Aug 24, 2026 Special City Council

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GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 1:01 P.M.. I CALL THIS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]

[II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SECTION 551.071 LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION UNDER SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS REGARDING APPLICANTS AND APPLICATION PROCESS FOR INTERIM CITY MANAGER ITEM THREE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS CONCERNING KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL CLUB, INCLUDING THE ORGANIZATION'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AND RELATED CITY OBLIGATIONS.

I HAVE MOST OF MY COUNSEL HERE IN PERSON. I HAVE COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA ONLINE, AND COUNCILOR MENDEZ WILL BE JOINING US AROUND THREE.

AND THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS EXECUTIVE SESSION ACTUALLY WILL BE TO DO SOME INTERVIEWS WITH INTERIM CITY MANAGER APPLICANTS.

WE HAVE MR. JOHN BRANSON AND ISAAC TURNER TODAY.

COUNCIL ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU INTEND TO BRING UP IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY OUT HERE OR ARE WE READY TO GO? OKAY.

WITH THAT, WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'LL BE BACK OUT AT THREE. ALL RIGHT.

THE TIME IS 412. WE ARE NOW RECONVENING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION INTO OPEN SESSION, WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE ITEMS THAT ARE READ BEFORE.

[III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]

YES, MAYOR. SO WE STARTED OFF WITH THE INTERVIEW OF THE TWO APPLICANTS FOR THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER POSITION THAT TOOK UP THE BULK OF THE TIME.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, THERE WERE SPECIFIC LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO NUMBER ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH WAS HISTORICAL INFORMATION RELATED TO CALEB'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AND CITY FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. AND THEN THERE WERE OTHER SEPARATE QUESTIONS, LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT ARE THAT RELATE TO THE BUDGET.

AND WE PROVIDED SOME, SOME LEGAL ANSWERS AND BACKGROUND TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL NOTE, I HAVE ALL MY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE IN PERSON EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA AND COUNCILOR VANESSA, WHO I THINK ARE GOING TO BE JOINING US ONLINE.

WITH THAT, I'LL GO AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ACTION.

ITEM ONE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WHERE A CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR ON THAT.

NO ACTION. THANK YOU. ITEM TWO CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SECTION 551.071 AND DISCUSSION UNDER SECTION 551.074 REGARDING AN APPLICANT'S. AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR CITY MANAGER. IS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? I KNOW THERE'S ACTION.

IS THAT ACTION? DO WE DO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ACTION TO ANNOUNCE? SO IF IF THE COUNCIL IS READY TO MAKE A DECISION, THEN THERE WOULD BE ACTION TONIGHT OFF OF THAT ITEM.

AND THE ACTION CAN BE TO DIRECT THE WHAT IS IT CALLED? WHO'S YOUR RECRUITER BLANKED ON THE NAME? THE WORD TO, TO, TO ACTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT THE RECRUITER AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

OKAY. SO IF THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ACTION TONIGHT ON THAT ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY ACTION? MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO HAVE THE RECRUITER IMPLEMENT OUR DECISION AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'LL SECOND THAT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR, PRO TEM A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IS UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN ZERO.

MISS VAN NESS, I HEARD MISS CHAVARRIA. I THINK I HEARD.

MR. CHAVARRIA, I NEED TO HEAR YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU BOTH NEED TO BE ON SPEAKER. AND WE NEED TO HEAR YOU. YES, I SAID I OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM THREE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS CONCERNING KEEP LAGO VISTA BEAUTIFUL, INCLUDING THE ORGANIZATION'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE CITY AND RELATED CITY OBLIGATIONS. IS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? NO ACTION. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

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TEXAS. FLAG. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE. CITIZEN COMMENTS.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL PROHIBITED FROM ACTING OR DISCUSSING OTHER THAN FACTUAL RESPONSES TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? DO I HAVE ANY CITIZENS HERE? AND NON-AGENDA ITEMS? I DON'T HAVE ANY TURNED IN ANYONE HERE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEMS.

[Items VI.1 & VI.2]

SELECTING A DATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, A COPY OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND TAX IMPACT STATEMENT PREPARED UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.043 C, ARE INCLUDED WITH THIS NOTICE AND ARE ACCESSIBLE ON THE HOME PAGE OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT BUDGET ITEM TWO CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON ADOPTION OF A PROPOSAL TO SET A 2027 TAX RATE.

.5.451988 FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, AND WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SEPARATE ACTION ON THOSE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL I THINK THE PURPOSE OF A LOT OF GETTING WORK DONE TODAY FOR THIS SPECIAL ONE WAS TO GO THROUGH THE DECISION PACKET, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY, IF WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL BUDGET FIRST, FROM A TOP DOWN LEVEL, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THING THEY WANT TO SAY ON THAT.

OTHERWISE WE CAN JUMP INTO DECISION PACKAGES YOU WANT TO DO.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BRING THAT UP ON IT WHEN IT COMES UP.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL HAVE STAN PROVIDE.

NO GENERAL COMMENTS. THEN WE CAN JUMP INTO THE DECISION PACKAGE.

YEP. MAYOR PRO TEM FORGIVE ME, MAYOR, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO ASK IN THE DECISION PACKAGES, THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BEFORE COUNCIL JUST IN REGARD TO THE EDC.

ONE OF THEM IN TERMS OF STRATEGIC PLANNING, IF THERE'S ANY RESOURCES THAT CAN BE FOUND FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, I REALIZE WE ARE REALLY, REALLY TIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION.

THE OTHER IS REGARDING MAYBE SOME INTERIM A SHORT BIT OF FUNDS POTENTIALLY FOR AN INTERIM TECHNOLOGY PIECE TO HELP US HAVE SOME INFORMATION COME BACK TO US WITHOUT TAKING ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A CONVERSATION POINT.

IT CAN HAPPEN AS WE MOVE ALONG IN THE DISCUSSION PACKAGES.

THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK THE THE ONE WHO'S IN THERE THE MOST IS AND PUBLIC WORKS.

SO I MAY LEAD WITH YOU COMING UP AND KIND OF GIVE A PRESENTATION ON YOUR DECISION PACKAGE ITEMS AND THEN COUNCIL CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

QUICK POINT OF ORDER IS YOUR MIC ON? THAT SOUNDS BETTER.

THANK YOU. I INTRODUCED MYSELF AND NOBODY HEARD ME.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. SEVERAL ATTACHMENTS COME WITH IT.

SO THE PRICING YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS NOT JUST THE MACHINE, BUT ATTACHMENTS WITH IT.

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OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH SAYING AGAIN, IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, YOU'VE GOT THIS MINI EXCAVATOR IN TWO PLACES.

YES. IT'S A SINGLE MINI EXCAVATOR IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL BE SHARED BETWEEN TWO DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO YOU PUT HALF OF THE TOTAL COST FOR THE ONE AND ONLY MINI EXCAVATOR IN EACH OF THOSE TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE PUBLIC WORKS IS BUYING TOO MANY EXCAVATORS BECAUSE EACH DEPARTMENT NEEDS THEIR OWN.

IT'S A SINGLE, SINGLE PURCHASE. YES, SIR. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

YES. SO ONE SINGLE PURCHASE, TWO DEPARTMENTS, MULTIPLE ATTACHMENTS WITH IT.

SO THE PRICE TAG FOR THAT IS. 109 109,609 WITH $0.22.

THAT IS A BIBLE QUOTE. AND IT'S TOTAL AT THE AT THE DOOR.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SO FAR? CHIEF, CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING THAT IS THIS IN ADDITION TO OR REPLACEMENT FOR ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THIS ONE WOULD BE AN ADDITION, AN INITIAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS DURING THE CHIPPING AT THE GREEN CENTER AND FOR SAFETY PURPOSES ON THE ROADWAYS.

WHENEVER YOU HAVE A BACKHOE THE SPACE IS MORE CONSTRICTED.

THERE'S NO CARS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND WHENEVER YOU'RE DITCHING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE'S CHANNELS SO YOU'RE ABLE TO GET INTO THE DITCH WITH THE BACKHOE IS MORE ROBUST AND YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO MANEUVER AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? I DO. IF OTHERS DON'T.

IT SAYS HERE THAT THIS WILL HELP REDUCE RENTAL AND CONTRACTOR COSTS.

DO YOU HAVE BIDS ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO CONTRACT THIS OUT? AND HOW MANY TIMES DID WE DO THAT IN THE PREVIOUS COUPLE OF YEARS? THEY DID THAT FOUR YEARS AGO. THEY CONTRACTED IT OUT.

I DON'T HAVE THE PRICING, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.

CURRENTLY, WHENEVER WE CONTRACT TO ANY. RW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

SO FAR IT'S LOOKING AT ABOUT $80,000. JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES.

NOTHING SET IN STONE. WHEN WE HIRED THE COMPANY TO DO THE CHIPPING AT THE GREEN CENTER IT WAS ABOUT $40,000 PER SESSION BASED ON CUBIC CUBIC, YOU KNOW, CUBIC YARDS AND WHATEVER THE AMOUNT OF BRIDGES AT THE CENTER.

AND YOU SAID WE HAVEN'T USED IT. WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN FOUR YEARS.

THE DITCHING, I'M SORRY. THE DITCHING AND THE DRAINAGE.

YES. IN FOUR YEARS. FOR ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS. YES.

OKAY. THE MULCHING WAS DONE TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT DOWN AND EVEN THE CHIPPER WAS DOWN.

OKAY, MR. BENFIELD, I DON'T SEE ANY INFORMATION LIKE WHAT TYPE OF MINI EXCAVATOR IT IS.

AM I MISSING THAT? IT WASN'T IN BUDGET, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.

IT'S IN THE. IF YOU GO TO THE DECISION PACKAGE AND THEN GO TO THE ATTACHMENTS.

OKAY. YES. IT'S IT'S HARD TO FIND SOMETIMES. YEAH.

APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S A CATERPILLAR 305. YES.

NO. THEN I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. OR QUESTIONS. MAYOR PRO TEM JUST JUST A REAL QUICK I KNOW.

OKAY, SO TO THE MAYOR'S AND YOUR RESPONSE TO IT.

WE HAVEN'T USED THIS IN A WHILE, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND IMPLEMENTING ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

SO IN THIS CASE, IS THIS WILL THAT ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE DOING BETTER RIGHT AWAY OR AN ONGOING RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, RATHER THAN IT BEING EVERY FOUR YEARS OR SO THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THAT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT NEXT YEAR SOME TYPE OF DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLOODING THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR TO CLEAN CULVERTS REROUTE DITCHES.

RIGHT NOW WE USE A SKID STEER, BUT IT PLAYS A DIFFICULT PART TO, TO DO THAT AND SMALL SPACES.

SO TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GET SOME USE OUT OF THIS THIS YEAR, YOU NEED TO GO TOGETHER.

YOU NEED TO PUT TOGETHER SUCH A PLAN. AND THAT PLAN ISN'T YET PUT TOGETHER AS TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT. IT IS A VERY ROUGH DRAFT. BUT YES, I HAVE SOMETHING TOGETHER.

OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO US? SURE.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE. SO THE NEXT ONE.

IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL MOTOR. SO IF YOU GUYS RECALL DURING THE CEDAR BREAKS EVALUATION COUNCIL GRANTED US A MOTOR WHICH IS AN ATTACHMENT TO A SKID STEER. AND IT'S AHEAD. AND THEN YOU KIND OF JUST DRIVE IN AND MULCH THE, THE THE TREES AND STUMPS AND WHATEVER IS THERE.

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SO WE HAVE OUR W AREAS WHERE IT'S BETWEEN PROPERTIES AND WE INTEND TO USE IT TO MAINTAIN THOSE AREAS, THOSE UTILITY EASEMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CITY PRODUCES A LOT OF BRUSH FROM ALL OUR FACILITIES SO THAT WE DO SOME OF THE IN-HOUSE, BUT IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. SO INSTEAD OF HIRING A CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MOTOR TO HELP MOVE THINGS FASTER.

SO THAT ATTACHMENT PRICE TAG IS 31,817. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PILE GROWING UP BEHIND PD OF ALL THE FACILITIES. SO THE CITY FACILITIES.

SO IT BECOMES A FIRE HAZARD FROM BECOMES JUST PROBLEMATIC.

AND THEN THERE'S TOO MUCH IF COUNCIL RECALLS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE HAD THE WINTER STORM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE KIND OF ADVISED TO GET RID OF THAT BRUSH BECAUSE IT COULD POTENTIALLY CATCH ON FIRE.

SO INSTEAD OF USING CONTRACTORS TO CHIP IT, WE INTEND THIS TO STREET DEPARTMENT TO USE THAT MOTOR AND KIND OF DRIVE OVER, USE OUR MOTOR AND SEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, GIVE IT FOR FREE OR SPREAD IT WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO GO.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.

ERNESTINE WANTS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW THIS IS AN ATTACHMENT, CORRECT? NOT THE FULL BLOWN THING.

SO AND THEN I AM NOT NO, I DON'T KNOW, EQUIPMENT LIKE MR. BENEFIELD DOES. BUT DO THESE THINGS HAVE A LIFESPAN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF BECAUSE WHEN WE BUY THESE, I SEE THIS AS AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF OUR LONG TERM MAINTENANCE.

BUT HOW LONG IS THAT? AND SO THAT SPEAKS TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PURCHASE IT IN HOUSE OR USE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTING COMPANIES.

I DON'T KNOW, DEPENDS REALLY ON THE MAINTENANCE PROVIDER OR PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY AGGRESSIVE ON MAINTENANCE OF OUR EQUIPMENT.

WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK OR IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH IT GETS USED SERVING THE BLADES AND ALL THAT.

SO IT ALL DEPENDS REALLY ON HOW MUCH YOU USE IT AND WHAT KIND OF CARE YOU GIVE IT. SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU AN ANSWER, BUT MAYBE I CAN ASK OTHER PEOPLE. DO YOU HAVE PRICING FOR HOW MUCH IT'S COST CONTRACTORS TO GET RID OF THIS MULCH? I BELIEVE THE SAME AMOUNT AS I SAY, ABOUT $40,000, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY GIVE US, MAYBE 32 TO 33, THOUGH IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH CUBIC YARDS WE HAVE, CUBIC YARDS OF TREES WE HAVE.

AND YOU SAID WE'VE BEEN JUST BUILDING IT BEHIND PD FOR A WHILE. WAS THERE ANY PLAN? WE JUST STARTED THIS YEAR AGAIN.

WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR AND I THINK THAT BID CAME OUT TO 48,000.

SO WE DON'T GET THIS EQUIPMENT. WHAT WAS THE PLAN? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GO OUT AND CONTRACT FOR IT? HIRE ANOTHER CONTRACTOR TO DO THE SAME THING. WHAT WAS THE TIMELINE OF THAT? PROBABLY BEGINNING OF FALL.

OKAY. SO PRETTY SOON. PRETTY SOON. YEAH. IS THIS FALL UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR DO WE HAVE TO RFQ IT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? WE WILL REQUEST THREE QUOTES, BUT IT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF CONTRACTORS THAT DO THAT KIND OF CHIPPING.

OKAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COMPANIES, BUT THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF THOSE THAT DO IT. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO GET SOME OF THESE BIDS TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST? NOT ME, THE CONTRACTOR, HOW LONG IT TAKES HIM.

BUT I CAN TRY AND ASK THEM. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT IF WE CAN HAVE THAT.

SURE. I'M SORRY. OH. THAT'S RIGHT. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BRIEF INFORMATION ON INDUSTRIAL CHIPPERS.

THAT ATTACHMENT NORMALLY GETS ABOUT 3000 TO 6000 HOURS OF USE.

AND THAT'S AS IF THAT'S IF THE BLADE IS MAINTAINED.

AND DEPENDING ON THE DIAMETER OF THE BARK THAT'S BEING FED THROUGH IT.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT. THAT'S IT'S ABOUT 3000 TO 6000 HOURS.

OKAY. NEXT ITEM. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS A BACKWARD REPLACEMENT.

CURRENTLY THIS IS A REQUEST FOR STREET DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE STREET DEPARTMENT HAS TWO VEHICLES. THEY'RE THEY'RE OVER TEN YEARS OLD.

ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE.

IT'S CLOSE TO 4000 HOURS. I NOTICED SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS MAYOR ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT GETTING A FIVE YEAR HISTORY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS NOT DOCUMENTED. THE HISTORY.

WE DID REACH OUT TO THE VENDOR WHO'S BEEN DOING THE MAINTENANCE TO SEE IF HE CAN GET US SOME KIND OF LOG OR ANY OF THAT NATURE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED. THAT WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. WE ALSO REQUESTED TO DO A TRADE IN, QUOTE, THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO US OR COME BACK TO GIVE US AN ESTIMATE, BUT THE BACKUP THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY USES THOSE BACKUPS FOR THE GREEN CENTER AND BACKUPS ARE DOWN. SO THEY ACTUALLY USING UTILITIES BACKUPS TO DO THE WORK HAS BEEN DOWN.

IT'S CONSTANTLY GOING DOWN FOR SENSORS AND ALL KINDS OF ITEMS. AND IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE HAVE GREEN CENTER AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO USE TO HELP MOVE THE BRUSH, UNLOAD THE BRUSH AND ALL THAT. IN ADDITION TO ANY WORK ON THE ROAD THAT BACKUPS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.

ALTHOUGH THE FAILURES ARE, AND IT'S A BRAKE JOB AND MAKES TIRES AND IT'S JUST MAJOR REPLACEMENTS COMING UP.

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AND THE REQUEST FOR THAT BACKHOE IS 150 000 147.

THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, IT'S A CAT. 420 AND THE QUOTE IS A FOR QUOTE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? MY QUESTION IS IN THE TIME THAT UTILITIES HAS BEEN LENDING THIS OVER, HAVE WE MISSED ANY PROJECTS UTILITIES OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING? IS THERE A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T SHARE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN SHARING? YES, THEY'VE BEEN SHARING. YES, WE MISSED A COUPLE UTILITIES, BUT BECAUSE UTILITIES HAS THE TWO MINI EXCAVATORS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE DUES. BUT THERE'S TIMES WHEN THE MINI EXCAVATOR IS NOT ABLE TO DIG CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN SPOTS AND SUCH. SO WE HAVE TO PULL THE EQUIPMENT FROM STREET DEPARTMENT AND PUT STREET DEPARTMENT ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET THAT EQUIPMENT.

AND STREET DEPARTMENT ONLY USES IT WHEN THE GREEN CENTER IS OPEN OR WHEN WHEN DO THEY USE IT? WHENEVER THEY REPLACE CULVERTS, STREET SIGNS NOT STREET SIGNS, GUARDRAILS AND ANY TYPE OF JOBS LIKE THAT.

DO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF HOW OFTEN THAT WAS USED THIS PAST YEAR? YEAH, WE REPLACED CITY DEPARTMENT REPLACED THREE GUARDRAILS.

SO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THREE THREE TIMES. THEY ALSO DID THEY REPLACED FOUR CULVERTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THOSE ARE THE ONES I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW ON TOP OF MY HEAD.

AND HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO USE THE BACKHOE DURING THESE PROJECTS FOR THE CULVERTS? IT DEPENDS ON THE CULVERT, THE SIZE AND THE AREA.

FOR THIS PAST PROJECTS, IT TOOK ABOUT A WEEK AND YOU TYPICALLY HAVE TO LEAVE THE EQUIPMENT THERE COVERING THE TRENCH BECAUSE IT'S JUST SAFETY.

IT HELPS IT, BUT THEY STAY ON SITE FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE AREA. SO THERE ARE SEVEN PROJECTS AND THEY EACH TOOK A WEEK.

THAT'S SEVEN WEEKS. BUT THE REST OF THE WEEKS IT WAS AVAILABLE TO UTILITIES.

WHAT WAS IT FOR UTILITIES. IF EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS HE SAID WAS IT THREE GUARDRAILS AND FOUR CULVERTS.

IF EACH ONE TOOK A WEEK, THAT'S SEVEN WEEKS THAT THEY NEEDED IT FOR. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE WEEKS AVAILABLE FOR UTILITIES.

IS THAT. NO, BECAUSE EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT.

OKAY. I WAS CONFUSED BY. YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE SHARING IT.

NOT RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A BACKLOG YET BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DOWN ACTUALLY FOR A MONTH.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS CONTRACTORS, THE SUPPLIERS TO COME FIX IT.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY RESPONSIVE. ALSO, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

THE SUPPLIER IS NOT VERY RESPONSIVE ON THE ON THE ASSET MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, NOT AGREEMENTS, BUT THE MAINTENANCE AND REQUESTS AND ALL THAT. THE ALWAYS GIVE AN EXCUSE WHY THEY CAN'T BE HERE ON TIME OR CHARGING AN ARM AND A LEG TO COME LOOK AT IT AND GIVE US AN ESTIMATE.

THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN WORK ON IT, I GUESS BECAUSE A WARRANTY.

NO, BECAUSE IT'S VERY THE EQUIPMENT IS VERY PARTICULAR OF THEIR OWN BRAND.

SO THERE'S OTHER WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO OTHER COMPANIES.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY BRANDS, BUT OTHER COMPANIES, BUT THEY COME AND DO WHAT THEY CAN.

BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES INTO THE COMPUTER, THEY ONLY OWNER OF THAT BACKHOE CAN TOUCH IT.

OKAY. IF WE DIDN'T FIND THIS. WHAT WOULD YOUR DEPARTMENT DO IF WE GREEN CENTER? WE UTILIZE A LEAK IN GREEN CENTER CAN OPERATE.

WE'LL HAVE TO ISSUE A NOTICE TO. WE'LL BE CLOSED.

GREEN CENTER MOSTLY THAT. AND IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE OR ANY TYPE OF BRUSH REMOVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE JUST HAD TO PUSH IT BACK. PRIORITIZE. OKAY.

WATER AND SEWER. I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE PRIORITY.

YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE GREEN CENTER BECAUSE IT'S ONLY OPEN ONE WEEKEND A MONTH.

SO WE WOULD JUST NOT HAVE TO DO IT FOR A MONTH OR TWO.

BUT YEAH, BUT THAT BRUSH GETS COLLECTED AND HAS TO BE CHIPPED.

SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE COLLECT THE BRUSH AND THE NEXT MONTH IS NOT CHIPPED AND GONE, WE STILL HAVE TO CONTRACT IT OUT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO GREEN CENTER IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO COME ONCE A MONTH, BUT YOU'RE SPENDING THE WHOLE MONTH CHIPPING AND USING THAT.

OR HOW ABOUT THREE DAYS, THREE DAYS, 3 OR 4 DAYS? DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THEY DROP OFF. OKAY, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. NEXT ONE. I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE MAYOR'S QUESTION IS.

SO WE HAVE ONE WORKING BACKHOE AT THE MOMENT IN THE CITY.

RIGHT. WHICH IS IN THE IN THE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE, NOT IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

NO, NO, NO. WE HAVE TWO WORKING BACKWARDS WITH UTILITIES.

UTILITIES. OKAY. SO THE DEPARTMENT HAS TWO BACKHOES AND THEY'RE BOTH DOWN.

OKAY. AND SO WE HAVE NONE THAT ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW.

TWO. TWO. SO WE HAVE FOUR BACKHOES IN TOTAL. TWO FOR STREET DEPARTMENT, TWO FOR UTILITIES.

OKAY. SO BOTH THE STREET DEPARTMENT BACKHOES ARE DOWN.

YEAH. WE STILL CAN'T GET THE THE PERSON TO COME FIX THEM.

AND SO TWO OF THE FOUR ARE WORKING. TWO OF THE FOUR ARE NOT WORKING. YES.

SO UTILITIES IS LENDING. AND I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE MAYOR'S QUESTIONS IS THE TWO THAT ARE STILL WORKING.

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OR CAN WE GET BY WITH JUST THE TWO THAT ARE WORKING.

THAT'S YOU KNOW, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR ANOTHER YEAR IN A VERY TIGHT BUDGET YEAR, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A LOT OF EQUIPMENT AND A LOT OF ASKS.

CAN YOU SPARE THOSE FOR A YEAR? WILL YOU MAKE IT TO 2028? IT'S A 5050. I COULD TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT YEAR AND NOT NEED IT, BUT IT COULD BE THAT IT'S GOING TO START RAINING.

AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THIS BRUSH, ALL THESE THINGS GOING ON. SO I'LL BE HESITANT TO SAY, YES, I CAN MAKE IT AND THEN COME TO A DECISION. COUNCIL.

YEAH, SO I JUST THINK LAST YEAR YOU GUYS ASKED FOR A VAC TRUCK THAT WAS PUT ON HOLD.

OKAY. AT THE TIME I WAS TOLD TO US, THIS IS EXTREMELY URGENT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE IF WE DON'T GET THIS. I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LEASED AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENED WITH IT.

I SHOW UP TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. IT'S NOT ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET EITHER. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN DO WE DETERMINE THAT THINGS ARE EMERGENT? WHEN I HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING TOLD THAT SOME THINGS ARE, AND THEN I COME TO THE NEXT YEAR AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THERE.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE VAC TRUCK? SURE.

THAT ONE WAS BROUGHT TO THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION TO KIND OF.

HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THIS REASON AND ALL THAT.

AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, PUSH IT FORWARD. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. IT SAYS, YES, WE NEED IT. WE DO NEED IT. WE STILL NEED IT. BUT IT WAS IN AN EMERGENCY. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. BUT BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CONSTRAINT AND WE SEE HOW WE PROGRESS THINGS IN PUBLIC WORKS, WE DECIDED TO PUT THAT ON HOLD AND WAIT. I DO APOLOGIZE THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO KEEP IT THERE KIND OF AS A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE WE STILL WANT TO GET IT, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PROTECT THE ASSETS IN THE SENSE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO STORE IT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK IT. I MEAN, WE DO, BUT WE WANT TO PUT IT IN AN ENCLOSED AREA. SO BECAUSE LAST YEAR IT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BE LIKE, HEY, WE NEED THIS AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED.

AND THEN IT ACTUALLY MOVED FORWARD FAIRLY QUICKLY.

AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, BEING CONSCIOUS OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, WE DECIDED TO PUT IT ON HOLD AND NOT GO FOR MORE FUNDING OR MORE FUNDS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON HOLD. THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AT RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S ON HOLD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA COME REQUEST IT WHEN IT WHEN WE HAVE A AREA WHERE WE CAN PROTECT THE ASSET.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. THIS ONE IS A SNOW BLADE ATTACHMENT.

SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, DURING THE SNOW STORM, THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMERS REQUESTS.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS? WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT? WE NEED IT.

THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS. SO IT WAS TAKING ALL THE COMMENTS.

AND THE CONCERNS THAT BROUGHT TO ME WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND WE WENT AND ASKED FOR AN ESTIMATE ON A SNOW BLADE ATTACHMENT.

IT IS NOT A TRUCK OR ANYTHING. IT'S AN ATTACHMENT. YOU PUT IN A SKID STEER. AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH TO CLEAR THE STREETS.

THE PRICE TAG ON THIS 11,470. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS IS SERIOUS ACTION PACKAGE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? MAYOR PRO TEM SORRY, IT'S A CRAZY QUESTION, BUT BEING THAT WE NEED THAT LIKE EVERY FOUR YEARS OR SOMETHING ARE THERE COULD WE, WE'D EITHER JUST SHUT DOWN THE CITY OR IS THERE ANY OTHER CAPABILITIES IN THE LAGO VISTA AREA THAT WE COULD UTILIZE IN ORDER TO, TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF ANY ICE OR WHATEVER THE THIS PARTICULAR IMPLEMENT WOULD DO FOR THE STREETS? WELL, IDEALLY WE WOULD SHUT DOWN THE STREETS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE JUST STILL GO OUT THERE AND, AND VENTURE OUT. SO AND THIS EQUIPMENT WILL BE USED WHENEVER THE STREET DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GO OUT AND SAND IT.

WE'LL GO FIRST WITH THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, CLEAR OUT THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT FOR THE TRUCK WITH THE SAND, AND KIND OF CLEAR THE PATH AND THEN START GOING IN MORE AREAS THAT ARE RESTRICTIVE, TRAFFIC RESTRICTED.

BUT YEAH, IF IF, IF THE, THE CITY GETS SHUT DOWN, THAT MEANS WE'RE SHUT DOWN UNTIL WE ARE ALLOWED BY PD TO GO OUT.

NEXT ITEM. ALL. PERSONNEL. FIELD CREW. SO BEFORE YOU I AM.

PUBLIC WORKS IS REQUESTING TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS FOR STREET DEPARTMENT, SO I'LL BE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS NOW FINALLY FULLY STAFFED. SO PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NOT THERE WAS A LOT OF VACANCIES AND WE'RE WORKING TO DO STAFF RETENTION. SO THE GOAL, AS I MENTIONED FOR NEXT YEAR IS TO CREATE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS FOR STREET DEPARTMENT.

IDEALLY HISTORICALLY STREET DEPARTMENT HAS DONE EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING BUT STREET JOBS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT AND ACTUALLY DO A LOT OF REPAIRS, CRACK CEILING, OUR MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT.

SO WHEN STAFF IS ON THE STREETS YOU HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT YOU NEED.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX, SIX STAFF MEMBERS AND ANOTHER SIX STAFF MEMBERS.

SOMEBODY'S SICK OR OUT ON VACATION WHATNOT. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH FOUR, JUST ENOUGH FOR ONE CREW.

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SO THE INTENT WITH THIS IS TO HAVE A LARGER CREW SO THAT WE CAN INITIATE DOING THE MAINTENANCE ON THE DRAINAGE.

THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM AREAS. AND IF GRANTED, THEN WE WILL CREATE 2 OR 3 CREWS AND ADJUST FROM THERE AND KIND OF WORK THAT PROGRAM TO TAKE IT OFF THE GROUND AND HOPEFULLY DO A DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE A LITTLE BETTER THAN WE HAVE BEFORE. THE PRICE TAG FOR TWO MEMBERS WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED IS 135,130.

QUESTIONS. MY QUESTION IS BACK TO WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

AND YOU EMAILED YOU EMAILED ME SOME ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PHASE THREE OF THE STREET RESURFACING AND WHERE I'M FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PROMISED THE PUBLIC THREE YEARS AGO THAT THEY WOULD GET THREE STRAIGHT YEARS OF A STREET REHAB PROJECT, AND WE TOOK A C-O BOND OUT BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE COULDN'T GO FOR A GEO BOND.

AND NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE SHOULD DELAY PHASE THREE, WHAT COULD BE UP TO A YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW, VICTOR DIDN'T PUT A TIME DATE ON IT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO A DRAINAGE STUDY. THERE'S A 250 STREETS THAT WERE MISSING FROM THE ORIGINAL ANALYSIS. MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WE MADE A PROMISE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU WANT TWO NEW EMPLOYEES TO WORK ON SOME STREET REHAB AND SOME DRAINAGE RELATED AREAS, COULDN'T THOSE JUST BE OUR PHASE THREE? AND WE CONTINUE WHAT WE TOLD THE PUBLIC WE WERE GOING TO DO.

WE HAVE YEAR THREE COMING UP. WE HAVE C-O BOND FUNDS FOR IT.

WHATEVER PROJECTS YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH YOUR STREETS CREW, WOULDN'T WE JUST CONTINUE IT AS PHASE THREE? AND THEN WE NEVER SAID THAT. THE THREE PHASES OF THIS STREET REHAB WERE GOING TO HIT THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY.

IF THERE ARE THOSE STREETS THAT ARE IN THAT LIST THAT DON'T END UP GETTING FUNDED, THAT WILL BE THE 2028 STREETS PROJECTS, AND THEY'LL HAVE A FULL STUDY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THEM.

I MEAN, IS THAT NOT FEASIBLE FOR US TO DO? WELL, THE INTENT WAS NEVER REALLY TO WAIT UNTIL THE DRAINAGE STUDY WAS DONE.

IT JUST KIND OF WE REALISTICALLY, WE RUN OUT OF TIME STAFF LIMITATIONS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP.

BUT THE, WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT TO GO OUT THERE AND ASSESS THOSE STREETS.

BUT BECAUSE WHENEVER WE'RE DOING THOSE ASSESSMENTS, WE FOUND MORE STREETS. SO THE LISTS ARE GETTING MORE COMPLICATED.

SO THE GOAL IS STILL THAT TO HAVE THAT STREET DEPARTMENT GO OUT THERE AND DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE STREETS AND EVALUATE DRAINAGE, WHAT WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE AND BE PROACTIVE THAT WAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TIME RUNS QUICKLY SLIPS OUT OF OUR HANDS AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND, I GUESS ON THAT. AND THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PAVING, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH VICTOR, SEE WHERE WE ARE ON, ON, ON GETTING THAT DONE. BUT I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MONTH OUT OF THE FISCAL YEAR, SO I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST.

PAUL PRINCE I DON'T THINK I WAS BEING CLEAR IF WE ACTUALLY DECIDED THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PAVE THIS YEAR, AND WE MADE THAT THE PHASE THREE, WOULD YOU STILL NEED TO EXPAND YOUR STAFF THIS YEAR, OR COULD WE BE UTILIZING PHASE THREE TO PUSH THAT OFF FOR YOUR TEAM TILL NEXT YEAR? NEXT YEAR YOU WOULD EXPAND YOUR STAFF, BUT THIS YEAR YOU WOULD RELY ON THOSE CONTRACTORS THAT WERE FULFILLING PHASE THREE.

IS THAT FEASIBLE OR ARE WE SAYING NO, IMPOSSIBLE? NO. THAT'S FEASIBLE. OKAY, THAT COUNCIL IS MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT WHENEVER WE GET TO THAT CONVERSATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. NEXT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE GO TO PLAN OPERATIONS EFFLUENT.

I AM PUBLIC WORKS IS REQUESTING A SKID STEER FOR CEDAR BREAKS.

COUNCIL WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GRANT US A MOTOR.

PLANT OPERATIONS HAS A SKID STEER, BUT IT GETS UTILIZED AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT AND THE WATER PLANT FOR VARIOUS MAINTENANCE ITEMS, SUCH AS MOVING HEAVY TANKS, MOVING THE ROLL OFF SLUDGE COLLECTOR THE CLEANING OF THE DRYING BEDS AT THE WATER PLANT. JUST VARIOUS PROJECTS. SO FOR CEDAR BREAKS, AS YOU ALL KNOW IT'S A LARGE 100 PLUS ACRES OF, OF LAND. SO THE CONSTRAINT IS THAT WHENEVER WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT, YOU LOSE AN HOUR WHEN YOU MOVE IT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, SOMETIMES MORE. SO THE IDEA RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ASSIGNED STAFF MEMBER TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE AND, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE SKID STEER RIGHT NOW, IT WAS AT CEDAR BREAKS AND IT'S DOWN.

HAD A RADIATOR LEAK. SO HAVING TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, ONE ASSIGNED TO CEDAR BREAKS WERE VERY BENEFICIAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHIPPING. HEAD MULCHING HEAD THAT WAS GRANTED TO PUBLIC WORKS AND PRICE TAG COMES AT $70,000.

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SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? JUST MY USUAL QUESTION.

IF YOU COULD GIVE ME ANY QUOTES ON WHAT THE RENTAL COSTS ARE THE RENTAL COSTS FOR SKID STEER, I CAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY IF THE CONTRACTOR, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HIRED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CEDAR BREAKS REHAB PROJECT, ESSENTIALLY, WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO CHIP AND MULCH. IT WAS ABOUT $120,000.

BUT THAT CAME WITH THE LABOR, RIGHT? CORRECT.

YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR VAN S AND COUNCIL.

SORRY. I KEEP FORGETTING TO OCCASIONALLY LOOK UP THERE, SO JUST HOLLER AT ME IF I DON'T SEE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO LET'S SAY, LIKE THE PROJECT THAT WE JUST HIRED THE CONTRACTOR FOR, HOW MANY OF THAT TYPE OF PROJECTS WOULD YOU HAVE IN A YEAR? EARNEST. IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT.

IF WE LET IT GROW, WE PROBABLY BE IN THE SAME BOAT WITHIN A YEAR.

I MEAN, NEEDING TO DO THE SAME TYPE OF CLEARING AND THE TYPE OF MULCHING.

OKAY. SO LET ME LET ME REPHRASE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU OR WHAT IS THE ONGOING USE THAT YOU ENVISION THAT YOU WOULD DO WITH THIS, WITH THIS DAILY, DAILY, DAILY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO FOR SEWER PLAN AND WATER SEWER PLAN AND WATER PLAN BUDGET, WE REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE.

AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE NOW FULLY STAFFED. PLANT OPERATIONS.

WE HAVE 22 LIFT STATIONS, TWO WATER PLANTS, 111 WASTE WATER PLANT.

WE HAVE SIX BOOSTER STATIONS AND MULTIPLE ISSUES GOING ON, RIGHT? SO EACH ONE OF THOSE OPERATORS NEEDS A VEHICLE TO GO TO THAT SITE.

IS THAT TO INVESTIGATE THE SEWER PLANT OR JUST TO GET A LIFT STATION? SO THEY REALLY CANNOT PAIR TO TAKE CARE OF A JOB.

THEY DO PAIR WHENEVER THEY DO PROJECTS AND THEY'RE ON A SITE, BUT IDEALLY IT'S A ONE PERSON JOB OPERATION AND THEY JUST TRAVEL ALL OVER THE CITY DOING THE MAINTENANCE. SO THE VEHICLES ARE THIS IS A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE.

THE THESE VEHICLES ARE ABOUT, I BELIEVE, 12 YEARS OLD.

PAST THE TEN YEARS OF LIFE AND HAS 120 000 MILES.

BOTH OF THEM HAVE AIRBAGS ON WARNING SIGNS. SO OF COURSE, IT BECOMES A SAFETY HAZARD.

THEY ARE BEING USED NOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO. THEY NEED TO UTILIZE THE VEHICLES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL MECHANICAL ISSUES. WE DID GO TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES TO THE DEALERSHIP AT MARBLE FALLS, AND THEY TOLD US, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE DASHBOARD AND TRANSMISSION ISSUES ARE COMING UP.

YOU NEED TO PROBABLY REPLACE IT. AT THAT POINT, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THERE'S NO REASON TO SAVE SALVAGING IT.

SO THEN WE'RE HERE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, TWO ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, ONE FOR SEWER PLANT AND ONE FOR WATER PLANT.

ONE. THE PRICE TAG ON EACH VEHICLE WILL BE 75000.

THAT IS FULLY EQUIPPED AND READY TO ROLL AND HIT THE ROAD, THE STREET TO TAKE CARE OF MAINTENANCE.

MR. BENFIELD? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. I KNOW LAST YEAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WERE NEEDING A FEW VEHICLES, AND AFTER WE RAN THE NUMBERS, IT JUST SEEMED TO BE SO MUCH MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO DO KIND OF A RENTAL PROGRAM THROUGH ENTERPRISE.

AND IN THE END, I THINK THEY ENDED UP WITH MAYBE SIX VEHICLES AND ENDED UP SAVING YEAR OVER YEAR, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. IS THERE ANY COST BENEFITS OF DOING THAT SIMILARLY WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT ON THESE TRUCKS? NO, SIR. THAT WAS INVESTIGATED. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH ENTERPRISE AND JUST THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SAVINGS 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

I'M LIKE, ANY SAVINGS NOW, NOT 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO THERE WAS NO BENEFIT. I MEAN, IT LOOKED PRETTY ON PAPER WHEN WE STARTED DIGGING IN.

IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK SOMETHING THAT WE. I KNOW CHIEF SUPPLIED US WITH A LIST OF VEHICLES.

HOW MANY VEHICLES DOES PUBLIC WORKS HAVE? 78.

AND THEY'RE ALL ASSIGNED TO AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE ASSIGNED BY BY DEPARTMENT.

HOWEVER, FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSE, MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVER TAKES CARE OF THE VEHICLE.

THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO ONE PERSON, BUT ANYBODY ON THAT DEPARTMENT OR PUBLIC CAN GRAB IT, WHICH IT HAPPENS.

DO THEY? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO TAKE THOSE HOME? THEY ARE, BUT THEY DON'T. OKAY. WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

THERE ARE FIELD PERSONNEL DOES NOT. SUPERINTENDENTS AND SUPERVISORS CAN.

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WE FINISHED THAT PRACTICE LAST YEAR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE GO AGAIN, CONTINUE TO PLAN OPERATIONS. WE TOUCHING ON THE GOLF BALL RENOVATIONS.

WELL, ACTUALLY, LET ME BACKTRACK. WE'LL DO GOLF FOR REPAIRS.

SO DURING THE TANK EVALUATION, I WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE HOLES ON THE TOP OF THE TANK THAT NEED TO BE PATCHED.

A COUPLE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AT THE AT THE ACCESS HATCH, THE LADDER SAFETY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT PRICE TAG COMES AT 40, 47,000. THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT GETS APPROVED.

SECOND TO THAT THE IS THE GOLF FOR RENOVATIONS, WHICH IS MEANING PAINTING, SANDING, BLASTING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING OUTSIDE.

SO WE WERE TOLD BY THE CONTRACTORS AS MAYBE COUNCIL MIGHT BE AWARE THAT THERE'S A CIP PROJECT TO REMOVE GOLF BALL AND INSTALL A NEW ONE.

BUT WE, WE, WE REACH OUT TO CONTRACTORS TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US AN ASSESSMENT OF THIS GOLF BALL.

AND THEY SAY WITH THIS MAINTENANCE, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY GET 20 MORE YEARS OUT OF IT. SO THAT'S THE AVENUE WE REACHED.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

AND THAT'S THE FIELD, THE AVENUE THAT STAFF FEELS THAT WE SHOULD GO.

SO THE CONTRACTOR DID GIVE US SOME TYPE OF, I GUESS, SAVINGS IF WE WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU BULK THEM TOGETHER THERE IS NO MOBILIZATION CHARGE AND ANY KIND OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH COMING BACK TO DO A JOB.

THE AMOUNTS IN HERE ARE STILL ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND THE BEST PRICE POSSIBLE.

SO WE ARE STILL REACHING OUT TO CONTRACTORS AND TRYING TO GET MORE BIDS.

SO I DIDN'T WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT FOR OUT OF FAIRNESS WITH OTHER CONTRACTORS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, BUT I JUST AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.

SO IF IF WE DID THE GOLF BALL REPAIRS, WOULD WE ALSO DO THE RENOVATION OR IS THE RENOVATION A SUPERSET? AND IF WE DO THE RENOVATION, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE REPAIRS.

THE RENOVATION CAN WAIT. THE REPAIRS SHOULD NOT WAIT.

OKAY, BUT IF WE DID THE RENOVATION, THAT WOULD NOT COVER THE REPAIR NEEDS.

THAT WOULD CORRECT TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS I SEE.

OKAY. AND AND SAME THING IS TRUE WITH THE VIKING TANK.

SO HOWEVER, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH BIDS AND EVERYTHING. WE CAN POTENTIALLY REACH SOME TYPE OF DEAL WITH THE CONTRACTOR, BE LIKE, HEY, MAYBE THE HOPE WAS MAYBE IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED NEXT YEAR.

MAYBE IT WON'T. YOU NEVER KNOW. BUT DO DO THE REPAIRS NOW.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL DO THE RENOVATIONS LATER THAT YOU BE THE CONTRACTOR.

THE GRANTED CONTRACTOR. YEAH. FOR ME, IT'S A TIME VALUE OF MONEY KIND OF QUESTION.

RIGHT. SO IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE THIS YEAR AND WE JUST DO THE REPAIRS, DOES THAT MEAN OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WE END UP SPENDING MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING NOW? SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS IT A SMARTER INVESTMENT IN A FIVE YEAR PICTURE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE RENOVATIONS, OR WE CAN PUT IT OFF AND IT ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE FIVE YEAR COST, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT THE SAME. CAN YOU MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS ON THAT? PROBABLY MORE. IT'LL PROBABLY PRICES ARE GOING HIGH.

THEY THEY WILL TRY TO TAG ANY TYPE OF TAX OR ANYTHING.

YOU KNOW THAT NATURE ON THE PRICE TAG. SO IT WILL PROBABLY GO UP. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE BY BY NOT DOING THE RENOVATIONS.

NOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE WILL BE MATERIAL DETERIORATION, WHICH WILL MAKE IT A BIGGER PROJECT A YEAR FROM NOW.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT. DON'T KNOW. I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT. MR. HALL, JUST A QUESTION OF. SHOULDN'T THERE BE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE DONE ON ON ON THE THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GOLF BALL, THAT KIND OF STORAGE THING TO PREVENT DETERIORATION.

SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T IT BE CLEANED AND REPAINTED OR WHATEVER ON A, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? AND NOT JUST WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A HOLE IN IT TO REPAIR IT.

YOU'RE RIGHT. IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE. BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE.

I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE JULY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW.

YEAH. SO SO IF IF YOU'RE DOING BUT IF YOU'RE GOING FORWARD, IF YOU DID THAT EVERY YEAR, THEN, THEN THAT WOULD DELAY FURTHER ANY ANY MAJOR REWORK REWORKING OF IT OR POTENTIALLY.

BUT EVENTUALLY THIS TYPE OF RENOVATION AND MAINTENANCE, IT WILL BE NEEDED.

BUT YOU JUST INSTEAD OF BEING AN EMERGENCY, YOU TRY TO CATCH IT BEFORE IT TURNS INTO AN EMERGENCY, WHICH IS IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY, THE REPAIRS, BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO AN EMERGENCY.

SO THE EVACUATION ITSELF OR THE RENOVATION CAME.

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AND THEN THEN WHAT? MR. PRINCE SAID THAT THEN THE MATERIAL WILL BE WORSE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? WELL, I THINK SO.

I JUST HOPEFULLY YOU DO THAT ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF IT.

AND SO DELAYS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH. TC REQUIRES AN EVALUATION EVERY YEAR. SO THAT WE DO THAT.

THEY EVALUATE A CONTRACTOR AND EVALUATE THE TANKS AND GIVE US A REPORT AND.

YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM EARNEST I NEED TO GET TO 2032 BECAUSE IN 2032 WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO BREATHE. SO WITH THESE REPAIRS AND WITH THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, IT RECOGNIZE OTHER THINGS COULD HAPPEN. DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET TO 2032? THE REPAIRS NOW. OKAY. THE RENOVATIONS POTENTIALLY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW. FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK IN AN EMAIL I HAD WITH VICTOR AND YOU ARE ON IT, I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE UNENCUMBERED AMOUNT OF THIS 2024 C-O BOND.

AND HE TOLD ME, I THINK ABOUT 2.6 MILLION. COULD THESE PROJECTS BE COVERED UNDER THE BOND? I HAVEN'T READ THE LEGALITY BEHIND THE C-O BONDS, BUT I CAN LOOK INTO IT.

THEY'RE PRETTY OPEN ON WATER AND WASTEWATER. OKAY.

BUT I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. BUT WOULD THAT BE.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVER UTILIZE THE SEA OF BONDS THINKING THAT WE HAVE THIS AMOUNT AND WE DON'T, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THE NUMBERS HAVE TO BE RUN.

MAYBE I'LL GET WITH NICOLE AND FIND OUT. OKAY.

AND I THINK THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION FOR BRAD.

SO, YOU KNOW, VICTOR ANSWERS THIS QUESTION FOR ME ABOUT THE CEO BONDS.

I WANT TO SHARE IT WITH ALL OF COUNCIL. HOW CAN I SHARE VICTOR'S ANALYSIS OF THE UNENCUMBERED CEO BONDS WITH OLIVE COUNCIL? WELL, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. I THINK THE BEST ANSWER IS, I MEAN, I WOULD NEED TO READ IT AS WELL. BUT CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO A QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BART WOULD, YOU KNOW, WANT TO WEIGH ON, WEIGH IN ON AS WELL.

BUT IN TERMS OF SHARING THE INFORMATION, THE DISCUSSION BOARD IS THE BEST PLACE TO DO IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT. SO THAT WAS A GOLF BALL. SO THE VIKING TANK, THE SAME, THE SAME SCENARIO.

THE RENOVATIONS COME OUT TO BE 263,850. SAME KIND OF WORK, PAIN INSIDE CODING AND ALL KINDS OF UPKEEP THING THINGS. THE VIKING TANK REPAIRS AGAIN HAS A COUPLE HOLES AT THE TOP.

THE HATCH IS NOT SEALING PROPERLY AND YOU WANT TO REPAIR THOSE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT WATER TO GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF ANIMAL INTRUSION OR ANY OF THAT NATURE.

SO YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE IMMEDIATELY. THE AMOUNT FOR THOSE REPAIRS FOR VIKING TEN AND $25,000.

SO JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. YOU'RE SAYING THESE REPAIRS GOLF BALL AND VIKING TANK IN YOUR VIEW, ARE CRITICAL. WE NEED TO GET THOSE DONE. YES, SIR.

THE RENOVATION FOR GOLF BALL AND VIKING TANK.

WE COULD GET AWAY WITH DEFERRING THAT. JUST NOT TOO LONG, BUT.

YES. MAYOR PRO TEM, PLEASE REDEFINE. NOT TOO LONG.

AND THEN I BELIEVE COUNCILOR VENICE HAS A QUESTION POTENTIALLY FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR VENICE. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

IS, IS THIS THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR OR TWO? AND I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION IS THE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS IN RENOVATION WITH THESE COUNT AS CAPITAL INVESTMENTS? AND AS IF SO, HOW DO WE GET LINE OF SIGHT ON IT IF IT'S NOT ALREADY? I DON'T HAVE THE FIVE YEAR CIP IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ON THERE.

SO WE KEEP LINE OF SIGHT ON IT AND MAKE SURE THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND BECAUSE AND I BRING IT UP JUST BECAUSE I'M, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NEWER THAN SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE TO THE WHOLE WATER WASTEWATER.

BUT OUR GOLF BALL TANK WAS OUR REDUNDANCY THAT WE NEEDED FOR ONE OF OUR WATER PIPE BREAKS THAT OCCURRED SOME MONTHS AGO.

WE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE GOLF BALL TANK. SO EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FUNDING THERE.

AND IT WAS LIKE THE RETIRE AND MAYBE PUT A NEW ONE UP THAT THAT THING STILL COOKING.

SO I THINK WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP BOTH OF THOSE TANKS, VIKING TANK OBVIOUSLY NEEDS A LOT OF WORK TOO.

SO WHAT'S LEADING TO THESE HOLES IN THE TANKS? THE CHLORINE FUMES. YEAH. IS THERE SOMETHING MORE PREVENTATIVE OR SOMETHING BETTER THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE ON THE LINING THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS? NOT ON THE LINING, BUT ON THE VENTS.

ON THE VENTS. AND WE'RE DOING THAT? YES, SIR. AND SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REPAIRS.

REPAIRS? YES. SO TO ME, VANESSA, YOU MENTIONED BEING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

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MR. PRINCE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT.

AGAIN, THE STAFF EVALUATION WAS TO BRING THE REPAIRS FIRST AND THEN.

BUT WE WERE DIRECTED TO DO JUST DO A PACKAGE, GET US EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE. ON THE PAINTING SIDE OF IT.

AARON DARLING HAD OFFERED TO WANT TO BID ON PAINTING THESE.

IS THAT AN OPTION? IS CAN SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST AN ARTIST PAINT THE OUTSIDE OF THESE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE BY ONE OF THESE FIRMS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS? YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW REGULATIONS ON THE PAINTING AND THE COATING.

IT'S A THING WHERE LIKE WE WOULD DO THE REGULAR PAINTING AND COATING.

AND IF THEY WANTED TO BEAUTIFY IT, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITION ON TOP OF IT.

YES. OKAY. AND THEN DOES LV ISD PAY FOR THE LOGO ON THEIRS TO REACH INTO IT? BUT THERE WAS NO PRICE INCREASE IF WE JUST KEEP THE SAME LOGO.

BUT IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A COST ASSOCIATED.

OKAY. QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. I SEE THE HAND IS STILL RAISED.

IS THAT FROM BEFORE? OKAY. NEXT. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES ALL MY PACKAGES.

I HOPE I ANSWERED QUESTIONS. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT.

