Sep 09, 2026 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[* A portion of this meeting is without audio *]

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DOUGLAS HERE. FANTASTIC. AWESOME. EVEN BETTER. ALL RIGHT. YOU THINK I'D KNOW TO TURN THE

[II. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

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ONE WAS THE PROPERTY OVER HERE, BONANZA, AND AND THEN EVERYONE OBVIOUSLY KNOWS ABOUT SUNSET, SUNSET PARK. I THINK THEY'RE BOTH GREAT PLACES TO DO IT. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO. RIGHT? YOU COULD SPLIT IT INTO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND DO ONE THING OVER THERE AND ONE OVER HERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY A GOOD IDEA TO TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT HERE OFF OF DAWN, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HEART OF THE CITY, RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO GET OUT OF SCHOOL WITH THEIR PARENTS AND, AND LEARN HOW TO RIDE AND HAVE FUN OUTSIDE. AND THEN AS THIS WHOLE AREA STARTS TO GROW, WHICH I BELIEVE IT IS, WE ALL SEE IT. BUILDINGS ARE GOING UP, THINGS ARE CHANGING. I THINK IT WILL BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, AND BRING SOME LIFE TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN LARGO ON THE MAIN STREET. AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY MAIN STREETS THAT HAVE A SIDEWALK TOO. SO THAT'S A BENEFIT. IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START, RIGHT? WE CAN BRANCH FROM THERE. BUT SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU, KAREN OR SOMEBODY ABOUT.

WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING A PATH FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO SUNSET PARK. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT, BUT THAT'S A HUGE WIN IN MY OPINION. GIVING THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AN AVENUE TO WHERE THEY CAN GET OVER THERE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HONESTLY BRING A LOT MORE PEOPLE TO THE PARK BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS AT UNTIL LIKE LAST YEAR. I WAS LIKE, OH, THERE IT IS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO PAST EVERYTHING TO FIND IT. SO I THINK THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. SO LOTS OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, BUT I'LL KEEP GOING ON. I HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO THAT I WANT TO SHARE, AND I WAS JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? WHAT I THINK WOULD WORK.

WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO THIS SCALE. WE COULD SCALE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THE PROPERTY THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW IN THE VIDEO, IT IS ABOUT 5 TO 6 ACRES. LIKE I SAID, 2 TO 4 AND MINUS THE LAND. IF THE CITY PROVIDES THE LAND, RIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AROUND 1.7 TO 2 MIL TO GET IT ALL DONE THE RIGHT WAY FROM BEGINNING TO END. BUT THOSE ARE PHASE PROJECTS AND THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CITY. IT'S GOING TO BE GRANTS, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 500 000 HERE, 500 000 THERE. THERE ARE SPONSORS THAT I KNOW IS LIKE IN THE BIKE INDUSTRY THAT WOULD JUMP AT THIS AS FAR AS LIKE BRANDS ARE CONCERNED TO GET LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEIR FOOTPRINT ON HERE AND HAVE THEIR NAME UP. IT WOULD, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PROBLEM GETTING THE FUNDS RAISED. SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. HOW DO I GET THE VIDEO TO YOU, NORMA? OR CAN I JUST PUT IT ON YOUR COMPUTER? DO YOU HAVE YOUTUBE? YOUTUBE? CAN I JUST SHARE IT FROM MY PHONE? MAYBE I CAN DO THAT. LET'S SEE. I HAVE NO IDEA.

CAN YOU SEND IT? MAYBE. ABSOLUTELY CAN. THE CHAIR I AM HAPPY TO PLAY THE. YES, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. DO YOU WANT ME TO. I JUST. WHAT DO YOU NEED? ANYTHING ELSE? IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO FIT UP. I COULD FILL THIS STAGE TOP. YEAH. YEAH. NO FOR SURE. WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS. I MEAN, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THEM. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DAVID AS WELL. IT'S SIMILAR. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE KIND OF. WHILE YOU'RE WHILE YOU'RE FIGURING OUT THAT.

YEAH, YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH FOR SURE. ONLY THE BOARD IS REALLY RECOGNIZING HERE. IT'S A LITTLE CHAOTIC. OKAY. DAVID, I'M CURRENTLY SPEAKING AS ME, BUT I WILL REFERENCE THE EDC SEVERAL TIMES. PREVIOUSLY, THE EDC DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF LEVERAGE TO HELP WITH THESE THINGS. NOW THAT WE'RE TRULY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THERE IS A BIG CONNECTING FORCE THAT

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WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GRANTS GETTING THESE THINGS STARTED, HOW ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD AND MAINTENANCE? THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. SO SOME OF THE GRANTS REALLY DO HAVE MAINTENANCE EXPECTATIONS WHERE IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE MONEY, THE CITY THEN DOES HAVE TO GET INVOLVED OR WHOEVER'S TAKING THE GRANT, GENERALLY THE CITY, THOUGH, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT THEY COMMIT TO PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE OF THAT, OR AT LEAST ALONG LIKE 30 YEAR WINDOW, BECAUSE NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WANT TO GIVE OUT MONEY FOR THE CITY TO GO. THANKS, THAT WAS COOL. AND A YEAR LATER, BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT WITH IT CAN COINCIDENCE? YOU MENTIONED THAT. CAN I QUICKLY JUST ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. IT SEEMS HERE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU WANT A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, RIGHT? PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS THAT GO INTO THAT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I KNOW AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO. I ALSO DID MY RESEARCH, I BELIEVE PARIS AS WELL AS SMALLER CITY HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLED NOW PUMP TRUCKS. SO I'VE BEEN. YES. YEAH. SO THIS WOULD BE A PUMP TRUCK. SO WHEN YOU SAY 1.7 MILLION, THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU WOULD. IS THAT THE TOTAL PROJECTED COST. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAN ANTONIO SORRY. YEAH. SAN ANTONIO WAS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT IN GENERAL.

I THINK IT WAS IT WAS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE, A LOT MORE ACREAGE. ONCE I SHOW YOU THIS YOU'LL UNDERSTAND LIKE IT'S A MIX. AND AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE IS CONCERNED, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. IF IT'S ASPHALT AND TREATED WOOD AND WE DO IT CORRECTLY, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY LOW MAINTENANCE AS LONG AS WE DO THE DRAINAGE CORRECTLY AND WE TAKE THE PROPER STEPS.

IF WE DON'T, THEN YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? BUT IF WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, IT WILL BE VERY LOW MAINTENANCE. AND YOU CAN YOU'LL SEE BY THE VIDEO SHE'S GOING TO SHARE. AND I THINK MY QUESTION WAS THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED AGREEMENTS AND MOU. SO IF YOU'RE DOING A PRIVATE LIKE, RIGHT WITH THE EDC, I ASSUME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING CRITICAL. AND ALSO FINDING THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE OVER TIME YOU WANT TO SUSTAIN THAT. WHEN YOU SAY GRANTS, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STATE GRANTS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOUNDATION GRANTS? IS THIS GOING TO BE A SHARED RIGHT, LOOKING FOR FOR GRANTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND AND WHO ARE THE BUSINESSES? YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE ALREADY SMALL BUSINESS. HOW MANY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE. RIGHT NOW? I HAVE THE THE TATTOO SHOPS ALREADY NOT BROKEN, BUT ANOTHER ONE. AND THEN SHE SAID THAT

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I HONESTLY WOULD I, I WANT TO GO GET THE GRANT MONEY FOR SURE. BUT I, I DO FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT. LIKE DAVID SAID, THERE, THERE WILL BE COMPANIES LIKE MAJOR COMPANIES THAT WILL STEP UP AND WILL DO THIS IF WE PRESENT IT AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS HOW WE BUILD IT, WHO WE GET TO BUILD IT, WILL IT BE SANCTIONED? RIGHT? RED BULL THEY USE VALVE SOLUTIONS AND THEY'RE THE BEST. THEY'RE AMAZING. THAT'S WHO BUILT THE VIDEO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU. BUT THAT'S ALL THEY'RE SANCTIONING AND STUFF. SO I MIGHT NOT BE WORKING RIGHT NOW, BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU. YEAH, THAT'S NOT WORKING. WELL, THEY WON'T LET YOU DO IT. THEY WILL LET ME SHARE EVERYTHING ELSE IN MY COMPUTER BUT YOUTUBE, BUT NOT THAT YOUTUBE. LET'S SEE. I'M SORRY. NO YOU'RE FINE. HEY, I'LL SEND IT OUT TO YOU. THAT'S FINE. ACTUALLY, YOU ALREADY HAVE. ACTUALLY, DAVID HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT I'M DEFINITELY AWARE OF AND SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WELL. MIDDLE SCHOOL CONNECTED TO SUNSET. I DEFINITELY SEE POTENTIAL AS WELL ON DON DRIVE. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, I MEAN, THERE'S NUMEROUS SITES ALONG DON DRIVE THAT MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONNECT. PLUS IT HAS A SIDEWALK, AS YOU MENTIONED. WHAT I WASN'T AWARE OF IS IF YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A PATH TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. YES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. DO YOU HAVE THAT ON PAPER SOMEWHERE? I DO, IT MIGHT BE POSTED. IT'S NOT POSTED ON THE CONVERSATION BOARD. I WILL POST IT ON THE CONVERSATION BOARD ON THE EDC. OKAY. OR I CAN EMAIL YOU TO I'LL GET YOUR EMAIL. GREAT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU COULD EMAIL ONE OF US IN IF YOU ANDREWS. YEAH. THEN WE'LL GET THE REST OF US, IF YOU DON'T MIND. ANDREW. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND THE THE BIKE PARK IS CALLED THE RAIL YARD. SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO GOOGLE IT AND LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE YOURSELF, IT'S CALLED THE RAIL YARD. IT'S IN BENTONVILLE, ARKANSAS. AND YEP. AND THERE'S A VIDEO ON THERE FOR 12 MINUTES. AND IT GOES FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END AND SHOWS YOU EVERYTHING. SO I'LL SHOOT OUT AN EMAIL TO NORMAN. YOU HAVE IT, BUT THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN WRITE IT DOWN AND CHECK IT OUT ON YOUR WAY HOME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. HAS ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE CITIZENS COMMENTS? I'VE ONLY GOT THIS CARD AND THAT WAS FROM DAVID. SO. NOT YOU, DAVID, THE OTHER DAVID. BUT DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO TALK? SORRY. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO, NO, I WAS JUST GOING. OH, SORRY. SORRY. I JUST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AND PRESENTING. I WAS THE ONE THAT ENCOURAGED YOU ON FACEBOOK TO COME. I'VE GOT A MOUNTAIN BIKER AND THE FAMILY. HE HAS BEEN TO BENTONVILLE THIS SPRING. HE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. IT'S A HUGE BIKE PARK. YOU CAN. IT'S A DESTINATION. YOU GO. YOU CAMP THERE, SPEND THE NIGHT AIRBNB, DO IT FOR SEVERAL DAYS. SO AND I KNOW THIS IS HIGH ON THE WANT LIST FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE INFORMATION AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF I'M CORRECT AND I COULD BE WRONG HERE, GEORGETOWN JUST OPENED UP A PUMP TRACK. YEAH. OKAY. THOUGHT SO. I HAVEN'T BEEN TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT YET, BUT IT'S. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. OKAY. ANYBODY GOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS CITIZENS COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO. OKAY. ERIC, I DON'T MEAN TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS. AND IF

[III.1. Routine reports from City Council Liaison.]

