[I. CALL TO ORDER, CALL OF ROLL]
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          THE WOMEN'S CLUB THE OTHER DAY. ALL RIGHT, SO DO WE. I GUESS WE'LL WE'RE GOING TO GO. WELL, THEN WE'LL MOVE. CITIZENS COMMENTS IN CASE HE CALLS IN. WANT ME TO CALL HIM? NO. NOT YET. OKAY. I DON'T THINK GREG WANTS TO SIT THROUGH ALL THAT. HE'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH IT, SO. NO, IT'S ALL OLD STUFF, BUT I REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT GREG HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT. NO. WELL, I'M GOING TO BRING GREG UP. OKAY. EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FIRST IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FIRST IS I'M GOING TO. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'M GOING 
          [III. STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]
TO SKIP JESSE TOO, AND GO STRAIGHT TO GREG. AND THEN GREG. ANYTHING YOU HAVE FROM CITY STAFF. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR ME? YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET YOU GOING. 
          I'LL DO THAT. I HAVE EVERYTHING IN MY BRAIN. I THINK I HAVE A LOT. SO BEAR WITH ME. PLUS, I'M FIGHTING ALLERGIES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING ALL. IT'S BEEN A MONTH, SO I WILL FIRST GIVE A QUICK REVIEW OF. HOW THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED UP. SO I'LL TRY TO TALK SOMEWHAT SLOWLY SO SUSIE CAN MAKE NOTES. I TRY TO WATCH IT, AND SOMETIMES YOU. I KNOW YOU KNOW ME. I GET ON A ROLL SOMETIMES. SO THIS YEAR, GROSS OR LAST FISCAL YEAR, A MONTH AGO, WE HIT $1,000,050 GROSS REVENUE. SO HITTING A MILLION GROSS REVENUE WITH REALLY NOT A LOT OF WHAT WE NEED EXCEPT FOR THE GREENS. AND OPERATIONS. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S THAT'S A BIG STEP FORWARD. THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS AGO JUST TO BRING IT UP ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE SEVEN 800. DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBERS YOU LOOK AT IN THE RED. AND THIS YEAR WE'RE WE LAST FISCAL YEAR WE ENDED UP 230 ISH. 
          IN THE RED. SO WE'VE SAVED CLOSE TO 600 GRAND THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS. SO HERE WE ARE SITTING NOW. AND I'LL THROW IN TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT TO THE PRIOR YEAR, 2425, WHICH AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT PROGRESSIVELY BETTER THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE DID 885,000 IN GROSS REVENUE. SO THAT MILLION AND SOME CHANGE WAS UP 12% OVER LAST FISCAL YEAR. WE ENDED UP 3% UP IN ROUNDS. EVERY MONTH. WELL THAT'S EASY. I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. EVERY MONTH ON THE LAST QUARTER. WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS, THE FIRST NINE MONTHS, EVERY SINGLE MONTH WAS UP BOTH IN REVENUE AND ROUNDS. SO NINE MONTHS STRAIGHT LAST YEAR WE WERE UP. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAD RAIN ALL SPRING. THAT WAS A HUGE BONUS. OKAY, NOW I'M GOING INTO A MONTH AGO FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE UP. WORD OF MOUTH REPUTATION. YOU KNOW, THE GOLF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PEOPLE THINK SO OR NOT, IT'S LIKE A BIG FRATERNITY, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE. 
          DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE PLAYING AT A $15 GREEN FEE COURSE IN WEST TEXAS ON SAND GREENS, OR IF YOU'RE AT A PLACE LIKE ESCONDIDO WHERE IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED GRAND A JOINT, PEOPLE TALK. SO THEY KNOW THE GOLFING COMMUNITY, KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE GOOD AND KNOW WHEN THEY'RE HURTING. THAT HELPS DRIVE ROUNDS, OBVIOUSLY. THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE GREENS HAVE BEEN THERE THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. OPERATIONS HAS BEEN THERE. WHAT DO WE NEED NEXT? WHAT WE ALL KNOW WE NEED TEE BOXES. WE NEED FAIRWAYS. WE NEED ROUGHS. AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH I'LL TOUCH UPON NOW. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU WERE DOWN YOUR LAST QUARTER. IS THAT WHAT YOU. OH YEAH. YEAH. I'M GOING TO GO INTO CURRENT NOW. OKAY. 
          OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE NUMBERS I'M GIVING YOU, WHICH ARE GOOD NUMBERS, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN TRENDING AND I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO BECAUSE OF AN IRRIGATION PROJECT, BUT HAD THOSE NUMBERS STAYED PRETTY STEADY? WELL, THAT 232 40TH MAY 
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HAVE BEEN BELOW 200 AND ROUNDS RATHER THAN BEING, YOU KNOW, 32,000 ROUNDS AND 3% UP, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 35,000 ROUNDS. AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST A TASTE. I MEAN, THAT'S NOTHING. 
          AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHERE WE ARE, BUT I'M HAPPY WITH WHAT I'M SEEING BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE WE SHOULD BE AND WE CAN BE UP. ALL RIGHT. SO CURRENTLY, I THINK I TOUCHED UPON THIS LAST MEETING. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO REALLY THE BUDGET AND THE REVENUES, WHICH I DIDN'T DO. BUT MY GOAL FOR THIS COMING YEAR, BECAUSE I KNEW I HAD AN IRRIGATION PROJECT, WAS ALWAYS, HEY, I'M GOING TO BE 5% UP OVER THIS LAST YEAR IN GROSS REVENUE. 
          OKAY. AND IN THE RED, I'M GOING TO BE A COUPLE HUNDRED GRAND. OKAY. AND THEN 2728 TO REITERATE, THAT'S BEING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR FROM THE NEW ONE WE JUST STARTED. THAT'S THE YEAR THAT I PROJECTED, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE TO EVEN. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE IN THE BLACK EVERY YEAR. UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE ECONOMY, THE US, THE WORLD, SO ON AND SO FORTH. ACT OF GOD. MY FIRST QUARTER THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WHICH I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT IT SHOULD, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME OUT AND PLAY A BATTLEFIELD IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROJECT. BUT THEN AGAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO COME OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TOO. AND MY BIGGEST QUESTION INSIDE THE GOLF SHOP, WHEN THEY'RE CHECKING IN AND TALKING TO CUSTOMERS GOLFERS IS WHEN YOU GUYS GOING TO BE DONE? WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE DONE? WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE DONE? AND ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ACCEPTED THE CONTRACT AND WE STARTED THE PROJECT, THEY STARTED A LITTLE LATE. THE CONTRACTOR DID AND THEY WERE SAYING 150 DAYS MID-OCTOBER. WELL, I KNEW THERE WAS NO WAY ON THIS PLANET THEY WERE GOING TO FINISH THEN. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF PREACHING, HEY, ANYWHERE FROM DECEMBER 1ST TO JANUARY 1ST, I'M STAYING PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY ON HOLE 11 NOW. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE LATERALS. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH. MY EDUCATED ASSUMPTION RIGHT NOW IS IF WE MAKE IT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THAT WILL BE A MIRACLE. I'M THINKING MORE TOWARDS JANUARY, BUT I'M ALSO SAYING THAT, HEY, IT WILL BE DONE WORST CASE IN JANUARY BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT TIMELINES AND IT BASICALLY TAKES A WEEK TO COMPLETE A HOLE. OBVIOUSLY, PAR FIVES TAKE LONGER THAN THE PAR THREE DOES BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LOT MORE YARDAGE AND A LOT MORE PIPE AND A LOT MORE TRENCHING, A LOT MORE WORK TO DO. SO, YOU KNOW, MOTHER NATURE COOPERATING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME RAIN TOO, SO WHO KNOWS. BUT HEY, IF IT IF IT HAPPENS TO BE IN JANUARY, WHETHER IT'S THE BEGINNING OR THE END, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I MEAN, IT DOES BECAUSE OF MY NUMBERS, BUT IT DOESN'T BECAUSE IRRIGATION WISE, WE REALLY YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY, MARCH IS KIND OF WHERE I START KICKING IN FOR THE SPRING AND THE TRANSITION, AND WE'LL BE READY TO GO FOR THAT. HAD, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD, HAD MID-OCTOBER BEEN THE DATE WE HIT? WELL, THEN SURE, MY FIRST QUARTER WOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE DOWN, BUT CLOSER TO LAST YEAR. BUT THAT CHANGED IN A BIG WAY. SO MY FIRST QUARTER, LIKE RIGHT NOW, I'M THROUGH 27 DAYS. I'M ABOUT 25% DOWN IN ROUNDS AND ABOUT 35% DOWN IN REVENUE. YOU KNOW, WHICH AGAIN. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, BUT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN JULY, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, ENDING LIKE THAT. HAD IT BEEN RAINING, HAD IT BEEN GREEN WHEN THEY WERE DOING THIS PROJECT, NUMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS BAD, BUT WE WERE BROWNED OUT, NO WATER FOR THREE MONTHS, 100 DEGREES PLUS. SO IT WASN'T PRETTY. AND YOU KNOW THE WORD. 
          HEY, DON'T GO PLAY THERE RIGHT NOW. WAIT TILL THEY'RE DONE. SO MY FIRST QUARTER WILL BE DOWN QUITE A BIT. ORIGINALLY I WAS THINKING MY SECOND QUARTER WOULD BE ABOUT EVEN. I'M JUST 
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GOING TO WATCH THAT AS I SEE EACH WEEK WHAT'S GOING ON. I STILL MAY BE CLOSE TO EVEN, BUT I MAY BE DOWN MY SECOND TWO QUARTERS. THE THIRD QUARTER SHOULD BE UP FROM LAST YEAR'S REALLY GOOD THIRD QUARTER, AND THEN MY FOURTH QUARTER SHOULD BLOW THIS FOURTH QUARTER AWAY. 
          WILL THAT PUT ME 5% UP? MAYBE. MAYBE NOT. BUT OUR NUMBERS WILL STILL BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AND ALL WILL BE GOOD. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO THROW A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS, THINGS GOING THE WAY THEY SHOULD GO. AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY THEY WOULDN'T TO WHERE, OKAY, FISCAL YEAR 2728, WE'RE READY. I'M GOING TO THROW A A COUPLE OR A FEW CIP PROJECTS TO COUNSEL. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE. I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND IT SHOULD HAPPEN A RATE INCREASE, MINIMAL, AS YOU ALL HEARD ME TALK ABOUT FOR A YEAR, TO GET UP TO PAR WITH OUR COMPETITION, LIKE HIDDEN FALLS AND MARBLE FALLS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN. 2728 WITH THAT AND THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS THAT I'VE DONE THIS PERFORMER ON, WHICH WILL BE AROUND 40,000, AND WE'RE AT 32 NOW, THAT'LL GET US CLOSE TO EVEN. AND THEN DRIVING FORWARD, WE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE IN THE BLACK. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF HEARD ABOUT THE CITY AND WHERE IT STANDS AND MONEY AND GENERAL FUND AND AND THIS AND THAT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BUDGET AND THINGS CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY AMEND THE REVENUES. I MEAN, I'VE STATED THAT BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME OUT, AND I WILL YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT 170 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. IF WE WEREN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD HAVE COME IN, LIKE I SAID, AROUND A COUPLE HUNDRED, SO IT WON'T BE TOO AWFUL. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I AMEND IT, I KNOW THE COUNCIL IS ALSO LOOKING AT A COUPLE INNOVATIVE, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, ALTERNATIVES TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FUND OR HELP THE COURSE. IN LIEU OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S ALL POSITIVE, ALL GOING THE RIGHT WAY. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE THE UPDATE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW DAVE WELL AND DAVE'S A VERY GOOD, ASTUTE GUY, UNDERSTANDS IRRIGATION. I KNOW JIM CASON WELL, ONE OF MY AVID GOLFERS, SAME THING, UNDERSTANDS IT ALL. YOU KNOW, LONG STORY SHORT. YOU KNOW, WE SAVED I REMEMBER WHEN KEVIN SULLIVAN WAS MAYOR AND HE CALLED ME UP A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO WELL, LONGER THAN THAT, MY GOD, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AND THEY WERE GETTING READY TO APPROVE THE SEAL BOND FOR THE IRRIGATION. THE CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT, GEORGE AND I, WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DESIGN OR INPUT. THERE WAS OTHER PEOPLE IN PLACE OR SOMEONE, A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE IN PLACE. AT THAT TIME. IT WAS ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN IT SHOULD HAVE. SO IT SAVED THE CITY, GIVE OR TAKE AROUND A MILLION. KEVIN CALLED, SAID, GREG, HOW MUCH WATER WOULD WE EVER NEED TO PUT ON THE COURSE? SO ON AND SO FORTH. I, YOU KNOW, TOLD HIM, LET HIM KNOW, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED HIM IN THAT AREA. AND IT'S A GOOD THING IT WAS PUT TO A STOP BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD HAVE COST A LOT MORE MONEY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE MAIN LINE FROM EFFLUENT ON 17 TO OUR IRRIGATION, OUR NEW IRRIGATION POND ON TWO, THAT EVERYTHING THE CONTRACTOR DIAMOND GOLF IS DOING NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL. IT WILL BE FOOLPROOF ON HOLES. WELL, I WON'T SAY THREE THROUGH 18. HERE'S WHAT COULD HAPPEN. THEY'RE NOT THEY WEREN'T CONTRACTED TO TO DO THE MAIN TO PUT A NEW MAIN LINE IN FROM THE 17 OF FLUID PLANT TO NUMBER TWO, THE IRRIGATION POND. WELL, THAT'S 55, 56 YEARS OLD. 
