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IT'S 6:30

[00:00:01]

AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION TO ORDER.

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE ROLL CALL OF FRANK ROBBINS.

I'M HERE, JIM CASON.

HERE.

JAMES LEE.

HERE.

LAURA SADA.

SHE HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

JEFF COBLE.

HERE.

JEFF MCCULLOUGH.

HE HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

DAVE SNYDER.

HERE.

OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON IS WITH US.

AND OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR IS WITH US, GIANCARLO PATENO.

WELCOME, SIR.

THANK YOU.

YOU HAVING FUN YET? SURE.

THAT'S A GOOD THING.

NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENTS.

SAYING THERE ARE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE

[III.STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS]

TO STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS, ROUTINE REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL LIAISON.

UH, GENTLEMEN, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAD, UM, UDC HAS NOT BEEN, HASN'T MET IN A LONG, LONG TIME, BUT, UH, IT'S COUNCIL'S WISHES THAT WE GET THAT IMPLEMENTED AGAIN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, WE SHOULD BE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AGAIN.

UH, I KNOW FRANK THAT YOU ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE WITH ME AS WELL.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE $250,000 ASK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CIP, UM, ISSUE THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR.

UH, START CONDEMNING BUILDINGS DID NOT GET INCLUDED ON THE BUDGET, BUT WE ARE DOING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR IT, UH, AS AN ASK.

WE HAVE FOUND SOME MONEY WITHIN THE BUDGET.

IT'S VERY.

WE FOUND A COUPLE OF THINGS WE CAN CUT AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND IT.

WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT MAKING ANY PROMISES JUST NOW, BUT WE ARE LOOKING, UM, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES AND DWAYNE IS ON BOARD WITH GETTING SOME OF THIS, UH, TAKEN CARE OF.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID LOSE OUR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER THAT WE HAD HIRED.

THEY WEREN'T HERE VERY LONG.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING ANOTHER ONE ONBOARDED.

AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TOMORROW AND LET YOU KNOW.

UM, BUT THERE WERE 10, I BELIEVE 10 PROPERTIES PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED.

FIVE WERE, WERE PRETTY HIGH PRIORITY, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE OF FUNDING.

UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW THAT ONCE YOU START TO DIM BUILDINGS, UH, YOU HAVE TO ACT ON IT.

YOU CAN'T JUST CONDEMN THEM AND LET IT GO.

SO, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN IT UP.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU OTHER THAN, FRANK, THANK YOU FOR SITTING IN ON THAT LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE DID BRING THAT FORWARD.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TYPOS THAT, UH, TIM WAS GOING TO GET ADDRESSED.

UH, ALSO LEGAL WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO BRINGING BACK.

AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

YEAH.

YES.

MM-HMM.

CAN I ASK A MINUTE QUESTION? SURE.

SO YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THE 250,000 DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND SOME MONEY FOR IT.

WE'VE ALREADY FOUND 1.3, BUT YES.

BUT I KIND OF FELT LIKE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT WHEN WE START THE PROCESS, IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY AND DRAWN OUT PROCESS.

SO INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL WE'RE SURE WE HAVE MONEY, AREN'T THERE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT WE CAN START GETTING OUR FEET WET AND START GETTING USED TO THE PROCESS AND LEARNING THE PROCESS AND BRINGING WHO'S ON BOARD AND TAKE THE SIMPLER ONES, TAKE THE ONES THAT DON'T NEED MUCH OF A BUDGET AND IT'S MORE JUST PRESSING THE CURRENT LAND OWNER TO DO WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

ABSOLUTELY.

CAN WE, CAN WE BE MOVING WITH THOSE AT LEAST? I FULLY AGREE.

UM, WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES MANAGER.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE METHODS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE ALREADY.

MM-HMM.

UM, AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT.

RIGHT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO WE CAN PUT SOME OF THESE STUFF OUT FOR OUR QUEUES FOR BID.

UM, AND THEN IF IT COMES BACK BEFORE WE GET THE FINAL NOTICE ON A CONDEMNATION, I MEAN, WE SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US.

EVEN IF WE READJUST THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROPERTIES IN OUR MINDS TO THE SIMPLER ONES FIRST, IT WILL GIVE US ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET USED TO THE SYSTEM, THE PROCESS, NAIL A COUPLE EASY ONES DOWN.

I THINK WE SHOULD.

I THINK WE SHOULD AS WELL.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS ON RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BUT I AGREE.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE, UH, SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT EXISTING LIENS.

WE'LL HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THOSE.

UM, AND I KNOW DWAYNE WAS LOOKING INTO THEM.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE A FIFTH LIEN HOLDER ON A PROPERTY.

I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS THAT AT ALL.

UM, IF WE PUT $15,000 INTO CLEAN UP ON IT, BUT SOMEBODY ALREADY

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HAS - RIGHT.

$100,000 WORTH OF A LIEN AGAINST IT, WINDS UP GOING TO AUCTION, HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO RECOUP? RIGHT.

UM, SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND MINDFUL OF THAT.

THEN YOU'RE JUST DOING SOMEBODY ELSE'S WORK FOR THEM.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S NO POINT.

ARE, ARE WE JUST, THERE WAS FOUR, WASN'T THERE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT? THERE WAS, I BELIEVE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED 10, BUT FOUR OR FIVE WERE HIGH PRIORITY.

HIGHER PRIORITY.

ONE HAD A TRAILER BURNED ON IT OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

AND THEN THERE WAS ONE THAT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY HIGH UP THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COST PROHIBITIVE FOR US.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOME RQS ON IT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME, I BELIEVE, HAZARDOUS WASTE AND MATERIAL OUT THERE THAT'S - OH BOY.

YEAH.

BUT AGAIN, NOT ALL THOSE NEED TO BE LEVELED TO, TO DIRT.

THEY CAN, THEY JUST NEED TO BE MADE SAFE AND SO THAT THEY'RE NOT AN EYESORE.

SO ONE OF THEM WAS A SLAB.

IF WE JUST STRIP, STRIP THE SLAB, YOU CAN LEAVE THE SLAB AND IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF AN EYESORE TO MAKE IT SAFE.

THE TRASH.

THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS TRASH.

THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS A SLAB WITH REBAR THAT WAS JUST STICKING UP.

SO LITERALLY THAT COULD JUST BE CUT.

THOSE REBARS COULD BE CUT DOWN AND GROUND OUT.

MM-HMM.

UM, SO A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT HAD THE REBAR ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OVER BY HANCOCK PARK, I THINK.

YEAH.

AND IT'S, THERE'S NOT A SLAB.

THERE'S FORMS. YEAH.

AND THERE MAY BE SOME CONCRETE, SOME WORK, BUT THERE'S JUST, YEAH, THERE'S LOTS.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS JUST GOING AND CUTTING ALL THE, THE REBAR OUT WOULD - I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE US WAIT EIGHT MONTHS AND THEN FORGET EVERYTHING THAT WE WORKED ON AND START OVER.

ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S PICK SOME EASY ONES AND GET IT TO WHERE WE'RE PERFECT AT IT.

AND THEN WHEN WE GOT SOME MONEY, THEY'RE SLAM DUCKS.

OKAY.

MY THOUGH.

IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT, I CAN BRING THAT UP TO COUNCIL TOMORROW IN THE LIAISON REPORT HERE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD.

UM, BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG APPETITE FOR IT NOW.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES BACK ON BOARD, WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME SUPPORT AND SOME IDEAS ON, UM, FUNDING AS WELL ON HOW, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE CAN GET THIS OUT.

I DID SPEAK TO ERIC PREVIOUSLY.

UM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE THAT IF WE THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVER 50,000, UM, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OFF THE BUT WE ALREADY HAVE CONTRACTORS, UM, IN THE SYSTEM SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO VET OR BRING IN NEW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW PEOPLE.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES? IS THAT BRINGING IT INTO OUR COMMUNITY OR WHAT? WHAT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? I'M SORRY.

UH, SO IT'S - DEVELOPMENT SER - I'M SO SORRY.

YOU MEAN THE DEPARTMENT? YEAH.

YEAH.

WHAT - OH MY GOODNESS.

YEAH.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TAKES CARE OF SERVICING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES GETTING BUILDING PERMIT, STAFFING OUR WORK.

OKAY.

STAFFING PNC, THAT'S ZONING CASES AND PLATS AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, STAFFING THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ANSWERING A MILLION QUESTIONS ABOUT BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? YEAH.

SITE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL TOO, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? WELL, YEAH.

YEAH.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING OR, OR GET A ZONING CASE OR PLAT IT SO YOU CAN SELL THE LOTS.

OKAY.

HE'S THE GUY.

ALL RIGHT.

THE TEAM.

THAT HIM.

THE TEAM IS THE GUY.

I CAN SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH YOU ON THAT IF YOU, BUT - IT'S VERY, UH, VERY COMPLEX IF YOU MAKE IT COMPLEX, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW IT TO BE.

WELL SAID.

THANK YOU.

THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR AND I ARE SCHEDULED TO MEET NEXT WEEK.

I HAVE A LIST OF ISSUES.

ONE OF THEM IS PROCESS OF UNSAFE BUILDINGS.

AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME TECHNICAL THINGS THAT PROBABLY HAVE NOT BEEN DONE YET.

THE, IT'S THE.

IS IT CODE ENFORCEMENT UNDERNEATH HIM TOO? IS THAT...

YES.

YEAH, OKAY.

BUT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AT ALL.

SO WE HAD HIRED ONE AND SHE PUT IN HER NOTICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHE LEFT THAT DAY OR IF SHE GAVE TWO WEEKS.

UM, I CAN CONFIRM WITH OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TOMORROW.

WOW.

UM, SHE WAS, UH, HAVING SOME PRETTY BAD DIFFICULTIES WITH RESIDENTS HERE, UM, JUST REFUSING TO COMPLY, UM, OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CODES EXIST HERE.

UM, EVEN AFTER NUMEROUS TEACHINGS, THEY JUST WANTED TO ARGUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT SHE WAS IN A POSITION...

SHE SHOULDN'T BE IN, BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE SHE WAS ARGUING WITH, WITH RESIDENTS AT ALL.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT ESCALATED TO THAT POINT, BUT SHE BECAME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE VERY QUICKLY.

SO, SO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN LAGO VISTA

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HAS TO GO THROUGH HIM.

NOT JUST HIM.

IT'S, UH, A WHOLE DEPARTMENT.

SO PLANNING, ZONING, PERMITTING, UH, INSPECTIONS.

BUT HE'S OVER IT ALL, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY.

GOOD JOB, HUH? IT'S MY THIRD DAY.

AND, AND CLIFF'S NOT WITH US, BUT HE'S A PE, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.

UM, NOT A AICP.

THAT'S TRUE.

BUT I HAVE A GOOD BENCH IN ST.

NICHOLS THAT ARE SUPPORTING ME WITH THOSE CERTIFICATIONS FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.

NEXT ITEM'S A RETAIN REPORT FROM THE CITY STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? I DO NOT HAVE ANY UPDATES AT THIS TIME.

NEXT

[IV.1.Discussion and possible action an ordinance adopting the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code with local amendments, keeping the International Code Congress code amendments in the code of ordinances, and that addresses fees, permit expiration, and requires owed to city fines and fees to be paid before permitting]

ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE WITH LOCAL AMENDMENTS.

KEEPING THE INTERNATIONAL CODE CONGRESS CODE AMENDMENTS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCE.

AND THE ORDINANCE ALSO ADDRESSES FEES, PERMIT EXPIRATION, UH, AND REQUIRES THE FINES TO BE PAID BEFORE PERMITTING.

THE LONGER STORIES AND THE BACKUP, THE SHORT STORY, THE STAFF THINKS THAT SEPARATING THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS OUT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CREATES CONFUSION.

I AGREE.

SO FUNDAMENTALLY, THIS IS A DO-OVER FROM WHAT WE DID IN JULY, AND YOU'LL SEE THE MINUTES, SO THAT WE SIMPLY ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL CODE CONGRESS SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE WITH THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

NOW I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT PAGE EIGHT OF THE, UH, PACKET, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, SECTION 3.109, THE RED LINE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHAT WE HAD TO PROVE BEFORE.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IT...

I CAN'T...

I LOOKED ONLINE AND THIS SECTION, PERMITS AND APPROVALS IS 3.110.

DID WE...

HAVE WE CHANGED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? WE DID MAKE A COUPLE CHANGES WHERE NUMBERS SLID.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.

THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED AND THE NUMBERS WERE SLIDING AS WE WENT.

OKAY.

YOU MEAN 3.100? UH, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS 3.110 ON THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, UH, THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE ONLINE RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT.

3.110 IS PERMITS AND APPROVALS, I BELIEVE.

BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CHECK.

I MEAN - WELL, LET ME MAKE SURE.

LET...

WHAT, WHAT'S THE CORRECTION? HUH? THE NUMBER? HE'S SAYING THAT SECTION 3.107 SAYS PERMITS AND APPROVALS.

HE BELIEVES THAT SHOULD BE 3.110 INSTEAD OF 3.107.

IT IS.

I'LL BET YOU A TIME THAT'S CORRECT.

YES.

THAT'S...

107 SHOULD HAVE BEEN - IT IS CURRENTLY.THAT'S CORRECT.

IT IS CURRENTLY 1.10.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

THAT'S A TYPO.

OKAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YOU WANT GRAMMARICAL CORRECTIONS TOO? PARDON ME? YOU WANT GRAMMAR CORRECTIONS TOO? ANYTHING.

