[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
          [II. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
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          TIME IS 436. WE'RE NOW GOING TO RECONVENE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND OPEN SESSION. 
          BEFORE WE GO INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS, I'LL ASK I WAS GOING TO ASK BRAD IF WE WOULD GIVE A REVIEW OF ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK THERE. SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DISCUSSED. 
          LET'S DO IT FROM HERE, MAYOR. WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, YOU JUST RECEIVED A. AN UPDATE REGARDING POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART CHANGES FROM YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, MR. JOY. WE ALSO THEN DISCUSSED UNDER ITEM NUMBER THREE, THERE WERE LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO SOME ONGOING. INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT TESSERA. AND I GAVE YOU AN UPDATE ON LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE AND STEPS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE WITH REGARD TO THAT. 
          AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE PRIOR. THOSE AREN'T NEW THINGS OR NEW AGREEMENTS. THEY ARE PART OF THE EXISTING AGREEMENT. AND THEN YOU GOT AN UPDATE ON PENDING AND CONTEMPLATED PERSONNEL INVESTIGATIONS. BROADLY SPEAKING, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS ANY PARTICULAR POSITION. 
          AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER AGENDA. WE TALKED THERE WERE THERE WERE LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO. WHAT WAS THE LAST ITEM WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. IT WAS 9.2 AND 9.3 WERE THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I BELIEVE. BRETT. YES. OH. OH, YEAH. SO THERE WERE LEGAL. I'M SORRY. THERE WERE LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS RELATED TO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAGUNA RIDGE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND WE ANSWER LEGAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND THAT REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          [III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS]
COUNCIL ON ITEM ONE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WERE CONFIDENTIAL. ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN, MAYOR? NO ACTION. THANK YOU. ON ITEM TWO DISCUSSION REGARDING THE REORGANIZATION OF THE CITY'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE. RELATED PERSONNEL MATTERS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT AS DIRECTED BACK IN CHAMBERS IN REGARD TO PERSONNEL AND THEIR SALARIES. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          HAVE A SECOND FOR MISTER PRINCE? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM THREE CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO LAKESIDE AREA COUNCIL. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR NO ACTION. ITEM FOUR RECEIVE LEGAL BRIEFING REGARDING FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION INTO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SECTION 551.074. IS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN, MAYOR? NO ACTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE US AND TEXAS FLAG AND ANY INVOCATION. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW THE TEXAS FLAG, ALL TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. I'VE GOT PASTOR JACK'S. ENGLAND WITH NORTH LAKE. FOR THE INVOCATION. JAX IS HERE. 
          WELL, JT, I SEE YOU BACK HERE. DO YOU WANT TO DO THE INVOCATION FOR US? IMPROMPTU? OH, SURE. DEAR GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND AS OUR CITY'S LEADERSHIP. WE PRAY GOD THAT YOU HAVE YOUR SPIRIT HERE WITH US TODAY, THAT WE CAN THRIVE TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, ARM IN ARM, ALL UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER'S POSITIONS, EVEN IN CONFLICT THAT WE KNOW THAT OUR HEARTS ARE WITH LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, AND THAT WE ALL HAVE LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, IN OUR INTEREST IS MAKING THIS THE BEST CITY THERE IS. WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME TOGETHER IN THAT EFFORT. AND WE PRAY THAT YOU HAVE YOUR SPIRIT WITH US THROUGHOUT THIS SESSION AND THROUGHOUT OUR LIVES AND OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, GOD, AND WE SAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF OUR LOVE AND THE NAME OF YOUR BELOVED SON, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. 
          [VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
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AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I'VE GOT. FIRST UP, MISTER DAVE STEWART. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY REPAIRING THE LAGO VISTA GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, BUT YOU'RE ONLY REPLACING ABOUT 95% OF THE PIPE. THERE'S BEEN A DECISION MADE THAT THE PRIMARY TRANSMISSION LINE BETWEEN POND 17 AND POND TWO IS NOT TO BE REPLACED, AND WILL BE REPLACED AT A LATER DATE, 5 OR 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THIS IS A HUGE FINANCIAL HICKEY TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW. THE CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACT WAS PUT OUT FOR PROPER BID. IT'LL HAVE TO BE REBID IF WE DO THAT. PLAN THE MOVE ON FEE AND MOVE OFF FEE IS ALREADY PAID. IF YOU REPLACE THAT MILE, TWO, THREE QUARTER, TWO MILE PIPELINE, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO A NEW MOVE ON MOVE OFF FEE, AND THE CONTRACT ALREADY HAS PRICES PER FOOT, PER PIPE SIZE. SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO IN THE FUTURE. THE PIPE COST IS GOING TO BE HIGHER. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT YOU CAN PUT THE PIPE IN FOR ABOUT $200,000 MAYBE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU WAIT 5 OR 10 YEARS, THAT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY 450,000 TO $500,000. YOU HAVE LEFT OVER MONEY. EXCUSE ME. IN THE IRRIGATION REPLACEMENT FUND, TO ME, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE NOT TO REPLACE THE WHOLE THING. NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PIPE DOES. IT'S THE PRIMARY FILL LINE FROM POND 17 TO POND TWO. 
          IF THAT LINE BREAKS, YOU CAN'T PUT WATER INTO POND TWO. IF YOU CAN'T PUT WATER INTO POND TWO, YOU CAN'T IRRIGATE THE GOLF COURSE. SO AND RIGHT NOW, THIS LINE ON MY WATCH HAD THREE BELL TWO SPIGOT FAILURES. THAT MEANT THAT THE PIPE GOT A CRACK AT THE BELL AND CRACKED ALL THE WAY TO THE SPIGOT. 20 FOOT LONG CRACK. WE HAVE TWO AFTER I LEFT A TOTAL OF FIVE. THAT'S THE LAST INDICATOR OF A FAILED PIPELINE. CATASTROPHIC FAILURE IS PENDING. SO IF YOU ALSO DO THIS, THEN AFTER YOU'VE REBUILT YOUR GOLF COURSE BUSINESS, GOT IT? MAKING A PROFIT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND TEAR UP THE DRIVING RANGE. FAIRWAY ONE AND FAIRWAY TWO. THE THING TO DO IS TO ORDER A CHANGE, TO ISSUE A CHANGE ORDER AND LET THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR WHO'S ALREADY ON THE JOB, WHO DOESN'T NEED TO MOVE ON, MOVE OFF FEE TO REPLACE THAT LINE AS WELL. 
          HDPE IS 115 YEAR PIPE. I DO NOT SEE ANY ADVANTAGE TO TRYING TO SALVAGE THIS LINE FOR ANOTHER 5 OR 10 YEARS. ON THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO A JOB, YOU DO THE WHOLE JOB, NOT 95% OF IT. YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A FINANCIAL HICKEY. IN THE FUTURE, THAT COULD BE COMPLETELY AVOIDED BEFORE THE CONTRACTOR MOVES OFF. DO YOU MIND IF I RESPOND? YEAH, MADAM. SO, MR. STEWART AND I LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS, IF YOU HAVE ANY. THAT WAS LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE IRRIGATION CONTRACT, WE DID LOOK AT THAT TRANSFER LINE. AND THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I THINK MADE IT WHERE IT WASN'T A TOP PRIORITY. NUMBER ONE IS WE WENT AND WE ISOLATED THAT PIPE, AND WE TURNED THE PUMP SYSTEM AS HIGH AS WE COULD GET IT. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 125 OR 130 POUNDS OF PRESSURE. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE PIPE, THOSE THOSE PUMPS TO GENERATE PRESSURE ON THAT TRANSFER LINE. AND THEN WE MEASURED HOW MUCH WATER WAS ACTUALLY FLOWING. SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS FIND OUT IF THERE WAS A LEAK. 
          AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, THERE WAS ZERO LEAK ON THAT TRANSFER LINE WHATSOEVER. AND WE RAN THAT TEST FOR ALMOST 4.5 HOURS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A LEAK, AND THAT WAS AT 130 POUNDS OF PRESSURE. SO RIGHT NOW, THAT TRANSFER LINE IS THAT THAT LINE IS BEING USED AS A PRESSURIZED LINE AND UNDER FULL PRESSURE. THERE WAS NO LEAK. ONCE PON2 GOES GOES IN LINE, THAT NO LONGER IS GOING TO BE A PRESSURIZED LINE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRANSFER LINE. IT'S GOING TO VIRTUALLY HAVE NO PRESSURE AT ALL. IT'S GOING TO BE JUST LIKE A DRAINAGE PIPE. AND SO WATER FLOWING THROUGH THERE AT ZERO OR VERY LOW PRESSURE IS REALLY GOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PIPE PROBABLY INDEFINITELY. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FEES COMING IN, COMING OUT, BUT I WOULD FIND IT HARD TO SPEND $200,000 ON A WATER LINE THAT IS PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL, HAS BEEN TESTED AND WILL NO LONGER BE PRESSURIZED ONCE PON2 GOES LIVE. THAT'S JUST MY FACTUAL REBUTTAL STATEMENT. OKAY. AND MY 
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RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE IS THAT I DIDN'T BRING UP ALL THE BEAM BREAKS WE HAD. WE PROBABLY HAD OVER TWO DOZEN BEAM BREAKS. THAT PVC LINE IS BEDDED IN SHOT ROCK. BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID WAS PAT HENRY WENT DOWN THERE AND BLASTED OUT A DITCH. IT'S A V SHAPED DITCH. THE PIPE SITS THERE AND SOME PLACES THE PIPE ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE SHOT ROCK. IN THE SHOT ROCK IS A BUNCH OF CHERT, HAS THE DITCH GETS DRY IN THE IN THE ON LA NINA AND EL NINO IT GETS WET. THOSE ROCKS MOVE THE PIPES SITTING ON TEEPEES AND THAT'S WHERE THE BEAM BREAKS HAPPEN. IT COMES DOWN, IT HITS THE TEEPEE AND IT CRACKS. THE PRESSURE TEST IS A STATIC PRESSURE TEST. IT'S NOT ALLOWING FOR SOIL COMPACTION WHEN IT DRIES AND SOIL EXPANSION WHEN IT GETS WET, THAT PIPE IS CONSTANTLY MOVING, SO IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT'S THE BACKBONE OF THE GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE NOT TO REPLACE IT RIGHT NOW. WELL, AND IT'S GOING TO FAIL WITH FIVE SPIGOT TO BELL BREAKS. THAT'S A TOTAL INDICATOR THAT THAT LINE IS NEARING TOTAL FAILURE. REGARDLESS OF THE PRESSURE, IT'S STILL GOING TO MOVE IT. YOU COULD HAVE A HOLE RUBBED HALFWAY THROUGH IT. NOW ON ONE OF THOSE TEEPEES OR OFF ONE OF THOSE JAGGED EDGES. AND ALL THEY DID WHEN THEY BACKFILLED IT WAS THEY PUT THE SHOT ROCK THROUGH A SHAKER BUCKET, AND THEN THEY BACKFILLED WITH WHATEVER CAME OUT PAST THAT CERTAIN SIZE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY 2 OR 3IN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MA'AM, I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR COUNCIL. WE HAD AN IRRIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS VERY ACTIVE, WAS PRETTY STRONG, AND I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE MR. BENNEFIELD, YOU WERE ON IT WITH ME, THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD COUNCIL SHOULD REFER THIS SUBJECT TO A SPECIAL MEETING, IRRIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE FOR REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR US. I AGREE 100%. AND JUST TO VALIDATE WHAT MR. STEWART SAYING, I MEAN, WHEN TAYLOR WHICHARD LEFT, HIS PARTING WORDS TO ME WERE IS DON'T REPLACE THAT TRANSFER LINE. RIGHT. SO I DO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. STEWART SAYING. 
          CONCEPTUALLY, I JUST THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WE DID LOOK AT THAT PIPE AND IT IS WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT, MR. THOMAS BURLEW. I DON'T SEE HIM ONLINE. I DON'T SEE HIM HERE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON THEN TO HINES GRETHER. 
          YOU HAVE DONATED TIME FROM EBS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HINES GREATER. MY FAMILY IS ON PROPERTY IN THE AREA FOR ABOUT THREE DECADES. WE MOVED HERE IN THE EARLY 90S. SHORTLY AFTER I GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LAW SCHOOL. AFTER HAVING GOTTEN A DEGREE IN BIOENGINEERING FROM TEXAS A&M. I GAVE YOU THAT JUST KIND OF FOR BACKGROUND, TODAY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHO DECIDES HOW THE CITY HANDLES TRANSPARENCY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL HAS HANDLED THE DECISION TO ITS LAWYERS. IT'S NOT A SINGLE INCIDENT. IT'S A DEFAULT PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR. AND LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES. COUNCIL MEETINGS, RECORD REQUESTS, EXECUTIVE SESSION NOTICES, NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, AND MY RECENT REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENFORCE ITS OWN PUBLISHED POLICY. I'LL ADDRESS THE FIRST THREE TO THE COUNCIL, PROBABLY THE NEXT COUNCIL, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW TO ADDRESS IT. THE FOURTH ITEM, UNFORTUNATELY, IS TIMELY AND GOT ADDRESS IT NOW. I WROTE AN EMAIL TO THE MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, THE CITY MANAGER, CONCERNING VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S PUBLISHED POLICY CONCERNING BRANDING AND LOGO. SPECIFICALLY, ADAM TALKING ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN SIGN. WHILE THE LETTERS MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON ORDINANCE AND VIOLATIONS, THE THRUST OF THE MESSAGE WAS ABOUT PUBLISHED POLICY, NOT AN ORDINANCE. AS STATED MY LETTER REPEATEDLY. THE VIOLATION IS PUBLIC AND POLITICAL, AND THE CURE NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC AND POLITICAL, THE MAYOR TOLD ME. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY REFUSED TO MEET WITH ME, AND SAYING THE MEETING WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO RECUSE HIMSELF IN A FUTURE SUIT, AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF HE HAD A JUDICIAL ROLE IN A POTENTIAL DISPUTE, NOT IF HE STAYS IN HIS ROLE AS A CITY ADVOCATE, IF HE STAYS IN HIS ROLE AS ANYTHING ELSE, OR HE SEES HIS ROLE AS ANYTHING ELSE, THAT'S EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC. 
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HE APPARENTLY OPINED THAT THE CITY'S POLICY HAS A DUE PROCESS PROBLEM. THERE IS NO INTEREST THAT DUE PROCESS PROTECTION IS REQUIRED FOR. IN MY LETTER, IF IT ADDRESSED ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I TOLD YOU NOT TO DO IT. MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, IN 2022, UNANIMOUS U.S. SUPREME COURT HELD IN HOUSTON COMMUNITY COLLEGE VERSUS WILSON THAT AN ELECTED BODY PUBLICLY EXPRESSING DISAPPROVAL OF A MEMBER IN ITS POLITICAL SPEECH MAY REQUEST. MY REQUEST. ASKED FOR LESS THAN WAS DONE. IN THAT CASE, AN APOLOGY AND NEW SIGNS IS ALL I SUGGESTED. AND AGAIN, A REQUEST, NOT ANY KIND OF CENSURE BESIDES JUST A REQUEST TO DO IT. IN THAT CASE, THE GOVERNING BODY CENSURED WILSON, A MEMBER OF THE BODY. THE BOARD DID NOT EVEN BASE WILSON'S CENSURE ON ANY POLICY, ORDINANCE, STATE OR FEDERAL LAW OR REGULATION. WILSON'S CENSURE WAS NOT A REQUEST TO CENSURE, AS I SUGGESTED TO THE. IN THE CITY, POLICY REQUIRES. THIS COUNCIL HAS A MUCH STRONGER CASE THAN HOUSTON COMMUNITY COLLEGE HAD, AND HOUSTON COMMUNITY COLLEGE WON BEFORE A UNANIMOUS U.S. SUPREME COURT. AND THAT WAS IN 1922. SO IT'S NOT LIKE OLD LAW. IT'S NEW. AND IF YOU READ THE CASE, IT GOES THROUGH BASICALLY U.S. HISTORY ON THIS AS OLD AND HAS NEVER BEEN COME BEFORE THE COURT BECAUSE IT'S SO ACCEPTED. 
          ANYWAY, SORRY, I WENT OFF MY SCRIPT HERE AND INAPPROPRIATE DEFERENCE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS MADE UNELECTED CITY OFFICIALS ATTORNEY POSITION MORE POWERFUL THAN THE POWER OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND IS CLOUDING THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS BY THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY. THE ATTORNEY IS EFFECTIVELY MAKING DECISIONS AND REFUSING TO MEET WITH CITIZENRY TO DEFEND THE DECISIONS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DUE PROCESS INTEREST HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT. I DO NOT JUST RISE TO COMPLAIN. I PROPOSE SOLUTIONS. WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS ON THE LIST I PROVIDED AND WILL DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHETHER TO ASK A COLLEAGUE FOR AN APOLOGY AS A POLITICAL QUESTION FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ANSWER IN PUBLIC, NOT A LEGAL ONE FOR THE CITY'S ATTORNEY TO DECIDE IN PRIVATE, I CITE AGAIN THE 1922 UNANIMOUS U.S. SUPREME COURT DECISION IN HOUSTON COMMUNITY COLLEGE, HOLDING THAT A BOARD CENSURE OF ONE OF ITS MEMBERS WAS ITSELF PROTECTED POLITICAL SPEECH. MY LETTER SUGGESTED ASKING COUNCIL MEMBER BENEFIELD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND CORRECT, CORRECT THE VIOLATION. CONSPICUOUSLY COVERING IT UP WITH A STICKER IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          UNDER YOUR RULES. I CANNOT DIRECT OR EVEN ASK ADAM BENEFIELD TO AVAIL HIMSELF OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU ALL CAN. MAKING A WHOLEHEARTED, UNEQUIVOCAL APOLOGY FOR VIOLATING CITY OF LAGO VISTA BRANDING AND LOGO USAGE POLICY, PLUS IMMEDIATE AND CONSPICUOUS REMOVAL OF THE SIGNS AND OTHER CAMPAIGN ASSETS THAT VIOLATE THE POLICY. EXCUSE ME, AND REPLACING THEM WITH CONSPICUOUSLY DIFFERENT SIGNS AND MATERIALS. TAKING DOWN ALL HIS SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS THAT USE THE LOGO PROMINENTLY POSTING HIS APOLOGY WHERE WHERE HE OR OTHERS HAVE POSTED IT, AND THEN POSTING THE OFFENDING SIGNS AND ASKING OR POSTING THE OFFENDING SIGNS AND ASKING THOSE WHO SHARED THEM TO TAKE THEM DOWN. 
          AND FOR GIVEN THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN LEGAL EXPENSES THAT HAS BEEN INCURRED PERSONALLY PAYING THE ATTORNEYS FEES AND RELATED COSTS THE CITY INCURRED TO ADDRESS THIS VIOLATION, SINCE THE CITY HASN'T ENFORCED ITS OWN POLICY AND ORDINANCES AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBER. I'LL USE MY FREE SPEECH AND I WILL GO TO PUBLIC RIDICULE. CURRENTLY, MR. BENEFIELD HAS A BRADLEY BRADLEY COOPER CAMPAIGN AD IN HIS YARD WITH HIS CAMPAIGN SIGN, A SHIRT THAT HAS THE LOGO AND A HAT THAT HAS THE LOGO VIOLATING BOTH THE CITY ORDINANCE, CITY AND THE CITY'S LOGO AND BRANDING POLICY. IT IS A SELF-PARODY. CELEBRITY ENDORSEMENTS FAKE, THE CITY ENDORSEMENTS FAKE. AND DESPITE BEING A LAWN IRRIGATION BUSINESS, EVEN BEN FIELDS GRASS IS FAKE. THE ASTROTURF JOKES JUST WRITE THEMSELVES. USING THE CITY BRANDING AND IMPLYING ENDORSING IS NOT CLASSY, WHICH MAKES YOUR STAY CLASSY CAMPAIGN. SORRY MAKES ADAMS STAY CLASSY CAMPAIGN AD A SELF-PARODY. ADDIE. ADAM. COUNCILMAN AND CITY COUNCIL DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NEXT, MR. ROBERT OWEN. OH, YOURS WAS THE DAY. OKAY, MR. VAUGHN. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT. WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS. UNLESS. IS THERE 
          [VII. PRESENTATIONS & PROCLAMATIONS]
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NONE. THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS. ITEM ONE PROCLAMATION DECLARING OCTOBER 16TH TO 24TH 2026 AS FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WEEK. AND I'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION HERE. I KNOW 
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WE GOT OUR FOLKS OVER HERE. AFTER I READ THIS, JUST COME UP HERE AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE. 
          WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE LAGO VISTA PUBLIC LIBRARY DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO SUPPORT THE LAGO VISTA PUBLIC LIBRARY THROUGH FUNDRAISING, VOLUNTEER SERVICE, ADVOCACY, AND OUTREACH. AND WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY PROVIDE VALUABLE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT ENHANCES THE LIBRARY'S ABILITY TO OFFER PROGRAMS, MATERIALS, TECHNOLOGY, AND EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES TO THE LAGO VISTA COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS, DURING THE PAST YEAR, THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY PROVIDED FUNDING FOR ADULT AND YOUNG ADULT BOOKS, TECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE, T SHIRTS FOR THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM AND ONE HALF OF THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM. AND WHEREAS, THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY ANNUAL LIBRARY BOOK SALE PROVIDES AFFORDABLE BOOKS TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHILE RAISING FUNDS THAT ARE RETURNED DIRECTLY TO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY AND ITS SERVICES. AND WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY FUNDRAISING EFFORTS ARE MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROSITY OF THE LAGO VISTA COMMUNITY AND THE DEDICATION, TIME AND HARD WORK OF VOLUNTEERS AND. WHEREAS, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WEEK PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE MANY VOLUNTEERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHOSE CONTRIBUTIONS HELP ENSURE THAT THE LAGO VISTA PUBLIC LIBRARY REMAINS A VIBRANT COMMUNITY RESOURCE FOR LEARNING, DISCOVERY, TECHNOLOGY, LITERACY, AND CONNECTION. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANT ROLE OF THE LAGO VISTA PUBLIC LIBRARY AND THE FRIENDS OF THE LAGO VISTA PUBLIC LIBRARY PLAY IN ENRICHING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, THEREFORE, I SAW MAYOR, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 16TH TO 24TH, 2026 AS FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WEEK. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS STAND RIGHT HERE. AND WHO WANTS TO HOLD IT? JERRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SATURDAY BOOK SALE AND SILENT AUCTION. SO COME TO THE LIBRARY. PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF AMANDA WAS STILL OVER THERE. AMANDA. IS IT. IS IT TOO EARLY TO ANNOUNCE THE WINNER OF THE PUMPKIN CONTEST? AM I RIGHT? I SAY WE KNOW IT. DO YOU KNOW ERIC? OH, YEAH. OH, SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY INTRICATE. YEAH. SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THE STAFF HAD EACH DEPARTMENT DID A DIFFERENT JACK O LANTERN, A PUMPKIN, AND THEN THEY LET THE COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY GO BACK THERE AND RANK THEM. SO I THOUGHT I'D REAL QUICK TRY AND FIND OUT WHO WON. THERE WERE SOME REALLY GOOD ONES THAT ARE OUT IN THE LOBBY. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CHECK THEM OUT BEFORE YOU GO, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WON? I VOTED FOR NUMBER FIVE. SO WHICHEVER ONE THAT WAS NUMBER FIVE WAS GOOD. YEAH, NUMBER TWO WAS GOOD. THEY WERE ALL GOOD. THEY WERE ALL PRETTY GOOD. IS COUNCIL GOING TO DO THE CONTEST? DO YOU GUYS KNOW? WE WEREN'T ASKED. PROBABLY WOULD. FIVE THE ONE I VOTED FOR WAS THE ONE THAT HAD SMOKE COMING OUT OF IT. AND. YEAH. I KIND OF LIKE THE WATER TOWER. WATER TOWER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. IT WAS VERY CREATIVE. I DIDN'T IT DIDN'T SAY WHO EACH DEPARTMENT WAS. I DON'T THINK DID IT. I JUST KIND OF TOOK GUESSES. I MEAN, I THINK I CAN ALWAYS PICK THE LIBRARIES. THERE'S ALWAYS SOME SORT OF BOOK INVOLVED. I WAS TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE WHO WON THE PUMPKIN CONTEST. SO FIRST PLACE. WE HAD MISS BAILEY HARTNETT. SHE'S WITH OUR OUR GIS SHE'S OUR GIS TECHNICIAN. SHE CAME IN FIRST PLACE. SHE DID A PIRATE SHIP. IT IS SO INTRICATE. IT'S AMAZING. Y'ALL SHOULD GO CHECK IT OUT. IT'S UP IN THE FRONT LOBBY. SECOND PLACE WAS OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM. THEY DID A TEAM PROJECT. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF SPOOKY. IT'S LIKE A VENUS FLYTRAP, AND IT'S GOT, LIKE, A CAULDRON. IT'S GOT LIKE, ALL THESE THINGS GOING ON IN IT. I THINK THERE'S SOME DRY ICE AND STUFF. AND THIRD PLACE WAS OUR OFFICER WITH OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. HE DID A VIKING AND THE PUMPKIN WAS ACTUALLY GROWN BY THE CHILDREN. 
          WELL, CONGRATULATIONS. MAYOR PRO TEM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY IF Y'ALL GET A CHANCE, I, I 
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MENTIONED THAT THE PUMPKINS ARE QUINTESSENTIAL LOGO, THAT WE ARE SO CREATIVE AND TALENTED OUT HERE AND IT'S COMING OUT IN OUR STAFF. SO IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PUMPKINS, I REALLY, REALLY SUGGEST THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL DO 
          [VIII. CONSENT]
CONSENT. ITEM EIGHT. CONSENT ONE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2026 CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING ITEM TWO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING COUNCIL. ARE THERE ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU WANT REMOVED? IF NOT, THEN I'M OPEN TO A MOTION MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM I WILL MOVE DOWN TO NINE ACTION ITEMS AND. WHERE'S THE 
          [IX.2. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action regarding the First Amendment to the Development and Annexation Agreement between the City of Lago Vista and W Land Development Management, LLC, for the approximately 109.4251-acre Groseclose Tract, known as the Luna Ridge development.]
ONE I WAS LOOKING FOR? WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP ITEM NINE TWO. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANNEXATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA AND W LAND DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT, LLC FOR THE. 
          APPROXIMATELY 109.4251 ACRE GROSS CLOSE TRACT KNOWN AS THE LUNA RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAS ASKED US TO TABLE THIS ITEM. SO I'LL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON THAT REQUEST. THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS MR. DAVE STEWART. I KNOW IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT MOVING FORWARD ON THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE THEM PUT IN PURPLE PIPE, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT RIGHT AT THE TIME, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO DISPOSE OF EFFLUENT. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE SEEMS TO BE A GROSS, PREDOMINANT PATTERN OF GETTING ENTITLEMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TRYING TO FLIP THEM FOR PROFIT. AND I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LIMITATION ON HOW LONG THEY'RE GRANTED THEIR USE. I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO GIVE THEM OUT TO 2031. I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD IT. HOW LONG AND THEY HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE. 
          THEY NEED TO BE. WE NEED TO CUT THESE THINGS SHORTER. WE NEED TO MAKE THEM EITHER PUT UP OR WE TAKE THOSE BACK. WE CAN'T KEEP A LEDGER OF OBLIGATED, LOUISE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN A AND MAY PREVENT AN ACTUAL VIABLE SUBDIVISION FROM BEING BUILT. AND IF HE SELLS THE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE LEASE, MAYBE THE GUY WHO BUYS IT WILL HAVE THE MONEY TO DEVELOP IT. 
          BUT THIS IS JUST A CONTINUING PATTERN OF I'M I'M GOING TO PUT FIREFLY ON HOLD. LUNA RIDGE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. IT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING MOVEMENT AND MONTECINO AND WE'RE GETTING SOME ACTION FROM SHORELINE, ALTHOUGH IT'S SLOW. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOT TO STOP SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I JUST HAVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL PROVIDED MY CONCERNS IN WRITING, SO I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF. MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE. 
          UNLESS THE CITY IS LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT, PLEASE DECLINE IT. 
          LUNA RIDGE ALREADY HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. A DEVELOPER'S REQUEST FOR MORE TIME OR A DIFFERENT TERM DOES NOT BY ITSELF ESTABLISH A PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR RESIDENTS WATCHING FROM HOME. COMMITMENTS INVOLVING OUR WATER, WASTEWATER, ROADS AND PUBLIC RESOURCES HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE AND PAY THE BILLS. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT DESERVES A CLEAR EXPLANATION OF HOW IT BENEFITS THIS COMMUNITY. I'VE NOT SEEN A COMPELLING REASON TO GRANT THE REQUEST TO CHANGE, AS THE CITY SHOULD HONOR ITS EXISTING OBLIGATIONS AND RETAIN THE PROTECTIONS IT ALREADY HAS. IF YOU POSTPONE THE ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE PRESERVE THE CITY'S EXISTING POSITION AND MAKE NO SUBSTANTIVE CONCESSIONS. PLEASE PUT THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST FIRST AND HOLD THE EXISTING AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. PAUL ROBERTS ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR MOTION. MAYOR. 
          MR. BENEFIELD, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AND A MOTION. I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKED THIS AGREEMENT. I YOU KNOW, I ADVOCATED FOR WHEN HOTEL INDIGO CAME ALONG TO PUT A FOUR YEAR LIMITATION ON THEIR LIEU AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS, I THINK THIS IS GREAT THAT COUNCIL DID FIVE YEARS AND TEN YEARS. AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOW HAVING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, I THINK IS FANTASTIC. IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO. AND I THINK ALL AGREEMENTS AND DEEDS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT SHOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID ON THIS ONE. BUT THE DEVELOPER DID ASK FOR A TABLE. THEY'RE NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES. I FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE THERE. 
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LOUISE EXPIRE UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER. AND I THINK THEY JUST WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. SO I MOVE TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION. 9.2 I'D HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BENEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL. CHAVARRIA ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. PRINCE YEAH, JUST I MY I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY THE DECISION HERE IS DO WE GIVE THEM A PASS ON THE FIVE YEAR, 50% REDUCTION IN LUIS OR NOT? AND AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ASKED FOR A A TABLING, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THAT THAT THAT DECISION IS THE DECISION TO BE MADE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THE NEXT MEETING IN NOVEMBER OR WHENEVER YOU ALL GET TO IT, I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THEM DOING A SALES PITCH ON THEIR GREAT CONCEPTS AND WHATEVER. JUST FUNDAMENTALLY ARE, IS COUNCIL GOING TO GIVE THEM A PASS ON THE REQUIREMENT TO LOSE 50% OF THEIR 350? LUIS OR NOT? SO I WOULD SUGGEST GET TO THAT QUICKLY, RATHER THAN SPENDING TWO HOURS WITH A LOT OF CITIZEN COMMENTS AND A LOT OF SALES PITCH FROM THE AND THEN POTENTIALLY JUST MAKING THAT DECISION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY THAT 
          [IX.3. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action regarding the City's partnership with the North Lake Travis Chamber of Commerce & Visitors Center, including a Hotel Occupancy Tax operating agreement, a service agreement for non-HOT eligible City services and events, procedures for HOT-funded event reimbursements, amendment of the current event reimbursement limit from 50% to up to 100% of eligible expenses, and consideration of funding for Brews & Balloons 2026. (Part 1 of 2)]
IT'S BEEN TABLED. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE WILL BRING UP ITEM NINE THREE. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE CITY'S PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NORTH LAKE TRAVIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND VISITOR CENTER, INCLUDING A HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX OPERATING AGREEMENT, A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR NON ELIGIBLE CITY SERVICES AND EVENTS. PROCEDURES FOR HOT FUNDED EVENT REIMBURSEMENT. AMENDMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENT REIMBURSEMENT LIMIT FROM 50% TO UP TO 100% OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSES AND CONSIDERATION OF FUNDING FOR BREWS AND BALLOONS. 2026 MR. BENNEFIELD, THIS IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU SIR. IN, YOU KNOW, MARCH 21ST, 2026, I WROTE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD QUOTE, WHILE I WHILE I AGREE THAT FUNDS SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED WITHOUT A CONTRACT, I ALSO BELIEVE THE CITY HAS FAILED THE CHAMBER BY ALLOWING A LONG, LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP TO OPERATE WITHOUT A FORMAL AGREEMENT AND WITHOUT FUNDING. 
          SINCE OCTOBER OF 2025. I STAND BEHIND THAT STATEMENT THAT I MADE AT THAT TIME. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS DONE AN INJUSTICE TO THE CHAMBER, AND SO I HAVE OFFERED MY SERVICES ON MANY OCCASIONS. AND TODAY, HOPEFULLY, AS A REFLECTION OF THAT, THIS ESSENTIALLY PREVENT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ESSENTIALLY FIVE THINGS KIND OF ALL BUNDLED TOGETHER. THE FIRST ONE IS A HOT OPERATING AGREEMENT, SPECIFICALLY HOW, WHAT, WHY, OR WHEN WE FUND THE VISITOR CENTER, THERE WAS CONSENSUS AT THE LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, THAT COUNCIL DID WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONVERSATION AND FUNDING FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS AGREEMENT BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T BELIEVE THE AGREEMENT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CHAMBER WANTS, BUT I THINK THE ADVICE GIVEN WAS, LET'S GET UNDER CONTRACT. 