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SO ANYWAYS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAKE SOME PROGRESS THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER IS MAYOR PRO TEM NORMA OWEN IS HERE. SO I WANT TO GIVE HER THE FLOOR BECAUSE SHE'S GOT A LOT OF GREAT, EXCITING NEWS ABOUT HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY COLLABORATE WITH THE EDC ON SOME POTENTIAL SOURCES OF FUNDING AND OUTREACH. LET'S SEE, IS THIS ON? Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME. OKAY, GOOD. ALL

[III.2. Routine reports from City Staff.]

SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, DAVID MONTGOMERY SCOTT, FOR SHOWING US WHAT A PARKS DEPARTMENT REALLY CAN DO WITH THE RIGHT TALENT IN PLACE. BUT SECONDLY, WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME FUNDING BEHIND THAT. SO I WAS VERY PLEASED YESTERDAY WHEN THE EDC REALLY AND I THINK DAVID CAN BACK THIS UP ENTHUSIASTICALLY SAID, LET'S GET BEHIND P RAC AND GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE. DAVID. I GIVE HIM CREDIT ALREADY OUT. HE TALKED ABOUT IT TONIGHT.

ALREADY BEEN SCOOTING UP SOME CONVERSATIONS AND SOME SPONSORS BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

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JANICE. YES, WE'RE KEEPING KALEB ON THE LINE TOO, IN THAT THOUGHT. BECAUSE REALLY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE SAY IT TAKES A VILLAGE. IN THIS CASE, IT TRULY DOES. IT TAKES ALL OF LAGO VISTA. BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, I SHOULD SAY, THREE MECHANISMS AT WORK RIGHT NOW THAT GIVE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL BUDGET ROUTE. THAT IS P RAC K, L, V, B AND THE EDC. SO I PLEASE I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR DOING ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. ACTUALLY, I WANT TO SAY, MARK, FOR PROVIDING ME WITH HISTORICAL INFORMATION THAT I'M BRINGING FORWARD FOR USE IN SOME OF THESE ENDEAVORS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE KAREN SPENDING HOURS ON THE PHONE WITH ME, TALKING SOME OF THESE THINGS THROUGH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, I WILL LET Y'ALL GET ON WITH YOUR MEETING. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME A FEW MINUTES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT A MATTER OF THE MONIES NOT AVAILABLE OR THE WILL IS NOT THERE TO ACTUALLY PUT MONEY INTO PARKS? I UNDERSTAND ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE GRANTS, FINANCING. THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD. BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A REAL PRIORITY. HASN'T BEEN FOR THE TEN YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE FOR PARKS AND REC. IT ALWAYS GETS KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, KICKED DOWN THE ROAD LAST YEAR, WHAT WAS IT, $15,000? WAS THE WAS THE BUDGET NOT NOT NECESSARILY FOR MAINTENANCE OR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, WALKWAYS AT SUNSET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT WAS PALTRY. IT WAS A PALTRY AMOUNT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CITIES JUST KIND OF POO POO THE, THE PARKS AND REC IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING A REAL HIGH PRIORITY. WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THAT? AND I KNOW NOBODY'S GOING TO HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING. SO NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M SURE I'LL END UP ON A FACEBOOK POST SOMEWHERE. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT IS AND BOTH. OKAY, SO IN THE PAST, EVEN WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SET ASIDE THE WILL TO ENSURE THAT THAT MONEY WAS USED IN A PROPER MANNER, SOMETIMES MET WITH LOGGERHEADS. DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BETWEEN STAFF AND COUNCIL, QUITE FRANKLY. EXACTLY. LET ME JUST SAY THAT YOU'VE GOT CHAMPIONS ON COUNCIL NOW, BUT WE'VE GOT THE OTHER PROBLEM, WHICH IS TRULY WHEN I SAID THAT OUR PAST DEBT IS CONSUMING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR PARKS. I AM NOT KIDDING. WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE BASIC SERVICES, WHICH IS PART OF THE STRUGGLE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. NOT ALL OF IT, BUT PART OF IT. SO IN ORDER TO SET ASIDE THE MONEY FOR THE PARKS, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE IT'S COMING OUT OF BASICALLY BASIC SERVICES UNTIL WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THE UTILITY DEBT, THE UTILITIES THAT WE STILL NEED TO FUND AT THE MOMENT, ETC. RESTRUCTURE THAT. SO THAT SAID, I HOPE IT'S OKAY IF I SAY, KAREN, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOOKING AT BOTH THE UTILITY BUDGETS AND THE LONG TERM NEEDS THERE, IN ADDITION TO HOW THE GENERAL FUND OR AD VALOREM TAXES WERE

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IT'S PART OF THE MUNICIPAL CENTER VISION THAT WE ALL HAVE THAT JEFF WAS MENTIONING TOO.

SO I DO SEE PROGRESS. NONE OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, DONE DEAL YET. BUT I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE, AS NORMA SAID, WE'VE GOT ADVOCATES NOW ON CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT THERE WHERE WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ASIDE THAT WERE NEVER SPENT. AND I THINK HAVING YOU GUYS AS CHAMPIONS AND CLUB AS CHAMPIONS FOR DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND THEN JUST THE ADVENT OF OUR WHOLE YOUTH SPORTS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A HUGE DRIVER NOW, WHAT CAN WE DO MORE FOR THE KIDS AND THE YOUTH THAT ARE HERE, THE BIKES AND SO FORTH? IT'S BEEN A REAL SEA CHANGE. SO HANG IN THERE BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BOONDOGGLE PARK FOR A WHILE THERE. EVERYONE'S LIKE, YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG PARK AND NO ONE'S USING IT. NOW SUDDENLY IT'S OVERFLOWING WITH YOUTH SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND OTHER PEOPLE USING IT NOW. SO HANG IN THERE, KEEP PUSHING AND IT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN WE WOULD LIKE, BUT WE'LL GET THERE. AND I'M VERY EXCITED WHEN NORMA HAS TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC POSSIBILITIES AROUND LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING OR, AND WE MAY TIE IT AROUND SPECIFIC PROJECTS, EVEN THAT WE GET THE COMMUNITY EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME REALLY FUN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND EFFORTS ON THAT. THANK YOU. THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE THING. THANK YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING TO COMPLETE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THAT DOCUMENT IS SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I CANNOT STATE ENOUGH HOW MUCH THAT IS USED IN ORDER TO SHOW THE NEED AND THE WANT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. I KNOW AMONGST TIMES WHERE YOU THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD EVER LOOK AT IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING. ALL RIGHT. BE BLESSED AND CONTINUE YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. I HAVE A HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SORRY. YEAH. YOU ALMOST. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU ALMOST ESCAPED. FOR YOU. I WILL STAY RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT YOU SAID THERE IS NO PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? NO NO NO NO. NO FUNDING FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAD WE HAD A WONDERFUL DIRECTOR. SO YEAH, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE. AND THAT DEPARTMENT IS STILL EXISTING IN OUR ONE TO BE HIRED. THE CHALLENGE IS, OF COURSE, IS THE FUNDING FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING, WHICH IS WHAT DAVID STRUGGLED WITH. RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. MY CONCERN HERE IN LAGO VISTA, PARTICULARLY, HAS BEEN THE LACK OF A SOURCE OF COMMUNITY WIDE INPUT. TO HAVE A

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THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN OR THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, PRIOR BASICALLY SAID THAT RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT PARKS. THAT IS THE THAT IS THE MASTER PLAN THAT IS IN EFFECT TODAY. SO BY FINISHING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT MAKES A VERY LOUD STATEMENT. NO, WE WANT PARKS, WE WANT QUALITY OF LIFE. SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT RIGHT NOW THE EDC IS A SEPARATE CORPORATION, HOWEVER TIED TO THE CITY. BUT IT IS UNDER THE SAME SCRUTINY AND REGULATIONS AS THE CITY. SO YES, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING SHOULD BE UP AND FOREMOST AND AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. NO, YOU CAN SIT FINE. I DO APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE QUESTIONS OF COLLABORATION IS ESSENTIAL RIGHT NOW MORE THAN EVER. AND I THINK THAT TO YOUR POINT, I DO AGREE THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING AS A PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE BEING LIKE, WHAT IS OUR ROLE? WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS? AND THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO BE FIGHTING OVER MONEY. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE EVERYONE YOU KNOW IN IT ALL, COMPROMISING WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. THE SECOND THING IS THAT IT IS A NEED TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT. AND I HOPE THAT THE EDC CAN REALLY HELP US KIND OF DO MORE STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE IT'S NOT JUST THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA GROWING. I THINK I'VE ECHOED THIS IN MANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET INPUT FROM YOUNG PEOPLE. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GAP, AND I WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH THE YOUTH COMMITTEE TO SEE HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH THEM, TO GET MORE OF YOUNG PEOPLE'S VOICES WHEN IT COMES TO OUTDOORS AND RECREATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN THIS ROOM, AND THAT IS CRITICAL. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REALLY STRESS THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A GROWING BILINGUAL POPULATION, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I KEEP ON EMPHASIZING FOR THE NEED OF THAT. BUT THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

I CAN GET THAT YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. IS ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY MORE COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH. THE MAYOR HAS A YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WHEN DO THEY MEET? TOMORROW, RIGHT. YEAH, TO MEET TOMORROW. SO WE HAVE A YOUTH ADVISORY.

