN, I KNEW OF THE PROJECT, BUT I, IT WAS VERY UNCERTAIN ON IF THAT WAS A PRIORITY LIST THROUGH THE, I GUESS, PARK COMMITTEE, IF THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR PRIORITY LISTS OR IF THEY WERE LOOKING AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, LOOKING THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT IT'S VERY SEPARATE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS LIKE A COUNCIL. WELL, AND IT COULD BE A DECISION. IT COULD BE THAT WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE NEED TO STICK TO WASTEWATER AND ROADS LIKE WE HAVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND NOT DO PARKS. AND THAT'S FINE TOO, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND CALL ATTENTION TO IT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED AND HAD P RAC DO A LOT OF WORK, DAVID, DO A LOT OF WORK. IT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME CONSENSUS AROUND IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE THESE THINGS TEND TO GET PUSHED AND PUSHED YEAR AFTER YEAR FROM A PARKS DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. SO I JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT.

MAYOR, I SEE YOUR HAND UP. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY BECAUSE I, I WENT BACK TO WATCH THAT JUNE 4TH MEETING WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED. WE NEVER ENDED UP TAKING A CONSENSUS OR VOTE FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT. WE DID TAKE A VOTE ON THE BOLTON POINT SIDEWALK. WE SAID WE NEEDED TO GET BIDS TO COME BACK BETWEEN THE TWO TYPES OF SIDEWALKS, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY DECISION WE MADE AROUND PARKS THAT AT LEAST THE ONLY VOTE THAT WE TOOK, AND EVEN THAT VOTE WAS JUST TO SEE BIDS, WASN'T NECESSARILY GO FORWARD. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ACTUALLY COME FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL ACTIONABLE ITEM SO STAFF HAVE MORE CLARITY. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PRINCE. SO THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION THERE. SO MY MEMORY WAS THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS AT TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS. WE HAD A WE HAD A FAIRLY DEEP DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PHASED CONCEPT FOR DAWN CIRCLE PARK. AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, WHAT COUNCILOR VANESSA IS RAISING AT A SEPARATE MEETING. WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH PRIMARILY KLT BE DRIVEN AROUND THE WALKWAY PATH FOR THE FOR THE MOUNTAIN POINT. AND IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS, IS, IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BATON POINT DISCUSSION. I HAVE NOT GONE BACK TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS OR IF THERE WAS ANY ACTION TAKEN AROUND THE AROUND THE PARK ON DAWN CIRCLE. SO YEAH, WE HAVE BOTH CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT

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I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, BUT I KNOW IN THE RAC MEETING THEY INDICATED THAT DAWN CIRCLE PARK WAS MORE OF A PRIORITY, CERTAINLY OVER THE BOWDEN PARK WORK THAT WAS PROPOSED. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS THAT IN THE SHUFFLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. AND I THINK THERE WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY START USING SOME PORTION OF THAT TO HELP FUND SOME OF THESE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OFF. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT IN THE SHUFFLE. COUNCILOR PRINCE BACKING UP. SORRY, VICTOR, BUT BACKING UP TO THE INTRO BACKGROUND MATERIAL, I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TREE FUND. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. SO IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT NEW REVENUE FOR TREE MITIGATION WILL BE ABOUT $200,000. SO $200,000 IS IN THE SPREADSHEET RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S NEW REVENUE COMING IN. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BALANCE OF THE TREE FUND IS A LITTLE OVER $900,000 RIGHT NOW. NICOLE IS NODDING IN AGREEMENT TO THAT.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 900 000 PLUS THAT'S EARMARKED FOR TREE MITIGATION PURPOSES. AND ONE OF THOSE PRIOR ORDINANCES IS SPENDING TOWARDS PARKS. WE DID NOT IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT'S OUT THERE. WE DID NOT PUT IN ANY TRANSFER FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND TO OFFSET EXPENSES. SO COUNCIL CERTAINLY CAN YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN SAY WE WANT TO EXPLICITLY TRANSFER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND AND, AND AUTHORIZE SPENDING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS. SO THE WAY WE'RE SET UP RIGHT NOW IS, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, THE $200,000 THAT'S COMING IN RIGHT NOW WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY EARMARKED AS TREE MITIGATION FUNDS, BUT WE'VE NOT IN THE BUDGET SO FAR. WE'VE NOT IDENTIFIED WHAT PROJECTS WE WOULD SPEND ANY OF THAT MONEY AGAINST. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GO TOO DEEP ON THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO COME BACK TO VICTORY PRETTY SOON. BUT YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK IS THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE THAN FROM OUR ACTUAL CIP. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY WOULD FALL UNDER THE UNDER VICTOR'S PURVIEW. RIGHT. RIGHT. NOW, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD COME UNDER I MEAN, IT WOULD COME UP FROM THE BUDGET STANDPOINT. THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, SIMILAR TO KLB AT THIS POINT, WHERE I NOTICED THAT THEY'RE NOT ON THE BUDGET AS WELL FOR 2027. THEY ARE ON THIS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THEM AT THE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS. BUT YES. SO I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE UNDER VICTOR'S BUDGET. WELL, MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION, A DIRECTION. SO AS I POINTED OUT IN MY SOLILOQUY EARLIER, RIGHT. ONE OF THE REALLY CONFUSING THINGS WAS IN PUBLIC WORKS. THERE WAS A LOT OF FIXED ASSET SPENDING IN THE BUDGET, WHICH MADE IT REALLY HARD TO INTERPRET WHAT'S THE OPERATING BUDGET OF PUBLIC WORKS VERSUS THINGS THAT ARE REALLY BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY LARGE TRANSFER FOR ANY LARGE PROJECT, IN MY MIND, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TOWARDS THE BOUGHTON BOUGHTON POINT TRAIL OR THE DAWN CIRCLE. ANY LARGE AMOUNT OF TRANSFER THAT WE MANAGE THAT THROUGH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROCESS, RATHER THAN BURYING IT IN A DEPARTMENT BUDGET LIKE PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT THEN LOOKS LIKE WE INCREASED THE OPERATING BUDGET OF PARKS VERY LARGE ONE TIME. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO NEXT YEAR? AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, HOW COME WE'RE REDUCING PARKS BY $300,000? YOU KNOW, SO SO I THINK IT'S BETTER TO SEPARATE THEM OUT RATHER THAN COMBINE THEM. YEAH. AND I WOULD ADD, BECAUSE, VICTOR, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT RACE IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. YOU'VE GOT LIKE TREE PARKS, TREE MITIGATION PULLING FROM THAT FUND. WELL, THAT ALREADY NOTED, RIGHT? AND THAT TREATMENT PLAN IS TO REPLANT TREES THAT WERE REMOVED FROM.

YEAH. SO UNDERSTOOD. BUT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WITHIN THE FUTURE. THE FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD, DESIGNATING THAT WAY AS A CAPITAL VERSUS AN OPERATING. SO I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE CIP, UTILIZING THE TREE MITIGATION. THAT WAS JUST TO MAKE UP FOR ONE PROJECT. RIGHT. AND IF IT WANTS TO STAY ON THERE AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR

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AND THEN DO YOU WANT ACTUAL NUMBERS IN THERE? DO YOU WANT ACTUAL PAGES OF THE PROJECT, DETAILED SCOPE OR JUST MORE OF JUST PLACEHOLDERS WITHIN? TO ME, IT'S FAIR TO JUST SAY LET'S, LET'S DO A PLACEHOLDER. AND THEN WHETHER IT COMES FROM THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR IT COMES FROM A MORE DETAILS COME LATER FROM THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR FROM THE PARKS DIRECTOR WHEN THEY'RE IN PLACE. AND THAT THAT WOULD BE NORMAL NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS. OKAY, SO SIMILAR TO KIND OF HOW AC LINES ARE PROJECTED FOR A FUTURE PROJECT, AND THERE'S JUST THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH INFORMATION ON IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN A PLANNING PHASE. OKAY. I WILL SAY THERE IS DOCUMENTS THAT I KNOW WERE OUT THERE FOR SOME THAT DAVID DID PRETTY EXTENSIVELY. THEY ARE IN HOUSE. WE JUST NEED TO PULL THEM TOGETHER. YEAH. I'M SORRY MAYOR.

GO AHEAD. SHANE, ARE YOU GOING TO HEAR ME SNAPPING? YOU FROZEN? HE'S FROZEN. HE'S SHOCKED.

THERE HE IS. MAYOR. YOU'RE ON. I SAW YOU RAISING YOUR HAND. OR ACTUALLY, COUNCILOR PRINCE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. OH. IS. ALL RIGHT, SO GO AHEAD. MAYOR. YOU'RE ON. SORRY, I'M HAVING TO SWITCH BETWEEN LAPTOP AND PHONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YEAH. VICTOR, YOU HAD A GOOD DIALOG BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND EMAIL, AND I WAS HOPING THAT YOU COULD COVER SOME OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THERE. WE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SORT OF THE OVERALL NARRATIVE OF WHAT OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE AND HOW THAT'S REPRESENTED ON THE CIP. JUST ASKING IF YOU COULD COVER THAT FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL. I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL WITH ME, AND I KIND OF PUT A LOT IN MULTIPLE EMAILS. I CAN RECAPTURE, I GUESS, SOME OF IT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO COVER THE NARRATIVE THAT OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS SORT OF THE BIGGEST FINANCIAL NEED IN THE COMING YEARS FOR, FOR THE CITY. IF YOU READ THE CIP, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY READ THAT WAY, AS YOU EXPLAINED. PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION HAS MAYBE SHIFTED TO MORE OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANT IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE. RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE GARVER LOOKING INTO THAT FURTHER. AND SO IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, YOU SEE PLACEHOLDERS FOR $5 MILLION AND $4 MILLION. BUT THOSE WILL BE REVISED AS YOU RECEIVE INFORMATION BACK FROM GARVER. AND THEN ON THE DRINKING WATER SIDE, AGAIN, YOU ARE STILL LOOKING TO GET, I BELIEVE, SOME ANALYSIS FROM GARVER UNTIL WE GET MORE NUMBERS ON THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CIP READS THAT THOSE ARE OUR TOP PRIORITIES. ONE THING THAT WE DID DISCUSS, TOO, WAS THE TYPE ONE IS SORT OF TUCKED AWAY IN THE 5 MILLION ON THE WASTEWATER. I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ORDER OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I DID WANT TO STATE FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS ITS OWN ITEM, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE IN THE NEXT YEAR. I THINK WE CAN GET PRICING. COUNCIL, I

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THAT CHANGES IS KIND OF SCOPE FOR GARVER. DO WE PULL THAT OUT OF GARVER SCOPE TO ACTUALLY DESIGN IT? BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE'RE GOING THROUGH IMPROVEMENTS, AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COVER, I BELIEVE, FOUR TOPICS, WHICH IS THE GRIT CHAMBER, THE MECHANICAL BAR SCREEN, THE REPLACING THE SLUDGE PRESS, AND THEN INCLUDING TERTIARY FILTERS, WHICH IS THE AQUA DISC FILTERS THAT ARE NEEDED OR NEEDED TO PRODUCE THE TYPE ONE EFFLUENT.

IF YOU DO A STANDALONE PROJECT AND JUST DO FILTERS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT CATCHING THE CONTAMINANTS RIGHT AT THE SOURCE. SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CLOG THAT SOURCE UP OR THAT FILTER UP REALLY QUICKLY. IF WE DON'T INSTALL NEW GRIT CHAMBERS AND NEW BAR SCREENS. THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THOSE FOUR ITEMS GET PUT TOGETHER. I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO GARVER TO GET THAT PROPOSED SCOPE AND GET CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO THE DESIGN FOR ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AT ONCE. SEPARATING IT OUT AGAIN WOULD ALSO INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COST. YOU WOULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS DOING THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO IT'S KIND OF A TRICKLE EFFECT IF IT IS SEPARATED OUT. I THINK YOU COULD DO MULTIPLE THINGS AT ONCE. I THINK WHAT I'M MORE SO IS I WANT IT CAPTURED IN THE CIP. SO IT'S NOT HIDDEN THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT. AND JUST LET IT KNOW THAT IT IS AT THE FOREFRONT. AND WE HAVE HAD SOME THINGS IN MOTION ALREADY ON IT. I DON'T THINK THAT IT MATERIALLY CHANGES THE EPA AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S A REIMBURSEMENT. BUT WE DID ALSO TALK ABOUT AND THIS WAS IN THE EMAIL, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COVER THAT AS WELL. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE UNENCUMBERED AMOUNT LEFT IN THE 2024 BOND. THOSE FUNDS COULD BE WHAT GOES TOWARDS THAT INITIALLY AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR TO HAVE ALL OF THE 2024 BOND FUNDS ENCUMBERED, SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TOWARDS. AND RATHER THAN MAYBE DIRECTLY ANSWERING THE TYPE ONE QUESTION, IF ANYTHING I SAID RATTLED YOUR MEMORY ON SORT OF THE EMAIL DISCUSSION. IF YOU THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COUNCIL TO GET THE WHOLE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. VICTOR, WHILE YOU'RE THINKING OR LOOKING FOR YOUR EMAIL THERE.

MAYOR PRO TEM, IF I MAY. MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO PLAY BACK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING AROUND TYPE ONE.

AND AND JUST LET'S JUST TRY TO GET TO TO COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON THIS. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I BELIEVE THIS IS ACCURATE, IS THAT COUNCIL CONSISTENTLY HAS SAID TYPE ONE IS A PRIORITY TO OUR CITIZENS AND IS A PRIORITY TO US, AND WE WANT TO GET THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD AGREEMENT ON THAT. WHAT I THINK THE OPEN QUESTION IS AND STAFF IS SAYING, OKAY, THERE'S THERE'S SMART, EFFICIENT WAYS TO DO THIS THAT WILL BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE. MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND SO THE TRADE OFF IS, YOU KNOW, SAVING CITIZENS DOLLARS VERSUS GETTING TO TYPE ONE SOONER. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FEEDBACK FROM VICTOR. AND, AND I GUESS MY, MY SUGGESTION ON THAT WE HAVE A, THIS I PASS COMMITTEE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE ROLE OF THAT COMMITTEE. THERE'S THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THAT, MISS OWEN, MYSELF AND MR. BENEFIELD, AND A NUMBER OF OF CITIZENS AND STAFF ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. AND SO I THINK AN EYE PASS DISCUSSION ON WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO NAVIGATE THIS PRIORITY, TO GET TO TYPE ONE QUICKLY WITHOUT WASTING MONEY OR BEING INEFFICIENT IN IN DOING THAT, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO ME. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE TO LOCK ALL OF THAT DOWN IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT. AND, MAYOR, IF I MISQUOTED OR MISDIRECTED THAT, PLEASE, PLEASE WEIGH IN ON IT. THE ONLY THING I'D ADD IS, AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT REFLECTED ON IT ON ITS OWN IN THE CIP AND MAYBE THE GRIT CHAMBER AND ALL THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS ITS OWN, SO THAT WE CAN MORE EASILY LOOK AT THE CIP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN IT. YES. SO I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WERE GIVEN THE JUST THE SUMMARY.

WHEN YOU GET THE FULL PACKAGE, EACH PAGE WILL HAVE A FULL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S BEING

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THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A FIELD STATION TO KIND OF FILL WITH EFFLUENT AND UTILIZE THAT EFFLUENT WATER FOR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DOING DENSITY TESTS, COMPACTIONS, AND MASS GRADING TO ACTUALLY REDUCE POTABLE WATER AND GET RID OF ADDITIONAL EFFLUENT. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH T LABS. THIS IS JUST GETTING THE PERMIT TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT FOR DUST CONTROL AND COMPACTION TEST. THE THIRD ONE IS ACTUALLY COMING TO COUNCIL WITH A THOUGHT OUT PLAN SAYING, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE UTILITIES IN THIS AREA. WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS AREA. WHEN IT GETS BUILT OUT, THEY HAVE TO PUT TYPE ONE AND AND WILL BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTE TYPE ONE EFFLUENT ONTO THOSE FIELDS. AND JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OR WE'RE MISSING ACREAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, GETTING THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE TYPE ONE AND GETTING IT TO A CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE, SAY, PO, BECAUSE THERE ALREADY IS EFFLUENT LINES RUNNING THROUGH THERE, IT WOULD JUST COME INTO EFFECT OF HOW MUCH STORAGE DO WE NEED BASED OFF OF DEMAND. SO IT'S MORE OF A LONG TERM PLANNING. AND THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED IT BEING PART OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS INSTEAD OF RUSHING IT TO TO IT NOW, BUT NOT REALLY ABLE TO UTILIZE IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. THANK YOU. QUESTION ON THAT IS WHEN YOU SAY YOU CAN'T UTILIZE IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, I MEAN, THE VENDOR TOLD US WHATEVER IT'S FLOWING INTO RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD BE USING IT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE POND TWO. THIS WOULD BE TO THE GOLF COURSE, TO OUR NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD HELP IMMEDIATELY. AND IN THOSE ASPECTS IT WOULD JUST IMPROVE WATER QUALITY. BUT LOOKING AT PREVIOUS TESTS, WE'RE ACTUALLY PRODUCING REALLY GOOD TYPE TWO EFFLUENT. WE DON'T WE WOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT QUITE A FEW THINGS TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE IT FOR PARKS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WOULD JUST IMPROVE THE QUALITY THAT OF EFFLUENT THAT WE ARE SENDING TO OUR GOLF COURSES OR THE GOLF COURSE AND CEDAR BREAKS, BUT THINGS SUCH AS GETTING IT TO THE PARK AS TYPE ONE CLASSIFICATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN PERMIT THE CONVEYANCE TO THE PARK. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN PRODUCE IT, DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEND IT TO THE PARK RIGHT AWAY. YOU STILL HAVE TO PERMIT THAT PROCESS. BUT DON'T YOU ALSO HAVE REQUIREMENTS? LIKE YOU SAID, EVEN THOUGH WE COULD BE PUTTING OUT TYPE ONE TO THE GOLF COURSE, WE AREN'T NECESSARILY SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL AT TYPE TWO WITH JUST BETTER QUALITY. BUT THEN YOU ARE DOCUMENTING OVER TIME FOR THAT FUTURE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE SPREAD. THAT TYPE OF EFFLUENT DOESN'T REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DATA ON WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT THERE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THAT THAT PROCESS INVOLVES, SAY, WE HAVE 100 HOMES AND THOSE HOMES ARE

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VICTOR DID LATE LAST NIGHT AND EARLY THIS MORNING, PUT A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IN EMAILS.