          YOU CAYSON HAD A VERY GOOD DETAILED REPORT. DAVE STEWART WOULD TELL YOU A LOT MORE ANALYTICAL, DETAILED INFO THAN WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT BOTTOM LINE, IF IF THERE'S A BREAK OR A LEAK ANYWHERE FROM THE EFFLUENT. SO HOLE 17, THE DRIVING RANGE, HOLE NUMBER ONE, HOLE NUMBER TWO, TO GET THE WATER TO THE IRRIGATION POND, WELL, WHAT WOULD IT DO? AND 
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AGAIN, HE DEFINES A LOT. BUT BOTTOM LINE TO ME, LET'S SAY IT HAPPENED IN IN I MEAN, IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN SINCE THE DAY I STARTED HERE SEVERAL TIMES. MAIN LINE BREAKS AND ALL THE BREAKS. BUT IT WAS OVERDUE. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS WAY OUTDATED. THAT WOULD CAUSE US NOT TO BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE UNTIL IT WAS REPAIRED. SO IF IT HAPPENED TO BE IN LIKE JULY OR AUGUST AND WE'RE 100 DEGREES AND WE HADN'T HAD ANY RAIN, THERE'S POTENTIAL OF LOSING GREENS OR HAVING MAJOR SETBACK AFTER WE'VE DONE ALL THIS, TO GET IT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU TUNE DAVE IN AND JIM IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY THANKS TO BOTH OF THEM. AND AND THEY'RE EDUCATED IN THAT AREA AND, AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT'S IT. QUESTION DID Y'ALL NOT WHEN WE WERE DOING AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL IRRIGATION DESIGN, BUT WHEN IT WAS DONE, DID WAS THE DID WAS THE MAIN TRANSMISSION LINE, LOOKED AT AND EVALUATED AND DECIDED WHETHER TO REPAIR OR REPLACE OR NOT. OH, I'M SURE. YEAH. NO, IT, IT HAS BEEN, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS. THAT'S THAT'S NOT MY THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO FOR THE CITY. SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS. WELL, THE OUTCOME WAS THERE HADN'T BEEN AN OUTCOME. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION. WELL THERE'S BEEN WHAT I HEARD ON THAT. AND AND I'VE ONLY HEARD IT FROM ONE PERSON. SO I DON'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE DATA POINT. BUT WHAT THEY SAID WAS, AND THIS SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD SOMEWHERE, WAS THAT THE I PASS SUBCOMMITTEE, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS CALLED? I PASS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THAT THE MAIN LINE BE REPLACED. AND THEN AT THE LAST CITY OR THE TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO WHERE THEY APPROVED THE BUDGET AND DAVE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. ADAM BENEFIELD SAID THAT THE LAST THING. WHAT WAS THE GUY'S NAME? RICHARD TAYLOR. YEAH. TAYLOR. THE LAST THING THAT TAYLOR RICHARD TOLD THEM BEFORE, I GUESS BEFORE HE LEFT THAT JOB WAS MAKE SURE YOU REPLACED THAT TRANSMISSION LINE. 
          SO THAT TELLS ME IT WAS DISCUSSED. YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I EVEN SAID THAT. I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT DECISION, I JUST KNOW THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED. IF THAT DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT HAD SURELY IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH SOMEBODY. YEAH. DURING THIS WHOLE IRRIGATION THING. YEAH YEAH. I'M CONFUSED. WAS IT WAS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TRANSMISSION LINE ORIGINALLY IN THE BID FROM THE CONTRACTOR AND THEN AND THEN VALUE ENGINEERED OUT. I DON'T KNOW, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACT. YEAH, I'M THE WRONG PERSON TO GET INTO THIS TOPIC ABOUT. YEAH. I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT IRRIGATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. IS IT OKAY IF I PUT DAVE ON? SO YEAH, YOU CAN PUT HIM ON. BUT I MEAN, BEFORE YOU DO, I MEAN, DO YOU ALL NEED ANYTHING ELSE WITH ME? CAN I ASK YOU BEFORE WE BRING DAVE IN. GO AHEAD. MIKE. YES. YOU A GENERAL QUESTION. DO WE GET A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE FROM THE CONTRACTOR? YEAH, THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. I WOULD I'M PRETTY SURE MIKE THERE WAS ORIGINALLY BECAUSE I ATTENDED THE ORIGINAL MEETING, THE BEST PERSON TO QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS THAT REGARDING THIS WOULD BE VICTOR. WHO IS THE CIP OKAY, ENGINEER I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT. IN GENERAL, THE CITY GETS A CONSTRUCTION. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS ANSWER, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHETHER WE GET A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE WITH WORK ACTIVITIES AND SO ON AND TIMELINES AND ALL THAT STUFF, I KNOW THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS, FOR AN EXAMPLE, UNLESS HILL, WHO WAS IRRIGATION DESIGNER, WHO'S VERY HIGHLY THOUGHT OF, AND MY GOLF INDUSTRY AND IS DONE WHAT HE'S DONE FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS, HE'S BASED OUT OF THE HOUSTON AREA, AND HE'S DONE MOST TONS OF THE COURSES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. HE COMES OUT EVERY TWO WEEKS. AND AGAIN, HE JUST DID THE DESIGN WHEN WE TOLD HIM WHAT WE REALLY NEED AND GOT IT RIGHT. SO HE'S NOT DIAMOND GOLF. YOUR CONTRACTOR IS DIAMOND GOLF, BUT LESS COMES OUT EVERY TWO WEEKS. HE GIVES A VERY DETAILED REPORT OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS TO VICTOR, THE CIP PROJECT MANAGER. AND LATELY HE'S BEEN COMING OUT EVERY WEEK BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF PUT A LAST MEETING WE HAD, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT LES AND SAID, YEAH, HE'S KIND OF PUT THE WHIP IN AND ON THEM, THE CONTRACTOR, AND CAME IN TO DISCUSS WITH ME BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED LATERALS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON HOLE NUMBER 4 OR 5 AND THEY'RE NOT FILLING TRENCHES AND THEY'RE NOT CAPPING HEADS. AND, AND I WAS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I NEED THAT DONE BEFORE THEY GO TO THE 
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NEXT HOLE, BECAUSE THEN IT MAKES MY GOLF COURSE LOOK LESS LIKE A BATTLEFIELD AND MORE PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY IT RATHER THAN GOOD LORD. AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAZARD TAPE AND FILLING TRENCHES. AND SO NOW THEY'VE CAUGHT UP. SO NOW WHEN A HOLE IS DONE LATERAL WISE, LIKE WE'RE ON 10 OR 11, WELL, THAT HOLES FINISH 100% INSTEAD OF NOT BEING THERE IS A REPORT THAT'S PROVIDED, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. YEAH, AS FAR AS CONTRACTOR GOES. OKAY. YEAH. GREG, LET ME GET OFF THE THE PIPE FOR A SECOND. AS YOU LOOK AT Q3 AND Q4 NEXT YEAR, WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE BAD STUFF BEHIND YOU. ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU SEE BEYOND REGULAR PLAY TO HELP DRIVE YOUR REVENUE NUMBER TOURNAMENTS? OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY NEXT YEAR, ARE YOU TALKING THIS FISCAL YEAR, SORRY, THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE STARTING APRIL, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          MY SECOND TWO QUARTERS. SO THIS FISCAL YEAR, NOT NEXT YEAR THREE. AND. Q ARE THERE SOME EXTRA THINGS THAT. WELL, WHEN YOU SAY EXTRA. YEAH, EXTRA THINGS ARE ROUNDS GOLFERS. OKAY. 
          MY THING WILL BE WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE A MONTH AWAY. I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL BLAST THROUGH MY DATABASE BASICALLY SAYING YOU GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE ARE EXPECTING TO BE COMPLETED JANUARY 15TH, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. THIS IS A TEASER AND THEN WE'RE DONE. AND THEN WITH NOTHING HAPPENING AND ME SEEING HOW EVERYTHING IS PROGRESSING AND WHERE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SPRING, WELL THEN WHAT I DO IS I SEND OUT ANOTHER LETTER TALKING ABOUT COMPLETION, AND I SEND OUT A, HEY, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THE PAST, I MEAN, MY GOD, I COULD PUT, I COULD PUT TEN YEARS, I COULD PUT TEN YEARS, WHICH I COULD. I MEAN, I'VE TALKED ENOUGH AND LOOKED AT ENOUGH AND BEEN PRIVY FROM LOCALS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS TO KIND OF PAINT A BETTER PICTURE FOR ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME HERE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OPEN. I MEAN, IT WAS A FARCE. THEN I'LL SEND THAT OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY INCLUDE LIKE A HERE'S A ONE TIME $10 OFF REGULAR RATE DEAL BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THEM OUT THERE WHEN I SEE THE DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, I HAVE PICTURES EVEN RIGHT NOW, IS YOU COULDN'T RECOGNIZE IT VERSUS SEEING THE PICTURES FROM THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. THAT'S HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS EVEN RIGHT NOW. AND TO RIGHT NOW, IT'S WAY OVER PAR TO MY STANDARDS AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SO I'LL DO THAT. I'LL GET PEOPLE OUT THEN. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU, OUR BIG GOLF ATTORNEY, WORD OF MOUTH IS BEST THING. 
          IT'S IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WHEN THEY COME OUT, HEY, I'M READY FOR THEM. IT'S MARCH, IT'S APRIL, IT'S MAY, IT'S JUNE WHENEVER I DO THAT. AND THEN WORD STARTS SPREADING, AND THEN WE'RE BOOKED 100% AGAIN ON THE WEEKENDS. AND THEN MY WEEKDAYS START GETTING GOOD AS WELL. AND ALL THESE OTHER COURSES ARE BOOKED 100% AND THEY COME TO ME LAST. THEY'RE GOING TO START SAYING, HEY, THIS IS ONE OF MY NEW FAVORITES AND INCLUDE THEM US ON THEIR LIST. AND, AND THAT'S THE FUTURE. NOW, AS FAR AS TOURNAMENTS, NO TOURNAMENTS HAVE BOOKED FOR THIS YEAR. 