UH, ON SECTION, UH, 3.109, AFTER EFFICIENCY, THERE'S A COMMA IN THE WORD END.

I THINK THE COMMAS ARE NEEDED.

ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? OKAY.

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THANKS, JIM.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT A PERMIT ISSUANCE ON THE NEXT PAGE WAS PARAGRAPH F IN THE ORDINANCE.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO CHECK.

I ACTUALLY CORRECTED THAT.

SO YOUR POINT WOULD BE ON, ON PAGE NINE TO CHECK THAT - THE PERMIT, THE PARAGRAPH, UH, THAT STARTS WITH PERMIT ISSUANCE.

RIGHT.

AND, AND YOU GOT IT AS A, I THINK, ON, IN THE, ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES, IT'S F.

PERMIT ISSUANCE IS F.

THAT'S ALSO CORRECT.

IT'S EITHER AFTER D.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE D.

BUT IN ANY CASE, I'LL CHECK IT, DEPENDING ON - YEAH.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT PROCESSING ONCE WE, ONCE YOU GET IT FIXED.

HEY, FRANK.

DID WE, DID WE SETTLE IN OR DID SOMEONE SETTLE IN ON THE PERMIT RENEWAL FEES IN EXHIBIT A? THE...

WHICH PAGE? I'M ON, I'M ON PAGE 11.

OKAY.

AND IT SAYS, "PERMIT RENEWAL FEES WILL BE CHARGED AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A, FEE SCHEDULE," WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAVE.

BUT I THINK WE WERE DISCUSSING SOME OF THOSE FEES AND RENEWAL FEES AND EVERYTHING AT OUR LAST MEETING.

DID SOMEBODY PUT DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO THAT AND IT'S ALL GOOD TO GO? WELL, IT...

DID SOMEONE PUT...

UH, IS, IS EXHIBIT A FEE SCHEDULE DONE? YES.

OKAY.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT IN THIS PACKAGE.

NO, NO.

AND WE WOULDN'T SEE IT.

WE DISCUSSED THAT.

OKAY.

IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL CORRECTION.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE THAT FEE SCHEDULE WAS APPROVED BACK IN MAY.

RIGHT.

YEAH, AND THIS IS JUST TO...

A REFERENCE OVER TO IT.

YEAH.

SO, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR...

SEE WHAT I'VE GOT BALLOONED HERE? THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

DOES ALL THAT STUFF JUST GO AWAY? ON PAGE 11, NUMBER FOUR.

I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING YOU.

WELL, ITEM NUMBER FOUR

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IN, IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW - RIGHT.

HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT.

AND HERE, WE'RE DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT...

WELL, LET ME READ ITEM FOUR TO YOU THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

IT MAY HAVE GONE AWAY.

WE MIGHT HAVE DONE AWAY WITH IT.

I, ANY PERMIT THAT HAS NOT RESULTED IN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITHIN THE REQUIRED DEADLINE AFTER ISSUANCE SPECIFIED ABOVE SHALL BE CONSIDERED PERMANENTLY REVOKED.

IF APPLICABLE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY SHALL PURSUE ALL APPROPRIATE REMEDIES APPLICABLE TO DANGEROUS OR UNSAFE STRUCTURES AND PROPERTY AFTER A PERMIT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY REVOKED.

A NEW APPLICATION FEE AND REVIEW IS REQUIRED ALONG WITH UPDATED SET OF DOCUMENTS THAT AC- AC- ACCURATELY REFLECT THE CURRENT STATE OF COMPLETION.

WORK THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT DOCUMENTED INSPECTIONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION.

IN ADDITION, THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED AND SHALL BE PASSED ONLY, SHALL BE BASED ONLY ON THE BASIS OF EXTRAORDINARY HARDSHIP OR CIRCUMSTANCES.

I MEAN, DOES ALL THAT STUFF JUST GO AWAY OR DID, DID IT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR...

JIM, THAT FITS IN ON PAGE 11, NUMBER FOUR.

THAT'S WHERE THAT WAS? MM-HMM.

YEP.

SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THAT IS COMING - I'M GONNA HAVE TO RE...

I'VE GOT THE PAPERWORK.

SO THIS WILL TAKE ME A MINUTE OR, OR LONGER.

I MEAN, JUST, I DON'T RECALL US...

I THINK IT'S IN TWO NOW, JIM.

HUH? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN TWO.

SOME OF IT'S IN TWO ON PAGE 10.

IF YOU START ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THROUGH TWO, IT STARTS HITTING ON THAT.

IT'S BEEN SIMPLIFIED A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY.

I JUST...

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

THEY MOVED IT TO TWO.

YEP.

I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

YEAH, THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING, PARTNER, IS THAT - WE, WE SHOULD HAVE - I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE DID BACK IN JULY.

I KNOW, AND - BUT I'VE GOT THE DOCUMENTS.

AND I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD AND PUT THE OLD NUMBER FOUR IN THERE AND THEN REDLINED IT, YOU KNOW, AND CROSSED IT OUT.

SO IT WOULD BE, UH, MORE OBVIOUS.

'CAUSE A LOT OF WHAT YOU READ, JIM, IS, WAS IN NUMBER TWO - IT IS.

BEFORE.

IT'S LIKE - YEAH.

IT IS.

I CAN SEE US GETTING RID OF IT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST DOUBLE SPEAK.

RIGHT.

BUT I, I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING RID OF IT EITHER.

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THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PACKET, BUT FOR JULY, BUT YOU MAY HAVE COME ACROSS AN ISSUE WE DIDN'T CATCH.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE PUT THE OLD FOUR BACK IN HERE AND THEN WE REDLINED IT OUT.

AND I MEAN, IT...

WE DID, WE DO HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN NUMBER TWO THAT IS IN THE CURRENT NUMBER FOUR.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

YEP.

WHAT WAS THE SECOND CORRECTION THAT YOU FOUND, JIM? THE FIRST ONE WAS THE SECTION 3.110.

WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? UM, I THOUGHT THAT ON, UH, PAGE NINE, THE, UH, A PERMIT ISSUANCE WAS ACTUALLY F IN THE CURRENT - IT'S EITHER F OR D.

RIGHT.

AND THEY WERE...

WE ACTUALLY CORRECTED THE THREE TE - THE 107 IN JULY TO 110, AND I MISSED IT.

AND SO DID JORDAN FOR THAT MATTER.

WELL, IN THE, IN THE PACKET, IT SAYS REFLECT THE PERMIT PROVISIONS IN SECTION 3.107, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING IT 10.

AND IT COULD BE...

IT ALSO SAYS THAT WE, OR STUFF WAS CHANGED, STUFF WAS DELETED, AND EVERYTHING SLID UP.

UM...

IT SAYS, UH, CONVERT SE - UH, SECTION 30, 3106, SUBSECTION C INTO SEPARATE NUMERICAL SECTION TITLED LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND DESIGN CRITERIA AND RENUMBER AND RE-LETTER SUBSEQUENT PROVISIONS AS APPROPRIATE.