AND WE WILL BE GETTING THAT OUT SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON MONDAY. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR HALL, I JUST I DID WANT TO ADD IN TERMS OF SOONER RATHER THAN LATER FOR THE TYPE ONE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE GOLF COURSE, WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW SPRINKLER SYSTEM BEING PUT IN, AND IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM A HIGHER QUALITY OF FLUID COMING THROUGH THAT NOT CLOG UP THOSE HEADS AND US BE IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO DO REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENTS. AND EARLY ON. SO IF WE CAN, IF, IF, IF IT'S ONLY FOR FOR THE GOLF COURSE, THAT WOULD STILL BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT. AND COST SAVINGS OVER WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THAT EFFLUENT IS NOT IMPROVED. THIS COMING THROUGH THROUGH THOSE HEADS. SO ANYWAY, I, I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR GOING TO TYPE ONE WHERE WE CAN, AS SOON AS WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT OR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON. BECAUSE WITH THE GOLF COURSE PROJECTS, WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN A FEW ADDITIONAL STEPS TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT WATER IS GETTING FILTERED MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANTLY BEFORE ANY WATER GETS THERE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS AT THE PUMP STATION. THAT FILTER WAS DOWN FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND THEN WE PUT THAT BACK IN SERVICE. ADDITIONALLY, THE WET WELL THAT PULLS WATER FROM POND TWO TO GO TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. THERE'S ALSO A, A ALUMINUM SCREEN ON THERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY DOWNSIZED TO ABOUT A QUARTER BY QUARTER INCH HOLES TO ACTUALLY PREVENT ADDITIONAL MATERIAL FROM MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, ON THE PUMP SERVICE STATION BEFORE THAT WATER OR WHEN THAT WATER IS PULLED OUT OF THE WET WELL AND SENDS INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THERE'S ALSO A FILTER THERE. SO WE'VE TAKEN MULTIPLE STEPS. I THINK THE BIG BUT I DO AGREE THAT IF WE'RE REDOING THESE PONDS, WHY NOT CAPTURE THOSE MATERIAL RIGHT OFF THE BAT BEFORE THEY'RE REHABBED? BECAUSE ONCE IT'S IN THERE, IT'S IN THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE ALL THIS WATER, CLEAN OUT THESE PONDS AND DO THIS MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT THAT I DISAGREE, BUT FOR THE PROTECTION SOLELY OF THE IRRIGATION OR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, NOT FULLY, BUT I DO WANT TO CATCH IT AT THE SOURCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE, I DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN WHO'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THAT'S OKAY. VICTOR, DO YOU ARE YOU GIVING EVERYTHING? I THINK SO IN TURN. OH, BUT DON'T GO AWAY. THERE MAY BE MORE QUESTIONS. I GUESS WHEN WE GO INTO IT, WE CAN DETERMINE IF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE FIVE YEAR BUDGET OR THE SUMMARY, AND JUST DETERMINE IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOOD OR IF THERE'S ANY PROJECTS THAT NEED TO MOVE UP OR PUSH BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, DAVE STEWART, I HAVE YOU. I FOUND THIS YESTERDAY. OKAY. I GOT MY WASTEWATER LICENSE IN 1974. DO THE MATH. I'M A CLASS A WASTEWATER PLANT OPERATOR. I KNOW HOW TO GET RID OF SEWAGE. I KNOW THIS SYSTEM. I AM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DOCUMENTATION

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RECENT INVESTMENT IN POND 217 AND THE NEW LBGQ IRRIGATION SYSTEM WOULD ALSO REDUCE SURGING SUSPENDED SOLIDS LEVELS DUE TO HIGH INFLOW AND INFILTRATION OF WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM DURING A HEAVY FLOOD EVENT. NOW, THIS UNIT IS SO WELL KNOWN IN TEXAS, THERE'S OVER 300 OF THEM. IN TEXAS, YOU WRITE A TWO PAGE LETTER FROM AN ENGINEER. ANY ENGINEER THAT'S QUALIFIED, HE DOES A ONE PAGE DRAWING SHOWING HOW IT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED.

HE SUBMITS THOSE THREE PAGES TO TKE. YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL IN 60 DAYS. I GOT THAT DIRECTLY FROM TCE. Q. OKAY. SECOND IS UPDATE REPLACE THE 2015 WATER MODEL. THE PAPERWORK THAT I JUST GAVE THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAYS THAT WHEN YOU GUYS LET OUT THE MASTER PLAN FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, THAT IT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO UPDATE THE WATER MODEL AND CREATE THE WASTEWATER MODEL. YOU NEED THAT BASIC TOOL TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF YOU'RE SIZING YOUR PIPES CORRECTLY. THE WATER MODEL WAS PERFECT IN 2015. IT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. IF IT'S STILL EDITABLE. THE ONLY REASON IT WOULDN'T BE EDITABLE RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN OFF OF THE SERVER IT WAS ON, AND TRANSFERRED TO TWO ADDITIONAL CITY SERVERS. IF IT IS EDIBLE, THE PERSON WHO PUT IT TOGETHER THAT WORKED FOR WALKER PARTNERS IS STILL AVAILABLE. THE BIGGEST THING ABOUT THIS WATER MODEL IS THAT IT HAS THE ELEVATION PROFILE, THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP BUILT, THE LAYER THAT THE WASTEWATER MODEL NEEDS TO BE BUILT ON, AND IT CAN BE IMPORTED IN, WHICH WILL LOWER OUR COST OF DEVELOPING OUR WASTEWATER MODEL. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE FREESE AND NICHOLS WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS IS THAT THEIR PIPE SIZES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY DON'T TAKE INTO EFFECT WHAT EVERY. WHAT. ALL WE HAVE.

ARE DONATING TIME. ALL RIGHT, DAVE, GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO ANYWAY, THE FIRST OVERSIZE PIPE THAT A WATER OR WASTEWATER MODEL PREVENTS PAYS FOR ITSELF. OKAY. DAMN. OKAY, OKAY. THE CEDAR BREAKS EXPANSION. THE ONLY QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO ASK RIGHT NOW IS THERE 43 CONTIGUOUS ACRES TO THE CEDAR BREAKS RIGHT NOW THAT CAN BE TIED ON TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM? AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO IRRIGATE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A MASTER PLAN THAT'S NOT NEEDED UNTIL 2040 OR 2045, OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE. IF IT DOESN'T GET LOST, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE T, C, Q RULES AND REGULATIONS CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? THEN THE PLAN IS WORTHLESS. KEEP IT SIMPLE. GET THE 43 ACRES ADDED SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THE PERMIT UP TO 1 MILLION MGD. WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 43 CONTIGUOUS ACRES. LET'S GET IT IN THERE AND GET IT BUILT. AND THAT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE PROJECT. SO YOU CAN'T EXPAND PLANT THREE WITHOUT HAVING THE TRANSMISSION LINES PUT IN BETWEEN WATER PLANT THREE AND LOHMAN'S TANK AND THE VIKING TANK. YOU INCREASE THE PLANT TO FOUR MGD. YOU CAN ONLY MOVE TWO MGD OF WATER OUT OF IT. GREAT.

YOU CAN MAKE FOUR. YOU CAN ONLY DELIVER TWO. SO THE FIFTH ONE THAT I THINK ABSOLUTELY HAS TO GO IN HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO START ENGINEERING AND NOT USING THE $18.5 MILLION ROUTE GOING DOWN LOHMAN'S, FORD AND SHORELINE, BUT TO USE THE $8 MILLION ALFALFA ROUTE WITH THE

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THE EFFLUENT FILTERS MODULAR, AND IT SHOULD GO IN A TEMPORARY HOME RIGHT NOW. AND WE NEED TO GET THAT THING IN. WE CAN WORRY ABOUT DOING THE TYPE ONE CONVERSION LATER, BUT WE NEED THAT FILTER TO KEEP THAT PLASTIC, NOT LEAVING THE PLANT. IT'S AND PLUS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS SOON AS THAT PLANT ONE FILTER GOES INTO EFFECT, THAT IF YOU HAVE 10 MILLION GALLONS WORTH OF EFFLUENT AND YOU PRODUCE 10 MILLION GALLONS WORTH OF EFFLUENT THROUGH THE FILTER THAT T-C-E-Q CONSIDERS THIS, ALL THE PONDS THAT CONTAIN NOTHING BUT TYPE ONE WATER. YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE TESTING, BUT WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT TESTING INSTEAD OF 15 PARTS PER BILLION, THEY MAY ASK US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AT SIX PARTS PER BILLION ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. WE DON'T NEED PERMISSION TO TO DISCHARGE TYPE ONE THERE. BUT IF WE DO START AT THE PARKS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL CORING TO DO SOILS ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EFFLUENT DOES NOT CONTAIN HEAVY METALS.

THE EXACT SAME TESTING THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE AT THE SAME RATE.

AND THE ADDITIONAL TESTING, I DOUBT IF IT'S GOING TO COST MORE THAN 2000 A YEAR. SO YOU FREE UP THE WATER PLANT, YOU SPEND $2,000, AND YOU'RE SAVING TEN TIMES THAT BY RECOVERING CAPACITY IN YOUR WATER PLANT. SO. LIKE I SAID, DO IT. THANK YOU DAVE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M BRINGING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I HAVE BEEN DEEP DIVING AND IN INFORMATION IMMERSION OVER THE LAST LITTLE BIT OF TIME. I WILL SAY THAT VERY QUICKLY THE I PASS WAS MENTIONED, THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE.

WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET THIS LAST TUESDAY LIKE WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED, JUST BECAUSE OF TRAVEL FOR MULTIPLE OF US. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT COMMITTEE TO MEET AGAIN BEFORE THE 15TH IN ORDER TO BE READY FOR ANY FINAL VOTING. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REGARD TO OUR BUDGETS AND OUR TAX RATES, ETC. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO TO LEAVE THAT IN. I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ON MONDAY FOR SURE. HOWEVER, VICTOR IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A LONG NEEDED VACATION. SO I DID WANT TO BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE IN REGARD TO QUESTIONS FOR

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MR. STEWART, WHO WAS JUST UP AT THE MICROPHONE, IS A MEMBER OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. SO HE'S ABLE TO BRING ALL OF ALL OF THE DETAILS OF HIS CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS IN FRONT OF STAFF AND IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE. YES, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE HOPING WE COULD HAVE DONE BEFORE NOW, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT. SO BUT THAT WILL BE COMING UP BEFORE LONG. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE ONE OTHER THING THAT I READ IN WHICH IS THE CIP BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT ALSO AFFECT WHAT OUR HISTORICAL INFORMATION IS. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING NIKOLA, IF THAT'S OKAY. SO WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WHAT IS IN THE PACKET IS THE 2025 2026 BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE CIP PROJECTS AT. WE PREVIOUSLY HAD AN AUDITOR THAT SUGGESTED OUR BIG CIP PROJECTS BE IN THE OPERATING BUDGETS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BUDGET OF WHERE IT LIVED, POOL, STREET WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND SO ON. THAT WAS NOT HOW WE DID IT IN THE PAST. WE CHANGED THAT AND STARTED TO DO IT AT THEIR DIRECTION, ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN VERY OBVIOUS THAT THAT HAS MADE BUDGETING AND FORECASTING AND ALL OF THAT VERY DIFFICULT. OUR NEW AUDITORS HAVE AGREED AND GAVE THEIR BLESSING THAT THEY AGREE BIG CIP PROJECTS SHOULD BE SEPARATE AGAIN TO HELP FORECASTING, BUDGETING, ALL OF THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR COUNCIL, FOR EVERYONE. SO THIS WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU IS JUST PLAINLY THAT IT IS THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET. IT IS MOVING THEM FROM OPERATIONAL FUNDS. SO FROM YOUR GENERAL FUND AND YOUR UTILITY FUND INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SORRY, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK THEY'RE ALL LOOKING. NICOLE. ONCE THESE ARE APPROVED, IT'S JUST TO NOTE ONCE THESE ARE APPROVED IT WILL GET DONE IN THE ACTUAL SYSTEM. AND SO ANY REPORTS MOVING FORWARD WILL HAVE THESE ADJUSTMENTS MADE IN OUR WHAT WE CALL BASE BUDGET.

SO IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY TAKE IT AS WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR 25, 26 OUT OF THAT BASE. AND SO IT'LL CHANGE OUR WHOLE OVERALL PICTURE AS WELL FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR OUR. 2627 SO WHEN MR. PRINCE EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD 18 MILLION AND NOW WE ONLY HAVE EIGHT, THIS WILL HELP CLEAR THAT CONFUSION AND MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO COMPARE YOUR OVER YEAR. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT BIG DISCREPANCY AND EVERYBODY HAS TO DO THE MATH MANUALLY. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST LOOKING. MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I MEAN, I JUST THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR VICTOR, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN ON THIS ONE, WE KEEP REFERENCING A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION. I'M BEING TOLD WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN EXPANSION ANYMORE. DOES THE WORDING OF THAT MATTER AT ALL. DOES THE I MEAN SINCE THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE AND YOU'RE JUST TRANSFERRING TO CIP, I'M GUESSING THE ANSWER IS NO. MR. DID YOU HEAR HIS QUESTION? I'M SORRY FOR VICTOR, SORRY FOR NICOLE. ACCOUNTING ISSUE OR IT CHANGE OR IF IT NEEDS A NEW NUMBER, IT IT'S THE WORK WAS DONE UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION AT THAT TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

AND SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHEN WE SEE WHAT OUR TRUE VALUES ARE, THERE WON'T BE THAT LARGE AMOUNT. IF MOVING FORWARD, THE PROJECT IS CLASSIFIED AS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM JUST ISSUING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NUMBER WITH A MORE FITTING TITLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRACKING PROPERLY, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DESIRES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR PRINCE. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY AND HOPEFULLY PROVIDE CLARITY FOR COUNCIL AND CITIZENS. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT PAGE SEVEN OF THE OF THE PACKET HERE, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS TAKING DOLLARS OUT OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGETS, PARKS AND REC, THE LAGO VISTA, SUNSET PARK, WHICH IS REALLY THE MONEY FOR THE ENTRY WAY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND THEN WATER TREATMENT PLANT

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WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION, 2.37 MILLION. EFFLUENT POND REHAB, 4.135 MILLION. AND THEY ADDED THOSE ITEMS UP. THAT'S GOING TO COME UP TO THE NUMBERS I WAS SAYING WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR, REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN CAPITAL AND FOR THE COMING YEAR WILL BE IN CAPITAL. YES, SIR. BUT WHAT THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT IS ABOUT IS CHANGING THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR THAT WE ARE NINE, ALMOST TEN MONTHS FINISHED WITH. YES, SIR. SO WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT THE BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED A YEAR AGO AND SAYING, ARE THESE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAPITAL. SO TO ME. ONE, ONE POTENTIAL, THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL ADVANTAGE I SEE OF MAKING THIS AMENDMENT NOW IS THE AUDITOR SAID, THAT'S OKAY, AND IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER IN THE NEXT POST MORTEM FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO SAY, HOW DID THE THE FUNDS DO ON THEIR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET? AND THEN THESE THINGS WHICH ARE REALLY CAPITAL ASSET PROJECTS, CAN BE VIEWED AND REVIEWED SEPARATELY, I THINK, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, NICOLE, I THINK WE'RE NOT NEARLY GOING TO SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY THIS YEAR. THESE PROJECTS, AS A GENERAL RULE, ARE EITHER BEHIND SCHEDULE OR DEFERRED FOR REASONS OF DESIGN CHANGES. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP THE ONE ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION OF 2.37 MILLION.

WE'RE NOT SPENDING 2.37 MILLION ON THAT THIS YEAR. AND THE PLAN IS IS MODIFIED FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND AND IT'S PROBABLY FOR NEXT YEAR. I WOULD SUGGEST, MAYOR, THAT MAYBE AS IT GOES INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THIS COMING BUDGET, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO GIVE IT A NAME THAT IS MORE ACCURATE AND IS NOT CALLED A PLANT EXPANSION, BECAUSE THAT'S NO LONGER THE PLAN, RIGHT? VICTOR AGREED. SO YES, SIR, YOU ARE CORRECT ON ALL OF THOSE. AND FROM THE AUDIT PERSPECTIVE, IT ALSO MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR AUDITORS TO CAPITALIZE THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE THEY THEY TRACK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IT. AND AS WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO IT, AND ONCE IT BECOMES FULLY OPERATIONAL, THEN IT BECOMES OUT OF, YOU KNOW, IN PROCESS AND IT BECOMES AN ACTUAL ASSET. AND THEN IT BECOMES WE START TO DEPRECIATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO HAVING EVERYTHING CENTRALIZED IN ONE AREA WILL ALSO HELP OUR AUDITORS TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. BUT WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT WAS BUDGETED. AS YOU SAID, WE WILL NOT HIT THOSE. WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY. THIS IS JUST PURELY A CLERICAL. TO CLARIFY, FROM HERE TO HERE, POINT A TO POINT B, WE WILL DO OUR YEAR END ESTIMATES. I KNOW RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE ZEROS IN THE BUDGET. LEGALLY, WE HAVE TO HAVE YEAR END ESTIMATES FOR A BUDGET. SO WE WILL BE WORKING ON THAT. STAFF WILL BE STARTING TO WORK ON THAT, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE TRUE NUMBERS FOR THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. THIS IS JUST BEING BUDGETED THIS YEAR. NOW BUDGETED IT OVER HERE JUST TO KEEP THE SAME SAME, SAME SAME. OKAY. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, SPEAKING OF POSSIBLE TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS OR CLERICAL, I'M LOOKING AT THE DEPARTMENT LIFT STATION ON.

IT'S ON PAGE SEVEN. OVER HERE. THE ACCOUNT NUMBER 30-584- 9000. IS THIS THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR LIFT STATION IMPROVEMENTS IS 1095 AND IT'S BEING SUBTRACTED. IS THAT ACCURATE? NO. AND THERE'S A NOTATION DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. IN ENTERING ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR IN THE IN WHERE THE DECIMAL WAS. AND SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUDGETED MUCH HIGHER. AGAIN, JUST LIKE THEY STATED, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS ESTIMATED TO BE THE BUDGET, WHICH IS WHY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE NEW NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN UNDER 40-5807279 IS ONLY 150 000. YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WENT FROM 1.1 MILLION TO 150 000. SO AND IN THIS PROCESS, WE FELT THAT THERE WAS NOT A REASON TO GO BACK AND GO BACK UP HIGH TO THAT 1 MILLION. IF THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE BUDGET, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO SKEW BUDGET NUMBERS AND THEN MAKE US LOOK WAY OUT OF WHACK AND OUT OF BUDGET, IF THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE WHAT WE TRULY NEEDED. AND I'VE HEARD FROM VICTOR THIS MORNING, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO NEED THE 150. IT'LL BE LOWER THAN THAT. SO.

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MAYOR I MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE THAT FOR ITEM 8.1, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AS SHOWN IN THE PACKET AS EXHIBIT A BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR VAN NESS. SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. WITH ALL THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I, I ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IN REGARD TO 8.2, THAT ALSO IS AN ACTION ITEM IN REGARD TO THE PROJECT LIST. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, IF THERE WAS ANY ACTION THAT ANYONE WANTED TO TAKE ON THAT. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M TO BE HONEST, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR IN MY HEAD. AND VICTOR, YOU DID SOME SOME KIND OF HIGH LEVEL. I PRINTED OUT A COUPLE OF PAGES. SO IF I'M ON THE RIGHT PAGES, THAT'S THE PROJECT LIST. THIS IS ITEM 8.2, RIGHT? YEAH, IT SHOULD BE 11. PAGE 11. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO PAGE PAGE 11. SO VICTOR, YOU TALKED US. OKAY, I SEE HERE WHAT WHAT I PRINTED WAS CONFUSING ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT THIS. SO THIS IS YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION OF TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE AND TIER FOUR, WHICH YOU LED US THROUGH BEFORE. AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND DOES THAT THAT'S PAGE 11 IS THE LIST. AND THEN PAGE 12, DOES THAT GET US THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR SO PAID? WHEN THIS ONE WAS ON THE AGENDA LAST TIME, IT WAS SIMPLY JUST TO SAY, HEY, THESE PROJECTS, WE WANT TO SEE FULL BUDGETS FOR THIS ONE. WE DON'T THINK IT'S A NECESSITY AT THIS TIME, AND IT CAN BE PUSHED TO A LATER DATE. WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS WE WANT TO SEE THIS BUDGET NUMBER ON THE FISCAL YEAR OF 2627, AND WE WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN THE DELIVERABLE IS THE PHASE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T GET THAT ANSWER LAST COUNCIL MEETING. SO I KIND OF WENT AHEAD AND CHOSE PROJECTS THAT I THOUGHT WERE ACHIEVABLE AND WERE ABSOLUTE NECESSITIES THAT REALLY NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD AND OUT OF THIS WHOLE LIST. I BELIEVE THE CITY HALL IMPROVEMENTS WERE PUSHED. THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE PARKING LOT WAS PUSHED, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS WERE PUSHED, THE WATER TREATMENT OR THE SORRY. NO, THAT'S THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT.