SEPTEMBER 1414. YES, I PLAN TO ATTEND. THAT WAS KIND OF A LATE STARTING. IT IS. WHEN DID THAT GET STARTED IN REALITY? I MEAN, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT HAS IT BEEN JUST LIKE FAIRLY RECENTLY THAT THEY GOT STARTED? I THINK IT DATES BACK TO MAYOR TIDWELL. SO IT'S BEEN BEEN IN PLACE. OKAY, OKAY. MY MISTAKE. SO, MARLENE, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS PLANNING TO ATTEND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES COMING UP WITH E-BIKES. AND ACTUALLY, MY SON HAD AN INCIDENT LAST WEEK WHERE WE BOUGHT AN E-BIKE. YES, CHEF. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHEF.

AND I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. HE NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE SHOP. BUT I THINK THERE'S A BACKLASH GOING ON AROUND YOUNG PEOPLE. JUST THEIR BIKES AND E-BIKES. AND THERE ARE VEHICLES TAILGATING YOUNG PEOPLE THROWING THEM OFF THE ROAD. AND IT'S IT'S BEING UNDERREPORTED BECAUSE THEY DON'T CATCH THE LICENSE PLATE. AND IT'S ALSO FEAR. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ATTEND THE YOUTH COMMITTEE, SO WE CAN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE YOUTH AND HOLDING SOME KIND OF TOWN HALL, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO BACKLASH AGAINST YOUNG PEOPLE USING E-BIKES IN THE CITY. SO, MARLENE, COULD I ASK YOU TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVES THERE AND REPORT BACK TO US? MOST DEFINITELY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY MEET. I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT, SO I DON'T KNOW.

ALSO, YOU GUYS CAN INVITE THEM HERE, INVITE THEM TO MEETING, HAVE THEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM AS WELL. ANYBODY ELSE GOT

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[IV.1. Parks and Recreation Director Position.]

CORRECT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. REALISTICALLY, IS IT EVEN BEING CONSIDERED BEING DROPPED AS A POSITION? I HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN, I THINK, A WORRY AMONGST PEOPLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DAVID WAS FANTASTIC IN THE POSITION. NOW HE'S GONE.

THERE'S A BIG SAVINGS IN SALARY, MAYBE NOT A BIG SAVINGS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU MOVE THAT MUCH MONEY. BUT YOU KNOW, I FEAR I FEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THEY MEANING COUNCIL AND THE NEW CM INTERIM CM ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET, SO WHY DO WE NEED A PARKS DIRECTOR? WE ALREADY HAVE GUYS THAT ARE DOING MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY CAN FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF PUBLIC WORKS. I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC THAT IS OR HOW REALISTIC A FEAR THAT IS. BUT THE VISION AND CREATIVITY THAT THAT GUY GAVE US FOR THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS, IS THAT RIGHT? AM I THINKING EIGHT, TEN MONTHS? 11? YEAH, A LONG TIME. AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT A LONG TIME IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. WE'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM HIM IN TERMS OF CREATIVITY, VISION, LOGISTICS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO PARKS. IT'S NOT JUST, OH, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, HERE'S A PARK. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT. SO WITH THE ADA COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH HANDICAPPED SPOTS AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF. WE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE HAD DAVID COME IN AND SAY HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS THE REALITY OF WHAT'S REQUIRED OF MUNICIPALITIES. AND IT'S NOT JUST PUT A PLACARD OUT THERE AND IT'S LIKE, OH, HERE'S A PARK. SO. THAT'S THE KIND OF GUY, GUY OR LADY WE'RE GOING TO NEED. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK TOO MUCH TO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL LIAISON AND CARRY THAT MESSAGE BACK TO COUNCIL THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT POSITION CONTINUE. SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION TO START. I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THANKS. WELL, LET ME JUST COMMENT. I MEAN, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE AGAINST IT. I THINK OTHER COUNCIL WOULD BE AGAINST IT, THE POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR.

AND I THINK WE GOT ENOUGH OF A PARKS AND POOL AND OTHER AMENITY FOOTPRINT NOW THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST DOING MAINTENANCE ON THE STUFF. YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO'S IN CHARGE AND DIRECTING WITH THAT STUFF. YOU'VE ALSO GOT MORE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING GOING ON NOW WITH OUR YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES, WITH THE STUFF GOING ON AT THE POOL AND SO FORTH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A BIG ENOUGH CITY. WE NEED A PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR. I WAS HOPEFUL MAYBE DAVID WAS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE'S CONSIDERING COMING BACK. NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER. LET'S LOBBY HIM. EVERYONE FIND OUT WHAT HE WANTS. NO TRYING TO HOOK HIM IN. YOU WON'T GET ANYBODY. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANYBODY BETTER. OKAY, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT ONE. AND WE CAN GET SEND YOU A CONTRACT IN THE MORNING, DAVID. NUMBER

[IV.2. Discussion regarding the Dawn Circle Park Development and budget.]

[IV.3. Discussion regarding resurfacing the pickle ball courts and golf ball study.]

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SO THE MAINTENANCE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD GET MAINTENANCE OUT OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND PERIOD, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR VARIOUS THINGS AND IT WAS ALWAYS REALLY TIGHT. THE OTHER THING WAS. I THINK THE COURT IS NOT EVEN A PARK, WHICH IS ANOTHER STICKING POINT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND I'M YOU KNOW, WHEN HE SAID IT LAST WEEK, IT WAS LIKE, I GOT RINGING ALL THESE BELLS AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THE ANSWERS. SO, SO WHEN I STARTED TALKING ABOUT TREE MITIGATION FUNDS. I WASN'T KIDDING. WHEN I SAID ON FACEBOOK, YOU KNOW, HAVING INDIVIDUALS COME FORWARD AND REALLY KIND OF SAY, HEY, RING THE BELL. YEAH. AND, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE, THESE GENTLEMEN DO AND, AND MISS LADY, MISS QUEEN, SHE'S ACTUALLY VERY GOOD. YES. THAT WAS A GOOD CALL IN TERMS OF A QUESTION BECAUSE MORE RECENTLY THE ORDINANCE HAD BEEN BROADENED TO SAY PARK. AND YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. THAT IS NOT ZONED PARK ON THE GOLF COURSE. SO. I THINK THERE IS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL TO BE HAD IN REGARD TO THIS. THERE IS A PARK FUND, SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE TREE MITIGATION. AND SO THERE REQUIRES STUDY. IN FACT, I'VE SAID ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO LOOK AT STATE STATUTE AND HELP ME OUT WITH THAT MUCH, APPRECIATE IT. IN REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE OF HOW THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED AND WHAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR. AT THE SAME TIME, THAT IS WHAT REALLY LIT A FIRE, TOO, BY THE WAY, IN REGARD TO THE EDC AS ANOTHER VENUE, I LOOK AT THINGS AS FUNDING, PATH FUNDING, PATH B, FUNDING PATH C RIGHT FUNDING PATH A IS ALWAYS TRYING TO SEE WHAT FUNDS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE CURRENTLY, OR IF THERE'S ROOM IN THE BUDGET.

THE SECOND ONE IS THROUGH GRANTS. THE THIRD ONE IS BASICALLY THROUGH COMMUNITY INITIATIVES, RIGHT. AND SPONSORSHIPS. SO THOSE STILL ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT IS YET TO BE SEEN IN TERMS OF WHERE COUNCIL, BECAUSE NOT ONE OF US CAN WISH WE COULD MOVE OUR MAGIC WAND AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. BUT IT DOES TAKE ALL SEVEN OF US TO DO THAT. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW. Y'ALL ARE CORRECT. IT IS OUR AT LEAST WHAT I'VE SEEN TO DATE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. SO I COULD BE WRONG HERE. SO OBVIOUSLY THE THE THOUGHT THEN OCCURRED TO ME, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TENNIS BALL COURTS. THAT IS ACTUALLY A, A. A SPORT AREA THAT IS PART THAT IS ZONED AS PARK, I THINK. I THINK THAT'S ZONED AS PARK AS IT'S PART OF THE UPPER BALL FIELDS. I THINK THAT'S YEAH, THAT. SO THEN I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, IS HE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE? WELL, SO I INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WAS THE GOLF, THE GOLF CLUB. RIGHT.

AND THEN ALL THESE THINGS DIDN'T ADD UP. WELL THAT WAS PULLED THAT. SO THAT GOT PULLED OUT FROM DAVID'S BUDGET. ONE OF HIS CIP PROJECTS WAS I THINK, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND IT GOT PULLED OUT AS A DECISION PACKET FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT. AND IT WAS A RESURFACE, BUT I THINK IT WAS $90,000. SO IT WASN'T JUST SLICK, MORE STUFF ON IT, BUT IT WAS SOME REMEDIATION WORK AS WELL. YEAH. SO SO IT'S $95,000 TO RESURFACE COURTS. AND THE DECISION WAS TO BE LEFT UP TO TRACK AS TO WHICH COURT THEY GAVE ATTENTION TO. THE SPORTS

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YEAH. NO THE YEAH. SO SO THE IDEA WAS TO PUT IT THERE'S A NEED FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, OBVIOUSLY NEITHER. WELL THOSE THAT EXIST AT THE GOLF COURSE ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. THE TENNIS COURTS AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THEY'RE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE EITHER. SO THE IDEA WAS THAT ONE OR THE OTHER BE COMPLETELY RESURFACED IF. BUT IT'S A PRANK CALL. IF THEY WERE TO RESURFACE THE ONES AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO CONVERT SOME OF THOSE TO PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO THE FACT THAT IT IS ON A PARK, THE FACT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO AN EXISTING PARK, I THINK THAT IT WOULD QUALIFY FOR TREE MITIGATION FUNDS. THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE OUT AT THE GOLF COURSE. SO THAT WAS WHY I WAS WONDERING IF ADAM HAD GOT THE TWO MIXED UP. WELL, I AM GOING TO SAY THAT. THEN I'LL I'LL JUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. BUT MR. VON KING DID FIGURE OUT IN TERMS OF STATE STATUTE, THAT EVEN THOUGH OUR ORDINANCE STATES THAT PARKS CAN BE BROADENED, TREE MITIGATION, POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE OF STATE LAW. BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS BETWEEN THE TWO COURTS.