SO MAYBE 110 SPLIT UP TO 17.

I GOT IT FOUR.

FOLKS, WE DIDN'T CHANGE...

IN JULY, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE WORDING THAT JIM HAS CALLED, PERIOD.

THE PROBLEM IS NUMBERING.

OKAY? I KNOW THERE IS INFORMATION IN, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

AND RE - AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE NUMBERING HAS GOTTEN CHANGED.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

AND WE DIDN'T INTEND TO CHANGE PARENTHESES FOUR, IN MY OPINION.

IT'S INTERESTING.

JIM, YOU SOUND GOOD.

SORRY.

NO, NO.

IT'S GREAT WORK.

WELL, BUT NUMBER FOUR COMES FROM INCLUDING SIX MONTH EXTENSION INCREMENTS AND A MAXIMUM OF 36 MONTHS FROM THE ORIGINAL PERMIT ISSUANCE.

WHICH IN...

YES.

NOW, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO PLAY THIS, GUYS, BECAUSE THERE'S...

WE'RE IN NO HURRY.

I CAN FIX IT, BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH, OR WE CAN TRY TO SORT THROUGH IT TONIGHT.

IT'S THE NU - THE PRO - FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE CHANGED IN JULY, WE CHANGED THE NUMBERING WHEN WE ADDED PARENTHESES TWO.

AND I'M WORKING OFF THE WORK PRO - THE DOCUMENT, BUT...

SO - WELL...

YOUR PARENTHESES FOUR IS SUPPOSED TO STILL BE THERE.

AND IT'LL BE FIVE.

I THINK EVERYTHING IS CORRECT, JUST LIKE IT IS, EXCEPT THAT NORMALLY WHEN YOU RED LINE, IF YOU'RE GONNA E - YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DELETE THE WHOLE SECTION, YOU WILL SHOW THAT YOU DELETED IT.

THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY COMPLAINT I HAVE ABOUT THIS.

I MEAN, IT'S CORRECT.

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WE, WE GOT THAT SUBJECT COVERED UNDER NUMBER TWO.

BUT SEE HOW WE TOOK THE OLD NUMBER TWO AND WE, WE STRUCK IT OUT BEFORE WE PUT THE NEW ONE IN? HEY, FRANK? YEAH.

LET ME...

WHERE'S YOUR, YOUR...

YEAH, CIRCLE WHAT THE OLD FOUR LOOKS LIKE.

OH.

AND NOBODY HAS THAT, EXCEPT...

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE, ON PAGE 10.

SORRY ABOUT THIS GUYS.

NUMBER TWO, JIM'S POINT, IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, IS TWO IS GOOD.

WE JUST NEED TO ADD THE OLD FOUR STRUCK OUT.

THAT'S HIS POINT TO THE RED LINE.

TO THE RED LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

THE OLD FOUR READS, "ANY PERMIT THAT HAS NOT RESULTED IN A SEAL WITHIN A REQUIRED DEADLINE AFTER INSTANCE ABOVE SHALL BE CONSIDERED PERMANENTLY REVOKED." THAT'S COVERED IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

JIM? YEP.

YEP.

"IF APPLICABLE, A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHALL PURSUE ALL APPROPRIATE REMEDIES APPLICABLE TO DANGEROUS STRUCTURES." NOW THAT'S NOT THERE, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I THINK THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT THAT'S IN THE UNSAFE SECTION OF THE CODE.

IT'S NOT THE EXACT WORDING THAT IS IN FOUR, UM, BUT IT IS COVERED.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, IN THIS SECTION IT SAYS BUILDING OFFICIAL.

CAN YOU READ TO ME THAT PORTION IN FOUR THAT YOU, UH, DECIDED THERE WAS A PORTION THERE THAT SAID BUILDING INSPECTOR OR BUILDING OFFICIAL? IT DOES SAY CODE ENFORCEMENT.

OR CODE ENFORCEMENT? THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY, WHICH IS A DEFINED TERM, WHICH IS WHOEVER THE CITY MANAGER SAYS IT IS.

THAT'S A BIGGIE.

CHARLES FIXED THAT.

AFTER THE, A PERMIT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY REVOKED, THE NEW APPLICATION FEE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, DOCUMENTS...

SEE, THE LANGUAGE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

YEAH, I KNOW.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW...

UH, I GUESS WE DID THAT.

WE MUST HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER.

UNFORTUNATELY THE...

SHOOT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARENTHESES, THIS IS AWFUL.

WE'RE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH, I THINK, FOLKS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARENTHESES TWO - IT'S SOFT.

ON PAGE 10, THE RED LINE, THAT IS NOT THE RED...

THAT IS NOT THE RED LINE THAT THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED.

WHAT JORDAN DID WAS TO LINE OUT THAT ENTIRE SECTION AND REPLACE IT.

NOW, LET ME CONTINUE WITH WHAT JIM'S FOUND WITH TO SEE IF WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT FOUR IS OKAY WITH TWO OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE.

WORK THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT DOCUMENT INSPECTION SHALL BE SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION.

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IT'S AT THE TOP OF PAGE 11.

YEP.

OKAY.

YOU OKAY? MM-HMM.

Y'ALL GOT IT? MM-HMM.

HMM.

APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED AND SHOULD BE BASED ONLY ON EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

THAT WAS CUT.

WE DID THAT.

YEAH.

WE DID THAT.

THAT TAKES IT OFF THEIR PLATE.

THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL DIDN'T DO THAT.

THEN IT SAYS IN ACCORDANCE WITH DA-DA-DA-DA-DA.

SO I THINK I'M ABOUT WHERE JIM IS.

OKAY.

IT'S EITHER IN THE CODE OR COVERED IN THE NEW TWO.

FRANK, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WHERE IT SAYS HERE ON PAGE 11, UM, TO SEE SUBSECTION FOUR BELOW REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO WORK THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT DOCUMENTED INSPECTIONS REQUIRED BY OUR ADOPTED INTERNATIONAL CODE.

COUNCIL ICC.

I DON'T SEE A SUBSECTION FOUR.

THAT COVERS ANY OF THAT.

AM I MISSING SOMETHING? NO, IT'S, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THEY'RE POINTING TO FOUR AND THAT'S NOT WHAT FOUR IS.

I FEEL LIKE - IT MAY BE WHAT IT WAS.

I FEEL LIKE WHAT SHE HAS COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF TWO, REDONE IN TWO IN THE ORIGINAL FOUR ALL NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.

IT'S JUST LIKE A CONVOLUTED MESS.

MM-HMM.

POINTING TO PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE INFORMATION.

I THINK EVERY BIT OF THREE QUARTERS OF PAGE 10 AND 11 NEED TO BE REWORKED.