YEAH. NO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS WERE PUSHED LOMAN FORWARD, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD STAY THE SAME. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BUDGET FOR WITHIN THE CIP. BUT IF THAT CHANGES, SUCH AS DAWN PARK AND BATON POINT, I'M PRETTY MUCH GOING TO GO BACK THERE RIGHT NOW AND ADD THOSE IN BECAUSE I WANT TO GET YOU GUYS THIS FULL CIP PLAN BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I NEED. OKAY. SO, SO I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THINGS THAT WERE PUSHED ARE UNCLEAR. DID YOU SAY THEY'RE PUSHED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ACHIEVABLE THIS YEAR OR BECAUSE YOU HAD GOTTEN A SENSE FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY WERE NOT HIGH ENOUGH PRIORITY TO DO THIS YEAR? IT WAS MORE JUST THE BUDGETING ASPECT AND SOMEWHAT OF ACHIEVABLE. AND UNTIL I GOT SAYING, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS, THIS IS AN ISSUE, PUT IT ON THE CIP, WHAT YEAR DO WE EXECUTE THIS? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M BRINGING TO COUNCIL TODAY.

THE I THINK IT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FOUR ITEMS AND THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE, THE REASON THAT THOSE ARE BEING MORE PUSHED BACK TO ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR IS DUE TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONE IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THE CAPACITY AT

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SO IT'S NOT A NECESSITY. AND THEN THERE'S MORE DATA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COLLECT FOR THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR TO ACTUALLY ASSESS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH CAPACITY BEFORE WE MAKE A HUGE LEAP IN TO DESIGNING. NOW, THESE ARE NOT WHAT YOU SEE FOR THOSE ITEMS. THESE ARE ONLY ENGINEERED ESTIMATES. THESE ARE NOT CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES. THIS IS JUST WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO LOOK AND GET A FEEL FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO CONSTRUCT IT? WHAT ARE WE CONSTRUCTING JUST TO GET US TO A GAME PLAN? EVEN IF WE GO THROUGH WITH DESIGN THIS YEAR, EXECUTION OF CONSTRUCTION CAN BE AFTER WE ALLOCATE FUNDING, WHEN WE FIND THE NEED FOR IT. BUT HAVING PLANS FOR DESIGNS SHELF READY IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR FUNDING. AND THAT KIND OF HASN'T BEEN THE CASE WITH A LOT OF THE CIP. IT'S BEEN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND YEAH, REALLY QUICK AND WITHIN A SHORT TIME FRAME. OKAY. SO I'M SORRY, I'M MY MIND'S NOT CLEAR YET. NO. SO SO ON PAGE 11, IF I COUNT IT RIGHT, THERE ARE 16 ITEMS ON THERE IN THE PACKET RANGING FROM TIER ONE TO TIER FOUR. AND THEN ON PAGE 12 IN THE 2627 COLUMN, THERE ARE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN ITEMS LISTED. AND SO PRESUMABLY SIX OF THOSE PREVIOUS ITEMS ARE NOT ON HERE. SO THE AND THAT'S KIND OF BECAUSE OF THE STREET REHABILITATION WITHIN STREET REHAB, THAT $12 MILLION, BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH ALLOCATION WE'VE MADE TOWARDS STREET REHAB AND THE SEQUENCING OF IT, WE NEED TO DO A CITYWIDE DRAINAGE STUDY BEFORE WE START REPAVING ROADS. AND ADDITIONALLY, WE NEED TO HIT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS THAT WE PROMISED IN PHASE THREE AND CORRECTING THOSE ISSUES BEFORE WE EVEN BEGIN PAVING ADDITIONAL ROADS.

SO THOSE ARE ALL BUNDLED TOGETHER TO KEEP THE SAME FUNDING AMOUNT OF 12 MILLION IN A SOLID LINE ITEM. BUT GETTING THOSE MOVED FORWARD IS KIND OF WHY YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE IN NUMBERING, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE THREE ITEMS HERE IS ACTUALLY ONE ITEM ON THE FISCAL YEAR.

AND AGAIN, WHENEVER YOU GET THE INDIVIDUAL PAGE, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY, WHEN YOU GET THE INDIVIDUAL PAGES, ALL THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE BROKEN OUT BY BUDGET. SO CAN YOU TELL US AGAIN? SO SOME OF THESE ITEMS ON PAGE 11 ARE MERGED TOGETHER AND ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR DOLLAR NUMBER ON THE NEXT PAGE. BUT YOU, I THINK YOU SAID BEFORE THERE WERE FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT IN YOUR COLUMN. CAN YOU CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN FOR ME? SO NO, ALL THE THE THREE WITHIN THE 26, 27 FISCAL YEAR, THE CITY HALL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.

YEAH. CITY HALL IMPROVEMENTS, LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE, REHAB, THOSE ARE NOT WITHIN THE BUDGET OF 2627 NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THEY ARE WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL THEY'RE STILL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. BUT IT'S JUST WHEN WE EXECUTE THEM, THE OTHER ITEM IS GOING TO BE THE EXPANSION. AND WATER TREATMENT PLANT THREE EXPANSION, THE LOW PERFORMANCE TRANSMISSION LINE. AND I THINK THE THIRD ONE IS THE FINISHED WATER TRANSMISSION LINE, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON HERE, BUT THAT WAS NOT EVEN CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THIS FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE OF TIMING, GETTING TRANSMISSION LINE, GETTING THE PLANT TAKES A LOT OF TIME GETTING THOSE TWO DESIGNED FIRST AND THEN HAVING THE ABILITY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE EVEN NEED TO RUN A TRANSMISSION LINE. IT'S ALL IT KIND OF WORKS IN TANGENT WITH EACH OTHER. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THIS APPROVED 2627 DOESN'T MEAN IT'S PART OF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE 27 OR PART OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. SO, AND AGAIN, WITH MISS VANESSA BRINGING UP DON POINT AND BOTTOM POINT, THAT'S A PERFECT. BRINGING THAT UP IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THOSE WERE NOT EVEN ON MY RADAR. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE DOING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, AND NOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT GETS ADDED AND WE'RE PLAYING AND WE'RE CRUNCHING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND. SO SO AGAIN, BACK TO THIS LIST ON PAGE 11. OTHER THAN THE FOUR YOU CALLED OUT, WHICH IS AT CITY HALL, ADA LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE, PARKING LOT, WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THREE EXPANSION, AND LOWMAN FORD TRANSMISSION LINE. NONE OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS ARE ON THIS YEAR'S CIP BUDGET THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US TONIGHT. YES, FOR THE COMING YEAR, FOR THE COMING YEAR AND BUT THE REST.

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IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT STAFF IS ASKING US FOR IS TO APPROVE THE 2627 COLUMN ON PAGE 12, AND YOU'RE NOT APPROVING PROJECT SCOPE, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING BUDGET AMOUNT, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING ANY OF THAT. IT'S JUST PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUDGETS FOR WITHIN THIS FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN. OKAY, SO NO NOTHING DESCRIPTION. NO. IF LIKE, IF YOU APPROVE, LIKE CEDAR BREAKS EXPANSION AND YOU DON'T WANT TO FULLY EXPAND IT, YOU WANT TO REDUCE THAT SCOPE THAT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE. WHEN YOU GET THE FULL FIVE YEAR CIP WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT INFORMATION, WHERE THE BUDGET'S BROKEN OUT AND EVERYTHING.

COUNCILOR PRINCE, I THINK I'LL PAUSE. THE MAYOR HAS HAD HIS HAND UP FOR A WHILE. OKAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THE ONE I'M NOT SEEING ON HERE IS THE AIRPORT RUNWAY. ANOTHER ONE I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. AND THIS THIS IS THE KEY REASON WHY THIS IS BEING BROUGHT FOR GUIDANCE. BECAUSE IF WE GET TOO FAR INTO THE BUDGET AND THEN ALL OF THIS COMES UP, IT'S. YEAH, WE'RE PLAYING CRUNCH TIME. WELL, WE NEED FOR THE AIRPORT RUNWAY IS I HAD FOR SOMETHING ALONG THE OTHER DAY, I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU IF YOU WEREN'T IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN TEX-DOT IS NEEDING THE MONEY FOR THE GRANT THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED.

SO WE NEED 600 000 AS OUR MATCHING PORTION OF THE 6 MILLION. AND IT WASN'T ENTIRELY CLEAR TO ME IF THEY NEED TO SEE THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2627, BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THE PROJECT COULD HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. SO WE JUST NEED TO HAVE STAFF MAYBE GO AND CLARIFY THAT FOR US. AND WHO OVERSEES THAT PROJECT OR WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT FUNDING SOURCE AND ALL OF THAT. HAD BEEN WORKED OUT WITH CHARLES. SO PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO CATCH UP ON. SO IT DID COME BEFORE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE THE NECESSARY RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCES TO SEND ON SO WE CAN LOOK BACK. I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4 MEETINGS AGO. THAT'S A GREAT CATCH, MAYOR. SO SO, VICTOR, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AND FOR CITIZENS, IT'S A $6 MILLION ISH GRANT. A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, I THINK. AND WE HAVE TO DO A 10% MATCH. AND AND SO OUR EXPENSE IS GOING TO BE 600 000 PLUS SOMETHING. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE HAVE TO SHOW THOSE FUNDS ALL IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, OR WHETHER SOME PORTION OF THAT WOULD BE IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. BUT PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE IN THE 26, 27, MAYBE 27, 28 TIME FRAME, LARGELY FUNDED BY BY GRANT. BUT THE CITY HAS A 10% MATCH TO PUT A PUT AGAINST IT. AND THE WHO HAS OR WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THOSE GRANT DOCUMENTS AND WHO HAS THAT INFORMATION TO ACTUALLY RELAY THIS THROUGH CIP AND DOCUMENT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. I THINK THE MAYOR WAS SAYING THAT MR. WEST HAD ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. CORRECT. YEAH, MR. WEST HAD IT. PLUS, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET WHEN WE APPROVED THE THE RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWED FOR IT. SO IT SHOULD BE ON THE LIST.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE PAPERWORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST NEED THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CIP WHERE THAT FUNDING IS COMING FROM. AND IT CAN BE WITHIN THIS. BUT AGAIN, LIKE THE PARKS IT COMES INTO, WHO'S LIKE, IS THAT A PROJECT THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT THAT'S BEING ADDED TO ALL OF CIP THAT'S NOW I'M IN CHARGE OF RECRUITMENT AND IN CHARGE OF REVIEWING. OF REVIEWING THE GRANTS AND ENSURING THAT STEPS ARE FOLLOWED. IT'S MORE OF WE MIGHT HAVE A GRANT, BUT WHO DOES THE FOLLOW THROUGH? AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST TOSS UP RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S A LOT TO PUT WITHIN A BUDGET ON SUCH A SHORT TIME FRAME. SURE. I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE DISCUSSED WITH YOU. SO IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEN LET'S GET

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SO POTENTIALLY THEY MAY ALSO BE PART OF THE OVERSIGHT FOR THIS, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT TOO. I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND FIND THE INFORMATION. BUT SO IN OTHER WORDS, NUMBERS WOULD BE ON HERE AND MAYBE JUST MAKING SURE. BUT I THINK THERE IN TERMS OF OVERALL MANAGEMENT, THERE WAS ANOTHER FIRM THAT I, I REMEMBER SEEING AN EMAIL, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY IN MY HAND. ALL RIGHT. BUT I NOTED YOUR QUESTIONS. MAYOR PRO TEM YES. GO AHEAD. MAYOR, THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS NEVER CLEAR ON WHAT THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY INITIATIVE IS LIKE. IF WE GET MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS. AND THEN I WAS NEVER I KNOW, VICTOR, DID YOU HAVE TOLD US A FEW TIMES WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STREET REHAB? IT JUST WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHY WE WERE FULLY DELAYING IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN I LOOK AT THE BASE BUDGET NOW WE'RE MAKING INCREASES TO STREETS, BUT WE HAVE THIS MONEY THAT WE HAD ALREADY PUT TOWARDS A PHASE THREE PROJECT OF DOING STREETS. SO IF THERE ARE PROJECTS IN THE CITY RELATED TO STREETS THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IN 26, THAT WE NEED TO RAISE OUR BASE BUDGET FOR, WHY WOULDN'T WE BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THEM IN THIS PHASE THREE? AND YOU HAVE 473 GRAND LISTED FOR 2627. IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I FORGET, AN EXTRA $200,000 IN THE BASE BUDGET, WHY NOT MAKE THAT 673,000 AND MAKE THAT PART OF THE PHASE THREE? IF ANY OF THESE STREETS WERE ONES THAT YOU GUYS HAD REVIEWED. RIGHT NOW IT COMES IN A SEQUENCING. I DON'T WANT TO GET TO A POINT TO WHERE WE'RE REPAVING ROADS THAT EVENTUALLY DON'T HAVE CULVERTS, NEED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. NOW WE'RE BACKTRACKING AND INSTALLING ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG WITH NOT EVEN BECAUSE THE ROADS THAT WERE IN PHASE THREE ARE ALL BY THE AIRPORT. AFTER REVIEWING PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND ALL THE PREVIOUS SIX YEARS OF ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN OVERLAID, THERE'S 250 ROADS, MAYBE MORE, THAT WERE NEVER PART OF THE EVALUATION AND HAVE NOT BEEN REHABBED IN OVER SIX YEARS. AND THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE THE WHOLE MATRIX IS BEING REVIEWED AGAIN. SO AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED QUITE A WHILE AGO. AND I PROVIDED A WHOLE SEQUENCING OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. AND THE FIRST ONE WAS THE RESTRIPING. THE SECOND ONE WAS EVALUATING OR GETTING THE DRAINAGE STUDY DONE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS, I BELIEVE, ROW MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS FOR PHASE THREE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PAVE THOSE ROADS BEHIND THE AIRPORT. BUT I STILL WANT TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR FIRE. ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT MAY BREAK OUT THERE, BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN THESE ROADS EVEN IN THE 4X4 TRUCK, YOU'RE THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT POTHOLES AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S NOT EASY TO TRAVERSE. YEAH. AND I THINK WE DID HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT PREVIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ROADS THAT NOBODY ACTUALLY LIVES ON. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WORK THAT'S HAPPENING THERE. ARE YOU AWARE THOUGH, HAVE YOU GOTTEN WITH ERNESTO WHATEVER HE HAS PUT INTO THE BASE BUDGET FOR WORK TO BE DONE ON STREETS THIS YEAR, MAKE SURE THERE'S NONE OF THOSE THAT ALSO NEED TO HAVE THE SEQUENCING AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS THAT ARE PLANNED TO BE WORKED ON ARE ONES THAT COULDN'T JUST BE AS PART OF THIS PHASE THREE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THEY'RE MORE OF SMALLER SECTIONS OF ROADS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME OUT AND PAVE ALL OF LOWMAN FORD. THAT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT WOULD OVERWHELM OUR STREET DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S MORE OF WITHIN THESE ROADS. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT MAJOR ROADWAYS WHERE A LOT OF RESIDENTS LIVE AND TACKLING THE BIG ROADWAYS FIRST. THAT'S WHY THE PRIORITY MATRIX IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOW BAD IS THE ROAD, IT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE ON THAT ROAD, HOW MUCH IS IT USED OUR EXISTING UTILITIES THERE BECAUSE IF MORE HOUSES BUILD, YOU HAVE TO RUN UTILITIES ACROSS THE ROAD AND NOW YOU'RE CUTTING THE ROAD THAT YOU JUST PAVED. SO IT'S NOT JUST A CONDITION, IT'S MORE OF AN EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAM. BUT IF COUNCIL DECIDES, NO, I WANT X, Y, AND Z ROADS PAVED NEXT YEAR, YOU ARE ALL FREE TO DO THAT. DON'T RECOMMEND IT, BUT YOU ARE ALL FREE TO TELL ME WHAT ROADS YOU WANT PAVED AND WE'LL GET THEM DONE. I GUESS MY QUESTION RELATED TO THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FINISHED PHASE 1 OR 2,

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AND THEN I KNOW MISTER ROBERTS WOULD BE HAPPY FOR ME TO MENTION THAT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AUSTIN BOULEVARD. IF THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST REHABBING THAT ROAD. THERE MIGHT BE SOME TITLE ISSUES AND SOME OTHER THINGS ON THE LEGAL SIDE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. SO FROM LEGAL, WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT IT IS A CITY OWNED ROAD, AND BECAUSE IT'S A CITY OWNED ROAD OR BECAUSE IT FALLS WITHIN THE CIP PLAN, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS PROVEN THAT THE CITY HAD BEEN MAINTAINING IT. SO IT IS A CITY OWNED ROAD, AND IT'S JUST MORE OF THE LEGAL PROCESS TO ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO THE CITY'S NAME. IT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE 250 ROADS. BUT AS I SAID, I'M GOING TO TREAT EVERY SINGLE ROAD EQUALLY UNTIL THE MATRIX IS PUT TOGETHER AND FULLY EVALUATED ALL AT ONCE. I'M NOT GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE A SINGLE ROAD AGAIN. YOU GUYS TELL ME YOU. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE. MOVE FORWARD ON CIP PLAN MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO IT. I WOULD ADD TO MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT I WAS ASKING COUNCIL IF WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THIS YEAR'S STREETS AND GO TOWARDS THIS. I WOULD ALSO ADD AUSTIN BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT IS A SITUATION WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE HOA HAD PAID TO DO SOME OF THIS WHEN THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE, AS WE'VE NOW IDENTIFIED, THAT THE CITY OWNS IT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. DISCUSS. SO COMING BACK, DOES ANYBODY ELSE. COUNCILOR PRINCE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER. WELL, MY MAYOR, YOU SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE STREET BUDGET THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF $200,000. I'M I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT THAT STREET, THE STREET DEPARTMENT INSIDE OF GENERAL FUND, YOU'RE SAYING, HAS A $200,000 INCREASE? I THOUGHT I SAW IN MAINTENANCE THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR MAINTENANCE IN ADDITION AND A REQUEST FOR SUPPLIES. AND WHEN I ADDED IT TOGETHER, A COUPLE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS, I CAME UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL. BUT LET ME LOOK THROUGH AND BUDGET HERE AND FIND IT AGAIN, I SEE. YEAH, NO, I SEE, I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT STREET MATERIALS AND MAINTENANCE AND IT MIGHT BE WORTH. ERNESTO, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMMENTING ON THAT, IS THAT IS THAT THE THE MAYOR LAYING OUT A NARRATIVE WHERE HE'S SAYING THERE'S SOME INCREASES IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS GENERAL FUND, WHICH MAYBE SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER OUR STREET REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT CAPITAL PROJECT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? NOT REALLY. ONE OF THOSE ROADS IS DEEP CREEK. WE REQUESTED A $75,000 TO CORRECT AN ISSUE ON THE ROAD ENGINEERING, WHICH WAS DONE LAST FISCAL YEAR AND NEXT NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WE'RE HOPING TO CORRECT IT. THE CUL DE SAC IS NOT PROPERLY BUILT, SO WE NEED TO REPAIR TO MAKE THAT REPAIR. SO THAT WAS 75,000. THE STREET MATERIAL. WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AT LEAST ONE CUL DE SAC A YEAR AS A, YOU KNOW, PROGRESSIVE, KIND OF LIKE VICTOR MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE STAFF, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT KIND OF THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS IN-HOUSE SMALL PROJECTS AND CUL DE SACS, SMALL STREETS LIKE THAT. SO JUST MINOR REALLY FOR CIP. AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR CULVERTS. WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT A DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM SO THAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY DO THE DITCHES AND REPLACE COVERS THAT BELONG TO THE CITY THAT ARE BEING CRUSHED OR NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. SO THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THEY ADD THE ADDITIONAL.