          THEY'VE BOOKED FOR 27. I GOT MAYBE 2 OR 3 INQUIRIES. I GET OUR LOCAL STUFF. THAT'S IT. I'M NOT READY TO HOST AND BOOK TOURNAMENTS YET. ONE OF MY CIP PROJECTS IS I CAN'T HAVE TOURNAMENTS COME OUT AND THEN GO PAY A RENTAL FEE AT COE CLUB, DRIVE TO THAT AFTER THEIR EVENT, SPEND AN EXTRA HOUR, HAVE FOOD CATERED IN THERE. SOME HAVE BEEN DRINKING ALL DAY. GOLF TOURNAMENTS ARE A ONE STOP SHOP. THEY HAVE GOLF TOURNAMENTS AT THE FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A 501 C THREE ORGANIZATION, WHETHER IT'S CORPORATE, WHETHER IT'S BUDDIES, A BACHELOR PARTY, WHATEVER, AND THEY DRINK AND EAT AND SCORE AND HAVE THEIR AWARDS AND HAVE THEIR AFTERWARDS AT THE GOLF COURSE. SO DUSTIN AND I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING FOR SINCE THREE AND A HALF YEARS. WE BOTH WANT THE SAME THING AS FAR AS OUTSIDE AND WHAT'S NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH. NUMBER ONE, THE GOLFERS AND HIS CUSTOMERS AND FAMILIES AND PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HE'S GOT KIND OF HIS BIDS AND IDEAS, I HAVE MINE. WE WILL COME TO A HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE IT ACCOMMODATES BOTH OF US THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR A CIP PROJECT FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S A TOURNAMENT SIDE OF IT. BUT BUT AFTER WE'RE DONE 
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AND I SEND OUT THOSE EMAILS AND PEOPLE START TALKING, AND THEN I START HOSTING A MONTHLY EVENT AND THOSE EMAILS ARE SENT OUT. AND THOSE AREN'T JUST THE PEOPLE ON LAGO. THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL AROUND THIS AREA, JUST LIKE THEY PLAY IN TOURNAMENTS AT CRYSTAL FALLS, AND THEY PLAY IN TOURNAMENTS AT HIDDEN FALLS, AND THEY PLAY IN TOURNAMENTS AT DELAWARE SPRINGS AND BURNET. WE'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME THING. THIS IS MY BACKGROUND. THIS IS MY LIFE, HOW I RUN. THIS IS IS NOT TO HOW HALF OF HOW I WILL RUN IT WHEN MY PRODUCT IS READY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THAT. 2728 LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN WORD OF MOUTH, BETWEEN INCREASING RATES, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING A FEW OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS DONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE PARKING LOT. WELL, WE HAVE 50 TO 100 YEAR OLD OAK TREES WITH ROOTS UNDERNEATH. YOU REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO TEAR DOWN THOSE TREES AND RIP THOSE OUT AND KILL THEM? THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT, ALL I NEED IS PAINTED ASPHALT ON TOP, CURBS, REPAIRED YELLOW STRIPES. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT GOES. SO WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN THE GOLF CART LEASE THAT I EXTENDED A YEAR THIS YEAR WHEN IT WAS UP, WE SHOULD BE PAYING ON NEW CARTS. THINGS HAVE MULTIPLIED IN THE GOLF BUSINESS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S IN THE BLACK AND THERE'S MORE ROUNDS. LIKE YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE PAST THREE YEARS, EVERY YEAR THAN ANY YEAR IN HISTORY, EVERY, EVERY LITTLE THING. AN IMPROVEMENT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND WHEN THEY SEE US, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF, NEW GOLF CARTS I PUT OFF TILL 27, 28, WHICH IS WHEN MARCH 28TH IS WHEN I SEE THE GRAND OPENING, THE RE GRAND OPENING AROUND MASTERS TIME. YOU GOT A PARKING LOT THAT HAS STRIPES BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE FULL. YOU HAVE NEW GOLF CARTS. THEY ACTUALLY SEE WHEN THEY COME THAT, WOW, LOOK, THEY HAVE FAIRWAYS AND TEES, BUT THEY'VE ALSO SPRUCE THINGS UP. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE EVERYTHING. I'M NOT COUNCIL. I CAN'T WAVE MY WAND, BUT HOPEFULLY ALL THIS OR MOST OF THIS WILL COME TO FRUITION. I JUST WANT TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT BEFORE YOU CAN START HOSTING TOURNAMENTS AGAIN, CORRECT? WELL, YEAH, NO ONE WANTS TO BOOK A TOURNAMENT AT A COURSE LIKE THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO IF I THINK IF I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IN FY 28, WE'LL HAVE THAT PRODUCT, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO START HOSTING TOURNAMENTS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW FY 27, THEY'RE ALL BOOKED, CORRECT? OH YEAH. I MEAN FY 28 IS THE YEAR FOR THAT. YEAH. BUT WHEN I SAY THAT IT'S KIND OF A I MEAN, YOU HAVE FISCAL YEAR FOR THE CITY, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A CALENDAR YEAR. SO LIKE CORPORATIONS AND 501 C3S AND GOLF GROUPS THAT WANT TO GO PLAY AND BIG GROUPS. AND WHEN I SEE BIG GROUPS, WE GET A LOT OF LIKE 12 TO 24 PARTY GROUPS. MOST OF THEM ARE BACHELOR PARTIES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ON THE WEEKENDS, WHICH THAT'S A PREMIUM RATE. BUT I DON'T SOMETIMES WANT CERTAIN BACHELOR PARTIES ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE IT'S A HEADACHE. BUT ANYWAY. YES, SO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, SO CALENDAR 28. YEAH, 28 PEOPLE WILL START BOOKING THEIR 28 EVENTS. THEY START BOOKING BASICALLY IN GOLF IN SPRING OF 27. THAT'S WHEN THEY START LOOKING SPRING OF 27. AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR EVENTS BOOKED FOR 28. RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE GOLF GIG WORKS. THAT'S GREAT. SO I CAN'T TALK FISCAL YEAR, CALENDAR YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TOURNAMENTS ISN'T TOURNAMENTS IS GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGE. IT'S ALSO GOING TO INCREASE IT FOR GOLF. BUT IT'S NOT YOUR TELLTALE. OKAY. IF IF YOU'RE LIKE WHEN I OPENED TOUR 18, AMERICA'S GREATEST 18 HOLES AND YOU'RE DOING DOUBLE SHOTGUN EVERY DAY, AND EVERY GOLFER IN THE U.S. FLIES INTO HOUSTON, WANTS TO PLAY THEIR. TWO THIRDS OF MY ROUND WERE TOURNAMENT ROUNDS BECAUSE I CAN FILL 144 AND I'M SOLD OUT. BUT THAT'S AN ABNORMALITY. WHAT DRIVES YOUR ROUNDS ARE YOUR. YOUR REGULAR GOLFER, AUSTIN HAS A VERY SHORT LACK OF PUBLIC MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES. HOUSTON BLOWS IT AWAY. DALLAS BLOWS IT AWAY. SAN ANTONIO IS NOT QUITE AS GOOD AS THOSE TWO. SO PUBLIC GOLF IS THRIVING EVERYWHERE. BUT IT'S 
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THRIVING IN AUSTIN. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR MONEY'S IN THE CITY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC GOLF COURSES THERE. IT JUST COSTS A LOT NOW TO BUILD THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, IN PROPERTY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT YOUR GOLFER. SO WHEN I'M TALKING, I DO 32,000 ROUNDS. 
          NOW. I DO 100 TO 200 TOURNAMENT ROUNDS. WELL, THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'VE BASED IT SOMEWHAT PERFORM ON, I'M JUST TALKING 40,000 PAID ROUNDS WITH THE RATE INCREASE. BUT WHEN WE GET TO 40, 45,000 ROUNDS, THAT 40,000 ROUNDS, I'LL USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE, THAT 100 TO 200 TOURNAMENT ROUNDS THAT WE HAVE NOW, IT'S GOING TO GO TO 500 TO 1000. THEN ONCE THEY'RE OUT HERE AND THEY START TALKING AND THINGS BEING LIKE THEY SHOULD AND GOES, WELL, IT'S GOING TO GO FROM 1000 TO 3, 3000, AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO END UP CAPPING AT 5000. SO YOU MAY HAVE 40,000 REGULAR PAID ROUNDS AND YOU MAY HAVE 5000. YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EVER A HOTEL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CAN VISUALIZE AND LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, LIVE LIFE LIKE A VACATION TOURIST CITY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALL BASED ON WE'RE IN THE BIGGEST TIME WE'VE EVER, EVER BEEN IN, IN THE GOLF BUSINESS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LATE 80S WHEN THERE WASN'T ENOUGH GOLF COURSES AND TIGER WOODS WAS YOUNG AND GOLF WAS BOOMING. AND THEN 2009, IT WENT DOWNHILL, AND THEN PANDEMIC HIT. AND THESE NUMBERS HAVE NEVER BEEN TOUCHED BY ANYONE. AND WHEN YOU KNOW ALL YOUR FELLOW MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER GOLF COURSES ARE IN THE BLACK THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, YOU KNOW, HIDDEN FALLS, I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT THEY NEVER BEEN IN THE BLACK UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO. THIS WILL BE THEIR THIRD YEAR, I THINK, TO BE IN THE BLACK. THE OTHER ONES WERE ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, MUNICIPALITIES IN THE OLD DAYS, WHEN THINGS ARE NORMAL IN THE GOLF BUSINESS, IF THEY BREAK EVEN, THEY'RE ELATED. SO IT'S AN AMENITY. OKAY, YOU HEARD ENOUGH OF ME. 
          YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE I HAVE ACTUALLY A COUPLE. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY. MY FIRST QUESTION IS IF THIS MAIN LINE IS TO BE REPLACED, CERTAINLY THAT WON'T STOP THEM FROM FILTERING IN THE OTHER ONE AND SENDING IT IN THE OLD LINE IN THE MEANTIME. YOU KNOW, I DO. 
          BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T WHEN WHEN DAVE TALKS. SO NO, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND FILTER WATER. 
          I MEAN WE GOT A Y STRAIN PUT IN OUR IRRIGATION, OUR NEW POND. RIGHT. AND THE PUMP HOUSE, IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO I MEAN, NO, I MEAN IT WILL GO. I WOULD THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FILL IT. YEAH. BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO CRACK OR BREAK OBVIOUSLY THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I'M JUST SAYING HOPEFULLY THEY NO NO NO. YEAH. NO EVERYTHING EVERYTHING. WE'VE SEEN CRAZY THINGS. I DON'T WANT THEM COMING UP TO US AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THIS NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE MAIN LINE. YEAH. 
          BUILD A NEW LINE. YEAH. THAT WOULDN'T BE ME. YEAH, I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE YOU. SOMEONE WOULD COME TO ME AND THEN I MAY TELL YOU THAT, BUT NO, I DON'T, I DON'T FORESEE THAT, MIKE. I MEAN, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND READY WHEN WE'RE DONE. SO IF THEY'RE DONE BEING THE CONTRACTORS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, JANUARY 1ST, WELL, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, THE REST OF THE PUZZLE NEEDS TO BE READY AS WELL. WHERE ARE WE WITH THE FILTER? IS THAT EVEN SO? WELL, WE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE Y STRAIN FILTER AT THE IRRIGATION POND ON TWO. YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT. IT'S AGAIN, THIS IS MY FORTE, BUT IT'S GOOD ENOUGH AND SMALL ENOUGH THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT WATER FROM. 17 AND ALL THE STUFF THAT I WON'T MENTION TO TALK ABOUT, IT WOULD BE FILTERED OUT BEFORE THAT WATER GOES INTO THE IRRIGATION POND. OKAY. HOW CLOSE DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN? HOW MUCH CLOSER DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IF YOU WERE OPEN MONDAY'S? OUCH. OH, WELL, I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, BUT I'LL ANSWER. I'M GOING TO. YOU ALWAYS HEAR ME SAY WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE IN THE US THAT'S NOT OPEN ON MONDAY. WELL, IN THE OLD DAYS, I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO BEEN OPEN ON MONDAY BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OPEN. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN. THERE ARE MORE. THERE ARE MORE COURSES, ESPECIALLY NOW, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MAKING MONEY THAT PUBLIX OR MUNICIPALITIES, LIKE IF THEY NEED TO VERIFY OR THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING MAJOR. AGRONOMICALLY. YEAH, BUT THEY CLOSE IT. I'VE NEVER EVEN OF COURSES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT HIGH DOLLAR WHERE I HOST A TOUR EVENTS, OUR MAINTENANCE PRACTICES, WE WORKED AROUND THE GOLFERS, YOU KNOW, AROUND OUR REGULAR GOLFERS. WE JUST MADE IT HAPPEN. I WOULD JUST, WE'D COMMUNICATE, HEY GUYS, TODAY 
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YOU CAN JUST PLAY THE BACK, HEY GUYS, YADA YADA CLOSE AT NINE OR SO. EXACTLY. SO MY DEAL IS GOING TO BE I'M GOING TO THROW AT THEM, HEY, LET'S OPEN EVERY OTHER MONDAY. I'M GOING TO START OUT SOFT AND AND STAY CLOSED TWO MONDAYS OUT OF THE MONTH. I WOULDN'T HAVE IT WOULDN'T HAVE AFFECTED JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AT ALL. AND IT REALLY WOULDN'T AFFECTED ANYTHING UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR THAT I HAD WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT ME A LITTLE BIT MORE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. YEAH. NO, NO, I MEAN, THERE'S THAT'S THE ANSWER. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. I HAD ONE OTHER ONE I FORGET. SO YOU GET OFF. CALL ME TOMORROW ANYWAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT GREG. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OFF AND THE DOOR WILL LOCK AUTOMATICALLY BEHIND YOU. 
          SO YOU WERE A TOUR 18, I OPENED THOSE. YEAH YOU DID. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUITE A FEW. HAD SOME GOOD, GOOD FUN THERE. IF YOU AND MR. STEWART WANTS TO. YOU WANT TO SEE MR. STEWART WANTS TO CALL. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING. NICE TO MEET YOU. WE CAN GO BACK TO HIM NOW. OKAY. 