DAVID. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD CLARIFICATION FOR COUNCIL. I WILL SAY THIS, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN, YOU KNOW, INFORMAL CONVERSATION THAT NEVER CAME TO TO PRAC. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN ON THAT, ALTHOUGH I KNEW THAT WAS YOUR WISH, BUT YOU WERE ALREADY GONE AT THAT POINT. YOU HAD TO HEAR THE IMPROVEMENTS WERE I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I WAS COMPLETELY SHOCKED, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. YEAH. SAME.

YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW. SO YEAH, I'M SURPRISED. SO CAN I, CAN I ASK DAVID? HE RAISED HIS HAND AND BRING YOU UP DAVID, AND CHIME YOUR $0.02 IN. THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION. I DID WRITE IT ON THE CARD, BUT MY HANDWRITING IS ATROCIOUS. WHEN IT STARTED LOOKING BAD, THAT'S WHEN I WROTE EVERYTHING ELSE. WAS THE WIFE. LOOK AT MINE. WHAT NORMA ALLUDED TO.

BASICALLY, WITH MITIGATION FUNDS, ANY FEE IN LIEU OF OR ANY, ANY TYPE OF FEE COLLECTED IN THAT MANNER, IT IS BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU ARE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY OR THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THAT BY SAYING, YOU GOT TO PAY MONEY.

IF YOU DO ANY OF THOSE FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND PROPORTIONATELY FIX THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE CLAIMING THEY CAUSED. SO THERE HAS TO BE A NEXUS THAT'S VERY EASY TO ARTICULATE. AND THE ARGUMENT HERE IS, HEY, JILLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CUT DOWN A TREE IN YOUR FRONT YARD BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PUT A PARK OR A BENCH THERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PROVE IN COURT.

AND THERE'S SEVERAL LAWSUITS LIKE KUNTZ VERSUS SAINT JOHNS RIVER. I, I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THE LIST SHEETS VERSUS COUNTY OF EL DORADO IS A REALLY GOOD ONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED WHERE WE CAN'T COLLECT MITIGATION FUNDS OR FEES IN LIEU OF WITHOUT IT BEING A PROPORTIONAL EXCHANGE OF MONEY. SO IF THE CITY WANTED TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE BULL ROCK IN YOUR FRONT YARD BECAUSE IT KILLS OFF ALL THE NATIVE FLOWERS AND GRASS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FEE. AND WE COLLECTED A FEE FOR THAT. THE CITY WOULD THEN HAVE TO GET WILDFLOWER SEEDS AND SPREAD THEM ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, EVEN THOUGH WE SAID WE CREATED A LAW OR AN ORDINANCE HERE, SORRY, THAT SAID NAVARRO, WE CAN TOTALLY USE IT FOR THAT. THE STATE WOULD STEP ON US IN AN INSTANT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF AUDITS GOING DOWN RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A REALLY BAD PLAN, BUT THE TREATMENT FUNDS ALSO HAVE TO GET USED. SITTING ON THEM IS ALSO A VIOLATION. YOU CAN'T COLLECT FEES SAYING, NO, WE GOT TO FIX THIS, DUDE, GIVE US YOUR MONEY. THANKS. SO WITH THE OTHER PARKS, BUDGETS, ALL OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE, THERE IS GREENERY INVOLVED IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE. WE JUST NEED TO START ACTUALLY PUTTING THAT LINE ITEM IN THERE, DOCUMENTING IT WELL, AND THEN THAT TAKES DOWN FROM SOME OF THE OTHER BUDGET AND THEN IT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE WEREN'T A CITY USING SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. WE'LL USE A TREE MITIGATION FUNDS TO BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT. IF THAT WAS MY WALLET, WE'RE USING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, SO WE REALLY HAVE TO ARTICULATE AND MAKE

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A CREATIVE WAY TO USE IT WOULD BE, LET'S GO BUY SOME TREES THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, TEN, 15 YEARS OLD THAT ARE TALL ENOUGH AND WE CAN PLANT THE TREES AND PUT MESH BETWEEN THE TREES. SO THERE'S CREATIVE WAYS TO STILL USE. WE PLANTED TREES AND USED THEM. THE EDC IS LOOKING AT WAYFINDING. WE COULD USE WE COULD PLANT REALLY BEAUTIFUL SPECIFIC TREE THAT LOT. WE WANT LOGO TO BE IDENTIFIED FOR AND PUT OUR WAYFINDING SIGNS ON IT. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF WAYS TO USE IT TO BEAUTIFY AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT IT JUST HAS TO HAVE A DIRECT NEXUS OF CORRELATION. AND I'M ALSO NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T WANT PICKLEBALL COURTS. IT'S JUST IT HAS TO BE. AND THE POCKET PARK, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THE REASON THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT DOWN AS POCKET PARKS IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE MOSTLY GREENERY NATURAL. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE BROUGHT IN, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A REDUNDANT WAY TO SAY IT, HEY, WE CAN USE THESE FUNDS FOR TREES AND GREENERY, BUT ALSO TREES AND GREENERY AT THAT SPOT. IT JUST WASN'T REQUIRED. AND THAT'S HOW THIS KIND OF SNOWBALLED INTO A OOPS. I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE I REVIEW THE ORDINANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS WAS FOR TREE CANOPY AND LANDSCAPING AND NATIVE VEGETATION. AND AS I LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES TO IN TERMS. IT'S ALSO LOCALLY DEFINING WHAT YOU MEAN BY TREE MITIGATION AND VEGETATION. AND YOU CAN GET VERY CREATIVE WITH THE LANGUAGE IN ITSELF, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT STIPULATES PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THAT CAN MEAN ANYTHING. AND THAT WAS NOT WELL DEFINED. AND I THINK THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY IN A WAY. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT NEEDED TO BE DEFINED AND WE NEEDED TO DEFINE, BECAUSE YOU CAN INCORPORATE LANGUAGE LIKE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU CAN INCORPORATE TRAILS. AND AS YOU ARE SAYING, YOU CAN THEN INCORPORATE THIS AS THE NEXUS BETWEEN TREE, TREE CANOPY AND NATIVE VEGETATION. AND NEXUS WOULD BE, YOU CAN DO THAT. CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GO BACK AND REVISE THAT LANGUAGE HONESTLY, BUT ADDING THE WORD NEXUS IN THERE, IT'S ALREADY WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES, BUT THAT WOULD HELP OPEN IT UP. STILL KEEP IT BROAD ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN GO CLEAN UP OUR HUGE FUEL PILE OF FIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T KILL OFF THE REST OF THE TREES WITH DISEASE. OH, THE OAK WILT. WE CAN GO GET THE OAK WILT VACCINE AND START HELPING OUR TREES AND NOT HIRING PEOPLE TO SPREAD IT. SO I THANK YOU. PLEASE. THANK YOU.

MIGHT HAVE TO SAY IT ALL TOGETHER THAT YOU WANT YOUR LIAISON TO, HEY, BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL TO ADD THE WORD NEXUS SO WE DON'T CAUSE AN EXACTION WITH THE WORD. I WAS JUST HAPPY WE WERE ABLE TO BROADEN IT FROM POCKET PARK. YEAH, RIGHT. BECAUSE POCKET PARK WAS PUT IN THERE. THEY USED THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THEY HAD PLANNED TO DO WAS LITTLE BITTY MINI PARKS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE EVER THOUGHT WE COULD GET MONEY FOR AT THAT TIME. SO IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD THE WORDS ADDING THE WORDS PER STATE LAW BE SUFFICIENT? I THINK THAT WOULD AT LEAST GET PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT. INSTEAD OF US HAVING A THREE YEAR FACEBOOK CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THE LANGUAGE AND BE MORE DEFINITE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE MEANING BY PARK IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE IF NOT, THAT'S GOING TO BE RESURFACING, THAT'S GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONCRETE. THAT'S THAT CAN ENTAIL MANY THINGS. AND I DO THINK IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO REVISE THE LANGUAGE AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT. SO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL. WE CAN ALWAYS YEAH, WE CAN ALWAYS UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.

WE CAN ALWAYS UPDATE. I THINK WE SHOULD. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT AS A AS A WORK ITEM AND PROPOSE A, SOME REVISED LANGUAGE. YES. I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE WORDS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT WAS GOOD. AND, AND THERE ARE WAYS TO WORD IT SO THAT IT CAN BE UTILIZED TO ENHANCE PARKS, BUT NOT FOR CONCRETE, NOT FOR. YEAH. SUCH AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S WAYS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK AROUND IT WITH LANGUAGE AND, AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A WORK ITEM FOR US, I THINK. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU WANT TO COMMENT? SURE. GO AHEAD. MAY I RECOMMEND THE TERMS ENSURING THERE IS A GREEN NEXUS THAT THE FUNDS ARE USED TO PROVIDE. JUST

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YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS GOOD. ITEM FOR DISCUSSION REGARDING THE WHAT WE'RE

[IV.4. Discussion regarding a walkway at Sunset Park.]

AS A FIXED ASSET. YOU WANTED ME. WAS THAT IN YOUR CORE OPERATING BUDGET OR WAS IT? IT WAS OKAY.

YEAH. WE DID NOT GET PULLED OUT AS A DECISION PACKAGE ITEM. SO IT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S STILL IN THERE. NO ONE'S TAKING IT OUT. SO PULL IT UP THE REPORT. NOW I'LL TRY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE WE THANK YOU. NO APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSION OF

[IV.5. Discussion of Upcoming Committee Positions. The deadline to apply for Boards, Commissions and Committees is November 5, 2026.]

SO EVERYTHING'S UP FOR DEBATE. OKAY, OKAY. ANYBODY, ANYBODY, ANYBODY WANT TO. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S HAVE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF A SHOW OF HANDS, SORT OF WHO IS LEANING TOWARDS STAYING. YEAH. ANYBODY? YEAH. ANYBODY LEAVING OR STAYING? LET'S GO WITH STAYING.