EVERYTHING COMES. SO YEAH, TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'S NOT AN EXACT APPLES TO APPLES FIT WITH WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER REHAB PROJECTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING PHASE THREE.

BUT TO ME, THOSE SOUND LIKE THEY COULD QUALIFY IF THEY WERE REALLY NECESSARY UNDER THE C O BOND. YEAH, I GUESS MY, MY TAKE, MY THINKING IS THE C-O BOND IS KIND OF OVERSUBSCRIBED ALREADY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE MORE THINGS WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON THAN WE HAVE DOLLARS LEFT. I GUESS WE COULD TAKE SOME SOME MONEY FROM THE FUND AND APPLY IT TO AND DO A TRANSFER FROM THE FUND INTO THE STREET DEPARTMENT, OR MAYBE MOVE PROJECTS OUT. BUT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST SHIFTING THE PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO, AS VICTOR LAID OUT, THERE'S ALREADY MORE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO

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BUT WHEN IT CAME OUT TO PAVING, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE ROAD WAS BUILT WITHIN A PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THEY BASICALLY BUILT THE CUL DE SAC TOO EARLY, AND IT WAS ENCOMPASSING ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY. SO THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK AND ACTUALLY FULLY RECONSTRUCTED. THAT'S WHY I WENT THROUGH A DESIGN. IT WENT THROUGH FULL DESIGN AND EVERYTHING AND PULLING THAT INTO A STREET REHAB PLAN VERY MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY THIS ROAD COST X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS WHEN ALL YOUR OTHER ROADS COSTED VERY LITTLE. SO YOU'RE UTILIZING YOUR CO BONDS SOMEWHAT INEFFICIENTLY WHEN YOU COULD TACKLE 5 OR 6 ROADS. BUT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. YEAH, I GUESS I, I KIND OF HEAR IT THE SAME WAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND THOUGH, RIGHT? I'M GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY ON THIS.

WHEN I WENT OUT AND GOT C-O BONDS FOR IT. BUT IT'S JUST A YOU CAN MAKE DIFFERENT POLICY ARGUMENTS FOR IT, I GUESS. NOW I APPRECIATE AND YOU PROVIDED IS HELPFUL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND AGAIN, IF THAT IF THE AREA IS TO TAKE THAT OUT AND PUT IT INTO THE BONDS AND UTILIZE THE BONDS TO PAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO IT. IT'S JUST THE QUESTION OF DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE 12 MILLION FOR REHAB, OR IS THAT AN INDEPENDENT PROJECT? I WAS PROPOSING OUT OF THE REHAB? SO I WOULD JUST NEED VICTOR. I THINK WE'RE GROUPING WITH NOW IS WELL, AT LEAST I WILL SAY IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. I WAS WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO DECIPHER WHAT HAS HAPPENED PRIOR IS THAT OUR VENDORS WERE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT THAT IT WAS DESCRIBED AND THEN HAD MONEY LEFT OVER. AND I THINK WHERE THE MAYOR IS GOING IS IF WE HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN IN PHASE THREE, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF THERE IS MONEY WHERE THEY COME IN UNDER BUDGET, THEN UTILIZE THAT INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL FUNDS, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS. SO AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M PRESCRIBING FROM IT. OKAY.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE PHASE THREE, NOT NEXT FISCAL YEAR. IF WE DON'T HAVE A A DRAINAGE STUDY DONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF BACK AT SQUARE ONE WHERE WE'RE I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO JUST GO

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SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONE THIS YEAR. AND THEN GOING FORWARD. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN YOUR BASE BUDGET AND NOT USE IT AS A SPECIAL PROJECT. IF YOU WANT ME TO SAY IT WILL BE LESS, IT'LL BE LESS. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIPPING UP ONE AND HAVING TO REPLACE IT RATHER THAN CREATING ONE GOING FORWARD. OKAY. TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL OF THE CIP. ONCE WE HAVE A MATRIX AND WE HAVE ITEMS WHERE CODES ARE NEEDED AND THEY RANK HIGH, THOSE WILL BE IN-HOUSE OVERLAYS, OKAY, VERSUS GETTING LONGER ROADS TO BE CONTRACTED OUT. OKAY. AND THEN THE CULVERTS YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING OF, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN FREQUENTLY. SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A ONE TIME EVENT FOR YES, THE LOCATION IS DIFFERENT, BUT OVER TIME, YEAR OVER YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND DO CULVERTS AROUND THE CITY. SO THAT REALLY SHOULD BE BUILT INTO YOUR BASE BUDGET AS WELL. CORRECT? IT IS NOW. IT IS NOW. THAT'S WHY I'M AFRAID OF MOVING THESE NUMBERS AROUND AND TRYING TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF A, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND PUTTING IT IN TO A, INTO A DIFFERENT AREA. I THINK THAT'S REALLY JUST SHUFFLING IT AROUND WHEN IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE, I THINK IS WHAT COUNCIL HAD STATED. AND THE MONEY VIRTUALLY STAYS THE SAME. IT'S JUST THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE'RE PULLING IT FROM. AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUOUS THING, WHY PUT IT IN A SPECIAL PROJECT AREA WHEN IT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR BASE OPERATING BUDGET? THANK YOU. IF I COULD ADD, HE'S ALSO ASKING FOR AN EXTRA THREE FTES. SO IT'S MORE ABOUT YOU'RE IN A TIGHT BUDGET YEAR AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE CAN YOU ALLOCATE RESOURCES THE MOST? IF WE HAVE CONTRACTORS IN TOWN DOING STREETS, THEN YOU DON'T NEED EXTRA FTES AND USE THOSE CONTRACTORS TO DO IT. AND IF WE NEED EXTRA FTE, SAY, IN CITY HALL, THEN THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE MOVES AND CHANGE THINGS AROUND. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THERE ARE PLACES WHERE YOU DO HAVE TO MOVE THINGS, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A $75,000 REDO EVERY YEAR. NOW, YOU CLARIFIED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A ONE TIME EXPENSE FOR THIS ONE PARTICULAR ROAD, AND THEN GOING FORWARD, THE CREATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE CLOSER TO ABOUT 40. I WOULD THINK IT DEPENDS ON MATERIAL MATERIALS AND YEAH, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DO DEMOLITION, DO ALL THE, YOU KNOW, REMOVE ALL THAT CONCRETE AND THEN GO DOWN. SO SO THAT'D BE GOING FORWARD. IT'D BE PROBABLY ABOUT 30, 40 LESS.

YEAH, IT'D BE GRINDING. WE'LL DO THAT IN HOUSING, THE HAULING OF THE MATERIAL, THE CHIPPINGS AND THEN BUYING THE ASPHALT. AND THEN THEN THE STAFF WILL DO THE LABOR BECAUSE IT IS AN INTERNAL STAFF STILL COSTS MONEY. YEAH. YEAH. I'M ARGUING THAT I KNOW IF ANY DEPARTMENTS ARE UNDERSTAFFED IT'S DEFINITELY YOURS. SO I'LL JUST ADD THAT I THINK I'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE OFF TOPIC. I KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO BE DONE ON THE CIP. MY THINKING IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN A PLACE WHERE I WOULD VOTE ON IT. OR HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT, OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? I'LL JUST SAY, VICTOR, I'M GETTING THERE, BUT NOT THERE QUITE YET. ON ALL THE ITEMS I RECOGNIZE THAT'S PUTTING YOU IN A PINCH. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO DATE, AND YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF INFORMATION.

UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT REALLY FEELS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION REGARDING, THIS WOULD BE ON 8.2. IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT LIST. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE IN THE SPACE OF GUIDANCE TO STAFF. AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THESE PARKS PROJECTS. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. AND IT'S AND THE AIRPORT PROJECT. SO SO YOU'VE RECEIVED SOME GUIDANCE FROM US. AND SO MAYBE YOU CAN UPDATE THE LIST AND, AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, CONFUSION,

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IT'S JUST MORE OF WHAT ON THE FIVE YEAR CIP DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED OR WHAT CAN BE PUSHED BACK? AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THOSE THREE ITEMS, THE TWO GOVERNMENT PROJECTS AND THE TWO WATER LINES. AND THOSE DID GET PUSHED TO THE ADDITIONAL FISCAL YEAR. BUT IT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE WHENEVER I PRESENT THE FULL FIVE YEAR CIP, YOU'RE SEEING EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO. AND THEN I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I'LL SEND YOU THE. THAT DON CIRCLE PROPOSAL. I'LL POINT YOU TO THE SUBSET OF SLIDES IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT WOULD GIVE YOU KIND OF THAT OVERALL COSTING OF THAT. AND THEN YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT BID SOLICITATION ON BOWDEN. SO YOU YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE INFORMATION ON ANY OF THE VENDORS THAT HAVE BID ON THAT BOWDEN PARK PROPOSED PROJECT, RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT TRAIL ON THE TRAIL ON BOWDEN. YOU WE HAD ASKED YOU TO GO AHEAD AND DO A CLUB HAD A VENDOR LINED UP, BUT WE HAD TO GO AHEAD AND GET TWO ADDITIONAL VENDORS TO THAT PROPOSAL. OH, THAT'S ERIC, I'M SORRY. I WAS LIKE, SORRY, I KNOW I'M TIRED, BUT I'M NOT TIRED. ME TOO. OKAY. ANYWAYS, ERIC HAS THAT INFO BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE BEEN GETTING SOME GOOD INFORMATION IN. SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE COSTING ON THAT BECAUSE YOU MADE THE YOU COULD SEND THAT TO ME BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO, OH, OKAY. SURE. YEAH. SO THE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION, I WILL HAVE TO VISIT WITH THEM ON THAT. OKAY. BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND GET THESE ITEMS ON THERE. FOR TIME SAKE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE PLACEHOLDERS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE REAL DESCRIPTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THERE. IT'S JUST TO GET THESE ITEMS ON THERE AND GET SENT TO YOU. BECAUSE THE BIGGEST THING WITH CIP IS THE AFTER PULLING IN THE, I GUESS, ARE WE GOING TO GO TO THE ACTUAL BUDGET AND NOT AND, AND JUMP OFF THIS ITEM? OR ARE WE GOING TO REVISIT THE CIP PLAN, THE FIVE YEAR. ACTUALLY, THE CIP WAS I WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ON MONDAY THE 24TH VICTOR. AND I REALLY I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HERE. AND SO IT'LL BE YOUR MESTO AND RON, I DO HAVE ONE ITEM THAT I'M GOING TO NEED TO BRING UP BEFORE LONG. SO EVEN IF WE. ON THE BUDGET PORTION, WHEN I TALK ABOUT FURTHER CONVERSATION ON THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD WAIT JUST A LITTLE BIT AND GO AHEAD AND FINISH ONE OTHER ITEM BEFORE WE COME BACK TO IT. YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS PLANNING TO NOT TO REALLY SPEAK ON THE ACTUAL BUDGET. THIS ITEM WAS JUST TO GET GUIDANCE ON YES OR NO OR ADD. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS THAT LATER WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE 2627 BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT, I THINK WE'VE. I THINK THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION ON THAT. RIGHT.

RIGHT NOW. AND I DID OPEN UP THE BUDGET WORK SESSION, BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL INDULGE ME.

WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE FOR THAT OTHER ITEM THAT I WAS TRYING TO CALL EARLIER. IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST STOP THE BUDGET DISCUSSION AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO IT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT, COUNSELOR CHAVARRIA? YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, I THINK ONE AND TWO, I MEAN, EIGHT ONE AND EIGHT TWO ARE DONE. WE'LL COME BACK TO WORK. SESSION TWO. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO BACK

[IX.1. Discussion regarding the City's Zoning Ordinance, Section 8-10, and City Code, Section 6-65, concerning commercial trailers parked within residential public rights-of-way]

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THANK YOU CHRISTIE, AT THIS POINT. SO CHRISTIE WILLIAMS, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND COME UP.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I'M SORRY I WAS LATE IN THE BEGINNING. I THOUGHT I WOULD BE SPEAKING DURING THE AGENDA ITEM. SO THE WORK SESSION. SO I THINK 930 OR 10 WOULD BE SAFE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT. SO YES. SO I'M, I WANT TO BE CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING, I BROUGHT THIS MATTER TO DISCUSSION, NOT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT TO JUST IN AWE. ACTUALLY, THE PARKING OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I HAVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN MOVED ALREADY. BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 90 DAYS THAT IT TOOK TO GET FROM MY FIRST CONTACT WITH THE CITY TO THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT MOVING OF THE VEHICLES. AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU ALL HAVE MY ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR THE COUNCIL THAT INCLUDES PICTURES AND VIDEO. OKAY, SO YEAH, IN EARLY APRIL, I LEFT TWO VOICE MESSAGES ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT EXTENSION ABOUT THESE VEHICLES PARKED AT 8407 BARK RANCH ROAD. MY CALLS WEREN'T RETURNED. SO ON APRIL 13TH, I SUBMITTED A WRITTEN EMAIL COMPLAINT AND A VIDEO SHOWING THE 18 WHEELER AND THE BIG COMMERCIAL TRAILER THAT WAS PARKED ON THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE TO THAT COMPLAINT. SO ON MAY 1ST, I SUBMITTED A TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST ASKING FOR RECORDS ABOUT THIS MATTER.

THE CITY'S RESPONSE WAS TWO EMAILS. ONE WAS MY COMPLAINT EMAIL AND THE OTHER ONE WAS ANOTHER CITIZEN'S. THERE WERE NO INSPECTION REPORTS, NO NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NO CITATIONS, NO OTHER RECORDS SHOWING THAT A FORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE HAD BEEN OPENED. SO THAT SAME DAY, I DID GET A PHONE CALL FROM OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, CHARLES WEST, WHO TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD GET SOMEONE TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER AGAIN, THAT WAS MAY 1ST, AND THEN ALMOST EIGHT WEEKS LATER, ON JUNE 23RD, I SENT ANOTHER EMAIL TO MR. WEST BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL TRAILER WAS STILL THERE. AND IN THAT 90 DAY SPAN, IT WAS EITHER BOTH THE 18 WHEELER WITH THE TRAILER ATTACHED, PLUS A SECOND TRAILER, OR JUST THE TRAILER THAT THEY KIND OF GOT MOVED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT SO ON JUNE 23RD, I SENT ANOTHER EMAIL TO MR. WEST BECAUSE THE TRAILER WAS STILL THERE, AND HE RESPONDED VIA EMAIL SAYING THAT THAT TRAILER WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN MOVED. I WILL GET WITH THE CODE OFFICER AND THE OWNER TO GET IT MOVED. AND THEN THE TRAILER, BECAUSE I PASSED IT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, I KNOW THAT IT REMAINED THERE UNTIL JULY 9TH, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 90 DAYS FROM MY FIRST VOICEMAILS. I LEFT FOR THE CITY. THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS QUITE CLEAR ABOUT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO WHAT I'M ASKING TONIGHT IS THAT THE COUNCIL ADDRESS THE PROCESS FOR ENFORCING CITIZEN COMPLAINT CODE. YOU KNOW, THE VIOLATION REPORTING. SO I HAVE I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SIX QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THE CITY'S STANDARD PROCESS FOR RESPONDING TO A ZONING VIOLATION COMPLAINT? SECOND, WHEN DOES THE CITY MOVE FROM VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE TO A FORMAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR OTHER ENFORCEMENT ACTION? THIRD, WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE THAT FORMAL ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT OCCUR? AND FOURTH, IS THERE ANY WRITTEN CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY THAT CITIZENS CAN LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND AND HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT THE PROCESS IS? FIFTH, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY SOFTWARE OR TRACK A TRACKING SYSTEM FOR DOCUMENTING, ASSIGNING, INVESTIGATING, AND FOLLOWING UP ON CODE COMPLAINTS? AND IF SO, IS IT BEING USED? AND LASTLY, IS THERE A POLICY REQUIRING THE CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH CITIZENS WHO CALL TO COMPLAIN? IN SUMMARY, I BELIEVE RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE REPEATED PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS TO HAVE A CLEAR CODE VIOLATION ENFORCED. I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL USE THIS EXPERIENCE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. THANK YOU KRISTEN. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NONSTOP ISSUES OF MISSING CONTEXT. EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS ACCURATE. THE REASON THOSE TRUCKS CAME AND WENT AND IT WAS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TRAILERS. WE LOADED UP PROBABLY EIGHT DIFFERENT LOADS OF ALL THEIR BURNT HOUSEHOLD BELONGINGS AND EVERYTHING THEY OWNED. THE REASON IT GOT MOVED IN FRONT, I TALKED TO PD ABOUT THIS, AND RON JOYCE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO SOMEONE. WE HAD PEOPLE TRYING TO BREAK IN, SO WE NEEDED TO SECURE THAT DRIVEWAY BECAUSE CARS KEPT DRIVING DOWN IN TO LOOT THE HOUSE THAT WAS BURNT DOWN, AND THERE'S JUST NO OFFICIAL PROCESS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS PERMITTED. LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THIS ISSUE CONTINUES ON WITH WHEN THERE IS SMALLER PERMITS LIKE NON POINT PERMITS, THINGS LIKE THIS. THERE'S JUST NOT A GOOD COMMUNICATION METHOD. AND THEN EXACERBATING MORE OF WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP. WE DON'T HAVE A CODE ENFORCER AS OF TODAY. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ONE EMPLOYEE IS GONE ALREADY HAD TERRIBLE COMMUNICATION. CERTIFICATIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF NOT ACTUALLY GETTING PEOPLE CERTIFIED TO WHAT THEY NEED. I'M NOT TRYING TO DRAG THIS OUT, BUT EVERYTHING THEY BROUGHT UP IS SUPER IMPORTANT. I'M COLD. I'M SORRY I'VE BEEN OUTSIDE IN 100 DEGREE WEATHER. THIS FEELS LIKE FREEZING TO ME. WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE? YEAH, IT'S JUST IT'S A COMMUNICATION ISSUE. WE DO HAVE MGO. IT'S TERRIBLE, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A WAY FOR CODE PD AND ANYONE ELSE TO ACCESS THIS. HISTORICALLY, WE HAD IT TO WHERE THIS WAS PUBLIC RECORD, PUBLIC INFORMATION. ANYONE COULD LOOK UP IF THERE WAS A PERMIT.