          LET'S GET SOMETHING THAT CAN GET MONEY FLOWING TOWARDS THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THEN IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH IN 2027. THE SECOND PRONG OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. WHAT A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IS IS THERE'S TIMES THAT THE CHAMBER MAY ACT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AT REQUEST FOR EVENTS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT HOT QUALIFYING. SO IF THE CITY WANTED TO, WE COULD HIRE THEM TO PERFORM A MEET THE CANDIDATES NIGHT, OR WE COULD HAVE THEM DO A STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS AT NIGHT OR ANY OTHER SERVICE THAT MAY NOT BE HOT QUALIFYING. SO THAT'S THE SECOND PRONG TO THIS. THE THIRD PRONG IS SPECIFICALLY GETTING APPROVAL FOR A SET AMOUNT ON THE BREWS AND BALLOONS EVENT. THEIR REQUEST IN THE PACKET IS AROUND 42,000. HOWEVER, DUE TO TIMING, THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY MAY INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE FOURTH PRONG, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY AN EASY THING TO FIX, IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE CURRENT POLICY LIMITS ELIGIBLE EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT UP TO 50%. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO 100%, SO THAT ANY QUALIFYING EXPENDITURE IS REFUNDED AT 100%, RATHER THAN THE 50%. AND THEN. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. OH, AND LAST 
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BUT NOT LEAST, IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE APPROVAL THAT COUNCIL PRODUCE A DOCUMENT THAT CAN GIVE THEM A, LIKE A, A 1010 PRONG APPROVAL PROCESS SO THAT WHEN THERE IS A QUALIFYING EVENT, YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO SUBMIT THOSE RECEIPTS SO THAT THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY ON THAT PROCESS, THAT IT'S VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR FROM A, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT PROCESS IS SUPER EASY. SO THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. THERE'S FIVE THINGS HERE, AND I KNOW THAT. WERE YOU GOING TO ALSO READ IN THE EDC WORKSHOP DISCUSSION AS A PART OF THIS? YEAH, MY, MY THOUGHT WAS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BREWS AND BALLOONS PORTION OF IT FIRST. 
          AND THEN AFTER WE MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, BECAUSE THE REST OF IT IS A LARGER DISCUSSION, THEN I'LL READ IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONE. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. MR. PRINCE, QUESTION FOR BRAD. SO THE THE 50% OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSES AND MR. BENEFIELD WAS JUST SUGGESTING WE RAISED 100%. IS THAT A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT OR THAT'S A LOCAL POLICY DECISION? LAGO VISTA POLICY DECISION. THANK YOU. THAT I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS THEN. ALL RIGHT. I ASSUME YOU'RE THE I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR IT. SO SORRY IF YOU WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR IT. I FIGURED I WOULD SPEAK ON ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ONE THAT HAS THE KNOWLEDGE ON IT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ALL OF YOU MIGHT HAVE. I'M GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND EXCITED TO SHARE HOW FAR WE'VE COME IN THE PAST YEAR, AND TO STILL BE STANDING HERE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN THE FUTURE. I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF INTENTIONAL AND MEANINGFUL CHANGES WITH THE CHAMBER AND HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS. WE'VE STRENGTHENED OUR ORGANIZATION AND CREATED A LOT OF NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS COMMUNITY. BUT THIS IS MORE ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE AND BUILDING ON THAT AND THE PROGRESS THAT WE CAN ALL MAKE IF WE'RE REALLY WORKING TOGETHER. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT EDC TALK COMES IN AND THE CHAMBER AND THE FUTURE OF EVERYTHING. AND SO I DO HAVE A, A CHAMBER SLIDESHOW THAT KIND OF ENDS WITH THE BREWS AND BALLOONS, BUT WE CAN START WITH BREWS AND BALLOONS AND GO TO THAT AFTER IF YOU WANT. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EVENT. BREWS AND BALLOONS. IT IS COMING UP IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN A COUPLE WEEKS HERE. SO YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED A PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING TO FUND IT UP FRONT BECAUSE I, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN SPENDING ANY OF OUR OPERATIONAL RESERVES ON SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REIMBURSED. AND THEN IF WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY, WE PAY IT RIGHT BACK. WE OPENED A SEPARATE BANK ACCOUNT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS. ALL THE HOT MONEY GOES DIRECTLY INTO THAT. ANY INVOICE PAID IS SENT DIRECTLY TO YOU AND PAID STRAIGHT FROM THAT ACCOUNT. SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EVERY PENNY IS GOING. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S 100% COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE HOT LAWS. I'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS. BEEN TALKING TO QUITE A FEW OF YOU AS WELL, JUST BRINGING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE BACK END WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S IT'S CORRECT. I'VE TALKED TO COUNTLESS OTHER CITIES ON HOW THEY'RE DOING THIS, OTHER CHAMBERS AND HOW PARTNERSHIPS LIKE THIS. LOOK, THE ONE BIG ISSUE I HAD WITH THE POLICY WAS THE 50% REIMBURSEMENT, BECAUSE THAT IS A POLICY THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON AT ONE POINT, AND IT JUST MAKES IT EXTREMELY RISKY FOR ANYONE TO BORROW MONEY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A CHANCE ON, ON IT WHEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SUPPORT YOU NEED TO PUT ON A VERY LARGE SCALE EVENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH BREWS AND BALLOONS. BUT YOU HAVE THE PACKET. I HOPE YOU LOOKED IT OVER AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT EVENT. ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE BREWS AND BALLOONS EVENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION? I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. YEAH. I WAS SO SURE OF Y'ALL'S SUCCESS. I WAS ACTUALLY ASKING LEGAL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY THEY START BRINGING IN $200,000 NEXT YEAR OFF OF THIS BREWS AND BALLOONS THING. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A PIE IN THE SKY THING, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS EVENT IS GOING TO JUST EXPONENTIALLY GET BIGGER YEAR OVER YEAR. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS COMING UP BECAUSE WORD IS GETTING AROUND. 
          I'VE ALREADY SEEN SOCIAL MEDIA IN DIFFERENT CITIES ALREADY ADVERTISING YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, SHARING, SHARING, SHARING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE TESTAMENT. I WAS DOWN IN GALVESTON ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AND THEIR CHAMBER ACTUALLY HAD Y'ALL'S WEB PAGE UP ON THERE SAYING BEACH, GO TO LAKESIDE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING DOWN THERE. I'M VERY INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO GET FREE MARKETING IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY POSSIBLE, AND IT IS GOING TO THE OTHER CITIES, TALKING TO THEM AND, AND ASKING THEM TO HELP ME. IT WAS IT WAS SHOOTING ACROSS THE SCREEN. AND I WAS ALL LIKE, ALLISON'S TALKING TO THE GALVESTON CHAMBER. AND YOU 
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HAD TOLD ME YOU HAD. BUT THIS WAS GREAT NEWS. AND THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, BEACH ONE WEEKEND, LAKESIDE THE NEXT. SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FABULOUS IDEA AND YOUR STUFF WAS ALREADY UP THERE. SO IT'S GETTING IT'S GETTING TRACTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHAMBER? MR. WELL, JUST TO LOGISTICALLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE BREWS AND BALLOONS DOCUMENT THAT I THINK, BRAD, YOU SENT TO COUNCIL HAS ALLISON AND THE AND HER TEAM SEEN THE SAME DOCUMENT OR NOT? YOU MEAN THE CONTRACT, THE THE THE LATEST DOCUMENT WHICH HAS THE. YEAH. EVENT. CONTRACT. 
          YEAH. HAVE YOU SEEN THEM? I HAVEN'T SEEN A FINAL CONTRACT. I MAY HAVE SEEN BITS OF PIECES OF A A DRAFT CONTRACT BUT NO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FINAL. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT BITS AND PIECES YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN, BUT I MEAN I SENT OUT AN ENTIRE DOCUMENT, BUT I, AND I DIDN'T SHARE THOSE DOCUMENTS PER YOUR REQUEST. YEAH. SO, SO THE, THE UPDATE THAT WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH REGARD TO A NEW SUBSECTION B THAT I GUESS THAT HAS NOT BEEN SHARED. I'VE GOT TO SHARE IT WITH Y'ALL FIRST, BUT, BUT IN ANY EVENT. YOU ARE THE, THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED WAS RELATED TO AN INTERPRETATION OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. AND WHAT, WHAT A NEW SUBSECTION I THINK IS WHAT 2.5 NEW SUBSECTION B SAYS IS THAT THAT THE 2.5 NOW ROMAN ONE WILL NOT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ANY OTHERWISE ELIGIBLE EXPENSE. THAT'S THAT'S ELIGIBLE HOT EXPENSE FOR 4.5. IT IS, I'M SORRY, 4.5. AND SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT SO THAT SHOULD BE GOOD NEWS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN THE OTHER CHANGE, BRAD, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS IN THE DOCUMENT, PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE DOCUMENT, THEY WERE REQUESTING $42,000 WORTH OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSES. AND YOUR ASSESSMENT AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT SOME OF THAT IS NOT ELIGIBLE AND THE NUMBER IS 30,000. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NEWS TO ALLISON. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT ALREADY. I JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS SO THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE MONEY ON, I'M GOING TO CUT IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS THAT WERE ELIGIBLE OR LISTED IN A CHART IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD HAVE THAT YOU SAW. SO, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN I DID SHARE THAT ONE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAD INDICATED THAT WAS A SHAREABLE DOCUMENT. SO I DID SHARE IT. OKAY. I'LL LOOK BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN LINE BY LINE ITEMS, WHICH THERE WERE LINE BY LINES. AND MR. PRINCE, JUST MY ADVICE TO THAT WAS, IS THE INITIAL SUBMISSION, AS IT WAS STATED, HAD ABOUT $30,000 OF LIKELY APPROVED EVENTS. SO MY I WENT BACK TO THE CHAMBER AND I SAID, LOOK, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK THESE UP A LITTLE BIT TO, TO, TO ADVERTISE THEM DIFFERENTLY. LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE ALCOHOL THAT JUST AREN'T GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE. BUT LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS THE VIP LOUNGE. AND JUST AS A SUGGESTION WAS INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING A VIP LOUNGE THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY, MAYBE YOU DO A VIP LOUNGE THAT HAS SOME KIND OF SPECIAL ACCESS FOR THOSE THAT CAN PROVIDE PROOF THAT THEY STAYED THE NIGHT HERE IN LAGO VISTA, YOU KNOW? SO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THESE THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T QUALIFYING TODAY AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET THEM TO QUALIFY. YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE CONCERN I DID HAVE ON THAT, THE SECTION THAT I SAW WAS. WORDED IN A WAY WHERE I WASN'T CONFIDENT IN, IN HOW IT WAS WORDED, AND IT WAS THAT ANY REVENUE BROUGHT IN WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID BACK TO. THAT'S WHAT WE ADDRESSED WITH THE 4.5. AND THAT'S THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'S NO POINT IN US TRYING TO DO A FUNDRAISING EVENT IF I HAVE TO GIVE IT ALL BACK. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S IT. SOUNDS GREAT TO ME SO FAR. YEAH. THE ONLY, THE ONLY STATE LAW, I MEAN, THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT REMAINS THE SAME IS THAT EXPENDITURES MUST BE ELIGIBLE. AND IF UPON THE FINAL POST EVENT AUDIT AND PROVISION OF DOCUMENTS THAT THAT INELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES ARE MADE, THEN THAT MONEY IT HAS TO UNDER STATE LAW HAS TO BE RETURNED. SO I MEAN, THAT'S JUST STATE LAW. YEAH. MR. BENEFIELD, SO WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE IS THAT. WE APPROVE AN AMOUNT THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THEIR ORIGINAL ASK OF 42,000. 
          AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS WE'RE 2 OR 3 WEEKS AWAY FROM THE EVENT. I HAVE I'VE 
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BEEN I HAVE NOT PAID $1 TO ANY VENDOR BECAUSE I REFUSED TO BEFORE WE HAD THIS MEETING. AND A FEW OF THEM ARE BEING BOOKED AND THE LOWER RATES AND SOME OF THEM ARE COMING IN HIGHER THAN MY ESTIMATES. SO. BUT SOME ARE COMING IN WAY UNDER. SO IT'S POTENTIAL, IT'S IT'S LOWER THAN THAT THAN IT IS, BUT I'M NOT 100% ON THE NUMBERS QUITE YET BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PAID TO BOOK THEM. YEAH. SO MY, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE APPROVE AN AMOUNT SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE PAY IT OUT. IT JUST GIVES AN AUTHORIZATION TO. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S LIKE AN INSURANCE POLICY THEY'D LIKE TO PURCHASE OF WEATHER INSURANCE, WEATHER INSURANCE, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A RAIN, RAIN OR SOMETHING. SO GIVING, GIVING THEM AUTHORIZATION FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT AND THEN, AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK WITH QUALIFYING RECEIPTS. AND IF IT ENDS UP BEING 30,000, WHICH MAY BE WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, IT MIGHT BE 38,000. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT LANDS. MIGHT BE 25, MIGHT BE 25. YEAH. 
          I, I'M GOING TO DO MY HARDEST TO GET THE BEST DEAL ON EVERYTHING. AND AS A BOARD, WE HAVE A RULE OF THUMB THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND GET AT LEAST THREE QUOTES ON EACH THING WE'RE DOING. AND I HAVE THEM. THEY'RE COMING IN. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE TWO WEEKS OUT BY THE TIME I GET A CHECK NEXT WEEK. AND THE SECOND THING THAT I'M GOING TO REQUEST IN THE MOTION IS THAT THE THRESHOLD FOR THE AMOUNT PAID UP FRONT WILL BE INCREASED. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE CONTRACT HAS IT WRITTEN AT 20,000. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCREASED. AND THE WAY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCREASED IS ANY EXPENSES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCUR. YOU PRESENT THAT TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND IF NECESSARY, HE CAN PRESENT IT TO BRAD AND SAY, YES, THIS IS GOING TO QUALIFY. THIS LOOKS ELIGIBLE SO THAT THERE'S NOT A CLAWBACK SITUATION AT THE END. 
          RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL PROTECTION THAT YOU BROUGHT THE YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT THE TRANSACTION BEFORE YOU PAID IT. CITY MANAGER SAYS, YES, THIS LOOKS GREAT. AND THEN YOU PAY IT. YEP. HAPPY TO DO THAT. SOUNDS GREAT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT, MR. BENFIELD, IS THAT THAT PUTS POTENTIALLY A LOT OF WORKLOAD ON CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL EXPENSES AND ON ON ALLISON TO DO THE DO THE CONNECTION, TRYING TO GET IT ALL EVERY FRIDAY. YEAH, I GUESS MY, MY COUNTER SUGGESTION WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES. PICK A NUMBER, WHETHER IT'S 20,000 OR 30,000, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THAT NOT TO EXCEED UPFRONT NUMBER. AND THEN ALLISON CAN PICK IT AND IT NEEDS TO BE, SHE SAYS, I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES THAT COVER THIS AMOUNT. 
          SO WRITE ME A CHECK FOR THAT AMOUNT. SHE'S TAKING THE RISK OF HAVING TO PAY IT BACK IF SHE CAN'T DO THAT, AND THEN A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER FOR THE ENTIRE EVENT. SO MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, 20 MAXIMUM OF 25,000 UP FRONT, MAXIMUM OF 50,000 FOR THE EVENT. AND IT ALL HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE. 
          YEAH, I, I LIKE THAT AS WELL. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WE DO 30, LET'S SAY WE APPROVE 30,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY GO OUT AND SPEND $30,000 THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE REFUNDABLE OR REIMBURSABLE. AND IT ENDS UP NOT BEING. AND THEY WOULD HAVE MADE A DECISION DIFFERENTLY. SO I DON'T THINK SHE HAS TO DO IT, BUT IF SHE WOULD LIKE GUIDANCE ON A PARTICULAR PURCHASE, I THINK WE ALLOW THE LATITUDE FOR HER TO COME AND SAY, HEY, IS THIS GOING TO BE REIMBURSED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND IT UNLESS I KNOW? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ALTERNATIVE. SO RATHER THAN SAYING SHE HAS TO DO IT ON EVERY SINGLE PURCHASE, IF SHE FEELS SHE'S UNCERTAIN. EXACTLY. AND I PROBABLY SAID THAT WRONG, I APOLOGIZE AND. MR. JOY, I'LL INVITE YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ARRANGEMENT? YEAH, I THINK THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING IS US, MYSELF AND STAFF. SO I'M NOT IT'S NOT JUST ME DOING THE WORK. 
          I GOT A REALLY GOOD STAFF. I THINK THE KEY IS TO GET BRAD AND HIS ASSOCIATES TO GIVE US AND ALLISON AND WHOEVER ELSE NEEDS IT, SOME TRAINING ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN BETTER PROCESS THIS FASTER SO THAT EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. AND SO I THINK AS WE GET BETTER EDUCATED AS ENTITIES LIKE THE CHAMBER GET BETTER EDUCATED, WE CAN PROCESS THESE THINGS FASTER. AND Y'ALL GIVING US SOME GUIDANCE OF HERE'S YOUR LIMIT IT MAKES WOULD MAKE ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. I WILL SAY THAT I'VE TALKED TO GENERAL COUNSEL, AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE AS WELL DOWN AT THAT HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION WHO GOVERNS THIS TAX CODE. AND I ASKED, CAN YOU PLEASE COME OUT AND GIVE US A CLASS? LET'S INVITE EVERY SINGLE NONPROFIT THAT IS QUALIFYING A SPORTS OR FINE ARTS OR SOMEONE THAT DOES PROVIDE HEADS AND BEDS, EVENTS AND GET THE CITY IN, AND IT CAN BE OPEN TO WHOEVER WANTS TO COME, AND HE'S HAPPY TO DO IT. AND HE CAN COME AS EARLY AS END OF NEXT WEEK. SO YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW WHEN WE WANT TO DO THAT AND WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN, BECAUSE I 100% AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THAT WE ALL JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH 
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HIM AND HE CAN ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THAT EVERYONE HAS. AND IT'S, IT'S A, WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP DOING THIS. YEAH. MISS VENICE. YEAH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE SYSTEMS NOW THAT ALLOW YOU TO DO MORE DETAILED EXPENSE RECORDATION THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO CATEGORIZE AS HOT FUNDS. SO FOR THIS EVENT SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO THE WEBSITE YET, WE'VE CREATED AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE WEBSITE CALLED BREWS AND BALLOONS.COM. AIRBNB AND VRBO ARE BUILT INTO THIS WEBSITE. AND SO IF THEY ARE PURCHASING TICKETS OR STAY WANTING TO STAY THE WEEKEND, IT REALLY ENCOURAGES THEM TO STAY THE WEEKEND. THEY CAN BOOK IT DIRECTLY STRAIGHT THROUGH THAT SITE, AND IT IS TRACKING EVERY GOOGLE ANALYTIC CLICK FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND IT IS HOPEFULLY IF THEY'RE BOOKING THROUGH THAT SITE, WE KNOW EXACTLY. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE BOOKING SEPARATELY, IT'S HARD TO TRACK THAT. BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO AIRBNB AND VRBO. IT'S NOT EASY TO GET THAT INFORMATION. WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW MEMBERS THAT DO HAVE LODGING FACILITIES, AND WE'RE ASKING THEM, HEY, IS IT BOOKED FOR THAT WEEKEND? BUT YEAH, THAT'S IT IS HARD TO GET THAT DATA. OUR TICKET SALES ARE FORCING ZIP CODE ENTRY, SO THAT WILL BENEFIT EVERY SINGLE ITEM WE SELL WILL ALSO FORCE A ZIP CODE ENTRY. LAST YEAR WE PUT QR CODES AROUND AND WE HAD AN OKAY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SCAN THEM, AND WE HAD ABOUT 40% OF OUR ATTENDEES WERE FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR ZIP CODE. BUT IT WASN'T THE BEST DATA AS VOLUNTARY. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK AS WE GET BETTER AT THIS, AS WE GET TRAINED, GET BETTER AT IT, MORE EFFICIENT AS, AS MR. JOY SAID, I THINK HAVING THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO HELP SUPPORT. SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THAT KIND OF DETAILED TO SEE IF IT'S WORTH US DOING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED WE NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS AN EVENT THAT IS WORTH CONTINUING AND INVESTING IN. AND THAT'S AS A PRIORITY OF MINE, AS WELL AS FIGURING ALL OF THOSE STATS OUT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHAMBER? IF NOT, THEN YOU TAKE A SEAT. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP, AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU MAYOR, I'M REALLY, REALLY, TRULY PLEASED TO HEAR THE COLLABORATION AND HOW WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER. BASED ON JUST THE DISCUSSIONS UP HERE, I KIND OF WANT TO KNOCK THIS OUT OF THE WAY. SO. AND MR. BENNEFIELD, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD ANY DIFFERENCE. BUT FIRST, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE THAT THE CITY FUNDING OF UP TO 50,000 FOR THE NORTH LAKE TRAVIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 2026 BREWS AND BALLOONS EVENT SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER, FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND CITY ATTORNEY. VERIFYING ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, IDENTIFYING LAWFUL AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES AND ESTABLISHING APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION ACCOUNTING RECONCILIATION REQUIREMENTS FOR GIMME. JUST GOT TO PUT ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE FURTHER. WOULD LIKE TO, IN ADDITION TO THAT MOTION, AUTHORIZE THE ADVANCE PAYMENT OF $25,000, SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. THE PAYMENT STRUCTURE IS LAWFUL AND INCLUDES APPROPRIATE FINANCIAL SAFEGUARDS AND A REQUIREMENT TO RETURN UNUSED OR INELIGIBLE FUNDS. THIS AUTHORIZATION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE TIMELY ASSISTANCE FOR THE EVENT, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE HOT FUNDS ARE USED ONLY FOR QUALIFYING VISITORS. ANY OF THAT PORTION THAT CANNOT BE LAWFULLY BE FUNDED THROUGH HOT REVENUES MUST BE SEPARATELY IDENTIFIED AND NOT BE DISPERSED FROM ANOTHER CITY FUNDING SOURCE WITHOUT THE NECESSARY COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION. SO VERY DETAILED, BUT THERE IT IS. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD. AND SECONDLY, MAKE A ADD TO THE MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE CITY'S HOT EVENT REIMBURSEMENT POLICY TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM REIMBURSEMENT FROM 50% UP TO 100% OF DOCUMENTED HOT ELIGIBLE EVENT EXPENSES, SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE LAW, AVAILABLE FUNDING AND CITY APPROVAL. THIS CHANGE WOULD PROVIDE THE COUNCIL GREATER FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT EXPANDING WHAT IS LEGALLY ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDING. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I'M SORRY. THOSE HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. YOU CAN'T. YEAH. SORRY. SO NUMBER SO AND THEN I APOLOGIZE. BUT THEN AND THEN IT WITH YOUR WHAT WOULD BE I GUESS THE I DON'T CARE THE ORDER BUT THE MOTION RELATED TO THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE EXPENDITURE NEEDS TO INCLUDE THEN THE AUTHORITY FOR I THINK I DID IT FOR THE MAYOR. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO'S ON THE CONTRACT TO SIGN, BUT EXIT AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE PROVIDED. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION 
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THAT I PUT. GO AHEAD AND TAKE OFF THE SECOND PIECE IN REGARD TO THE POLICY, BUT ALSO ADD THAT IT. WE WOULD EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT OR GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER. AND LIST ME AS THE SIGNATORY. THE. THEN AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. 
          PRO TEM, DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FOR MR. HALL. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. PRINCE? WE JUST WANT TO. IT WAS IMPLICIT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU EXPLICITLY SAYING THIS FUNDING WOULD BE ALL COMING FROM HOT FUNDS. I WOULD ACCEPT SAYING THAT THIS IS ALL COMING FROM HOT FUNDS AS PART OF THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, MR. HALL. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          YES. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. DUE TO THE TIMELINE, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD POSSIBLY DO 30,000 UP FRONT INSTEAD OF THE 25, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ON A VERY SHORT TIME SCHEDULE AND GETTING THESE MONIES OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER WEEK BEFORE CHECKS PROCESS. CORRECT. SO YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE. 
          SO I WOULD I WOULD ASK FOR IT TO BE AMENDED TO 30,000 UP FRONT GOING GOING FORWARD. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? I'M OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT. MR. HALL, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? I'M FINE WITH IT, YES. OKAY. MR. BENFIELD, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK THE CHAMBER QUESTION? IS 30,000 GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT OR. I THINK YOUR ORIGINAL REQUEST IS 100% OF ELIGIBLE FUNDS BE PAID UP FRONT? IS 30,000 GOING TO GET YOU THERE? YEAH. YEAH, I'LL I'LL MAKE IT WORK. YEAH. I APPRECIATE AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS FOR YOU. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT IN HAVING THE CITY PAY FOR ANY OF THESE EXPENSES UP FRONT. SO THERE'S NOT LIKE WE WRITE THEM A CHECK AND THEN IT GOES INTO THEIR BANK AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK. 
          IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO THE CHAMBER JUST SIMPLY PROVIDING AN INVOICE AND SAYING, WOULD YOU PLEASE PAY THIS ON OUR BEHALF? I THINK THE I THINK THE BENEFIT IS. MAYBE PUT IT THIS WAY, I THINK THE POTENTIAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE CITY COULD DO THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY IT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO STEP INTO THE SHOES AND THEN SIGN THESE CONTRACTS AND REVIEW AND WHATEVER THOSE AGREEMENTS MIGHT BE. I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT ADD MORE TIME. WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO'VE ALREADY GOT THESE THINGS IN PLACE. AND SO IT MIGHT BE JUST QUICKER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WOULD BE MY I DON'T I'LL BE MY GUESS. THANK YOU. MR. MY, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT IT NOT DO IT THAT WAY. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE ONE TO OBTAIN THE INSURANCE POLICY. YEAH. WE COULD NOT BE. YEAH. THOSE CHECKS FOR THAT ENTITY UNDER THE POLICY FOR IT. SO. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, THEN WE HAVE THE AMENDED MOTION UP FOR A VOTE. WITH ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, MAYOR, BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT NOTES TO MAKE EDITS TO THE AGREEMENT. SO IT'S IT'S 30 K ADVANCE ADVANCE AND THEN UP TO 50 K TOTAL AND UP TO 50 K. OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND GET THAT OUT TOMORROW. MR. BENFIELD AND ALLISON, PLEASE LOOK AT THAT PDF DOCUMENT I SENT YOU FROM BRAD BECAUSE THERE WAS ITEMIZATIONS IN THERE OF SAYING THIS IS APPROVED, THIS IS NOT APPROVED. AND THAT'S WHERE HE CAME UP WITH THAT $30,000. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BE REALLY CAUTIOUS TO NOT SPEND THINGS ON THINGS THAT BRAD HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS CONTRACT, THAT THE ONLY WHAT YOU'LL GET, WHAT YOU'LL GET IS A IS AN UPDATED VERSION WITH WITH SOME DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND THE 30 IN THE 50. AND THEN BUT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL ASK BEING FOR 42 AND CHANGE, THE REVIEW ONLY LED TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OVER 30 OF THAT ACTUALLY BEING ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES. AND SO AND THAT IS THE 30 IS IN A CHART THAT'S IN THAT CONTRACT. AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. YEAH. I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE EVENT INTO THAT PACKET. SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING I ANTICIPATED. OKAY. WELL THEN I'M OPEN TO A MOTION ON THE 50 TO 100% POLICY AS WELL. I MEAN. I JUST, I'M, I JUST WANT TO, I NEED TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROPERLY AGENDIZED FOR THAT. I THINK WE 
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ARE, BUT I'M NOT. IS IT? YEAH. THE LAST PART OF IT SAYS AMENDMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENT REIMBURSEMENT LIMIT FOR 50% UP TO 100% OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSES. YEAH. OKAY. THEN THEN THEN WE'RE OKAY FROM AN AGENDA STANDPOINT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AT SOME SEPARATE ITEMS OR MOTION. SORRY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT THEN, MAYOR PRO TEM, IF I MAY, I'LL JUST STATE IT AGAIN THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CITY'S HOT EVENT REIMBURSEMENT POLICY TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM REIMBURSEMENT FROM 50% UP TO 100% OF DOCUMENTED HOT ELIGIBLE EVENT EXPENSES, SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE LAW, AVAILABLE FUNDING AND CITY APPROVAL. AND THIS CHANGE PROVIDES COUNCIL GREATER FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT EXPANDING WHAT IS LEGALLY ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDING. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YES. IS AND I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IS THAT IS THAT POLICY? IS THAT IS THAT IN AN ORDINANCE OR IS IT JUST. BUT WAS THAT POLICY ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION, OR DO WE KNOW. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YOU MAY WANT TO INCLUDE IN YOUR MOTION TO AMEND AS APPLICABLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS ADOPTED. COVER THE BASES AND SAY, IF APPLICABLE, AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT THAT JUST GIVES ME THE US, THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. IF APPLICABLE, AMEND THE AMEND ANY ORDINANCE AND, IF APPLICABLE, PLEASE AMEND THE RESOLUTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE YOU ACCEPTABLE TO THAT AMENDMENT? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION. MR. HALL. WELL, I HAVE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR FOR ONE THING, THE THE BAR IS PRETTY HIGH ON WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDING. AND I'VE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR PAYING 100% OF THAT, THOSE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, RECOGNIZING THAT NOT ALL THE EXPENSES OF AN EVENT MAY BE ELIGIBLE, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S ASKING WHOEVER'S DOING THE EVENT TO TAKE A LOSS. AND, AND THAT JUST MAY NOT BE REALISTIC AND CERTAINLY NO REASON FOR US TO, TO REQUIRE THAT. SO I SO, SO AGAIN, I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR IT AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. BEFORE WE GO INTO THE OTHER ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. IT WAS MY RECOLLECTION THAT WHEN WE TABLED THIS VISITOR CENTER AGREEMENT BEFORE, WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF STRATEGIC PLANNING OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY'S INTERNAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. I PUT AN ITEM ON HERE SO THAT THEY COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING INTERNALLY. SO I'M GOING TO READ THAT ITEM IN ALONG WITH 
          [X.1. Discuss the 2027 Economic Development and tourism strategy for the city.]
THIS. SO ITEM TEN WORK SESSION. DISCUSS THE 2027 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOURISM STRATEGY FOR THE CITY. AND I HAVE MR. ZENO, WHO WILL GIVE US A QUICK PRESENTATION. AND YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A HANDOUT HERE WITH YOU. MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL, YOU HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM THAT THE MAYOR IS REFERENCING TO IS THE DISCUSS THE 2027 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM STRATEGIC STRATEGY FOR THE CITY. I THINK ABOUT SIX MAYBE, MAYBE MAY OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL TO GET YOUR VISION AND THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTED US TO GO IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT TO THE DATE THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. SO THIS IS KIND OF A WHAT WE DID IN HOUSE AND STAFF AND KIND OF OUR STRATEGY FOR THE CITY. AND OF COURSE, THAT COULD CHANGE WHEN YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING. ONCE WE HAVE THAT. SO I THINK YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO PIE CHART BY PIE CHART OR ITEM BY ITEM. OKAY. MR. MR. JORDAN, PULL UP THE ACTUAL. I'M ALLISON, YOU WANT ME TO GO ITEM BY ITEM? I CAN ALSO IN THAT I'LL PUT ANOTHER DOCUMENT ON YOUR DIAS FOR YOU, WHICH IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I THINK OTHER THAN MAYBE MR. PRINCE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF MR. PRINCE WAS AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED. THAT WAS IN 2019. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL THEN. THANK YOU. SO JUST KIND OF A LITTLE HISTORY OF HOW THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE SINCE THAT IT WASN'T CREATED. SO I'LL PROCEED. HOWEVER YOU WANT ME TO PROCEED ON THAT, MAYOR? YEAH. YEAH. SO 
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YOU WANT TO GO? OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE THE TITLE ITEMS ON THAT. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ACTUAL FULL DOCUMENT, KIND OF LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS KIND OF BUSINESS RECRUITMENT AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE GOAL TO ATTRACT QUALITY RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND OTHER BUSINESSES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF LOCAL RESIDENTS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S LONG TERM ECONOMIC GROWTH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO READ EACH BULLET POINT. I THINK EVERYBODY CAN READ, SO I HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR DIRECTION. WE WANT TO GO IN THAT WITH THAT BULLET POINT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NEXT AREA? NEXT IS THE BUSINESS RETENTION EXPANSION AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP GOAL SUPPORT EXISTING BUSINESSES, ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT AND RELATIONSHIP WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN INFORMAL BUSINESS RETENTION EXPANSION PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALIZE THAT MUCH BETTER, FORMALIZE THAT PROGRAM. OF COURSE, WE DO THE PLAQUE APPRECIATIONS. WE JUST DID ONE FOR STARBUCKS. THANK YOU TO MAYOR SON. WE DO BUSINESS SPOTLIGHTS AND PROGRAMS THAT THE BUSINESSES SEEM TO LIKE THAT WITH ME AND THE MAYOR COME OUT AND DO THOSE TYPE OF SPOTLIGHTS I WANT TO START. WE DO HAVE A HOST OF BUSINESS ROUNDTABLES. NEXT ONE WILL BE NOVEMBER THE 5TH, WHICH WILL BE KELLY PEARCY WITH THE BALCONES CANYONLANDS WILL BE ON OUR GUEST SPEAKER FOR THAT ONE. CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO PROMOTE LOCAL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS A BIG ONE. DEVELOP A BUSINESS RESOURCE GAP WITH PERMITTING. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS OR THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. SO WE NEED SOME TYPE OF RESOURCE GUIDE TO KIND OF HELP THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW THAT PROCESS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AND DESTINATION MARKETING. AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE WHOLE THING, BUT WE JUST BECAME A BUILD OUR CITIES, TEXAS TOURISM FRIENDLY TEXAS CERTIFIED COMMUNITY DESIGNATION. I THINK AMANDA AND JENNIFER WORKED ON THAT IN HERE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG HELP COURSE, DEVELOP WEEKEND EVENTS AND EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCES, ENCOURAGING VISITORS TO STAY OVERNIGHT AND SPEND MORE MONEY LOCALLY, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATE WITH BALCONIES CANYONLANDS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE WE MET WITH KELLY PEARCY ON MUST HAVE BEEN LAST WEEK. SHE HAS SOME GREAT IDEAS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOUR AND TOUR OF FACILITY AND TALK TO HER AGAIN. MR. MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK ESTABLISHED TOURISM PERFORMANCE DASHBOARD THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. WE NEED A DASHBOARD TO KIND OF TRACK THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, VISITOR ACTIVITY, HOTEL OCCUPANCY AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SPECIAL EVENTS AND SPORTS AND TOURISM. I GET TO THAT LATER. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR IN THE ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT NOW AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE STRENGTHENING THE, THE EVENTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WORK WITH PARKS AND REC. WE ACTUALLY MET WITH PRCAC ABOUT, I THINK, WHAT'S IT BEEN LAST MONTH? COUNCIL MEMBER VAN NESS WAS IN THAT KIND OF BEEN SPEAKING WITH THEM ABOUT SOME SPORTS TOURISM TYPE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN HAVE. AGAIN, ENCOURAGE EVENTS ORGANIZERS TO PARTNER WITH LOCAL HOTELS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE NOW WE HAVE ONE COMING, HOPEFULLY SHORT TERM RENTALS, RESTAURANTS, BUSINESSES. AND AGAIN, WE NEED WE HAVE TO REVIEW OUR HOTEL TAX FOR OURSELVES. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME THINGS THAT WE DO FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENT READINESS. AGAIN, IMPROVED ABILITY TO COMPETE FOR COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT BY IDENTIFYING AND ADDRESSING DEVELOPMENT BARRIERS. OF COURSE, THIS IS A GOOD ONE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS TO IDENTIFY INFRASTRUCTURE LIMITATIONS AFFECTING COMMERCIAL SITES. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMERCIAL SITES ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, SO WE'RE KIND OF REACHING OUT TO THOSE. SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO REACH THEM TO TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNER LANDOWNERS ABOUT THEIR COMMERCIAL SITES. CAN WE GET SOME COLLABORATIONS AND THINGS GOING ON IN THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT PLANNING EFFORTS FOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS? I HOPE IN THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING, YOU ALL WILL GIVE US OUR VISION WHERE YOU ALL SEE THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BEING. EVALUATE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, PARTNERSHIPS TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE. STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS, GRANTS AND REGIONAL COLLABORATION. WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OPPORTUNITY. ALLISON. IN FACT, THEY'RE COMING OUT FOR A TOUR ON THE MAYOR TO BE ON THAT TOUR AS WELL. AND AS A CITY MANAGER, I THINK THIS NOVEMBER THEY'LL BE COMING OUT. THAT'S OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, WHERE THEY DO 1313 CITIES AND REGIONAL PARTY. WE DO A REGIONAL PARTNER EFFORT WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS. THEY HAVE A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN THAT POSITION NOW, SO SHE'LL BE OUT AS WELL. SO WE KIND OF GET THEIR VISION FOR WHAT THESE WHAT THE NEXT I THINK IS 5.0. 