          SO IN THE MEANTIME, I'LL ASK JESS IF HE HAS ANYTHING TO. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT THE OTHER QUESTION WAS FOR NOW. HEY. NO. IT'S OKAY, I WAS JUST I JUST. HOW MUCH OF THIS BUDGET STILL GOT CUT AFTER EVERYTHING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HE'S RIGHT HERE. HEY, SIR. NO. IT'S OKAY. LET HIM GO. 
          DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. HEY, MARK. HE REMEMBERED HIS LAST QUESTION. NO. IT'S OKAY. I'LL GET WITH YOU LATER. HOW ARE YOU DOING, DAVE? I GOT YOU ON SPEAKER. I GOT YOU IN FRONT OF A MICROPHONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO HELP AT ALL. HOPEFULLY IT WILL. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR? BARELY. HOW COME THIS ISN'T WORKING? IT IS. OKAY. OKAY. DAVE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. AND THEN WE'LL DO Q&A. OKAY. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THE HIGH PASS MEETING ABOUT WHETHER WE FELT THAT THE TEN INCH LINE OUGHT TO BE REPLACED, AND THREE OF US SAID WE DID. WE DIDN'T GO INTO THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT I WENT INTO WITH YOU, MIKE, BUT BASICALLY YOU DON'T DO 95% OF THE JOB AND THEN ME LEAVE THE BACKBONE OF THE PROJECT OUT OF IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING TO GET THAT IRRIGATION SYSTEM FIXED. I WAS GIVEN A GREEN LIGHT TO DO IT IN 2018, AND THEN SUNSET PARK BECAME THE PRIORITY IN ALL THE FUNDS, SWITCHED OVER TO THE PARK, AND THIS THING FELL OUT OF THE SIGHT AGAIN UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT IT TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. BUT I'VE GOT SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT LEAVING THAT LINE IN THERE AS IT IS. AND IF IT DOES FAIL, AS I ANTICIPATE, THEN. 
          YOUR MEANS OF GETTING WATER TO THE POND TO KEEP THE GREENS, THE TEES AND THE FAIRWAYS GREEN IS GOING TO GO INTO DISTRESS. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF ARGUMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE AT ZERO PRESSURE, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL TO THE PIPE BECAUSE THE WATER PRESSURE HELPS SUPPORT THE TOP OF THE PIPE TO KEEP IT FROM COLLAPSING. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE IT, THEN THE WEIGHT OF THE EARTH PUSHING DOWN COULD DISTORT THAT PIPE AND CRACK THE HAUNCHES AT 6:00 AND 9:00. EVERY TIME THE PUMP COMES ON TO FILL TWO, IT'S GOING TO SHAKE THAT PIPE IN THAT DITCH, WHICH HAS LOUSY BACKFILL. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD FIVE. SPIGOT TO BELL SPLITS IN THAT PIPE, AND IT ONLY SPLITS IF THE PIPE IS WORN OUT, THAT IT'S LOST ITS ELASTICITY. THE CONTRACTORS ON SITE. I JUST GOT A SET OF BID TABS TODAY, AND I RAN SOME MATH ON IT. AND THIS LINE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE REPLACED FOR LESS THAN $200,000. 
          AND THERE'S LIKE $1.1 MILLION IN THIS CIP FUND THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT, AND WE WILL NEVER PUT IT IN THE GROUND FOR THE PRICE THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. IF IT DOES FAIL, IS IT GOING TO FAIL ON THE DRIVING RANGE? IS IT GOING TO FAIL ON FAIRWAY ONE OR FAIRWAY TWO? I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD BUSINESS MODEL NOT TO FIX THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE AND KICK THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE GOLF COURSE, A PIPING SYSTEM DOWN THE ROAD, AND TO FINALLY GET THE GOLF COURSE TO WHERE IT COULD BECOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING STELLAR IN THE 
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COMMUNITY AND TO LEAVE IT VULNERABLE TO FUTURE LEAKS ON THE FAIRWAYS AND THE DRIVING RANGE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL TO ME. LET'S GET IT FIXED. LET'S GET OUR 115 YEAR PIPE IN AND FINISH THE JOB. BUT THE I PASS COMMITTEE DIDN'T MEET AS IT MET PROBABLY IN SIX WEEKS, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE MEETING AGAIN, BUT A DECISION HAS GOT TO BE MADE. AND GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK THEM TO AUTHORIZE THIS CHANGE ORDER WHILE THE CONTRACTOR STILL HAS THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO IT, TO ME, IS THE BEST PLAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. I'M DONE. DOES I GOT ONE QUESTION I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT THE STUFF THAT YOU HAD. WOULD THAT INCLUDE. WE SAY WE'VE GOT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EXPECTED TO FIX IT. IS THAT GOING TO INCLUDE THE THE CLEAN FILL AROUND THE AROUND THE PIPES IN ORDER TO GET ALL THAT CRAP, THOSE ROCKS OUT OF THERE OR, OR WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF WORK ON THAT? DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION, DAVE? YEAH, I HEARD IT. THE CURRENT DITCH IS UNSALVAGEABLE, EXCEPT AS A A POSSIBLE SLEEVE PIPE SOLUTION. BUT THE BID TABS. 
          I'M. I AM CONFIDENT THAT $200,000 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHOT ROCK DITCH AND I'VE PULLED PLENTY OF BLASTING CAP WIRE OUT OF THERE, AND IT'S GOT JAGGED ROCK ALL OVER THAT DITCH. THAT'S WHAT WE KEPT WHEN, WHEN IT STARTED CRACKING, WE HAD TO ACTUALLY JACKHAMMER THE ROCK BACK SO IT WOULDN'T CONTACT THE REPLACEMENT PIPE. THE BID TAB HAS A NICE PRICE PER FOOT FOR A BRAND NEW DITCH PROPERLY SANDED, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING. YEAH. SO IN ANSWER TO TO MIKE'S QUESTION, THE BID PRICE THAT'S IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOES INCLUDE THE CLEAN MATERIAL. WELL, ACTUALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PROVIDING THE SAND IN THE BID PRICE IS SIMPLY FOR DIGGING THE DITCH, INSTALLING THE SAND AND BACKFILLING THE DITCH. SO YES AND NO. I MEAN, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN MAYBE ANOTHER FIVE TRUCKLOADS OF SAND, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE BIG SCOPE OF THE PICTURE. WELL, PROBABLY MORE THAN FIVE, PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE TEN TRUCKLOADS OF SAND, BUT IT WOULD STILL EASILY BE PAID FOR BY A MAXIMUM PRICE THAT I'M ESTIMATING TO BE 200 K. I'M ACTUALLY NOW WITH LOOKING AT THESE BID TABS, THINKING IT COULD BE DONE FOR LESS THAN 150 K. YEAH. AND YOU JUST GOT A HOLD OF THOSE TODAY. SO FOR NOW, UNTIL WE FULLY VETTED THIS THING, WE'RE GOING TO SAY MAXIMUM PRICE 200. BUT IT COULD BE MUCH LESS. YEAH, I WOULD KEEP IT AT THE 200. BUT I'M REAL CONFIDENT THAT THE 200 IS A GOOD NUMBER. NOW IF THE PIPE IS LEFT IN SERVICE AND IT DOES FAIL BECAUSE IT CAN'T SUPPORT THE OVERBURDEN, IT'S GOING TO COST PROBABLY 2 TO 3 TIMES WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO IT NOW, ALONG WITH THE GOLF COURSE. INTERRUPTIONS AND DIGGING A TRENCH ACROSS THE DRIVING RANGE IN FAIRWAY ONE AND TWO. AND WE, YOU KNOW, THE THE PUBLIC IN THE FUTURE IS GOING TO SAY, WHY DID THESE PEOPLE MAKE A BAD DECISION? I HAVE A QUESTION. EXCUSE ME. SOMEONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION. HE SAID THAT COUNCIL WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DEADLINE THAT THIS DEAL IS GOOD FOR? HOW LONG? HIS BIDS THAT HE GOT THE TWO. HOW LONG IS THE 200 A GOOD PRICE? OH, SO THOSE BID TABS THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, HOW LONG IS THAT PRICING GOOD IS THE QUESTION. UNTIL THE JOB IS SIGNED OFF ON AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY? HISTORICALLY, WHEN I HAVE DONE CHANGE ORDERS IN THE PAST, THE PIPE RATE WAS BASED UPON THE PRICE PER FOOT IN THE DOCUMENT, WITH AN ADJUSTMENT OF 15 TO 20% FOR THE UNEXPECTED WORK, WHICH STILL PUTS IT WELL BELOW THE 200 K. BUT ONCE THE CITY ACCEPTS THE SYSTEM, THIS DOCUMENT IS WORTHLESS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POSITIVE ANSWER FROM THE COUNCIL? I WOULD SAY. EITHER THE NEXT 
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COUNCIL MEETING OR THE COUNCIL AFTERWARDS, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I READ ON FACEBOOK TODAY THAT THEY'RE PREDICTING A MID JANUARY BRING IT INTO OPERATION TYPE OF THING. AND SO WE WOULD WANT IT IN BEFORE THEY PULL THEIR EQUIPMENT OFF. SO I WOULD SAY YOU NEED TO GET THE THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD BE GIVEN THE TWO OPTIONS. AND HE OUGHT TO PREPARE WHAT HE WOULD DO THE CHANGE ORDER FOR AND GO FROM THERE. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHAT IT WANTS TO DO. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ENGINEER WITH A SEAL SIZE THE PIPE, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT WE DON'T NEED THE TEN INCH PIPE. WE COULD GET BY WITH AN EIGHT INCH PIPE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT MAYBE 40 OR $45,000 IN COST. OKAY. BUT THE, THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THIS DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE SOONER THAN LATER, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE TIME TO DO THIS WHILE HE'S STILL ON SITE, WHICH RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE SITE AROUND MID JANUARY. I WOULD SAY FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO DO DUE DILIGENCE, HE WOULD NEED TO BE NOTIFIED BEFORE THANKSGIVING. 
          AND DOES THAT MEAN. TO GIVE THE CONTRACTOR THE TWO OPTIONS TO COME BACK ON, OR A YES TO ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS BY BY THANKSGIVING? WELL, MY PERSONAL OPINION, AFTER LOOKING AT THESE BID TABS, IS THAT I WOULD GO JUST STRAIGHT WITH THE OPEN CUT AND FORGET ABOUT THE SLEEVING UNLESS WE WERE TO TRY TO JUST PUSH PIPE UNDER THE ROADS, WHICH I COULD DO WITH A BACKHOE BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT PULL AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAVE THE COST OF DOING THOSE ROADS. AND THERE'S THREE CROSS THREE ROAD CROSSINGS, BUT WE COULD WE COULD PULL THROUGH THAT AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE BRINGING IN A SPECIAL CREW FROM DALLAS, BUT WITHOUT THE ENGINEER TO SIZE THE PIPE WITH THE SEAL, BECAUSE WE'D WANT SOMEBODY TO BLAME. IF IF HE MISSES IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE SIZED BY A ROOKIE. YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE MY WORD OR ANYBODY ELSE'S WORD. THIS NEEDS TO BE IF WE NEED AN ENGINEER TO TELL US WHAT SIZE TO PUT IN. BUT I DO BELIEVE FROM MY EXPERIENCE THAT THE TEN INCHES OVERSIZE THE TEN INCH IS WHAT WE GOT NOW. YES. BUT THE PUMPS WERE MUCH SMALLER BACK THEN. WE HAVE HUGE PUMPS RIGHT NOW. WE HAD A 15 HORSE PUMP OUT IN THAT COVE BY GREEN SHORE PARK, AND I TOOK THE BARGE OUT AND KEPT THAT LINE. WHEN WE SWITCHED IT TO THE PUMPS AT POND 17, AND THOSE PUMPS AT POND 17 HAVE SOME MUSCLE, PROBABLY 6 OR 7 TIMES AS MUCH AS THAT LITTLE BARGE PUMP HAD. SO I THINK A SMALLER LINE IS GOING TO WORK. 
          BUT AGAIN, AN ENGINEER SHOULD MAKE THIS DECISION. WHAT ABOUT THE OPERATING COST OF THE DIFFERENT SIZED PIPES? OPERATING COST. THE OPERATING COST OF THE DIFFERENT SIZED PIPES. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TEN INCH AND AN EIGHT INCH? FROM AN OPERATING COST VIEWPOINT? IF YOU'RE TALKING ELECTRICAL COSTS, NOT REALLY. I MEAN, THE PUMPS THAT TURN OFF A LITTLE SHORTER, A LITTLE FASTER ON A TEN INCH, BUT YOU GOT TO WATCH YOUR PUMP CURVES BECAUSE YOU CAN DAMAGE YOUR PUMPS IF YOU'RE NOT IN A SWEET SPOT ON THAT PUMP CURVE. THAT'S WHY AN ENGINEER NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE IN THE RIGHT SPOT ON THE PUMP CURVE. 