RECENT PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER HERE OBFUSCATED THAT PROCESS, MAKING THIS EVEN MORE DIFFICULT.

I'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN PD WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO KNOW ABOUT WHEN PERMITS ARE ACTIVE OR NOT. SO THAT LEADS TO 3 A.M. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WALKING ON YOUR PROPERTY INSTANCES. THIS IS JUST AGAIN AND AGAIN A COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN. AND I

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THANK YOU. DOES. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. YES. SO MR. LARKIN STATED THAT HE DOES HAVE AN ACTIVE PERMIT. SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO CLARIFY IF THAT'S IF ANYONE ON STAFF KNOWS IF THAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, YOU KNOW. I CAN HAVE STAFF RESEARCH THAT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNSELOR. I HAVE A FEW THINGS HERE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. WELL, YEAH, I JUST I MEAN, FOR ME, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS HERE. THERE'S ONE, THE ORDINANCES ARE CLEAR AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE ORDINANCES DON'T ALLOW. IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION. SO YOU KNOW HOW WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF SITUATION.

YEAH. COMMENTS ON THAT PARTICULARLY CHIEF. I DON'T BELIEVE ORDINANCES WOULD SUPERSEDE THE PERMIT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW WORK TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR VEHICLES TO BE PARKED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO THERE'S THAT. YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE PERMIT CONFUSION THERE. AND THEN SECONDLY, JUST THE COMMUNICATION. I AGREE WITH THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE CITY COULD BE A LOT BETTER IN COMMUNICATING WITH CITIZENS AROUND PERMITS, FEEDBACK ON REQUESTS. AT THE SAME TIME, I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THE STAFF WHO WOULD DO THE COMMUNICATING IS TENDS TO BE EXTREMELY OVER OVERWORKED, OVERLOADED WITH WITH TASKS. SO IT'S NOT AN EASY, EASY SITUATION TO ADDRESS. I'M I'M HOPEFUL THAT AS THE NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER COMES IN HERE PRETTY SOON, I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS IS SOME, YOU KNOW, TOPIC THAT COUNCIL TAKES UP WITH HIM OR HER TO, TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME PROCESSES IN PLACE TO HELP STAFF BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IN A WAY THAT'S EFFICIENT AND USEFUL FOR CITIZENS. MR. KING IS RAISING HIS HAND, BUT ONE SECOND. SO AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK REAL QUICK, CHRISTY, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CITIZEN REQUEST TRACKER THAT WE HAVE ONLINE? DID YOU? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN REQUEST TRACKER WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT IN INFORMATION. AND IT, IT BASICALLY TRACKS AND IS SUPPOSED TO AND I SAY IS OPPOSED TO BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL EVALUATING SOME OF OUR SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW, QUITE FRANKLY. AND IT HAS ON HERE CODE COMPLIANCE, VIOLATION OF WHERE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED GOES IN THERE.

AND SO AS ACTIVITY OCCURS, AS I UNDERSTAND, IN TERMS OF CODE VIOLATION AND FORGIVE ME, I DON'T WANT TO MISSTATE THIS, BUT THERE IS A, A PROCESS OF SENDING A LETTER AND THEN GOING BACK OUT TO SEE IF SOMETHING IS CORRECTED. IF IT IS NOT CORRECTED, THEN IT GOES TO ANOTHER LETTER AND THEN YOU KNOW. SO THERE IS A DEFINED PROCESS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCES FOR ANY KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND THIS PARTICULAR CITIZEN REQUEST TRACKER IS SUPPOSED TO LET ANYONE WHO HAS PUT ONE OF THAT IN KNOW WHEN THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. NOW THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, WE'VE RUN INTO SOME CHALLENGES, LIKE WITH MGO CONNECT WHERE THERE WAS INFORMATION AND THEN IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT. RIGHT NOW, COUNSELORS NOT EVEN USED TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO IT. THEY UPGRADED THE SYSTEM. IT

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SO THERE'S NO. YEAH, CONSIDERING IT'S JUST A WORK SESSION. I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REALLY MINDFUL OF THE TWO VERY SEPARATE ORDINANCES THAT APPLY TO THE SAME SITUATION. AND THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION OF A RESIDENTIAL SOMEBODY THAT'S USING THEIR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE AND PARKING IT IN THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THERE'S TEMPORARY WORK OR CONSIDERED TEMPORARY WORK. SO WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY, WITH SOMEONE THAT'S CALLING IN A CODE ENFORCEMENT OR VIOLATION, THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL UP A THROUGH NGO OR WHEREVER, PULL UP A PERMIT NUMBER, SEE THE EXACT ISSUE, DATE, SCOPE OF SCOPE OF WORK, AND, YOU KNOW, TERMINATION OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN TEMPORARY WORK FOR, FOR THAT ADDRESS. SO THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT US TO START AMENDING OR CHANGING ORDINANCES. WE HAVE ENOUGH WORK UNDER OUR BELT RIGHT NOW. WHEN THIS IS A WHEN IT'S ALREADY CLEARLY DEFINED AS TO WHAT THESE ARE ABOUT THAT AND IT TALKS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL RIGHTS OF WAY. AND SO OUR CODES ARE ACTUALLY DECENT IN HERE EXCEPT FOR THE IMPROVED SUPPORTING SURFACES. I DO HOPE THAT WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. I MEAN, IS THAT YOU KNOW IS THAT CRUSHED GRANITE? IS IT CONCRETE? IS IT PAVERS? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS IS ACTUALLY ACTIVELY WORKING ON AS WELL. BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR EXISTING CODE.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THERE, BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT THERE'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT ARE APPLIED TO THIS INCIDENT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR VENICE, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. YOUR PERSISTENCE IN REPORTING THE CODE VIOLATION AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND TOWN SEE STUFF AND THEY GIVE UP AFTER A WHILE. SO I THINK THE QUESTIONS YOU ARTICULATED ARE SPOT ON AS WELL. AS FAR AS WE DON'T HAVE GOOD ANSWERS FOR ALL OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT'S A CLEAR AREA THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED PREVIOUSLY THAT WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF WORK IN AND IMPROVE, BUT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD. THAT WAS MY TOTAL PURPOSE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, MAYOR, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY. NO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, IF THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ELSE, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CHRISTINE. THANK YOU.

DAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOING BACK. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO START GOING BACK DOWN THE LIST, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO BUDGET TO SEE IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ENERGY LEFT AT

[VIII.3. Consider, discuss, and take action regarding development and implementation of a Citywide Performance Management Framework incorporating departmental key performance indicators, Council performance dashboards, employee performance standards, and merit-based compensation principles; and providing direction to the Interim City Manager and staff regarding implementation.]

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AND WHAT I'D ASK IS FOR THE MAYOR, PRO TEM AND COUNCILOR VAN NESS TO CHIME IN WHEN I'M DONE TALKING, AND YOU GUYS WILL HAVE A LOT MORE DOCUMENTS TO PROVIDE. BUT TO MY PORTION OF IT, I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE GIVE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO LOOK THROUGH THIS CONCEPT OF THE KPIS AND MERIT BASED PAY AND THE DASHBOARDS, AND GET THEIR INPUT AND FEEDBACK AND SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD. MY THINKING ON THE KPIS SORT OF THINGS IS, IS BACK TO THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE INCREASES FOR DIFFERENT SALARIES OR STAFF, THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL TIED TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN A RECOMMENDATION FROM EITHER THE CITY MANAGER OR OTHERS. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CITY STAFF TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OR HAVE A BETTER PLAN FOR HOW THEY CAN ACHIEVE MERIT INCREASES OR COLA OR ADDITIONAL. AND THEY CAN BE THE ONES WHO SPELL OUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. HERE ARE MY KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL SETS ITS GOALS, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER WORKS WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STAFF TO ESTABLISH THESE. BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS GETS OUR EMPLOYEES THE INPUT THAT THEY WANT TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON THIS YEAR. IF I HIT THESE KEY PERFORMANCES, THIS IS WHAT MY PAY COULD BECOME. IF COUNCIL AGREES TO DO MERIT BASED INCREASES THIS YEAR, OVERALL, I THINK IT'LL BE A BETTER WAY TO GET OUR STRATEGY PUT OUT THERE FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM. AND THEN ON THE DASHBOARDS, I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR, PRO TEM AND COUNCILOR VANESSA HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS GETTING US SOME SORT OF DASHBOARDS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE AN INTERIM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, OR WHEN WE WILL HAVE AN INTERIM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN HERE FOR A WHILE, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO GET THAT FEEDBACK AND TO PROGRESS THESE ITEMS. AND I KNOW ON A PORTION OF THIS, TOO, I WANTED TO BRING CHIEF IN. YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN BLESSED, I GUESS, TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN HE APPLIED TO BE CHIEF OF POLICE, THAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT HE'S HAD SOME GOOD OBSERVATIONS, I THINK, IN HIS TIME HERE. SO I'D LIKE TO BRING HIM IN HERE SHORTLY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS THIS KPI SYSTEM AND MERIT PAY CAN DO FOR STAFF AND ITS IMPORTANCE IN THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION AND STRUCTURE AT CITY HALL. ALL RIGHT. CAN I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? SURE. GREAT. SO I'VE READ THROUGH THE THE PROPOSAL, THE LANGUAGE, AND THE THING I THINK IS MOST INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS WHEN THE SECTION ON PAGE 17 THAT SAYS WHAT COUNCIL IS AND IS NOT DOING, I THINK I THINK THAT TELLS THE WHOLE STORY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING. IT APPEARS THAT THE COUNCIL'S WANTING TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO TO THE CITY MANAGER TO ADOPT A SYSTEM THAT WOULD NOT ONLY RECOGNIZE GOOD PERFORMANCE, BUT TELL THEM WHAT GOOD PERFORMANCE LOOKS LIKE.

HOW DO EMPLOYEES KNOW WHAT TARGET TO SHOOT FOR IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE RULES OF THE GAME? AND SO I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISED WHEN I CAME TO THE CITY AND FOUND OUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN EVALUATION SYSTEM. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASKED IS, WHAT IS THE EVALUATION SYSTEM HERE? AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE. AND SO IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I CREATED AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS AN EVALUATION SYSTEM DISTRIBUTED SO THAT SUPERVISORS WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RATING THEIR EMPLOYEES ON, AND EMPLOYEES KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RATED ON. THAT WAS ACTUALLY SET TO BE DONE THIS MONTH. AND SOME THINGS THAT HAVE PUSHED THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO TELL EMPLOYEES WHAT THE MARK IS AND TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE MAKING IT OR MISSING IT. AND SO I THINK HAVING PERFORMANCE INDICATORS IS IMPORTANT. I THINK HAVING HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM AND GIVING THEM THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN SAYING, THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE'RE GOING TO USE TO ESTABLISH IF YOU'RE PERFORMING IT TO STANDARDS OR EXCEEDING THOSE STANDARDS TO GET A MERIT OR NOT EXCEEDING THOSE STANDARDS. AND SO YOU DON'T GET A MERIT, I THINK. SO I THINK IT WOULD HELP MORALE NOT ONLY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF. AND SO I'M ALL ABOUT THIS. THIS IS IMPORTANT IN LEADERSHIP TO GIVE YOUR EMPLOYEES FEEDBACK. AND AND THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY OF DOING IT. IT STARTS FROM THE TOP. Y'ALL GIVE THE BROAD GUIDANCE, SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND THEN THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT ALLOWS THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE INPUT FURTHER AND ALLOWS DEPARTMENT HEADS TO REALLY DEFINE WHAT'S IN THEIR

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ACTUALLY, THAT WAS JUST TO HAND IT OFF TO YOU ON THE DASHBOARDS PART OF IT. THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS THAT I HAD EARLY ON, AND SO WHERE THIS HAS BEEN DRIVING FROM IS THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT AFTER WE HAD OUR STRATEGIC PLAN DONE, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES OR GOALS FOR THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAPPED OUT FOR EACH OF THE EMPLOYEES AND TIED BACK. AND THEN IN THE REPORTING, I MEAN, THERE WAS NOW I'M GOING TO SAY EMPLOYEES WERE DOING JUST THE BEST THAT THEY COULD AND ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, STATED. BUT HERE WAS A CHALLENGE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A DASHBOARD THAT WAS AN ONGOING REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. AND MY OBSERVATION WAS THAT THERE'S SEVEN OF US UP HERE THAT SEE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE REALLY GOOD IDEAS TO IMPLEMENT OR FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO BE IMPROVED. AND SO THEN ON TOP OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WITHOUT HAVING A DASHBOARD OR SOMETHING THAT ALREADY SHOWED THE CAPACITY OR THE GOALS THAT THE OUR STAFF ALREADY HAD, THEN STAFF, Y'ALL HAD INFINITE TIME AND INFINITE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE MAY FEEL NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND BY THE WAY, YESTERDAY. SO THAT WAS THE GENERAL IMPETUS BEHIND THIS. THE SECOND WAS AS A CITY COUNCIL PERSON, WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO OUR RESIDENTS HERE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE CITY AND HOW WE'RE DOING AND ACTUALLY BRAG ON OUR STAFF IN TERMS OF THE GOALS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BEING ACHIEVED AND WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SOMETHING COMING BACK TO US, WE REALLY WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS THAT STAFF MOVES MOUNTAINS MANY TIMES, BUT YET THERE'S REALLY NOT ANY MECHANISM BY WHICH WE SEE IT OR THAT THE RESIDENTS SEE IT. AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE, THE INITIAL WORK BEHIND IT. I BEGAN WORKING ON WHAT THOSE DASHBOARDS COULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST IN TERMS OF STAFF PERFORMANCE, IT WAS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO TO WORK TOWARDS GOALS. BUT IT'S ALSO WAS A, IT BECOMES A COMMUNICATION TOOL. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING QUITE RIGHT, IT'S NOT A LOT OF TIMES NOT STAFF NEEDS MORE RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAS BROKE, SOMETHING HAS WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN TOOL IN PLACE. AND THIS WAS AN INDICATOR TO SHOW US THAT, WAIT A MINUTE. WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON THESE GOALS. AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE AS COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING INITIATIVE TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS ON THESE PERFORMANCE DASHBOARDS AND THEN BEGAN SPEAKING WITH COUNCILOR VAN NESS, AND SHE INTRODUCED ME TO OPERATIONAL KEY RESULTS. SO WITH THAT, IF I CAN GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO WHAT I HAVE MORE RECENTLY, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SURE. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A FRAMEWORK THAT WE COULD ESTABLISH SOMETHING I SUGGESTED THAT'S WORKED REALLY WELL IN THE CORPORATE WORLD IS OKRS OBJECTIVES AND KEY RESULTS. AND WHAT THESE DO IS KIND OF FEED NICELY INTO A KPI DASHBOARD TYPE SYSTEM. AND THE IDEA IS THESE ARE MEANT TO BE A MANAGEMENT TOOL, NOT JUST YET ANOTHER REPORT YOU GOT TO DO TO UPPER MANAGEMENT OR TO CITY COUNCIL OR WHATNOT. BUT IT'S A TOOL THAT CITY MANAGER, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND YOUR STAFF ACTUALLY PUT TO WORK. AND SO YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE HIGH LEVEL, I GUESS, PRIORITIZATION, IF YOU WILL, FROM CITY COUNCIL. BUT THEN WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT ARE OUR KEY OBJECTIVES FOR THIS YEAR? THE BIG ROCK, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THIS YEAR. SO IT'S KIND OF A BOTTOM UP BUILD WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE AN OVERALL KIND OF SET OF OBJECTIVES AND KEY RESULTS. AND THE WAY IT WORKS WELL IS YOU MAY HAVE AN OBJECTIVE THAT COULD, YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH IN A MONTH, OR YOU MAY HAVE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS. BUT THEN YOU BOIL THAT DOWN INTO KEY RESULTS THAT BECOME INDICATORS OF HOW YOU'RE PROGRESSING AND THINGS YOU CAN REPORT ON AND ASSESS MORE FREQUENTLY. AND THEN IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO COURSE CORRECT MORE FREQUENTLY AS WELL. ONE OF THE, THE KEY PIECES ABOUT IT IS FOCUS IS THE KEY. SO YOU CAN'T DASHBOARD EVERY SINGLE THING THAT CITY STAFF ARE DOING.

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BUT WHAT TENDS TO GET FOCUSED ON IS WHERE WE HAVE SHORTCOMINGS. SO IT'S ALSO A WAY TO MEASURE SUCCESS AND BE ABLE TO TRACK THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING IN SOME OF THESE KEY AREAS WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO DO IT. SO THIS IS KIND OF SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAIN PARTS OF THE FRAMEWORK THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE GOALS ARE GOING TO BE ONES LIKE, HERE'S OUR PLAN. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE REALLY WANT TO ACHIEVE. AND YOU MAY HAVE A STRETCH, A STRETCH OBJECTIVE AS WELL, RIGHT? AND IT'S OKAY SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T ACHIEVE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE TO COURSE CORRECT. LIKE WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT CHANGES IN DESIGN, OR IF A PERMITTING PROCESS TAKES LONGER THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT, IT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO COURSE CORRECT IN WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVES AND KEY RESULTS ARE. SO IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU SET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. SO I THINK IT'LL BE A REALLY USEFUL TOOL. AND THEN COUNCILOR MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF THE INITIAL STEPS OF PULLING TOGETHER A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT PIECES OF INFORMATION INTO A REPORT. AND HOPEFULLY OVER TIME, WE CAN IDENTIFY WAYS TO AUTOMATE USE TECHNOLOGY TO AUTOMATE THE DELIVERY OF THE REPORT AND THE DASHBOARDING, AND HAVE NICE VISUALIZATIONS AND QUERIES THAT YOU CAN DO INTO THE REPORT TO DIG DOWN WHERE NEEDED. SO IT'LL BE A REALLY HELPFUL TOOL, I THINK, FOR OUR MANAGING FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN EVEN TO OPEN UP TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT. SO THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, THE LAST JUST REAL QUICK THING, THE, THE PIECES THAT I PUT TOGETHER, AND AGAIN, I'LL BE SHARING THIS INFORMATION RAN A LITTLE BIT SHORT DURING MY TRAVELS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT TO YOU GUYS ON THE, ON THE COUNCIL FORUM. SO THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION, BUT I HAD THREE PIECES TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, WHICH WAS THE FIRST WAS OPERATIONAL KEY RESULTS 3 TO 5 FOR THE DEPARTMENT. REALLY, THIS IS DEPARTMENT LEVEL AND IT COULD BE TWO. AND THEN THIS WOULD MATCH UP TO WHAT MAYOR THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT. IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUALS.