AND CORRECT ALL THE, THE LETTERING FOR THE SECTIONS STARTING ON SHEET EIGHT, BECAUSE EVEN AT SECTION 3.109, IT'S D, NOT AN A.

SO ALL THE STUFF THAT CHANGED, WE NEED TO CORRECT ALL THOSE AND STRAIGHTEN UP TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND THEN HIT IT AGAIN.

OKAY.

WAS THERE A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS WORKING THIS? NO.

NO.

THIS WAS TOWARD TO US, BUT...

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THE STAFF OF GIANCARLO TO WORK ON CORRECT? TO GET THIS CLEANED UP FOR NEXT MONTH? THREE, THREE...

SO FAR WE HAVE, I THINK, A CONSENSUS ON THREE THINGS, THREE CORRECTIONS.

IN THE RED LINE, 3.10 ON PAGE ONE, OR EXCUSE ME, EIGHT.

3.107 SHOULD BE 3.110.

PAGE NINE, TOP OF THE PAGE, A SHOULD BE D OR F, AND I'LL CHECK THAT.

AND THIRD, TO ADD PARENTHESES FOUR, LINED OUT.

FIVE, DELETE THE WORD AND.

WELL, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

I THINK AND IS APPROPRIATE.

THE COMMA AFTER EFFICIENCY IS NOT, BECAUSE IT'S A LIST OF THINGS.

SWIMMING AND...

A SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE IS ONE ITEM.

YEAH.

SO GET RID OF THE COMMA AND LEAVE THE AND.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

IF YOU HAVE...

THAT'S A GRAMMAR ISSUE.

THERE'S...

I THOUGH YOU WERE DELETING.

GENTLEMEN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WORD ON PAGE EIGHT, 3.109, THE TITLE.

OH, YEAH.

I GUESS IT'S THE, JUST THE TITLE.

YEAH.

JEFF WANT...

I THOUGH HE WANTED TO REMOVE THE WORD AND.

HM.

BUT FROM A GRAMMAR STANDPOINT, YOU HAVE MORE THAN THREE THINGS.

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YEAH.

SO...

UH.

IS, IS, IS MECHANICAL, FUEL GAS CODE, IS THAT, IS THAT ONE ITEM? OR IS THERE A MECHANICAL CODE AND A S - ANOTHER FUEL GAS CODE? YES.

TWO.

SO...

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

I MEAN THAT...

JUST TAKE...

YOU WANT - FOR SWIMMING IN POOL AND SPA CODE, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO PUT A HASHTAG OR A DASH THERE? I MEAN, SWIMMING POOL/SPA CODE? THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S TITLED.

IT'S, IT'S THE, THE ICC CALLS IT SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.

SO WHAT JIM'S POINT IS, YOU, YOU'D HAVE, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, JIM, IT'D BE MECHANICAL CODE, COMMA, FUEL GAS CODE, COMMA, ENERGY EFFICIENCY CODE, AND SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.

MM-HMM.

CORRECT? YOU COULD DO THAT, OR YOU COULD DO MECHANICAL, FUEL GAS, MECHANICAL, COMMA, FUEL GAS, COMMA, ENERGY EFFICIENT, COMMA, AND SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.

CODES.

HAVE ONE CODE.

YEAH, CODES.

CODES.

RIGHT.

CODES.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT? EITHER WAY.

I LOVE IT.

NO, THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

TOO MANY CODES, RIGHT? YES.

IT SEEMS A LITTLE REDUNDANT TO SAY CODE AFTER EVERY SINGLE ONE.

I THINK DAVE, I THINK DAVE OUGHT TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

ALL RIGHT.

SUPER.

CODES.

SO WE'RE GONNA STRIKE CODE THERE, HUH? BUT THE - YEAH.

AND STAYS IN IT, CORRECT? YEAH.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

AND ADD AN S.

AND ADD AN S TO CODES.

CORRECT.

GOT IT.

SO LET ME...

LET'S GO TO THE BIG PICTURE FIRST, THEN THE LITTLE PICTURE.

YOU WANNA DO THIS NEXT MONTH OR TONIGHT? WELL, LET'S GET A CLEAN UP ON THAT.

CAN WE, CAN WE...

I FEEL LIKE STAFF SHOULD BE FIXING SECTION TWO AND SECTION FOUR FOR US TO REVIEW IT UNLESS...

SECTION TWO AND FOUR.

WELL, TWO THAT SHE REDLINED.

YEAH.

SHE TOOK ALL THAT OUT AND REDID TWO.

AND A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE IS IN, THAT'S IN THE ORIGINAL FOUR IS NOT IN ANY OF THIS.

SO IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO CLEAN THAT UP, I DON'T MIND SITTING HERE AND DOING IT, BUT I, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THE STAFF WOULD BE DOING AND WE'RE JUST SAYING YES OR NO.

AM I WRONG? IF WE COULD DO IT, I'M ALL FOUR SITTING HERE AND DOING IT.

SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE GUIDANCE, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT, THAT PROVIDED THE GUIDANCE TO ADDRESS WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY? LIKE THIS RED LINE THAT WAS - NO.

NO.

SHORT ANSWER.

PART, PART OF THIS IS GONNA BE WHO COULD DO IT.

LOOKS LIKE IT'S ME, PARTNER.

MM-HMM.

OKAY? UH-HUH.

I'M SITTING HERE WITH YOU.

THIS WHOLE PIECE IS ME.

OKAY.

I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SITTING HERE AND WORKING ON IT IF YOU WANNA WORK ON IT.

WELL...

IF YOU THINK THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT, THEN I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT.

I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO FAIRLY SIMPLE, LIKE FOUR FIXES.

MM-HMM.

CORRECT? YEAH.

WELL, MAYBE FIVE.

JIM? YEP.

FOUR OR FIVE.

YEAH.

'CAUSE - SO LET ME...

DAVE, LET ME - YEAH.

LET'S GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

YEAH.

LET ME START WITH PAGE ONE, JAMES 110.

STARTING ON PAGE EIGHT, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS.

THE TITLE WOULD BE MECHANICAL, FUEL, GAS, ENERGY, SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODES.

YEP.

MM-HMM.

CORRECT? ENERGY OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY? EXCUSE ME, ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

GOTCHA.

YES.

OKAY.

STILL ON PAGE EIGHT, SECTION RED LINE, SECTION 110 AND NOT 107.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

SHOULD NOT

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WRITE UNDERNEATH THE MECHANICAL FUEL GAS...

RIGHT BELOW THAT IN PARENTHESES IT SAYS D.

SHOULD THAT NOT BE IN, IN A BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING A NEW SECTION? NO, BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL...

THERE'S A, B, C, D, D, A, B, C ABOVE IT.

WE JUST CHANGED B.

THE A, B'S AND C'S ADOPT THE MECHANICAL FUEL GAS AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

THEY'RE JUST NOT SHOWN.

OKAY.