          OKAY. SUSAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW. I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE. 
          WHO? WHO IS DAVID? DAVID, DESCRIBE YOUR BACKGROUND REAL QUICKLY AND YOUR CERTIFICATIONS. 
          OKAY. I'M. I WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR 33 YEARS. I RAN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FROM 2005 UNTIL 2016 OR SO. I PUT IN OVER 20 MILES OF PIPE IN LAGO VISTA, INCLUDING THE PIPELINE 
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GOING TO THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE WITH A CITY CREW, AND OVERSAW ANOTHER 40 OR 50 MILES BEING BUILT IN TO ZERO IN THE HOLLOWS. I'M A CLASS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATOR, WHICH MEANS THAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED ON HOW TO MANAGE AND REPAIR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEMS, AND I'M A CLASS B SURFACE WATER OPERATOR WHO WAS TRAINED HOW TO MANAGE AND REPAIR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS. I'VE BEEN DOING PIPE REPAIRS. I DID PIPE REPAIRS IN LAGO VISTA FROM 1986 UNTIL 2019. I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON LEFT IN LAGO VISTA THAT'S ACTUALLY STOOD ON THE BOTTOM OF EVERY LIFT STATION IN LAGO VISTA, EXCEPT FOR THE NEW ONE AT TWO ZERO. I KNOW THIS SYSTEM. I'VE FIXED OVER A HALF A DOZEN LEAKS ON THAT TEN INCH LINE, AND I HELPED THE GOLF COURSE FIX ANOTHER DOZEN, SO I'M REAL FAMILIAR WITH THAT PIPELINE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK YOU'RE VERY QUALIFIED. MIKE, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO NOT GAUGE. WELL, I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION. SO LET'S SAY THIS CATASTROPHIC FAILURE THAT THAT YOU SAY WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF HAPPENING. LET'S SAY IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. 
          LET'S SAY IT HAPPENS 18 MONTHS FROM NOW FROM AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO FILL POND TWO AND WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO IRRIGATE THE GOLF COURSE. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IF THE PIPE IS TRANSITIONED FROM A PRESSURE PIPE INTO AN UNPRESSURIZED PIPE WHEN NOT IN SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN ENDED PIPE IN THE POND. TWO THEN WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A LAUNCH FAILURE, WHICH WILL BE THE 3:00 AND 9:00 POSITION, WHICH MEANS THAT THE PIPE IS GOING TO THE TOP OF THE PIPE IS GOING TO FOLD IN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PIPE. CAN YOU STILL PUMP WATER THROUGH IT? YEAH, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE GRABBING A BUNCH OF GRAVEL AND MUD AND WHATEVER ELSE IT CAN GET. AND BUT WORSE, IT'S GOING TO SOAK THAT DITCH. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION IS GOING TO COLLAPSE AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A BUNCH OF DOMINOES, A CASCADING EFFECT. YES. AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION, THE BIGGEST THING HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT OUT IS THAT THE PIPE MANUFACTURER SAID THAT HIS PIPE SHOULD BE REPLACED AFTER 50 YEARS OF SERVICE. THIS PIPE HAS BEEN IN SERVICE FOR 49 YEARS. WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TRYING TO. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO OVERRIDE A PIPE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN YOU FOR SURE NEED SOMEBODY WITH AN ENGINEER SEAL TO DO IT BECAUSE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ONE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO TELL YOU TO TAKE A 50 YEAR PIPE AND TRY AND GET 65 YEARS OUT OF IT. OKAY, I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. I AGREE WITH YOU. THE QUESTION IS, SO NOW THIS CATASTROPHIC FAILURE HAPPENS. THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH A FIND. THE FUNDS, GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS AND EFFECTUATE THE REPAIRS. HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY OUT FOR 30 DAYS? IS IT OUT FOR SIX MONTHS? IS IT OUT? WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR THE CITY FOR 30 SOME YEARS, IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF THE OUTAGE, YOU COULD INVOKE A DESIGN, BUILD EMERGENCY USING THE FACT THAT YOU NEED TO REPAIR THE LINE TO KEEP YOUR T C, Q DISCHARGE PERMIT, ACT IN COMPLIANCE COMPLIANCE. AND WHEN YOU YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THE THING FIXED IN MAYBE SIX WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A LINE TO PROVIDE IRRIGATION FOR THE GOLF COURSE. THE GOLF COURSE IS ACTUALLY PROVIDES A CROP THAT OUR TCEQ DISCHARGE PERMIT USES TO DISPOSE OF EFFLUENT. SO IT'S IT'S NOT A LINE FOR THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S AN EFFLUENT DISPOSAL LINE. THE GOLF COURSE 
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SITS IN AN EFFLUENT DISPOSAL AREA. THE EFFLUENT DISPOSAL IS NOT. IS NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GOLF COURSE. THE GOLF COURSE IS THE CROP. IT'S A PART OF THE PERMIT. AND WE CAN'T TAKE CHANCES THAT WE'LL LOSE OUR ABILITY TO IRRIGATE THE CROP IF THE IF THE PIPE BREAKS IN THE SUMMER AND WE KILL OUR CROP, THAT WILL BE A MAJOR VIOLATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KILL OUR CROP, WHETHER IT BE CEDAR TREES OR THE TURF ON THE GOLF COURSE. IF YOU READ THE THE 305 DISCHARGE PERMIT FOR THE CITY, IT REFERS TO BOTH OF THOSE AREAS AS A CROP, AND IT'S NOT DOING DUE DILIGENCE FOR YOUR CROP TO LEAVE A 49 YEAR OLD LINE IN SERVICE WHEN YOU FIXED EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT WHAT THE FINES WOULD BE ONE OR LIKE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE FINES WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO THAT? AND TWO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO IRRIGATE, HOW MUCH THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO BE LOST. A LOST INVESTMENT. WELL, OKAY, THE FINES ARE STARTING TO BUILD FOR LAGO VISTA BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD EIGHT VIOLATIONS IN THE LAST 26 MONTHS. AND IF IT WAS A FIRST VIOLATION IN SEVEN YEARS, IT MIGHT BE A MINOR FINE. BUT WHEN YOU KEEP SHOWING UP ON THE NAUGHTY LIST, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THEY COULD DO. I MEAN, IT COULD BE A 40 OR $50,000 FINE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE GOLF COURSE DIED. DID IT BREAK DURING THE RAINY SEASON? DID IT BREAK DURING THE DRY SEASON? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL WHAT THE FINE COULD BE. I MEAN, HOW MUCH IS A GOLF COURSE DIES? AND, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY HAVE TO SPEND IF THE GRASS DIES TO PUT IT BACK INTO TO TO GET IT TO GROW BACK? IF THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T BEING IRRIGATED, HOW MUCH REVENUE ARE WE GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE OF THE GOLFERS WE JUST GOT BACK ON? OUR GREEN COURSES ARE NOW PLAYING ON A PARKING LOT. AGAIN. IT'S JUST A BAD BUSINESS DECISION NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. ANOTHER QUESTION, MY QUESTION ACTUALLY WAS HAS ANYBODY DONE THAT ANALYSIS? IF TCU DOES WHAT IT WANTS TO DO, AND USUALLY EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU GET YOUR FINE NOTICES. FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE'VE EVER BEEN FINED FOR THE GOLF COURSE BEFORE, SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY LITTLE STATION FINES WERE SMALL, $7,500 OR SO. BUT WHEN WE GOT TO THE FIFTH OR SIXTH ONE, THEY HIT US FOR $44,000. SO IT JUMPED FROM 7 TO 44,000. AFTER THE FIFTH OR SIXTH LIFT STATION, PUT SEWAGE INTO LAKE TRAVIS. AND WE MADE A DEAL THAT WE'LL START PUTTING GENERATORS IN IF YOU'LL CUT THE FINE IN HALF, AND WE'LL USE THAT HALF TO BUY GENERATOR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. BUT WITH THE FINES THAT WE GOT FOR THE TURBIDITY AT PLANT ONE AND OR THE VIOLATIONS AT PLANT ONE FOR THE TURBIDITY VIOLATIONS OUT AT THE CEDAR BREAKS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WHAT A FINE WOULD BE IF SOMETHING HAPPENED OUT THERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ISSUED THOSE FINES YET. THEY'RE STILL COMING. OKAY, I HAVE A FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT TOGETHER A CHANGE ORDER THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL? YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD TO WRITE SOMETHING UP. I MEAN, I COULD I COULD PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE OPEN CUP AND FOR THE SLIP CUT, AND ALL THE NUMBERS ARE IN THE BID TABS THAT YOU NEED THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. WELL, IT'S THE NUMBERS THAT I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO USE, BUT THEN THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT ADDITIONAL ALLOWABLE MARKUP FOR BEING A LATE ADD. 
          HISTORICALLY, I'VE SEEN THAT IN ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO MAYBE 20 OR 22%, BUT EVEN THAT, THAT DOESN'T POP IT OVER A 200 K NUMBER. SO YOU COULD PROVIDE A PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE IN THE FORM OF A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A SAMPLE CHANGE ORDER THAT WE COULD PUT IN FRONT OF 
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CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL DECISION. I COULD DO IT AS BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE SYSTEM, BUT I THINK THE FINAL CHANGE ORDER WOULD HAVE TO BE. SEAL, OR IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER ACTUALLY DECIDE WHAT SIZE PIPE IT IS. I COULD TELL YOU THAT WE WANT TO DO EITHER AN EIGHT OR A TEN INCH. IF IT'S OPEN CUT AND AN EIGHT INCH IF IT'S A SLIP LINE AND MY GUT TELLS ME IT'S EIGHT INCH IS GOING TO BE THE PIPE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE. 
          BUT I DON'T HAVE THE LICENSE TO SIZE THE LINE. I HAVE THE LICENSE TO REPAIR IT. I HAVE THE LICENSE TO INSTALL IT. BUT PIPE SIZING HAS TO BE DONE BY A LICENSED ENGINEER. UNDERSTAND? SO BUT WE COULD GET A PRETTY RELIABLE ESTIMATE FOR A CHANGE ORDER. IT SOUNDS LIKE. YEAH, I CAN GET YOU EVERYTHING BUT THE PIPE SIZE. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS SUBJECT? WELL, IF THAT LINE GOES DOWN FOR SIX WEEKS, DO WE HAVE ALTERNATES FOR PROCESSING OUR EFFLUENT DISPOSAL OR WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? QUITE HONESTLY, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? WELL, OKAY, I'M GOING TO TRY AND GUESS AT WHAT HE'S AT. IF YOU HAVE A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE THAT'S GOING TO FORCE EVERYTHING TO BE USED EITHER AT THE CEDAR BREAKS OR AT THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE. BUT THE CITY MADE A MISTAKE AND SOLD THE HIGHLAND LAKES PUMP HOUSE TO WITH THE GOLF COURSE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN PUT EFFLUENT ON THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO HOW MUCH WATER CAN YOU PUT ON THE CEDAR BREAKS IS GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW MUCH YOU HAVE ALREADY PUT THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS A MAXIMUM APPLICATION RATE FOR THE CEDAR BREAKS, JUST LIKE THERE'S A MAXIMUM APPLICATION RATE FOR THE LBGQ. SO, SO SO WHAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER TO MIKE'S QUESTION? WE'RE THAT'S THE WHAT HE'S SAYING. THERE'S BASICALLY NO ALTERNATIVE. YOU'VE ALREADY. YOU WILL REACH YOUR LIMIT AT THE CEDAR BREAKS, WHICH WE'VE DONE SEVERAL TIMES, AND. OR YOU HAVE TO GO TO HIGHLANDS, WHICH THE CITY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHTS TO WHICH IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ACTUALLY DO, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO USE SOME OF THE PRESSURE. 