IT'S QUITE A TEDIOUS AND A LOT TO THINK OF, ESPECIALLY IN A SHORT TIME. BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ANY QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY HELP YOU MAKE THE DECISION.

DID YOU COVER THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER? WAS THAT ONE OF THEM? NO, THAT WAS NOT. BUT I CAN TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH.

I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I HAD SENT SSGR A QUESTION ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS PUT IN FOR AN ENGINEER PUBLIC WORKS, AND HE'S AN ENGINEER. WE KNOW WE NEED SOME SORT OF ENGINEER.

I DON'T HAVE A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TWO DO DIFFERENTLY.

AND IF THERE ARE ENGINEERS OUT THERE THAT OVERLAP, I DID SSGR HIS RESPONSE TO ME WAS, IS YES, THEY CAN DO TWO SEPARATE THINGS. HE SAID THAT YOU COULD HAVE ENGINEERS THAT DO OVERLAP, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF WORK, HE SAID. HIS SUGGESTION WAS THEY COULD PROVIDE US AN INTERIM ENGINEER THAT CAN COVER SOME OF BOTH IF THE WORKLOAD ISN'T IMMENSE AND WHILE HE'S HELPING US CATCH UP, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CATCHING UP, HE WOULD GIVE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO STRUCTURE IT GOING FORWARD.

DOES THAT SOUND IN LINE WITH SOMETHING YOU THINK COULD WORK, OR DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF A BACKLOG THAT YOU NEED A DEDICATED PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER? WE DO HAVE A BACKLOG TO TELL YOU WHAT'S A BACKLOG RIGHT NOW WOULD BE HARD, BUT I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE ITEMS AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE STREET, THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, THE CIP MANAGER DOING ALL THE WORK, EVERYTHING ON HIS OWN AND DOING THE ASSESSMENTS AND ALL THAT.

YES, WE, THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS HELP OR DIRECT SUPERINTENDENTS HELP.

BUT HE'S HE'S TACKLING EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE FIELD AND EVERYTHING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FILTERS FOR THE EFFLUENT, THAT COULD BE A THING THAT HE COULD BE DOING, KIND OF DESIGNING IT FOR US INSTEAD OF WAITING AND PULL IT OUT WHEN WE DESIGNED THE WATER LINES AND THE WATER MODEL AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO IN-HOUSE. WE ARE VERY HESITANT TO OUTSOURCE IT BECAUSE THE FIRMS DON'T KNOW OUR SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHY THINGS GET MISSED.

SO HAVING SOMEBODY IN-HOUSE THAT IS TRAINED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO THINGS IS VERY BENEFICIAL.

POTENTIALLY CAN HELP DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. AN ENGINEER THAT WILL FOCUS ON WATER AND WASTEWATER HYDRAULICS AND ALL THAT, SO MANY DIFFERENT IS LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS THAT IS LOOKING AT DRAINAGES.

THERE'S A STORM DRAIN. MAYBE ROADS CAN OVERLAP WITH UTILITIES, BUT THE DIFFERENT SCOPES, I THINK JUST SOME OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER IS A HIGH PRIORITY.

WE DID HAVE AN ENGINEER POSITION LISTED WAS THE JOB DESCRIPTION.

A COMBINATION OF THE TWO AND IF SO, IS THAT WHY WE HAD SUCH A POOR RESPONSE ON THAT, OR DO WE HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO THAT? AND I THINK YOU HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON MAYBE SALARY ISSUES.

YES. SO THE SALARY THAT WAS ON THAT JOB DESCRIPTION WAS WAY BELOW.

THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY ANY IT MAKES. IT'S A TRAINING ENGINEER.

THAT'S WHAT THEY MAKE NOWADAYS. A ENGINEER IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS WHAT THEY WILL MAKE.

KIND OF LIKE A FRESH ENGINEER, BUT YOU KNOW, A SEASONED ENGINEER WON'T BE MAKING THAT PROBABLY MAKING MORE.

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BUT I DO RECALL SAYING THAT I NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND I WILL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS PUT ON IT. I THINK RON HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS FOR SURE.

I'LL LOOK INTO IT. ALL RIGHT. NICOLE, DO YOU KNOW THE.

I THINK I'M GONNA SET UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

OKAY. AT THE TIME, WHATEVER THEY DID, SINCE IT HASN'T GAINED ANY TRACTION, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST GIVE DIRECTION TO PULL THAT POSTING DOWN UNTIL OR STILL GETS A CHANCE TO DESIGN IT THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE.

OKAY. CHIEF. YEAH. SO READING, READING THE POSTING THIS IS THE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER.

IT'S TALKING ABOUT PERMITTING PROCESSES, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, COMPLIANCE WITH ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

THIS LOOKS LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER, NOT A CROSS BETWEEN THE TWO.

YEAH. AND IT WAS IT WAS A 90 TO 95 000 MY RECOLLECTION OF CHARLES WAS THERE WAS JUST MINIMAL INTEREST FROM IT. OKAY, WELL, NOW WE KNOW WHY.

ALL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

YEAH. AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK UP FOR COUNCIL IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A SEAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM. SO MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THE ENGINEER THAT WAS EFFECTIVELY THE WAY THAT THE POSTING WAS, WAS IT WAS MORE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AND PART OF THAT EQUATION WAS OUR MANDATE TO GET OUR, IS IT THE IMPACT FEES OR SOMETHING? WE'RE ON A DEADLINE. WE'D HAVE THE CAICAIC GILLIAN.

WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. YEAH.

BRAD, WE WERE UNDER A MANDATE FOR REGULATORY TO BE ABLE TO THERE'S SOME FEES THAT WE HAVE TO REASSESS EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH THE IMPACT FEE ANALYSIS, AND THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE CIC.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT WE WE ESTABLISHED THE CIC AND THAT MEANT A PART OF THE OBLIGATION. BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE ANY FURTHER.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A MEETING YET. RIGHT. MY MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT WE NEEDED AN ENGINEER TO BE ABLE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT TOO.

AND SO THAT COULD BE DONE INTERNALLY RATHER THAN AN EXTERNAL CONTRACT.

BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THAT. BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER JUST A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF TIMING AS TO WHEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF THE EQUATION.

IF SDR HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN BE HEAVY LIFTING OR ON PUBLIC WORKS, ALTHOUGH I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT ENGINEERS THAT WE HAVE ON CONTRACT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL TO GET US THROUGH THIS INITIAL BACKLOG WOULD BE PRUDENT, BUT WITH AN EYE THAT WE CAN'T PROLONG TOO MUCH IN TERMS OF A KNOWLEDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SIDE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A UPCOMING OBLIGATION THAT WE NEED TO VET FOR THE IMPACT FEES.

SO THERE YOU GO. THAT WAS JUST A STATEMENT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. REAL QUICK I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER.

I'M UNFAIRLY ASKING GILLIAN IF SHE WOULD POP IN HERE, BUT COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA.

YOU'RE ON MUTE. YEAH. ONE SECOND. I WAS WORKING ON THIS LITTLE BITTY LITTLE BITTY LAPTOP.

I WAS GOING TO JUST ECHO WHAT WHAT CHIEF JOY WAS SAYING THAT POSTING WAS, WAS FOR, DEFINITELY FOR DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES.

AND IT IS 100,000 BELOW THE GOING RATE FOR ENGINEERS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE LOW INTEREST. REALLY THAT IS AN APPRENTICESHIP OR A INTERN POSITION.

NORMALLY THEY COME IN AND TRAIN ALONGSIDE A SEASONED ENGINEER FOR THAT RATE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT HAVE ANY INTEREST. OKAY.

THIS IS WHERE AGAIN, I WAS GOING TO ASK JILLIAN TO COME UP UNFAIRLY.

AND I'LL GIVE THE CAVEAT. JORDAN WAS OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR.

SHE'S NOT HERE. SHE HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN YOUR DECISION PACKAGE.

I AM NOT ASKING JILLIAN TO DEFEND OR EVEN GIVE THE IN DEPTH DETAILS OF ANY OF THIS.

I'M SIMPLY ASKING. SHE'S THE ONLY ONE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES I WAS AWARE OF IS IN THE BUILDING.

AND I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT. FROM YOUR DAY TO DAY JOB OF WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER, AN ENGINEERING INSPECTOR, A PLAN REVIEWER, A PROGRAM SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FUND, AND A VEHICLE FOR ENGINEERING? NO SIR. WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS A SEASONED BUILDING OFFICIAL,

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ENGINEERING IS LOW ON OUR LIST. WE DISCUSSED THAT ON THURSDAY AND WE ALL MADE THAT DECISION AS A DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND DWAYNE, I ASSUME I SAW A HEAD NOD BACK THERE IN AGREEMENT.

YOU'RE YOU'RE WANTING THAT INSPECTOR? YES, SIR.

I THINK I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A BUILDING OFFICIAL.

OBVIOUSLY, NUMBER ONE IS, WOULD BE A DIRECTOR, BUT WITHOUT A DIRECTOR, BUILDING OFFICIAL IS CRITICAL.

OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE THING. AND THE RATE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS TOO LOW.

OKAY. WHAT'S THE RATE. IT'S AT IT'S JUST ABOVE SIX FIGURE.

OKAY. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE GOING RATE IS OR I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH ON IT, BUT. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS CLOSE ENOUGH.

THERE YOU GO. I'M A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN HER.

I'M NOT POSITIVE ON WHAT THE GOING RATE IS. I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH ON IT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY LOW.

OKAY. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR PULLING YOU GUYS INTO THIS SITUATION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN. I DON'T EVER HAVE A DAY TO DAY INSIGHT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO I RELY ON Y'ALL. Y'ALL ASKING. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH, CHIEF. SO, DWAYNE OF THE THREE POSITIONS THAT ARE POSTED, ENGINEER, ENGINEERING INSPECTOR, AND PLAN REVIEWER, ARE ANY OF THOSE ACCURATE ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR OR IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? NO NO NO. A BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD, LIKE JILLIAN SAID, WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP DO THE PLAN, REVIEWS, INSPECTIONS AND ALSO TAKE CARE OF ALL TYPES OF BUILDING OFFICIAL TYPE WORK.

SO WHICH ONE OF THOSE TWO JOB TITLES IS IT CLOSELY RESEMBLE THE PLAN REVIEWER OR THE ENGINEERING INSPECTOR? NEITHER. NEITHER PLAN REVIEWER WOULD FALL UNDER IT.

BUT THE ENGINEERING INSPECTOR? NO, THE ENGINEERING INSPECTOR.

CHIEF, YOU ACTUALLY REMINDED ME PART OF IT. THE REASON THAT SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.

THE ENGINEER WOULD HELP TO DESIGN THOSE AND HELP TO KIND OF GUIDE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR DRAINAGE AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.

WE RIGHT NOW, THIRD PARTY, ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE PLAN REVIEWS.

SO, SO THE JOB TITLE YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A BUILDING BUILDING OFFICIAL.

BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHICH IS A LINE ITEM UNDER THE DEPARTMENT.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS MAYBE WE DON'T NEED A DECISION PACKAGE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE.

WE JUST NEED TO FILL THAT BUILDING OFFICIAL POSITION THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AS AS A GROUP, AS A TEAM. THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. MR. STEWART, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR PORTION BEFORE YOU GO TO THE CIP? SURE. MR. STEWART HAD SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AND YOU HAD DONATED TIME FROM LORI DICK. THESE ARE FOR THE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE.

THERE'S ONE FOR EACH, INCLUDING COUNCILOR VAN NESS.

I SEE THE ELECTRONIC HAND IS RAISED. IS THAT A NEW ONE OR FROM BEFORE? NO. I'M SORRY. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. OKAY. SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD.

OKAY. SO AS FAR AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLES, WE HAD A CRITERIA.

IF THAT VEHICLE HAS HIT 150 K, THAT'S P E CALL TO REPLACE A VEHICLE.

AND THEY DID IT BASED UPON STUDIES. ANY TRUCK THAT HE HAS THAT'S AT 150 K IS AT THE END OF ITS LIFE.

IT IS UNREPAIRABLE. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THE CIP STUFF, BUT SO THE WATER WASTEWATER MODELS I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT WE DID HAVE A WATER MODEL THAT WAS COMPLETED THAT I FIELD TESTED AT 20 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

IT WAS ACCURATE TO WITHIN 2 POUNDS. THE CITY IS STILL IN POSSESSION OF IT.

THE ENGINEER WHO CREATED IT CREATED THE ELEVATION MODEL.

HE'S CAPABLE OF, OF DEVELOPING THE WASTEWATER MODEL USING THE ELEVATION DATA FROM THE WATER MODEL ON THE THE. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO DO CIP ON THE TYPE ONE FILTER THAT NEEDS TO BE GOING FORWARD. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

NOW IT'S A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE T C, Q DISCHARGE REQUIRES A PAGE AND A HALF LETTER FROM AN ENGINEER, A SINGLE PAGE DRAWING OF HOW IT'S BEING INSTALLED IN ABOUT NINE PAGES OF CHEMICAL PARAMETERS THAT WILL BE MEETING,

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YOU CAN PUT IT ON ORDER. IN THE MEANTIME, I LOCATED SOME Y FILTERS WITH WHERE YOU WOULD INTERCEPT THE. AND YOU COULD DO THIS WITH YOUR TEMPORARY ENGINEER.

YOU CUT INTO THE TEN INCH PIPE, YOU PUT A TEN INCH T IN, AND YOU PUT TWO EIGHT INCH Y STRAINERS SIDE BY SIDE, AND THEN BRING THEM BACK AND PUT THEM BACK TO THE PIPE WITH A VALVE ON EITHER SIDE.

THESE THINGS WOULD COLLECT 100% OF THE PLASTIC GOING INTO THE PONDS AND INTO THE SPRINKLER HEADS IMMEDIATELY.

THEY COULD BE PURCHASED ON SITE WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

PRIVATE CONTRACTOR WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO INSTALL IT.

THE TOTAL PRICE TAG CONTRACTED OUT TURNKEY WOULD BE LESS THAN 15 K.

AND YOU STILL HAVE MONEY IN YOUR GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION.

BUT THIS WOULD BUY YOU TIME TO ORDER THE TYPE ONE FILTER.

GET THE EIGHT MONTH LEAD TIME AND BE FULLY ASSURED THAT THERE'S ZERO PLASTIC LEAVING.

SO SOMEWHERE OR OTHER THAT NEEDS TO GO IN THE BUDGET ARE YOU JUST NEED TO PULL IT OUT OF THE CIP PROGRAM PROJECT THAT ADAM'S RUNNING.

I'LL SEND YOU THE, THE DATE ON IT. IT'S IT'S STANDARD IRRIGATION STUFF STRAIGHT OFF THE SHELF.

ALL IT TAKES IS SOMEBODY TO PUT IT IN. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MANUALLY CLEANED.

I TALKED TO A MEMBER ON THE GOLF COURSE COMMISSION AND HE SAID IF IT WAS AN ISSUE, THEN THE GOLF COURSE SHOULD CLEAN THE SCREENS DAILY BECAUSE THEY'D BE SURE TO CLEAN THEM BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ONES PICKING THE PLASTIC OUT OF THE SPRINKLER HEADS. IS IT A SCREEN OR A DISC FILTER? IT'S ACTUALLY A Y STRAINER SCREEN. YOU UNSCREW THE NUT, YOU PULL THE SCREEN OUT, YOU CLEAN IT, YOU PUT IT. IT'S A BASKET SCREEN, BUT THERE'S NOT DISCS INSIDE.

NO, IT'S JUST THE SCREEN. IT'S JUST A WIDE SCREEN.

IT'S LIKE A STAINLESS STEEL. IT'S METAL. I MEAN, IT COULD BE.

IT'S A STAINLESS STEEL SCREEN IN A METAL BODY, RIGHT.

BUT THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT LIKE 12 TO $2400 APIECE, DEPENDING ON HOW FANCY YOU WANT TO GO.

I KNOW YOU'VE INSTALLED THEM BECAUSE THE ONES I'M LOOKING AT ARE FROM IRRIGATION COMPANY.

CAN I ASK A PROCESS QUESTION? SO THIS FEELS LIKE AN ENGINEERING DISCUSSION, NOT A BUDGET DISCUSSION.

SOME OF US HAVE HISTORY OF BEING ENGINEERS, BUT WE'RE NOT.

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB FOR THE CITY. HAVE YOU RUN ALL THESE THINGS BY STAFF ALREADY? ARE THEY IN AGREEMENT WITH THESE THINGS, DISAGREEMENT WITH THESE THINGS, OR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE SEEING THEM? I'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY I DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION IN UNTIL YESTERDAY.

OKAY. I MEAN, THE CONCEPT OF DOING A MECHANICAL SCREENING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO, DAVE, IS, RATHER THAN YOU WALKING COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE DETAILS OF ALL OF YOUR IDEAS, WHICH ARE GREAT. I'M INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE? ARE YOU SAYING THE CITY NEEDS TO SPEND 15 K EITHER FROM THE BUDGET OR FROM, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE ITEM.

YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LONG LIST OF THINGS. A LOT OF THIS IS JUST CIP.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, ARE YOUR IDEAS JUST ADDING UP TO A VERY SMALL INVESTMENT AND YOU JUST, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER INVESTMENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS MY SUGGESTION COUNCIL IS RATHER THAN US GOING THROUGH DETAILS HERE THAT THAT DAVE SYNC UP WITH STAFF AND THEN STAFF WOULD EITHER RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, DAVE'S RIGHT ON AND WE AGREE AND WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS OR HERE'S WHERE WE DISAGREE. AND AND YOU KNOW, THEN STAFF MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT COUNCIL'S JOB TO LISTEN TO YOUR ENGINEERING JUSTIFICATION I'LL GET YOU AND AND AND DECIDE WHETHER TO DO IT OR NOT.

THAT'S THAT'S OUR STAFF'S JOB. OKAY. WELL, THAT THE OTHER PART OF THIS PROCESS, RIGHT, IS IF I JUST WANT TO TURN ON THE THREE MINUTE CITIZEN COMMENTS, I CAN WE CAN DO THAT.

AND YOU CAN RUN THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS IN THE THREE MINUTES. WELL, YOU WERE GIVEN AN EXTRA THREE MINUTES. SO YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. DO YOU WANT TO USE ALL SIX MINUTES AND JUST READ THROUGH IT, OR DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW AS MR. PRINCE? PART OF THIS GOES LATER ON. SOME I DON'T REALLY READ EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE.

YOU GUYS CAN READ IT AND YOU CAN REACH BACK AND QUESTION ME.

SO THE REPAIRS THAT HE TALKED TO ABOUT THE GOLF BALL AND THE VIKING TANK ARE 100% ON, YOU DO NEED TO PATCH THE TANK.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE TOP OF THE GOLF BALL, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND 4 OR 5 PLATES ALREADY WHERE WE'VE ALREADY WELDED HOLES.

NOW, BOTH OF THOSE GUYS ARE COATED WITH 100 MILS OF EPOXY INSIDE, AND THERE'S NO COATING DAMAGE BELOW THE WATER LINE.

WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE IS THAT YOU GUYS PUT RADIOS ON TOP OF THOSE TANKS, AND THEY PROVIDE AN ELECTROMAGNETIC CIRCUIT IN THE GOLF BALL, WHICH HAS HAD THE TRAVIS COUNTY AND POLICE RADIO FOREVER.

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THE LAST TIME IT WAS REPLACED WAS PROBABLY WHEN I GAVE THE ORDER.

THE SACRIFICIAL ANODE JUST KEEPS GETTING SHORTER AND SHORTER, AND IT EATS ALL THE ELECTRICAL CHARGE UP UNTIL IT'S GONE.

WHEN THE SACRIFICIAL ANODE IS GONE, THEN IT EATS THE TANK.

THOSE HOLES IN YOUR TANKS ARE FROM THE SACRIFICIAL, FROM THE CATHODIC PROTECTION NEEDING SERVICING.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN THE BUDGET AS PART OF HIS EMERGENCY REPAIR IS TO PUT THE REPAIR, THE CATHODIC PROTECTION IN THE GOLF BALL. AND AT THE TIME WE HAD NO RADIOS ON THE VIKING TANK, BUT THEY PUT RADIO ANTENNAS ON THE VIKING TANK WITHOUT CATHODIC PROTECTION.

THERE'S NO WAY WITHIN AN EPOXY INTERIOR THAT YOU THAT THE CHLORINE GAS COULD GET AT THE METAL.

IT WOULD EAT THE VENTS, BUT NOT THE METAL. THE HOLES IN THE VIKING TANK ARE COMING FROM THE RADIO ANTENNAS AND THE LACK OF CATHODIC PROTECTION.

SO THAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU DID SAY THERE'S ANODES ON THE TANKS RIGHT NOW, NOT ON THE VIKING, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD WE WERE NEVER PUTTING RADIOS ON IT BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO JUST USE THE HOLLOWS TANK, AND THEN THEY PUT RADIOS ON IT BECAUSE THEY HAD A HOLE.

YEAH. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THERE WOULD BE GASES EATING AWAY IF IT WAS LINED WITH THAT 100 MIL.

AND TO YOUR POINT, IT HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF ELECTROLYSIS.

YEAH IT IS. IT'S A THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE ANODES AND WE HAD IT ON A REGULAR CYCLE AT EVERY FIVE YEARS THEY CAME OUT AND THEY SERVICED ANODE SYSTEM AND THEY REPLACED THEM.

I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK ANYBODY OTHER THAN ME KNEW THEY WERE THERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO EAT HOLES. SO BUT THE THAT WHAT THE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU IS THAT YOU CAN RECOAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE TANKS.

YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY RECODE THE INSIDE. YOU JUST NEED TO PATCH WHERE YOU WELDED AND MAYBE A COUPLE OTHER AREAS.

SO THE COST TO GO DOWN. AND IF I WAS TO DO THIS JOB, I'D DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 25,000 TO $40,000 MOVE ON, MOVE OFF FEE. IT'S GOING TO BE OUT HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE TANKS ONLY AND PATCH THE INSIDE.

AND I WOULDN'T WAIT ON PUTTING THOSE PLATES ON, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THAT PROCESS? IS THAT WORTH LOOKING INTO? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GET WITH YOU ON THAT.

I MEAN, SORRY ABOUT THE OVERENGINEERING, BUT AND WHEN WE DO THE THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WE HIRED GULF COAST PAINTING TO COME OUT HERE AND PAINT THE GOLF BALL.

THE GOLF. THE PAINTING FAILED IN 15 MONTHS. THEY DID NOT WARRANTY THE WORK.

WE HAD TO HIRE ANOTHER COMPANY TO COME OUT HERE AND PAINTING.

AND WE MADE A DECISION NEVER, EVER TO HIRE GULF COAST PAINTING OUT HERE AGAIN.

AND I HOPE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING THE BID NUMBERS.

AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIKING TANK, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IT WAS IT'S STRIPED BECAUSE THEY ROLLED THE PAINT ON.

WHEN THEY ROLLED THE PAINT ON, THEY DID NOT GET THEIR TEN MILS.

SO WE NEED TO SPRAY PAINT THOSE TANKS NOW, THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND HAS THEIR CONTRACT WHERE INSTEAD OF TEN MILS, WHICH IS WHAT THE PAINTERS LIKE TO PUT ON, WHICH WILL LAST FROM 13 TO 15 YEARS.

CITY OF AUSTIN REQUIRES A 20 MIL COAT AND THEY GET 30 YEARS OUT OF THEIR TANKS.

THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE SECOND PAINTING SANDBLASTING, THEY JUST PAY A LITTLE BIT FOR EXTRA PAINT.

SO I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS AN ADD ON TO THIS PAINT JOB.

HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THESE TANKS CAN'T WAIT OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ALLEGIANCE TANK.

THANK YOU. NEXT I WAS ASKED CHIEF TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DECISION PACKAGE ITEMS. CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ERNESTO'S? I'M PROBABLY YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL CAN APPRECIATE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO A JOB WITHOUT THE RIGHT TOOL. YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE A PAINTER OR RUNNING AN EXCAVATOR OR A BACKHOE.

I HATE TRYING TO DO A JOB AND NOT HAVE THE RIGHT SCREWDRIVER, YOU KNOW? AND SO I'M VERY EMPATHETIC TO YOUR REQUESTS HERE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON A JOB SITE AND I NEED THAT ATTACHMENT.

I NEED THAT SKID STEER, I NEED THAT BACKHOE, I NEED THAT ATTACHMENT TO DO MY JOB.

WHAT I'VE ALSO HEARD TODAY IS THINGS ON YOUR BUDGET.

SAY, YES, THIS COULD WAIT. AND NO, THIS COULD NOT WAIT.

AND WE'RE KIND OF AT A DISADVANTAGE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING SO LATE INTO THIS BUDGET AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO SCRUTINIZE EVERY EVERYTHING.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER, IF IT WAS IF I WAS IN YOUR POSITION, IS IF YOU JUST CAME TO US AND SAID,

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I NEED THIS ATTACHMENT. I DON'T NEED THIS ONE HERE. IT CAN WAIT, BUT I DO NEED TO MAKE THIS REPAIR AND THIS IS WHAT I NEED.

YOU HAVE MY 100% SUPPORT ON WHATEVER THAT IS.

THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT, I THINK OF US TRYING TO SAVE THE 5% IS NOT THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS TO BE 5% LESS.

IT'S THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO JUSTIFY GOING ABOVE THAT 5%, RIGHT? AND SO AS PEOPLE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS, THEY SAY, HEY, CAN THIS WAIT? IN SOME CASES, YOU SAID, YES, THIS CAN WAIT. AND THEN IN OTHER CASES, YOU'RE LIKE, NO, I DON'T THINK THIS CAN WAIT.

RIGHT? I THINK WHAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, THIS IS MY BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ON HERE I NEED, AND THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED TO GET MY JOB DONE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

AND ANYTHING I NEED NEXT YEAR, I'LL ASK FOR IT NEXT YEAR.

AND IF THAT WAS PRESENTED, YOU HAVE MY 100% SUPPORT, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE.

WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, AND THIS IS LOOKING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AFFORDED THIS OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR, IS I DON'T WANT THESE THINGS JUST COMING UP DURING BUDGET SEASON.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING US MONTHLY REPORTS, BUT I THINK THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO GET BETTER DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT IN THOSE REPORTS.

AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT I WANTED, THOSE REPORTS I WANT TO KNOW IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. HEY, THIS ISSUE POPPED UP. COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A BACKHOE.

I'M TRYING TO GET TO ALL THESE STREETS, BUT I JUST HAD TO DO 60 HOURS OF OVERTIME THIS WEEK AND WE DIDN'T GET THE PROJECT DONE BECAUSE I'M UNDERSTAFFED.

THAT'S THE ACTUAL REPORTS THAT I THINK THAT HELPS COUNCIL.

AND THEN THAT LEADS TO US NOT HAVING TO HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS AT BUDGET TIME.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT. AND TO HIS POINT, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE. AND I THINK ALL STAFF HAVE BEEN PUT IN SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFICULT POSITION DURING THIS BUDGET SEASON, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

JUST FROM A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE, I WENT BACK INTO THE SPREADSHEET AND I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IN THE UTILITY FUND.

COUNCIL. SO THE THE REVENUE THAT'S IN THE SPREADSHEET RIGHT NOW FOR UTILITY FUND IS $9.687 MILLION.

THE EXPENSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SPREADSHEET WITHOUT ANY OF THIS DECISION PACKAGE IS 8.58.

SO IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY 1.1 MILLION MORE REVENUE THAN EXPENSES IN THE UTILITY FUND.

AND THEN I WAS JUST KEEPING A TALLY DOING MY LITTLE SPREADSHEET ON THE SIDE HERE.

AND SO THE THINGS THAT ARE THE, THESE, THESE REALLY CAPITAL ASSETS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS AND SKID STEERS AND ALL THAT.

AND TO, AND I'M, I'M, I'M EXCLUDING THE, THE RENOVATIONS FOR THE GOLF BALL AND THE VIKING TANK RENOVATION BECAUSE YOU SAID WE COULD PUT THOSE OFF, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, NOT PERSONNEL.

EVERYTHING ELSE ADDS TO 560,000 OF THE 1.1 MILLION.

THE THE RENOVATIONS ON THE TANKS WOULD ADD TO ANOTHER $429,000.

AND THEN THE PERSONNEL THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE ON HERE, I THINK ADD TO 330.

SO IF, IF, IF THE TWO GOLF BALL AND VIKING TANK RENOVATIONS WERE DELAYED AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THIS LIST WAS APPROVED FOR UTILITY FUND, THAT ADDS TO ABOUT 900,000.

SO STILL YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE GOOD SIDE OF A BALANCED BUDGET FOR UTILITY FUND.

AND SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AND I SAY, WELL, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE FROM INVESTMENT AND EFFICIENCY.

YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I THINK YOU LAY OUT A GOOD IF WE CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ON COUNCIL, IF WE HAVE MORE DATA, WE'RE AT A SPACE WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION NOW.

WE CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL OF THAT DATA TO ROLL IN.

SO I'M KIND OF INCLINED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DELAY THE RENOVATIONS ON THOSE TWO TANKS, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S PASSIONATE ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO, TO MAKE A CASE FOR IT HERE.

AND SO I'M INCLINED TO SAY, YES, NOT CREATE A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW BARRIERS FOR, FOR HIM TO, TO GO ON. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY SUMMARY THINKING YOU'RE JUST TALKING TO THE UTILITY FUND THINGS THAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT THAT ALL ADDED UP TO THAT WASN'T INCLUDING ANY OF THE STUFF WE'RE GETTING GET INTO GENERAL FUND IS A DIFFERENT STORY.

THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE IS ABOVE EXPENSES RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S IT'S LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT IT HERE ON MY NOTES.

IT'S ABOUT 100 AND $130,000. ON THE GOOD SIDE FOR GENERAL FUNDS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND $1 MILLION WORTH OF SPACE IN THAT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE COME UP WITH MORE THAN $130,000 OF THINGS THAT WE AGREE STAFF SHOULD DO, THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF RESERVES OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW FIND MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE TAXES FURTHER THAN ARE IN THE IN THE IN THE PACKAGE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. MAYOR. AND TO, TO GIVE COUNCIL A LITTLE PEACE OF MIND AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE GIVE OUR YEAR PLAN.

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WELL, LAST YEAR WE SPENT REPAIRING THINGS, SO THIS YEAR WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO START CREATING THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT.

WE ALREADY STARTED EVALUATING EACH FACILITY WITH COMPONENTS AND ALL THAT TO CREATE THAT LIST. SO WE KNOW BETTER WHAT REPAIRS NEED TO COME UP WHEN THEY NEED TO COME UP.

SO THAT HAS BEEN WORKED BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DIRECTION COUNCIL GAVE US AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR. SO THAT DID GET ACCOMPLISHED. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST ISSUE.

THE FIRST GOAL WAS TO GET PUBLIC WORKS STAFFED.

WE DID. WE'RE FULLY STAFFED NOW. WE'RE WORKING ON STAFF RETENTION AND GETTING ALL THOSE PROJECTS SO THAT COUNCIL HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE STAND INFRASTRUCTURE WISE AND WHAT WE NEED MOVING FORWARD. SO YEAH, THANK YOU NICOLE.

ON THE STAFFING NEEDS. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PUBLIC STREET DEPARTMENT, THOUGH, CORRECT? YES. FOR THE REQUEST. YES. YEAH. THOSE LISTED GENERAL FUND.

GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR PRINCE. BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR TAKING COUNCIL DIRECTION AND MAKING PROGRESS.

I THINK TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE KNOW Y'ALL ARE DOING GREAT THINGS.

WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION BACK. AND SO THAT REALLY DOES HELP AT THIS TIME.

I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF IT LOOKED LIKE UTILITY FUND WAS DOING PRETTY WELL.

GENERAL FUND, THOUGH, WERE HAVING TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT, WHAT I WOULD CALL OUR RECURRING EXPENSES.

SO A LITTLE BIT MORE EVALUATION NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE OVER THE LONG TERM TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF OUR, BECAUSE I THINK AT THIS POINT IF WE WERE TO ADD ALL OF THE STAFFING, ETC., I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY, WE MAY END UP EXCEEDING THE REVENUE PART. AND SO THEN YOU ARE NOW UTILIZING RESERVES FOR RECURRING EXPENSES AND THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. I CONCUR.

I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD. YOU NEED TOOLS. THANKS, I APPRECIATE IT.

BASED ON NICOLE'S POINT THAT SHE JUST MADE. SO THE 135,000 WAS FOR THE TWO STREETS PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD BE GENERAL FUNDS. IN THE NUMBERS I WAS QUOTING EARLIER THERE.

I DID INCLUDE THE 195 000 FOR THE ENGINEER, RIGHT? SO BACKING UP $560,000 WORTH OF CAPITAL ASSETS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND 195 FOR THE ENGINEER. THAT WOULD ADD TO A TOTAL OF ABOUT ABOUT 755,000.

I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PACKAGES, BUT JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, I DID, I DID A REEVALUATION OF PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET AND THERE IS ESSENTIALLY SOME SAVINGS OR PACKAGE REMOVAL CREATED THAT HAVE THE BASE BUDGET AND HAVE ADDITIONAL PACKAGES.

IT'S JUST NOT BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SHORT TIME. AND I DIDN'T WE DIDN'T WANT TO THROW ALL THE CHANGES OUT, BUT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY FIND MORE SAVINGS IN PUBLIC WORKS.

SO BY SEPTEMBER 3RD YOU'LL HAVE THOSE TO US. I CAN HAVE IT BY TOMORROW.

TOMORROW. EVEN BETTER PACKAGES TO TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF ACTION FROM NOT ACTION, ACTION FROM COUNCIL, BUT CONSENSUS ARE THERE FOR THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT MR. PRINCE HAS SAID, THAT ON THESE UTILITY FUND ITEMS, ARE YOU GUYS INCLINED TO GO FORWARD WITH IT? I SEE THREE HEADS NODDING AND FOUR. OKAY. SO THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT.

SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, COUNCIL DIRECTIONS TO GIVE A LIST OF PRIORITIES AND SAY THIS I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THESE.

I NEED THEM NOW. AND TO GIVE THE PACKAGES THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS THAT YOUR NEW PACKAGES, WHAT JUST GOT CONSENSUS ON IS THE DECISION PACKAGES HERE IN THE UTILITY FUND THAT ARE NOT THE RENOVATIONS.

WE'RE JUST ESSENTIALLY APPROVED. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL WORK ON THOSE ONES.

CONSIDER THOSE TO BE INCLUDED. RIGHT. AND THEN WE TO BE EXPLICIT, THE TWO PERSONNEL FOR STREET DEPARTMENT ARE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT CONSENSUS APPROVAL BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND DISCUSSION YET.

BUT THE ENGINEER. THE ENGINEER IS OKAY. THANK YOU.

BUT YEAH, THOSE OTHER NEW ONES THAT YOU SAID, YOU'RE COMING WITH US.

TO US. OKAY. OKAY. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE OVER TO GENERAL FUND DISCUSSION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO SIMILAR TO WHAT I DID FOR THE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE I'D LIKE TO LAY ALL THREE DECISION PACKAGES OUT AND THEN GIVE YOU A POTENTIAL SOLUTION, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS, BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS IT.

LET ME START WITH THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. SO WE HAVE TECHNICALLY FOUR CAMPUSES.

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WE STARTED WITH ONE, AND EVERY YEAR WE'VE ADDED A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

THEY'VE HAD A PRIVATE SECURITY GUARD AT THE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL UP UNTIL THIS YEAR.

SO SINCE I HAVE A VACANCY ON THE PD, WE WENT AHEAD AND HIRED A POLICE OFFICER AND HE'S ALREADY WORKING AT THE INTERMEDIATE CAMPUS NOW.

SO SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ARE REQUIRED TO PUT AN ARMED OFFICER AT EACH CAMPUS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THAT INCREMENTALLY.

THIS IS JUST THE LAST PHASE OF IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ASKED ME WAS EXACTLY HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST US THE CITY? SO THE SCHOOL PLAYS 71.5% OF THE FUNDING FOR SALARY AND BENEFITS.

AND SO WHAT'S LEFT OVER IS APPROXIMATELY $43,000 COST TO THE CITY FOR A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

AND THAT'S PRIMARILY THE OVERTIME, THE UNIFORMS, THE EQUIPMENT WE BUY THEM.

THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VEHICLE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A VEHICLE FOR HIM. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BUY A VEHICLE FOR THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

SO THE, THE, THE ACTUAL COST IS 43,000 TO THE CITY FOR THIS PACKAGE.

THE NEXT OFFICER IS ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER. SO WE, WE HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT A ANIMAL CONTROL SOLUTION.

JUST LIKE A LOT OF AGENCIES, THAT INCLUDES OUR PARTNER IN JONESTOWN RIGHT NOW, OUR OFFICERS ARE DOING ANIMAL CONTROL AND MOST OF THEM ARE ARE WOEFULLY UNPREPARED TO DO THAT. UNTRAINED. SO HAVING A FULLY CERTIFIED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER DOES SEVERAL THINGS FOR US.

ONE, IT GIVES US TO THE CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING WITH THOSE ANIMALS AND WITH ANIMAL CONTROL RELATED EVENTS. SO WHEN WE HAVE A DOG BITE, FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'VE HANDLED THIS SOME OF THESE INCIDENCES, WE COULD HAVE DONE A LOT BETTER HAD WE HAD A CERTIFIED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER.

WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND TRY TO FIX SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

SO HAVING AN EXPERT ON STAFF THAT KNOWS ALL THESE LAWS THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF COMPLICATED.

THIS PERSON WHAT'S OUR VISION OF THIS IS THAT THIS PERSON WOULD SERVE PRIMARILY IN THE DAYTIME.

THAT'S WHEN MOST OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE.

OR DAYTIME AND A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN A LOT OF OUR CALLS ARE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL.

AND SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT THIS OFFICER'S CERTIFICATION BY ALSO MAKING THEM SRO SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER CERTIFIED. AND SO IF WE HAD LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN OFFICER THAT'S LEFT THE SCHOOL, THE HIGH SCHOOL OFFICER TOOK A JOB IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT THAT FROM PATROL TO KEEP SOMEONE ON THE, ON THE CAMPUS.

IF WE HAD THIS DEDICATED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER AND WE HAD AND A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER GETS SICK IS OUT FOR A DAY, GO TO COURT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEN THIS ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER COULD STEP IN THERE. HE'S ALREADY CERTIFIED TO WORK IN THE SCHOOL. THAT WOULD BE AN EASY WIN FOR US AS A CITY. WOULDN'T TAKE A REGULAR PATROL OFFICER OFF AN EASY WIN FOR THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT PACKAGE.

CHIEF, IF I MAY JUST. I THINK YOU JUST SAID IT, BUT INSIDE THE PACKAGE, YOU'VE GOT SOME READ NOTES ON THE SRO WITH THE BOTTOM LINE COST OF THE CITY BEING 43 K, IN THIS CASE, THE ANIMAL CONTROL, NO SCHOOL CONTRIBUTIONS.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE TO THE CITY IS THE FULL 155 K.

IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IN HERE IS A VEHICLE.

WE ALREADY HAVE A VEHICLE IN MIND FOR THIS PERSON.

OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN TRYING TO SHARE VEHICLES AND AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS AN OVERTIME PROJECT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I GOT HERE WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU RECRUIT AND RETAIN OFFICERS? EVERYONE ACROSS THE NATION, NOT JUST IN TEXAS, IS HAVING TROUBLE ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO OUR OCCUPATION.

AND SO IT'S EASY TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO PAY US, PAY OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, TEN, 10 TO $12,000 MORE A YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY DOES.

AND OVERTIME PROJECT, WHICH I IMPLEMENTED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, IS A WAY OF GIVING THEM COMPENSATION, BUT IT ALSO BENEFITS THE CITY BECAUSE WE BUILD IN TEN HOURS OF OVERTIME EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR THEM TO WORK EXTRA.

AND SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU EQUATE THAT OUT, IF WE WERE FULLY STAFFED AND YOU HAD TEN HOURS OF OVERTIME EVERY TWO WEEKS, THAT NUMBER EQUATES TO AN ACTUAL FULL TIME EMPLOYEE.

OVER THE, OVER THE YEAR, THAT DOESN'T COST YOU ALL THOSE BENEFITS.

AND SO OVERTIME PACKAGE IS VERY LUCRATIVE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND IT'S SO LUCRATIVE THAT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL DO THIS.

FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY WORK AN AVERAGE OF TEN HOURS OF OVERTIME A WEEK.

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THAT'S WHAT YOUR FBI DOES. THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THEM DO.

AND THE SAME THING FOR THE HIGHWAY PATROL. THEY WORK A TEN HOUR OVERTIME A WEEK.

THEY WORK A 50 HOUR WEEK FOR THE SAME REASON YOU GET THE EXTRA HOURS ON PATROL AND YOU ALSO.

AND IT DOESN'T COST YOU AN EXTRA BENEFIT PACKAGE FOR THAT PERSON, EXTRA CAR AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES WITH IT.

SO OUT OF MY VACANT SALARY MONEY, I IMPLEMENTED THIS OVERTIME PROJECT ALREADY AND WE'RE USING THAT TO FUND IT.

AND WHAT THIS PACKAGE EQUATES TO IS THE OVERTIME PACKAGE FOR THE YEAR.

IF WE WERE FULLY FUNDED, IF WE'RE FULLY STAFFED THE ONE CAVEAT FOR THE OVERTIME PACKAGE THERE WAS A REQUEST BY COUNCIL THAT WE LOOK AT A 5% REDUCTION IN OUR BUDGET. AND SO WHEN I DID THE BUDGET AND I TIGHTENED THE BELT AND LOOKED AT SOME THINGS THAT WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED, I FOUND A 6% REDUCTION IN OUR BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS.

AND SO THAT 6% REDUCTION IN THE BUDGET ACTUALLY PAYS FOR THE MONEY THAT THIS COST PER YEAR IF WE'RE FULLY STAFFED.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS WE GET MORE HOURS ON PATROL.

AND, AND IT DOESN'T COST US HIRING AN EXTRA OFFICER.

SO THAT READY FOR ME TO GIVE YOU THE, THE GOOD CAVEAT RIGHT BEFORE, JUST TO RECAP WHERE YOU'RE STOPPING AS FAR AS CONSIDERING AS A DECISION PACKAGE, THIS ISN'T ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YOU'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED IT INTO YOUR BUDGET BASED ON THE PREVIOUS 5%.

SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY APPROVING. WE'RE NOT WE'RE ADDING THIS IN OUR HEAD. I'M NOT ADDING AN EXTRA 200 AND $279,000.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO AS AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF, I WOULD SAY WE NEED ALL THESE THREE.

DO WHAT YOU DID FOR JUST NOW AND JUST SAY WE AGREE AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF.

I WOULD TELL YOU THIS WE NEED IT. AS YOUR ACTING CITY MANAGER, I WOULD TELL YOU THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THIS.

KNOWING WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WILL IS, IS HOW CAN WE PAY FOR THIS TOMORROW? HOW CAN WE GET A HAMBURGER TODAY AND PAY FOR IT TOMORROW? I HAVE FIVE VACANCIES.

I WAS ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE OVERTIME PACKAGE WITH VACANT SALARY MONEY NOW.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS APPROVE THE APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF US CONTINUING THE OVERTIME PROJECT THAT WE'VE GOT NOW.

DON'T APPROVE THIS, DON'T APPROVE THE MONEY. LET ME USE VACANT SALARY MONEY THAT I ALREADY HAVE.

YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN ME SALARY MONEY FOR A FULLY STAFFED DEPARTMENT.

I CAN DO THIS WITH VACANT SALARY MONEY. 43000 FOR THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER CAN COME AT A VACANT SALARY.

MONEY. UNTIL I'M FULLY STAFFED. WHY DO I NEED AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER? WHY DON'T I JUST SEND ONE OF MY CURRENT ONES AND LET THEM GET TRAINED ON IT? AND THEN WHEN I'M FULLY STAFFED, THEN I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH A DECISION PACKAGE FOR WHAT AM I LACKING IF I GET FULLY STAFFED, WHICH CHIEF FRANCO IS WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD ON THIS? HOW CAN WE GET FULLY STAFFED? IF I GET FULLY STAFFED IN SIX MONTHS.

THEN I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH A DECISION, AN AMENDMENT, BUDGET AMENDMENT SAYING THIS IS WHAT I NEED FOR MY OVERTIME, WHAT I NEED FOR MY SRO, WHAT I NEED FOR MY. AND THEN ASK YOU FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER.

AND THEN YOU CAN SAY YES OR NO AT THAT TIME, AND IT WON'T BE 279,000 FOR AN OVERTIME PACKAGE, BECAUSE IT'LL BE SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS, WHATEVER'S LEFT IN THE IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS LET ME USE THE NEW SALARY MONEY TO FUND THESE THREE PACKAGES RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET FULLY STAFFED, BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR.

MR.. RENFIELD, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. I LOVE THE OVERTIME PACKAGE PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT'S THE EXACTLY THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO IT.

I MEAN, IT'S PERFECT. LIKE YOU SAID, SAVE ON ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, THE MEDICAL PTO, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND AND ACTUALLY JUST BENEFIT THE OFFICERS MORE, ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY SO THEY'RE NOT OUT DOING OTHER SIDE JOBS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, SERVING WHERE THEY PROBABLY ARE MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT. SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA. I THINK IT'S FOR ME, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE FOR SURE.

THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, I GET MORE EMAILS ABOUT ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE NEED TO HAVE A DEDICATED OFFICER THAN I PROBABLY AS EQUAL TO, I DO WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN ANIMAL THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT BEAST, IF YOU WILL, YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED FOR DOG BITES AND HOW TO HANDLE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

SO AGAIN, I SUPPORT THAT AND I LOVE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT. I THINK THAT'S SUPER SMART.

ONE THING THAT CHIEF BESHEARS OFTEN TALKED ABOUT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID, BUT EVEN THOUGH THE COST OF THE SR OFFICERS $43,000 A YEAR, HE ACTUALLY ADVOCATED THAT THAT COST WAS ACTUALLY MUCH LOWER BECAUSE THAT SR OFFICER HAD MANY OTHER SIDE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OTHER THAN

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WE GET THOSE OFFICERS BACK OVER THE SUMMER. AND SO DURING THE SUMMER, THAT'S THE TIME THAT THEY SUPPLEMENT PATROL.

AND THAT'S THE TIME WE CAN SEND OFFICERS, PATROL OFFICERS TO TRAINING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT AN SRO THAT'S HELPING US OUT ON PATROL.

SO WE DO BENEFIT FROM THEM. WE ALSO BENEFIT FROM THEM.

ANYTIME THERE'S A DISASTER YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE ON CALL JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

ANY OTHER OFFICER CAN BE CALLED OUT FOR A DISASTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE DO BENEFIT THEM. THEY ALSO BENEFIT OUR CITY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THEIR BENEFIT, BUT IT BENEFITS OUR CITY. THERE'S, THERE'S MANY OVERTIME PROJECTS WHAT WE CALL SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORLD. THERE'S MANY SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT PROJECTS THAT ACTUALLY HELP THE CITY WORKING FOR THE SCHOOL ON FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAMES, YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T HAVE TO ASSIGN A REGULAR DUTY OFFICER TO THAT THE SCHOOL PAYS.

SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT FOR THAT. AND SO THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

THEY'RE OUT THERE IN UNIFORM. THEY'RE HELPING THE CITY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LARGE GATHERING OF OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE AND VISITORS.

AND SAME THING WHEN THEY WHEN THEY VOLUNTEER TO WORK AT THE CLUBHOUSE FOR AN EVENT, IT BENEFITS OUR CITY.

AND SO HAVING EXTRA OFFICERS IN THE POOL THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT IS HELPFUL BECAUSE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS PREDOMINANTLY WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

SO THEY'RE AVAILABLE MORE OFTEN ON THE WEEKENDS THAN A PATROL OFFICER WHO HAS TO WORK SHIFT WORK.

YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE REAL BENEFIT IS, IS THE SCHOOL IS ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR AN OFFICER AND WE END UP PAYING ABOUT $40,000 FOR ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS THAT THE CITY GETS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR. SO I THINK IT'S A REAL A REAL WIN.

I ALSO JUST COMMEND YOU ON SAVING THE 6%. I COMMEND YOU FOR THEN REALLOCATING THAT TO OUT OF THE BOX THINKING.

AND IT'S IT'S REALLY, HONESTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WANTING FROM ANY DIRECTOR OR ANY CHIEF.

IT'S THE KIND OF TRANSPARENCY. AND I THINK. I THINK YOU NAILED IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I SECOND THAT. I REALLY LIKE ACTING CITY MANAGER CHIEF JOY'S RECOMMENDATION.

CONDOLENCES TO CHIEF JOY. COUNCILOR VENICE. YES.

SO ON THE I LOVE THE OVERTIME PACKAGE AND NOT JUST THE WAY YOU'RE FUNDING IT, BUT IT GETS THE OFFICERS DOWN TO NINE HOUR SHIFTS, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT A LOT SAFER FOR THEM.

I HAVE A CONTROL QUESTION ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER.

SO YOU'RE SAYING TO FUND IT NOW FROM THE VACANCIES, BUT IS YOUR INTENTION STILL TO GO OUT AND HIRE AN EXPERIENCED CERTIFIED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER OR GET SOMEONE WITH SOME EXPERIENCE WHO CAN BECOME CERTIFIED? SO YOU GO AHEAD AND FILL THAT POSITION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WHERE WHERE'S CURRENTLY SEEKING OFFICERS ALL THE TIME TO COME AND FILL OUR VACANCIES.

WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT PERSON YET. BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO, THEN WE WOULD OFFER THEM TO TAKE ON THAT, THAT ROLE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE SO SHORTHANDED.

CHIEF FRANCO IS HAVING TO WE, WE WERE GOING, WE WERE WORKING TEN HOUR SHIFTS FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK TO 12 HOUR SHIFTS, WHICH I DON'T LIKE.

THEY'RE UNSAFE, BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SO SHORTHANDED.

SO AS AS WE GET THOSE RIGHT PEOPLE WE'LL TRY TO FILL THAT SEAT WITH THE RIGHT PERSON.

AND I THINK JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, CHIEF FRANCO'S RECRUITING EFFORTS, HE'S GOT AN APPLICANT IN THAT MIGHT FILL THAT SPOT.

AND SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN BECAUSE IT'S HIS, HIS ROLE RIGHT NOW TO FILL.

BUT YES, IF WE, IF WE CAN FIND THAT RIGHT PERSON, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY FILL THAT SPOT.

EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO WORK A REGULAR PATROL SHIFT UNTIL WE GET ENOUGH PEOPLE HIRED FOR THEM TO WORK THAT, THAT, THAT A NINE HOURS, FIVE HOURS, FIVE DAYS A WEEK JOB.

WE WILL DO THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY I HEAR THAT COMPLAINT A LOT.

SO I THINK GETTING THAT FILLED WITH SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCED WILL BE IMPORTANT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T HOLDING OFF ON FUNDING THAT. SO THANK YOU.

AND ON THAT SUBJECT OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL, ONE OF THE OTHER SIDE BENEFITS OF THIS, BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS EITHER.

WE HAVE ENGAGED, WE BEING CHARLES AND I HAVE ENGAGED TRACY HLAVINKA AND PAUL TAYLOR, THE CHIEF IN JONESTOWN, ABOUT IF WE HAD A DEDICATED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, WOULD THEY WANT TO CONTRACT WITH US FOR SOME SERVICES? AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. SO OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED.

THANK YOU. ON THE CONCEPT OF USING UNUSED SALARY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IS, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY STRETCHES BEYOND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE HAD TALKED WITH CHIEF ABOUT.

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AND IF IT'S OVER 10,000, 15,000, 20,000, YOU GOT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND JUST TELL US WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO USE FOR.

I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS TONIGHT AT A LATER TIME? IT'S OWN ORDINANCE. ANY THOUGHTS? TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

OKAY. TONIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I LIKE TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND AND RUNNING TO INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IF WE CAN.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT CHIEF HAD PROPOSED. I THINK I LIKE IT.