SO IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN HERE? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

I GOTCHA.

OKAY.

HERE, HERE'S AN ISSUE FOR YOU.

ONE OF, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO WAS TO BRING UP THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND MAPS THROUGH GIS ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY COULD SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT'S CHANGED IS THEY GET TO SEE US INSTEAD OF - THE ACTUAL - SO WE USED TO HAVE IT WHERE IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A PRESENTATION AS WE WERE WALKING OR TALKING THROUGH IT.

I REALLY LIKE THAT.

MAYBE NORMALLY WE HAVE IT AS LIKE A, LIKE A, AS A PRESENTER, LIKE A SIDE BY SIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE US AND THEN ALSO THAT AS WELL.

WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT.

I HAVE REST.

SO WE OKAY WITH PAGE EIGHT, PAGE NINE.

JIM THINKS THAT'S D, I THINK IT MIGHT BE F, BUT IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER AND IT'S A SIMPLE CHECK.

SO SIMPLE FIT.

IT'S NOT A.

I THINK IT'S F.

THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN ANYWAY, AND I LOOKED AT IT THIS AFTERNOON.

THAT'S FINE.

IS IT F? I BELIEVE IT IS F.

OKAY.

I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE THE ORDINANCE RIGHT ON YOUR...

YEAH, AND I BELIEVE, UH, TAM HAD PREPARED THIS FOR US.

SORRY, I, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT I CAN GET THE NOTES CORRECTLY AND WE CAN CLEAN THIS UP.

YOU SAID ON PAGE NINE, THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT F.

I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW...

ON, ON - TOP OF THE PAGE.

C-A SHOULD BE F.

WHERE IT SAYS, YEAH, WHERE PERMIT ISSUANCE - CORRECT.THAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE F.

THE PERMIT ISSUANCE LETTERS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE A.

F.

F.

OKAY.

AND WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET THROUGH.

NOTHING ON PAGE 10, PAGE 11 IS AT FOUR PARENTHESES FOUR STRUCK OUT.

SO WE'RE JUST STRIKING SUBSECTION FOUR? WELL, WE'RE GONNA SHOW SUBSECTION FOUR STRUCK, CORRECT, JIM? RIGHT.

THE, THE - IT'S PART OF THE RED LINE.

IT DOESN'T.

IT'S BEING DELETED.

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S ON IN FOUR AND WHAT'S IN TWO.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, EVEN IF Y'ALL ARE SAYING COME BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING POSSIBLY MISSING.

THAT'S WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.

I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE SAID IS THAT IT'S COVERED.

OKAY.

I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.

I'M GONNA...

UH, IT WOULD TAKE ME MORE TIME TO, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COVERED.

BUT IF...

IT FEELS LIKE THE NEW TWO IS AWFUL SOFT COMPARED TO THE TWO THAT'S BEEN REDLINED AND THE FOUR THAT'S MISSING.

IT FEELS LIKE IT'S A LOT SOFTER, DOESN'T IT? YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT...

I THINK S - I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE THAT JIM FOUND SENTENCE BY SENTENCE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN HERE.

AND IF IT'S NOT, GET IT IN HERE BEFORE WE CALL THIS GOOD.

OKAY.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S - YEAH, LET ME...

YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.

COUNCIL MEMBERS' POINTS WELL TAKEN.

MM-HMM.

I THINK I SAID THIS EARLIER.

WE DIDN'T CUT FOUR IN THE PREVIOUS WORK.

THE PROBLEM IS A FUNCTION OF THE NUMBERING OF THE SECTIONS.

SO WE DIDN'T INTEND TO CUT FOUR.

IT'S REDUNDANT.

WE DISCOVERED THAT.

OKAY? BUT THERE'S STUFF IN THERE THAT'S NOT IN TWO.

SO - IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT IN TWO.

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SO ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE SHOULD JUST ADD FOUR BACK IN? I'M THINKING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THIS NEXT MONTH.

I SECOND, I SECOND THE MOTION.

IF IT, IF, I MEAN, IF IT'S.

IF WE'RE NOT IN ANY HURRY, LET'S DO IT.

NOW, JIM, IN THE SECTION FOUR THAT YOU HAVE, DOES IT TALK ABOUT, UH, THE WORK THAT'S, UH, BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT DOCUMENTATED, DOCUMENTED INSPECTIONS? I THINK IT SEEMED LIKE IT DID.

MM-HMM.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, AMANDA BROUGHT UP THAT WITHOUT FOUR ON THIS PAGE, THERE'S A SECTION IN THAT RED LINE OF, AT THE TOP OF PAGE 11 THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED.

IS THERE A MOTION TO DEFER TILL OUR DECEMBER MEETING? I MOVE THAT WE DEFER TO THE DECEMBER MEETING.

I SECOND.

DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

AYE.

AYE.

NOW, PROCESS.

THE WAY, THE WAY THIS IS PLAYING OUT THESE DAYS IS THAT MR. PATENO WOULD, HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BACKGROUND IN THIS STUFF.

SO HE AND I WILL BE GETTING TOGETHER AND I'LL DRAFT SOME STUFF WITH HIM FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S...

YEAH, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IS THAT WHEN THIS RED LINE WAS DRAFTED, THAT THE BULLETS OR THE PROVISIONS THAT WERE IN THE OLD ONE DIDN'T GET DELETED JUST TO CONDENSE THE PACKET.

JUST LIKE HE SAID, LIKE I, I WENT FROM THE TITLE TO D, LIKE WHERE'S A, B, C, AND D? IF IT DIDN'T NEED IT TO BE REMOVED, IT STAYS THERE.

WE READ IT.

WE JUST SEE THE RED LINE.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE DOCUMENT GOT CHOPPED AND IT'S CREATING CONFUSION.

BASICALLY THE WHOLE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A PACKET AND WE SHOW EVERYTHING AND WE ONLY RED LINE WAS CHANGED.

WE STRIKE WHAT NEEDS TO BE STRIKED, BUT YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO READ THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.

MM-HMM.

YEAH.

AND I THINK WHAT JORDAN DID WAS IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TAKING SOMETHING OUT, IT WAS INCLUDED IN REDLINED.

IF WE WERE ADDING SOMETHING IN, THEN SHE JUST GAVE THE NEW NUMBER.

AND, AND YOU COULDN'T SEE THE...

AND YEAH.

YEAH.

NO, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT DEFINITELY CREATES CONFUSION.

THANKS, JIM.

NEXT ITEM

[IV.2.Discuss code of ordinance amendments and procedures.]

IS TO DISCUSS CODE OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND PROCEDURE.

THE COUNCIL INDICATED THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THE UDC PROCESS.

I, I'VE HANDED OUT SOME DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THE COUNCIL LIAISON AND I ARE ON.

IT STARTS WITH FIRST STEP.