          BUT YOU COULD WELL, YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE FIXING TO TAKE POND 17 OUT OF SERVICE. AND IF THIS LINE BREAKS, YOU KNOW, WE WE CAN WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF STORING 28 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. BUT IF YOU TAKE POND 17 OUT OF SERVICE, YOU LOSE ABOUT HALF OF IT. REALLY? AND HOW FULL IS THE CEDAR BREAKS? AND IF EL NINO HITS, HOW FAST ARE THESE PONDS GOING TO FILL UP? I MEAN, THIS DURING EL NINO IS NOT A TIME NOT TO HAVE A POND. OUR WAY TO GET RID OF THE EFFLUENT. TACTICALLY SPEAKING, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE REAL HARD. I MEAN, OF COURSE, YOU COULD TAKE THE PIPE UP AND TAKE THE CRACKED SECTION OUT AND REPLACE IT, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANOTHER SECTION IS NOT GOING TO GO. IF YOU POINTS OF FAILURE, THEN THE ANSWER IS NO. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE IS WHAT HE'S SAYING. GOTCHA. OKAY. DAVE, I HAVE THIS IS SUSIE AGAIN. I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED THIS, YOU SAID YOU HAD A MEETING. I DIDN'T HEAR WHO THE MEETING WAS WITH OR WHAT KIND OF MEETING IT WAS. AND THREE OUT OF FIVE OF YOU WANTED TO REPLACE THE PIPE. WHO? WHO WAS THIS MEETING? WHO WHO ARE WHO DID? IT WAS IRRIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE, BASICALLY IRRIGATION SUBCOMMITTEE I PASSED. NO, NO, NO, IT WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. OH, SORRY. MY FAULT. IT'S I PASS COMMITTEE THAT NORMA IS THE CHAIR OF IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOMETHING WE WE LOOK AT UTILITY PROJECTS ROAD PROJECTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THIS WAS ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE BECAME AWARE THAT THE TEN INCH LINE. WE TALKED ABOUT, THE THREE OF US SAID THIS LINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WHILE THE CREW WAS HERE. AND THAT WAS PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AGO, WAS THE REASON I WENT. THE REASON I WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS A GROSS ERROR IN JUDGMENT NOT TO REPLACE THAT LINE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS 
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IT COULD MEAN TO OUR ABILITY TO TO PLACE EFFLUENT UPON THE GOLF COURSE BEING THE PRIMARY THING. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE VIABLE DELIVERY SYSTEMS TO OUR DISPOSAL AREAS. AND PROBABLY EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GOLF COURSE, ONCE IT'S REBUILT AND WE MAKE IT A JEWEL AGAIN, THAT IT DOESN'T STARVE FOR WATER AND GO BACK INTO THE CONDITION IT'S IN RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REPLACE THE LINE WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE. BUT I DON'T CONSIDER REPLACING THIS LINE TO BE A GOLF COURSE EXPENSE. I CONSIDER IT TO BE AN EFFLUENT DISPOSAL DEPARTMENT EXPENSE BECAUSE IT'S A DELIVERY SYSTEM, NOT AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU DAVE. 
          THANKS FOR MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE ON A ON A WORK NIGHT. AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. 
          YEAH, IT'S I GOT THREE MORE DAYS IN BROWNWOOD AND THEN I'LL BE WRAPPING IT UP AND HEADING HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET ME KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO HELP. BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO WRITE THAT BASIC CHANGE. ORDER UP. THANK YOU. DAVE. ALL. OKAY. A LOT OF INFORMATION TO INGEST. STEWART, STEWART. DAVE STEWART USED TO RUN PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE CITY. YEAH, YEAH, I GET THAT NOW. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO PROMOTE PROPOSE A MOTION OR MAKE A MOTION OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. I WANT TO WAIT ON THAT. 
          WE'LL DO THAT IN A MINUTE BECAUSE I DO WANT TO GET BACK TO JESS. JESS HAS HEARD ALL THIS AND MAYBE HE'S GOT OTHER STUFF, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS, AND THEN I'LL LET YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION. WELL, I I'LL TALK ABOUT KIND OF THREE MAJOR AREAS. VERY BRIEFLY. YOU KNOW, EACH OF THOSE, THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED IN EACH OF THOSE AREAS. BUT NUMBER ONE, THE AND YOU, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE OR FACEBOOK OR OTHER PLACES, BUT THE CITY IS REORGANIZING ITS DEPARTMENTS AND PUTTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEVEL FOR FOUR OF THOSE IN PLACE, WHICH WILL HELP MOVE THINGS FORWARD AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE AT A HIGHER LEVEL, WHICH WHICH WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL. AND SO THOSE POSITIONS HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED YET. THOSE THOSE HAVE BEEN NAMED. AND SO THERE'S SO SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE, IS THAT THE CITY IS IN THE MIDST OF A REORGANIZATION. NUMBER TWO IS THAT WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH A STAFF CAPACITY TO TAKE ON PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING HAVE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE I THINK THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN FINALIZED WITH NICHOLS TO PROVIDE AN INTERIM ENGINEER, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A KEY PIECE OF, OF HAVING HAVING THE AVAILABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CREATE A CHANGE ORDER THAT WOULD, WITH THE EIGHT INCH PIPE BEING BEING ADEQUATE. AND THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP WAS, WAS JUST MENTIONED. IS THAT REALLY THE GOLF COURSE IS AN AFFLUENT AND EFFLUENT DISPOSAL SOURCE. SO IF, IF THERE IS A BREAK, I MEAN, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC EMERGENCY AND FUNDS WOULD HAVE TO BE FOUND TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND, AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION AT THE CITY COUNCIL AND WITH STAFF ABOUT LOOKING AT OUR OUR BUDGET AND OUR BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT, YOU KNOW, FISCAL YEAR IS IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MAJOR CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY MUST BE DONE. THIS IS THIS WAS NOT ON 
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THE LIST, BUT CERTAINLY BELONGS ON THE LIST, I BELIEVE. AND AND SO THOSE ARE ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE REVENUE WILL BE, WHETHER THAT IS, IS CUTS IN THE BUDGET IN OTHER AREAS, OR WHETHER THAT COMES OUT OF RESERVE FUNDS OR HOW HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT. NOW, IN THE CASE OF THE GOLF COURSE, THERE ARE BOND FUNDS AVAILABLE. 
          LEFT LEFT SAVINGS. SO WE WE DO HAVE THE BOND MONEY THAT WE CAN USE. HOWEVER, AGAIN, WE WE HAVE A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH PRIORITY CIP PROJECTS. SO AGAIN, IT'S A MATTER OF, OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING TO WEIGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES AND WHERE WOULD THE FUNDS COME FROM? I THINK STRONG ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE THAT THIS THIS PARTICULAR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS, IS REALLY VERY SMALL COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHERS. AND, AND IT MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE TO, TO, TO PROCEED WITH THAT. AND I THINK, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE SOME AGREEMENT ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT AMONG SOME OF THE MEMBERS THAT. YEAH, THIS MAKES SENSE. BUT AGAIN, THAT ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, DOES NEED TO BE MADE. BUT AGAIN, IT'S IT'S IT'S AN ISSUE OF NOT ONLY HAVING THE FUNDING, BUT HAVING A STAFF CAPACITY TO, TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THIS AND DO IT. SO THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY IS, IS, IS FACING THAT CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE FACING IN TERMS OF PRIORITY PRIORITIES, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS IN NOVEMBER, WHERE WE WILL BE FOCUSING ON 3 TO 5 HIGH PRIORITIES. THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO KEEP OUR CITY ATTENTION AND FOCUS AND OUR RESOURCES TO TO THESE HIGH PRIORITY AREAS. I, I, I THINK THERE WILL BE A CONSENSUS OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          NUMBER ONE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY TAKES FOR GRANTED WATER, SEWER, ROADS. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEARING IT, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED. AND I'VE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FROM, FROM DAY ONE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DECISIONS BEEN MADE IN THE PAST AND LOOKING AT THE STATE OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEMS IS THE OLD KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ONE MORE YEAR SO THAT WE, THE COUNCIL, DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? AND. BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU JUST. YOU CAN'T KICK IT ANY FURTHER. YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL. YOU'RE. YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE LIFESPAN OF, OF YOUR WATER, SEWER TREATMENT PLANTS AND YOUR PIPES. AND SO THOSE PROJECTS DO NEED TO BE WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. SO, SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE. SO YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE DEALING WITH AND CITY STAFF AND HOW DO WE, NUMBER ONE, FOCUS ON THE PRIORITIES, WHICH. AND AGAIN, I THINK OUR WATER SEWER ROAD SYSTEMS, THAT IS THAT IS A CITY'S PRIORITY. AND THEN FURTHER WHERE THE WHERE THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THIS YEAR AND WHAT MIGHT BE DELAYED, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER YEAR, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY EASIER, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE ALL THE SYSTEMS WILL JUST BE A YEAR, A YEAR OLDER, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR. AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF CATASTROPHIC FAILURE WILL BE INCREASED AND THE COST OF THAT WILL BE INCREASED. SO SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES. HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE. AND, AND THOSE ARE THOSE, ALL OF THOSE IMPACT, OF COURSE, ARE AND APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT RELATED TO OUR GOLF COURSE AND, AND OUR INVESTMENT IN THAT. BUT IT'S, IT IS A, A FLUID DISPOSAL SYSTEM. AND I, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY IN LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, APPLYING MORE OF THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO APPROPRIATELY THOSE COSTS TO THAT WHICH AGAIN, COULD COULD VERY WELL. AT LEAST FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT. BUT THE GOLF 
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COURSE AND THE BLACK BECAUSE IT'S BEING CHARGED FOR FOR EFFLUENT DISPOSAL, WHEN THAT REALLY IS PART OF OUR OF OUR WATER SEWER SYSTEMS. SO I GOT IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, AS FAR THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PRESSURE ON THE BUDGET. AND SO THE BUDGET, DOES THAT MEAN THE OPERATING BUDGET, DOES THAT MEAN THE CIP BUDGET OR DOES THAT MEAN ALL OF THE ABOVE? YOU KNOW, I HADN'T QUITE, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T ASKED ANYBODY ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM WHEN I WAS WORKING, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR BUDGETS, WE HAD CAPITAL AND OPERATING BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. AND THE FUNDING WAS, WAS DETERMINED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF CAPITAL STUFF OR THERE IS NO MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR DOING CAPITAL PROJECTS, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, IF YOU WILL? OR IS THAT UNDER PRESSURE AS WELL? WELL, IT'S ALL UNDER OKAY. ALL CHALLENGED AT THE, AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CIP MONIES LEFT AND THAT'S PART OF THE BATTLE. I IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT PRIORITIES FOR THAT MONEY THAT WAS LEFT OVER, THAT WASN'T USED FOR FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND, AND THAT'S BOND MONEY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. SO IT COULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, A, SOME RELATED, APPROPRIATELY RELATED PROJECT. SO BUT ANYWAY, YES, THOSE ARE LIMITED. THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT IS THAT AND, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS LOOKING AT APPLYING FOR A, A GRANT WHICH, WHICH COULD BE. IT, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A LOAN AT, AT LOW INTEREST RATE AND THAT WE COULD USE FOR OUR WATER SEWER SYSTEMS. IN OTHER WORDS, A BOND. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IT'S A BOND IS JUST A LOAN. YES. BOND IS A FREE MONEY. 
          YOU GOT TO PAY FOR IT WELL ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. RIGHT. AND SO THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT WHEN THAT'S WHEN THOSE IT'S LIKE A CREDIT CARD. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT AND YOU, YOU PUT PUT MONEY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU USE IT. THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH. SO THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE IN BOND FUNDING. 
          WELL, THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A IS THERE A PRESSURE ON THAT AS WELL? WELL, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT SOME ROOM. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CIP PROJECTS, WE CAN QUICKLY RUN OUT OF ROOM. AND SO AND THEN THE SECOND ISSUE THERE IS LIKE ON YOUR CREDIT CARD, WELL, IF YOU'RE JUST PAYING MINIMUM PAYMENTS, THE INTEREST RATE COULD ADD. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS, THIS, THIS LOAN THAT WE COULD GET, IT COULD ADD A, IT COULD ADD A 500,000. I HAVE A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THE BUDGET EXPENSE FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. AND IT'S A VARIABLE INTEREST RATE OR FIXED. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I AM NOT QUALIFIED REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE DETAILS, BUT IT IT WOULD BE A FIXED INTEREST RATE IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND WITH SOME MONEY BEING FORGIVEN. BUT THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN SOME MONEY COMMIT UPFRONT ON, ON THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THAT'S ALL TO BE DETERMINED. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE WERE TO, TO RECEIVE THAT, THAT, THAT LOAN. BUT YES, SO, SO THE BOND FUNDS WERE LIMITED, BUT EVERY TIME WE, WE TAKE OUT A BOND, THEN THAT JUST ADDS TO THE COST OF THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND, AND INCREASES THE PRESSURE ON OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THOSE, THE FUNDING TO PAY FOR THAT. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK WE, WE WOULD ONLY WANT TO USE THE BOND FUNDS WHEN WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO WHEN IT WAS A BIG PROJECT, NO WAY TO NO WAY TO FIND THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET. AND SO A BIG, A BIG CAPITAL PROJECT. SO, SO AGAIN, BUT THERE'S A LIMIT. AND IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE COULD BE, WE COULD BE HITTING THAT LIMIT. SO, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE GOT SOME CHALLENGES, SOME OF OUR CREDIT CARD ALL THAT TIME. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S AN ALLERGY TO CREDIT CARDS, RIGHT? YOU PUT IT ON A CREDIT CARD. YEAH. BUT THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE A CREDIT CARD INTEREST RATE. 