          IS THERE OPPORTUNITY AFTER 5.5.0 SERIES THIS TIME? LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. WE HAVE AN EDC AS ■YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF WORK WITH THEM. WE TALKED AT EDC MEETING ON YESTERDAY OR TUESDAY. I THINK TODAY IS THURSDAY. SO KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM ON SOME THINGS. I THINK FARMER DAVID IS HE'S IN HERE STILL KIND OF HAS SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR THAT. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EDC. KIND OF EXPLORE JOINT TOURISM PROMOTION WITH NEARBY COMMUNITIES AND REGIONAL ATTRACTIONS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE CAN DO SOME JOINT THINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GET THEM INVOLVED AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IT'S A WIN WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY, WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. SO WE DO THAT AGAIN, CONTINUED COLLABORATION WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND SO 
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WE'LL DO THAT. ESTABLISH A QUARTERLY PARTNER ENGAGEMENT SCHEDULE. SO WE WANT TO KIND OF WITH OUR PARTNERS CHAMBER, KEEP A VISIBILITY. FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, PARKS AND REC KIND OF HAVE A QUALITY PARTNER ENGAGEMENT SCHEDULE, KIND OF WE MEET ALL TOGETHER AND KIND OF BRAINSTORMING, THROW SOME THOUGHTS TOGETHER ACROSS EACH OTHER. NEXT ONE PLEASE. AND THIS IS THE COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING KIND OF THAT'S ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. NOW THAT'S MORE OF THE AMANDA KIND OF, I'LL LET Y'ALL KIND OF READ WHAT SHE DOES AND KIND OF HELPS US WITH THE COMPONENTS OF THAT AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE IS THE, AGAIN, JUST GOING BACK TO THE DASHBOARD AND THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR. MISS VENICE. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. SO I THINK ONE OF OUR ASKS WAS TO AND THIS JUST COULD BE ME, YOU KNOW, BEING A YEAR IN ON COUNCIL, BUT HAVING A MORE KIND OF STRATEGIC DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION AROUND HOW THE CITY AND CHAMBER COLLABORATE, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG PART OF IT IS TAKE A STEP BACK FROM HOT FUNDING AND AGREEMENTS AND STUFF, AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF HOW CAN WE WORK HAND IN HAND, MORE SUCCESSFULLY AND SYSTEMATICALLY SO THE CHAMBER DOES BETTER, BUT ALSO WE GET TO REAP THE BENEFIT AS A CITY. SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU AND ALLISON HAD HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I SEE SOME BULLETS IN HERE OF COLLABORATION, BUT I MEAN, HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO APPROACH THAT, I GUESS, OR WHERE DO YOU SEE THE THE BEST WAY FOR COLLABORATION GOING FORWARD AROUND TOURISM, AROUND GETTING LOGO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BEYOND JUST WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S HOT FUNDS ELIGIBLE OR NOT. SO JUST I'M NOT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT COMMENT. COME ON. ACTUALLY, I HAVE A VERY SIMILAR SLIDE SHOW YOU ABOUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. A LOT SIMPLER, BUT IN IT ADDRESSES EXACTLY THAT HOW WE ARE A TRIANGLE OF AN EDC AND ED AND A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND HOW I ENVISION TAKING SOME OF THAT OFF OF YOUR PLATE, BECAUSE IT CAN GO IN A, IN A, IN ITS OWN CATEGORY. AND HOW MAYBE WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE CAN ALL BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE WITH OUR TIME BY NOT DOUBLE DOING THINGS, BUT JUST REALLY WORKING TOGETHER. AND SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO. AND FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, THE CITY HAD TO HAVE THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO DECEMBER TIMELINE. SO I'M I'VE ASKED FOR IT, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE, MAYBE WE ARE READY FOR IT SOONER THAN YOU THINK. THAT'S WHERE MY MY ADD TO THAT WAS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR DISCUSSION ON STRATEGY AND TELL ERIC KIND OF WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO. AND THEN FROM THAT DIRECTION, THEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK. WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR PART OF IT. YEAH, BUT I'D SAY THAT'S BACKWARDS. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THESE TWO TO FEED INTO OUR PLANNING AND DECISIONING AND OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. SO I THINK WHY WHY WAIT. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS AND SOME GREAT PLANS. AND THEN I GUESS A SECOND QUESTION IS JUST ATTRACTING NEW BUSINESSES COMMERCIAL. I KNOW, ERIC, AND WE'VE SPOKEN A BIG HURDLE, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, IS LAND. THAT'S COMMERCIAL LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE A LOT OF PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. SOMETIMES THE TOPOGRAPHY ISN'T AMENABLE TO MAYBE THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES WE WANT TO BRING IN SUPPORTING LOCAL AND SMALL BUSINESSES. SO I GUESS AGAIN, IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK SOME MORE TO THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SEGUES INTO THE THE FLUME DISCUSSION. AND COUNCILOR PRINCE HAD RECOMMENDED WE DO SOME BETTER REFINEMENT OF COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS IN THE FLUME, WHICH WE'LL START TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT I'D LOVE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          DEFINITELY. SO AGAIN, THE FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT IF WE COULD, IF THE CITY COULD PURCHASE SOME COMMERCIAL LOTS, I MEAN, WE COULD JUST ABOUT PROBABLY FILL IT UP. I MEAN, HONESTLY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT THE CITY OWNS. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE FUND THAT WE COULD DO THAT ONCE YOU SET THOSE, ONCE YOU SET THAT CORRIDOR WHEREVER YOU WANT, THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE NEED THEY NEED TO BE SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE SHOVEL READY, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS TOO. 
          YOU GOT TO HAVE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR WATER AND ALL THAT TYPE OF PLACE. SO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHERE YOU WANT THOSE, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE HELPFUL AT FIRST, AND THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO EACH OTHER, EVEN REACH OUT TO THE PRIVATE OWNERS AND SEE IF THEY'RE EVEN APPLICABLE TO THAT MEETING AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ON THAT AS WELL. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. HALL. I, THIS IS IT REALLY LOOKS GREAT AND TOUCHES ON ALL THE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN TERMS OF STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          IT'S MASSIVE IN TERMS OF, OF, OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE. AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO LOOK AT HOW THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CAN BE A PART OF THAT, TO TAKE WHATEVER OFF YOUR PLATE THAT THEY CAN DO AND LET YOU FOCUS AND YOUR STAFF FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT ONLY YOU CAN DO. AND SO AGAIN, 
          [01:15:07]
IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE. AND THAT'S AS MAYOR SHANE'S PSALM SAID, WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON WHAT WHAT WE BELIEVE THE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY ARE AND THEN DECLARE THAT, COMMUNICATE THOSE. AND, AND THAT WILL HELP YOU OBVIOUSLY, IN IN THIS HUGE LIST OF PRIORITIES TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT ANYWAY, I, I, I LIKE SEEING ALL THE AREAS THAT YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. MR. BARELA SO I WAS GOING TO I'M GOING TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT MR. HALL HAS SAID IN THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VENN DIAGRAM OF OVERLAP OF WHEN PARSING THIS OUT, BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE SCOPE OF WORK. I MEAN, THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS GIGANTIC. IT'S VERY OPTIMISTIC. AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN GET THERE. I KNOW, AND THIS IS LIKE A THE ULTIMATE GOAL, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF COLLABORATION GOING FORWARD. I LOVE YOUR IDEA ABOUT JOINING OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR EVENTS. AND THERE'S A HUGE THING GOING AROUND. IT HASN'T BEEN IT'S NOT NEW, BUT IT'S IT'S 1431 OPEN. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL EVENT TO HAVE FROM JONESTOWN OR GOING ALL THE WAY UP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HIT ALL THE BUSINESSES COMING DOWN. 1431 YOU KNOW, YES, WE'RE OPEN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A GREAT MARKETING OPPORTUNITY TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF, OF THAT SAYING AND FACEBOOK POST THAT WE SEE AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK DUE TO TRAFFIC, NOTING MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU, MAN. I LOVE THAT IDEA, BY THE WAY. SO AS I WAS PROCESSING WHAT COUNCILOR VENICE WAS SAYING, AND I, I GUESS I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THERE, WHICH IS, YES, WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE COLLABORATING IN REGARD TO BREWS AND BALLOONS AND TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE THREE COME TOGETHER AND MAYBE DO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BEGINNING OF A STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THEN THAT WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL TIME TO HAVE THEIRS. 
          AND THEN Y'ALL CAN BUTTON UP THE PLAN AT THE END. I THINK THAT'S A FABULOUS IDEA, YOU KNOW, TO GO AHEAD AND GET THEM TALKING. COUNCILOR VANESSA, I APPRECIATE THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST BASICALLY VOICE MY LOVE THAT IDEA. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK THAT MR. THANK YOU, MR. JOY. HE KIND OF WAS A GREAT IDEA, AND I APPRECIATE HIM FOR THAT KIND OF. 
          YOUR OTHER DOCUMENT YOU HAVE IS THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON IT. THANK YOU FOR MR. JOY FOR BRINGING THAT. THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WHEN THIS WAS CREATED. SO IT WAS CREATED IN 2019. THEN AT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WE CAME IN AND DID A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH LAGO VISTA VILLAGE. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS CALLED, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THERE. WE DID BROOKSHIRE BROTHERS, WE MET BROOKSHIRE BROTHERS AGAIN, THIS IS THAT THERE WAS A REGIONAL CONNECTION. I SEE I SEE INTER INTER INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF SHOPPING CENTERS IS WHERE WE MET BROOKSHIRE BROTHERS AND STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO GET THE SECOND GROCERY HERE IN LA VISTA. YOU KNOW, BUSINESS RETENTION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAQUE APPRECIATION PROGRAM SPOTLIGHT WITH THE MAYOR, EDC. OUR OUR TEXAS TOURISM FRIENDLY DESIGNATION. WE HAVE A LOT OF REGIONAL PARTNERS THAT WE WORK AT TDCTML TEXAS WORKFORCE. GRANTS THAT WE DO, BUT A BIG ONE IS TO THE DEPARTMENT GROWTH, EXPANSION AND SUCCESSION PLAN I, I BELIEVE IN I THINK MR. JOY BROUGHT TO THE SUCCESSION PLAN. 
          I THINK WE NEED THAT. I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. WHEN HE WAS IN THIS POSITION A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN THAT NOW. BUT AND SO JENNIFER IS THE MY SECOND IN COMMAND, SO I'LL BE DOING SOME CROSS TRAINING WITH HER. AND SHE'S BEEN GREATLY STEPPING UP. 
          APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S BEEN DOING THAT. OF COURSE, THE DEPARTMENT STARTED OFF WITH ME AS ONE. AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE ADDED COMMUNICATION AND MARKETING MANAGER AND THE SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR. SO WE'VE GROWN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MY, MY CONTRIBUTION TO EXTEND BEYOND THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND PROGRAMS. THEY INCLUDE THE RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE TO BUILD THE DEPARTMENTS WE HAVE DEVELOPED, THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE I BRING, AND I'M CONTINUING CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO HELPING THE CITY SUCCEED. SO THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU GUYS. JUST WANT YOUR VISION, AND WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP. MAYOR PRO TEM ONE LAST THOUGHT, AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THIS. ONE OF THE ITEMS YOU HAVE HERE IS CONDUCT STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEFINE WHERE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS WILL BE LOCATED FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND AS COUNCILOR VAN NESS WAS TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WE WILL BE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. BUT AS YOU ALL HAVE CONVERSATIONS PRIORITY, I DON'T KNOW ANY THOUGHTS IN REGARD TO THOSE CORRIDORS AND IN 
          [01:20:05]
PARTICULAR FOCUS AREAS. AND I KNOW THE EDC HAS ALSO HAD SOME IDEAS ON THAT. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL COME UP WITH TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE FOR US TO CONSIDER FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WOULD BE APPRECIATED. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL COME BACK TO THE LARGER DISCUSSION OF ANY OF THE AGENDA 
          [IX.3. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action regarding the City's partnership with the North Lake Travis Chamber of Commerce & Visitors Center, including a Hotel Occupancy Tax operating agreement, a service agreement for non-HOT eligible City services and events, procedures for HOT-funded event reimbursements, amendment of the current event reimbursement limit from 50% to up to 100% of eligible expenses, and consideration of funding for Brews & Balloons 2026. (Part 2 of 2)]
ITEMS THAT WE HAD. MR. BENNEFIELD, I THINK YOU STILL HAD A COUPLE ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM. YES, SIR. STILL HAD THREE. I MEAN, WHY WAIT? LET'S JUST GET TO THE OPERATING AGREEMENT AND LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE FUNDING REQUEST, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, SIR. YEAH. SO DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE? YEAH, I HAVE A MUCH SIMPLER, SHORTER LITTLE SLIDE DECK. ERIC. YES. PERFECT. FIRST OF THE SECOND, THE ALL CAPS THERE BE. OH. THEY'RE THE SAME ONES, THE PDF AND ONES A POWERPOINT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. OKAY. I'LL JUST QUICKLY TALK THROUGH IT AS WELL. JUST KIND OF LIKE Z NOTE IT. OH, OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS JUST REAL BASIC STUFF. BUT JUST TO SAY IT ON HOW WE ARE RESTRUCTURING AND OPERATING EVERYTHING IN HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR MULTIPLE CITIES. THAT IS A THREE PART THING. WE ARE A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR OUR BUSINESS MEMBERS. WE ARE ALSO A PARTNER TO THE CITIES. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO AN EVENT PLANNER FOR THE CITIES. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE SEPARATED OPERATIONALLY, TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR ON HOW THIS WORKS. SO BUT THE ALL GOES TO ONE BIG PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS IN ALONG THE WHOLE NORTH SHORE OF LAKE TRAVIS. SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST A BASIC THING ABOUT HOW THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WORKS. WE ARE A 501 C THREE. OUR PURPOSE IS TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES AT WHERE THEY'RE AT, CONNECTING THEM TO EACH OTHER AND CONNECTING THEM TO OUR COMMUNITIES, BRINGING VISITORS TO THE AREA TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH TO BRING SALES TAX BACK INTO THE CITY. AND YOU CAN USE THAT FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, GENERAL, GENERAL OPERATIONS AND JUST IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, BIG CIRCLE OF LIFE SITUATION WHERE WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN DOING OUR PART. THIS IS KIND OF OUR, OUR MISSION STATEMENT OF WHAT WE HAD ADOPTED LAST SUMMER. WHEN I CAME IN, WE ADOPTED A NEW LOGO, A NEW MISSION STATEMENT, A NEW VISION FOR WHERE THE CHAMBER WAS GOING TO GO. ALL OF THIS WAS VERY INTENTIONAL. WE ADDED GUIDING TO NEW HEIGHTS BECAUSE OF THE HOT AIR BALLOON. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KEEP THAT EVENT GOING. SO STAY TRUE TO OUR NEW MISSION STATEMENT HERE. JUST KIND OF AN HONEST LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE. SO THIS IS WE HAD A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. WE WROTE ALL OF OUR STRENGTHS, OUR WEAKNESSES, OUR OPPORTUNITIES AND OUR THREATS. AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN 100% ACCURATE. YOU KNOW, WE WROTE IN THERE THAT WE'RE OUR STRENGTH IS, YOU KNOW, A NEW VISION AND OUR STORYTELLING AND OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND OUR STAFF. AND WE HAD LISTED IN THERE THAT WE HAD JUST GOTTEN THE APPROVAL OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY. AND THAT WAS A STRENGTH. BUT ALSO ONE OF OUR THREATS WAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CITY AND RELIANCE ON THE HOT FUNDS. AND SO WE WE HAD THAT BOTH IN THERE. AND IT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE, AGAIN, TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT WITH YOU ALL. FROM THERE, WE HAD FOUR MAIN PRIORITIES IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO FIX OUR ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE. WE HAVE TO FIX OUR TECHNOLOGY, OUR POLICIES, HOW WE ARE IDENTIFYING AND HOW WE'RE OPERATING. NEXT WAS HOW DO WE FIX OUR FINANCIAL STABILITY. AND THAT WAS LET'S REALLY DIVE INTO OUR NON-US REVENUES AND BUILD UP OUR MEMBERSHIP AND FIX, YOU KNOW, OUR EVENTS TO BE PROFITABLE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON AN EVENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTS ARE RISKY. SO WE'RE VERY, VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE EXECUTED ALL OF OUR EVENTS, GROWTH. THAT KIND OF TOUCHES ON ALL OF THAT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY USE 
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MORE SIGNAGE. I THINK HAVING A LARGER VISITOR CENTER SIGN WHERE WE'RE LOCATED WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AREA COLLABORATION, MEMBERSHIP GROUP STORYTELLING, AND WE STARTED THE NEWSPAPER. WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY SEEN, OUR JUST SHOWING UP MORE TO THINGS AND REALLY GROWN OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. SO THAT ALL TO SAY THAT EVERY CHANGE AND EVERY THING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST YEAR HAS BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL. IT WAS A BOARD DECISION. YOU KNOW, WE'VE IT'S A STAFF HAS EXECUTED IT THIS PAST YEAR. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THINGS IN EACH OF THESE THAT WE'VE DONE TO WORK TOWARDS THAT. WE ARE A CASH ONLY ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE NO CREDIT CARDS AND NO DEBT. WE HAVE CUT OUR COSTS THIS YEAR BY NEARLY $10,000 IN OPERATIONS. 
          AND THAT IS WITH EVEN HIRING A THIRD STAFF MEMBER. AND THEY WERE FULL TIME. THAT COMES FROM ALL OF THE REVENUE AND SUCCESS IN THE EVENTS AND THE MEMBERSHIP THAT IN THE WAY WE HAVE RESTRUCTURED THINGS AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD THERE. OKAY, SO HERE'S KIND OF THE PART THAT PLAYS INTO THE THE THREE PARTIES. SO I KIND OF ANTICIPATED, I GUESS, HOW WE NEED TO, HOW WE NEED TO WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE PARTIES THAT WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS HAD THE CHAMBERS THE LONGEST STANDING. WE'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS. AND THEN ONLY VERY RECENTLY WE'VE ADDED THE OTHER TWO. SO WE'VE GOT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS CLEARLY NEEDED. LIKE THERE'S A VERY LARGE TO DO LIST OVER THERE AND AN EDC, WHICH IS BRAND NEW, AND THEY'RE STILL FIGURING OUT THEIR PATH. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF PITCH WHERE I SEE EACH OF US FALLING AND HOW WE CAN BECOME MORE OF ONE ENTITY AND NOT ALL TRYING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING AND COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER, BECAUSE IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND ENERGY. SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THE ZONING, THE PERMITTING UTILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, DEVELOP AGREEMENTS, AND THEN REALLY GETTING GETTING THESE BIGGER PROJECTS IN JUST LIKE YOU'RE PITCHING. THERE'S A LOT OF THAT IN THERE. I MEAN, MUCH MORE THAN JUST THIS, BUT THAT'S THERE IN MY MIND. IS THERE THEIR GOAL TO SUPPORT THE CITY SIDE OF THINGS, THE EDC, WHICH IS NEW AND WE'RE STILL FIGURING OUT, IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S DRIVING PEOPLE AND INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN DEVELOPING OUR COMMUNITY, RECRUITING THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL IT'S ALL GOING TO OVERLAP. 
          JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A BIG VENN DIAGRAM CHAMBER. WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE TO HELP THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. WE'RE GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM. SO THANK YOU FOR FIXING THE 50 TO 100% THERE. THAT IS OUR ADVOCACY, TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS TO SURVIVE AND, AND JUST SUPPORT THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT, OFFER NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES AND KEEPING A, A MAINTAINED AND STOCKED VISITOR CENTER, WORKING ON TOURISM MARKETING FOR THE WHOLE AREA AND FOR THE CITY AND SURROUNDING CITIES. YOU CAN SEE IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE KIND OF HAVE OUR OWN THINGS AND HOW THEY HELP EACH OTHER. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I JUST SAID, JUST IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. OKAY, SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON HOW MAYBE THE EDC AND THE CHAMBER CAN BENEFIT FROM PARTNERING A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. EDC IS CURRENTLY NOT FUNDED. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THEMSELVES. ONE IDEA THAT I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT CAME FROM. I WILL NOT CLAIM THAT IT WAS MINE. PROBABLY SOMEONE ON EDC THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY START A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM. AT FIRST I'M LIKE, OH NO, HERE WE GO. WE'RE BOTH COMPETING FOR MEMBERSHIPS FROM THE SAME BUSINESSES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BOTH GO UNDER BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK. WELL, WHAT IF THEY ARE CHARGING A PRICE THAT INCLUDES A CHAMBER MEMBERSHIP IN IT? AND SO ANYONE THAT SIGNS UP WITH EDC IS AUTOMATICALLY ALSO A CHAMBER MEMBER. IT SUPPORTS US BOTH. THEY'RE JUST SUPPORTING THE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE CITY. AND THEY'RE NOW ALSO GRANDFATHERED INTO THE CHAMBER. SO THAT WOULD BE A REALLY SMART PARTNERSHIP AND WAY TO, TO WORK THAT WHERE WE'RE NOT COMPETITORS, BUT WE'RE SUPPORTING EACH OTHER AND WE'RE PUSHING OUR BIGGER DEVELOP MEMBERS, DEVELOPER MEMBERS OR ANYONE INTERESTED IN THAT TO GO THAT ROUTE TO SUPPORT THE EDC, HELP FUND IT. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO BENEFITING BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO PART OF THE CHAMBER. SO JUST ONE CREATIVE IDEA THAT POTENTIALLY CAN SHOW HOW WE CAN PARTNER. 
          [01:30:08]
THIS IS JUST KIND OF ONE THING. LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A VERY SMALL TOWN TO HAVE THESE THREE SEPARATE ENTITIES. SO LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO LESSEN THE WORKLOAD ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          LET'S PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE THE LEADS. WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S DOING WHAT AND HOW AND WHO. WHO DO YOU SEND THEM TO? SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE OVERLAP. IT SHOWS WHO'S KIND OF DOING WHAT, WHERE WE SEND THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE THESE SAME CONNECTIONS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH FROM BEGINNING TO END. WE CAN SEND THEM TO THE RIGHT PERSON OF WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THEIR PROCESS. IF THEY'RE A NEW BUSINESS AND TRYING TO GET PERMITS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO BE HELPING THEM WITH. BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY A BUSINESS AND WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEM ON LONG STANDING BEING A LONGSTANDING BUSINESS, THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY A CHAMBER THING. GO, YOU KNOW, TO AWARD THEM AND BE THERE FOR THEM. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ALL DO IT TOGETHER TOO. SO THAT'S JUST MAYBE LESSENING ERIC'S TEAM'S WORKLOAD THERE SLIGHTLY. JUST KIND OF HOW WE CAN STAY MORE PRODUCTIVE AS A, AS WITH ALL THREE OF US, JUST GET TOGETHER AND TALK AND VISION AND DREAM AND DO A VERY LONG TERM STRATEGIC PLAN. I MEAN, MONTHS AGO, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED, WHY ARE WE NOT DOING A THREE YEAR PLAN TOGETHER ON HOW THESE EVENTS WORK AND HOW WE. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. AND IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU DID MENTION THAT. AND NOW, NOW LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PLAYS INTO ALL OF THIS. OKAY. SO HERE'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. 191 THERE IS A PROJECTED NUMBER. WE'RE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT. WE'RE ABOUT. 145146 RIGHT NOW OF CHAMBER EARNED INCOME THIS YEAR, THIS PAST YEAR, THIS IS THE HIGHEST IN THAT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. AND THAT IS WITHOUT. THE THE HOT FUNDS IN IT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IT HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE TO GET IT TO THIS POINT. 
          AND. KIND OF GO ON FROM HERE. BUT IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM WHERE IS IT HERE? RIGHT HERE, 2020. THE CHAMBER WAS SUPPORTING THE OR THE CITY WAS SUPPORTING THE CHAMBER AT ABOUT 43% OF THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS. THIS IS THIS IS NOT EVENTS. THIS IS STRICTLY OPERATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER. THIS IS NOT CHAMBER COSTS. THIS IS THIS IS VISITOR CENTER ONLY, RIGHT. IN 2026, THEY'RE DOWN TO 15%. OUR REQUEST IS TO TRY TO GET IT BACK UP TO WHERE IT WAS. 
          INFLATION ALONE IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS HAS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED. OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED. I INHERITED SOMETHING THAT JUST WAS AT A HIGHER LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE. YOU KNOW, EVERY IT WAS EVERYTHING WAS COSTING MORE. 
          EVERYTHING WAS AT A HIGHER LEVEL. IT WAS UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE EXPENSE OF OURSELVES. WE DID HAVE A RESERVE OF $140,000 IN THOSE THREE YEARS PRIOR TO ME COMING IN. IT IT IT'S GONE SO OPERATIONALLY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT I MAYBE STRUGGLED TO SAY LAST SEPTEMBER, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, AS I FIGURED IT OUT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FRONTING THE THE BILL FOR OPERATING THIS REGIONAL CHAMBER VISITOR CENTER WITH CHAMBER EARNED MONEY, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ENTITY IF YOU SPLIT THEM OUT, RIGHT. SO CHAMBER MEMBERSHIP DUES, CHAMBER COMMUNITY. SUPPORT AND THAT MONEY, IT REALLY SHOULD BE REINVESTED INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND INTO THE CHAMBER AND SO THAT WE CAN OPERATE AT A BETTER LEVEL. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING TO THROW IT INTO KEEPING US AFLOAT. AND WHEN I CAME IN, IT WAS AT A POINT WHERE THERE'S NO MORE TO MOVE OVER. AND, AND I KIND OF EXPRESSED THAT A YEAR AGO SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE GONE IN 2 OR 3 MONTHS IF WE DON'T FIGURE THIS OUT. WELL, EVERY SINGLE THING WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO BE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE BELIEVED THAT, HONESTLY, BASED OFF OF THE NUMBERS OF LAST LAST 
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YEAR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE IT IS INSANELY RISKY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR ASK IS WE WENT BY POPULATION AND OUR ACTUAL ACTUAL OPERATING NUMBERS AND OUR EXPENSES. SO LAGO VISTA'S POPULATION IS QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN JONESTOWN'S POPULATION. SO YOUR YOUR ASK IS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN JONESTOWN JUST POPULATION WISE. WE'RE GOING PERSON BY PERSON TO HAVE A FAIR SHARE. IT'S SHOWING THAT WE OFFSET THE SUPPORT THAT WE GOT THIS PAST YEAR FROM THE CITY BY $77,000 OF OUR OWN RESERVES TO JUST KEEP US AFLOAT. SO WE'VE YOU CAN SEE THAT PER RESIDENT BACK IN 2020, YOU'RE SUPPORTING US BY ABOUT $5.40. IN 2026, WE'RE DOWN TO $3.43. 
          AND THAT'S THAT'S SAD TO SEE WHEN OUR WHEN OUR CHAMBER EARNED INCOME HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DESPERATELY NEED TO REINVEST INTO THE BUSINESSES IN THE CHAMBER SIDE OF THINGS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT JONESTOWN IS PAYING MORE PER RESIDENT IN THE PAST YEARS THAN THIS YEAR THAT LAGO HAS DONE. OPERATING. THE VISITOR CENTER IS THE VERY FIRST ELIGIBLE USE FOR THIS HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW. WE'VE BEEN THERE, BEEN THIS HAS BEEN WHAT IT'S FOR. WE'VE NEVER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND I LOOK BACK AT EVERY SINGLE REPORT THAT I CAN FIND FOR DECADES, EVERY ASK HAS BEEN FOR VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS ONLY. WE'VE ACTUALLY NEVER ASKED FOR EVENT REIMBURSEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHAMBER. FROM WHAT I CAN SEE AND. JUST OVERALL, OUR YOU KNOW, OUR COSTS ARE JUST WHERE THEY'RE AT. AND THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT NUMBERS. THE HOT MONEY THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REINVESTING INTO EVENTS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING REINVESTING INTO ANY CHAMBER WORK. WE HAVE SEPARATED OUT EVERY COST THAT WE HAVE FIGURED OUT IS CHAMBER SPECIFIC. SO IF IT IS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A STAFF OF ONE AND A HALF. NOT ALL MY TIME IS SPENT ON VISITOR CENTER. IT IS A PORTION OF IT. I WENT BACK AND CALCULATED OUT SIX MONTHS OF WHAT I DID EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE HOUR. AND I KEEP VERY, VERY GOOD TRACK OF THIS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS ASKED TO DO AND TO SHOW EVERYONE, AND THEN NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO SHOW YOU. BUT I'M GLAD I DID IT BECAUSE I HAD THAT DATA TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF OUR TIME IS SPENT ON VISITOR SPECIFIC HOT FUND REIMBURSABLE, BECAUSE A LARGE PORTION OF THIS IS IS SALARY AND TIME TO OPERATE EVERYTHING AND TO INVEST INTO MARKETING. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT SO NOT ALL OF OUR TIME IS INCLUDED IN THIS. LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE IN HERE? WE ARE DOWN TO, I'LL BE VERY CANDID ABOUT SIX WEEKS OF OPERATING COSTS. AND THAT IS WHY I WAS EXTREMELY INSISTENT ON NOT USING ANY PENNY TOWARDS ANY RISKY EVENT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS WORTH THE RISK WE NEED. WE NEED TO STAY OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT NUMBER, THAT'S A HARD WE HAVE TO MAKE A CALL NOT TO NOT TO SPEND A PENNY UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED OPERATIONALLY. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. WE'RE A VERY SMALL STAFF AND WE'RE DOING A LOT. IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT MY PROPOSALS THAT I SENT, ALL OF YOU ARE. OUR PAYROLL IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR ASK, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THREE STAFF THIS PAST YEAR THAT WE WERE SUPPORTING. AND NOW WE'RE BACK DOWN TO THE TWO AND A HALF. OUR FACILITY COSTS ARE GOING UP IN AN INSANE AMOUNT. THIS IS SOMETHING I AM LOOKING INTO FIGURING OUT THAT THIS IS OUR. OUR MAIN PROBLEM IS OPERATIONALLY, WE'RE PAYING A LOT IN RENT AND I HAVE MET AND TALKED THROUGH A LOT OF 
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DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF HOW MAYBE WE CAN LESSEN. THAT IS POTENTIAL. THERE IS THAT WILL GO LOWER, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THE FULL ASK. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, OUR RENT IS GOING UP CLOSE TO $20,000 THIS NEXT YEAR. IT IS AN INHERITED LEASE. AND I AND JUST IS WHAT IT IS. IF WE'RE AT WE'RE AT NEXT YEAR, THE CHAMBER HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL $65,000 JUST TO STAY AFLOAT WITH NOT INVESTING ANYTHING BACK INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT MEANS I CAN'T GIVE A VERY MUCH NEEDED RAISE TO MY STAFF, AND I CANNOT MAYBE EVEN HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP AS PART OF THIS. YOU KNOW, I IDEALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT COMES IN AND REALLY MANS SOME EVENTS AND HELPS WITH MARKETING BECAUSE I SPEND AN INSANE AMOUNT OF TIME OWNING THAT, AND I'M MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A STAFF MEMBER WOULD BE HOURLY TO DO THAT. SO THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS DRASTICALLY FOR OUR OVERALL PERSONNEL. HERE'S SOME DATA WE PULLED. WE HAVE SOME QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT WE DID PROVIDE TO YOU. THIS IS AN ESTIMATED VISITOR CONTACTS A YEAR BASED OFF OF WALK INS, EMAILS, CALLS INTO THE CURRENT VISITOR CENTER BASED OFF OF THOSE FIRST TWO QUARTERS OF JUST WHAT THE ONE PERSON IN THE FRONT WAS DEALING WITH, THAT DID NOT COUNT THE OTHER TWO OF US THAT ALSO FIELD CALLS, EMAILS AND HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE. IT WAS JUST THE ONE PERSON'S REPORT. SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY CLOSE NUMBER. MIGHT EVEN BE MORE THAN THAT. AND OUR WEBSITE VISITS, OUR FACEBOOK VIEWS, LAST YEAR'S PERCENTAGE ON THE EVENT THAT WE HAD THAT SHOWS WE HAD PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN, TEXAS TOURISM STATE FIGURE SHOWS THAT EVERY DOLLAR YOU'RE INVESTING INTO YOUR INTO TOURISM ADVERTISING AND INTO THE WITH THE HOT, YOU'RE GETTING $6 BACK IN IN SALES TAX REVENUE BACK INTO THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT IT'S A SMART INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE BRINGING A LOT OF OUR OWN MONEY MOVING ALONG. LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE. WE OPENED A SEPARATE HOT ACCOUNT. WE'RE KEEPING TWO SEPARATE RECORDS. HAPPY TO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT ON HOW EVERYTHING WENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. ANY UNSPENT MONEY THAT IS NOT QUALIFYING, JUST LIKE THE EVENTS, IS GOING TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO THAT HOT ACCOUNT. THIS IS VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONAL MONEY. IT'S SEPARATE, BUT IT'S IN THAT SAME CATEGORY OF WHERE THE HOT FUND MONEY LIVES, RIGHT? THIS IS BASED OFF OF REAL COSTS. SO I DON'T HAVE EVERY LITTLE THING THAT I HAVE. YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT I EMAILED ALL OF YOU HAS EVERY, EVERY LITTLE LINE ITEM, EVERY BANK STATEMENT, HOW WE GOT TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT TO. IT JUST MAKES IT A FAIR SHARE FOR EVERYONE. THE CHAMBER AND JONESTOWN AND LAGO VISTA. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING, AND I KNOW THIS IS A BIG ASK, BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, IS THAT OPERATIONALLY, WE GET CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE AT. JUST MEET US WHERE WE'RE AT. AND, AND THAT THAT NUMBER IS $10,000 A MONTH. THAT IS INCLUDING STAFFING, INCLUDING JUST OPERATIONAL RENT AND UTILITIES AND. LET'S SEE, THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. THIS IS WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SHOWING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION ON THIS. I AM PREPARED WITH MORE NUMBERS AND OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, ON IT. YEAH. LET'S GO. 
