* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] THE TIME IS 3:00. I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAGO VISTA CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE SIX OF OUR SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA IS ON HER WAY. OUR FIRST ORDER [II. EXECUTIVE SESSION] OF BUSINESS WILL BE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I'LL READ OFF THE ITEMS WE WILL BE COVERING. ITEM ONE, CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ONE OR MORE ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA WHERE CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY-CLIENT ADVICE IS NECESSARY. ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS. ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION CONCERNING LEGAL QUESTIONS AND ADVICE RELATED TO PROPOSED UPDATES AND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER FOLLOWING REVIEW BY LEGAL COUNSEL PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. ITEM FOUR, CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES, RIGHTS, OBLIGATIONS, POTENTIAL LIABILITIES AND CONTRACTUAL AND REGULATORY CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAKESIDE OF TECERA DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL ACQUISITION, ACCEPTANCE, OWNERSHIP, OPERATION, AND MAINTENANCE OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES RELATED ENGINEERING, INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, WATER SUPPLY, WATER USAGE, SERVICE OBLIGATIONS AND ASSOCIATED MATTERS. ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071, LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA DAVID VERSUS CITY OF LAGO VISTA ET AL. CASE NUMBER D1G9GN26010381 IN THE 98TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT, TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER REGULAR ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WHEN WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? MS. BANESS? 9.6. 9.6. SAME. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL BE BACK AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. FOR [III. ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS (action and/or vote may be taken on the following agenda items] ONLINE - FEED. YEAH, THE ONLINE. DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? FOR CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES, RIGHTS, OBLIGATIONS, [00:05:01] POTENTIAL LIABILITIES AND CONTRACTUAL AND REGULATORY CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAKESIDE AT SERRA DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING POTENTIAL ACQUISITION, ACCEPTANCE, OWNERSHIP, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES RELATED ENGINEERING INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, WATER SUPPLY, WATER USAGE SERVICE, OBLIGATIONS AND ASSOCIATED MATTERS. WAS THERE ANY ACTION TAKEN? MAYOR, I MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED TO DISCUSS AND DIRECTED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING THIS ITEM, UH, 3.4. LAKE CITED TESERA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ACTION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE ACCEPTANCE, ACQUISITION OR ASSUMPTION OF OWNERSHIP, OPERATION OR MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OR FACILITIES. I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAPARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THO OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION WITH CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION, SECTION 551.071, LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA DAVID VON LERKING VERSUS CITY OF LAGO VISTA ET AL, CAUSE NUMBER D1GN26010381 IN THE 98TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT, TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS. IS THERE ANY ACTION? MAYOR, NO ACTION. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, UH, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVIDUAL. MR. PRINCE, FOR THE INVOCATION? UH, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, THE PASTOR FROM ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH, REVEREND DR. MARK DOWELL. UH, DR. DOWELL HAS BEEN WITH US FOR JUST A FEW WEEKS NOW AT ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH. HE'S ACTING AS INTERIM PASTOR AND I'VE BEEN SO HAPPY TO GET TO KNOW HIM AND I WELCOME HERE TON - HIM HERE TONIGHT. LET'S PRAY. GRACIOUS AND LOVING GOD, WE PAUSE TODAY IN RECOGNITION THAT THE WORK OF SERVING OTHERS CARRIES A RESPONSIBILITY GREATER THAN ANY ONE OF US. WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE AND GUIDANCE AS THIS COUNCIL GATHERS TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT SHAPE THE LIVES OF THIS COMMUNITY. GRANT THE LEADERS WISDOM WHEN THE ANSWERS ARE UNCLEAR. COURAGE WHEN DIFFICULT CHOICES MUST BE MADE AND COMPASSION IN EVERY DECISION. REMIND US THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING IS CREATED WITH WORTH AND DIGNITY AND THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ONE ANOTHER AMONG THE HIGHEST EXPRESSIONS OF OUR HUMANITY. MAY YOUR SPIRIT OF JUSTICE, MERCY AND PEACE GUIDE OUR CONVERSATIONS AND OUR ACTIONS. MAY WE LEAVE THIS PLACE COMMITTED NOT SIMPLY TO WHAT IS POSSIBLE, BUT WHAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT. IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE AND SERVICE WE PRAY. AMEN. THANK YOU. WE [VI. CITIZEN COMMENTS] WILL NOW MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM ACTING OR DISCUSSING OTHER THAN FACTUAL RESPONSES TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? FIRST UP I HAVE, UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN PAT DIXON. UH, HELLO MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I WAS ON COUNCIL A LONG TIME AGO. MY PICTURE'S ON THE WALL HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT, UH, SOME OF THE ACTIONS YOU TOOK MAY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND I'M SURE I'M NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO ADDRESS IT, BUT THE STAFFING TURNOVER IS ALARMING. WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, WE HAD BILL ANGELO AND HE'S HAD A LONG TENURE. WE HAD TWO POLICE CHIEFS, UH, FRANK MILLER AND DANNY SMITH WHO HAD LONG TENURES. NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A HIGH TURNOVER AND I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPENSATION. UH, WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL. WE HAD SOME EXPERIENCED POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE FINDING BETTER PAY ELSEWHERE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. I'M CONCERNED IT MAY BE MORE INSTITUTIONAL. AND IF THIS IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA WORK, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME ATTRACTING AND RETAINING THE PEOPLE WE NEED. THIS MAY REQUIRE A FOCUSED EFFORT AND IT NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, MR. MAFIELD. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HE WAS THE LIBERTARIAN THAT RAN FOR GOVERNOR. HE HAD JUST HAD 148,000 VOTES. I DIDN'T WIN. YO DIDN'T WIN. BUT, UH, IN THIS ELECTION THAT WAS JUST, IT'S JUST A PLEASURE TO HAVE SEEN YOUR SIGNS AND TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND SEE YOU ON TV. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN ANY OTHER NON-AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY. WITH THAT, [VII. PRESENTATIONS & PROCLAMATIONS] I AM GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM SEVEN, PRESENTATIONS OF PROCLAMATIONS. JUST HAVE ITEM ONE, PRESENTATION BY MAYOR SHANE SAHM. I JUST HAVE A QUICK CERTIFICATE HERE. UH, SOME MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW. UM, THIS IS COUNCILMAN PAUL PRINCE'S LAST, UH, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING HERE FOR [00:10:01] LAGO VISTA AFTER SERVING US LOYALLY SINCE 2020. UM, I THINK AS WE HEARD IN THE PRAYER ABOUT SERVING WITH DIGNITY, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW OTHERS WHO HAVE SERVED WITH MORE DIGNITY AND RESPECT THAN YOU HAVE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE TO SEE FROM ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO THE WHOLE CITY REALLY APPRECIATES AND, AND THANKS YOU. UM, SO I'LL READ A CERTIFICATE HERE AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, SOMETHING TO PRESENT TO YOU AND I HOPE STAFF IS GONNA BE TAKING SOME PICTURES. UM, SO THIS CERTIFICATE IS HEREBY PRESENTED TO COUNCILMAN PAUL PRINCE IN GRATEFUL RECOGNITION AND APPRECIATION OF YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA, TEXAS FROM 2020 TO 2026. YOUR COMMITMENT, LEADERSHIP, AND YEARS OF SERVICE HAVE MADE A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA THANKS YOU FOR YOUR TIME, DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO ITS CITIZENS WITH SINCERE APPRECIATION AND GRATITUDE PRESENTED THIS FIFTH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2026. THANK YOU. AND I'LL LEAVE IT ACTUALLY UP TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANNA SAY ANYTHING AND THEN I'LL LET COUNCILMAN PRINCE... MR. AVERY? UH, I, I MENTIONED IT BACK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE AS IN THE WEEDS AS MR. PRINCE ON BUDGETING AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY MUCH IN AWE OF HIS ABILITY JUST TO NITPICK, FIND, UM, AND ANALYZE. AND, UH, WATCHING HIM AND NORMA WORK TOGETHER HAS REALLY INSPIRED ME ON PORTIONS OF MY RESEARCH JOURNEY AS A, AS SOMEBODY THAT REALLY LIKES TO GET INTO THE, THE DETAILS. UM, YOU'VE RE-INSPIRED ME AND REINVIGORATED MY, UH, PASSION FOR, FOR, UH, BUDGETING BECAUSE, UH, I ACTUALLY HATED BUDGETING UNTIL I CAME, UH, INTO THIS AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE CORE OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, YOU KNOW, FINDING OUT WHERE WE CAN FIND COST SAVING MEASURES AND HOW TO DO LEAN STRUCTURES AND, AND, UM, I, I'M REALLY, REALLY GONNA MISS THAT, UH, ASPECT THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT WITH NORMA AND, WELL, WITH ALL OF US ON, UH, THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LEND YOUR KNOWLEDGE WHEN WE NEED IT. COMMANDER PRO TEM. SO, UM, GONNA TRY NOT TO CRACK UP, UM, AS I DID ON THE DAIS WHEN WE HAD A VERY ROBUST AND PASSIONATE DISCUSSION, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO. UM, BUT, UH, CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH, COUNCILLOR PRINCE, FOR THE FORESIGHT AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE UNDERSTANDING AND THE BRIDGING THAT YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS DAIS. AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN THE COMMUNITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO PICKING UP THE BAT PHONE. UM, AND MOST OF ALL, I THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND. THANK YOU. YEAH, MS. PENAS. UM, WELL, I TOLD COUNCILOR PRINCE MY FIRST MEETING OR TWO UP HERE, I FELT MY IQ WENT UP BY ABOUT 20 POINTS JUST SITTING NEXT TO HIM HERE ON THE DAIS BY OSMOSIS. AND, UH, THAT CERTAINLY CONTINUED, SO UNFORTUNATELY MY IQ IS GONNA GO DOWN ABOUT 20 POINTS WHEN HE LEAVES, BUT, UM, I - NOTHING PERSONAL, DAVID. YEAH, NOTHING PERSONAL. NOTHING PERSONAL. NOTHING PERSONAL. BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST ADMIRE YOUR LONGEVITY OF SERVICE, JUST THE NUMBER OF TERMS YOU'VE SERVED AND THE FACT THAT YOU ALWAYS CAME LOOKING TO SERVE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, NO HIDDEN AGENDAS, BUT REALLY WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY, DIVING INTO AREAS AS COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA SAID OF BUDGETARY ISSUES THAT NOT EVERYONE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO DIVE INTO. BUT MORE THAN THAT, JUST THE WAY YOU CONDUCTED YOURSELF WITH THE CITY AND EVEN THROUGHOUT WITH COMMUNITY EVENTS AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE JUST, IT'S A TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY AND YOU WILL BE MISSED, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO STAY INVOLVED THROUGH FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE AND I'M SURE OTHER AREAS AS YOU HAVE TIME. SO BEST WISHES TO YOU. ENJOY ALL YOUR NEWFOUND TIME. ALL RIGHT. MR. PRINCE, ANY SAGE WORD? OH, MR. HALL. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALL THOSE YEARS OF SERVICE. AND AS I REFLECT BACK, BACK ON HOW MUCH I'VE LEARNED IN JUST THIS PAST YEAR, I CAN, I FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE'RE LOSING WITH YOUR SIX YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND, AND, AND KNOWLEDGE, UH, AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. AND SO I WANT TO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING A GREAT, UH, EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP ON OUR CITY COUNCIL. WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY MISS YOU. MR. MEDFIELD. YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT. UM, IF YOU WANNA KNOW, UH, HIS LAST WORDS ON CITY, IN CITY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE SESSION IS HE WANTED TO SAY A PRAYER, UM, SO THAT, UH, KINDA LETS YOU KNOW HOW HE CONDUCTS HIS BUSINESS. SO IT WAS VERY RESPECTFUL. SO THANK YOU. VERY, VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN PRINCE. UM, TH- THANK YOU ALL FOR THOSE COMMENTS. UH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR COUNCIL SIX YEARS AGO, I CREATED [00:15:01] A LOGO FOR MY, MY, UH, LIKE, UH, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ON, UH, A CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU. I'M OUT, UH, SHORT OF WORDS HERE TONIGHT. UM, FOR MY CAMPAIGN THAT WAS ABOUT, UH, RESPECT, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND SO FOR ME, WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IS, IS WHAT ADAM ALLUDED TO THERE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, HE'S RIGHT, HE'S RIGHT AND SHE'S RIGHT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT EVEN WHEN THEY'RE DISAGREEING, RIGHT? AND TRY TO BRING THAT, THAT MENTALITY TO COUNCIL, SOMETIMES SUCCESSFULLY, SOMETIMES NOT SO SUCCESSFULLY. UM, BUT I, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO MAKE, UH, COUNCIL AND THE CITY A BETTER PLACE WHEN I LEFT THAN, THAN WHEN I, WHEN I ARRIVED. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, ROB DURBIN ACTUALLY ASSIGNED THE LABEL TO ME OF THE BUDGET GUY, UH, WHICH I LIKED SO MUCH THAT I ADOPTED IT. AND, AND SO I KIND OF HAVE DOUBLED DOWN ON THAT. BUT FOR ME, UM, YOU KNOW, BUDGET IS CORE TO WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES, UH, AND WHERE WE SPEND THE CITY'S MONEY AND SPENDING IT WISELY TO MAKE THE CITY A BETTER PLACE, UH, IS, IS YOUR CHARTER GOING FORWARD. UM, AND I, I, UH, I, I, I'M GLAD FOR MY TIME OF, OF CONTRIBUTING TO THAT. UH, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CITIZENS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE GIVEN ME POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, UM, IT'S A THANKLESS JOB. AND, AND I ALWAYS SAY, WELL, NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS CITIZENS WHO COME AROUND AND SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE CITIZENS WHO DON'T REALLY PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION UNTIL THEY'RE MAD ABOUT SOMETHING AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN REALLY VOCALLY. THAT'S TRUE. THAT, THAT, THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE AND IT HAPPENS IN LAGA VISTA, BUT THERE ARE THOSE THAT THANK US, AND I KNOW EACH OF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT AS, AS I HAVE. SO, UM, I'M GLAD FOR MY TIME. I WON'T LIE. I'M, I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE BREAK AHEAD OF ME. UM, KEVIN SULLIVAN, UM, RECENTLY WAS TALKING TO ME, SAID, "I, I, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE END OF IT JUST AS I WAS BY THE TIME I FINALLY GOT THERE." AND THAT, AND THAT'S TRUE. UH, BUT LAGA VISTA'S A GREAT PLACE AND, AND I, UH, ENTRUST TO YOU THE JOB OF, OF, OF CARRYING FORWARD, UH, WELL AS, AS WE GO FORWARD. SO, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, HONOR AND THIS CERTIFICATE. THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, LET'S PRESENT IT TO YOU AND, UM, STAFF ARE YOU READY FOR A PICTURE?. AND MR. GEORGE, IF YOU'LL JOIN US. AND INSTEAD OF THE FAR LEFT, I'M GONNA STAND IN THE CENTER. . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I'M PRETTY GOOD, EVEN GOT FLOWERS. . YEAH, RIGHT?. YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA READ ALL THE WATER ONES MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT, [Items VIII 1 - 3 & IX.9] WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO ACTION ITEMS AS I WAS JUST TALKING TO CHIEF ABOUT. UH, I'M GONNA READ SOME OF THESE IN TOGETHER. THEY'RE ALL WATER RELATED AS WE, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR OVERALL PLANS TOGETHER, MAKES SENSE TO READ THESE IN. SO, UH, START WITH ITEM ONE, DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING INDIVIDUAL PROJECT ORDER NUMBER FOUR WITH DCS ENGINEERING LLC FOR THE AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT EXPANSION CEDAR BREAKS IRRIGATION MASTER PLAN IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $216,975 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT ORDER. I'LL ALSO READ IN ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH GARVER LLC FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, REVISING THE PROJECT SCOPE AND REDUCING THE TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED AGREEMENT AMOUNT OF $1,573,768.10 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AMENDMENT. I'M GONNA READ THREE AND TWO. OKAY. ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA'S PARTICIPATION IN THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD CLEAN WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND PROGRAM FOR THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, INCLUDING CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS, RESOLUTIONS, CERTIFICATIONS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ADVANCE THE FUNDING PROCESS, [00:20:01] DISCUSSION OF FINANCING REQUIREMENTS, POTENTIAL FUNDING AND REPAYMENT STRUCTURES AND ASSOCIATED OBLIGATIONS, AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF, FINANCIAL ADVISORS, BOND COUNCIL, AND OTHER CONSULTANTS REGARDING NEXT STEPS. AND ITEM 9.9, DISCUSSION REGARDING EPA COMMUNITY GRANT FOR THE LAGO VISTA WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING PROJECT, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED FUNDING ALLOCATION FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND FLUENT MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING PROJECTS. I HAVE ERNESTO. THAT'S A LOT. UH, ARE WE GETTING READY FOR A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO HELP? THAT WAS QUICK. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. UH, I FIGURE I'D START WITH MY, MY NAME, MY CREDENTIALS AGAIN. MY NAME IS ERNESTO RIOS. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. I, UH, HAVE A CONSTRUCTION DEGREE MANAGEMENT, UM, DEGREE. I HAVE A WATER SEED DISTRIBUTION, A TYPE TWO COLLECTIONS LICENSE. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE PRESENTATION. UM, THIS PRESENTATION WAS PUT TOGETHER TO HELP, UM, THE ITEMS THAT WERE JUST DISCUSSED. UM, WORK SESSION NINE, ACTION ITEM ONE AND TWO, THEY'RE RELATED TO THE EPA FUNDING. UM, THE GOAL IS TO GIVE COUNCIL A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT IS BEING FUNDED NOW, WHAT IS BEING DESIGNED OR PLANNED, AND WHAT THE DECISION WILL COME BACK SEPARATELY AT A LATER DATE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE CITY WAS AWARDED $750,000 WITH THE EPA COMMUNITY GRANT ON SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 22ND FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN RELATED TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT. THE GRANT REQUIRES A ONE, 187,500 CITY MATCH, BEGINNING THE TOTAL GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM TO $937,500. EPA FUNDING IS BEING LIMITED TO ELIGIBLE, ELIGIBLE PLANNING, PERMITTING, DESIGN, AND BID FISH SERVICES. STAFF'S PROPOSING TO SPLIT THE EPA FUNDING BETWEEN TWO ENGINEER EFFORTS, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT IMPROVEMENTS AND THE EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT CEDAR BREAKS EXPANSION. UM, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT IMPROVEMENTS, THE TOTAL, UM, THE TOTAL ALLOCATION WAS $1.6 MILLION. THE PREVIOUSLY SPENT IS $608,000 PREVIOUSLY SPENT. WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A, UM, REVISED PROPOSAL FOR 965,000. EPA WILL FUND 488,000. THE CITY REQUIRED MATCH WILL REQUIRE 122,000. WASTEWATER TREATMENT CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATIONS WILL BE CITY FUNDED OUTSIDE THE GRANT, MEANING AT $250,000 WOULD NEED TO BE ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT. THE SECOND PROJECT THAT THE EPA GRANT WILL PAY IS THE, UH, THE CB, UH, CEDAR BREAKS EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION EXPANSION. AND THE PROPOSED, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS 270, 217,000 WITH EPA FUNDING 173,000. CITY MATCH WILL BE 43,000 WITH THE PLACEHOLDER FOR PHASE ONE WITH A FINAL DESIGN OF 109,000. EPA WILL FUND 87,000 WITH THE CITY MATCH OF 22,000. THIS PROJECT HAS A, UM, TOTAL PLACEHOLDER OF 226,000. I'LL TAKE A PAUSE AND TAKE A BREATHER. DO ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS SO FAR? YES. AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, UM, ANY DEVIATIONS FROM WHAT WAS PUT FORWARD IN AUGUST 20TH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ON THE PLANS AND THE, AND THE FINANCIALS THAT WE WERE USING FOR BUDGET. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, OR IS THAT WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE? IT WAS ALREADY THERE. OKAY. THE, THE ONLY, I GUESS, SMALL DEVIATION IS THAT THE TWO, TWO PROJECTS WERE PUT ON HOLD, BRINGING FORWARD ONLY THE, UH, THE, UH, DEWATERING AND THE, UH, EFFLUENT TYPE ONE FILTERING. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. NEXT QUESTION. UM, ERNESTO, I'M, I'M CURIOUS ON THE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GONNA USE THESE EPA FUNDS - YES. AND, AND THE MATCH THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS- ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU APPLIED, YOU BASICALLY HAVE HELD SOME EPA FUNDING OUT TO THAT PLACEHOLDER TOTAL AS OPPOSED TO USING THAT MONEY IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD'VE COMPLETELY CONSUMED THE EPA GRANT, UH, IN THE, IN THE GARBER AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO AND THEN THE, THE, UH, EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT EXPANSION WITHOUT... AND, AND IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL USE IT EVENTUALLY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING OF IT. IT, WOULD WE USE IT EARLIER AND WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO USE IT EARLIER RATHER THAN SETTING SOME ASIDE AND NOT USING IT UNTIL LATER WITH [00:25:01] THIS PLACEHOLDER? DOES THE QUESTION MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES. UH, THE, THE DECISION WAS MADE, UH, BASED ON, ON THE PROJECT AND HOW IT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD. UM, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECTS ARE JUST DESIGN ONLY AND ENGINEERING. MM-HMM. SO WE'RE SAVING SOME ALLOCATIONS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION. UH, Y- Y - I, I GUESS, AND LET ME JUST RESTATE THAT. THAT PURPLE BOX, THE CITY OUTSIDE EPA, UH, COULDN'T THAT MONEY HAVE BEEN COVERED BY EPA FUNDING WITH THE CITY MATCH? NO, BECAUSE WE, THE CITY STILL ARE REQUIRED TO PUT THEIR SET OF MONEY, THEIR OWN AMOUNT. IT'S 80 / 20, SO THE CITY HAD TO REALLY DO THAT AMOUNT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU WANT TO HELP ME OUT REAL QUICK? YES. THANK YOU. UM, SO THE OUTSIDE, UH, EPA FUND AT 354 IS ACTUALLY COSTS THAT AREN'T, UH, ABLE TO BE APPLIED TO THE GRANT. OKAY. THEY ARE CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATION AND CONSTRUCTION ADMIN. THAT, THAT'S THE ANSWER. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. AVRIO? I JUST, UM, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. UM, ARE WE USING SOME OF THE 2024 CO BONDS FOR SOME OF THIS AS WELL? NOT AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT VICTOR, YOU CHIME IN. THAT IS A PENDING DECISION ON THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, NO LONGER QUALIFY FOR THE WASTEWATER, UH, WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. FUND DOESN'T ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR THAT PROJECT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE NO LONGER, UH, INCREASING CAPACITY OR EXPANDING THE PLANT. SO IT DOESN'T, SO IMPACT FEES CANNOT BE USED FOR THIS, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES. SO WE WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE TO RELY BACK ON THIS 2024. WHICH IS THE 122 PLUS THE 354, ABOUT FOUR SOMETHING. AND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS OR ONE OF THE. I WAS GONNA HOLD THIS QUESTION TO THE END, BUT I'LL ASK IT NOW, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER IT NOW. JUST KEEP IT IN MIND THAT THIS IS WHERE MY MIND IS HEADING. BUT I'M KIND OF LOOKING BACK, LET'S COME BACK TO 60,000 FOOT LEVEL, AND I'M LOOKING AT WHY WE ARE, UM, CHANGING THIS GARVER WASTEWATER TREATMENT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AWAY FROM WHERE IT WAS WHEN WE DID THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN IN 2024. AND THEN SAME THING, THIS AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT, WE'RE CREATING SOME SORT OF MASTER PLAN FOR A FLUENT DISPERSAL. IT ALSO SEEMS TO BE NOT WHAT WAS IN THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. SO WE'RE GOING IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MIGHT SIT DOWN WITH MR. PITINO WITH FRIESEN NICHOLS IS ASK THEM, SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE MASTER PLANS A FEW YEARS AGO, WE'RE GOING IN A DIFFERENT ROUTE. I KIND OF WOULD LIKE THE TWO OF YOU TO MEET AND LOOK AT WHAT THE MASTER PLANS WERE, WHY WE ARE DOING IT DIFFERENTLY, AND IS, ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT ROUTE TO GO? AND THAT'S JUST AN OVERALL QUESTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I KNOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE WE IN OUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? UH, ONE THING THAT FRIESEN NICHOLS TALKED ABOUT WAS THERE PROBABLY IS AN OPTION WHERE WE CAN ASK THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DID THE MASTER PLAN TO COME BACK AND TALK WITH STAFF AND MAYBE CONTINUE THAT STUDY, NOT REDO IT, BUT MAYBE DO AN UPDATE AND LOOK AT IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAY WANNA, WANNA CONSIDER. SO THAT'S A OVERALL, BUT I WOULD LET YOU GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION AND MAYBE WE COME BACK TO THAT AT THE END AND - YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. TALK AT HIGH LEVEL WHERE WE WANNA GO WITH THE WASTEWATER. ABSOLUTELY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT SLIDE? OKAY. SO THE ORIGINAL GOVERNMENT, UH, GARBER AGREEMENT WAS BASED ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT EXPANSION. WE WERE GOING WITH ONE POINT MGD TO 1.5 MGD. THE CITY HAS SINCE JUST SHIFTED THE NEAR TERM FOCUS AWAY FROM CAPACITY EXPANSION TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING PLANT. THE AMENDMENT REMOVES THE 1.5 MILLION GALLONS EXPANSION AND ADVANCES TO IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS. AQUADUS ARE TERTIARY FIL- FILTRATION, INCLUDING TYPE ONE RECLAIMED WATER PERMITTING WORK, THE WATER IMPROVEMENTS, REPLACING EXISTING BELT FILTER PRESS WITH THE LOOP PRESS, ALSO KNOWN AS DEWATERING. OH, I DID SAY THAT. THE FILTRATION AND DEWATERING IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DESIGNED AS A BID SEPARATE PACKAGE, WHICH ALLOW PROJECTS TO MOVE INDEPENDENTLY. THE MECHANICAL BAR SCREEN AND GRID CHAMBER ARE NOT INCLUDED AND THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT BE EVALU - THE, THIS AMENDMENT WILL BE EVALUATED SEPARATELY. THE, THOSE, THOSE, UH, CHANGES. THE AMENDMENT REDUCES THE OVERALL GARBAGE AGREEMENT FROM 2.8 MILLION DOLLARS TO 1.6 OF THE RECEIVED SCOPE 476,470 WITH 80 CENTS WILL BE CITY FUNDED. AND AS VICTOR MENTIONED, STAFF IS NO LONGER RECOMMENDING USING THE, UH, WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES BECAUSE WE WENT FROM EX - FROM EXPANSION TO, UM, IMPROVEMENTS. FUTURE WASTEWATER TREATMENT EXPANSION IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRE FURTHER EVALUATION BEFORE FOR SELECTING [00:30:01] A LONG-TERM PATH, IMPROVEMENT EXPAND, IMPROVEMENT, EXPANSION, EXISTING PLAN, NEW TREATMENT PLAN IN WHICH EX - THE STRUCTURE REPORT AND CAPACITY NEEDS, WILL BE, UH, MADE, WILL BE, WOULD INFORM THIS DECISION. I'LL PAUSE THERE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING BACK DOWN TO THE, THE 1.0 MGB, BUT HOW, SORRY, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WORK WAS, UH, ON THE DESIGN HAS BEEN ABANDONED NOW THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT? UH, I MEAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD ONTO OR HOW, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, BUT, UM, WHAT WORK WAS COMPLETED UNDER THAT 1.5 DESIGN? IT HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED. GARBER IS HERE ON SITE, SO IT, THEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL LET, WANT THEM TO TALK RIGHT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL I GET DONE. STICK WITH WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS. YEAH. SO REALLY NOTHING WAS ABANDONED AND WE'LL GO, UM, PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT THE, THE WATER BOARD LOAN AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GO TO NEXT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE EPA FUNDING, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE OTHER SECTION, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE EPA FUNDING, WHICH IS THE, UH, EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLANNING. THIS PROJECT'S INTENDED TO LOOK AT THE CITY'S OVERALL EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, NOT SIMPLY ADD ACCURATE AT CEDAR BREAKS. THE PROJECT CAN BE VIEWED IN THREE, VIEWED AS THREE PHASES. CEDAR BREAK, CEDAR BREAKS MASTER PLAN, WHICH CONSISTS OF EVALUATING EXISTENT CEDAR BREAKS CAPACITY AND ACCURATE NEEDS, EVALUATE TRANSMISSION, PUMPING AND STORAGE REQUIREMENTS, DEVELOP PHASE IMPROVEMENTS AND PLANNING LEVEL COSTS. NUMBER TWO, SUNSET PARK'S FUTURE REUSE AREAS WHICH CONSISTS OF DEFINED INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO CONVERT SUNSET PARK TO RECLAIM WATER. IDENTIFY OTHER POTENTIAL RECLAIM WATER SERVICES AREAS, EVALUATE CONNECTION, PUMPING, STORAGE AND IMPLEMENTATION NEEDS. PHASE ONE, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WHICH CONSISTS OF DEFINE THE FIRST IRRIGATION, DISPOSAL IMPROVEMENTS TO ADVANCE, DEVELOP PRELI- PRELIMINARY LAYOUTS, SIZING AND COST ESTIMATES, ESTABLISH THE SCOPE NEEDS FOR FUTURE FINAL DESIGN. THE INTENT IS TO GIVE THE CITY A COORDINATED LONG-TERM PLAN RATHER THAN DESIGN INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY FIT TOGETHER. QUESTIONS? MR. PRINCE? UM, I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE OVERALL EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD BE FACTORING IN OTHER PLACES FOR DISTRIBUTION, POTENTIAL PLACES LIKE THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE AND LA VISTA POA PARKS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLA - NEW, NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, PURPLE PIPES, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING. IS, IS THAT EXPLICITLY INCLUDED, JUST NOT SHOWN ON THE SLIDE? UH, I'LL LET VICTOR CHIME IN. YES, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE FUTURE REUSE NEEDS. UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE TRANSMISSION PIPE, WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE TO GO FROM WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING PIPE - YEAH. WHERE WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL SIZING, PUMPING, UH, STORAGE TANKS AND ADDITIONAL PUMP SYSTEMS. OKAY. UM, BUT YES, THAT IS ALL GONNA BE WITHIN LIKE A PRELIMINARY, UH, PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL OF WHERE WE CAN GO. WE CAN EVEN, UH, I BELIEVE WITHIN THE PROPOSAL, IT ALSO SPEAKS TOWARDS, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS - UH-HUH. AND ACTIONS COUNCIL COULD TAKE TODAY TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE, UH, AREA THAT, THAT IS NEEDED LONG TERM. AND, AND, AND IT DOES INCLUDE, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE HIGHLAND LAKES GOLF COURSE AND CAPABILITIES WE WOULD HAVE THERE? YEP. IT'S LOOKING AT THE WHOLE ENTIRE SYSTEM AS, AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU, VICTOR. WE ALSO HAVE THE ENGINEER FIRM ON SITE, SO, UH, ATTENDING, SO Y'ALL CAN ASK QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. I MEAN, I GUESS JUST THE CONCEPT OF IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PROPOSED STUDIES AND PLANS AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. THIS ONE'S $216,000. I, I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE BULLET POINTS, AND MAYBE I'M FOCUSING ON THE WRONG THINGS, BUT I WOULD GUESS WE DO KNOW OUR CAPACITY AND ACREAGE OF THE CEDAR BREAKS. SO TO, TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE FIRM COME IN AND TELL US THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO IN-HOUSE. SOME OF THESE ALL LOOK LIKE THEY COULD BE IN-HOUSE, AT LEAST PORTIONS OF IT. AS FAR AS WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY SPREAD AFFLUENT, I THINK WE, AS A CITY, ALREADY HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE MOST OF THESE PLACES ARE. MAYBE THE... I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS GONNA GET GRANULAR? LIKE WE'RE GONNA KNOW THE ACTUAL SURVEY AND THE LINES OF THE PROPERTIES AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TELL US OR ARE THEY GONNA COME BACK WITH A REPORT AND TELL US YOU CAN SPREAD IT AT THE GOLF COURSE, YOU CAN SPREAD IT AT SUNSET PARK, YOU CAN SPREAD IT AT THE UPPER BALL FIELDS, YOU CAN SPREAD IT AT THE LVPOA BECAUSE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SPENDING $200,000 IF I, I ALREADY KNOW THESE THINGS. AND SO, AND, AND THE LAST QUESTION IS THE TIMING OF THIS. AS WE THINK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF [00:35:01] WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON FIRST, SHOULD WE BE SPENDING $200,000 ON AN AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLAN WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE THESE WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FIRST AND THIS IS THE PRIORITY? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM STAFF RECENTLY, THE WATER PLANTS HAS JUMPED TO THE TOP OF YOUR PRIORITY LIST. UM, IS THIS THE TIME TO DO AN AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLAN OR IS THIS THE TIME TO FOCUS ON THESE OTHER THINGS FIRST? GREAT QUESTIONS. THERE'S A LOT TO, UH, UNRAVEL THERE, BUT, UM - IT MIGHT BE PARTIALLY WHY YOU'VE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL. YES. SO IT IS Y'ALL'S DECISION. IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION. UH, STAFF IS JUST BRINGING RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD. UM, I MEAN, WE DISCUSSED A LOT FROM TYPE ONE TO TIME TWO. UM, AND WE BROUGHT A LOT OF PRIORITIES WE BROUGHT FORWARD. WE HAVE TO PICK WHICH ONE WAS OUR PRIORITY. WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING FORWARD WHAT WAS THE BEST PATH. BUT YES, A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, VERY VALID QUESTIONS. UH, BACK TO THE REPORT WITH A BIT GRANULAR, I BELIEVE IT IS. I READ IT. UH, I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY THE LINE ITEMS, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE ENGINEER IS HERE ON SITE. WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE BETTER ANSWERS THAN THE PERSON THAN ME. SURE. YEAH. I'LL LET YOU GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AS YOU WANTED TO GIVE IT AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THEM UP. YEAH. UH, MR. HALL. WELL, I, I DO WANT TO HEAR THE REST OF YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION. JUST EXPRESSING SOME CONCERN AT THIS POINT, UH, THAT, UH, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I FULLY APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THAT NEED IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. UH, POND 17, POND 14, CEDAR BREAKS POND, UH, REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY AND OTHERS THAT WE KNOW ARE, ARE IN LINE TO BE DONE. UH, WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE MONEY AND THE BUDGET FOR THAT AND MANY OTHER THINGS. AND SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT AT THIS POINT, UH, APPROVING, UH, MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL PLANNING WHEN, UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TAKEN CARE OF, OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT ARE BEFORE US RIGHT NOW. AND SO, SO, UH, I, I DO HAVE A CONCERN. I, I, IDEALLY, I THINK WE WOULD BE, UH, ADDRESSING THIS. WE HAVE A CITY, UH, ENGINEER ON STAFF WHO CAN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE DO, UH, UH, FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT IN-HOUSE AND WHAT ELSE AND, AND WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? WHERE SHOULD OUR, OUR, THE LIMITED MONIES THAT WE HAVE BE SPENT AND WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THAT, WHERE DOES THAT FUNDING COME FROM? SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST EXPRESSING MY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE THINGS. OKAY. VICTOR, YOU WANT TO CHIME IN? UM, YES. SO THIS PROPOSAL AND FUNDING ALLOCATIONS AND EVERYTHING WAS PUT TOGETHER BASED OFF OF THE ACTUAL GRANT AGREEMENT FROM THE EPA, WHICH THAT, UH, IT'S UTILIZING AND IT BASICALLY CONSISTS OF A WORK PLAN, UH, IN ORDER TO DESIGN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AND EFFLUENT, UH, MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO ANYTHING OUT OF THAT WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR EP - FOR THAT EPA FUND, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE THAT 80 / 20 MATCH. AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER PUT ON THERE BECAUSE THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE EPA GRANT COULDN'T BE APPLIED TO THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. YEP. SO THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDINGS ARE COMING FROM, FROM THE EPA, AND THAT'S WHAT QUALIFIES REALLY. AND CONSIDERING THE LONG DISCUSSIONS THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT TYPE ONE, TYPE TWO, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS IF WHAT, WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE GRANT ACTUALLY COVERED. IF IT WAS NOT, IF IT CAN'T BE ALLOCATED TO CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WAS THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT AND WHY WE WERE ALLOCATING IT THIS WAY? SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO VIC - SO JUST COUNSELORS AWARE, VICTOR IS WORKING ON THE EPA AND WORKING ON THE WATER BOARD LOAN. SO IT'S BEEN COUNSELORS ALLOW - HOURS LEARNING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT AND SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS ON THE OTHER ONES. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TEA - T- TEAM TAGGING HERE. UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NEXT ONE. UH, I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION REGARDING THE CEDAR BREAKS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL 40 ACRES THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR POTENTIALLY FOR THE, FOR FUTURE NEEDS, WHETHER THAT REALLY, HOW, HOW FAR INTO THE FUTURE WOULD, WE MIGHT NEED THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED IT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO IF MY, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WORRY CAME BECAUSE OUR PONDS ARE IN, IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. SO WE NEED THE AREA TO DISTRIBUTE THAT AREA, THAT AREA. UM, AND THEN WHILE LOOKING AT THE PLANS, THE, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BUILT WAS NOT WHAT WAS UNDERGROUND. WE WERE NOTIFIED OF THAT. IT SAYS THAT IT'S AN EIGH INCH LINE, UH, IT'S NOT AN EIGHTH LINE, IT'S A SIX INCH LINE, WHICH CAN, CHANGES THE WHOLE HYDRAULICS AND EVERYTHING OF DISTRIBUTION. SO INSTEAD OF ME SAYING, "HEY, LET ME BUILD THIS AND, AND MAKE [00:40:01] IT EASIER," IT'S NEVER THAT EASY, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THE PLANS IS NOT WHAT WAS BUILT. UM, YOU KNOW, STUFF IN THEM AT THE TIME DID WHAT THEY COULD AND CHANGES THAT THEY DID AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIX IT. UM, SO I THINK VICTOR WANTS TO CHIME IN? NO. NO. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YOU, YOU MENTIONED WHY. I'M SORRY, I DON'T, I - WELL, I KNOW, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING, UH, AND, UH, KIND OF, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON OUR MORE IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND OUR NEAR FUTURE NEEDS, UH, AND WHETHER, UH, WHETHER THE, THE GRANT DOES THAT OR WHETHER, WHETHER WE'RE USING FUNDS FOR FURTHER OUT PLANNING THAT ARE NEEDED FOR CLOSER. I THINK IT MADE, IT MADE SENSE NOW. YES, GO AHEAD. UH, SO KIND OF TWO PARTS TO IT. UH, THE IMMEDIATE NEED IS GONNA BE THE PHASE ONE. THAT GETS US TO THE ONE MGD DISTRIBUTION. AND, UH, BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT PHASE, WE NEED TO DO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE GROUND, WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET THERE IN TERMS OF SCOPE, UM, LAYOUT, AND THEN AS WELL AS PULLING SUNSET PARK, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST DO PHASE ONE, NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UPSIZE OR INCREASE CAPA - UH, PUMPING JUST TO GET TO SUNSET PARK. SO IT'S MORE OF ONE TIME ORDEAL, LOOK AT THE WHOLE LAYOUT, FIGURE OUT ACREAGE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE AVAILABLE SPACE AT, AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MAYBE PHASE TWO OF SUNSET PARK, UM, ALONG WITH THE CREEKS THAT RUN THROUGH IT, ACTUAL LAND THAT WE HAVE, NOT JUST, OH, THERE'S 300 ACRES AT T - UH, ON TCAD AND UTILIZE THAT. IT'S MORE OF LOOKING AT IT, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH ACTUAL ACREAGE WE HAVE TO APPLY TO OUR TLAPS. AND A LOT OF THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, BACK WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE HIGHLAND LAKES PURCHASE. THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, HOW MUCH AVAILABILITY, UH, HOW MUCH LAND DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET US ALL THE WAY TO 1.5 AND WHEN WILL WE NEED ADDITIONAL LAND? THIS IS THE VERY FIRST PART OF THAT. AND THE SECOND PART WOULD BE THE FUTURE REUSE AREAS. HOW MUCH AREA CAN WE ACTUALLY ALLOCATE WITHOUT ACQUIRING MORE LAND? DID I ANSWER? OKAY. SO TODAY THE RECOMMENDED, UH, COUNCIL ACTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE EPA COMMUNITY GROUND FUNDING ALLOCATION, WHICH IS THE TWO PROJECTS, GARVER AND DCS. UH, GARVER IS WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UH, DCS IS WITH, UH, EFFLUENT. UM, THE, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, UM, AND THE, UH, THE APPROVED EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT EXPANSION IPO NUMBER FOUR. UM, WHAT THIS ADVANCES, IT ADVANCES THE DESIGN FOR AQUA DISFILTRATION AND DEWATERING. IT ADVANCES THE AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLANNING PHASE ONE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ALIGN, ALIGNS WITH EPA WORK PLAN AND APPROVE ENGINEERING SCOPES. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WILL COME BACK LATER FOR COUNCIL WILL BE A FUTURE PHASE ONE FINAL DESIGN AMENDMENT, CONSTRUCTION BIDS AND FUNDING, SUNSET PARK CONVENTION, CON- CONVERSION PROJECT IF ADVANCED, UH, FUTURE WAS WATER T - UH, TREATMENT PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AND THE FUTURE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CAPACITY DECISIONS. TODAY IS JUST PRETTY MUCH ADVANCING THE DESIGN SCOPES OF EACH PROJECT. MAY I PRO TEM? SO JUST REAL QUICK, ERNESTO, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T DO THAT? WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EPA. OKAY. THANK YOU. IN THEORY, ARE THERE OTHER PROJECTS WITH PLANNING THAT YOU COULD ALLOCATE THOSE TO? I MEAN, WE MOVED OVER TO SOME OF THE LARGER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PROJECTS. PART OF IT IS IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE SOLIDIFYING THAT WE ARE NO LONGER FOLLOWING THE EXPANSION PLAN THAT WAS IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS? WE ARE ON THIS NEW PLAN AND, AND, AND DO WE HAVE ONE DOCUMENT THAT SPELLS OUT WHAT THAT PLAN IS? IT DOES NOT SOLIDIFY THAT WE DON'T NEED THE EXPANSION. IT JUST SOLIDIFIES THIS AS THE FIRST STEP FORWARD. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO JUMP INTO THE WATER BOARD. SO THE WATER, THE WATER BOARD LOAN APPLICATION IS BEING ASKED AND WHEN WE INVITED, IT WAS ASKED FOR THE EXPANSION. THAT'S THE EXTENT. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OR THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE PHASE OUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN EXPANSION THROUGHOUT FIVE YEARS. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THOSE FUNDS AND THE LOAN AND YOU START PHASING OUT. YOU HAVE FUNDS FOR ENGINEERING, YOU'LL HAVE FUNDS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, THE CALCULATIONS, BACK, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION TO TALK TO IN STAFF NOW, THE ENGINEER IS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE WHAT THE PLAN IS. SO WE, EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IS ON PLANNING STAGES. SO WE'RE NOT SOLIDIFYING THAT WE DON'T NEED THE EXPANSION. WE'RE JUST GRANTING MORE TIME, BUT WE, UH, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS, WHICH IS THE DEWATERING, WHICH IS THE BELL PRESS, [00:45:01] WHICH IS CONTINUES TO BREAK, WHICH IS THE FILTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, UH, THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS. UH, IDEALLY STAFF WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT GREAT CHAMBER, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT KIND OF WAS PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF WE DO GET THAT WATER, UM, THE WATER BOARD LOAN, POTENTIALLY CAN GO BACK AND INCLUDE THAT IN THERE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. IS THE, THE, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE EPA WORK PLAN DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER 12TH. IS THAT STILL, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES. WE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY DUE OCTOBER 30TH. I ASKED FOR A TWO WEEK EXTENSION IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS WAS GONNA GET APPROVED OR IF IT WASN'T AND - WE HAVE TILL NEXT THURSDAY TO GET THIS? NOT NECESSARILY. I JUST WOULDN'T SUBMIT THE REVISED WORK PLAN AND I WOULD LET THEM KNOW THAT ADDITIONAL TIME MIGHT BE REQUIRED AND IT MIGHT BE A FULL, UM, IF WE ARE GOING OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF DESIGN FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AND EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLANNING PROJECTS, THEN A FULL ACTUAL AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMIT- SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY, UM, OR IT WOULD HAVE, YEAH, WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE EPA AND POTENTIALLY THE, THE PROJECT PERIOD, BECAUSE THE PROJECT PERIOD ENDS FEBRUARY 1ST IN 2028, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE EPA FUNDS SPENT BY THAT TIME. SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT RISK OF LOSING FUNDING IF WE DON'T GET THIS COMPLETED, CORRECT? I COULDN'T CONFIRM OR DENY THAT WE ARE AT RISK ONLY BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEND THEM A FORMAL AMENDMENT TO THE SCOPE AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT. YOU SHOULD BE OUR ATTORNEY. NO WAY. COUNCILOR. I NEED THESE PEOPLE FOR NUMBERS. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T MATH. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON TIMING, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THE GRANT COMES THROUGH AND EVERYTHING. WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THIS? ON THE FUNDS? WELL, THE FUNDS AND THEN COMPLETING THE WORK, THE PROJECT WORK, THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING WORK. UH, THE ENGINEER WORK, UH, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION. UH, I THINK WE HAVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR. FEBRUARY 2028? YEAH. TO, TO COMPLETE EVERYTHING. BUT, UH, BASED OFF OF THE SCHEDULES THAT WERE, ARE IN, ARE IN EACH PROPOSAL, UM, THOSE WILL BE PUT INTO THE WORK PLAN AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH COUNSEL SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF WHEN THESE DEADLINES ARE BEING SUBMITTED BECAUSE THE EPA ALSO REQUIRES QUAR - UH, I THINK QUARTERLY REPORTS, UH, QUARTERLY REPORTS WHERE THEY WANNA SEE THAT YOU ARE HITTING THOSE MILESTONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE WORK PLAN. GARBAGE PROPOSAL AND DCS PROPOSAL WILL BE DONE IN, IN SIX, SEVEN MONTHS. UM, WE CAN GO THERE. YEAH. BUT WE, WE, WE, WE, WE'D BE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME THAT IS REQUIRED. OKAY. SO FEB 28, ULTIMATE FINAL DATE, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE INTERIM MILESTONES YOU GUYS WILL BE REPORTING ON TO SHOW THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS - YES. FOR EPA AND FOR COUNCIL. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST ONE LAST THING. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION ADMIN AND OBSERVATION W - D- DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU WOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROLONG THE GRANT, UH, DEADLINE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. YOU SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE MORE ON THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD OR THAT WAS ALL - THAT WAS ALL REALLY THAT, UH, WE SUBMITTED. OH, UH, WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. IT'S, UH, BEEN ACCEPTED. IT'S INCOMPLETE, OBVIOUSLY. UH, WE ARE WAITING FOR THE, UM, RESOLUTIONS THAT COUNCIL WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY. AND, UH, WHEN THOSE ARE APPROVED, COUNCIL'S NOT APPROVED ANY FUNDING, IT'S NOT TIED TO ANY MONEY. IT'S JUST, UH, PRETTY MUCH LETTING THE WATER BOARD, UH, THE COUNCIL BODY, IT'S, UH, UH, AWARE THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A LOAN AND THAT'S JUST ME GOING OUT THERE AND, AND TRYING TO GET MONEY. UM, BUT ONCE WE GET THOSE, UH, THE, ONCE WE GET THE, UH, LETTER, UM, OF, UH, INCOMPLETE, UM, WE CAN SUBMIT THOSE DOCUMENTS ALONG WITH THE, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT ACTUALLY FRESNO NICHOLS IS WORKING ON, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, A PRELIMINARY FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO SUBMIT, TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP. ARE WE GONNA HAVE THAT IN TIME FOR ME TO GET THOSE RESOLUTIONS AND STUFF ON THE 19TH? YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS IN THE PACKET NOW. OKAY. BUT YOU SAID YOU NEEDED THE, ORIGINALLY YOU SAID YOU NEEDED THE NUMBERS FROM THAT LETTER TO FILL IN ON THE RESOLUTION OR DO WE NOT NEED THAT? WE, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT WAS, UH, THAT WE INVITED FOR. UM, THE RES - THE RES - THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS STILL NEEDED, BUT THE AMOUNT, UM, COULD'VE BEEN HIGHER THAT WE, WE COULD ASK FOR, UH, AS A LOAN, BUT WE DECIDED TO GO, UH, [00:50:01] PUT, UH, THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT WE WERE INVITED FOR. AND THEN, UH, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, IF IT SHOWS MORE THAN JUST THE WATER BOARD KNOWS THAT WE'LL NEED MORE MONEY. UH, MR. HALL? Y - UH, YOU USED THE WORD LOAN A COUPLE OF TIMES. UH, SO IS THIS A LOAN OR, OR IS THIS A GRANT? IT'S A LOAN. TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, IT'S A LOAN. SO, SO WE'LL HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK. YES, SIR. AND THAT HAS TO BE FOUND IN THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE. YES, SIR. I SEE. OKAY. IT'S A LOW INTEREST LOAN. BUT THE EPA MONEY IS A GRANT. YES, SIR. MM-HMM. . MR. AVARILLO? UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RE - IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT, THIS IS NOT US COMMITTING TO BORROWING MONEY. THIS IS JUST - YEAH. GOING FORWARD BECAUSE I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO, UM, REVIEW INTEREST RATES, THE TERMS OF THE LOAN AND, AND REPAYMENT, UH, PLANS, OF COURSE, TO FIGURE THAT OUT, UH, BASED OFF OF THE AMOUNT THAT WE BORROW. BUT SO THAT, THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT SET IN STONE THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO A FINITE NUMBER - NO. OF ANY AMOUNT. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, THE, ALL THAT, IT'S, UH, WE STILL HAVE A, A LOT OF WORK TO DO. WE'RE GONNA SIT WITH FINANCE AND, UH, THE, UH, THE BOND, BOND COUNCIL, EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THE CITY MANAGER WILL DISCUSS THAT AND WE'LL SEE HOW TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL SO THEY CAN SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ERNESTO BEFORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'LL BRING IT... WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, COUNCIL GIVE ME GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL. UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS OPEN, SO JUST PLEASE TELL US WHICH ONES YOU'RE DISCUSSING. MAYOR PROTOM? ACTUALLY, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE, IS IT GARVER HERE THIS EVENING? YES. OH. NDCS, BOTH. IN TERMS OF, UM, THE WORK THAT IS ONGOING, ANY CHANGES IN THAT? I MEAN, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TELL ME, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SCOPE UNTIL WHERE WE ARE AND GOING FORWARD ON A HIGH LEVEL? SURE. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JEFF MEADOWS. I'M WITH GARVER. I'M ONE OF OUR TREATMENT LEADS HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. UH, SO I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WAS SPENT TO DATE, WHAT, WHAT WORK WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT'S BEING ABANDONED. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? SO, UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE SELECTED IN SCOPE TO DESIGN THE EXPANSION AND OVERSEE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PLANT EXPANSION FROM ONE TO 1.5 MGD. UH, WHEN WE GOT TO JUST SHORT OF 30% DESIGN, UM, WE, WE WERE KIND OF PUT ON A HOLD AS STAFF REVISITED THE PROJECT AND THEN ULTIMATELY CAME BACK TO US WITH THE REVISED SCOPE. UH, WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED, UM, IN THAT INITIAL EFFORT, UH, I- IS NOT ALL ABANDONED WORK. UH, SO WE COMPLETED THE MAJOR AMENDMENT. SO THE INITIAL PERMIT, UH, HAD A FINAL DISCHARGE LIMIT OF 1.0 MGD. UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS WITH TCQ TO GET IT AMENDED TO 1.5 MGD, UM, WHICH GIVES YOU GUYS THE, THE ABILITY TO BUILD OUT, UH, IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT, THAT PERMIT WORK IS COMPLETE. AND THEN WHILE WE DID THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH TCQ TO ACTUALLY LET, UH, FOR, FOR POND STORAGE, UM, THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWING THE CITY TO KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT OF POND STORAGE THAT THEY HAVE NOW FOR WHEN THEY GO FROM ONE TO 1.5 MGD. INITIALLY, THEY WERE GONNA REQUIRE ABOUT 20 TO 30 MILLION EXTRA GALLONS OF POND STORAGE, UH, TO BE BUILT, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVE WITH WATER BALANCE CALCULATIONS AND, AND THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DO APPLY SO MUCH EFFLUENT TO YOUR GOLF COURSE THAT THE AMOUNT OF POND STORAGE YOU GUYS HAVE NOW, UH, IS SUFFICIENT. SO THAT PERMIT WILL ALLOW YOU GUYS TO EXPAND YOUR PLANT WITHOUT HAVING TO REDO THE DISCHARGE PERMIT, UM, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD ADDITIONAL PONDS. UH, IN ADDITION, WE COMPLETED TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY FOR THE ENTIRE SITE AND WE COMPLETED ALL GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE SITE. UM, THAT SURVEY AND GEOTECH WORK WILL BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE NEW SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE NEW DEWATERING BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE NEW TERTIARY FILTER SYSTEM. UM, WE ALSO DEVELOPED A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT. THAT PER WENT THROUGH DEWATERING SYSTEM ALTERNATIVE EVALUATIONS. UH, SO WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND WE ACTUALLY VISITED MULTIPLE, UH, WASTEWATER PLANTS TO EVALUATE WHICH TECHNOLOGY THEY WANTED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE WENT TO KYLE TO LOOK AT NEW BELT PRESS. WE WENT TO HUNTSVILLE TO LOOK AT A VOLUTE PRESS, WENT TO FLUGERVILLE TO LOOK AT CENTRIFUGES, AND ULTIMATELY WE SELECTED THE VOLUTE PRESS, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING CARRIED FORWARD IN THIS REVISED, UH, DESIGN SCOPE OF WORK. UM, THAT PER ALSO ESTABLISHES THE BUILD OUT PLAN, UM, TO 1.5 MGD, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN CRITERIA, BUT ALSO, UH, THE FINAL BUILD OUT TO 2.7 MGD, WHICH WAS THE, UM, FINAL BUILD OUT LISTED IN THE FRIES AND NICHOLS MASTER PLAN, [00:55:01] BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE INITIAL DESIGN, WE SAID, "WELL, WE'RE EXPANDING TO 1.5, BUT WE WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF THE SMALL SITE, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HAMSTRINGING, UH, THE CITY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF 2.7." SO ALL THAT PRELIMINARY LAYOUT, PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK IS DONE, AND THE CITY OWNS THAT, THAT REPORT. SO SHOULD THEY COME BACK TO THE EXPANSION PROJECT, THEY CAN PICK UP WHERE THEY LEFT OFF AND, UH, BY NO MEANS IS IT, IS IT ABANDONED WORK. THANK YOU. MR. HALL? WELL, I GUESS WHERE I, WHERE I'M, THE CITY, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, US, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH A PROJECT OF THE SCOPE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN, A- AND WHEN WE NEED TO REPLACE THE BELT PRESS, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SOME, SEE SOME OF THE PIECES THAT WE HAVE TO DO, NEED TO DO BROKEN OUT AND, AND BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE, REPLACE THE BELT PRESS. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UH, GOING TO TYPE ONE WATER, UH, UH, INFLUENT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A PRIORITY AND AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN DEFERRED, DEFERRED, DEFERRED, UH, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT MOVE FORWARD. SO THERE'S SOME PIECES OF THIS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITHOUT NECESSARILY OBLIGATING THE CITY FOR, UH, A, A S - A SIZABLE LOAN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAY, UH, AND, AND HAVE TO FIND THE, THE MONEY SOMEWHERE IN OUR BUDGET TO DO. AND SO, UH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OBLIGATING OURSELVES FOR, FOR, UH, EXPENSES THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM TO PAY FOR THOSE. THE, THE TWO ITEMS YOU IDENTIFIED ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD. WE ALSO INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, BUILDING A NEW HEADWORKS, BECAUSE THE OLD HEADWORKS IS, IS, UH, COMING UP AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, BUT THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE SCOPE. SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH VICTOR, HE SAID, "WE'RE ONLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE SUPER CRITICAL ITEMS, WHICH ARE THE DEWATERING BUILDING, UH, AND THE TERTIARY FILTERS FOR TYPE ONE REUSE. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS, UH, REMOVED AND STRIPPED OUT OF THE SCOPE." UH, JUST ONE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. UH, THE GRANT IS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THE DESIGN AND PLANNING. THE LOAN WOULD PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. WELL, THE PROPOSED LOAN WOULD PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. BUT, UH, FOR WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO COUNCIL TONIGHT, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PAID BY EPA OR THE WASTEWATER, SORRY, THE CO BONDS OR UTILITY FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND THEN FOR THE EFFLUENT PORTION, UH, WOULD BE PAID BY THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. WITH THIS REVISED OUTLOOK ABOUT NOT HAVING TO EXPAND, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE OF NOW WHEN YOU THINK LAGO VISTA HAS TO GO TO 1.5? AND YOU SAID THAT THE POND CAPACITY IS SUFFICIENT NOW. UH, HOW LONG IS IT SUFFICIENT FOR? YOU HAVE AMPLE CAPACITY UNTIL YOU HIT 1.5 MGD, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET TO 1.5, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO ANOTHER MAJOR AMENDMENT TO ALLOW YOU TO DISCHARGE UP TO 2.7 AT THAT POINT IN TIME. YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT TCEQ WANTS FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE. BUT IF YOU DID AN EXPANSION TO 1.5, YOU WOULD HAVE AMPLE POND CAPACITY. DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT? THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE PLAN TO, UH, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED. UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE CAPACITY, IT'S ACTUALLY THE STRUCTURE. AND ONCE WE EVALUATE BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER, IT'LL GIVE US A BETTER TIMELINE OF WHAT, UH, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND IN WHAT WAY DO WE MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO ACTUALLY GET THE CAPACITY WE NEED OR DO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY EXPAND? SO I'M UNDERSTANDING KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS ALTERING THE PLAN TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THE NEW PRESS. WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO SOME OF THIS, BUT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO EXPAND, YOU'RE SAYING YOU STILL NEED TIME TO EVALUATE. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD DOING WHAT WE KNOW IS NECESSARY. THE EXPANSION MAY STILL BE NECESSARY, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE TIMELINE RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I'M SURE AT SOME POINT AN EXPANSION WILL BE REQUIRED IF, IF FOLKS CONTINUE TO MOVE HERE. I THINK THE FREEZER NICHOLS ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, SAID YOU'D BE AT CAPACITY, I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT MAYBE 2028 OR SO, AND THAT SPURRED THE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT TO EXPAND IT. BUT THEN WHEN, WHEN VICTOR AND HIS TEAM WERE LOOKING AT IT, THEY SAW THAT THE FLOWS WERE ACTUALLY PLATEAUED AND THEY WEREN'T AT THAT 75% CAPACITY, WHICH TRIGGERS THE 75-90 RULE WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE IN DESIGN. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFF AND MAYBE FOR FRIESA NICHOLS TO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC TRENDS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE AT? WHEN, WHEN DO WE THINK WE'LL, WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE? BUT AT LEAST, I THINK LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT IT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE PAST 2030 AT THIS POINT. UNDER GARBER'S SCOPE, DO YOU ALL EVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, YOU GO ASSESS IT YOURSELF AND SAY, "YES, I, I AGREE WITH THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE ON, OR I'VE SEEN YOUR PLAN, I'VE SEEN YOU'RE AT, I THINK YOU'RE MAYBE NOT PLANNING IN THE WAY THAT WE WOULD." OR DO YOU JUST SIMPLY TAKE THE DATA AND INPUT THAT STAFF GIVE YOU AND YOU RUN WITH THAT? IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, UH, I GUESS IS ASKED FOR US WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY SCOPED TO DO THE EXPANSION OF 1.5 MGD, WE WERE RELYING ON THE NEWLY MINTED, UM, WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. WE DO WASTEWATER [01:00:01] MASTER PLANS AS WELL. FRIESEN NICHOLS IS A WELL RESPECTED, UH, UH, MASTER PLAN ENGINEER. SO AT THAT POINT, SINCE THAT LEGWORK WAS DONE, WE WERE GOING OFF, OFF THEIR MODEL AND, UH, NOT TRYING TO, TO CREATE ANY REWORK, BUT IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE IS NO MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WORK THAT AS A PART OF OUR SCOPE AND TO SAY, "OKAY, WELL YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DONE ANY PLANNING WORK, SO TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU NEED, WE'LL LOOK AT HISTORIC TRENDS, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE, UH, UH, WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE, UH, ZONING, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE AND WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE FOR FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH." BUT THAT WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE TIME WE WERE SELECTED. SO YOU HAVEN'T REEVALUATED ANY OF THE UNDERLYING DATA, YOU'RE JUST CONSUMING WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU AND YOU GUYS ARE IN AGREEMENT? FOR THIS PROJECT, YES. OKAY. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW ON JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SHARPER DETAIL THERE. I, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU HAVE NOT REVIEWED AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT CHARTERED TO OR PAID FOR REDOING THAT WORK THAT FRIESEN NICHOLS ALREADY DID. THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR. UM, WHAT I, WHERE I THINK THE MAYOR IS GOING IS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT ENOUGH, OBVIOUSLY NOT TO VALIDATE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PAY YOU TO VALIDATE IT, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT ENOUGH THAT YOU SAY, "THIS IS NOT OBVIOUSLY JUST STUPID." UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T OBVIOUSLY LOOK WRONG, UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T VALIDATED ALL THE DETAILS. IS THAT A FAIR LEVEL? SURE. YEAH. SO WHEN WE... YEAH. AFTER THE MASTER PLAN WAS, WAS GENERATED AND PRODUCED, YOU KNOW, VICTOR, I THINK MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO AFTER THE MASTER PANEL WAS PUBLISHED, YOU KNOW, GAVE US THE HISTORICAL EFFLUENT DATA AND I THINK IT WAS A PRETTY STRONG R-SQUARED VALUE LINEAR CORRELATION THAT SHOWED, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T GONNA CROSS THE 1MGD CAPACITY TILL AFTER 2030. YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WAS A STRAIGHT LINE SHOWING THEY'RE GONNA CROSS 1MGD IN 2029, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDA, OR 2028, WE'D HAVE RAISED OUR HAND AND BEEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS NOW. BUT, UM, FROM, FROM THE DATA WE SAW, YOU KNOW, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, STAFF KNOWS SOMETHING I DON'T, LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING, THEN THE, THE CORRELATION WAS PRETTY STRONG AND, AND NO RED FLAGS WENT OFF FOR US WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TREND DATA. THANK YOU. YEAH, SO I'M JUST NERVOUS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GO THIS ROUTE AND THEN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW SOME COUNCIL IS SWEARING AT US SAYING YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO EXPAND WHEN YOU NEEDED TO AND NOW WE'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE. SURE. AND, AND ONE THING I'LL NOTE, SO THE, THE, THE MAJOR PIECE OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING IN IS THE TYPE ONE REUSE SYSTEM. WE FULLY INTEND THAT TO BE AN EXPANDABLE SYSTEM AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT SUCH THAT IT CAN TREAT THE ONE MGD TODAY, BUT WILL BE EASILY EXPANDED TO 1.5 AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOOTPRINT AROUND IT FOR 2.7. YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, IF WE'RE DOING A NEW DUCT BANK, RIGHT, WE'VE GOT CONDUIT SIZE FOR, FOR APPROPRIATE CONDUCTORS TO GO OUT THERE TO POWER FUTURE EQUIPMENT SO THAT IT CAN GROW INTO 1.5 AND EVENTUALLY 2.7. WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA LOOK AT THIS FROM A, A LONG-TERM POINT OF VIEW KNOWING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, YOU GUYS WILL LIKELY DO AN EXPANSION. AND, AND I DON'T WANNA NARROW OUR, ON THE TYPE ONE FILTERS TO ONE COMPANY'S PRODUCT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN THE AQUA DISC, IT'S MODULAR. THEY, THEY TOLD US IT WAS PRETTY PLUG AND PLAY. SO AS YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS THAT HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT? IT IS PLUG AND PLAY AND IT'S NOT... BECAUSE WHEN WE DID AN ORIGINAL DURING THE FREEZE AND NICKELS, I THINK TIME PLAN, WE WERE TOLD, YOU KNOW, GOING TO TYPE ONE COULD COST YOU 10, 15, 20, 30 MILLION DOLLARS. MM-HMM THEN WE FOUND THIS AQUADISK AND THEY SAID IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN A MILLION FOR JUST THE ACTUAL COMPONENT. SURE, YEAH. I MEAN, INSTILL, INSTALLED COSTS WILL BE MORE BY THE TIME SOMEONE PROCURES IT AND YOU RUN ELECTRICAL TO YARD PIPING AND ALL THAT. BUT, UH, YEAH, THE AQUA DISC IS A, IS A NICE, YOU KNOW, MODULAR PACKAGE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. WE'LL HAVE TO DESIGN A, A SLAB FOR IT TO SIT ON. WE'LL HAVE TO RUN POWER TO IT. YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO DO YARD PIPING, SITE CIVIL. UM, BUT FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FOR, UH, THESE TERTIARY FILTER SYSTEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BUILD A CONCRETE BASIN FROM THE GROUND UP. THERE'S A LOT MORE, UH, CONCRETE POURED ON SITE. YOU KNOW, THIS AQUADISC IS, IS KIND OF A, A, A METAL BASIN, UH, METAL TANKS, IF YOU WILL, SO IT DOES ALLOW IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER TO IMPLEMENT. AND YEAH, AQUADISC IS A WELL-KNOWN SYSTEM, AND AT LEAST PART OF OUR SCOPE OF WORK IS, UH, ONE, JUST EVAL- EVALUATING AND, AND VERIFYING THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, AND THEN TWO, WE WILL DO, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, DIRECT SELECT THIS, UH, EQUIPMENT, UM, ASSUMING IT MAKES SENSE AFTER WE'VE DONE OUR VALIDATION, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE, UH, PRE-NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THEM. SO WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, THEY TELL US A NUMBER, THEN ON BID DAY, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WRITTEN IN AND THE NUMBER ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS 50% LARGER. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY DO SOME PRE-NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM. WE'LL, WE'LL EXECUTE LETTERS OF INTENT WITH THEM. AND WE'VE HAD, UH, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH DOING THAT WITH VENDORS WHERE WE CAN GET THEM TO ACTUALLY HOLD THEIR PRICING, YOU KNOW, FROM 30%. AND THEN WE REACH A POINT WHERE WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT PRICING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY, AND THEN THEY, THEY WILL HOLD IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UM, DESIGN. YOU KNOW, [01:05:01] THEY'LL, WE'LL ALLOW THEM TO, UH, INCREASE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, CPI COST OF INFLATION, UH, AND ANY ADDED CHANGES IN SCOPE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PERFORM THOSE SERVICES AS WELL. AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD TO HEAR THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT, THAT PART OF IT, BECAUSE I WONDERED HOW DO WE INITIATE THE PROCESS OF, OF SELECTING THEM AND GETTING THERE? SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. IS THAT THE SAME WITH THE, IS IT THE VOLUTE PRESS, YOU SAID? WE'LL DO THE SAME ON THE VOLUTE PRESS AND WE ACTUALLY, I JUST OPENED, UH, PROPOSALS LAST WEEK, UH, WHICH INCLUDED A PRE-SELECTED VALUT PRESS AND, AND THEY WERE GREAT. THEY HELD THEIR PRICE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE, UH, THE WHOLE EIGHT MONTHS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM AND ON, ON BID DAY, NOTHING CHANGED, SO. AND WHAT, AND THIS IS JUST MY CURIOSITY, WHAT MADE Y'ALL DECIDE ON THE VOLUT PRESS AND HOW IS IT BETTER THAN, I MEAN, EVERY, ANYTHING IN THE WORLD IS BETTER THAN THIS BELT PRESS THAT WE HAVE. SURE, YEAH. YEAH, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE BELTS THAT YOU HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PULL IN AND OUT AND MAINTAIN, DOESN'T HAVE THE, UH, SPRAY BARS, UH, UH, ON ALL THE BELTS, WHICH CREATE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NASTY MIST IN THE ROOM. BUT WE, WE LOOKED AT THREE TECHNOLOGIES. WE LOOKED AT THE, THE LATEST BELT PRESSES. WE WENT TO CITY OF KYLE TO, TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE, THE THREE BELT PRESS THAT THEY HAVE THERE. WE LOOKED AT CENTRIFUGES, WHICH ARE A, A NICE CONTAINED SYSTEM, BUT PRETTY ENERGY INTENSIVE, UH, AT THE FLUGERVILLE CENTRAL PLANT. AND THEN WE WENT TO HUNTSVILLE TO LOOK AT THE VOLUTE PRESS. SO GARVER HAS, UH, DESIGNED AROUND ALL THREE AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED ALL THREE WITH OWNERS BASED ON THEIR PREFERENCE. BUT WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH PLANT STAFF, UH, AFTER DOING THOSE SITE VISITS AND, AND KIND OF DOING A, A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT THEY LIKED THE MOST, SIMPLEST OPERATIONS, CLEANEST, EASIEST TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, LEAST AMOUNT OF MOVING PIECES. SO, UH, IT WAS A, IT WAS A, A, A THOROUGH EVALUATION WHERE WE ACTUALLY WENT AND, YOU KNOW, PUT EYES ON THINGS IN PERSON WITH PLANT STAFF TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANTED. HOW EXACTLY DOES IT WORK THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE BELT PRESS? SO A BELT PRESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SLUDGE COMES IN AND YOU'RE SQUEEZING IT BETWEEN TWO BELTS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THE WATER. A VOLUTE PRESS IS, IS KIND OF LIKE A INCLINE CONVEYOR THAT HAS A SCREW THAT'S JUST ROTATING THE SOLIDS UP AND THE WATER COMES DOWN. UM, THERE, THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY MOVING PIECES. THERE'S AN INFLUENT TANK WHERE THE SLUDGE COMES IN, POLYMER'S FED TO COAGULATE THE, UH, THE SOLIDS, AND THERE'S A, A LOW HORSEPOWER MIXER THAT, UM, IS IN THAT FLOCK TANK. AND THEN FROM THERE, IT GOES TO THE, UH, INTO THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE SCREW PRESS TANK. AND THEN YOU HAVE A MOTOR ON THE END OF THE SCREW, AND TYPICALLY YOU'LL HAVE AT LEAST TWO SCREWS. SO IF ONE SCREW GOES DOWN, YOU CAN STILL OPERATE THE OTHER. SO REALLY, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SMALL SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE, BUT IT'S A LOW HORSEPOWER MOTOR, UH, THAT'S JUST USED TO MIX THE POLYMER IN WITH THE, UH, THE INFLUENCE SLUDGE. SO IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY SIMPLE TO OPERATE. UM, I THINK THE SIMPLICITY IS WHAT, WHAT DROVE STAFF TO SELECT IT. YEAH. AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION, SORRY, IS, UM, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AROUND THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN GET ALL THIS DONE BY? UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE IN THERE A MAX OF, UH, SIX MONTHS. WE'RE JUMPING STRAIGHT TO 60% DESIGN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE PRE-SELECTION OF THE EQUIPMENT AND STAFF ALREADY KNOWS THAT THEY WANT THE AQUADISK. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE TO VALIDATE THE AQUADISK FILTERS FOR THIS APPLICATION AND WE HAVE TO DO THE, UH, PRE-NEGOTIATION WITH THEM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL JUMP STRAIGHT TO 60% AND THEN 90 AND 100 AND THEN HOPE TO GET THIS ON THE STREET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK, WE NOTE THAT THOSE ARE THE, UH, MAXIMUM, UH, UH, TIMES, UH, FOR EACH DELIVERABLE AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO COMPRESS THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THIS PROJECT. AND, AND THEN HOW SOON AFTER YOU FINISH THAT CAN WE GET TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE VOLUTE PRESS? 'CAUSE I KNOW THE BELT PRESS IS ALWAYS A TICKING TIME BOMB FOR US. SO YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE STREET AND, UH, ADVERTISE THE PROJECT AND SELECT A CONTRACTOR AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, UH, TO GET THROUGH THE SUBMITTAL PHASE AND PROCUREMENT PHASE AND INSTALLATION. UM, BUT ALSO IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK IS HELPING THE CITY, UH, IDENTIFY, UH, THEY CALL THEM, YOU KNOW, MOBILE BELT PRESSES OR RENTAL BELT PRESSES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY, UH, DOING WET HAULS OF THEIR SLUDGE WHEN THE BELT PRESS IS DOWN. UM, BUT THEY ACTUALLY DO LIKE RENTAL BELT PRESSES ON TRAILERS. SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA HELP THE CITY WITH IS, UH, I- IDENTIFYING SOME COMPANIES THAT CAN DO THAT AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ANTICIPATE IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN WET HAULING, BUT HELPING THEM IMPLEMENT THAT SOLUTION IN THE INTERIM TO HELP SAVE SOME MONEY. SEE ERNESTO SMILING AND DOWN HIS HEAD. OKAY, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER, SO THAT'S GREAT TO KNOW. YEAH. IT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE WE HAD A TERRIBLE TIME LAST YEAR WITH THIS AND IT'S, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? HOW MUCH EVERY TIME ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS CAME OUT WAS LIKE 2,500 BUCKS. 28. 28. SO THANK YOU. 2836. WOW. MS. CHAVARRIA? UM, I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE VALUE PRESS. MY, MY FATHER LIVES OUT IN CROCKETT, SO IT'S OUTSIDE, JUST A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF HUNTSVILLE THERE. UM, AND HE, THE WAY THAT HE EXPLAINED IT TO ME, AND THIS MIGHT HELP PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR, HE, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT HE COMPARED IT TO A CEMENT TRUCK MIXED WITH A GOLD SLUSH, BASICALLY, WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S SPINNING IT OUT AND THE, AND THE WATER AND EVERYTHING IS COLLECTING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OUTWARD AND THE SOLIDS ARE BEING PULLED [01:10:01] DOWN. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY IMPRESSED WITH OUR SELECTION OF THAT. SO WAY TO GO ERNEST THOUGH, I'M PICKING THAT ONE BECAUSE IT IS EASY. UM, IT IS A LOW HORSEPOWER. UM, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S A, UH, NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW IT'S, HOW THE GEARING ON THERE IS WORK, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY DECENT WARRANTY DEPENDING ON WHO THE MANUFACTURER IS. SO I'D BE IN- INTERESTED TO SEE WHO - YEAH, PW TECH IS WHO WE'D BE LOOKING TO SPECIFY. OKAY. THEY'RE OUT OF PENNSYLVANIA, I BELIEVE. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT... I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE IS TECHNICALLY CALLED A SCREW PRESS, BUT THE VOLUT PRESS IS THE ONE BY PW TECH. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, AND, AND THESE WOULD ALL BE CONSIDERED WAR - LIKE WARRANTY PIECES AND, AND, UH, WHEN SAY A MECHANICAL FAILURE HAPPENS, WHICH IT WILL EVENTUALLY, UM, THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL PIECES THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE EXCHANGED OUT, UH, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND THE, AND THE WHOLE, UH, THE, THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE WARRANTIED. RIGHT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT IS IT FOR YOU. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? UM, OPEN TO MOTIONS AS WELL. I THINK I'LL SAY MY TAKE IS I, I THINK I AM COMFORTABLE NOW WITH THE GARVER ONE. UH, I'M STILL NOT FULLY CONFIDENT IN THE DCS ONE, BUT, UM, Y'ALL TELL ME THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT OR WE RISK THIS FUNDING. UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM COUNCIL ON IT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD STUFF, I'M GOOD WITH APPROVING THAT RESOLUTION AND KEEPING US ALIVE FOR THAT FUNDING UNTIL WE MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. MR. BENEFIELD? UH, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD ON EITHER ONE OF THEM TODAY. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE'VE SPENT MONEY ON DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND THAT WE'VE NEVER USED IT. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, POND 17'S GOING DOWN MORE THAN IT'S EVER WENT DOWN BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE REPAIRS THAT WE'VE DONE TO CEDAR BREAKS. UM, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM ONLINE AT THE GOLF COURSE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA EASE THE BURDENS OF OUR WASTEWATER. UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT THIS WAS A NEED, THAT WE'RE AT CAPACITY. IT HAS TO BE DONE TODAY. UM, THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN MY MIND COULDN'T BE CHANGED. I MEAN I'M SURE I COULD SIT DOWN WITH VICTOR AND WE COULD HAVE A GREAT CONVERSATION AND MAYBE YOU COULD CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE. UM, I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD THAT TODAY. SO, UM, IF I WAS, IF I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY, THE ANSWER'S PROBABLY NO. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF WE DIDN'T KICK THE CAN DOWN TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM MAYBE MORE ONE-ON-ONE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I COULDN'T FEEL DIFFERENTLY. BUT, UH, I JUST, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH... I DON'T FEEL THE URGENCY AND I'VE SEEN TOO MUCH WASTE ON THESE DESIGNS. AND, UH, TO SPEAK THAT WE DO IT, WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 19TH. WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 2ND. WE'LL DISCUSS LATER IF WE'LL HAVE A SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER OR NOT. SO THERE'S TIME, I GUESS FOR STAFF IT IS, ARE THERE DEADLINES AGAIN THAT IF WE DON'T HIT THEM, WE'RE IN TROUBLE? NOT NECESSARILY DEADLINES. IT'S JUST THE FIRST ANNUAL REPORT IS DUE AND I WAS HOPING TO GET THAT ANNUAL REPORT SENT WITH, UH, NEXT WEEK WITH THE UPDATED WORK PLAN. UM, IF WE CONTINUE TO PUSH IT OUT AND WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED WORK PLAN OF ACTUAL PROPOSALS AND COSTS ALLOCATED, THEN WE CAN GET A COUPLE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'LL LOOK AT LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN. IT DELAYS THE FUNDING AND THEN THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THOSE ARE DELIVERED AND WHEN THESE, UH, EPA GRANTS ARE UTILIZED IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. OKAY. MR. BATTERFIELD, IS THERE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION OR REPORTS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF THAT'LL HELP YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION? NOT TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. I GUESS THE TWO BIGGEST QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS THE URGENCY AND THE FEAR THAT WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THIS ROAD OF DESIGNING, BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE DONE IT. WE'VE SPENT MONEY ON DESIGN, NEVER DID THE PROJECT. WE'VE SPENT MONEY ON DESIGN, CHANGED OUR GAME PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S 200,000 HERE, IT'S 600,000 THERE. IT ADDS UP TO 10% OF OUR BUDGET SOMETIMES. AND SO TH- THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S REALLY MY CONCERN IS A, IS IT LIKE, ARE WE THERE TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO DO IT? LIKE, UM, OUR PROJECTIONS OF BEING AT CAPACITY, WE THOUGH WE'RE GONNA BE AT 2028, THEN IT WENT TO 2030, AND THESE NUMBERS JUST KEEP PUSHING OUT. SO WITHOUT US EVEN KNOWING WHAT OUR CAPACITIES ARE, WHAT OUR USAGES ARE, WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM, WE'RE GETTING ONE READING FROM POND 17, WE'RE GETTING ANOTHER READING AT CEDAR BREAKS, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T PERSONALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THE DECISION TODAY UNLESS SOMEBODY SAID, "HEY, THESE ARE THE FACTS." AND, AND, AND YES, WE'RE GONNA DESIGN THIS AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND THIS IS MONEY WELL SPENT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE COURSE. SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP. UM, SO AS, AS, AS SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW, THE PONDS ARE IN, IN BAD SHAPE. SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS [01:15:01] IS THE WET WEATHER COMING UP. SO ONE OF THE, THE, THE SOLUTIONS WAS TO GO TO TYPE ONE, TO, FROM TYPE TYPE, TYPE TWO TO TYPE ONE. THIS IS GETTING US A STEP CLOSER TO THAT. IT IS NOT AN URGENCY RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE WEATHER COMES WHERE OUR PONDS RIGHT NOW ARE LOW AND THEY'RE KEEPING, THEY'RE BEING KEPT LOW BECAUSE IF WE GO HIGHER, THEY START LEAKING INTO OUR CREEKS EVERYWHERE ELSE. WE ACTUALLY HAD TO RENT PUMPS TO RE-PUMP THE WATER BACK INTO THE PONDS. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT'S THE URGENCY. NOW WE'LL HAVE THE TYPE ONE TO START EVALUATING THAT AND THEN BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE AS COUNCIL DESIRED PREVIOUSLY AS THE STEP GETTING US CLOSER. BUT THE MAIN CONCERN IS THE, THE, THE, THE SHAPE OF THE PONDS AND HOW LOW WE GOTTA KEEP THEM. SO YOU KNOW I WANT TYPE ONE. SO I, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOATING ME HERE. UM, THE OTHER CONCERN - AND I DO, AND I LOVE THAT. UM, AND, AND IF THAT'S THE GOAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE BECAUSE OF WORKLOAD OF MAKING THAT TRANSITION. SO IF, IF THAT REALLY IS THE INTENTION OF SAYING, "HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS AND THIS TRANSITION IS PART OF THE PRO-" I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S IN YOUR WORK PLAN TO MAKE IT, BUT IF IT'S LIKE, "WE'RE REALLY GONNA DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT TRANSITION," THEN THAT OBVIOUSLY IS EXCITING. IT IS VERY EXCITING FOR US. WE REALLY WANTED TO GO TO TYPE ONE AS WELL BECAUSE WE, WE, WE CAN SEE IT, UH, AS A REVENUE WAY TO MAKE MONEY AND WE, WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY OBVIOUSLY. AND THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET IT. AND THIS ONE STEP GETTING US CLOSER, NOT JUST ONE AREA, BUT CITYWIDE. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS COUNSEL'S DESIRE. IT IS THE STAFF DESIRES AS WELL, AND THAT'S GETTING US THERE. AND THIS IS A BIG STEP. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT URGENT YET, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S URGENT TO BE, TAKE ACTION. THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD. AND, UH, I THINK, UH, I CAN LET THIS EXPERT TALK, DCS, WHICH THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BEEN SELECTED TO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL AND ALL THAT, AND THEY CAN ANSWER PROBABLY ANY QUESTIONS AND HOW THIS IS GONNA BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY AND HOW WE, STAFF DOES PLAN TO USE THE TYPE, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS ENGINEERING AND HOW TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED IF, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. ERNESTO, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. UH, BUT LET, LET ME JUST STATE VERY QUICKLY, UM, I DID GO AHEAD AND PUT A SHORT DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. YES. OKAY. UH, JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE, I, I'M VERY VISUAL, AND SO A GANTT CHART THAT SHOWS IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE TIMELINE, BUT THE INTERDEPENDENCIES, RIGHT? STEP ONE, STEP TWO, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING. YES. UM, ALONG WITH YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEARING FROM US UP HERE, WHAT'S THE RISK IF WE DON'T DO IT? RIGHT. UH, SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME VERY REAL DEADLINES IN TERMS OF EPA REPORTING, IN TERMS OF OUR WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD APPLICATION, ET CETERA. SO TO SEE THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, VICTOR AND ERNESTO, BUT IF, IF THERE IS, THEN THAT IS HELPFUL IN A ONE PAGE SHEET, RIGHT, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT. IT ALSO SHOWS, ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? ARE WE NOT? YOU KNOW, W- WHAT DO WE EXPECT THIS HAPPENED, THIS HAPPENED, THIS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF MILESTONES. SO I, I'M JUST GONNA STATE THAT AND THEN I'LL SAY THANK YOU, UH - BEFORE I STEP UP... WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DCS? WE, WE SAW WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IT AND NOW WITH OUR NEARLY CITY ENGINEER, WE THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD. SO WE'RE GONNA START WORKING ON THAT AND, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED MAYOR, WE'LL START WORKING ON THOSE. THANK YOU. UH, ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM BEFORE, SORRY. UM, SO OUR PERMANENT CAPACITY FOR ACTUALLY TREATING EFFLUENT AT THE PLANT IS ONE MGD. THE ACTUAL ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE T-LABS, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 750,000. THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE OF EXPANDING CEDAR BREAKS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE CANNOT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE ACREAGE AND EFFLUENT, UH, IRRIGATION TO ACTUALLY SATISFY OUR ONE MGD PLANT. CAN, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE 750,000 AT CEDAR BREAKS AND WE'RE GONNA, AND WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT 450,000 DAILY AT, UH, THE GOLF COURSE. NO? N- NO. WITHIN THE TLAPS CALCULATIONS, BOTH THE GOLF COURSE AND WHAT'S EXISTING AT CEDAR BREAKS IS ONLY A DISPOSAL LIMIT OF 750,000. BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WE'LL NEED, THAT'S WHY THIS EXPANSION FOR CEDAR BREAKS IS NEEDED WITHIN THE SHORT TERM BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH, UH, IRRIGATION AREA OUT THERE TO HIT THE ONE MGD, INCLUDING THE CEDAR BREAKS AND THE GOLF COURSE. IS THAT, IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT HIGHLAND LAKES FOR THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT? NO. OKAY. UM, SO WE WOULD NEED A FULL HUNDRED ACRES OF IRRIGATED LAND AT CEDAR BREAKS IN ORDER TO SATISFY OUR ONE MGD TLAPS PERMIT. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. DARREN STRZEWSKI WITH DCS, UH, PROJECT PRINCIPAL. UH, AND I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WILEY WEBB. HE'S A PROJECT MANAGER FOR DCS ON THE PROJECT. UH, [01:20:01] GREAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT. I LOVE THE DIRECTION THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING. I LOVE THE QUESTIONS AND THE DIALOGUE. UH, THIS IS RIGHT UP OUR ALLEY. UH, A LOT OF QUESTIONS. MAYOR, YOU LED OFF EARLY WITH SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA TRY TO HIT ALL OF THEM. UM, AND, AND IF I DON'T, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ADDRESS THEM. UH, SO FOR OUR SCOPE OF THE WORK ON THIS, FOR THE, UH, CEDAR BRAKES, UH, IRRIGATION SYSTEM, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT JUST RECALCULATING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN CALCULATED. AS YOU SAID, THAT'S A WASTE OF TIME. AND THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF PROJECT I EVER WANNA DO. UM, WE DCS, UH, DO QUESTION, UM, ANYTHING WE ROLL UP ON THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE. UH, SOMETIMES WE HAVE EXPERIENCES IN OUR TOOLBOX THAT OTHERS MAY NOT HAVE. UH, THOSE TEND TO COME WITH EXPERIENCE AND YEARS AND YEARS OF DOING PROJECTS. UH, COLLECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GUYS WITH 40 PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE, AND THIS JUST COMES FROM THE BATTLE SCARS OF DOING THE WORK. UH, SO WE DO QUESTION, UH, NOT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT JUST LIKE, "HEY, IS THIS REALLY THE BEST SOLUTION?" AND THEN WE LOOK AT OUR DECISION MAKERS AND SAY, "ARE WE GONNA MEET THE GOALS THAT YOU GUYS ARE LAYING OUT?" AND WE ALIGN AND WE FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. WE WILL SAY SOMETHING IF, IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT, WE WILL SAY IT. UM, WE'RE NOT YES MEN. WE ARE, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE ARE. WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE PROJECT AND WHAT OUR PROJECT IS, IS TAKING YOUR EXISTING ASSETS, YOUR, YOUR LAND, THE ACREAGE, YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM, THE PONDS, UH, AND THE PIPELINE THAT CONVEYS THE WATER FROM THE WASTEWATER PLANT OVER TO CEDAR BREAKS AND LOOKING AT, AT HOLISTICALLY, INCLUDING RECLAIMED WATER AND SAYING, "HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THESE ASSETS TO MONETIZE THEM?" WE FUNDAMENTALLY, WE DCS FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THAT TAKING WATER THAT WE TREAT TO A HIGH LEVEL OF QUALITY AND THEN JUST DISPOSING OF IT ON THE LAND DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. WHY CAN'T WE SELL THAT WATER? WHY DON'T WE'RE USING IT ON THE GOLF COURSE, PROBABLY AT A VERY LOW COST BECAUSE GOLF COURSES TEND TO NOT BE ABLE TO PAY FULL PRICE FOR, YOU KNOW, WATER. BUT IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE WATER AND WE TOOK IT TO EVERY HOME AND PUT A METER THERE, NOW YOU CAN MONETIZE THAT AT 50% OF POTABLE COST, 75% OF POTABLE COST. BUT THE COST BENEFIT HAS TO BE THERE AND IT HAS TO CASH FLOW BECAUSE, UH, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, UH, IF IT DOESN'T CASH FLOW AND I CAN'T GET THE NEXT WEEK, NEXT YEAR, NEXT DECADE DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I'VE GOT TO GET TO ONE STEP AT A TIME. SO LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING, IF I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UH, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS IN HOUSTON THAT WE FINISHED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WHERE WE WERE TASKED WITH NORTH FORT BEND WATER AUTHORITY TO CAPTURE EVERY DROP OF THE WATER THAT CAME OUT OF THE WASTEWATER PLANT. AND IT'S NOT A, IT'S A DISCHARGE PERMIT. SO THEY WANT TO CAPTURE IT AND SEND IT FOR IRRIGATION. SO WE A- ACCOMPLISHED THAT. WE HAVE A FOLLOW-UP PROJECT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE OUTSTRIPPED THE ABILITY OF THE PLANT, THE WASTEWATER PLANT TO KEEP UP WITH IRRIGATION. SO THERE'S A, A PENDULUM THAT SWUNG ON THAT PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GONNA EXPECT TO FIND THAT YOUR IRRIGATION PATTERNS, YOUR CONTROLLERS, WHAT YOU'RE IRRIGATING, WHAT DAYS OF THE WEEK THAT THEY'RE PULLING DOWN THE TANK TOO MUCH. AND SO IT'S GONNA BE A WATER BALANCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE WASTEWATER PLANT ONLY GETS WHAT PEOPLE FLUSH DOWN THE TOILET WHEN THEY FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET. BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS IN, FROM A LENS OF NOT WHERE WE'VE BEEN, BUT WHERE DO WE NEED TO GO? UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I WANNA MAKE MONEY. I WANNA MAKE MONEY FOR YOU GUYS. IF YOU GUYS CAN LEVERAGE ASSETS TO, UH, MONETIZE OR RECLAIM WATER, IT'S GONNA REDUCE OVERALL COSTS FOR ALL THE CITIZENS IN THE BIG PICTURE THINGS. UH, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THIS, WE'LL SAY, "WELL, IF YOU START REDUCING THE POTABLE WATER DEMAND, WELL, NOW YOU MIGHT FREE UP SOME WATER RIGHTS AND YOU PROBABLY POSSESS X THOUSAND ACRE FEET." WELL, IF YOU TAKE THAT DEMAND OFF THE POTABLE SYSTEM AND YOU PUT IT ON A RECLAIM SYSTEM, AND THAT RECLAIM SYSTEM IS MONETIZED TO SUPPORT ITS OPERATION AND FUNDING THE CITY, THEN YOU HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS BE HERE IN 20, 30 YEARS WHEN Y'ALL BUILD OUT AND WE'RE IRRIGATING EVERY ACRE OF CEDAR BREAKS. I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. UH, THE MAINTENANCE ON YOUR PONDS, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY. I DON'T WANNA DO IT. I DON'T WANNA BUILD MORE PONDS. I WANNA TAKE THE WATER AND TAKE IT TO RECLAIM WATER, BUT IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE. IT'S GOT A CASH FLOW. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE [01:25:01] PARADIGM OF THINGS. ONE OTHER QUICK EXAMPLE IS WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, CLIENT HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS WHERE WE DID A STUDY OF A COMPLETE POTABLE SYSTEM AND A PARALLEL IRRI - UH, P - RECLAIM WATER SYSTEM. IN THAT CASE, AFTER A $6,500 IMPACT FEE CREDIT TO THE DEVELOPER, THAT DUAL SYSTEM WAS ONLY 15% MORE EXPENSIVE IN CAPITAL COST THAN THE SINGLE POTABLE SYSTEM. THE WATER PROVIDER IN THAT CASE WAS PROUD OF PROVIDING THE CREDIT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DRILL A BUNCH OF MORE WELLS. THEY WEREN'T GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A BUNCH OF PUMPING STATIONS AND GROUND STORAGE TANKS, WHICH WAS UPWARDS OF $20 MILLION ON THEIR SPEND TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS DIFFERENTLY AND YOU START TO PUT BUSINESS PRINCIPLES AGAINST IT, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES MAY BE PRESENT, NOT ALWAYS, BUT MAY BE PRESENT. AND SO THE BULLET POINTS IN OUR SCOPE, UM, ALIGN WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT BEHIND THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, TO CHANGE THE PIPELINE THAT GOES FROM THE, THE WASTEWATER PLANT TO CEDAR BREAKS INSTEAD OF A TRANSMISSION PIPELINE, A DISTRIBUTION PIPELINE. CAN WE TAP OFF THAT AS WE GO TO VARIOUS HOAS AND PUT A METER AND START SELLING RECLAIMED WATER TO WATER BOULEVARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEN BECOMES A REVENUE STREAM AND ANY UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT SUBDIVISIONS MAY START GOING INTO IN THE FUTURE. CAN WE, YOU KNOW, START CHANGING OUR PHILOSOPHY AND HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS TO DO THAT? I'LL BE VERY PLAIN TO SAY THAT GOING IN AND PUTTING RECLAIMED WATER PIPELINES IN EXISTING COMMUNITIES, IT DOESN'T MONEY. IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY TO GO BACK, RIP UP DRIVEWAYS AND PUT ALL THAT IN. IT, IT'S, IT'S TOO HIGH FRUIT. SO, SO THERE ARE LIMITS, UM, TO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY FUNCTIONALLY DO, BUT I WANTED TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY ENCAPSULATE ALL THE CONVERSATION AS SHORT AS I COULD, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BECAUSE WE SEE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE SEE IT AS ASSETS, BUT CAN WE LEVERAGE THOSE ASSETS IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN REDUCE OUR O&M ON MAINTENANCE? CAN WE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIMPLY NOT REHAB ONE OF THE PONDS? WE'RE NOT SURE RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. UM, TO WHAT VICTOR WAS SAYING, UH, WE ARE SHORT A LITTLE BIT AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO BUILD SOME MORE IRRIGATION SPRINKLER TYPE SYSTEM OUT THERE. WELL, IS THAT THE RIGHT PLAY? IT MIGHT BE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THE LONG TERM TO GET TO 2.7 MGD, THE CITY'S GONNA BE BUILT OUT. AND IF WE LOCK INTO SPRINKLING ALL OF THAT ON THE GROUND OR COMBINATION OF RECLAIMED WATER, GOLF COURSES AND SPRINKLING ON THE GROUND, DOING THAT NOW TO START SAVING THE MONEY AND LEVERAGING CAPITAL EXPENSE, UM, WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IS IT URGENT RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I, I, I HATE DOING STUDIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING STUDIES. I LIKE DESIGNING STUFF AND GETTING STUFF BUILT AND, AND SAVING MONEY OR MAKING MONEY THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, SO I'LL PAUSE THERE, THREW A LOT AT YOU, AND IF I DIDN'T GET SOME QUESTIONS, THEN I CAN ENTERTAIN THOSE. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THEN. UM, AND I KNOW YOU JUST SAID AS A BUSINESSMAN, YOU LIKE TO MAKE MONEY AND AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, I HATE TO SPEND MONEY. IS THERE STILL ROOM TO NEGOTIATE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK ON THIS CONTRACT? THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS LIKE TASK 210, IT'S THE ENGINEER'S OPINION OF MOST PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA USE THIS PLAN, SO YOU COULD COME UP WITH COSTS. WE DON'T, YOU START UTILIZING FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND THOSE COSTS DON'T MEAN MUCH. UM, LOOK AT OUR MASTER WATER PLANS. I PRETTY MUCH DON'T LOOK AT THOSE AMOUNTS ANYMORE AND THAT WAS JUST THREE YEARS AGO. AND THEN THE NEXT TASK, 215, IT SAYS REFINE THE CONCEPTUAL ENGINEER'S OPINION OF THE MOST PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO I HAVE ONE GIVING A VERY LOOSE COST, I GUESS, AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE WHERE YOU REALLY NARROW IT DOWN CONSIDERING WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN WE MAY USE THIS PLAN, MAYBE ONE OF THOSE IS REDUNDANT OR NOT NEEDED. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GET TO THE EXACT DETAIL BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA USE IT. UM, A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS IN HERE, YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MEETINGS WITH THE OPERATOR, UP TO TWO MEETINGS WITH TLAP FACILITY. IF WE HAD LESS MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT HELP LOWER SOME OF THE COSTS? JUST, IS THERE ANY NEGOTIATION ON THAT? I WASN'T SURE IF WE DID AN RFP AND YOU GUYS WERE RESPONDING TO A VERY SPECIFIC SCOPE OF WORK OR NOT. WELL, I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THO QUESTIONS AND VIC CAN JUMP IN IF HE NEEDS TO. UH, SO ON THE, ON SOME OF THE BOLD ITEMS, UH, FOR THE OPCS, I, I THINK TASK 215 IS THE... PRELIMINARY DESIGN. UM, [01:30:01] AND I THINK THE FIRST C - TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO A MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GONNA DO A HOLISTIC LOOK. AND IT'S WHERE, WHERE WE STAND NOW AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO. AND THE, AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO IS THE 2.7 MGD. UM, AND LIKE MY, UH, ASSOCIATES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PLAN IT OUT FOR FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR WINDOWS TYPICALLY, OR TAKE IT ALL THE WAY FROM FIVE YEAR, TENURE AND THEN ULTIMATE BUILD OUT. AND THEN WE'LL DO A CONCEPTUAL COSTS ON THAT TO GAME PLAN IT OUT, UH, WHETHER YOU WANNA BAKE THAT INTO AN IMPACT FEE OR YOU JUST KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND WHEN IT'S COMING. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AS SOON AS YOU PUT IT DOWN, IT'S GONNA CHANGE. UM, BUT IT'S HAVING AN INFORMED OPINION ON WHAT YOUR CHUNKS ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DELETE THAT FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK. UH, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND IT. UM, UH, LIKE OUR ASSOCIATES, WE TYPICALLY HAVE LIKE A, A TILE WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SMALL PROJECT DESCRIPTION, MAYBE A SMALL EXHIBIT OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE, AND THEN A, UM, AN OPC FOR WHAT IT'S GONNA, FOR WHAT THAT COST IS GONNA BE. UH, WE DO BAKE INFLATION INTO OUR ESTIMATES. WE GENERALLY ASSUME 3% IN MY CAREER, SAVE AND EXCEPT COVID, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE DOING 1% A MONTH, WHICH WAS CRAZY. UH, I'VE EXPERIENCED ROUGHLY TWO TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OVER MY 30 PLUS YEAR CAREER. UM, COVID IS AN ANOMALY, UH, IN THE, IN THE FACTORS OF THINGS. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, UH, I, I MISSED ONE. I THINK YOU HAD ONE OR TWO OTHER IN THERE. THINGS LIKE NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND SOMETIMES IT COMES DOWN TO WHO DO YOU HAVE WORKING ON THIS? IF THERE'S SOMEONE MORE JUNIOR WORKING ON IT, MAYBE THERE'S A LESS OF A COST. RIGHT. UH, GREAT QUESTIONS. UH, SO ON THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS, TWO IS KIND OF THE MINIM- MINIMUM THAT WE TEND TO DO. UH, REDUCING THOSE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A WHOLE LOT. IT, IT'S NOT A BIG, IT'S NOT A BIG SPEND. UM, WHAT WE TEND TO DO IN OUR, UH, OFFICES WITH MY LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, 30 PLUS YEARS, IS I'M BASICALLY AT A LEVEL WHERE, UH, I'M GOAL SETTING. AND, AND I COME IN, I SAY, "OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. THIS IS THE GOAL LINE. THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GO FOR." AND THEN WE DO STAFF THE PROJECTS WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE LOWEST LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS THE RIGHT FIT WITH OVERSIGHT. AND THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE PERSON AND THEIR EXPERIENCE. UH, ON THIS PROJECT, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A, A SIX YEAR ENGINEER THAT I HAVE IN MIND AND A 10 YEAR ENGINEER. UM, I'M 30, HE'S, HE'S 30 PLUS, YOU KNOW, HE'S A DOUBLE A OPERATOR. AND SO WE KIND OF PLAY OFF OF EACH OTHER. SO WE LOOK AT IT AS HE LOOKS FROM THE OPERATIONS SIDE. I TRY TO LOOK FROM THE OPERATIONS SIDE, MAINLY ENGINEERING, AND THEN HE TRIES TO LOOK FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE, BUT PRIMARILY OPERATIONS. SO, UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SUPER EXPERIENCED GUYS SITTING DOWN AT THE DESK EVERY DAY DOING, YOU KNOW, THE DAY TO DAY WORK, BUT WE ARE GONNA BE WATCHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN COME IN AND SPEND A FEW MINUTES AND SAY, "NOPE, YOU'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PIVOT, GO THIS WAY, UM, TO, TO GET BACK ON TASK." UM, AND I THINK I GOT ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. I THINK FOR ME IT'S JUST, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T TAKE ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT AND IT GETS KICKED TO THE NEXT MEETING OR MEETING AFTER. IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MEET WITH STAFF AND POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOME COST SAVINGS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE STRETCHING A SMALL GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED AND PULLING FROM DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS. SO LAGO'S TRYING TO FIND MONEY. WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS AHEAD OF US. SO ANY HELP IS, IS APPRECIATED. JUST TO TOUCH UP ON THAT ONE, UH, WHAT THE, THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT IS 80% COVERED BY THE EPA AND 20% COVERED BY WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. UH, THE PLACEHOLDER HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED, SO IT'S ONLY THE 216. THAT PLACEHOLDER OF... OH MAN, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NUMBER. BUT THAT PLACEHOLDER, UM, IF THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T GO THROUGH, WE DO LOSE OUT, I THINK IT'S AROUND 80,000 IN THE GRANT FUNDING. WE JUST WOULDN'T UTILIZE IT, BUT THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT WOULD BE PAID COMPLETELY WITH 80% OF EPA AND ONLY 20% OF THE CITY. SO EVEN REDUCING THE SCOPE, WE JUST LOSE OUT ON ADDITIONAL FUNDING. UM, JUST TO TOUCH UP ON THE MEETING PORTION, TWO MEETINGS I THINK IS A SOLID AMOUNT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD A, A COUPLE MEETINGS TO GET THEIR SCOPE AND THEIR PROPOSAL DOWN AS LOW COST AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT ANY UNKNOWNS. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTIONS FROM COUNCIL? MY ONLY, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. SO, UH, AT A, AT A ONE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO, UH, SIDES OF MY BRAIN HERE OR MY SIDES OF MY COMMENT. ONE IS WE KNOW, UH, AS, AS, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM OWEN HAS REMINDED US MANY TIMES THAT TO GET THROUGH THESE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SPENDS THROUGH THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND NOT RUN OUT OF MONEY IS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR US. UH, THIS IS A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THAT [01:35:01] MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SPENDS AND WE DON'T WANNA, WE DON'T WANNA WASTE MONEY, OBVIOUSLY. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD WE DEFER THIS FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS TO GET INTO OUR NEXT WINDOW? CLEARLY NOT. WE NEED TO GET THIS. ARE THERE SOME THINGS AROUND THE SCOPE THAT WE CAN CLEAN IT UP AND TIGHTEN IT UP AND SAVE A LITTLE BIT? THOSE ARE ALL GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK ALSO THE BALANCE COUNCIL IS, UH, SOMETIMES WE, WE MIGHT NEED TO SAY THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH, LET'S, LET'S LET STAFF FINISH THIS ONE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. AND, AND TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS POLISHED ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO A BUNCH MORE ROCK FETCHING EXERCISES FOR STAFF TO, TO CLEAN IT UP MORE. UH, SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, OF MOVING, MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE, UH, THE LEVEL, LE- LEVEL THEY'RE AT TONIGHT. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING. WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THIS, UH, EARLY ON, I WAS VERY, UH, I'LL SAY THAT I WAS ON THE FENCE AS WELL WITH, UH, UH, WITH, UH, ADAM, MR. BENEFIELD HERE. UM, BUT AFTER REALIZING AND WATCHING THE CENTRAL HEALTH AND GETTING SOME INFORMATION BACK FROM THE TEXAS DEMOGRAPHIC CENTER, UM, REGARDING OUR ACTUAL POPULATION, UH, THE CITY, UM, MANY ARE AWARE THAT IT SAYS 80, ABOUT 8,800, I THINK IS WHAT IT SAYS WHEN WE'RE COMING IN. UM, THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ACTUALLY 16,000 AND, UH, CLOSER TO 16,000. AND MAYOR SAM, I THINK CENTRAL HEALTH TOLD YOU IT WAS ABOUT 15,000 AS WELL. UM, TEXAS DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, CENTER WAS REALLY PRESSING ON ME AT THE LAST TML CONFERENCE THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER WHEN IT COMES TO THE CENSUS COMING UP BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING OUT ON LOTS OF FEDERAL FUNDING, LOTS OF STATE FUNDING. AND THIS IS ONE OF THESE ISSUES WHERE WE'RE GETTING E- EPA GRANT MONEY NOW, BUT WE COULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE HAD OUR ACTUAL POPULATION BEEN CORRECT. UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS MONEY NOW. UH, IF IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT AND YES, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A 20% MATCH. I WOULD LOVE A 10% MATCH. WE ALWAYS, WE ALL LIKE 10% MATCH, RIGHT? BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS AT THIS POINT. UM, I KNOW THAT THEIR URGENCY IS DEBATABLE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THINGS AREN'T GOING TO GET CHEAPER. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE AN UPTICK IN COSTS. SO I, I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AS WELL, UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT LOCKING OURSELVES INTO AN ACTUAL AMOUNT, UM, UNTIL WE GET THE, THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER BACK. UM, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO COME FROM THE CO BONDS. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO USE SOME OF THE IMPACT FEES, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY CLEAR THAT UP AS WELL, JUST PROBABLY FROM EMAIL, IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE GIVE ME THE REASON, REASON ON THAT. I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE IMPROVING RATHER THAN, UH, EXPANDING, BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE AS WELL. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT. AND A&M? YES, MA'AM. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. THE ONE THAT I, I WOULD, IF I ALREADY OFFERED MOTION AND NO ONE'S GOING TO MAKE ONE, I, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ONE, UNLESS ANYONE HAS AN OBJECTION. SO I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FILING AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATION RESOLUTION, THE APPLICATION RESOLUTION CERTIFICATE OF SECRETARY AND THE APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT FOR ITEM THREE FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD CLEAN WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND SO THAT WE CAN JUST CONTINUE IN THE PROCESS SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION LATER. SECOND. A MOTION FROM MYSELF, A SECOND FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'LL JUST COMMENT TO, FOR THE RECORD HERE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS NOT COMMITTING THE CITY TO ANYTHING FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF AT A FUTURE DATE COUNCIL DECIDES TO PULL THE TRIGGER OF, OF TAKING A LOAN FROM THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. CORRECT. OFFICIALLY THIS ROUND IS, AS YOU REMEMBER, THEY, THE WAY THEY WORD IT IS YOU'VE BEEN INVITED TO APPLY. SO YOU'VE MADE IT THROUGH THE FIRST INITIAL ASSESSMENT, YOU'RE NOW INVITED TO APPLY. YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING. WE JUST TURNED IN THE FIRST FORM, BUT IT'S INCOMPLETE. THIS IS NEEDED TO MAKE IT COMPLETE. AND THERE'S STILL, AS ERNESTO SAID, LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH AND MEETINGS AND PLANNING AND ALL THAT STILL HAS TO COME AND COUNCIL HAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY MAKE THE DECISION IF THAT'S THE ROUTE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [01:40:01] AYE. ALL AS OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. AND SO I'M BACK TO OPEN TO MOTIONS ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UH, EVEN IF IT'S THE TABLE THEN. YEAH, THE, THAT LAST ONE THAT I READ IN WAS 9-9, WHICH IS JUST A WORK SESSION ITEM. RIGHT. I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE HESITANCY ON MY PART, UM, IS NOT SO MUCH WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT. I ACTUALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT THE, THE REVENUE SIDE, I MEAN, I KNOW, UH, VICTOR, THANK YOU, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THAT POSSIBILITY FOR THE FUTURE AND TO LEARN THAT SOME OF THIS BUILDS IN A REVENUE SIDE, I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF OUR FUTURE USE. UM, AND SO THAT ALONE, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS MAYBE, UM, STUDY, BUT THIS IS ALSO FEASIBILITY AND, AND BUSINESS PLAN BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, CORRECT? UM, SO I'M FEELING A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THAT. UM, I REALLY AM APPREHENSIVE IN TERMS OF, I REALLY LIKE SEEING THAT OVERARCHING, UH, PERSPECTIVE WHEN I'M SAYING THE GANTT CHART, RIGHT? AND, AND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM IS UNDERSTANDING THE IMPLICATIONS AND MILESTONES AND WHEN THINGS WILL HIT, UH, FROM THE FUNDING PERSPECTIVE. I KNOW THAT THIS IS FIGURING THAT OUT, RIGHT? ALL, ALL THE STUDIES THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE SILENCE EVERYTH - EVERYBODY HEARS UP HERE IS KIND OF BEING A LITTLE BIT, UM, APPREHENSIVE ABOUT THAT. UM, FOR NOW, UM, I'M A LITTLE BETTER WITH THE, UM, ITEM 8.2. UM, I'M WITH YOU PAUL ON THAT. YEAH. SO JUST TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT OFF THE BAR, IF WE PASS IT, WE DO. IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T. UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. UM, NOPE, THAT'S NOT IT. I'M SORRY. LET ME GO BACK UP. I MOVE TO APPROVE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT NUMBER NUMBER FOUR WITH DCS ENGINEERING FOR THE AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT EXPANSION, CEDAR BREAKS IRRIGATION MASTER PLAN, UH, TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, UH, UP HERE, UH, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $216,975 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT ORDER SUBJECT TO FINAL LEGAL REVIEW AND APPLICABLE GRANT REQUIREMENTS. I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? WHAT, WHAT AGENDA ITEM DID YOU JUST MAKE A MOTION FOR? WAS IT 8.1 OR 8 - I THINK YOU SAID 8.2, BUT THEN YOU REFERENCED - I DID, BUT I'M SORRY. 8.1. THE CORRECTION NEEDS TO BE 8.1. YES. FOR THE DCS. YES. NOT THE GARMENT. MR. PRINCE? AND, AND MS. OWEN, I'M, I, I WAS SURPRISED BY WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS YOU JUST WENT THROUGH AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING. IT'S KIND OF WHERE ADAM WAS AS WELL. I, I HEARD YOU KIND OF DISCUSSING AND I WAS EXPECTING YOU TO MAKE A MOTION ON 8.2, BUT THEN YOU CHANGED IT TO 8.1. I DID. UM, AND, AND SO, UM, THE, THE BACKGROUND DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS ON, ON 8.2, THESE TWO CRITICAL ITEMS OF THE BELT PRESS AND, AND, AND THE, RIGHT? THOSE ARE IN 8.2. RIGHT. AND, UM, I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THAT AND MUST MOVE FORWARD. THERE WAS, IN MY MIND, THERE WAS MORE... AND, AND, AND LET ME INTERRUPT MYSELF AND SAY, I'M IN FAVOR OF BOTH OF THESE, BUT, BUT THE 8.1 IS MORE ABOUT PLANNING AND IS THIS THE RIGHT SCOPE AND SHOULD WE REVISIT THIS IN MORE DEPTH? 8.2 IS THESE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE CRITICAL. WE GOTTA GET THEM DONE. WE, WE REALLY CAN'T PUT THOSE OFF. UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON WHAT ENDED UP WITH 8.1. 8.1. UM, AND, AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME IN A MOMENT HERE WE'LL COME BACK TO, TO 8.2. SO WE'LL NEED TO CLOSE OUT ON THIS 8.1 MOTION FIRST. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'M GONNA CALL A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DIVIDED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHICH WAY IT'S GONNA GO. SO MR. HALL. I'D LIKE TO, UH, PUT A HOLD ON THAT UNTIL FOR FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION AND EVALUATION. SO - THAT'S A NAY? I'M NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. OKAY. MR. BENEFIELD? NAY. CHAVARRIA? YAY. UM, MAYOR PRO TOWN? I'LL SAY YAY. MS. VANESS? I'M A NAY. I JUST NEED MORE [01:45:01] DISCUSSION ON THIS AND... MR. PRINCE. WELL, THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING ME THE TIEBREAKER IN MY LAST, LAST MEETING. UH, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE... I ALREADY STATED THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF BOTH OF THESE, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND BE SMARTER IN YOUR DECISION. UH, I'LL, I'LL JUST, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO NOT, NOT, UH, HAVE TOO MANY GO AROUNDS WITH STAFF ON THIS AND COME TO A FINAL DECISION PRETTY QUICKLY. UH, BUT FOR THE RECORD TONIGHT, I'LL VOTE YAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I'M GONNA BE A NAY. I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THAT'S NOT A NAY TO THE PROJECT, JUST THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. OKAY. MS. CHAVARRIA? I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT. UM, UH, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE A LOT MORE INFORMATION, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE, WE'RE CONSISTENTLY TYING OUR STAFF'S HANDS ON MOVING FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, YES. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE OVERALL FEEL. UM, I'M JUST HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN PUSH THIS FORWARD AT OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED SESSION. SO, UH, WE'RE NOT, UH, SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON THIS. AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AGAIN THIS FORMAT THAT WE DID WITH CHARLES IS THAT THE FIRST MEETING OF EVERY MONTH WILL BE A WORK SESSION SO THAT THE, THE FIRST TIME YOU ACTUALLY HEAR ONE OF THESE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO SHOW UP AND VOTE. AND WE COULD TALK THROUGH THESE. AND THEN WHEN IT CAME ONTO THE AGENDA, IT SHOULDN'T REALLY BE MUCH DISCUSSION. IT SHOULD JUST BE RIGHT TO THE VOTE BECAUSE WE'LL KNOW. SO THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE REALLY HEARD THIS ONE AND THAT'S BASICALLY A WORK SESSION WE JUST HAD. AND SO HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME WE BRING IT BACK, UM, MAYBE WE CAN BE QUICK ABOUT IT. YEAH. I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND VOTE FOR IT, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ESPECIALLY THIS NEXT WEEK, IF Y'ALL COULD, UH, THE ONES WHO VOTED NAY WHO NEED MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE RELAY THAT TO ME SO STAFF CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU AND, UH, AND RESOLVE ANY CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE. NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE. YOU GO FIRST. I WAS JUST GOING TO, UH, ASK, UH, IF IT WOULD BE OKAY. I, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRIEFLY SPOKEN WITH VICTOR. I DO WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY WE'RE USING CO BONDS AND WHAT, UM, WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE ON THESE IMPACT FEES. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE, THERE'S SOME, MAYBE, MAYBE SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF. UM, AND IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO EXPANSION VERSUS, UM, I GUESS IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE, IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP ME. UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SWAY MY VOTE TOO MUCH, BUT IT WOULD JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA BE COMING FROM. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU COULD S - IF YOU COULD SHARE IT WITH ALL OF COUNCIL, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, EVEN IF IT HAS TO GO TO YOU FIRST AND THEN GOES TO A DISCUSSION BOARD ITEM. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER THOSE. SO, UH, AS THEY COME, WE CAN ANSWER THOSE AS THEY GO OR WE CAN PUT THOSE ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS. AND I FORGOT TO SAY IT, BUT, UH, THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE ON ITEM A1 FAILED THREE TO FOUR. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I STILL HAVE TWO OPEN. MAYOR PRO TAME? UH, IF THAT'S THE CASE, DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE OR CAN IT, IS IT JUST, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD SINCE IT FAILED MOVE TO, MOVE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON 8.1. WITHOUT A MOTION TO TABLE DIRECT TO ME WHEN IT IS, I, I, I WOULD WAIT UNTIL I FELT LIKE I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE READY TO BRING IT BACK. OKAY. 'CAUSE IF I SAY THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN WE DON'T GET ALL THE INFORMATION, THEN I'M JUST GONNA BE PUTTING ON ANOTHER AGENDA WHERE IT WON'T PASS. IF WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON ANY OF THE OTHERS, I CAN READ IN ANOTHER ITEM AND WE CAN COME BACK TO 8.2. MAYOR, I, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THE CRITICALITY OF ITEM, UH, 8.2 HAS BEEN LAID OUT PRETTY WELL FOR STAFF. UH, AND SO I, UH, JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE ON THE TABLE, WE'LL SEE HOW YOU ALL, UH, HOW, HOW, IF, IF ANY OF YOU FEEL LIKE WITH 8.1 THAT YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION. BUT ON 8.2, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, WE, UH, APPROVE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH MCGARVER, UH, FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1,573,768 AND 10. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN PRINCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AND, AND SORRY, I SHOULD EXTEND THAT. AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AMENDMENT. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN PRINCE, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR VAN NESS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MS. CHAVARRIA? UH, I WOULD NORMALLY BE AGAINST THIS, UM, JUST BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION, BUT I KNOW THAT THE CRITICAL ISSUE WITH OUR, UH, OUR PRICES IS SIGNIFICANT, [01:50:01] UM, AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE VOLUTE AND I WANNA GET THAT, UH, UNDERWAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE COSTS INCREASE AND GO UP AND CONCRETE'S NOT GETTING ANY CHEAPER DELAY EITHER. SO, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA BE A YES, YES ON THOSE. MR. PRINCE? AND BY WAY OF COMMENT ON MY OWN MOTION, UH, IT'S WORTH, UH, UH, NOTING FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THIS, UM, UH, AMENDMENT IS BRINGING THE AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT DOWN. IT'S REMOVING, IT'S REDUCING SCOPE AND BRINGING THE AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT DOWN, SO IT'S A REDUCTION IN SPEND ON THE CITY'S PART. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I'M GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE AS WELL. MR. HALL? I MOVE APPROVAL. MR. BENEFIELD? YES. MS. CHAVARRIA? YES. YES. COUNCILOR VANESS? YES. COUNCILMAN PRINCE? YES. AND I'M ALSO A YES. IT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. WITH THAT, I WILL [VIII.4 Approve the minutes of the October 15, 2026, City Council Meeting.] MOVE ON TO ITEM 8-4, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 15TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION OR MOTION. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ACTION ITEM, UH, FOUR AS IT IS READ. COUNCIL CHAVARRIA'S MADE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? UH, MAYOR, I WILL SECOND WITH COMMENT THAT I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED TO THE CITY SECRETARY THAT A NAME CORRECTION ON THE PERSON WHO DID THE INVOCATION LAST YEAR TO, UH, JEREMIAH GARCIA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN PRINCE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, ALLHOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALLS OPPOSED SAY NAY. IT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL NOW [IX.10 Discussion and possible action regarding the replacement of the main effluent transmission line from Pond 17 to Pond 2.] MOVE TO ITEM 910, BECAUSE I HAVE A CITIZEN SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN AFFLUENT TRANSMISSION LINE FROM POND 17 TO POND TWO. AND I HAVE ERNESTO OR VICTOR OR ANY STAFF TO DISCUSS THAT. THIS WAS A, UH, MR. HALL BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AS IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I THINK THEY WANTED US TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE ONE THAT WE HAD LAST MEETING. SURE. I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. MR. HALL? UH, I- IDEALLY, UH - YEAH, EXCU - UH, UH, PARDON ME. 9.2. I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER. UM, I STILL DON'T. IT'S, IT'S, UH, 910. OH, UH, YEAH, MY, UH, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS OF IT AND, AND, AND, UH, AND THE MEMORANDUM THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT, UH, AND, AND RECOGNIZING THE OTHER HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE TO DO AND, AND DO, UH, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY. UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT LINE WAS PART OF A, OF AN ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WHEN, WHEN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM WAS, WAS, UH, PROPOSED. UH, WAS THAT IN THERE ORIGINALLY? AND IF SO, UH, HOW MUCH WAS THAT, UH, PROPORTION OF THAT? WAS THAT IDENTIFIED SEPARATELY? AND, UH, AND THEN ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, IF THEY WERE PROPOSING IT AT THAT TIME, THE, THE COMPANY, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE USING, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD, WOULD, WHY, WHY WOULD THEY NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO, UH, DO IT NOW, UH, IF IT WAS A CHANGE ORDER, UH, AND IF THAT WERE APPROPRIATE? SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT, LOTS OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIZE OF THE PIPE AND, AND, UH, HOW, WHAT'S THE BEST METHOD OF, OF, OF REPLACING THAT PIPE OR, OR, OR, UH, ALTERNATE SYSTEM FOR REPLACING IT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THAT, BUT, UH, THOSE WERE TWO QUESTIONS I HAD IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, WAS IT INCLUDED IN, IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AND IF SO, HOW MUCH WAS THAT? AND THEN, UM, UH, THEN ARE THEY, ARE, IS THAT COMPANY NOW SAYING THEY CAN'T DO THAT AND, AND, AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT? THE FIRST QUESTION, WAS IT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED? IT WAS NOT. IT WAS NOT? I MEAN, THE, THE PROJECTS FOR IRRIGATION, THE TRANSMISSION LINE WAS PART OF THE, UH, LARGER EFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION, INCLUDING POND 14 AND DIFFERENT SCOPE, DIFFERENT ENGINEERING. SO IT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BID PACKAGE, [01:55:01] DIFFERENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECTS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT, THAT WAS PART OF OTHER THINGS, SO THAT WASN'T A SEPARATELY IDENTIFIED COST FOR THAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. I, I'M SORRY. I- I- IS, SO THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THE COST OF THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, PROPOSALS? IT WAS NOT. SO, UH, I, I, I WATCHED THE MEETING WHERE THESE QUESTIONS CAME ABOUT, SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HEAR. SO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, UH, THEY WANTED, THE PROPOSAL WAS TO USE THE BID TAB THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH IRRIGATION. SO THAT BID TAB IS NOT FOR ANY, ANYTHING OTHER THAN IF THE LINE NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED ON THE GOLF COURSE. SO IT CANNOT BE USED TO ANYTHING ELSE. UM, THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE PROJECT IS AN IRRIGATION CONTRACTOR. THE LINE, THE TRANSMISSION LINE WILL BE NEED TO INSTALL BY A UTILITY CONTRACTOR, DIFFERENT SPECS, DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, WORK. UM, SO THAT'S THE QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THAT, UH, THE BID TAB, UH, I THINK THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT IT WOULD COST, INSTALL 4,100 FEET OF 10 INCH AT A COST OF $200,000. WELL, IF YOU USE THAT BID TAB, YES, BUT YOU CANNOT USE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE IRRIGATION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR AN ACTUAL TRANSMISSION LINE WITH THE ACTUAL UTILITY CONTRACTORS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A $1.5 MILLION. SO THE OTHER QUESTION WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS $2 MILLION LEFT ON THE BONDS, SO THERE IS MONEY LEFT, BUT WE STILL HAVE POND 14 TO REPAIR. WE HAVE POND 17 THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT A BERM OR SOME TYPE OF ENGINEERING PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT. YOU ALSO HAVE CEDAR BREAKS, WHICH IS LEAKING. SO THE OTHER QUESTION... I, AND I THINK THAT, THAT ANSWERS, I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. OKAY. SO WE CAN USE THAT MONEY FOR POND 17, POND 14, THE CEDAR BREAKS, POND, UH, YOU KNOW, RE - UH, WORK. SO - I MEAN, THAT IS THE INTENT. YES, SIR. YEAH. MM-HMM. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, UH, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED A LIFE. UM, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE, WATCHING THE MEETING. UM, HAS THAT LINE REACHED THE LIFE EXPECTANCY? YES. DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLACED? YES. BUT WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AND RIGHT NOW WHEN THAT LINE, IT GETS, UM, REPURPOSED WITH THE NEW, THE TRANSMISSION LINE, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT CAPACITY. THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THE LINE STAYING AT ZERO PSI, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THE LINE'S GONNA START PRESSURIZED. UM, WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS, AT THIS POINT WHICH WOULD BE THE PRESSURE, BUT WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 60 PSI. OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE A SPIKE WHEN THE PUMPS ARE KICKING. LET'S SEE WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. I THINK THAT WAS IT THAT I CAN REMEMBER FROM THAT MEETING. SO IF, IF, UH, THAT, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY IF, BUT WHEN THAT, THAT LINE FAILS, UH, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPAIRED, THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO USE THE GOLF COURSE IR- IRRIGATION, UH, IS, IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM OR OUR FLUENT DIS- DISPERSAL SYSTEM. SO, UM, SO THAT, SO WE'RE, IS THERE, UH, ANY PLAN FOR DETERMINING WHEN OR HOW MUCH THAT MIGHT BE OR HOW THAT WOULD BE DONE OR IS THAT PART OF FUTURE PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, TO, SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED WHEN THAT, THAT BREAK DOES OCCUR? SO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS IF IT BREAKS, ARE WE GONNA REPAIR IT? YES. UH, IT, WE'LL JUMP ON IT RIGHT AWAY. THIS, THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN DOING. UH, THE SECOND ONE IS, IF IT'S IN OUR PLANS TO REPLACE IT, YES. UH, BUT CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF, UH, PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN PLANNING, DISCUSSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE DO HAVE THE ENGINEER PLANS FROM WHENEVER IT WAS, UH, DESIGNED, SO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY IN THE BACK POCKET. WHEN IT COMES TO NEED, WE CAN PROBABLY BID THAT OUT. UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HOW LONG... I REMEMBER ANOTHER COMMENT DURING THAT MEETING THAT, UH, IF THE LINE SUFFERS CATASTROPHIC FAILURE, I MEAN, IF THE WHOLE LINE FAILS, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY, BUT IF IT, IF A SECTION FAILS, UM, HISTORICALLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HAD A SECTION THAT FELL UNDER A CUSTOMER'S BACKYARD, SO WE, WE, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST NOT RIGHT, SO WE, WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELOCATE THAT LINE 500 FEET. IT TALKS, IT TOOK CITY STAFF, UH, ABOUT A WEEK BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIORITY, AND WE SAW THE NEW HDP AND MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND THE CHANGE. SO IF IT BECOMES AN EMERGENCY, UH, THAT, THAT WILL BE OUR PRIORITY FOR PUBLIC WORKS. UM, MS.? I, I KNOW I'M GONNA HAVE A, QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW ADAM IS PROBABLY GONNA WANNA JUMP IN AS WELL ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE DID DISCUSS AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE PRESSURE TESTING THAT WAS DONE ON IT. SO I WANTED YOU TO EXPLAIN POSSIBLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, UM, NOT ZERO, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA GO, BE PRESSURIZED ALL THE WAY UP TO 60 GOING FORWARD. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO [02:00:01] SEE IF YOU COULD EXPAND, UH, UPON THAT BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS BASICALLY, ONCE THE IRRIGATION PROJECT WAS COMPLETE, UM, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A VERY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM, UH, COMING BACK OUT OF THIS ONE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION MAYBE FROM ADAM BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE COMING IN ON, BUT TELLING ME THAT IT'S NOW GOING UP TO 60. I JUST WANTED TO SEE, UM - ROUGHLY, DON'T, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THOSE NUMBERS. UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, THE SPIKE'S 120, IT STAYS 120 BECAUSE I HAVE TO IRRIGATE THE WHOLE GOLF COURSE. MM-HMM. . SO WHENEVER THE LINE GOES JUST TO BECOME A TRANSMISSION LINE FROM POND 70 TO POND TWO, THAT IRRIGATION DISTRIBUTION IS GONNA BE CUT OFF. SO IT'LL TURN RESTRICT - STRICTLY FROM ONE POND TO THE OTHER. SO THE PRESSURE CAN VARY. IT CAN BE 60, IT CAN BE LESS. UH, RIGHT NOW I COULDN'T TELL YOU UNTIL IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING 120, 20 PSI AND STAY IN 120 PSI LIKE IT IS NOW. OKAY. IT WAS SIGNIFICANT. AND CONSIDERING THE ELEVATION, IT'D PROBABLY BE LESS BECAUSE ONCE THE PUMPS KICK IN, PUSHED UP, YEAH. SO. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS, AS LIKE 60 SEEMS, SEEMS A LITTLE BIT ON THE HIGH END TO ME, TO ME, BUT I, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. UH, BUT JUST - I'M NOT AN ENGINEER EITHER. . SO, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, MAN, WE CAN GET SOME 60 PSI THROUGH, THROUGH INTO THE HOUSE. IF YOU CAN GET, IF YOU CAN, IF I CAN GET 60 INTO THE HOUSE, THAT'D BE GREAT. SO FOR YOU TO SAY THAT IT'S GONNA MAINTAIN 60 AT ALL TIMES, THAT'S, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT HIGH FOR ME. UM, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO YOU SAID WE ARE AT LIFE ON THAT, UH, ON THAT LINE, CORRECT? YES. WE, WE, IT IS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S GONNA LAST A LITTLE LONGER. IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING WELL RIGHT NOW. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THOSE, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE THOUGH KEEPS SAYING WE HAVE TWO MILLION DOLLARS. WE REALLY DON'T BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS TO REPAIR. AFTER ALL THOSE ARE REPAIRED AND, AND WE'RE AT A GOOD, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PLACE, WE LOOP OUR SYSTEM, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND, AND SEE, SPEND THE TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF COUNCIL TELLS ME, "HEY, GO LOOK AT IT. IT'S GONNA BE YOUR DIRECTION NOW. SO SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER." YEAH. I, I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN WE HAD MR. DAVE STEWART UP HERE, HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN ON THE SCOPE OF WORK AND, AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED BECAUSE THESE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECTS. ONCE A TRANSMISSION LINE ACTUALLY HAS TO BE DONE BY, BY A DIFFERENT, IT CAN'T JUST BE DONE THROUGH IRRIGATION. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LINEAR FOOTAGE FOR IRRIGATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU ESTIMATED OUT $200,000. SO WHEN YOU SAY $200,000, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THAT, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING NO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COST, YOU KNOW, ON, YOU KNOW, GOING ONTO THE COURSE, OFF THE COURSE, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE A MILLION DOLLARS IF THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN MORE FOR THAT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I KNOW THAT'S BECAUSE MAYBE SOME OF THE CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AS WELL BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, IF IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ONLY 200,000 BECAUSE IF THAT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. UM, BUT IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, IF IT WAS GOING TO PREVENT A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE, $200,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. BUT IF IT'S 1.5 OR MORE, THAT'S A LOT BIGGER ASK. SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COUNCILLOR VANESS? YEAH, SO JUST TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND I THINK YOU DID THIS. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM. AND IT'S RELATED TO THE PIPING WHAT COUNCILLOR CHAVEZ JUST BROUGHT UP. IT'S NOT AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM GOING FORWARD OPERATIONALLY. IT'S JUST MOVING WATER BETWEEN THE TWO PONDS, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO FAILURE ISN'T AS CATASTROPHIC IF IT GOES DOWN. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THINK YOU'D ADDRESSED IS THE, MR. STEWART HAD BROUGHT UP THE MOBILIZATION FEES AND COST SAVINGS, BUT YOU'VE KIND OF CLARIFIED IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CREW THAT WOULD WORK ON REPLACING THAT PIPE. YEAH. AND CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS AN IRRIGATION PROJECT, IT WAS PROCURED LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD BE HESITANT TO SAY, YEAH, IRRIGATION DO THIS ONE. SO IT HAS TO BE PROCURED PROPERLY. GOTCHA. WE HAVE A STRICT PROCUREMENT LOSS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS. SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE SAVING THAT MONEY ANYWAY, SO. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU. IS THAT AN AIR ELBOW BUMP? WITHOUT ACTUALLY CONNECTING. I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING THE USE I TAKE UP HERE. UM, I, I, I JUST, I AGREE THAT IT PROBABLY AT SOME POINT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. TAYLOR RICHARD ALWAYS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO ALL THIS, REPLACE IT. BUT, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A PRIORITY TO ME. I, I DON'T, I, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I LED THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PSI WAS GONNA BE ZERO. I KNEW WATER WAS GONNA FLOW, FLOW THROUGH THERE. I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS I NEVER BELIEVED IT WOULD STAY AT 120. YEAH. ESPECIALLY NOT AT A CONSTANT PRESSURE LIKE IT IS TODAY, UH, WHETHER IT'S 40 OR 60. UM, BUT I THINK I READ IN THE, IN YOUR, IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU DID NOT RECOMMEND REPLACING IT AT THIS TIME. CONSIDERING ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE? NO. YEAH. AND IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PRESSURE'S GONNA BE WAY BELOW THE 120. ABSOLUTELY, YES. IT'S WORKING TODAY. SO, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH ALL, I MEAN, I, I JUST COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT. SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN I, I AGREE WITH YOU. AND, AND IT'S NOT TO DISCREDIT WHAT ANYBODY ELSE HAS SAID ABOUT IT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THEM TOO. UM, BUT, UH, IT'S JUST THE PRIORITY. NO, WE, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT. SO WE NEED TO REPLACE IT'S JUST PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW. UM, YES. [02:05:01] I MEAN, ALL THE POL - THE POINTS ARE VALID. IT'S JUST TO GAIN PRIORITIES. COUNCILMAN PRICE. AND, AND, UH, THE OTHER THING WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY IS WHAT, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF A FAILURE? YOU KIND OF SAID THIS, BUT LET ME JUST KIND OF RESTATE. SO IN THE EVENT OF A FAILURE, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE, UH, EFFLUENT WATER UP TO THAT POND. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT WA- WATER ON THE GOLF COURSE UNTIL IT WAS REPAIRED. WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE EFFLUENT WATER ONTO CEDAR BREAKS. CORRECT. RIGHT? AND, AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA TELL THE CITIZENS YOU, YOU CAN'T FLUSH YOUR TOILET FOR THE NEXT WEEK OR WHATEVER. SO, UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME RISK OF, UH, CEDAR BREAKS NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE DA - DEMAND WHILE YOU AND YOUR CREW WERE REPAIRING THE FAILURE. AND WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT'S THE ORDER OF, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR SOMETHING ON THAT ORDER. THAT'S NOT MONTHS KIND OF THING, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. CONSIDERING THE WAY, UH, CEDAR BREAKS OPERATIONAL, GREAT. THANK Y'ALL. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND THE POND, POND TWO IS REALLY FAIRLY LARGE. YEAH. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'LL, THEY'LL STAY FULL, SO IT WILL HAVE TIME, UM, MAYBE A WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THIS SITUATION HAPPENS, UH, UTILITY STAFF IS ON SITE AND WE STAY THERE ON THE WEEKEND UNTIL IT'S REPAIR. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE MATERIAL ON SITE FOR THOSE REPAIRS IF IT COMES DOWN. SO, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BASICALLY WE, THAT THE CITY CAN HANDLE. IF IT HAPPENS, THE CITY CAN HANDLE IT WITHOUT BRINGING THE WHOLE CITY'S SYSTEM TO THE, TO ITS KNEES. WE'RE NOT DEAD IN THE WATER IN, IN, IN BAD WATER. NO, YES SIR. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT FEELS GOOD TO ME TO DEFER THIS TO, UH, TO A TIME WHEN WE, WE HAVE MORE, UH, STAFF TIME AND MONEY TO DO IT. JUST REAL QUICK, ERNESTO, WOULD THAT, IF IT FAILS, WOULD, WOULD THAT GENERATE ANY KIND OF TCEQ VIOLATIONS? TO CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, EFFLUENT, YES. UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE PERMIT TO DISPERSE, SO IF IT BREAKS, THEN WE, WE, YOU KNOW, STAY WITHIN OUR PERMIT. BUT IF IT'S A, A, AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, GALLONS, UH, WE COULD. BUT AS SOON AS WE FIND OUT ABOUT THESE LEAKS, WE TURN OFF THE PUMP, SO. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I HAVE MIKE DESOSA. GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M MIKE DESOSA. I SERVE ON THE GOLF COURSE, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND MY JOB TONIGHT IS JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE GOLF COURSE IF WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, TRANSMISSION LINE. UH, IN OUR OPINION, JUST FROM A STRICT GOLF COURSE ECONOMIC VIEWPOINT, IT'S A, IT'S AN UNNECESSARY RISK, UH, MAJOR IMPACT AND REPUTATIONAL HARM TO THE GOLF COURSE. WE GOT A 50 YEAR, YEAR PIPE PAST ITS USEFUL LIFE. IT COULD BE REPLACED WITH A 150 YEAR PIPE, UH, IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER, WHICH, UH, TONIGHT IS UP FOR DEBATE, BUT I PREVIOUSLY THOUGH IT WAS COST EFFECTIVE MANNER. UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF YOU HAD A FAILURE SOMETIMES LOOKING AHEAD, LET'S SAY FY28, THE GOLF COURSE IS GREEN, IT'S LOOKING GREAT. WE JUST HAD A, OUR GRAND OPENING AND WE'RE BOOKING, UH, LARGE TOURNAMENTS FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME FOR A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE MIGHT BE IN, IN THE SUMMER, RIGHT? NO RAIN EXPECTED FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. UH, THE GOLF COURSE WOULD TURN BROWN AGAIN BACK, UH, BACK TO THE WAY IT IS NOW. AND THAT JUST, UH, IMPACTS REVENUES AND, UH, IMPACTS PROFITABILITY AND A LOT OF EXTRA COSTS, ESPECIALLY, UH, THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON THE AGRONOMY TO GET THE COURSE, UH, GREEN AGAIN AFTER WE PUT IN THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, ALL THAT WOULD BE WASTED WOULD HAVE TO BE REINVESTED AGAIN. SO THOSE KIND OF, UH, UH, BENEFITS ARE OBVIOUS. UH, I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE DAVE STEWART WITH US TODAY. HE, HE MAY OR MAY NOT DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED ON YOU JUST NOW, UH, BUT WE DON'T. AND, UH, I CAN BRING HIM IN BY PHONE IF YOU CARE TO AND HOLD HIM UP TO THE MICROPHONE. UH, HE'S, UH, COMING FROM A WORK SITE, UH, OUT OF STATE. HE, HE SUPPOSEDLY LANDED AROUND FIVE, SO I WAS HOPING, HOPING HE WOULD BE HERE FROM NOW. BUT, UH, IF HE'S NOT, THEN, UH, REALLY WHAT I WAS PLANNING TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO DO IS IR- IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT. WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO? HE'S EMAILED US, SO WE'RE IN TOUCH AND I KNOW HE'LL WATCH SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH HIM IF HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS [02:10:01] THAT WERE MADE. OKAY. I TOOK NOTES AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL RELAY THEM TO HIM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. OH, THANK YOU. MAYOR, IF I MAY MAKE A COMMENT. MR. BRENDAN. UM, SO, UM, SO MIKE, WHAT I LEARNED TONIGHT IS, UH, IN THE EVENT OF FAILURE, THE POND STILL WOULD BE FULL, FULL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THE ORDER OF A WEEK OF, OF OUR NORMAL USAGE THAT THE GOLF COURSE COULD STILL BE IRRIGATED, MAYBE IRRIGATED HALF AS MUCH AND THAT LASTS TWICE AS LONG. SO IT'D BE A RACE BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, EMPTYING THE POND AND CITY STAFF REPAIRING. AND, UH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WHERE THE GOLF COURSE IS NOT GETTING WATER FOR MONTHS. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF DAYS KIND OF THING IS WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THIS IS A THING THAT CAN BE DEFERRED. I HOPE THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT I WAS HEARING WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT. UH, IT WOULD TAKE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND, UH, DO A EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT AND BID, BID IT OUT. AND AT BEST, IT WOULD MAYBE TAKE EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS. BUT THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT A FULL REPLACEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED AFTER A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. AND THE WAY THESE FAILURES IS PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN IS GONNA BE JUST A SINGLE FAILURE, UH, THAT, BUT ONCE THAT SINGLE FAILURE HAPPENS, THEY EXPECT IT TO BE A SERIES OF CASCADING FAILURES THAT WOULD RENDER IT UNUSABLE, ONLY BECAUSE OF ITS AGE. I MEAN, IT'S PASSED TO THE MANUFACTURERS. UH, UH, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I'M NOT THE ONE TO BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, UH, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE, UH, PIPE. UH, IT'S NOT SIMPLY A PATCH JOB. AND THAT, AT BEST, AND YOU KNOW HOW THINGS CAN MOVE VERY SLOWLY, BUT AT BEST EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS THAT YOU'D BE OUT AND THAT WOULD TURN THE GOLF COURSE BROWN IF IT HAPPENED DURING THE SUMMER. IF IT HAPPENED DURING JANUARY, YOU GOT TIME. BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER. I'M, I'M SORRY OUR, UH, TEAM WASN'T HERE TONIGHT, UH, BASED ON, UH, SCHEDULING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST, COUNCIL, THAT, UM, UM, DIRECTION BE GIVEN TO STAFF THAT IF NEW DATA COMES TO LIFE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A REALISTIC SCENARIO WHERE THE GOLF COURSE AND THAT POND WOULD BE EMPTY FOR MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A MINIMAL NUMBER OF DAYS OR WEEKS, THAT STAFF BRING THAT BACK TO US FOR RECONSIDERATION. COUNCIL SAVERIA? UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING, YOU'RE SAYING THE POSSIBILITY THAT Y'ALL HAVE, UH, ENTERTAINED IS WEEKS IF THIS WAS TO GO DOWN AND YOU'RE SAYING CATASTROPHIC FAILURE, I WOULD HOPE THAT COUNCIL WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR WATERING, UM, THAT WE COULD DIVERT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING BIG SCHEME OF THINGS WITH TESERA'S WATER PLANT, BUT I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO PROTECT OUR GOLF COURSE AND THE MONEY THAT WE'VE, UH, PUT INTO IT, ESPECIALLY ONCE Y'ALL START RETURNING A PROFIT. IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY CONTRACT OUT, I MEAN, EVEN IF WE HAD TO GET WATER BROUGHT IN TO HAVE SPRAYERS OUT THERE, UH, AT NIGHT AFTER THE COURSE CLOSES OR NOT, WHATNOT, UM, TO PREVENT IT FROM GOING ROUND. THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE, UM, UH, THAT WE COULD DO AN EMERGENCY, A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THAT SCENARIO. I WOULD HATE TO LOSE, UH, CONTRACTS AND, AND, AND RESERVATIONS, UM, FOR SOMETHING, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY COULD BE AVOIDED BY JUST, YOU KNOW, GETTING A COUPLE OF TRUCKS OUT THERE FOR SOME WATER IF WE WERE, IF THE PROJECT OR THE SCOPE WAS TO BE EXPANDED LONGER THAN A WEEK, UH, FROM WHAT ERNESTO IS TALKING ABOUT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE SHOULD BRING BACK, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THE GOLF COURSE, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, TO - YEAH. TALK ABOUT MAYBE - IT'S, IT'S REALLY... MAKE A CONTINGENCY - YEAH. OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR A CONTINGENCY PLAN ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN $200,000 PER OR WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH DAVE ABOUT THE LINEAR FOOTAGE AND THEN THIS HAVING TO GO OUT TO A WHOLE NEW SCOPE, AND WE'RE TALKING OVER A MILLION. 200,000 VERSUS ONE MILLION IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I KNOW YOU WERE KIND OF QUESTIONING THAT AS WELL AS TO THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE THAT MONEY OR WHERE THAT, UH, INFORMATION'S COMING FROM AND IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY NEEDED, BUT FROM OUR STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER RFQ AND COULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN WITH A CHANGE ORDER. UM, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING AT ON THAT. YEAH, THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT ON THAT TOO, UH, BUT THE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE AND I DON'T, I F - I DON'T WANNA - YEAH, SPEAK FOR THEM, I UNDERSTAND. S- SAY THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE OR, OR THEY'RE BEYOND MY EXPERTISE. BUT I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT THE FULL EFFORT IN TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CITIZENS YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, MR.? COUNCILOR ELECT VONELERKING? DON'T DO THAT TO ME YET. UH, MY OPINION ALSO [02:15:01] CHANGED ON THIS KNOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHY. I'M STILL A BIT CONFUSED ON THE JUMP FROM 200 TO 1.5 OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO MY ONLY INPUT IS IF THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO GO ABOUT REPLACING OR REPAIRING THIS, KEEPING IT UNDER 250, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I ALSO WOULD HESITATE AT 1.5, THAT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE A CRAZY JUMP, BUT IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BEING FROM A DIFFERENT PROVIDER, WITHOUT WORD SALAD, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO REPLAY THE, REPAIR THIS WHOLE PIECE FOR 250 OR UNDER, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED OF THE, IF, IF NOT CATASTROPHIC, AT LEAST CASCADING FAILURE AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A MILE OF PIPE THAT GOES, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A ONE WEEK REPLACEMENT. IT MIGHT BE ONE WEEK FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER WEEK FOLLOWED BY THREE MORE WEEKS. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, HEARING NO, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MAYOR PRO TEM. SO IN TERMS OF PACE AND PRIORITY, ERNESTO AND VICTOR, YOU KNOW, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. YEAH. UM, R- R- REALLY THE COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS IN A FUTURE PLAN ALREADY AT ALL. IT'S WAY IN THE BACK OF THE BACK OF OUR MIND. OKAY. BUT, BUT, BUT NOT IN A CURRENT PLAN AT ALL? NO. OKAY. UH, SO IN MY MIND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, DO WE DO IT ON THE FAILURE TIMELINE OR DO WE DO IT ON OUR OWN? BUT, UH, POTENTIALLY IN THE OVERALL REASSESSMENT OF OUR OVERALL BIG PLAN, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT MAYBE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS IDENTIFIED AND, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, THE BROADER UPDATES THAT WE'RE DOING TO PLANS, ET CETERA, OF OUR ENTI- ENTIRE SYSTEM AND OUR ENGINEER, THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THEN ARE LAID OUT WITHIN THE PLAN, AND THEN THAT'S EASILY COMMUNICATED THEN TO THE GOLF COURSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT MAY BE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF RISK. UH, ARE WE WILLING TO GO THAT FAR OUT OR ARE WE THINKING MORE LIKE TWO TO THREE YEARS? I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST STATING, AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THAT GANTT CHART AND INTERDEPENDENCIES AND HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO GET IT ALL UP TO SNUFF? BUT, UH, I LOOK FORWARD, I THINK WITH THE ENGINEERING, UH, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE, THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE BEGINNING TO PUT INTO, LIKE I SAID, A PLAN OR A GANTT CHART FOR NOT ONLY THE FUNDING PURPOSES, BUT THEN FOR ALL OF, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMITTEES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, CURIOUS OR BRINGING SOME OF THESE ITEMS TO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN THEN COMMUNICATE THAT TO THEM, RIGHT, UH, ON THEIR TERMS. SO THIS IS NOT REALLY ANYTHING, ERNESTO, ABOUT, UM, I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT KEEPING TRACK OF THAT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS TO BE? DO Y'ALL HAVE A WAY TO KEEP A, A, A LIST OF CLIENT CONCERNS OR RESIDENT CONCERNS OR, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE KIND OF TOP OF MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY MAY BE ON A BACK BURNER SOMEWHERE, BUT, BUT, BUT STILL THERE. WE HAVE A VERY LONG LIST OF CONCERNS. I MEAN, ALL IT TAKES IS COUNCIL TO GIVE DIRECTION TO RON AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT WHICH WAY TO GO. BUT WE DO HAVE A LIST OF CONCERNS. WE DO THAT. YEAH. MM-HMM. OKAY. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, AND THAT IS THAT, UH, WHILE THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROPRIATELY IS, IS APPROACHING THIS FROM THE IMPACT ON THE GOLF COURSE, UH, I'M THINKING MORE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON OUR, UH, AFFLUENT DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. AND AS VICTOR SAID EARLIER, WE, WE'VE GOT, IF I, IF I'M REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY, SOME, SOMETHING LIKE 750 MGD OR MGD WHATEVER, AND, AND, AND WE NEED, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDING ONE MILLION. UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, NEED TO GO TO, OR TO, TO ONE, ANYWAY, FROM 750 TO ONE. UH, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, UH, Y- Y- YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEARLY, UH, A, IF THERE WAS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE IN THAT WAY, IT WASN'T JUST A MATTER OF RE- RE- REPAIRING A BREAK, UH, BUT IT WAS A MATTER OF REPLACING THE LINE THAT WOULD TAKE, UH, SOME TIME. AND SO, AGAIN, E- E- E- ECHOING WHAT, UH, WAS JUST SAID THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A, HAVE A PLAN, UH, KIND OF A PLAN TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WILL WE DO, WHAT WILL IT COST, AND HOW WOULD IT BE DONE, UH, IF THAT HAPPENS, UH, SO THAT WE ARE PREPARED, UH, BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD HA - IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY AND IT COULD NOT WAIT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR, OUR FLUID DISTRIBUTION [02:20:01] SYSTEM IS, IS DEPENDENT UPON THAT. SO, UH, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW AND, AND WE, WE'RE UP AGAINST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING FUNDING, UH, SO I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT, THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE NOW, BUT I THINK HAVING ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE, HOW WOULD IT BE DONE, AND, AND HOW WILL THAT BE MITIGATED IN THE EVENT THAT, THAT IT'S OUT OF, OUT OF SERVICE FOR, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. ERNESTO, DO YOU WANT ME, MR. MATTERFIELD? I THINK MR. SOSA BROUGHT UP A COUPLE REALLY GOOD POINTS, AND I JUST, I'LL LEAVE MY PARTING STATEMENT AFTER MY TWO QUESTIONS. UM, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DAYS OF WATER WILL BE RETAINED IN POND TWO? MEANING IF THERE WAS A CATASTROPHIC BREAK, HOW MUCH WATER, HOW LONG COULD YOU IRRIGATE THE GOLF COURSE FOR WITH THE WATER THAT YOU HAVE IN THE POND? I WOULD DEFER TO VICTOR. YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE POINT I WAS GONNA CLARIFY. SO THE POND HOLDS UP TO EIGHT, EIGHT MILLION GALLONS, 8.2 TO BE EXACT. UM, THE GOLF COURTS, UH, THE GOLF COURSE, UM, I THINK PERMITTED AVERAGE IS AROUND 320, SO WE'LL ROUND AND SAY EIGHT AND FOUR, THAT'S 20 DAYS - YEAH. AT FULL CAPACITY. AND USING THE AVERAGE, THEY COULD MINIMIZE, UH, TO HALF OF THAT USAGE AND, UH, BASICALLY PROLONG THAT TO ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF. YEAH, SO THAT'S WATERING EVERY DAY AT EIGHT MILLION GALLONS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE ALMOST A MONTH AND A HALF. SO MY, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, UM, IN THE EVENT OF A SERIOUS BREAK, WHAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE TURNAROUND TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE SUCH REPAIR? DEPENDS ON THE LENGTH. LIKE, AS I MENTIONED, WE REPAIR TWO STICKS, WHICH IS 40 FEET AND A DAY AND A HALF. UH, BUT THAT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE A SIGNIFICANT REPAIR. YEAH. YEAH. SO I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT REPAIR, UM, WATER CAN BE DISTRIBUTED ON THE GOLF COURSE, UNLIKE TODAY. UM, TODAY, IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC BREAK ON THAT LINE, THE WHOLE GOLF COURSE IS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS THE MAIN WATER LINE FEEDING IT. THIS IS GONNA BE A TRANS - IT'S GONNA CO- CONVERT FROM TO A TRANSFER LINE TO POND TWO. SO YOU HAVE ALL THIS EIGHT MILLION GALLONS OF WATER THAT'S GONNA BE SITTING IN POND TWO THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO IRRIGATE WITH WHILE YOU'RE FIXING YOUR REPAIR. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MAJOR SITUATION BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS MY PARTING WORDS WOULD BE IF YOU EVER FEEL LIKE THAT THAT LINE IS GETTING HIGHER PRIORITY, BECAUSE I THINK MR. SOSA BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT IF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AT THE GOLF COURSE IS EVER AT RISK, LET'S BRING THAT BACK UP. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT TODAY AS, UH, AS PART OF THAT EQUATION. ABSOLUTELY. Y'ALL BE THE FIRST ONES TO KNOW. THANK YOU, SIR. ONE MORE QUESTION. YEP. MS. VANESSA? JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THAT BE A MAJOR TRANSMISSION LINE BEFORE IT CONVERTS OVER? LIKE - UH, WHEN THE GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION IS, UH, PROJECT IS COMPLETE. OKAY. SO WHICH IS NOW - YEAH. NOW TARGETED FOR - J- JANUARY. JANUARY, OKAY. SO WE GOT A FEW MORE MONTHS TO CROSS OUR FINGERS MAYBE. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOTHING ELSE, THEN I WILL [IX.1 Discussion and possible action to repeal Ordinance No. 17-07-06-01 and Chapter 8.700 curfew violation for minors.] MOVE ON TO ITEM 9-1, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION OF REPEAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 17070601 AND CHAPTER 8.700 CURFEW VIOLATION FOR MINORS. AND I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO CHIEF AND NOTE THAT WE HAVE 21 MINUTES OF BRAD BEING HERE IF YOU HAVE BURNING QUESTIONS FOR HIM. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS, UH, OUR STAFF DISCOVERED THAT WE HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPEALED BACK IN 2023 IN THE 80TH LEGISLATION. UH, HOUSE BILL 1819, UH, BASICALLY PROHIBITS CITIES AND COUNTIES IN TEXAS FROM ADOPTING OR ENFORCING JUVENILE CUR - UH, CURFEW ORDINANCES. WE STILL HAVE A CURFEW ORDINANCE, SO STAFF IS ASKING THAT WE REPEAL ORDINANCE 17.07 - 07-06-01. MR. HAVARIA? I'M JUST GONNA SAY I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS. UH, I WAS A VICTIM OF, UH, OF ORDINANCES LIKE THIS BACK IN THE DAY. I, UH, I, I WORKED LATE HOURS CLOSING DOWN GROCERY STORES AT, TILL 12:05, 12:15 AM, AND I WOULD GET PULLED OVER ALL THE TIME, UH, ON MY WAY HOME AND THEY WOULD CALL MY PARENTS, "YOU KNOW YOUR DAUGHTER IS BREAKING CURFEW?" THEY'RE LIKE, "YEP, SHE'S 16 YEARS OLD WITH A JOB." UH, SO I HAD A HARDSHIP, UH, PERMIT. BUT FOR MANY, UM, WORKING TEENS THAT ARE, UM, WORKING WEEKENDS AND FRIDAYS, THIS IS AN UNNECESSARY ORDINANCE AND I'M GLAD WE'RE FINALLY COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW ON THIS. [02:25:01] SEEM, SEEMS LIKE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TO ME, SO YEAH. I WAS JUST GONNA GET TO, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. COUNCILOR ELECT? BOY, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD JUST MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. MR. BENEFIELD? ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? YEP. UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 9.1. IT DID LISTED AS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTIONS. YEP. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. BENEFIELD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL SUPPOSED TO SAY NAY. IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. AND MAYOR, JUST, JUST FOR COUNCIL'S EDIFICATION AND THE PUBLIC'S EDIFICATION, WHEN A STATE LAW PREEMPTS EXISTING ORDINANCES THAT ARE STILL ON THE BOOKS, UH, I, THOSE ARE, I DOUBT THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN ENFORCED IN MUNICIPAL COURT SINCE THAT TIME. AND SO WHILE IT IS A GOOD IDEA AND IS GOOD HOUSEKEEPING TO TAKE THEM OFF THE BOOKS, ONCE STATE LAW IS PA - IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I MEAN, THEY BECOME DEAD LETTERS. SO JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT. I'M GOING [IX.3 Discussion and possible action regarding policies and procedures governing the use of the City of Lago Vista's official logo, seal, likeness, and other identifiable City imagery in political campaign signs, advertisements, and promotional materials.] TO MOVE TO ITEM 9-3, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES GOVERNING THE USE OF THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA'S OFFICIAL LOGO, SEAL LIKENESS, AND OTHER IDENTIFIABLE CITY IMAGERY AND POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIGNS, ADVERTISEMENTS, AND PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. UM, ACTUALLY THERE WAS A, A DISCUSSION AND SOMEONE HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, A, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT UTILIZING THE LIKENESS FOR, UH, OF THE CITY'S LOGO. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT REALLY TRIGGERED THIS FOR ME WAS THAT RECENTLY WE'VE HAD CITY EMAILS GO TO CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PERMITS STATING THAT IF THEY SIMPLY PAID THE MONEY, THAT THEY WOULD BE APPROVED FOR WHATEVER PERMIT IT WAS. AND IT WAS A, OBVIOUSLY A FISHING EXPEDITION, ET CETERA. SO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FROM ONE OF THE CITIZENS IN ADDITION TO THIS LATEST, IT, IT GOT ME TO THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD, UM, ALSO IN THE PAST, UH, I'LL JUST SAY CABLE COMPANIES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MIMICKED THEIR STUFF TO GO AND TO DO UNSCRUPULOUS THINGS, ET CETERA. SO, UH, NOT THAT THIS STOPS ANY OF THAT, BUT WHAT CAME UP WAS I ASKED, UH, BRAD IF WE HAD ANY GAPS IN TERMS OF ENFORCING OUR LIKENESS. WAS THERE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, COULD WE GO AHEAD AND ENFORCE OUR LIKENESS? AND HE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF GAPS. AND SO I THINK, BRAD, I DIDN'T SEE, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU WOULD SEND, UH, LIKE SOME POTENTIAL UPGRADES OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP US. SO, UM, SO THE CITY, THE CITY HAS AN EXISTING POLICY, BUT THE, THE POLICY IS, AS WRITTEN, IS, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S PROVENANCE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT THE POLICY AS WRITTEN IS PROBABLY LARGELY UNENFORCEABLE. STATE LAW, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST THE CITY, LIKE ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT, THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, UH, I, BASICALLY IP, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, IF, IF SOMEONE IS USING IT IMPROPERLY OR WITHOUT YOUR, YOUR, UH, PERMISSION, I MEAN, IT, IT IS COMMON FOR CITIES TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, LICENSING TYPE REGULATIONS SO THAT THOSE CAN BE, UH, ENFORCED. AND IF SOMEONE DOESN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR, UH, CIVIL REMEDIES THAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE OR, OR ENFORCEMENT REMEDIES THAT WAY. UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY... I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, MANY CITIES HAVE LICENSING SCHEMES IN EFFECT, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR THE LICENSING OF LOGOS. UH, IT HAS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PAY A LICENSING FEE AND SO FORTH. AND, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LOGO OR, OR IP THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPROPERLY USED, YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT, YOU SEND A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER, AND IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN TAKE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, CIVIL ACTION. THERE ARE OTHER CONTEXTS IN WHICH THAT CAN BE, UM, UH, UH, FOR PERSONAL USE. THERE'S POTENTIAL TETHIC - TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION, UH, THE STATE WOULD HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES. UM, SO, UH, THERE'S A CLASS C CITATIONS FOR, UM, UNDER THE, UNDER PENAL ORDINANCES, UNDER TEXAS LOCAL G- GOVERNMENT CODE. THERE'S, [02:30:01] UH, REVOCATION PROCEEDINGS THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO, UM, FEDERAL TRADEMARK ACTIONS AND SO FORTH. SO, I MEAN, IF, IF, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO DRAFT SOMETHING OR SOMETHING, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT, BUT WHAT CITIES TYPICALLY HAVE ARE JUST YOUR STANDARD TYPE OF LICENSING. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT BAD ACTORS WHO ARE ENGAGING IN THESE FISHING EXPEDITIONS AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, UM, I MEAN, YOU CAN REPORT THAT TO THE AG, YOU CAN REPORT THAT TO, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT. UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT'S NOT REALLY A CIVIL ACTION AT THAT POINT. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT A LICENSING, UH, REGIME, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT, THE CITIES DON'T, THERE, THERE'S NOT WIDESPREAD USE OF SOME KIND OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT CITIES DO ON THEIR OWN. IS THIS ANOTHER LAGO VISTA POLICY THAT WE COULD HAVE, THAT WE COULD JUST GET RID OF AND RELY ON THE STATE? UH, YOU, YOU COULD GET RID OF IT OR NOT ENFORCE IT. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I THINK Y'ALL SAW, YOU KNOW, A LEGAL OPINION THAT I, THAT I GAVE YOU ON ITS ENFORCEABILITY. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S AS WRITTEN, UM, UNENFORCEABLE AND SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. UM, UM, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO WORK AND, AND THE, THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SOUNDS, SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FISHING EXPEDITION, UM, UM, THO- THOSE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE BECAUSE THE ENTITIES THAT ARE USING THEM ARE USING, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ANONYMOUS TYPE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONLINE PRESENCES OR EMAILS OR, OR SO FORTH. MY, MY KID GOT ONE THAT LOOKED LIKE, UM, UH, A, A MU- MUNICIPAL CITATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS AND CAME TO A, YOU KNOW, CAME TO HER VIA A TEXT AND I SAID, "WELL, FIRST OF ALL, CITIES DON'T TEXT PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, MUSICAL CITATIONS. IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, YOU KNOW." UH, BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE, BUT, BUT THE DOCUMENT, IT REALLY LOOKED VERY OFFICIAL. IT WAS PRETTY BOLD, RIGHT? BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOUR OPTION IS, I MEAN, IF THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING IT, YOU CAN CALL THE AG, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO DO THAT. NOW, IF IT'S A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S ADOPTED IT, THAT'S USING IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN AGAIN, I MEAN, THERE'S A CIVIL PROCESS THAT, THAT YOU USE FOR THAT, UM, BUT THAT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND USUALLY A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER IS ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, UH, SO. COUNCILOR? I WON'T SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE BEFORE WHERE I'VE SEEN DISNEY LOGOS WHERE THEY'VE ONLY CHANGED ONE PIXEL AND THEY ACTUALLY WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW NOW BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE EXACT JPEG SVG OR LIKE IMAGE WHERE THEY ALTERED IT BY ONE PIX MEG - UH, ONE PIXEL AND IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW AFTER THAT. UM, ANOTHER THING IS, IS WHEN THIS, WHEN I SAW THIS POLICY, I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED TO SEE THAT IT CAME, WAS POSTED IN AUGUST. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OR REVIEW AT ALL. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE INTERNALLY, UM, OR IF IT WAS JUST DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH, THROUGH THAT, BUT IT POSTED, UH, POST DATE WAS AUGUST OF 2026 OF THIS YEAR FOR, FOR OUR, FOR OUR USE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DONE UNDER CHARLES OR, OR WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT IT'S POSTED TO THE WEBSITE FOR 2026. IT JUST SEEMED VERY ODD TIMING FOR - I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. I KNOW. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IT'S PROVENANCE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DRAFTED IT. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH - IT'S PRETTY MUCH NOT UNENFORCEABLE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I, I, I WOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT IS WRITTEN AS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO REPEAL. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO REPEAL OUR LICENSE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS, CAN GET THIS CORRECT. ACTUALLY, I'M - SO I GUESS, CAN I ASK BRAD, BECAUSE I'M THINKING BACK LAST YEAR, I THOUGH THERE WAS SOME ADMONITION OR DIRECTION THAT YOU CAN'T USE THE LOGO ON POLITICAL, YOUR POLITICAL ADS OR SIGNS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IS THAT GOVERNED BY STATE LAW OR IS THAT- THAT'S, YEAH. SO, SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL GOVERNED BY STATE LAW ON THE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION. AND SO IF SOMEONE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT, THAT THERE WAS A LOGO THAT LOOKED LIKE, IT WASN'T THE CITY'S LOGO. IT WAS THE ART, THE, THE, THE ALLEGATION WAS THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE CITY'S LOGO. AND, YOU KNOW - HEY, HEY, BRAD. YEAH. [02:35:01] CAN WE TALK SPECIFICS? SURE. I, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA, I MEAN, I- I, I DON'T MIND, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA GO ON THE RECORD - SURE. I, I WOULD RATHER JUST LAY THE ALLEGATION OUT THERE. YEAH. PEOPLE THOUGH I USED THE LOGO - YEAH. ON MY SIGN, IT WASN'T. YEAH. AND LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST BE HONEST. YEAH, OKAY. SO, SO THE, THE ALLEGATION WAS THAT MR. BENEFIELD HAD USED THE, THE, UH, AN IMAGE THAT WAS LIKE THE CITY'S LOGO, UM, AND IT, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT A TRADE, I'M NOT A TRADEMARK, UH, UH, LAW EXPERT, BUT, BUT IT WAS PLAINLY NOT THE CITY'S LOGO. AND THE CITY'S POLICY SAYS THAT THE CITY'S INTERNAL, I FORGET THE NAME, COMMUNICATIONS DIR- DIRECTOR OR SOME, A POSITION THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW EXISTS OR WHO WOULD BE, BE IN THAT POSITION MAKES A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, A, A USE IS, IS IMPROPER OR NOT. MM-HMM. . I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE OR, OR LEGAL FOR A LAYPERSON TO BE MAKING THAT KIND OF TRADEMARK LAW ASSESSMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO, SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE A, IT, IT WAS ASSIGNED TO A STAFF MEMBER TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT A LOGO, UH, THE, THE LIKENESS WAS ENOUGH TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, SIMILAR ENOUGH TO INFRINGE UPON BASICALLY THE CITY'S IP. I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, CANDIDLY. UM, SO THAT WAS THE - AND I'M THINKING BACK, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M THINKING BACK TO LAST YEAR, RIGHT, WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, UM, AND I RECALL THAT CLEARLY, LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT THE LOGO ON ANY OF YOUR STUFF BASICALLY, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND, AND THAT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAID. BUT THAT'S COVERED BY STATE LAW AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN ETHICS COMMISSION COMPLAINT OR SOMETHING. AND YOU CAN HAVE, THE CITY CAN HAVE, RIGHT, AND THE CITY CAN HAVE ITS OWN, YOU CAN'T, SO BECAUSE THAT, ULTIMATELY THAT GOES TO WHAT'S, WHAT'S CALLED ELECTIONEERING. AND, AND ELECTIONEERING IS VI - IS, IS PROHIBITED BY STATE LAW THAT YOU CANNOT USE CITY TIME OR RESOURCES TO ADVANCE YOUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU CAN'T COME HERE AND USE THE COPIER OR, YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, RIGHT? AND, AND THAT'S ALL PROHIBITED BY STATE LAW. AND IF, AND IF THAT HAPPENS, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINARY OR, OR OTHER, UH, UH, CIVIL REMEDIES AND, AND, AND WHATEVER THE SCOPE OF THE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION'S, YOU KNOW, UH, AUTHORITY IS. BUT THOSE ARE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION AND THEY'RE HANDLED BY THE STATE. UM, AND, AND, BUT, BUT THIS IS, THIS WAS DIFFERENT. I MEAN, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT WASN'T THE LOGO. IT JUST PLAINLY WASN'T. UM, AND, AND SO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, INFRINGES UPON TRADEMARK, I MEAN, THERE, YOU GET DOWN THIS WHOLE RABBIT HOLE OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S FAIR USE AND WHAT'S NOT FAIR U - I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THOSE ARE VERY, VERY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE SOLVED, THAT ARE SETTLED IN, IN CIVIL COURTS. MM-HMM. . NOT AT THE STAFF LEVEL. RIGHT. BUT I GUESS IF WE'RE LIKE REPEALING THIS ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE WAS PASSED BEFORE, MAYBE NOT, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE BOOKS. UM, IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S, IT, THAT WASN'T REALLY HELPING US IN TERMS OF THE POLITICAL USE OF THE SYMBOL. YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS POTENTIALLY AN ATTEMPT TO PREVENT LIKE CRIMINAL USE OF IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT CRIMINAL, LIKE PHISHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE USING A GOVERNMENT - CLEARLY DIFFERENT, IF YOU'RE USING GOVERNMENTAL LOGOS IMPROPERLY, THAT IS A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW TO OBTAIN, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL INFORMATION OR, OR, YOU KNOW, A, A THIRD PARTY IS USING IT, UH, TO, TO, LIKE, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO MY KID, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S THIS, THAT WAS JUST PURE FRAUD FISHING EXPEDITION AND USE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS'S LOGO. MM-HMM. . AND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALREADY AGAINST THE LAW. RIGHT. YOU DON'T NEED TO PROHIBIT IT. YEAH. UM, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A CRIMINAL VIOLATION AND IT'S GONNA BE IN, IN, UH, INVESTIGATED BY, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I THINK IT'S VERY, I'LL DEFER TO CHIEF ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, HIDDEN, ANONYMOUS, YOU KNOW, ONLINE SCAMS. RIGHT. UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT. SO, AND THEN WHEN YOU MENTIONED SOME C- CITIES LICENSE THE LOGO, CAN YOU GIVE EXAMPLES OF THAT? SURE. WOULD THAT BE LIKE TO LOCAL, LOCAL GROUPS, LIKE COMMUNITY CITY LOGO? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY FOR SOME REASON WANTS TO USE THIS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, YOU, IT'S TYPICALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH, I MEAN, MAYBE THEY DON'T PAY, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHEN CITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE JOINT, UM, UH, EVENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH, WITH THIRD PARTIES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA AND, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER, SOME THIRD PARTY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME EVENT THAT THE CITY SPONSORS, RIGHT? AND SO, AND SO AS PART OF THAT SPONSORSHIP, THE CITY'S SPONSORSHIP IS, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE LOGO AND THE OFFICIAL CITY'S, YOU KNOW, UH, BACKING OF THIS, OF THIS THING. AND MAYBE THAT'S IN-KIND SERVICES, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, FREE ADVERTISING, IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER, THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS TO IT AND TOURISM AND ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE TYPES OF, OF, OF, UH, AGREEMENTS AND THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY COMMON. UH, IT IS GOOD, [02:40:01] IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT WHAT THE KIND, KIND OF THE UNDERLYING ISSUE AND THE QUESTION WAS REALLY KIND OF ON THE IMPROPER USE. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ADOPT OR DRAFT TO ADDRESS THE IMPROPER USE THAT'S ALREADY HANDLED REALLY IN, IN, YOU KNOW, CIVIL COURTS AND IN STATE LAW FOR CRIMINAL ACTIONS. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU DO WANT, UH, LICENSING TYPE AGREEMENTS, I CAN GATHER SOME TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM TO YOU FOR THE FUTURE AND YOU CAN, YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU LIKE AND, AND MAKE IT LOOK , YOU KNOW, UH, UH, CONFORM IT FOR, FOR. UM, SO THERE'VE BEEN COMMENTS THROWING AROUND ORDINANCES. I, AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY? UH, DID WE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT APPARENTLY. SO WHAT, HAS THERE BEEN A REFERENCE TO A CITY ORDINANCE AROUND USE OF A LOGO? SO IT'S ACTUALLY POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UH, ABOUT, UH, COMMUNICATION AND FAIR USE POLICY OF A CITY LOGO. UM, IT'S POSTED UNDER, UH, IF YOU LOOK IT UP, IT'S UNDER THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT EVER CAME TO COUNCIL. IT COULD HAVE, UH, BUT IT'S UNDER, UH, CAME POSTED IN AUGUST OF 2026, UM, NOT SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AN ORDINANCE, IS THERE? IT'S NOT. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DO A PROCESS OR, OR PURSUE MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IF THIS COULD JUST BE DIRECTED BACK TO STAFF TO JUST REMOVE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY AN ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL HAS REVIEWED OR EVEN PASSED. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MORE, CAN BE MORE OF A M - ADMINISTRATIVE THING TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. AND, AND, EXCUSE ME, TO THE EXTENT THAT, TO THE EXTENT THAT, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT IS COMMON TO HAVE IN LIKE A PERSONNEL POLICY USE OF CITY TIME, EQUIPMENT, LOGOS, RESOURCES AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? AND SO YOU CAN'T USE THESE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND SO I, WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME WORK ON YOUR PERSONNEL POLICY AND I, AND, AND I DIDN'T DO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR HR, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER MELISSA OR ROBIN WORKED ON IT FOR Y'ALL. SO I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOLLECTION OF IT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT IS ALREADY PART OF THE PERSONNEL POLICY, THE USE OF, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT AND LOGOS AND SO FORTH. I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT SHOULD BE, BUT I, I SUSPECT THAT IT PROBABLY IS. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, UH, THAT POLICY CAME FROM OR AGAIN, HOW IT WAS DERIVED. YEAH. UH, SO YEAH. SO IF, IF YOU JUST GO ONTO THE CITY'S WEBPAGE AND YOU JUST TYPE IN CITY OF LAGO VISTA BRANDING AND LOGO USAGE POLICY, IT'LL PULL UP A PDF AND IT WAS PUBLISHED ON AUGUST 31ST OF 2026. I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK I RECOGNIZE WHY POTENTIALLY THAT CAME FORWARD, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH A TOURISM BRAND, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, EVENTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO POTENTIALLY THAT'S WHERE THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND MAYBE PUT UP THERE. UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING. I DON'T KNOW. SO I, I WOULD SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO, UH, EITHER DO NOTHING OR, OR REPEAL THIS, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ASK LON OR STAFF JUST TO MAKE SURE WHERE THIS CAME FROM, WHY IT WAS PUT FORWARD IN CASE WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UP HERE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, THEN I'M GONNA... BRAD, ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE? YEAH, I, I DO, SO I, I DO HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING. I'VE GOT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION I HAVE TO GO AND ATTEND FOR ANOTHER CLIENT. YEAH. SO LAST THING I JUST WANTED - BUT I DO, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, SO, UH, ONLINE HERE IS SARAH KERR, UH, ONE OF MY ASSOCIATES WHO'S GOING TO TAKE OVER AND, AND, UH, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE, THE BALANCE OF THE MEETING, MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, BE KIND AND, UH, BECAUSE SHE, SHE, SHE, SHE'S SITTING IN FOR ME, SO SHE MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THE INSTITUTIONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE, UH, OR MEMORY RATHER. I JUST ASK THAT THE NEXT ITEM I'M GONNA READ IN IS ABOUT THE CITY CHARTER, JUST - YEAH, I CAN, I, I, I'VE GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES IF I, IF Y'ALL NEED ME TO STICK AROUND. ITEM 98 - [IX.8 Discussion regarding the City Charter review and amendment process, including proposed Charter amendments, legal and procedural requirements, public participation, development of a review and approval schedule, and necessary actions and deadlines associated with submitting proposed Charter amendments to the voters at the May 2027 uniform election.] SARAH CAN... REGARDING THE CITY CHARTER REVIEW AND AMENDMENT PROCESS, INCLUDING PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS, LEGAL AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, DEVELOPMENT OF REVIEW, APPROVAL SCHEDULE AND NECESSARY ACTIONS AND DEADLINES ASSOCIATED WITH SUBMITTING PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO THE VOTERS OF THE MAY 2027 UNIFORM ELECTION. MY INTENT OF PUTTING IT ON HERE IS NOT TO GET INTO THE CHARTER AT ALL TONIGHT, SIMPLY THAT, UH, WE HAD EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO COME BACK TO THIS AND WE WANTED TO GET ON THE MAY ELECTION. WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED TO DO THAT. WE GOTTA BE DONE WITH IT BY, WE GOTTA GET IT SUBMITTED BY THE END OF JANUARY. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, PROBABLY HAVE SOME SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS. I THINK WHEN WE LAST FINISHED, WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE BRAD WAS [02:45:01] PRESENTING TO US POTENTIAL, UH, PROPOSITION LANGUAGE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS MY, MYSELF INCLUDED AND MAYBE SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANNA GO BACK AND MAKE A COUPLE OTHER TWEAKS TO THE CHARTER. IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THEN THAT MEANS, UM, WE'RE GONNA DEFINITELY NEED MORE MEETINGS. AND SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY DECIDE HOW THAT GOES. SO JUST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO YOU'RE, THE DEADLINE TO CALL THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR AN ELECTION IS MID-FEBRUARY. I FORGET THE EXACT DATE, BUT ON, ON OR ABOUT FEBRUARY 15TH, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE TO GIVE YOU THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT'S PLUS OR MINUS A DAY OR TWO OF FEBRUARY 15TH. UM, AND THAT'S THE DATE BY WHICH YOU HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT FOR MAY. UM, PRIOR TO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA WANT SOME VETTING OF THOSE THINGS. I, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT IF Y'ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT MAYBE THE TOP FIVE TO 10 AREAS OF THE CHARTER THAT YOU'D WANT TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO AN ENTIRE REWRITE, THAT'S ALL, PROBABLY A LOT OF PROPOSITIONS AND THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF YOU KIND OF KEEP IT TO MAYBE THE TOP, TOP, TOP FIVE, 10, 12 ITEMS THAT ARE TARGETED AT, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, THE ISSUES THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS TO CHANGE ON YOUR, ON YOUR CHARTER BECAUSE, UM, WHILE IT IS, WHILE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IN ONE FELL SWOOP, PURELY SCRIVENER ERROR COMMAS AND SPELLINGS AND Y- YOU CAN DO ALL OF THAT AS ONE PROPOSITION. AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY ONE. CITIES DO THAT ALL THE TIME. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WANNA GET SUBSTANTIVE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE TOPIC PER PROPOSITION. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANNA DO. UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THE NUMBER OF PROPOSITIONS IS REALLY THE, THE CONCERN, THAT MAYBE YOU TARGET SOME AREAS OF THE CHARTER THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY WANNA, WANNA, WANNA THINK ABOUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. COULD YOU SEND US WHERE WE LEFT OFF, WHATEVER THE LAST DOCUMENT IS THAT YOU HAD PUT TOGETHER? I WILL. I'LL HAVE TO GO DIG IT UP, BUT YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. SURE. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS ALSO, UH, MR. OWEN, WE WERE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER WITH WHATEVER YOU HAD DONE AND, AND WHERE WE WERE AT. AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER SAW THAT MERGE DOCUMENT. SORRY. SO YEAH, ACCORDING TO MY NOTES, IT WAS THE AUGUST 6TH MEETING WHEN WE KIND OF TABLED EVERYTHING. AND AT THAT MEETING, UH, CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED THAT HE HAD MADE SOME COMMENTS, REARRANGED SECTION 12. A LOT OF ITEMS IN 12 NEEDED TO BE MOVED TO OTHER PLACES. AND I NEVER SAW THAT FINAL PRODUCT. I UNDERSTAND FROM OVER MY SHOULDER THAT THE WORD DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD SOME LEGAL ADVICE AND STUFF IN IT. SO, UM, I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT. UH, SO YOU'VE GOT MY DOCUMENT THROUGH THE AUGUST 6TH MEETING THAT HAS ALL THE CRC'S RESEARCH COMMENTS, EMBEDDED COMMENTARY FROM YOU GUYS, UH, AND OUR THOUGHTS AND VOTES AND SO FORTH. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY VERSION THAT I GUESS IS THE LIVE VERSION NOW. SO AT SOME POINT, DO WE WANT TO MELD THOSE TWO TOGETHER SO YOU HAVE THE FULL HISTORY? THEN I NEED A CLEAN COPY THAT DOESN'T HAVE LEGAL ADVICE OR WE JUST START WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND USE THE OLDER ONE JUST AS A REFERENCE. YEAH. UH, ROBERT, WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE, I, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING ON THE COMMITTEE WITH YOU AND THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERN THAT THERE WAS SUCH, FEELS LIKE THAT THEY WERE MILES APART ON, ON WHERE COUNCIL WAS BASICALLY CHANGING THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAD FELT WERE PRETTY, UH, IMPORTANT. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD DOESN'T NEGATE ANY OF THE HARD WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID, UM, OR, OR FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TAKING IT AND PIECEMEALING WHAT Y'ALL, WHAT Y'ALL DONE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF, UH, I KNOW IT'S THE LE- LEGAL ASPECTS AND HOW THE TERMINOLOGY HAS TO GO, BUT JUST GETTING AWAY FROM THE HEART OF, UM, WHAT THE CHA - SUBSTITU - SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT Y'ALL WERE TRYING TO DO. UM, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO DEFINITELY NEED, PROBABLY NEED SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, MAYBE EVEN A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS ON THIS, BUT I, I, I DON'T, UH, WE NEED TO GET IT, GET IT DONE AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW BLUNTLY HOW THE COMMITTEE FEELS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, WORKED THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT OUR APPOINTMENTS END DECEMBER 31ST. SO IF THIS IS GONNA GO INTO JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AND YOU WANT CONTINUED COMMITTEE INPUT, THEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO EXTEND THE COMMITTEE'S APPOINTMENTS, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T BEEN MEETING OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE HANDED OFF. UH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS. UM, AGAIN, HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE STARTED INTO THE REWRITE PRODUCT, WE, PROCESS, WE THOUGH IT WAS ALL, [02:50:01] "LET'S JUST FIX EVERYTHING ONE AND DONE AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO." SUBSEQUENTLY FIND OUT NO, IT'S ONE PROPOSITION PER. SO BRAD JUST MENTIONED FIVE TO 10. I WOULD JUST CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE ONE ELECTION. THERE WERE 15 PROPOSITIONS AND THE VOTING, UM, WAS CONSISTENT ACROSS 15. I CAN DIG THAT CHART UP FOR YOU IF YOU WANNA SEE IT. UH, BUT THERE WASN'T A DROP OFF. IN FACT, SOME OF THE LATER ONES HAD HIGHER NUMBERS. UM, SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL ELECTIONS IN THE PAST AND HOW MANY PROPOSITIONS. I THINK YOU COULD PUSH IT TO 15, IF THAT HELPS. UH, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT DIRECTLY, YES. WHEN WE WROTE THE THING ALL ONE AND DONE, THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO. ONE WOULD BE EXTEND THE TERMS TO THREE YEARS. LESS ELECTIONS, GET TWO, TWO, TWO, ALTHOUGH COUNCILOR PRINCE DIDN'T LIKE MY 2-2-2 TRANSITION PLAN. UH, BUT WE FELT LIKE IF YOU HAD 2-2-2, THEN IT'S ONLY FOUR CANDIDATES, YOU WON'T HAVE UNCONTESTED ELECTIONS AND HOPEFULLY, UH, UH, EVERY SEAT WOULD BE CONTESTED. BUT, SO THAT WAS ONE THING, GO TO THREE-YEAR TERMS, NOT BE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR WORKING AND LEARNING THE JOB AND THEN IMMEDIATELY IN THE CAMPAIGN MODE. AND, UH, BUT THAT WASN'T REAL POPULAR. UM, MARCUS NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE DID HIS INFORMAL SURVEY, UH, FACEBOOK, TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE REAL POPULAR WITH, WITH THE CITIZENS. THEY LIKED THE TWO-YEAR TERMS AND HAVING MORE FREQUENT ACCOUNTABILITY. SO WE PACKAGED THE WHOLE THING UP AND SAID, OKAY, THREE-YEAR TERMS, WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT YOU ALSO WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, SO LET'S HAVE A BOARD OF ETHICS. THAT WAS HIGHLY POPULAR. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS SCRATCHED. WE ALSO SAID LET'S LOWER THE RECALL THRESHOLD FROM 10% TO 5%. SOMETHING SCRATCHED, BUT, UH, COUNCILOR OWEN GOT THE 5% IN AND THE LAST VERSION AGAIN. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER THING. OH, MAJORITY VOTE VERSUS PLURALITY. SO IF YOU DO HAVE A RACE THAT HAS THREE OR MORE CANDIDATES, THEN YOU HAVE A RUNOFF SO WHOEVER ACTUALLY GETS SEATED HAS A MAJORITY VOTE. UH, THAT WAS ONE. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER FOURTH ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE. SO THE THING THAT I THINK YOU MIGHT BE HEARING CHATTER ABOUT IS SPECIFICALLY REMOVING THE BOARD OF ETHICS. THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT DROPPING THE RECALL THRESHOLD THAT'S BEEN PUT BACK INTO PLACE. MAJORITY VOTE WAS STILL IN THE LAST VERSION, AS I RECALL. WHAT WAS THE FOURTH ONE? CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION THERE? YEAH. UM, I REMEMBER THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY. UM, IT WAS MY COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KEPT THE RECALL THRESHOLD AT 10% BECAUSE - IT WAS DROPPED. IT, THE CURRENT THRESHOLD IS 10%. CORRECT. WE DROPPED IT. THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION WAS DROP IT TO FIVE. CORRECT. FIRST PASS AT COUNCIL SAID LET'S LEAVE IT AT 10. AND THEN AT THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE IN JULY 19TH, WHENEVER IT WAS, UH, I WAS SITTING THERE AND MADE THE WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT EXTENDED TERMS AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT SEEMED LIKE A CONSENSUS WAS TO MOVE IT BACK DOWN TO FIVE. SO THE LAST DRAFT IS STILL AT FIVE, WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION. WELL, SO LET ME, BEFORE I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, I APOLOGIZE. BUT I DO HAVE TO HIT THE ROAD. BUT BEFORE I GO, I NEED, I WANT, I JUST RESENT TO YOU AN EMAIL THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY SENT TO Y'ALL ON JULY 30TH FOR THE AUGUST 6TH, UM, AGENDA, UH, OR, UH, COUNCIL MEETING RATHER, THAT HAS, UM, THE, A, A LENGTHY EXPLANATION AND ORDINANCE AND PROPOSITIONS AND SO FORTH IS, IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE KIND OF THE FINAL VERSION. SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I COULDN'T, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO IT AND TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I JUST SENT THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY AGAIN. AND CHIEF, I JUST SENT IT TO YOU. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT AT THE TIME. UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT IS THE LAST VERSION AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS SOME COMMENTARY AND SO FORTH THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN. BUT AGAIN, UM, UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THINGS STAND FROM MY END, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT, AND IT'S GOT THE, THE PROPOSITIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WORKED OUT TO BE. AND, AND, AND IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO, I DO RECOMMEND WE AVAIL OURSELVES OF THE, OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE REVIEW PROCESS FOR BALLOT LANGUAGE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THEY SIGN OFF ON YOUR BALLOT PROPOSITION LANGUAGE AND IT'S SUBSEQUENTLY CHALLENGED, THEN IT GIVES YOU A SAFE HARBOR AND YOU'RE NOT SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY'S FEES AND SO FORTH. SO I DO RECOMMEND WE DO THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T WAIT UNTIL KIND OF THE VERY LAST MINUTE TO CALL YOUR ELECTION BECAUSE THE SECRETARY AND ALL THAT STUFF OR GET IT TO THEM BECAUSE SECRETARY OF STATE MAY, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND IN TIME. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO LET SARAH TAKE OVER, BUT, UM, APPRECIATE IT. BRAD, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I HAVE ONE BIG ASK. OKAY. WOULD IT BE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO JUST THROW IT OUT TO SECRETARY [02:55:01] OF STATE AS A HAIL MARY TO SEE IF SHE WOULD, THEY WOULD APPROVE IT AS A ONE PASS VOTE? BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF OTHER CITIES AND I KNOW YOU AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT I MEAN WE - THE CITIES THAT HAVE APPROVED IT AS A SINGLE BALLOT MEASURE, THOSE WERE, ARE THE INITIAL ADOPTION. YEAH. SO, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN ADD. I MEAN, ALL I CAN DO IS TELL YOU NO, BUT I, I, AGAIN, I'VE, I'VE CONSULTED WITH MY, MY PARTNERS IN THE FIRM AND, AND I LOOKED AT THOSE. I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN IT IS A SINGLE PASS, IT IS AN ORIGINAL ADOPTION WHEN YOU GO FROM GENERAL LAW TO HOME RULE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT AS A SINGLE BALLOT MEASURE. BUT AFTER THAT, ONCE YOU'VE GOT A CHARTER ADOPTED, UM, UM, I CAN FIND NO AUTHORITY. I COULDN'T FIND A, AN INSTANCE WHERE A CITY WHOLESALE ADOPTED A NEW CHARTER OR AN AMENDED CHARTER WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, ON A SINGLE BALLOT MEASURE. BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THE SECRETARY OF STATE APPROVED IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. BUT I, I, FROM A, FROM A ATTORNEY FEE STANDPOINT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T BE CHALLENGED. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T LOSE. IT JUST MEANS YOU MAY NOT PAY ATTORNEY'S FEES. SO BEAR THAT IN MIND. SO IT IS A LIMITED PROTECTION. THANK YOU. DRIVE SAFE. THANK YOU ALL FOLKS. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. SO BACK TO REAL QUICK, UH - OH, TERM LIMITS WAS THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. THAT WAS THE FOURTH BALANCE TO EXTENDING THE TERMS WAS TERM LIMITS. AGAIN, MY GOAL WAS NOT TO GET INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CHARTER TONIGHT AND DIFFERENT TOPICS. IT WAS MORE ABOUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE, WHEN PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE, HOW WE CAN GET GOING. UM, AND THE LAST THING I GUESS I WILL SAY IS WHEN IT COMES TO, I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS BEFORE, THE NUMBER OF, UM, ITEMS ON THE BALLOT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I THINK THAT TALK ABOUT LIMITING IT TO FIVE, 10, 15, UM, REALLY SHOULDN'T MATTER. WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO GET TO A CHARTER THAT IS A GOOD CHARTER AND HOWEVER MANY IT TAKES TO GET THERE. I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD SHORT CHANGE IT AND THEN LEAVE BAD THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT. SO MR. BENEFIELD? I, I'LL AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. IF, IF THIS WAS A NOVEMBER ELECTION AND IT WAS GOING FROM A FOUR PAGE BALLOT TO EIGHT PAGES, THERE MIGHT BE SOME EXHAUSTION THERE. BUT ASSUMING THAT WHEN THIS GETS DONE IN MAY, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE THE CHARTER. PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP FOR THAT SPECIFIC VOTE. SO TO HAVE THE 15 OR WHATEVER DIFFERENT PETITIONS ON THERE I THINK WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. AND I, AND I AGREE. LET'S GET IT, LET'S GET IT RIGHT. OKAY. UH, MS. PRINCE, JUST A QUICK LOOK AT THE, THE MAIL THAT BRAD JUST FORWARDED TO US, WHICH HE HAD SENT BEFORE. UH, THE PROPOSITIONS LISTED IN HIS EMAIL ARE A THROUGH T, WHICH IS 20. UM, SO, SO THE, THE CURRENT NUMBER WHERE IT WAS LEFT AT WAS, WAS 20. UM, AND, AND SO FOR Y'ALL GOING FORWARD, I, I THINK THE, THE SENTIMENT HAD BEEN LET'S, LET'S REPRESENT THE COMMITTEE WELL, RIGHT? AND SO THE PLACES WHERE, UM, WHERE YOU ALL, UM, RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT SET OF BALLOT THINGS THAN WHAT THE COMMITTEE REPRESENTED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NEED TO HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD REASONS FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH YOUR TERMS OR NO ETHICS COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER IT IS. UM, AND NUMBER ONE, TO ACCURATELY REPRESENT THEM TO THE CITIZENS TO DO THE VOTE. AND NUMBER TWO, JUST TO RESPECT ALL THE TIME THAT THEY, THEY PUT IN ON IT. UM, AND GIVEN THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW DEEP YOU GO ON THESE A THROUGH T AND RESOLVING WHERE THIS LIST DIFFERS AT ALL FROM THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU MAY HAVE A PRETTY TIGHT TIMELINE TO MAKE THE MAY, THE MAY VOTE. SO THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR FIRST DECISION IS, DO WE SPEND THE TIME ON IT TO GET IT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN IN MAY OR IT, IT REALISTICALLY IN ORDER TO DO THIS WELL, UH, DO WE PUT IT OUT TO NOVEMBER? BUT, UM, IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD THAN TO MAKE A DECISION. SO I'D RECOMMEND THAT MOVE QUICKLY AND TRY TO GET IT ON THE MAY BALLOT WOULD BE MY, MY, UM, ADVICE TO YOU. I AGREE. SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, I WOULD HOPE WE COULD GET A, A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OR WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER. SO IF PEOPLE COULD GET WITH CHIEF AND GIVE US SOME AVAILABLE DATES WHERE WE COULD DO THAT. LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE... I THINK WE'VE DONE SO MUCH WORK ON IT, IT SHOULDN'T REALLY BE AS LABOROUS AS THE OTHER ONES. SO IF YOU JUST GOT TWO OR THREE HOURS, WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS AND THEN I CAN USE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS TO MAYBE BLOCK ANOTHER HOUR AT A TIME AND, AND WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. AND MR. PRINCE, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE DISCUSSION BOARD, I'D SAY PLEASE GO ON THERE AND GIVE YOUR INPUT. EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT THEN? SO YOU'LL GET WITH CHIEF, GIVE ME SOME OPEN DATES AND, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN USE THE DISCUSSION BOARD TO HELP MOVE SOME OF THIS ALONG TOO. MR. BENEFIELD. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THESE AGENDAS IT SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE CHARTER. THAT'S SO O- OPEN-ENDED AND I OFTEN DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF THE CHARTER AM I SUPPOSED TO BE PREPARED FOR. UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT PRINCE IS SAYING IS ACCURATE, WHICH I ASSUME IT IS, IF THERE'S A THROUGH T, YOU KNOW, THEN ON THIS AGENDA, LET'S FINALIZE A THROUGH F. RIGHT? AND, [03:00:01] UM, ULTIMATELY, BRAD AND HIS FIRM ARE GONNA WRITE THE EXACT LANGUAGE. SO IF WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND WE'VE UTILI- UTILIZED THE DISCUSSION BOARD, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST COME IN HERE AND SAY, "A, FIVE MINUTE DISCUSSION, LET'S VOTE ON IT. B," AND THEN, AND THEN WE JUST PLOW THROUGH A THROUGH T VERY QUICKLY. AND THEN WE CAN LET MR. BULLOCK WRITE ALL OF THOSE BASED ON THE APPROVAL. AND THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A MEETING JUST MODIFYING ANY CHANGES TO THAT AS NECESSARY. FINE WITH THAT. UH, ROBIN, CHIEF AND I WILL WORK ON AGENDA LANGUAGE WHEN WE DO THAT. YEAH, AND IT JUST SEEMS THERE'S A DISCREET NUMBER THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE HOT BUTTON ISSUES, THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WAS PRETTY CUT AND DRY, I THINK. SO WE CAN HONE IN ON THOSE. OKAY. MS. PRINCE? UH, UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS THIS EMAIL THAT WE JUST RECEIVED FROM BRAD, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, WE WORK WITH BRAD TO GET IT TO A STATE WHERE IT CAN BE SHARED WITH MR. OWEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT HE CAN HELP US UM, COALESCE IT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY ARE THE, THE ONES THAT MAYBE ARE IN MOST CONFLICT WITH WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED AND WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE RUBBER STAMPED. THE COMMITTEE AGREED AND THEN WE CAN KNOCK THEM OFF REAL QUICKLY. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TAKE OVER THE MEETING AND GET INTO DETAILS, BUT I WAS TRYING TO RESPOND TO COUNCILOR CHAVARRIA'S SPECIFIC QUESTION AND REALLY IT WAS THE CHAT AROUND THE BOARD OF ETHICS. BUT I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK IF THERE WAS UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO SHARE WITH ME THE DOCUMENT. I PROMISE NOT TO TAKE IT ANY FURTHER. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT ASK IS IF WE COULD GET, UH, THE OKAY WITH BRAD'S FIRM. IF WE, WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND RELEASE, UH, AGAINST ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE ON THIS, THIS ITEM. THIS SPECIFIC DOCUMENT. THIS SPECIFIC DOCUMENT IN CON - IN CONCERN FOR THIS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT NOW, SO I WANT HER CLARIFICATION ON IT. CAN, CAN I EXTEND YOUR QUESTION SO IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? SO SARAH, I THINK WE HAVE A DOCUMENT AROUND THE CHARTER WITH COMMENTS FROM BRAD THAT ARE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH MEMBERS OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WITHOUT IT JUST BEING SOMETHING THAT BECOMES COMPLETELY PUBLIC DATA OR DOES IT BECOME PUBLIC DATA? UH, AND IF SO, DO WE NEED TO DO SOME SORT OF A REVISION TO THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE IT GETS RELEASED? THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERED STAFF FOR THE CITY OR OFFICERS? APPOINTED VOLUNTEERS. APPOINTED VOLUN - THEY'RE CITIZENS. UM, IT, I WANNA SAY IT PROBABLY IS STILL CONSIDERED, UM, PRIVILEGED IF YOU SHOW IT TO THEM IN, JUST IN THE COMMISSION OF THEM WORKING ON THE CHARTER. UM, I'LL CLARIFY THAT WITH BRAD THOUGH. BUT ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVILEGE BEING MAINTAINED OR ARE YOU JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF PRIVILEGED DOCUMENTS BEING RELEASED? BOTH. OKAY, BOTH. 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY IF, IF YOU'RE JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS PRIVILEGED AND THEN IT WOULD BE RELEASED, IF, I MEAN, IF IT'S NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL OR IT WOULDN'T CAUSE ISSUES, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH RELEASING IT. BUT IF YOU THINK, BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS, UM, I'LL ASK BRAD JUST TO BE SURE. IF, IF ANYONE COUNCIL HAS SUPER CONCERN ABOUT, I MEAN, JUST NARROW IT TO, WE'RE ONLY ACTUALLY GIVING IT TO ROBERT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN CREATING THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF THE WHOLE TIME. AND SO HE NEEDS TO MERGE THIS NEW DOCUMENT THAT BRAD HAS, WHICH HE WROTE SOME COMMENTS IN WITH THE DOCUMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN USING. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS HOW CAN ROBERT ACTUALLY MERGE THOSE DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN FINALLY HAVE ONE DOCUMENT AGAIN? AND WE, FOR COUNCIL, MAYBE YOU'RE JUST RELEASING THAT PRIVILEGE JUST FOR HIM. YEAH, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THE THING IS YOU DON'T, IF, IF IT'S DISSEMINATED AND DISPERSED AND PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A FINISHED PRODUCT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID. ALL WE DO IS TAKE HIS EDITS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO MY COPY AND THEN IGNORE ANY COMMENTS HE HAD IN THERE. BUT LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION THEN WHAT BECOMES THE MASTER DOCUMENT? IS IT THE DOCUMENT THAT CAME FROM BRAD OR LEGAL COUNSEL OR DOES IT BECOME THIS NEW MERGE DOCUMENT? 'CAUSE WE NEED GOOD VERSION CONTROL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL READING OFF THE SAME THING WE'RE PREPARING. AND THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS AT BECAUSE WE HAD THE ONE THAT WE HAD, I WAS MAINTAINING UP THROUGH JULY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEW ONE. SO IT'S LIKE YOU COULD USE MY COPY JUST AS REFERENCE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE RED LINES AND ALL THE CHANGES WERE. AND THAT JUST BECOMES ABANDONED OTHER THAN REFERENCE AND USE BRAD'S GOING FORWARD, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE. OR LIKE I SAID, I COULD INCORPORATE HIS CHANGES INTO WHAT'S BEEN OUR WORKING DRAFT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW [03:05:01] AND YOU HAVE ALL THE HISTORY AND PRIOR COMMENTS, UM, IN THERE. SO IT'S REALLY WHAT DO YOU PREFER? WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THIS WHERE LIKE ONE, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMMENT FROM BRAD, BUT ON ANOTHER THERE'S MULTIPLE. THE ONE HE JUST SENT HAS JUST ONE COPY. THE ONE HE JUST SENT DOESN'T HAVE THE VERSION OF THE RED LINE REWRITE ON IT. UH, THIS IS JULY 30TH AT 11:37 AM, BY THE WAY, IF Y'ALL WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. UM - SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE HIS RED LINE? YEAH. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AGAIN WHERE BRAD ALWAYS TELLS US THIS, LIKE HE'LL GIVE US ADVICE, BUT COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO. YEAH. MY ADVICE IS TO, LET'S JUST AGREE TO GIVE HIM THE DOCUMENT SO HE CAN MERGE IT TO US AND - WELL, WE HAVE THAT, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING WHAT'S GONNA BE THE MASTER. YOU, YOU SAY GO AHEAD AND MERGE IT AND THAT BECOMES OUR MASTER WORK PRODUCT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE WHOLE TIME. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MESSES UP BRAD BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO FORMULATE STUFF INTO POTENTIAL PROPOSITION. YEAH. NO, THE ONE THAT I'VE BEEN MAINTAINING, EVEN FOR BEFORE WE HAND IT OFF TO YOU GUYS, IT IS MESSY, IT IS UGLY BECAUSE IT'S GOT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS CHANGE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT CHANGE. SO WHAT I TYPICALLY DO FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS YOU HAVE THE UGLY MASTER EDIT THAT HAS ALL THE RED LINES IN IT. AND THEN I ALSO PROVIDE A CLEAN COPY. SO YOU CAN READ THE CLEAN COPY AND THEN YOU CAN REFER TO THE RED LINE AND GO, OKAY, WAS THIS EXISTING BEFORE OR HAS THIS BEEN CHANGED? WELL, THERE'S YOUR HISTORY. YEAH. AND HERE'S THE COMMENTS OF COUNSELOR FEEDBACK FOR TWO YEARS AND CRC RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN IT. MR. PRINCE? I, I JUST, SO THIS IS JUST A, YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR AFTER THE, THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE HORSE IS OUT, RIGHT? SO IF WE PROVIDE IT TO ONE PERSON WHO IS NOT A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BUT IS ON A CITY COMMISSION, DOES THAT THEN MEAN THAT A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST, AND I'LL JUST PICK UP, PICK ON MR. DONNELLY SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, IF HE FILES A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST, WILL HE IMMEDIATELY BE ABLE TO GET IT AS WELL? AND DO WE CARE? I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHT IS IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE THAT WE WOULD CARE IF THE ENTIRE WORLD KNEW ABOUT. UM, BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T CLOSE THAT BARN DOOR AFTER THE HORSE IS OUT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I RAISE IT. UM, AND, AND IF BRAD WAS SITTING HERE, I SUSPECT WE CAN CLOSE ON IT. UH, I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT BRAD WOULD SAY, OH, I, I, IF THIS IS GONNA BECOME A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DOCUMENT, I WANT TO, I WOULD ADVISE COUNCIL THAT WE REMOVE THIS ONE NOTE THAT I HAD DOWN HERE. NOW WE CAN STILL TELL HIM, YEAH, LEAVE IT IN AND RELEASE IT AS IS, BUT IT'S, IT'S - WELL, LIKE I SAID - HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T CLOSE THAT BARN DOOR AFTER IT OUT. I WOULD JUST MOVE IS THAT IT'S IN THE MIND AND I WOULDN'T BRING HIS COMMENTS OVER. SO - YEAH, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST, IF SOMETHING GETS FORWARDED TO YOU, IT CHANGES THE PUBLIC, UH, INFORMATION ACT, UH, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M RAISING IT. TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN. WE COULD JUST, UH, SPECULATIVELY SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON IT AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IT. UM, OR WE COULD, UH, TO WAIT UNTIL, UH, SARAH CAN CLOSE WITH BRAD, UH, ON IT. EITHER WAY, I'M JUST RAISING IT TO, TO COMPLETENESS. I'D LIKE TO WEIGH ON ALL THIS, IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING IN THOSE WERE, WAS A LEGAL OPINION. THEY WERE RECOMMENDATIONS THE ENTIRE TIME AS TO WHAT POSITIONS WE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE AND, AND MAYBE E- EVEN REFERENCES TO OTHER STATE LAW OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUPERSEDES IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T FIND OUT ON THEIR OWN IF THEY DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, HONESTLY. SO I, I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT RELEASING IT TO YOU OR AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION. I THINK IT SHOULD BE OPEN AND, AND, UH, AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT, UM, EVEN WITH OUR, THE ATTORNEY'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA WANNA, YOU KNOW, KINDA WEIGH IN ON IT. BUT FOR, I KNOW IT'S WORK IN PROGRESS AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM, UH, MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND ONCE THE, ONCE THE DOOR'S, UH, ONCE THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE GATE, IT'S OPEN. UM, SO IF WE DO THIS, UH, ROBIN, BEWARE, WE'LL PROBABLY, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE GETTING A MILLION REQUESTS. JUST SEND IT TO MY CITY EMAIL, THAT WAY IF I GET PRR, IT'S IN THE CITY EMAIL AND NOT MY PERSON. RIGHT. WELL, IT BRINGS UP THE, THE OTHER THOUGHT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IS JUST HAVING, UM, TOWN HALLS OR SOMETHING TO THEN PRESENT THE RECOMMENDED CHARTER PROPOSITIONS TO PEOPLE SO THEY UNDERSTAND IT AND CAN PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK ON IT TOO. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT SCHEDULE AS WELL PRIOR TO ANY KIND OF MAY VOTE. SO PEOPLE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ATTEND AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON IT SO THEY CAN VOTE INTELLIGENTLY ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS, SO. THERE'S 11 COMMENTS. THEY'RE EXACTLY AS YOU WERE STATING. UM, MORE OR LESS, UH, [03:10:01] YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THIS, BEAR IN MIND AS DISCUSSED. UH, AND YES, MOST OF IT IS, BY THE WAY, AS I'M LOOKING AT HERE, EXACTLY WHAT, UM, UH, COUNCILLOR CHAVARRIA WAS STATING. SO IF, IF I COULD WEIGH IN, IF YOU'RE GONNA FORWARD IT JUST TO ONE PERSON WHO THEN INCORPORATES IT INTO THEIR OWN DOCUMENT, UM, I HAVEN'T READ THE COMMENTS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY COULD BE, THEY COULD BE CONSIDERED LEGAL ADVICE. SO UNDER EVIDENCE RULES AND UNDER, UM, THE ETHICS CODE, IF A CLIENT OR A CLIENT REPRESENTATIVE PROVIDES A COMMUNICATION THAT INVOLVES GIVING LEGAL ADVICE, SO EVEN IF, IN OTHER WORDS, A REPRESENTATIVE GIVES THE LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE ATTORNEY TO ANOTHER CLIENT REPRESENTATIVE, IT IS STILL CONSIDERED A PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. I, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SOMEHOW COPY WHAT HE DID OVER TO A DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMMENTS AND WE'LL, I'LL SEE IF I CAN DO THAT FIRST. UM, IT'S A LITTLE LENGTHY, BUT, UH, I THINK POTENTIALLY I CAN DO THAT. JUST STRIP OUT THE COMMENTS? YES. BUT YOU SAY IT'S REDLINED OR NOT REDLINED? UH, THIS IS REDLINED. GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GET DATES TO CHIEF AND ROBIN, UH, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON THIS AND WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET. NOT ANY DATES IN NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER. I KNOW. WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO ANOTHER RELATED CONVERSATION HERE. UH, SO LET ME READ THIS ONE IN. ITEM [IX.4 Discussion and possible action regarding the City Council meeting dates for the Holidays.] NINE FOR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATES FOR THE HOLIDAYS. I THINK HISTORICALLY, SOMETIMES THEY CANCELED THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER. UH, I WAS GONNA SEE IF COUNCIL STILL WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT ALSO WHAT WE COULD DO IS SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. WE CAN HAVE A CHARTER MEETING INSTEAD. I AGREE WITH THAT. OR A DIFFERENT DATE. THAT SECOND MEETING - THE 17TH. IT'S THE 17TH. CHARTER WORK SESSION? YEAH. I'D BE FINE WITH THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE. UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE TRAVEL PLANS. IT'S THE 17TH? YEAH. MM-HMM. . I'LL BE GONE THAT WEEK, BUT, UH, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE CAPABLE. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE A WORK SESSION FOR CHARTER? YEAH. I STILL WANT ONE IN NOVEMBER, BUT WE, THAT'LL BE ONE THAT WE'LL JUST PENCIL JUST FOR THAT. AND IF SOMEHOW, I DOUBT IT, SOMEHOW WE FINISH THE CHARTER BEFORE THEN, THEN THAT'S A OPEN DATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON. WE'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING THAT DAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULDN'T WANT IS YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT FIVE TO 10% WHEN I'M NOT HERE. SO MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE NOVEMBER ONE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I PROBABLY FEEL A LITTLE PASSIONATE ABOUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE IN CONSENSUS AGREE WITH THAT? MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM [IX.5 Discussion and possible action regarding the Unified Development Code (UDC) Subcommittee and potential resumption of meetings.] 95, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBCOMMITTEE AND POTENTIAL RESUMPTION OF MEETINGS. UH, THIS IS ONE I, UH, COUNCILOR VANESS HAD MENTIONED, BUT I ALSO BEEN WANTING TO BRING IT UP, UH, AFTER THE ELECTION. THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE STOPPED MEETING AFTER JORDAN LEFT, BUT AT THAT TIME THEY ALSO STOPPED MEETING BECAUSE WE FINALLY GOT ARTICLE FIVE AND NOBODY IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE AGREED WITH HOW IT WAS WRITTEN AND WHAT WAS IN IT AND THERE WERE FLAWS. AND WITHOUT JORDAN HERE, THERE, NONE OF THOSE FIXES COULD BE MADE. SO, UH, THE QUESTION WAS COME BACK TO COUNCIL. IS GOING FORWARD WITH THE UDC SOMETHING THAT YOU STILL WANT US TO DO? AND IF SO, THEN THE UDC NEEDS TO GET BACK TOGETHER AND, AND MEET, BUT THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO REVIEW AT THIS TIME. SO WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IS FRIESEN NICHOLS IS NOW IN THAT ROLE. AND IF YOU WANT THAT TO CONTINUE, THEN, UH, WE NEED TO GIVE PERMISSION TO WORK WITH FRIESEN NICHOLS. I HO - I THINK THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO JORDAN'S FILES, AND SO WHATEVER THE LATEST VERSION OF THAT ARTICLE FIVE IS, WE WOULD GIVE TO THEM AND SEE IF CORRECTIONS CAN BE MADE, THE DISCUSSION BOARD. I THINK SHE DID POST THE LAST ONE SHE WAS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AND I DO BELIEVE TWO OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS LEFT SOME COMMENTS. UH, I COULD ASK THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVISIT THOSE. AND, UH, I GUESS THE OTHER ONE, I WAS JUST GONNA GENERALLY ASK, UH, MR. PITINO, THAT IF YOU STILL, FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, IS IT A GOOD MOVE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO LOOK TOWARDS A UDC? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD ADVISE FOR THE CITY? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT FRIESEN NICHOLS PROVIDED AN OUTLINE, UH, KIND OF A GUI - A DIAGNOSTIC ANALYSIS OF YOUR CURRENT UDC. YEAH. SO, UM, I THINK THAT BASICALLY WILL TELL THE STORY IF YOU'RE NEEDING TO MOVE FORWARD [03:15:01] WITH THE ACTUAL REORGANIZATION OR, OR UPDATING THE UDC. UM, I MEAN, THE FIRST PART OF IT, WE CAN BE A QUICK HEAD NOD. COUN- COUNCIL STILL WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE UDC? YES. MR. PRINCE? UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK THE CONCEPT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE UDC IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD HAPPEN. UM, THE, THE TIMELINE OF DO WE WANT TO COVER IT WITH, YOU KNOW, SORRY, BUT AN EXPENSIVE CONTRACTOR OR WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, UH, IN THAT POSITION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE LATTER, NOT THE FORMER. UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE KIND OF GOTTEN INTO A POSITION WHERE WE SAID, "LET'S GET THIS UDC DONE POST-HASTE AND STOP MAKING CHANGES TO, UH, TO THE ORDINANCES." I THINK THERE'S A BACKLOG OF SOME ORDINANCES THAT KIND OF NEED TO BE CHANGED. SO MY SUGGESTION, MY PREFERRED DIRECTION WOULD BE KIND OF OPEN THE GATE TO TRICKLE OUT SOME OF THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES. IF IT'S TIME SENSITIVE, LET'S LET IT PROCEED. IF IT CAN BE DEFERRED, LET IT BE DEFERRED AND DO THE UDC, BUT NOT UNTIL THERE IS A PERMANENT PERSON IN PLACE, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES POSITION. OKAY. MS. SABARIA? UM, I WILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I, WE, AND I'LL BE GIVING THIS IN MY LI- LIAISON REPORT. THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT ON SOME OF THESE, UH, ORDINANCES THAT NEED REVISION. AND, UH, THEY, THEY REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THEIR HANDS HAVE BEEN TIED WITH THIS WHOLE UDC HOLDUP. UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. UM, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH CHAPTER THREE RIGHT NOW OF THEIR OWN CODE, UH, REWRITING, YOU KNOW, REORGANIZING AND, UM, CHANGING, CHANGING SOME INFORMATION. I'M SURE YOUR, FRANK, YOU IS GONNA BE BLOWING UP YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT PRETTY SOON, IF HE HASN'T ALREADY, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, UH, SO, UH, I AM REALLY HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL START ALLOWING THESE COMMISSIONS TO START COMING BACK TO US AND PRIORITIZING WHAT'S HIGH IMPORTANCE, UM, BECAUSE THEY, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY DO FEEL LIKE THE UDC, UH, BEING, KEEPS BEING PUSHED AWAY, UH, IS, IS HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE ON, ON WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE WASTE OF FRIESEN NICHOLS' TIME, UM, TO, TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE MUCH BIGGER WORK FOR THEM TO DO, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD GET A PERMANENT, UH, STAFF MEMBER IN THAT POSITION AND GO FORWARD. I KNOW THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMUNITY, UH, CONCERNS THAT THIS NEEDED TO GET DONE TAKING, OR, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, EVEN, UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTS WAS SAYING, "HEY, NOW THAT THIS IS, THE ELECTION'S OVER, LET'S GET THIS BALL BACK, YOU KNOW, IN THE COURT AND MOVE ON THE MOVE." BUT I THINK IT'S, UM, IT WOULD BE A MISUTILIZATION OF, UM, RESOURCES AT THIS TIME AND ESPECIALLY FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS, UM, TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. MS. VENIS? SO JUST GAMING IT OUT, IF WE'RE WAITING TILL WE HIRE IN A PERMANENT DIRECTOR, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE TIMELINE ON THAT. UM, HOW SOON AFTER THEY STARTED COULD THEY BEGIN TO JUMP INTO THIS PROJECT AND WORK WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE SUBCOMMITTEE AGAIN? 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS THIS, HOPEFULLY WE'RE DIGGING OUT OF THE BACKLOG WITH MR. PATINO'S HELP, BUT JUST TO, WHEN YOU THINK OF SOMEONE'S COMING ON BOARD AND WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE GONNA BE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A REASONABLE TIMELINE WHERE WE THINK WE CAN RE-INITIATE THE PROJECT. CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT QUESTION THOUGH, LIKE THIS, WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR Y'ALL TO DO IT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WILL IT BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT? 'CAUSE A PART OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TASKED WITH IS COME IN HERE, ASSESS OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE THE, THE INEFFICIENCIES THAT THERE ARE. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM JORDAN WAS THEY'RE ALL CENTERED AROUND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE HAVE BAD CONFLICTING ORDINANCES. THAT'S WHY WE PAUSED, UM, CHANGING ORDINANCES - NEW ORDINANCES, RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO CREATE THAT PROBLEM WHILE WE DO THAT. AND, UM, I GUESS ADDING THAT TO HER QUESTION. YEAH. I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR DAYS, FIVE DAYS, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, RESPECTFULLY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANNA BE VERY TRANSPARENT. UM, I'VE BEEN CITY ENGINEER IN THE PAST, SO I'VE BEEN IN THE GOVERNMENT SIDE, AND YOU GET PULLED IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS, AND THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING HERE. IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE BENCH THAT I HAVE FROM FRISLING NICHOLS RIGHT NOW WITH PLANNERS, WITH, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WITH OTHERS THAT ARE HELPING ME, LIKE, I WILL, I'VE ALREADY HAVE SIX PEOPLE ENGAGING IN FOUR DAYS TO TRY AND KEEP UP WITH THE REQUESTS THAT RON KEEPS SENDING ME ON A DAILY BASIS, IF IT'S WATER QUALITY, IF IT'S A FOOD, A FOOD VENDOR, IF IT'S A PLANNING ISSUE, IF IT'S MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YOU HIRING A PERMANENT DIRECTOR, THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE PULLED IN MULTIPLE, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME TO, TO, TO CONSOLIDATE AND GET THROUGH THAT [03:20:01] UDC IN, IN A, IN A QUICK TIME. UM, WHEN WE DO THIS WORK, WHEN WE DO UDCS, WE'RE DOING IT FOR PFLUGERVILLE, WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE CITY OF LIBERTY HERE RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST GONNA BALLPARK IT BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $250,000 FEE FOR A WHOLE UDC, UH, UH, UPDATE. I'VE DONE, UH, TWO ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUALS. UM, I'M CURRENTLY DOING A SECOND ONE, AND THAT FEE FOR THE ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A SMALLER, UH, MANUAL THAN A WHOLE CODE OF ORDINANCES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $275,000. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I DEVELOPED THOSE SCOPE AND FEES. AND THIS INCLUDES DIAGNOSTICS ANALYSIS, THIS INCLUDES STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, GETTING THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, OPEN HOUSES, GOING AND PRESENTING TO THE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE DYNASTY REPORT, DRAFTING IT IN DIFFERENT MODULES DEPENDING ON THE DIFFERENT, YEAH, CHAPTERS THAT YOU HAVE OR MODULES IF IT'S AN ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, BALLPARK FROM A, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU WOULD GET IT DONE IN A TIMEFRAME THAT WE COMMIT TO, UH, VERSUS, YEAH, YOU CAN HANDLE IT WITH STAFF, BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN ONE DIRECTOR TO DO THAT. UM, I'M, I'M, I'M LIVING IT RIGHT NOW. I'M, I'M, I'M LIVING PROOF IN FOUR DAYS OF THE DEMANDS THAT THIS POSITION HAS. SO IF WE WERE TO, UH, C- CONTRACT IT OUT TO GET IT DONE MORE SPEEDILY, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE DONE OR THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WOULD BE A NORMAL REASONABLE TIMEFRAME? ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR? OKAY. ONE YEAR WITH, WITH A, WITH A FULL STAFF ON FROM A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT DOING IT. MM-HMM. . SO WE HAD TARGETED, WE CHARTERED IN JANUARY AND SAID WE WERE GONNA GET IT DONE BY SEPTEMBER WITH OUR MAIN STAFF AND OUR SUBCOMMITTEE CONTRIBUTING IN. YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S UNREALISTIC. OKAY. . THAT'S THE CUSTOMERS, THE PHONE CALLS, THE COORDINATION, THE CATCHING UP ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDAS, THE BUILDINGS, UH, STANDARD COMMITTEE YESTERDAY, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETING NEXT MONDAY, THE PARKS AND RECREATIONS. UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT FOR ONE PERSON. AND THIS IS JUST ME WITHOUT EVEN GIVING A DOCUMENT TO CHIEF RON JOY. AM I OUT OF LINE RIGHT NOW, CHIEF? OKAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME WITH A FACE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO STOP OR NOT. . BUT I JUST WANNA BE CANDID, UH, AND I EVENTUALLY WILL GIVE YOU SOME SORT OF, NOT SOME SORT, I WILL GIVE YOU A MEMORIALIZED DOCUMENT OF THE FINDINGS THAT I'VE HAD IN FOUR DAYS. UM, AND, AND I MEAN, YOUR STAFF IS GREAT. EVERYBODY HAS WELCOMED ME AND HAS TREATED ME FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK I JUST, UM, I'M ASKING NOT THE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS MINDFUL OF THE EXPENSE, BUT IF THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR US AND WE'VE SAID WE NEED TO GET IT DONE AND WE'RE NOW ANOTHER YEAR BEHIND WHEN WE FIRST SAID WE WOULD DO IT IN CHARTERED, DO WE CONSIDER THIS AND, AND GET FRIES AND NICHOLS TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH THIS? SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA KEEP PUSHING IT OFF, PUSHING IT OFF AND HAVE AN UNSUCCESSFUL PROJECT. IT'S GONNA TAKE US FOREVER TO GET IT DONE. I, I CAN'T SAY THIS WITH CERTAINTY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE A, UH, AN EVALUATION, A DIAGNOSTIC ANALYSIS. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF THAT EFFORT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO IF THAT'S VALIDATED, IF THERE'S A ROADMAP ALREADY TO GO AND IMPLEMENT THAT, THAT CODE OF ORDINANCES OR UDC, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE FEE THAT I JUST TOLD YOU. MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU, AGAIN, AN ESTIMATE. HOPE LAURA - WELL, I THINK, UM, YEAH, JORDAN HAD CREATED A PROJECT PLAN BASED OFF THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC THAT FRIES NICHOL HAD ALREADY COMPLETED. CORRECT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY SHE'D MAPPED OUT HER PROJECT PLAN. I SAW IT YES - I, I S - I SAW IT ONE OF THESE DAYS. SOMEBODY GAVE ME THE COPY OF THE, THE CHAPTERS AND THE DIAGNOSTIC. UM, WE'RE ALSO HELPING RIGHT NOW WITH THE FEE SCHEDULE. APPARENTLY THAT'S ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN MAY AND THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES THERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT I'M, THAT I'M, THAT I'M WORKING ON. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT COULD BE COVERED UNDER THAT ONE. COUNCILOR? I, I, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THAT NUMBER SEEMED A LITTLE HIGH TO ME CONSIDERING Y'ALL HAD ALREADY DONE THE DIAGNOSTIC. CORRECT. I, I MISSED THAT PART. YEAH. UM, BUT I, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILOR VANESS. UM, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY BY NOT HAVING A, A VALID UDC, UM, THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, UM, BECAUSE BASICALLY WE CAN'T ENFORCE OUR CODES IF THEY'RE NOT CORRECT. UM, AND SO WE CAN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CONDEMN BUILDINGS. WE CAN'T, UM, IMPOSE FINES. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, PULLING PEOPLE OUT TO MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE THERE'S CONFLICTING DATA. UM, IT GOES AGAINST STATE LAW. SO WE'RE WASTING STAFF TIME, UH, LEGAL RESOURCES, UM, AND IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE WASTE AND EXPENDITURE. SO, UM, I'M ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS, I'M ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT, AGREEMENT AS WELL. UM, AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDIDNESS BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THIS POSITION WAS SIGNIFICANTLY A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THAN [03:25:01] PEOPLE MADE IT OUT TO BE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO YOU HAVE NO, UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE PERMANENTLY, SO YOU HAVE, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE, FEEL FREE TO BE CANDID AND, AND, UH, ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT YOU SUGARCOATING TO KNOW THIS, UH, WHEN WE ARE INTERVIEWING. WE NEED TO KNOW IF, WELL, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TRANS - UM, WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE TO, UH, A CANDIDATE IS TRUTHFUL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HIRE SOMEBODY, SUGARCOAT IT, AND THEN US LOSE ANOTHER, ANOTHER DIRECTOR WITHIN FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BURNED OUT. UM, AND, AND SO, UH, THIS INFORMATION IS VERY USEFUL. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT COMPLICATED IT FOR ME. . THAT WAS GONNA BE. NO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIG EXPENSE THAT POSSIBLY COMES WITH THAT, A LOT MORE TIME THAN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY THOUGH, AND SO I'M NOT EXACTLY POSITIVE ON THE DIRECTION TO GO WITH IT BEYOND, BUT WHAT I DO KIND OF AGREE WITH, WE DON'T WANNA DELAY IT TOO LONG, BUT ALSO WITH THE CHARTER AND STUFF THAT WE WANNA GET DONE AND THE STRATEGIC MEETINGS WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW. IS THIS SOMETHING WE SHOULD JUST BRING BACK? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION, UH, IS, UH, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DECI- DECIDING AT THIS POINT. UH, AND IF IT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO COME UP WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, REVISION IS, DO WE CONTINUE TO PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD, UH, WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, UH, VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND, AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE REALLY SAYING, "WELL, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES TO CLEAN SOME THINGS UP." UH, AND, UH, THOSE ARE PRIORITIES. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION. ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DECIDING TO DO? MS. SABRIO? I, I, I, I WANNA JUST CLARIFY. YOUR, YOUR TIMELINE WAS BASED OFF OF THE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMPTION THAT THIS DIAGNOSTIC HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE AND WORK HAD NOT STARTED. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING, UM, OF THIS, AND YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE... FRIES NICHOLS HAS ALREADY DONE THE DIAGNOSTIC, SO, I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT WOULD CUT THE TIMELINE FROM A YEAR, MAYBE DOWN TO SIX MONTHS TO NINE MONTHS, BUT - I WOULD SAY BETWEEN SIX TO 12 MONTHS - YEAH. IF THAT'S THE CASE TO JUST GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE GRACE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T REALLY, UH, SPOKEN TO LAURA SPECIFICALLY, LIKE, THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAILS. BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT DIAGNOSTIC REPORT, THAT NEXT PHASE IS PROBABLY SIX MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, "WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE ALREADY ALREADY DONE THIS, WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL THIS WORK DONE BY THE UDC, UH, PREVIOUSLY." COMMENT. UM - OH YEAH, MR. ROBERTS IS GONNA HAVE A COMMENT. LET ME JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE AND THEN MR. ROBERTS WILL HAVE SOME GOOD COMMENTS, I'M SURE. UM, UH, UH, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS GIVING STAFF DIRECTION TO HAVE FRIES AND NICHOLS ACTUALLY REALLY ASSESS THIS CURRENT STATE OF THE UDC WORK WHERE JORDAN HAD TAKEN IT, WHERE THE COMMITTEE HAD DONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THEN PROVIDE A SCOPE OF, YOU KNOW, WORK OF TIMELINE TO COMPLETE IT AND, UH, UH, COST TO COMPLETE IT SO YOU CAN HAVE REAL NUMBERS RATHER THAN OFF THE CUFF BASED ON PARTIAL DATA THAT, THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT. UH, I'M GONNA ASSIST THE COMMENTS. UH, MR. PAUL ROBERTS. HEY, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. UM, MAY I SUGGEST, UH, DIRECTING, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR TO LOOK AT THE DISCUSSION BOARD AND WHERE WE LEFT OFF? ON THERE IS THE MOST RECENT WORK PRODUCT WITH FEEDBACK FROM, UM, OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SUCH AS MYS - INCLUDING MYSELF. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE YOU GUYS SOME FEEDBACK, UM, KIND OF FILL IN THE BLANK ON WHAT HE THINKS. WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET THIS FINISHED? I DON'T... IF, IF YOU GUYS, FOR EXAMPLE, SAID, "HEY, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS AS A UDC, UH, MEET IN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THAT WOULD GIVE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR TIME TO LOOK AT THE DISCUSSION BOARD, CATCH UP ON WHERE WE LEFT OFF, AND THEN HE CAN COME TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UM, INFORMED, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND, AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE." YOU KNOW, REMEMBER BACK TO THE CHARTER, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE UDC, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE UDC WAS TO IDENTIFY, UM, INCONSISTENCIES AND CROSSOVER BETWEEN THE VARIOUS CHAPTERS OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES AND TO ENSURE THAT THE ORDINANCES ALIGN WITH STATE STATUTE, AND THAT'S REALLY IT. SO IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE INCONSISTENCIES ARE, IDENTIFYING, UM, WHERE THEY DON'T ALIGN WITH STATE STATUTE, THAT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE CORRECTION. AND FRANKLY, WITH THE LATEST ITERATIONS OF AI THAT CONTINUE TO IMPROVE EVERY SINGLE, EVERY QUARTER, IT SEEMS, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS AN INSURMOUNTABLE, UH, TASK THAT WE CAN'T GET DONE. EVEN IN THIS CALENDAR [03:30:01] YEAR. UM, BUT AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, THAT WE AS A SUBCOMMITTEE HAVE A MEETING PERHAPS, UH, BY THE END OF NOVEMBER. UM, AND THAT WOULD AFFORD THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR TIME TO LOOK AT WHERE WE LEFT OFF. AND THEN WE CAN MEET AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOURSELF, MAYOR SOM AND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CHAVARRIA WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE THAT CAN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD DECIDE TO GO FROM, FROM THERE. THANK YOU. THOUGHTS? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT CLEAR? ALL RIGHT. [IX.2 Discussion regarding the use of fireworks, including consideration of potential amendments, restrictions, and enforcement provisions. ] THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 92, DISCUSSION REGARDING THE USE OF FIREWORKS, INCLUDING CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, RESTRICTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS. I HAVE CHIEF JOANNE. SO WE, UH, FOUND OUT ACTUALLY RIGHT AT JULY 4TH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I GOT IT. WE FOUND OUT ACTUALLY RIGHT AT JULY 4TH THAT THE ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITED FIREWORKS IN THE CITY, UH, HAD BEEN REMOVED AT SOME POINT. SO, UM, WE HAVE STATE LAWS THAT GOVERN FIREWORKS. WE HAVE SOME, SOME FIRE SAFETY RULES THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ENFORCE, BUT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS THAT YOU CAN'T POSSESS OR USE FIREWORKS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS NEEDS TO BE, UM, NEED TO BE ADDED BACK. UM, WE PRESENTED THE ORDINANCE TO BRAD'S LEGAL TEAM. I THINK CHRISTINA'S THE ONE WHO REVIEWED IT. AND, UM, SHE GOT BACK WITH US ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK THAT SHE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE TIME. SHE DOESN'T SEE ANYTHING BLATANTLY WRONG WITH IT, BUT SHE'D LIKE TO COMPARE IT TO WITH SOME OTHER CITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. THE, THE TIMEFRAME ON THIS IS NEXT TIME WE'LL HAVE FIREWORKS HERE IS NEW YEAR'S EVE, SO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS. SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T, I, I THINK THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PROVIDED LEGAL IS NOT COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF IT YET. MM-HMM. SO WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. ALL RIGHT. NO ONE HAS ANY COMMENTS. ANY CITIZENS WANNA SPEAK ON THAT ONE? OKAY. THAT I'M GONNA MOVE ON. ITEM [IX.6 Discussion regarding the release of an easement at Dawn Park.] 96. I THINK WE DISCUSSED, WE MAY HAVE ALREADY COVERED EVERYTHING IN EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RELEASE OF AN EASEMENT AT PARK. ARE WE GOOD TO... I KNOW. OKAY. AND THAT LEAVES 9-7. [IX.7 Discussion regarding the City's purchasing, procurement, and contracting policies and procedures, including ethical contracting standards, vendor integrity and accountability, contract preparation and execution, document security and version control, disclosure and approval of proposed contract modifications, verification of executed agreements, enforcement provisions, and potential amendments to existing policies or adoption of an ordinance establishing uniform contracting safeguards for the City of Lago Vista. ] DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY'S PURCHASING PROCUREMENT AND CONTRACTING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, INCLUDING ETHICAL CONTRACTING STANDARDS, VENDOR INTEGRITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, CONTRACT PREPARATION, EXECUTION, DOCUMENT SECURITY, INVERSION CONTROL, DISCLOSURE AND APPROVAL OF PROPOSED CONTRACT MODIFICATIONS, VERIFICATION OF EXECUTED AGREEMENTS, ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING POLICIES OR ADOPTION OF, UH, ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING UNIFORM CONTRACTING SAFEGUARDS FOR THE CITY OF LAGO VISTA. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I ASKED TO BRING UP IN LIGHT OF THE CONTRACTING THAT RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. UH, MY ONLY ASK TO BRING THIS UP IS ACTUALLY TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE CURRENT PURCHASING AND PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT STATES WHAT VERSION OF A CONTRACT WE GIVE TO SOMEONE WHO'S SIGNING IT. SO THE EXAMPLE IS WITH THE CHAMBER, THE MISTAKE THAT WE MADE, WE GAVE THEM A WORD DOCUMENT. AND SO THEY CAN EDIT AND CHANGE THAT WORD DOCUMENT, WHICH HAPPENED. THE CHAMBER, UH, EDITED MULTIPLE SUBSTANTIVE SECTIONS OF THE CHAM - OF THE AGREEMENT, SENT IT BACK TO US SIGNED AS IF NOTHING HAD BEEN CHANGED AND DIDN'T NOTE TO US THAT ANYTHING HAD BEEN ALTERED IN IT. AND THAT WAS ON BOTH OF US. AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE PROTECTIONS FOR THAT. SO ONE SHOULD BE... AND IT COULD BE IN THERE. I'M JUST ASKING FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE PROTOCOLS THAT ONE, WHAT WE SEND OUT, UH, SHOULD BE UNEDIBLE. SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE WORD. I DON'T EVEN THINK PDFS. I THINK WE SHOULD, IF WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE LIKE A DOCUSIGN, ERIC, I SEE NOT, DO WE HAVE DOCUSIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO WE HAVE A FREE - IF YOU COME TO THE MIC. AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROVISIONS THAT YOU SEND THEM A DOCUMENT, IT IS UNEDIBLE. YOU EITHER SIGN IT IN THE DOCUMENT AND THAT'S IT. SO WE- WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE CITY'S NOT ANYTHING, ANY ISSUE. SO WE HAVE A FREE VERSION OF DOCUSIGN WHERE, UM, YOU CAN SEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTS AND THEN IT CAPS OUT. UM, BUT I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT OUR MUNICIPAL COURT HAS BEEN SENDING A PDF, UH, DOCU - OR DOCUSIGN THROUGH PDF, WHICH IF YOU HAVE PDF PRO LIKE ME AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE RON OR ANYBODY ELSE, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT DIGITALLY FOR FREE. OKAY. OR WITH THAT SUBSCRIPTION. I JUST THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT. ALL I'M ASKING AGAIN IS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND ANALYZE AND COME BACK TO US AT SOME POINT AND SAY WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. OKAY. AND THE OTHER REASON I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IS ON THE SIGNATORY SIDE, WHO WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH MATTERS. WE'RE STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE SHOULD ONLY BE CONTRACTING WITH PEOPLE WHO OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH AND IN GOOD ETHICS. AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR CONTRACTS, AND THIS WILL PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT I'M ASKING STAFF REVIEW, BUT THEN IF IT'S MISSING, GO TO LEGAL. WE SHOULD HAVE A SECTION ON ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS [03:35:01] ABOUT, UH, VENDOR INTEGRITY AND ETHICAL STANDARDS. IT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHING UNIFORM EXPECTATIONS FOR HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY, ACCURATE REPRESENTATIONS AND GOOD FAITH CONDUCT BY PARTIES CONTRACTING WITH THE CITY. IF THEY'RE FOUND TO BE NOT ACCOUNTABLE AND ENFORCING THAT, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER OUT IN THE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE. I THINK IF WE HAVE BAD VENDORS WHO ARE TRYING TO, UH, TRICK THE CITY OR CHANGE THINGS, THEN THAT SHOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THE CITY TO OPT OUT. BUT MY ASK IS REVIEW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT ALREADY IN OUR PURCHASING PROTOCOLS AND OUR CONTRACTS. AND IF NOT, ASK BRAD IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE AND, AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE. MS. CHAVARRIA. UH, ERIC, I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, UH, IN REGARDS TO YOUR ADOBE PDF PRO, UH, STATEMENT. UH, I HAVE ADOBE PDF PRO AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I, I, I'VE BEEN DOING SOME LAND ACQUISITIONS AND DEED TRANSFERS AND RUN ACROSS SOME OF THESE SIMILAR ISSUES HERE RECENTLY WHERE EVEN WITH THAT, WHERE IT'S A DOCUSIGN SITUATION WITH, UH, WPDF PRO, IF YOU SAVE THAT AND SAVE IT UNDER A DIFFERENT FILE NAME AND STILL KEEP IT, UH, YOU CAN CHANGE IT FROM JUST BEING VIEWABLE, UNEDITABLE TO BEING VIEWABLE AND EDITABLE. UM, THAT IS A SECURITY WORKAROUND THAT I'VE RUN INTO MYSELF AND, AND LUCKILY I CAUGHT SOME, SOME VERY EGREGIOUS ERROR CHANGES, UM, IN TIME BEFORE, UH, IT GOT ME INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE. UM, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT, UM, USING ADOBE BECAUSE YOU CAN PRINT THAT OUT, SCAN IT AND TURN IT BACK INTO A PDF DOCUMENT AND THEN TURN IT INTO, ENTER A FIELD, CHANGE IT INTO A SIGNATORY LINE AND THEN TRANSMIT IT BACK AS IF IT WAS NEVER EDITED IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME. UM, I, I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE US TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN AND POSSIBLY EVEN PURCHASE A LICENSE FOR DOCUSIGN. UM, THAT WAY IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS AN EMAIL AS SOON AS THAT SIGNATURE IS SENT, UM, AND, AND CAUSES, UH, US TO, YOU KNOW, RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. AND THEN IT HAS A DIGITAL, UH, FOOTPRINT AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. UM, ADOBE IS JUST TOO EASY TO WORK AROUND WITH AI. SO ACTUALLY WHEN DOING IT WITH THE, UH, CHAMBER, WE, THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME. AND ACTUALLY YOU CAN LOCK DOWN, UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN THERE WHEN YOU DO IT THROUGH A SIGNING AUTHORITY. SO YOU HAVE TO SEND FILE SAVE AS A SIGNATURE ONLY AND THEN YOU CAN EDIT THE DOCUMENT ON WHAT THEY CAN EDIT AND WHAT THEY CAN'T EDIT. AND IF THEY SEND YOU ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT DOCUMENT, IT NOTIFIES YOU VIA EMAIL THAT THIS WAS CHANGED, THIS WAS EDITED IN A WAY THAT WASN'T... AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T SEND YOU THE EXACT COPY, IT ALSO NOTIFIES YOU THAT THIS WASN'T SIGNED. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM THAT, THAT I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT. IT'S FREE. YEAH. SO JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UM, THEY CHANGED THE FILE NAME BY ONE NUMBER. SO IT WAS DASH ONE AND IT WAS ENOUGH THAT ADOBE DIDN'T PICK IT UP. UM, SO WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS, UM, THEY HAD EVI - OBVIOUSLY SCANNED IT BACK IN AND THEN ENTERED IN THEIR OWN FIELD AND, AND SENT IT BACK TO ME, UM, AND, AND KEPT THE SAME FILE NAME WITH JUST A DASH. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT, THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T GET THE, MAYBE IT WENT TO MY SPAM FOLDER, BUT, UM, I JUST REALLY DO NOT, UH, CARE FOR, FOR ADOBE BECAUSE IT IS SO EDITABLE. UM, AND I JUST WISH THAT WE HAD MAYBE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFEGUARDS ON THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND STAFF IS OKAY, AND AS LONG AS WE PUT THAT LITTLE SNIPPET IN EVERY CONTRACT FOR INTEGRITY, UM, FOR ALTERING, CHANGING, MODIFYING ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. MAYOR PROTEM. SO YOU STARTED SOMETHING HERE, MAYOR. UH, YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. SO LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY, I HEARD THAT WE HAD A PRIMARY VENDOR THAT DID NOT PAY THE SUBS. AND SO I STARTED LOOKING AT, OKAY, WELL, UH, AGAIN, THIS THIRD HAND OR WHATEVER, BUT I WAS LIKE, "WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PROTOCOL TO FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STUFF IS DONE?" GUESS WHAT? OUR POLICY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBS AND HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PAID, ET CETERA. UH, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, CHATGPT, AS IT IS, LOOK AT THE PROCUREMENT STATUTES THAT ARE ON OUR PROCUREMENT PAGE AND YOU RUN THAT AGAINST OUR POLICY AND THERE'S 20 ITEMS IN THERE THAT IT SAYS THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP TO DATE OR CHANGE, UH, BECAUSE OF JUST CHANGES IN LAW AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I, I DON'T WANNA CREATE A REALLY LONG SCOPE HERE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT, UH, WE DEFINITELY NEED, UH, SOME UPDATING ON THIS. UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AMENABLE TO, UM, [03:40:01] BASICALLY EXPANDING THIS TO SAYING THAT, UM, AT, LET'S SAY, OVER THIS FIRST QUARTER, ONCE WE GET PAST CHARTER, THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, LOOK AT THESE ITEMS. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE LITTLE THING THAT GOES THROUGH IT. MY BIG MOTIVATION FOR THIS IS THAT IF WE ARE MISSING THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS, ONE, UM, BEING A SUB UNDERNEATH OUR CONTRACTORS, AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING PAID, THAT'S A PERSONAL CONCERN TO ME. SO, UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY IF I DON'T, IF IT'S OKAY, RON, MAY I ASK, I MEAN, YOU LET ME KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING, UH, IN THE STATE POLICIES THAT WAS ASSURED IN TERMS OF THEIR POLICIES AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IT REQUIRES IN THE, AT LEAST IN THE PRIVATE SECURITY REGULATION IS THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SUBCONTRACTING IN THE PRIVATE SECURITY INDUSTRY IS THAT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE GET PAID AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, LICENSED ENTITIES IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, IF YOU SUBCONTRACT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE PERSON WHO YOU ORIGINALLY CONTRACTED WITH, WHO ALL OF YOUR SUBCONTRACTORS ARE. AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AS A NEW COUNCIL GETS SWORN IN, I BRING UP ALL, WE BRING UP USUALLY ANYWAY, ALL THESE PROCESSES AND POLICIES AGAIN. SO WE'LL GO BACK OVER RULES OF PROCEDURE. UM, WE'LL BRING PURCHASING POLICY BACK UP. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO SINCE THIS IS ALREADY BROUGHT UP TONIGHT IS ASK STAFF TO START SOME OF THAT REVIEW AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH BRAD AND, AND WHEN WE BRING IT BACK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL ALREADY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM THAT WE CAN WORK FROM. SO YEAH, SHARE WHATEVER YOU HAVE WITH STAFF. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND, UH, AS I SAID, MY APOLOGIES, WAS GONNA ADD SOME WORK TO YOU, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. I AGREE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT, UH, I'LL READ IN [Item X & XI] ITEM 10, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 11, STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. A, ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY STAFF. AND B, ROUTINE REPORTS FROM CITY COUNCIL BOARD COMMISSION COMMITTEE LIAISONS. AND I'LL START DOWN WITH MR. HALL. UH, NOTHING, UH, TO REPORT OTHER THAN WHAT WAS, UH, UH, PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, UH, UH, AS PART OF THE AGENDA. UH, OUR, THE, UH, GOLF COURSE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, SPENT SOME TIME, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE PIPELINE ISSUE AND, UH, THAT'S BEEN COVERED TONIGHT. MR. BENEFIELD? NO, SIR. JUST WANT TO, UH, TELL MR. PRINCE, THANK YOU. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. I MEAN, I KNOW A CERTIFICATE FOR SIX YEARS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT, UH, IT MEANS A LOT. MR. AVARILLO? I'M SORRY. UH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. I'M GOING TO POST ALL OF THIS ONTO THE DISCUSSION BOARD, UH, ESPECIALLY CONCERNING THE BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS REPORT THAT I'M ABOUT TO GIVE. I'VE GOT FOUR PAGES OF LIAISON REPORTS. I WILL POST THEM ONTO THE DISCUSSION BOARD. SO I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS. UM, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING I HAD TALKED ABOUT KEEP LAGO VISTA BEUTIFUL AND THE GOVERNOR, UM, AWARD THAT WE HAD BEEN AWARDED. I ASKED THAT IT BE PUT ON, UM, SO WE COULD DO A PROCLAMATION. I THINK SOMEHOW I, I JUST KIND OF DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS WITH ROBIN AND SHANE. UM, SO I'M ASKING THAT WE HAVE THIS ADDED BACK ON FOR OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND I CAN GET THE LANGUAGE OVER TO YOU, UH, AS WELL FOR THAT. AND I'LL CLEAR IT UP WITH JANICE AND DAWN. UM, BUT IT'S, UH, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S THE GOVERNOR'S COMMUNITY ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION FOR THAT. UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO PUT A LOT OF THIS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD, SO I'M SORRY. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW ON THIS. UH, LAGO VISTA WOMEN'S CLUB, UM, THEY'RE HAVING THEIR RAFFLE TICKETS. THIS IS THEIR BIG MONEY WINNER FOR ALL OF THEIR SCHOLARSHIPS. UH, YOU HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER 10TH TO PURCHASE THEM. I HAVE 10 AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. THEY'RE 10 DOLLARS A PIECE. UM, UH, AND SO THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF WONDERFUL THINGS IF YOU WANT TO CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE, UH, FOR THAT. UM, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, UH, MET ON THE 26TH, THEY ARE DOING THEIR, UH, MASTER PLAN FOR BASICALLY THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 2027. THERE'S BEEN SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THEIR LONG RANGE PLAN TO HAVE IT GO INTO THE SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE NEWLY APPOINTED MEMBERS. THEY WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE ENOUGH TIME, UH, TO GET ACCLIMATED AND ALSO TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MARLENA PUA AND MARK THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORKING, UM, A LITTLE BIT HARDER IN LOOKING FOR GRANTS FOR OUR [03:45:01] EL - ES- ESL PROGRAMS. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY EXPLORED, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY, UH, TAKE OFF THE GROUND AS WELL AS THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED. UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HESITATION FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN PERSON FOR THESE CLASSES, UH, AND RIGHTLY SO. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATE METHODS OF DISSEMINATING THIS INFORMATION POSSIBLY WITH REMOTE SESSIONS. UM, WE KNOW THAT THE HOPE CENTER IS DOING THIS AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, BROADEN IT OUT TO WHERE IT'S, UM, KIND OF HITS, HITS ALL GROUPS, NOT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ETHNICITIES, UM, AND ALL FAITHS, UH, AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIVERSE IN THAT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST FOCUSING ON ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN, IT IS ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST FOR SPANISH SPEAKERS. WE HAVE A LOT OF UKRAINIAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF RUSSIAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, INDIAN, UH, SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGES HERE, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY WANTING TO BROADEN THIS OUT FOR EVERYONE. SO THEY'RE DOING SOME GOOD WORK THERE. UM, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH, I BELIEVE THE EDC, UH, OR, OR I THINK MARLENA HAD TALKED ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THEM FOR SOME POSSIBLE, UH, GRANT HELP. SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, UH, ABOUT UDC. THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED. UH, WE'RE WORKING ON CHAPTER THREE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW KIND OF A DIRECTION AS TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME COUNCIL GUIDANCE. UM, WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO MEAN TO HARP ON YOU, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE IN, UM, FROM FRIES AND NICHOLS WHEN, WHEN THEY'VE NOT BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK PRODUCT, UH, FOR FREESEN NICHOLS PREVIOUSLY. SO THERE'S CONCERN THERE THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER HOLD POSITION FOR THEM. UM, THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, CONTINUE WORKING ON CHAPTER, UM, THREE AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL. THERE'S ALSO, UM, SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN CONTINUING THE WORK WITH DWAYNE ON, UH, MOVING FORWARD ON CONDEMNATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FUNDED RIGHT NOW. THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START GOING AFTER LOW HANGING FRUIT, UM, THAT THEY FEEL LIKE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT AS EXPENSIVE TO HANDLE, UM, BUT COULD BE A, UH, SIGNIFICANT HEALTH BENEFIT FOR THE CITY, UH, MEANING THAT THERE'S SOME SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, AND WE JUST HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD ON. BUT THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT AND, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR JUST SOME GUIDANCE FROM US AND IT POSSIBLY IS GONNA INVOLVE BRAD. SO I JUST WANT, I'LL POST THIS ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD TO SEE HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT IT. UM, BECAUSE I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED THIS, ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONDEMNING AND ONCE WE GET CODE ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED AND WE ACTUALLY START BRINGING THEM THROUGH THE MISCOURT PROCESS, WE HAVE A VERY NARROW WINDOW OF TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. AND - MY ONE FEEDBACK ON THAT, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL IS, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING INTO THESE TWO STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETINGS AS A COUNCIL WHERE WE ARE DECIDING TO NARROW THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSED ON FOR THE COMING YEAR. MM-HMM. . AND IDEALLY IT'S GONNA BE TOP THREE THINGS. SO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO BE TOLD THAT AND KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL'S AGREED ARE THE TOP PRIORITIES. IF YOU'RE PASSING ORDINANCES THAT ARE NOT IN THOSE, UM, IT, IT MAY BE DELAYED. YEAH. UH, NOT AS MUCH AS MAYBE IF WE DECIDE NOT TO HOLD OFF FOR A UDC, IT CAN STILL COME UP, BUT IF WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE FULL OF THOSE TOP THREE PRIORITIES, THEN THEIR ORDINANCES WON'T MAKE IT ON THIS. AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE AGREED TO, BUT WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THE STRATEGIC MEETING. AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE WERE GONNA BE HAVING STRATEGIC SESSIONS. UH, THEY JUST BASICALLY ARE LOOKING FOR SOME COUNCIL FEEDBACK FOR THEIR DECEMBER MEETING AGAIN IN JANUARY. UM, I, I, I'VE ASKED THEM TO BRING DWAYNE BACK IN FOR JANUARY MEETING WITH HIS TOP, UM, TOP, TOP 10, BUT THEN THE, THE, THE MAIN FIVE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITY. UM, AND THEN JUST KIND OF MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL AS TO, ON THAT. BUT THEY WERE JUST BASICALLY WANTING TO MOVE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD. THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE. UH, THERE'S, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING, CONTINUING THEIR WORK AND THEY DO NOT FEEL LIKE THE, THEY'RE GETTING THE SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY WOULD LIKE. Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO READ ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. AREN'T YOU GLAD, PAUL, THAT YOU GET A, A VACATION FROM THIS? UM, SO I DID PUT THE B OF A, UM, UH, INFORMATION ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. I, I'M SIMPLY GONNA SAY THIS IN TERMS OF ALSO, UH, A, UM, CONTINUING DISCUSSION FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE REQUESTS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR [03:50:01] HEIGHT VARIANCES. UM, SO REALLY THE FOLLOW UP THERE, AND I'M JUST READING IT OUT HERE FOR THE RECORD JUST, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR, IS THAT, UH, THERE IS A NEED FOR GREATER CLARITY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND PUBLIC FACING MATERIALS REGARDING VARIANCES, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, APPROVAL STANDARDS, SITE VISIT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WAS THE KEY THIS LAST TIME, AND THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED FOR HEIGHT EXCEPTION CASES. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AS, AS ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND IT'S ON THE DISCUSSION BOARD. THANK YOU. ALL I HAVE IS, UH, NOVEMBER 13TH IS, UH, THE FIRST STRATEGIC MEETING. IT'S AT THE NORTH LAKE CHURCH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO DON'T COME HERE, GO TO THERE. UM, NOVEMBER 16TH, WE'RE CANVASING THE VOTES THAT IS HERE. UM, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, THERE'S AN EVENT FOR THE MEMBERS OVER AT THE LIBRARY. AND THEN NOVEMBER 17TH IS THE SECOND STRATEGIC MEETING ALSO UP AT THE NORTH LAKE CHURCH. AND THEN, UH, YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18TH AT 6:15 PM HERE IN CHAMBERS. COUNCILOR PANOS? NO UPDATE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN PAUL PRINCE. YEAH. SO, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION IS NOT MEETING IN NOVEMBER. SO ONE WEEK FROM TONIGHT WOULD BE THE MEETING IF THERE WAS ONE, BUT NO MEETING IN NOVEMBER. THERE IS A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER. UH, SO YOU ALL WILL, UH, AT THAT, BY THAT TIME, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH THE, WHO THE LIAISONS FOR ALL THE COMMITTEES WILL BE. SO THAT SHOULD BE FINE. UM, I'LL POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE, UH, THREE OF THE SEVEN POSITIONS. THE CHAIR IS, THE PERSON WHO HAD BEEN THE CHAIR IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. THERE ARE TWO OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE TERM ENDS IN DECEMBER. SO THE DECEMBER MEETING WILL BE THE CURRENT, UH, LIST OF SIX MEMBERS WHO, UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR SOME TIME. AND THEN, UH, FOR JANUARY, THERE'LL BE THREE SEATS NEEDING TO BE FILLED, UH, UM, GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR, FOR MY, UH, LIAISON SIDE. UM, AND THEN FROM COMMUNITY INTEREST, UM, I'M SURE IT'S TRUE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT I'M, I'M TIGHTLY COUPLED IN WITH ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH, AND THE FOOD PANTRY CONTINUES TO JUST EXPLODE IN DEMAND USAGE. UM, AND SO I WOULD, UH, INVITE ANYONE WHO HAS INTEREST IN THAT, THAT, UH, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DONATE TO THE ROLLING HILLS COMMUNITY CHURCH FOOD PANTRY. IT'S A DEDICATED FUND, UH, THAT IS USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A WORTHY CAUSE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. AND I SUSPECT THAT ST. MARY'S AND THE HOPE CENTER WOULD, UH, WOULD GIVE THE SAME PLEA, THAT THE DEMAND IS DEFINITELY UP, AND SO IT'S TIME FOR THOSE WHO CAN, UH, CAN HELP TO STEP UP TO DO SO. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WHEN, UM, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THAT. MY, MY BIGGEST SURPRISE AFTER I MET WITH THE CHURCHES WAS HOW MUCH USAGE ALL THESE FOOD PANTRIES ARE GETTING, AND THIS TIME OF YEAR, IT'S INCREASED A LOT. AND SO I DID ASK JENNIFER, AS WE DO CITY EVENTS, TO GET WITH THE CHURCHES SO THAT WE CAN HELP HIGHLIGHT ALL THESE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND SHE AGREED TO DO THAT. AND SINCE YOU BRING THAT UP, I WOULD ASK, CAN WE, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T PUSH THESE THINGS OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL? I MEAN, THESE ARE COMMUNITY THING. WE HAVE A WEBSITE FOR IT. IF YOU THINK THE CHURCH, ROLLING HILLS AND OTHER CHURCHES WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ASK AMANDA TO DO IS, ESPECIALLY THROUGHOUT THE HOLIDAY SEASON. UM, THERE'S A HUGE FOOD SHORTAGE. AND ALSO BLUE SANTA TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. BLUE SANTA, LIKE JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO GET DONATIONS. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SO THAT I WOULD ASK, UH, IF YOU PASS THIS DOWN WITH MR. PRINCE, UH, CALL THE TIME AND GAVE US OUT. OH, SORRY, SORRY. WE GOT, BEFORE THAT, UH, DEPARTMENT UPDATES. UM, YESTERDAY, THE FOURTH, UH, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS WORKSHOP WAS HELD. UH, I GOT TO ATTEND ALMOST ALL THOSE EXCEPT THE ONES YESTERDAY, AND THEY WERE, UM, I THINK THEY WERE VERY VALUABLE, UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. UH, THANK YOU TO, UH, JENNIFER AND AMANDA AND, AND ERIC ZENO FOR PULLING THAT OFF. UM, YESTERDAY WE ALSO SWORE IN A NEW POLICE OFFICER, JAMES NEELY, UH, RETURNED TO THE LAGO VISTA POLICE DEPARTMENT. HE HAD BEEN WITH US BEFORE AND CAME BACK. UM, VERY GLAD TO HAVE HIM. AND THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE HE TOOK THE, ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT Y'ALL APPROVED IN OUR NEW BUDGET. HE'S OUR NEW ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER. UM, AND THEN, UH, SEVERAL WASTEWATER, SEVERAL PUBLIC WORKS ISSUES. UH, Y'ALL SAW THE, UM, UPDATES THAT WERE GIVEN TO YOU, UH, THIS WEEK IN REFERENCE TO THE LIFT STATION REPAIRS. THEY WERE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THIS MORNING ABOUT 2:00 AM. THEY LEFT, WENT HOME. UM, THE, UH, STAGE FIVE WATER RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN ADVERTISING THIS, THIS MONTH, UH, THEY START ACTUALLY THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING, SO IN PREPAR- PREPARATION FOR THOSE, UH, UH, STRATA, UH, TRIDENT REPAIRS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT WATER PLANT THREE THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING. UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST AN UPDATE ON, UH, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S BIG CONCERNS IS, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT ON REPAVING OUR ROADS? AND SO THERE [03:55:01] WAS, UH, ALMOST 250 ROADS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT. THEY'VE EVALUATED 205 OF THOSE ROADS, SO THEY'RE ALMOST FINISHED WITH THAT PROJECT IN ORDER TO START, UM, PHASE THREE, UH, REPAVING ISSUES. YES, SIR. ON THOSE REPAVING ROADS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, GREG AT THE, UH, GOLF COURSE TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS HOW POOR THEIR PARKING LOT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD FIT IN THE PRIORITY OF PAVING. IT'S OBVIOUSLY ASPHALT. UM, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE WORTH ASKING STAFF TO SEE IF THAT IS A PRIORITY, BUT, UM, THEY FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF THE TREE ROOTS AND ACCESS, IT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. YEAH, IT IS IN HORRIBLE CONDITION, AND I TALKED TO CHARLES ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE LEFT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CHARLES WAS IT WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE PART OF THE IRRIGATION PROJECT, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER. BUT WHEN I VISITED WITH VICTOR ABOUT THAT, HE SAID THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO I'LL, I'LL GET STAFF TO RE-LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, JUST IF IT, IF IT MAKES ONE OF THE PHASE CUTS, THEN I'M SURE THEY WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT'S IN - IT IS TERRIBLE. IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. YEAH, IT IS. I AGREE. THANK YOU, MR. PRINCE, FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR US. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, AT, UH, 8:12, I, UH, GAVE ALL THIS MEETING CLOSED. THANK YOU ALL. GOOD JOB. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.