AND SO JORDAN DID A TON OF WORK, INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK, WAS AMAZED AT HOW MUCH STUFF SHE MAY WAS INTO, WAS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME HUGE PROBLEMS WITH THE FIRST DOCUMENT THAT WE GOT.

AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT I ESSENTIALLY POSTED, UH, ON THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION BOARD.

SINCE THAT TIME, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SIMPLEST THING FOR US TO DO PROBABLY IS JUST TO FIX THE CODE, THE ISSUES THAT WE OR THE PNC OR THE COUNCIL HAVE DETERMINED OUR PRIORITIES.

FIX THOSE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OUT THERE IT HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.

AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE FREEZE AND NICHOLS REPORT.

I'VE HANDED OUT TO YOU WHAT FREEZE AND NICHOLS TOLD US ABOUT THE ORDINANCES WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

OKAY? AND MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE, NEXT MONTH, START TO WORK ON WHAT FREEZE NICHOLS SAID WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THE CODE.

AMANDA, THE, THE COUNCIL DIRECTION, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS REORGANIZED FIRST AND THEN POLICY SECOND.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO FIX FIRST

[00:55:01]

AND REORGANIZE SECOND.

NOW, IF THE COUNCIL STILL WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH REORGANIZATION, THAT'S FINE, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO STOP LONGER THE FIXES WHICH WE HAVE WORKING ON TONIGHT.

YOU WITH ME? OKAY.

AND SO WE WOULD DISCUSS WHAT REASON...

AND THIS IS YOUR CALL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EXPLICITLY EXCEPT THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE UP FRIESEN NICHOLS NEXT MONTH.

THIS DOCUMENT THAT READS, STARTS CHAPTER THREE BUILDING REGULATIONS.

WE SAW THIS IN JANUARY AND WE TAKE THIS UP AND NEXT MONTH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO WOULD BE SIMPLY FORM A SUBCOMMITE, FOR INSTANCE.

JIM? YEP.

MATTHEW? I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.

I WANT TO ASK GENTLEMEN, IS EVERYONE REAPPLYING IF THEIR TERM IS UP? BECAUSE WE ARE COMING UP WHERE NEW APPOINTEES WILL BE COMING IN JANUARY.

SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO START A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO DISBAND OR, OR RE- REORGANIZE IF YOU WEREN'T PLANNING TO STAY ON.

I FORGET WHO'S UP.

I LIKE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP RIGHT HERE, SO I, IF I'M UP, I'M PLANNING ON REDOING IT.

IF I'M NOT UP, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WELL, YOU GOTTA DO IT.

HURRY.

LIKE TOMORROW? I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY PUT IN YOUR APPLICATION THOUGH, HAVEN'T YOU? I DON'T KNOW.

I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE.

DO YOU KNOW IF I HAVE? I THINK - I, I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT I WAS THINKING I SAW THAT TODAY THAT THE DEADLINE'S TOMORROW AND I THOUGH - IS TOMORROW? I THINK IT IS.

OH.

ARE YOU CHECKING ON FOR US, AMANDA? MM-HMM.

.

THAT'S THE ONE THING IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO NOTIFY US THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DONE.

UH, SO THE ONLY PEOPLE...

JIM, YOU ARE UP, UH, FOR DECEMBER 31ST.

UM, WE HAVE LAURA UP AND JAMES LEE.

I'M GOOD.

SO - HAVE YOU - BUT, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU TELL IF, IF I'VE ALREADY APPLIED? I THINK I DID.

I APPLIED, I THOUGHT IN AN ELECTRONIC DOCUMENT.

PARDON ME? I APPLIED.

YEAH, IT'S ELECTRONIC.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

OKAY.

I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THOSE DOCUMENTS YET.

WE SHOULD BE GETTING THOSE PROBABLY AFTER OUR NEW SWEAR, OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SWORN IN.

WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY GET THE CHIEF PACKET OF APPLICATIONS.

AND, BUT TOMORROW'S THE DEADLINE, CORRECT? YEAH.

WHAT'S THAT? TOMORROW IS THE DEADLINE.

HELL.

I THINK I SENT AN EMAIL OUT TO YOU GUYS, BUT - YEAH, YOU MAY HAVE.

YEAH.

I SAW THE - OH, JUST, OH, TO THE PEOPLE...

OH, THEN THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YEAH.

I THINK IT WAS ON THE WEBS - ON THE - YEAH, THE CITY PUT OUT A WEBSITE AND I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE THAT WAS ALREADY ON COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FOR RENEWAL.

YEAH.

WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S...

I, I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT ROBIN IS, UH, ROBIN TAKING THEM ELECTRONICALLY OR YOU CAN PRINT THEM OUT AND TURN THEM INTO HER.

UM, I HAVE HER TELEPHONE NUMBER IF YOU WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER.

YEAH.

I JUST NEED...

SOMEBOD NEEDS TO REACH OUT TO LAURA TO MAKE SURE SHE'S...

YEAH.

AWARE.

SO, UH, ROBIN'S DIRECT NUMBER IS 512-267-155, EXTENSION 115.

267...

1155.

AND HER EXTENSION IS 115.

OKAY.

SO LAURA...

UH, WHAT TIME DOES SHE GET TO WORK? DON'T, DON'T, DON'T CALL.

COME IN.

HUH? YOU CALL - NO, I'M PLAYING GOLF.

I GOTTA CALL.

BUT I CAN GET YOUR PRIORITIES.

SHE'LL BE HERE EARLY.

SHE'S NORMALLY HERE AROUND BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT.

UH, AND SHE'S GONNA HAVE A LONG DAY TOMORROW, TOMORROW'S CITY COUNCIL.

UH, SO SHE'LL BE HERE ALL DAY.

OKAY.

I'M ALMOST POSITIVE I DID, BUT I, I TRIED TO FIND DOCUMENTATION TODAY AND I COULDN'T.

IF YOU SUBMITTED IT ELECTRONICALLY, YOU SHOULD'VE GOTTEN AN EMAIL CONFIRMATION THAT IT, IT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, SO HOPEFULLY...

[01:00:08]

SO IT APPEARS THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO START TO WORK WITH USING FNI, THE FRIES NICHOLS REPORT NEXT MONTH.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.

SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN REORGANIZING, RIGHT? RIGHT.

IS THAT WITH REORGANIZING WITHIN A CHAPTER OR REORGANIZING SOME THINGS FROM ONE CHAPTER TO ANOTHER? THE ENTIRE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS, AND YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I GOT VERY LITTLE FILTER.

I FEEL LIKE I'M TIRED OF DOING WORK AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENING AND IT JUST GETTING SHELVED OR TABLED AND WE'RE NOT FINISHING.

CAN WE NOT SIT DOWN OURSELVES AND TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING TOGETHER AN OUTLINE OF WHAT SHOULD GO WHERE AND THEN TEAR INTO THIS AND GO SO THAT WE CAN FINISH THINGS AS WE GO? I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA HIT THIS IN PIECES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CHANGE IN THE CITY OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CHANGE IN STAFF AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP, WE'RE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NEVER CLAIMING, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN QUICKSAND AND WE'RE NEVER GETTING OUT OF IT.

SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DECIDE, HEY, WE SHOULD DO THE OUTLINE FIRST, BUT WE'RE A PART OF IT AND GIVE THEM WHAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

AND THEN IF THEY SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO IT, THEN WE START ATTACKING WHAT'S IN OUR, IN OUR WORLD AND START KNOCKING THESE THINGS DOWN.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE SET SMALL GOALS AND KNOCK THEM OUT AND GET THEM APPROVED, WE'LL GET FURTHER ALONG THAN TRYING TO DO A GREAT BIG BROAD SWEEP.

AGREE ON ALL POINTS.

I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO.

YOU WERE, YOU SAID YOU KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO BACK AND DO THE UDC, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T STOP YOU AND PRECLUDE YOU FROM CONTINUING ON WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TO GET IT CORRECT AND GET IT UPDATED AS YOU'RE MOVING ALONG THROUGH IT.

UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A BIG PUSH FROM, UM, PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR TO, TO HALT UNTIL EVERYTHING GOT REORGANIZED BECAUSE THERE WAS AFRAID OF OVERLAP, UM, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OVERLAP, UH, EVEN AS WE GO ALONG AND FIND CORRECTIONS AND, BUT, UH, WE'RE, AS Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS THINGS THAT ARE STILL PROBLEMATIC WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO GET CLARIFIED SO WE CAN START MAKING HEADWAY ON IT.

SO WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE'RE WAITING, IF WE'RE WAITING ON UDC TO CONTINUE.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO INFLUENCE ANYBODY, SO I DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF.

NO, NO.

DAVE'S MADE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

THERE ARE A BUNCH OF POINTS I AGREE WITH.

ONE OF WHICH IS, IS CALLED BANDWIDTH.

IT'S A LOT SIMPLER TO FIX PARAGRAPH SIX THAN IT IS TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

YEAH.

THE COUNCIL CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN DO IT.

MM-HMM.

AND YOU'VE GOT A GOOD GROUP OF FOLKS HERE, PRESENT COME TO EXCLUDED, THAT CAN DO THE MINUTIA.

NO, I'M SERIOUS.

THEY CAN DO THE MINUTIA ON SOME RELATIVELY SIMPLE STUFF, BUT YOU'VE HIRED US TO DO THE MINUTE DETAIL AND WE CAN DO THE MINUTE DETAIL, BUT WE CAN'T DO, AND WE CAN START ON THE WHOLE, ON THREE, 3.5 AND FIVE START, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ON MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE OR THE COUNCIL CAN, CORRECT? YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS DAVE.

YES, SIR.

NEXT ITEM IS, UH, SO THERE'S A CONSENSUS.

WE'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN NEXT MONTH.

NEXT

[IV.3.Approve the minutes of the July 1, 2026 meeting]

ITEM IS THE MINUTES OF JULY ONE.

IT'S BEEN HANDED OUT, WAS NOT IN THE PACKET.

Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? YEAH.

OH YEAH.

HEY FRANK? WE CAN DEFER THIS TO NEXT MONTH TOO, BUT - REAL QUICK WHILE WE'RE LOOKING, DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA TO APPOINT A SUBCOMMITTEE? NO.

NO.

OKAY.

NOT ANYMORE.

AMANDA, GOT CUT OUT.

YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS

[01:05:01]

BECAUSE - NO, MA'AM.

IT'S CUT OUT.

THE RULES AND PROCEDURE WERE DRAMATICALLY REDUCED, WHICH DELETED SEVERAL THINGS TO INCLUDE THE RE - MOST OF WHAT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION RULES WERE TO INCLUDE SUBCOMMITTEES.

SO WE CAN APPOINT A SUBCOMMITTEE TONIGHT IF IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA.

AND WE - YEAH, UH, WHEN WE ADOPTED THAT, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT.

UH, AND I FORESEE IT PROBABLY GETTING CHANGED, BUT FOR NOW, UH, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE IT AGENDIZED TO DO THAT.

THERE IS A LOT OF FREEDOM LEFT.

YEAH, THE ANNUAL REPORT, FOR INSTANCE, IS THE WHOLE THINGS.

OKAY.

I STILL THINK WE SHOULD DO IT NEXT MONTH WHEN WE'RE SURE WHO'S GONNA BE HERE FOR THE NEXT TERM GOING THROUGH, BUT I JUST, I WAS SO USED TO US HAVING TO HAVE IT ON AGENDA.

DO YOU WANNA HAVE THE CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

WELL, NO, NO.

SIR, WE CAN DO THAT.

I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY.

THE, THE DIRECTOR AND I WORK THROUGH THE, AND AMANDA WORKED THROUGH THE, UH, AGENDA.

OKAY.

WE'LL PUT THAT ON.

WE'RE STILL ON THE MINUTES.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

I'M NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER.

WE KEEP WAITING THREE OR FOUR MONTHS TO REVIEW THESE AND I'M NOT GONNA REMEMBER ANY BENEFITS.

EVERY YEAR GOES BY GETS WORSE.

ARE YOU WAITING FOR A MOTION? I AM.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY MINUTES AS IS.

SECOND.

THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND WE

[IV.4.Discuss future agenda items]

ESSENTIALLY DISCUSSED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT HAS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE FOR US FOR, FOR DECEMBER? WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS IF WE COULD BRING, UM, WITH OUR SERVICES DIRECTOR, BRING BACK DWAYNE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO, UH, HIS PRIORITIES ON THOSE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT FOR DECEMBER OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT FOR JANUARY.

I JUST THINK THE EARLIER WE START TACKLING THIS, THE BETTER.

I NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER SPEAKING OR HAVING, AFTER Y'ALL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WITH DWAYNE, UM, WITH AN IDEA AS TO LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE LOW, LOW HANGING GROUP THAT'S EASY TO CLEAN UP AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE CAN GET THE BALL MOVING.

I DON'T WANT US TO RUN INTO, GET INTO ELECTION SEASON AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND EVERYTHING GETS SLOWED DOWN AGAIN.

SO I'D RATHER GET IT DONE EARLY SPRING, YOU KNOW.

I, I WOULD AGREE.

GET IT IN HERE.

JUST NOT TAKE OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS.

WE FINALLY GOT BACK INTO A MEETING.

LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS.

I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK WITH WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE PLANNED ON THERE.

SO IF YOU CAN'T MOVE AROUND THERE FOR THE NEXT MONTH, I THINK JANUARY WOULD BE HELPFUL.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR NEXT MONTH? ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION? JIM ALMOST SAID SOMETHING.

NO.

IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING.

I'LL SECOND THAT ONE.

THERE YOU GO.

DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

WE'RE OUT HERE.

SORRY ABOUT