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OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU'RE BORROWING THE MONEY. YEAH. GAGE HAS A QUESTION. YEAH, JESS. AND I'M SORRY I SHOULD REMEMBER THIS, AND I DON'T. BUT IS THERE A THRESHOLD? UP TO THAT DEFINES HOW LARGE A CHANGE ORDER THE CITY CAN JUST SIGN OFF ON WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A BID PROCESS? WELL, A CHANGE ORDER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS. IS THERE A LIMIT ON THE SIZE OF A CHANGE ORDER? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT THE SIZE OF THE CHANGE ORDER THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED, IT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. I MEAN, CITY COUNCIL COULD APPROVE THAT. IT'S IT'S IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BID OUT AGAIN. NOW, IF THAT CONTRACTOR FINISHES THAT JOB, THEN THAT RAISES A WHOLE NOTHER QUESTION. AND I I'M NOT I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR CERTAIN, BUT THAT MIGHT REQUIRE THE PROJECT TO BE BID OUT. SO, SO AGAIN, A CHANGE CHANGE ORDER FOR, FOR A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY IN PROCESS WOULD BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE THING TO DO. OKAY, SO THANKS FOR THAT, THAT FEEDBACK. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE CITY'S REORGANIZING DEPARTMENTS AND OUR STAFF CAPACITY IS KIND OF AT A LOW POINT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, AT BEST WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AN INTERIM ENGINEER. WE MIGHT NOT. IS IT EVEN REALISTIC TO EXPECT CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION IN A TIMEFRAME THAT WHERE WE CAN GET THIS DONE WHILE THE CONTRACTOR IS STILL ON SITE WITHOUT IMPACTING THE OUR MID JANUARY COMPLETION DATE, WHICH WASN'T EVEN REALISTIC? YEAH, WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN IN NOVEMBER. 
          OKAY. AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM ON, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SOON IN THOSE HAVE TO BE POSTED, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. SO YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S THE TIME. YEAH. THE TIME IS, IS, IS PASSING QUICKLY AND, AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF SOON. BUT, AND AS I MENTIONED, A, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EITHER DONE OR CLOSE TO DONE IN TERMS OF HAVING AN INTERIM ENGINEER PROVIDED BY FREESE. NICHOLS. SO I WAS JUST READING UPDATE RECENTLY, AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE EITHER HAVE THAT CONTRACT SIGNED OR CLOSE TO IT. SO, SO WE, WE WILL HAVE. NOW THAT ENGINEER HAS. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS AND A LOT OF REPAIRS AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, LINED UP. SO AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE HEARING, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE HAVE TO'S THAT HAVE TO BE DONE. YOU'RE AWARE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONTINUING BREAKS THAT ARE MAJOR BREAKS IN OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. AND SO. AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN EMERGENCY REPAIRS, $150,000, EMERGENCY REPAIRS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE GOT SOME REAL CHALLENGES. THANK YOU. HAVE TWO DAYS TO GET AN AGENDA. TWO DAYS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THERE A WEEK BEFORE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YEAH. YEAH. THAT ROUGHLY. YES. AND WE WE WOULD IF WE IF WE VOTED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, IF WE VOTED THAT WE WANTED TO DO THAT, THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO SUBMIT THE COST NUMBERS TO YOU SO THAT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. SINCE YOU'RE OUR LIAISON, IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BASICALLY IT WOULD NEED TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AND, AND I WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO, TO DO THAT. THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE READY TO, TO VOTE ON IT, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT'S BEEN PUT ON THE AGENDA. 
          NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE A, A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH, WITH INPUT FROM, FROM CITY STAFF. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE ENGINEER IS AVAILABLE, WE NEED THAT INPUT. SO, SO AS, AS DAVE WAS SAYING THAT EVEN BEFORE A CHANGE ORDER CAN BE FINALIZED, REALLY AN ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT TIME TO, TO, TO DO IT AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, NOT GET THE APPROVAL, BUT AT LEAST PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          YES. AND THEN THEY COULD DO THEIR ACTION ITEMS TO VET IT. AND THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DECIDE. AND THAT SHOULD BE BEFORE THANKSGIVING, WHICH IS 
          [01:25:01]
WHAT. YEAH, RIGHT. IS PROBABLY THE LAST THING. YEAH. THE LAST MEETING, THE LATEST. WE COULD WAIT. YES. SO THERE'S NO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, IF I REMEMBER. RIGHT. WELL, SOMETIMES WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS CALLED AND BUT BUT YEAH, THAT THAT REMAINS POTENTIALLY NOT SO. SO BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT WOULD NEED TO BE ON THE AGENDA TO, TO DISCUSS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO AGREE TO GET INPUT, TO AGREE AND, AND INSTRUCT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF TO HAVE AN ENGINEER WEIGH IN AND, AND PREPARE A CHANGE ORDER. AND THEN AND THEN THE FOLLOWING MEETING IN, IN, IN NOVEMBER, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO BE VOTED ON AND PASSED. AND WE IS IT LEGAL TO GIVE THE CONTRACTOR A HEADS UP THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT SO HE CAN AT LEAST POSITION HIS EMPLOYEES IN CASE THERE'S A YES WITHOUT IMPACTING OUR OUR JANUARY COMPLETION DATE, OR IS THAT ILLEGAL? WELL, THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AT AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IF IF THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TO BE AS AS THE SUBJECT TO BE DISCUSSED, JUST GIVE ME A HEADS UP. NOT, NOT NOT A COMMITMENT. SO I DON'T YES, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, LEGALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. BUT BUT BUT IT IT SO AGAIN, I THINK IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDER AND NEEDING AN ENGINEER TO WEIGH IN ON, ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, AND THEN GETTING, BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT TO THE CONTRACTOR TO GIVE US A, A, A PRICE. AND, AND IF THAT'S ALL DONE, THEN I THINK IT'S A NOVEMBER THE 17TH. BUT FOR, FOR THAT MEETING, THEN WE COULD, WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE ALL OF IT TOGETHER. WE'D KNOW WHAT THE COST WAS. WE WOULD KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD INPUT IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER PRIORITIES WERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM, AND WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A. 
          YOU KNOW, I COULD MAKE A MOTION THEN AT THAT POINT FOR APPROVAL. OKAY, I'M AN ATTORNEY. AND IF JESS IS WILLING TO. AND DAVE IS WILLING TO, I'LL HELP YOU GUYS PUT THAT CONTRACT TOGETHER AS A DRAFT AND SEE IF WE CAN EVEN ADDRESS THE ENGINEERING ISSUE SO THAT IT'S ALMOST A PACKAGE DEAL FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, I CAN I CAN DO IT ON MY OWN IF YOU'RE WILLING TO. I'LL HELP YOU GUYS WITHOUT GETTING PAID. I'M KIND OF RETIRED. I DO OTHER STUFF. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? HAYNES. FRAZER HINES. YEAH. FRAZER HINES. GREATER. AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT A GOLFER. 
          MY KIDS PLAY TENNIS. HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? I'M SORRY, GRETHER. I'VE GOT DAVE'S CARD. 
          I'LL. I'LL CALL HIM. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO DO THIS. YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DOGS IN THE FIGHT. YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THING. BUT WHAT I HEARD. SORRY. I'M GOING TO BE. SHE ASKED ME TO COME WHEN I HEARD ADAM BENEFIELD POSITION ON PRESSURE PIPE. AND THE WAY HE WAS, LIKE, TRYING TO STRONG ARM IT. I'M SORRY. THAT'S UNWISE. I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GOLF ISSUE. IT'S AN EFFLUENT ISSUE. IT'S A WASTEWATER ISSUE. IT'S A WATER QUALITY ISSUE. RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT ALREADY BEING ON SOME VERY BAD NAUGHTY LISTS. AND HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU DO? ONE THING THAT I HEARD HIM SAY WAS WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FINED. OH, WELL, WHAT HE'S WHAT HE SAID. YEAH. YOU GOT YOU GOT FINED. NO, I KNOW THAT. BUT HE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ALL WE'VE BEEN FINED FOR YET. 
          THEY KIND OF GIVE IT OUT AT THE END OF THE EVERY FOUR YEARS, EVERY. WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN FINED FOR. AND WE KNOW THERE'S MORE FUNDS COMING. THERE SHOULD BE. AND IF YOU HAVE LIKE A. I SEE A FINE EVERY TIME I PLAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? MUCH OF A PERFECT STORM FOR YOU GUYS TO LIKE REALLY HAVE PROBLEMS. NO, I AGREE, I MEAN, I PUT IT TO ME, IT'S LIKE ME REMODELING MY HOUSE, BUT I LEAVE THE 1980S PANELING STILL UP WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WELL, THAT'S SAD, BUT IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD I DO THAT? YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU FINISH THE PROJECT TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. SO AND LESSONS LEARNED. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN 
          [01:30:01]
THE CITY LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS IRRIGATION PROJECT AT ONE TIME, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, JESS, THAT COUNCIL TENDS TO KICK THINGS DOWN THE DOWN THE WAY. AT ONE POINT IT WAS A HALF THE COST OF WHAT WE ENDED UP PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE WE JUST KEPT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE FINALLY DECIDED TO DO IT, WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, IT WAS $2 MILLION MORE A COUPLE OF DECADES AGO. THIS WASN'T A IRRIGATION PROJECT. THIS WAS A WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT OUR WASTEWATER? NO, I KNOW SO AND YOU GUYS WERE LIKE, IT WAS A HUGE PROBLEM. YES. SO WE ARE STILL AT THAT. AND IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T RECHARACTERIZE IT AS A IRRIGATION PROBLEM. NO, IT'S A FLUENT WATER DISPOSAL SYSTEM. AND WE AND WE'VE TRIED TO WE'VE TRIED TO I KNOW PEOPLE IN THIS COUNCIL OR IN THIS COMMITTEE AND, AND EVEN THE FRIENDS I HAVE AND STUFF WE'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN EXPLAIN THAT TO CITIZENS WHO TAKE IT AS WELL. 
          YOU JUST WANT THIS NICE, BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, THAT'S A BYPRODUCT OF WHAT THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS TO BE DOING, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. SO I JUST ADD ONE THING. AND, YOU KNOW, I THERE'S BEEN SOME PUSHBACK IN TERMS OF THIS. 
          COMMITTEE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE TAKEN THE POSITION POSITION THAT THIS AFFECTS THE GOLF COURSE. IN TERMS OF REVENUE AND IMPACT ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLAYABILITY OF THE GOLF COURSE. AND SO BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT ISN'T AFFLUENT, WHICH WHICH GOES TO ANOTHER. NO, I AGREE, THE I PASS COMMITTEE WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT. 
          IT'S THE GRAY AREA, BUT WE STILL BOTH HAVE IT. THAT STILL AFFECTS BOTH BOTH PARTIES. SO SO SO SO YEAH, SO YOU CAN USE YOUR TOILETS ANYMORE. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU NEED. YEAH I AGREE. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IN CASE, IN CASE YOU YOU HEAR THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU ALL WEIGHING IN OR WHAT. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING? A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PAST. I TEND TO JUST DISMISS IT. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JESS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION IN GENERAL, I GUESS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHETHER THIS THIS MAIN LINE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL IRRIGATION BID, THE ONE THAT WAS THAT THEY THREW OUT CAME BACK. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF JESS CAN EVEN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE HE WASN'T HERE. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. I, I, I DON'T I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. AND, AND I HAVEN'T HAD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT GOT CANCELED. YEAH. IF I RECALL, I WAS HERE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS. 
          I DON'T, I THINK ALWAYS I THOUGHT I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT WAS SEPARATE FOR SOME REASON. 