IT ISN'T HISTORICALLY WHAT LAGO VISTA HAS DONE, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY IT COULDN'T WORK.

AND I THINK TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THE DIRECTION RIGHT NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE UNUSED SALARY, BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME VACANCIES. AND JUST LET THEM KNOW RIGHT NOW, LIKE WHAT IS THE FLOOR OF WHEN YOU HAVE TO COME TO US OF HOW YOU WANT TO USE IT? AND I THINK COUNCIL COULD PROBABLY PRETTY EASILY DECIDE TONIGHT WHAT THAT IS.

SINCE WE HAD THOSE OFFLINE DISCUSSIONS IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT. AND THERE'S A TWO SIDES TO MY THINKING HERE.

ONE IS I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SEND THE MESSAGE TO STAFF THAT THAT EMPLOYMENT PERSONNEL COSTS CAN BE A SLUSH FUND. RIGHT. BUT THE REALITY IS WHILE I THINK WHAT WE WANT IS WE WANT THE EMPLOYMENT COST TO BE BASED ON EMPLOYEES WE REALLY NEED. AND THE REALITY IS IT'S, IT CAN BE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS.

AND SO YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET BY WITH EMPLOYEES YOU REALLY NEED AND, AND WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO? ONE THING THAT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR TO ME. IT SEEMS LIKE SERVICES COSTS, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE CONTRACT WORKERS COME IN, ALTHOUGH I MIGHT BE THE CONTRACT WOULD CONTRACT IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER TO DO SOMETHING AND WE CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE, DOES THAT SHOW UP IN SERVICES OR IN PERSONNEL AND BENEFITS SERVICES? YEAH. SO GIVEN THAT, I THINK MOVEMENT FROM PERSONNEL, UNSPENT PERSONNEL INTO SERVICES IS A REALLY EASY THING.

I'D BE A LITTLE LESS COMFORTABLE OF, OF, OF GIVING, YOU KNOW, JUST CARTE BLANCHE TO MOVE UNSPENT PERSONNEL INTO, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSETS. RIGHT. BUYING A TRUCK INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING SPENT IT ON AN EMPLOYEE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONE, ONE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS YET.

I HAVEN'T IN MY MIND, HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A FORMULA FOR THAT.

BUT MOVING IT INTO SERVICES MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE MOVING IT INTO OPERATIONS AND AND MAINTENANCE AND MOVING IT INTO ASSETS AND SUPPLIES. DOESN'T SEEM AS LOGICAL TO ME. SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND CHIEF, YOU HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN THIS AND SO.

YEAH. OVER TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY COVERING OVER TIME, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO MOVE MONEY WHICH HAD BEEN ALLOCATED.

SO I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL PERSONALLY SAYING, OH DEPARTMENT HEAD SAID, WELL, I WAS NOT ABLE TO FILL THIS POSITION.

WE HAD $110,000 BUDGETED FOR IT. BUT FOR MY EXISTING EMPLOYEES WHO BUDGETED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM MORE THAN WE BUDGETED FOR THAT PERSON BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING OVERTIME.

SO YES, OVERTIME, WHICH WOULD BE WITHIN PERSONNEL AND BENEFITS.

AND THEN MOVING TO SERVICES IF IT'S CONTRACTED OUT.

SEEMS SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME. AND TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MOVING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING.

SO LIKE IF YOU HAD UNUSED SALARY. CURRENTLY, DEPARTMENT HEADS COULD HAVE OR THE, OR THE, THE CITY MANAGER WAS ABLE TO SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND I AM GOING TO GO BUY AN ASSET OR SUPPLIES OR SOMETHING.

SO WHAT COUNCIL IS DOING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING A RAIN ON THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S MORE TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT.

MISTER BENEFIELD, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? WELL I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I WAS PONDERING, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION. AND SO IT'S ONE THING TO TAKE AND USE MONEY FOR A ONE TIME EXPENSE.

IT WOULD BE HAZARDOUS TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND APPLY IT TO AN ONGOING EXPENSE.

SO TO GIVE SOMEBODY, FOR EXAMPLE, A SALARY INCREASE THAT WOULD BE AN ONGOING EXPENSE WHEN IN FACT YOU MAY NEED THAT POSITION FIELD DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT'S THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT I WOULD ADD.

FOR ME, THIS IS KIND OF A TWO PRONGED QUESTION.

ONE, AS IT APPLIES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE WAY THAT CHIEF JOY PRESENTED IT VERSUS HOW IT COULD BE ANSWERED IN JUST THE GENERAL

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THAT MONEY WAS THEN NOT USED AND THEN REALLOCATED TO ASSETS OR OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A REIN ON. RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT THE SAME THING APPLIES TO THIS EXACT POSITION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN THE SENSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS BEING INTRODUCED TO FUND OVERTIME, AND THERE'S A PROGRAM BEING USED TO FUND A RESOURCE OFFICER AND TO FUND A WHAT WAS THE THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER? AND THEN THE UNUSED FUNDS FROM THE SIX VACANT OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE WHAT'S FUNDING THAT PROGRAM. SO WE'RE GOING INTO THIS KNOWING THAT THAT VERY SCENARIO IS GOING TO HAPPEN UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE THOSE SIX OFFICERS ARE FULFILLED.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, CHIEF JOEY WILL COME BACK AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

RIGHT. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE SCENARIO A, WHICH IS WE'RE GOING INTO THIS KNOWING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, FULL TRANSPARENCY. THIS IS HOW THESE PROGRAMS ARE BEING FUNDED.

AND THEN THIS OTHER SCENARIO, WHICH IS WE HAVE VACANCIES AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO PURCHASE ASSETS, RIGHT? SO IN THE SCENARIO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING, I THINK THERE'S VERY FEW CONTROLS WE PUT INTO PLACE BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO FUND THESE THINGS UTILIZING THAT MECHANISM.

BUT THEN OVER HERE WE SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT MONEY BACK.

YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP BUYING CHAIRS AND DOING WHATEVER YOU WANT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY THAT YOU DIDN'T SPEND TO CONCUR WITH YOU.

WHAT'S HAPPENING THAT WE DO LIKE IS HE'S ASKING FOR PERMISSION.

EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. AND AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS THIS UNFAIR BURDEN IS BEING PUT ON STAFF BECAUSE WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND THEY'RE WORKING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL HARD HOURS AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO COME OVER HERE AND USE THIS SAVED MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE.

RIGHT. AND THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE IS OCCURRING ON THE PROPOSITION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE ANSWER IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS UNUSED MONEY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REINVEST THAT BACK IN OUR EMPLOYEES, AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THIS OVERTIME. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ADDITIONAL ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS ADDITIONAL SR OFFICER. NOW, EVERY SCHOOL HAS AN ARMED, ARMED OFFICER ON DUTY. THAT TO ME, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? SO SCENARIO OVER HERE I DON'T LIKE IT SCENARIO OVER HERE I LOVE IT.

YEAH. CHIEF. SO ON THE ISSUE OF THE AMOUNTS, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN KICKING THAT AROUND BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DEDICATE AN AMOUNT IF YOU SAID, FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU HAVE UNUSED SALARY, IF JUST TALKING ABOUT SALARY MONEY RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE UNUSED SALARY MONEY, THEN DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE CITY MANAGER WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, WITH THE CITY MANAGER APPROVAL CAN MOVE UNUSED SALARY MONEY TO OVERTIME OR CONTRACT SERVICES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN FULFILLED BY HAVING THOSE VACANCIES FILLED.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY NEED A CAP ON THAT.

THAT MOVEMENT FROM SALARY MONEY TO OVERTIME, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.

SALARY MONEY TO SERVICES WOULD REQUIRE A NOTIFICATION IN WRITING TO THIS BODY.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE AWARE OF IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

AND IT COULD BE A ONE TIME NOTIFICATION THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS UNTIL WE FILL THIS OUT, FILL THE, THE EMPLOYEE OR THAT YOU COULD ASK THEM TO DO THAT EVERY MONTH OR WHATEVER, EVERY TIME THEY NEED TO, TO TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS. I THINK IT'S THE, THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT.

SO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE.

YOU NEED SOME TRANSPARENCY. YEAH. I FEEL LIKE I SEE HEADS NODDING ON AN AGREEMENT ON THAT.

SO. OKAY. ON THE PART ABOUT HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY NOTIFY COUNCIL? YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK AT LEAST QUARTERLY, JUST SO WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STAFFING SIDE OF THINGS AND HOW.

AND THEN TO MY POINT, THEN I'D UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OVERTIME IS GOING ON OUT THERE.

AND THEN I REALLY KNOW LIKE, WHAT'S HOW MUCH HOW OVERWORKED OUR STAFF MAYOR PRO TEM I WOULD SAY OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE IS AN ITEM THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MONEY IS BEING MOVED.

WE KNOW SALARIES ARE ONGOING RIGHT THERE RECURRING.

SO THAT'S BASED IN THAT WHAT I WOULD CALL CONSIDER BASE BUDGET.

THE GENERAL FUND IS CLOSE ENOUGH. AND LIKE I SAID RIGHT NOW, I THINK EVEN OVER AT THE MOMENT BUT IF WE TOOK YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT WERE A ONE TIME THAT GOES INTO A RECURRING, THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN AND OR SOMETHING THAT I FEEL DOES MERIT COUNCIL OVERSIGHT BECAUSE TAX RATES, BONDS.

THERE'S A THERE'S FURTHER CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE START GETTING CLOSE TO ALL OF THE EXPENSES ADDING UP TO THE REVENUES AND MORE AND OUR ABILITY TO PAY OUR AD VALOREM BASICALLY RIGHT NOW OUR BONDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE AD VALOREM.

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SO IF WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT MORE BONDS. ET CETERA.

AND WE'VE ALREADY SET UP ALL THESE RECURRING EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS THERE.

I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING VERY OFTEN, BUT I JUST WANTED IT STATED THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE INCREASING ONGOING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATE THAT IT BECOME VISIBLE TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO SET THE PARAMETERS.

AND SO NOW LEAVING SALARY UNUSED SALARIES. NOW GOING INTO THE OTHER LINE ITEMS, WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT THE POLICY TO BE.

AGAIN. CURRENTLY, WE BELIEVE THAT ANY UNUSED FUNDS AND ANY LINE ITEM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN ABLE TO JUST JUGGLE AROUND AND MOVE AROUND.

I THINK WE WANT TO PUT PARAMETERS ON THOSE ONES.

WHAT DO WE WANT THOSE PARAMETERS TO BE? DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME TO US BEFORE THEY DO THAT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE AMOUNT? OR DO YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH AN AMOUNT? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? CAN I CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BRAD, THIS IS FOR YOU.

SO WE WE KNOW FROM THE CHARTER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD THAT THE CHARTER SAYS THE CITY MANAGER HAS AUTHORITY TO MOVE MONEY WITHIN A DEPARTMENT. DO WE AS COUNCIL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TIGHTEN THAT UP AND SAY, YEAH, THE CHARTER SAYS THAT, BUT BEFORE THE CITY MANAGER MOVES MONEY BETWEEN, SAY, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND, AND ASSETS, CAPITAL ASSETS, THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE CANNOT DO BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER LANGUAGE.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT A. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PLACE A LIMIT ON AN INTRA DEPARTMENT TRANSFER BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN. AND WELL, THE LIMIT BEING COUNCIL APPROVAL BECAUSE THE THE CHARTER CLEARLY REQUIRES IT FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT.

AND SO THE INTERPRETATION WOULD BE BECAUSE THAT NEXT SENTENCE LEAVES THAT OUT.

THE ONLY REASONABLE INTERPRETATION IS THAT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL.

AND YOU COULDN'T PUT IT YOU COULDN'T PASS AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE CHARTER WOULD EFFECTIVELY PREVENT THAT.

BUT YOU CAN PUT NOTIFICATION, ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS TIME LIMITS YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THERE, BUT THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT, THE INTRA DEPARTMENT. INTRA DEPARTMENT MOVEMENT COULD NOT BE CONDITIONED UPON COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SO, YOU KNOW, MORE MORE REPORTING, MORE DETAILS, TIME LIMITS.

I'M. TRYING TO THINK IF YOU COULD PUT A LIMIT ON IT.

CAN WE SAY WHEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. LIKE RIGHT NOW IT READS 365 DAYS OUT OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

YOU COULD. CAN WE STATE THAT THOSE AREN'T TO REALLY BE DONE UNTIL Q4? SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN SAY, YEAH, JUST WE HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED PRIOR TO YOU DOING IT OR THE I, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK YOU COULD, YOU PROBABLY CAN YOU PROBABLY CAN DO THAT.

IT'S AN ODD DICHOTOMY BETWEEN THE PROVISIONS.

AND SO IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SORT OF SITS ON ITS OWN AND THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ANALOG THAT I CAN POINT TO AND GO, DEFINITELY YES OR NO. I THINK, I THINK, I THINK YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING SHORT OF MAKING AN INTRA DEPARTMENT TRANSFER DEPENDENT UPON COUNCIL APPROVAL. I THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT.

SO THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, BROAD LATITUDE.

BUT I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE YOU WOULD INTERPRET THAT PROVISION OF THE CHARTER BECAUSE IT WAS PASSED AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S REQUIRED IN THIS INSTANCE AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THIS INSTANCE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE YOU COULD HARMONIZE THOSE TWO PROVISIONS TOGETHER, BUT EVERYTHING SHORT OF APPROVAL, I THINK YOU COULD DO.

YEAH. CHIEF. SO THAT SECOND PART OF THAT PARAGRAPH SAYS IT TALKS ABOUT UNENCUMBERED.

I THINK THE COUNCIL CAN ABSOLUTELY DEFINE WHAT UNENCUMBERED MEANS PUTTING SOME JUSTIFICATION BEFORE THE CITY MANAGER IS ALLOWED TO IDENTIFY THAT SOMETHING IS UNENCUMBERED, THEY MUST JUSTIFY THAT BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

SO I COULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS PLANNING ON BUYING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, BUT NOW I'M NOT GOING TO BUY IT UNTIL THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND TECHNICALLY IT'S UNENCUMBERED. WELL, ALL I'VE DONE IS PUSH IT OFF TO THE NEXT BUDGET.

AND YOU ALL BUDGETED IT TO BE BOUGHT THIS YEAR.

SO YOU COULD, I THINK, SET SOME DEFINITIONS OF WHAT UNENCUMBERED MEANS AND HOW YOU ALL WANT TO BE NOTIFIED.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT, IT SAYS IT MUST THE CITY MANAGER MUST INFORM COUNCIL IN A TIMELY MANNER.

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YOU COULD IDENTIFY WHAT A TIMELY MANNER MEANS TO ANYTHING ELSE.

SO YOU COULD SAY UNENCUMBERED MEANS A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

OR IT COULD MEAN FROM A CERTAIN CATEGORY. YOU COULD SAY TIMELY MEANS IF IT'S FROM THIS CATEGORY TO IF IT'S ANYTHING OUT OF THIS CATEGORY, THEN TIMELY NEEDS TO BE TO THE COUNCIL WITHIN THE VERY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

YOU COULD ALSO USE THE, I THINK YOU COULD USE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU'LL THE CITY MANAGER, WHEN THEY'RE WANTING TO DEFINE WHAT UNENCUMBERED MEANS, NEEDS TO RUN THAT BY THE, THE, THE COUNCIL FINANCE COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN THE STATE LEVEL.

WE RUN IT BY THE LBB, NOT THE ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE BODY.

AND SO I THINK THE UNENCUMBERED AND BRAD KNOWS MORE ABOUT THOSE TWO WORDS THAN I DO.

WHAT YOU COULD DEFINE THEM AS, BUT UNENCUMBERED AND TIMELY MANNER TO ME ARE THE TWO PHRASES THAT GIVE COUNCIL AN AREA TO DEFINE MORE THOROUGHLY.

YEAH, I, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH WITH EVERYTHING CHIEF SAID.

I THINK, I THINK HE'S RIGHT IN THAT YOU, YOU CAN DEFINE YOU KNOW, FUNDS DO NOT BECOME, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, ANY FUNDS, YOU KNOW, STILL UNSPENT AS OF THE END OF Q3 CAN MAY BE CONSIDERED UNENCUMBERED.

AND SO, SO YOU CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT IT YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

THE ONLY THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT I WOULD SAY WAS THAT WITH REGARD TO GETTING ANY FEEDBACK OR DIRECTION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT COULD ONLY BE ADVISORY. YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST I'M JUST THINKING OF TOMA ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT I WOULD THROW IN THERE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CHIEF SAID. BUT I AGREE, I MEAN, UNENCUMBERED FUNDS DO NOT BECOME UNENCUMBERED UNTIL, YOU KNOW, FILL IN THE BLANKS. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT BROAD DISCRETION TO, TO DEFINE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.

PRETTY MUCH. WELL, MY FIRST SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO DEFINE UNENCUMBERED IS FUNDS THAT ARE NOT USED AFTER Q3.

THE, THE ONE AREA THAT I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOSEN A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW DISCRETION FOR THE CITY MANAGER IS IS ENCUMBERED BUT WOULD APPLY TO SPENDING TYPE. SO FOR EXAMPLE YOU KNOW, IF THE DECISION WAS TO, TO BUY A BACKHOE INSTEAD OF A MINI EXCAVATOR, THAT'S STILL AN ASSET.

AND THAT IF IT FITS WITHIN THE OVERALL BUDGET, THEN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER COULD DECIDE.

THEY WOULD STILL REPORT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE UNENCUMBERED.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COME MAYBE THE END OF Q THREE JUST FOR THE ARGUMENT WE'RE HAVING HERE AT THE END OF Q THREE.

THEN MONEY THAT WAS IN THE PERSONNEL BENEFITS COULD BECOME UNENCUMBERED AT THAT POINT, AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MOVE THAT INTO O&M OR SERVICES. YOU KNOW, SERVICES THAT ARE NOT EMPLOYEE RELATED.

SO, SO DEFINE, DEFINE THE ENCUMBERED. THE DEFINITION OF ENCUMBERED WOULD BE A SPENDING CATEGORY, NOT A LINE ITEM. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, IT'S A GOOD DISTINCTION, BECAUSE IF WHEN IT COMES TO GOODS AND SERVICES, IT'S EASY, THAT'S A MORE BINARY ON OFF ENCUMBERED, UNENCUMBERED. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SALARIES, YOU CAN START THE YEAR ENCUMBERED AND THEN SOMEONE QUITS LEAVES OR WHATEVER.

AND THEN THOSE FUNDS SUDDENLY BECOME UNENCUMBERED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, Q1 AND Q3.

SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE SHIFTING NATURE OF SALARY VERSUS YOU KNOW, GOODS OR SERVICES TO WHICH YOU'RE LOCKED IN.

MAYOR PRO TEM. AS I WAS LISTENING, A COUPLE THINGS COME TO MIND.

ONE IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A FINANCE POLICY AND WE BEGAN TO LAY OUT SOME BUDGET POLICIES.

COUNCILOR PRINCE DID A GOOD JOB OF THAT IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT WHAT HE WANTED TO SEE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

I THINK DURING WE'RE STARTING THE DISCUSSION HERE, BUT I THINK ABSOLUTELY PUTTING THIS INFORMATION WITHIN THAT POLICY WOULD BE HELPFUL. RIGHT. I THINK IT COULD BE REVISITED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING A STRATEGIC PLAN TO TALK THIS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, REVISIT, TALK IT THROUGH FURTHER. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS COMING TO MIND TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT REPORTS THAT CAN BE RUN OUT OF FINANCE, BUT I'M THINKING IF THERE IS INDEED A TRANSFER AMOUNT, IS THAT IT GOES FROM TRANSFERRING OUT OF THIS

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YOU MEAN JUST WITHIN EACH INDIVIDUAL BUDGET OR.

YEAH. THIS IS BUDGETED FOR SALARIES AND WE DID A TRANSFER.

IT'S NOW BEING USED FOR THIS. THE TRANSFER OUT OF HERE AND TRANSFER THERE IS THAT IT DOESN'T WHAT I'M TRYING TO TO ASCERTAIN OR CAPABILITIES IN THE SOFTWARE. SO. WELL ONE IF WE WERE TO GO INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND I GO INTO IN CODE AND I SAY, OKAY, THIS WAS SALARIES, NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT OVER HERE.

THAT'S CONSIDERED A BUDGET AMENDMENT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE MINUTES AND ALL OF THAT TO DO IT. BECAUSE WHEN THE AUDITORS COME, THEY SAY, WHAT BUDGET AMENDMENTS WERE APPROVED? WHERE'S ALL YOUR PAPERWORK? SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY OFFICIALLY IN THE BUDGET SAY WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER, YOU KNOW, $10,000 FROM A PERSONNEL LINE INTO OUR SERVICES LINE BECAUSE THEN THAT'S CONSIDERED THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND IT WOULD SKEW OUR NUMBERS.

SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A REPORTING MECHANISM IN THAT INSTANCE.

IF WE'RE TRACKING BY A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE, SAY, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.

WE WOULD RUN THE REPORT FOR THAT LINE ITEM AND SAY, THIS MUCH TIME HAS GONE BY, THAT MUCH MONEY HAS NOT BEEN SPENT.

SO THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE SAVING THERE. AND THEN WHATEVER OTHER ITEM SERVICE CONTRACT YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR THAT.

IN THE MEANWHILE, WE'D HAVE TO COMPARE THE TWO.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION.

LIKE BRAD SAID WAS ABOUT SALARIES. IF WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH A VACANCY AND WE SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TILL THE END OF THIRD QUARTER, THEN THAT'S KIND OF NOT REALLY HELPING THE PURPOSE OF WE IF WE NEED TO STAND IN CONTRACT PERSON.

SO I WOULD SAY IN, IN THOSE WORDINGS, IF Y'ALL COULD JUST MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT IF IT'S SERVICES FOR SALARIES AND WE'RE NEEDING TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR OR A SOFTWARE THAT CAN DO THE PROGRAM FOR US OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SPECIFY THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THAT VACANCY DURING THE TIME THAT WE HAVE IT.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'LL ECHO ON TO THAT.

JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE COMING TO THE ENCUMBRANCE QUESTION, IS WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT 8.07 OF YOUR CHARTER, WHICH THAT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS EVERY APPROPRIATION SHALL LAPSE AT THE CLOSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN EXPENDED OR ENCUMBERED.

HOWEVER THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL, IF IT'S IF IT'S A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, UNLESS IT IS EXPENDED, REVISED OR REPEALED, THEN THAT APPROPRIATION EXPIRES IN THREE YEARS IF THERE HAVE BEEN NO DISBURSEMENTS.

SO YOU NEED TO KEEP ENCUMBERED FUNDS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN THE TWO.

BECAUSE IF IT'S A CAPITAL ENCUMBRANCE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN STICK AROUND FOR THREE YEARS.

CAN I PROPOSE THAT MAYBE THE SUBCOMMITTEE COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF DEFINITION FOR THIS, AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MEETING.

YEAH I'M. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THE OTHER THING I JUST FOR THE RECORD HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OUR ACTUALS OVER THE YEARS DEPARTMENTS ROUTINELY OVERSPEND ON SERVICES AND UNDERSPEND ON O&M.

AND THERE'S NO BUDGET AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THEM SPENDING MORE THAN WAS IN THEIR BUDGET FOR THAT CATEGORY OF SPENDING.

AND, AND FRANKLY, EVEN DEPARTMENTS SOMETIMES OVERSPEND THEIR TOTAL BUDGET WITHOUT A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THAT.

AND SO THIS MAY BE A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

WE COULD EASILY MAKE THIS FAR MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT'S PRACTICAL.

SO WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE AND EFFICIENT AND HAVE THE RIGHT CONTROLS IN PLACE, BUT NOT MAKE IT SO HARD THAT, YOU KNOW EMPLOYEES HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO TO BUY TAPE INSTEAD OF A STAPLER.

YOU KNOW, JUST TO USE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE. OKAY.

COUNCIL CHAVARRIA. OKAY. YEAH. AND THE HAND HAD BEEN UP A WHILE.

I JUST WANTED TO CAUTION. AND I, I'VE KIND OF MADE THIS IN THE COMMENTS ABOUT PUSHING THINGS TO THE THIRD QUARTER.

WHEN I, WHEN I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE UNENCUMBERED FUNDS LEFT AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR AND WE'RE STARTING TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT. AND IF WE LOOK LIKE WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE BUDGET FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A BUDGET DECREASE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THERE'S ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT I WANT TO CALL PET PROJECTS THAT START TO POP UP.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, BUT SOMETIMES THEY GET RUSHED JUST TO MEET THAT BUDGET DEADLINE.

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I ALSO FIND IT VERY ODD THAT WE'RE SAYING THESE OPEN POSITIONS CAN BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER PROJECTS.

SO THESE, THESE EMPLOYMENT FUNDS OR, OR THESE, THESE FUNDS.

I REALLY THINK THAT, THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR IT MOVING, I MEAN, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL IN MY OPINION.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SALARY AND THEN MOVING IT OVER TO SAY MAINTENANCE OR IMPROVEMENTS YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OR SUPPLIES, I THINK, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE REEL THAT IN ON IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME SORT OF POLICY DECISION ON, ON THAT.

THANK YOU. SO I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL GET TOGETHER AND WE'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING.

GREG, WERE YOU HERE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT OR ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR A GENERAL? THE GOLF COURSE ITEMS. I'M JUST HERE TO BE HERE ALL WEEKEND. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING OVER WHAT'S LEFT IN THE DECISION PACKAGE.

SO BEFORE I WENT TO STAND IN IT, THERE WAS A PARKS AND REC.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHO WOULD COVER THE PARKS AND REC. I'M A GOLF PROFESSIONAL NOW.

PICKLEBALL. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS. OH. I'M SORRY.

YEAH. THE PICKLEBALL RESURFACING AND STRIPING WAS IN THE BASE BUDGET.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL IDENTIFIED IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

PULLED IT OUT AND PUT IT IN HERE AS A DECISION PACKAGE.

BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ OF IT AND TALKED TO DAVID ABOUT IT, IT'S THERE'S UNEVEN SURFACES, SO IT'S POTENTIALLY A LIABILITY IF SOMEONE WERE TO TRIP AND GET INJURED.

AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF THE CRACKS IN THE SURFACE, THE INSECT CONTROL IS, IS AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DO.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN REASONS HE WAS WANTING TO PUT IT IN THE MAIN BUDGET.

BUT NOW IT'S A DECISION PACKAGE. THANK YOU, MR. RENFIELD. MY ONLY FOLLOW UP IS THERE. IT WAS RECENTLY RESURFACED.

IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. AND THAT RESURFACED COMPLETELY FAILED.

AND I KNOW THERE WAS DIRECTION GIVEN TO MR. WICHARD AT THE TIME WHEN HE WAS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, TO GO BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SEE IF THEY WOULD WARRANTY IT, BECAUSE IT WAS VERY NEW BEFORE IT WENT INTO FAILURE.

AND OBVIOUSLY NOTHING EVER CAME FROM THAT. BUT MY, MY, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A FUNCTIONAL PICKLEBALL COURT OVER THERE FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS, BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IS IF WE ARE PUTTING ANOTHER BAND-AID ON IT AND IT FAILS AGAIN.

SO I GUESS THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THIS REPAIR DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST REPAIR SO THAT THIS ONE IS A MORE LONG LASTING. I WOULD SAY IF DAVID MONTGOMERY SCOTT WERE STILL HERE, THAT HE WOULD.

BUT YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN THE EXTRA STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN AGREEMENT IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF IT FAILS IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU GOT TO FIX IT. BUT I'M ASSUMING DAVID PUT THE RIGHT ESTIMATES IN THERE BECAUSE KNOWING DAVID, HE'S REALLY GOOD. YEAH, HE PUT THE RIGHT ESTIMATES IN THERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING TOO.

SO I WOULD ASSUME IT'S THE MONEY THAT HE'S ALLOCATED IS FOR THE NOT A BAND AID.

YEAH. IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

IT NEEDS. AND THE OTHER THING IS A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAY IT.

I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THERE. YOU GO THERE ON ANY GIVEN DAY AND THERE'S TEN, 15, 20 PEOPLE THERE CONSISTENTLY AT THE COURT HAVING A GOOD TIME PLAYING TOURNAMENTS, EXERCISE. SO I DO THINK IT'S A LIABILITY AND I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT GETTING THAT UP TO SPEED.

MAYOR, CAN I WHEN WE. DAVID AND ANDREW GALE, THE PERIODIC CHAIR, AND I HAD REVIEWED HIS BUDGET A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE HE LEFT. AND THIS WAS ONE OF HIS INVESTMENT ITEMS. AND YEAH, HE PLANNED ON DOING AS THE CHIEF SAID DOING A THOROUGH JOB ON WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE ON THE RESURFACING.

I THINK 95,000, MAYBE A LITTLE LOW FOR WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT SIZE COURT, JUST BASED ON WHAT WE USED TO HAVE TO DO FOR THE TENNIS COURTS.

BUT IT DEFINITELY IS NEEDED, AS COUNCILOR BENEFIELD SAID.

AND IT'S HEAVY, HEAVY USAGE OF THOSE COURTS. SO IT'S CERTAINLY A WELL USED AMENITY.

SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE THIS. HE HAD HAD IT AS HIS KIND OF CORE BUDGET REQUEST.

MR. PRINCETON, GOING ON YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT, YOU SAID WE HAD ABOUT 130 GRAND TO PLAY WITH THE GENERAL FUND.

SO IF IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, WE'RE GOING OUT OF RESERVES.

DID I HEAR THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE MATH IS RIGHT NOW.

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WE COULD PULL MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE.

THOSE ARE THE TWO LOGIC. AND OBVIOUSLY WE COULD WE COULD ASK STAFF TO GO FIND OTHER PLACES TO CUT IN ORDER TO, TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE REQUESTS. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US.

OKAY. THANK YOU ERIC. SO I RECENTLY GOT A COUPLE OF QUOTES FOR THE RESURFACING.

ONE CAME IN AT 3000. IT HAD A ONE YEAR WARRANTY AND IT DID FIX THE CRACKS IN THE THE TENNIS COURT.

SO I WASN'T SURE THE EXTENT OF DAVID'S PLAN, WHETHER IT WAS TO REPLACE ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, THE NETS, THE POLES, BUT JUST THE RESURFACING, RESURFACING AND PAINTING ITSELF WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT 30.

AND IT'S A ONE YEAR WARRANTY ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET TO SEE WHATEVER NOTES HE ALREADY MADE.

WELL, NEXT I'LL BE CALLING YOU STAN. SO JUST TO BE READY.

WELL, SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT. WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES EARLIER ABOUT BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THE STATEMENT. IT'S ALREADY IN THE BASE BUDGET.

BUT WHAT I SEE IN THE BASE BUDGET IS ZERO FOR BUILDING OFFICIAL.

BUT THERE IS A NUMBER FOR BUILDING INSPECTOR.

AND, AND SO TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE. THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN BUILDING OFFICIAL AND BUILDING INSPECTOR AND WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE EMPLOYEES WERE REFERRING TO. I DON'T, I DON'T DO WE HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR ON STAFF RIGHT NOW? I'M SORRY TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW. VACANCY FOR BOTH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND BUILDING OFFICIAL ARE VACANT AT THIS POINT.

I THINK WE ONLY HAVE. OKAY. YEAH. ERIC SAYS YEAH.

VACANCIES. WHAT'S THAT? DWAYNE IS A BUILDING INSPECTOR.

OKAY. SO DWAYNE, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.

THERE'S BUDGET MONEY FOR HIS POSITION, BUT THERE IS NOT BUDGET MONEY FOR A BUILDING OFFICIAL IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

IS IN THEIR LAST YEAR. YEAH. SO THAT THAT IS A GAP IN THERE OF WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES EMPLOYEES TOLD US IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO FILL. YEAH.

OKAY. AND I THINK YOU SAID SLIGHTLY OVER SIX FIGURES WAS NOT ENOUGH.

SO WE'RE HAVING TO MAYBE LOOK AT 120. YEAH. OKAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, BUT I DID WANT TO ASK GREG.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS HOPE THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE BACK PATIO AT THE GOLF COURSE.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, I HAPPEN TO BE TALKING TO DUSTIN AND HE HAD LIKE A $35,000 PLAN.

I THINK THE PLAN THAT I SAW AT ONE POINT THAT THE HOPE WAS, WAS A LITTLE MORE ELABORATE 100,000 PLUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THAT ANYWHERE IN OUR BUDGET OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IT? OR HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE REDUCED PLAN THAT DUSTIN CAME UP WITH AND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH IT? SORRY, I'M KIND OF BRINGING THIS UP KIND OF OUT OF NO.

I'M SMILING. GOOD EVENING ALL. SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS.

I'VE. DUSTIN I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT THAT FOR THREE YEARS, BUT I KNOW HE PRESENTED AN AI CREATED THING THAT HE PUT TOGETHER. HE AND I HAVE SPOKEN SINCE THAT AS WELL.

I'VE GOTTEN 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT BIDS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.

SO AS FAR AS GOOD BIDS, I HAVE TWO RIGHT NOW.

THAT'LL BE ON MY SIP LIST FOR 2728 FISCAL YEAR.

I UPPED THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF VARIOUS UNKNOWNS, BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME BIDS ON SPRUCING UP THE BACK OF THE FACILITY, WHICH IS LOOKS OLD AND WORN OUT FROM A TO Z, WHICH WOULD RUN ABOUT 12 GRAND.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE I COULD DO THIS YEAR TO PREPARE IT.

DUSTIN AND I SPOKE LAST WEEK MORE EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS MY VISION FOR THE GRAND OPENING OF LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE IS GOLF SEASON, WHICH IS AROUND MASTERS TIME.

28. THE IRRIGATION PROJECT WON'T BE DONE. I'M PRAYING BEFORE JANUARY

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I'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE BEFORE AND IT GENERALLY TAKES 6 TO 7 MONTHS.

THIS STARTED, WE'LL CALL IT JUNE 1ST. IT WAS THE END OF MAY.

SO IF IT'S DONE BEFORE DECEMBER 1ST THAT'LL BE FANTASTIC.

BUT IT'S TAKEN ONE FULL WEEK TO DO LATERALS ON A SHORTER PAR 418 HOLES.

THAT'S BASICALLY FOUR MONTHS. SO I THINK IT'LL BE DONE GIVE OR TAKE, AROUND DECEMBER 1ST.

AND THEN I'VE ALWAYS SAID ONE FULL YEAR AFTER IRRIGATION IS COMPLETE, THAT'S WHEN I WILL HAVE THE COURSE BREAKING EVEN OR IN THE BLACK. I STILL STAND BY THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE SPRING OF FISCAL YEAR 2728.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, COMING IN AND LOSING SEVEN 800 GRAND AND SEEING 800 GRAND, 900 GRAND PULLED FROM GENERAL FUNDS AND HAVING IT DOWN TO 350 LAST YEAR, AND THEN 150 FOR THE PROPOSED FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL.

AND, YOU KNOW, LOSING RATHER THAN LOSING 6 OR 7, LOSING A COUPLE HUNDRED NOW.

AND NEXT YEAR I EXPECT IT TO BE 101 50. AND THEN 2728 WILL BE EVEN.

AND THEN AFTER THAT SHOULD BE IN THE BLACK THERE ON OUT.

I'M, I'M USED TO INCREASING EBITDA AND REVENUES EVERY YEAR IN THE GOLF BUSINESS.

MY ENTIRE CAREER. SO THIS HAS BEEN DIFFERENT FOR ME.

SO I'M TRYING TO BE AS TIGHT AS I CAN. BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU GO FROM 1700 0 POUNDS AND YOU'RE UP 95%, YOU'VE VIRTUALLY DOUBLED IT. AND WHEN YOUR REVENUES ARE 400 GRAND, AND MY FORECAST AT THE END OF THIS PERIOD IS RIGHT AT A MILLION.

WELL, YOU DON'T SPEND LESS MONEY. YOU'VE GOT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO I'M TRYING TO BE TIGHT. BUT MY CI LIST NEXT YEAR, BE READY FOR IT AND I'LL HAVE IT DONE EARLY BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MY EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR 2728 WHEN IT'S ROLLED OUT AND MARKETED FOR THE REBIRTH OR THE GRAND OPENING OF LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE. SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, DUSTIN, HE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS.

ONE WAS TO SPEND HIS OWN MONEY AND THEN THE CITY PAY HIM BACK IN RENT, WHICH IS, WE'LL CALL IT, THREE GRAND A MONTH, 2850 AND THE OTHER ONE WAS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CITY SPEND IT AND KEEP HIS BASE THE SAME. BUT HIS VISION OF MY VISION, EVEN THOUGH WE BOTH AGREE 100% THAT IT'S NEEDED IN A BAD WAY, I NEED SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A MINIMUM OF 120 PEOPLE THAT'S COVERED IN THAT OUTSIDE AREA.

SO I'VE GOT A METAL PAVILION, WHICH I'VE HAD AT OTHER COURSES THAT'S 30 BY 50 THAT RUNS CURRENTLY ABOUT 60,000. THAT'S PAINT INSTALL A TO Z. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DO AROUND IT.

SO I'M NOT READY FOR THAT. I KNOW HE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE IT, BUT FIRST, THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. BECAUSE MY INQUIRIES FOR EVENTS AND TOURNAMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO START COMING IN NEXT SPRING WHEN PEOPLE START SEEING WHAT WE SAW. AND THE ONLY REASON THIS YEAR HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, I WAS SPOT ON WITH REVENUES.

I THOUGHT WE'D COME IN AROUND 940, 950. WE'RE GOING TO COME IN CLOSER TO A MILLION.

BUT THAT WAS DUE TO GOLF. YOU KNOW THE GREENS WE'VE HAD THERE.

BUT ESTHETICS IS EVERYTHING. AND YOU KNOW I'M BROWNED OUT NOW.

SO YOU'RE YOU'RE PLAYING ON DIRT AND BROWN DORMANT BERMUDA BECAUSE OF MOTHER NATURE AND FEBRUARY THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF JUNE THIS YEAR I HAD GREEN. SO MY ROUNDS WERE UP THIS LAST QUARTER.

I'M HURTING BECAUSE I'VE HAD 35 DAYS OF 100 PLUS AND NO RAIN.

SO MY LAST QUARTER THIS YEAR, HAD IT NOT BEEN A MAJOR HEAT WAVE AND DROUGHT, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE BEEN UP EVEN MORE THAN THE MILLIONS. SO GOLF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND LANDSCAPE BUSINESS.

IT'S DETERMINED SO MUCH FROM MOTHER NATURE. BUT YOU STILL YOU GET IT DOWN TO AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN SCIENCE AFTER DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME.

SO YES, DUSTIN AND I ARE SPEAKING. NO I DON'T, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PREPARED.

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THAT'S ALL I CAN REALLY SAY. SO, MR. BENFIELD, I'LL JUST ADD THAT LITTLE WHATEVER.

YOU KNOW, I PLAYED THE COURSE IN JUNE AFTER ALL THAT RAIN WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS GREEN AND IT WAS JUST FANTASTIC.

I MEAN, THE YOU COULD, YOU COULD HIT OFF THE FAIRWAYS AND, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

AND EVERYBODY JUST KEPT TALKING ABOUT HOW EXCITED THEY WERE BECAUSE I THINK THEY SAW THE VISION OF WHAT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM WAS GOING TO DO TO THE GOLF COURSE ON A LONG TERM BASIS. AND I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE TELL ME THAT, NO, I'M NOT PLAYING THIS YEAR, BUT I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO TO NEXT YEAR.

I THINK YOU'RE A YEAR AWAY FROM REALLY DOING SOMETHING GREAT.

I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING GREAT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ON THE CUSP OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS GREAT FOR OUR EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY GREAT FOR THE GOLF COURSE. YEAH. IT'LL BE 17000 ROUNDS THREE YEARS AGO, 2728.

THERE WILL BE 4000 ROUNDS PLUS. YEAH. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU STAN. AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGE IN HERE, AND PART OF MY COMMENTS ON THE DECISION PACKAGE WAS, WE'VE HEARD A LOT THIS PAST YEAR FROM CHARLES THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF EXPENSES INTO IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW MANY DETAILS. THIS IS SOME FAIRLY BIG EXPENSES AND I SAID I NEED TO HEAR MORE.

AS A COUNCIL, WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE GOING WITH IT? AND SO STAN WAS GOING TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT HE FORESEES FOR THE NEXT FIVE, TEN YEARS, WITH THE CAVEAT, WE LITERALLY GAVE HIM THIS INFORMATION ON FRIDAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THE WEEKEND TO GET US SOMETHING.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THREE DAYS NOTICE.

YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. I AM I'M A LITTLE TIRED FROM WORKING ON THIS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT AS MUCH INFORMATION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS AS CORRECT AS POSSIBLE FROM THE INFORMATION I HAD AVAILABLE TO ME OVER A WEEKEND.

BUT IF YOU'LL HUMOR ME I WOULD LIKE TO, TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

YOU HAD TO KNOW WHERE YOU CAME FROM. AS COUNCIL.

THERE'S ALWAYS A TURNOVER EVERY YEAR, TWO YEARS.

WE'VE HAD DIRECTORS COME AND GO, SO SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THE HISTORY GETS LOST. I BEGAN EMPLOYMENT HERE IN THE CITY IN MARCH OF 2017 AS A DESKTOP SUPPORT TECHNICIAN.

THAT CAME AFTER ABOUT 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN I.T.

INDUSTRY AS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER, DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR.

TECHNOLOGY IS NOT SOMETHING WAS NOT SOMETHING NEW TO ME.

THE REASON WHY I SWITCHED GEARS IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF IT, SO I COULD BECOME INTO GET INTO A POSITION WHERE I BECAME A MANAGER, DIRECTOR, SO FORTH.

MY RESPONSIBILITIES WERE PRIMARILY WORKSTATION SUPPORT.

WHEN I SAY WORKSTATION, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE SETUP AT THE DESK.

ALL THE, ALL THE NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE, SERVER ADMINISTRATION, VENDOR RELATIONSHIPS, CONTRACTS, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND BUDGETING REMAINED UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE IT DIRECTOR AT THE TIME.

I WAS STRICTLY THAT'S ALL I DID. I HAD NO VISIBILITY TO ANYTHING ELSE.

THE GOAL WAS TO BRING ME ON, ASSIST THE IT DIRECTOR, GET ME INTO THE FLOW OF UNDERSTANDING HOW IT SYSTEM HERE AT LARGO WORKED AND WAS DESIGNED.

HOWEVER SHORTLY AFTER OUR LAST OR OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER CAME ON BOARD, THE IT DIRECTOR RETIRED.

THAT WAS JUNE OF LAST YEAR. THIS LEFT ME IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION.

I WAS NOT TRAINED ON OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. I HAD ACCESS TO SOME OF THE SYSTEMS, SO I WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT THAT I WAS FAMILIAR WITH AND, AND ABLE TO PROVIDE MY OWN TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING AND DOCUMENT THE SYSTEM AS BEST I POSSIBLY COULD. I WAS FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THE CONCEPTS OF NETWORKING.

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I BROUGHT MY CONCERNS TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE NETWORK, THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OF THE NETWORK.

THE ADMINISTRATION PROCESSES. THE DIFFICULTY IN THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, BECAUSE IT WAS EXTREMELY COMPLEX, MORE COMPLEX THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. I ALSO DID NOT HAVE ANY BUDGETING EXPERIENCE.

I AM A TECHNICIAN. I AM A TROUBLESHOOTER. I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT.

I DON'T HAVE NEVER HAD VISIBILITY INTO MANAGING THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF A DEPARTMENT BEFORE.

SO I KNOW MY WEAKNESSES. I KNOW WHEN TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE, RESEARCH, AND SO FORTH TO GET ANSWERS.

CITY MANAGER SAID, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I GOT IT UNDER CONTROL.

YOU DO YOUR THING, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THE BUDGET.

WE. THEN WE STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE NETWORK, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, GET SOME. WE WANT TO CALL IT HAVE IT ANALYZED, HAVE NETWORK ENGINEERS COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE ARE HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE, HERE'S MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, HELP US GET US TO THE NEXT STEP.

MAKE THIS EASY FOR US TO DEAL WITH. WE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM NETWORK ENGINEERING COMPANY OR MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER, AND THEY HAD SOME THEY HAD QUITE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS.

CAN I ASK WHO THAT WAS? YES, THE TYLER COMMUNICATIONS.

NOT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES. TYLER COMMUNICATIONS.

BUT THEY ALSO GO BY SYNERGY TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH IS WHO WE HAD AN INVOICE IN HERE FOR THE $150,000 DECISION PACKAGE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS ALSO THE ONES THAT HAVE THAT DID OUR COMPLETE NETWORK REFRESH AND HAS CURRENTLY ONBOARDED AS OUR MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER, WHICH PROVIDES ME WITH A STAFF OF HIGHLY EXPERIENCED, KNOWLEDGEABLE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN ALL AREAS OF IT TO ASSIST ME IN MAKING SURE THAT I MAKE.

I MAKE THE MAGIC WORK HERE AT CITY. WITHOUT THEM, I PROBABLY WOULD BE A SPACE CASE AT THIS POINT.

IT'S BEEN A VERY TRYING YEAR. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A OPERATIONAL STATE, WHICH I FEEL IS EXTREMELY STABLE. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STAYING AWAKE AT NIGHT WAITING FOR THE PHONE CALL, SAYING THAT PD IS DOWN BECAUSE OF A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS AGING OUT, FAILED, AND THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT OR HOW TO GET THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SORRY, I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT HERE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY HERE IS. A COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT OF A NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE, SERVERS AND STORAGE, CYBERSECURITY. NOT THAT IT HAD ANY ISSUES BEFORE, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE.

AND IT'S ALSO THERE'S A LOT MORE COMPONENTS THAT ARE MONITORING OUR SYSTEMS AND MAKING SURE THAT NONE OF THE BAD STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD HAPPENS TO OUR CITY.

USER ACCOUNT ADMINISTRATION IS STILL A CHALLENGE.

MOBILE DEVICE MANAGEMENT, YOUR TABLETS, YOUR HANDHELD DEVICES, YOUR PHONES, THEY'RE NOW ONBOARDED WITH MOBILE DEVICE MANAGEMENT.

IF YOU LOSE YOUR PHONE, I CAN WIPE IT. SOMEONE FINDS IT.

IT'S USELESS TO THEM. SO IT ALSO PROTECTS OUR.

SO THAT HELPS US PROTECT OUR DATA. IN CASE OF A LOSS OF A DEVICE, OUR VOICE OVER IP SYSTEM, OUR INTERNAL SYSTEM. IT HAS IT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY NEW.

WE HAVE A VENDOR WHO MANAGES IT FOR US UNDER A TECHNICAL SUPPORT CONTRACT.

WE HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS ACCESS TO IT 24 OVER SEVEN.

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I HAVE MANAGED TO REDUCE SOME, SOME EXPENSES BECAUSE OUR MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER IS PROVIDING SERVICES THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE LICENSES. THE SOFTWARE WE USED BEFORE IS NO LONGER PAID FOR MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER PROVIDES THAT SERVICE.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IT'S KIND OF A WASH, IF YOU WILL, SOFTWARE LICENSING.

THIS IS A TOUGHIE. OUR MICROSOFT LICENSING IS MANAGED BY THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER.

IT'S WHEN USERS COME ON BOARD. IF WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE AVAILABLE, WE ORDER ONE.

IF SOMEONE LEAVES THAT ACCOUNTS DISABLED, THAT LICENSE IS REMOVED.

SO WE DON'T PAY FOR THE LICENSES. THAT WAS UNLIKE WHAT IT WAS PRIOR.

IF WE BOUGHT, I HAD MY LICENSE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

WE HAD TO BUY A PACK OF FIVE AND WE HAD THEM FOREVER AND WE PAID FOR THEM MONTHLY.

SO IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY PROCUREMENT BECAUSE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, IF WE HAVE ANY NEED FOR IMPLEMENTING OR ACQUIRING TECHNOLOGY, I COULD REACH OUT TO THEM AND GET THEIR, GET THEIR EXPERT OPINION, ADVICE AND ASSISTANCE IN.

IF IT'S PROCURED, THEN IT'S EASY TO GET IT PUT INTO PLACE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ARE AWARE IT'S COMING IN PLACE.

SO TRY TO MAKE TRY TO MAKE THIS A LOT EASIER.

OH. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THIS PRIOR YEAR I WENT THROUGH AND TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES FROM MY BUDGET.

REPORTS. IN OCTOBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR. WE HAD AN EXPENDITURE OF $41,000 FROM GRANICUS, WHICH WAS A REGULATORY EXPENDITURE BECAUSE WE HAD TO IMPLEMENT CLOSED CAPTIONING UP UPGRADE HARDWARE FOR ENCODER DECODER AND AN ANNUAL COST OF OF SOFTWARE, WHICH IS AN AI SYSTEM THAT TRANSLATES AND PROVIDES THAT CLOSED CAPTIONING INFORMATION ON THE SCREEN FOR A COST OF ABOUT $17,000 A YEAR, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION. BLOOM ALL THESE WONDERFUL DEVICES YOU SEE IN HERE IN OUR AUDIO SYSTEM THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS HAS BEEN FIXED. THAT CAME AT A COST OF $51,000.

TO TO PROVIDE PRESENTATION SCREENS, AUDIO MICROPHONES, AND A BRAND NEW AUDIO MIXER THAT WAS 12 YEARS OLD THAT BASICALLY GAVE UP THE GHOST WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS TO OUR NEW SYSTEM, OUR NEW SYSTEM.

THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 31 BUDGET SOFTWARE BY MD S S CAME OUT OF MY BUDGET.

$37,500. TYLER COMMUNICATIONS THE NETWORK REFRESH WAS ABOUT 100, JUST SHY OF $180,000. THAT REFRESHED OUR NETWORK AT OUR IMPORTANT LOCATIONS.

PD CITY HALL, PUBLIC WORKS, ALL THREE LOCATIONS AT PUBLIC WORKS.

CORRECTION. TWO LOCATIONS AT PUBLIC WORKS, GOLF COURSE, AIRPORT AND LIBRARY.

THAT'S PHYSICAL HARDWARE. THAT'S THE PHYSICAL HARDWARE.

THAT IS THE. SO ORIGINALLY, WITHOUT GETTING TOO TECHNICAL ABOUT IT, WE HAD MULTIPLE PHYSICAL NETWORKS.

SO YOU HAD SWITCHES AND CABLES AND MORE SWITCHES AND MORE CABLES TO GET THAT DATA FROM SERVERS TO THE ENDPOINTS.

BUT YOU HAD DIFFERENT TYPES OF NETWORKS GOING ON AT ONE TIME.

PHYSICALLY, THIS SYSTEM, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE NETWORK ROOM, IT'S IN A RACK ABOUT SO BIG WITH JUST A FEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT IN IT AND IT'S ALL MANAGED, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN IDENTIFY, YOU CAN BASICALLY MANAGE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PORTS WITH SPECIFIC TYPES OF TRAFFIC, COMPLETELY SHUTTING THEM OFF FOR ANY TYPE OF OTHER TRAFFIC.

WHICH MAKES SCALABILITY AND RELIABILITY MUCH HIGHER IN, IN ON THE, ON THE SCALE, IF YOU WISH, IF YOU WILL. SO WE HAVE A BRAND NEW NETWORK WE HAVE.

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APPRIZED. THE FACT THAT ALL OF OUR ENDPOINTS OF OUR DESKTOPS WERE NOT WINDOWS 11 COMPLIANT.

SO PRIOR TO THE IT DIRECTOR RETIRING, HE ORDERED ALL BRAND NEW COMPUTERS TO BE REPLACED WITHIN THE CITY.

THAT WAS AWESOME. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP UNTIL AFTER HE LEFT.

AND WINDOWS 10 SUNSETTED IN MID-OCTOBER. THAT GAVE ME A VERY, VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR ME TO GET THOSE DEPLOYED AND BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT WAS A VERY IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT AND TRYING TIME.