ANYBODY OR EVERYBODY STAYING. I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE UNLESS I RESIGN. SO I'M STAYING.

YEAH. I'M PLANNING ON STAYING. I'LL RENEW IF NOBODY'S GOT ANY OBJECTIONS. I MEAN, I, I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO BRING TO THE TABLE, BUT NOT A LOT. YOUR, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY HERE IS IS COULD BE A BOOK. YEAH. YEAH. HE'S PLANNING ON HE'S NOT RENEWING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WILL GIVE US ONE POSITION WE NEED. I'M GOOD. I'M IN. YOU'RE IN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK POSITIONS. YEAH. OFFICES. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AT SOME POINT. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ALL GOING TO FORCE ME TO DO IT AGAIN, I'LL DO IT AGAIN. BUT I KNOW I'VE GOT NO, I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO, BUT THERE YOU GO. WELL WITHOUT DAVID. RIGHT. YOU NEED YOU. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT INS AND OUTS. I JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MARK, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE A MORE THAN A FULL TIME JOB. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO. I CAN BRING THINGS TO THE TABLE, BUT I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE TIME TO MAKE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING. WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS OF THE

[IV.6. Discussion of Parks survey]

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THAT'S ALL I HAD. COOL. OKAY. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS IF WE'RE NOT READY TO TO DO THE PRESENTATION. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO ARE WE READY YET? OH, SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO JUST NOW IS JUST BRING PEOPLE UP TO DATE OF HOW WE GOT THERE TO THE SAME WHERE WE'RE AT. SO I CAN DO IT EITHER NOW OR AFTER. SO THAT'S COOL. OKAY. YOU, I, I'M SO, SO HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. OBVIOUSLY, WE SET UP A, A SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO OR IS DOING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THAT WAS MYSELF, CAROLYN AND MARK AT THE OTHER END DOWN THERE. WE WERE ASKED TO BY COUNCIL TO COME. WELL, ORIGINALLY WE PRESENTED SOME STUFF FOR WHAT WE THOUGHT WE CALLED LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT DIDN'T GO DOWN AS WELL AS WE HOPED. COUNCIL ASKED US THEN TO COME BACK WITH OUR 25 TOP ITEMS. AT THAT POINT WE SAID, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOP 25 IS, SO WE HAD TO GO OUT AND SURVEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, GET AS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED AS POSSIBLE. WE WE GOT A, A SURVEY. WE DIDN'T, WE BASED IT OFF A VERY WELL RECOGNIZED COMPANY AND NATIONAL COMPANY. SO WE KIND OF, WE DIDN'T PLAGIARIZE IT. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE TWEAKED IT, WE LOOKED AT IT, WE SIT DOWN AND KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT IT. WE REALIZED IT WAS LONG. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS LONG, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY. THE, THE REASON WHY WE GOT IT LONG IS BECAUSE I HAD AN ARGUMENT AT THE TIME, AND IT'S JUST HAPPENED TO ME AGAIN. I JUST FLEW TO FLORIDA. YEAH.

THEY THEY SEND YOU THE EMAIL. I SURE DO. AND YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY ON THE PLANE AND I, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YEAH, WELL, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. SO I JUST PENCIL WHIPPED THE WHOLE THING JUST TO GET IT OVER AND DONE WITH. SO THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT WAS WE WANTED TO ENGAGE PEOPLE.

SO YOU COULDN'T PENCIL WHIP IT. SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE ARRIVED AT THIS SURVEY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING ANY CLOSER BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAY. SO THE THE OLD SURVEYS WERE NOW TWO AND A HALF YEARS OUT OF DATE FROM HALF. SO OBVIOUSLY BACK THEN THERE WAS SKATE PARKS ON IT. THERE WAS NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT E-BIKES BECAUSE THEY REALLY HADN'T TAKEN OFF AT THAT POINT. SO THIS IS WHY WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GO OUT AND HAVE A SURVEY

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POWERPOINT SUMMARY, WHICH WAS GREAT. IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE READABLE THAT WAY. BUT YEAH, IT'S YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY US THREE HAVE LOOKED AT IT PRAC HASN'T AS A GROUP HASN'T LOOKED AT IT. THIS IS BRAND NEW. SO THIS IS UP FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S FIRST TIME TO VIEW IT. THIS WAS CREATED BASICALLY BETWEEN DAVID'S GUIDANCE AND THE THREE OF US BECAUSE THAT WAS THE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE.

YES. AND WE, WE, WE SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS SURVEY, I THINK OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, CHARLES BLASTER, AND WE PUT IT OUT. WE TRIED TO GET IN VARIOUS GROUPS, YOUTH GROUPS TRY TO GO TO SPORTS FIELDS. WE WENT TO THE ISD EVERYWHERE WE COULD THINK OF. YEAH, CHURCHES. YEAH.

CHURCHES. YEAH. I THINK I PUT IT OUT TO THE LIONS. IT GOT BLASTED EVERYWHERE. SO. ARE WE GETTING ANY CLOSER? NORMAL. I'M SORRY. NO, SORRY. SORRY. WELL, DO YOU MIND IF I. YEAH. GO FOR IT. YEAH, ALL THE TIME. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS WILL NOT BE POPULAR. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY'S AWARE, BUT THERE IS A CITY COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT IS NOT. IT'S A ONE WAY CONVERSATION. YOU CAN LOOK IN ON COUNCIL MEMBERS CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OTHER. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OR AVENUE TO ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION UNLESS YOU EMAIL THEM. PROBABLY THIS AUGUST 19TH MAY HAVE BEEN A WEEK OR TEN DAYS, MAYBE EVEN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE BEFORE THE SURVEY EVEN CLOSED. SHANE, OUR MAYOR, BASICALLY DID ABOUT A 20 PARAGRAPH. DISSERTATION WITH FIVE, MAYBE SIX POINTS TRYING TO DISCREDIT THE SURVEY ESSENTIALLY TOO LONG. I QUESTIONED THIS, I QUESTIONED THAT, I QUESTIONED THIS, I QUESTIONED THAT I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, KAREN, BECAUSE YOU GLOMMED ON WITH YOUR USUAL I DON'T TRUST SURVEYS. WE ARE TRYING TO GET A GAUGE OF PUBLIC SENTIMENT. THE RESIDENTS. AND IF YOU JUST POOH POOH, YOU KNOW I DON'T TRUST THE SURVEY. I DON'T TRUST THE SURVEY. I DON'T TRUST THE SURVEY. I QUESTION THIS, I QUESTION THAT, I QUESTION THIS, I QUESTION THAT WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? MOISTEN OUR FINGER, STICK IT IN THE WIND, SEE WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING. SO HANG ON, LET ME FINISH PLEASE. I ALSO PUSHED BACK ON WHAT HE WAS SAYING. DID YOU FIND THAT? YES, I DID, AND MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE HEARING THE SAME STUFF TODAY THAT WE HEARD NINE YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO. ALL THE MONEY HAS TO GO TO INFRASTRUCTURE OR TO THE GOLF COURSE. WE'RE ALWAYS BEHIND ON THAT. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR PARKS AND SUPPORTED WHAT YOU GUYS WERE DOING, THAT YOU WERE DOING AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF WORK TO GO OUT AND GATHER DATA FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS, INCLUDING YOUTH SPORTS AT THE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH, TO GET A GOOD RESULT IN ON THE SURVEY. AND IT WAS ALREADY CLEAR FROM THE HALF SURVEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE THAT THE ENTIRE TOWN IS VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT MORE PARKS AND NATURAL SPACES, TRAILS, ETC. SO THAT'S ALWAYS THAT TO ME. THAT'S ALREADY TABLE STAKES. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. SO YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING OUT ADDITIONAL DETAIL. NOW THE POINT IS, IS SHANE OR NEITHER SHANE NOR YOU OR NORMA. AND NORMA WAS A LITTLE SOFTER IN HER APPROACH, REALLY HAD EVEN SEEN ANY OF THE DATA. THE DATA WAS STILL TWO WEEKS AWAY. YOU'LL SEE IT HERE. AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF IN THE HALF REPORT. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT COMING BACK AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THE THINGS THAT YOU DID SAY. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY.

EMBARRASSING THAT OUR MAYOR WAS TRYING TO DISCREDIT A SURVEY OF RESIDENTS. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL EXPECT US TO DO TO GAUGE PUBLIC SENTIMENT IF WE CAN'T DO A SURVEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO JUST TRY TO PICK APART THE METHODOLOGY, WHY? WHY ARE WE HERE? I MEAN, YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN HAVE P RAC HERE AND JUST DO IT YOURSELVES. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ANYWAY, QUITE FRANKLY. BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET A GAUGE OF PUBLIC

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THERE IS ALSO A GOOD THING TO DO, SO IT'S A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH. I WILL SAY. I TRULY APPLAUD MARLENE FOR BEING AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, BECAUSE I DID SOME DOOR KNOCKING RECENTLY AND FOUND OUT THAT WHO KNEW? A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AND WOULD LIKE TO CONNECT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY, ERIC, ARE YOU THE POINT OF CONTACT NOW FOR FROM NOW ON? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO WE PROBABLY JUST NEED YOUR LIKE I DON'T HAVE YOUR EMAIL OR CONTACT INFORMATION. I CAN SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. DID YOU SEND IT TO ME? RIGHT. I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU. YEAH, WELL, I JUST INCLUDED HIM ON THE EMAIL TO YOU, TOO. SO. YEAH. SO. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO WHIZZ THROUGH THIS BECAUSE AS I SAY, THIS IS RAW DATA. READ IT ANYWAY. YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S REALLY SMALL. YOU CAN ZOOM IT. MAYBE I'M NOT CONTROLLING ENORMOUS CONTROL. I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR. I CAN BARELY SEE THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. SO IT'S LONG NORMA. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW

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YEAH, YEAH. WE'VE GOT SOME CONCLUSIONS TO MAKE BASED ON SOME OF THAT. SO YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET TO THE DATA. YEAH. SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS I WANTED TO PUT UP THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RAW DATA, SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND INTERPRET IT THEMSELVES BEFORE WE INTERPRET IT AND HAVE A LOOK AT IT. SO I, I CAN JUST WHIP THROUGH WHAT'S ON MY COMPUTER, EVEN IF IT'S NOT EVEN MATCHING WHAT'S KNOWN AS 190 RESPONSES, RIGHT? IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S ONLY 190 RESPONSES, RIGHT? SO THE. SORRY, MARK HARRISON, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF WHAT THE HALF RESPONSES WERE. AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH. YEAH. YES. IT'S 300 TO YEAH. EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU KNOW WE ALL KNOW. SURVEYS DON'T GET FILLED OUT BY 12000 PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY YOU KNOW. SO YOU KNOW IT'S WELL I'LL GO THROUGH IT ANYWAY. DO YOU WANT TO JUST FLIP THROUGH THE PAGES AS I SAY NEXT AND. OH, OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY IT WAS OPEN FOR 48 DAYS. WE GOT 190 RESPONSES. AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERY LINE ON THIS NEXT THE PRACTICE SURVEY. SO THESE ARE DEMOGRAPHICS. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BOTTOM PART'S FILLED OUT, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU TAKE THE MEDIAN OUT OF THAT, IT'S PROBABLY 55. THAT'S PROBABLY OUR AVERAGE AGE GROUP OF WHO'S FILLING THIS IN NEXT. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, PUT MY HANDS UP. I AM NOT HERE REPRESENTING THE LV LOCAL PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, EVEN THOUGH I WORK FOR THEM. BUT IT'S A HUGE. IT'S A HUGE PART OF THE CITY PARKS BECAUSE WE GET MIXED UP A LOT WHEN WE WHEN THE CITY AND EVERYBODY ORIGINALLY FIRST STARTED, IT WAS 100% OF LV MEMBERS WITHIN THE CITY. SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A PARKS DEPARTMENT, OBVIOUSLY, AS THE CITY'S GROWN, THE POA CANNOT GROW. SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CANNOT GET INTO PARKS IS ON THE INCREASE. AND WE'RE AT ABOUT 1 IN 4 AT THE MOMENT. THEY CANNOT GET INTO THE PARKS. RIGHT NEXT. LET'S BLOW. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS HAVE YOU BEEN TO ANY OF THE PARKS? AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLUE IS NOW THE THE, THE BROWN IS. YES. WE'VE BEEN. OBVIOUSLY THE TWO THAT. OH SORRY, THE OBVIOUSLY THE, THE LEAST VISITED PARK IS BAD AND POINT AND THE MOST FREQUENTLY VISITED PARK IS THE SPORTS COMPLEX. SO HERE'S HERE'S A LITTLE SUMMARY POINT. THE KEY POINTS HERE. SURVEY RESPONDER RESPONDENTS WERE PRIMARILY 50 PLUS 80% OF THE RESPONDENTS LIVE IN THE POA. THE CITY UTILIZED. CITY PARKS ARE FREQUENTLY USED. UTILIZED WITH SPORTS CENTER SUNSET. FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. PARK. LV DOESN'T SERVE. YOU SAID THAT 1 IN 4 RESIDENTS AND 39% OF RENTERS WITHIN THE LV POA CANNOT GET INTO THE PARKS. JUST A LITTLE QUICK THING ON THAT IS IF YOU'RE IF YOU RENT YOUR HOUSE OUT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GO INTO THE PARK.

YOU PASS THEM TO YOUR RENTER. NOT ALL RENTERS WANT TO DO THAT. SO THERE'S YOUR 39%. OBVIOUSLY, THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING AS PLACES LIKE TERCEIRA ARE GROWING, AND WE'LL CARRY ON GROWING. AND AS I SAID, MANY RESIDENTS CONFUSE THE CITY AND THE POA TOGETHER. OKAY, NEXT. I CAN'T EVEN READ IT MYSELF. ALICIA. IT'S SO SMALL. PLEASE. YEAH, I'LL PUT IT UP. SORRY. I

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SURVEY RESULTS PLEASE, PLEASE CHECK ALL THE RESULTS. THE REASONS WHY MEMBERS OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. OH GOSH. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT FAR AND AWAY THE LEADER IN THAT STATUS. THE CITIZENS DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OFFERED BY THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T SEE IT. YEAH, I'LL FILL YOU. ERIC IS GOING TO KEEP GOING. YAY! SO NOT KNOWING WHAT IS OFFERS BY FAR THE. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. THE BIGGEST THING. SO NEXT WE'LL JUST THIS 28 SLIDES. SO WE NEED TO WHIP THROUGH THESE 13 RESULTS. LEVEL OF SATISFACTION. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IT'S PEOPLE ARE PRETTY SATISFIED WITH I'D SAY 5050 A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF THINGS, THE QUALITY OF SPECIAL EVENTS, VARIOUS THINGS WE'RE ASKING THERE. NEXT SURVEY RESULTS, WHICH THREE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE THE WHAT THEY LIKE WITHIN THE CITY. NOW WE'RE ASKING THEM TO RANK THE TOP THREE. SO YOU OBVIOUSLY NOW GET A DIFFERENT GRAPH OUT OF THAT, WHICH EMPHASIZES, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL TICK. YES. BUT THEN WHEN YOU ASK THEM WHICH THREE, RIGHT. TOP TEN, FIVE ITEMS FOR, FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, SAFETY IN PARKS, TRAIL QUALITY OF QUALITY OF SPECIAL EVENTS, MAINTENANCE OF PARKS AND TRAILS, QUALITY OF OF NATURAL AREA UPKEEP. THAT'S WHAT LANDSCAPING AND STUFF AND WAY WAYFINDING SIGNAGE. RIGHT NEXT. 115 SURVEY RESULTS. HAVE A VERY LISTED BELOW INDICATE. SO THIS IS ASKING HOW WE. BELOW INDICATE HOW WELL YOUR NEEDS ARE CURRENTLY. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'VE. WE'VE PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT AND ASKED, HOW ARE WE DOING AS A CITY? AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GENERAL ANSWER IS NOT VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DISGRUNTLED WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. THE VARIETY, AGAIN, THE SAME THING I THINK THIS IS I THINK THIS IS JUST SAYING THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THIS, WHAT YOU SAID ARE WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT OLDER CITIZENS AND YEAH, RIGHT AROUND THE AGE OF 55, 60 AREN'T PLAYING BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL. THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT TO THE DOG. THEY'RE NOT OUTDOOR PEOPLE. SO BUT I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF A LOT OF INFORMATION AND DATA THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT AND NOT WASTE OUR TIME ON IT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S JUST WHY I'M RUSHING THROUGH THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS, AS I SAY, THIS IS RAW DATA. HEY, ANDREW, SORRY, WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENT IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. THE REASON IS I'M GOING TO BE VERY FRANK. DON'T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY, BUT THIS IS MAKING ME WANT TO POKE MY EYES OUT ALMOST AS MUCH AS WHEN I TOOK THE SURVEY. AND I'M SORRY, BUT CRITICISM HELPS YOU IMPROVE THINGS. AND I COULD HAVE WRITTEN A DISSERTATION TO ACCOMPANY THE MAYOR'S. ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T READ HIS. AND IT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE MOST PAINFUL SURVEYS I'VE EVER TRIED TO DO

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PEOPLE CARE. BECAUSE, I MEAN, I FELT LIKE I, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE 192 PEOPLE DID IT. SO, SO, SO I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ON IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PENCIL WHIP SOMETHING AND GET TEN, 000 PEOPLE OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE LESS RESULTS? BUT QUALITY AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS TURNED OUT TO BE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAYOR AND WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT HE MIGHT HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH SURVEYS AND WHAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF THEM, WHAT YOU CAN'T GET AT THEM. THAT WAS LIKE WAY TOO LONG. IT WAS WAY TOO BROAD. IT'S NOT A TARGETED SURVEY AT ALL. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET RESULTS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE RULE, YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO REMEMBER SEVEN THINGS WITH SURVEYS IS THE MOST, THE MOST YOU WANT TO ASK IS LIKE SEVEN QUESTIONS. THE MOST, THE ABSOLUTE MOST I NO, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I WILL SAY COMMENTING LIKE 192. HOLY CRAP. THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU SAY, DO YOU WANT AN AMPHITHEATER, YES OR NO, I'M SORRY. IF YOU WANT AN AMPHITHEATER, YES OR NO. AND YOUR NEXT QUESTIONS. DO YOU WANT A, YOU KNOW, A BIKE TRACK, YES OR NO? AND YOU ASK SIX QUESTIONS. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANT HORSEBACK RIDING? IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE IT, THEY WILL NEVER GET ANSWERED.

YEAH, I KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN FORMAT WOULD BE BETTER. AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING LIKE AI EVALUATE IT AFTERWARDS. RIGHT? AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN YOUR PARKS AND LET PEOPLE OPEN? THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITIES REALLY TO GIVE OPEN ANSWERS TO IT. AND IT REQUIRED ANSWERS WHERE, FRANKLY, I DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT, RIGHT? I HAD TO GO BACK AND THEN GO BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT TOOK ME PROBABLY AN HOUR TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DAMN THING, BECAUSE I HAD TO KEEP GOING BACK AND FINDING OUT WHERE I FORGOT TO GIVE AN ANSWER. I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. I DO THINK THAT THE SURVEY WAS LONG. YEAH, I DO THINK THAT AGAIN, THIS IS THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, GREAT EFFORT TO DO IT AND EVERYTHING AND YES, ACCOLADES THERE. BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE MAYOR. THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE, RIGHT? HOW YOU GET THE HOW YOU GET THE CITIZENS INPUT, NOTHING. YOU GET A LOT MORE IF YOU DID MORE SMALL SURVEYS AS OPPOSED TO ONE HUGE ONE. AND I THINK BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN IS GETTING REVIEW, THE REASONING BEHIND THAT TO CREATE THE SURVEY WAS TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE TIME HAD GONE BY. BUT AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND WE HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE SOME CONSISTENCY OF TRYING TO GET MORE OF THAT ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. AND YES, REDUCE THE QUESTIONS AND REALLY RELOOK AT THIS AND SEE HOW WE WE CAN MAKE IT. BUT I DO COMMEND THE GROUP. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EASY TO COLLECT SURVEY RESULTS. I'M VERY I MEAN, I MYSELF AM SHOCKED LIKE 192 VOTES OR 190.