          YEAH. I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM DAVE THAT IT WAS YEAH, SEPARATE. BUT I DON'T KNOW EITHER. BUT I'M JUST. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO WITH THAT. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF SEPARATE. BUT NO, I MEAN IT'S TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PUT A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM FOR THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR FLUID DISPOSAL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND THEN NOT AND THEN NOT FIX THE MAIN LINE THAT GOES TO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. SO. CORRECT. SO YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GOING TO GO BACK AND I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU. NOW. I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST HEAR WHAT JESS HAD TO SAY BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR MOTION. BUT I'M I'M GONNA LET YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, THOUGH, IF YOU'D LIKE MUCH APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETIMES I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING A LITTLE. THE ANSWER THAT I ANSWER THAT I THINK I HEARD WAS, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PURSUE THIS. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO. THERE'S A SLIVER OF A CHANCE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT. I WOULD SAY THIS. I WISH WE KNEW ABOUT THIS THREE MONTHS AGO. YEAH, NOT NOT WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS GOT BASICALLY EIGHT WEEKS LEFT. IF IT'S A WEEK OF HOLE. YEAH. SO NO, YOU'RE THROWING A HAIL MARY. SO THROW YOUR HAIL MARY. YEAH. MOTION HERE. SO WE DO WE VOTE. 
          THE MOTION IS THAT WE PREPARE A CHANGE ORDER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT A SAMPLE PRO FORMA OR WHAT DO WE WANT TO CALL IT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL ANYWAY WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE THIS CHANGE ORDER IN 48 HOURS TIME. SO WITHIN 48 HOURS SO THAT JESS HALL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, IF HE AGREES TO PUT IT ON THE 11TH NOVEMBER FIFTH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA. THAT'S THE MOTION. WELL, AND AND. PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS. I HAD MOTION IT. WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE CHANGE THE PROPOSED CHANGE. WE'RE GOING TO YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO CREATE A PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER AND PRESENT IT TO OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON IN HOPES THAT HE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 5TH. RIGHT. AND I'LL ASK HIM TO DO THE TEN INCH PIPE, SINCE THAT'S THE 
          [01:35:05]
MOST EXPENSIVE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE NUMBER. IF THEY WANT TO REDUCE IT WITH AN EIGHT INCH, THAT'S FINE. BUT THEY COULD THE ENGINEER CAN LOOK AT THAT AT A LATER DATE. 
          YES. GAGE. YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED ON THIS, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY THINK THE PIPE HAS GOT TO BE REPLACED. BUT IN TERMS OF US ACTUALLY DRAFTING THE LANGUAGE OF A CHANGE ORDER, I THINK IS GETTING INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. I WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF US. STRONGLY RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL THAT THEY APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER, LET THEM DEVELOP THE CHANGE ORDER, BUT THAT THAT THEY APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER THAT ALLOWS THE CONTRACTOR TO REPLACE THAT TRANSMISSION PIPE BEFORE THE END OF THE CURRENT PROJECT. YEAH. THEN LET COUNCIL AND STAFF TAKE IT FROM THERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY. WELL, I WILL SAY HOLD ON. LET ME ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE SAT ON OUR HANDS AND WAITED FOR THE CITY TO DO X, Y, AND Z. AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, IT DOESN'T HURT IF WE FIND THE PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN MAYBE SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN THEN GO WITH AT LEAST. AND THAT'S WHY I'M CALLING IT A CHANGE ORDER PROPOSAL. IF DAVE STEWART IS WILLING TO DRAFT THAT UP. WE GOT MR. GREGOR WHO SAID HE WOULD ASSIST AS WELL. I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH US HAVING THAT DOCUMENTATION AND PRESENTING IT TO JESS, WHO CAN THEN DECIDE AT THAT TIME WHAT WHAT TO DO. BY NO MEANS IS IT AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT BY ANY MEANS. IT'S JUST US KIND OF PUTTING THINGS OUT THERE, ALMOST LIKE A QUOTE, ALMOST LIKE A CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATE. WE GO FROM THERE AND IF IT'S DONE, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. IF WE HAD A LONGER RUNWAY, GAGE'S APPROACH WOULD WORK. WE HAVE A PRETTY SHORT RUNWAY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A LITTLE UNREALISTIC TO EVEN TRY TO DO THIS. BUT WE GOT TO AT LEAST TRY. AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING IT'S A HAIL MARY. AND I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, IT DOESN'T HURT FOR US TO KIND OF TAKE THAT HAIL MARY APPROACH. WE SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTATION. LIKE I SAY, IT'S CONCEPTUAL. IF THE CITY TAKES IT, IT TAKES IT, BUT THEN WE CAN KIND OF WALK AWAY KNOWING THAT WE PROVIDED EVERYTHING WE WANTED TO, TO PROVIDE. AND IF THEY SIT ON IT, THEY SIT ON IT. 
          AT THAT POINT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AT THAT POINT. ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? WELL, I JUST THAT WHAT GAGE SAID WOULD BE NORMALLY THE, THE, THE COURSE AND THE BEST WAY TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT AS, AS MICHAEL WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME LEFT TO, TO. AND SO, SO MAYBE THIS REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE. WELL, I'M TAKING THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE. BASED ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT LACK OF. WHAT WAS IT SOMETHING ABOUT CITY LACK OF STAFF, LACK OF STAFF THAT I WANT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. THAT'S ONE MAIN REASON I'M GOING THIS ROUTE. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO HELP US SO WELL AND AND SO, SO IT WON'T IT WON'T HURT ANYTHING TO HAVE IT MIGHT HELP TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          IF IF THERE'S AT LEAST PART OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING AN ENGINEER INVOLVED AND CITY STAFF INVOLVED TO THE POINT OF SAYING, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT ELSE DOES THIS CONTRACT NEED TO SAY? OR IS IT A EIGHT INCH INSTEAD OF TEN INCH? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. AND, AND ALL THE BID INFORMATION IS IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. AND DAVE HAS ACCESS TO THAT SO HE CAN QUOTE IT TO THE PENNY BASED ON WHATEVER THEY JUST DECIDE. SO ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, THAT'S MY JOB. OH, HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THE RULES? BUT THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR FROM FROM MR. FOR MIKE'S PROPOSAL, I FIRE MYSELF. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY NAYS? NAY. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. WE APPRECIATE. WE RESPECT THE NAME GAGE. IT'S FOURTH AND 44. HAIL MARY. YES, IT'S A HAIL MARY IN THE GAME. ALL RIGHT. WRAPPING 
          [IV.1. Approval of the September 22, 2026, Golf Course Advisory Committee Minutes.]
THINGS UP REAL QUICK. WE JUST NEED TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2026. MOVE TO APPROVE. SEE THAT GAGE REAL QUICK TO COME BACK ON THE YAY SIDE. GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. THAT MOTION APPROVES. ALL RIGHT. WAY TO GO. 
          [IV.2. Discussion, consideration, and possible action regarding GCAC 2026-2027 Work Plan Activities.]
THE LAST TWO THINGS WE'RE GOING TO JUST PUSH OFF BECAUSE WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WORK PLAN WISE. AND IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE 2020 THAT IS 2026 2027. I THOUGHT IT WAS 28. 
          [01:40:02]
CAN CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THE WORK PLAN? I ACTUALLY REQUEST, JESS, WHEN YOU GET TIME DURING YOUR LIAISON UPDATES, COULD YOU JUST PUT SOME FEELERS OUT TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORKING ON THIS COMING YEAR, PLEASE? OKAY. YEAH, WE NEED WE DO NEED SOME. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? AND I DO THINK THAT WE NEED THAT DIRECTION TO. SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHEELS. AND I HAVEN'T PUSHED IT REALLY BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP, IS THAT WHATEVER THE TEN YEAR PLAN WAS CALLED? WE WERE WORKING ON THAT FOR A WHILE. AND THAT KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. AND, AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAS BEEN THINGS THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO WAIT. I MEAN, UNTIL GREG IS READY, I THINK TILL HIS GRAND OPENING, AND THEN WE CAN GO TO GREG AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? OR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ASK US? BUT I KNOW GREG IS VERY. AND I DON'T BLAME HIM. HE'S VERY SENSITIVE TO US TRYING TO OVERSTEP AND TRYING TO DO THINGS WHEN HE'S NOT READY FOR IT YET OR DOESN'T FEEL HE'S READY FOR IT. DO YOU WANT MIKE AND MIKE TO INTERVIEW THE NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE WE DID? LIKE WE DO? WELL, THAT'LL BE DISCUSSED IN JANUARY. SO NO, TO GET REQUIREMENTS LIKE GET FEEDBACK FROM WHAT CITY? OH YEAH. I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH JESS JUST DOING IT IN OPEN SESSION AND ASKING THEM. I WOULD LIKE FOR JESS IF HE'S OUR LIAISON AND IF NOT, WHOEVER IS THE LIAISON FOR NEXT YEAR FOR JESS, AT LEAST PASS THAT OFF TO THAT PERSON. IF JESS IS NOT HERE NEXT YEAR, HE IS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HE CAN BRING IT UP TO US IN JANUARY BECAUSE WE WILL NOT MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY UNLESS THERE IS A SPECIAL REQUEST FOR SOMEBODY TO MEET. AND BEFORE THAT TIME, WELL, IDEALLY THIS WOULD BECOME PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS. THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO THROUGH. AND SO THAT WILL KIND OF GUIDE. WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT OTHER COMMITTEES, HOW THEY WILL FEED INTO THAT. SO COME SOME DIRECTION THEY COME FROM FROM THOSE PLANNING SESSIONS. BUT THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT BE ALL IN 
          [IV.3. Discussion, consideration, and possible action regarding Golf Course Advisory Committee (GCAC) Future Meeting Dates.]
PLACE BY JANUARY, RIGHT? YES. GOOD. YEAH. OUR NOVEMBER 1ST WOULD BE. NOVEMBER 24TH. I'M SURE MOST OF US ARE NOT GOING TO BE AROUND HERE IN NOVEMBER 24TH. THAT'S TWO DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING. AND THEN AFTER THAT SAME THING, THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS. SO WE GENERALLY THE LAST ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE NEVER MET IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER. SO. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. LIKE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE NEED TO MEET ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM LIKE CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING. WE JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MEET UP. I'LL HAVE TO SEE IF WE HAVE. WE CAN GET IN HERE ON A CERTAIN DAY. I HAVE TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR A WEEK. SO I'M NOT SAYING WE WON'T MEET IF WE NEED TO. SO THERE. MY UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WOULD IT BE WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR US TO ATTEND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED? IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA, I DO THINK IF ANY OF US CAN COME, THAT'D BE NICE FOR US TO BE HERE. DO WE NEED MGA OR WGA TO BE REPRESENTED? I DON'T THINK SO AT THIS TIME. NOT NOT QUITE. I THINK THIS IS KIND OF OUR STUFF. OKAY. I MEAN, WE CAN TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY TELL THEM MY MEMBERS AND THE MGA, I'M SURE SUSIE CAN TELL HER PEOPLE TOO, IF THEY WANT TO COME TO COME TO JUST HAVE SUPPORT, TREAT IT LIKE THE FLOCK CAMERAS, YOU MIGHT GET SOMEWHERE. SO, SO SHOW UP HERE AND DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO. JANUARY WHAT OUR NEXT MEETING, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING WILL NOT BE TILL JANUARY. AND DO WE HAVE A SAY HERE? IT'S JANUARY, THE DECEMBER BACK 2027. JANUARY THE 1ST TWO THREE. JANUARY 26TH. 26TH. TUESDAY. SOMEBODY ALL YOUR TWO YEAR COMMITMENT MIGHT BE UP. SO YOU NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO RE-UP OR NOT. AND BY THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN, TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS IS YOUR COMMITMENT. TWO YEARS. SO, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY RE-UPPED AND YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SECOND TERM OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ALL BEEN ON HERE THAT LONG OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT ALSO BE THINKING OF THAT AS WELL. SO IF YOU DECIDE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RETURN NEXT YEAR, JUST SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND LET ME KNOW THAT, HEY, WE I'M NOT GOING TO. ARE YOU RETURNING THAT? I'M NOT SURE YET. WE'LL SEE. SO. YES, I WAS HIS WIFE. DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO ASK HER. NO, I GOTTA I GOTTA I STILL WORK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE WORK. AND I'M ALSO GOING TO BE VP OF THE MGA. SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT TIME SCHEDULE AND ALL THAT. SO THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM. SO ANYWAY, YOU CAN DO IT. WE'LL SEE. SO ALWAYS SAY I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN I END UP SAYING YES AT THE END. ALL RIGHT. I MOTION TO ADJOURN MOVE TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. 
          [01:45:06]
SECOND MOTION IS EVERYBODY SAY YAY YAY YAY. ALL RIGHT.
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