SO CHARLES WAS VERY. UNDERSTANDING AND HE KNEW THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAD.

AND THAT'S WHY HE HELPED GET THIS MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER ON BOARD.

IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THEM AND BEEN VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

TIGHTER COMMUNICATIONS ALSO INCURS A MONTHLY FEE.

IT'S THERE'S, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SERVICES.

THERE'S CYBERSECURITY TRAINING. THEY MANAGE OUR OUR DESKTOPS.

24 OVER SEVEN HELP DESK SUPPORT. SO IF A POLICE OFFICER IS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THEIR MDC IN THE MIDDLE EVENING AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, I DON'T GET A PHONE CALL. AN EMAIL GOES OUT TO THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO WILL GIVE GIVE A CALL TO THAT OFFICER WITHIN 15 TO 20 MINUTES. SO IT'S A VERY QUICK RESPONSE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR NICOLE.

I'M LOOKING IN THE, IN THE IT DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

AND THERE IS A LINE ITEM WHICH IS UNDER OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND IT'S CALLED INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

AND LAST YEAR IT WAS BUDGETED FOR 125,000. BUT THE ACTUAL IN HERE, WHICH I THINK IS JUST THROUGH NINE, 6 OR 9 MONTHS, I'M NOT SURE WHICH IT IS, IS WAY ABOVE THAT.

365 THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR IS. YEAR'S 325. IS THAT WHERE THIS TYLER COMMUNICATIONS IS BEING PAID FOR? SO IT'S UNDER OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. YES.

AND SO SO WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE BUDGET A $325,000 LINE ITEM FOR THIS MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER.

THE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THE LINE ITEM 4825 INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WAS $125,000.

THAT'S THE BUDGET THAT WAS STARTING THIS YEAR.

YES. THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN THIS YEAR WAS 125,000 AND THE YEAR TO DATE ACTUALS THAT NICOLE IS SHOWING US 365,000 AGAINST THAT BUDGET OF 125. THE ITEMS THAT I JUST LISTED OFF THAT ALL CAME OUT OF THIS BUDGET THAT NOW MY MY NUMBERS AREN'T MATCHING UP.

I DON'T KNOW, ACCOUNTING, ACCOUNTING NUMBERS AND, AND TECH TECH NUMBERS DON'T NECESSARILY ALIGN.

SO BUT I DID GO THROUGH THE TRANSACTION REPORT AND I PICKED OUT THE BIG NUMBERS THAT I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE, I RECOGNIZED BUT DIDN'T RECOGNIZE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THERE WAS A SO ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO THE WORKSTATIONS.

SO WE HAVE THIS KIND OF GOES INTO MY FIVE YEAR PLAN AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THE, THE DECISION PACKAGE HERE MOMENTARILY.

I'M SORRY. IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN I EXPECTED, BUT IT COMES INTO THE DECISION PACKAGE SINCE WE'RE HERE REAL QUICK.

WHAT IS THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER DO FOR US? WELL, LET ME PULL OUT, I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, THEY GAVE THEY PROVIDE SOME STAFF TO HELP YOU ACTUALLY GO AROUND AND DO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE WORK THEY, THEY HELPED IDENTIFY SOME OF THE ISSUES IN OUR NETWORK.

RIGHT. WELL, THAT, THAT WAS THE INITIAL NETWORK.

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WE CAME IN AND THEY LOOKED AT, THEY LOOKED AND THEY BASICALLY LOOKED BEHIND THE UNDERNEATH THE HOOD, BEHIND THE CURTAINS TO SEE WHAT WE HAD. AND THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO FIX THE NETWORK.

THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER IS AN ONGOING SERVICE.

IT'S A PLATFORM. THEY FOR A SPECIFIC PRICE FOR PER DEVICE PER MONTH.

DO THEY DO REMOTE MONITORING, UPDATING SUPPORT OF COMPUTERS BASED ON HOW MANY COMPUTERS, HOW MANY DEVICES WE HAVE? THEY, THEY DO OPERATING SYSTEM, PATCH MANAGEMENT, ANTIVIRUS MANAGEMENT, DESKTOP OPTIMIZATION, INVENTORY DOCUMENTATION, REMOTE PROBLEM, ISOLATION, AND RESOLUTION.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT IS PUT IN IT GOES UP TO GOES INTO HIGHER DETAIL.

SO TECH TIER ONE TECH SUPPORT GUY GETS A PHONE CALL, CAN'T FIX THE PROBLEM.

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I GET INVOLVED IF I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING HERE LOCALLY.

CENTRALIZED SERVICE REVIEW REPORT REVIEW. BASICALLY, THEY KEEP A BIRD'S EYE VIEW ON ALL OUR SERVERS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING IN A DECENT GOOD PARAMETERS.

AND THE 24 HOUR, 24 OVER SEVEN HELP. HELP DESK, WHICH I THINK IS MY PERSONALLY, MY PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN GOLD BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH ME.

JUST KIDDING. BUT ANYWAY, THEY ALSO DO BACKUP MONITORING OF SERVERS.

THEY DO ADVANCED EMAIL THREAT PROTECTION. SO ALL THOSE QUARANTINE EMAILS, YOU GUYS GET EMAILS GETTING QUARANTINED.

THAT'S WHAT THAT DOES IS IT CHECKS. MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE BAD STUFF THROUGH THE MALWARE, THE VIRUSES, THE SPAM. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN STOPPED.

NOT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN STOPPED BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO SENDING ME REPORTS SO I KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IS GOING ON.

THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE THESE ACRONYMS HERE THAT I, THEY TOLD ME WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE, BUT I CAN'T RECALL WHAT THEY ARE NOW, BUT THEY MONITOR OUR EMAILS FOR ARCHIVING AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING BAD GETS THROUGH. THEY ALSO PROVIDE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN THE CITY THAT HAS AN ACTIVE ACCOUNT.

WE ALSO MANAGE OUR MANAGED SERVER MANAGER. MICROSOFT THREE.

65 ACCOUNTS OR LICENSING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE GET ON A, ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY QUOTED TO BE AROUND $11,000 A MONTH.

WE GET TWO INVOICES A MONTH, ONE FOR THE CITY AND ONE FOR THE PD.

BECAUSE THE TWO DIFFERENT NETWORKS WE HAVE. AND RIGHT NOW, THE LAST.

THE ONE I JUST GOT, I THINK IS AROUND 15,000.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF DEVICES THAT ARE MONITORED.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS. COULD YOU SHARE WITH COUNCIL THE CONTRACT WITH TYLER COMMUNICATIONS AND THEIR STATEMENT OF WORK? ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS IN THE COMING DAYS. WELL, YOU WANT THE THE, THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDERS STATEMENT OF WORK.

WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE. LET ME FIND IT.

SORRY. PUT IT BACK OVER HERE SOMEWHERE. THERE IT IS.

AND WHERE THEY PROCURED THROUGH DERS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING.

I WAS THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PRIOR TO THIS WHOLE EXERCISE THAT WE WENT THROUGH.

WE DID GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT GETTING ON BOARD WITH DIR.

I WILL TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT WAS THE MOST PAINFUL PROCESS I'VE EVER DONE. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND UNDERSTAND.

AND ONCE I GOT ACCESS TO THE PORTAL, I WAS LIKE A KID IN A CANDY STORE.

I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, AND EVERY TIME I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY, I EITHER GOT NO RESPONSE, A SLOW RESPONSE, OR INFORMATION THAT I JUST COULDN'T FATHOM BECAUSE IT JUST WAS SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THEY'RE THE NAMES OF THOSE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AND WHAT THEY DID.

AND IT WAS SO GRANULAR THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE 15 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS JUST TO DO ONE WITH THIS COMPANY.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I CAME FROM THE CORPORATE WORLD BEFORE I CAME HERE.

THINGS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT. I DID WORK FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WITH THE STATE, AND I.

IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY COMPLEX, COMPLEX PROCESS THERE.

SO HOW DID WE COME IN CONTACT WITH TYLER COMMUNICATIONS? HOW DID WE GO OUT WITH AN RFQ? NO. WELL. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE FORMER CITY MANAGER HAD WORKED WITH THESE WITH THIS COMPANY PREVIOUSLY AND AT PREVIOUS CITIES HE HAD WORKED AT, HE HAD A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT JUST REACHED OUT TO HIM.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY VISIBILITY IN HOW HE CAME ACROSS THESE INDIVIDUALS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE HAD WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE.

WHEN I MET THEM AND TALKED TO THEM, I FELT VERY COMFORTABLE.

THEY WERE TALKING MY TALK COUNSELOR VAN NESS HAS HER HAND UP, TOO.

OH. THANK YOU. YES, DAN, I WONDER IF, AS YOU'RE PRESENTING, IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

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WHAT KIND OF CYBER SECURITY PROTECTIONS DO WE HAVE BOTH ON OUR SYSTEMS AND WHAT OUR MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDERS PROVIDING? AND IS THERE ANY IS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO ENHANCE THE SECURITY OF OUR SYSTEMS? OKAY. THE ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS YES, WE DO HAVE AN ON SITE SERVERS.

WE HAVE A HYBRID SYSTEM. WE HAVE A LOCAL ACTIVE DIRECTORY SYSTEM, WHICH WHEN YOU LOG IN, IT VALIDATES YOUR ACCOUNT, MAKE SURE YOU'RE YOU'RE ABLE TO LOG IN. IT ALSO MANAGES SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF YOUR DEVICES.

BUT ALSO WE ALSO HAVE A HIGH CLOUD ADMINISTRATIVE CLOUD SERVICE THAT WILL, THAT DOES KIND OF THE SAME THING. IT'S A DUAL SYSTEM. IT LOCAL AND IN THE CLOUD.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALL LOCAL. IT WAS GOING INTO THE CLOUD.

AND THEN IT BECAME APPARENT THAT IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO GO FULLY IN THE CLOUD.

AND THE PROJECT STOPPED AND IT DIDN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE.

AND WE'VE BEEN STUCK WITH THIS SYSTEM FOR A WHILE.

THERE IS CAPABILITY OF MOVING FULLY INTO THE CLOUD.

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH GOING FULLY INTO CLOUD IS IF WE LOSE INTERNET, WE DON'T WORK, AND THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IF WE LOSE INTERNET. WE DO HAVE CAPABILITY OF ACCESSING FILES LOCALLY AND AUTHENTICATING OUR ACCOUNTS SO WE CAN WORK.

BUT AGAIN, NO INTERNET, NO EMAIL, NO PHONES. SO IT'S A IT'S THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR INTERNET, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS BUSINESS CLASS. SO WE GET VERY, VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, SERVICES.

AND IT'S BEEN VERY STABLE. THE CYBERSECURITY SYSTEMS THAT PROTECT OUR SYSTEMS. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO DIVULGE THAT INFORMATION IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

IT DOES PUT US IN A SECURITY POSTURE. IF, IF ANYBODY HEARS WHAT SYSTEMS WE'RE USING, THEN THAT CAN BE A POTENTIAL SECURITY RISK.

BUT I'D BE MORE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THAT WITH YOU IN A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT VENUE OR A DIFFERENT FORUM.

BUT I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW WELL I DO, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE HAD WE DO HAVE A PART OF IT IS IF ANYBODY TRIES TO LOG IN FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY.

THE SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED THAT IF ANYBODY TRIES TO LOG IN FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY, THEIR ACCOUNT IS IMMEDIATELY LOCKED.

IF IF SOMEONE TRIES TO LOG INTO OUR SYSTEM USING A VPN THAT IS NOT AUTHORIZED, NOT NOT WHEN WE USE FOR OUR PD, IT'S LOCKED BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A POSSIBLE SECURITY RISK.

I THINK THIS HAPPENED TO ME IN AUSTRALIA. YES, IT DID A COUPLE OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS TOO.

AND THEN THEY GET LOCKED. SO WHEN THEY CALL HELP DESK TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, MY ACCOUNT GOT LOCKED.

WELL THEN THEY'RE ADVISED THAT. YES, THAT'S THAT'S BY DESIGN.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT ARE BY DESIGN. SO IF SOMETHING LOOKS WEIRD, LIKE COWS GET LOCKED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S AUTOMATIC, THAT'S OUT OF ANYBODY'S HAND.

IT'S, IT'S, BUT AN EMAIL GOES OUT. I GET AN EMAIL, THE MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER TEAM GETS AN EMAIL AND WHOEVER'S WORKING THAT WILL ACTUALLY SEE AND BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT SITUATION AND TRY TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.

SO IF I CAN KIND OF FAST FORWARD US A LITTLE BIT HERE WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE HAVE A MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER IN YOU AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS DAILY RIGHT NOW IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE SEEING $325,000 TO GO TOWARDS THIS MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER.

I ASSUME THE INTENTION, IF WE ARE LOOKING FIVE YEARS OUT, WE STILL HAVE A MANAGED SERVICE PROVIDER.

THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL. AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THIS DECISION PACKAGE, WE'RE PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE.

IS THAT OUR GOAL TO STAY WITH THAT, OR ARE WE LOOKING TOWARDS CLOUD SERVICES AT ALL? THAT IS THAT'S ALWAYS BEING LOOKED AT. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE IN CLOUD CLOUDS HERE TO STAY.

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I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE STAY A HYBRID SYSTEM. BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IN INDUSTRY TRENDS AND TALK TO OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDER TO PROVIDE BETTER DIRECTION ON THAT.

TO DATE, HAVE THEY GIVEN ANY GUIDANCE ON WHERE THEY THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING, OR HAVE WE ASKED THEM? I HAVEN'T. IT'S BEEN MAINLY BEEN TRYING TO JUST GET US IN A STABLE ENVIRONMENT YOU KNOW, TO WHERE IT'S, I CAN TAKE A STEP BACK AND, YOU KNOW, START LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC SIDE OF THINGS INSTEAD OF BEING REACTIVE.

MISS PRINCE THIS $150,000 THAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE TONIGHT.

YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL OF IT, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT SPECIFIC TO THIS PACKAGE SERVER AND DATA STORAGE REPLACEMENT, WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF THAT? DID THE MSP FOLKS SAY YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO DO THIS? OR DID YOU LOOK AT IT AND SAY YES OR SOMETHING HAS DIED? OR WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? OKAY, SO THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE HAVE IS, IS BASICALLY FIVE NODE SERVER THAT MANAGES OUR, WE HAVE VIRTUAL SERVERS. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE HARDWARE TO MANAGE VIRTUAL SERVERS FOR LOAD BALANCING AND FAILOVER.

SO IF NODE FAILS, THEN IT STARTS MOVING STUFF AROUND TO KEEP THINGS MOVING NICE AND SMOOTH.

PART OF THEIR DISCOVERY AND RECOMMENDATION FOR IMPROVEMENT WAS TO REPLACE THE, THAT, THAT HARDWARE IS AGING OUT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE MANUFACTURER.

AND WE, WE CAN, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT COULD FAIL.

I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO'S EVER WORKED WITH THE COMPUTER, ONE DAY YOU TURN IT ON AND NEXT DAY YOU TURN, TRY TO TURN IT ON. IT DOESN'T WORK. IS THIS IS THIS CLUSTER OF FIVE SERVERS, ALL OF THE SERVERS THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO WE'RE REPLACING EVERYTHING. OR THIS IS JUST PART OF THE SERVERS THAT WE HAVE.

IT'S A MAJORITY. WE HAVE WE HAVE ANOTHER SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT'S ON ITS OWN SERVER SYSTEM AND STORAGE SYSTEM.

BUT THEY WILL BE THAT PART OF THAT IS THOSE, THAT, THAT EQUIPMENT IS ALSO GOING TO BE AGING OUT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO THE PLAN IS TO REPLACE THE CLUSTER, THE FIVE NODE CLUSTER WITH THIS SYSTEM IN ITS DECISION PACKET, AND TAKE THE OTHER SYSTEM AND INTEGRATE IT INTO THAT AS WELL.

IT'LL BE MORE THAN POWERFUL TO DO IT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE VIRTUAL MACHINES THAT ARE RUNNING ARE NO LONGER NEEDED BECAUSE THEY WERE THEY WERE BASICALLY DECOMMISSIONED BECAUSE OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING DONE BY HARDWARE.

SO THIS IS A ONCE EVERY, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX YEARS KIND OF REPLACEMENT OF ESSENTIALLY ALL OF OUR SERVER INFRASTRUCTURE.

SAME THING WITH THE WORKSTATIONS. ALL THE WORKSTATIONS ARE BRAND NEW WORKSTATIONS STARTED ON A LIFE CYCLE PROCESS.

SO NOW WE HAVE ALL BRAND NEW HARDWARE, BOTH ENDPOINTS AND IN THE SERVERS.

THEN NOW THAT'S PART OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN TO START DEVELOPING A LIFE CYCLE SO THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR $250,000 TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

ONE TIME, IT'S 40 TO $50,000 OVER A PERIOD OF 3 TO 4 YEARS.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN GOING TO PUT INTO PLACE THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.

IT WAS APPARENTLY IN THAT IN THAT PROCESS BEFORE, BUT DUE TO REASONS BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS NOT EVER DONE. SO ANYWAY SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGE. I MEAN YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKETS ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF HARDWARE INFORMATION.

SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO. WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO FOR ME IS THAT I DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN GOING TO CLOUD SERVICES OVER HAVING ON SITE HARDWARE.

I THINK YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME TO YOUR HYBRID MODEL.

AND I GUESS WHAT MY ULTIMATE QUESTION IS, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY EVEN MR. PRINCE HAS, IS WHEN IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TO EARNESTLY INVESTIGATE THAT? IS IT. NOW WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A BIGGER INVESTMENT, IS THIS THE TIME TO SAY, WELL, MAYBE COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK? AND OBVIOUSLY, I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF GOING TO DIR AND ASKING THEM.

THEY HAVE A SHARED. THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MODELS.

YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE THE FULL PACKAGE WHERE THEY HANDLE AND DO EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IT'S THEY'RE MANAGED.

I THINK JUST SIMILAR TO WHAT TYLER COMMUNICATIONS IS, BUT THROUGH DIR OR THEY PROBABLY HAVE A DIR CONTRACT APPROVAL WITH TYLER COMMUNICATIONS. AND THEY'LL SIMPLY SAY, HERE'S THE CONTRACT THAT WE NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AT THE STATE'S PRICE AND YOU GUYS GO WORK WITH THEM.

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SO THAT WAS WHAT MY QUESTION WAS AT THE BEGINNING. DID CHARLES GO THROUGH DIR.

DIR VENDOR. OKAY. YES IT IS IS ABSOLUTELY IS DIR VENDOR.

THAT'S FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT. AND THEN IF SO DO THEY HAVE THE IS THE SERVICE CAPABILITY TO GO THROUGH IN THE CLOUD WITH THEM OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE? THEY HAVE THEY HAVE SOME VERY GOOD INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THEY RECOMMEND THINGS THAT I'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF BEFORE.

SO I CAN, I WOULD DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THEM AND ASK THEM, OKAY.

THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT GOING 100% CLOUD INFRASTRUCTURE OR HYBRID THOUGHTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD ALREADY HYBRID. SO BUT IT'S GOING 100%.

YEAH, GOING 100%. SO MOVING EVERYTHING INTO THE CLOUD.

WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES WAS THE COST WAS THE OUTLAY AND WAS THE MANAGEMENT COSTS OVER AND COST ROI? YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THERE'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON IT STUFF, BUT IT KEEPS THE CITY RUNNING.

SO THERE OBVIOUSLY IS SOME KIND OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO YEAH.

WELL, I LOOK TO COUNCIL IF THERE'S ANY CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE THAT, GO ASK THEM WHAT WOULD IT BE? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? AND THEN POSSIBLY ALSO SDIR WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE THROUGH Y'ALL? AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. AND COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THIS, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE SYNERGY TECHNOLOGY BID FOR THIS 150,000.

AND THEY NO FURTHER DISCUSSION IS NEEDED TO FINALIZE THE SCOPE OF WORK.

DUE TO INABILITY TO ASCERTAIN THE NEED FOR SOME ARCHIVAL DATA AND RESOURCES.

AND THEN THE BULLET POINT BELOW IS THE ONE CONCERNING IS SAYS THAT THE SCADA SERVERS RUNNING WINDOWS SERVER 2016, WHICH REACHES END OF LIFE ON JANUARY 12TH, 2027.

SO THAT'S IN FIVE MONTHS. SO THAT WHATEVER PART OF THIS NEED, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT ONE HAS TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE DID THE NETWORK REFRESH IS THEY LOOKED AT THAT AND THEY WERE LIKE, OKAY. AND BECAUSE IT IS A SCADA CENTRIC SYSTEM, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION AS QUICKLY DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE FOR NOW.

BUT WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING A, SPINNING UP A VIRTUAL MACHINE, MAKING THAT THE PRIMARY, AND THEN USING THIS ONE AS A FAILOVER, JUST IN CASE THERE HAPPENS TO BE A FAILURE IN COMMUNICATION.

BUT IT'S THAT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY FORMER, THE FORMER IT DIRECTOR.

HE HAD CERTAIN VIEWPOINTS THAT I WASN'T INVOLVED, SO I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND I GOT TO, I INHERITED IT, SO I'M DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.

I'M HERE TO SERVE THE CITY EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE MY CUSTOMERS.

AND IF I DON'T SERVE MY CUSTOMERS, MY CUSTOMERS CAN'T SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTS.

SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ME TO MAKE SURE I DO THE BEST JOB I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY STAYS OPERATIONAL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE DECISION PACKAGE IS, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE QUOTES ON THAT OPTION.

BUT IF WE'RE BEING TOLD WE GOT FIVE MONTHS TO DO SOMETHING, THEN I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE WITH THAT.

BUT I DO WANT TO COMMEND AT THE BEGINNING, YOU DID MENTION YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED MUCH TRAINING ON THE BUDGET PROCESS.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING TO REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE AS COUNCIL SHOULD BE MAKING SURE MAKES IT TO OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. AND ADDITIONALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE TRAINING WITHIN YOUR FIELD.

ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S HELPFUL. SO I ASK THAT HAVE YOU MADE SURE THAT THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR FUNDING WITHIN YOUR BUDGET? DEFINITELY. AND I DO WANT TO THANK NICOLE BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH ME, HELPING ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BUDGET SYSTEM WORKS AND MAKING SURE THAT I'M ALLOCATING MONEYS PROPERLY WHEN I CODE MY INVOICES. SO, AND I'M STILL ON THE HUNT FOR FINDING PLACES WHERE I CAN REDUCE EXPENSES THAT ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED PROPERLY.

SO I JUST ASK IF YOU COULD DO THAT SOON, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL GET A LOT MORE INTO THE LINE ITEMS. I MEAN, WE WILL GET MORE INTO THE LINE ITEMS ON SEPTEMBER 3RD.

OKAY? OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM STAN, YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT THE CYCLE OF EQUIPMENT AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING THAT FOR PROJECTIONS.

YES. THAT'S EXTREMELY VALUABLE IN TERMS OF US BEING ABLE TO FORECAST OUT.

WE HAD OF COURSE, OUR SIP AND OUR FIVE YEAR PLANS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO VISUALIZE AND TALK THINGS THROUGH.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'VE NOT EVER DONE THAT IN TERMS OF I T ET CETERA.

SO IT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. I MEAN, AS YOU AS YOU DEVELOP THAT I'M SEEING NOT NOT NOW, NOT EXCEPT WHENEVER YOU GET IT DONE. RIGHT. THAT YOU WORK WITH FINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE PUT FORWARD,

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ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR AS YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL, I DO HAVE A I T TRACKING SYSTEM INVENTORY TRACKING SYSTEM. IT DOES TRACK SINCE IT'S ALL BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT.

I HAVE ALL WARRANTY INFORMATION, AND THAT'S HOW MY LIFE CYCLE INFORMATION WILL BE PRESENTED FOR THE REPLACEMENT.

SO I WILL MAKE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. AND I ALSO HAVE SOME STATISTICS AND METRICS THAT I'M BUILDING TO PREVENT PARASITE PRESENT.

SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A SNAPSHOT VIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS HARDWARE ASSETS AND PERSONNEL LICENSING AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I KIND OF REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION DURING THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS PROCESS.

WE WERE ASKING, WHERE IS IT APPROPRIATE TO BREAK DOWN? IT COSTS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. DO YOU DO WE PUT IT ALL WITHIN THE IT DEPARTMENT BUDGET? DO WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A LINE ITEM IN OTHERS? I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE YOU GUYS ENDED UP ON THAT CONVERSATION.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR A REFRESHER. I DON'T REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION.

I'LL JUST SAY THIS THAT I, I THINK FROM AN EFFICIENCY AT A CITYWIDE LEVEL, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT CENTRALIZED RATHER THAN HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT PUTTING IN THEIR NUMBER FOR IT. THERE IS SOME STUFF IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT I KNOW.

I DON'T I DIDN'T LOOK AT PUBLIC WORKS TODAY. PUBLIC WORKS STILL HAS SEPARATE IT LINE ITEMS. SMALL NUMBER. I THINK WHEN I JUST LOOKED AT POLICE DEPARTMENT A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT WAS LIKE $30,000.

RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IF THAT'S EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES OR WHAT WHAT IT MAY BE.

I DON'T KNOW. CHIEF, IF YOU KNOW OFFHAND. YEAH.

THE I T THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MOSTLY THE AXON CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE.

SO BODY CAMERAS. YEAH. BUT THERE'S ALSO EMBEDDED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE, THE PAYMENT FOR OUR THE ONGOING SERVICES FOR OUR MOTOROLA FLEX SYSTEM. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT IF ON THIS ISSUE, I'VE SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE. AND STAN AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS EMBEDDED IN OUR TEA, THEN NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY SOMETHING IT RELATED WITHOUT STAN VETTING IT FIRST.

THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. NOT IN THIS ORGANIZATION, NOT JUST IN THIS ORGANIZATION, BUT OTHERS.

YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT AND BUY SOMETHING AND THEN YOU GIVE IT TO STAN AND SAY, MAKE IT WORK. AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK THAT WAY. BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN TOO, THAT LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE IS SO MUCH I T IN THERE THAT THAT MAY BE A DIFFICULT THING TO, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO MANAGE BECAUSE CHIEF FRANCO AND SERGEANT CRANE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE, AND THEY HELP OUT STAN A LOT WITH MANAGING SOME OF THE SOFTWARE.

SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO IT, BUT I'VE SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS.

I THINK PROCESS WISE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET STAN INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF I T PURCHASES BEFORE IT'S BOUGHT TO VET IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE. SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS DONE THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND THE PROCESSES ON HOW WE BUY THINGS.

IF THEY'D HAD DONE THAT THREE YEARS AGO, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG WE'VE HAD FLEX.

IF THEY'D DONE THAT BACK THEN, WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH IT.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM WHEN WE'RE TALKING IT, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS.

ONE IS THE HARDWARE, THE OTHER IS THE APPLICATION.

THE HARDWARE I THINK HAS BEEN WHERE STAN'S DOMAIN IS THE APPLICATIONS.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE I THINK WE'RE STILL FINDING OUR WAY.

AND TO OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER'S POSITION, THOSE APPLICATIONS TEND TO BE VETTED AT A DEPARTMENT LEVEL. SO WHAT I HEARD BASICALLY TODAY WAS A PICTURE OF WHERE OUR HARDWARE ESSENTIALLY IS WE DO HAVE SOME OF OUR LICENSING IN HERE, LIKE OUR MICROSOFT LICENSING THAT IS CITYWIDE.

SO IT'S A SHARED RESOURCE. BUT I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A HANDLE ON OUR APPLICATION SIDE VERY WELL.

AND OF COURSE, AGAIN, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT IN THAT IT IS DEPARTMENTAL, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ASPECT OF THAT INTERACTION RIGHT ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

SO IS ALL OF THAT UNDER INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY? NICOLE OR. I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE WHEN I PULLED UP INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, IT BASICALLY HAS THINGS THAT ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF STAN IN TERMS OF THE CODING HERE. SO PREVIOUSLY, WHAT WE USED TO DO IS ANYTIME ANYONE WANTED SOMETHING NEW, A SERVICE,

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THEN MOVING FORWARD, THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD WAS TO GO TO IT AND SAY, OKAY, IT GOT APPROVED.

NOW HERE'S, YOU KNOW, CARRY MY ANNUAL COSTS. AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD? WITH CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT, IT'S, IT'S FLOW AND HR AND THE DIFFERENT COMMUNICATING BETWEEN BUDGETS.

IT'S, IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS TOO, SUCH AS THE WEBSITE SOFTWARE PEAK.

ALL OF THE OTHER SOFTWARES ARE ALSO BEING CATEGORIZED AS CONTRACT SERVICES OR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S A CONTRACT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNED. AND NOW IT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE ANNUAL.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE, LIKE YOU SAY, IT GETS A LITTLE DICEY TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT'S CONSIDERED INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

WHAT'S A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT? WHAT'S A CONTRACT WITH A PROVIDER.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF GET OUR HEADS AROUND THIS.

LIKE STAN SAID, ONCE HE CAME ON BOARD AND HE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE TO US THE NEW, LIKE THE CLOSED CAPTIONING AND THE NEW REQUIREMENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE COME ON, SAME SCENARIO. IT'S LIKE, OH, WE NEED THIS.

WE BETTER GET THIS. AND IT GETS ORDERED, BUT THEN NOT NECESSARILY ALLOCATED TO THE PROPER BUDGET.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THIS PROCESS.

AGAIN, I THINK IN LIKE THE CITY SECRETARY, I THINK THERE'S SOME GRANT GRANICUS IN THERE UNDER CONTRACT, UNDER I THINK MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, WHICH IS YOUR 6540 LINE ITEM, WHICH IS STILL THE SERVICES SECTION OF YOUR BUDGET.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF HAPPENED WHERE A BILL HAS COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO GET THIS, THIS IS NEEDED SOFTWARE AND IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

SOMEBODY GOT US ON BOARD. AND THEN NOW IT'S LIKE OH, WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT.

SO 4800, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN THE IT BUDGET IS KIND OF A.

THE BIG PURCHASES. IN ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET FOR THE MAJORITY, YOU WOULD PROBABLY FIND ANYWHERE FROM 500 TO MAYBE $2,000 OR SO, WHICH IS THOSE PEOPLE BUDGETING FOR IN, IN A NEW LAPTOP OR A DESKTOP OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SORRY. THAT TELLS ME WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO.

SO PART OF THE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES THAT, THAT COME WITH OUR APPLICATIONS IS IF THEY'RE LARGE ENOUGH THAT THEY WILL SEND AN INVOICE, I THINK WE GET THAT FLAGGED PRETTY WELL. WE HAVE OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SMALLER AND THEY BASICALLY THERE'S, THEY WANT A CREDIT CARD TO KEEP THE SUBSCRIPTION GOING.

AND SO THAT CAN KIND OF SURPRISES. SO I THINK I'M JUST NOTING THAT THERE'S SOME WORK TO DO THERE.

THE OTHER IS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A TRUE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BROKEN DOWN NOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A TRUE FEEL FOR HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING GLOBALLY ACROSS THE CITY ON ALL SOFTWARE PRODUCTS.

SO IF THERE'S DUPLICATION, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THERE'S NOT A WAY TO REALLY ANALYZE IT.

I'M HOPING THAT THE NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF FERRET THAT OUT OR HAVE SOME IDEAS JUST STATING IT ON THE RECORD.

SO AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN WORK WITH YOU, NICOLE, TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT.

ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO MY ORIGINAL INTENTION FOR THIS MEETING WAS TO TAKE IT TO SEVEN, 719. I'M JUST YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER YOU WANT TO GO.

I WANTED TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO GO THROUGH THE DECISION PACKAGE.

I WAS WITH US. WE HAVE DONE THAT, I BELIEVE. I DIDN'T NECESSARILY SAY WE HAD TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THOSE.

WE STILL HAVE THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MEETING, BUT YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW. THE ONE THING THAT I CALL OUT IS, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THESE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ONES CAN BE BACKED OUT AND THAT WE JUST NEED TO FIND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THIS BUILDING OFFICIAL AND AT WHAT COST? YEAH, I'M I'M FINE WITH THAT. UNTIL WE GET A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR THAT TELLS US OTHERWISE.

I CAN IMAGINE A BUDGET AMENDMENT COMING AFTER THAT FOR GETTING THE RIGHT STAFF IN PLACE.

I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, BUT MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT SINCE YOU ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION. OKAY.

MAYOR. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS THAT THERE'S THERE IS NO FORMAL DISTINCTION.

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OFFICIAL CITIES USE THE TERMS SOMETIMES INTERCHANGEABLY.

SO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE HEAD OF THAT DIVISION IN A DEPARTMENT MIGHT BE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

AND THEN BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT GO OUT AND INSPECT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THINGS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ICC OR THE IBC OR THE IPMA OR YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE CODES THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED.

SO JUST, JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR, I MEAN, THEY CAN BE THE SAME.

THEY CAN ALL SERVE THE SAME FUNCTION. AND SO THE TITLE DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. I DO WONDER IF IN SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES, WE MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OFFICIAL AS HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS, MAYBE SOMETHING WILL NEED TO BE.

YEAH. WELL, I'LL, I'LL TAKE I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

BUT, BUT IN GENERAL, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY REMOVED POWERS FROM A BUILDING INSPECTOR VERSUS A BUILDING OFFICIAL, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T MATTER. THANK YOU. IN THE DEPARTMENT.

HE'S ASKING ME ABOUT SHOULD THE DECISION PACKAGE SAY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL? TO ME, IT COULD ACTUALLY NOT BE A DECISION PACKAGE.

IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUDGET.

RIGHT. WHICH IS ZERO RIGHT NOW. YES. RIGHT. SO WE JUST NEED TO FIND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE AND I DON'T KNOW, DID JORDAN ACTUALLY DO THESE LINE ITEMS FOR THAT? SO SOMEHOW IN HER MIND, SHE THESE OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER TITLES WERE COVERING, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFF SAYS THEY THINK IS NEEDED OF BUILDING OFFICIAL.

YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM. I LIKE THE, THE, THE PATH THAT WE'RE GOING INITIALLY.

I THINK IT NEEDS FURTHER EVALUATION. PART OF WHAT I SEE ARE CAPACITY THAT SHE WAS BUILDING IN CAPACITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IN AN UPTURN. SO IT MAY BE THAT THESE POSITIONS ARE NEEDED, BUT THE TIMING OF THAT IS A QUESTION TO ME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A SLOWER ECONOMIC STATE IN REGARD TO NEW BUILDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE PERMITS AND SUCH GOING ON. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A POST COVID, YOU KNOW, UPTURN.

AND SO I'LL JUST WRAP UP. JUST SAY THAT I DO LIKE THIS GOING IN THIS DIRECTION.

I THINK THE NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER, ALONG WITH WHOEVER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PERSON SHOULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THIS IS.

AND THEN IF NEEDED, WE CAN DO LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LATER DOING A BUDGET AMENDMENT OF SOME SORT IF NEEDED.

OKAY. CAN I JUST REAL QUICKLY TO TALK ABOUT THE SALARIES THAT ARE IN THERE? WHAT IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED IS THERE IS A CURRENT VACANCY LISTED UNDER A BUILDING INSPECTOR.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE IS A VACANCY IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUDGET FOR A SALARY OF ABOUT $54,000.

THAT WAS A STAFF MEMBER THAT RECENT? YES, MA'AM.

SO IF Y'ALL WERE WANTING TO PUT SOMEONE AND WE'RE SAYING WITH THE STAFF WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IF ALL WE WERE ADDING WAS THE DIRECTOR, AND THEN THE ONE POSITION THAT IS IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, THEN THAT WOULD BE, IN MY MIND, JUST MAKING THE DIFFERENCE OF WHATEVER SALARY RANGE.

UNLESS WE'RE STATING THAT THE EMPLOYEE THAT ALREADY LEFT IS STILL A VACANCY AND WE'RE ADDING A WHOLE NOTHER FTE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. SO I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY SAID TO US WAS, NO, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY THINK THEY NEED IS ANOTHER BUILDING OFFICIAL.

SO WE CAN TAKE THAT FTE FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. ANOTHER POTENTIALLY. THEN YOU'RE TALKING ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, $55,000 OR SO BENEFITS ARE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR THIS CURRENT PERSON. SO THE ACTUAL COST TO THE CITY WOULD NOT BE THE FULL EXPENSE THAT IS IN THAT DECISION PACKAGE, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT NEED A WHOLE NOTHER ROUND OF BENEFITS BETWEEN MRS, SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, ALL THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO GET THAT POSITION TO AROUND 115.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE AN EXTRA 6575. AGAIN, AS LONG AS COUNCIL GIVES ME THE DIRECTION THAT THAT'S WHAT ALL OF YOU.

I'M, I'M, I'M CONFUSED THOUGH, FROM WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE. SO HELP ME WITH THIS. SO WHAT I SEE IN PERSONNEL IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THERE IS A LINE ITEM FOR BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE AMOUNT IS $112,000.

TWO PEOPLE. THAT'S TWO PEOPLE. I SEE. OKAY, SO IN THE PAST YEAR THE BUDGET WAS 55,000.

THAT WAS ONE PERSON. THIS IS TWO PEOPLE. AGREED.

AND THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHICH LAST YEAR THE BUDGET WAS 83,000.

THIS YEAR THE BUDGET IS ZERO. SO IT WAS MOVED FROM BUILDING OFFICIAL AT A HIGHER AMOUNT DOWN TO ANOTHER BUILDING INSPECTOR AT A LOWER AMOUNT,

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AND, AND THE EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING WE THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD HAVE HIGHER LEVEL CAPABILITIES TO ALSO DO PLAN REVIEW AND WHATEVER.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT. I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ACTUAL AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE, I MEAN, MY ESTIMATION IS THAT WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED THERE BY 30% FROM WHAT WE PLAN TO SPEND THIS LAST YEAR.

SO I HAVE A FEELING THAT THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF ITS TOLL.

I'M NOT SURE WHO WHERE WE WERE MAYBE THROUGH THESE VACANCIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NICOLE, THAT THAT CAME INTO PLAY. I STILL THINK THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TRUE HANDLE ON THE CAPACITY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NEEDED THERE IN ORDER TO TO PERFORM APPROPRIATELY WITH WHAT ALL WE GOT GOING ON.

I'LL ALSO SAY THAT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT WE WERE ALSO HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LIKE THE UDC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL OF THAT, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF AS WE GO FORWARD.

SO AGAIN, I LIKE THE PATH THAT WE'RE GOING ON, JUST STATING THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE THAT GOING FORWARD.

MAYOR JUST FOR THE RECORD I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US HERE ON, ON DECISION PACKAGE WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT ON THIS TABLE.

ANYWAY, THE VERY TOP ITEM, WHICH IS THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR ADMINISTRATION.

AND I KNOW THAT AT LEAST AT A FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION OF THIS DEBATE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE CITY MANAGER MOST NEED EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT VERSUS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OR BOTH.

AND SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFERRED. BUT THERE IS THERE MAY BE SOMETHING HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OF EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR HELPING THE CITY MANAGER TO RUN THE CITY EFFICIENTLY. AND I THINK WE'LL WE'LL NEED THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT A YOU KNOW, A STICKY ON THE WALL WITH THAT ONE.

AND THEN SECONDLY, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL. TONIGHT AND WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THAT TABLE IN THE PACKAGE FOR FY 27, CURRENTLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF 9.384 MILLION.

AND I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER CITY STAFF BELIEVES THAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR THIS YEAR, OR IT COULD BE RADICALLY DIFFERENT. AFTER ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE ADJUSTMENTS AND DISCUSSION HAPPEN.

AND WE DON'T HAVE VICTOR OR ERNEST HERE, SO I GUESS WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW COUNCIL OR MAYOR. IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO CALL IT QUITS FOR TONIGHT AND PICK THAT UP ON IN THE NEXT MEETING, OR YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET ANY FEEDBACK ON THE CIP.

IT COULD AT THE RISK IT COULD TAKE US INTO A PRETTY DEEP RATHOLE.

MAYBE SINCE SINCE YOU WALKED IN THE ROOM JUST THERE IS A TABLE IN THE PACKAGE TODAY FOR CIP AND THE TOTAL FOR FY 27 THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW IS $9.384 MILLION.

AND THAT'S JUST AS THE NUMBERS ADD UP. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU AND VICTOR BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE RADICALLY DIFFERENT AFTER DISCUSSION? AND WE PARSE THROUGH ALL OF THAT? IS THAT WHAT WAS SENT OUT LAST COUNCIL MEETING? THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE. I JUST PRINTED THIS OUT OF TONIGHT'S PACKAGE.

AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JUSTIFY EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM ON THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THAT ABOUT THE TOTAL NUMBER, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE NORTH OF $9 MILLION FOR THE SPEND ON SIP IN THE COMING YEAR? YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S A ROUGH BALLPARK NUMBER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT. FOR ME. YEAH. YEAH.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GO DEEP INTO IT, BUT I DO HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT BECAUSE I, AGAIN, I WANT TO SEE THE STREET REHAB ACTUALLY MOVE BACK INTO 27.

SO I WOULD ACTUALLY PROJECT THAT NUMBER TO BE BIGGER IF COUNCIL HAD ANY AGREEMENT ON THAT.

AND THEN I STILL DON'T SEE THE AIRPORT PROJECT, WHICH I STILL AM ASKING STAFF TO CONFIRM.

DOES IT NEED. I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE IN THE 27 YEAR.

SO THE TEX-DOT SEES THAT WE ARE FINANCIALLY COMMITTED TO IT.

IT WAS ADDED ON THAT EMAIL THAT VICTOR SENT RIGHT AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING.

ALL THE REQUESTS WERE ADDED IN THERE. OKAY. JUST NOT ON THIS ONE.

YEAH. NOT ON THIS ONE. THIS WAS FROM M BUDGET.

SO IN THE EMAIL HE SENT THAT NIGHT, EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUESTED, IT WAS ON IT.

IT MIGHT NOT HAVE NUMBERS YET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. BUT IT WAS REQUESTED ON THAT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE DIRECTION, THE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS, IF THE LIST WAS ACCURATE, AND THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL'S DESIRE WAS.

AND THEN BACK TO YOUR VERY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT. AND THEN IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT PROCESS OF WHAT DOES THIS DECISION PACKAGE DOCUMENT LOOK

[03:20:10]

SO THEY'RE GRAYED OUT I GUESS, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THEM, SEE THEY'RE APPROVED. AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A LINE STRICKEN THROUGH THE ONES THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ONE. AND THAT WAY IT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE DEALER DECISION PACKAGE TALKED ABOUT BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHICH ONES ARE STILL PENDING AND WHICH ONES AREN'T. IS THAT A GOOD PROCESS? OKAY. THAT'S NOT MAYOR PRO TEM. YES. THANK YOU.

IF IT'S OKAY, I'M JUST GOING TO INTERJECT IN REGARD TO THE CIP.

THE IPASS COMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED OR WAS SLATED TO MEET ON THE TUESDAY BEFORE OUR LAST MEETING AND DUE TO TRAVEL, ETCETERA. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THAT VICTOR AND NESTO AND DAVE STEWART WERE ALL TALKING. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF LOOK OVER EVERYTHING AND JUST RECONCILE, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS THAT DAVE PUT TOGETHER VERSUS WHAT VICTOR AND NESTO HAD JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE MORE URGENT. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY DAVE STEWART IS UPDATING OUR WATER MODELS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP WITH OUR FLUME AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOME OF THE OTHER FUTURE ITEMS, AS WELL AS THE DEPENDENCIES, RIGHT ON, ON THESE CURRENT PROJECTS.

SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THERE'S ANOTHER MEETING THAT IS SLATED TO COME TOGETHER.

IF I CAN FIGURE OUT WHEN VICTOR GETS BACK AND BEFORE DAVE GOES TO POLAND THAT WE CAN GET THE IPASS TEAM TOGETHER AND, AND FERRET SOME OF THAT OUT. SO ANYWAY, JUST INFORMATION FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

YEAH. EXCUSE ME. I JUST GOTTA REMIND US. THE DIGITAL SIGN MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED IN THAT IN YOUR BUDGET.

DIGITAL SIGN. THE DIGITAL SIGN IS GOING ON. 1431.

THE DIGITAL LIKE WE HAVE HERE. IS THAT ALREADY? I DIDN'T SEE I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I YEAH, I WAS THINKING.

MR. HALL, I HAVE SOME I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CIP AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT ON CONSULTING SERVICES AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY GETTING THE WORK DONE AND WHETHER SOME OF THOSE CONSULTING SERVICES ARE OVERLY BROAD IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING STUDIED.

AND IF WE DO THOSE STUDIES, WILL WE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT? WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING, WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED? AND SO SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SPEND SOME TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND HOW NECESSARY THAT IS AND WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER WE CAN BRING US AN ENGINEER ON STAFF, WHICH IS BUDGETED THAT COULD GIVE BETTER DIRECTION IN TERMS AND MAYBE MAKE SOME DECISIONS INSTEAD OF US CONTRACTING THAT OUT.

SO, SO AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT TONIGHT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEPTEMBER TO DO THE BUDGET.

AND ONE THING THAT I ASKED ROBIN TO PUT ON THE LAST AGENDA AT THE BOTTOM IS A REMINDER THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADJOURN MEETING TO RECESS MEETINGS AND COME BACK THE NEXT DAY. AND SO I ASKED IF THAT WOULD THAT LANGUAGE AS A REMINDER, WOULD BE ADDED TO EACH REGULAR AGENDA.

SO MY QUESTION TO COUNCIL WAS IF WE REALLY NEEDED IT, DO YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE FRIDAY AFTER THE NEXT MEETING? I THINK THE FIFTH, FOURTH, THE FOURTH. WOULD ANY OF YOU BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND MEET IF WE FELT LIKE WE WANTED TO RECESS AND DO IT THE NEXT DAY TO GIVE US MORE TIME, RATHER THAN HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL CALLED MEETING? I SEE A COUPLE HEADS NODDING. OKAY, SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM IF THAT IF THAT WAS NEEDED.

SO WE WOULD ASSESS HOW THINGS ARE GOING ON. THE THIRD.

IT STARTS GETTING SUPER LATE. WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

THEN WE CAN RECESS AND PICK IT UP THE NEXT DAY.

MAYOR JUST BEFORE YOU GO AND ANSWER TO MR. PRINCE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO THE CITY USED TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL POSITION UNDER PERSONNEL OF BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHICH WAS REPEALED IN 2009. INTERESTINGLY, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS REPORTS TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OFFICE, WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS. SO MY POINT IS THAT IT YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS NOT IT IS NO LONGER A AN OFFICIAL POSITION CREATED UNDER YOUR ORDINANCES.

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IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO WANT TO VOTE ON A TAX RATE TONIGHT.

ARE WE UNDER A REQUIREMENT TO SET A CEILING AT ANY TIME OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING WE WOULD OPTIONALLY BE DOING? WELL, I, I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT. I THINK BECAUSE THE, THE DEADLINE TO.

SAY AGAIN PUBLISHES TOMORROW. SO I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN, ALTHOUGH STATUTORILY YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THE RATE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR VOTING AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

SO I WOULD TAKE THE ROLL CALL VOTE TO ADOPT THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PROPOSAL.

YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING THE RIGHT TONIGHT. IT SETS A CEILING, TELLS YOUR YOUR CITIZENS WHAT THE MAXIMUM RATE WILL BE.

EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE LIKELY COVERED BY THE STATUTE ALREADY, BUT I WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRANSPARENCY AND LETTING EVERYONE KNOW. BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT RATE TONIGHT FOR COMPLIANCE PURPOSES SHOULD BE AT A MAXIMUM THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. IT CAN'T. YES. CORRECT. IT CAN'T STATUTORILY.

YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT. GOT IT. YES, SIR. AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMING AND NOTICE ISSUES, DO YOU NEED A MOTION.

IF IF WE WANT TO. YEAH. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION ON ITEM.

WAS THAT 6262. AND IT DOES NEED TO BE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

YEAH, SIX ONE. YOU GOT TO SELECT THE DATE OF THE HEARING, RIGHT.

WHICH WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED. WE WOULD MAKE IT THE 17TH.

IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? RIGHT. CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOTCHA.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE TAX RATE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE, WHICH I HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED WITH THE SECRETARY AND CHIEF TO BE SEPTEMBER 17TH.

SO I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR, I MOVE TO. IT'S NOT TO SET THE RATE. IT'S TO SET THE MAXIMUM RATE. THE PROPOSED RATE FOR 2027 AT .0.451988 FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR BENEFIELD.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR.

PRO TEM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? A COUPLE OF THINGS, MAYOR. SO, FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBER THAT MR. PENFIELD READ IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT THE COUNTY HAS PROVIDED TO US.

AND SECONDLY, THIS, IF APPROVED, WOULD BE A RATE WHICH COULD NOT.

WE COULD NOT, AT FURTHER VOTE, GO ABOVE. WE COULD REVISIT COMING DOWN AT A LOWER NUMBER IN OUR NEXT NEXT FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS WILL BE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

SO I WILL GO DOWN THE LINE STARTING WITH SEAT ONE, ASK YOU YOUR VOTE, YAY OR NAY, AND THEN I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT I VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. I VOTE YES. MR. HALL VOTES. YAY! ALL RIGHT, MR. BENNEFIELD. YAY! YAY FOR MR. BENNEFIELD MAYOR PRO TEM.

YAY! YAY FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM! MR. PRINCE. YAY, YAY! COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. YAY! COUNCILOR VENICE! YAY! AND THE MAYOR ZBA AS WELL. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

I'M NOW OPEN TO A MOTION ON ITEM 461 TO DISCUSS A DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT THE DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING BE SET AT SEPTEMBER 17TH, WHICH WOULD BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR PRINCE AND A SECOND FROM MISTER BENNEFIELD.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY. YEAH, MR. STEWART. I SEE IP RELATED. YOU'RE LUCKY.

OKAY. AT THE LAST PAGE. OKAY. I SAW A DISCUSSION AMONGST YOU ALL ABOUT HAVING TO INCREASE COMPENSATION TO FOR EMPLOYEE RETAINAGE.

SO WHEN I PASS COMMITTEE METER MEMBER AND I GOT TOGETHER AND THAT LAST SHEET IN THERE THAT YOU GOT BASICALLY IS A LICENSE RENEWAL COMPARISON BETWEEN 1990 OF $0.25 WHICH YOU'RE STILL USING THE 1990 RATE.

THE LAST I HEARD, ALTHOUGH IT WAS SUSPENDED FOR THREE YEARS, IT WAS FINALLY BROUGHT BACK.

SO WHAT WE DID IS IF YOU IF YOU TAKE THE INFLATION RATE, A DOLLAR WOULD BE 258 RIGHT NOW.

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NOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I GAVE HER A COPY. HE'S ACTUALLY GOT MY COPY.

I GAVE IT TO HIM WHEN WE WENT OUTSIDE, AND HE TOLD ME HE TRIED TO PRESENT THIS SAME THING.

BUT YOUR PLANTS ARE SUFFERING FOR LICENSED OPERATORS.

AND IF YOU IMPLEMENT THIS YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF RETAINING THE CRITICAL ONES THAT ARE KEEPING THE SYSTEM BANDED TOGETHER RIGHT NOW AND POSSIBLY ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO INCREASE THEIR LICENSES AND GET US BACK TO WHERE WE USED TO BE TEN YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, AND THE BIG THING ABOUT IT IS IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD TAKE IT BACK TO THREE YEARS.

ANYBODY WHO GOT A LICENSE UPGRADE IN THREE YEARS.

AND THE REASON IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU ANY MONEY THAT MUCH MONEY IS BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT MAYBE SEVEN LICENSES, SEVEN. AND YOU FIX YOUR PROBLEM, SHOW EVERYBODY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT IF YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF.

WE WANT TO KEEP YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. TIME IS 742 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.