YEAH. THIS IS GREAT. Y'ALL. DID ALL OF Y'ALL ACTUALLY FILL IT OUT? I'D BE AMAZED IF ALL OF Y'ALL. YEAH, I FILLED OUT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, IT SHOWED THINGS THAT WEREN'T ON THERE FROM LAST TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE BIKES HAVE COME OUT REALLY HIGH ON THERE. I MEAN, LAKE ACCESS HAS COME OUT ON THERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE LAKE ACCESS I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS A PO A MEMBER, I'VE GOT NINE PARKS I CAN GET INTO. YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE CAN'T GET TO A SINGLE PARK, DOESN'T HAVE LAKE ACCESS. SO I BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THE I'M NOT SAYING IT'S VALUELESS.

RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M GIVING YOU MY EXPERIENCE IN TAKING. YEAH, YEAH. AND I JUST WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN THE BIKE STUFF BECAUSE I WANT TO PROMOTE BIKE STUFF. I WANT TO HAVE THIS BE LIKE A RESORT TOWN. AND I THINK IT'S THE BEST ASSET IN INFRASTRUCTURE WE COULD HAVE.

AND COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED ABOUT COMMUNITY CENTER BEFORE, AND THAT WAS OFF THE CHARTS. I MEAN, I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT. I WAS ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED BY THAT. I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HIGH, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE. AND ONE LAST THING IS NOT RELATED TO THE SURVEY. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL AS A COMMITTEE TO USE THE EDC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, OR ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU'RE GETTING OUTSIDE FUNDING AND IT'S RUN MORE LIKE A CORPORATION THAN A GOVERNMENT. IF YOU WANT TO LEAN ON THEM, GET THEIR HELP, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY TO GET YOU FUNDING THAN THE CITY WILL. SO YEAH, I AGREE. SO, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH, THIS WILL BE IN A SMALL FORMAT,

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THIS STILL, BUT I THINK 16 OR NOT. 1617 ACTUALLY KIND OF INTERESTING. YEAH, IT REALLY SHOWS THE TOP THREE, TOP FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO PRIORITIES. THAT COUNCIL ASKED DOG PARKS, INDOOR COMMUNITY CENTER. I THINK WHAT ELSE IS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGES, A SUMMARY OF BASICALLY. SO SO THE SUMMARY WAS THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH WAS. HERE YOU GO, NORMAN.

THIS WAS CHEER YOU UP. FIRST ONE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR NOW IS AN AN INDOOR COMMUNITY CENTER SLASH GYM. THE SECOND ONE IS A PARK, A DOG PARK, THIRD TRAILS, SHORELINE AT LAKE ACCESS NATURE WILDLIFE REVIEW IT INC. SWIMMING POOL, PARK, RESTROOMS, BIKE TRAILS, SHADE BOAT RAMPS. THAT'S OUR TOP TEN WE GOT OUT OF THIS SURVEY. DOES THAT LINE UP WITH THE HALF ONE? SOME OF IT DOES. YOU KNOW, WE AS I SAY, WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AGAIN. I'LL FLIP THROUGH TO THIS NEXT RESULT PAGE. THE TOP FIVE ITEMS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS IS SAFETY FOR THE PARKS AND TRAILS, QUALITY OF SPECIAL OF SPECIAL EVENTS, MAINTENANCE OF PARKS, QUALITY OF NATURAL AREA UPKEEP AND WAYFINDING AND SIGNAGE AT THE TOP FIVE FOR THAT. OH, SORRY. YEAH, I'M WAY, WAY AHEAD OF YOU NOW. KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT LIST. YEAH. SO THAT WAS 21 AND A BIT I GUESS, AND A SO NOW IF WE FLICK DOWN TO 24, THE MOST IMPORTANT TRAIL FEATURES, WHICH IS TRAIL TRAILS CONNECTING DESIGNATIONS WITHIN LAGO VISTA, RESTROOMS, BENCHES, PARKS, PATHWAYS, TRAILS, NATURE TRAILS, BIKE LANES, PATH BIKE LANES ON PATHS AND TRAILS, SHADE WATER STATIONS, NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS TO TRAILS, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, BASICALLY, TO SUMMARIZE THAT PEOPLE LOOKING FOR CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT LAGO VISTA, WHICH WE DID IN 2022, I BELIEVE THAT CAME UP THEN. SO THAT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED. AND THAT IS REALLY THE THE NITTY GRITTY. SO THE FINAL SUMMARY PAGE RESULTS, MOST IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKS AND PARKS AND RECREATION, RECREATION, UPDATING EXISTING PARKS WITH NEW AMENITIES. EXPAND THE CITY WIDE CITYWIDE TRAIL SYSTEM, MAINTAINING MAINTAINING EXISTING CITY PARKS AND AMENITIES. ACQUIRE MORE LAND FOR PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION OF NATURAL AREAS. RESTORE NATURAL AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OWNED PARKS AND LAND. BUILD CITY PARKS AND FACILITIES AROUND TOWN. SEVEN ACQUIRE LAND FOR LAKE ACCESS EIGHT. EXPAND RECREATION PROGRAMING NINE. EXPAND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMING INCLUDING NATURE, EDUCATION AND PROGRAMING. TEN INSTALL A BOAT RAMP. SO SOME OF SOME OF THIS WHAT WE ASKED IN PROGRAMING BACK IN THERE WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING PEOPLE WERE AFTER WAS.

OUTDOOR RECREATION PROGRAMING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT OTHER THAN. SPORTS ON WITHIN ON THE LAKE, FISHING, KAYAKING, THAT SORT OF THING. THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBER ONE THING WAS.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH HOW DO YOU GET TO THE LAKE? AND THEN IF I WENT DOWN TO THE NEXT SET OF RESULTS, OOPS, THE LAST PAGE. THE ASK THE SURVEY RESULTS, ASK THE

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OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, 192 NOT GREAT, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, IT'S TWO THIRDS OF THE PRAC WHICH SORRY, TWO THIRDS OF THE HALF. I MEAN, IT'S NOT DIABOLICAL, BUT IT'S NOT GREAT. SO IT NEEDS TO INCREASE. STILL GIVE SOME MEMORIES SENSE OF DIRECTION. NEED TO COMPARE IT TO THE HALF SURVEY RESULTS OF 2025. WE LEARNED TO LEARNED. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC. NEED DEDICATED FUNDING FOR LARGE SCALE PROJECTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME OUT OF IT. THERE WAS A SURPRISE IN. IN NUMBER 29. SO WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE HERE IN 29. LISTEN, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED BY THIS. AND THE BOTTOM THREE, I AM WILLING TO PAY ADDITIONAL CITY TAXES AND OR CONTRIBUTE BOND INITIATIVES TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF EXISTING CITY PARKS AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. I MEAN, THAT'S 5050. I'M WILLING TO PAY ADDITIONAL CITY TAXES AND CONSIDER BOND INITIATIVE TO DEVELOP NEW CITY, NEW CITY OF LAGO, VISTA PARKS AND RECREATION. THAT'S PROBABLY 45, 65, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS I'M WILLING TO PAY ADDITIONAL CITY TAXES AND CONSIDERATION FOR BOND INITIATIVES TO PURSUE TO PURCHASE LAND, LAKE ACCESS, DEVELOP BOAT RAMPS, ETC. THAT ACTUALLY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TRACTION. BUT I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED BY SOME OF THOSE RESULTS BECAUSE GENERALLY, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PART WITH MONEY. SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT PRESENTATION. IT'S DIABOLICAL REALLY, BUT WE'VE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET BACK TO EVERYBODY NEXT MONTH WITH PROPER SLIDE SHOW. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS UP. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN NOW SEE IT ONLINE AND INTERPRET IT THEMSELVES. I MEAN, THERE'S 29 PAGES OF IT. WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL CONDENSE IT AND GET IT INTO THE, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. OKAY. HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? WELL, I JUST HOPE FROM THE LAST SURVEY THAT THAT WE DID, THE DATA WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME AND NOTHING CAME OF IT. SO I JUST HOPE THAT'S DIFFERENT THIS TIME THAT WE ASK, YOU KNOW, THE FEW PEOPLE THAT DID RESPOND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAYBE ACTUALLY CONSIDER THE DATA THAT'S GIVEN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IT, DO SOMETHING WITH IT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE FOR MYSELF, AFTER SEEING THE SURVEY, OF COURSE, DISAPPOINTMENT THAT MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE, BUT GIVEN THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY DECENT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE COME AND TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY WANT THIS SPORTS, YOU KNOW, PLEX OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER. BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WHEN YOU TRY TO GET FEEDBACK, THEY JUST DON'T SHOW UP. AND THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A PLAN WITHOUT THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK. SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS EXTRAPOLATE TO OUR BEST ABILITY. WE HAVE A HALF SURVEY. WE HAVE A MORE UPDATED SURVEY. I WOULD SUGGEST BEFORE WE WITH A PROCESS THAT IS A PARKS MASTER PLAN, THERE IS USUALLY PUBLIC INPUT AGAIN. SO PEOPLE WILL GET TO SEE WHAT'S IN THERE AND SEE THE SURVEY WITHIN IT AND A VISION, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET SOMEWHERE WITH IT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EDC NOW AS WELL. SO I THINK THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE DATA BUT CONTINUE TO SEEK FEEDBACK. IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT AND IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO THE SAME SOURCE AND WE'RE LIVING OFF OF THAT, IT'S AMAZING WHAT THE POWER OF ONE CAN DO WHEN EVERYBODY'S WORKING BEHIND EACH OTHER FOR THE SAME GOAL. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE AFTER, IN MY OPINION. SO YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, I AGREE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIT IT'S A BIT DISHEARTENING WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY GET LOW NUMBERS PARTICIPATE IN IT. I MEAN, WE WERE HOPING THE LEAGUES WOULD ALL PARTICIPATE AND WE'D GET

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AND AS CAROLINE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THIS DATA, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST STEPPING STONE TO MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE IT. BUT AT WORK, EVEN THOUGH THE AGE DEMOGRAPHIC WAS 50 PLUS, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME VERY MUCH STATISTICAL SIMILARITIES. THIS JUST ONLY MAKING MY HYPOTHESIS THAT IN ONE ON ONE DISCUSSIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS OR SIMILARITIES TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS DATA. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ALL OF US HAVE NEIGHBORS. ALL OF US ARE TALKING TO PEOPLE.