          OKAY ALLISON STAY UP THERE. I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. OKAY. SO FIRST QUESTION, WHEN IT COMES TO CHAMBER MEMBERS, ARE WE I MEAN, WE'RE CALLING THIS LIKE THE NORTH LAKE TRAVIS, BUT I'M NOTICING YOU HAVE A TON OF MEMBERS THAT ARE INTERNATIONAL. THEY ARE NOT LOCAL. WE HAVE ONE THAT IS A MARKETING PERSON. WE PERSONALLY KNOW THEM. THEY HAVE COME OUT HERE, THEY DO SPONSOR EVENTS, BUT THEY LIVE IN CANADA AND THAT IS THE ONLY ONE. AND SO SOME OF THE OTHER MARKETING, LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE IN WASHINGTON STATE AND DIFFERENT DIFFERENT STATES IS THAT IS THAT I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT'S GOING TO LIKE, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING BUSINESS INTO LAGO OR SOME OF THESE CHAMBER MEMBERS, SOME 
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BUSINESSES IN. AND WE DON'T HAVE. CLOSE TO ANY OF THOSE. LIKE WE'RE VERY LIKE MOST MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS, I WOULD SAY ARE LOCAL. THERE'S THE ONE IN CANADA. AND THEN THEY'RE, WE'RE GOING TO. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK, BUT I, I WOULD SAY LESS THAN A HANDFUL OF ANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SIGN UP FOR A CHAMBER MEMBERSHIP TO GET SEO RESULTS ON GOOGLE. IT IS JUST A KNOWN THING THAT IF YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A BUNCH OF CHAMBERS, YOU'RE ON THEIR WEBSITES, YOU CAN BUILD YOUR SEO UP AND YOU ARE FIRST TO POP UP. SO THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL GO OUT AND JUST JOIN AS MANY CHAMBERS AS THEY CAN IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THAT INVOLVED. AND WE'RE NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, MARKETING AND TALKING ABOUT THEM THAT MUCH, BUT IT'S A GOOGLE ANALYTICS THING FOR THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE USUALLY COMING IN AT A VERY LOW MEMBERSHIP DOLLAR, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A LOT FROM THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH THE VISITOR CENTER SIDE OF THINGS. OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OUR LOCAL MEMBERS ARE INVOLVED, AND THEY'RE COMING IN AND WE'RE MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS FOR THEM AND SAYING, HEY, DID YOU KNOW THIS PERSON DOES THIS? OR, HEY, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A SPACE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO HAVING A, A VISITOR CENTER. AND WE ARE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE. WE ARE A LAKE TOWN. WE HAVE AN AIRPORT, WE HAVE BALCONIES, WE HAVE PLACES TO VISIT. MY KIND OF MY POINT OF BRINGING THAT UP IS THESE SEEM TO BE MARKETING FIRMS. YOU'RE HAVING MARKETING ISSUES. IF YOU WERE GOING TO TRADE A MEMBERSHIP FOR MARKETING, YOU KNOW, WORK, OR THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT, OR MAYBE INCREASE THE INTERNATIONAL RATE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO JOIN A LOCAL CHAMBER. WE ACTUALLY DO USE. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, I WAS LIKE, MAN, WE'RE NOT TRADING ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF US TO GET THEIR GOOGLE, GOOGLE CLICKS, MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE PAYING A HIGHER RATE. MAYBE THAT'LL HELP WITH REVENUE. BUT OTHERWISE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S GOOD. I DON'T I KNOW THAT I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT OPINION ON, ON TOURISM AND VISITOR CENTERS THAN, THAN THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. SO I'LL LET THEM SPEAK ABOUT IT AND PULL BACK. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING FOR OUT OF STATE OR, OR ANYBODY THAT'S OUT OF STATE, EVEN IF THEY'RE SNOWBIRDS, I THINK WE WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT YOUR FEE STRUCTURE ON THAT. IT MIGHT HELP OFFSET. I MEAN, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE WANTING TO GET INTO OUR MARKET AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR SALES TAX OR THEIR OVERNIGHT STAYS, MAYBE THEY SHOULD PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TO LOOK INTO THAT. AND IT'S TRICKY. 
          CAN YOU JUST VERY SIMPLY SO THE ASK THE TEN ONE SEVEN, SEVEN A MONTH. SO 122 A YEAR, WHAT'S PORTION OF THAT OF THE TOTAL EXPENSE AROUND THE RUNNING THE VISITOR CENTER OR PERCENTAGE OR WHATEVER? I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY IN THERE IN YOUR NUMBERS, BUT IT IS, YOU'RE ABOUT 59%. OF. 
          AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF JUST POPULATION. BECAUSE IF YOU PUT THE POPULATIONS OF. WELL, LAGO VISTA IS ABOUT 80% OF THE POPULATION CHAMBER IS TAKING ON PART OF THESE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AS WELL. SO JONESTOWN LAGO IS SPLITTING IT THREE WAYS WITH US, JONESTOWN AND LAGO VISTA. I SPLIT THE POPULATION TWO WAYS, AND THEN WE'RE TAKING A PORTION OF THAT ON OUR OWN BECAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, USING THAT SPACE AS WELL FOR CHAMBER SIDES OF THINGS. SO THAT IS ABSORBED BY THE CHAMBER. WE'RE PAYING ABOUT 25% OF OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. JONESTOWN IS PAYING 15%. THEY SHOULD BE AT 20. SO WE ARE EATING ABOUT $9,000 OF THEIR COSTS. THEY HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET. I THINK THAT I CAN GET THEM TO THAT POINT. THEY JUST I ASKED FOR A HIGHER RATE AND THEY CAME IN AT THE RATE THAT THEY DID AND THE SUPPORT THAT THEY DID. AND SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS EXACT NUMBER AND SHOW THEM TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE EATING FROM THE CHAMBER SIDE TO HELP SUPPORT THE VISITOR CENTER SIDE OF THINGS BASED OFF OF POPULATION. SO WHAT SO WHAT IS IT NOW? 25% CHAMBER. HOW MUCH LAGO YOU ARE AT 59% AND JONESTOWN IS AT 1,515%. AND YOU'RE GOING TO TALK 15.2. THEY SHOULD BE AT 20.2. OKAY, OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN BECAUSE LIKE YOU WERE EXPLAINING LOCAL BUSINESSES, CHAMBER ACTIVITIES. AND I DID, I THINK I EMAILED YOU ALL AND IF I DIDN'T, I HAVE WE DID GO THROUGH EVEN FURTHER AND WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR MEMBERSHIP TO SEE HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY LAGO VISTA MEMBERS, HOW MANY ARE JONESTOWN AND HOW MANY ARE OUTSIDERS. AND, AND IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO PULL IT UP, BUT IT'S IT'S IN THE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, 60 TO 80% RANGE IS LAGO VISTA. SO IT MATCHED POPULATION ALMOST EXACTLY. YEAH. 
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MR. PRINCE SO ON THE 122 FOR THE VISITOR CENTER AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SENT IN A LOT OF NOTES OF, YOU KNOW, VISITOR CENTERS. IT'S THE FIRST ON THE LIST. MY QUESTION REALLY IS A COMBINATION OF YOU FOR YOU AND BRAD, BUT PRIMARILY BRAD, I THINK. SO WHAT IS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO USE HOT FUNDS FOR VISITOR CENTER IF IT IS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE, WHAT'S THE BURDEN OF PROOF? IS THERE A SAME? YOU'VE GOT TO SHOW SOME HEADS AND BEDS AND HOW. HOW DO PEOPLE DO. HOW FUNCTIONALLY, HOW DO CITIES LEGALLY AND APPROPRIATELY USE HOT FUNDS TO FUND VISITOR CENTER? SO I'VE SENT OUT A EMAILS ON, ON KIND OF METRICS THAT CITIES USE PREVIOUSLY, BUT SO YES, VISITOR CENTERS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDS EXPENDITURES, BUT YOU HAVE TO TIE. YOU HAVE TO TIE THE IMPACT THAT THE VISITOR CENTER HAS A PROPORTIONATE IMPACT THAT THE VISITOR CENTER HAS TO THE HEADS AND BEDS. SO RUNNING A VISITOR CENTER IS A PERMISSIBLE EXPENSE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S ONE PRONG OF THE TWO PART STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. BUT THE OTHER PART IS, OKAY, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO PUTTING, YOU KNOW, INCREASING YOUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE? AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SHOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YES, SHOWING DIFFERENT ZIP CODES IS PART OF IT, RIGHT? GETTING VISITORS WHO COME FOR A DAY, THAT'S GREAT. BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. IT'S GOT TO TRANSLATE TO OVERNIGHT STAYS. AND SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME EVIDENCE OF OVERNIGHT STAYS. AND WHAT OTHER CITIES DO IS, FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO ALLOCATE THE SPACE AND THE STAFF TIME TO THE PERCENTAGES ATTRIBUTABLE TO OVERNIGHT STAYS. SO IT'S YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU ARE A, YOU KNOW, DISNEY, DISNEYLAND MECCA WITH LOTS OF HOTELS AND LOTS OF STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY EASIER. BUT OF COURSE, EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT LAGO VISTA, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A HOTEL IN LAGO VISTA. SO YOU'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HEADS AND BEDS BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE VRBOS AND AIRBNB TYPE TYPE SITUATIONS AND NOT AS EASILY OBTAINED DATA FROM HOTELS. SO THAT'S ONE CHALLENGE. BUT SO SO YOU CAN ONLY FUND THE PORTION. CAN I JUST CLARIFY YOU USE THE DISNEYLAND EXAMPLE. I WAS THERE A FEW DAYS AGO. SO THAT RESONATES WITH ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE SPEND THE NIGHT IN A HOTEL BECAUSE THERE'S A CHAMBER, BECAUSE THERE'S A VISITOR CENTER IN ORLANDO. I SUSPECT IT'S ALMOST NONE. BUT ARE THEY USING HOT FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE VISITOR CENTER? AND SO I DON'T KNOW. SO REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, ARE IF WE SAY AS A COUNCIL, YEAH, WE'RE OKAY WITH ALLOCATING $122,000 OUT OF HOT FUNDS. IS THE CHAMBER GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE CITY SAYS WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT WE'RE GOOD. KEEP YOUR $122,000. I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING WHETHER THEY CAN OR NOT, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING IS THIS IS WHAT THIS IS, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN. AND IF THEY CAN SHOW THIS, THEN GREAT OR ANYBODY. AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT THEM. IT'S IT'S THIS IS THIS IS TRUE FOR ANY ENTITY WHO WANTS TO USE HOT FUNDS. SO VISITOR COUNTS AND, AND ZIP CODE ORIGINS, WHICH IS ONE METRIC, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE HERE, AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHAMBER THAT IS FOR MULTIPLE CITIES, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO'S A ZIP CODE OVER. THAT'S USEFUL INFORMATION FOR PERHAPS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, BUT IT'S A LOT LESS USEFUL FOR TOURISM OVERNIGHT STAY GENERATION, RIGHT? IF YOU LIVE IN JONESTOWN, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT SPENDING THE NIGHT IN LAGO VISTA AND VICE VERSA. THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO SHOW. SO SO SOME CITIES, THEY HAVE A LIKE A, A RANGE LIMIT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YES, WE COLLECT ALL OF YOUR ZIP CODES, BUT FOR HOTEL OCCUPANCY PURPOSES, YOU HAVE TO BE 50 OR 75 MILES AWAY. AND THEN WE START CALCULATING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SPEND THE NIGHT AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU LIVE TEN MINUTES AWAY IN A DIFFERENT ZIP CODE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HOTEL LODGING INFORMATION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS TYPICALLY MAKES UP PART OF THE DATA THAT IS PROVIDED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 
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PHONE INQUIRIES, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL VISITORS WHO COME IN AND SAY, I'M HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, AN OVERNIGHT EVENT. I'M HERE FOR THIS EVENT. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S AN OVERNIGHT EVENT. 
          AND SO YOU CAN LOG THEM AND THEY'VE COME INTO THE VISITOR CENTER. BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO USE JUST STRAIGHT POPULATION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY. VRBOS OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE IN LAGO VISTA VERSUS JONESTOWN. BUT IF ONE OR THE OTHER HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT AND ONE OF THEM HAS ANOTHER, THEN YOUR POPULATE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR POPULATION DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT? WHAT MATTERS IS THE AMOUNT OF HOTEL TAX THAT'S BEING GENERATED WITHIN A GIVEN AREA. THAT'S, THAT'S THE MEASURE AND NOT REALLY POPULATION, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE AND I SENT OUT AN EMAIL BEFORE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. OOPS. I SPELLED THAT WRONG. WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT BRAD I'M YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO THINK SIMPLY ON THIS AND IT'S, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME. SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING. WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO, TO DEMONSTRATE IF WE WERE TO GIVE THEM $50,000? WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE IF WE WERE TO GIVE THEM $300,000? I HEAR YOU TALKING A LOT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY EVENT BASED. AN EVENT HAPPENS. AND ON THIS WEEKEND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, MORE STAYS IN THE VERBALS THAN THERE WAS ON THAT SAME WEEKEND LAST YEAR. BUT THIS IS A VISITOR CENTER THAT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE. SO YOU KNOW, HOW HOW I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU CAN. I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT A VISITOR CENTER I MEAN. WHAT CAN THEY SHOW? I MEAN, THE REASON I'M FOCUSING ON EVENTS IS BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE OR OVERNIGHT STAYS AND VISITORS, YOU JUST SAID IT. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T GO OUT OF TOWN TO GO TO A VISITOR CENTER AND SPEND THE NIGHT IN A HOTEL TO GO SEE. SO SEE SOMEONE'S VISITOR CENTER. I GO FOR THE EVENTS AND ATTRACTIONS. SO THAT'S THE NEXUS NOW, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY THAT YOU HAVE HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AN EASILY OBTAINED SOURCE OF DATA COLLECTION FROM HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, MISS SERGEANT JUST INDICATED VRBO AND THOSE GUYS, THEY DON'T LIKE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. SO I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S OUR HANDS ARE TIED TO. RIGHT. BUT BUT HOT FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THOSE PURPOSES. SO WHAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY A SEPARATE SERVICE AGREEMENT, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, WHICH WHICH CONTEMPLATES THE USE OF GENERAL FUNDS, IF YOU WANT TO DO YOU'VE GOT MUCH MORE THE ABILITY TO, TO, TO USE GENERAL FUNDS IN THE SUPPORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE DO TWO THINGS RIGHT. THEY SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LOCAL BUSINESSES, RIGHT. IF IF THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE MEMBERS OF A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I THINK I JUST HEARD THAT ARE LOCAL BUSINESSES, THEN THAT'S THAT'S PERFECT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY IS STAYING IN A HOTEL OVERNIGHT BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF THAT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND ONE FUNDING SOURCE THAT HAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, STATE IMPOSED. THESE ARE NOT BRADFORD BULLOCK OR LAGO VISTA IMPOSED RESTRICTIONS. THIS IS ALL IN THE TAX CODE. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS HERE IS THE FUNDING SOURCES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE HOT FUNDS YOU HAVE TO TIE IT BACK TO OVERNIGHT STAYS. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND HOT FUNDS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT CHAPTER 380 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS FOR. AND YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T USE HOT FUNDS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE. YEAH, NO, I GET THAT. I GET THAT, BUT I'M STILL. SO AGAIN, I'LL ASK MY QUESTION. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO SAY WE'LL GIVE YOU UP TO $50,000 IN HOT FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS VISITOR CENTER, OR WE'LL GIVE YOU THE FULL 122,000. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN MAKE A CASE WHERE THREE PEOPLE SPENT THE NIGHT IN THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, IS THAT ENOUGH? DOES IT HAVE TO BE 300? DOES IT HAVE TO BE 3000? THERE'S GOT TO BE. I JUST I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RULES ARE BASED ON WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO. THE RULES ARE THAT THERE HAS TO BE A NEXUS BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING. THAT'S. 
          OKAY TO MAKE A COMMENT. WHAT WERE YOU DONE, MR. PRINCE? WELL, HE DIDN'T FINISH ADDRESSING MY LAST QUESTION, BUT I'M DONE ASKING THE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. SO I I'M NOT TRYING TO BE 
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OBTUSE HERE. I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO ANSWER THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT IT IS THE BURDEN OF THE APPLICANT, WHOEVER THAT IS, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT NEXUS AND IMPACT ON OVERNIGHT STAYS. AND SO YOU CAN ONLY FUND TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN ONLY FUND. I MEAN, THIS IS THESE ARE AND I CAN READ TO YOU STRAIGHT FROM THE AG OPINIONS. YOU CAN ONLY FUND A VISITOR CENTER TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT VISITOR CENTERS IMPACT ON OVERNIGHT STAYS. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE AG SAYS. I SAID I WAS NOT GOING TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE TO FROM THAT. SO DO YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THE IMPACT ON OVERNIGHT STAYS? WAS MORE HOTEL NEW REVENUE THAN WHAT THE FUNDING WAS? OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BACK TO MY IT'S NOT A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. IT'S NOT A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, BUT IT HAS TO YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE NEXUS. AND THAT'S THERE'S A THERE'S SOME SQUISHINESS THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO CONNECT THE DATA POINTS TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET GREAT DATA. I AM HERE IN TOWN SPENDING A NIGHT IN THIS HOTEL FOR THIS EVENT. 
          FANTASTIC. BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO EXTRAPOLATE. YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN. THAT'S WHY YOU TAKE DATA FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES AND MULTIPLE KINDS OF DATA. BUT THE IDEA THAT A VISITOR CENTER, A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE VISITOR CENTER COULD BE FUNDED ENTIRELY BY HOT FUNDS IS UNLIKELY BECAUSE IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THEY COULD DEMONSTRATE THE NEXUS THAT THEY HAVE THAT BIG AN IMPACT ON YOUR OVERNIGHT HOTEL STAYS TO FOLLOW UP. SO YOU USE THE WORD PROPORTIONAL. 
          IF YOU SHOW PROPORTIONAL BEDS AND HEADS RESULT FROM IT RELATIVE TO THE DOLLAR SPEND. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE IMPACT REALLY NEED TO BE TO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE STAYED IN AN STR OR I MEAN, IF ALL YOU CAN SHOW IS A TINY, TINY, YOU CAN SHOW AN IMPACT, BUT IT'S A TINY, TINY IMPACT AND YOU'RE FUNDING 50% OF THE COST OF A VISITOR CENTER WITH HOT FUNDS, HOT FUNDS. BUT ALL THE DATA SHOWS IS A TINY BLIP OF IMPACT ON HOTEL OVERNIGHT STAYS THAT MIGHT DRAW SCRUTINY. RIGHT. SO I GUESS A PROCESS QUESTION IS IF OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, MY ASSUMPTION WAS THE MAJORITY OF ANY VISITOR CENTER FUNDING WOULD BE FROM GENERAL FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO TIE HOT FUNDS INTO THE VISITOR CENTER DIRECTLY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S WORTH TRYING TO TIE IT IN PROCESS WISE. THE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU GOT TO PUT TOGETHER, I WILL SAY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. I HAVE PARTS OF IT IN WHAT I'VE EMAILED YOU. WE WE DO HAVE OVERNIGHT STAYS COME IN AND THEY TELL US AND WHEN THEY TELL US, WE DO TRACK IT. AND WHEN WE CALL, WE ARE ASKING IF THEY'RE SAYING IF THEY IF WE DON'T RECOGNIZE WHO IT IS LOCALLY AND THEN EMAILS AS WELL. AND FROM OUR TRACKING, IT'S SHOWING WE HAVE BETWEEN THE THREE CALLS, EMAILS, WALK INS, AROUND 89 A WEEK, WHICH IS NOT MOSTLY WALK INS. I WILL SAY IT'S MORE ON THE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS. AND SO THAT'S SHOWING YOU, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A REASON WHY WE ARE SO EVENT HEAVY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE THAT WE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE OVER OVERNIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THE FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE THROWN 29 EVENTS. SOME OF THOSE ARE CHAMBER EVENTS, BUT THEY ARE BRINGING PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN. SOMETIMES THEY ARE STAYING IF THEY'RE A SPEAKER THAT IS NOT LOCAL, OR IF THEY ARE SOMEONE THAT IS A BUSINESS OWNER THAT'S NOT LOCAL. THEY'RE STAYING OVERNIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THAT DATA. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S LIKE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK IN A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, THIS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. SO I'M, I CONTINUALLY AM ASKING LIKE, SHOW ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY VAGUE. 
          SO IT IS HARD TO, TO PUT THAT IN THERE. BUT IN, IN MY LARGER REQUEST, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT AT THE STRAIGHT, AT THE TOP OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER BASED OFF OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS. I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I GO TO TOWNS AND GO TO VISITOR CENTERS ALL THE TIME. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISNEYLAND, YOU'RE STAYING OVERNIGHT AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STOP IN THAT VISITOR CENTER. SO HOW DO YOU TRACK LIKE IF SOMEONE COMES IN, I KNOW THE ARCHERY RANGE HAS EVENTS ALL THE TIME, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE STAYING FOR THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING IT A WEEKEND EVENT. AND NOT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WALKING INTO THE VISITOR CENTER ASKING QUESTIONS. SO HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU KNOW THE TRUE EFFECT THAT YOU HAVE? BECAUSE WE ARE MARKETING THOSE EVENTS AS WELL THROUGH THE VISITOR CENTER. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL PLAY TOGETHER. IT IS VERY, VERY HARD TO PROVIDE DATA. AND I CAN GIVE A, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF DATA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. AND IF YOU HAVE IDEAS ON HOW TO TRACK IT, I'M ALL EARS. WELL, SO I'M 
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HEARING BEST EFFORT, RIGHT, TO TRY TO ESTABLISH THE DATA. I'M HEARING PROPORTIONAL. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO TRIANGULATE INTO IS IF OF THE ASK, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE FROM GENERAL FUND AND A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE FROM HOT FUNDS JUST TO PLAY IT SAFE, JUST IN CASE IT'S YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY DOCUMENTING THAT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO WE JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT PROTECT YOU GUYS AND NOT RESULT IN SOME KIND OF CLAWBACK THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE. SO WE JUST NEED TO, I THINK, TRIANGULATE INTO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THAT PROPORTION FROM GENERAL VERSUS PROPORTION FROM HOT FUNDS. OR IS THERE IS IT ALL FROM GENERAL FUND? YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HEAD FOR DOLLAR AMOUNT. I GUESS IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IS IT? DOES THAT IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THAT DECISION, I THINK. YEAH. SO I WANT TO KEEP GOING BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE POINT OF A COUNCIL DISCUSSION WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING A BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CHAMBER. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHAMBER, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND NOW. AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, THE CHAMBER IS GOING TO SIT DOWN. OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S MY THAT WAS MY QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY USE THE ARCHERY AS AN EXAMPLE. SO WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY HAVE THESE OVER THESE WEEKEND EVENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DOING WITH THEM IS THEY HAD TO NOT ONLY PUT DOWN THEIR, THEIR ZIP CODE, BUT IF THEY WERE STAYING OVERNIGHT. AND I WAS WONDERING, Y'ALL HAVE OVERLAP. 
          SO IF Y'ALL WERE, IF THERE'S VISITORS COMING INTO YOUR CENTER, YOU'RE ACCEPTING ZIP CODES. BUT ARE YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION? IS THERE A SURVEY OR IS THERE SOMETHING GOING OUT THAT THEY'RE SAYING, YES, I'M SPENDING THE NIGHT AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL ASK THEM THAT AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN CEDAR PARK OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN LAGO VISTA OR I MEAN, IN, IN JONESTOWN OR THEY'RE GOING TO MARBLE FALLS. SO JUST THE ARE YOU ARE YOU STAYING LOCAL? IS NOT YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC. I WOULD SAY, ARE YOU STAYING IN LAGO? BECAUSE IF WE ARE IF THEY'RE STAYING IN JONESTOWN, THEN THAT CHANGES OUR PROPORTION THAT WE SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING, I WOULD THINK. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WHAT VERSUS GENERAL. OUR FUNDED IN IN A WAY WHERE WE HAVE SOME FLEX MONEY TO INVEST INTO THESE SYSTEMS. LIKE RIGHT NOW, IT IS STRICTLY LIKE HANGING ON BY A THREAD. 
          BUT IF I IF WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM THE CITY, WE CAN INVEST INTO MAYBE HAVING AN IPAD OF SOME SORT THAT HAS AN ASK AT EVERY LOCATION THAT DRAWS SOME SORT OF VISITOR CENTER OR VISITOR, YOU KNOW, AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, FILL THIS OUT. PLEASE HELP SUPPORT THE LOCAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE VISITOR CENTER. WE NEED YOUR DATA. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PLACES WILL PUT THEM AT PARKS, AND IF YOU FILL IT OUT, YOU GET TO PARK FREE. IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE. SO LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN CHAMBERS THAT ARE GETTING CREATIVE WITH IT. AND I'VE TALKED TO JONESTOWN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY DO CHARGE FOR JONES BROTHERS PARK. LIKE, WHAT IF WE DID SOME SORT OF THING, SAY, ARE YOU COMING HERE BECAUSE YOU HEARD ABOUT IT FROM THE CHAMBER? ARE YOU COMING HERE FROM OUT OF TOWN? ARE YOU STAYING OVERNIGHT? YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT IN PLACES WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE VISITORS OFTEN, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING THAT DATA FROM THEM? THAT'S THE HARD PART. BUT MAYBE OFFERING SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FREE COUPON FOR THIS LOCATION IF YOU FILL THIS OUT. SO I, THERE MIGHT BE SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO DO THAT. AND I'VE THOUGHT OF THEM. WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT IN A PLACE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE'RE BARELY SURVIVING. SO MY, MY SECOND PORTION OF, OF THAT FOLLOW UP IS YOU STATED SO YOURSELF THAT YOU'RE MOSTLY GETTING EMAILS AND TELEPHONE CALLS, NOT ACTUAL WALK INS. WE GET ABOUT 15 TO I MEAN, RIGHT HERE, WHAT IS IT, 17 WALK INS A WEEK. SOME OF THAT IS ALL IN ONE DAY AND SOME OF THAT IS SPREAD OUT. 
          SOMETIMES IT IS DOUBLE THAT AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK IT'S, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2. SO I'M JUST JUST SAYING THAT THE OPERATING COST IS VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR JUST A FEW WALK INS. AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO CAPTURE THEIR OVERNIGHT STAYS OFF OF THOSE 15 MAX 30 A WEEK, THAT TO ME, THAT'S A SYSTEM ISSUE THAT WE PROBABLY REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS. BUT THE TELEPHONE CALL AND EMAIL THING TRACKING IS PRETTY GOOD FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU ARE LIKE KEEPING TALLY OF IT. AND SO I SAW YOU SAID 4000 OR SOMETHING LAST OR FOUR SO FAR THIS YEAR. 4600, 4600. SO YEAH, I MEAN, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SUFFICIENT TO TURN IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S NOT UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT THERE ARE HEADS IN BEDS. AND THAT'S WHERE LIKE, IF YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE GOT DATA TO TRACK THAT, THAT, THAT, I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT OBVIOUSLY, AND MAYBE DISCUSS IF THAT FUNDING WAS GOING TO COME FROM THAT POT OR GENERAL. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A FURTHER DISCUSSION. BUT THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. ALLISON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK OVER THERE. SO I FOUND THE EMAIL YOU WANT ME TO HERE. THIS IS THE THIS IS THE EMAIL I WAS REFERENCING. THESE ARE THESE ARE THINGS THAT CITIES AND, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES USE TO TRACK THIS. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VISITOR LOGS BY ZIP CODE WITH RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS COUNTED SEPARATELY, WHETHER EACH VISITOR IS STAYING OVER NIGHT AND WHERE LODGING REFERRALS, PLUS TRACKING LINKS, CODES, QR CODES AND AND SO FORTH, SURVEYS OF LOCAL HOTELS AND SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATORS. AND THEN YOU SPLIT YOUR SPACE 
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AND STAFF TIME ON VISITOR CENTERS BETWEEN GENERAL BUSINESS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT YOU CAN ATTRIBUTE TO HOT FUNDS. AND THEN AND THEN YOUR YOUR BUDGET AND WHAT A CITY CAN SUPPORT WITH HOT FUNDS HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT PROPORTIONAL TO AN IMPACT THAT, LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICANT, CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE ON HEADS AND BEDS. AND THAT'S JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE COMMON MEASURES THAT CITIES USE. THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET THAT I CAN GIVE YOU. I'M NOT IN THE VISITOR WORLD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LAW SAYS HAS TO BE PROVIDED. THE MORE WE CAN USE HOT LEGALLY, THE BETTER, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND THAT'S THE POINT OF ME TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT FOR EVERYONE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST FISCALLY SMARTER FOR ALL OF US TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN DO ALL OF YOU GO TO A HOTEL AND THEN FIND LOOK FOR SOMETHING TO FILL OUT TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE FROM OUT OF TOWN? LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE MAJORITY. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE THESE NUMBERS AS A PERCENTAGE OF, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A SET NUMBER? YOU KNOW, IT'S COMMENT ON THIS BECAUSE I OWN AN AIRBNB, SO I'M NOT IN TOWN. DON'T HATE ME. IT'S NOT HERE. SO, SO THE WAY THAT A LOT OF LOT OF TOWNS DO THIS IS THAT HEADS AND BEDS, THEY'LL DO WHAT'S CALLED AN AVERAGE NIGHTLY ROOM RATE. AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE THE CITY'S PORTION OF THAT PERCENTAGE. FOR LAGO, IT'S I THINK 7%. AND THEN SAY YOU HAD THAT MANY PEOPLE STATED THAT THEY STAYED OVERNIGHT, SAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SAY 4600 FOR THAT YEAR. AND THEIR PERCENTAGE AVERAGE ROOM NIGHT WAS 100. AND WE TOOK 7% OF THAT AND CAME INTO THE HOT FUNDS ACCOUNT. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT ENTIRE 7%, BUT AT LEAST THAT WAY THERE IS A NEXUS, BECAUSE YOU CAN PROVE NOW THAT YOU HAD 4600 PEOPLE CAME. THEY CAME TO YOUR VISITOR CENTER. THEY STAYED OVERNIGHT. ARE YOU ELIGIBLE TO GET 100% OF ALL THE SALES TAX OR HOTEL TAX THAT WAS COLLECTED FOR THAT? MOST LIKELY NOT, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S A NEXUS TO THAT. SO I WOULD SAY THOSE REPORTS ARE HIGHLY AVAILABLE PUBLIC. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DO A PEER REQUEST THROUGH AIRBNB. AND IF SO, IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE SAYING, I STAYED AT AN AIRBNB OR I STAYED AT A VRBO, I STAYED AT THAT. IT IS WORK. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE TO YOU. IT IS WORK, BUT IT'S WORTH IT BECAUSE THEN THEN YOU DO QUALIFY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOU DO IS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT SO WE CAN PAY YOU THE MONEY AND NOT GET IN TROUBLE. WE WANT TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT. WE DON'T JUST WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE DOING IT. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXERCISE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE IF WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU MONEY, BUT YOU'RE ONLY SAYING THREE PEOPLE ARE STAYING AT AN AIRBNB, IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHAMBER. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING IT BACK FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY, I KNOW WE WENT DOWN A LONG ROAD AROUND THE VISITOR CENTER. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE, ALLISON. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS. I THINK PERSONALLY, THAT PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ROI FOR US. WE HAVEN'T DONE A STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. SO IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO SAY WHAT THE VALUE OF THIS IS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT. PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY I WOULD LIKE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE DO A FINAL AGREEMENT. ACTUALLY, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS TO AT LEAST HAVE A LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT THAT POTENTIALLY THAT IS UP HERE AND THAT WE BRING THIS BACK LIKE, LET'S SAY IN A MONTH AFTER WE'VE HAD A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING OR SO, I JUST AM CONCERNED AT THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO FIT THIS TOGETHER WITHOUT REALLY HAVING A TRUE PICTURE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE SERVICES THAT REALLY ARE MUCH MORE VALUABLE, QUITE FRANKLY, IN REGARD TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE FUNDED. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DID MENTION IN REGARD TO THE MEMBERSHIP GOING THROUGH FROM THE EDC AND THE CHAMBER, THAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM A GENTLEMAN IN TAYLOR, TEXAS, WHO VISITED THE EDC, AND I THINK IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I THINK IF THEY JOINED 
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THE CHAMBER, THAT THERE WERE FUNDS THAT ACTUALLY WENT TO THE EDC. SO THE CHAMBER WAS THE FRONT. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS, AND IT'S FEELING A LITTLE BIT DISJOINTED FOR ME. I'M WILLING TO HEAR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF COUNCIL SAYS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M FEELING LIKE WE NEED JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME TO TRY TO PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH YOU THERE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR WELL OVER AN HOUR. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO DO. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE. THAT NEEDS TO BE COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE ONE, AND WE CAN HAVE THE CHAMBER AND THE STAFF WORK TOGETHER AND REPORT BACK TO US WHAT THEY HAVE. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TONIGHT, I SAY WE TABLE THESE OTHER ITEMS AND SCHEDULE SOME SORT OF STRATEGIC PLANNING. MR. BENNEFIELD, I DISAGREE. I THINK WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THE CHAMBER ATTESTED, THEY HAVE LESS THAN SIX WEEKS WORTH OF FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAVE SIX WEEKS, SIX WEEKS WORTH OF FOOD IN YOUR PANTRY AND SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, LET'S DELAY THIS 4 TO 6 WEEKS SO WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST YEAR. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN NOVEMBER. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN FEBRUARY. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN MARCH. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN APRIL. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN SEPTEMBER. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OCTOBER. WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? I MEAN, THE REALITY IS IT'S JUST LET'S MAKE A DECISION. YOU HAVE A SINKING SHIP THAT PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON, AND WE'RE EITHER GOING TO FUND THEM OR NOT. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE A BROADER DISCUSSION WITH THE EDC AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT I MEAN, EITHER SINK THEM OR HELP THEM. I MEAN, EITHER EITHER DROWN THEM OR THROW THEM A LIFE VEST. BUT THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP PEDALING THEM ALONG AND, YOU KNOW, THROWING THEM A BONE HERE AND THROWING THEM A BONE THERE. AND I MEAN, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THIS WEEK, YOU KNOW, I MET WITH RON JOY. I MET WITH ERIC ZAINO. 