DASHBOARD TWO WAS ADDING NOT JUST THEIR DAY TO DAY TASKS, BUT STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT ARE ON THEIR PLATE AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. AND LASTLY, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE CAN BE OPERATIONAL KEY RESULTS THAT'S ONGOING DAY TO DAY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT. SO THE COUNCIL ACTION IMPACT LOG IS WHAT MOVES DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT REALLY IN REGARD TO THE DEPARTMENT, IF WE FIND AN INITIATIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE WANT STAFF TO ADDRESS IT, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE AND HELPING THE STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN THEY MOVE DOWN THE LIST OR OFF THE LIST IN ORDER TO ADD THAT INITIATIVE ON? AND THAT WAS THE PIECE I FELT WAS REALLY MISSING FOR US. SO ANYWAY, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM EVERYBODY. AND WE ARE, BY THE WAY, I HAD IT. I HAD SENT THIS OUT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BEFORE JORDAN LEFT, AND SHE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO INTERACT WITH THIS. I DID ALSO SEND IT TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR FEEDBACK. AND SO WE WERE IN THAT PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH HOW THIS CAN OPERATE AT EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND, AND TO MAKE IT AGAIN, CONVERSATION TOOL. BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN STAFF AT THE SAME TIME. SO SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED THAT THIS HAS COME ON HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SKIRTED AROUND ABOUT THE DASHBOARDS. BUT WE'VE MANY OF US DO COME FROM CORPORATE OR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HIGHER LEVEL INDUSTRY. AND WE ALWAYS USED KPIS FOR EITHER STRATEGIC, FINANCIAL OR OPERATIONAL. AND MOST OF THE TIME, ALL THREE, THE OPERATIONAL NORMALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF THE TREE. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE

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COUNCILOR PRINCE SO. 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, COUNCIL SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUTTING TOGETHER WORK PLANS FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND FOR THE CITY. AND IT WAS REALLY ABOUT DEFINING WHAT ARE THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES AND WHAT THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. SO THE FRAMEWORK AND METHODOLOGY THAT YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT ARE GOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO IT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, MANAGEMENT TEAM EITHER DOES IT OR DOESN'T DO IT. RIGHT. AND SO FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME WAS DOING A QUARTERLY REPORT AGAINST THE WORK PLAN AND SUMMARIZING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS HAVE GOTTEN DONE, WHAT HAVEN'T GOT DONE, COMPLETELY FELL AWAY AND DISAPPEARED WITH OUR MOST RECENT CITY MANAGER. I THINK, YOU KNOW, MR. JOY DESCRIBED COMING INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT THE HECK? YOU GUYS DON'T DO THIS. WELL, LET'S LET'S GET BACK TO MANAGEMENT BASICS. RIGHT? AND SO I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO MANAGEMENT BASICS. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A REALLY QUALITY DISCUSSION WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER COMING IN AND, AND SET EXPECTATIONS FOR THEM TO MANAGE AND WHETHER THEY USE THESE METHODS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH. I THINK AT THE BOTTOM LINE DOESN'T MATTER. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING. AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE IS, IN MY EXPERIENCE OVER SIX YEARS, AND I'LL SAY PROBABLY MORE SO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, EVERY TIME THERE'S A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CITY COUNCIL PILES ON SIX, EIGHT, TEN NEW THINGS ONTO THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF. WHERE DO THOSE FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING PRIORITY LIST? AND I THINK SO.

CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN GUILTY OF OVERWHELMING STAFF WITH THE REQUEST OF THE WEEK. AND SO WHATEVER PROCESS IS USED, AND I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE I WON'T BE AROUND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS WITHOUT ME. BUT WHATEVER PROCESS IS BEING USED, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY TO KIND OF MONITOR AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YEAH, OKAY, YOU'RE PILING IN. THE LAST MONTH, YOU PILED THESE 27 THINGS ON US. WE, YOU KNOW, ONLY THREE OF THEM. WE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT FIT INTO WHAT YOU SAID WERE THE STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MANAGE THE FLOW FROM COUNCIL AS WELL. SO I THINK COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN BOTH A LACK OF MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, WHICH IN LARGE PART, I WOULD SAY IS A CITY MANAGER PROBLEM. BUT COUNCIL NEEDS TO MANAGE THE CITY MANAGER, BUT ALSO A LACK OF SELF CONTROL FROM THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FACTORED IN SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE CITY STAFF'S JOBS UNTENABLE. OKAY. COUNCILOR HALL, AND THIS CLEARLY IS OBVIOUSLY NEEDED. AND SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IN ANY KIND OF CORPORATE OR OTHER ENVIRONMENT, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD EXPECT THIS TO BE IN PLACE. AND IT DOES START WITH THE COUNCIL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINKING IN TERMS OF A COUNCIL RETREAT WHERE WE. YOU KNOW, HAVE AN IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES. AND WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON THAT. AND I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE. IT'S

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BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND GET GET BACK TO. AND I THINK IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN THE LINE KEEPS GETTING MOVED, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH A LOT OF OUR STAFF. AND SOME OF OUR TURNOVER IS BECAUSE THERE ARE THESE NOT THESE MEASURABLE EXPECTATIONS OR GOALS THAT THEY'RE REALLY ABLE TO WORK TOWARDS AND NOT REALLY KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING. AND SO EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION IS PROVEN TO GO DOWN WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU'RE KIND OF THROWN ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU WORKING ON THIS ONE DAY, THIS ONE DAY. AND, BUT THE OVERALL OVERARCHING GOAL IS THAT BEING MET IN THE LONG RUN, I KNOW EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION GOES DOWN WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST RUNNING IN CIRCLES ON A HAMSTER WHEEL AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT. AND EVEN THOUGH SOME OF OUR PET PROJECTS ARE VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO US, IF THEY'RE NOT OVERALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HEALTH OF THE CITY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF MOOT. AND IT KIND OF FRUSTRATES STAFF. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT NO ONE CITY EMPLOYEE SHOULD BE TAKING DIRECTION FROM ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT THEY WORK AS A WHOLE. SO ANY DIRECTION THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMING FROM US SHOULD COME AS A COUNCIL, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL. SO HOPE EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE TONIGHT THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL. SOMETIMES WE GET VERY IMPASSIONED WITH WHAT WE LIKE, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE IMPLEMENTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE MANAGER WERE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A WAY TO TRACK THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES COULD SEE THE MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE THAT THEY'RE MAKING TOWARDS THAT DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT'S GOALS. THAT SENSE OF PRIDE WOULD COME BACK.

EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION WOULD GO UP, OUR TURNOVER RATE WOULD GO DOWN, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE MEANINGFUL ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR BUDGET BASED OFF OF PERFORMANCE. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO DO MARKET COMPARISONS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO WITH CITIES AND TOWNS OUR SIZE. AND IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING ONE PERSON'S RATE COMPARED TO THE EXACT SAME TO A DIFFERENT CITY, BUT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO A PERFORMANCE BASED EVALUATION ON THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY KPIS TO GO BY OR DASHBOARDS TO GO BACK ON. SO I HOPE WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, NOT JUST TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT AN ELECTION COMING UP, AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE GET OUR INTERIM IN PLACE, THAT WE CAN GET THESE POLICIES TOGETHER. AND IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT COMES WITH ONE CITY

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I'M A BIG ADVOCATE FOR SIMPLICITY. 3 TO 5 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER. IF YOU DO ANY MORE THAN THAT, YOU LOSE FOCUS. WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE STRATEGIC PLANS PROCEEDING, CURRENT COUNCIL OR EVEN A DRAFT ONE FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THEN YOU GUYS DID A BUNCH OF WORK ON YOUR DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC PLANS, WHICH ARE REALLY MORE SOMEWHAT STRATEGIC, BUT MORE TACTICAL. THEY'RE AROUND THIS YEAR. THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE. I WAS LIKE, HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE GOING TO GET ALL THIS DONE? RIGHT? SO I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE SET THE EXAMPLE ON COUNCIL WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR TOP PRIORITIES. PICK THE TOP FIVE, AND WE STICK WITH THOSE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET A LOT OF THIS STUFF DONE, WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST YOUR YEARLY PROJECT, BUT MANY OF THE OVERALL INITIATIVES OR YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR, RIGHT? MULTI-YEAR. AND THEN THAT SAME THING FOR EACH DEPARTMENT IS PICK YOUR TOP 3 TO 5. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY FOCUS IN ON. AND THAT WAY, WE MAINTAIN THE FOCUS ON WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE GETTING DONE. AND IT GIVES YOU THAT SENSE OF SUCCESS BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING MEASURABLE PROGRESS EACH MONTH, EACH QUARTER AGAINST THESE KEY INITIATIVES AND ALL THE OTHER NOISY STUFF THAT'S MAYBE LESS IMPORTANT DOESN'T BOG YOU DOWN.

SO ANYWAYS, 3 TO 5. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS GENERAL CONSENSUS ON YES, WE WANT TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION. AND I SEE THAT. THANK YOU, INTERIM CITY MANAGER JOY. YOU ARE WRITING DOWN ALL KINDS OF GOOD NOTES TO PASS ON. SO EFFECTIVELY. I REALLY APPRECIATED THE MAYOR'S OUTLINE.

ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD ONE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVE FORWARD MYSELF TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND POTENTIALLY THE SAME THING ON THESE. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DASHBOARDS. THEY WERE PROTOTYPES, EXAMPLES THEY DIDN'T REALLY IN A. BUT THE CONSTRUCT OF IT OF THE PIECES I THINK WERE PRETTY GOOD. I WILL BE PUTTING THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. WE'D LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY, BUT SIMPLICITY IS KEY. IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO WITH THAT, I THINK. MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IN TERMS OF RECAPPING FOR MOVING THE DIRECTION OF MOVING THIS FORWARD? NOT QUITE. I FELT LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS. OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. RON, DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 6TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WITH THAT, I AM WILLING. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION OR ANY COUNCILORS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I'M SORRY. THAT IS ACTION ITEM 8.4. HEARING

[VIII.4. Approve the minutes of the August 6, 2026, City Council Meeting.]

[Items VIII.1, VIII.2 & IX.2 (Part 2 of 2)]

[03:00:01]

THERE WAS A, I BELIEVE A RESUBMISSION. WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE WE WANTED SOME MORE. HE THEY WERE SEEKING MORE FEEDBACK TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WAS WAS NEEDED, WHAT WAS NECESSARY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION. BUT WE, WE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT CHARLES WAS GOING TO GET THIS INFORMATION OVER TO NICOLE SO IT COULD BE PUT IN TO, TO THE BUDGET. I DO NOT SEE IT ON THE SPREADSHEET, NOR DID I SEE IT IN IN BUDGET. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT'S GOING TO FALL AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS ON MONDAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT TO GO OVER. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR PRINCE, KEEP ME IN LINE IF I SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, RATHER THAN SPECIFY. AND THIS IS THE SAME FOR THE CHAMBER AS WELL. BY THE WAY, ANY MONIES THAT ARE ALLOCATED, WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT WITHIN WHAT CATEGORY. AND SO WE DID AFTER I REALIZED THAT KALEB HAD A ZERO ON THERE AND I REACHED OUT TO YOU AND, AND THANK YOU, JANICE, FOR FORWARDING THAT INFORMATION AGAIN. WE DID TALK IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. AND NOW BEFORE I HAD THAT CHANCE TO GET ALL THAT INFORMATION, WE WENT AHEAD AND ALLOCATED THE SAME BUDGET AS LAST YEAR AS A PLACEHOLDER UNDER PUBLIC WORKS BEAUTIFICATION. OKAY. SO I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF UNDER THERE AS A TITLE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE MONEYS WHERE WE NEED TO RIGHT NOW THAT FIT THE CATEGORY. THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, MOVING TO THE POTENTIALLY TO CIP, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE ERIC DE LA CRUZ GOING TO IS GOING TO BE WORKING THROUGH THE THE BID PROCESS. I THINK, AS WE HAD ASKED FOR IT TO BE DONE EARLIER THIS YEAR, IN ADDITION TO. LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF AN ALLOCATION THAT IS BASICALLY WE'RE MAKING A HOT FUND ALLOWANCE, RIGHT, WHICH ENCOMPASSES POTENTIALLY ALL HOT, FUN THINGS. SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A SPECIFIC CHAMBER ONE OR, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING WHEN IT COMES IN, THEN IT WILL COME OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM. SO THAT LET ME JUST GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAY THAT I EXPECTED THAT THE INFORMATION FROM JANICE WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD ON OUR DISCUSSION PRETTY HEAVILY, ALONG WITH MORE OR LESS LIKE OUR, OUR DECISION PACKAGES, SO THAT WE ALL HAD THE INFORMATION LAID OUT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE I'M GOING, ALL THIS INFORMATION WE'RE FINDING WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WE'RE GETTING AT THE LAST MINUTE, WE NEED TIME TO PROCESS THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THERE WAS JUST SOME SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT KALEB ACTUALLY PROBABLY WAS NOT ENTITLED TO SOME HOT FUNDS, BUT THEY QUALIFY UNDER OTHER TAX CODE TO BE PUT IN ON, ON A DUE REVENUE BUDGET. AND I'LL PULL THAT INFORMATION AND HAVE IT READY FOR DISCUSSION FOR MONDAY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME SOME CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ABOUT IT, ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S MEASURABLE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH HOT TAX. AND KALEB DOES NOT FULFILL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THEM UNDER THERE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THAT CURRENT AMOUNT IS UNDER GENERAL FUND. YEAH, NOT UNDER HOT FUNDS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND. STREETS UNDER STREETS IT'S ACCOUNT 4750 AND IT'S 35,000 CURRENTLY. AGAIN, THAT WAS BEFORE JANICE. I HAD YOUR INFORMATION. SO WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY. AND I BELIEVE. SIMILARLY THERE'LL BE DISCUSSION WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THOSE LINE ITEMS AND GETTING THAT ALLOCATED. THERE'S STILL SOME PAPERWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. GO AHEAD, COUNSELOR PRINCE, IF I CAN JUST REWIND A LITTLE BIT JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE ARE WITH RESPECT TO HOT FUNDS AND SOME OF THE SPECIFICALLY KVB THINGS ARE NOT HOT FUNDS, WHICH YOU SAID AT THE END, BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT. SO FROM A HOT FUND PERSPECTIVE, THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY. I'M NOT

[03:05:06]

OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION FOR MAYBE MONDAY, OR IS THAT TOO SOON IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? I MEAN, IS THIS A PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION? SO I THINK THAT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS IF WE'RE GETTING THESE BACK. YEAH, I CAN INCLUDE IT IN THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT OVER TO ME. YES, THANKS. SO UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. SO JUST TO WRAP THAT UP, JANICE KOLB IS SO SPECIAL. THAT'S LIKE THREE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT WE'RE CULMINATING HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL THE DISCUSSION WILL CONTINUE, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT. ALL RIGHT. AND NOW, VICTOR, WE'RE INTO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING BACK OR WERE YOU JUST GOING TO BE. YES. OKAY. SO WITHIN THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM, I PRESENTED THE SUMMARY AND THE GOAL FOR TONIGHT WAS ACTUALLY TO GET YOU

[03:10:05]

LIKE THE EFFLUENT PONDS RIGHT NOW, I CAN GIVE YOU A TOTAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND FOR THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION HAS STOPPED AND IT'S ON PAUSE UNTIL WE DO THE IRRIGATION. BUT THE IRRIGATION PROJECT, IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IN X. AND THE LAST TWO MONTHS, IF YOU ESTIMATE INCORRECTLY, YOUR TOTAL BUDGET ALLOCATED BUDGET IS INCORRECT. EVEN IF YOU DO A TOTAL, YOU COULD EITHER BE OVER BUDGET OR UNDER BUDGET BASED OFF OF YOUR CONTRACT AMOUNTS. SO WHAT I WAS JUST HOPING COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER IT IS WHEN YOU SEE THE CIP, YOU LOOK AT PRIOR EXPENSES, YOU LOOK AT 2027 AND YOU CONSIDER THOSE A TOTAL. THAT WAY IT'S EASIER TO CARRY OVER. I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER. AND THEN IF I'M UNDER BUDGET, I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT. IT'S JUST A SIMPLE CARRYOVER. AND IT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION. I CAN STILL PRESENT YOU WITH A. ESTIMATED.

EXPENSE FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PROJECT WE HAVE ALLOCATED CONTRACTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SPENT NO MATTER WHAT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM A DEPARTMENT, A DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT FOR THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. VICTOR, IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT? JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR ME ANYWAY IF WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT ARE CARRY OVER AND ALREADY SO APPROVED. ET-CETERA IS THAT SO THIS IS SO THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. IF YOU CAN SEE TALON HYDRO TANK 2000 THIS YEAR, 140,000 NEXT YEAR, I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THEM TO MAKE THE BUDGET CLEANER. I'VE ASKED THEM TO BEGIN WORK. WE'VE. I THINK WE'RE STILL WORKING ON EXECUTING THE CONTRACT, GETTING IT SIGNED, BUT I HAVEN'T RETURNED THAT TO THEM. BUT THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN BEGIN WORK BUT NOT INVOICE UNTIL THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER. JUST SO IT'S A BETTER PICTURE, BECAUSE IF I TELL THEM THEY ONLY HAVE 20,000 TO SPEND, IT CAN CAUSE ISSUES.