WE'RE HEARING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THAT IN ITSELF IS QUALITATIVE DATA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT QUANT. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT IN ITSELF IS ALSO VERY USEFUL DATA. SO I WOULD SAY, HEY, IT'S IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED. BUT I THINK IN A WAY, I MEAN, 190 RESPONSES IS PRETTY WELL. AND THEN WE JUST KEEP GOING DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. SO MY CONCERN IS, AND I'M NO EXPERT IN SURVEYS, BUT THAT'S LESS THAN 2% OF THE POPULATION. SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH PORTION OF THE POPULATION TO BEGIN TO PLAN USING THAT. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE HALF SURVEY, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN WITH THE POST-COVID BOOM OUT HERE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S LESS THAN 2% OF THE POPULATION WE DO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN AGE OUT HERE, AS OF 2024, IT WAS 55 YEARS OLD. SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THE POPULATION OUT HERE. SO I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE FROM THAT DEMOGRAPHIC FILL OUT THE FORM. WE DID BLAST IT OUT TO ALL THE PICKLEBALL GROUPS TOO. SO WE TRIED. WE TRIED, WE TRIED. I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT. I THINK WE YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE LIVING. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING REALLY THE BEST DATA. NO MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION WANTS. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME DATA TO START WITH. DEFINITELY. IT'S IT'S THE AGE OLD QUESTION, HOW DO WE ENGAGE PEOPLE? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE FIND WHAT THEY WANT? THEY'RE VERY VOCAL ON FACEBOOK. SO YEAH. IF IT MAKES YOU GUYS FEEL BETTER FOR THE STREET RESURFACING PROGRAM, I ALSO PUT OUT A SURVEY. I PUT OUT SIX QUESTIONS VERY SHORT, AND YOU GUYS GOT WAY MORE RESPONSES THAN ME. I THINK I GOT 143. AND I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY WAS OUT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT THAT GOES TO SHOW PEOPLE REALLY DO CARE IF THEY'RE PUTTING 20 MINUTES IN TO DO THAT TO GO THROUGH THE SURVEY. I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL PUT 20 MINUTES IN TO FIND OUT WHAT THE WIZARDING. WHAT HARRY POTTER HOUSE THEY ARE. SO I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WELL WORTH IT. AND IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY KUDOS. YEAH, THANKS. THANK YOU. MAKE A SUGGESTION TO YOU IS THE SURVEY RESULTS ARE GREAT. AND I THINK YOU GUYS WE CAN PUT THE RAW DATA OUT THERE. BUT THEN I THINK AS YOU GUYS COME BACK AND KIND OF SHAPE THE DISCUSSION AROUND IT, HERE'S PIRATES TAKE ON THIS AND ALSO PULL IN THE KEY RESULTS FROM THE HALF SURVEY AS WELL THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO INTEGRATE INTO THE MASTER PLAN. I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP QUITE A BIT. SO I'M EAGER TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. AND THEN SECONDLY, I WOULD DEFINITELY BRING IN YOUR OWN EMPIRICAL EXPERIENCE AS WELL. SO IF WE KNOW LIKE PICKLEBALL IS IN DEMAND BY YOUTH AND ADULTS AND WE KNOW THE YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THEM COME HERE. IN FACT, OUR BIGGEST REC MEETING EVER, I THINK WAS THE YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUE MEETING. USE YOUR OWN, YOU KNOW, EMPIRICAL DATA AND EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM YOUR OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE AND TALKING TO PEOPLE. AND I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT SHY AWAY FROM INCORPORATING THAT INTO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE MASTER PLAN.

YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING THAT ALREADY, BUT I WOULDN'T JUST LIMIT IT ONLY TO THE SURVEY

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SO. COME ON UP. HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING LIKE US SPORTS LEAGUES AND LIKE CLUB DOING AS LIKE LIAISONS? BECAUSE KIND OF LIKE MARLENE SAID, PEOPLE WANT TO TALK, HAVE A CONVERSATION RATHER THAN FILL OUT A SURVEY. AND SO LIKE, I KNOW I COULD TALK TO MY PARENTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SEASON AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT? IS IT YOU WANT THIS FIELD BETTER? DO YOU WANT BATHROOMS? DO YOU WANT LIGHTS? LIKE WHAT? WHAT IS IT? DO YOU WANT TO PUMP TRACK? RIGHT. AND I CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND KIND OF START LEADING. AND THEN I CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S THE TOP THREE THINGS THAT CAME FROM LIKE MY PARENTS, SOME PARENTS MIGHT OVERLAP, BUT AT LEAST NOW YOU'RE GETTING THE GROUPS LIKE PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, SWIMMING, EVERYTHING. AND SO NOW IT'S PEOPLE ARE ANSWERING IN A, IN A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DATA WOULD WORK FOR YOU, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS LIKE A LIAISON KIND OF THING. I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. THAT'S FOR QUALITATIVE DATA, RIGHT? QUALITATIVE. I MIGHT BE PRONOUNCING THAT INCORRECTLY, BUT PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES IS NOT JUST BASED ON SURVEYS, WHICH IS QUANT. YOU WANT TO DO FOCUS GROUPS, YOU WANT TO GO OUT IN TOWN HALLS, YOU WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH ORGANIZATIONS. EXACTLY. I WOULD LOVE TO COLLABORATE WITH CALEB AND SAY, HEY, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR GROUP. SAME HERE. RIGHT. SO I THINK DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S HOW I SEE WAYS AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THESE ARE WAYS WHERE THIS KIND OF DATA COUPLED WITH THE QUANT IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL IN INTEGRATING INTO THE PLAN. YEAH. SO ONE OTHER POINT THAT I'VE GOT TO KIND OF MAKE HERE IS WE'RE UP AGAINST A, OH, SORRY, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. SORRY I WASN'T DIRECTING THIS AT YOU. SO ONE OTHER POINT. WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS DOCUMENT WRITTEN. WE'RE ON A TIMELINE CRUNCH. WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS. THIS IS OUR DATA WE'VE GOT IN 30 DAYS. I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT ANOTHER YEAR TO COLLECT DATA, WE CAN COLLECT DATA. BUT WE HAD TO COLLECT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR US. I MEAN, YEAH, THE COUNCIL ASKED US WHEN DID COUNCIL ASK THIS P PARKS MASTER PLANNING OR DAVID, CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT? I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT BRINGING THE DISCUSSIONS BACK IN OCTOBER. I WILL SAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS UP FIRST. SO THAT WOULD GIVE THE PARKS A LITTLE MORE TIME. I'M SURE THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO LET YOUR LIAISON KNOW POTENTIALLY WHAT Y'ALL WOULD PREFER, THAT CAN BE A DISCUSSION. TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE MORE TIME, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT IT LAST. OH, SORRY, DAVID. SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG DAVID. IS DAVID ONE. YEAH. SO THIS IS MORE ON MY PERSONAL SIDE, BUT FROM A BIZ DEV PERSPECTIVE, EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS JUST SAYING. YOU CAN LEAN ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY LEADERS BECAUSE YOU GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO ISSUE SCOOTING ASIDE ANOTHER TEN MINUTES IN THEIR DAY TO TALK TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS, TO THEIR GROUP, THEIR, THEIR NICHE, THEIR PEOPLE. I MEAN, YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, HEY, WHO WOULD PUT UP A LITTLE INTERACTIVE BOARD WITH THREE QUESTIONS AND JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN STAMP IT ONCE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO BIKE SHOPS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BECOMES A PASSION VERSUS PRIORITY SITUATION. IF YOU REALLY WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN BEFORE OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, BUT ONGOING, I MEAN, THIS IS DATA COLLECTION AT ITS HEART AND PARKS AND RECREATION IS VERY, VERY INTRINSIC WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CLIQUES. I MEAN, EVERYONE IN LAGO VISTA THAT'S DOING ACTIVITIES HAS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'S SUPER HARD. 100, ALMOST 200 SURVEYS FILLED OUT 20 MINUTES IS IT TOOK ME A LOT LONGER THAN THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I DID IT WRONG, BUT THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD NUMBER. BUT IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO LEVERAGE THAT OUT WHERE IT'S NOT A HINDRANCE TO THEM, IT IS SUPER HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO, HEY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO US BEFORE DO WHAT WE'RE

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ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR US OR ANYBODY UP HERE. GOT QUESTIONS. NOPE. WELL I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. OH OH NEARLY ALMOST. I WAS GOING FOR DINNER THEN. IS NOW THE TIME THAT WE BEG KAREN TO ASK FOR ANOTHER PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR? OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEG ME. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I'M AT A LOSS. WE CAN GET DAVID BACK. CAN WE BEG HIM? I MEAN, I'M I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT A LOSS WITHOUT DAVID. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS AND AND REPLACE BROKEN EQUIPMENT. YEAH. I'LL BE MEETING WITH MR. TURNER, OUR NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND THAT'S ON MY AGENDA FOR HIM IS TO DEFINITELY LET'S YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR IS THE MORE CRITICAL PRIORITY IN EVERYONE'S MIND. BUT JUST TO REALLY ENCOURAGE HIM. AND AS ERIC SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME APPLICANT APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN. SO YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, PUSH FOR THAT. JUST I JUST HAVE NO IDEA OF TIMING. THIS IS GOING TO BE REAL SHORT BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET OUT OF HERE. BUT WHEN WE LOST DAVID, PARTICULARLY THE MASTER PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE, WE BASICALLY CAME TO A DEAD HALT. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE WE COULD DO WITHOUT HIM BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE SURVEY WAS STILL OUT THERE. RESULTS WEREN'T BACK IN, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET WAS. SORT OF WE DID. BUT YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT WAS IT'S A BIG DEAL. YEAH.

WE NEED SOMEBODY WITH SOME CREDIT. HE'S HE'S ALWAYS BEEN QUICK TO HELP. I APPRECIATE THAT YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. I WILL ADJOURN IT AT 831.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.