          I MET WITH JENNIFER SANDOVAL. I TRIED TO HELP. I TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE CORRELATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE VISITOR CENTER HAS PROBLEMS. I THINK THE WAY THAT WE THE VISITOR CENTER OPERATES NEEDS TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, NOT BEING OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS IS A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN VISITORS ARE HERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE DIGITAL. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER FOOTPRINT. I'M DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT THE HARD WORKING BUSINESSES ARE FUNDING THE CHAMBER. AND THEN THOSE FUNDS ARE TURNING AROUND BEING USED FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. AND I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME SAYING, HEY, I DON'T I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER. CHAMBER BECAUSE I DON'T GET ENOUGH BENEFIT. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A PROBLEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE, AS I'VE HAD TO COME TO TERMS WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER AND HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE CHAMBER, DESPITE ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I THINK THERE ARE. AND ONE THING BECAME APPARENT TO ME WHEN I HAD MY MEETING WITH STAFF IS THAT STAFF'S NOT READY TO TAKE IT ON. YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN IF WE WANTED TO MOVE THINGS OVER TO THE CITY OR THE EDC, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WEEK. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. AND SO ALL WE END UP DOING IS WE END UP JUST PUTTING OUR FOOT ON THE THROAT OF THE CHAMBER. SO. I DON'T FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAN I DID A MONTH AGO THAT I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU MONEY. AND AS MY QUOTE SAID, LET ME JUST READ IT AGAIN. I DIDN'T THINK I'D HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN. BUT WHILE I AGREE FUNDS SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED WITHOUT A CONTRACT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, RIGHT? I ALSO BELIEVE THE CITY US HAS FAILED THE CHAMBER BY ALLOWING A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP TO OPERATE WITHOUT A FORMAL AGREEMENT. WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT. AND SO I RESPECT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN OR CANNOT PROVE SOME OF THAT'S OUR FAULT. WE APPROVED A SYSTEM THAT WAS GOING TO ATTRACT AIRBNBS, AND WE WERE GOING TO SPEND $30,000 A YEAR, AND WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT DATA TO THE CHAMBER TO HELP THEM PROVE THESE THINGS. SO THERE'S A NEXUS INVOLVED. AND THEN WHAT DID WE DO? WE CANCELED IT DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS, AND THEN HOLD THE CHAMBER ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT HAVING THE DATA, YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, SO DO I WANT TO SPEND $122,000 OF GENERAL FUNDS? NO. DO I WANT TO SPEND $122,000 OF FUNDS? NO. DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING? YES. AND SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS THAT WE APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN TODAY, THAT WE APPROVE THE ASK OF $10,177 OR $122,000 PER YEAR. AND WE PUT THE ONUS ON THEM TO COME UP WITH AS MUCH HOT FUNDS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AS POSSIBLE, AND THE DELTAS PAID FOR OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS. AND YOU DO THAT FOR ONE YEAR, YOU TAKE THE NOOSE OFF OF THEM, YOU GIVE THEM THE MONEY, YOU GIVE THEM A YEAR TO REBOUND. WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY LAST YEAR, THE 
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$38,000 WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY GOT LAST YEAR WAS ACTUALLY JUST A REIMBURSEMENT, I BELIEVE, FOR BREWS AND BALLOONS THAT THEY GOT IN MARCH FOR AN EVENT THAT THEY HOSTED IN NOVEMBER. 
          SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE A STARVING ORGANIZATION AND THEY NEED MONEY, THEY NEED SURVIVAL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION. I'D LIKE EVERY PERSON ON THIS DAIS TO SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THEM OR WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM GO UNDER. I MEAN, SIX WEEKS IS IT IS WHAT IT IS. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE LYING. ARE YOU LYING? I MEAN, THAT'S MAX. THAT'S THAT IS THE MAX. IF WE ARE MAKING MONEY AND AND THE REASON IT'S THE REASON THE SIX WEEKS IS RELEVANT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY PAID THEIR CHAMBER DUES. AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN INFLUX OF MONEY COMING IN. AND SO, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PAY PETER TO ROB PETER, TO PAY PAUL THE FIRST FEW QUARTERS BECAUSE THEY WERE USING CHAMBER FUNDS. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING CHAMBER FUNDS, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THE REST OF THE EXPENSES? SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I MEAN, WE ALL TALK ABOUT SUPPORTING, BUT THEN WE TABLE. IT'S JUST IT'S THE MOST FRUSTRATING THING ABOUT BEING IN CITY GOVERNMENT. I JUST WANT TO QUESTION THAT LINE OF LOGIC AS WELL. THE QUOTE THAT WE HAVE TO FUND THEM. I MEAN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO FUND THE CHAMBER OVER ANY OTHER FAMILY BUSINESS IN TOWN? WHY DON'T WE GO? YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE BARACK'S ITALIAN. WHY DIDN'T I GO SAY BARACK'S ITALIAN? WHY DIDN'T I GO GIVE THEM MONEY? THE PROBLEM IS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, IS THAT YOUR OWN BUSINESS MODEL SHOWS YOU WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS. YOU PUT IN YOUR OWN WEAKNESSES, YOUR OVERRELIANCE ON THE HOT FUNDS, AND YOUR SOLUTION IS I WANT TO TRIPLE DOWN ON THAT. I WANT TO ACTUALLY GET THREE TIMES THE HOT FUNDS, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN'T PROVE THE HOT FUND METRICS THAT YOU NEED TO QUALIFY FOR THAT. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THE RIDE IS SO HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT A FIT FOR LAGO VISTA. THE THE LAW WAS NEVER WRITTEN FOR CITIES LIKE LAGO VISTA. IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE 80S. IT WAS ABOUT HOTELS AND RESORTS. IT WAS. AIRBNBS WERE ADDED MUCH LATER ON, AND WE'RE JUST NOT A GOOD FIT FOR IT. YOU CAN'T PROVE IT. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO IF YOU'RE UP HERE TODAY AND YOU'RE AGREEING TO GIVE THEM HOT FUNDS, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS THAT YOU ETHICALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A TIGHT VIEW OF THE LAW, THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A LOOSE VIEW OF THE LAW, THAT THE WAY THAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU WANT TO DO IT SOME OTHER CITIES ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOOSE IMAGE OF THE LAW. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TOO. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. THE LAW IS WHAT IT IS. THIS IS NOT A FIT FOR IT. THEY CAN TRY AND QUALIFY FOR WHATEVER THEY CAN, BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TO US DESPERATE, WE SHOULD LOOSEN OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW AND GIVE THEM THE FUNDS FOR IT. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          GENERAL FUNDS TO I MEAN, WE DIDN'T EVEN TO SIT HERE TONIGHT AND SAY, YOU'RE READY TO GIVE GENERAL FUNDS TO THEM. WE JUST HAD MONTHS AND WEEKS OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. WE NEVER ONCE TALKED ABOUT USING GENERAL FUNDS FOR THAT. SO NOW YOU'RE WILLING TO SIT HERE TONIGHT. 
          YOU DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. BUT TONIGHT, YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE HAD NO DATA TO BACK THIS UP, NO DISCUSSION OF IT. BUT NOW I'M READY TO LOOSEN UP THE GENERAL FUNDS WHEN I WASN'T WILLING TO DO IT JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. NOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THEM. IF THEY ONLY HAVE SIX WEEKS LEFT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOOSENING UP THE LAW. I'M NOT EVEN SAYING MY POSITION ON THE VISITOR CENTER HAS CHANGED. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GREATER GOOD. THE GREATER GOOD IS, IS THE CITY IS NOT PREPARED TO TAKE ON THE VISITOR CENTER IN-HOUSE. OKAY. AND THE AND THE VISITOR CENTER THROUGH THE CHAMBER IS SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM SOLVENCY. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF YOU APPROVE $50,000 FOR AN EVENT FOR THEM TO CREATE REVENUE, THEY WOULD PROLONG THEIR EXISTENCE. LOOK, ALL I'M SAYING IS I WANT TO PUT IT TO A VOTE. I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO TABLE IT, THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST ONE OF SEVEN, RIGHT. AND I'M NOT GETTING WORKED UP. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE JUST LISTENED TO A TWO HOUR LONG PRESENTATION. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK IT'S WORTH GIVING THEM A, A VOTE. YEAH. I'M I'M NOT SURE I'M READY TO VOTE ON THE FULL 122,000. MY WHAT I WAS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS I'M I THINK HOT FUNDS MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE GENERAL FUNDING OF THE VISITOR CENTER. AS MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN INDICATED, THERE'S A LOT OF, I THINK, VALUE IN THE VISITOR CENTER JUST FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AND PROMOTING THE CITY AND YOUR ROLE IN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND HELPING BRING IN MORE BUSINESSES IS ONE EXAMPLE, RIGHT? AS A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE MAJORITY OR ALL OF THAT FUNDING IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ASK THE 122,000. BUT I THINK TRYING TO TRIANGULATE OUR LEVERAGE THAT FROM HOT FUNDS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. 
          SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING AT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IF NO ONE'S READY TO VOTE ON IT YET, BUT IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF ANY KIND OF STOPGAP FUNDING, BECAUSE I WILL SAY THIS, I THINK WE NEED A VIBRANT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I SEE A LOT OF VALUE FROM IT. SO I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GO UNDER. SO IF THERE'S SOME WAY OF COMING UP WITH SOME KIND OF STOPGAP TO KEEP YOU GUYS AFLOAT WHILE WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER DETAILS THAT WE 
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WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT OR GET A COMFORT LEVEL AROUND WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO YOU CONSIDER THAT? I MEAN, THE REALITY IS WE JUST WE JUST PASSED A BUDGET THAT WAS BLOATED. WE'RE GIVING $60,000 TO THE AIRPORT WHEN THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IT. WE WE COLLECTED $1.4 MILLION MORE THAN WE SPENT LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF VACANCIES. 
          I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETS, WE, WE, WE ARE COLLECTING MORE THAN WE'RE SPENDING. AND WE DIDN'T GO WITH THE 0.42. WE WENT WITH THE 0.45. AND THAT SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE UP THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR HOT AND WHAT IS ELIGIBLE TO KEEP THE CHAMBER FUNDED. MAYOR PRO TEM. YOU KNOW, I, I AM EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE. 
          EDAC IN THE EDC BROUGHT FORWARD AN STR SOFTWARE THAT WOULD HAVE DRIVEN THE DATA FOR THE CHAMBER AND FOR US. AND THIS WAS LAST YEAR. COUNCILOR BENNEFIELD, YOU WERE ONE OF THE MAIN OPPONENTS TO CONTINUING THAT SOFTWARE AND IMPLEMENTING IT BECAUSE YOU SAID THE VALUE WAS NOT THERE. 
          LAST MONTH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING FORWARD AN AGREEMENT FOR THE CHAMBER, IT WAS ADAMANT. NOT ONLY WERE YOU AGAINST THE VISITOR CENTER, YOU DIDN'T. YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER, AND YOU CHANGED FROM WHAT WE AGREED FOR THE CHAMBER BACK LAST YEAR. YOU CHANGED IT, SAID, OH, WELL, THAT WAS FOR EVENTS ONLY. WHEN I WENT BACK, THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE STATED. AND SO THEN WE WENT BACK. AND YOUR MOTION WAS THAT. NO, WE JUST ONLY NEED TO DO EVENTS NOW. SO YES, PART OF THIS IS ON US. PART OF THAT IS ON YOU. PART OF THAT IS ON ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T CORRECT IT. RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE IN A SPOT, THOUGH, THAT IF WE GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD AND LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF WE DO, IF WE ARE NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS STUFF, WE END UP IN ORANGE JUMPSUITS. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ACTUALLY COME THROUGH AND PIERCE THE VEIL. SO ON THIS ONE, I'M SORRY, I AM OPEN ACTUALLY TO SAYING LET'S LOOK AT MAYBE $20,000, YOU KNOW, TO GET US THROUGH GOING THROUGH AN AGREEMENT, FIGURING OUT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, BEING ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDS, WE NEED TO GET OUR STRATEGY TOGETHER. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY IS WELL BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE HERE. IN REGARD TO OUR OWN STAFF CAPACITIES AND HOW WE OPERATE. BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M ALISON, I WOULD LOVE TO HAND YOU 122,000. YOU GOT TO KNOW AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT THAT IS GOING TO GET US IN TROUBLE OVER HERE. AND I'M GOING TO UNEQUIVOCALLY, UNLESS WE GET THAT FIGURED OUT, IT IS GOING TO BE COME BACK ON US AS NOT DOING OUR OUR FIDUCIARY DUTY ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU, MR. BONFIELD. THAT THAT THAT IS SO RIDICULOUS. THE THE ORANGE JUMPSUIT COMMENT IS YOU'VE USED THAT TWICE. YOU'VE SAID THAT ONCE IN MARCH AND YOU'VE SAID IT AGAIN TONIGHT. THE REALITY IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BRAD ALLOWS THE CITY TO FUND THE CHAMBER AND THE VISITOR CENTER USING HOT, FUN ELIGIBLE MONEY AND NON HOT FUND ELIGIBLE MONEY VIA THE GENERAL FUNDS. SO IF YOU APPROVE AN AMOUNT TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND A PORTION OF THAT IS HOT FUND ELIGIBLE, THEN WE WOULD PAY THROUGH THE HOT FUNDS. IF A PORTION OF IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE, THEN IT WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YEAH. SO THE CITY, A CITY UNDER CHAPTER 380 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, A CITY CAN CERTAINLY ENTER INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH AN OUTSIDE ENTITY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MARKETING, BROADER, YOU KNOW, BROADLY SPEAKING, TYPES OF THINGS THAT DO NOT HAVE TO BE TIED TO HOTEL OCCUPANCY RATES. SO YOU HAVE IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. BUT THERE ARE AG OPINIONS THAT SAY THAT THAT SORT OF THING IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. YOU HAVE MORE DISCRETION AND FLEXIBILITY TO FUND IN THAT WAY. BUT THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. IF YOU WANT TO SPEND GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT WAY. IT'S YOUR CALL. YOU HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO SO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND HOT FUND MONEY, WE HAVE TO TRACK IT. 
          IT HAS TO BE FIT UNDER THE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF IF IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT. IS IT I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE. THIS IS THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. ARE ANY ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL 
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HERE GOING TO GO AWAY IN ORANGE SUITS THE PSA? NO. I SURE HOPE NOT. AND NOW FOR SOMETHING. I WROTE THE PSA. THE PSA IS PREMISED ON THE IDEA OF GENERAL FUND MONEY. IT'S A IT'S ENTIRELY SEPARATE FROM THE HOT FUND ISSUE. BUT THAT THAT IS ITS OWN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT I DRAFTED WAS A WAS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT SETS FORTH IT'S FUNDED BY GENERAL FUND MONEY. IT MAKES THE APPROPRIATE FINDINGS. THAT'S OKAY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. YOU KNOW, MONEY DECISION THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE. OKAY. SO SO WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY IN ORANGE SUITS. OKAY. SO THAT'S POINT NUMBER ONE. MR. JOY, YOU WERE IN THE MEETING WITH ERIC AND JENNIFER, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THERE HAS TO BE CHANGES TO THE VISITOR CENTER. AND I ASKED VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. IF AND WHEN WOULD THE CITY BE READY TO TAKE THAT OVER? DID YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE CITY COULD SWITCH, SWITCH A FLIP AND GET THIS DONE IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, OR THE NEXT SIX WEEKS OR SIX MONTHS OR YEAR? I MEAN, WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION OF THAT MEETING? YEAH, I THINK STAFF INDICATED THAT TO REPLICATE EVERYTHING THE CHAMBER IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE VISITOR CENTER, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN SHORT ORDER. THEY WOULD TAKE SOME TIME. THEY ALSO DISCUSSED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR HAS TALKED ABOUT AS THE VISITOR CENTER. IS THAT REALLY A SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN THIS DAY AND TIME? SO THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. THE MEETING. YEAH. SO SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE DECISION THAT'S BASICALLY BEING MADE IN THIS DISCUSSION. AND I'LL BE DONE IS TOTALLY AGREE THAT THERE HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT THE VISITOR CENTER MODEL WORKS WORKS. RIGHT. 
          AND THAT CAN BE A LONG TERM DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DO SUPPORT THAT. AND I KNOW AND I AGREE WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT'S ON THE BOOKS, THAT A LOT OF THESE HOT FUNDS WILL GO AWAY. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, TOO. I'M NOT CHANGING MY OPINION ON THAT. MY MY SIMPLE OPINION IS, IS THAT YOU HAVE A FACILITY ABOUT TO GO UNDER IN SIX WEEKS, AND I DON'T LIKE THE CONTRACT YOU'RE IN, BY THE WAY, WITH YOUR WITH YOUR OFFICE. IT'S TERRIBLE. YOU OUGHT TO LOOK AT HOW TO CANCEL IT. I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE MESSAGE ME SAYING THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE, BUT YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF THAT CONTRACT. BUT WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR TONIGHT IS THAT WHILE WE FIGURE IT OUT, WE DON'T SEE SOMEBODY DROWN. WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          MY ASK IS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS THAT THERE'S ACTUAL RETURNABLE, THERE'S AN ACTUAL ROI ON THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING MEASURABLE THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK, BECAUSE I THINK WITH THE CHAMBER POINTED OUT DIRECTLY IN THE LAST ONLINE DISPUTE THAT WENT ON, IS THE CITY IS SPENDING MORE THAN IT HAS EVER SPENT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ITS OWN GENERAL FUNDS RIGHT NOW. AND WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT OF THOSE FUNDS IS GOING TO BE. SO BEFORE WE START HANDING FUNDS OUT TO AN OUTSIDE ENTITY TO CONTRACT WITH THEM, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN RETURN. AND WE STILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND INTERNALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN RETURN. SO IF THERE'S ANY MOTION TONIGHT ON THAT, MY ASK IS THAT YOU INCLUDE IN THERE EXACTLY HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE THAT? AND ONE THING I WOULD ASK US TO LOOK AT IS THE 2019 DALLAS AUDIT OF THEIR VISITOR CENTER HAD A LOT OF GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY SAW AND HOW THAT VISITOR CENTER MODEL WAS. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE IS YOU CAN'T HAVE THE THE GRANTEE BE THE ONE WHO'S ALSO COLLECTING THE DATA THAT JUSTIFIES THE NEED FOR THE MONEY, RIGHT? THEY HAD TO FIND A THIRD PARTY OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WAS ACTUALLY COUNTING WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE COMING ARE THE ACTUAL VISITORS. 
          THERE JUST HAS TO BE AN UNBIASED THIRD PARTY, SOMEBODY WHO'S ACTUALLY VALIDATING THE DATA, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, HOW DO YOU TRUST WHAT YOU'RE BEING GIVEN? I AGREE WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE REASON THE CITY THROUGH MY MOTION, NORMA, IS I'M THE ONE THAT PUT TOGETHER THE AIRBNB SOFTWARE THROUGH GRANICUS AND DICKERED. AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT AFTER THAT WAS BEING RULED OUT, THAT IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE AT $30,000 AND IT WASN'T GOING TO PRODUCE ANYTHING MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT CIVIC PLUS WAS GOING TO PRODUCE. AND SO THEREFORE, BECAUSE CIVIC PLUS WAS GOING TO PRODUCE EVERYTHING THAT THOSE SOFTWARES WERE GOING TO DO, THAT THERE WAS NO POINT. BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CIVIC PLUS HAS NEVER BEEN RULED OUT OR MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CHAMBER TO GET THAT DATA. SO AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF WE'RE KIND OF HAMSTRINGING THEM THERE. BUT I DO AGREE THERE HAS TO BE PERFORMANCE. I DO AGREE THERE HAS TO BE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I'M NOT SUPPORTING A BAILOUT. I SUPPORT A WE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO SURVIVE UNTIL THEY CAN GET US THE THE DATA AND THAT'S IT. I WON'T SAY ANY MORE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GRANICUS PART OF IT, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS ALWAYS CONFUSED ABOUT, HOW ARE YOU CONNECTING GRANICUS SOFTWARE AND THAT DATA TO A VISITOR THAT WALKS INTO THE VISITOR CENTER? I'VE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD FROM ANYBODY HOW THOSE TWO HAVE BEEN CONNECTED. IT SOUNDS TO ME WE WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN SAYING, HEY, ON THIS WEEKEND, LOOK, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE MORE AIRBNB FOLKS. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CHAMBER. BUT HOW, HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO PROVE THAT? AND WHAT WAS THAT NEXUS? WELL, YOU COULD SAY THAT FOR ANYTHING. I THINK THE I THINK THE CORRELATION IS, IS IF YOU TRACK 100 STAYS A WEEKEND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE BREWS AND 
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BALLOONS AND THAT SPIKES TO 150, THE CORRELATION IS YOU HAD AN INCREASE OF 50 STAYS ON THAT PARTICULAR WEEKEND. NOW, THAT MIGHT BE A RAW ASSUMPTION. IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN ON A BUSY WEEKEND. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT'S MULTIPLE DATA POINTS. YOU'RE COLLECTING ZIP CODES. YOU'RE SELLING TICKETS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOFTWARE FOR EVENTS. I CAN SEE DEFINITELY. 
          BUT TO PROVE THE DAY TO DAY OF THE VISITOR CENTER WITH THE GRANICUS, I NEVER SAW HOW THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I, I MAYOR, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR POSITION ON THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          I THINK THERE'S MAJOR FLAWS IN IT. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE REWORKED. I THINK IT HAS TO BE REWRITTEN. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THEM? ALL RIGHT. WELL I'M OPEN TO MOTIONS. I MOVE TO APPROVE. WAS IT 10,000. I FORGET THE EXACT AMOUNT. WHAT WAS THE $10,177 FOR TWO MONTHS ALLOWING SUFFICIENT TIME FOR CITY COUNCIL TO WORK WITH THE EDC AND OTHERS UNTIL WE CAN. APPROVE A MORE LONG TERM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. THE MOTION FOR MR. BENEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VAN NESS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MR. CHAVARRIA? I KNOW WE'RE DOING TWO MONTHS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT A LIKE A PHYSICAL END DATE. SO IF WE COULD SAY BY DECEMBER 31ST, THEY'LL HAVE PRODUCIBLE DATA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH EDC. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR FISCAL YEAR END DATE IS. IF IT'S THE SAME AS THE CITY'S OR IF YOU DO DECEMBER 31ST. BUT I THINK THAT IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE DATA THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR DATA COLLECTION. TO YOUR POINT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM WHEN YOU ARE COLLECTING YOUR AND REPORTING YOUR OWN DATA. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IPADS ARE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT IS A THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE AND THE INDIVIDUAL ENTERS IT IN. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU CAME FORWARD, WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVE THAT OR SHOW IT IN SOME WAY THAT IT WOULD BE MEASURABLE OR AN EXPENSE. I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THAT GOES, BUT I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THE VISITOR CENTER. I BELIEVE THAT I'LL GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT NOW, TOO. I, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE IN A DAY AND AGE IN LAGO VISTA, THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED A PHYSICAL CENTER THAT IS GETTING 15 TO 30 WALK INS PER WEEK. AND WE CAN'T EVEN JUSTIFY HOW MANY OVERNIGHT STAYS THERE THEY'RE DOING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONLINE IS GETTING BUSY, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GETTING TELEPHONE CALLS. AND I'LL BE HONEST, EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY THERE AND I SEE SOMEBODY WALKING INTO THE VISITOR CENTER, IT'S A LOCAL. SO IF YOU ALL ARE COLLECTING DATA THAT IT'S THAT'S PROVING OTHERWISE, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT. SO I'M SAYING THAT MAYBE DECEMBER 31ST IS THE DEADLINE. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THAT MOTION CHANGE? ABSOLUTELY. AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH IT AS WELL, BUT THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE CORRECTIVE MEASURES. THAT'S FINE. DO YOU AGREE TO THAT? I AGREE TO THAT. BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE DOING THINGS BACKWARDS. I THINK IN OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE ASK WAS, LET'S DO SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING AND FIGURE OUT THAT CHAMBER EDC CITY NEXT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE TOGETHER AND THEN WORK ON THE AGREEMENT? AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK THERE'S VALUE TO THE CHAMBER BEYOND JUST PURELY HOT FUNDS. SO SOME GENERAL FUNDING MAKES SENSE TO ME. AND I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A CYCLE. I THINK COUNCILOR BENEFIELD POINTED THIS OUT. LET'S GET THROUGH A YEAR OF BETTER COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION AND WORKING TOGETHER MORE STRATEGICALLY AND SEE WHAT THE ROI IS FOR BOTH THE CHAMBER AND FOR THE EDC. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF DOES THE VISITOR CENTER. I'M AGNOSTIC ON THE VISITOR CENTER. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE METRICS. DOES IT REALLY BRING VALUE IN OR IS THERE OTHER VALUE OTHER THAN TOURISM, THAT WE GAIN FROM THE VISITOR CENTER THAT SUPPORTS LOCAL BUSINESSES OR SUPPORTS, BRING IN, YOU KNOW, NEW BUSINESSES INTO LAGO? SO I'M OPEN TO SEEING THIS STUFF PROVED OUT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET EMPIRICAL DATA FIRST BY ACTUALLY OPERATING IT TOGETHER IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY IN A MORE STRATEGIC WAY, A MORE COLLABORATIVE WAY, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF BENEFITS WE GET. SO I THINK WE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE IF WE WERE SUPPORTING THIS PAST YEAR TO SHOW THAT DATA, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE USED THE FUNDS THAT WE HAD RAISED SEPARATELY TO, TO INVEST BACK INTO THAT. AND WE'RE WE'RE PUT HERE A YEAR LATER BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING NO, NO WAY TO SHOW IT. NO, NO, NO PROCESSES. WE'RE WE'RE THROWING DARTS IN, IN THE DARK. AND IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO US IN ANY WAY. AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING 
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SAID IS VERY LIKE WHEN WE KIND OF FIGURE THIS OUT AND IT'S, THERE'S STILL NO PROCESS. AND THE REALITY IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING WE DO IN A MONTH. IF, IF WE DON'T FIGURE THIS OUT, LIKE RIGHT NOW. IT JUST IS. MR. PRINCE, UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THAT WAS ON THE MICROPHONE. ALLISON SO OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, NOBODY HEARD IT. A COUPLE OF POINTS. I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART. MR. BENFIELD'S 10,177 PER MONTH. SO DATA POINT. 
          SECONDLY, I'M NOT SURE THE END DATE MATTERS. IF THE MOTION IS ABOUT AMOUNT PER MONTH AND NOT TO EXCEED THE TOTAL AMOUNT. SO I'M NOT SURE THE DATE MATTERS AS MUCH ON THAT. YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE TWO MONTHLY PAYMENTS OR YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT LIMIT. SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR MOTION. AND THEN THIRDLY TO ME AND THIS IS GOING TO BE YOU ALL'S PROBLEM, NOT MINE, BUT YOU YOU EXTENDING THEM FOR TWO MONTHS WHEN YOU HAVE STILL NOT HAD THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE. SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR STRATEGIC DISCUSSION DONE, DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE CHAMBER, HOW YOU WANT TO FUND IT. AND IF THAT MEANS IT'S THREE MONTHS OR FOUR MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT SAYING TONIGHT WE'LL SPEND MONEY FOR TWO MONTHS AND TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE SAYING, OH, WE STILL HAVEN'T HAD THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION AND BECAUSE OF CHRISTMAS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK YOU'RE BOXING YOURSELF INTO HAVING THIS EXACT DISCUSSION AGAIN TWO MONTHS FROM NOW. SO I WOULD SUGGEST EITHER KILL IT TONIGHT OR EXTEND IT TO MORE THAN TWO MONTHS SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO. MY QUESTION WAS TO WHAT'S THE FUNDING SOURCE? WELL, IDEALLY, AS MUCH HOT FUNDS AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE APPROVING TWO MONTHS AND THAT ENDS UP BEING 21,000, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU COME AND, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE AS MUCH HOT FUND ELIGIBLE REIMBURSEMENTS AS POSSIBLE. BUT THE DELTA WOULD HAVE TO BE GENERAL FUNDS THAT WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH THIS, THIS PROFESSIONAL OPERATING AGREEMENT AND SERVICES AGREEMENT. MAYBE YOU COULD HOLD ON REAL QUICK. I JUST WANT TO TALK COUNCIL FIRST. AND SO IF SOMETHING'S GONNA COME OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS, ARE YOU GOING TO IDENTIFY LIKE A LINE ITEM OR IS IT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER OR FINANCE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT IS? I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T CONTEMPLATED THAT, BUT I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY I WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO COME OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND FUNDS FOR THE CHAMBER. I'D LOVE A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION IF THIS PROCEEDS FORWARD. SO JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THE MOTION IS AS MUCH HOT FUNDS AS POSSIBLE. BUT IF NOT, THEN THERE'S A GENERAL FUNDS INCLUDED. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE. DO YOU AGREE TO THAT? MY ASSUMPTION IS WE JUST FUNDED OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS FOR NOW. SO AND TO COUNCILOR PRINCE'S SUGGESTION, IF THREE MONTHS MAKES MORE SENSE, I MEAN, WE HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING IN NOVEMBER. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL BE HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO DO STRATEGIC PLANNING AND LOOK AT THE INTERFACE WITH THE EDC AND THE CITY AND THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. DO WE WANT TO GO INTO JANUARY TO GIVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN? THAT MAKES SENSE TO US THAT WE FEEL OKAY AND ACTUAL OUTCOMES BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT. WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, I THOUGHT ACTUAL OUTCOMES THAT SHOW A BETTER ROI, NOT JUST HOT FUNDS RELATED, BUT REAL BENEFIT FOR THE CITY THAT WE WOULD TARGET TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE IN THE COMING YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS FUNDED OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS. AND THEN IF YOU THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HOT FUNDS AND WE CAN FUND IT OUT OF HOT FUNDS. 
          SO. SO AS THE SECOND ON THIS MOTION YOU'RE SENDING BACK TO ADAM, YOU WANT IT ALL OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS AND YOU'RE EXTENDING IT TO HOW LONG? THREE MONTHS. THREE MONTHS. MR. BENEFIELD, ARE YOU ACCEPTING OF THAT? I'M FINE WITH THE THREE MONTHS, BUT I'M NOT FINE WITH 100% OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO I WOULD SAY NO. AND I'M FINE WITH DRAWING MY MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER DISCUSSION WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GETTING CONVOLUTED. 
          THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I AGREE WITH WITHDRAWING THE MOTION. WELL, NO, NO, NO. IF YOU'RE WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION I HAVE NO COMMENT. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. BUT MY MY GOAL IS NOT TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. MY, MY GOAL IS, IS LET'S GIVE THE CHAMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE TO US THAT THEY CAN MAKE THESE THINGS HOT FUND ELIGIBLE AND GIVE THEM 2 TO 3 MONTHS. LET'S SEE WHAT THEY CAN COME UP WITH. LET'S GIVE THEM SOME FUNDING THAT GETS THEM. FIRST OF ALL, WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY REAL FUNDING IN 2025 TO 2026. RIGHT? SO YES, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A BIG ASK FOR A 2 TO 3 MONTH THING, BUT IT'S REALLY KIND OF A MAKEUP. I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL ASK IN THE TOTALITY OF THINGS, 
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BUT I WOULD I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU. I MEAN, IF YOU CAN COME AND PROVE THAT THESE THINGS ARE HOT FUND ELIGIBLE, HOW MUCH EASIER WOULD THIS CONVERSATION BE IN JANUARY OR DECEMBER? YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONUS THAT I WOULD PUT ON TO YOU. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC. SO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME GENERAL FUND FUNDING OF THE VISITOR CENTER, THIS SHORT TERM STOPGAP MEASURE. AND GOING FORWARD, IF WE MOVE FORWARD INTO A PSA WITH THEM, I JUST THAT'S THE REALITY. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE CAN JUSTIFY A THIRD OF THIS. WE CAN JUSTIFY 10,000 IN HOT FUNDS OUT OF THE 30,531. THAT WOULD BE THE THREE MONTH TOTAL. SO I THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO DON'T MAKE THAT EFFORT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC TO THINK IT CAN ALL BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH HOT FUNDING. SO I WOULDN'T PUT THAT ONUS ON ALLISON TO TRY TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK, MR. HALL. WELL, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE SENSE THAT BRAD GAVE US A A, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLE CONTRACT FOR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHERE WE NEED TO GO RATHER THAN A VISITOR CENTER, BECAUSE I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT A VISITOR CENTER IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT VALUE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BRINGS TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF, OF ENCOURAGING VISITORS, EVEN IF THEY'RE FROM JONESTOWN, TO COME HERE AND SPEND MONEY AT OUR RESTAURANTS. THERE'S A VALUE TO THAT. AND, AND, AND THAT'S NOT HOT FUNDS. AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WHAT THEY DO IN ALL THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES WAS AN INDICATION THAT THOSE BUSINESSES SEE VALUE IN, IN WHAT THE CHAMBER DOES AND IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE VISITOR CENTER JUST BECOMES A LITTLE MINUTE PIECE OF THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION. AND IT'S MORE RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S WHAT WHAT OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING IS, IS ABOUT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS WE'RE, WE'RE AT A DIFFICULT POSITION, A PLACE TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION OF THIS. BUT THE, THE CONTRACT, THE SAMPLE CONTRACT HAD MEASURABLE GOALS AND MEASURABLE THINGS THAT COULD BE. SHOW THE VALUE OF WHAT WHAT THE CHAMBER IS DOING. 
          SO ANYWAY, I JUST I THINK THAT IT IT'S THE FOCUS ON A VISITOR CENTER IS JUST MISPLACED. AND IT'S MORE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MAYOR PRO TEM. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF LEFT FIELD. ALLISON, BUT I'VE SEEN THE BOOK THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER LAST YEAR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REVERSE OUR LAST MONTH'S MOTION, THAT THE CHAMBER IS ABLE TO SUBMIT UP TO 100,000 OF THEIR PRIOR EXPENSES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AGAINST HOT FUNDS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REIMBURSE THOSE THAT WILL REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO MOVE THAT OVER HERE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU, BRAD? I KNOW YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING, BUT EFFECTIVELY, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE. MAKE AVAILABLE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES FROM LAST YEAR THAT GO BEYOND EVENTS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU SAID YOU'RE REVERSING SOME DECISION. WHICH DECISION? THAT WAS LAST MONTH WHEN WE SAID THAT, THAT THEY COULD BRING UP TO 100,000 AND JUST EVENTS ONLY. WHAT I'M STATING IS ANY ELIGIBLE EXPENSES THAT THEY MAY HAVE FROM THE PRIOR YEAR THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED FUNDS TO. SO WE HAD COMMITTED 100,000. BASICALLY, WE HAD DONE EFFECTIVELY THE EVENT BREWS AND BALLOONS, ETC. WE HAD FUNDED IT UP TO 32 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I GUESS AT CHARLES ENSURED THAT THAT WAS PAID. THERE WAS STILL ABOUT 60 $70,000 LEFT FROM THE ALLOCATION THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD GIVEN THEM. SO THAT IS THIS IS TWO PARTS, BY THE WAY. BUT THAT ALSO MEANS WE HAD SAID JUST EVENTS ONLY SO THAT THERE IS PRIOR ELIGIBLE EXPENSES. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED THAT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN DONE BECAUSE WE WERE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS THAT WE COULD NOW IDENTIFY BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE. JUST CLARIFY BEFORE WE GET TO WHAT BRAD MAY WANT TO CHIME IN, RATHER THAN SAYING THAT WE'RE REVERSING SOMETHING, YOU JUST YOU HAVEN'T. 
          I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD ALLOW UP TO 100,000 OF NON 
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EVENT BASED THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE AGENDIZED FOR THAT. I THINK THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VISITOR'S CENTER AGREEMENT OR A. THAT IS CORRECT. I GUESS IF YOU SOMEHOW AMENDED THIS SERVICE AGREEMENT, MA'AM. OKAY. SHE WITHDREW. I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION. OKAY. MR. BENEFIELD. NORMALLY THE REASON THAT DOESN'T WORK IS THOSE FUNDS WERE SPENT WITHOUT AN OPERATING AGREEMENT IN PLACE. RIGHT. SO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MOTION. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT WE WERE DENYING THE $62,000 BECAUSE COUNCIL FAILED TO ENTER INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY. OKAY. IF YOU'RE SO WILLING TO GIVE THEM A $100,000 TODAY BY REVERSING A MOTION, WHY DON'T YOU JUST APPROVE THE MOTION TODAY? JUST APPROVE WHAT WE'RE ASKING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REVERSE ANYTHING. JUST APPROVE THE ASK. JUST SAY YES. I'M WILLING TO GIVE THEM $100,000 OF QUALIFYING FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD DO. THAT'S WHAT'S AGENDA ITEM. IF YOU'RE SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHAMBER, STOP FIGHTING THEM. AND LET'S JUST SAY YES. SO YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO REVERSE UP TO $100,000. SO I ACCEPT YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. AND SO IN TERMS OF THIS, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO BACKSTOP THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND HAVE A LINE ITEM, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR THE SERVICES AGREEMENT. SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE THREE MONTHS. I'M WILLING TO DO THREE MONTHS. AS COUNCILOR VAN NESS SAID, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. I AM JUST RIGHT NOW, I'M COLLABORATING, GOING, HOW CAN WE DO THIS AND NOT GET OURSELVES INTO A BIND AND TAKE CARE OF THE CHAMBER? MR. PRINCIPAL. SO, JUST IN AN ATTEMPT TO BREAK THE LOGJAM HERE, THE CONFUSION, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT DOCUMENT WHICH WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IF WE ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO ADJUST IT TO BE A RATE OF, YOU KNOW, $10,177 PER MONTH AND NOT TO EXCEED THREE MONTHS PAYMENT UNTIL WE, YOU ALL MODIFY IT, POTENTIALLY MODIFIED IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN WE ADD TO THAT THAT WE WE WANT TO HAVE A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION TO. AND THAT WOULD ALL BE, BY THE WAY, GENERAL FUND. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT, NORMAN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO FIND THE FUNDS AND MOVE IT FROM SOMEWHERE. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE MOTION TONIGHT. THAT WOULD BE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO FIND THAT. RIGHT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THE MOTION I THINK WOULD BE UP TO THREE MONTHS IN THE IN THE CONTRACT. AND THEN THE INTENT TO HAVE A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION TO DECIDE WHERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THAT MONEY WOULD, WOULD POTENTIALLY ALL BE FROM THE GENERAL FUND WITH THE GUIDANCE TO THE CHAMBER THAT WE WANT THEM, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, TO FIND AS MUCH MONEY, JUSTIFY AS MUCH OF THAT MONEY COMING FROM HOT AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN THAT GETS YOU YOUR THREE MONTH EXTENSION COVERED BY GENERAL FUND, WHICH PROBABLY MOST OF IT IS GOING TO BE. AND SOME OF IT MAY BE IF WE'RE FORTUNATE TO COME OUT OF HOT FUNDS, IS THAT A MOTION? IT COULD BE. IF ANYONE SEES. I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. THEN I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. PRINCE. I HAVE A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MR. AVERILL? ONE MORE, ONE COMMENT. THIS WILL BE PRETTY MUCH A THREE MONTH. YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE THIS EDC MEETING, WE DO A STRATEGIC PLANNING. I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK FOR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM HOT FUNDS, BUT REALLY WHAT THIS MEANS TO ME, I ONLY HAVE A YEAR LEFT ON THE COUNCIL. THIS IS A MAKE OR BREAK FOR ME ON A DECISION ON ON THAT, BECAUSE I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED ABOUT USING GENERAL FUNDS FOR A VISITOR CENTER. SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, I WANT YOU TO FIND EVERY SINGLE ITEMIZED EXPENSE YOU CAN POSSIBLY BRING FORWARD TO COVER THIS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT IN, IN THE FUTURE. SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU A WARNING. SO AND I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT IF YOU WANT, BECAUSE I CAN FIND IT. I CAN TELL YOU, I TELL YOU, I CAN FIND THINGS. THAT'S WHAT I DO ALL DAY LONG. I'M A RESEARCHER, BUT I WILL SAY, IF IT HAS ANY FUNDS COME OUT OF GENERAL, I DON'T WANT OUR TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR ANYTHING. THIS IS I DON'T NOT NOT OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE CHAMBER MEMBERS. AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE OVERNIGHT STAYS AT HOTELS TO COVER THESE KINDS OF THINGS FOR VISITOR CENTERS, NOT FOR OUR LOCALS. SO THAT'S ALL I 
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WANT TO SAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THIS FOR THREE MONTHS, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT GOING FORWARD, THEN I WANT SOME MORE PROOF. YEAH, THIS IS A GREAT POINT. AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I THINK PART OF THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION THAT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ALL HAVE IS AN ROI TO THE CITY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES THAT THE CHAMBER PUTS ON. AND DOES THAT JUSTIFY MONEY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND? BECAUSE MORE THAN THAT IS COMING BACK AS A RESULT OF THAT. THAT'S THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. YEAH, AND I'M WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK TO ME, THE MORE THE MORE POWERFUL OPPORTUNITY IS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANGLE. AND SO THIS MAY MORPH FROM VISITOR CENTER TO SOMETHING ELSE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR AS WE GO THROUGH AND PROVE PROVE OUT EMPIRICALLY HOW THE CITY EDC CHAMBER CAN COLLABORATE AND DO EVEN NEW THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT YET IN A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO BRING NEW BUSINESSES IN HERE, BRING MORE PEOPLE HERE, TOURISM, ETC. SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS NECESSARILY WE'RE FUNDING A VISITOR CENTER JUST FOR VISITORS OR TRYING TO ATTRACT HOT FUNDS TYPE FUNDING. TO ME, IT'S A MUCH BIGGER OPPORTUNITY. SO BUT I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. IS IT CLEAR TO STAFF? NO, SORRY. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF A FEW THINGS. ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SIGNIFICANT EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT THAT I SHARED WITH YOU ALL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M WHAT MY DIRECTION IS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE MONTH TERM, RIGHT? AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MONTHLY ALLOTMENT OF TELL ME THAT NUMBER AGAIN, 10,000, 10,010 111777 A MONTH. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER BIG MATERIAL TERMS. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO THE RENEWAL AND ALL THAT STUFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I'M GOING TO SEND YOU A RED LINE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN. I MEAN, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. OKAY. BECAUSE I GOT I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND, I'VE GOT TO GET ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM YOU TONIGHT TO DRAFT SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT THE MAYOR CAN. I CAN SAY YOU CAN SIGN THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS THE ACTION OF COUNCIL. IF IT'S IF IT'S APPROVED. OKAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS, IS CAPTURES WHAT YOUR DIRECTION IS. AND LET ME JUST BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE THREE OF 19, BECAUSE YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT VISITOR CENTER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT PAGE THREE OF 19 UNDER THE SERVICE CONTRACT, THESE ARE THE SERVICES THAT ARE IN THERE DESTINATION MARKETING, TOURISM PROMOTION, VISITOR INFORMATION SERVICES, COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS MARKETING, DIGITAL MARKETING, EVENT MARKETING, CONTENT AND COLLATERAL, MEDIA AND INDUSTRY RELATIONS, RESEARCH AND MEASUREMENT, BRAND STEWARDSHIP. AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL SERVICES YOU WERE TO DIRECT THEM TO DO SO WE'RE TALKING. SO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU ALL CONTEMPLATES SOMETHING MUCH MORE THAN A VISITOR CENTER. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO. THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, THAT $10,000 A MONTH, HOW HOW ARE YOU DOING THESE THINGS? RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S ALL OF THE PROVISIONS IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL REPORTING AND, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATION. AND WE SPENT, YOU KNOW, THIS MUCH ON THIS, THIS SERVICE AND THIS MUCH ON THIS SERVICE AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S ALL CONTEMPLATED IN THERE. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE AGREEMENT IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST A VISITOR CENTER. AND THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE THE SERVICES THAT ARE EXPECTED IN RETURN. I MEAN, WE'RE PAYING FOR SERVICES, SO WE'LL MAKE THAT CLEAR. LOOKS LIKE YOUR FUNDING STRUCTURE IS ALL HOT FUNDS TO. YOU'D HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE. NO, NO IT'S NOT. I WAS GOING TO ASK BRAD. 5.2 SOURCE OF FUNDS, NO HOT FUNDS. SO WE'RE SAYING HEY JUSTIFIES MUCH HOT FUNDS AS YOU CAN ON THIS. BUT THIS IS A SAYING NO. SO THIS WAS DRAFTED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TO PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE SERVICES. IT HAS TO BE I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT THE BULK OF THE SERVICE IS CONTEMPLATED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, YOU KNOW, TOURISM PROMOTION, RIGHT? DESTINATION MARKETING AND TOURISM PROMOTION. THAT'S THAT THAT PART CAN BE HOT FUND. IT'S TO SOME DEGREE, I DON'T I'M NOT SAYING EVEN 100% OF IT NECESSARILY, BUT BUT CERTAINLY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT COULD BE AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHERS, WE COULD FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MARKETING AND SO FORTH, IF IT'S FOR TOURISM, OVERNIGHT STAYS AND SO FORTH. BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A CHUNK OF IT THAT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS MARKETING THAT'S NOT AT ALL HOT FUND. SO, SO, SO IN ORDER TO HAVE THE FULL, THE DISCRETION TO, FOR THEM, FOR THEM TO ALLOCATE IT HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT, GENERAL FUNDS IS WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED HERE BECAUSE IT GIVES BOTH SIDES THE 
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MOST FLEXIBILITY IN THE USE OF THE FUNDS RIGHT NOW. IF, IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK AND JUSTIFY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH HOT FUNDS, THAT'S FINE. WE'VE WE'VE EXCHANGED A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT THOSE PRIOR EFFORTS. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT OUT HERE, BUT SO SO THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE MAKING THAT DECISION. I'M GOING TO GET WHATEVER THAT INFORMATION IS IN HOT FUNDS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE. I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU ALL AND LET YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. BECAUSE I, I'VE ALREADY BEEN ACCUSED TONIGHT OF BEING LIKE THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT AND I'M NOT THAT SO. SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT'S YOUR DECISION. SO I'LL HAVE TO I'LL HAVE TO ADD IN LANGUAGE ABOUT MAKE IT AS MUCH OF A HOT FUND AS POSSIBLE. IS THAT THE COUNCIL'S WISH? OKAY, MR. HALL, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY ONCE AGAIN THAT THIS AGREEMENT, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IS NOT ABOUT A VISITOR CENTER. THE VISITOR CENTER IS A PIECE OF IT, BUT IT'S BROADER THAN THAT. IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND MR. ZENO JUST GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION OF STRATEGIC GOALS AND PLANS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATES THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND STRATEGIES WOULD TIE CLOSELY WITH THE CHAMBER AND THE CHAMBER BEING PARTNERS IN IMPLEMENTING THOSE, AND THOSE ARE HUGE. WE'VE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THESE STRATEGIC GOALS ARE IMPORTANT, AND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THEY'RE HUGE. AND SO THAT PROVIDES ESSENTIALLY A MECHANISM FOR MR. ZENO AND HIS DEPARTMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMPLISH MORE OVER THE COURSE OF OF THE NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING IN THIS AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT A VISITOR CENTER. IT'S A IT'S AN AGREEMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND AND AGAIN, YES, YES, WE ARE KIND OF APPROACHING THIS BACKWARDS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN YET. BUT THIS DOES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CHAMBER TO CONTINUE WHAT WE SEE AS AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHILE WE GET OUR ACT AND IN ORDER AND, AND DECIDE WHAT OUR STRATEGIC PLANS ARE AND, AND PRIORITIES ARE, AND THEN HOW THE CHAMBER CAN BE A PART OF THAT. OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT IS I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE WAY THAT THIS HAS TO BE DRAFTED AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, WHICH IS IF YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE AS MUCH OF IT HOT FUND ELIGIBLE AS POSSIBLE. THEY PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY THAT I HAVE TO DRAFT THIS IS THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, YOU ARE COMMITTING GENERAL FUNDS, RIGHT. AND SO IT MAY BE ZERO HOT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE ZERO HOT FUNDS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU CONFIRM? WELL, A BUDGET AMENDMENT BE NEEDED. THAT'S A FINANCE QUESTION. I DON'T I MEAN, IT'S 30 IT'S $30,000. SO IT IT MAY JUST BE A NOTIFICATION FROM YOUR CITY MANAGER. RIGHT? IT MAY BE, BUT I DON'T I DON'T I'M NOT CONVERSANT ENOUGH WITH THE PARTICULARS OF YOUR BUDGET TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S POSSIBLE OR IF IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FORMAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW. I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL. IF YOU CAN POINT STAFF IN THE DIRECTION OF WHERE YOU WANT THIS MONEY TO COME FROM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S COMING FROM GENERAL FUND RESERVES. YOU COULD DO RESERVES IS THE EASIEST, HONESTLY, AND YOU'VE GOT IT. AND IT'S A SMALL ENOUGH NUMBER THAT THAT'S FAIRLY EASY, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL. BUT RESERVES WOULD BE THE EASIEST. IF WE ARE PULLING THAT FROM OUR RESERVES. AND WE DO COME BACK AND FIND THAT SOME OF THIS IS HOT FUND ELIGIBLE, HOW DOES THAT TRANSFER GO BACK IN? I MEAN, WE'RE BASICALLY REIMBURSING OURSELVES FROM HOT FUNDS BACK INTO OUR GENERAL REVENUE FUND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO LEGAL HURDLES RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE. YEAH. SO. THAT IS I WAS ALREADY THINKING ABOUT THAT. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH TO SEE ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE PARTICULARS OF THE FINANCES WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF IT IS IF, IF, IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT IT IS A HOT FUND ELIGIBLE EXPENSE, RIGHT OR NOT, WE IF THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S A HOT FUND ELIGIBLE EXPENSE, THEN THEN THEN THE CITY SHOULD BE FINE FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM A 
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REGULATORY AND A IN A YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STATE'S CONCERNED, IF WE CAN PROVE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WAS A WAS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURE, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE OUGHT TO BE ACCOUNTING. 
          BUT I NEED TO SEE IF THERE'S AN AG OPINION ON THAT, BECAUSE I JUST AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I COULDN'T TELL YOU. BUT BUT THAT THAT'S WHY HAVING THAT HIGH LEVEL OF PROOF WOULD BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDS THAT AREN'T FUNGIBLE. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S NOT EVEN JUST IN OUR REGULAR GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSE FUND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT BACK INTO A RESERVE. AND SO THAT IS VERY CONCERNING FOR ME. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD RUN INTO THIS BEFORE WHERE YOU'RE THROWING MONEY BACK INTO A RESERVE AND TRANSFER MONEY OUT, AND THEN IT GETS VERY DICEY AND WE GET AUDITED AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE THEN WE DO WIND UP IN ORANGE JUMPSUITS, RIGHT? SO YEAH. SO, SO YEAH, I WILL, I UNDERSTAND, I, I MEAN, I THINK THE MECHANISM, THE MECHANISM IS YOU'RE PAYING THEM UP FRONT, RIGHT? AND. LET ME THINK, CONTINUE YOUR, LET ME THINK ABOUT IT FOR JUST A SECOND. I HAVE NOT I. WE'RE JUGGLING HERE. I WAS GOING TO LOOK IT UP, BUT IT TAKES ME A LITTLE WHILE TO LOAD THE FILE EFFECTIVELY. WE HAVE GOT IN A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS ADMINISTRATION AND AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO POTENTIALLY SOME AROUND MAYBE EVEN FUNDS AND COUNSEL. 
          BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ALREADY SLATED. AND SO TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE ALREADY BUDGETED, YOU'RE COUNTING, SIR, I BELIEVE THAT COULD ACCOMPLISH POTENTIALLY 10,000 OUT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE. AND I BELIEVE MAYBE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE THE REST OF IT IS 30,000 OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE, PROFESSIONAL, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE. TO THE DEGREE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO OFFSET SOME OF THOSE WITH HOT FUNDS, THAT'S EASILY PUT BACK INTO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUDGET LINE ITEM. WILL THAT SUFFICE? THANK YOU. MR. PRINCE. 
          I WOULD JUST JUST TO MAKE IT A ONE PASS FOR STAFF, I THINK THAT'S GOOD DIRECTION. MAYOR PRO TEM THAT IF THEY CAN FIND 30,000 AND CHANGE WHATEVER IT IS IN EXISTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT THEY BELIEVE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS, THEN USE THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ALSO GIVE THEM DIRECTION. IF THEY CANNOT THEN MAKE UP THE BALANCE OF THAT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE AS A TRANSFER, BECAUSE, AS MR. BENNEFIELD ASSERTED EARLIER, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HISTORY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO UNDERSPEND SOMEWHERE ACROSS OUR BIG BUDGET, AND THAT'S MONEY THAT'S JUST GOING TO FIND ITS WAY BACK INTO THE RESERVE. RIGHT. SO. 
          ULTIMATELY, IF WE IF WE IF WE HAVE MORE REVENUE COMING IN, THEN WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY WILL END UP IN THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT SHOWN AS A TRANSFER IN THE BUDGET, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. IN FACT. SO I THINK FOR STAFF PURPOSES, FIND IT IN EXISTING SERVICES AGREEMENT. IF THEY CAN'T JUST DO A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER, AND THEN THEY WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO US AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH WHICH WE WOULD WE WOULD APPROVE. IT'S PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT IN REALITY. TO MR. ALVAREZ POINT JUST ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF THAT. SO I THINK I'VE GOT I THINK I'VE GOT A WAY TO DO IT, WHICH WOULD BE YOU'RE PAYING THEM UPFRONT OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS, WHEREVER IT COMES FROM. AND THEN IF SUBSEQUENTLY IN, YOU KNOW, POST RECONCILIATION, THEY'RE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE HOT FUNDS, RIGHT? THEN YOU PAY THEM OUT OF HOT FUNDS AND THEY REIMBURSE BACK TO THE CITY OUT OF THEIRS. AND YOU PUT THAT IN GENERAL FUNDS. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CLEANEST, EASIEST WAY TO TRACK THOSE DOLLARS. ISSUING A CHECK, ISSUING A CHECK AND ASKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT. YES, MA'AM. THAT CLEANS UP. AND ACTUALLY COUNCIL OWNS. WE'VE ALSO REMEDIED THAT AS WELL. IT WOULD HAVE JUST MEANT THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO. 
          IF THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT UP, WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSFER IT OUT OF GENERAL REVENUE BACK INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. BUT EITHER WAY, THAT COVERS US. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS. THAT WAY, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND BITE US. AND I'M THINKING AS FAST AS I CAN, I PROMISE. AND JUST FOR THE TIMING OF IT AGAIN. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO QUITE A REWRITE ON THIS CONTRACT. YES, SIR. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR US TO SEE? AND THAT'S YOUR YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT I LIKE TO DO. BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING $30,000, IT'S ALSO BELOW THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY. SO THE CITY MANAGER CAN DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK. I CAN CLEAN IT UP AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR RATIFICATION. 
          RIGHT? SO WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. THE CHAMBER NEEDS TO ALSO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT NEW LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL, I WILL DO THE REWRITE OF THE 
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CONTRACT SINCE IT'S FOR 30,000, CHIEF CAN SIGN IT, YOU KNOW, AS CITY MANAGER AND GET A GUT CHECK AND GET THAT GOING. AND THEN WHEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND YOU WILL YOU CAN RATIFY THAT. IF YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT, YOU CAN RATIFY IT. THEN YOU KNOW THE DOCUMENT, IT'LL BE IN THE PACKET AND EVERYONE WILL SEE IT AND SO FORTH. THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT. OKAY, OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO GET THESE EDITS TONIGHT. I JUST HAVE ONE VERY QUICK COMMENT AND IT MAY HAVE SAVED YOU AN HOUR OF TIME, BUT I HAVE BEEN TEXTING WITH THE ATTORNEY WHO'S GOVERNING THIS HOT TAX. I DID ASK FOR HIM TO CALL BRAD. HE JUST SAID THAT HE HADN'T TALKED TO YOU, BUT HE DID CALL YOU. AND HE SAID, QUICK QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE TO PROVE EXACT HEADS IN BEDS FOR A VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS? AND HOW DO YOU PROVE THIS? AND HE SAID, YES, BUT THERE IS NOT A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE PERSON STAY OVERNIGHT, IT IS ACCEPTABLE. JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT IS THAT IS STRAIGHT FROM HIM. HE'S HAPPY TO COME TALK TO EVERYONE NEXT WEEK. I'M QUICK COMMENT, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. 
          ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YEAH PRINCE I HAD A MOTION AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND. IT IS QUITE A BIT AGO. YEAH. I WAS MAKING SOME COMMENTS AND THE MAYOR SAID IS THAT A MOTION? AND THEN IT WAS SECONDED. SO YEAH. MAYBE RECITE THE RECAP THE MOTION AGAIN. SO THE MOTION IS TO ADJUST THE CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR THREE MONTHS AT 10,177 PER MONTH PAYMENT, ALL OF WHICH MAY COME FROM GENERAL FUND AND, AND THEN MAKE THE STATEMENT TO THE CHAMBER THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO, TO SHOW AS MUCH OF THAT AS BEING HOT FUND ELIGIBLE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE GENERAL FUND STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          AND THEN, YES, DIRECTION TO STAFF TO TO WORK WITH COUNCIL TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN DISCUSSION TO SO THAT THERE'S NOT A GAP FOLLOWING THIS THREE MONTH FUNDING. STILL. SECOND, THAT. ALL RIGHT. MR. BENFIELD, JUST MY FINAL COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, ALLISON, IF THIS WHEN THIS COMES BACK IN JANUARY, IF, AS MISS CHEVERIE POINTED OUT, IF THERE IS NOT A REAL RETURN ON INVESTMENT, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT MOVING FORWARD EITHER. SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE ORDER THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH IS I, I HATE WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. I THINK AMANDA HATES WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. BUT I'M WILLING TO DO IT TO SEE FOR THE SURVIVAL AND THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT COME JANUARY, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE THRESHOLD THAT WE'RE HOPING YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, DO YOUR VERY BEST. MISS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER AND YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO IT. BUT SHOULD THE STRATEGIC MEETING, LIKE MISS VAN NESS AND COUNCILOR OWEN ARE SUGGESTING, SHOULD FIND THAT OVERLAP, THAT VENN DIAGRAM, THAT THING THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING TOWARDS FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF BUT HAVEN'T MOVED ANYWHERE. IF WE COME TO A CONSENSUS AND AN AGREEMENT AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP AND WORK AND INTERACT, AND IF IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE BASED SOLELY OFF OF HOT FUNDS, I THINK WE CAN GET THERE. BUT IF WE CAN'T GET THERE BETWEEN NOW AND THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD, HARD NO FOR ME. SO BUT I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD PEOPLE ON OUR COMMITTEES. AND I DO BELIEVE WITH THE ERIC'S HELP AND MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO TAKE WHAT, WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT AND WHAT. WE CAN COLLABORATE TOGETHER ON AND WORK TOWARDS THAT. MR. HALL, JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT. I THINK WE ALL ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD RETURN ON THE CITY'S INVESTMENT. AND SO CERTAINLY WE WE HAVE THREE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE KIND OF REPORTING UNDER THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES TO TO SEE THE VALUE THAT IS BEING PROVIDED AND WHETHER THAT'S WORTH 10,000 A MONTH OR 5000 A MONTH OR WHATEVER, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO EVALUATE THAT IN RELATION TO OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING. AND SO, SO YES, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO SPEND ANY MONIES THAT ARE NOT PROVIDING A GOOD RETURN ON THAT PARTICULAR INVESTMENT. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL JUST I'M OBVIOUSLY I'M 
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GOING TO BE A NO VOTE. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS GOOD GOVERNMENT AND NOT A GOOD STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THIS IS A BAILOUT WITHOUT ANY RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO I'LL BE A NO. AND WITH THAT, NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. IT IS APPROVED 6 TO 1. ALL RIGHT. I'M ALL RIGHT, IT'S 802. WE'RE BACK. 
          [IX.4. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action regarding the Comprehensive Plan Update as it relates to the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) limited to review and possible addition of commercial designations to the FLUM, and provide direction to staff regarding preparation of the draft in accordance with direction on commercial designations.]
I'M GOING TO CALL UP ACTION ITEM NUMBER NINE FOUR. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLE TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AS IT RELATES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP LIMITED TO REVIEW AND POSSIBLE ADDITION OF COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS TO THE FLUME AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING PREPARATION OF THE DRAFT IN ACCORDANCE WITH DIRECTION ON COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS. MIKE THE GREENS ON. IS IT WORKING THE LIGHTS ON? BUT YEAH, WELL, HOPEFULLY. LISTEN, WHEN I TALK, I SEE THE GREEN GOING ON. YEAH. I'M GOING TO GO WITH MISTER PRINCE ACTUALLY ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS YOUR REQUEST IN THE LAST DISCUSSION THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT COMMERCIAL. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, WE CAN GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN COME BACK FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST SAY THIS. THAT MAYOR PRO TEM PUT A LOT OF CONTENT OUT ON THIS DISCUSSION BOARD. AND THEN BOTH MISTER VENICE AND I COMMENTED ON TO THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A STARTING POINT FOR SOME OF THE DISCUSSION. I, I, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SAY WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO GET OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO HAVE A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND HOW IT'S SHOWN ON THE FLUME, WITHOUT DICTATING THE EXACT SPECIFICS IN TONIGHT'S SESSION. 
          AND ONCE WE DEFINE THAT OBJECTIVE OF WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE, THEN ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO SOME SPECIFIC TAKES ON THE ON THE FLUME. AND I KNOW PLANNING AND ZONING WAS SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU SENT US THE FLUME, WE LOOKED AT IT, WE'RE, WE'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, SO DON'T SEND IT BACK AGAIN. I THINK WHAT WORKS OR COULD WORK HERE IS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. PLEASE LOOK AT THE FLUME FOR COMMERCIAL ONLY TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THESE THESE OBJECTIVES. AND THEN IT'S ENOUGH OF A SPECIFIC ASSIGNMENT THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE IT ON AND HELP US OUT, RATHER THAN US DO IT ON THE FLY TONIGHT. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY OBJECTIVE. AND THEN I DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS. AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN THOSE OF US THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD MAY WANT TO SHARE A SPECIFIC COMMENTS, BUT MAYBE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THAT, UNLESS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO JUMP IN FIRST. I GOT TWO HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. SULLIVAN. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. YOU JUST REMINDED ME WHY I LIKE BEING OVER ON THIS SIDE AND THAT SIDE OF THAT SIDE. AND MISTER PRINCE, WASN'T IT NICE AND FUN TO SAY IT'S YOUR PROBLEM? I REMEMBER DOING THAT. CAN I TAKE THE MIC AND GO OVER TO THE MAP AND POINT AND TALK? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE ONE REQUEST AND THEN TWO SUGGESTIONS DOWN HERE. THE HOTEL. YOU GUYS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THAT NOT THAT LONG AGO. 
          YOU'VE GOT IT DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL. WE COULD COME BACK AND MAKE A PD AMENDMENT REQUEST. 
          I JUST REQUEST THAT YOU LEAVE IT THAT WAY. SO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS AT THE PNC MEETING THAT THAT MADE SENSE. EVEN MISTER ROBERTS, THAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF HIS SAYING ENTITLEMENT SHOULD MATCH THE FLUME DESIGNATION. THIS WAS THE CONTEXT WITH WHICH HE SAID THAT. MAY I ASK JUST TO CLARIFY? YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE SHOW IT AS PD ON THE FLUME, OR THAT WE LEAVE IT AS COMMERCIAL AS SHOWN RIGHT NOW? I'M JUST SAYING, PLEASE LEAVE IT AS COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A PD AMENDMENT IF WE NEED IT. GOTCHA. BECAUSE WE'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FLUME. THE SUGGESTION IS, IS THAT THIS AREA UP HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS ISN'T THE MOST HEAVILY COMMERCIAL. I MEAN, THIS IS OUR INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THIS RIGHT HERE. AND IT'S NOT. AND SO I JUST SUGGEST THAT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE SHOULD BE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WAS GOING TO REQUEST IS OR SUGGEST THIS CORNER DOWN HERE. IT IS ONE OF THE LAST UNDEVELOPED CORNERS AT OUR BIGGEST INTERSECTION IN THE CITY. AND YOU'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION HERE THAT IS DESIGNATED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER. QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THAT HEAVY COMMERCIAL IN HERE. THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS, IS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN HERE. THIS IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S NO DEARTH OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY. SO IF YOU CARVED OFF A LITTLE BIT HERE AND MADE MORE COMMERCIAL, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A HARM. AND THE REASON WHY I'M SUGGESTING IT IS I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT. WE HELD 
          [03:20:05]
A SESSION HERE WHEN I WAS MAYOR AT THE ESD, AND WE HAD THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COME ON AND SO FORTH. AND I WANT I'M GOING TO GIVE BOTH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CREDIT ON THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE SUGGESTED IT. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS INTERSECTION HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED, AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF INGRESS AND EGRESS AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH TXDOT AND WHAT IT WAS EITHER MR. OR MISS HOWARD. THEY SUGGESTED HAVING A BYPASS ROAD BACK HERE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTION FROM THE BACK SIDE. AND MY ONLY FEAR IS, IS IF WITH WITH THIS INTRUDING HERE, YOU MAY NOT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY BACK HERE THAT YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH. AND I THINK JUST THE MORE AREA YOU HAVE THERE DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL GIVES IT A BETTER CHANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR CORNER TO BE DEVELOPED EVENTUALLY INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. 
          THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT TIME, MR. DAVE STEWART. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING THIS FLUME MAP BACK ON THE P AND Z COMMITTEE. IT CAME BACK WITH SIX CATEGORIES, NOT NINE. THE MAPS WERE NOT THE HARRIS STEWART MAP, SO WE LOST REVIEW TIME ON THIS. AND THE COMMERCIAL WAS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS AFTER WE GOT OUR PROTOTYPE MAP BACK. BUT SO WHAT JEAN AND I WERE TRYING TO DO HERE WAS WE IDENTIFIED LARGE AREAS. WE BASICALLY DOUBLED THE COMMERCIAL AREA. AND IT MAY NOT BE TO THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A BROADER VIEWPOINT OF IT. THE CONVERTING HOUSES TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO. ON THE AREA, HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE REASON WE STOPPED WHERE WE STOPPED WAS THE RAVINES. WE JUST SAID EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE RAVINE AND 1431 OUGHT TO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          HE'S RIGHT. IF WE WANT TO RUN COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MING TRAIL, I'D BE GOOD WITH THAT. BUT I NOTICED EVEN ON THIS MAP, THE MAP IN THE PACKET THAT THE CITY PARK AT TURN BACK IS STILL NOT LISTED AS A CITY PARK, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T LISTED THE. 18 ACRES OUT THERE FOR THE PENINSULA AS A PARK YET, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DON'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACK. BUT. I. EVERY. WHATEVER YOU GUYS COME UP WITH ON THE COMMERCIAL, AND HE'S GOT A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON THE COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD CHECK THAT MAP RIGHT THERE FOR THE PENINSULA PARK, BECAUSE I DID ASK THE GIS TO DO THAT. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS FIXED. THE MACARTHUR RIGHT HERE. THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. AND. OH, THEY DID FIX THAT ONE. 
          THIS ONE SHOULDN'T BE GREEN THOUGH. THAT SHOULD. THAT'S THE OTHER. THEY TURNED THE WHOLE PENINSULA GREEN 63 ACRES TO THIS ONE SHOULD STILL BE PD D. OKAY. SO THIS LITTLE AREA DID GO GREEN BECAUSE THERE'S MACARTHUR AND IT'S THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. SO I'LL TURN BACK. 
          NO IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO YOU GOT THIS ONE. THEY MISSED THIS ONE. OKAY. WE'LL WORK WITH GIS ON THAT ONE. THEN THE TURN BACK. BUT GOING WITH WHAT KEVIN'S SAYING, MAYBE YOU WANT TO EXTEND THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MING. YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT BACK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DAVID. YOU SHOULD KEEP THE STREAK AND WALK AROUND WITH THE MIC. YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE CAMERA, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT MIRRORING WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING DOWN THE MAIN CORRIDOR. 
          IT DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SHADOWING. BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION. 
          ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE THROUGH, PROVIDING A GOOD AREA FOR IT TO HAPPEN. I'LL EVEN SAY WE HAVE AREAS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED BEING MIXED USE, AND I DON'T SEE A TON OF IT. I AND WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION OF BUFFER ZONES, SWITCHING FROM RESIDENTIAL OR NOT, WHATEVER DECISION WE DO MAKE IS GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT PROPERTY THINKING IT WAS ONE THING AND NOT THE OTHER. I KNOW PREVIOUSLY AND I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY THIS GOES. I HAVE PERMITS OPEN UP BY THE AIRPORT, 
          [03:25:07]
PLANNING FOR RESIDENTIAL AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DO TOO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT GENUINELY MAKES SENSE FOR THAT TO BE A MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL ZONE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY LITTLE BLIPS THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ACCURATELY ON THIS MAP EITHER. RIGHT AT THE CORNER ON BISON. THAT IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL, SO THAT'S INACCURATE. BUT THAT WHOLE STRIP THERE, RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF TOWN DOES MAKE SENSE FOR SOMETHING MIXED USE. BUT I WOULD HOPE WHATEVER CHANGES WE MAKE, WE MAKE SOME LARGE EFFORT TO LANDOWNERS TO EXPRESS THAT, BECAUSE I WILL NOT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE THERE IF IT ENDS UP BEING COMMERCIAL. BUT I'M GLAD THAT IT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO LOOK AT MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE IT SERIOUSLY IS A LACKING PIECE OF THE FULL PLAN, AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF ISSUES ON THE MAP STILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I WILL. ALL RIGHT. PATRICK GORMAN, I OWN A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS OUT HERE IN LA VISTA. AND SECTION HERE THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT RECENTLY SINCE THE LAST MEETING IS RIGHT. AS WE COME PAST THE LAGO VISTA SIGN ENTERING INTO LAGO VISTA. RIGHT. WE MAKE THAT HARD KIND OF. RIGHT. AND THEN WE SEE ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT ACROSS FROM THE HOLLOWS, THAT LAND IS TECHNICALLY WHAT I BELIEVE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE LAND THAT'S WITHIN THIS ZONE. POSSIBLY. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS LAND IS UNDEVELOPED HERE. 
          IT'S ENTICING. AND IF WE REZONE THAT AS HARD COMMERCIAL, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING IN A DEVELOPER TO PUT THE UTILITIES IN WITHOUT AFFECTING ANY RESIDENTS OR ANYBODY THAT HAS PREVIOUS LAND OR ZONING. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO PUT ANOTHER STREET LIGHT IN THERE, WHICH WOULD SLOW TRAFFIC INTO 1431 AND LOEHMANN'S, WHERE WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR ACCIDENTS. SO AS WELL AS ALL OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEHIND BRONCO AND THE BREWERY, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF THAT IS, I BELIEVE, ZONED RESIDENTIAL. BUT IF WE MADE THAT MISUSE OR MISUSE. SPLIT USE BETWEEN LIKE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, THEN THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO ZONE BECAUSE PEOPLE OWN THOSE LOTS, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY HOMES BACK THERE. THEY'RE USING IT FOR LAKE ACCESS, PO ACCESS, ETC. SO CONVERTING THAT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE MIGHT BE EASIER TO GET APPROVED AND NOT HAVE ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT OWN THOSE LANDS. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING BEHIND BRONCO, DO YOU ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UP, UP THE HILL WHERE THERE'S NO WATER OR ELECTRIC, WHERE THERE'S NO UTILITIES? YEAH. OKAY. COME IN AND OUT THERE. SORRY. I WAS JUST ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH COUNCILOR VAN NESS BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL ENTITY TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE FUNDING REQUIRED, BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BUY OUT THERE TO PULL UTILITIES AND WATER. I REALLY LIKE THAT. SO THANK YOU. AND I HOPE THAT OUR MEMBERS FROM PNC ARE MINDFUL OF THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE ALREADY THERE. RIGHT. BUT THE UTILITIES AREN'T RIGHT. AND THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT PURCHASING SOME OF THOSE LOTS TO BUILD, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AS A RESIDENTIAL OWNER TO PUT THE UTILITIES IN. SO BUT THAT'S PRIME LAND THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYBODY OR HAVE ANY PUSHBACK, I THINK, FROM RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE. I'M COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. MOTION. LET ME FOLLOW ON TO THAT. GRAB THE MIC AND WALK OVER THERE AND TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. YEAH YOU CAN. RIGHT. SO FIRST OF ALL, FROM IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE OF DEFINITIONS, RIGHT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEVEL SET ON THAT. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER. WE HAVE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICE DISTRICT. THOSE ARE THE THREE DISTRICTS RIGHT. AND THOSE NAMES ARE A LITTLE CONFUSING FRANKLY. RIGHT. BUT LET ME GO BACK. SO NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER THAT ACTUALLY IS TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE HIGHER INTENSITY. AND WHEN I READ THIS, I THINK OF THE OH, SHOOT, WHAT'S THE, THE, THE AREA OFF OF MOPAC IN, IN NORTH AUSTIN, THE DOMAIN. THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER IS, YOU KNOW, A DOMAIN KIND OF PLACE OBVIOUSLY SCALED DIFFERENTLY FOR LAGO VISTA THAN IT IS FOR NORTH AUSTIN. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ENTAILED. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE WORDS MIXED USE SHOW UP IN THIS DEFINITION TABLE. SO HOLD THAT THOUGHT. REGIONAL COMMERCIAL 
          [03:30:01]
DISTRICT IS REGIONAL. SERVING. REGIONAL SERVING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. SO YOU KNOW THE TRADITIONAL ONE PEOPLE SAY IS HOME DEPOT KIND OF PLACE. RIGHT. OR AN HEB. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICE DISTRICT. AND THAT'S EMPLOYMENT FOCUS CAMPUS OR CORRIDOR FORM. 
          AND THEN EACH OF THESE HAS A FAR DEFINITION. SO WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL. AND FAR IS ESSENTIALLY THE DENSITY FOR THIS COMMERCIAL STUFF. RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS WHAT FAR STANDS FOR. AND SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT RIGHT, AND I'M NOT A DEVELOPER OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT RIGHT, THE HIGHER THE FAR IS, THE MORE YOU OF FLOOR YOU HAVE PER ACRE, RIGHT. AND SO GOING BACK TO MY DOMAIN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY DOMAIN LIKE PLACE THAT HAS A FAR THE HIGH END OF THE FAR RANGE OF THAT IS 1.0. WHEREAS THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL IS A FAR OF 0.5. AND THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU GOT A LOT MORE PARKING SPACE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. AND THEN THE EMPLOYMENT SERVICE DISTRICT IS THE LOWEST FAR. WHAT I DON'T SEE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPEN AN ART SCHOOL. AND, AND I WAS TALKING TO ROY JAMBO. I SAID, THERE'S A PROPERTY ON DAWN DRIVE THAT IS AVAILABLE ACROSS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND IT WOULD BE PERFECT TO OPEN AN ART SCHOOL IF I COULD. AND WHAT HE TOLD ME WAS, WE NEED MIXED USE, WE NEED A MIXED USE CATEGORY. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT PLACE. WELL, THAT'S NOT A DOMAIN KIND OF MIXED USE. THE ANALOGY IS, AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN TO ROUND ROCK DOWNTOWN, I TALKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PEOPLE IN ROUND ROCK PROBABLY 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO, AND THEY DID A ZONING WHERE THEY DID IT BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND SO THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA HAS A LOT OF OLD HOUSES. AND THEY SAID, HEY, IF YOU CAN RUN A BUSINESS IN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOUSE, THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE A DOCTOR, YOU'RE A LAWYER, YOU'RE A CPA, OR YOU'RE A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, A SMALL MEDICAL CLINIC, IF YOU CAN DO IT IN THAT STRUCTURE, WE'LL ALLOW IT IN OUR ZONING. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE AND BY THE WAY, ROY SAID, WE NEED A MIXED USE CATEGORY. BUT THEN HE NEVER HE NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH AND MADE IT HAPPEN IN THE CITY. I THINK WHAT WE NEED AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE OF DAWN DRIVE MY PERSONAL EXAMPLE A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT THIS NORTH SIDE OF DAWN DRIVE, WHICH IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? I THINK WE NEED AN OVERLAY STRATEGY WHERE WE SAY THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WILL ALLOW EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICE DISTRICT USAGE ON A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IT. RIGHT. AND SO TO ME, NORTH SIDE DAWN DRIVE IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR THAT. I THINK THAT MAYBE TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, MAYBE SOME OF THAT BACK UP HERE ON, ON BRONCO WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE BETTER TO JUST MAKE THAT A, A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT UP THERE OFF OF BRONCO TO THE, TO THE CITIZEN SUGGESTION A MINUTE AGO. BUT BUT I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE SOME OF THESE THOUGHTS, THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT HERE ABOUT MAYBE EXTENDING, EXTENDING DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH IN THIS AREA AND, AND MR. SULLIVAN'S OTHER POINT OF. WHERE WAS IT YOU WERE SAYING UP. YEAH, ALL, ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY, WHICH IS THE WAY IT'S LABELED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE LIKE OUR BROOKSHIRE BROTHERS KIND OF BUILDING. IT'S IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO SAY MAYBE SOME OF THAT SHOULD BE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, AND THEN LOOK TO WHAT AREAS COULD WE HAVE AN OVERLAY OF EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES DISTRICT AT THE BOUNDARIES AT THE EDGE OF SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO TO ME, IF WE IF WE TOOK THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND SENT IT BACK TO P AND Z AND ASKED THEM TO KIND OF FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD STARTING POINT. SO THOSE WERE. OH, YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST POINT, IF WE DO SEND THIS BACK TO P AND Z, I THINK AS A SEPARATE ACTIVITY, WE SHOULD ASK P AND Z TO LOOK AT OUR EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONES BECAUSE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE C ONE, C2C3C, M AND C A AIRPORT AND MARINA ARE THE LAST TWO AND. AND TO ME, THOSE DO NOT MAP ONTO THIS FLUID STRATEGY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO FLESHING OUT WHAT THE FLUME LOOKS LIKE, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR STAFF AND P AND Z TO SAY, OKAY, NOW THAT THAT'S OUR FLUME STRATEGY, WHAT DO WE NEED IN TERMS OF 
          [03:35:01]
COMMERCIAL ZONES AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ADJUST THEM? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, C ONE AND C ONE IS KIND OF CLEAR IN OUR IN OUR ZONING, C2 AND C3 ARE KIND OF I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM. THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT 95% THE SAME. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THEM MAP WELL ONTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES DISTRICT. PAUL. SO ONE MIXED USE. I KNOW WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AND IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL MIXED USE AND THE MIXED USE KIND OF DEFINITIONALLY, THERE WAS KIND OF IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL OR IT COULD BE OFFICES OR SHOPS WITH RESIDENCES ABOVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF 3 TO 4 STORY BUILDING KIND OF THING, NOT HUGE BUILDINGS. AND SO I'M JUST, I WANTED TO ADD THAT THAT WAS KIND OF A CATEGORY OR CONCEPT OF, OF TYPE OF BUILDING THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE. AND WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE IN THAT PLAN? AND WE WERE THINKING THEN, OF COURSE, ALONG 1431 BRONCO LANE WHERE THE MORE OF THE SHOPPING IS SHOPPING DISTRICT, OR IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO WALK, YOU KNOW, LIVE AND BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE STORES AND EVERYTHING. BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S I WOULD LIKE THAT KIND OF FIGURED OUT TOO AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. YEAH. AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THERE IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER IS MEANT TO BE REALLY. RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT COULD BE 2 OR 3 STORIES. IT COULD BE HOUSING ABOVE AND SHOPS BELOW. YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF YOU TOOK ONE TENTH OF THE DOMAIN, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. 
          RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER. I THINK MR. SULLIVAN'S POINT THAT WE HAVE A BOATLOAD OF NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER SHOWN ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW, AND WE PROBABLY NEED A LOT MORE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL UP IN THAT AREA, RATHER THAN ALL BEING NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER. AND THEN TO ME, THERE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODEL OF MIXED USE, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL BORDER LINE BORDER AREAS. MR. I'LL AGREE ON THAT AS WELL. WE KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ROUND ROCK SPECIFICALLY, BUT SINCE I'M WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I TOLD YOU MY FAVORITE DENTIST IS IN A IN AN ANTIQUE VICTORIAN IN ROUND ROCK. SINCE THEN, I'VE BEEN. PEOPLE REACH OUT AND SAID, HEY, WE PUT OUR WEDDING VENUE THERE. 
          WE PROBABLY NEED A DRESS SHOP, WE DO PROMS, WE HAVE HOMECOMING, WE HAVE THIS. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE ALSO NEED MAYBE A CATERING WELL, THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES. THEY'RE WANTING TO RUN OUT OF THEIR HOMES, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING TOWN TO GO RUN THEIR BUSINESSES ELSEWHERE WOULD MAYBE BE INCENTIVIZED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT, KEEP IT LOCAL, AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T GET TOO BIG AND DIDN'T IMPEDE ON THEIR NEIGHBORS TOO MUCH. AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE WHAT BARNARDOS AND CONDOMINIUMS AND STUFF THAT THEY'RE BUILDING OUT THERE THAT WANT YOGA STUDIOS OUT THERE. AND THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S ZONED RIGHT NOW. SO I AGREE, AND I THINK THAT THIS DIRECTION THAT WE SEND BACK TO P AND Z IS VERY HELPFUL. THAT DOWN TO ME WOULD BE PERFECT, BUT THAT RAVINE DOWN IN THERE IS GOING TO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT BUILD UP TO BUILD A ROAD TO FOR THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS, BUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTENDED DOWN. AND YOU SAID SOMETHING THERE, WHICH REMINDED ME, I THINK THAT UP AT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE OF OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IS C A FOR AIRPORT. AND I THINK THE IDEA OF A EMPLOYMENT OF SERVICES DISTRICT OVERLAY ON TOP OF C A MAY BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. SO WE WOULD SAY THE THE KIND OF ALLOWED USES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES DISTRICT COULD BE THE SAME TABLE OF OF USAGES. BUT IF IF IN OUR ORDINANCE WE SAID IT TAKES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT I WANT TO OPEN UP THIS. YOU KNOW, IN MY EXAMPLE, THE ART SCHOOL. AND IF IF THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET ENOUGH PARKING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 STUDENTS IN MY SCHOOL, THAT BUILDING WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT IS AN OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SPECIFIC TO THE BUSINESS, YOU CAN DO SOME EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES KINDS OF THINGS IN AN AIRPORT AND HANGAR WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CONDOMINIUM ON TOP OF IT THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IN A THREE TWO BEDROOM HOUSE, ON A HOUSE, ON A QUARTER ACRE. BUT BOTH COULD HAVE THAT OVERLAY MODEL. MY ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. PRINCE, IS LIKE ON DON DRIVE, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT NO, NO NUISANCE, HOME BASED BUSINESS LAW THAT ALREADY SAYS THAT WE CAN'T BE VERY RESTRICTIVE OF AS LONG AS THERE'S NO MORE THAN A MINIMAL IMPACT. ARE THOSE THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? ARE THERE MORE INVOLVED? YEAH, MORE. MORE BECAUSE AND AGAIN, IN MY EXAMPLE, A SMALL SCHOOL, RIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES OF DAY WHERE YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, BEGINNING OF CLASS AND END OF CLASS. YOU GOT TEN CARS SHOWING UP ALL AT ONCE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING FOR IT. 
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YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE INGRESS EGRESS. IT ABSOLUTELY IS A POTENTIAL NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND SO IT HAS TO BE HANDLED APPROPRIATELY. AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT AT THE BORDERLINE IN CERTAIN AREAS, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. MR. OH, SORRY. I WAS GOING TO USE A MUSIC SCHOOL AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THAT NUISANCE LAW WHERE, WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO OPEN UP THAT. AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY GOT KICKED BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE OPENING UP A MUSIC MUSIC SCHOOL IN THAT. AND SO IT ACTUALLY VIOLATED IT. SO THEY HAD TO USE. MR. BENEFIELD. 
          PATRICK, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA ABOUT COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOLLOWS ON THAT HILLSIDE. I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IF ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW FAR BACK HAVE YOU WENT BACK THERE? AND LIKE, LIKE, HOW FAR BACK ARE YOU RECOMMENDING? LIKE, ARE YOU THINKING THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR OR IS IT LIKE TWO? LET ME SEE THE ROAD HERE. ARE YOU THINKING LIKE TO MOUNTAINSIDE? LIKE, HOW FAR BACK ARE YOU MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT A LAND SURVEY, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, YOU KNOW, JUST SPECULATE RIGHT NOW. BUT WHEN I COME IN, I SEE IT AS SOLVING A COUPLE PROBLEMS. THINGS. WHEN I COME INTO TOWN EVERY DAY, I SEE IT SOLVING A COUPLE PROBLEMS. ONE, THE ACCIDENTS THAT ARE AT 1431 IN LOEHMANN'S, RIGHT? IF WE CAN PUT ANOTHER STOPLIGHT IN THERE, THEN THAT WILL SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN COMING IN, RIGHT? THE NEXT THING IS, IS IT DOESN'T CONTEST ANYTHING THERE. THERE'S A SECTION OF IT THAT COMES KIND OF COMES DOWN INTO A RAVINE THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO LEVEL OUT AND THEN RUN DRAINAGE THROUGH IT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD UP MAYBE NOT A BIG, SUBSTANTIAL COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING BIG ENOUGH TO ATTRACT MAYBE A HOME DEPOT OR AN HEB OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL SHOPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO WAS THERE'S A MASSIVE PIECE OF LAND DOWN HERE CALLED, I BELIEVE IT'S THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE. AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT IT'S PATRIOT POINT. YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE? MY THOUGHTS IN ORDER TO DRIVE TOURISM MIGHT BE A GREAT THING TO REZONE THAT AND PUT A MARINA WITH MIXED MIX LIKE YOU SHOPPING, SO MAYBE NOT HAVE IT ACCESSIBLE SO MUCH AS CAR PARKING, MAYBE FIGURE OUT SOME TYPE OF SHUTTLE SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF WE HAD A MARINA THERE THAT HAD LIKE A SMALL STRIP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20, 30, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE STACKED. COMMERCIAL, SO RESTAURANTS, BOUTIQUES, LIKE A KIND OF LIKE A SMALL DOMAIN, RIGHT? THAT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO COME UP FROM AUSTIN, LAKEWAY, ETCETERA, TAKE THEIR BOATS UP THE RIVER AND STOP, YOU KNOW, INTO THAT MARINA, GET OUT, SHOP, EAT, SPEND MONEY WITHOUT IMPACTING SO MUCH TRAFFIC CONGESTION COMING IN, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE LOSING OUT ON A LOT OF ONE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE LAGO VISTA MORE OF A DESTINATION WHERE FOR BOATERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE LAKEFRONT PRIVATE PARKS AND STUFF, BUT PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY DOCK ON THEM. YOU HAVE CAPTAIN PETE'S, WHICH IS NICE FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP. THEY MAKE IT A DESTINATION. THEY COME UP THERE, THEY GET LUNCH, THEY LISTEN TO LIVE MUSIC, THEY DOCK THEIR BOATS, THEY GET BACK ON THEIR BOATS, THEY HEAD BACK WHEREVER THEY LAUNCH FROM. BUT THAT PIECE OF LAND RIGHT THERE IS A MASSIVE PIECE OF LAND THAT IF WE SET IT TO WHERE IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS CLOSER TO THE SHORELINE AND JUST MADE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT OVER IMPACTING THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT UP KIND OF IN THAT SECTION. SO IT MIGHT BE A NICE WAY TO LOOK AT A DESTINATION FOR LAGO VISTA TO COME UP THE LAKE IN THE BOAT AND SPEND TOURISM MONEY AND ALSO HAVE COMMERCIAL. THAT'S THE PIECE OF LAND. LIKE I THINK IT'S LIKE 16 ACRES OR LIKE 60 SOMETHING 60. YEAH. AND LIKE, YEAH, I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THERE OFF PATRIOT. YEAH. I THINK THE PROBLEM THOUGH, IS THAT A LOT OF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT IF THAT EVER HAPPENS AND WE'RE STILL STUCK IN THE CAPMETRO AGREEMENT, WE NEED TO GET THEM DOWN THERE TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE UP TO OUR BUSINESSES. THAT'S A NICE WAY TO LOWER CONGESTION. COMING UP 2031, I KNOW WE JUST EXPANDED THE ROAD, BUT IT'S A WAY TO BRING TRAFFIC UP IN TOURISM, STUCK IN ONE THING. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PAYING FOR ONE MORE, WE'VE GOT TOURISM. THE MORE CARS IT'S GOING TO DRIVE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BASICALLY MAYBE LOOK AT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. COUNCIL PROPERTIES, I WOULD SAY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY A THIRD TO HALF OF THAT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. YEAH. A LOT OF IT IS. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OPEN TO MOTION. SO MR. STEWART. OKAY. SO I THINK OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I TOLD YOU WHEN I 
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FIRST TALKED TO YOU THAT WE NEVER, AS A COMMITTEE HAD A CHANCE TO DO JUSTICE TO THE COMMERCIAL. SO WE JUST MADE STUFF COMMERCIAL. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK IS TWO THINGS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THAT MAP SO WE COULD MARK IT UP AND THEN TRY TO LIMIT WHAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO REDO TO THE COMMERCIAL. BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, IF YOU COULD PUT A LIST TOGETHER OF THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES THAT YOU GUYS WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THIS MAP, AND WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN, BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL THESE COMMERCIAL THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IF YOU COULD TELL US, WE WANT TO SEE COMMERCIAL PATTERNS. AND LIKE MR. FRANK SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ON THE MAP AS MUCH. SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE A BACKLOG IN PNC RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN MONTHS SINCE YOU'VE HAD A MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR IF WE SEND THIS TO YOU. I MEAN, HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BE WAITING FOR IT TO COME BACK? I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL. I MEAN, IF I GET THAT MAP AND I GET TOGETHER WITH JANE, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THIS THING READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF THE MAP. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU WANT, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND FIX THAT. THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT. THE OTHER PART, A LITTLE MORE HOUSEKEEPING, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BACKLOG IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE WHAT, TWO, THREE MONTHS? YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID THIS BEING DELAYED AND KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR A WHILE. IF WE COULD DO IT WITH STAFF AND COUNSEL, AND MAYBE AT MOST MAYBE WE HAVE A JOINT AGENDA ITEM ON A COUNCIL MEETING AND PNC COULD BE THERE. WHAT'S LEFT OF Y'ALL. YEAH. THEN MAYBE THAT CAN FAST TRACK THIS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT FOR IT TO GO DOWN TO YOU GUYS. WELL, THIS IS GOING BACK TO WHERE I THOUGHT WE WERE AT BEFORE, WHERE THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO. DRESS IT UP AND WAS GOING BACK TO P OF Z. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SENDING IT BACK TO P OF Z. BUT IF YOU STILL GIVE ME A MAP, I'LL MARK UP WHAT I SEE AND I'LL GET A KEY GUY AND YOU GET A STAFFER, WHATEVER. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE THIS THING FORWARD. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I WANT TO SEE THIS THING DONE TOO, SO WE CAN GET ON THAT IMPACT FEE STUDY, BECAUSE WITHOUT THIS, WE CAN'T START THE IMPACT FEES. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. JUST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, DAVE. SO THIS, THIS TABLE OF, OF PLACE TYPES, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT JORDAN PUBLISHED AND PNC LOOKED AT NUMEROUS TIMES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SUGGESTING WE CHANGE THAT. THERE ARE THERE ARE THREE COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES HERE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES DISTRICT. THOSE ARE THE THREE CATEGORIES ON THE MAP. AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THERE WERE A FEW PLACES WHERE WE SAID IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIGGER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A FEW PLACES WHERE WE SAID, INSTEAD OF BEING PINK, WE THINK IT SHOULD BE RED. YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY, IT SHOULD BE REGIONAL, COMMERCIAL. AND AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT WAS, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PLACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO AN OVERLAY WHERE IT'S ALLOWABLE TO DO EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES IN THESE EXISTING AREAS THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE ZONED RESIDENTIAL NOW, OR MAYBE ZONED AIRPORT FOR JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE REALLY THE, THE SMALL TWEAKS THAT WERE DISCUSSED HERE. AND THEN AND THEN THE, ARE THERE SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE EXISTING KIND OF ARCHITECTURE OF THAT AREA? OKAY. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANY OF THE NAMES ON THE CATEGORIES. AND I MEAN, IF THEY'RE CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU, THE ONE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT. R-1 IS GREATER THAN THREE ACRES AND R-3 NO. SO YOU'RE GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL STUFF. WE VOTED ON THAT AND WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO VISIT THAT AGAIN. SO YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS IS JUST JUST THE COMMERCIAL STUFF. NOTHING ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. DO THE OVERLAYS. IF WE ADJUST THE AREAS. YEAH. YEAH. WELL LET'S JUST DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF SENDING IT BACK TO PNC YET. 
          SO LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO. NONE OF US ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS. THERE'S ONE RIGHT OVER THERE. AND SO WE 
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WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH FOR THE CITY. AND IN A BIG WAY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE'RE TARGET ZONES, ETC. LIKE THAT. YOU ADD TO THAT THAT WE DO HAVE SOME COMPLEXITIES IN TERMS OF WHEN I STARTED TRYING TO MESS WITH THIS EFFECTIVELY, I NEEDED TO GET TO THE TCAD PARCEL ZONE KIND OF LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS. I'VE PUT TOGETHER MORE OR LESS A MOTION. 
          I'M OPEN FOR IT TO BE MOVING, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT POTENTIALLY THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY GO BACK TO STAFF. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. GET THAT TOGETHER BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR VIDEO. THEN IT COMES INTO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING, YOU KNOW, HOW ALL THAT FITS TOGETHER AND THEN INVITE PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS TO THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD BE IN MY MIND. WE WOULD BE THROUGH WITH THIS END OF NOVEMBER, 1ST OF DECEMBER. ALL RIGHT. BASED ON THAT PROCESS THAT I JUST STATED. SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE AND WE CAN MAKE THIS A MOTION OR NOT, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. I MOVE THAT I'M SORRY. I'M HAPPY FOR IT TO BE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL REFER THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BACK TO STAFF FOR FURTHER EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, EXPRESSLY LIMITING THE SCOPE OF THAT REVIEW TO COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL RELATED MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. THE REVIEW SHOULD INCLUDE, AND I'VE GOT SIX ITEMS HERE IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COORDINATED COMMERCIAL CENTERS RATHER THAN DISCONNECTED, DISCONNECTED COMMERCIAL STRIPS. ERIC TAM, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, SO AS I AS I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S WRITTEN, I'LL BE GETTING IT TO YOU EVALUATING THE ACTUAL DEVELOPABLE COMMERCIAL ACREAGE. I MEAN, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. I RAN A, A BIT OF IT CONSIDERING TOPOGRAPHY, ROAD ACCESS, UTILITY AND DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, DETERMINING THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE BEST SUITED FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT, RETAIL, BASED ON WHAT COUNCILOR PRINCE WAS SAYING, IDENTIFYING APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS AND BUFFERING TO PROTECT ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THIS IS DEVELOPED, BY THE WAY, OFF OF THE OUR BOARD DISCUSSION, REVIEWING WHETHER EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONE CLASSIFICATIONS ADEQUATELY SUPPORT. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT DOES. MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO ADD THE OVERLAYS AND THEN FURTHER EVALUATING THE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITY AREAS, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL CONSOLIDATION OF THE NORTH SIDE DON DRIVE AREA WITH THAT OVERLAY FOR HOMES TO BE USED AS BUSINESS EMPLOYMENT SERVICES. 
          SO THOSE SIX ITEMS, THIS REFERRAL IS EXPRESSLY LIMITED TO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF THE PLUME. AND SO IF IF STAFF HAS A TIME TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BRING IT TO US AT OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING, AND THEN WE CAN FINISH UP, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ADDITIONAL MEETING IF NEED BE AND INVITE PLANNING AND ZONING. THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. SORRY, IT'S DETAILED MOTION FROM THE MAYOR. PRO TEM, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR VANASSE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE JUST WASTED AN ENTIRE HOUR OF OUR TIME. AND WE COULD HAVE WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING AND JUST SAID, HEY, STAFF, GO FIGURE IT OUT AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ZONES. WE'VE HEARD SUGGESTIONS FROM CITIZENS, WHY DON'T WE COME TO CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND SAY, HEY, DO WE AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL? DO WE AGREE THIS SHOULD BE MIXED USE? DO WE AGREE ON THIS AND THAT? THEN SEND THAT BACK TO TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OVERALL MEETS THE. BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER FIVE HOUR DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, LET'S COME TO SOME CONSENSUS TONIGHT ON WHAT WE LIKE. AND THEN IF THERE IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE TONIGHT SAYING WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THAT, THEN THEY CAN SAY, THIS IS WHY. AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT LITTLE TWEAK. BUT LET'S, LET'S GET SOME CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE WANT, JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE RESIDENTIAL. LET'S FIND SOME CONSENSUS ON THE COMMERCIAL BEFORE WE SEND IT TO STAFF SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME DIRECTION TO HELP SPEED THAT UP. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR ANY RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT THAT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT, SO DOES ANYBODY DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE SUPPORT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HEARD HERE TONIGHT? WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE ITEMIZE THOSE. YOU KNOW, DAVE STEWART MENTIONED SOME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TURN BACK. WE HEARD KEVIN TALK ABOUT THE THE RED. REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT UP ON UP ALONG. 1431. WE HEARD PATRICK TALK ABOUT, 
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YOU KNOW, YEAH, ACROSS FROM HOLLOWS BEING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL OVERLAY ON DAWN DRIVE. I'M GOOD WITH ALL THAT. YEAH, I THINK SO. PERFECT. IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT AMENDMENT. 
          I AM THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS OPEN TO THAT COUNCILOR. OKAY, SO THAT'S WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION THEN ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDED MOTION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ACTION 
          [IX.1. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action on Ordinance No. 26-10-15-01; Recommendation from the Building and Standards Commission for the updates to Chapter 3.12 of the Building Regulations regarding Property Maintenance, Substandard And Dangerous Buildings And Structures.]