AND THEN IF WE GO INTO NEXT BUDGET YEAR 140,000 AND WE ACTUALLY SPEND MORE THAN THAT, OR I GUESS, YEAH, LESS THAN THAT, IT ACTUALLY INCREASES. I WILL GO OVER BUDGET. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE I'M BUDGETING THE, THE, THE 160 IS THE CONTRACT AMOUNT. IT'S NOT AN ESTIMATE. IT'S THE ACTUAL CONTRACT AMOUNT. SO IF I DON'T UTILIZE 20 GRAND THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WILL BE OVER. BUT IT'S A CONTRACT AMOUNT. UNDERSTAND? BUT CAN I ASK? SO IF YOU HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS PLANNED IN A GIVEN YEAR AND THEN YOU END UP FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT COMPLETING THEM, BUT YOU WANT TO COMPLETE THEM IN THE NEXT YEAR? TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO, I MEAN, THIS IS FROM THE CORPORATE WORLD IS YOU JUST TAKE THAT CAPITAL ESTIMATE AND PUT IT INTO YOUR NEW CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE NEW YEAR. SO I KIND OF GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE GET THIS APPROVED BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE WE GET CHECKS THROUGH OCTOBER, RIGHT, ALL THE WAY TO OCTOBER 31ST. BY THAT TIME, THE BUDGET'S ALREADY APPROVED. SO I GUESS I'M NOT SEEING WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BECAUSE IF WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS ONE BIG PROJECT THAT YOU'VE GOT 20,000 140,000, YOU'RE ESTIMATING $1 MILLION IN THE SUBSEQUENT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? IT'S CLEAR IT'S A MULTI YEAR PROJECT AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT TWO YEARS OUT IS AN ESTIMATE. RIGHT. BUT ACTUALS FOR THIS YEAR NEAR ACTUALS

[03:15:02]

AND THAT'S A YEAR BY YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH. WHEN YOU SEE THE BREAKDOWN IT HAS IT PRIOR YEAR THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THEN THOSE TWO COMBINATIONS TOGETHER EQUAL WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR. SO LIKE FOR. WHO EFFLUENT PONDS GETS TRICKY. SO EITHER WAY, USING EFFLUENT PONDS LAST YEAR, THE PROJECT FOR CO FUNDS FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR AND THIS FISCAL YEAR WAS 6.135 MILLION SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. AND I UTILIZED THAT TOTAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALLOCATED OUT OF CO. I AND I STILL USE THAT TOTAL THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING. SO NOW WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CO BONDS AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S TAKING YOUR TOTAL AMOUNT AND AT THE VERY BACKSIDE, THAT'S HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT REMAINING. BUT IF I KEEP UPDATING IT, THAT NUMBER GETS SKEWED BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL NUMBER. AND I SENT LONG EMAILS AND A WHOLE SUMMARY. WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS IN THE CIP, YOU'LL HAVE A SUMMARY. YOU'LL HAVE THE SUMMARY THAT I PRESENTED, AND IT'LL ALL BE A SNAPSHOT. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO WHAT I'M WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE LOSING THE BIG PICTURE HERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING VERY EASILY REMEDIED. REMEDIED BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR VANESSA. IF WE KNOW THIS IS A MULTI YEAR PROJECT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET UPSET OR NITPICK YOU OVER, YOU KNOW, YOU GOING OVER BUDGET THIS YEAR WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE A SHORTFALL ON THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AS LONG AS WE KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE OF THE APPROVED CONTRACT, WHICH COULD BE CLARIFIED BY JUST PUTTING IN A LINE ITEM OR AN NOT A LINE ITEM, A SPACE THERE THAT SAYS TOTAL APPROVED, AND THEN KIND OF WHITTLING IT DOWN AS WE GO ALONG. IT'S LIKE WE'VE SPENT THIS MUCH OUT OF THE OUT OF THE TOTAL CONTRACT AND IT'S GOING TO ROLL OVER, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE AS IT'S AS THE AMOUNT IS DWINDLING. AND SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE OVER UNDERS AS MUCH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ON PAPER, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULDN'T FEEL AS SCRUTINIZED ABOUT MEETING THESE ISSUES. AND I DON'T BELIEVE OUR AUDITORS WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED. I THINK YOU'RE MAYBE WORRIED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE YOU HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR THESE AMENDMENTS OR ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY. AS LONG AS YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE OVERALL AND YOU'RE NOT GOING WAY OVER WHAT THE CONTRACT ALLOWANCE WAS GOING TO BE TO BEGIN WITH. IT WAS MORE IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, WITH REGULAR BUDGETS, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, BUT WITH THE CO BONDS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND TRACK EXACTLY DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SPENT AND WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPENDING NEXT YEAR AND FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH YOU HAVE AT THE END OF IT. IF YOU'RE PROJECTING IN ANY OF THOSE YEARS, IT MESSES UP THE NUMBERS AND YOU DON'T HAVE A REALISTIC IDEA OF HOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS. AND OF COURSE, THE SAME ACCOUNT HAS INTEREST THAT GROWS. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A POSITIVE MORE THAN WHAT YOU SEE HERE. BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IF WE WANT TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS OUT OF THE CEO BONDS, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE AND IT CAN'T BE ESTIMATED. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH LOOKING AT PRIOR YEAR AND THE YEAR THAT WAS APPROVED AND SAYING, THAT'S THE BUDGET YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND PREVIOUSLY AND HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND THIS YEAR? AS LONG AS THAT IS LOWER THAN WHAT WAS BUDGETED, AND I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT OR CHANGE MULTIPLE THINGS, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH PUSHING THE THE

[03:20:07]

AND THAT IS JUST AN ESTIMATE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY GARVER. SO EVERY ESTIMATE IN HERE THAT YOU SEE, OR IF YOU SEE A A NUMBER WITH A FURTHER PROJECTED DATE, IT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE ON ENGINEERING ALONE. IT IS NOT THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT. GOOD JOB VICTOR. SO I WANTED TO ADD THIS. SO YEAH, COUNCIL FOR THE CURRENT YEAR AND I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 12 OF THE PACKET. THE CIP PROJECTS AND FUNDING SOURCE SUMMARY WITH THE LITTLE PURPLE BAR AT THE TOP THERE. SO THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND BY CURRENT, I MEAN THE UPCOMING BUDGET. 2627 THAT IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE SETTING A BUDGET FOR, RIGHT. AND SO IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO UNDERSPEND FROM WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR AND YOU KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO ROLL INTO NEXT YEAR, YOU JUST NEED TO, TO RAISE THE NUMBER THAT YOU'VE GOT IN THE 2627 LINE. THAT INFLATES THE PROJECT, THOUGH, THAT IT SHOULDN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ROLLING FUNDS THAT YOU DID NOT SPEND IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR INTO, INTO THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. I HAVE SO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO THE UNACCOUNTED FOR FUNDS.

ABSOLUTELY. SO SO IF IF SO I LOOK AT WE'LL USE YOUR, YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE. WELL, LET'S LOOK AT LIFT STATION REHAB. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S A TYPE OF UTILITIES LINE THERE. LIFT STATION REHAB IS A $1.227 MILLION PROJECT. AND SO IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU SAY, OOPS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND EVERYTHING WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO IN, IN THE FISCAL YEAR WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY. AND THEREFORE, MY 7.95 NEEDS TO BECOME 812, THEN THAT'S FINE.

IF IT INCREASES THE 1.227, YOU KNOW, THE ON THE FAR RIGHT, THEN YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW THAT AND SAY, HEY, COUNCIL, THIS PROJECT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET IT DONE AND WAS GOING TO BE 1.227. IT SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT OR IT'S BECOME A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE. I THINK NOW IT'S 1.45, WHATEVER. SO I THINK YOU

[03:25:04]

AND INSTEAD OF $4.5 MILLION, IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S SIX. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SPENDING GOING FORWARD? AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST PROJECTION FOR THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE SUNK COST AS WELL AS THE FORWARD LOOKING. AND I THINK COUNCIL AND CITIZENS DESERVE TO HAVE VISIBILITY INTO BOTH OF THOSE, RIGHT? YES. PROJECTS TENDING TO GET DONE FOR WHAT WE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. OR ARE WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, TOO OPTIMISTIC ON SCHEDULE AND COST.

AND BUT BUT I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WORK IT OUT WITH COUNCIL, BUT POTENTIALLY TRACK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. AND LIKE, YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER COLUMN THAT'S THE, THE ORIGINAL TOTAL COST OR THE CURRENT TOTAL COST PROJECTION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE QUARTERLY REPORT. SO THE QUARTERLY REPORT IS WHAT TRIGGERED ALL OF THIS. DOING THE QUARTERLY REPORT. I'M LOOKING AT CONTRACTS AMENDMENTS.

I'M LOOKING AT WHEN IT STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEN PUTTING THAT TOTAL IN, LOOKING AT THE PAST COUPLE SIPS, THE TOTALS DON'T ADD UP. AND IT IT'S, IT'S VERY MISLEADING ON WHAT A PROJECT ACTUALLY COST. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TACKLE WITH THIS, WITH THE UPDATED CIP. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE SAYING. CALLING OUT MODIFICATIONS EVERY EVERYTHING AND SAYING WE STARTED WITH THIS BUDGET, BUT NOW IT'S GONE TO THIS. IT'S MORE OF THIS YEAR WHERE WE NEED MORE MONEY. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SPENT ALREADY ON THIS PROJECT. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IN A FISCAL YEAR AND YOU SAY, OOPS, YOU KNOW, MY BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR WAS $120,000. AND IN ORDER TO NOT, I'M KIND OF AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. AND IF I COULD SPEND 180 THIS YEAR, I'D LOVE TO DO IT BY PULLING IN EXPENSES. THEN THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT YOU WOULD BRING BEFORE COUNCIL TO ASK FOR APPROVAL TO SPEND EARLIER THAN USUAL. ABSOLUTELY. BUT BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU UNDERSPEND IN A GIVEN YEAR, JUST ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, I'M I'M SOME OF THE MONEY WE DIDN'T SPEND IS ACTUALLY IN THIS YEAR. SO IF YOU IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FOR 27, 28, IT PREDICTED THIS NUMBER. I'VE GOT A HIGHER NUMBER HERE. NOW. IT'S BECAUSE OF SHIFT.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE TOTAL PROJECT INCREASED. AND THAT'S THE REALISTIC THING THAT I'M TRYING TO SOLVE. LIKE NICOLE WAS SAYING EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S IN THOSE ACCOUNT CHANGES. BUT IN REALITY, I THINK I WROTE IT DOWN. IN REALITY, OUT OF ALL THAT MONEY, 1.3, MAYBE 1.7 MILLION IN TOTAL PROJECT COSTS, AND THAT'S EVERY SINGLE ITEM. AND ONE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY, I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE CITY BUDGET ABOUT A YEAR IN DETAIL, ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL. SO SEVEN YEARS NOW OF CITY BUDGETS AND THE CAPITAL PLANNING, FIVE YEAR HORIZON HAS BEEN TERRIBLE. IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP EVERY YEAR, UP AND DOWN AND MASSIVELY. YOU KNOW, IT WAS AS IT WAS AS AS IF IT WAS COMPLETELY REINVENTED. THE PLAN WAS COMPLETELY REINVENTED. EVERY YEAR. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF GETTING US TO SOME STABILITY SO THAT THE CHANGES AND WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS WAY BETTER THAN ANYTHING I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE FROM THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FULL

[03:30:02]

ANYTHING ELSE FOR VICTOR? VICTOR. NO, REALLY. THANK YOU. YES. AND PLEASE. YOU KNOW, TURN THE PHONE OFF AND. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. NO NO NO NO, I NEED HIM. YEAH. BECAUSE NOW WE'RE IN S2 AND AND RUNNER ON THE HOT SEAT ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM OR ARE YOU ALL READY TO YOU WANT TO COMPLETE ON. I'M JUST KIND OF TESTING THE WATERS HERE A LITTLE BIT. AND MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DID NOTE THAT THERE WAS ONE ITEM I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I CAUGHT, WHICH WAS IN IS A $15,000 AMOUNT FROM GENERAL FUND THAT HE HAS ON HIS SHEET HERE. NICOLE. LET ME SEE THERE.

OH, THERE IT IS, I THINK I GUESS IT WAS A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY INITIATIVE OR WHATEVER.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE. I THINK ON MONDAY. SORRY, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE REAL QUICK. OKAY. THAT 15,000 IS HONESTLY JUST TO OPEN UP AN INTERFACE AND BEGIN THE DISCUSSION. HAVE CITIZENS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET INTO THIS INTERFACE AND PUT AREAS WHERE THEY KNOW THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CROSSWALKS, SIDEWALKS, AND JUST BUILD A KIND OF A CASE STUDY OF THESE ARE THE REAL PROBLEM AREAS. I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THE PREVIOUS PLANS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, PARKS PLAN, OR ANY OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT IT WAS JUST TO IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING OR IT WOULD BE JUST A ONE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION FOR IT TO BE CONTRACTED OUT AND CREATE THAT SERVICE. IT. AND UNTIL WE DO THAT NO FURTHER, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL ELSE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE AT THE TIME YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO COMPLETELY LOOK AT ISSUES. BUT THEN AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIKE TO WALK THEIR DOGS. WE DON'T KNOW THE COMMON AREAS. I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE A GUESS, BUT I THINK CITIZENS HAVING INPUT AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH INPUT WE HAVE, HOW MUCH DEMAND WE HAVE FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS, WILL KIND OF TELL US WHERE WE IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND RAISE TAXES TO AFFORD PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, OR IF IT'S JUST MINOR STUFF SUCH AS PAINTING CROSSWALKS ON CERTAIN AREAS. OKAY, SO IT'S NOTHING TOO CRAZY. IT'S JUST MORE OF AND KIND OF SPEAKING WITH THE I PASS COMMITTEE, IT WAS IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER AT THIS TIME. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FULL PROJECT SCOPE, BUT OKAY, OKAY.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND IT AND YEAH, THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE IF I PUT THAT IN A BUDGET. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE REASON IS I ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE 40S. OH, SO IF IT'S NOT A 40 I CANNOT PUT IT IN. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY THE STREET REHAB IS CODED PROBABLY CORRECTLY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT CODED CORRECTLY. WELL, NO, I DON'T WANT ACCESS BECAUSE ALREADY WHEN I'M IN THE CIP BUDGET, THERE'S 100 SOMETHING LINE ITEMS. IF I GET ACCESS TO ALL THE OTHER ONES, THERE'S GOING TO BE 300 SOMETHING. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO NICOLE CODED WHENEVER WE GET THOSE CODES MADE. BUT AND THAT WAS THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING OF GETTING THESE PROJECTS LIST APPROVED. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE'RE CREATING LINE ITEMS AND, AND IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED. WE JUST CREATED A LINE ITEM THAT HAS TO STAY THERE FOR THREE YEARS. THAT IS GOING TO BE LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES WHERE THEY SIT THERE STAGNANT AND NO MONEY HAS EVER BEEN SPENT, NO MONEY ALLOCATED BUDGET WAS PUT, BUT NOTHING WAS EVER PUT IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID FROM CLUTTERING THAT CIP LIST THAT HAS TO STAY THERE. SO THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF GETTING THESE PROJECTS MOVED THROUGH. BUT WITHIN BUDGET THEY DON'T EXIST ANYWAY. SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. BUT WHEN WE GO TO ACTUALLY PUT EVERYTHING IN TO LINE ITEMS AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL REALLY NEED TO BUCKLE DOWN AND GET ACTUAL CODE OR GET ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE 100% MOVING FORWARD BEFORE WE CREATE THOSE LINE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT, SO COMING BACK TO BUDGET. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER TEED UP INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS FOR

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IF YOU LOOK IN THE BUDGET, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY TWO SEPARATE LINES. THERE WAS ONE FOR COURT TECHNOLOGY AND THERE WAS ONE FOR BUILDING SECURITY. THE LAW CHANGED AND THOSE BECAME COMBINED. SO INDIVIDUALLY THOSE LINES SHOULD BE ZEROED. AND THERE IS JUST ONE GRAND TOTAL.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A $45,000 INCREASE. IT'S JUST A COMMON. NOW COMBINING TWO SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL BUDGET LINE ITEMS TO BE ONE, IT'S A REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSE. SO IT IS A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE THAT COMES IN OFF OF COURT FINES. AND AGAIN, THAT'S BY LAW. THE WAY THAT THEY CHANGED IT IS INTO ONE FUND INSTEAD OF TWO SEPARATE THING ITEMS. I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE LIKE I SAID, THE PARKS AND REC AND AQUATICS AND ALL OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY MR. JOY IN AN EMAIL THAT YOU ALL HAD ALREADY RECEIVED. WE HAVE. ERIC, OUR ACTING ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS HERE. IF TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HIS INDIVIDUAL BUDGET ON THE DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS ON THE LIBRARY BUDGET ASSISTANT LIBRARIANS, IT WAS THE 138 YOU SUGGEST OR IT LISTS HERE, AND THEN IT WENT UP TO 185. THERE WAS A BUDGET REQUEST AND INCREASED PREVIOUSLY FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY LIBRARIAN TO BE ADDED THAT WAS APPROVED IN, I BELIEVE, THE 25 BUDGET OR 26, 2526 BUDGET. AND SO IT'S JUST KEEPING THE CURRENT STAFF THAT WE HAVE ON. THAT INCREASES, I BELIEVE, JUST BETWEEN. THERE WAS A PART TIME THAT WENT TO FULL TIME, AND THEN LATER DOWN THE ROAD, THERE WAS A PART TIME THAT WAS ALLOWED INTO THE BUDGET. AND SO THAT'S JUST KEEPING CURRENT STAFF. WE DID NOT ADD ANY NEW STAFF TO THE 27 BUDGET. IT IS A LIST OF OUR CURRENT STAFF WITH THEIR CURRENT SALARIES. JEN, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE. JUST A HEADS UP, THE CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY. THAT BUDGET WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY BY THE CITY MANAGER. THERE HAD BEEN MONEY IN THAT LINE ITEM FOR YEARS AND YEARS. AND I KNOW AFTER LAST YEAR'S BUDGET DISCUSSION IT HAD BEEN REMOVED. SO AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY. IT CAN BE REMOVED IF SO DIRECTED BY COUNCIL. ON THAT ONE. REAL QUICK I THINK, CHIEF, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TALK. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT I DON'T FAVOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. I THINK THAT EVERY TAX DOLLAR THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET SHOULD BE DIRECTED SOMEWHERE.

BUT I KNOW, CHIEF, YOU TALKED ABOUT KIND OF SOMETHING. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE. IF YOU HAVE UNUSED SALARY LATER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT AND

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BUT CHIEF HAD A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON IT. AND BRAD, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS. YEAH. SO, MAYOR, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE CHARTER SECTION 8.07, I THINK IT IS, COMES INTO PLAY. IF IT'S GOING FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT, IT REQUIRES AN ORDINANCE. IF IT GOES, IF IT STAYS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, THEN THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY MANAGER UNDER THE CURRENT CHARTER. BUT THAT THAT MUST BE REPORTED TO YOU IN WRITING IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT YOU'RE UPDATED ON IT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IN REAL TIME WHEN IT HAPPENS. SO UNDER THAT, THAT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT CHARTER. AND I GUESS TO THAT PART OF THE CHARTER, WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I NEED COUNCIL PERMISSION TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. OR MAYBE I DON'T. I JUST BRING IT UP THAT I'M NOT POSITIVE WITH THE DEFINITION OF UNENCUMBERED FUNDS ARE. TO ME, IF YOU HAVE A LINE ITEM AND IT'S TITLED AND LABELED AND WE PUT WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND WE APPROVED IT. TO ME, EVERYTHING IN THAT LINE ITEM IS ENCUMBERED FOR THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY. SO DO YOU HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE UNENCUMBERED? I THINK? WELL, LET ME, LET ME LET ME RUN A QUICK WESTLAW SEARCH AND I'LL I'LL SEE IF THERE'S A MORE FORMAL, A MORE FORMAL DEFINITION. GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT. AND I ONLY MENTION IT BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, ESPECIALLY IF WE LEARN THAT THE WAY IT WORKS OR HAS WORKED IS THAT THE BOTTOM LINE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, AND FUNDS HAVE BEEN MOVING AROUND, THEN YOU DON'T NEED A DISCRETIONARY, BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT ALL UNUSED FUNDS WITHIN ANY LINE ITEM ARE DISCRETIONARY. BUT I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A MAYBE A MORE SERIOUS CONVERSATION ON MONDAY ABOUT PUTTING MORE PARAMETERS AROUND HOW MONEY IS MOVED AROUND WITHIN DEPARTMENTS. MAYOR, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE RON SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THIS AS WELL. YEAH, I THINK WITH MY EXPERIENCE, THE THE THE CODE, IT'S 8.006. THE CODE STATES EXACTLY WHAT BRAD JUST SAID. AND I THINK. I THINK THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS PLACED EITHER BY COUNCIL THROUGH THE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, LIKE THEY DO AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THE APPROPRIATIONS ACT OR ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE TO THE CITY MANAGER OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CHARTER CHANGE TO GIVE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE TO THE CITY MANAGER AS LONG AS IT COMES FROM THE COUNCIL. AND SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS, IS LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING IS WHAT HOW DO YOU DEFINE UNENCUMBERED IF IT'S UNENCUMBERED, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WHERE DO YOU SEE THE MOST IN ALMOST ANY ORGANIZATION IS UNENCUMBERED SALARY EXPENSES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF YOUR BUDGET IS SALARY. AND SO IF YOU HAVE VACANCIES, THEN YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE UNENCUMBERED SALARY EXPENSES. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF AGENCIES OR ORGANIZATIONS USE SALARY EXPENSES TO PAY FOR OTHER NEEDED ITEMS. AND I THINK THE ONLY THING THE CHARTER IS ADDRESSING IS YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHECKS AND BALANCES. IT'S ASKING YOU TO NOTIFICATION OF COUNCIL. AND SO IT COULD SIMPLY BE GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL THAT SAYS PRIOR TO DOING THAT. IN ADDITION, WE WANT TO BE NOTIFIED IN WRITING.