ITEM NINE ONE CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO SIX DASH TEN DASH 15-01. RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR THE UPDATES TO CHAPTER 3.12 OF THE BUILDING REGULATIONS REGARDING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, SUBSTANDARD OR DANGEROUS BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES, I THINK. TAM, ARE YOU HERE FOR THE TO BE THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOR THAT? IS IT ON? IT WAS OFF. THE BETTORS ARE OUT. ROBERT. YEAH THEY'RE OUT. OH THEY'RE OUT. THERE YOU GO. IS IT ON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THIS ORDINANCE IS TO AMEND CHAPTER THREE, ARTICLE 3.12 TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATING TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS AND DANGEROUS STRUCTURES. THE PURPOSE IS TO UPDATE AND CLARIFY THE CITY'S REGULATION FOR ADDRESSING UNSAFE, DETERIORATING AND DANGEROUS BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE INCLUDES THE ADOPTION OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CODE, MAINTENANCE CODE, AMENDMENTS AND UPDATES TO THE CITY'S PROCEDURES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 214 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THE AMENDMENTS ADDRESS DEFINITION AND STANDARD FOR DANGEROUS AND SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS IT AUTHORIZED TO CONDUCT INSPECTIONS AND INVESTIGATE UNSAFE CONDITIONS. IT PROVIDES PROCEDURE FOR NOTIFYING PROPERTY OWNERS AND CONDUCTING HEARINGS. IT AUTHORIZED IT. IT GIVES AUTHORITY TO AND PROCEDURE FOR THE BSC, AND IT ENFORCES. IT PROVIDES ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, APPEALS AND PENALTIES, AND THE RECOVERY OF CERTAIN COSTS. THE UPDATES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLEARER PROCEDURE FOR ADDRESSING UNSAFE PROPERTIES WHILE PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH. THE HEALTH AND SAFETY. THE BSC REVIEW AND PROPOSED THE AMENDMENT ON THEIR JUNE 3RD MEETING AND IT WAS. IT WAS APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED TO BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TAM? MR. TAM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I POSTED THIS RIGHT AFTER THE BSC MEETING BACK IN JUNE. AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST PRESENTATION WE'VE HAD SINCE THEN BECAUSE WE'VE HAD JORDAN AND ALL THIS COMING, YOU KNOW, COME AND GONE AND BEEN SOME ISSUES. AND DWAYNE ACTUALLY HAD A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION OF BUILDINGS SHOWING THE EXACT REASON WHY THIS NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED AND FOR ENFORCEMENT, REALLY, IT'S ALSO A METHOD FOR US TO STANDARDIZE OURSELVES AMONGST OTHER CITIES, BUT IT ALSO PUTS PRESSURE ON US ONCE WE DO ADOPT THIS, BECAUSE ONCE WE DO ADOPT THIS, IF WE ADOPT IT TONIGHT AS THEY RECOMMEND, AND WHICH I'M GOING TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT ONCE WE HAVE DEEMED A BUILDING 
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UNSAFE AND WE HAVE GIVEN ALL THE LEGAL NOTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO GET THEM TO COMPLY. ONCE WE CONDEMN IT, WE HAVE WITHIN A VERY SHORT WINDOW TO REMEDY OURSELVES BECAUSE THEN IF WE DO NOT, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION OF LAW. SO WITH THAT COMES MONEY. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE GO TO CONDEMN ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS, BECAUSE IT DOES COME DOWN TO WHO HAS THE FIRST RIGHT OF LIEN, WHO HAS LIENS AGAINST THIS PREVIOUSLY, WHO HAS LIENS THAT SUPERSEDE ANY LIEN THAT WE PUT AGAINST IT. SO ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS, WHICH THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. I LOVED YOUR PRESENTATION BACK THEN. 
          THERE'S VERY SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUES OUT THERE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET MULTIPLE BIDS ON SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO CLEAN UP. I HAD ASKED FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN WITH THE BUDGET, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, LAUGHED AT ME AND LEFT ME HIGH AND DRY ON THAT ONE. AND SO IT KIND OF JUST SAT THERE AND DIDN'T GET ROLLED IN. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE ADOPTION OF THIS. I KNOW THAT FRANK AND EVERYBODY ON THE PSC PUT A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT INTO IT. JUST KNOW THAT ONCE WE START ACTUALLY FOLLOWING OUR OWN ORDINANCES AND DOING THIS LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, IT IS IT WILL COME WITH A COST. THE GOOD THING IS, IS WE CAN PUT A LIEN AGAINST IT ONCE WE HAVE A LIEN AGAINST IT. IF IT'S NOT PAID, WE CAN SELL IT. SO AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE COST ON THAT. AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE PROPERTY IN THE PO, RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM. TAM, CAN YOU TELL ME DID WE HAVE WAS WAS IT JORDAN THAT LOOKED OVER THIS INFORMATION? DID WE HAVE ANYBODY, A PLANNER OR ANYBODY LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE? OR ARE YOU ARE YOU CONFIDENT IN WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. IT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK. WELL, THIS WAS REVIEW THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY FRANK ROBINSON. SO HE WAS THE ONE WHO WHO LOOKED AT THIS AND. BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEND IT TO A PLANNER. OKAY. NO, I THINK ACTUALLY JORDAN DID LOOK AT THIS. SHE PREPARED ALL THIS BEFORE SHE LEFT. OKAY. I SEE FRANK IS ONLINE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND THING THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY IS THAT I DID MAKE SURE THAT OUR LIST OF UNFUNDED MANDATES, ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE IS AN A. THAT THERE CAN BE SAVINGS. THERE'S OTHERS THAT FEEL THAT THERE CAN BE SAVINGS FOUND. IT WAS 250,000. THANK YOU. I MADE SURE THAT THAT GOT IN AS ONE TO BE TARGETED ON OUR LIST. THANK YOU, MISS VANESSA. SO THIS BRINGS UP A, I GUESS, A QUESTION. AND I'VE BEEN REMISS BECAUSE I HAD I HAD EMAILED THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS AND, AND MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN, THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC PROJECT, LIKE WE HAD SAID AT THE OUTSET OF THAT, THAT WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ORDINANCE CHANGES WE'D MAKE UNTIL WE GOT THROUGH THAT PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY, THAT THING HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD. SO I'M JUST BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S NEEDED RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I MAY BRING IT SUGGESTS AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN AN UPCOMING MEETING, WE HAD A CHARTER AND A PROJECT AND THAT THINGS OBVIOUSLY GROUND TO A HALT. SO I THINK WE MAY WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RESOURCE ON BOARD TO JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT WON'T BE AN ACTION ITEM, BUT MORE OF A DISCUSSION ON WHEN DO WE WANT TO CUE THAT UP AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TIMING TO INITIATE THAT PROJECT AGAIN. SO I'LL BRING IT UP. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU AS AN AGENDA ITEM. I DID ASK CHIEF THAT WHEN WE BRING ON FREESE AND NICHOLS IN THAT ROLE TO ASK THEM ABOUT THE UDC, KIND OF SHOW THEM WHERE WE LEFT OFF. WHERE WE LEFT OFF WAS WE GOT TO ARTICLE FIVE. IT'S POSTED ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, THE COMMITTEE, INITIAL COMMENTS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. THEY DID NOT LIKE WHAT THEY SAW. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THINGS HAVE FIZZLED OUT. SO IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THEIR INPUT ON WHERE ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, HAPPY TO PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA ITEM. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS WORKED ON A A WHILE BACK, AND SO IT MIGHT JUST BE LATE. BUT WHEN I'M READING OUR CURRENT CODE OF ORDINANCES AND I'M READING THE PROPOSED CHANGES HERE, WE HAD ALREADY ADOPTED THE 2024 IPMC IN A MAY ORDINANCE. AND SO THIS IS SHOWING THAT WE'RE ADOPTING IT NOW. BUT WE ALREADY DID IT. SO DOES IT MATTER? HAVE WE DONE A LEGAL CROSSOVER THAT WE'RE NOT UNDOING ANYTHING THAT WE APPROVED IN THE MAY ORDINANCE? IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED THE 2024 ON THE MAINTENANCE. THE OTHER ONES WE HAVE NOT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REDUNDANCY ON THE 24 MAINTENANCE. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THIS WENT THROUGH A LONG PROCESS, THAT IT WAS STILL MAKING CHANGES TO THE MOST CURRENT ORDINANCES. AND SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF MORE LIKE LINE BY LINE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. 
          [04:05:08]
SO THEN ON THE ON PAGE 30, SUBSECTION THREE, IT REFERENCES THE 2021 IPMC. AND MY QUESTION WAS, WAS THAT INTENTIONAL OR SHOULD IT BE UPDATED TO CITE THE 2024? THE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE GOES, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S EVEN IN HERE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ALREADY HAVE ADOPTED THE 2024 SO WE COULD POSSIBLY NOT HAVE TO REFERENCE IT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. I GUESS I'LL GO BACK TO MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION OF. WHO ELSE REVIEWED THIS. I THINK IT COULD BE GOOD FOR BRAD TO REVIEW WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES IN IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US YET. OKAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER. AND IF I IF I SENT IT TO ONE OF MY ASSOCIATES OR NOT, I DON'T RECALL REVIEWING IT MYSELF BECAUSE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD PROBABLY SEND TO YOU. ONE OF THEM TOO, IS THAT SECTION 3.1206, SUBSECTION C HAS CODE ENFORCEMENT REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CHAIRMAN OF BSC ABOUT AN ABANDONED BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY THE BEST PROCESS THAT WE MAY WANT. 
          I WOULD I WOULD ASK THAT THAT AT LEAST BE CHANGED TO TO THE STAFF LIAISON TO BSC SO THAT YOUR STAFF TO STAFF INSTEAD OF STAFF TO CITIZEN VOLUNTEER. SECTION 3.1206 E REMOVED INCLUDING RECORDS OF THE CITY SECRETARY LANGUAGE. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S WISE TO REMOVE HAVING THE RECORDS KEPT WITH THE CITY SECRETARY. I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE WE KEEP OUR RECORDS. 3.1206 SUBSECTION F AGAIN LEANS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO MAKE THE FINAL CALL, AND IT DELETED LANGUAGE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL TO MAKE THE UNDERLYING DETERMINATION. THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOUR INPUT ON. MAYBE MORE STYLISTIC. BUT IN PARTS OF THIS CODE CURRENTLY, IT ALWAYS SAYS CITY ADMINISTRATOR OR CITY MANAGER AS APPLICABLE. BUT THEN THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT, IT STARTS DELETING CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND JUST PUTTING CITY MANAGER ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS CITY. IT JUST STARTS SAYING CITY MANAGER. I KIND OF LIKE THAT TO STAY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT AND UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AGAIN, JUST THROUGHOUT, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WE REMOVE A LOT OF ANYWHERE WHERE REQUIRED A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL AND JUST SIMPLY LEANS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEST PRACTICE. THIS WASN'T BEING CHANGED IN THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE DAILY CITATIONS. ON JUNE 5TH, LAST YEAR, WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT KIND OF LIMITED WHERE WE COULD DO DAILY CITATIONS FOR THE SAME INFRACTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CODE IS CONGRUENT WITH THAT, AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE ORDINANCE THAT CITED THAT. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE STILL FOLLOWING SOME OF THE WRITTEN NOTICE AND REASONABLE CORRECTION PERIOD LAWS. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WEREN'T ALIGNING WITH STATE LAW. AND THEN IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE, WHEN WE ALREADY CHANGED THIS SECTION AND WE DID THE 2024, IT SAID IPMC PREVAILS, EXCEPT WHERE EXISTING CITY PROVISIONS ESTABLISH A HIGHER OR MORE RESTRICTIVE STANDARD. WE JUST SAID THAT IN MAY, BUT THIS ONE NOW SAYS THAT ARTICLE 3.12 PREVAILS OVER THE IPMC. AND THEN CHAPTER 214 OF THE TEXAS STATUTE PREVAILS OVER THE ARTICLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE WERE INTENTIONAL AND WHICH ONE WE ACTUALLY WANTED. THOSE ARE MY MY NOTES AND I HAVEN'T WRITTEN OUT. AND I CAN SEND THEM TO Y'ALL AND BRAD AND I CAN PUT THEM ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. MR. YEAH. I WOULD ACTUALLY SEE IF FRANK IS ONLINE BECAUSE I THINK THE LOGIC BEHIND KEEPING THE MAINTENANCE ON HERE WAS BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN BRANCHED OUT, AND THAT WAS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF CHARLES WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO RUSH ACCEPTING THE MAINTENANCE ONE IN. AND THEN THIS ONE, AND I THINK FRANK FRANK'S LOGIC WAS IT NEEDS TO ALL BE TOGETHER AS ONE, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING NOT TO PIECEMEAL IT OUT UNTIL WE GOT TO UDC. SO I DO AGREE ON THAT. THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ON THERE ON THE LANGUAGE, BUT AS A WHOLE I FELT LIKE IT. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT TO LEGAL TO BEGIN WITH TO, TO KIND OF LIKE ROLL THAT OUT. BUT IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT FRANK SENT FORWARD. I DIDN'T GET TO BRIEF THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE IT WAS PUT IN HERE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE LIAISON PROCESS. BUT OTHERWISE, I, I DO WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND THE LOGIC BEHIND THE DAILY INFRACTIONS WAS BECAUSE. IT'S MY ASSUMPTION, AND I HOPE FRANK WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THESE WERE TO FALL IN LINE WITH REGULAR STATE LAW, BECAUSE STATE LAW DOES ALLOW DAILY DAILY INFRACTIONS, AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE GIVEN WHERE WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM A TIME TO REMEDY WITH WITH NO DAILY CITATION AMOUNT, AND 
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THEN ONCE THEY HAVE FAILED TO FOLLOW THAT, THAT IS A PUNITIVE SITUATION. AND IF THEY CANNOT COMPLY, THAT I MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY A METHOD OF ACTION. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY US OF THEIR INTENTION NOT TO COMPLY, AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY STOP THAT DAILY INFRACTION BY SAYING, I CAN'T DO THIS, I WILL FORFEIT THIS. I WILL SIGN MY LIEN OVER TO YOU. I WILL SIGN WHATEVER. I CAN'T DO IT. AND THAT WILL STOP THOSE FINES. GOING THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL PROCESS IS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS FROM BASICALLY BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ALL THIS THROUGH. BUT SINCE FRANK IS ONLINE, I WOULD HOPE HE WOULD RESPOND AND CLARIFY THAT OR VERIFY WHAT I'M SAYING. OR, DWAYNE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON THAT I DO REMEMBER FRANK AND I SPOKE LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE, AND I ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT THAT IS THE REASON THAT THE 2024 IS IN THAT LANGUAGE IS BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMETHING WAY OVER HERE AND SOMETHING WAY OVER THERE, JUST BRING EVERYTHING INTO ONE SECTION. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST IN THERE FOR EASE. YEAH, I SEE FRANK'S TURN, HIS MIC ON. YOU JUST HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK. I AGREE WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS POINTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SEE, MY ASS IS JUST THAT WE SEND THIS TO LEGAL. AND ANYBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS FOR THOSE ALONG. I HAD TWO TWO THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME. YOU MENTIONED ONE OF THE THE DAILY FINES AND ALSO STRUCK ME THAT IT SAYS FINE BETWEEN $1 AND $2000. SO TO ME, IT RAISED A RED FLAG OF $2,000 AND DAILY FINES, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOUGHT WENT INTO THAT AND WHETHER THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE UPPER NUMBER. RIGHT. BUT $2,000 PER DAY IN DAILY FINES IS SEEMS EXCESSIVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS. I WANT TO USE SARAH AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THIS IS WAS FACTORED INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THIS TO SARAH HAD BEEN PUT ON NOTICE FOR WILDFIRE HAZARD MITIGATION OUT THERE. AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. THEY HAD ALL THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEY JUST DID NOT OR DID NOT WANT TO. AND IT CAME DOWN TO US HAVING TO GO IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE MUNICIPAL EFFORT. AND FOR SOMETHING OF THAT EGREGIOUS, ESPECIALLY FOR WILD, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THESE FINES NEED TO BE ON A TIERED SCALE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S LETTING THEIR GRASS GET TOO HIGH. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME AS, YOU KNOW, BARRELS OF OIL THAT'S OPEN UP AND OR A REBAR STICKING OUT OF THE GRASS. 
          THAT'S A DANGER TO KIDS. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR THAT INSTANCE, WE'RE TALKING IT'S ONE CITATION, BUT IT COVERS ACRES, ACRES OF LAND. AND SO $2,000 A DAY FOR SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE IS VERY MUCH JUSTIFIED. AND SO I THINK THAT THE LEEWAY ON THAT WAS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO STAFF ON OR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL TO FALL IN LINE WITH STATE LAW AS TO THAT. SO MANY, MANY CITIES ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, $100 A DAY FOR THIS, $500 A DAY FOR THIS $1,000 AND UP TO UP TO 2000. I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY STATE LAW, THAT IT CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN 2000 PER DAY. AND I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WITH LEGAL. BUT I THINK THAT IS THE MAX CAP. SO FOR FOR CLASS C MISDEMEANORS, DEPENDING UPON THE NATURE OF THE MISDEMEANOR, YOU EITHER HAVE A MAXIMUM FINE OF 500 UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES OR UP TO 2000 FOR A CLASSIFICATION OF OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. VIOLATIONS. 
          AND THOSE CATEGORIES ARE SET BY STATE LAW, WHICH I RECOMMEND THAT YOU SAY THAT IN YOUR ORDINANCES YOU ALWAYS SAY UP TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY STATE LAW, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE. 
          NOBODY IN THIS ROOM IS SETTING THOSE. THAT IS, WHEN YOU'VE GONE TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE. 
          THE JUDGE IS SETTING THOSE. SO YOU'RE ONLY. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE GIVING THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE THE AUTHORITY UNDER STATE LAW THAT THEY HAVE. AND THOSE FINES GET SET. AT THAT STAGE, IF SOMEONE PLEADS NOT GUILTY, HAS A TRIAL AND IS A JUDGED GUILTY. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AGREEING TO SOME KIND OF A PLEA BARGAIN AND THEY'RE AGREEING TO THAT TO PAY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS. SO I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE YOUR JUDGE THE FULL RANGE OF AUTHORITY THAT THEY HAVE UNDER STATE LAW, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT ONE, THAT ONE SHOULD COME OUT WHEN YOU DO THE REVIEW THAT THE MAYOR HAS ALREADY REQUESTED. 
          OKAY. SO GOOD. AND THEN MY OTHER ONE WAS. AND THIS IS SECTION 3.1211 A AND IT'S, YOU 
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KNOW, THE AGGRIEVED PARTY MAY APPEAL WITHIN 30 CALENDAR DAYS AFTER THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED OR DELIVERED. AND I JUST HAD CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAD AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE CITY CITY MAILED SOMETHING TO AN ADDRESS THAT WAS NOT A PLACE I PICKED UP MAIL AND I NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO WORD THAT. YEAH, I THINK BEFORE WE GET INTO TOO MANY MORE OF THESE DETAILS, I, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO REVIEW THIS BECAUSE I, I'VE ALREADY HEARD A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EDIT THROUGH. OKAY. SO I MEAN, THAT WAS ALL I HAD ANYWAY. OKAY. YEAH. FRANK, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU GOTTA TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. I. CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. THAT'S ALL. I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE IT NOTED THAT ONE PERSON AGREED WITH ME TONIGHT. SO YES, PUT IT IN THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR. I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR MAKE A MOTION. WHERE AM I ON THIS? I'M SORRY. ITEM NUMBER. OKAY. FOR AGENDA ITEM NINE ONE AS READ IN THAT WE REFER THIS OVER TO LEGAL FOR CLARIFICATION AND CLEAN UP ON LANGUAGE TO BE SENT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. 
          [IX.5. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action regarding the selection of a candidate for the Texas Municipal League (TML) Region 10 Director election ballot.]
MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE FIVE. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE SELECTION OF A CANDIDATE FOR THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. TML REGION TEN DIRECTOR ELECTION BALLOT. THERE ARE ONLY TWO CANDIDATES JIMMY JENKINS, COUNCIL MEMBER FROM SMITHVILLE, OR NICOLE THOMPSON, THE MAYOR OF LEANDER. AND I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND MOTION FROM ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. MAYOR PRO TEM, I JUST KIND OF JUMPED IN. AND SO I'M GUESSING WE'LL DISCUSS THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF LAGO VISTA CAST ITS VOTE FOR NICOLE THOMPSON, MAYOR LEANDER, TO SERVE AS THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE REGION TEN DIRECTOR FOR THE UPCOMING TWO YEAR TERM AND AUTHORIZE THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIAL TO COMPLETE AND SUBMIT THE CITY'S OFFICIAL BALLOT I MOTION FOR THE MAYOR. PRO TEM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND FOR MR. PRINCE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. BENNEFIELD? I DON'T KNOW, MR. JENKINS, BUT I'VE, YOU KNOW, READ THROUGH SOME OF HIS VOTES. IT IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS A LITTLE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, I SEE THE VALUE IN HAVING SOMEBODY LOCAL FROM LEANDER BEING NEARBY AND SUPPORTING OUR REGIONAL INDIVIDUALS, BUT I'M NOT STRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT IF I HAD TO SUPPORT SOMEBODY THAT FIT MY VALUES BETTER, IT SEEMS LIKE MR. JENKINS FITS THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MR. I'LL JUST SAY I ACTUALLY DO KNOW MR. JENKINS, BUT ONLY IN PASSING. I MET HIM AT THE HAUSCHKA'S. I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE GAS STATION. LITTLE STORE? YEAH. HAUSCHKA'S. YEAH. 
          WE GOT TO TALKING ABOUT GERMAN FOOD BRATS AND CANNED, ALMOST CANNED JELLIES. AND THEN WE GOT INTO POLITICS. SO I, I ACTUALLY REALLY DO LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN. HE REMINDS ME OF MY FATHER AND HE HAS A LOT OF THE SAME VALUES I DO. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WOULD BE VOTING FOR HIM. SO I WILL SAY THAT I AM BIASED JUST FROM THAT MEETING. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY IS APPROVED FIVE TWO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE SIX. CONSIDER, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY 
          [IX.6. Consider, discuss, and possibly take action to ratify the acceptance of Assistant Chief Thomas Franco as Interim Police Chief.]
TAKE ACTION TO RATIFY THE ACCEPTANCE OF ASSISTANT CHIEF THOMAS FRANCO AS INTERIM POLICE CHIEF. AND I HAVE A 30 MINUTE PRESENTATION FROM CHIEF FRANCO. OKAY. I'M KIDDING. ALL RIGHT, CHIEF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY WORDS. OTHERWISE, I'M OPEN TO MOTION FROM COUNCIL DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO JUST SAY THAT CHIEF FRANCO IS A LONG STANDING MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. 28 
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YEAR VETERAN OF LAGO VISTA PD, OVER 30 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL, AND WILL MAKE A FINE INTERIM CHIEF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MAYOR? I WOULD MOVE THAT WE RATIFY THE ACCEPTANCE OF ASSISTANT CHIEF THOMAS FRANCO AS THE INTERIM POLICE CHIEF. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND FOR MR. HALL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY, MISS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL. NOW. I'LL READ IN ITEM 11 ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. ITEM 12 STAFF AND 
          [Items XI. & XII.]
COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. A ROUTINE REPORT FROM CITY STAFF. BE ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, BOARD, COMMISSION, COMMITTEE LIAISONS. AND I WILL START WITH MR. HALL. NO REPORTS. 
          ALL RIGHT, MR. BENEFIELD. NO, SIR. MR. CHAVARRIA, I'M SO SORRY. I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO LAGO VISTA WOMEN'S CLUB IS CONTINUING ON THEIR TRADITION OF SUPPORTING WOMEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR 2026 FALL TURKEY RAFFLE. THEY WANTED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE ABOUT THEIR FIRST, SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH PRIZES. I MEAN, THEY RANGE IN VALUE FROM 250 ALL THE WAY UP TO $1,000, SO EACH MEMBER WILL RECEIVE FIVE RAFFLE TICKETS AND THEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, BE A, I BELIEVE, A TOTAL OF 50 IF ALL FIVE TICKETS ARE SOLD. BUT THERE'S THERE'S SIGNIFICANT WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITH THEM AS WELL AS SHE SENT. CHRISTI TANDY HAS ALREADY LEFT. I WOULD HAVE HAD HAD HER COME UP HERE AND DO THIS. BUT SHE SAID THAT THE. 
          THEIR FALL MONEY MAKER REALLY IS THEIR TURKEY RAFFLE. THEY ALSO WANTED TO SEND A SPECIAL THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST READ THIS IN. IT SAYS A SPECIAL THANK YOU. OUR CLUB HAS A LONG HISTORY OF GENEROSITY AND PHILANTHROPY, PHILANTHROPY AND. OUR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS ARE WHAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE SUPPORT AND ON SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH SCHOLARSHIPS AND GRANTS. EVERY TICKET SOLD HELPS MAKE A DIFFERENCE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION AND YOUR HELP IN MAKING THIS YEAR'S FALL TURKEY RAFFLE A SUCCESS. THEY WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER AT THE NOVEMBER LUNCHEON ON NOVEMBER 10TH. AND THAT MESSAGE COMES FROM RACHEL SUPER FROM WAYS AND MEANS AND SARAH JANE CANTWELL. IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOUR YOUR RAFFLE TICKETS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOG INTO THEIR WEBSITE AND PURCHASE THEM OR REACH OUT TO THEM DIRECTLY FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN. THERE'S ALSO A MIX AND MINGLE GAME NIGHT ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH. I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE HERE. BUT ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT WANT TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I WOULD NOT BLAME YOU. BUT THEY HAVE A MIX AND MINGLE NIGHT AT THE OAKS CLUBHOUSE FROM 530 TO 8 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 5TH. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA NEXT AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 5TH. CLUB. THEY HAVE A. THE GOVERNOR'S AWARD AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A PROCLAMATION. I'LL SEND YOU THE LANGUAGE ON THAT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME AS WELL. AND THAT CAME SPECIFICALLY FROM DAWN BEN AND JANICE DIDIER, OUTGOING ON THAT WILL DO IT. MAYOR PRO TEM, BEAR WITH ME BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE EDC THIS TIME. I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M VERY, VERY ENCOURAGED ABOUT THE ENERGY COMMITMENT AND THE SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY COMING FROM THE EDC AND THE CURRENT MEMBERS. THEY DID HAVE A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE RESIGNED, BUT THAT WAS SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME OTHER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS STEP UP. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. AND BRINGING THAT TO YOU. ONE MESSAGE THAT THEY ASKED ME TO BRING TO YOU IS THAT THE EDC IS NO LONGER SIMPLY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT DEFINITELY IS NOT THAT. IT'S NOW ESTABLISHED CORPORATION WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CHARGED WITH HELPING MAKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN. THEY RECOGNIZE THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING OUR CITY, THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF. TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR. AND SO THEY LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A BIG PART OF THE SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO FUND OUR PARKS, RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, YOUTH ACTIVITIES, AND COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES. SO RATHER THAN SIMPLY LOOKING TO THE CITY, THEN THE EDC IS NOW STEPPING UP. 
          AT THIS MEETING, THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH PURSUING THE 501 C THREE STATUS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT MORE POSSIBLE. AND SO WE ARE MARSHALING RESOURCES RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WHAT IMPRESSED ME THE MOST IS THE BOARD 
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WILLINGNESS TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS WORK. THEY ARE NOT SITTING, SITTING IDLY BY. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO LEAVE WITH THE THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE HAVE A GROUP OF RESIDENTS WILLING TO ROLL UP THE SLEEVES, BRING THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CREATIVITY TO THE TABLE TO HELP TURN COMMUNITY ASPIRATIONS INTO ACHIEVABLE PROJECTS. AND I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD TO BE THE LIAISON OF THAT GROUP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE COMMUNITY EVENTS. ONE IS FITZPATRICK. YOU GOT THE FALL FESTIVAL EVERY WEEKEND FROM NOW UNTIL NOVEMBER 15TH. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, BUT WE CHANGED OURS FROM FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. WE DID IT THURSDAY SO THE ELDERLY COMMUNITY WOULD COME OUT, BUT NOBODY WAS COMING OUT ON THURSDAY. SO. SO FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, WE JUST GOT SOME NEW ATTRACTIONS FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 10 A.M. TO 7 P.M. 10 A.M. TO 7 P.M. UNLIMITED ATTRACTIONS, MINUS, OBVIOUSLY, THE HELICOPTER RIDE AND SOME OF THE VENDORS, WHICH I THINK SETS US APART FROM A LOT OF OTHER FESTIVALS THAT CHARGE PER ATTRACTION. SO $10 PER TRAIN RIDE, $10 FOR THE BOUNCE HOUSE, $10 FOR THE MAZE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST DOING FLAT ENTRY FEE COMMUNITY AND SENIOR DISCOUNTS AND IT'S JUST COMING OUT FUN. 
          ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE 95,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEEN THE EVENT ACROSS THE AUSTIN. 
          AND YOU'RE ACROSS LOCATED ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT ACROSS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO GET OUT TO THE FALL FESTIVAL SATURDAY. THERE'S ANOTHER THE SAFER SCHOOLS FALL FESTIVAL AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, 10 TO 4. NO, NOON TO FOUR. YOU CAN COME DUNK ME IN THE TANK AT 1 P.M. AND YOU CAN DUNK THE POINT VENTURA MAYOR AT 3 P.M. AND THEN LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING. OH, YES. 
          AND I'M GOING TO JOIN IT THE THE OTHER FALL FESTIVAL. YEAH. AND THEN IT'LL HAPPEN. AND THEN SUNDAY WE HAVE THE HOPE CENTER'S BIG EVENT. IT'S WHERE NORTHLAKE CHURCH, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T GO TO SERVICE ON SUNDAY AND INSTEAD DOES A WHOLE DAY OF SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF SIGN UP AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VOLUNTEER ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME, CHIEF. ALL RIGHT. KAREN. SO WE'VE HAD SOME PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS, PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE KIND OF IN THE THEME OF BIKE SAFETY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON COUNCIL. BUT A COUPLE COUPLE THINGS, SPECIFICALLY A POTENTIAL PROJECT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT AND WE STILL NEED TO BUILD OUT DETAILS, BUT IT'LL COME TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT. POTENTIAL COLLABORATION BETWEEN P, RAC, LOCAL CITIZENS, DONORS AND THE EDC. AND IT COULD BE A PILOT, IF YOU WILL, AND PRESENT US OR BECOME A MODEL FOR HOW THOSE COLLABORATIONS CAN GO FORWARD. BUT IT'S AROUND POTENTIAL BIKE PARK ON BONANZA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, WHICH WE HAD SUGGESTED SOME YEARS AGO AS A POTENTIAL PARK. AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE P RAC COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MARLENE HAS CONNECTIONS WITH UT AUSTIN AND HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE GET SOME OF THEIR STUDENTS FROM THEIR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT AND DO A STUDY THAT LOOKS AT BIKE TRAFFIC, WHICH ROADS ARE BIKED MOST HEAVILY, NOT JUST BY THE KIDS, THE POSSE'S, BUT ALSO PEOPLE COMMUTING AND NEEDING THEIR BIKES TO GET TO AND FROM WORK OR SCHOOL. COME OUT AND DO A STUDY THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE FREE TO US FOR THEM TO DO. AND THEN THAT COULD GIVE US SOME IDEAS AROUND WHICH ROADS WE MIGHT WANT TO PRIORITIZE. AND WE HAD SOME OF THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ABOUT POSSIBLY REALIGNING STREETS AND CREATING BIKE LANES. SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD IDEA TO, TO REALLY MAYBE FOCUS IN ON THOSE HEAVILY TRAVELED ARTERIES FIRST. SO SOME OTHER STUFF THEY'RE WORKING ON TOO, BUT I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY ACTIONABLE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO WORK ON NOW AND EVENTUALLY BRING TO COUNCIL. SO ON THE BONANZA PARK ONE, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION I'VE HAD SOMETIMES WHEN WE THINK OF THE, THE, THE FINAL WHERE WE WANT TO GET, IT SLOWS DOWN THE REST OF IT. BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT, DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT, CAN WE JUST GET IN THERE AND CLEAN UP THAT LOT? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN START ACTUALLY HAPPENING PRETTY SOON? OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I'LL DONATE TIME. MY TIME. I KNOW THERE'S PLENTY HERE IN THIS ROOM THAT WILL. MR. PRINCE, TWO THINGS. SO WE DID THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WEEK EARLIER AND JERRY SAID IT IN PASSING, BUT FOR THE MICROPHONE HERE THE. THEY'RE HAVING A BOOK SALE AT THE LIBRARY ON FRIDAY, AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE FRIDAY 9 TO 6 AND SATURDAY 9 TO 1. SO GO BY THE LIBRARY AND BUY A BAG OF BOOKS OR. THERE'S ALSO SILENT AUCTION. AND THE SECOND THING IS, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON ON SATURDAY, ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH IS HAVING THEIR ANNUAL MARKET DAY AND FALL FEST. AND SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE BOOTHS AND VENDORS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, AND A CHILI CONTEST, CHILI COOK OFF CONTEST, AND LOTS OF FUN. SO 10 TO 2 ON SATURDAY AT ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH. ARE YOU ENTERING THE CHILI CONTEST? I AM A JUDGE IN THE CHILI CONTEST. BEST POSITION. CHIEF, YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING. YEAH, I FORGOT TO MENTION TOMORROW OR SATURDAY IS TRASH OFF. SO FROM 7 A.M. TO 
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1 P.M. RIGHT BESIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. VISIT THE WEBSITE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT ALL YOU CAN TAKE AND WHAT YOU CAN'T. ERIC, DID YOU SAY YOU HAD SOME OTHERS? JUST CONFIRM THAT THEY DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE THERE. SO OUR NEXT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE WILL BE NOVEMBER THE 5TH, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER THE 5TH HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FROM 9 TO 10. THE GUEST SPEAKER WILL BE KELLY PEARCY, REFUGE MANAGER, U.S. 
          FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICES. ABOUT COLLINS COUNTY LANDS. AND CHIEF REMIND ME IS WE. MOVIES ON THE GREEN IS STILL SCHEDULED AS OF RIGHT NOW. CORRECT? AND THE CALL IN THE MORNING. MAKE A CALL IN THE MORNING. STILL BY NOON, BUT MOST LIKELY WITH GUSTS OF UP TO 50 MILES AN HOUR, IT'LL BE CANCELED. ALL RIGHT, WELL, MY DESK IS CLEAR, SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING A
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