BUT PRIOR TO DOING THAT, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE MOVING A CERTAIN AMOUNT. SO IF YOU'RE MOVING $10 FROM ONE INSIDE A DEPARTMENT FROM ONE ITEM TO ANOTHER, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. BUT IF YOU'RE MOVING 10,000, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL COULD Y'ALL COULD GIVE THAT GUIDANCE, I THINK, TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SAY WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU CAN DO THAT IN WRITING THROUGH PART OF THE BUDGET WITH BRAD'S ADVICE, OR YOU CAN JUST GIVE THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION AS, AS A COUNCIL THAT WOULD NOT SUPERSEDE THE CHARTER, BUT JUST ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT. AND MAYOR, I THINK I THINK CHIEF DID A GOOD JOB OF JUST DESCRIBING REALLY ENCUMBERED VERSUS UNENCUMBERED AN UNENCUMBERED FUND IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED TO GO OUT THE DOOR. BUT WHAT CHIEF, THE EXAMPLE THAT CHIEF GAVE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, SALARIES, IF YOU IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4, YOU KNOW, UNFILLED POSITIONS, THOSE ARE APPROPRIATED BUT STILL UNENCUMBERED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY THOSE TO OR, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT THAT HAS TO GO OUT THE DOOR. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE UNENCUMBERED FUNDS

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SO, MAYOR, YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION BEFORE WE WENT INTO SPECIFICS, THERE WAS, DO YOU HAVE COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS THE ITEMS IN THIS LIST? AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY. I GUESS I WOULD RECOMMEND SOME OF THESE MAY BE REALLY BIG, BUT BUT I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF ASKING STAFF TO LOOK THROUGH

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AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT AN AMOUNT TO REPAIR STREET SIGNS EVERY YEAR THAT'S ONGOING EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO IS, IS AN EXPENSE SOMETHING THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND LIKE 15 OR $75,000 IN THIS CATEGORY OF EXPENSE EVERY YEAR FOREVER, OR IT'S REALLY A ONE OFF THING, IN WHICH CASE IT SHOULDN'T SHOW UP IN YOUR BASE BUDGET. IT SHOULD SHOW UP IN THE IN THE DECISION PACKAGE JUST SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THINGS ARE SPECIAL ONE OFF EXPENSES VERSUS WHAT'S REALLY A RUN RATE BUDGET KIND OF THING. AND YOU KNOW, EVERY DECISION, YOU'LL HAVE TO WEIGH IT AND SAY, MAYBE THIS ONE'S FUZZY. IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH ONE, BUT A LOT OF THEM I THINK WOULD BE PRETTY CLEAR. YEAH, IT IS A ONE TIME, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE KIND OF PROGRAM. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE MAJOR EXPENSE. AND THEN LATER ON WITH THE NEXT MAIN MAINTENANCE ITEM, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TRIDENT PLANT THREE, WHICH IS THE BIG EXPENSE 100,000, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. SO WE'LL START, YOU KNOW, EITHER PREPARING FOR ALLOCATING MONIES, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF PLAN, BUT ALL THESE EXPENSES ON THE INCREASE ON THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. SO ARE THOSE MAJOR REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE YEARS BACK AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DONE. CATCH UP ON OVERDUE REPAIR, MAINTENANCE AND PLANT OPERATIONS. YES. I HOPE THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. MAYOR. YOU GOOD? OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY. JAN, IF I CAN ASK REAL QUICK, YOUR CURRENT STAFF AND WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE BUDGET HERE. YEAH. WHAT THAT WAS WAS THE FULL TIME PERSON WE HAVE. THERE ARE TWO OF US THAT ARE FULL TIME LIBRARIANS.

BRIANNA, WHO JUST BROUGHT MY PURSE TO ME WAS ONE. AND WE'RE OPEN 48 HOURS A WEEK. SO WE'RE WE NEED SOME STAFF. WE'RE GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER. AND WHEN THE PERSON THAT THAT NICOLE WAS REFERRING TO WAS, WAS GAYLENE RABBIT. SHE WAS WORKING ON HER MASTER'S DEGREE IN LIBRARY SCIENCE LAST YEAR, AND WE WANTED TO HELP HER OUT. WE WANTED TO GIVE HER A PLACE TO WORK, AND WE NEEDED HER HELP. AND THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WANTED TO HELP, BUT THEY CAN'T PAY A SALARY. SO WHAT CHARLES AGREED TO DO WITH US, WE AGREED. HE AGREED TO LET HER WORK. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOURS. IT'S LIKE 12 TO 20 HOURS A WEEK, PART TIME WITH NO BENEFITS. AND THE. WE WOULD SHIFT MORE EXPENSES TO THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. SO FOR INSTANCE, FOR OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM, USUALLY EVERY YEAR I SPLIT IT 5050. THOSE PERFORMERS THAT WE PAY AND I GIVE HALF TO THE CITY, HALF TO THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY.

THIS YEAR I GAVE THEM MORE OF THE EXPENSES. SAME THING WITH OUR PROGRAM EXPENSES. A LOT OF PROGRAMS WE DO, THE TEENS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THOSE, I GIVE THEM OUR RECEIPTS. THEY ARE THE INVOICES. THEY PAY THOSE. I DID A SUPPLY ORDER THIS WEEK. I SHIFTED SEVERAL SUPPLIES, SEVERAL A GOOD NUMBER OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SUPPLIES TO THEM TO PAY. SO THIS WAS A WAY TO TO HELP BALANCE IT OUT. SO SHE NOW HAS HER MASTER'S DEGREE. SHE HAS DONE THE MOST PHENOMENAL JOB FOR US. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE HER. I MEAN, I'M ALREADY AFRAID I'M GOING TO LOSE HER TO ANOTHER LIBRARY. AND SHE'S AGREED SHE WOULD STAY AND WORK PART TIME. AND SHE IS.

SHE WOULD LIKE TO SET UP OUR PROGRAMS. SHE'S APPLIED FOR GRANTS. SHE GOT US AN HEB GRANT THIS YEAR, JUST THIS PAST SUMMER. SHE IS THE PERSON WHO IS THE EDITOR DOING THE EDITOR ON HER OWN TIME FOR THE NEW NEWSPAPER THAT THE CHAMBER IS DOING. SHE. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE MORE PROGRAMS, POSSIBLY INCREASE OUR HOURS MAYBE IN THE COMING YEAR. SO IT WOULD BE WORTH EVERY PENNY WE PAY FOR HER. TRUST ME. THAT AND THE STAFF DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE HER. I MEAN, THEY'RE BEGGING ME TO. AND THEN SUMMER, WHO IS WHO WAS YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF

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SHE DOES ALL OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THE STAFF WE HAVE, THEY WORK NONSTOP. THEY NEVER STOP. IN FACT, WE'RE KIND OF IN A BURNOUT STAGE. SO ANYWAY, I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL LET US KEEP GAYLENE THERE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE HER. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MEAN. FULL TIME, NO PART TIME. SO THERE ARE NO BENEFITS, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE UNDER 20 HOURS A WEEK.

20 I THINK IT'S ABOUT 20. IS THAT WHAT'S REFLECTED IN HERE, NICOLE? DO YOU KNOW? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON BUDGET? ARE WE GOOD? I HAVE HAVE ONE FOR CITY STAFF. IS THE DECISION PACKAGE POSTED YET FOR CITIZENS FOR THE MONEY. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL IN THE MONDAY MEETING. SO IS IT OR CAN IT BE POSTED SO CITIZENS CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AHEAD OF OUR MEETING ON ON MONDAY? I THINK WE WERE WAITING TO MAKE SURE TODAY THAT EVERYTHING WAS WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND AGREED UPON FROM YOU ALL, AND THEN WE WILL POST IT. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT ON THAT SAME BUDGET PAGE RIGHT UNDER THE BASE BUDGET, SO CITIZENS CAN FIND IT? YEAH, IT'LL PROBABLY BE UNDERNEATH WHERE THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET IS. YEAH.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE THE WAY I SENT YOU THE DECISION PACKAGES WITH THAT EXCEL? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE COMMENTS TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE PROBABLY BUDGETED OUT AT THE MOMENT. STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TO COME. I THINK WE MADE PROGRESS THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT THAT WILL CONCLUDE

[X. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

COUNCILOR. SHARIA. YEAH. COMMUNITY INTEREST. THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY INTEREST. BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW. OKAY. COUNCILOR VAN NESS, WELL, MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT THE PARK SURVEY HAS BEEN EXTENDED, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY FILLED IT OUT, PLEASE GO IN AND FILL IT OUT. IT IS A LITTLE LONG, PROBABLY 15 TO 20 MINUTES TO COMPLETE IT. BUT ANDREW GALE, THE CHAIR, HAS EXTENDED THE TIME AND ALSO HE'S DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH AND OTHER REC MEMBERS AS WELL TO VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO TRY TO GET INPUT FROM SOME OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, INCLUDING PARENTS OF THE KIDS OF YOUTH LEAGUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE GET AS WELL-ROUNDED OF AN INPUT AS WE CAN. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RESULTS LAST NIGHT. SO SOME INTERESTING RESULTS SO FAR. BUT I GET THE WORD OUT IF YOU IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO FILL IT OUT AS PARKS. IT'S ABOUT TRAILS COMMUNITY CENTER. SO IF YOU THINK ANYTHING RELATED TO PARKS AND RECREATION, SO YOU MAY KNOW FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PRINCE AND MAYOR, COMMUNITY INTEREST. JUST WHAT I POSTED THE OTHER DAY ABOUT. I THINK SOME OF YOU ALL ARE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A JOINT EXERCISE WITH TEDOM TRAVIS COUNTY, SD, JONESTOWN JOINT VENTURE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAPMETRO MAY BE INVOLVED. WE'RE GOING TO DO A MOCK FIRE IN LAGO VISTA WITH WATER FAILURE. THAT'S THE SCENARIO WE CAME UP WITH. THIS INVOLVES A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TRAINING BEFOREHAND. WE HAVE TO DO SOME QUALIFYING, FEMA TRAINING WITH US AND STAFF, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER TRAINING IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE ON OCTOBER 6TH. CHIEF, I THINK IT WAS 6 OR 7 IS WHEN THE ACTUAL TABLETOP WILL BE. I JUST WANTED CITIZENS AND OTHERS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO'S PUTTING ALL THE WORK IN. AND I KNOW STAFF HAS TO DO SOME EXTRA TRAINING, SO I THANK THEM AS WELL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. COMMUNITY INTEREST. I WAS WAITING TO SEE. I'LL I APOLOGIZE. GO AHEAD. ERIC. MAYOR, MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU FOR SATURDAY, AUGUST 22ND, WE HAVE OUR LAGO VISTA SPLASH BASH, END OF SEASON POOL PARTY. SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WRAP UP THE SUMMER WITH GAMES, MUSIC. KONA ICE WILL BE THERE AND IT'S FREE ADMISSION FROM 1 TO 4. THAT'S RIGHT. I SAW THAT I WAS GOING, OH, THAT LOOKS LIKE FUN. YES. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO ROUTINE REPORTS

[XI. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]

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WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR, BECAUSE YOU HELPED US A LOT WITH THE PUBLIC ASPECT OF IT. AND ONE OF YOUR POSTS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PIPES MOVE UNDERGROUND AND THEY DO. SO OH, THERE'S MOVEMENT WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S DRY, THE PIPES MOVE. WHEN IT'S WET, THE PIPES MOVE. SO THAT MOVEMENT THAT'S SHIFTING EVERYTHING PUTS STRESS ON THE PIPES. THE PIPE THAT BOTOX IS ACTUALLY HDPE IS PLASTIC. THE FAILURE OF THIS PIPE WAS A WELD ON IT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE PIECE AT THE SHOP. WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING SOME TESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND KIND OF PREPARE TO IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN. WE ALREADY ORDERED MATERIAL, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CITIZENS CONCERNS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE MATERIAL IN STOCK OR SPACE IS VERY LIMITED WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SO STOCKING ALL THIS MATERIAL WOULD TAKE A LOT OF A LOT OF SPACE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KEEP A LOT OF MATERIAL IN STOCK FOR REPAIRS. AND THERE'S LARGE THEY'RE LARGE COUPLINGS. SO WE CANNOT, ON TOP OF THEM BEING SO EXPENSIVE, BUT WE ARE WE WERE KEEPING A COUPLE NOW IN STOCK, BUT THE FAILURE ITSELF, WE DON'T KNOW YET. ONCE I GET A WE DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PIPE, SEE WHAT HAPPENED. IF IT WAS THE FUSION DIFFUSION OR WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. AND IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE GROUND. IT MOVES, IT'S TOO DRY.

IT STARTS CRACKING THE GROUND AND IT STARTS MOVING THE PIPES, FITTINGS AND EVERYTHING. PVC IS PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECTING A THE CURRENT DROUGHT, WE EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN WHEN DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW, IF IT STARTS RAINING BECAUSE IT'S RAINING IT WILL POTENTIALLY HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PREPARE AND DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN STOCK AND HOW TO DO IT. THANK YOU. I REALLY THANK YOU AND CHIEF JOY FOR SENDING OUT THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING THE LINKS TO THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS WITH BACKFLOW, BACK PRESSURE, WHAT HAPPENS AT NIGHT WHEN WATER USAGE GOES DOWN, AND THEN ALSO Y'ALL'S QUICK REACTION TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESSURE DROPPING IN THE MORNING AND THEN THE, THE VENTS THAT Y'ALL INSTALLED. I KNOW THAT'S A TEMPORARY SOLUTION OR TEMPORARY FIX, BUT IT WILL EVENTUALLY GET ALL THE AIR OUT. I WAS OUT THIS A LITTLE ABOUT THIS WEEK. I DID SEE Y'ALL INSTALLING THEM OUT THERE, WHICH ALMOST IMMEDIATELY FIXED THE PROBLEM FOR FOR MORNING PRESSURES. LUCKILY, AT THE END OF WHERE OUR TURNBACK LEDGE WHERE I ACTUALLY LIVE, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRESSURE PROBLEMS AFTER THE INITIAL FIX AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CONCRETE BOLSTER THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE TO PREVENT THE BACK PRESSURE, I GUESS, FROM FROM MOVEMENT WASN'T THERE. AND SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FAILURE POINT. I GUESS THE CONCRETE BLOCK THAT WAS WASN'T INSTALLED. BUT ONCE YOU FIX THAT, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S QUICK ACTION. I KNOW THAT THOSE PARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. AND I BELIEVE YOU ALSO DISCUSSED THAT STORAGE IS A PROBLEM AND THAT YOU WERE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR MORE STORAGE TO BE BUILT EVENTUALLY. SO I'M SURE THAT WILL BE FACTORING INTO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ALONG THE WAY. ALSO, THE FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS IT'S A VERY ODD SIZED PIPE. IT'S 14IN. MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS EIGHT, TEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SIX. IN SOME PLACES THIS IS 14IN. IT'S VERY LARGE AND IT'S VERY UNUSUAL. THE SIZE IS ODD.

WE HAVE 16 INCH. WE HAVE VERY RARE 14. YEAH. THERE'S NO NORMAL IN THE INDUSTRY. YEAH.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. SO I UNDERSTAND NOT HAVING THAT IN STOCK. BUT I'M GLAD THAT Y'ALL WILL CARRY THAT FORWARD. AND IT IS VERY DRY OUT THERE. AND WITH ALL OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE MOVEMENT OF OF MATERIALS AND THEN EXCAVATING OUT THERE ALSO CAUSES SHIFTING OF LAND. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE DROUGHTS AND THE WATER. OUR, YOU KNOW, DROUGHTS AND FLOOD, IT'S THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT OF THE GROUND FROM EXCAVATION AND, YOU KNOW, DIGGING FOUNDATIONS, NOT, NOT RIGHT ON THE PIPES, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 100 YARDS AWAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING THE LAND.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. THANK YOU MINISTER. ALL RIGHT. JANET. ONE MORE THING. THIS IS MORE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAN A REPORT I

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PLANNING AND ZONING DID APPROVE SOMETHING AND SENT THAT TO COUNCIL FOR US TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP IN THAT CONSIDERATION PROCESS. MR. SULLIVAN STOOD IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND RAISED SOME CONCERNS THAT HE HAD WITH THE FLUME, WHICH THEY HAD RECOMMENDED GO TO COUNCIL. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME HEAD NODDING, BUT NO FORMAL DECISION ON THAT. AND SO. THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT COUNCIL CAN GO ABOUT IT. WE CAN SAY THEY RECOMMENDED SOMETHING TO US. WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT MR. SULLIVAN BROUGHT TO THEM. WE COULD SAY, WELL, LET'S SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT YET AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW THAT PLANNING AND ZONING AGAIN, THEY DIDN'T EXPRESS AN OPINION OF GREAT POINT. WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT OR WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT IT. IT WAS IT WAS NOT A, YOU KNOW, A CLEAR RESPONSE IN MY MY TAKE. SO COUNCIL COULD SEND IT BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS. DO YOU ALL WANT TO UPDATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE FLUME OR COUNCIL COULD JUST PICK IT UP AS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE PLANNING ZONING HAD LEFT IT AND SENT TO US AND FACTOR IN MR. SULLIVAN'S COMMENTS AND OTHER CITIZENS COMMENTS THAT LIKELY WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL ALONG WITH IT. THAT WOULD BE MY.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE COUNCIL LEVEL REVIEW. YEAH I

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OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. YEAH. OH THAT'S RIGHT. SHE'S ON VACATION THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU KNOW? I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M OFF. NO, NO. IN THE I WAS GOING TO IN THE STAFF REPORT. I WAS GOING TO JUST MAKE A QUICK NOTE ON FOR THE FINANCE HR SLASH IT.

THERE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION, WAS ASKED ABOUT IT, UPDATE THE CONVERSION FROM VERSION TO VERSION TEN HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD AS OF RIGHT NOW DUE TO CITY. THE CITY MANAGER NOT BEING HERE TRYING ENCODE. YES I'M SORRY. TYLER TECHNOLOGIES ENCODE. SO WE HAVE PUT A HOLD ON CONVERTING FROM VERSION TO VERSION TEN FOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE INTERIM GETS IN PLACE AND CAN DECIDE, YES, WE WANT TO STILL MOVE FORWARD AND HOW QUICKLY ALL OF THE WORK HAS BEEN PUT IN AND WILL STAY THERE. THEY ARE AWARE, AND WE DID. ON THE HR SIDE OF THINGS, WE DID HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT. WE HAD 94 STAFF MEET FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT AND GOT THAT ALL KICKED OFF NICE AND WELL. WE HAD INTERVIEWS FOR THE UTILITY BILLING CLERK, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO MAKE AN OFFER FOR THAT VERY SOON. AND WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW. THEY DID A PARKS AND REC INTERVIEW. THEY'VE BEEN FILLING SOME STAFFING POSITIONS EXCEPT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'VE BEEN TRUCKING ALONG. JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE UPDATE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHICH WHICH REMINDS ME, I KNOW CHIEF, YOU'VE TOLD COUNCIL, BUT HAVE WE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THAT THE HR POSITION YOU HAVE A PERSON IN LINE FOR THAT? YEAH. THE HR POSITION WAS FILLED. THE APPLICANT IS THE EMPLOYEE IS VICTORIA JILLIAN, AND SHE'LL BE STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 14TH. GOOD NEWS. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. WELL, UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. I'M LOOKING UP AT THE YEAR THEN IT IS NOW WHAT? 817. ACCORDING TO THAT CLOCK,

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